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Hi, everybody. Hey, guys.
Welcome back to Significant Lovers.
I'm Kelly and I'm Mel. We're cousins, Cousins and this
is a true love podcast about famous couples and history and
pop culture. And yeah, welcome to season
three. This is our third year of this
podcast. Wow, it's been so fun.
Welcome to everybody new, everybody that's been with us
since the beginning. We love you and I can't believe
it's taken until our third year to do this.
Couple today. I know this is a big couple,
this flagship. Yeah.
And it's a long back and forth. Is Miley and Liam.
Miley Cyrus. Liam Hemsworth, Yes.
And if you haven't listened to it on Patreon, we covered Miley
Cyrus before. In the past we covered her
relationship with Nick Jonas, which I hope you guys remember
that from 2006, 2007, that was a.
Cute episode, I'll link to it in the description.
Yeah, that couple was a lot more off and on than I had ever
thought it was. A lot of it was like one of
those relationships where you're in it, but it actually doesn't
even last that long. But once you're broken up,
you're not really broken up. You keep going back.
You definitely lingered a lot, and that's kind of similar to
this relationship. And so I feel like with that in
mind, there's a lot of like, you know, why do you sometimes keep
going back to someone? We've talked about this in the
past, like how many times is too many times to break up?
And is it a pattern? Is it something that we can grow
out of with new relationships? Maybe, I think.
Yeah, I hope so. But that's interesting.
Maybe is it a pattern? Was it a pattern for Miley
Cyrus? Yeah, I don't know.
I'm not because we covered her in the past.
I'm not going to go too much into her back story, but
definitely I would recommend that episode.
And I feel like just a few words to describe Miley.
We all know her. She's expressive, confident,
impulsive, carefree, free spirited.
A little chaotic, yes, but I feel like she does have a very
big heart and she's very genuine.
She does. She does.
She's she's very, I wouldn't say that she's like calculated like
some other celebrities are. She's just, she is who she is.
Remember she randomly showed up in the Joaquin Phoenix and Liv
Tyler? Yeah.
She's just hanging out with them.
She's like, when she was really young, could just like, hold her
own among adults. She was like a teenager just
goofing around with them. Yeah, I don't even know why, but
oh, Miley. Oh Miley, she's funny.
But then Liam. So he was born January 13th,
1990 in Melbourne, Australia. Hey, that's the same birthday as
my friend Maddie. Oh nice.
Yeah, anyway. His mom was an English teacher
and his dad was a social services counselor.
And he has two brothers, Chris and Luke.
He moved to Phillips Island in Australia during high school,
and he spent a lot of time surfing.
You know, he's that kind of stereotypical Australian guy.
But he was also very inspired by his older brothers who had begun
acting before him. It's like that's very common.
And he did school plays, and he got an agent.
And then he did Australian TV shows, including a show called
The Neighbors and The Elephant Princess.
And then, when he was 19, he moved to Hollywood and began,
like, pursuing his career in the United States full time.
So young. Yeah.
What is that with Luke Hemsworth?
Because Chris Hemsworth, if anyone doesn't know, he's also a
very successful actor. Yeah, Hemsworth is like, he's
kind of different from them. Like I hate to say he's like
shorter than them. Interesting.
He does act he's but he's not like a leading man.
I don't. OK.
But he, he has roles. He he's still working, OK.
Yeah, I think he was in Westworld.
OK. This movie called The Death of
me. I'm looking at his eye.
But so Liam I would describe as being goofy, quiet, kind of
traditional, bro Y laid back. Yeah, kind of mysterious, I
would say. A little stoic.
Oh my gosh, he sounds like your type.
I know. He is he is a little hot headed,
I think not, not my type and a little Moody.
And the three words that I would use to describe this
relationship are silly, unstable and incompatible.
Oh, no. Not a great sign, but showering,
Yeah, we're going to go back to 2009.
And so as Miley is beginning to transition her career away from
Disney Channel, she met with the Disney executive Jason Reed.
And at this time, Disney was trying to help Miley expand her
star power beyond just Disney. They wanted to introduce her to
older audiences. I know.
I feel like, why would you want to?
Yeah, do that. Disney have a hand in that.
I don't really know, but they wanted to just help her
transition into more mature roles.
And they asked her like, what kind of projects would you want
to do? And she said she wanted to do a
movie similar to A Walk to Remember.
Oh. Yes, which is a Nicholas Sparks
book that they then made into a movie with Mandy Moore.
I feel like she was like saying she kind of wanted to like
embody Mandy Moore's career trajectory a little bit, which
is interesting because I feel like Miley doesn't really act at
all nowadays. I know.
I feel like a lot of those Disney stars have kind of not
Selena Gomez as much, but a lot of them have like given up on
acting all together. Yeah, does seem like they pick
one or the other. Well.
I guess Hilary Duff stopped. Music.
Yeah. I feel like her music career
never really got going. I guess Selena Gomez still sort
of does both, but she she takes a lot of time off between age it
seems. Yeah, I agree with that.
Demi Lovato, definitely. I don't think acts anymore.
Definitely music, but yeah, but then Zendaya, I mean, I don't
actually know she had an album. I.
Forgot, I didn't even realize that she had music until
recently. Did.
Yeah. No, she did.
Right? She did.
Yeah. Yeah.
She's an actress, though. Yeah.
They definitely choose one or
the other. Which one would you pick, Mel,
assuming that you had great talent in both, which I do not?
I feel like acting is harder, but I feel like I would pick
that. I think it's easier for them to
make money with music. Yeah, I think I would.
I think I would pick music. Yeah, if I had to pick, yeah.
The thing is, I I don't wanna say something negative about
Miley off the bat. I think she's so talented and
such a great performer. I think the actual Miley songs,
she hasn't really had too many that are like that she's written
that have been amazing. I feel like she kind of still
struggles to find her identity. In music, yeah, I know.
It seems like she's always changing her sound and style,
and I there's been a couple times in her career where I felt
like, yeah, this is what she should be doing.
I don't know. I wish she would stay away from
the Super pop music, even though it is good.
Sometimes I just think her voice sounds better with the more rock
or like country sound. Yeah.
And like, she'll start to do that, but then she leaves it and
like, I don't know. Yeah, it's a little all over the
place. Like hip hop ish.
Yeah, it's interesting. But so from there, Disney called
the the director of A Walk to Remember, and he signed on to
the project without even any project to sign on to.
So he just was going to direct a.
Oh wow. Titled Miley Cyrus Movie.
That's how big of a star Miley was at the time, that she could
just say something and make it happen.
And then her people called Nicholas Sparks and asked if he
had any books that he was working on that might be a good
fit for Miley. And he didn't at the time, but
he said he would be down to write about a teenager.
Oh my. Gosh.
He wrote the script for the last song before he even wrote the
book. What I didn't realize it was
written basically for her. Yeah.
Oh, it was. And that's why she's, like a
musician in the movie. Like, the character is named
Ronnie, which is after her grandfather.
She had a lot of like creative input too in the story.
That's so interesting. I know.
So around this time, Miley is 16 and Liam is 19.
Obviously Liam is cast in the other lead role, the romantic
lead role in the last song, and tabloids are reporting that
Miley is dating her Co star Liam on this.
Because all these pictures of them making out come out, but
it's from filming. They're like on the beach.
But it's interesting 'cause if you go back and listen to our
Miley and Nick episode, it definitely still seems like at
this time something was still kind of lingering with her and
Nick. There were still sightings of
them together and evidence that they might still be dating.
I remember that. I mean that, yeah, that happens
sometimes. You're like, you're still
talking to your ex or hanging out or whatever, and then you
meet somebody else and you like them too, and that happens.
Yeah, especially when you're young.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Miley denied these claims of
dating Liam. She posted on Twitter dumb
blogs. I do not have a boyfriend.
Stop wasting your time making up lies.
I would be so depressed if that was my reason to breathe.
All I want to know is who are these sources?
Who is the insider? I'm sure their parents are very
proud, huh? They are professional liars.
OK. But weirdly, right after that,
she was photographed kissing Liam at the airport in
Nashville. What?
OK. I feel like, yeah, she was still
attached to Nick somehow. And then that's why she had that
whole reaction and then. But there was a little truth to
it, you know? Yeah, I'm just guessing.
Just maybe she liked Liam, but she was embarrassed.
She didn't want him to know or something.
I don't know. But meanwhile, there are stories
coming out at this time that Liam's ex-girlfriend of five
years, his high school sweetheart, a girl named Laura,
claimed that Liam dumped her when he returned to Australia
after shooting the last song. And that up until that point she
had believed that all those photos were just a part of the
movie. Maybe that's why Miley denied
it, because he didn't. Oh yeah, true.
This girl Laura apparently wrote on her Facebook page.
Which this is a different time. Everyone was.
I know like. Open at that.
Sharing everything, Yeah, she wrote.
Liam and I have been inseparable since school, but it's Miley
Cyrus. How can I compete?
Girl, don't do that. I know.
If you want them back, don't post stuff like that.
I know. Poor Laura.
Like we said a couple episodes ago, the path to getting over
someone and the path for winning them back are the same paths A.
100%. Which is moving on with your
life. Yes, mentioning them like by
name in a Facebook post. I I'm not judging this girl.
She was young. I get it.
But I'm just. I'm just trying to give some
advice to our young listeners. Yeah, yeah, be careful.
Poor Laura. I know.
So in October of that year, after they had finished filming,
Miley tweeted, FYI Liam doesn't have a Twitter and he wants me
to delete mine with good reason. And after that she did delete
her Twitter and blogs were reporting that it was because of
Liam because she had put that out before.
But then she released. Do you remember this?
She released like an iMovie rap on YouTube where she rapped
about deleting her Twitter. No, I don't.
She was like yeah, the rumors are true at deleting my Twitter.
Can you believe I finally got got 2,000,000?
But I had to say wait, why do I remember it all?
Oh my. God.
I had to say adios, I had to say goodbye and this little rap is
to tell my fans why. So she also this I wrote down,
she tweeted no she rapped. No it wasn't because my friend
told me to. Y'all know what very well what
you say I don't do and the reasons are simple.
I started tweeting about pimples.
I stopped living for moments and started living for.
People. Wow, was this all from memory?
No, this, but so she interesting she referred to Liam as a
friend, but it kind of does seem like she deleted it because I am
because she told us he wanted her to.
And then in December, this is not really anything to do with
their relationship, but it was reported that Liam and his
brother had allegedly been in a involved in a drunken bar fight
several months back. And I want to bring that up
because I said he's a little hot headed.
So maybe that might give some, you know, indication of his.
OK. His character a little, I don't
know. But now we're in 2010 and they
are doing press for the movie and Liam is asked in an
interview if he's dating Miley. And here is a little clip.
Did I read somewhere that you guys were dating or just
friends? Yeah.
I mean, you know, I, I I get nervous talking about my private
life, but yeah, I mean, it's it's hard to deny.
Yeah. So many photos.
Great. So cool.
Now, has she been over to Australia yet?
Have you shown her? Yeah, she came over around New
Year's. Oh, that's great.
Yeah, it's cool. You know, it's nice to show her
where I'm from and see how I live and what I grew up doing
and yeah. Oh, that.
That did make me blush a little bit.
That was cute. I like when they just say yeah
yeah dating then. It's crazy.
I don't know it. It just made me feel something,
seeing him being kind of awkward and shy, and then, yeah, we
can't. Deny And then I also have a clip
from May of that year of Miley talking about their relationship
on the Graham Norton Show. You found love in a film, didn't
you? Yeah.
You're all loved up.
Yeah, I actually, I got flowers sent to my hotel this morning
and I was really excited and it was really sweet.
It was the first time you ever like, sent me flowers on the
road. So I was really excited.
And it's really cool that you get to work with someone that
you like. And he he too has ABS and that's
nice too. Because this is his name's Liam
Hemsworth and he now if you work that he used to be in a home and
away in neighbours. Yeah, which I've never seen.
But he's never seen Hannah Montana.
Is that? Yeah, I never seen his show
either. It was I think it was good that
he didn't have any pictured as like, you know, the Disney and
he actually was like ready to work with someone that was
excited about a new movie instead of just thinking like
I'll know here someone thinks they're going to be like a real
actress and not work out. So it was good.
And and was your first the one on the screen?
Yeah, which was sprung on us because we on the script it said
Miley and Liam frolic on the beach.
And I was like, alright, I can frolic, that's fine.
So I decided to go on to my frolickingness and they start
yelling like make out. And I'm like OK, so I'm like
jumping. I'm like wait, what'd you say?
You know, I can't be the one that's like come on.
So our first scene was actually the first day, which is, yeah,
our anniversary coming up. And after that, I was just like,
Yep, he's, he's awesome. But now I just said 18 soon,
yeah. Anniversary.
I'm getting really nervous. Yeah, no.
Do you think? Wedding bells?
Oh no. Well, I can't marry him.
And then you can and. Then.
I control. It all the time, you know, I
just don't know I. Think you might as well.
It's as good as it's going to get.
Don't tell me that. Seriously, it will never be
better than. This one.
Marry this one. You agree with me, don't you,
Usher? Well, partially, I think it's up
to him to ask her, right? Yeah, it was a ring.
And like a big one, yeah. Liam Cheapo flowers Where's the
rock? Not.
That Lily all. That sofa and so they could
watch me at home and away proposing.
Get on with it. Oh.
Exciting now when they get married, because we'll know that
it all started here. Oh my gosh, so many thoughts, I
know. But I that just is a testament
to how fast Miley grew out that she'd be 17 and the interviewer
would be saying, oh, get married.
I know so young. I was thinking before he said
that. I was just thinking in my head
how she's so young, such a teenager, so cute.
Yeah. And then to ask married soon.
Like, calm down. She's 17.
She's literally a child. She's so sweet, though.
I know. She's just so good at like,
having fun within years. I know she seems so carefree,
she just talks so easily. The guy next to her was JP from
Fresh Meat. Exciting and was.
Was Usher. Also there Usher was there too.
Yeah. It it's they do seem different.
Like he does seem more reserved and not quiet, but speaks much
more slowly and carefully. And she's a lot more like
bubbling energetic. Yeah.
Like he's, he's not gonna say too much.
Yeah. But so then in August of that
year, Liam's Rep confirmed to Pupil that the two have split
after a year, a year after they first met and or a year after
they were first reported to be dating.
What already? It's over.
Just kidding, because then as the whole.
Happens. A month later, it seems that the
breakup was short lived because they are photographed kissing in
a car in LA. OK.
So that's their first breakup. OK.
So then in early November that year, Liam has been back home in
Australia for almost a month. Can put a stress on any
relationship. And while there, witnesses
claimed that Liam looked single after he was spotted partying
with a blonde Australian model at a club in Melbourne.
What? Meanwhile, on November 21st, she
had a big 18th birthday party and while there she was spotted
kissing victorious star Even Hagia.
He plays. I've actually never watched
Victoria. Me neither.
I don't know the character's name, but he has brown hair.
He's kind of like a rocker looking guy on that show.
So it seems like her and Liam might be broken up right now.
But then in December, you guys remember this.
A video is leaked of Miley smoking a bong while partying.
And the video was filmed by an alleged friend five days after
her 18th birthday. And in the video, she rips the
bong and is laughing a lot. And she's very all over the
place. And she points to someone off
camera and she says, is that a Liam look alike or like, what
the hell is that? Is that Liam?
Is that my boyfriend? And then you hear the friend.
The friend says, stop that. Don't talk about that.
That's a buzzkill. But Miley keeps saying he looks
so much like Liam. He looks so much like my
boyfriend. So it's like, are they broken
up? It seems like.
Why would that be a buzzkill though?
Exactly. And like, she was just making
out with someone the other day, so they must be on a break
maybe, maybe like because he's home in Australia for a month,
they're on a break and they're going to get back together or
something. But that's strange.
Yeah, it already seems like there's some issues.
So then it's 2011 and it's February and Miley is filming
her new movie So Undercover, which apparently was a really
bad movie. I don't remember that.
It never was really released. It had a very small release and
then I think was like straight to DVD or something.
I don't know why. Like she's such a big star, even
if it's a bad movie. I guess it can happen to
anybody. Yeah, but it was rumored maybe
she was dating her Co star from that movie, but it never got
confirmed or went anywhere. And then in March, she is on an
Australian radio show and she was asked if she was dating
anyone and she said I may or may not be single, but I love
Australian boys, obviously. And when asked about Liam, she
said we're very close. I'm not going to comment too
much. So it's definitely like in a
Gray area. Yeah, and then in April, they're
back together. Be well, it seems, because
they're spotted in a car together.
And meanwhile, this month is when Liam is announced to be
playing GAIL in The Hunger Games.
Oh my God. So he's becoming a bigger star.
Was a big role for him. Turning point.
Yeah. So it's 2012 now, and things
seem to be going very well for them.
They're both very much together and they appear in love.
They're outwardly a couple, there's no Gray area anymore.
And in March, the 1st Hunger Games comes out and they walk
the red carpet together. And around this time, it's
actually rumored that they might be engaged.
After, of course, Miley starts wearing a ring on that finger.
Oh my gosh, is that on our drinking game?
I think it. Might be.
Take a drink. Should be.
If you're not driving right now, take a drink people.
Why do they always do as they always wear a ring on their ring
finger? It's so weird.
Has to be on purpose. And then act like annoyed slash
surprise when people think they're engaged.
It's like you're not marrying any other ring except a ring on
that finger. That's the wedding ring finger.
I feel like it also doesn't have to be a diamond ring for people
to think it's an like a, an engagement ring doesn't have to
be a diamond. Any ring on that finger signals
engaged or married. It's true.
I feel like it's good that people walk around with like,
you know, their relationship status so you don't accidentally
hit on someone. Yeah, and embarrass yourself.
I know it's kind of cool. Yeah, yeah, Miley denies this.
She treats. I'm not engaged.
I've worn the same ring on this finger since November.
People just want to find something to talk about.
It's Topaz people. So.
You can have a Topaz engagement ring, but a few months, a few
months later, in June, a 19 year old Miley tells People magazine
in a statement. I'm so happy to, I'm so happy to
be engaged and look forward to a life of happiness with Liam.
What? She keeps denying things on
Twitter and then it they turn out to be true.
It's so weird. Why is she doing this?
You can't trust her. You know, this was when she was
wearing her iconic topknot bun. I don't know if you guys
remember, there were these buns, a Twitter handle, Miley's bun.
She wore that. Everywhere.
Yes. This was one of my favorite eras
of Miley. Yeah, mine too.
I love the bun. But just as quickly as she let
it go, in August that year, she cut her hair, which was a
changing points in her career in this relationship.
In her public image, she dyed it platinum blonde.
People freaked out. People did not like it.
Very short. Very short.
Yes, I mean she's gorgeous, she can rock any hairstyle, but this
really marked the beginning of her bangers era.
Yes. Which was a cultural reset.
Her bad girl era. Yeah, and this was AI mean, you
guys remember it was a massive departure from Disney.
And I feel like I would liken it to JoJo Siwa's transition right
now where like people definitely.
It was so shocking because it was so different from what
people were used to that people were definitely like making fun
of it a lot. So this is when the song We
Can't Stop came out. At the time, not quite yet, but
I guess I jumped ahead. But I remember when it came out,
I remember saying out loud it was like the worst song ever.
But I actually love it now. But.
It is the music video. It's funny because they have
those lip balms in it that are. Oh yeah, the Essos.
Essos, yeah, they're like a little circle.
Yeah, obviously. But it's like I rewatched it.
I was like this kind of an ad, yeah.
I love the look of that video though, it's very cool.
Yeah. But yeah, I mean, I would say
this era is defined by a lot of more like hip hop and club
inspired music, a lot of twerking.
She stuck out her tongue all the time.
I was just about to say that she's naked a lot.
I feel like it's a lot of shock factor.
She's trying to shock people. And I love Miley, but I feel
like definitely I've, I hear some of the criticism that she's
like appropriating hip hop music at this time too.
Like I feel like people she's like twerking, but in a way
that's like kind of making a mockery of it because people are
kind of making a mockery of her, even though I think she's doing
it earnestly. It's like kind of like I'm so
crazy. I don't know.
Yeah. But so, yeah, then there are
reports that Liam is getting very frustrated with Miley's
constant tweeting and especially tweeting stuff about their
personal life. And September of that year, she
tweeted Ever feel like you just no, she says.
Ever feel like you want just ever feel like you just want dot
dot dot something more? Not sure what exactly.
Dot dot dot passion, perhaps? Then she tweeted no, there is
not trouble in paradise. dot dot dot just thoughts.
And apparently he was really embarrassed by that.
Interesting. Yeah, I would be too.
She also tweeted, Sometimes I feel like I love everyone more
than they love me. Hate that feeling, which is sad.
I feel like anyone in her position would feel that way.
When you're kind of like a product or other people to make
money off of, yeah. She also tweeted.
Why do I torture myself and whatnot.
PS I love you. Ah, I gotta put it all together.
I have to. I have to pull it all together,
yeah. Crazy.
Little yeah, it's a little erratic at this time.
Liam was also away filming The Hunger Games, Catching Fire in
North Carolina. I don't know if they're having
issues with that. Yes, this, this was a time still
where people were kind of posting whatever thought went
through their head, but I still feel like some people took it
further than others and she kind of seems like that kind of
person. Yeah, she seems to have low
impulse control at this time. We've had a couple people like
that on the show. Yes.
Well, not on the show as a guest, but you know.
I mean, Liam, I think also has low impulse control, but in a
different way because then in December, once again he gets in
another bar fight. Oh my goodness.
So you weren't just making this up?
No. No.
What about him being hot? Yeah, yeah, no, it came from
somewhere. So then it's January 2013 and
Miley was talking to Cosmo and said about Liam.
I'll literally look at him and be like you are hot.
Dear God. The other day I turned on the
pool heater and it was steaming and he walked outside and took
off his clothes and jumped in the pool.
I was like I'm going to faint. The hottest guy of my life in a
steaming pool. This looks like a Playgirl
shoot. That's cute also.
I know she also said. So I took a photo and made it
the background on my phone. My best friend grabbed my phone
and was like who's that? He's so hot.
That's my hubby. It's my hubby.
Yeah, so because she used the word hubby, naturally people are
wondering if they are already married, but they're not.
So then it's February and Lina and Miley have been engaged for
eight months. However, there are multiple
reports, many different news sources that say that Liam was
getting hot and heavy with actress January Jones at a pre
Oscars party. What like, where would that come
from specific a pre Oscars party?
There is going to be pressed there.
So I kind of tend to believe it. What the hell?
A source claims that they were all over each other and even
kissed. However, sources tell enews that
Miley and Liam are totally fine. Don't know what to make about
that in March. Breakup rumors continue to
swirl, which is amplified by the fact that Liam took a one way
trip home to Australia in March with no plans to come home.
People say I don't know how they know that.
And he and Miley are taking a break and.
Maybe he just didn't get his ticket back yet.
Yeah, I know. I mean, he's ready.
She doesn't have to back down to then.
It's April, and it's reported that Miley and Liam have
postponed their wedding due to ongoing issues.
Oh no. A source tells People magazine
that Miley and Liam had another agreement.
I'm sorry, another argument before the weekend.
Another agreement would be good. Another argument before the
weekend and the engagement ring is off again.
Oh my gosh. So this is signaling a lot of on
and off. Like it sounds like the
engagement ring comes off, it comes off.
Another source says they don't want to get married until they
figure out all of their problems.
But Miley is very worried about losing Liam.
She is crazy about him. It's crazy how long ago this was
this. I know this story is going to
be. There's a lot more to go.
I know over 10 years ago. It's crazy.
So in May, Miley did an interview with V Magazine, and
she tries to negate any breakup rumors by saying that she and
Liam just lead very busy lives and that they don't have time to
be photographed when they're together and that they would
often just hang out at home. And maybe.
Yeah. But it's interesting is at this
time, Miley is photographed a lot out and about, and she's
consistently not wearing the ring.
And then she is wearing the ring, but at this point she's
been wearing it for a couple. Weeks I I love Miley, but I feel
like at this point we can't really trust what she says.
No, he's already lied to us. So then it's June and Liam
actually joined Twitter even though he didn't have issues
with it, and he followed Miley. And it's interesting because he
was so against it. But I literally already said
that. So then it's June 20th, and
Miley and Liam are photographed together for the first time in
five months. They're leaving a movie theater
holding hands. Also, Miley goes on Good Morning
America and the reporter asked if wedding bells are in her
future. And Miley says I'm wearing a
ring. So seems like it's back on.
Yeah. Then the next month, they went
on vacation to Canada together. Things seem to be OK.
In August, they walked the red carpet at the premiere of his
new movie Paranoia. But then August 25th, this was
Miley's infamous VMA performance when she twerked on stage with a
foam finger. Robin Thicke mm Hmm during his
performance of Blurred Lines. Blurred lines.
I always associate blurred lines and we can't stop together.
Me too. They just go together.
I will say I rewatched the clip and I hate to say this but if I
was Liam I would have not been cool with that performance cuz
she's like unless he signed off on it like she's like grinding
up on him and like. Yeah, remind me, I haven't
watching forever. She's like, really?
He's like following her around on stage and she's takes the
foam finger like puts it on his Dick.
She starts grinding on him like twerking on him like wow her
butt. Her butt is like where his Dick
is like it's very sexually explicit.
She looks like she's naked because she's wearing a skin
color bodysuit. And I I hate to be this way
because I don't want to be like a prude or like shaming my The
only reason I'm saying this if you're in a relationship and the
other person isn't comfortable with that.
It's understandable. It is understandable.
Yeah. Like I think if I saw my
boyfriend, like all up on another girl, even though I know
it's a part of a performance, I feel like maybe you have to
agree with it. But I guess two sides of the
coin. He's an actor.
He makes out with people in movies and stuff.
This is her job. He did make out with Jennifer
Lawrence in the movies. So I don't, I don't know, I kind
of see both sides. Yeah, but we don't, we don't
know the whole story. Like I would be curious, not
that it's our business, but if he knew about it and like how
much was told to him. I wonder if he knew that like,
Oh yeah, we're going to be silly.
Like, I'm going to do this with a phone finger, but maybe, yeah,
maybe he didn't know the whole extent.
Also, it's OK to like change your mind later too if you
realize that wasn't cool. Yeah, exactly.
Well, the tabloids are reporting that Liam was allegedly
mortified by her performance and that her new persona is not what
he signed up for, which I guess I would say to that.
It's like, that is Miley Cyrus. Like, she literally has a song.
You can't be. I can't be tamed.
Yeah. Here I was just a second ago
like defending Liam, but now I'm like oh that sucks for Miley.
It's sad. I know she doesn't like her new
interests twerking and sticking out her tongue.
I know, but news breaks soon after that they have officially
broken up and OK, this is crazy. One day later, Liam was
photographed making out with Mexican American singer Elsa
Gonzalez. Liam and yeah, they were spotted
running errands and workout clothes together, which someone
at the time said that seems like something you do with, not
someone you're casually seeing, like working out together.
Well, let's run some errands. Like what?
One day after I'm sure like the announcement wasn't maybe the
day they broke. Up, but that's.
So soon. I'd be pissed if I was Miley.
Yeah. How did you line that up so
quickly? You had to have been maybe
texting this girl on the side. Just slap in the face how
quickly I was replaced and now you're thinking to me when you
fuck her. Oh, it's too odd to know.
Yeah. Also weirdly, that same month,
this girl Elsa is photographed in a store next to a mannequin
that's wearing the same outfit that Miley wore during the VMA
performance. And there's a framed photo of
Miley during in, like in her outfit next to the mannequin and
this girl's photograph, like pointing to it and grimacing.
Oh my gosh, yeah. OK, that's, that's a lot, yeah.
And then the Wrecking Ball music video comes out.
Crazy. That was huge.
So big. But see, that was like huge, but
like kind of a joke. Kind of, yeah.
But at the time people said it was a good song.
I think people actually liked it.
I remember, I feel like we talked about this on the
podcast. I just remember in College in
the dorms, everyone had would have their doors open and stuff
and everybody was watching this music video when it came out,
like at the same time. It definitely got so much
attention, mileage, crying. It's very emotional.
I think it's a good song. But she's like on the Wrecking
Ball and then like licking naked and then like licking the
sledgehammer. It's like it is weird.
It is weird she did that because it is such an emotional,
heartfelt song. OK, but now that I'm thinking
about it, maybe she was naked as like a fuck you to Liam because
she's like you. You don't like this new
behavior. This is like an emotional song
about you. I'm going to embrace to rebel.
I'm going to embrace what you hate about me.
Maybe. Maybe that's kind of smart.
Especially the licking the sledgehammer.
Yeah, maybe that kind of makes sense.
Yeah, because it did feel out of place.
Yeah, so then in November, seems like Miley's maybe moving on to
she was spotted making out with Benji Madden while she's out
partying in LA. Oh, I did not know that.
They both continue to be linked to other people into the new
year. He is linked with Nina Dobrev.
I didn't know that either. Yeah, and she's linked with with
Kellen Lutz. I didn't.
Know that either? I know.
No, but later I didn't. But later Kellen denied it, he
said. I never dated Miley, but maybe
they hooked up. Maybe.
So random, though. Yeah.
So then in April, Miley gave an interview with Elle magazine,
and she spoke a little bit about their breakup.
She said when I went through a really intense breakup, you
know, I was engaged. And when I was with him or when
I was on Disney, the thing that gave me the most anxiety was not
knowing what to do with myself when Disney wasn't there to
carry me anymore. Or if I didn't have him.
I lay in bed at night by myself, and I'm totally OK.
And that's so much stronger than the person three years ago.
Who would have thought that they would have died if they didn't
have a a boyfriend? Well, that's good.
Yeah. That she feels like she won't
die if like, I know it's understandable to feel like you
would die without somebody or something, but you don't want to
feel that just about having a boyfriend, you know?
Yeah, but it's interesting because that tweet she put out
when she originally denied that they were together, she said I
would be so depressed if that was my reason to breathe.
Oh yeah. What the hell is going on?
Is she just like pretending to be this like super independent
crazy girl? Maybe it's kind of so.
I know. Then in June, an unreleased.
I mean, she is kind of often in a relationship.
She's not single that often. In June, an unreleased smiley
song called The Last Goodbye was leaked on the Internet and some
people think that the lyrics were about Liam.
They are. How has my best friend become
such a stranger? It seems like everything was
fine. We've already been through this
twice and I'm never coming home for a last goodbye.
So already it seems like they're pretty rocky.
They've broken up, gone back together multiple times.
Yeah. Around this time, Liam said that
spending more time with Jennifer Lawrence, who laughs all day and
is funny, helped him be more present following his foot with
Miley. Interesting.
Meanwhile, it seems like Miley is dating Patrick
Schwarzenegger. Oh yeah, I remember that.
But doesn't, I mean, I don't know.
We don't know her. But doesn't Miley laugh all day?
Seems like it. Yeah.
So in December, Chris Hemsworth, Liam's brother, was on the cover
of GQ. And he said, I've watched Liam
do things I did at his age, like being in relationships he
shouldn't be in or being reckless just to prove a point.
And I had no empathy. My mom had to remind me I was
the same way. I.
Had no empathy. Interesting.
Is he talking about Miley? I know.
So then it's 2015, and Liam is interviewed by Men's Fitness,
and he said about the breakup. You fall in love with who you
fall in love with. You can never choose.
I guess some people just come with a little more baggage.
I mean, look, we were together five years.
So I don't think those feelings will ever change.
And that's good because that proves to me that it was real.
It wasn't just a fling. Wow, that's actually really
sweet. I know he's really opening up.
Then a month later, an animal shelter tweeted out a photo of
Liam holding a new dog and they wrote Thanks Miley Cyrus for
loving dogs as much as we do. He helped find this gigantic 6
month old puppy a new home. Liam Hemsworth, you will, you
will give this deserving baby a great life.
What? Yeah, so my.
Animal shelter leaked to the world that they're back
together. Yes.
What? Oh my gosh.
And just aside now, it also seems like maybe something more
had happened with Liam and Jennifer Lawrence while Miley
and him were on a break because she Jayla goes on Andy Cohen's
show Watch What Happens Live. And he asked her if they had
ever kissed off screen. And she said, Liam and I grew up
together. Liam was really hot.
What would you have done? I also don't understand saying
that we grew up together because aren't you guys like still kind
of filming The Hunger Games or like it just ended?
Has the last movie come out yet? I don't know.
But it's like we're not like 10 years past it.
So you guys are still kind of in that same age group from when
you met I think. And they were, I mean, they were
young, but they were probably like 20.
I don't know how it's like grew up.
Together. Yeah, it's weird.
We grew up. Is it like you guys weren't in
Harry Potter? I know.
Oh my gosh. And it's funny.
We're still in the same decade from the movies, but it's 2016
January and photos come out of Miley and Liam in Australia
spending New Year's together at a music festival.
And then in March, in an interview with Entertainment
Tonight, Dolly Parton, who is Miley's godmother, was asked
about Liam and Miley and she said.
I was really happy to hear that they've gotten back together and
seems like they are. Soon afterwards they were
photographed getting lunch with Chris Hemsworth.
Wow, it seemed like it was so over.
I know for this, yeah. I mean, they were broken up for
like, I would say at least like a year and a half.
Wow. How do you even like, I guess
like, how do you get back together?
I don't know. I just don't get it.
I guess they just text or call and yeah wow, they must always
have like 1 foot still kind of near the door or the door not
fully closed. Wow.
So then, let's see. I know we, we have said this on
the podcast before, but it must be crazy.
Imagine being her friends. Oh I know it must be kind of I,
I feel a little bad for their friends 'cause you never know
what to say, what side to be on. Like, do we love Liam?
Do we hate him? You know?
I've been in the situation. It's like you kind of can't say
anything bad. If they get back together,
you're going. To come back around, yeah.
Yeah, but sometimes you need your friend to hate them in
order to be like, OK, yeah, I can't date someone who everybody
in my life hates. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's hard. So then Miley posted an
Instagram of Liam with his dog and she captioned it.
So much love in this pic. And a few hours later Liam
posted a photo of Miley. But I don't really know what the
caption was because it's now. Deleted.
I'm sad. But they're like back together
and they're open about it. It's.
Back on. It's interesting because this
reconciliation definitely coincides with a dissolution of
Miley's bangers persona. She's definitely having a
metamorphosis once again. Sources close to the couple are
saying that Miley is a changed person and that she is partying
less, doing yoga and living a healthier lifestyle.
So it's kind of putting all the blame on her for the breakup.
It definitely also aligns with her album that's going to be
coming out soon, her Younger Now album, where she's kind of like
rejecting who she was during bangers and saying like, I don't
have to be that person anymore. And I feel like that's kind of
one of Miley's downfalls. Like she doesn't commit to a
personality very long. I guess how humans are like
we're not always one person, but like as a celebrity, it's I
think sometimes hard for her. She has obviously
characteristics that stay with her over time like being this
like outspoken person, but she definitely is constantly having
a rebrand. I hate what you mean, it doesn't
feel like she's really building off of the last project.
It's like every time she's scrapping it and saying what I
was doing last time wasn't me like now this.
Is me. Yeah, exactly.
She's I feel like she's getting maybe less like that now.
Yeah, but she seems like she's struggled with that for a while,
which makes sense if you grew up on Disney Channel and you've
only known celebrity. Yeah.
Kind of be confusing like who am I?
Totally. A source tells People magazine
that Miley is doing everything to please and make Liam happy,
and that before, Liam couldn't handle when Miley acted nutty.
See, I hate that that that would make me feel crazy.
That does upset me. And I feel like whenever a guy
calls a woman crazy, it becomes, like, you turn crazy because,
like, if someone's calling you crazy, it, like, turns you into
that, you know? Yeah.
But another source says that Miley's problem was that she
thought Liam was boring when he complained.
Another source says Miley never got over Liam, despite them
constantly fighting. Before the split, Miley always
said Liam is the love of her life.
There were so many things that she loved about their
relationship. They had a lot of fun and Liam
was mostly very supportive of Miley it seemed.
She was always hoping and dreaming that they one day could
get back together. Sweet.
And she also went on Ellen and she showed off her engagement
ring and she confirmed that they are, in fact still engaged.
Wow. Yeah, I was curious.
We've talked about this too before, Like when?
Well, I mean, this was more extreme.
It was Paul Simon and Carrie Fisher.
But how they were like, married and then go back together.
This is not as dramatic as that. But I was wondering, are they
just boyfriend, girlfriend or fiance's again, you know?
Yeah, it would be hard to have like a demotion.
Yeah, they were so young when they were engaged.
That like they were. I don't think it would be weird
to be like, OK, let's kind of start over.
Yeah, like at the the end of Mamma Mia spoiler Oh.
I've not seen it. Oh, you haven't?
No. Oh, what the fuck?
You've never seen Mamma Mia? No, I haven't.
What that's? Crazy.
Are you sure? I could have sworn we went in
theaters together. We did watch it together, but I
fell asleep. Oh my gosh.
Through no faults of my own, I was tired.
Whose fault is it? Just, I don't know Father Time.
You always fall asleep during movies my.
Philosophy is if you start feeling like you're about to
fall asleep during a movie and you cannot keep your eyes open,
you, there's nothing you can do. You have to give into it.
Otherwise you just like will fall asleep anyway.
I don't. Know if that's true?
Well, yeah, at that. Sorry to spoil but at the end of
the movie they stay together but they decide not to get married,
which always kind of upset me because the whole movie is
preparing for the wedding. I'm like what the hell?
Yeah. No when?
Like what the heck. I get it, but it's a little
disappointing. Anyway, anyway, so Miley throws
Liam a 27th birthday party and she posts on Instagram.
Happiest birthday ever. It's my favorite being ever ever
ever. You have been my best friend
since the day we met. I am beyond lucky to share so
many animals with you. I love you and.
That's so cute. I know it is.
I know I don't know the whole story yet.
I'm like worried there's going to be some shoe that drops that
tells me that Miley was cheating the whole time or something.
But she I think she really loved him.
OK, Because I was going to say that.
I just think she's so loving. So there's so much emotion in
her. She's so expressive.
I just think you're so lucky to be loved by Miley Cyrus if you
are. Like she just seems like she's
bursting with joy for the person she loves, so it's just so cute.
Totally. I think she wears her heart on
her sleeve and not everyone's like that.
He was really lucky, I think. I definitely think she gave it
more than he did. He wasn't willing to meet her
halfway. I mean, I do think she was
willing to change for him a little bit, but I'm sure there
was some resentment because maybe he wasn't.
But so on this new Younger Now album, she has a song, Malibu.
Oh yes. That song is about Liam and how
she never expected that they would be back together.
And it just like paints them as being so in love and like so
happy and peaceful. And it like, it is this euphoric
feeling like if you do get back together with someone that you
were heartbroken about, It's like, I can't believe like it
worked out. She's frolicking and skipping
and she's playing with balloons, which again, it's like very
different from twerking. It's so much more innocent vibes
and makes me wonder like how much of that is like Liam's
influence? It could be a lot.
I mean, I do think people are very influenced by their
relationship and who they're with.
It's just inevitable, you know? Yeah, totally.
I mean, I mean, some of it's good.
Yeah. And they're very public.
And Liam is also very affectionate.
On Instagram. He posts a lot of pictures of
Miley, and he often calls her his little Angel.
He also posts a lot of cute, silly videos of him pranking
her. And yeah, they're like, they
just seem like very solid at this point.
Like they seem very in love. I feel like it almost seems
like, OK, they, they were together, they broke up and now
they're together and now it's like we as a society, that's
Miley and Liam, like they just are two peas in a pod and we
accept. Them, they seem solid.
They can't be kept apart. Yeah, they made it.
They're together. All felt right in the world.
Yeah, Miley was asked by the son when they be getting married and
she said I'm just riding this out.
I don't envision marriage. I'm 24.
I hope I get what? She's like 24.
I know, I know, she says. I have too much living to do.
Yeah. She's so young, crazy.
And then she went on Howard Stern and she admitted that
she's like, it's nervous whenever Liam works with other
actresses, which I think is refreshing to admit.
Like she's so honest, so refreshing.
I'm sure everybody else feels that way too.
Yeah, wow. Thank you, Miley.
I know. She says I keep little spies so
I don't have to be there. Wow.
I know I love it. OK, because sometimes there's
been people on this podcast that we've talked about that make me
feel like we're different species or something because
they don't have jealousy and I'm just like how I don't understand
how they. Do this.
They're lying. Cool.
So then it's 2018 and based on their public appearances, things
seem good. But sadly their Malibu home
burnt down in a massive wildfire at this time.
They lost many personal items in the fire, pretty much everything
they had in that house. And it makes me sad because
Miley had just been on Jimmy Kimmel a few weeks before and
she was talking a lot about how sentimental she was and like how
she holds on to things and how that's one of their
disagreements and their relationship.
And and Jimmy Kimmel was like, what kind of stuff do you hoard?
And she was like, well, it's not hoarding.
It's like collecting. And she said she still hold on
to the pack of peanuts that were served on the plane when she
flew from Tennessee to California, when she landed the
role of Hannah Montana. And she was like that, that pack
of peanuts, like, represented this huge change in my life.
Like, she seems very sentimental.
And like you said, yeah, like, when she loves something, she
loves it. So it's just so sad to think
about all those things being gone.
That's one of my biggest fears. I know it's kind of material
materialistic, but my gosh, I feel so bad.
And then she talked about the fire on Howard Stern and that is
the next clip. Oh, OK, let me see.
Did you just give a half $1,000,000 to the fire?
There were fires in Malibu, your house.
Your house is destroyed, right? Yeah, and you have, like a
menagerie of animals. You got, what, seven dogs?
Yeah. How many horses I have now?
Two horses that are big size and then I have too many.
Yeah, two pigs. Too many horses Two big horses
3. Cats.
Yeah, So what happens when a fire is going down?
So actually like Liam, I've never loved him more for this.
This is your boyfriend. Yes.
He's not say yeah, kind of yeah. Ish.
Which part? My partner, I call him my
survival partner now. And he thinks it's not romantic,
but I learned that it is. That is why you pair up with
someone is for survival. And he, it was so incredible.
He got all the animals out in his truck.
He put two pigs in crates, which I told you is so hard.
Yes. I said, how did you get them
out? And he said the only thing I
could do was get a really powerful hose and spray them in
the ass. So he just chased the pigs into
it, which was genius. And actually, I was kind of glad
that I wasn't there because I think the thing that got a lot
of people in trouble was in California, we have fires all
the time. And it's it's a little cry wolf
sometimes because you don't know when it's actually going to get
to you. And I think that you think
there's no way this could actually happen to me.
Neil Young lost his house, right?
Yeah. And I was thinking about that
too, because I was thinking that just that my age and the amount
of songs that I've written, and that was the hardest thing for
me to for me to lose was every song, including Malibu, I lost
because I always write it on paper.
Oh, you mean in the Malibu house?
Was my song writing book that I wrote the lyrics in in the car
so that's gone and so I was thinking about these artists and
even. Why didn't you man save the book
for Christ's sake if he's busy with the.
Pig, he grabbed his camera. But the one thing good that was
about the guy said, what do you grab?
He's like my laptop and my camera.
But the good thing about that was is I actually had a lot of
physical pictures that obviously you lose.
It's really hard and so I'm glad he grabbed the computer.
So he came. So in a fire, he he saved the
animals, which you got to do first.
Yeah. Then he got his camera.
Yeah. Then he got his computer.
His. Computer yes and then he had to
go deal with my cats are so stupid they He tried to get the
cats out but he was kind of trying to lead them to the truck
'cause he had the dogs and all these things and one of the cats
started running away and. Put them in a.
He made the he the cats have never really been outside.
And I think he started opening the door, trying to get them in
and out. And the one cat just ran away.
And. And I'm so glad that he didn't
just say OK, you don't know what you're running into And.
And got them because I like this guy.
Yeah, he's really. He's really, really.
Decent guy. Yeah, I.
Mean he got a lot of action for saving the animals Oh he did
yeah, he got a lot of. I was going to say, when do you
even have time to? Get them back.
We had, we had to make sure he knew I was very, very oh.
My gosh, yeah. First of all, it's so sad.
I'm so traumatic. Yeah, Oh my God, that's my
nightmare. Literally.
Also just so scary like having to save all those animals when
there's a fire approaching too like so.
Scary. Yeah, saying like my cats like,
yeah, having to like race at the house.
There's like smoke. Approaching.
That's crazy. It was funny how she she still
brought some humor into it though.
Being like, my cats are so stupid.
Yeah, Oh my gosh. Yeah, I love her you feel so bad
for. Her.
In a way, I feel like this traumatic experience, like
really bonded them. Like when you go through
something so intense like that with somebody else, it's like
nobody else gets it like you. You lean on that other person to
understand how you're feeling. I bet.
That would be so sexy though, like someone saving your beloved
animals. I know.
I can't believe he was by himself.
That's kind of scary, I know. Wow.
That's like, heroic. So this led to Miley and Liam
getting married. Wow.
Very soon after that, in her Tennessee home, they got married
in a very private, spur of the moment, low key ceremony.
Miley wore a satin ivory made to order Vivian Westwood dress for
$8600, which is a lot of money by my standards.
But like, for a celebrity, it seems pretty like she bought it
online. Like it wasn't, you know?
Huge thought out. There.
I mean, some celebrities wear wedding dresses that are like
$30 million or something. Yeah, OK, maybe that's
generation 30,000. I don't know.
Anything like over 10,000 beyond my tax bracket.
She was barefoot and Liam Ward does a black suit and white
sneakers. So super cash this wedding.
And she posted something on Instagram along the lines of 10
years later, but I couldn't actually find the post that's
based on my memory from the time because it was deleted.
No. I know, so sad, but guys.
What? This sucks.
It's like one of those things that once they get married,
there's a shift and things keep going in the opposite direction
and you want them to 2019. Now, January, Chris Hemsworth
goes on a radio show and he says that Miley and Liam are not yet
officially married. But I think at some point they
do get married. Wait, so like after the
ceremony? Yeah, he said.
They. Still weren't married?
That's weird. Yeah, but some point they do get
married, so I don't know when. So it's April and they are at
The Avengers premiere and Miley and Liam posed on the red carpet
and a paparazzi guy says to Miley.
Miley give him a kiss and she pretends to lick him and he says
this is based off the interpretation of people who
read lips. He apparently says can you
behave for once? Oh my God.
And then she makes a face. Then they pose separately and
then they pose together again. And it seems like he goes into
like, tickle her stomach, but then she swats him away and she
just poses by herself and she like, fluffs up her hair and
she's like, look at me. And she's very independent.
So people think that signals he's like oppressing her and
like very loaded, yes. I mean, I feel like this kind of
jump into conclusions, like people get annoyed with their
partner and say stuff like that. I don't know if you from one
comment you can say like he's oppressing and controlling her.
But yeah, but that is not good when you start to say and
people, I've done it too, but it's not good when you start to
say things like you always do this, you never do that like
saying can you behave yourself for once, that is.
Very hurtful especially when she's just being playful and
having fun like what she did. Like pretend to lick him like
not a big deal. Like he needs to lighten up if
he has a. Problem with that.
So in May, Liam is on the cover of Australia GQ and he says that
him and Miley eventually want kids but right now they can't
because they have too many animals.
Meanwhile, they attend the Met Gala together and guys spoiler
this is their last public appearance together.
It's ending so quickly after they got married, we.
Didn't know it at the time. But they're still together.
In June, Liam posts a photo of Miley to promote her new EP She
Is Coming, which is now venturing back into Miley's
rebellious, a little bit more sexually explicit side.
I know. So, you know, I don't know if
she started to feel comfortable because she had the ring on her
finger, which is like, yeah, you should feel comfortable if
you're married. But it's definitely very
different from this, like seemingly repressed side that
she had on younger. Now, this album, I wasn't that
successful. It didn't have many hits.
She had that hit like mother's daughter.
But I don't know. But Liam seems supportive at
first. He took a picture of her and
captioned it. Girls Got Talent.
She might just make it. dot, dot, dot.
Wow, Wow. To the awesome dude me for
taking such an incredible photo. Hashtag husband goals.
OK. And then in July, a month later,
Miley is interviewed by Elle. And she says, I think it's very
confusing to people that I'm married, but my relationship is
unique. And I don't know that I would
ever publicly allow people in there because it's so complex
and modern and knew that I don't think we're in a place where
people get, she says wait. And knew that I don't think
we're in a place where people get it.
I mean, do you really think that I'm home in a fucking apron
cooking dinner? I'm in a hetero relationship but
I still am very sexually attracted to women.
Oh. But so this is what's
interesting because I interpret that as her saying that they're
not monogamous, maybe because she's saying it's so complex and
modern. Like otherwise, like what?
What? Even if you are a bi or
pansexual girl in a hetero relationship, If it's not, if
it's monogamous, it's still pretty traditional, kind of.
Yeah. Is this the first time she said
no? I I have other thoughts but is
this the first time she said that she wasn't straight or she
been saying that for a while? I think she had said it
previously, but this is the first time I feel like it's
really getting a lot of attention.
Yeah, I feel like saying that it's modern and, you know, I'm
not just at home. Like it would make me think, oh,
are you in an open marriage? Well, also it's the fact that
she says people wouldn't get it. That's what's making they
wouldn't be there in an open relationship.
I know, but I, I think it's weird 'cause I don't think just
being in an exclusive heterosexual marriage means
you're like lame or boring. Like I don't know why she's
implying that like. Obviously nobody thinks you're
home with an apron. You're Miley Cyrus.
I almost feel like she has. She has a very traditional view
of marriage if she thinks that. That's what it is, but true.
Interesting. Very quickly after that article
came out, it's reported that Miley and Lamb have split her
Rep. I know her Rep shares Liam and
Miley have agreed to separate at this time.
I still remember where I was. I was playing a board game in my
basement. Oh really?
And I was just aghast, Like I was so shocked.
I don't remember where I was, but I was really upset because,
like I said earlier, I thought it just seemed like they
belonged together. They had kept getting back
together and then they finally got married.
It's been years. It's been 10 years more.
So it's really sad, I know. Her Rep continues ever evolving,
changing as partners and individuals.
They have decided that it's what's best.
While they both focus on themselves and careers, they
still remain dedicated parents to all of their animals they
share while lovingly taking this time apart.
Please respect their process and privacy.
Oh, that's a question I should have asked you guys.
When you break up, do you think you should share custody of pets
that you share together? I don't know.
That's really tough. It's so tough.
I think it's tough if you got the pets together at this.
I think if it was kind of someone's pet 1st and then you
live together, I feel like the original parent gets the pet.
But I don't know. I don't know what you do.
That's tough. What do you think?
I think. Most of the time only one person
ends up getting the pet, but I think that would be so
heartbreaking to feel like you lost your partner and you lost
her. Yeah.
I must feel like the person who did the breaking up should be
the one that sacrifices the animal.
Yeah, I agree. Definitely should be the person
who the pet is more attached to and the person who does more
work, but so sad I do. Think.
If you're in a new relationship though, it would be so hard if
your new partner was sharing custody of a dog together with
an ex. Like I would get it but because.
You'd have to see them and you might have to go to their house
and I don't. Know yeah.
And it's like the doors kind of open because they communicate
all the time. Obviously people with kids do
that, but it's not ideal. Like no.
It's not ideal. I mean, I feel like it's
different because I think the general understanding is that
the pet will be OK, but like, it's it's, it's for the best
interest of kids to see both their parents.
You know, it's just it's different.
I know people say like their pets are their kids, but it's
not the same. Yeah, I even said that my cat
was my son, but it's not the same.
Yeah. That is tough though.
I think a lot of people do stay together because they don't want
to lose their their beloved pet. I mean, Lucy had a lot of pets.
You can kind of divide them, you know, that's.
Hard. That's true, that's true.
So Liam posted on Instagram a photo of a sunset with the
caption. Just a quick note to say that
Miley and I have recently separated and I wish her nothing
but health and happiness going forward.
This is a private matter and I have not made, nor will I be
making any comments to any journalists or media outlets.
Any reported quotes attributed to me are false.
OK. I feel like at the time I
thought he was so heartbroken by this statement.
I'm not commenting on this like, I just thought like it sounded
bereaved. Yeah, interesting.
It is a contrast. Like, I feel like Miley's kind
of painted us a bad guy here at the time because she starts
spamming her Instagram with vacation pictures of her in
Italy with her new girlfriend already, Caitlyn Carter, who had
been reported to have broken up with her husband at the time,
Brody Jenner, a week earlier. And a week.
Earlier, Brody Jenner and Caitlyn Carter are also like,
living in Malibu. So I don't know, like, these two
couples had known each other maybe.
Wow, that's crazy. It appears like Milan and
Caitlin both like, broke up with their husbands and, like, ran
away together. It's been exciting.
I know. It's just crazy that they're
like letting us in on this, Like they're very public.
Yeah. So much so that I'm like, is
this a publicity stunt? Are they trying to get their
husband's attention? Like what is going on?
Wow. But they're like posting a lot
of pictures of them kissing. Like it's very, it didn't last
very long though. They broke up in September, so
very quick. Wait, when was this?
August. OK, I hope that girl didn't
leave her husband for Miley. I know I don't know.
But so obviously, like because Miley had moved on so quickly,
there's a lot of backlash. And like, I'll be real, like
when a man does that, there is a lot of backlash in people like
our John Mulaney episode. Like people are like, this is
really sad. So obviously people are going to
assume maybe you cheated. I don't think it's like a sexist
thing. I think whoever moves on
quickly, people think, I don't know, it leaves a bad taste in
people's mouth. Yeah, but of course we don't
know the whole story. Miley knows that people are
upset and she tweets in response.
I swung on a Wrecking Ball naked.
I got kicked off Hotel Transylvania for buying Liam a
penis cake for his birthday and licking it.
I which I never heard about that but I lost a massive Walmart
deal at 17 for ripping a bong. I fucked up and cheated in
relationships when I was young. It is no secret that I was into
partying in my teens and early 20s.
I have not only smoked but advocated for weed.
I've experimented with drugs. My biggest song to date is about
dancing on Molly and snorting lions in the bathroom.
I can. Accept.
Oh wait, I'll. Keep I know, worried that it's
dancing with Miley. Yeah.
Yeah, I know. She admitted it.
She. Confirmed it's Molly.
Oh my. God.
She's a little liar. She's smart though.
That is smart. Like Molly and Miley sound
exactly the same. Yeah.
But also, it's like, what if it was Miley?
But like, now because it's cooler to say Molly, so she's
owning it anyway. She said I can accept that the
life I've chosen means I must live completely open and
transparent with my fans who I love in the public 100% of the
time. What I cannot accept is being
told I'm lying to cover up a crime I haven't committed.
I have nothing to hide. And then basically, like, denies
that she cheated on Liam. OK.
So then very quickly, Miley released a breakup song called
Slide Away that kind of implies like maybe Liam partied too much
and that was the reason for their breakup.
The Alamart for the song are bottles of pills and alcohol
sliding into the ocean, and a friend tells People magazine
everyone always thinks Miley is problematic and immature and a
hardcore partier while he's this chill surfer dude, but that's
actually not accurate. Liam parties with his friends,
and Miley thinks he should have grown out of that by now.
Another friend says she's been supportive of him when things
get dark, but it's tough. That's something that has
weighed on Miley and their relationship.
He can lash out at her and he hates the attention their ups
and downs bring. Wow.
And she performs a song at the VMA's.
She's soaked in water. Feel like it's like trying to
it's like a darker spin on Malibu because it's kind of
about the sea. And she says, I want my house in
the hills, Don't want the whiskey and pills.
I don't give up easily, but I don't think.
But I don't think I'm down. Not what we thought, maybe.
Yeah, she's totally flipping the narrative.
She also said move on. We're not 17.
I'm not who I used to be. You say that everything changed.
You're right. We're grown now.
Interesting. So sad.
It's sad. What the heck?
At this point, it's like we're grieving so.
But yeah, her and Caitlin Carter didn't last.
And then very quickly Miley is publicly dating Cody Simpson and
what again, like very do you remember this like Cody Simpson
were super public and like very heavy on the PDAI don't.
Know why I'm I don't even know if this happened but in my mind
I imagine them like using tongue, like making out.
I feel like they did like it was, it was tough, not going to
lie, because it seemed like like we, we thought you and Liam were
end game, you know, parasocial relationships and who's like
guy, I know Cody Simpson, like what?
Wait, he's Australian? Is he Australian?
I think he is. Oh, that's odd.
Let. Me see.
Yep, Australian. Wow, that was.
Wild. He was in all the teen magazines
like Bop Magazine, Tiger Beat and stuff, but I never really
knew why they were trying to make Cody Simpson happen and.
Yeah. It just didn't.
At least not in America. Maybe in Australia he was
famous, but. He's like a textbook like
rebound replacement because he kind of has like a similar body
to Liam kind of surfery in a way.
But like, at this point, he was like kind of rebranding too.
He's very blonde though, yeah. Whereas Liam is dark hair.
Yeah, yeah. Who even is Cody since?
But I know she she was acting like she's in love with this
guy, just like I don't know where.
She was like, and this is when she said I think I always
thought I had to be a lesbian because like I need a good Dick,
but I found I found good Dick which is like.
My lady, didn't she say that doing a lie?
Instagram live or something? Maybe, Yeah.
Oh, that was bad. Is that the exact?
Quote. I don't.
I don't know if that was. Let me look at that maybe.
But see her saying that kind of reiterates what I was saying
that it almost seems like she feels self-conscious.
I don't know why. I mean, I think it's great that
she wants to be visibly queer and that she's done a lot of
advocacy for gay rights she has. But like, she feels, she seems
like, self-conscious about the fact that she deep down, like,
loves these men. You know what I mean?
It's like the way she said like, oh, our marriage isn't
conventional, and then now saying like, oh, I thought I had
to be. Yeah.
She's definitely self-conscious about her image, she said.
Guys, I was being a little too, like, hardcore feminist vibes
and just, like, I don't know, not allowing anyone in.
But now I am. There are good men out there,
guys. Don't give up.
You don't have to be gay. There are good people.
There are good people with Dicks out there.
You just got to find them. You got to find a Dick that's
not a Dick. You know what I mean?
Oh my goodness. She says.
I always thought I had to be gay because I just thought all guys
are evil, but that's not true. There are good people out there
that just happen to have Dicks. I've only ever met one and he's
on this live. Oh my God, Cody Simpson.
This D is fire. Is he really the only good man
you've ever met? I.
Know what about your husband that is kind of problematic
because it does make it sound like guys like you just need to
find a good Dick. Yeah, it's like implying that
like lesbians are only with other women because they've
never found the right man. Miley, that was.
Bad. This is why people celebrities
should not do Instagram lives. It reminds me so much of Vanessa
Hudgens. Yes, people are going to die,
but inevitable. Maybe I shouldn't be saying.
This, I almost thought this was worse when Miley said for some
reason like, yeah, because. I mean, nobody really knew what
was going on at the start of COVID, that everybody was
flailing. And it's kind of understandable.
Yeah. But this is just like a
overarching, yeah. And then we kind of, she was
like, I was in my hardcore feminist era.
It's like, oh God, it's like it makes it seem.
It makes it seem like it was a little performative before,
which is like a stereotype sometimes too so.
Yeah, I know. That's true.
Miley, Miley. I think that's the thing, I love
Miley and I love, I love like all the things that make her
unique. But I think sometimes those can
also be her like Achilles heel because she can be like a little
uneducated about things or like a little impulsive and not
really think things through. And I think that can be her
downside. It's so we, I mean, people are
always full of contradictions. Everybody is, I think.
But it's interesting how she seemed so much like someone who
doesn't give an F, like don't doing her own thing.
She's crazy. But she does ultimately seem to
care so much about her image and what people think.
And she's always changing her mind.
And you know, it's interesting. She's a complicated character.
His sister-in-law, Liam's sister-in-law Elsa Tadaki, who
is married to Chris Hemsworth, told reporters at an event in
Madrid. My brother-in-law, well, after a
relationship where he dedicated 10 years, he's discouraged, but
he's taking it well. He's a strong guy and he
deserves the best. I think he deserves much more.
OK, in laws are coming forward. I know they're, you know, and so
Miley and Liam settled their divorce, so obviously they must
have really been married. No.
And then she puts out in 2020 her album Plastic Hearts, and
there's a song seemingly about Liam called What the Fuck Do I
Know? And the lyrics are am I wrong
that I moved on and and I don't even miss you, thought that it'd
be you until I die, but I let go.
What the fuck do I know? Wow, don't even miss you.
I know in 2020 this and now Miley and Cody Simpson are
broken up so maybe she didn't really find good Dick.
After all, it got boring after a while.
Yeah, yeah. But it's 2021 and in May Miley
makes a post to celebrate the four year anniversary of Malibu.
And she wrote a song about a place and a person that at the
time I loved very much. And then?
At the time. At the time.
Yeah. In June, she went on Joe Rogan
and she talked about the breakup and the backlash and she said, I
recently just went through a very public divorce that fucking
sucked or really sucked about. It wasn't the fact that me and
someone that I loved realize that we don't love each other
the way that we used to anymore. That's OK.
I can accept that. I can't accept the villainizing
and the just all the stories. It's just amazing to me that the
public kind of thinks that there's no gap of time that they
didn't see the see that could possibly be what led to this.
Like, it's not one day you were happy and then on the red
carpet, and then the next day you were making out with your
friend in Italy. What the fuck?
There was a lot of time in between that you didn't see.
Yeah, I believe that. I believe it.
But I will say they got married in December.
We broke up like in August. It was less than a year.
I feel like time is relative at this point.
Like we did see them happily together.
It seemed like up until then we thought, you know.
I know, unless we're supposed to think that they when they got
married, we're like in a terrible place or something, but
I doubt it. It's just not the speed that
usual relationships. Yeah, Yeah.
She also compared their relationship to an addiction.
She said, actually, the one I called the love of mine who I
was with, and we got divorced. It was almost like a pacifier.
It was that thing that I just needed, not because we were in
love anymore, but because of the comfort and because my brain
said, oh, this feels better. This is comforting.
But actually knowing that I was giving into an addiction made me
feel worse. I had that hangover.
It felt like a relapse every time I got back.
That's so sad, but that is mature for her to realize.
I guess so, but like dating those other people right after
to me seems like the same exact. I mean, what's the difference?
Yeah, I know that's. So true.
I'm not saying you have to be alone, but I just, if you're
like, trying to break an addiction from one thing to like
just. Jump into the, I don't know, I,
I kind of tend to agree with you because they it was like so
passionate too and like so all over the place.
She was like, oh, taking it slow with code.
No, no, she said, men in my life have told me I'm a cold fucking
bitch because I leave when things are done.
I'm really into a lot of freaky things, but I don't fuck dead
guys. When it's over, it's over and
you're dead to me and I move on, which is nice, but I again, I
love Miley, but Miley, that's not true.
Like when it's over, it's not over because you've had two
relationships now that we've covered that have been so
incredibly off and on. It's like she wants it to be
true. I know, but it's not.
Yeah, maybe she just has a different definition of over,
but yeah. I mean, I wouldn't even say that
about I'm not that kind of person.
I would not say like when it's over, it's over.
Like, no, I definitely still hold on and have feelings for
forever. So it's like she feels like
pressured to be this super independent woman.
It's kind of sad, I know. I I agree.
I feel like she's like she's ashamed to admit to this
vulnerability of feeling the need to be with someone.
Like she only says stuff like this when it's like in the past,
like I felt like I needed a boyfriend at the time.
I needed this, but now I don't. But it's like, you said that but
then like gone back together with him.
So I don't know. In 20/22 she was performing at
Lollapalooza in Brazil and a fan got proposed to in the crowd and
she said yes forever bitch. Yes.
Congratulations honey, I hope your marriage goes better than
mine. Mine was a fucking disaster.
Oh no. Oh, and we're almost.
We're almost a present day in 2023.
Miley dropped her single flowers on Liam's birthday.
I didn't know that. Yeah, I didn't know it either.
That's crazy. This is, like, Miley's biggest
hit in a while. Like, she hadn't, like,
dominated the charts before the song in a hot minute.
And this is the song that helped her win her first Grammy.
And immediately people assumed that it was a dig at Liam.
Obviously, it was released on his birthday.
And the story, like on social media and on TikTok that I
remember seeing was that Bruno Liam had dedicated a Bruno Mars
song when I Was Your Man to Miley and that now she's like,
flipping this on him. But I don't know how people know
that. I couldn't find it anywhere.
I will say I feel like Bruno Mars should have gotten
songwriting credits if that was the case because it's a catchy
song but it's not super original.
Because the Bruno Mars lyrics are like I wish I I should have
bought you flowers. Yeah, she says.
I can buy my own flowers. I should have hold your hand.
I can hold my own hand. I should have taken you dancing
like I can take myself dancing. It's like, just like taking what
he said and being like, I can, I can love myself.
I don't think though. I don't think that you can.
I don't think you have a case there though.
I think it's only like when melodies are the same.
I don't think if lyrics are like similar.
That's true. They can do anything about that.
But yeah, that is it sounds it must be a play on Bruno Mars.
So after the music video came out, there was this very common
narrative on social media, mostly TikTok, that it was a
reaction to Liam allegedly cheating on Miley.
The day it came out, a pop culture account on Twitter
called Pop Tings tweeted. The house where the music video
for Miley's Flowers was recorded was previously used by Liam
Hemsworth to cheat on Miley with more than 14 women while they
were married. What?
And this week up 4.9 million views, 45,000 likes and 10,000
shares to date. But there's no other evidence of
this and I I don't want to this pop culture.
Account. Yeah, How would they know that?
I have no idea. Like it is a pretty huge claim
and this became very mainstream. Like I remember seeing a lot of
tik toks. Miley is changing the narrative
now. Liam was a cheater this whole
time. And maybe that's true.
Like the January June stuff was SUS before they got married.
But people are really taking it as gospel and.
That could be completely made-up.
I kind of think it is also their house burnt down.
Yeah, true. They're acting like it was in
the house they lived in together.
And so adding to that, Miley in the music video is wearing this
shiny gold dress. And people are comparing that to
the dress that Jennifer Lawrence wore at The Hunger Games
premiere. So they think that Miley is
taking a dig at Jennifer Lawrence like that.
He cheated on her with Jay Law. But Jay Law was asked about this
on Andy Cohen, and she goes, it's not true.
A total rumor. And I believe her because we
know that they hooked up. But Miley and Liam, like, I feel
like people have amnesia. The fact that they were broken
up for a lot of those ten years. They weren't just like to gather
the whole time. As we just said.
People kind of lack that though. They're like, oh, like they were
together for It's like they were broken up for a good while.
During that time. It was not a consecutive 10
years. Anytime you see something on the
Internet, you really have to Fact Check it right away.
Like, you can't just believe, especially if it's just like a
picture that has text on it. Like, don't believe that.
It's probably. Yeah, I'm just looking it up
right now. Like in the video, she's wearing
this tight. It's actually like a shirt and
pants with, like, a hood. It's gold.
And yeah, Jennifer Lawrence wore a tight gold dress, but it's not
exactly the same. Yeah.
Oh yeah, those are pants. I thought it was like all
connected. Kind of a stretch.
I mean, is that gold Jennifer Lawrence dress even like that?
Iconic. I'm surprised people noticed.
I don't think so. It's like one premiere and like
does Jennifer Lawrence own the color gold like also?
But I had seen other theories that it was a reference to Bruno
Mars because he has the song 24 karat gold.
So maybe that's why she wore gold in the music video.
Maybe. I do find it that whole thing a
little annoying because I just don't think that that is a
verifiable claim. And now it's become mainstream
and I feel like it's a lot of like, Miley fans that are
pushing that narrative for the sake of the song.
I get a little annoyed when people look for too much
symbolism and things too, Like I don't know, I feel like it might
be just a coincidence or like just 'cause it looks cool.
I don't know if maybe there was a reason, but maybe it just
looked good. Yeah, And at this point, too,
Miley, this is like a years after.
Like this could be about a different relationship, too.
But also she's wearing like a oversized suit in it.
So people were like, that's Liam's suit that he wore when he
said can you just behave for once on the red carpet or
whatever? OK, at this point though, like
The Hunger Games premiere was so long ago.
I know. I feel like if I, I mean, maybe
Miley really holds on to things, but I feel like I did too.
But still, if I was coming out with an album right now and
coming up with the whole creative concept, the outfits,
the visuals, whatever, I don't think I would be like thinking
of influences and things from like eight years ago or like,
you know what I mean? Just it's possible.
But the 100 years, yeah, it was a long time ago.
Yeah, it was literally like 10 years earlier.
Yeah. And like you said, it's just not
that iconic of it. Look, no, no offense to Jennifer
Lawrence, but like, I don't think she's necessarily
associated with that. Yeah, if it was like her big
dress that she wore to the Oscars when she tripped or
something, like. Yeah, with the backwards
necklace. Yeah, or like, I even remember
she wore this, like, red dress to the Oscars when she was
nominated for Winter's Bone. I don't know why I remember that
but. I remember that too.
She looked great. Yeah.
But. Any celebrity, I feel like any
celebrity who's been around for a minute, like you could
probably find them wearing a similar outfit if it's just like
a solid color. But yeah, I mean, Miley didn't
refute it, but that is actually it.
That's Miley and Liam. Wow, I thought this was going to
be like 3. Hours.
I know, I'm actually surprised. I guess like really skipped the
back stories. That's true.
That was great though.
Oh my gosh, I can't believe you did all that research.
Yeah, it was a lot of going back in time, but.
Thank you, Mel. I almost feel like the odds of
them getting back together are not zero percent.
Oh no, I think me neither get back together.
I honestly think they will. I could see it.
This is like. 10% chance.
I don't think she was like, when it's over, it's over.
But like, if this song is really about Liam, it's not really
over. And if that's the case, yeah,
true. I would say 10 as well.
We we said this last time, but we still haven't had a couple
get back together. No, but I could see that for
them. I could see not.
Out of the question. It is sad, I know.
It reminds me of like Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, just a
couple that after everything they've been through, I just, I
wouldn't think that they would break up, you know?
But I guess nothing is sacred in Hollywood.
I know. I'm kind of interested in
hearing Cody Simpson. I know.
Wait, maybe we could cover that that.
Could be a fun bonus episode. Yeah, I'm honestly, there's a
lot of material. Even though it was short, they
gave us a lot so. Let us know if you want that
guys. Next episode we are going away
from Hollywood and we're going to Washington, DC.
We're talking about a couple that is associated with
politics, but they are not politicians.
OK, I think I know one person's kind of scandalous, scandalous
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