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Are you lonesome tonight? 
Do you miss me tonight? 

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Are you sorry we drifted apart? 
Does your? 

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Hey, guys. 
Hi guys. 

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Welcome back to significant 
lovers. 

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We are Kel and Mel. 
Mmhmm. 2 cousins. 

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Kel. 
We're cousins. 

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I'm Kel and I'm Mel. 
You guys, this is our first 

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episode of season 2. 
Which Season 2? 

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I guess it's a new school year. 
Yeah, September. 

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This will be out in September 
and second year of Significant 

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Lovers University and it's our 
50th episode. 

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Yeah, I can't believe it. 
That's a lot. 

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A lot of hours. 
It is a lot although. 

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My sister said we shouldn't 
count the bonus episodes. 

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She said that. 
Yeah. 

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Which one? 
Caitlin. 

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Shannon. 
Oh, why so if you don't. 

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Count them 25. 
But you know what? 

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No, because we put in work into 
every single 1. 

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So it's 50 episodes. 
The bonus ones are, for the most

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part, just as much work. 
Yeah, yeah, they are. 

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She's just not a subscriber, so 
OK. 

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But yeah, this is our 50th 
episode. 

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Wow. 
I was thinking, Mel, I told you 

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I wanted to do this. 
Since this is a celebratory 

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episode, I was thinking at the 
end of the episode we could read

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through the rejected ideas we 
had for our podcast name. 

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Yes, I love that. 
Because it will be a laugh. 

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A lot of silly ideas. 
It took us a while to come up 

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with the name, if you can 
believe it. 

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Was one of, Yeah, it was one of 
the hardest things about 

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launching this podcast was just 
deciding the name. 

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We were really close to some 
other ones, really close. 

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Now it seemed kind of stupid, 
but Kel, who are we covering 

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today? 
Oh yes, yes. 

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So first first start of Season 
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It just so happens to be my turn
because Mel went last time and 

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so today we are covering. 
Paul and Linda McCartney. 

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Paul McCartney from The Beatles 
and Linda. 

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She was a photographer and was 
in wings with him and this is 

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our second Beatles member to be 
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We also covered John Lennon and 
Yoko Ono back last year, if you 

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want to listen to that episode, 
I think. 

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That was episode 3, right? 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, so John will come up. 
John and Yoko will come up in 

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this episode, but. 
If you want more of them, scroll

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back. 
It's a free episode. 

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I am a huge Beatles fan, as you 
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Paula, Linda for a long time. 
But I kept putting it off 

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because it was just so special 
to me and I just felt like I 

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needed to wait for the right 
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And this felt like the right 
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I was just, I I didn't know if I
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sometimes on our show, like 
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the release of our episodes. 
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McCartney thing could happen? 
Like, when this comes out, you 

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know, it's always coincidental. 
Like we're never like purposely 

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lining them up with things, but 
somehow people end up in the 

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news every single time we're 
having an episode coming out on 

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them. 
I mean, I hope he doesn't like 

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die or something when this comes
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Oh, that would be awful. 
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with him. 
Music was he's insane. 

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He he like went on this crazy 
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performed for like 3 hours, like
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water and has like all that 
stand him out. 

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What, like 80 years old? 
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last year. 
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He is so productive, so 
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He. 
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It's crazy. 
So yeah, I I've. 

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I've been really into The 
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Increasingly as time goes on, 
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got into them in like middle 
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fan. 
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about them, but been getting 
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recent years Paul has become my 
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fell in love with him and 
Linda's story, so. 

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I'm a little intimidated to 
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to what 3 words would you use to
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I would say committed. 
I'd say natural. 

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They're very in many ways, but 
they're also very into nature. 

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Okay. 
I didn't know what kind of like 

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what and what You said you were 
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I would say kind of. 
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it's a natural, you know, just 
natural chemistry. 

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Yeah, natural chemistry. 
Not also very into nature. 

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And then I'd also say family. 
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So I'm I was saying this to Mel 
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but. 
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quite sad, and there will be sad
moments throughout this episode.

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But you know what? 
I'm on the phone with my cousin 

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and best friend Mel, and I want 
to have a good time. 

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And we're still going to have a 
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There might be some giggling. 
It's going to be back and forth 

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between happy, sad, and I hope 
that's OK with you guys. 

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That's the dichotomy of life. 
That's reality. 

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I mean, yes, it is sad, like the
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everybody dies and it's just, 
that's life, you know? 

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Everybody dies. 
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this is, I mean, if you're in a 
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person's going to die or you're 
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It's going to end in a sad way 
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So you just have to kind of 
enjoy and have fun in the middle

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of it, you know? 
Yes, while you can, all right. 

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Well, my sources for this 
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interested. 
I used a lot of the Paul 

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McCartney project website, which
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They have a ton of information 
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It's crazy. 
I also use the Paul McCartney 

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the lyrics book, which was a 
gift to me from Mel and my 

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sister Shannon. 
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That Yeah, I use that a lot. 
I also use the book The Beatles 

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by Hunter Davies and the Linda 
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And some other sources that I'll
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All right, Paul McCartney. 
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name. 
Paul was born James Paul 

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McCartney, OH. 
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happened on June 18th, 1942 in 
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As many people know, all The 
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His mother was Mary, his father,
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Mary was a nurse in a maternity 
ward and Jim was a cotton 

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salesman and his parents were a 
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His mom was 32, his dad 39. 
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feel like people act like in 
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and had kids and they were like 
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You know, it's not not 
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my dad's grandfather or my dad's
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I did the genealogy. 
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family had kids at like 40. 
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Like for the first time. 
Inspiring, yeah. 

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Yep, not too late, no. 
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Michael Michael McCartney. 
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He was a good student, but he 
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He would steal things and draw 
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Paul was only 14 years old when 
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breast cancer. 
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would have in common later with 
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his mom at a young age too. 
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really affected Paul. 
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throughout music throughout his 
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Feel like he never quite got 
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Yeah, that's really young. 
I know. 

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So his dad had to take over, 
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taking care of the boys. 
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of the one that introduced Paul 
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He played in a ragtime band. 
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piano and trumpet, but then at 
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So he started playing guitar. 
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dressing like a teddy boy, which
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Britain at the time. 
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rock'n'roll, they would dress 
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Edwardian period. 
They'd wear tight pants with 

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styled hair. 
I'd kind of compare it to like a

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greaser, but like a little more 
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Yeah, So I started dressing like
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into rock'n'roll. 
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virginity at age 15. 
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Yeah. 
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Oh my God, imagine a be the 
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virginity. 
I know. 

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Wow. 
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Oh, I feel like it always is for
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Now just for some really very, 
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history. 
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in the John Lennon episode, but 
when he was teenager he 

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befriended John Lennon. 
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Quarryman with this guy, Pete 
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washboard. 
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Apparently John broke the 
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was the end of Pete being in the
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Oh my God, John, relax. 
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I know. 
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joined the Quarryman. 
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And then they briefly changed 
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And then this guy, Stu Sutcliffe
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player. 
But he left to pursue art, so he

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left the band. 
And then there was another long 

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forgotten Beatle. 
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until they kicked him out and 
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And then and when that happened,
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name of The Beatles. 
So that's just a very basic 

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history of The Beatles. 
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that were in the band and then 
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lineup, which I feel like that 
would be really hard to deal 

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with. 
I know, especially as their 

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popularity is rising like I was 
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Yeah, I mean they became, 
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the world. 
Like imagine you you used to be 

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in them. 
Like that's no one even 

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remembers you or cares, yeah. 
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said that people would like, not
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And he just worked like a 
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But anyway, Paul's first serious
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Dorothy dot Bone dot was her 
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They started dating in 1959. 
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pregnant but had a miscarriage. 
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Wow. 
When Paul was only 20 years old.

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Wow, that's really young. 
Yeah, he guess he wasn't ready 

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to be married. 
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achieved worldwide fame, you 
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All of that Paul, they did a few
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I think he was a bit 
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During those early Beatles days,
post Beatles success, he dated 

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the British actress in redhead 
Jane Asher, and they were 

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together for about four years. 
It's a very serious 

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relationship. 
He actually lived in her 

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family's house for three years, 
so. 

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He's quite serious. 
Even when he was, he was like, 

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already successful at that 
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Yeah, yeah, I know. 
I don't know why he lived in her

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house, but yeah, it doesn't. 
Well, she was. 

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She was wealthy though, like she
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London, so, OK, so it wasn't 
like they were on top of each 

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other. 
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very posh and it would have been
very different from his life in 

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Liverpool too, but. 
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character, I would say that he's
very charismatic, friendly, 

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creative, very hardworking, 
family oriented, sentimental and

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a bit of a control freak. 
I feel like that's the main flaw

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that comes up when you hear 
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OK, so then on to Linda. 
Who is Linda? 

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I don't know much about who. 
Is this Linda? 

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I know. 
I mean, it's like, wow. 

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I mean, he was in The Beatles. 
He was kind of called the cute 

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Beetle, you know, Everyone was 
in love with him. 

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Who is this girl that he ended 
up with? 

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She was born September 24th, 
1941 in Scarsdale, NY. 

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Just got to say that's the same 
day, same birthday as my dad. 

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So I didn't. 
I know what? 

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This is so dumb of me. 
I didn't even realize that she 

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was American. 
It's not dumb. 

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It's not dumb of you, Mel, I 
mean. 

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You wouldn't know unless you 
heard her speaking voice, you 

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know, and I haven't. 
So she's from New York. 

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She had an older brother, John, 
and two younger sisters, Laura 

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and Louise. 
Her family's Jewish. 

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Her dad was sort of a self-made 
man. 

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He became a very successful 
entertainment lawyer. 

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After high school, she enrolled 
at Vermont College and got an 

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associate of arts. 
Then she attended Sarah Lawrence

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College. 
Only briefly, and then she later

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went to University of Arizona to
study art history. 

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So she's into the arts. 
She's said to be like a very 

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free spirited, not too bookish, 
not too into school type of 

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girl. 
Artsy. 

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Yeah, very into music too. 
When she was in Arizona, another

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sad thing Her mother was 
tragically killed in a 1962 

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plane crash. 
Of American Airlines plane in 

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Scarsdale, NY, A commercial 
airplane. 

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Yeah. 
Oh my God. 

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Awful. 
I know I didn't even like this 

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might be naive of me, but like, 
I didn't know that those crashed

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that, like, frequently. 
I don't. 

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I mean, I know they obviously 
don't crash that frequently, but

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like the idea that, like a 
celebrity, like their parent had

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died in the commercial airplane,
That's crazy. 

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I know, I sadly. 
I mean, that's not even that far

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away. 
I mean, I never heard of this 

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plane crash, so Oh my God. 
Really sad. 

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So she ended up leaving 
university without graduating 

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because I think it was really 
tough time for her and she 

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married a man named Joseph 
Melville C Jr. aka Mel OH. 

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Yeah, that's a sexy name. 
Yep. 

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And so yeah, she was married to 
this guy named Mel, and they had

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a daughter together named 
Heather, born in 1962. 

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So that was very crazy year for 
her, I think. 

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I mean, losing her mom and then 
having a kid. 

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Her relationship with Mel became
really distant, though, and it 

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wasn't going very well. 
They weren't very compatible, 

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and he was really into his work.
He was very studious and 

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serious, and they started 
drifting apart. 

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She started taking photography 
classes and shooting photos just

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for fun. 
And then in 1965, she decided 

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she couldn't take it anymore, 
and she took Heather and they 

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moved back to New York City, and
she worked as an editorial 

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assistant at Town and Country 
magazine. 

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And while she was working at 
Town and Country magazine, the, 

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you know, she was getting all 
these invitations to the desk 

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that she had to go through. 
And there was an event that the 

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magazine was invited to that was
the band Rolling Stones was 

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going to be on a boat. 
And so it was like this boat 

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party and she just kind of snuck
the invitation into her purse 

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and didn't tell her editor or 
anything about it. 

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And she just went by herself 
with her camera. 

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And she pretended to be one of 
the photographers and she got on

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the boat and she took pictures 
of all the rock stars, and 

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people liked the pictures and 
asked for them to put in their 

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publications. 
And that was kind of the start 

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of her being a rock 
photographer. 

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Wow, that's ballsy of her. 
And she was really an editorial 

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assistant. 
Wow, That's really ballsy. 

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It's really ballsy. 
Great idea though. 

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I know. 
Just take it for yourself. 

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Yeah, that's what you got to do 
in this world. 

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So doggy dog world. 
Yep, you know, I actually cuz I 

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used to intern at Boston Common 
Magazine, this magazine in 

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Boston and I still get 
invitations all the time, like 

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free tickets to plays and stuff 
you do. 

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Because, yeah, because they 
think I'm just part of the 

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press. 
But I feel kind of bad because 

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I'm not actually like affiliated
with the magazine anymore, so I 

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don't know if anyone would like 
catch me. 

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But I still do get these invites
all the time, like they're just 

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flying left and right, so I can 
see how she just really. 

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Took that and was like, yeah, Oh
my gosh, yeah, you can probably 

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should take advantage of it. 
It's weird though. 

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Like I don't work there anymore 
and I don't even know how they 

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got my personal e-mail. 
It's so weird. 

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That's so wait, they're just 
giving you free tickets to 

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stuff? 
Yeah, they're like. 

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Press event invite this play. 
It's it's usually plays. 

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Yeah. 
But you know, I was living away 

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and like, yeah, I know I 
probably should go to honestly 

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do it. 
So yeah, she's people liked her 

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pictures and she ended up 
starting to shoot photos. 

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She quit her editorial assistant
job and she started shooting 

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pictures of rock stars. 
Basically, she was kind of one 

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of the first, like young rock 
photographers and. 

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Apparently, allegedly, she had 
some relationships with some 

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rock stars who including Mick 
Jagger. 

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Oh my God, Hendricks. 
Everybody has. 

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Yep. 
Jim Morrison. 

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Yeah, Jim Morrison. 
Warren Beatty? 

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Yeah. 
Oh my God. 

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I know. 
Wait, who's the second person 

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you said? 
Jimi Hendrix. 

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Oh my gosh, that's iconic. 
That's iconic of her. 

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I know like 6 how many like 5 
icons. 

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Yeah, that's crazy. 
It is crazy. 

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She must have known Carly Simon.
Probably. 

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Wow. 
She must have. 

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She must have been really hot. 
Yeah. 

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I mean, I I listened to this 
podcast about her, actually, and

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the girl hosting it said that 
back then, like, you know, 

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rock'n'roll was still pretty new
and they were still using these,

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like, old stuffy men to take 
pictures of people like Mick 

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Jagger, you know? 
And she was. 

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This young, really chill girl. 
Yeah, she was. 

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It was really different. 
People really liked her. 

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They felt more comfortable with 
her. 

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She was just having a good time 
and they would really like open 

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up to her and she got really 
awesome pictures of them. 

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So, but yeah, I think there's 
just, there's something about 

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Linda. 
She was just very chill girl. 

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In 1967, she was voted the US 
Female Photographer of the Year 

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for her work shooting pictures 
of Jimi Hendrix. 

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She's shot for many magazines, 
Rolling Stone many times. 

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She's had a very prolific 
photography career and if I had 

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to describe her personality, I 
would say that she is, as I 

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said, chill, grounded, kind of 
hippie, calm, friendly, but also

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hardworking. 
OK, so how did they meet? 

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May 15th 1967? 
Paul Linda met. 

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Yep. 
Paul Linda met for the very 

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first time at the Bag of Nails 
music club in London. 

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Linda was there on assignment to
take pictures of musicians, and 

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it was a Georgie Fame concert 
that night. 

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And I actually have a clip by 
sent You Mel. 

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She was on the Vicky Show in 
1992, so this is, you know, in 

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the future, but she's talking 
about meeting Paul. 

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You? 
Know it's quite crazy. 

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Yeah. 
So was it like instant sparks 

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when you and Paul did your eyes 
meet? 

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Funnily enough, I met Paul a few
nights before the club. 

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So I had. 
I actually didn't meet him at 

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this photo session I went to. 
I have. 

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I photographed a group called 
the Animals a lot in New York. 

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So when I came to England they 
said, well look, we'll take you 

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out. 
So I went down to see somebody 

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named Georgie Fame. 
Do you know him? 

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In the blue flames, really 
sitting in the park and a few 

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other souls. 
Come on, Vicky. 

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Anyway, we went down to a club. 
He was very good. 

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Very good, very good, good. 
Anyway and we I went down with 

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the animals and we're listening.
The music was great. 

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And in walks Paul and some other
friends and he sat at a table. 

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We were sitting here by the band
and there was somebody else in 

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there. 
And I sort of met and you know, 

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it was that kind of thing. 
There were sparks. 

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There was definite sparks. 
So what happened? 

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What happened? 
So when the band finished, we 

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all got up to leave and sort of 
they got up to leave and 

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everybody started talking. 
And he, he and I started talking

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and he said, well, we're going 
on to another club now. 

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Do you want to come? 
What? 

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Why not? 
So that's how we met. 

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Yeah, at a club. 
Well, but they picked me up. 

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Literally. 
Yeah. 

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So we picked you up and then 
what? 

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I mean, you know, you're 
visiting Europe now, so. 

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But you live in America. 
You didn't? 

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No, no. 
So then I, I, we went to this 

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club, we heard wider shade of 
pale. 

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You know, I remember that for 
the first time and everybody 

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said, who is this? 
What is this? 

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And then I went back to New 
York, kept taking pictures and 

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it just, I guess it was months 
and then. 

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I was over taking pictures of 
Jimi Hendrix one evening, came 

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back and I happened to have one 
of those great New York answer 

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phones where it's not they have 
machines now, tapes, but then 

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people used to take your calls 
for you and it was great. 

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And then you'd ring in and 
they'd say, well, Linda, so and 

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so-called and so and so-called 
and we got quite friendly. 

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But Paul McCartney rang while 
you were out. 

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Anyway, the answering service 
had a heart attack, but Paul 

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McCartney are right. 
I said, sure, I'll tell her you 

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called. 
This is Winston Churchill. 

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Yeah, exactly, exactly. 
So we had a little laugh about 

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that. 
Anyway, turns out he had come 

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here to LA and he, you know, 
wanted to say hi. 

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Well, he is in New York, So we 
met up again. 

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And then he went back to 
England. 

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I stayed here, and then we met 
again after that. 

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We kept meeting at places. 
And then one day rang and we 

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said, why don't you come to 
England? 

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That's how. 
Well, actually, that's not so 

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sure it comes to England. 
I have a daughter I'm about to 

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put in school and you know, I 
wasn't so sure. 

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So I debated it for a while and 
then I went 5 or 10 minutes and 

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said OK. 
Oh my gosh, I love this 

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interviewer. 
The way her jaw keeps opening 

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up. 
Wow. 

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So, Vicki, I know. 
Yeah, she just moved to England.

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Yeah, pretty much. 
But I'm going to. 

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There's a little more to the 
story, so I'm going to backtrack

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for a second. 
But yeah, I also thought it was 

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funny because it sounds like she
kind of picked up an accent. 

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Yeah, I was going to say that 
she sounds British. 

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She speaks in a very She's not, 
but yeah, he said. 

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They met, she said. 
They met the club and then they 

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met again four days later at the
Sergeant Pepper's album launch 

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party, and she was taking 
pictures there, but then she 

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returned to New York. 
So The thing is, Paul liked her,

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but he was actually still with 
Jane Asher at this time. 

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And you know, I know, so Linda, 
she went back. 

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I don't know if they kept in 
touch or whatever, but him and 

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Jane actually became engaged 
December 1967, yeah. 

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Why is he proposing if he's like
chasing somebody else? 

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I don't know. 
I don't know if like, he just 

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saw Linda twice and was just 
like, hi. 

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Like, I don't. 
I don't really think anything 

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happened, but this just kind of 
happens in between the story she

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just told. 
Oh wow. 

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That's a huge detail, I know. 
Huge detail. 

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00:24:58,660 --> 00:25:02,560
She made it really sound simple.
I know it was not that simple. 

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Paul and Jane were engaged and 
Jane even went to India with him

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and the rest of The Beatles. 
Oh my God. 

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But then, as she said, Paul 
Linda met again in New York. 

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When John and Paul were there, 
they were forming Apple 

454
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:21,080
Corporation. 
But summer in 1968, Jane ended 

455
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:25,800
their engagement because Paul 
was having an affair. 

456
00:25:26,780 --> 00:25:32,260
But it wasn't with Linda. 
I know it was with scriptwriter 

457
00:25:32,260 --> 00:25:37,740
Franci Franny Schwartz. 
Franny later wrote a book and 

458
00:25:37,980 --> 00:25:41,380
claimed that Paul and Jean were 
no longer together when she was 

459
00:25:41,380 --> 00:25:43,500
with Paul. 
But who's to say? 

460
00:25:43,540 --> 00:25:46,860
Either way he either he cheated 
or moved on really quickly. 

461
00:25:46,860 --> 00:25:48,980
I don't know. 
But him and Jane ended up 

462
00:25:48,980 --> 00:25:51,300
getting back together. 
But then they broke up a final 

463
00:25:51,300 --> 00:25:55,100
time, so there was just some 
mess going on. 

464
00:25:55,530 --> 00:25:57,130
It's upsetting, you know, I love
Paul. 

465
00:25:59,970 --> 00:26:02,690
It's hard when you research 
people you love and. 

466
00:26:03,210 --> 00:26:04,970
You know what? 
Like stuff like that. 

467
00:26:05,530 --> 00:26:06,770
Like we've. 
Talked about this. 

468
00:26:07,610 --> 00:26:12,530
I mean, it seems like all men in
that position, like cheating, is

469
00:26:12,530 --> 00:26:15,730
just so normal. 
Those rock stars for. 

470
00:26:16,050 --> 00:26:18,890
It's just rock'n'roll and it's 
unfortunate in the 60s. 

471
00:26:18,970 --> 00:26:22,770
Yeah, it's it's just it's 
honestly what I would expect. 

472
00:26:23,890 --> 00:26:28,530
I know it's sad. 
I mean he it's no excuse, but he

473
00:26:28,530 --> 00:26:33,170
is in his early 20s, so I think 
he, I think he learned better 

474
00:26:33,330 --> 00:26:35,210
later. 
But yeah, very upsetting. 

475
00:26:35,210 --> 00:26:39,010
So then The Beatles were working
on their self-titled album, the 

476
00:26:39,010 --> 00:26:41,010
one commonly known as The White 
Album. 

477
00:26:42,170 --> 00:26:45,210
There was a lot of tension. 
Ringo actually quit for two 

478
00:26:45,210 --> 00:26:49,530
weeks. 
John called Paul's song Obladi 

479
00:26:49,530 --> 00:26:55,630
Oblada Granny music shit, so 
there's a lot of fighting going 

480
00:26:55,630 --> 00:26:59,190
on meanwhile. 
So Paul and Linda are still not 

481
00:26:59,190 --> 00:27:01,630
together yet, but meanwhile she 
was doing great with her 

482
00:27:01,630 --> 00:27:04,350
photography. 
She was actually the first woman

483
00:27:04,350 --> 00:27:08,230
to have her photograph on the 
cover of Rolling Stone and it 

484
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:12,390
was a picture of Eric Clapton. 
Oh yeah. 

485
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:17,430
So then, as she said, September 
1968, after all that drama with 

486
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:23,690
Jane and Franny and all that, 
Paul called Linda seemingly out 

487
00:27:23,690 --> 00:27:27,330
of the blue, I don't know, and 
asked her to come to London. 

488
00:27:27,850 --> 00:27:32,130
Just move there. 
And then she yeah, so. 

489
00:27:32,130 --> 00:27:33,730
And she did. 
She did. 

490
00:27:34,170 --> 00:27:36,450
And it seems like they were 
together pretty much 

491
00:27:36,450 --> 00:27:39,650
immediately. 
Oh my God, I know. 

492
00:27:40,130 --> 00:27:43,250
I don't know. 
I mean it's it is Paul McCartney

493
00:27:43,250 --> 00:27:45,960
like. 
What would I do if, like, Robert

494
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,400
Pattinson called me up and said,
come move to London? 

495
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,440
Like, oh, would I? 
You would do it? 

496
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,000
Yeah, you have to. 
Yeah, you know what? 

497
00:27:54,000 --> 00:28:01,000
I would, and I would encourage 
you to I just quit my job. 

498
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,480
I. 
Would do it tomorrow. 

499
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:07,200
I would do it tomorrow, yeah, 
it's Paul McCartney. 

500
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,760
So in the lyrics book, the one 
that you gave me. 

501
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,570
So this is in his older age, but
Paul wrote kind of about this 

502
00:28:15,570 --> 00:28:19,050
time he wrote. 
Jane, Asher and I were together 

503
00:28:19,050 --> 00:28:21,610
for around five years. 
So at the back of my mind I 

504
00:28:21,610 --> 00:28:24,610
expected to marry her. 
But as the time got closer, I 

505
00:28:24,610 --> 00:28:26,330
think I also realized it wasn't 
right. 

506
00:28:26,570 --> 00:28:28,090
You can't ever put your finger 
on it. 

507
00:28:28,090 --> 00:28:30,650
But when Linda came along 
shortly after Jane and I broke 

508
00:28:30,650 --> 00:28:33,650
up, I just thought, oh, I don't 
know, maybe this is more right. 

509
00:28:33,930 --> 00:28:36,530
And then when Linda and I got to
know each other, I felt, this is

510
00:28:36,530 --> 00:28:40,890
more me, I'm more her. 
He did say also that Jane was a 

511
00:28:40,890 --> 00:28:44,790
wonderful woman, but that parts 
of the jigsaw just weren't 

512
00:28:44,790 --> 00:28:48,830
working. 
Yeah, And then he also said in 

513
00:28:48,830 --> 00:28:51,750
the same book, He said, just as 
The Beatles were beginning to 

514
00:28:51,750 --> 00:28:55,190
fragment, Linda Eastman came 
into my life, not only my wife, 

515
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:57,670
but also my muse. 
No one was more influential on 

516
00:28:57,670 --> 00:28:59,670
my writing and composing at that
time. 

517
00:29:00,230 --> 00:29:02,390
Just the fact that she got it, 
that she understood what I was 

518
00:29:02,390 --> 00:29:04,190
trying to do was very 
comforting. 

519
00:29:04,430 --> 00:29:06,830
At that time, I really needed 
someone like that because The 

520
00:29:06,830 --> 00:29:11,150
Beatles had just broken up. 
So some people kind of. 

521
00:29:11,780 --> 00:29:14,020
I mean, I know it's from the 
outside and people are getting 

522
00:29:14,020 --> 00:29:17,580
all excited as Beatles fans and 
stuff, but a lot of people think

523
00:29:17,580 --> 00:29:22,500
that Linda was kind of like 
Paul's new John in a way. 

524
00:29:22,980 --> 00:29:25,860
Yeah, that she inspired him a 
lot. 

525
00:29:25,860 --> 00:29:29,300
And it is kind of crazy for him 
because The Beatles are still 

526
00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:31,780
together technically at this 
point. 

527
00:29:32,460 --> 00:29:36,940
And for him to say that she's 
inspiring him the most, you 

528
00:29:36,940 --> 00:29:40,420
know, John isn't, I guess, 
anymore. 

529
00:29:40,660 --> 00:29:41,950
But. 
Am I wrong? 

530
00:29:41,950 --> 00:29:44,190
Like, is it inspiring in a 
different way? 

531
00:29:44,190 --> 00:29:48,310
Like he's writing songs like 
inspired by her? 

532
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:50,630
Is that what it means? 
That's probably true. 

533
00:29:50,670 --> 00:29:53,750
Whereas John would be inspiring 
him like, just like in a musical

534
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:56,550
way. 
Yeah, that's true. 

535
00:29:57,070 --> 00:29:58,270
I know. 
I feel like people are just 

536
00:29:58,270 --> 00:30:02,910
like, oh, like it's almost as if
Paul and John were together. 

537
00:30:02,910 --> 00:30:05,390
Like people act, I know. 
They kind of do act like that, 

538
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:08,270
yet they do act like they were 
together because. 

539
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:10,670
They everyone he got with Yoko. 
I don't know. 

540
00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:13,150
Some people speculate, actually.
What? 

541
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:14,830
Really. 
They do. 

542
00:30:14,830 --> 00:30:15,670
They do. 
Yeah. 

543
00:30:15,910 --> 00:30:17,910
Oh my gosh. 
It's like Larry, but with The 

544
00:30:17,950 --> 00:30:20,110
Beatles. 
It is like Larry Paul. 

545
00:30:20,110 --> 00:30:24,470
I don't know if there's any 
truth to it, but yeah, because 

546
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:26,790
people act like that too. 
Like, oh, once John go with 

547
00:30:26,790 --> 00:30:30,910
Yoko, you know, yeah, it ruined 
him and Paul's relationship. 

548
00:30:31,070 --> 00:30:36,150
Yeah, I bet there's fan fiction,
significant friends someday. 

549
00:30:38,510 --> 00:30:41,750
He also said that Linda was the 
one who held on to all the 

550
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:44,310
scraps of paper with the lyrics 
and everything. 

551
00:30:44,670 --> 00:30:48,830
And that actually ended up 
basically creating that book 

552
00:30:48,830 --> 00:30:52,870
that you gave me, Malik, with 
the lyrics because she had all 

553
00:30:52,870 --> 00:30:56,190
her collections, led to that 
book in a way. 

554
00:30:56,670 --> 00:30:58,630
Just the scans and everything. 
Yeah. 

555
00:30:58,630 --> 00:31:01,070
So it's nice. 
This is kind of a random. 

556
00:31:01,710 --> 00:31:04,310
It's not that random, but it's 
just an insight into their 

557
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:07,550
relationship. 
So the guy that wrote The 

558
00:31:07,550 --> 00:31:10,510
Beatles book, it's called it's 
just called The Beatles, so 

559
00:31:11,550 --> 00:31:15,070
that's why I call it that. 
But Hunter Davies, he lived in 

560
00:31:15,070 --> 00:31:19,110
Portugal, and Paul and Linda and
her daughter Heather came to 

561
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:22,420
visit him and his wife, December
1968. 

562
00:31:22,420 --> 00:31:25,940
And Hunter Davies kind of just 
wrote about this trip in the 

563
00:31:25,940 --> 00:31:28,340
book. 
And it's interesting. 

564
00:31:28,340 --> 00:31:32,300
So this would have been about 
three months into Paula Linda's 

565
00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:35,580
relationship. 
And this is what he said about 

566
00:31:35,780 --> 00:31:39,420
Paula Linda visiting, he said. 
My wife and I, though we're 

567
00:31:39,420 --> 00:31:41,940
rather confused by this American
girl called Linda. 

568
00:31:42,260 --> 00:31:44,740
We had never heard of her when 
we left England. 

569
00:31:44,740 --> 00:31:47,940
Jane Asher was the girl in 
Paul's life and we had gone very

570
00:31:47,940 --> 00:31:50,690
well with her. 
With her was this Linda A1 night

571
00:31:50,690 --> 00:31:53,610
stand or was his relationship 
with Jane Asher finished? 

572
00:31:54,530 --> 00:31:56,770
Linda was naturally rather wary 
of us. 

573
00:31:56,770 --> 00:31:59,890
I suppose she I suppose she 
realized we had been friendly 

574
00:31:59,890 --> 00:32:02,170
with Jane and would perhaps be 
critical of her. 

575
00:32:02,530 --> 00:32:05,410
She also wanted to get Paul to 
herself as it was the first 

576
00:32:05,410 --> 00:32:08,130
stages of their romance. 
While Paul was keen for long 

577
00:32:08,570 --> 00:32:11,250
late night talks and 
philosophical discussions, it 

578
00:32:11,250 --> 00:32:14,530
seemed to us at first that Linda
was very much a yes girl who was

579
00:32:14,530 --> 00:32:17,910
overdoing her adoration for 
Paul, clinging to him all the 

580
00:32:17,910 --> 00:32:21,030
time, hanging on his every word.
We couldn't see it lasting. 

581
00:32:21,070 --> 00:32:24,430
We couldn't see what she was 
giving Paul at times during the 

582
00:32:24,430 --> 00:32:26,870
10 days or so she they stayed 
with us. 

583
00:32:27,270 --> 00:32:30,710
There were some frosty moments. 
Oh, we did in the end. 

584
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:34,630
I know we did in the end get to 
know and understand Linda 

585
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:36,870
better. 
I was, of course, completely 

586
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:38,910
wrong. 
Linda proved to be much more 

587
00:32:38,910 --> 00:32:41,390
relaxed and friendly on our 
subsequent meetings and her 

588
00:32:41,390 --> 00:32:43,510
marriage to Paul had been a 
great success. 

589
00:32:43,970 --> 00:32:46,730
Linda has given Paul the moral 
support he always needed. 

590
00:32:46,730 --> 00:32:50,050
John had of course been critical
during his relationship with 

591
00:32:50,050 --> 00:32:53,210
Paul, often very cruel. 
Jane Asher had very much been 

592
00:32:53,210 --> 00:32:54,770
her own woman with her own 
career. 

593
00:32:54,770 --> 00:32:57,250
Linda has been prepared to 
devote all her energies and 

594
00:32:57,250 --> 00:33:00,690
emotions to Paul and their 
family and, if necessary, to his

595
00:33:00,690 --> 00:33:03,250
work if that was what he felt he
needed. 

596
00:33:03,890 --> 00:33:05,410
Oh yeah. 
So Hunter Davies was a 

597
00:33:05,410 --> 00:33:08,490
journalist, and he had spent a 
lot of time with The Beatles. 

598
00:33:08,490 --> 00:33:13,120
Just basically being there and 
writing down stuff they're doing

599
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,320
and interviewing them. 
And I guess Paul liked him, 

600
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,560
which is interesting. 
Like you'd think that you 

601
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,320
wouldn't have. 
I don't know that kind of 

602
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,720
relationship with someone 
writing a biography about you, 

603
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,080
but. 
Yeah, but I mean, I guess you in

604
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,480
a way you like you would want to
be friendly with them because 

605
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,880
you know. 
You want them to paint you in a 

606
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,120
good light, so that's true. 
Apparently it was during this 

607
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:40,250
visit to Portugal that Paul and 
Linda discovered that Linda was 

608
00:33:40,250 --> 00:33:44,570
pregnant. 
Oh, and Paul proposed to Linda. 

609
00:33:44,810 --> 00:33:48,810
Wow, congratulations. 
I know it's crazy because this 

610
00:33:48,810 --> 00:33:52,010
is only like a 10 day trip. 
Like, how did all of this 

611
00:33:52,010 --> 00:33:52,890
happen? 
Wait, yeah. 

612
00:33:52,890 --> 00:33:55,170
And there are only three months 
into their relationship too, 

613
00:33:55,170 --> 00:33:56,970
right? 
Yeah, it's pretty early. 

614
00:33:58,130 --> 00:34:00,450
Don't you feel like stuff like 
this just happens in these 

615
00:34:00,450 --> 00:34:02,570
couples we cover from like the 
60s? 

616
00:34:02,570 --> 00:34:05,730
70s, I know. 
Honestly, 50s, all celebrities. 

617
00:34:05,730 --> 00:34:09,750
It's like, yeah, true. 
If one of my friends was only 

618
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:12,110
dating somebody for three months
and then suddenly, like, they're

619
00:34:12,110 --> 00:34:14,630
pregnant and like engaged, like 
I would be like like, wait a 

620
00:34:14,630 --> 00:34:16,389
minute, hold a SEC, like, hold 
the phone. 

621
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:18,429
Like, I know, I know. 
Like I would be a little like 

622
00:34:19,070 --> 00:34:23,949
kind of weirded out and like a 
little nervous, but I know it's 

623
00:34:23,949 --> 00:34:28,469
like we don't like it works out.
It did. 

624
00:34:28,469 --> 00:34:33,070
It did work out, according to 
Paul in the book many years from

625
00:34:33,070 --> 00:34:37,219
now by Barry Miles. 
He said, is our relationship 

626
00:34:37,219 --> 00:34:39,020
solidified? 
And we really started to feel 

627
00:34:39,020 --> 00:34:43,020
very confident with each other. 
It was a question of, well, 

628
00:34:43,020 --> 00:34:47,060
shall I get off the pill then? 
And we talked about that and I 

629
00:34:47,060 --> 00:34:50,300
said, yeah, I don't know why. 
It wasn't like planning a 

630
00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:53,020
family. 
It was more like if you like, we

631
00:34:53,020 --> 00:34:55,260
could see what happened. 
If anything happened, then it 

632
00:34:55,260 --> 00:34:58,260
would be all right then. 
Mary was on the way and it was 

633
00:34:58,260 --> 00:35:00,900
definitely not planned. 
And we decided around about that

634
00:35:00,900 --> 00:35:03,140
point to get married. 
Wait. 

635
00:35:03,590 --> 00:35:05,950
Like 3 months and she was like, 
should I get off the pill? 

636
00:35:06,910 --> 00:35:08,550
Yeah, I guess so. 
Wow. 

637
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:11,630
That's a really serious. 
But if I was Jane Asher, though,

638
00:35:11,630 --> 00:35:16,030
I would feel like, really like, 
I mean, I don't know how she 

639
00:35:16,030 --> 00:35:19,390
felt about the breakup, but 
like, wow, he moved on really 

640
00:35:19,390 --> 00:35:22,070
quickly. 
Yeah, that would be upsetting. 

641
00:35:22,070 --> 00:35:26,140
Yeah. 
Luckily for them, I mean, he was

642
00:35:26,140 --> 00:35:28,980
famous so you would still see 
his pictures, but I was gonna 

643
00:35:28,980 --> 00:35:31,140
say there was no Instagram back 
then. 

644
00:35:31,260 --> 00:35:35,020
Yeah, exactly. 
No, but she probably still did 

645
00:35:35,060 --> 00:35:35,460
see. 
It, yeah. 

646
00:35:35,660 --> 00:35:37,180
Yeah. 
It's different. 

647
00:35:37,300 --> 00:35:40,260
That is tough. 
I mean, I don't know. 

648
00:35:40,580 --> 00:35:43,970
You hear about it with people's 
grandparents and stuff. 

649
00:35:43,970 --> 00:35:47,490
Like we met and we got married 2
weeks later. 

650
00:35:47,530 --> 00:35:53,050
I know. 
So I guess it happens sometimes.

651
00:35:53,090 --> 00:35:55,770
OK, so yeah, they're engaged. 
Linda's pregnant. 

652
00:35:56,970 --> 00:36:01,210
January 1969. 
This is when they were recording

653
00:36:01,490 --> 00:36:05,130
Let It Be An Abbey Road, And it 
was being filmed for the 

654
00:36:05,130 --> 00:36:08,130
documentary by Michael Lindsay 
Hogg. 

655
00:36:08,650 --> 00:36:10,930
And that's all the footage that 
just came out recently. 

656
00:36:11,090 --> 00:36:13,870
Like, it was never all this 
footage was never released. 

657
00:36:13,870 --> 00:36:16,990
Until Was that like last year or
two years ago? 

658
00:36:18,030 --> 00:36:21,590
Yeah, I think so. 
The Get Back documentary, it was

659
00:36:21,590 --> 00:36:25,550
a very bad time for The Beatles.
They were really breaking down. 

660
00:36:25,590 --> 00:36:29,190
George quit the band for five 
days, and if you watch the 

661
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:31,510
footage, you can see that 
there's like a lot of tension 

662
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:33,790
and they're talking about each 
other. 

663
00:36:33,830 --> 00:36:37,690
And yeah, and then besides the 
music, there was all this 

664
00:36:37,690 --> 00:36:41,850
tension because the band members
were trying to appoint a new 

665
00:36:41,850 --> 00:36:47,650
financial advisor. 
And John, George and Ringo 

666
00:36:47,650 --> 00:36:50,610
wanted to work with Alan Klein, 
who had managed The Rolling 

667
00:36:50,610 --> 00:36:54,010
Stones. 
But Paul wanted. 

668
00:36:54,050 --> 00:36:56,690
But Paul really hated this Alan 
Klein guy. 

669
00:36:57,330 --> 00:37:01,210
And he wanted Lee and John 
Eastman, which were Linda's 

670
00:37:01,210 --> 00:37:06,980
father and brother, to manage 
their business affairs instead. 

671
00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:11,260
But the other guys didn't want 
the Eastman's to, you know, be 

672
00:37:11,260 --> 00:37:14,340
their managers, so they couldn't
agree. 

673
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:18,220
So they temporarily appointed 
both of them. 

674
00:37:18,780 --> 00:37:21,620
Klein is The Beatles business 
manager and Eastman's as their 

675
00:37:21,620 --> 00:37:25,260
lawyers. 
But then there were more 

676
00:37:25,540 --> 00:37:27,780
disagreements, and there were 
financial opportunities 

677
00:37:27,780 --> 00:37:30,740
apparently lost. 
And then Klein was named the 

678
00:37:30,740 --> 00:37:34,670
sole manager of the band, and 
Paula refused to sign the 

679
00:37:34,670 --> 00:37:37,470
management contract with Klein, 
but he was outvoted, so it was 

680
00:37:37,470 --> 00:37:40,150
just like a lot of drama about 
that. 

681
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:42,910
Why did he care so much? 
Like, did he just really want 

682
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:47,390
what was it was her dad. 
He wanted to be the manager, 

683
00:37:48,070 --> 00:37:49,830
yeah. 
See that does kind of like 

684
00:37:49,830 --> 00:37:52,750
letting personal matters get in 
the way of business a little 

685
00:37:52,750 --> 00:37:53,590
bit. 
It does. 

686
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:58,870
It does. 
I didn't admittedly look this up

687
00:37:58,870 --> 00:38:02,470
this time, but I think this came
up last time, the John Lennon 

688
00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:06,030
one, and that was a year ago. 
But if I remember, I think he 

689
00:38:06,030 --> 00:38:10,030
had heard from Mick Jagger or 
something that Alan Klein like 

690
00:38:10,030 --> 00:38:11,630
shouldn't be trusted or 
something. 

691
00:38:11,630 --> 00:38:16,350
So I think he didn't like that 
guy, but also I definitely think

692
00:38:16,350 --> 00:38:21,830
he was influenced to have his 
future in laws be involved. 

693
00:38:21,830 --> 00:38:26,060
So yeah, yeah, no one agreed 
with him. 

694
00:38:26,060 --> 00:38:30,180
So that definitely contributed 
to the breakup too. 

695
00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:36,900
And then March 12th, 1969, only 
six months after he first phoned

696
00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:41,780
Linda to come to London, they 
were married at a small civil 

697
00:38:41,780 --> 00:38:46,260
ceremony at Marlabone Town Hall 
in London. 

698
00:38:46,260 --> 00:38:49,100
And Linda has actually said that
the night before the wedding, 

699
00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:51,140
she almost called it off, She 
said. 

700
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,840
Seems like she's kind of 
freaking out because she had 

701
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,680
already been married before and 
she wasn't sure if she wanted to

702
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,800
do it again. 
And she liked her freedom. 

703
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,680
I mean, she was four months 
pregnant, so she. 

704
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,840
Kind of done to be, kind of, 
yeah. 

705
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,120
You're going to be stuck with 
Paul anyway. 

706
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,080
But they apparently they almost 
didn't go through with it. 

707
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,320
But then they did. 
Wow. 

708
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,160
And if you guys remember last 
time, John and Yoko got married 

709
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,470
two days later. 
Oh yeah, weird. 

710
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:27,430
That's not appropriate. 
I know some people who are like,

711
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:32,390
oh, like I can't get engaged yet
because my sibling is engaged. 

712
00:39:32,390 --> 00:39:34,950
So I'm waiting until they get 
like, it's like some people are 

713
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:38,270
like, so overly sensitive with 
that kind of stuff. 

714
00:39:38,270 --> 00:39:40,270
Like, that's crazy. 
They were not. 

715
00:39:41,630 --> 00:39:43,590
There's no way that's a 
coincidence, right? 

716
00:39:43,710 --> 00:39:45,650
No. 
Wait, because they did it. 

717
00:39:45,730 --> 00:39:48,330
They did it suddenly too, it 
wasn't planned. 

718
00:39:48,330 --> 00:39:50,170
It was like a eloping type of 
thing. 

719
00:39:50,250 --> 00:39:51,530
Oh my God. 
Read the room. 

720
00:39:51,610 --> 00:39:56,050
Like, read the room. 
That's really. 

721
00:39:56,170 --> 00:40:01,210
Honestly, that's kind of 
embarrassing, I know. 

722
00:40:02,170 --> 00:40:04,730
You know, it does make you 
wonder what the heck is going on

723
00:40:04,730 --> 00:40:06,250
there. 
They were, like, so competitive 

724
00:40:06,250 --> 00:40:06,930
with each other. 
Yeah. 

725
00:40:08,810 --> 00:40:10,130
Yeah. 
Once they were married, Paul 

726
00:40:10,130 --> 00:40:12,970
officially adopted Linda's 
daughter, Heather. 

727
00:40:12,970 --> 00:40:14,810
Oh, that's. 
Which is really nice. 

728
00:40:14,810 --> 00:40:16,770
I guess Mel wasn't in the 
picture. 

729
00:40:17,530 --> 00:40:22,010
Sorry, Mel. 
Sorry to you, Mel. 

730
00:40:22,210 --> 00:40:26,450
Yeah. 
Paul and Linda moved up to 

731
00:40:26,450 --> 00:40:31,690
Paul's farm in Scotland that he 
had purchased in 1966. 

732
00:40:31,690 --> 00:40:34,650
He had said I'd acquired it a 
few years before. 

733
00:40:34,650 --> 00:40:38,700
I hadn't been massively keen on 
it, frankly, but Linda was. 

734
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:40,780
She opened my eyes to how 
beautiful it is. 

735
00:40:41,260 --> 00:40:46,580
So on the farm, they got just 
super into farm life. 

736
00:40:46,860 --> 00:40:49,780
Paul started literally shearing 
the sheep, taking care of the 

737
00:40:49,780 --> 00:40:53,500
sheep him. 
Linda became vegetarians and 

738
00:40:53,540 --> 00:40:57,780
huge advocates for vegetarianism
and environmental causes. 

739
00:40:57,780 --> 00:41:00,540
And they were living a really 
simple life, like kind of off 

740
00:41:00,540 --> 00:41:02,580
the grid, you know, away from 
city life. 

741
00:41:04,380 --> 00:41:08,180
And it's nuts to me because he 
was only 27. 

742
00:41:08,900 --> 00:41:13,540
It's my age. 
Can you imagine just being like,

743
00:41:13,780 --> 00:41:15,740
I'm done with the city? 
I'm done. 

744
00:41:15,740 --> 00:41:18,020
With, I don't feel like he's 
like retiring all that. 

745
00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:27,740
He's, like, in the prime of his 
life still. 

746
00:41:18,140 --> 00:41:22,860
Yeah, it is like, it actually 
does feel very much like he's 

747
00:41:22,860 --> 00:41:24,860
retiring. 
And he was only 27. 

748
00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:29,980
Yeah. 
And he's like a stepfather. 

749
00:41:29,980 --> 00:41:30,900
Wow. 
Yep. 

750
00:41:31,980 --> 00:41:36,980
And then August 28th, 1969, 
their daughter Mary McCartney 

751
00:41:36,980 --> 00:41:41,420
was born and I was thinking 
maybe right now we could take a 

752
00:41:41,420 --> 00:41:44,460
break. 
Yeah, we'll go to the bathroom, 

753
00:41:44,500 --> 00:41:48,900
we'll fill up our drinks and 
we'll be right back. 

754
00:41:49,620 --> 00:41:54,260
All right, we're back. 
OK1970 The Beatles album Let It 

755
00:41:54,260 --> 00:41:59,260
Be came out and the track Two of
Us on there is about Linda, 

756
00:41:59,300 --> 00:42:12,030
apparently. 
The 

757
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:30,110
works are two of us riding 
nowhere, you and me, Sunday, 

758
00:42:30,110 --> 00:42:35,430
driving, not arriving on our way
back home, and Paul said on the 

759
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:37,190
lyrics. 
One of the great things about 

760
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:39,990
Linda was while I was driving 
and going, Oh my God, I think 

761
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:42,230
I'm lost. 
She'd simply say great. 

762
00:42:42,350 --> 00:42:45,190
She loved getting lost and she 
pointed out to me quite rightly,

763
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:48,190
that there was always a sign 
somewhere saying London, so we'd

764
00:42:48,190 --> 00:42:52,710
just follow that. 
Pretty bold, you know, no G PS:.

765
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:56,790
Back then, yeah. 
Why was that really interesting?

766
00:42:57,190 --> 00:43:01,080
I would just have a driver. 
I guess, yeah. 

767
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,440
That's kind of a loss of, like, 
autonomy, though. 

768
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,840
That's true, I think, for sure. 
I mean, maybe out in the country

769
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,360
you like driving around. 
Yeah, I think for sure if I 

770
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,480
lived in the city, I would have 
a driver 100. 

771
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:17,160
If I was rich, yeah. 
But actually they're yeah, they 

772
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,320
were very low key though. 
They actually didn't have a 

773
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,920
nanny or apparently they didn't 
have a maid or anything. 

774
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,750
Yeah, I don't know why. 
I feel like, I don't know, maybe

775
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:31,950
they had a cleaning lady once in
a while, but. 

776
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:33,950
Yeah. 
Oh my gosh. 

777
00:43:33,950 --> 00:43:36,350
I definitely would if I could 
afford it, but. 

778
00:43:36,430 --> 00:43:38,430
I got 100%. 
Sometimes I even think about 

779
00:43:38,430 --> 00:43:42,990
getting one now and I cannot 
afford it, you know, because you

780
00:43:42,990 --> 00:43:45,350
know what? 
I can tidy up. 

781
00:43:45,550 --> 00:43:48,750
As you were saying earlier, I 
can clean up, but I'm not great 

782
00:43:48,750 --> 00:43:52,270
at, like, the deep cleaning. 
Yeah, the chemical it's too 

783
00:43:52,270 --> 00:43:53,070
late. 
Yeah. 

784
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,880
I I get really paranoid about, 
like using cleaning products and

785
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,880
yeah, you got me paranoid about 
that, yeah. 

786
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,280
Because you know what? 
I was actually talking about 

787
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:03,760
this, but for a good. 
Yeah. 

788
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,720
No one told me that you couldn't
make like mix chemicals until 

789
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,080
like way too late. 
Late in life, thankfully. 

790
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,520
Yeah, no one told me either. 
Yeah, until you. 

791
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,400
Yeah, they need to teach that in
school. 

792
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:16,880
Like, I don't know if anyone 
listening. 

793
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,040
Do you know, like you cannot mix
bleach and ammonia? 

794
00:44:22,300 --> 00:44:25,300
I know, very toxic. 
You cannot mix bleach and 

795
00:44:25,300 --> 00:44:33,820
vinegar and some of you can. 
No, that creates like you didn't

796
00:44:33,820 --> 00:44:34,820
know that. 
Like that's the problem. 

797
00:44:34,820 --> 00:44:37,180
I could very easily. 
Oh yeah, because I certainly. 

798
00:44:37,180 --> 00:44:40,380
Do I didn't know that because I 
was like vinegar is like kind of

799
00:44:40,380 --> 00:44:43,860
natural, right? 
Like, yeah, no, you can. 

800
00:44:43,860 --> 00:44:47,660
I often use vinegar to clean 
like the shower. 

801
00:44:48,090 --> 00:44:51,290
Curtain Yeah, yeah, you can 
really die. 

802
00:44:51,290 --> 00:44:55,370
It creates like a really 
dangerous gas, toxic gas. 

803
00:44:55,530 --> 00:44:59,850
Yeah, it's not safe to breathe 
in, so this is just our little 

804
00:44:59,850 --> 00:45:01,130
PS:. 
I yeah. 

805
00:45:01,130 --> 00:45:06,210
So if you can't afford it, which
we can't get, but it's good to 

806
00:45:06,210 --> 00:45:09,050
bring in a professional. 
I know that cleaning is 

807
00:45:09,050 --> 00:45:14,290
dangerous. 
OK, April 10th, 1970, The 

808
00:45:14,290 --> 00:45:18,130
Beatles officially broke up to 
the public. 

809
00:45:18,370 --> 00:45:22,090
Paul publicly announced it, so 
he was largely blamed for it, 

810
00:45:22,090 --> 00:45:25,010
but it was actually John that 
first told the band he was 

811
00:45:25,010 --> 00:45:26,050
leaving. 
Yeah. 

812
00:45:26,530 --> 00:45:30,210
So it was a little unfair that 
Paul for a long time. 

813
00:45:30,210 --> 00:45:32,810
I mean, we're too young to 
remember, but people kind of 

814
00:45:32,970 --> 00:45:36,130
hated Paul because they thought 
that he broke up The Beatles. 

815
00:45:36,210 --> 00:45:39,410
But it's largely known that it 
was actually John that quit 

816
00:45:39,410 --> 00:45:41,330
first. 
Yeah, there are more legal 

817
00:45:41,330 --> 00:45:46,490
disputes, the whole thing with 
the in Laws and Allen Klein over

818
00:45:46,490 --> 00:45:50,050
royalties and creative control. 
And Paul was apparently very 

819
00:45:50,050 --> 00:45:52,890
depressed about The Beatles 
breaking up because there's kind

820
00:45:52,890 --> 00:45:55,090
of a loss of identity. 
You know, who was he? 

821
00:45:55,090 --> 00:45:59,250
If he wasn't a Beetle like he he
was Paul the Beetle Like who was

822
00:45:59,250 --> 00:46:01,090
he? 
Now he's drinking a lot and 

823
00:46:01,090 --> 00:46:04,090
smoking weed a lot, which 
apparently Linda did too. 

824
00:46:04,170 --> 00:46:07,450
But he was still productive 
despite all this. 

825
00:46:07,450 --> 00:46:13,780
He the same year released his 
first solo album, McCartney, 

826
00:46:14,500 --> 00:46:16,620
which has backing vocals by 
Linda. 

827
00:46:17,060 --> 00:46:20,220
And I gotta say, it's such a 
good album. 

828
00:46:20,300 --> 00:46:24,900
I I know if any Beatles fans are
listening or like McCartney fans

829
00:46:24,900 --> 00:46:27,140
are listening, they'll judge me 
for this. 

830
00:46:27,140 --> 00:46:30,940
But I never really listened to 
it until recently and it's so 

831
00:46:31,260 --> 00:46:34,660
good. 
And a lot of lyrics are clearly 

832
00:46:34,660 --> 00:46:36,140
about Linda. 
I mean, there's a song called 

833
00:46:36,140 --> 00:46:41,310
Lovely Linda and then the song 
every night I felt like was 

834
00:46:41,310 --> 00:46:44,870
about her, kind of. 
And then of course the song, I 

835
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:47,030
think everybody knows. 
Maybe I'm amazed. 

836
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:53,430
Maybe. 
I'm amazed the way you love me 

837
00:46:53,830 --> 00:46:58,790
all the time. 
Maybe I'm afraid of the way I 

838
00:46:58,790 --> 00:47:03,950
love you. 
Maybe I'm amazed the way you 

839
00:47:04,350 --> 00:47:09,500
pull me out. 
On me online. 

840
00:47:11,700 --> 00:47:14,260
Maybe. 
I'm amazed at the way I really 

841
00:47:14,380 --> 00:47:19,340
need you. 
Oh yeah, Yep, it's such a good 

842
00:47:19,340 --> 00:47:23,060
album. 
And then same year, same year as

843
00:47:23,060 --> 00:47:26,860
The Beatles Breaking Up and his 
first solo album, he starts 

844
00:47:26,860 --> 00:47:31,700
writing the album Ram with 
Linda, which is released in 1971

845
00:47:31,700 --> 00:47:33,980
under the name Paul and Linda 
McCartney. 

846
00:47:34,300 --> 00:47:37,580
And Sweet. 
Yeah, and Linda contributes 

847
00:47:37,940 --> 00:47:41,540
mostly to vocals. 
And I really love this album. 

848
00:47:41,540 --> 00:47:44,900
I love the song Uncle Albert, 
Admiral Halsey. 

849
00:47:44,900 --> 00:47:49,220
It's very fun and weird. 
I feel like it's Paul kind of 

850
00:47:49,220 --> 00:47:54,330
doing returning to like Yellow 
Submarine, A Day in the Life 

851
00:47:54,330 --> 00:47:56,490
kinda, you know, like sound 
effects and 

852
00:48:21,930 --> 00:48:24,090
just being really silly and 
doing different voices and 

853
00:48:24,090 --> 00:48:27,730
stuff. 
And the cover, the cover of both

854
00:48:27,730 --> 00:48:33,210
McCartney and this cover were 
shot by Linda, So Her Pictures, 

855
00:48:33,210 --> 00:48:36,890
which is pretty cool. 
Later in 1971, the band Wings 

856
00:48:36,890 --> 00:48:40,690
was formed. 
This is Paul's new band, his new

857
00:48:40,690 --> 00:48:45,730
thing after The Beatles. 
It was Paul, Linda and the 

858
00:48:45,730 --> 00:48:50,690
drummer Denny Saywell and the ex
guitarist from Moody Blues, 

859
00:48:51,140 --> 00:48:53,860
Danny Lane, and then later Henry
McCullough joined. 

860
00:48:54,220 --> 00:48:59,580
So this is a new band, Wings and
people were and still are very 

861
00:48:59,580 --> 00:49:03,660
critical of Linda's involvement 
in Wings because she was very 

862
00:49:03,660 --> 00:49:08,180
much an because I know because 
she was very much an amateur. 

863
00:49:08,180 --> 00:49:13,330
She wasn't a great singer. 
I mean, I think she did well 

864
00:49:13,330 --> 00:49:16,890
harmonizing like a lot of the 
songs, like even even on 

865
00:49:16,890 --> 00:49:19,730
McCartney and Bram, like she's 
kind of in the background. 

866
00:49:19,730 --> 00:49:21,410
But like, it adds a lot to the 
songs. 

867
00:49:21,490 --> 00:49:25,410
Yeah, but she wasn't a 
professional singer and Paul 

868
00:49:25,410 --> 00:49:28,490
taught her keyboard. 
But people accused her of only 

869
00:49:28,490 --> 00:49:31,650
playing like a couple notes and 
that she wasn't really doing 

870
00:49:31,650 --> 00:49:34,250
anything. 
Yeah, and that she and that she 

871
00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:37,930
wasn't a musician. 
And it really did seem like Paul

872
00:49:37,930 --> 00:49:41,130
wanted her there and just wanted
her to be in the band and wanted

873
00:49:41,130 --> 00:49:44,470
to be with her. 
So he brought her along and he 

874
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:47,190
always defended her like 
whenever, Like there's quotes of

875
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:50,030
him saying, like, you know, 
people say she's only playing 

876
00:49:50,030 --> 00:49:55,430
one note, but she's playing a 
Moog and what's it called? 

877
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:57,430
And it actually takes a lot of 
skill. 

878
00:49:57,430 --> 00:50:02,950
And it, yeah, it's kind of funny
because it reminds me of Taylor 

879
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:07,980
Swift randomly including Joe 
Alwyn and how people were. 

880
00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:12,900
And I mean, she's like kind of 
as big as Paul at the time. 

881
00:50:12,900 --> 00:50:16,780
And it's just like, imagine if 
Taylor came out with an album 

882
00:50:16,780 --> 00:50:20,660
with Joe and it wasn't clear 
what he really brought to the 

883
00:50:20,660 --> 00:50:26,100
music, but he was, you know, 
included in the byline and he 

884
00:50:26,100 --> 00:50:28,340
just did some like background 
vocals and you're just kind of 

885
00:50:28,340 --> 00:50:29,820
like. 
Wait, why is Joe? 

886
00:50:30,060 --> 00:50:32,750
Isn't that? 
Ignorant, Like, isn't that kind 

887
00:50:32,750 --> 00:50:34,350
of what happened with Joe 
Allwyn? 

888
00:50:34,350 --> 00:50:37,270
Like randomly, like he was 
credited as a writer? 

889
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:41,230
But I mean, maybe he did 
contribute, like, to the lyrics 

890
00:50:41,230 --> 00:50:44,430
and stuff, but yeah, I think 
it's like the same thing where 

891
00:50:44,430 --> 00:50:46,950
people were, huh? 
They're just like, huh? 

892
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:48,910
What did what did Linda actually
do like? 

893
00:50:49,070 --> 00:50:55,390
Yeah, it seems like she wouldn't
have any musical contributions 

894
00:50:55,390 --> 00:50:57,270
to somebody independent from 
Paul. 

895
00:50:57,470 --> 00:51:02,280
Yes, I think so. 
But it is kind of sweet. 

896
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,440
I mean, he really believed in 
her. 

897
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:09,160
And yeah, I don't know, it's 
it's an interesting thing. 

898
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,120
I think only someone as famous 
as like Paul McCartney or Taylor

899
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,240
Swift can do something like 
that, where they're just like, 

900
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:19,840
join me. 
Yeah, even though you don't 

901
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:23,440
really play any instruments like
just me in my band. 

902
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:28,400
Yeah, that's cute. 
You know it is cute. 

903
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,820
It is cute. 
And I mean, John did the same 

904
00:51:30,820 --> 00:51:33,060
thing with Fyoko. 
Oh yeah, he really did. 

905
00:51:34,060 --> 00:51:40,100
She was contributing some, like 
really weird ass stuff to her. 

906
00:51:40,100 --> 00:51:45,820
So she was, she was. 
And I think Linda has a fine 

907
00:51:45,820 --> 00:51:50,300
voice and her presence is very 
cheery in wings. 

908
00:51:50,620 --> 00:51:53,940
It's it's nice. 
She's like an emotional support 

909
00:51:53,940 --> 00:51:57,200
member. 
Yeah, I can't feel that way. 

910
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,120
I don't know if any. 
No, she was more than that, 

911
00:51:59,120 --> 00:51:59,680
yeah. 
But she was. 

912
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,520
She was. 
That's like a process of. 

913
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:02,280
Me. 
I'm sorry. 

914
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,600
Every member of the band is 
important, yes. 

915
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,520
So sometime in 1971, Linda 
apparently wrote a letter to 

916
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:13,960
John Lennon, and we don't know 
what she said exactly, but 

917
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,080
John's response is out there for
whatever reason. 

918
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,200
I don't know if Paul put it out 
there, I don't really know. 

919
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,360
But it was, it was actually 
auctioned off for thousands of 

920
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,610
dollars. 
So you can read John's response 

921
00:52:26,610 --> 00:52:29,170
to Linda, but we don't know what
Linda said to John. 

922
00:52:29,490 --> 00:52:33,050
But when you read John's letter,
you can kind of guess that Linda

923
00:52:33,050 --> 00:52:37,410
said something about like she 
was upset that Paul was being 

924
00:52:37,410 --> 00:52:41,810
blamed for the breakup and that 
she was also upset that John had

925
00:52:41,810 --> 00:52:44,050
said something negative about 
Paul in the press. 

926
00:52:45,130 --> 00:52:48,170
So this is John's letter to 
Linda I thought I would read. 

927
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:53,200
I was reading your letter and 
wondering what middle-aged 

928
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,760
cranky Beetle fan wrote it. 
I resisted looking at the last 

929
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,120
page to find out. 
I kept thinking who was it? 

930
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,480
Queenie Stewart's mother? 
Clive Epstein's wife, Alan 

931
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,160
Williams? 
What the hell? 

932
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,880
It's Linda. 
You really think the press are 

933
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,640
beneath me Slash you? 
Do you think that? 

934
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,520
Who do you think we slash? 
You are the self indulgent, 

935
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,800
doesn't realize who he's hurting
bit. 

936
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:21,150
I hope you realize what shit you
and the rest of my quote kind of

937
00:53:21,310 --> 00:53:25,790
kind and unselfish friends said 
on Yoko and me since we've been 

938
00:53:25,790 --> 00:53:27,870
together. 
It might have sometimes been a 

939
00:53:27,870 --> 00:53:31,510
bit more subtle, or should I say
quote middle class, but not 

940
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:34,030
often. 
We both quote rose above it 

941
00:53:34,030 --> 00:53:38,070
quite a few times and forgave 
you 2, so it's the least you can

942
00:53:38,070 --> 00:53:42,030
do for us, you noble people. 
Linda, if you don't care for 

943
00:53:42,030 --> 00:53:45,990
what I say, shut up. 
Let Paul write or whatever. 

944
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:50,510
When asked about what I thought 
originally concerning MBE, et 

945
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:53,310
cetera, I told them as best I 
can remember. 

946
00:53:53,550 --> 00:53:55,390
And I do remember squirming a 
little. 

947
00:53:55,390 --> 00:53:58,710
Don't you, Paul? 
Or do you, as I suspect, still 

948
00:53:58,710 --> 00:54:00,390
believe it all? 
Awfully give. 

949
00:54:00,510 --> 00:54:02,990
I'll forgive Paul for 
encouraging The Beatles if he 

950
00:54:02,990 --> 00:54:06,850
forgives me for the same for 
being quote honest with me and 

951
00:54:06,850 --> 00:54:09,410
caring too much. 
Quote Fucking hell, Linda, 

952
00:54:09,410 --> 00:54:11,250
you're not writing for Beatle 
book. 

953
00:54:11,690 --> 00:54:15,250
I'm not ashamed of The Beatles. 
I did start it all, but some of 

954
00:54:15,250 --> 00:54:20,290
the shit we took to make them so
big, I thought we all felt that 

955
00:54:20,290 --> 00:54:22,410
way in varying degrees. 
Obviously not. 

956
00:54:22,690 --> 00:54:25,690
Do you really think most of 
today's art came about because 

957
00:54:25,690 --> 00:54:27,690
of The Beatles? 
I don't believe you're that 

958
00:54:27,690 --> 00:54:29,930
insane, Paul. 
Do you believe that? 

959
00:54:30,310 --> 00:54:32,110
He's using, like, a lot of 
dashes? 

960
00:54:33,070 --> 00:54:36,830
So it's weird when you stop 
leaving it, you might wake up. 

961
00:54:36,830 --> 00:54:39,030
Didn't we always say that we 
were part of the movement? 

962
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:41,310
Not all of it, of course. 
We changed the world. 

963
00:54:41,470 --> 00:54:43,710
But try and follow it through in
capital letters. 

964
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:46,990
Get off your gold disc and fly. 
What? 

965
00:54:47,830 --> 00:54:49,710
Don't give me that Auntie Gin 
shit. 

966
00:54:49,710 --> 00:54:52,510
In five years I'll look back as 
this different person. 

967
00:54:52,830 --> 00:54:55,030
Don't you see? 
That's what's happening now? 

968
00:54:55,350 --> 00:54:59,180
And if only I knew then what? 
I know now. 

969
00:54:59,380 --> 00:55:00,980
You seem to have missed the 
point. 

970
00:55:01,180 --> 00:55:04,340
Excuse me if I use beetle space 
to talk about whatever I want. 

971
00:55:04,340 --> 00:55:07,460
Obviously if I they keep asking 
beetle questions, I'll answer 

972
00:55:07,460 --> 00:55:10,460
them and get as much John and 
Yoko space as I can. 

973
00:55:10,620 --> 00:55:12,300
They ask me about Paul and I 
answer. 

974
00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:15,740
I know some of it gets personal,
but whether you believe it or 

975
00:55:15,740 --> 00:55:18,820
not, I try and answer straight 
and the bits they use are 

976
00:55:18,820 --> 00:55:21,340
obviously the juicy bits. 
I don't resent your husband. 

977
00:55:21,620 --> 00:55:23,660
I'm sorry for him. 
I know the Beetles are quite 

978
00:55:23,660 --> 00:55:25,900
nice people. 
I'm one of them. 

979
00:55:26,020 --> 00:55:29,220
They're also just as big 
bastards as anyone else, so get 

980
00:55:29,220 --> 00:55:31,820
off your high horse. 
By the way, we've had more 

981
00:55:31,820 --> 00:55:35,140
intelligent interest in our new 
activities in one year than we 

982
00:55:35,140 --> 00:55:38,580
had throughout The Beatles era. 
Finally, about not telling 

983
00:55:38,580 --> 00:55:42,700
anyone that I left The Beatles, 
Paul and Cline both spent the 

984
00:55:42,700 --> 00:55:45,420
day persuading me it was better 
not to say anything. 

985
00:55:45,420 --> 00:55:47,420
Ask me not to say anything, 
because it would hurt The 

986
00:55:47,420 --> 00:55:50,580
Beatles and let's just get the 
Peter out, remember? 

987
00:55:50,580 --> 00:55:53,780
So get that into your Pretty 
Little perversion of a mind, 

988
00:55:53,780 --> 00:55:56,700
Missus McCartney. 
The Kants asked me to keep quiet

989
00:55:56,700 --> 00:55:58,860
about it. 
Of course the money angle is 

990
00:55:58,860 --> 00:56:01,460
important to all of us, 
especially after all the petty 

991
00:56:01,460 --> 00:56:04,420
shit that came from your insane 
family. 

992
00:56:04,500 --> 00:56:07,580
Slash inlaws and God help you 
out, Paul. 

993
00:56:08,060 --> 00:56:11,340
See you to see you. 
In two years, I'll reckon you'll

994
00:56:11,340 --> 00:56:15,900
be out then, in spite of it all,
love to you both from us too. 

995
00:56:15,900 --> 00:56:17,660
PS:. 
About addressing your letter to 

996
00:56:17,660 --> 00:56:19,860
just me. 
Still. 

997
00:56:20,780 --> 00:56:23,180
And he actually wrote to just 
Yoko. 

998
00:56:23,180 --> 00:56:25,980
And then he crossed out Yoko and
wrote me. 

999
00:56:26,260 --> 00:56:29,560
So it seems like he's upset that
they weren't. 

1000
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,240
She didn't address the letter to
him and Yoko. 

1001
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:34,520
That's just odd. 
Yeah. 

1002
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,920
You know. 
Like, is he not his own 

1003
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:41,280
individual person? 
I know helped him write the 

1004
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:47,000
letter. 
Maybe it's very there's a lot of

1005
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,120
capital letters and a lot of 
dashes. 

1006
00:56:49,820 --> 00:56:51,300
Very angry. 
Yeah. 

1007
00:56:52,060 --> 00:56:53,580
Yeah. 
So seemed like they were 

1008
00:56:53,580 --> 00:56:56,860
fighting. 
There some bad blood. 

1009
00:56:56,980 --> 00:56:59,260
It is interesting. 
He's like addressing it to 

1010
00:56:59,260 --> 00:57:01,420
Linda, but like, it's also to 
Paul. 

1011
00:57:02,020 --> 00:57:02,980
Yeah. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1012
00:57:02,980 --> 00:57:07,180
I wonder if Paul helped Linda 
write it, If maybe she. 

1013
00:57:07,180 --> 00:57:10,820
Knew that she was. 
I don't know. 

1014
00:57:11,460 --> 00:57:15,620
I didn't know that. 
I don't know that Linda was 

1015
00:57:15,620 --> 00:57:20,070
involved in any kind of fights 
or attention, so it's just 

1016
00:57:20,070 --> 00:57:25,390
interesting. 
In 1971, Paul and Linda as a 

1017
00:57:25,390 --> 00:57:29,550
single released the song Another
Day, which is one of my 

1018
00:57:29,550 --> 00:57:32,390
favorites. 
It's very Day in life talks 

1019
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:35,870
about a girl slipping into 
stockings, stepping into shoes 

1020
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:38,350
at the office, drinks another 
coffee. 

1021
00:57:38,350 --> 00:57:42,390
It's very lyrics like that, and 
in the lyrics book, Paul said. 

1022
00:57:42,750 --> 00:57:45,510
The person I'm gazing at here 
just so happens to be a version 

1023
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:48,310
of Linda living alone in New 
York before I met her. 

1024
00:57:48,690 --> 00:57:51,650
I like to think that I'm the man
of her dreams who shows up and 

1025
00:57:51,650 --> 00:57:53,490
then this isn't really related 
to Linda. 

1026
00:57:53,490 --> 00:57:56,570
But I just liked what he said 
about this song, He said Think 

1027
00:57:56,650 --> 00:57:59,570
Eleanor Rigby meets Hitchcock's 
Rear Window. 

1028
00:57:59,570 --> 00:58:03,250
For much as I hate to admit it, 
there is a bit of a voyeuristic 

1029
00:58:03,290 --> 00:58:06,330
aspect to this song. 
Like many writers, I'm a bit of 

1030
00:58:06,330 --> 00:58:08,250
a voyeur. 
If there's a lit window and 

1031
00:58:08,250 --> 00:58:11,290
someone's in it, I will watch 
them hands up guilty. 

1032
00:58:11,330 --> 00:58:13,850
It's a very natural thing. 
Hands up. 

1033
00:58:13,850 --> 00:58:18,050
Guilty. 
I relate. 

1034
00:58:20,730 --> 00:58:22,610
I'm very curious about people 
too. 

1035
00:58:22,890 --> 00:58:27,090
I mean this old podcast. 
Yeah, yeah, no shit. 

1036
00:58:28,130 --> 00:58:30,610
I feel like Paul would 
understand this podcast. 

1037
00:58:30,810 --> 00:58:33,890
I think he would too. 
It's art, yeah. 

1038
00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:36,090
And he's written a lot of love 
songs. 

1039
00:58:36,090 --> 00:58:40,210
He's, I would say, like the most
sentimental of The Beatles, I 

1040
00:58:40,210 --> 00:58:41,410
think. 
I think he'd like it. 

1041
00:58:41,770 --> 00:58:43,850
Yeah. 
Should we get him on the show? 

1042
00:58:46,730 --> 00:58:50,090
That would be a crazy. 
Guess Oh my. 

1043
00:58:50,530 --> 00:58:52,210
We should try. 
Just kidding. 

1044
00:58:54,930 --> 00:58:59,010
Do you say we should try? 
Yeah, yeah, let's e-mail his 

1045
00:58:59,770 --> 00:59:04,090
manager. 
Whatever. 

1046
00:59:04,290 --> 00:59:07,090
September 1971. 
Wow. 

1047
00:59:07,090 --> 00:59:08,770
I can't believe we're still in 
like the early 70s. 

1048
00:59:08,970 --> 00:59:11,890
It moves faster later, though. 
It's not going to be like this 

1049
00:59:13,210 --> 00:59:16,010
slow. 
Their daughter Stella was born. 

1050
00:59:16,090 --> 00:59:20,450
You guys may have heard of her. 
Stella McCartney, the fashion 

1051
00:59:20,450 --> 00:59:21,490
designer. 
Crazy. 

1052
00:59:21,490 --> 00:59:24,530
I actually didn't know that that
was their daughter until like a 

1053
00:59:24,530 --> 00:59:27,730
couple years ago. 
Yeah, so you know, she really 

1054
00:59:28,130 --> 00:59:31,170
made a name for herself, Yeah. 
In like a different industry. 

1055
00:59:31,820 --> 00:59:34,820
Yeah, I mean, I guess the her 
mom was a photographer. 

1056
00:59:34,940 --> 00:59:37,340
Fashion Similar. 
That's true. 

1057
00:59:37,340 --> 00:59:38,780
Yeah. 
Yeah, that's true. 

1058
00:59:38,780 --> 00:59:40,820
Yeah. 
Her mom probably knew a lot of 

1059
00:59:40,820 --> 00:59:42,900
magazine people. 
Yeah. 

1060
00:59:42,900 --> 00:59:46,620
There's a little bit in 
nepotism, little nepotism. 

1061
00:59:49,580 --> 00:59:51,860
But Stella, you've done great 
for yourself. 

1062
00:59:52,060 --> 00:59:57,600
Yeah, you know, it's it's, it's 
good to see someone actually 

1063
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,360
have talent if they're gonna be 
an ebo baby, You know? 

1064
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:01,520
Exactly. 
Yeah. 

1065
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,360
I think people just don't like 
it when they don't have talent. 

1066
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:09,960
Yeah, yeah, usually. 
But they're usually they do. 

1067
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:14,040
But no, not always. 
I think people get upset when 

1068
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,760
someone is an EBO baby and they 
are famous, but they don't have 

1069
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,040
the talent to support it, you 
know? 

1070
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,240
Yeah, exactly. 
I mean, it's just the hardest 

1071
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:25,240
thing is to even get in the 
door. 

1072
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:29,480
So it's frustrating. 
I mean, honestly, these days it 

1073
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,640
seems like everybody is a 
nepotism baby, you know? 

1074
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:38,080
Seriously, it is like a royal 
class or something. 

1075
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,520
Yeah, but there's really no way 
to regulate that. 

1076
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,360
I mean, you can't fall people 
for using their connections. 

1077
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:46,840
That's what people have to do. 
There is no way to regulate, 

1078
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,620
yeah. 
I don't want to live in a 

1079
01:00:50,620 --> 01:00:53,460
society that's like regulating. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1080
01:00:53,460 --> 01:00:55,340
You can't say the double ace 
from your parents. 

1081
01:00:55,340 --> 01:00:58,060
So yeah, you can't say the 
people can't get ahead because 

1082
01:00:58,060 --> 01:01:03,100
they have connections. 
Anyway, Wings went on tour. 

1083
01:01:03,380 --> 01:01:05,340
1973. 
Wings released their second 

1084
01:01:05,340 --> 01:01:09,740
album, Red Rose Speedway. 
Linda's photo is used as the 

1085
01:01:09,740 --> 01:01:12,460
cover. 
Then McCullough and say well 

1086
01:01:12,460 --> 01:01:17,190
left wings. 
So now the band is just Paul, 

1087
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:20,390
Linda and the guitarist Denny 
Lane. 

1088
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:23,710
OK, he's not really a third 
wheel. 

1089
01:01:24,430 --> 01:01:27,310
Yeah, people, yeah. 
And people were still really 

1090
01:01:27,310 --> 01:01:30,550
critical of Linda's involvement 
in Wings. 

1091
01:01:30,550 --> 01:01:34,550
But like, why do people care? 
It's not, like, hurting the 

1092
01:01:34,550 --> 01:01:36,950
band. 
I know. 

1093
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:38,990
It's like she she was there from
the beginning when it was 

1094
01:01:38,990 --> 01:01:40,150
formed. 
It's not like she just, like, 

1095
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:42,430
joined it. 
I know. 

1096
01:01:43,170 --> 01:01:46,810
Like let them. 
Be December 1973, they released 

1097
01:01:46,810 --> 01:01:51,850
a very successful album, Band on
the Run, and Rolling Stone named

1098
01:01:51,850 --> 01:01:55,610
it best album of the year. 
Oh wow, that's a huge 

1099
01:01:55,610 --> 01:01:57,850
achievement. 
It is. 

1100
01:01:58,730 --> 01:02:02,450
It is a great album. 
September 12, 1977 Paul and 

1101
01:02:02,450 --> 01:02:05,770
Linda had their son James, so 
now they have 4 kids. 

1102
01:02:06,490 --> 01:02:11,210
And yeah, they're living a very 
grounded, normal life, mostly on

1103
01:02:11,210 --> 01:02:13,910
the farm. 
As I said, they had no nannies 

1104
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:18,190
or housekeepers even and 
families living as vegetarians 

1105
01:02:18,190 --> 01:02:23,150
is very, very farmy very country
up in Scotland. 

1106
01:02:23,350 --> 01:02:26,990
That's sweet. 
December 8th 1980. 

1107
01:02:28,310 --> 01:02:33,470
This is when John Lennon was 
tragically shot and killed, as 

1108
01:02:33,470 --> 01:02:37,070
we discussed very in depth 
episode 3. 

1109
01:02:37,470 --> 01:02:39,870
Even though you know earlier I 
read that letter from John. 

1110
01:02:40,340 --> 01:02:45,420
Around this time, Paul and Linda
had really patched up their 

1111
01:02:45,420 --> 01:02:48,300
relationship with Johnny. 
Yoko and Paul and John were 

1112
01:02:48,300 --> 01:02:52,020
hanging out again, casually 
playing music again. 

1113
01:02:52,020 --> 01:02:55,100
So I know. 
So it is nice that they were on 

1114
01:02:55,100 --> 01:02:58,540
bedded terms now. 
But yeah, it is so sad. 

1115
01:02:58,900 --> 01:03:03,220
And Linda actually took a 
picture of Paul from her car 

1116
01:03:03,220 --> 01:03:05,780
window and it shows Paul buying 
a newspaper. 

1117
01:03:05,780 --> 01:03:07,380
He's kind of like hunched over 
and. 

1118
01:03:07,980 --> 01:03:11,500
All around him are all these 
papers and signs that say John 

1119
01:03:11,500 --> 01:03:14,060
Lennon shot Oh my God, I don't 
think I've ever seen him. 

1120
01:03:14,060 --> 01:03:18,340
I haven't seen that photo. 
It's like the day after John 

1121
01:03:18,540 --> 01:03:22,860
died. 
I know it's very heartbreaking. 

1122
01:03:23,140 --> 01:03:28,300
Another hard time, wings 
actually broke up, but Paul kept

1123
01:03:28,300 --> 01:03:30,700
making music. 
I think Linda kind of stepped 

1124
01:03:30,700 --> 01:03:35,740
back from it. 1987 Linda's first
major photography exhibition 

1125
01:03:35,740 --> 01:03:38,130
happened in. 
Bath, England. 

1126
01:03:38,570 --> 01:03:41,170
She had had shows over the 
years, but this was a big 

1127
01:03:41,170 --> 01:03:45,090
exhibit at the Royal 
Photographic Society, so it was 

1128
01:03:45,090 --> 01:03:48,650
a big achievement for her. 
In 1987, Paul and Linda were on 

1129
01:03:48,650 --> 01:03:53,410
the Wogan Show and she was asked
if she ever felt in Paul's 

1130
01:03:53,410 --> 01:03:56,530
shadow. 
And I actually have a clip I 

1131
01:03:56,530 --> 01:03:59,490
would like to play. 
Being married to Paul McCartney,

1132
01:03:59,490 --> 01:04:01,650
it's very easy to live in the 
shadow, isn't it? 

1133
01:04:02,130 --> 01:04:04,730
Did you did you feel a necessity
to to break out? 

1134
01:04:05,740 --> 01:04:06,940
No, I'm not really worried about
that. 

1135
01:04:06,940 --> 01:04:09,860
Living in the shadow, you know, 
I I love life and I'll just have

1136
01:04:09,860 --> 01:04:13,180
a good time. 
Shadow or no shadow, do you 

1137
01:04:13,180 --> 01:04:15,540
encourage Linda to to go out and
do this stuff as well? 

1138
01:04:15,820 --> 01:04:18,860
No, it is true, you know, 
because she's my wife. 

1139
01:04:19,140 --> 01:04:22,020
Some people do look at her and 
sort of think, oh, it's the only

1140
01:04:22,020 --> 01:04:24,060
reason people look at her photos
is because it's. 

1141
01:04:24,220 --> 01:04:27,820
Exactly. 
The wife of the fella, but she's

1142
01:04:27,820 --> 01:04:29,900
a really good photographer. 
One of the best, I reckon. 

1143
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:38,270
Well, it seemed like she had 
already achieved success before 

1144
01:04:38,270 --> 01:04:40,030
she met Paul. 
Like, didn't you say that she 

1145
01:04:40,030 --> 01:04:42,230
was the first woman to be 
featured on, what was it? 

1146
01:04:42,350 --> 01:04:45,910
Rolling Stone. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, she was. 

1147
01:04:46,590 --> 01:04:50,030
I know that's just that just 
happens, you know. 

1148
01:04:50,470 --> 01:04:56,150
In 1989, Linda published the 
Linda McCartney's Home Cooking 

1149
01:04:57,390 --> 01:05:01,390
is a Vegetarian cookbook. 
It was the biggest selling 

1150
01:05:01,390 --> 01:05:04,030
vegetarian cookbook ever in the 
UK and. 

1151
01:05:04,410 --> 01:05:06,890
Was a bestseller in the States 
as well. 

1152
01:05:07,570 --> 01:05:10,530
Wow. 
And by the way, guys, I know I'm

1153
01:05:10,530 --> 01:05:13,730
skipping over a lot, but this is
just, you know, this one of 

1154
01:05:13,730 --> 01:05:17,410
those big couples. 
It's it's hard to you can't cut 

1155
01:05:17,410 --> 01:05:19,850
everything. 
Yeah, so a lot of things that 

1156
01:05:19,850 --> 01:05:23,250
kind of consolidated, but I know
that there's things being left 

1157
01:05:23,250 --> 01:05:28,530
out. 1991 Linda formed the Linda
McCartney Foods, a line of 

1158
01:05:28,530 --> 01:05:32,860
frozen vegetarian meals. 
And it's still a company to this

1159
01:05:32,900 --> 01:05:36,260
day. 
It oh wow, frozen food, healthy 

1160
01:05:36,260 --> 01:05:39,900
vegetarian, vegan frozen meals. 
And it's in supermarkets in the 

1161
01:05:39,940 --> 01:05:44,180
UK, Norway, Ireland, Austria, 
Australia, South Africa and New 

1162
01:05:44,180 --> 01:05:46,700
Zealand. 
But we don't have it in the US. 

1163
01:05:46,700 --> 01:05:50,780
So I actually had never heard of
it, but I think it's kind of 

1164
01:05:50,780 --> 01:05:54,580
like that brand Amy's, you know?
Oh, wow, wow. 

1165
01:05:54,580 --> 01:05:57,380
She was an entrepreneur. 
I know. 

1166
01:05:58,130 --> 01:06:01,290
Yeah, I think it's actually like
quite a popular brand, but we 

1167
01:06:01,290 --> 01:06:04,530
just don't have it here. 
So wow, Frozen. 

1168
01:06:04,570 --> 01:06:06,450
But if it is. 
I know. 

1169
01:06:06,450 --> 01:06:10,890
I bet if it was here I would buy
it because I do buy frozen 

1170
01:06:10,970 --> 01:06:13,050
meals. 
I do not. 

1171
01:06:16,690 --> 01:06:19,690
In the back of the box, the 
packaging, it has Linda's 

1172
01:06:19,690 --> 01:06:22,570
pictures and signature actually 
like on Google. 

1173
01:06:22,570 --> 01:06:24,050
It seems like a lot of people 
Google. 

1174
01:06:25,470 --> 01:06:28,510
Is Linda McCartney food related 
to Paul McCartney? 

1175
01:06:28,510 --> 01:06:31,670
Like, some people don't know or 
they're confused. 

1176
01:06:31,670 --> 01:06:36,590
So Yep, that's the same Linda, 
but very sadly. 

1177
01:06:36,590 --> 01:06:43,750
In 1995, Linda was diagnosed 
with breast cancer, and she 

1178
01:06:43,750 --> 01:06:49,310
began grueling chemotherapy and 
surgeries in 1997. 

1179
01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:51,590
She's still going through 
treatment and everything. 

1180
01:06:52,170 --> 01:06:53,770
Paul was by her side through 
everything. 

1181
01:06:54,050 --> 01:06:57,570
Paul released the song Calico 
Skies, which is supposed to be 

1182
01:06:57,570 --> 01:06:59,610
about Linda. 
I mean, I think most of his 

1183
01:06:59,610 --> 01:07:03,970
songs around this time are, but 
in the lyrics, he says. 

1184
01:07:03,970 --> 01:07:06,810
It was written that I would love
you from the moment I opened my 

1185
01:07:06,850 --> 01:07:10,570
eyes in the morning when I first
saw you Gave me life under 

1186
01:07:10,570 --> 01:07:13,690
Calico skies. 
I will hold you for as long as 

1187
01:07:13,690 --> 01:07:15,490
you like. 
I will hold you for the rest of 

1188
01:07:15,650 --> 01:07:21,650
my life and in that lyrics book 
that you gave me, Paul said. 

1189
01:07:22,500 --> 01:07:26,340
If Linda was asked what her sign
was, she used to say no parking.

1190
01:07:26,740 --> 01:07:29,540
I never paid much attention to 
astrology, and I think that's 

1191
01:07:29,540 --> 01:07:32,100
because there was endless 
chatter about star signs in the 

1192
01:07:32,100 --> 01:07:34,420
60s. 
For what it's worth, I'm a 

1193
01:07:34,420 --> 01:07:37,940
Gemini. 
But then he went on to say that 

1194
01:07:37,940 --> 01:07:40,580
the song was kind of about like 
fate, and that it was written in

1195
01:07:40,580 --> 01:07:42,940
the stars, that he was destined 
to be with Linda. 

1196
01:07:45,140 --> 01:07:48,060
I just thought that shows, like,
how she's kind of funny and 

1197
01:07:48,380 --> 01:07:49,900
chill girl. 
Like, yeah. 

1198
01:07:50,540 --> 01:07:52,740
What's your sign? 
No parking. 

1199
01:07:52,780 --> 01:07:55,020
That's cute. 
I want to say that next time 

1200
01:07:55,020 --> 01:07:57,420
someone asks me. 
But for what? 

1201
01:07:57,420 --> 01:08:03,900
It works on the Gemini. 
Yeah, and then 1998 in Tucson, 

1202
01:08:04,020 --> 01:08:08,580
AZ, April 17th. 
Linda sadly died of breast 

1203
01:08:08,580 --> 01:08:13,470
cancer at the age of 56. 
Same thing that Paul's mother 

1204
01:08:13,470 --> 01:08:16,270
had died from. 
Oh my gosh, that's tragic. 

1205
01:08:16,790 --> 01:08:18,990
So young. 
Wait, so Arizona. 

1206
01:08:18,990 --> 01:08:21,510
That's, that's what are what 
were they doing there? 

1207
01:08:21,510 --> 01:08:23,350
Did they live in Arizona? 
Did you say that? 

1208
01:08:23,870 --> 01:08:26,590
Well, she went to school there 
and I think she just really 

1209
01:08:26,590 --> 01:08:30,189
liked it there, so yeah. 
They had returned there. 

1210
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:33,470
OK Yeah, that's awful. 
I know. 

1211
01:08:33,670 --> 01:08:36,109
And the kids were the kids 
pretty young. 

1212
01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:42,750
Heather was 36. 
Mary was 27, Stella was 26, and 

1213
01:08:42,750 --> 01:08:45,950
James was only 21. 
Oh, that's awful. 

1214
01:08:46,390 --> 01:08:49,950
I know. 
And Paul and Linda had been 

1215
01:08:49,950 --> 01:08:54,950
horseback riding together only 
days before, but the cancer had 

1216
01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:58,790
spread to her liver and the end 
came rather quickly, actually. 

1217
01:08:58,790 --> 01:09:01,790
Oh, that's awful. 
And this is kind of 

1218
01:09:01,790 --> 01:09:06,109
controversial, but Paul has said
that he knew that she only had 

1219
01:09:06,109 --> 01:09:08,750
about a week or days to live 
before her death. 

1220
01:09:09,250 --> 01:09:12,370
But that he decided not to tell 
her, he said. 

1221
01:09:12,370 --> 01:09:14,250
I didn't think she'd want to 
know. 

1222
01:09:15,810 --> 01:09:20,090
Oh my gosh. 
I was thinking a lot about this,

1223
01:09:20,090 --> 01:09:22,330
though. 
I mean, I think that she clearly

1224
01:09:22,330 --> 01:09:26,649
knew she was dying. 
I think the like a person knows.

1225
01:09:27,090 --> 01:09:29,250
Yeah, and she had stage 4 
cancer. 

1226
01:09:29,250 --> 01:09:32,770
So it's not like she didn't. 
It's not that she didn't know 

1227
01:09:32,770 --> 01:09:34,770
she had cancer. 
She knew she had cancer. 

1228
01:09:34,770 --> 01:09:37,130
She knew. 
Where it had spread and 

1229
01:09:37,130 --> 01:09:40,330
everything, she just didn't 
know, the doctor said. 

1230
01:09:40,450 --> 01:09:43,569
It might be like this week or 
anything, but I do think, you 

1231
01:09:43,569 --> 01:09:46,970
know, sometimes at the end of 
someone's life, it's not really 

1232
01:09:46,970 --> 01:09:52,810
the time to be completely honest
or to be real or to be harsh, 

1233
01:09:52,810 --> 01:09:55,170
yeah. 
And I mean, this is just my 

1234
01:09:55,170 --> 01:09:57,050
opinion. 
I know this is very 

1235
01:09:57,250 --> 01:10:00,570
controversial, but I do think 
that the mind and body are very 

1236
01:10:00,570 --> 01:10:03,290
connected and that like if she 
knew. 

1237
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:07,240
She was going to die that week. 
She might completely lose hope 

1238
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:10,920
and, you know, might have 
actually lost a few days or so. 

1239
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:14,840
So yeah, I mean, it's a very 
tough, very tough call. 

1240
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,840
That is really tough. 
I understand that though not 

1241
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:22,440
wanting the person their last 
few days to be wrought with fear

1242
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:25,920
and sadness, like the fact that 
they were able to go horseback 

1243
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:31,040
riding and to still live with 
hope of tomorrow, I think it 

1244
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,610
makes it a lot less scary. 
Mmhmm. 

1245
01:10:34,610 --> 01:10:36,410
Uh. 
And she definitely knew. 

1246
01:10:36,450 --> 01:10:39,450
I mean, it's not like she had no
idea she had cancer or anything.

1247
01:10:39,490 --> 01:10:41,530
Yeah. 
And I think, like you said, the 

1248
01:10:41,530 --> 01:10:43,930
mind and body are connected, 
that it's like you might not 

1249
01:10:43,930 --> 01:10:46,850
need to tell somebody that for 
them to know that's true. 

1250
01:10:46,930 --> 01:10:48,850
Like you don't know. 
You don't know what that feels 

1251
01:10:48,850 --> 01:10:53,210
like to be in that position. 
True, uh, but that is a tough 

1252
01:10:53,210 --> 01:10:56,490
situation though, 'cause I could
see the other side of it being 

1253
01:10:56,490 --> 01:11:01,080
like. 
Yeah, Um, I don't know. 

1254
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:04,840
I mean, I I think ultimately 
like, I don't know if I would 

1255
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:06,800
do. 
I don't know what I would do. 

1256
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,920
That's a really hard situation. 
But like, I guess someone might 

1257
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,800
be able to like if they had some
type of regret or if there was 

1258
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,440
something that they really 
wanted to do, call somebody up, 

1259
01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:19,120
like to give them that chance. 
But obviously she she knew she 

1260
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:23,440
was going to pass away, so. 
When I first read that, I, like,

1261
01:11:23,480 --> 01:11:25,680
almost didn't believe it because
I did think it was bad. 

1262
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,840
It was like, oh man, I feel like
you should tell somebody, but. 

1263
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:32,520
I started reading a bunch of 
people's stories, and it kind of

1264
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:37,200
convinced me that maybe it's not
so bad to keep it from someone 

1265
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:40,560
because, yeah, it does give them
a little hope. 

1266
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:46,200
And oh, that's so funny. 
I mean, maybe, maybe the person 

1267
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,440
themself is hoping that it won't
actually happen. 

1268
01:11:49,480 --> 01:11:51,880
Yeah. 
In Denial tell, you know. 

1269
01:11:52,440 --> 01:11:54,200
Yeah, I don't know. 
It's very tough. 

1270
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:57,560
It's interesting that doctors 
would tell him, but not I know. 

1271
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:02,680
And I was reading all these 
people's stories talking about 

1272
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:04,400
this, and it seems like it is a 
common thing. 

1273
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:08,520
I don't know why or how. 
That's interesting. 

1274
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:13,160
Yeah, Paul said his last words 
to Linda were you're up on your 

1275
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:16,800
beautiful Appaloosa stallion. 
It's a fine spring day. 

1276
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,800
We're riding through the woods, 
the blue bells are all out and 

1277
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:23,760
the sky is a clear blue. 
I had barely got to the end of 

1278
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,600
the sentence when she closed her
eyes and gently slipped away. 

1279
01:12:27,890 --> 01:12:30,770
Our family is so close that her 
passing left a huge hole in our 

1280
01:12:30,770 --> 01:12:33,450
lives. 
We will never get over it, but I

1281
01:12:33,450 --> 01:12:36,370
think we will come to accept it.
Total heartbreak. 

1282
01:12:37,490 --> 01:12:41,570
My gosh, I. 
Know life is so full of 

1283
01:12:42,170 --> 01:12:43,970
suffering. 
It's awful. 

1284
01:12:44,690 --> 01:12:46,610
I mean, it's beautiful and awful
like that. 

1285
01:12:46,610 --> 01:12:49,170
You can love so deeply that. 
It's just. 

1286
01:12:49,890 --> 01:12:52,210
I can't imagine how emotional 
that must have been. 

1287
01:12:53,050 --> 01:12:57,370
I know. 
Linda was cremated in Tucson, 

1288
01:12:57,570 --> 01:13:00,410
but her ashes were taken back to
England, where Paul spread them 

1289
01:13:00,410 --> 01:13:05,090
on their family farm. 
Memorial service was held at 

1290
01:13:05,090 --> 01:13:07,890
Saint Martin in Fields in 
London, with friends and family 

1291
01:13:07,890 --> 01:13:11,650
in attendance including George 
Harrison, Ringo Starr, Billy 

1292
01:13:11,650 --> 01:13:16,450
Joel, Elton John, David Gilmour 
and Peter Gabriel among a 

1293
01:13:16,450 --> 01:13:20,890
congregation of 700 people. 
And during the service, Paul 

1294
01:13:20,890 --> 01:13:23,930
spoke and said after she died, I
was thinking of her and I 

1295
01:13:23,930 --> 01:13:27,050
thought of her like a diamond, a
big orange diamond. 

1296
01:13:27,050 --> 01:13:29,970
And if you looked at all the 
fats facets of the diamond, as 

1297
01:13:29,970 --> 01:13:32,330
with every facet you looked at, 
she was greater. 

1298
01:13:33,330 --> 01:13:34,810
But. 
And he said that he couldn't 

1299
01:13:34,810 --> 01:13:37,770
believe that his wife of nearly 
30 years was dead. 

1300
01:13:37,770 --> 01:13:39,850
But I have to, because it's 
true. 

1301
01:13:40,930 --> 01:13:45,650
And then the Brodsky Quartet 
played eight songs that he wrote

1302
01:13:45,650 --> 01:13:47,930
for his wife, including the 
lovely Linda. 

1303
01:13:48,440 --> 01:13:52,280
From Calico Skies and a single 
pipe player played Mull of 

1304
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:55,720
Kintyre which was kind of 
inspired by their Scotland farm 

1305
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:01,720
and was a wings song and then 
apparently everybody there 

1306
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:06,480
saying let it be, which I feel 
like I would just start. 

1307
01:14:06,930 --> 01:14:12,330
Falling like 700 people singing 
Let it be I cry about it right 

1308
01:14:12,330 --> 01:14:14,890
now. 
My gosh I have chills right now.

1309
01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:36,880
After her death, along with 
eight other British composers, 

1310
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:41,160
he created a choral album, A 
Garland for Linda, which was a 

1311
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,160
classical album dedicated to 
her. 

1312
01:14:15,210 --> 01:14:17,850
That's such a beautiful song 
though to play cuz I mean even 

1313
01:14:17,850 --> 01:14:21,170
how he said like I can't believe
it but I have to believe it. 

1314
01:14:21,170 --> 01:14:24,890
It's like, I mean that really is
like with let it be like yeah, 

1315
01:14:24,890 --> 01:14:28,050
there's nothing you can do. 
Like it's beyond your control, 

1316
01:14:31,090 --> 01:14:47,040
so. 
And then he also really sweetly 

1317
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:52,720
compiled Linda's solo songs and 
released the album Wild Prairie 

1318
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:55,840
by Linda McCartney. 
And it includes 13 original 

1319
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:59,120
songs by Linda, most never heard
by the public before. 

1320
01:14:59,480 --> 01:15:02,260
Oh wow, what a tribute to her. 
I know. 

1321
01:15:02,300 --> 01:15:04,900
And it's it's nice because, you 
know, a lot of times people were

1322
01:15:04,900 --> 01:15:09,940
saying like she's not a musician
and then he published this 

1323
01:15:09,940 --> 01:15:11,340
album. 
It's just her. 

1324
01:15:11,340 --> 01:15:15,580
So yeah, it was nice. 
Paul has said that during their 

1325
01:15:15,820 --> 01:15:19,060
30 year relationship they only 
spent eleven nights apart. 

1326
01:15:19,100 --> 01:15:22,500
Wow. 
I know that's incredible. 

1327
01:15:22,860 --> 01:15:26,980
I know. 
And most of those were actually 

1328
01:15:26,980 --> 01:15:30,060
against their will because he 
got arrested in. 

1329
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:34,840
Tokyo for having marijuana. 
So we had to go to jail for like

1330
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:37,040
10 days. 
So what? 

1331
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:40,920
So ten of those He was in jail. 
That doesn't count. 

1332
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:44,560
Wow. 
So that's cute that, you know, 

1333
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,320
like, I wonder what the other 
day was. 

1334
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:49,560
I know. 
Wow. 

1335
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:50,640
I don't know. 
Try. 

1336
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,680
My parents have been married 
over a little, a little bit more

1337
01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:55,800
than 30 years. 
I wonder how many nights they've

1338
01:15:55,800 --> 01:16:01,730
spent apart. 
I had to guess maybe like 50. 

1339
01:16:01,730 --> 01:16:04,970
Hmm, six. 
It's pretty low. 

1340
01:16:04,970 --> 01:16:07,370
I don't know. 
Yeah, I guess that is pretty 

1341
01:16:07,370 --> 01:16:09,850
low. 
But for celebrity, it's not like

1342
01:16:09,850 --> 01:16:13,770
I know, you know, traveling all 
the time independently. 

1343
01:16:14,650 --> 01:16:16,170
They just did everything 
together. 

1344
01:16:16,290 --> 01:16:18,890
Wow. 
There have been many exhibits 

1345
01:16:19,250 --> 01:16:22,850
since her death of Linda's 
photography, which is really 

1346
01:16:22,850 --> 01:16:29,220
nice and Paul told BBC Radio. 
I think I cried for about a 

1347
01:16:29,220 --> 01:16:32,740
year, on and off. 
You expect to see them walk in 

1348
01:16:32,740 --> 01:16:35,060
this person you love because 
you're so used to them. 

1349
01:16:35,060 --> 01:16:37,220
I cried a lot. 
It was almost embarrassing, 

1350
01:16:37,220 --> 01:16:39,860
except it seemed the only thing 
to do, yeah. 

1351
01:16:41,700 --> 01:16:45,740
And then in September 1998, he 
didn't interview with Jules 

1352
01:16:45,740 --> 01:16:46,980
Holland. 
And about Linda. 

1353
01:16:46,980 --> 01:16:50,780
He said as a wife, Linda was the
best that anyone could ever 

1354
01:16:50,780 --> 01:16:52,500
want. 
I always thought of her as my 

1355
01:16:52,500 --> 01:16:54,460
girlfriend. 
I still do, really. 

1356
01:16:54,780 --> 01:16:56,260
And even though we kind of spent
years. 

1357
01:16:57,110 --> 01:16:59,790
We spent years together. 
Our relationship never really 

1358
01:16:59,790 --> 01:17:02,510
altered much. 
We grew to know more about each 

1359
01:17:02,510 --> 01:17:04,750
other, but was just sort of 
girlfriend and boyfriend. 

1360
01:17:05,230 --> 01:17:09,870
Oh, that's so sweet. 
It is he's he has said a similar

1361
01:17:09,870 --> 01:17:14,030
thing like that like many times 
that it just kind of felt like 

1362
01:17:14,030 --> 01:17:15,870
they were boyfriend and 
girlfriend the whole time. 

1363
01:17:15,990 --> 01:17:18,470
That's so cute. 
Yeah. 

1364
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:21,750
I mean he has said and others 
have said that their 

1365
01:17:21,750 --> 01:17:24,550
relationship wasn't perfect. 
I mean. 

1366
01:17:24,820 --> 01:17:27,980
We we shouldn't think that they 
had this, like literally 

1367
01:17:27,980 --> 01:17:31,540
perfect, idyllic. 
I think marriage, I feel like 

1368
01:17:31,540 --> 01:17:36,900
that's so easy to do when one 
person dies prematurely, too. 

1369
01:17:36,940 --> 01:17:41,820
Like it's just so easy to look 
back and romanticize it as like,

1370
01:17:42,180 --> 01:17:46,060
you know what could have been? 
People even do that with like a 

1371
01:17:46,060 --> 01:17:48,660
couple like JFK Junior and 
Carolyn Bessette, and I'm sure 

1372
01:17:48,980 --> 01:17:52,100
they actually had a really rot 
marriage, but yes. 

1373
01:17:53,540 --> 01:17:57,460
Yeah, they did fight I and some 
things, I don't know if they're 

1374
01:17:57,460 --> 01:18:01,500
true or not, but like some, you 
know, Paul was a controlling 

1375
01:18:01,660 --> 01:18:06,900
person. 
I I love him and I get that 

1376
01:18:06,900 --> 01:18:10,580
that's kind of his like fatal 
flaw is he has a lot of ideas of

1377
01:18:10,580 --> 01:18:13,260
how things should be and he can 
be a bit of a control freak. 

1378
01:18:15,260 --> 01:18:17,460
And I do think, like in wings, 
there were. 

1379
01:18:17,870 --> 01:18:21,710
Sometimes fights sometimes I I 
apparently I don't know if this 

1380
01:18:21,710 --> 01:18:27,430
is true but even about her music
abilities but it was his idea I 

1381
01:18:27,430 --> 01:18:30,990
think for her to be in wings. 
So it's not that their 

1382
01:18:30,990 --> 01:18:33,150
relationship was completely 
perfect, but I do think that 

1383
01:18:33,150 --> 01:18:37,270
they were the loves of each 
other's lives and that they 

1384
01:18:37,750 --> 01:18:42,710
really influenced each other. 
I mean, Paul went very nature 

1385
01:18:42,710 --> 01:18:45,990
for me and I I do think that's 
an influence of Linda. 

1386
01:18:47,140 --> 01:18:49,700
And then I think he influenced 
her too, you know, to tap into 

1387
01:18:49,700 --> 01:18:53,180
her musical side. 
And they had beautiful family 

1388
01:18:53,180 --> 01:19:00,180
and I do love them as a couple 
and it is sad, but I do think 

1389
01:19:00,460 --> 01:19:03,660
she was love his life and that 
lyrics book I mean. 

1390
01:19:04,170 --> 01:19:05,610
Spoiler I'm going to get to it 
in a second. 

1391
01:19:05,730 --> 01:19:10,970
But he has had two wives after. 
Yeah, and he talked about Linda 

1392
01:19:11,130 --> 01:19:15,450
probably like 75% of the time. 
Like he mentioned Linda so often

1393
01:19:15,610 --> 01:19:21,330
is he currently married? 
He is so after. 

1394
01:19:22,050 --> 01:19:24,370
Well, he did. 
I was going to say before I get 

1395
01:19:24,370 --> 01:19:28,250
into the other relationships 
that he in 2000 donated 

1396
01:19:28,290 --> 01:19:32,540
$2,000,000 to. 
Research, Cancer Research 

1397
01:19:32,540 --> 01:19:36,100
facilities in Tucson and New 
York where Linda had received 

1398
01:19:36,100 --> 01:19:39,860
treatment and they're made on 
the condition that no animal 

1399
01:19:39,860 --> 01:19:41,900
would be used for testing 
purposes. 

1400
01:19:42,140 --> 01:19:43,780
That's sweet. 
So that's nice. 

1401
01:19:43,780 --> 01:19:45,220
I mean, 2 million? 
Yeah. 

1402
01:19:45,220 --> 01:19:48,340
Really. 
Honoring her, her legacy and her

1403
01:19:48,340 --> 01:19:50,060
wishes too. 
With that, that's, yeah. 

1404
01:19:50,740 --> 01:19:54,040
So. 
Also in 2000, though, he started

1405
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:57,320
dating and later married the 
model Heather Mills. 

1406
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:01,760
I didn't know that. 
I mean, guys, we're American. 

1407
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,000
Like, we don't know all the same
celebrities. 

1408
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:07,720
But I didn't know that she was 
an amputee, actually, that she 

1409
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:12,720
had lost her leg below the knee 
in a traffic collision, but that

1410
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:15,000
she had continued modeling with 
a prosthetic. 

1411
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:20,040
But his kids were very against 
his relationship with Heather. 

1412
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:24,800
And it caused a lot because I 
think she was a lot younger and 

1413
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:26,920
it caused a lot of strife in the
family. 

1414
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:31,240
His son James stopped, stopped 
talking to him altogether. 

1415
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:36,360
That's really tough, I know. 
And they were married in 2002. 

1416
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,920
They had a kid together, 
Beatrice. 

1417
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:45,510
But then they separated in 2006 
and then divorced in 2008, and 

1418
01:20:45,510 --> 01:20:47,470
the relationship did just seem 
like a mess. 

1419
01:20:47,470 --> 01:20:49,670
There was like a lot of drama in
the press. 

1420
01:20:50,350 --> 01:20:54,670
And she wanted £250 million from
the divorce. 

1421
01:20:54,670 --> 01:20:57,510
Wow. 
But she got to 50 million. 

1422
01:20:57,830 --> 01:21:01,150
It was just it was very. 
It's a pretty good settlement 

1423
01:21:01,310 --> 01:21:04,750
though. 
It was, yeah, 50 million, I 

1424
01:21:04,750 --> 01:21:06,150
know. 
And it was, it was just weird. 

1425
01:21:06,150 --> 01:21:09,230
Like Paul had never really been 
in headlines like that. 

1426
01:21:09,830 --> 01:21:11,590
And I think it was kind of 
strange for people. 

1427
01:21:11,590 --> 01:21:13,390
And it's just sad. 
I don't know. 

1428
01:21:13,430 --> 01:21:17,750
But yeah. 
But then he did remarry again in

1429
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:21,830
2007. 
He started dating Nancy Cheval. 

1430
01:21:21,950 --> 01:21:25,310
I hope I said that right. 
She was a businesswoman. 

1431
01:21:25,310 --> 01:21:27,590
She's actually a cousin of 
Barbara Walters. 

1432
01:21:29,470 --> 01:21:32,870
Yeah, they married in 2011. 
They actually got married in the

1433
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:36,790
same town hall where him and 
Linda married. 

1434
01:21:37,710 --> 01:21:41,030
Which is interesting. 
I that would be a little like 

1435
01:21:41,510 --> 01:21:42,790
weird. 
I don't know. 

1436
01:21:42,830 --> 01:21:45,100
I know. 
I don't know how I feel about 

1437
01:21:45,100 --> 01:21:46,460
that. 
Maybe he feels like it's good 

1438
01:21:46,460 --> 01:21:49,100
luck. 
Or I could see. 

1439
01:21:49,100 --> 01:21:51,460
I could see getting married in 
like, the same church, to be 

1440
01:21:51,460 --> 01:21:53,300
honest with you. 
But, like, I don't know, the 

1441
01:21:53,300 --> 01:21:56,140
same time hall, Like, that's 
like, less sentimental. 

1442
01:21:57,020 --> 01:21:59,300
It's not like, it's like, oh, 
this is the town hall I grew up 

1443
01:21:59,300 --> 01:22:00,940
going to. 
Yeah. 

1444
01:22:00,940 --> 01:22:04,540
And yeah, it would really 
trigger a lot of memories, I 

1445
01:22:04,540 --> 01:22:07,050
know. 
And if I was his wife, I'd be 

1446
01:22:07,050 --> 01:22:09,130
like, want a new town hall. 
Yeah. 

1447
01:22:09,130 --> 01:22:13,290
People are always surprising you
on this show doing wacky things,

1448
01:22:13,290 --> 01:22:16,170
I know. 
But him and Nancy seem good. 

1449
01:22:16,170 --> 01:22:18,130
You know, these. 
It seems like a nice 

1450
01:22:18,130 --> 01:22:19,570
relationship. 
That's good. 

1451
01:22:20,570 --> 01:22:22,170
Yeah. 
Do they have children? 

1452
01:22:22,330 --> 01:22:25,250
Is she a little? 
Is she, like, more age, closer 

1453
01:22:25,250 --> 01:22:27,810
in age to his? 
She's 63. 

1454
01:22:27,970 --> 01:22:29,730
Oh, OK, Yeah. 
That's a lot closer in age. 

1455
01:22:29,730 --> 01:22:32,610
Yeah. 
She already had a kid, so yeah, 

1456
01:22:32,850 --> 01:22:34,550
yeah. 
I mean, he's still 20 years 

1457
01:22:34,550 --> 01:22:38,110
older. 
But yeah, when you're that age 

1458
01:22:38,110 --> 01:22:44,350
is, you know, yeah, relative. 
That's really the story of Paul 

1459
01:22:44,350 --> 01:22:47,190
and Linda. 
I mean, there's a lot more to 

1460
01:22:47,190 --> 01:22:50,630
explore if you want to read more
about them, but that's Paul and 

1461
01:22:50,630 --> 01:22:54,430
Linda. 
Wow, it is sad. 

1462
01:22:54,630 --> 01:22:56,630
But like I would say, I don't 
think I said this on the 

1463
01:22:56,630 --> 01:22:59,750
podcast. 
But as sad as it is, it's like 

1464
01:23:00,390 --> 01:23:04,370
for her story, she, I mean. 
I wish that she could have lived

1465
01:23:04,370 --> 01:23:07,890
longer, but she died, you know, 
still in love with her husband 

1466
01:23:07,890 --> 01:23:09,290
and her husband in love with 
her. 

1467
01:23:09,290 --> 01:23:13,130
Like, it is really so hard to be
the spouse that goes on, you 

1468
01:23:13,130 --> 01:23:15,410
know? 
After that it is. 

1469
01:23:15,610 --> 01:23:19,770
It seems like it was very, very 
hard for Paul, and it almost 

1470
01:23:19,770 --> 01:23:24,730
seems like he rushed into his 
next marriage and it's very hard

1471
01:23:24,730 --> 01:23:29,010
to be the one left behind. 
Yeah, I could see that. 

1472
01:23:29,010 --> 01:23:32,690
Being hard for the kids too, I 
know. 

1473
01:23:36,290 --> 01:23:33,850
That's good. 
And him and his son. 

1474
01:23:33,890 --> 01:23:36,130
And for us with kids, they've 
patched things. 

1475
01:23:37,290 --> 01:23:40,970
Yeah, yeah. 
So since this is our 50th 

1476
01:23:41,050 --> 01:23:47,410
episode, I wanted to read 
through our names, our name, 

1477
01:23:47,410 --> 01:23:50,050
ideas that could have been that 
almost were. 

1478
01:23:50,290 --> 01:23:55,570
A Tale of two people. 
Hey, you're jumping ahead. 

1479
01:23:56,930 --> 01:24:01,550
I have the spreadsheet, but yes,
one of them was a tale of two 

1480
01:24:01,590 --> 01:24:04,470
people. 
We almost did that. 

1481
01:24:05,710 --> 01:24:09,390
That one we were like, huh, I 
kind of like it. 

1482
01:24:09,510 --> 01:24:12,870
Like we we really. 
That one became close. 

1483
01:24:13,110 --> 01:24:14,910
Nobody else really felt it, 
though. 

1484
01:24:16,150 --> 01:24:18,790
I felt like we were The Beatles,
you know, just meeting up and 

1485
01:24:18,790 --> 01:24:23,950
like just shouting out ideas. 
You and I like a couple days. 

1486
01:24:23,950 --> 01:24:26,670
We just were together, just 
saying ideas. 

1487
01:24:27,570 --> 01:24:29,730
Out loud. 
You know what this was like 

1488
01:24:29,730 --> 01:24:32,250
before ChatGPT. 
I wonder what names like if we 

1489
01:24:32,250 --> 01:24:35,690
asked it to come up with names, 
what it could have given us, You

1490
01:24:35,810 --> 01:24:38,050
know? 
OK, I'm going to read them. 

1491
01:24:39,130 --> 01:24:41,810
One of them was Relationship 
Rewind. 

1492
01:24:41,930 --> 01:24:44,490
That was one of my that was my 
suggestion. 

1493
01:24:44,490 --> 01:24:48,850
Yeah, that was a good one. 
Yeah, I'm not sure what my 

1494
01:24:48,850 --> 01:24:51,130
problem was with that. 
I was like stuck on. 

1495
01:24:51,130 --> 01:24:52,330
I don't know why. 
I thought it was like too 

1496
01:24:52,330 --> 01:24:54,970
technology. 
Yeah, you thought it was a 

1497
01:24:54,970 --> 01:24:58,490
little too 90s. 
It does date it. 

1498
01:24:58,490 --> 01:25:03,570
Kind of like if we did podcast 
like a episode about someone a 

1499
01:25:03,570 --> 01:25:05,770
little bit more historical, 
like, you know, before 

1500
01:25:05,770 --> 01:25:07,810
technology. 
That's true. 

1501
01:25:07,970 --> 01:25:11,050
Like Albert Einstein doesn't 
really. 

1502
01:25:11,450 --> 01:25:16,900
Yeah, but whatever. 
Dating history and relationship 

1503
01:25:16,900 --> 01:25:19,340
history? 
Yes, yes, yes. 

1504
01:25:19,780 --> 01:25:21,540
You know when someone says like,
you know which what's their 

1505
01:25:21,540 --> 01:25:23,740
relationship history, what's 
their dating history? 

1506
01:25:23,820 --> 01:25:25,180
You know, a little play on 
words. 

1507
01:25:25,580 --> 01:25:31,900
Archive of the heart Archive of 
the heart A little bit 

1508
01:25:31,900 --> 01:25:37,220
contrived. 
Oh, then, significant lovers. 

1509
01:25:37,780 --> 01:25:39,420
Significant lovers. 
I don't know if I should say 

1510
01:25:39,420 --> 01:25:41,540
this on the podcast, but we this
one was. 

1511
01:25:42,130 --> 01:25:44,010
Our favorite as soon as we came 
up with it. 

1512
01:25:44,370 --> 01:25:47,210
But we saw that there was 
another podcast called 

1513
01:25:47,210 --> 01:25:50,050
Significant Others that was 
pretty similar. 

1514
01:25:50,050 --> 01:25:52,610
I don't know if I should say you
can cut this out, but it was 

1515
01:25:52,610 --> 01:25:55,650
pretty similar in concept. 
But they hadn't been doing any, 

1516
01:25:55,850 --> 01:25:58,330
like they hadn't had a new 
episode in like a couple years. 

1517
01:25:59,130 --> 01:26:00,850
We were like, we can't do that 
name. 

1518
01:26:00,850 --> 01:26:02,210
It's too similar, it's too 
similar. 

1519
01:26:02,210 --> 01:26:05,810
And then we ended up messaging 
them on Instagram to say we're 

1520
01:26:05,810 --> 01:26:07,450
thinking about doing this name 
but. 

1521
01:26:07,870 --> 01:26:09,030
You know, we want to get your 
blessing. 

1522
01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:11,870
We want to know like if you're 
still active, they didn't 

1523
01:26:11,870 --> 01:26:14,310
respond. 
So then we were like okay, like 

1524
01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:16,190
they didn't respond, let's use 
the name. 

1525
01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:19,470
And then as soon as we decided 
on it, they responded and they 

1526
01:26:19,470 --> 01:26:23,190
were like, actually we would 
prefer for you not to. 

1527
01:26:23,190 --> 01:26:26,590
And it's kind of a difficult 
situation because we don't 

1528
01:26:26,590 --> 01:26:29,830
really need their permission. 
Like it is a different name and 

1529
01:26:29,830 --> 01:26:31,790
it is like common phrase as 
well. 

1530
01:26:33,390 --> 01:26:38,410
So tricky but but now. 
But now there's a new podcast 

1531
01:26:38,410 --> 01:26:41,930
called Significant Others. 
Exactly, which is the same exact

1532
01:26:41,930 --> 01:26:42,970
name. 
Yeah. 

1533
01:26:43,250 --> 01:26:46,410
So I don't feel bad anymore. 
Yeah. 

1534
01:26:46,610 --> 01:26:49,890
Yeah, significant. 
One else came out with the same 

1535
01:26:49,890 --> 01:26:52,290
exact name, and Lovers is 
technically different. 

1536
01:26:52,490 --> 01:26:55,650
It is different, yeah. 
It's a play on words, where the 

1537
01:26:55,650 --> 01:26:58,170
other one is just the phrase 
itself. 

1538
01:26:58,330 --> 01:27:01,980
And there's so many like. 
True crime podcast and 

1539
01:27:02,100 --> 01:27:03,900
everything. 
I think we're, you know, pretty 

1540
01:27:03,900 --> 01:27:08,740
distinct enough. 
So another one was a play on our

1541
01:27:08,780 --> 01:27:13,780
old podcast, Another Bite of 
Twilight, if anyone from that 

1542
01:27:13,780 --> 01:27:16,620
audience is here. 
Thanks for joining. 

1543
01:27:17,020 --> 01:27:21,020
But it was called Another Love 
in hindsight, which I was being 

1544
01:27:21,020 --> 01:27:23,980
proud of. 
This idea part of me, I don't 

1545
01:27:23,980 --> 01:27:26,620
think it stands alone though. 
Like, I think you'd have to be a

1546
01:27:26,620 --> 01:27:31,400
fan of the old podcast to kind 
of get it another love. 

1547
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:35,600
In hindsight, I know it did work
out as a great rhyme. 

1548
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:39,520
Like, it sounds the same, but I 
did think it would be a bit 

1549
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:42,560
weird for people who didn't know
another by a Twilight. 

1550
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,000
They might be like, what 
exactly? 

1551
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:47,160
I feel like that because why 
another? 

1552
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:50,240
I guess each episode is another 
love. 

1553
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:51,640
I don't know. 
It could have worked. 

1554
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:54,960
Yeah, I feel like the old 
podcast would have had to have 

1555
01:27:54,960 --> 01:28:01,730
been a little bit bigger and we 
had a history of love and then 

1556
01:28:01,730 --> 01:28:04,930
love history and love history 
101. 

1557
01:28:07,250 --> 01:28:11,010
Kind of simple, yeah. 
There's nothing wrong with them.

1558
01:28:11,010 --> 01:28:13,130
I think we just thought they 
weren't, like, exciting enough. 

1559
01:28:14,650 --> 01:28:17,010
Relationship retrograde, That 
sounds. 

1560
01:28:17,010 --> 01:28:19,720
A little bit too. 
Hippie. 

1561
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:23,920
I don't know retrograde and then
bygone babes. 

1562
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:30,840
This one we were laughing 
hysterically over bygone babes. 

1563
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:35,960
This is when we were a little 
bit too deep in the thesaurus, 

1564
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:41,520
looking up synonyms. 
Not our best idea, but it was 

1565
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:45,760
like the funny I. 
Love an alliteration. 

1566
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:48,240
And then, Speaking of honey, 
history. 

1567
01:28:48,780 --> 01:28:51,180
Like honey. 
Yeah, A little vague. 

1568
01:28:52,460 --> 01:28:54,860
Someone might think it's a 
podcast about honey. 

1569
01:28:55,220 --> 01:28:56,580
Yeah. 
Beekeeping. 

1570
01:28:56,900 --> 01:29:01,620
I could see that being confusing
our separate ways. 

1571
01:29:03,620 --> 01:29:06,220
I feel like, am I correct? 
My sister Caitlin really liked 

1572
01:29:06,220 --> 01:29:08,100
this one. 
I thought Shannon came. 

1573
01:29:08,180 --> 01:29:11,700
No, you're right. 
Shannon liked this one. 

1574
01:29:11,780 --> 01:29:16,560
Caitlin liked exes and. 
Bows, bows, exes and bows. 

1575
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:20,040
She loved that one. 
We thought that. 

1576
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:23,680
I thought that one was just a 
little bit too, like, 

1577
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:30,000
heteronormative because like bow
or, I mean, I guess an ex could 

1578
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,720
be anybody. 
But I thought bow was like, that

1579
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:34,120
kind of means a boyfriend, 
right? 

1580
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:38,440
Yeah, I liked it. 
But just to me, nothing compared

1581
01:29:38,440 --> 01:29:39,760
to significant lovers. 
Really. 

1582
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:43,800
Yeah. 
So then we had our separate 

1583
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:49,700
ways. 
Love legends, famous flings, old

1584
01:29:49,700 --> 01:29:53,580
flames, old flames. 
I really liked this one. 

1585
01:29:53,780 --> 01:29:56,940
But wasn't there a firefighter 
podcast called Old Flames? 

1586
01:29:57,060 --> 01:30:02,260
Yeah, there was. 
And we didn't love the word, old

1587
01:30:02,300 --> 01:30:05,420
being one of our, you know, one 
of two words, one. 

1588
01:30:05,420 --> 01:30:09,780
Of the That's true, yeah. 
Tale of two people. 

1589
01:30:09,780 --> 01:30:12,660
As we said, people didn't love 
that one. 

1590
01:30:12,660 --> 01:30:15,780
No. 
We loved it, yeah. 

1591
01:30:15,860 --> 01:30:18,420
Didn't we make a poll that we 
sent to people? 

1592
01:30:18,460 --> 01:30:21,660
Like a survey polled our. 
Friends and family? 

1593
01:30:22,140 --> 01:30:28,020
Yeah, that one didn't get the 
response we expected over and 

1594
01:30:28,020 --> 01:30:31,080
done with. 
But The thing is, we don't cover

1595
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:33,520
just broken up couples. 
That's true. 

1596
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:35,800
Yeah. 
Another one, Love No More came 

1597
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:38,400
up with that one. 
Some of them are really 

1598
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:39,680
negative. 
I know. 

1599
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:43,600
Heart failures. 
That's a good play on words. 

1600
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:47,080
Heart failure is the next one is
so boring. 

1601
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:52,480
Famous couple. 
Was that actually an idea? 

1602
01:30:54,010 --> 01:30:56,610
It does that he would a couple. 
Famous couples. 

1603
01:30:56,810 --> 01:30:58,330
I mean. 
Honestly, The Cliff helped with 

1604
01:30:58,330 --> 01:31:00,770
like SEO Famous Couples podcast.
True. 

1605
01:31:01,090 --> 01:31:07,730
That's what it is. 
Yeah, it's like, but yeah, 

1606
01:31:07,770 --> 01:31:04,530
that's kind of limiting. 
That's true. 

1607
01:31:04,530 --> 01:31:10,370
Ended. 
Vintage love. 

1608
01:31:11,370 --> 01:31:14,010
I like it. 
I like it, but they're not all 

1609
01:31:14,010 --> 01:31:15,890
vintage. 
And I do think that's true. 

1610
01:31:16,010 --> 01:31:18,810
Yeah. 
I mean, yeah, does like last 

1611
01:31:18,810 --> 01:31:23,280
year count as vintage? 
Sometimes we do stuff from last 

1612
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:25,760
year. 
Love timelines, Yeah. 

1613
01:31:26,480 --> 01:31:30,680
Yeah, that is past loves. 
Past loves. 

1614
01:31:31,480 --> 01:31:34,840
I liked past loves a lot. 
But I think that that was also 

1615
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:38,160
taken by another podcast. 
Yeah, same with past lovers. 

1616
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:41,400
Or no, not Past lovers wasn't 
but too similar. 

1617
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:42,920
Too similar, Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1618
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:46,160
Strangers to lovers. 
I like that. 

1619
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:51,910
Actually, yeah. 
Everybody is, yeah, at one 

1620
01:31:52,190 --> 01:31:54,750
point, legendary loves. 
Do we ever say that? 

1621
01:31:54,750 --> 01:31:57,710
I feel like we said love 
legends. 

1622
01:31:58,270 --> 01:32:01,870
Oh, just switching the words 
around, yes. 

1623
01:32:03,310 --> 01:32:05,270
I feel like when we were 
brainstorming, we would 

1624
01:32:05,270 --> 01:32:09,430
literally like, repeat the same 
idea that we as if it was no, 

1625
01:32:09,510 --> 01:32:12,030
yeah, we're like, what about 
Vintage Love? 

1626
01:32:12,550 --> 01:32:15,910
We already said that. 
Yeah, because you'll see down 

1627
01:32:15,910 --> 01:32:18,150
the line it says Vintage 
Valentine. 

1628
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:21,840
Nice alliteration. 
The thing about Valentine is 

1629
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:26,880
that's our family name, so it 
would have been nice to use 

1630
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:29,480
that. 
Yeah, heart history. 

1631
01:32:29,480 --> 01:32:31,240
I think I might have come up 
with that. 

1632
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:37,400
It's cute. 
Oh, then this was our real 

1633
01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:40,120
runner up that we almost went 
with. 

1634
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:43,520
We almost did the night they 
met. 

1635
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:47,850
Yes, another version of that was
when they met. 

1636
01:32:48,570 --> 01:32:54,130
Yeah, I like, I really like it. 
Like, I think it's it's not 

1637
01:32:54,130 --> 01:32:57,850
super obvious what it's about, 
but it's like it feels a little 

1638
01:32:57,850 --> 01:33:00,370
poetic in a way. 
Yeah. 

1639
01:33:01,490 --> 01:33:05,090
And it was kind of a play on the
Lord Huron song The Night We 

1640
01:33:05,090 --> 01:33:08,250
Met, which is a tragically 
beautiful song. 

1641
01:33:09,330 --> 01:33:12,050
But when we surveyed people, 
they were all really hung up on 

1642
01:33:12,050 --> 01:33:15,330
the fact that the episode wasn't
just about the night they met. 

1643
01:33:16,050 --> 01:33:19,850
Yeah, and what if they didn't 
meet at night? 

1644
01:33:20,490 --> 01:33:22,130
But that's not a problem. 
But then. 

1645
01:33:22,170 --> 01:33:24,210
Again, those people taking it 
too literally. 

1646
01:33:27,570 --> 01:33:29,410
People don't get sarcasm 
nowadays. 

1647
01:33:29,690 --> 01:33:34,730
Like, come on, it's not literal,
it's just a idea. 

1648
01:33:35,290 --> 01:33:40,210
It's like every episode that. 
They obviously met at some point

1649
01:33:40,850 --> 01:33:43,050
and then the story evolves from 
there. 

1650
01:33:45,170 --> 01:33:47,210
But I see what people were 
saying. 

1651
01:33:47,210 --> 01:33:50,170
I like the one that we picked. 
I think significant lovers, like

1652
01:33:50,170 --> 01:33:52,130
that's what it is. 
These are lovers who are 

1653
01:33:52,130 --> 01:33:56,530
significant, Yep, and 
significant others. 

1654
01:33:56,530 --> 01:34:00,250
And it just works. 
I love it. 

1655
01:34:01,410 --> 01:34:05,250
I used to kind of cringe at the 
word lovers, but now I don't. 

1656
01:34:05,940 --> 01:34:11,220
It's a beautiful, nice lover. 
Do you cringe at the phrase Make

1657
01:34:11,220 --> 01:34:14,700
Love a little bit? 
Yeah. 

1658
01:34:15,180 --> 01:34:20,620
So, you know, I was just in 
Michigan and I was singing that 

1659
01:34:20,620 --> 01:34:23,460
song. 
Then I was in Northern Michigan.

1660
01:34:23,460 --> 01:34:26,620
I went to the UP to anybody 
listening from there. 

1661
01:34:26,820 --> 01:34:30,380
I had a great time. 
But the whole time I was singing

1662
01:34:30,380 --> 01:34:34,140
the all summer long by Kid Rock.
But every time I get to that 

1663
01:34:34,140 --> 01:34:38,660
part where he's like Make Love 
about the leg to one favorite 

1664
01:34:38,660 --> 01:34:41,300
song, yeah, it kind of makes me 
crazy. 

1665
01:34:42,900 --> 01:34:44,940
Yeah, I feel like people never 
really use it in like a serious 

1666
01:34:44,940 --> 01:34:49,100
context. 
Yeah, very hippie, very 60s. 

1667
01:34:49,420 --> 01:34:50,420
Yeah. 
It was weird because I was just 

1668
01:34:50,420 --> 01:34:54,110
with my friend, so it would be 
like we were trying different 

1669
01:34:54,110 --> 01:34:57,630
things, we were smoking funny 
things and then we get to the 

1670
01:34:57,630 --> 01:35:02,510
making love part. 
No, we're not doing that this 

1671
01:35:02,510 --> 01:35:04,710
week. 
Making love. 

1672
01:35:06,550 --> 01:35:08,110
Yeah, that was the theme song 
though. 

1673
01:35:08,350 --> 01:35:15,030
Well, thank you Mel, so much for
accompanying me on this Paula 

1674
01:35:15,030 --> 01:35:17,870
Linda episode. 
Thank you for leading it. 

1675
01:35:17,870 --> 01:35:20,670
Now can you give us a little 
teaser? 

1676
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:25,200
A little, yeah. 
What our next episode on Patreon

1677
01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:30,760
is going to be about, Yes, so 
next week's episode is going to 

1678
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:39,880
be about a couple from the 20 
Tens, a tall British guy. 

1679
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:45,320
We love an American girl with 
very big eyes. 

1680
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:54,220
Wow, I think I have some ideas. 
All right, tall British guy, 

1681
01:35:54,980 --> 01:35:58,940
American girl, big eyes. 
Think about it. 

1682
01:35:59,140 --> 01:36:02,780
One one of these days, I want to
do prizes for the first person 

1683
01:36:02,780 --> 01:36:04,660
to guess it. 
Me too. 

1684
01:36:04,660 --> 01:36:07,180
That is my dream. 
That's my dream. 

1685
01:36:07,940 --> 01:36:11,060
And everybody that's supporting 
the podcast, thank you so much. 

1686
01:36:11,060 --> 01:36:14,260
You know, I do hope this podcast
grows to the point where we can 

1687
01:36:14,260 --> 01:36:17,740
give out prizes. 
Maybe we can even find a way to 

1688
01:36:17,740 --> 01:36:19,820
retroactively give out some 
prizes. 

1689
01:36:20,130 --> 01:36:24,890
Yeah and yeah, just thank you so
much and everyone that listens. 

1690
01:36:26,250 --> 01:36:28,930
We love you. 
We love you and we'll get back 

1691
01:36:28,930 --> 01:36:35,450
together next week. 
Is your heart peeled with pain? 

1692
01:36:36,610 --> 01:36:45,930
Shall I come back again? 
Tell me, dear. 

1693
01:36:48,220 --> 01:36:54,900
Are you long term to?