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Are You Lonesome Tonight? 
Do you miss me tonight? 

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Are you sorry? 
We drifted does your mail, 

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right? 
We're recording. 

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Welcome to the podcast. 
Welcome to significant lovers 

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Mel. 
We are two cousins. 

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I'm Kel and I am L. 
I'm nervous. 

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I'm nervous right now. 
So I'm just going to pretend I'm

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talking about, I know guys like 
even though we're just two 

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cousins talking to each other, 
we still get stage fright before

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the podcast you get stage 
fright. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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Thanks for joining us though. 
I know I said I was going to 

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talk to you but but thanks for 
joining us. 

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This is a podcast about 
relationships about love, is it 

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conversational type of podcast, 
sometimes As we get inspired to 

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talk about, you know, love 
cheating breakups, whatever 

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might have you. 
So yeah we might have some 

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tangents. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
Because sometimes the view 

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celebrities reflect our own 
experiences. 

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Yeah. 
Or friends or families. 

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Are you know just makes you 
think. 

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Yeah this makes you think 
because love is so confusing and

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crazy and nobody has it figured 
out. 

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So Nobody, we're looking to 
other people to make sense of 

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it. 
And I feel like today, well, 

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neither of us are married. 
But I feel like today, we're 

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going to talk about marriage to 
make a long marriage work. 

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Because this couple has been 
married for 30 years. 

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Oh my God. 
Mmm. 

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Wow. 
I mean that's not like the 

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longest people have ever been on
our show. 

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I feel like we don't usually 
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like that. 
So At least, not yet. 

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Mmm. 
And yeah. 

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So, today we are talking about 
the Obamas Barack Obama. 

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Michelle Obama. 
Oh, mama Riley. 

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Yeah, thanks Obama. 
Big that. 

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Yeah, we were like a little bit 
too young. 

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I mean we weren't, but like, we 
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Yeah, you know, know Obama elect
was elected in when I was in 

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seventh grade. 
So yep. 

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Yep and yeah. 
So this is a iconic couple. 

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I feel like you we always we're 
going to do them someday. 

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I thought that they seemed a 
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Yes and no most not that 
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thought, but I got into this, I 
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the thing that made me 
interested in doing this jumping

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ahead though. 
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said, she couldn't stand her 
husband for ten years. 

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That's one-third of the things 
but that they made it through 

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and that piqued my interest, I 
thought. 

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Okay, that's interesting. 
I like that. 

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She admitted that. 
I know we'll get more into that 

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later. 
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that, you know, this is a 
political couple of the traffic 

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in those there. 
Well right now this is this is a

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political couple obviously 
Barack Obama was the president 

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of the United States but guys 
were not going to get To 

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politics. 
I'm not going to get into the 

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administration and what 
happened, and that's just 

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because it's not the scope of 
our podcast. 

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That would be way too much to 
come. 

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And yeah, that would be way that
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about Barack Obama. 
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yeah. 
And there's an albino was cast 

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out there. 
If that's what you want to 

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listen to. 
If you want to hear about more 

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about his presence presidency, 
I'm sure there's podcast out 

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there so you know, it's just not
our wheelhouse. 

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House. 
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Barack and Michelle is love 
story for those who are curious.

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I'm very curious. 
Yeah, I enjoyed researching this

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I guess I should say Mel is 
still sick. 

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Bre, this is three weeks now. 
It's been horrible. 

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The Bones. 
Come on, antibiotics. 

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Now, but this isn't a doctor's 
listening, like what? 

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Someone gets a gold and then it 
does get better. 

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It actually gets worse. 
Like, what do you think? 

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What do you guys think that is 
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this before? 
Like it's very respiratory. 

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And a fever of 102 .9 yesterday,
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It's not the flu, it's not 
strap, it's not covid. 

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They put me on antibiotics but I
don't know. 

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So anyone has any advice? 
I'm going to Portugal next week.

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So I'm gonna be better, guys. 
That's how dedicated she is. 

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She is still recording. 
Look professional. 

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But if my voice sounds weird, 
don't say anything. 

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Yeah, because I'm just trying 
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the talking today but yeah, so 
take someone Pressure off. 

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You can just go mmm-hmm. 
All right? 

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Usually we say three words to 
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What I came up with for them is 
grounded. 

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Mmm, honest I'm teasing, I love 
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Yeah, yeah, it's overall, pretty
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Couple. 
Nice break from tragedy and hmm.

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Yeah, break up. 
You do. 

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Okay? 
So you doing no cheating, right?

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None will see. 
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that's okay. 
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you know, who are these people? 
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but, you know, I didn't really 
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them. 
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Michelle Obama, born, Michelle 
Lavon Robinson, Michelle 

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Robinson think that's how she'll
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So she's On January 17th, 1964 
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she's 511, the tall lady, mmm. 
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personality just from all my 
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I mean, I'm sure a lot of you 
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but if you don't, she seems very
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Sharp determined does the right 
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Can laugh and have fun, maybe a 
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That's just about I was going 
for my research. 

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Her father was Fraser Robinson, 
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employee and a democratic 
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like a local government thing. 
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until Michelle was in high 
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But I don't know what she did 
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something. 
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who is now a college basketball 
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Actually, mmm-hmm she was 
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Methodist And turn Brock are 
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and she has described her 
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Leave it to Beaver. 
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lived on the whole family lived 
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house and I guess it was just a 
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they're friends with all the 
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very tight-knit wholesome group,
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they lived on the second floor 
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And her dad said, the reason 
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was worth it for them. 
Save money so that they could go

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on vacation and they could save 
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So, yeah, they were they were 
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middle class, but they ended up 
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living with the aunt. 
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sacrifices. 
The sacrifices you make for your

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family. 
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a lot. 
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student. 
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Magnet High School which had 
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round trip the bus. 
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day. 
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her class second in her class. 
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And in high school, stay the guy
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smoked pot in his car and they 
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all I know about him. 
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Yeah, and she followed her 
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He went there to. 
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And she majored in sociology, in
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studies. 
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at Princeton The first time she 
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ethnicity and experienced 
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I think there's a girl. 
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mom didn't want her to room with
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You know. 
Stuff like that horrible. 

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Yeah. 
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also experienced like seeing 
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never seen such Rich. 
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culture shock when she was at 
Princeton, she dated the guy 

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named Kevin who was two years 
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So we're both our dads, David 
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that's interested. 
Kevin was two years older, he 

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played for the football team. 
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to medical school but then he 
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become a pro football mascot. 
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to medical school anyway and be 
human doctors. 

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Is that a new job growth of our 
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Yeah. 
Very different doctor. 

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I know Princeton has the so 
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becoming a doctor. 
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Really he's just a guy who 
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Yeah. 
You haven't we all know. 

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Have you thought about being a 
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No. 
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have to laugh. 
I have to cough. 

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Oh no. 
Every but I feel like I have 

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thought about like just those 
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like I would love to be like at 
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Like one of the people who like 
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Oh, oh, that's interesting. 
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yeah, like that's kind of 
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That gets people hyped up, you 
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like to be a mailman. 
Oh, date woman. 

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Good benefits. 
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Benefits, my dad was, like, 
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Yeah, yeah. 
I do something about it. 

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Seems nice just driving around 
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Get to see y'all. 
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like, like an okay amount of 
money. 

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a mailman, so maybe that stuck 
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Yeah. 
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Michelle. 
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Harvard Law School, she's fancy,
and she earned her Juris doctor 

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and she went on to work at a law
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All right. 
Now to Barack Barack Hussein 

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Obama. 
The second is his name. 

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He, I don't know why I include 
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I just get here as he's six foot
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tallest. 
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That was Abraham Lincoln. 
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I think we all kind of know that
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president. 
He is the second tallest. 

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Wow. 
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Who's the shortest? 
I forget he was someone from 

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like the 1800s. 
That? 

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Yeah, probably sure. 
I can remember that. 

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The guy was 54. 
Oh my God. 

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Are you kidding? 
No. 

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Oh, I thought you said for some 
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I know he's 54. 
Um so yeah Brock Obama he was 

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the 44th President of the United
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he had a whole life. 
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on my research I would say that 
he's Charming smart witty funny 

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but also serious dedicated 
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Maybe he said that himself he 
definitely talks a lot. 

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I like how we are now doing 
these, like summaries as 

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characters as if they're like 
Sims there. 

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Or something. 
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I like that. 
Yeah. 

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So his dad Barack Obama senior 
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His mother Stanley, Ann Dunham. 
I think she just went by an but 

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she went on to be an 
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Barack Obama senior. 
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University of Hawaii, crazy is 
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back in Kenya when they met but 
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and he had two kids too. 
That's Crazy married and 

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legally. 
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Wow, another one. 
Oh my God. 

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I know I think I did know that. 
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Um for an kind of the otherwise.
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I can't remember how but somehow
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married. 
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4th 1961. 
Apparently growing up some 

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people called him. 
Barry I've heard that. 

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Yeah I'm so used to just calling
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AMA. 
So I know, I don't really know 

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what to call him in this 
episode. 

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I guess Barack. 
Yeah, we're Obama. 

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Yeah, he was born baby. 
Barack was born. 

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August 4th, 1961. 
I read that. 

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They considered putting him up 
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there's not a ton of evidence. 
Like maybe Barack Obama's. 

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Senior just said that, I don't 
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divorced or separated. 
I don't really know how it 

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worked with them. 
Already being married thing, but

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they divorced and His dad moved 
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only a toddler and he last saw 
him when he was 10 years old. 

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Oh wow, I actually read that 
book. 

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He wrote a Dreams of My Father. 
I read it in college but I 

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remember what his dad come back 
and visit occasionally. 

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I think he did, okay. 
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he was 10 and he didn't get it. 
That's so sad. 

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I know he had a stepfather, 
right? 

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He did. 
He did eventually get so his mom

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and him, they moved to It'll and
then his mom. 

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Married, a man from Indonesia 
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Indonesia. 
Oh my gosh. 

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Yeah, so you lived in Indonesia 
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Hawaii and fifth grade to live 
with his mom's parents. 

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grandparents in Hawaii. 
Moved around a lot as the 

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exactly that's the keeps us keep
Reinventing yourself. 

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At least famous people move 
around a lot. 

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He Handed Occidental as I say it
seems the college in Los Angeles

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for two years. 
Then he trained Los Angeles. 

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Yeah. 
Oh for college akaka. 

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Sorry sense. 
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Los Angeles for two for two 
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Columbia University in New York.
When does young adult? 

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He seemed have some more 
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He seemed very bookish reader. 
Charming intelligent wordy D as 

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in loves use big words kind of 
know it all. 

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Hmm he's a really good writer. 
He really was. 

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So there's this book by David 
maraniss called Barack Obama, 

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the story and in it there's 
letters and journals from 

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Obama's. 
Ex-girlfriend just crazy to me 

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because he's still alive. 
Like doesn't that seem like 

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something people? 
Do really historical figures. 

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Imagine like him leading it. 
I feel like if if that was V 

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like I'm sure these are letters 
that he had. 

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One time yet. 
Yeah, but you see a collection 

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put together? 
I would die. 

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I would be kind of embarrassing 
but also colored. 

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Yeah, how who liked, who got 
these? 

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The guy that wrote this book, I 
guess, contacted his 

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ex-girlfriend's, some of them 
were willing to give them to 

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nice at. 
So, many leaves them must have 

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been a good lover yet true. 
I think he was Okay. 

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Wall Street Journal wrote about 
this book in said that Obama 

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comes off in the letters. 
Is quote, pretty much what you'd

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expect from any 20-something 
introvert. 

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Self-contained self-absorbed, 
and prone to overwrap Pros. 

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Buddhist might be cringing right
now, is any of us would? 

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But Moran has told us Wednesday.
He had no qualms about 

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publishing details, about the 
young lovers. 

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The book is after all biography.
He said the letters and diary 

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entries are more perceptive than
salacious. 

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I want to read that. 
Yeah. 

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And you can actually look see 
pictures like Scans of the 

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letters and Obama's handwriting 
looked really nice. 

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It was like cursive very 
elegant. 

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That's really sweet. 
Oh my gosh, I guess I do today. 

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Someone could publish like a 
book of like Texas legends that 

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you've sent, that would be 
terrible, but legally they could

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write. 
I don't know. 

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I don't know how that works. 
I mean, what's the difference 

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between that? 
And I don't know, water, I 

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guess. 
That's crazy. 

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How do we know he didn't didn't 
fake the letters though? 

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Yeah you're right. 
I don't know about those moments

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is though 1982, he had a Summer 
Romance with a girl named. 

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Alex mcneir, go ahead, call a 
smart blond. 

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Hmm, there were nine letters in 
the book sent by Obama to Alex 

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mcneir. 
And they're actually at Emory 

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University today where they will
be placed in an archive which I 

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just think is Crazy because he's
still alive. 

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I know, you know, we talked 
about Jane Austen Museum, you 

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can read her letters. 
It's just so weird. 

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Like, he could go to the museum 
because he's own letter. 

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He wrote to an ex-girlfriend. 
I'm just kind of weird for 

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Michelle. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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She Alex, when he wrote in her 
journal about him, she said I 

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know this isn't Michelle but 
like we can't get this from 

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Michelle. 
So I just wanted to read it. 

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I don't know Forever, cover him 
and his ex-girlfriend's. 

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I'll bet Alex wrote the sexual 
of warmth. 

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Is definitely there but this is 
her journal but the rest of it 

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has sharp edges, though, he 
speak sweet words and can be 

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open and trusting. 
There's also that coolness and I

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begin to have an inkling of some
things about him that could get 

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to me. 
Baraka still intrigues me but so

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much going on beneath the 
surface Out Of Reach guarded 

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controlled who seems like he has
it got like his walls Upton is 

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complex complex food. 
Sadly that year his father died 

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actually Really in a car 
accident and it was his third 

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car accident. 
It seems like, he'd been kind of

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Reckless drinking and things 
Brock and seen him since he was 

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10, as I said. 
So it was very complicated for 

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him. 
Yeah, that's like in the book, 

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he wrote In 1995 Dreams of My 
Father, but we're not there yet.

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After Alex mcneir in the early 
80s when he was in New York. 

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He dated a girl named Genevieve 
cook and according to that 

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writer, David maraniss Heath 
says that this was Barack 

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Steepest romantic relationship 
of his young life. 

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Both of them had couldn't 
coincidentally lived in 

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Indonesia as children and moved 
around a lot. 

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So they bonded over that she had
diary pages and stuff, too. 

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I feel. 
So, like salacious saying this, 

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but in the diary, she talked 
about doing cocaine with rock my

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God, Pretty crazy, she bought? 
She said he didn't really do it 

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that much. 
He said, for every five lines of

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someone did, he would have done 
half? 

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Okay. 
Seems like he was giving in to 

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peer pressure. 
Oh, some wondered the relevance 

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of including this in the book 
and the author said my job as a 

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historian is to recount. 
What they believe is important. 

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And neither, I nor they can 
control the Tabloid journalists 

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who are so preoccupied with sex,
and largely disinterested in his

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political record. 
Hmm, it's a cop out. 

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He's like Hi, yeah, I put it in 
there but I can't help. 

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But people are interested in. 
Yeah, no, it's true. 

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I've just say like with the JFK 
episode, we talked about how 

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Carolyn did. 
Yeah. 

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So can I saw me? 
He taught people like stop 

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judging them. 
Like I'm not judging them at 

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all. 
I'm their young people. 

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Yeah, I mean, I think Coke can 
be a dangerous drug but it's 

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just kind of exciting to hear 
about. 

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Yeah. 
I'm not just because it's weird 

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that people would assume that 
just because we're Saying 

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someone did Coke that I'm saying
that they're a bad person or 

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something. 
It's just interesting. 

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I mean, he became the president,
it's just interesting to me but 

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yeah I can sit down to hang. 
Yeah, I mean I don't do Coke but

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like I don't I'm getting nervous
than when I think it's cool. 

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You know what it's whatever. 
I don't know. 

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It is it make? 
It is a risky drugs. 

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I'm not like making light of it.
Yes no I'm not like I'm not 

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hurting people to do it. 
I just think it's like it's nice

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to see know I do actually it 
just shows how human exoti. 

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Exactly. 
That's what this shows about 

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that in the thing, okay? 
But then he moved to Chicago to 

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become a community organizer, 
and they broke up, he dated and 

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I-95. 
I dated someone else named 

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Sheila, miyoshi either Jagger or
Yeager, I'm not sure how you 

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pronounce it. 
She is Japanese and Dutch. 

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So, I don't know if she 
pronounces it as Yeager or 

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Jagger, but he actually proposed
Used to Sheila, what she said? 

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No, oh my goodness, not yet. 
And did they stay dating? 

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They did State dating. 
But I read, I don't know how 

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people know this that apparently
he tried to focus more on work. 

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After she said, you know, I 
really think it would be hard to

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continue dating someone after 
they rejected a proposal. 

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Yeah. 
And I read also, but at one 

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point, Obama attempted to end 
their relationship because in 

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this confuses me. 
Because why did he propose It 

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doesn't really make sense to me,
but apparently he attempted to 

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end their relationship because 
of race. 

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Sheila was white or like, half 
Japanese, half Dutch and people,

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claimed that Obama believed that
marrying a white woman would 

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hurt his credibility as an 
African-American politician. 

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Oh wow. 
According to one of his 

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biographers David Garrow when 
Brock was in at Chicago, there 

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was a local African-American 
Blake black state, Senator 

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Richard. 
Her new house who is very well 

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known figure and everyone in the
black community. 

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Believe that he couldn't pursue 
further political life because 

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he had a white wife and that 
Barack Obama was aware of that 

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and considered it a problem for 
black politician to be married 

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to a white woman. 
I, I know that's like the 

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reality, but it's sad that 
people have to consider that I 

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know where his two other past 
girlfriends white as well. 

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One of them definitely was but 
I'm not sure about the other 

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one. 
Yeah, I'm not sure Obama 

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apparently told a friend, the 
line. 

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Very clearly drawn. 
If I'm going out with a white 

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woman, I have no standing here. 
Just an interesting. 

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It is interesting, too, because 
he is half white as well, you 

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know, mmm, after Barack and 
Michelle Obama married. 

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He apparently did keep in 
contact with Steelo occasional 

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letter. 
Apparently, there was one after 

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the 9/11 attacks and a phone 
call in 2012. 

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Oh, well, because he reached out
to ask whether a biographer had 

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contacted her. 
Oh interesting. 

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It's like it. 
David crazy. 

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You're getting a call from your 
ex your ex is also the president

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that is crazy because you can 
walk there. 

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Yes. 
What things to get a call from 

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an ex but to be the president. 
Oh my God. 

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Okay. 
That was also be crazy for your 

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ex to be the president. 
Yeah. 

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Because then they're like your 
president and you have to see 

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them all the time and every time
there's omigod National 

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disaster, something. 
On the TV and there he is. 

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That is crazy. 
Sheila today is a professor at 

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Oberlin College, so it seems 
like he really likes SMART 

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Girls. 
Mmm. 

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Yeah, nice. 
I like to see that. 

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So he went to Harvard Law, he's 
actually the first black 

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president of Harvard Law and he 
studied there from 1988 to 1991,

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and during the summer at 
Harvard, he was an associate at 

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sidley, Austin LLP in Chicago, 
where he first met Michelle 

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Robinson. 
Okay, so it's 1989. 

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Michelle was a 25 year. 
Old attorney at sidley. 

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Austin assigned is brocks Mentor
at their Law Firm. 

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He was 27, so he's older. 
But she was actually above him. 

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Oh, I love that. 
Hmm, and they met at work. 

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Isn't that crazy? 
People always say don't take 

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your coworker but you know what 
seems like it works out 

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sometimes. 
Yeah. 

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I mean it makes sense because 
that's where spending most of 

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your time. 
Yeah, yeah, I feel like if 

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Really have feelings for 
someone. 

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Just go for it. 
I think the best way to meet 

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people are in situations where 
you're forced to be there. 

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Yeah, yeah, totally, yeah. 
So they were paired together 

460
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,500
like she was paired as his 
mentor apparently because they 

461
00:25:06,500 --> 00:25:10,300
both went to Harvard. 
And in his Memoir, a Promised 

462
00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:13,700
Land Obama said he was smitten 
with her from the start. 

463
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,900
He wrote, she was tall, 
beautiful, funny outgoing, 

464
00:25:16,900 --> 00:25:20,600
gently so many adjectives. 
She was tall, beautiful, funny, 

465
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,400
outgoing generous and wickedly 
smart and I was spitting with. 

466
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,400
Her from almost a second. 
I saw her she has said to Good 

467
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,600
Morning America once, and then 
in walks, Barack Obama and 

468
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,400
Brock. 
Obama has always walked like, 

469
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,900
Barack Obama, like he's got all 
the time in the world and I was 

470
00:25:35,900 --> 00:25:38,500
like, dude, you're cute. 
But in my mind, I was like 

471
00:25:38,500 --> 00:25:41,100
off-limits, I'm not going to 
date one of the few black summer

472
00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:44,000
Associates. 
She told Good Morning America. 

473
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,800
I have my suspicions when a 
bunch of white folks Fawn all 

474
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,300
over black man because I sort of
think, okay, he can talk 

475
00:25:49,300 --> 00:25:50,600
straight so they think he's 
wonderful. 

476
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,200
So that was my theory and his 
name is was Barack And he's from

477
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,100
Hawaii, I thought what, you 
know. 

478
00:25:56,100 --> 00:25:58,000
So I didn't really know what to 
expect. 

479
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,600
So I guess a month in of him 
being at sidley, Austin, he 

480
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,600
asked her on a date and 
apparently she said, well, she 

481
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,300
has said about this, no way. 
This is completely tacky. 

482
00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:09,900
I don't know what she said. 
She won't probably didn't say 

483
00:26:09,900 --> 00:26:13,200
that to him, but she said, no, 
not once those. 

484
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,500
I think of him, as someone I'd 
want to date, she wrote in her 

485
00:26:16,500 --> 00:26:20,000
Memoir becoming for one thing. 
I was his mentor at the firm. 

486
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,400
I also recently sworn off dating
altogether, too. 

487
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,500
Consumed with work to put any 
effort into it. 

488
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,900
So yeah, he asked her out she 
said, no but apparently he asked

489
00:26:29,900 --> 00:26:35,100
again. 
That's six alot of God, which is

490
00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:38,500
persistent. 
And they did go on a date. 

491
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,700
They went to the Art Institute 
of Chicago, and they went on a 

492
00:26:41,708 --> 00:26:44,500
stroll and they saw the movie do
the right thing. 

493
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,100
And Michelle said about this 
night, we clicked right away by 

494
00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:51,300
the end of the date. 
It was over. 

495
00:26:51,300 --> 00:26:55,100
I was sold. 
And Barack told oh magazine 

496
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,000
Oprah, I treated her to the 
finest. 

497
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,300
Ice cream. 
Baskin Robbins had to offer our 

498
00:27:00,300 --> 00:27:02,200
dinner table doubling as the 
curb. 

499
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,800
I kissed her and it tasted like 
chocolate. 

500
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,700
Oh, he's cute. 
He's cute. 

501
00:27:08,500 --> 00:27:12,000
I cannot I wish I could but I 
cannot have ice cream on a date.

502
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,700
Why not? 
My lactose intolerant. 

503
00:27:14,700 --> 00:27:18,600
See, I know I should you're so 
good to always be carrying that 

504
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,600
around with you. 
Yeah, I mean I know I'm gonna 

505
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,700
get a stomachache so I'm not 
gonna. 

506
00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:25,500
Yeah. 
I mean, there's a lot of vegan 

507
00:27:25,500 --> 00:27:27,000
flavors these days. 
That's true. 

508
00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:31,700
There's actually a memorial to 
their first day in Chicago at 

509
00:27:31,700 --> 00:27:33,700
the site of the This box back in
Robins, I guess. 

510
00:27:33,700 --> 00:27:40,300
Wow. 
Yeah I know I don't think they 

511
00:27:40,300 --> 00:27:45,600
will jumping ahead but no, 
there's actually a movie about 

512
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,300
their first date called there's 
a whole movie. 

513
00:27:49,900 --> 00:27:53,200
I'm gonna find like a short film
or a movie movie. 

514
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,000
There's a movie about their 
first date called the south side

515
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,900
with you. 
Oh my God, I don't really get 

516
00:27:58,900 --> 00:28:03,100
how you can make a whole movie. 
One day, I was The trailer and 

517
00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:06,300
it just, I don't know. 
I don't get what the conflict 

518
00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:09,100
would be. 
Maybe the fact that he asked her

519
00:28:09,100 --> 00:28:12,800
out and she said, no him working
up the guts to ask her again 

520
00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:15,100
that. 
I don't know how you stretched 

521
00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:18,600
out into a feature film though. 
Yeah, it seems like it takes 

522
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,800
place in one day too, so I don't
know. 

523
00:28:20,808 --> 00:28:22,900
Maybe it's like a Before Sunset 
tape. 

524
00:28:22,900 --> 00:28:24,600
Maybe. 
Yeah, maybe there isn't really a

525
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,600
plot but, yeah, check that out 
if you're interested in 

526
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,800
interested, guys. 
So yeah, then then they're 

527
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:35,100
dating They're together, he's 
still in law school. 

528
00:28:35,700 --> 00:28:40,800
Michelle actually left the law 
firm because she was feeling 

529
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,000
like she need more fulfillment. 
It was like to corporate, I 

530
00:28:44,008 --> 00:28:46,300
don't know, she wanted to help 
people. 

531
00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:49,100
And so she ended up holding 
public sector positions in 

532
00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:53,300
Chicago city government as an 
assistant to the mayor and 

533
00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:55,800
assistant Commissioner of 
planning and development. 

534
00:28:56,100 --> 00:28:59,200
And then she worked for public 
allies which is a non-profit 

535
00:28:59,900 --> 00:29:02,500
according to the book Rising 
Star. 

536
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,300
He was Obama was still seeing 
his ex-wife, Sheila 

537
00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:11,100
occasionally, but things must 
have gotten more serious because

538
00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:16,800
July 31st 1991, they became 
engaged at Gordon's restaurant 

539
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,900
in Chicago and the dinner was 
actually to celebrate Obama 

540
00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:22,900
passing. 
The bar exam from Harvard and 

541
00:29:22,900 --> 00:29:24,500
this is what Michelle has said 
about it. 

542
00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:27,700
She said, as we were reaching 
the end of the meal, Barack 

543
00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:29,600
smiled at me and raise the 
subject of marriage. 

544
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,500
He raised my hand and said that 
as much as he loved me with his 

545
00:29:32,500 --> 00:29:36,300
whole being, he still didn't 
really see the point instantly, 

546
00:29:36,300 --> 00:29:39,200
I felt the blood rise in my 
cheeks, it was like pushing a 

547
00:29:39,208 --> 00:29:41,900
button and me the kind of big 
blinking red button. 

548
00:29:41,900 --> 00:29:44,300
You might find in some sort of 
nuclear facilities around by 

549
00:29:44,300 --> 00:29:46,300
warning signs and evacuation 
Maps. 

550
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,000
Really, we are going to do this 
now, and apparently, they had a 

551
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,700
whole heated discussion about 
marriage and like the 

552
00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:55,700
institution of it, if it's worth
it, whatever. 

553
00:29:55,700 --> 00:29:57,500
And he was saying he didn't see 
the point, and she was saying 

554
00:29:57,500 --> 00:29:58,700
that was important to her, 
whatever. 

555
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,400
And then eventually Actually the
waiter came around holding a 

556
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,500
dessert plate. 
Covered by sliver lid. 

557
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,900
He slid it out. 
In front of me and lifted the 

558
00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:08,100
cover. 
I was almost to miffed even look

559
00:30:08,100 --> 00:30:11,300
down, but when I did, I saw a 
Dark Velvet box that where 

560
00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:14,100
chocolate cake was supposed to 
be inside was a diamond ring. 

561
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,500
Brock looked at me playfully. 
He'd baited me. 

562
00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:19,400
It was all it had all been a 
ruse. 

563
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,300
It took me a second to dismantle
my anger and slide into joyful 

564
00:30:22,300 --> 00:30:24,100
shock. 
He dragged me up because this 

565
00:30:24,100 --> 00:30:27,100
was the very last time. 
He would invoke his inane 

566
00:30:27,100 --> 00:30:30,600
marriage argument ever again. 
As long as we both shall live, I

567
00:30:30,608 --> 00:30:33,100
can almost picture that being 
the movie. 

568
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,300
Like, I'm sure this whole 
intellectual conversation about 

569
00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:40,800
marriage and then you go back 
into like flashbacks of, like, 

570
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,600
both of their like parents, 
like, you know, and then you cut

571
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,800
to The conversation again this 
candle light and it's like very 

572
00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:51,000
romantic and you know what I 
mean? 

573
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,800
Yeah. 
And maybe and ends of the 

574
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,900
proposal I wonder if it is in 
the movie guys I'm sorry I 

575
00:30:55,900 --> 00:30:58,300
didn't see it but you know I 
mean I didn't want to get 

576
00:30:58,300 --> 00:31:00,200
confused about what's real and 
not. 

577
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,200
That's so true. 
Yeah I think it's I think it's 

578
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,800
very tricky to sometimes see the
yeah fictional interpretations. 

579
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,300
Yeah. 
Like I saw that talk about the 

580
00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:11,600
gene, Austin won again but watch
it after and I feel like if I 

581
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,800
did watch it before, I might 
have liked it would have 

582
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,200
influence and too hyped about 
how cute they were. 

583
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:22,600
Yeah exactly. 
Yeah, that's pretty risky of him

584
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,000
though. 
Like what if she actually got 

585
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,700
pissed and like stormed off? 
I know that is really cold but 

586
00:31:27,700 --> 00:31:31,900
it seems like like teasing is a 
part of their yeah, Dynamic 

587
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:34,900
later that year. 
Sadly Michelle's father passed 

588
00:31:34,900 --> 00:31:37,200
away, he died from 
complications. 

589
00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:39,900
Asians with MS. 
And her friend Suzanne include 

590
00:31:39,900 --> 00:31:42,900
died that year to from cancer. 
Oh, that's awful. 

591
00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:44,800
I know. 
So must have been a tough year. 

592
00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:46,800
Yeah, that happens sometimes. 
It's like you're having a really

593
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,200
horrible time and then a good 
thing happens to like, you could

594
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,900
become engaged such as life, I 
guess. 

595
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,700
Whoa, this is really loud right 
now. 

596
00:31:57,700 --> 00:32:02,400
Many Friday nights. 
Yeah that's terrific. 

597
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,800
We don't usually record on 
Friday. 

598
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,800
Yeah. 
October 3rd 1992 after whether 

599
00:32:09,700 --> 00:32:14,400
Barack and Michelle married at 
Trinity unit, I married at 

600
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,200
Trinity United Church in Chicago
and they honeymooning in 

601
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,600
California and they ended up 
moving in together in Hyde Park 

602
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,400
neighborhood of Chicago. 
Hmm. 

603
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,400
And I didn't know this Brock was
actually professor at University

604
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,100
of Chicago Law School. 
Cool. 

605
00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:34,100
And he directed the Illinois 
vote project, according to the 

606
00:32:34,100 --> 00:32:39,400
book Rising Star by that author 
Garrow from their first day of 

607
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,300
marriage up until 2004 Michelle 
is, very dubious and challenging

608
00:32:43,300 --> 00:32:47,100
about his political prospects. 
But it is as a state senator or 

609
00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:50,400
in a congressional race, he 
enters all those campaigns over 

610
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,800
Michelle's objection. 
She once told him you had you 

611
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,300
would have more impact being 
high school principal. 

612
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,600
So up through 2004 Michelle is 
not a significant. 

613
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,700
Wounds on his political career 
because a she's opposed to it 

614
00:33:02,700 --> 00:33:05,900
and be she's taking no active 
part only after he wins the 

615
00:33:05,900 --> 00:33:08,500
Senate nomination, she begins to
do some campaigning. 

616
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:13,000
Wow, that's pretty late. 
Oh, I mean a senate campaign is 

617
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,300
pretty big. 
Yeah. 

618
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:19,000
Yeah, I know is interesting like
em in my research about them, it

619
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,100
seemed like she was a little 
hesitant about him getting into 

620
00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:26,300
politics and didn't think that 
it would work out and, I mean, 

621
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:28,200
it does. 
Yeah, it rarely works out for so

622
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,500
many people, I guess. 
So, So lucky. 

623
00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:33,900
Yeah, but he became the 
president, he definitely is more

624
00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:35,600
of an optimist and she's a 
little bit more. 

625
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:36,500
Pessimist. 
Yeah. 

626
00:33:36,500 --> 00:33:40,600
Kind of their Dynamic 1996 
Michelle worked as the associate

627
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,700
dean of student services at the 
University of Chicago. 

628
00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:47,000
Just saying what she's up to. 
I mean, she was like, she was a 

629
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,200
boss. 
Like she was a really smart 

630
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,000
lady. 
She was really ambitious. 

631
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,900
So it's kind of weird that I 
don't know. 

632
00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:56,700
She ends up just becoming like, 
the first lady. 

633
00:33:56,700 --> 00:34:00,500
Yeah, I mean that's an amazing 
thing but like He was doing 

634
00:34:00,500 --> 00:34:03,100
things on her own to, you know. 
Yeah, exactly. 

635
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,300
Like she's known through her 
husband. 

636
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:08,600
Yeah. 
In a lot of interviews. 

637
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,600
People are like, wow, you know, 
you grew up in the south side, 

638
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,100
then you became the first lady 
but I feel like she almost 

639
00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:16,900
achieved bigger things than 
that. 

640
00:34:16,900 --> 00:34:19,800
But yeah, the first lady isn't 
really your own achievement and 

641
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,000
just kind of like happen. 
Yeah, exactly. 

642
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,400
Yeah, it is. 
You're married to the president 

643
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,500
like any, like, spouse could 
achieve that. 

644
00:34:27,500 --> 00:34:29,500
Yeah, but she was doing really 
impressive stuff. 

645
00:34:29,699 --> 00:34:33,100
Tough. 
Also in 1996, Barack is elected 

646
00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:39,699
to the Illinois state senate, 
for the 13th District 1998. 

647
00:34:39,699 --> 00:34:42,800
They had their first child Malia
and Obama. 

648
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,699
Born July 4th, but that's so 
American. 

649
00:34:46,699 --> 00:34:49,100
Oh wow. 
Did I wonder if she'll get into 

650
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:52,199
politics apparently before 
Malia? 

651
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:54,699
Michelle had suffered some 
miscarriages? 

652
00:34:54,900 --> 00:34:57,700
Hmm. 
Sorry to bring the mood down but

653
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,500
that is sad. 
I had heard that before. 

654
00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:03,900
They did IVF right? 
Yeah they did IVF. 

655
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:09,700
This is so later in life back to
this thing, Michelle said she 

656
00:35:09,700 --> 00:35:14,100
couldn't stand Obama for 10 
years after their children were 

657
00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:15,900
born. 
Mmm. 

658
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,600
And I am going to talk about 
this even more later, but she 

659
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,600
said the tension between them 
stemmed from measuring tasks 

660
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,300
like, how many diapers each 
changed until she realized that?

661
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,500
This she's had this many times 
marriage isn't 50/50 ever? 

662
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:35,500
Oh, wow, she says, she seems to 
really like this philosophy. 

663
00:35:35,500 --> 00:35:40,000
She's come up with but it's not 
fifty-fifty that sometimes one 

664
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,200
person is giving more than the 
other but that it changes all 

665
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,600
the time. 
Like sometimes, like when he was

666
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,100
really busy, maybe he was only 
putting in like 30 inches, you 

667
00:35:50,107 --> 00:35:52,800
doing 70, but then there's been 
times when he does more and like

668
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:55,900
I don't know she seems very 
adamant that like you shouldn't 

669
00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:59,000
expect it to always be balanced 
because yeah that's true. 

670
00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:01,000
Nikki frustrated. 
I mean yeah because it's a nose 

671
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,100
in life. 
Like you yourself might have 

672
00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:05,200
higher demands and somebody 
else. 

673
00:36:05,300 --> 00:36:06,700
Yeah. 
Or vice versa like you know, 

674
00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:07,700
there's times in your life 
really. 

675
00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:10,200
You don't think they're like, 
pretty like, easy right now. 

676
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,100
Yeah, you wouldn't really need 
as much from somebody else. 

677
00:36:13,100 --> 00:36:15,500
Yeah. 
Seems like she was, and that 

678
00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:18,200
might be why she wasn't excited 
about him getting into politics 

679
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:19,600
because she was getting 
frustrated. 

680
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,400
Like, you know, I have a job and
I'm trying to take care of the 

681
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,500
kid and you. 
Yeah. 

682
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:28,800
Off trying to be a politician 
like what the hell, I think I 

683
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,800
would be really. 
Well you're all staying very 

684
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,900
sleep-deprived to. 
Yeah, she has also said that 

685
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:37,500
it's important to know your 
person in order to get through 

686
00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:38,600
those rough. 
Patches. 

687
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:40,700
Yeah. 
She said, do you like him? 

688
00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:43,000
I mean, you could be a mad at 
him, but do you still look at 

689
00:36:43,008 --> 00:36:44,900
him and go? 
I'm not happy with you but I 

690
00:36:44,900 --> 00:36:46,600
respect you. 
I don't agree with you, but 

691
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,500
you're still a kind smart 
person. 

692
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:50,300
And you think that isn't? 
Yeah. 

693
00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:52,400
It's like it's a, you really 
have to look past the 

694
00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:54,600
day-to-day? 
Yeah. 

695
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,800
And seeing the whole picture. 
Yeah, I'm saying this like, I 

696
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,600
know like I've been I'm married 
for 30 years, but like if you 

697
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:08,100
are pissed at someone, can you 
still think I like them as a 

698
00:37:08,107 --> 00:37:09,800
person. 
Yeah, exactly. 

699
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,200
Yeah, definitely need that as a 
base level. 

700
00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:18,400
So jumping ahead a bit in 2001. 
They have their daughter 

701
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,900
Natasha. 
Also known as Sasha. 

702
00:37:20,900 --> 00:37:23,000
I did not know that. 
Her real name was Natasha. 

703
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,600
No, I didn't either did not. 
Yep. 

704
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,000
Sasha born, July 10th very 
close. 

705
00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:31,700
Yeah. 
Okay. 

706
00:37:31,700 --> 00:37:34,200
Then you know I'm really 
skipping ahead here, but, you 

707
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,500
know, politics Munich, 
campaigning all this stuff 

708
00:37:36,900 --> 00:37:41,900
Obama, because I became the US, 
senator for Illinois, 2004 

709
00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:44,000
putting the family in the 
spotlight. 

710
00:37:44,900 --> 00:37:47,500
And at this time, Michelle was 
the vice president for community

711
00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:51,200
and external Affairs at the 
University of Chicago hospitals.

712
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,400
Later in life. 
Michelle told the black New 

713
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,700
Station Revolt TV? 
Oh yeah. 

714
00:37:56,700 --> 00:37:57,900
This is what I was talking 
about. 

715
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,200
She said There Were Ten Years. 
I couldn't stand my husband and 

716
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,900
guess when it happened, when 
those kids were little, people 

717
00:38:02,900 --> 00:38:04,600
think I'm being catty by saying 
this. 

718
00:38:04,900 --> 00:38:06,200
And it's like, There Were Ten 
Years. 

719
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,800
I couldn't stand my husband for 
ten years. 

720
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,900
While we were trying to build 
their careers and, you know, 

721
00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:12,600
worrying about school and who's 
doing what, and what I was like,

722
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,800
this isn't even This is what I 
already said, basically, but and

723
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,000
guess what? 
Married isn't 50/50 ever. 

724
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,100
There are times. 
I'm 70. 

725
00:38:19,100 --> 00:38:22,500
He's 30 this time, see 60/40, 
but guess what? 

726
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:25,600
10 years have been married 
Thirty, I would take 10 bad 

727
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,200
years over 30. 
It's just how you look at it and

728
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,600
people give up saying five 
years, I can't take it. 

729
00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:35,200
So I hope it's a little bit 
closer to 5050. 

730
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,600
Now that I know both out of the 
White House is. 

731
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,000
Yeah, it seems like they're kind
of chilling. 

732
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,800
I wondered to like, if she's 
kind of exaggerating, Like was 

733
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,700
it actually non-stop 10 years of
like misery? 

734
00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:53,300
No. 
Yeah, I don't think that's how I

735
00:38:53,300 --> 00:38:55,800
think. 
They probably just had a lot of 

736
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,300
fight down. 
Yeah, she she has said this a 

737
00:38:58,308 --> 00:38:59,900
lot. 
It's like many interviews. 

738
00:38:59,900 --> 00:39:02,700
This can't couldn't stand. 
My husband thing comes up. 

739
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,500
I actually came across it on 
this subreddit. 

740
00:39:08,300 --> 00:39:11,400
This isn't where I discovered it
anything, but it was for men 

741
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:17,100
going through divorce and they 
Saying that if a man said this, 

742
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:19,700
it would be terrible and that 
it's so not. 

743
00:39:19,700 --> 00:39:22,200
Okay, that women can talk about 
their husbands like this. 

744
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,800
What do you think? 
Like what? 

745
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,000
I don't know. 
I mean, maybe because he's the 

746
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,100
president knew but like, I 
couldn't stand my wife, but I do

747
00:39:29,100 --> 00:39:31,600
feel like mankind has say stuff 
like that. 

748
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:36,400
Maybe, not at that directly. 
But like, it's been an age-old 

749
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,900
thing where you hear about, you 
know, like men are getting 

750
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:40,300
married. 
They're about to lose their 

751
00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:43,100
freedom, their yeah. 
Going to be nagging though. 

752
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,400
I can change. 
Yes, exactly that phrase. 

753
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,100
So, you know, I think I think 
men do it too. 

754
00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:51,400
Yeah, definitely. 
Yeah, yeah. 

755
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,700
I mean I do think there might be
more of a phenomenon where women

756
00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:59,300
get together and kind of shit on
their husbands but I don't know,

757
00:39:59,300 --> 00:40:02,300
I mean I haven't been in the 
room when a bunch of guys are 

758
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:03,900
alone together. 
We be scared. 

759
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:06,600
If I know this is like really 
heteronormative but we're saying

760
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:11,500
yeah but that's just what some 
guys that in a men divorce. 

761
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:20,300
That's really cute that these 
men are Like out of nowhere. 

762
00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:26,600
Well, I was just searching like 
I searched Michelle Obama, can't

763
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,000
stand my husband, oh, and I was 
just looking at all the 

764
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,900
different results and then I 
just came across the I'm 

765
00:40:32,900 --> 00:40:36,800
excited. 
Yeah, no II wasn't just on that.

766
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:43,000
And then, and then that inspired
the whole episode that would be 

767
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,900
like a good If you're a writer 
something again I'm the some 

768
00:40:46,900 --> 00:40:50,900
time and some real there of 
people's problems that you don't

769
00:40:50,900 --> 00:40:53,600
relate to at all. 
Just try to the you don't, you 

770
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,200
don't figure out what people are
going through. 

771
00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:00,700
It's really interesting, okay? 
Then in 2007, February 2007, 

772
00:41:00,700 --> 00:41:03,900
Obama announces that he's 
running for president and 

773
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,100
Michelle wrote about this in her
book. 

774
00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:10,600
Becoming I said, yes though I 
was at the same time harboring, 

775
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,500
a painful thought when I wasn't 
ready to share I supported him 

776
00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:15,900
and campaigning I also felt 
certain he wouldn't make it all 

777
00:41:15,900 --> 00:41:19,200
the way he spoke so often and so
passionately of here. 

778
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,300
Healing, our country's divisions
appealing to a set of higher 

779
00:41:22,300 --> 00:41:25,400
ideals, he believed were in a 
tin most people, but I'd seen 

780
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,500
enough of the divisions to 
temper, my own hopes. 

781
00:41:27,500 --> 00:41:29,100
Barack was a black man in 
America. 

782
00:41:29,100 --> 00:41:31,500
After all, I didn't really think
he could win. 

783
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,200
Hmm. 
You know, she's protective of 

784
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,400
him and she's trying to be 
realistic and I can get why she 

785
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,800
would think that, you know? 
Yeah. 

786
00:41:40,900 --> 00:41:43,400
I mean there's never been one 
before. 

787
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,400
Yeah, exactly. 
Actly, very few people can when 

788
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:52,000
the president is really truly. 
She also said that she wasn't 

789
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,200
very excited about the idea of 
him becoming president. 

790
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,000
Because she also didn't want to 
change, she didn't want to move.

791
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,300
Yeah, she didn't want to have to
get new friends, all that but 

792
00:42:02,300 --> 00:42:05,200
she also didn't want to hold 
back Barack from the incredible 

793
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,600
things he could do. 
It's also, I mean that's like a 

794
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,600
huge sacrifice that she's my 
day. 

795
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,800
It is huge. 
I wonder if she said No, like 

796
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,100
what he actually not do it. 
I know. 

797
00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:18,700
Yeah. 
How do you even? 

798
00:42:18,700 --> 00:42:20,400
I can't even fathom. 
Like, how do you even get 

799
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:21,600
yourself in a position where 
you're like? 

800
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,700
I'm gonna run for president now.
Thank you. 

801
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,700
I mean, he worked his way up. 
I hated the show. 

802
00:42:28,700 --> 00:42:31,600
This is of, this is us like the 
way they ended it. 

803
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,200
The character Randall. 
They were like acting like he's 

804
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,200
going to be president one day. 
It's like and it almost was 

805
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,800
like, kind of like mimicking 
Obama. 

806
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:44,800
I felt like, in a sense, like, I
don't know, but It's like it's 

807
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,400
so rare that somebody gets to 
that point. 

808
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,800
Like, yeah, it's such a student 
teeny. 

809
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,900
Tiny percentage of people are 
the president, like what are the

810
00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:55,300
odds? 
Yeah, you're going to be in that

811
00:42:55,300 --> 00:42:57,300
situation. 
That's crazy. 

812
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,300
How do you hold somebody back 
from that though? 

813
00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:02,800
Yeah, but also, you have to 
really love somebody to go 

814
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,700
through that time to like, put 
your family in the spotlight and

815
00:43:06,700 --> 00:43:10,400
also, it's really scary. 
Yeah, I mean presidents have 

816
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,400
been assassinated as we've 
talked about. 

817
00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:13,600
Yeah. 
And he's the first black 

818
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:14,400
president. 
Denied. 

819
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,500
Imagine that like added to the 
Society of like, you know, like 

820
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,800
Martin Luther King was 
assassinated. 

821
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,400
Like there's a lot of racist 
people out there, that's really 

822
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,500
scary. 
It is scary. 

823
00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:29,000
She just she still had like a 
really respectful job, though 

824
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:34,100
mean, she was the executive 
director at the Chicago 

825
00:43:34,100 --> 00:43:37,500
hospitals and vice president of 
community and external Affairs 

826
00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:40,700
for Chicago. 
So, you know, she had to give 

827
00:43:40,700 --> 00:43:44,100
that up too. 
I'm just kind of stinks, but I 

828
00:43:44,100 --> 00:43:47,600
mean, maybe, I don't know. 
I really gotta be like, okay, 

829
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,300
I'm done. 
But she was a very ambitious 

830
00:43:50,300 --> 00:43:54,800
lady at the time, Obama said of 
his relationship to Ebony 

831
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,900
magazine. 
He said, well, I realized as I 

832
00:43:56,908 --> 00:43:59,700
get older is that Michelle is 
less concerned about me giving 

833
00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:03,400
her flowers and she is that I'm 
doing things that are hard for 

834
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,700
me, carving out, time that to 
her is proof evidence that I'm 

835
00:44:07,700 --> 00:44:12,100
thinking about her seems like 
acts of service and quality 

836
00:44:12,100 --> 00:44:15,000
time. 
Our hurry up is her lovely gift.

837
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,200
Not gifts. 
Yeah. 

838
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:21,000
Yes, mine is gift. 
Yeah. - to really didn't know 

839
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,700
that giving gifts. 
Okay. 

840
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,000
But I also feel like receiving 
gifts. 

841
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,600
I feel like we've talked about 
this on the podcast. 

842
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,700
It seems like he is words of 
affirmation. 

843
00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:33,400
Yeah, he loves were. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

844
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,900
Totally. 
There is a party going on 

845
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,200
upstairs right now. 
So if it's in the background 

846
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,600
guys, just that's what's going 
on, anyway. 

847
00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:46,200
Way 2008. 
Barack Obama became the 

848
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,400
president, he beat John McCain. 
Who was running with Sarah 

849
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,100
Palin. 
Remember that in the white 

850
00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:55,800
house? 
Once they were in the white 

851
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,500
house I think a lot of us 
remember that Michelle LED an 

852
00:44:58,508 --> 00:45:01,200
initiative called. 
Let's move to address the 

853
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:05,600
childhood obesity epidemic and I
think every kid in America 

854
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,000
remembers when their school 
lunches changed. 

855
00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:09,600
Yeah. 
That was tough. 

856
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:11,200
Yeah. 
That was tough to school lunch 

857
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,300
before. 
That was really Good. 

858
00:45:14,100 --> 00:45:17,400
Meaning unhealthy. 
Yeah, it's kind of cool though 

859
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,400
in a way that you could actually
see the effect of something that

860
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,100
she did. 
Yes, you really did make a 

861
00:45:22,100 --> 00:45:24,100
difference. 
You didn't think that like at 

862
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:27,100
least my school and I went to a 
pretty good public school. 

863
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,100
Like making the school lunches. 
Healthier didn't really add 

864
00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:34,900
actual healthy food. 
It just like made the food 

865
00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:38,200
really plain, and Bland and 
gross. 

866
00:45:38,500 --> 00:45:42,300
Yeah. 
Well, Probably couldn't control 

867
00:45:42,300 --> 00:45:43,900
all the schools and what they 
did. 

868
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,200
So yeah, they're in the white 
house now. 

869
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,300
Oh my God. 
He's a president, they're living

870
00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:53,100
in d.c., he's a president, it's 
crazy. 

871
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,200
And, you know, obviously a lot 
of things happened during his 

872
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:01,900
time in the white house, but I 
can't get into all of it in his 

873
00:46:01,900 --> 00:46:03,800
Memoir about the time of the 
White House. 

874
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:08,400
He wrote, this is about his 
relationship and yet despite 

875
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,200
Michelle's, success and 
popularity, I continue to I 

876
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,000
sense an undercurrent of tension
in her subtle, but constant, 

877
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,200
like the faint thrum of a hidden
machine, it was as if confined 

878
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,000
as we were within the walls of 
the White House. 

879
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,700
All her previous sources of 
frustration, became more 

880
00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:27,100
concentrated more Vivid, whether
it was my round-the-clock 

881
00:46:27,100 --> 00:46:30,200
absorption with work or the way 
politics exposed, our family to 

882
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,500
scrutiny and attacks or the 
tendency of, even friends and 

883
00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:36,900
family to treat her role as 
secondary importance. 

884
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,400
My next to Michelle in the dark.
I think about those days when 

885
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,300
everything between I felt 
lighter when her smile was more 

886
00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:45,600
constant, in our love less 
encumbered. 

887
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,000
In my heart was suddenly tighten
at the thought that those days 

888
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,400
might not return. 
Oh my God, he's a really good 

889
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,200
writer. 
He's really good. 

890
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,400
Wow, I'm attracted to him, 
that's like, yeah, I'm YouTube. 

891
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,400
That's funny. 
Sweet that he would lie awake in

892
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,600
bed and ache for the days of the
early American officials bag 

893
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,400
because it's kind of his fault. 
But there's nothing you can do. 

894
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,500
That's really considerate 
though. 

895
00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:12,400
Because even thinking about 
that, A lot of men wouldn't it's

896
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,500
sad to say. 
It does seem like they're 

897
00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:18,800
married, wasn't the best one. 
They were in the White House. 

898
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,000
Yeah. 
Even though there were a lot of 

899
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,900
really cute moments between 
them, you know, speeches made 

900
00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:27,700
and the inauguration and 
everything but it was definitely

901
00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:31,600
a stressful time. 
Speaking of in January, the new 

902
00:47:31,900 --> 00:47:36,200
sworn in couple made the whole 
country Swoon during only about 

903
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,200
the whole country but we made 
the whole country's moon during 

904
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,800
the inaugural ball. 
Especially as their first dance 

905
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,500
to at last as performed by 
Beyonce. 

906
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:51,700
Hello has my love. 
All right. 

907
00:47:51,700 --> 00:47:57,700
I love is romantic and I guess 
during this event, Brock said, 

908
00:47:57,700 --> 00:48:01,200
first of all, how good-looking 
is my wife asked the Crowd. 

909
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:06,400
Oh, Michelle said an interview 
around this time on their 

910
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,300
marriage. 
It's unfair to the institution 

911
00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:11,000
of marriage and it's unfair for 
you. 

912
00:48:11,100 --> 00:48:13,500
Young people who are trying to 
build something to project. 

913
00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:15,400
This Perfection that doesn't 
exist. 

914
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,600
This image of a Flawless 
relationship is the last thing 

915
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,700
that we want to project he is 
steady, has he made me mad? 

916
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,700
Yes. 
Does he sometimes do things that

917
00:48:24,700 --> 00:48:26,100
I don't like? 
Absolutely. 

918
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,300
But as a human being he has 
never disappointed and I would 

919
00:48:30,300 --> 00:48:31,900
hope he could say his him about 
me. 

920
00:48:32,300 --> 00:48:35,600
Yeah, I think like what I'm 
getting from her is like order 

921
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:38,300
to make it work as you have to 
know somebody's character. 

922
00:48:38,300 --> 00:48:41,700
Yeah and when somebody messes up
or they annoy you You have to 

923
00:48:41,700 --> 00:48:44,900
say, is this a reflection of 
their character or is this just 

924
00:48:45,300 --> 00:48:46,700
who they are? 
In this moment? 

925
00:48:46,700 --> 00:48:50,100
Yeah, because everyone messes 
up, especially when things are 

926
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:52,200
stressful. 
You know. 

927
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:55,500
I know I feel like she's so 
honest which I appreciate ya 

928
00:48:55,500 --> 00:48:58,500
doesn't have to do that. 
Actually, I think I get the 

929
00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:01,700
sense that you do have a good 
marriage but she's just being so

930
00:49:01,700 --> 00:49:03,100
honest. 
Yeah, exactly. 

931
00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:05,700
You know, I mean who has a 
perfect marriage? 

932
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,800
Maybe nobody. 
I don't think anyone does. 

933
00:49:08,300 --> 00:49:10,600
I don't think you can expect. 
Perfection from anything. 

934
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,300
Oh. 
Oh the closer you get to any 

935
00:49:13,300 --> 00:49:15,100
relationship like you can see 
it's cracks. 

936
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:18,900
I think that that's how the 
light gets in today is my 

937
00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:22,100
parents 33rd wedding 
anniversary. 

938
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,600
Congrats, but my mom like me to 
post, it's like from the 

939
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,200
outside. 
You'd be like not that they have

940
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,200
a bad marriage but like the 
outside you would think like wow

941
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,200
this is so like cute and love 
you Daddy. 

942
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,900
And I was just thinking like, 
you know, it's like I lived in 

943
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:39,000
the same house. 
He had a perfect marriage, but I

944
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,800
really admire about Michelle 
Obama, That she does seem so 

945
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,100
concerned about young people in 
that inner Asian. 

946
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,000
I really admire that so much. 
It's just so nice that she's 

947
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,700
like, I don't want to make 
people feel bad. 

948
00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:54,900
I was thinking that I don't have
a marriage like Barack and 

949
00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:56,500
Michelle. 
It's like, no, like this is a 

950
00:49:56,500 --> 00:49:59,100
tough marriage to even though it
looks great. 

951
00:49:59,100 --> 00:50:02,100
Yeah, I appreciate I feel like, 
that's too because she has two 

952
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,100
daughters that she, like, always
thinks of things of like, yeah. 

953
00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:07,500
The other girls, like what would
they? 

954
00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:10,900
I mean, boys to be like yeah, 
specifically. 

955
00:50:11,100 --> 00:50:13,300
It seems like she's really 
interested in like young girls. 

956
00:50:13,300 --> 00:50:15,000
Yeah. 
What they would think. 

957
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:21,300
So thoughtful. 
Mmm, barack's book to the New 

958
00:50:21,300 --> 00:50:25,800
Yorker in 2009 to and more about
him lying in bed. 

959
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,400
He said there are times when we 
are lying in bed and I look over

960
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,500
and sort of have a start because
I realized here is this other 

961
00:50:32,500 --> 00:50:34,900
person who is separate and 
different and has a different 

962
00:50:34,900 --> 00:50:37,900
memories and backgrounds and 
thoughts and feelings, it's that

963
00:50:37,900 --> 00:50:40,000
tension between familiarity and 
mystery. 

964
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,300
That makes four I think strong 
because even as you build a life

965
00:50:43,300 --> 00:50:46,400
of trust and comfort and mutual 
support you retain some sense of

966
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,800
surprise or wonder about the 
other person. 

967
00:50:49,700 --> 00:50:52,000
That's so sweet. 
Right. 

968
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:57,300
He has such a way with that. 
Is so true, though. 

969
00:50:57,300 --> 00:51:00,000
I mean, it is so freaky. 
When you look at someone you're 

970
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,800
like wait, I have no idea where 
thank you got your. 

971
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,100
Like I don't even know what's 
going on. 

972
00:51:03,100 --> 00:51:04,200
You have a whole different 
brain. 

973
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:08,900
Yeah, real person, o KZ. 
You just like a of my 

974
00:51:08,900 --> 00:51:10,900
imagination. 
Yeah, I do. 

975
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,800
Things like even. 
I mean I haven't I haven't been 

976
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,900
in Long relationships like that 
but, you know, you think, you 

977
00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:21,300
know, someone so well. 
But you can always have that 

978
00:51:21,300 --> 00:51:23,800
thought, like ways. 
Like I actually don't know what.

979
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,400
Yeah, it with anybody really. 
I think I know someone so well, 

980
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,800
but they have so many memories 
without me so many experiences, 

981
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,100
they know people who I don't 
know. 

982
00:51:31,100 --> 00:51:33,100
Like, yeah. 
There's gonna be nobody who 

983
00:51:33,100 --> 00:51:37,400
like, ya know so. 
Well, like you can always keep 

984
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:38,900
learning something about 
somebody else. 

985
00:51:38,900 --> 00:51:40,800
Yeah, you just have to tap into 
it. 

986
00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:44,500
Always some mystery. 
Yeah, just have to remember. 

987
00:51:44,900 --> 00:51:50,400
Yeah, 2010, Michelle told Good 
Housekeeping when the kids go to

988
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,200
bed and after he's done a little
reading, we're usually curled up

989
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,200
in our den and we'll watch a 
show together or we'll talk and 

990
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,800
catch up. 
It's nothing major. 

991
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,200
But that's what marriage is 
about. 

992
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:04,300
Not the big splashy stuff. 
Mmm, that's so true. 

993
00:52:04,900 --> 00:52:07,400
That's what Miranda needed to 
realize. 

994
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,100
Oh, on second on the city. 
Yeah, just like that. 

995
00:52:10,100 --> 00:52:10,900
Oh, my gosh. 
Is it go? 

996
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,600
God yeah we just sitting on the 
couch eating ice cream. 

997
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,100
Watching foreign films like 
lucky. 

998
00:52:16,300 --> 00:52:20,100
Yes, Miranda go, cute, your 
husband is and you're watching 

999
00:52:20,100 --> 00:52:23,400
for first of all, it's hard to 
get someone to watch more films.

1000
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:26,300
Okay. 
I know everyone's super and they

1001
00:52:26,300 --> 00:52:29,500
had a little like ice cream 
sundae set up leaving the ice 

1002
00:52:29,500 --> 00:52:32,100
cream sundae bar like that's a 
really sweet. 

1003
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,000
Wait do you know One season 2 
comes out? 

1004
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,800
I think soon. 
We should do our protest. 

1005
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,800
I know we should be really 
should I commented on the 

1006
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,700
Justice for Steve we're talking 
about in just like that the Sex 

1007
00:52:46,700 --> 00:52:51,100
and the City away boot which we 
did not like justice for Steve 

1008
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:56,300
the way they treated that poor 
man, that bartender. 

1009
00:52:56,300 --> 00:52:59,700
I next see bartender I have you 
know what I'm going to design. 

1010
00:52:59,700 --> 00:53:03,400
A poster was just gonna be like 
a Word document, they absolutely

1011
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,200
nothing girl, she knows how to 
finger somebody. 

1012
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,300
He was a bartender in the naive 
forgets. 

1013
00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:12,600
How to do, you know what a Sure 
on Sex and the City he was a 

1014
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,300
great lover. 
Anybody know how to do it. 

1015
00:53:15,300 --> 00:53:18,900
It's not that hard I know but 
wasn't he a great lover? 

1016
00:53:18,900 --> 00:53:20,900
Yes I think he wanted all of a 
sudden. 

1017
00:53:20,900 --> 00:53:23,100
Well I was uh they acted 
legislator he's not they 

1018
00:53:23,100 --> 00:53:27,500
accidentally she never he never 
satisfied her, you know, I just 

1019
00:53:27,500 --> 00:53:30,200
hated how they rewrote it. 
Like I know how to do some like 

1020
00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:32,900
but it's like they had to change
their love story in order to 

1021
00:53:32,900 --> 00:53:38,000
give Miranda this new love story
and so obsessed would not 

1022
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,700
recommend I know. 
You is I told my mom, it was 

1023
00:53:42,700 --> 00:53:45,500
like terrible, but then she 
ended up enjoying it really. 

1024
00:53:45,500 --> 00:53:46,900
I think, as I said the bar so 
low. 

1025
00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:48,900
Yeah. 
That's like this movie. 

1026
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:53,300
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Were you like not as taken aback

1027
00:53:53,300 --> 00:53:57,200
by the sequel? 
Or was it someone else a movie? 

1028
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,600
Yeah, yeah yeah. 
Let the movie wasn't that great 

1029
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,400
but it was enjoyable, I guess. 
Yeah. 

1030
00:54:04,900 --> 00:54:06,500
Yeah. 
I thought the second one was so 

1031
00:54:06,500 --> 00:54:08,600
bad. 
I know it's better than the show

1032
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:09,700
though. 
Yeah. 

1033
00:54:09,700 --> 00:54:11,300
Believe it or not. 
And just like Like that. 

1034
00:54:11,300 --> 00:54:16,000
Yeah, but yeah. 
Anyway anyway, um, and I've 

1035
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,800
heard an interviews and 
conversations between the two of

1036
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,800
them that apparently, he, you 
know, wouldn't he would walk 

1037
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,100
into the residential part of the
White House? 

1038
00:54:24,100 --> 00:54:27,000
He would just kind of turn off 
work just pretty amazing. 

1039
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,300
Wow. 
Yeah, like, I'd be very hard to 

1040
00:54:29,300 --> 00:54:37,600
compartmentalize. 
Yeah, 2012 Obama was re-elected.

1041
00:54:37,900 --> 00:54:41,900
Election day was November 6th. 
So I just It's my birthday is 

1042
00:54:41,908 --> 00:54:44,000
November 18th. 
I remember that. 

1043
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,400
Yeah, she got the next election 
baby. 

1044
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:52,900
Yeah, on my birthday. 
I was born on Election Day, so 

1045
00:54:52,900 --> 00:54:55,500
just happens a lot. 
So annoying. 

1046
00:54:55,900 --> 00:54:59,600
Anyway, he's re-elected 
Michelle's still doing her 

1047
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,000
advocating for healthy, eating 
Children's Health. 

1048
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,000
I guess she was working for 
hospitals me, that's kind of how

1049
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,700
she got into all that in 
Chicago. 

1050
00:55:07,700 --> 00:55:10,800
Oh yeah that makes sense. 
This is not really. 

1051
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,100
Irrelevant. 
But I also read that. 

1052
00:55:13,100 --> 00:55:17,500
She really grew the gardening at
the White House and they 

1053
00:55:17,500 --> 00:55:20,600
actually used the food that they
grew in the White House and the 

1054
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:22,500
kitchen and stuff. 
That's cool. 

1055
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:27,800
Beehives there. 
And yeah, she's kind of a food. 

1056
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,200
Hippie would be really so weird 
to live in the way. 

1057
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,400
I know I kind of hate it because
it's, like not your home. 

1058
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,200
I feel like it is your home, but
like, I guess you do have people

1059
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,100
who can do like all the. 
It's not like you have to be the

1060
00:55:39,100 --> 00:55:41,200
ones like putting up wallpaper. 
Yeah. 

1061
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:42,600
Yeah. 
You don't really feel like, oh, 

1062
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,000
I did all this work. 
And now, you know, they're going

1063
00:55:45,100 --> 00:55:48,500
to re renovate it, but you can't
like long-term plan for stuff. 

1064
00:55:48,500 --> 00:55:52,800
I think it's an interesting 
phenomenon that The president 

1065
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,600
gets to live in this house and 
it's very lavish and everything,

1066
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,600
but it's almost like they're 
renting and then yeah, it's 

1067
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,100
incorrect family. 
It's so it's kind of weird. 

1068
00:56:01,100 --> 00:56:02,500
Yeah. 
It's like the person and a lot 

1069
00:56:02,500 --> 00:56:05,100
of presidents like actually 
don't are not a lot of them, but

1070
00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:07,100
they have like a secondary house
as well. 

1071
00:56:07,300 --> 00:56:11,200
Yeah, Michelle reflected on 
their life together at the 

1072
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,400
Democratic National Convention, 
prior to the election. 

1073
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,300
Instead our life before, moving 
to Washington was filled with 

1074
00:56:17,300 --> 00:56:19,800
simple, Joys Saturdays, at 
soccer games. 

1075
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,300
Sundays at Grandma's house in a 
day. 

1076
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,400
Date night for Barack and me was
either dinner or a movie because

1077
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,000
as an exhausted mom, I couldn't 
stay awake for both. 

1078
00:56:27,300 --> 00:56:30,100
And the truth is, I loved the 
life we had built for our girls.

1079
00:56:30,100 --> 00:56:32,900
I deeply love the man that I had
built this life with and I 

1080
00:56:32,908 --> 00:56:35,700
didn't want that to change. 
If he became president, I loved 

1081
00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:38,700
Barack just the way he was. 
You see, even though back then 

1082
00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:41,300
Brock was a Senator and a 
presidential candidate to me, he

1083
00:56:41,300 --> 00:56:45,200
was still the guy who picked me 
up for our dates in a car. 

1084
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,600
That was so rusted out that I 
could actually see the pavement 

1085
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,200
going through the hole in the 
passenger side door. 

1086
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,600
He was the guy Proudest 
possession was a coffee table. 

1087
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,800
He'd found in a dumpster and 
whose only pair of decent shoes.

1088
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,700
Was half a size too small so I 
don't know. 

1089
00:57:00,700 --> 00:57:04,000
Just seems like she misses the 
simpler times. 

1090
00:57:04,500 --> 00:57:05,800
Yeah. 
And that is facts. 

1091
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,400
Like you never actually would go
back to those times you can 

1092
00:57:08,408 --> 00:57:11,100
never just sit openly out of 
soccer, field long. 

1093
00:57:11,100 --> 00:57:15,500
And I know, I mean, once you're 
the president, yeah, we're your 

1094
00:57:15,500 --> 00:57:19,800
Anonymous to people. 
I mean, you're at soccer game, 

1095
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:21,300
you're going to have secret 
service now. 

1096
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,700
Yeah, we're gonna be watching 
you, they're gonna have cameras.

1097
00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:27,000
I know, I think she was very 
lucky in a way to get to 

1098
00:57:27,008 --> 00:57:29,000
experience. 
All this mean to be married with

1099
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,200
the president. 
Oh my God, but I do feel a 

1100
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:32,700
little bit bad too. 
Yeah. 

1101
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,700
Like it was hard time. 
Okay, so I was trying to see if 

1102
00:57:35,700 --> 00:57:40,700
there was like anything, you 
know, salacious or suspicious 

1103
00:57:40,700 --> 00:57:44,200
about their marriage. 
The only thing I really found 

1104
00:57:44,900 --> 00:57:51,000
interesting in 2014, there were 
rumors that Obama was having an 

1105
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,100
affair. 
With Beyonce, okay, I'm gonna 

1106
00:57:54,100 --> 00:57:57,500
say no French, okay, this isn't 
just you know thing. 

1107
00:57:57,500 --> 00:58:01,600
Now the French photographer, 
Pascal Rothstein claimed to have

1108
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:06,700
a picture of them and said this,
he said to a French publication.

1109
00:58:06,700 --> 00:58:09,500
He said you know, at this time 
the United States, there's 

1110
00:58:09,500 --> 00:58:11,900
something big this happening, 
it'll go out tomorrow in the 

1111
00:58:11,900 --> 00:58:15,300
Washington Post, we can say that
it is not the gutter press and 

1112
00:58:15,300 --> 00:58:17,800
alleged Affair between 
President, Barack Obama and 

1113
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:22,000
Beyonce, but that never happened
did It come out in the 

1114
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:26,100
Washington Post and it is 
interesting that the week that 

1115
00:58:26,100 --> 00:58:28,400
this rumor came out from this 
French photographer. 

1116
00:58:28,900 --> 00:58:32,300
The French President Francois 
Holland had visited the White 

1117
00:58:32,300 --> 00:58:37,100
House and he had been embroiled 
in his own media, friends and 

1118
00:58:37,100 --> 00:58:39,000
has. 
He had an affair with a French 

1119
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,500
actress. 
Oh yay. 

1120
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,400
So it's almost like they're 
trying to like do a spin-off. 

1121
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,000
Yeah, an American American 
president is doing it to. 

1122
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,100
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1123
00:58:49,900 --> 00:58:53,600
It I don't think it's true, but 
it is interesting that there was

1124
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:59,100
an actual guy that claimed to 
have this like it, guess it's 

1125
00:58:59,100 --> 00:59:01,100
possible. 
Now, I'm trying to picture them 

1126
00:59:01,100 --> 00:59:04,500
like making out. 
It's possible that you know this

1127
00:59:04,500 --> 00:59:07,800
guy did have a picture and that 
he's paid off or something, but 

1128
00:59:07,900 --> 00:59:11,300
it is weird because Michelle has
talked so highly of Beyonce. 

1129
00:59:11,300 --> 00:59:14,100
Yeah, that's what I was going to
say and I feel like Beyonce 

1130
00:59:14,100 --> 00:59:15,900
probably thinks very highly of 
Michelle. 

1131
00:59:15,900 --> 00:59:18,400
Yeah. 
And the they have spent time 

1132
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:22,500
together the four of them. 
I mean, Brock Michelle Beyonce 

1133
00:59:22,500 --> 00:59:28,700
and Jay-Z have hung out, they 
know each other, but I just find

1134
00:59:28,700 --> 00:59:31,200
it hard to believe that Michelle
would love Beyonce so much. 

1135
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,800
If that, yeah, exactly. 
I just can't picture you. 

1136
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:40,000
I think he's no good but I mean,
they're both the trial. 

1137
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:46,300
He's gonna cheat with someone. 
Like I don't think it's true but

1138
00:59:46,300 --> 00:59:50,100
a Beyonce that answer and I 
know, you know, it is so like, 

1139
00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:51,800
oh Jeff came early. 
Monroe. 

1140
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,400
Like oh, yeah, that's true. 
That's true. 

1141
00:59:55,700 --> 00:59:59,200
But I don't believe it. 
Yeah, it seems like Beyonce and 

1142
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:03,400
Michelle are tight, so I know. 
Yeah. 

1143
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,100
Just thought I'd let you guys 
know, like, maybe a Beyonce. 

1144
01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:09,700
Was it really mad at Jay's? 
You could do is, he's cheating 

1145
01:00:09,700 --> 01:00:11,300
on her a lot like, oh, you know 
what? 

1146
01:00:11,300 --> 01:00:14,900
Well, I'm gonna fuck the 
president but I don't think I 

1147
01:00:14,908 --> 01:00:16,800
don't think. 
Yeah, I don't think that she 

1148
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:19,600
would do that either. 
Mmm, move gun to my head. 

1149
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:23,900
I would say it's not true. 
Yeah, You know what? 

1150
01:00:23,900 --> 01:00:26,000
That's the crazy thing that 
we've talked about stuff like 

1151
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,100
that probably has happened. 
Yeah, that nobody knows about. 

1152
01:00:29,100 --> 01:00:33,300
I know that's a crazy thing. 
There's probably been some so 

1153
01:00:33,300 --> 01:00:37,200
many hookups between famous 
people that would probably blow 

1154
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,700
our mind. 
Probably, I wish we could know 

1155
01:00:42,100 --> 01:00:46,300
2015, Michelle attended a panel 
for Glamour magazine. 

1156
01:00:46,300 --> 01:00:49,400
And she said, you don't want to 
be with a boy who's too stupid 

1157
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,000
to appreciate a smart young 
lady. 

1158
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,000
I want to encourage. 
All of us, young women. 

1159
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,600
As older women, we have to raise
our own bars. 

1160
01:00:55,900 --> 01:00:58,200
If I had worried about who liked
me and he thought I was cute 

1161
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,500
when I was your age, I wouldn't 
be married to the president of 

1162
01:01:00,500 --> 01:01:05,800
the United States today. 
Hmm, okay. 

1163
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:13,000
So then 2016, their time in the 
White House comes to an end. 

1164
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,600
You know what, had to happen 
someday in this country you can 

1165
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:20,300
only serve two terms. 
So yeah, before leaving the 

1166
01:01:20,300 --> 01:01:24,600
White House Michelle was on 
Stephen Colbert and he showed a 

1167
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:28,000
picture of her and Brock to him.
And she did an impression of 

1168
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,500
him. 
The thought was kind of funny, 

1169
01:01:29,500 --> 01:01:33,100
so I'm going to play it, but I 
still need to talk to you about 

1170
01:01:33,100 --> 01:01:36,000
this picture which when it was 
released burned the internet to 

1171
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,100
the ground. 
Yeah. 

1172
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:49,300
What do you guys food? 
You know, we liked you already 

1173
01:01:49,300 --> 01:01:51,000
didn't have to release this. 
Photograph. 

1174
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,600
Know what are you guys saying to
each other there? 

1175
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:55,700
How did this moment come about 
know? 

1176
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:59,900
Barack is horrible in photo 
shoots because and I hate doing 

1177
01:01:59,900 --> 01:02:02,100
photo shoots with him. 
So I'm sure right there, I would

1178
01:02:02,100 --> 01:02:05,400
think, would you just be patient
and stop? 

1179
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,300
Don't rush the photographer, 
exactly. 

1180
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:08,900
Yeah, I think we got the shot. 
Can I go? 

1181
01:02:08,900 --> 01:02:11,100
Can I go? 
And it's like no you can't go 

1182
01:02:11,100 --> 01:02:13,200
just beep. 
That was exactly. 

1183
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:17,200
Brock has two smiles. 
You know for a photo it's like 

1184
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:22,300
this smile or the smile and he 
just sort of like I think we're 

1185
01:02:22,300 --> 01:02:23,400
done. 
We have it. 

1186
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,300
Then it's like no we didn't. 
These photographers. 

1187
01:02:25,300 --> 01:02:26,500
They've been setting up for 
hours. 

1188
01:02:26,500 --> 01:02:28,200
He comes in. 
It's like I think I can give you

1189
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,000
five minutes. 
So I was trying to convince him 

1190
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:35,600
to just chill out and relax and 
so they caught that discussion. 

1191
01:02:39,300 --> 01:02:40,500
That's what's happening right 
now. 

1192
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:45,600
This is just one more 
photograph, just one more 

1193
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,100
photograph. 
Yeah, it was hard to get to 

1194
01:02:48,100 --> 01:02:50,600
stand for a photograph, your 
husband or your children. 

1195
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:55,900
Oh, my husband without a doubt. 
I mean, well, yeah him. 

1196
01:02:55,900 --> 01:02:59,200
Yeah, he's he's stuck. 
No, she were going to say him or

1197
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:07,000
Bo and sunny, well him, that 
smile, that was pretty good 

1198
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:07,900
impression. 
Your husband. 

1199
01:03:07,900 --> 01:03:09,400
Do you do an impression of your 
husband? 

1200
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,900
We all three of us. 
Have good impressions of Barack,

1201
01:03:12,900 --> 01:03:15,500
would you mind sharing a little 
bit busy at the dinner table? 

1202
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:19,800
Because you know, and Malia will
start it because she usually ask

1203
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,500
the serious question. 
Will Dad tell us about your day?

1204
01:03:22,700 --> 01:03:26,400
Oh, and what about that 
conversation on global warming. 

1205
01:03:26,900 --> 01:03:30,200
And Barack the Sasha and I are 
like, oh God, no, don't get him 

1206
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,300
started. 
He's like, well, no I'm glad 

1207
01:03:33,300 --> 01:03:34,700
you. 
I'm glad you asked that. 

1208
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:43,600
Let me just Let me just answer 
that in 3 points 1 and then 1, a

1209
01:03:43,700 --> 01:03:49,600
and then one, A, and B and Sasha
and I are like a professor. 

1210
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:53,300
Can I audit if lecture? 
Because Sasha and I want to talk

1211
01:03:53,300 --> 01:03:55,800
about our favorite song on 
lemonade album. 

1212
01:03:55,900 --> 01:03:57,400
That's what we want to talk 
about. 

1213
01:03:57,500 --> 01:04:03,300
Exactly, I heard you say about 
the president that he leaves the

1214
01:04:03,300 --> 01:04:05,200
job at the door. 
When he comes into the 

1215
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,400
residential part of the White 
House, he does that really 

1216
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,200
Because I can't leave my job of 
the door. 

1217
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:10,700
How does he need that at the 
door? 

1218
01:04:10,700 --> 01:04:14,800
You know, at least our time 
together because when he first 

1219
01:04:14,900 --> 01:04:17,500
walks in we have dinner it's 
usually dinner time. 

1220
01:04:17,500 --> 01:04:21,600
So that's the time when unless 
Malia asked him about his work 

1221
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:27,300
which we try not to have her, do
it's all about the kids. 

1222
01:04:27,300 --> 01:04:29,600
You know, how are your days? 
What's going on? 

1223
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,500
What's the latest gossip? 
He's really into gossip, so you 

1224
01:04:32,500 --> 01:04:35,900
can get them really focused 
because he doesn't have a life. 

1225
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:40,700
No, but he's got the NSA and he 
can find out what any of us are 

1226
01:04:40,700 --> 01:04:48,600
thinking those pretty funny. 
That was funny. 

1227
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,400
Whoa. 
You see, I'm glad you asked. 

1228
01:04:52,900 --> 01:04:55,100
It's got Points. 11? 
A? 

1229
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,600
Yeah. 
If he does really like a picture

1230
01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:58,900
that. 
Yeah, me too. 

1231
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:00,500
And she brought it the lemonade 
album. 

1232
01:05:00,500 --> 01:05:01,600
Yeah. 
Oh yeah. 

1233
01:05:01,700 --> 01:05:03,500
Beyonce. 
Yeah happened. 

1234
01:05:03,500 --> 01:05:04,000
Yeah. 
No. 

1235
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,400
I don't see would. 
No no. 

1236
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,200
Yeah she would have an inkling. 
Yeah. 

1237
01:05:08,300 --> 01:05:10,700
Just the silly rumor. 
Yeah. 

1238
01:05:12,100 --> 01:05:19,500
So then generally 2017 Brock is 
doing his farewell speech 

1239
01:05:19,500 --> 01:05:22,500
leaving the White House and he 
thanked Michelle actually in 

1240
01:05:22,500 --> 01:05:28,100
teared up and I'm going to play 
this to some of you here tonight

1241
01:05:28,100 --> 01:05:32,500
or watching at home. 
You were there with us in 2004 

1242
01:05:32,500 --> 01:05:45,200
and 2008 2012. 
Maybe you still can't believe we

1243
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:50,400
pulled this whole thing off. 
Let me tuck you're not the only 

1244
01:05:50,400 --> 01:06:08,000
ones Michelle. 
Michelle Lavon Robinson, girl of

1245
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:18,400
the south side. 
For the fans for the past 25 

1246
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:22,600
years, you have not only been my
wife and mother of my children, 

1247
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:35,000
you have been my best friend. 
You took on a role, you didn't 

1248
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:41,100
ask for. and you made it your 
own with Grace and with grit and

1249
01:06:41,100 --> 01:06:51,100
was style and Good Humor you 
made the White House, a place 

1250
01:06:51,100 --> 01:06:55,700
that belongs to everybody On the
new generation sets its sights 

1251
01:06:55,700 --> 01:06:58,500
higher because it has you as a 
role model. 

1252
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:05,200
So you have made me proud and 
you have made the country proud.

1253
01:07:06,900 --> 01:07:11,400
My God, I'm literally tearing up
right now because he was tearing

1254
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,000
up. 
He took out a little tissue. 

1255
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:17,200
My gosh, she was really crying 
that. 

1256
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:21,700
Like you can see there's so much
love there is in like it's 

1257
01:07:21,900 --> 01:07:25,600
really sweet that he dedicated 
that much of his farewell speech

1258
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:29,100
to her, I don't know and like 
you can see how much he 

1259
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:33,200
recognizes and appreciates the 
sacrifice that she made. 

1260
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:34,900
Like yeah. 
And that speech I can picture 

1261
01:07:34,900 --> 01:07:37,400
him lying awake. 
And I am thinking and feeling 

1262
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:42,300
kind of guilty of like she's 
putting herself in this 

1263
01:07:42,300 --> 01:07:44,200
position. 
And and she's like, you said, 

1264
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,800
like she really embraced it too 
and she did it with such Grace. 

1265
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:50,600
Yeah. 
He's a great speaker. 

1266
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:52,900
Yeah. 
Very long pauses. 

1267
01:07:52,900 --> 01:07:54,900
Okay. 
I know you're very young. 51 

1268
01:07:54,900 --> 01:07:58,700
point was over. 
It's so sad. 

1269
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,900
Love. 
They had an exit interview with 

1270
01:08:03,900 --> 01:08:07,400
People magazine and I thought 
this part was cute. 

1271
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,500
Brock said he loved his 
mother-in-law. 

1272
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:13,700
Michelle's mom and said, she 
protects me from Michelle, so if

1273
01:08:13,700 --> 01:08:16,200
she's mad at me, her mom will 
go. 

1274
01:08:16,399 --> 01:08:24,100
He's a nice boy, stop it after 
they left the White House, the 

1275
01:08:24,100 --> 01:08:28,700
family traveled to Italy, Hawaii
and Necker Island in the British

1276
01:08:28,700 --> 01:08:31,500
Virgin Islands. 
Apparently it's about owned by 

1277
01:08:31,500 --> 01:08:33,800
billionaire, Sir, Richard 
Branson. 

1278
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:37,300
So they're enjoying themselves 
which yeah, I think they 

1279
01:08:37,300 --> 01:08:40,899
deserve. 
Yeah, on life outside the White 

1280
01:08:40,899 --> 01:08:43,500
House. 
Michelle told Oprah I love Oprah

1281
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,000
02. 
I want to open my front door 

1282
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,300
without discussing it with 
anyone and I want to walk out 

1283
01:08:48,300 --> 01:08:51,399
that door and just walk just 
want to walk by myself or 

1284
01:08:51,399 --> 01:08:53,399
assemblance of feeling like I'm 
by myself. 

1285
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,000
I want to sit in the yard. 
That is not a national park. 

1286
01:08:56,100 --> 01:08:59,500
I do not know. 
I do want to drop into Target. 

1287
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,399
I want Ooh, I do. 
I want to go to Target again? 

1288
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:08,200
Hmm. 
Oh I hope she can do things. 

1289
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:13,200
Yeah, maybe a hat. 
Yeah, yeah, sunglasses. 

1290
01:09:13,399 --> 01:09:17,700
Yeah, kind of sunglasses. 
I would not be able to kind of 

1291
01:09:17,700 --> 01:09:20,500
creepy a wig. 
Remember doing that though like 

1292
01:09:20,500 --> 01:09:23,500
during the pandemic like I took 
a selfie myself out of mass 

1293
01:09:23,500 --> 01:09:25,800
honest glasses. 
You have think anything of it? 

1294
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,700
Yeah. 
In the book. 

1295
01:09:28,700 --> 01:09:30,100
Yes. 
We still can. 

1296
01:09:30,300 --> 01:09:33,399
By Dan Pfeiffer. 
He wrote that Obama said to him,

1297
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,800
here's the advice. 
I give everyone about marriage, 

1298
01:09:37,100 --> 01:09:38,800
is she? 
Someone you find interesting? 

1299
01:09:39,100 --> 01:09:41,399
You will spend more time with 
this person than anyone else for

1300
01:09:41,407 --> 01:09:43,200
the rest of your life. 
And there is nothing more 

1301
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:46,000
important than always wanting to
hear what she has to say about 

1302
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:50,200
things. 
I'm not married but so true. 

1303
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,700
I think it sounds true really 
sounds like keep getting to know

1304
01:09:53,700 --> 01:09:56,600
each other. 
Yeah, no, they really. 

1305
01:09:56,900 --> 01:10:00,700
They put in work. 
I feel like they both are Just 

1306
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:04,200
very dedicated people, you know?
Yeah, and see, like they both 

1307
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:08,500
like really think about Like how
to make marriage work, they're 

1308
01:10:08,500 --> 01:10:11,000
both like thoughtfully. 
Considering, it know what like 

1309
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:12,900
neither has given up or 
anything, which I think. 

1310
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,100
I feel like when people give up 
and they just like don't care 

1311
01:10:15,100 --> 01:10:18,600
anymore, that's when marriages 
fall apart, they very long term.

1312
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:23,500
In 2018 Michelle's, no more 
becoming was published and in 

1313
01:10:23,500 --> 01:10:26,700
the book, she talked about going
to marriage counseling and then 

1314
01:10:26,700 --> 01:10:29,500
she was on Jimmy Fallon and she 
joked that. 

1315
01:10:29,500 --> 01:10:32,500
She was one of those wives. 
He said I'm taking you to 

1316
01:10:32,500 --> 01:10:35,800
marriage counseling so you can 
be fixed Barack Obama because I 

1317
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:39,000
was like, Perfect. 
And then our counselor looked at

1318
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,000
me, and I was like, what are you
looking at? 

1319
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:44,400
And I guess she realized that it
wasn't up to her husband, to 

1320
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:50,900
make her happy that she's 
putting too much on him. 

1321
01:10:50,900 --> 01:10:55,200
I guess, you know, for her 
happiness, was this during their

1322
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:56,900
presidency? 
I don't know. 

1323
01:10:56,900 --> 01:11:01,000
I don't know when they did go, 
but that would be crazy. 

1324
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,800
You're the counselor and no 
president hard to keep the 

1325
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:08,200
secret. 
I know I'm very hard, you had to

1326
01:11:08,208 --> 01:11:10,400
be a very strong person. 
Yeah. 

1327
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:15,100
Also in 2018 Barack and Michelle
founded their production company

1328
01:11:15,100 --> 01:11:18,200
called Higher Ground. 
Yes. 

1329
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:20,700
We were actually be murdered on 
a. 

1330
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,000
We're do we need to cut. 
Yes, we are featured on a 

1331
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:29,400
podcast that was created by 
there but that's crazy. 

1332
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:33,000
I wonder if I listen to it, can 
picture that. 

1333
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:34,700
Barack Obama does he like 
Twilight? 

1334
01:11:34,700 --> 01:11:36,000
Did they sign off? 
Like did they? 

1335
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:41,000
Um, Their first film though. 
A documentary called American 

1336
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:42,700
Factory. 
Won the Academy Award. 

1337
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,600
Wow, that's cool. 
So they're all random. 

1338
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:48,400
I don't really know how they got
into this though. 

1339
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,300
It doesn't seem very connected 
to the rest of their careers 

1340
01:11:51,300 --> 01:11:52,700
doesn't feel like Megan and 
Harry. 

1341
01:11:52,700 --> 01:11:54,600
You're trying to do the yes, 
track. 

1342
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:56,400
Totally coffee. 
Yeah. 

1343
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,000
In 2019. 
Barack and Michelle bought a 

1344
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,000
house in Martha's Vineyard. 
Love it. 

1345
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:06,000
A lot of Martha's Vineyard 
couples on this podcast. 

1346
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:07,700
Yeah. 
Yeah yeah, yeah. 

1347
01:12:08,100 --> 01:12:13,900
September 20, 20 Michelle 
started her podcast if she still

1348
01:12:13,900 --> 01:12:16,800
does today. 
And she had Barack as her first 

1349
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,300
guest. 
And I wasn't that I was owed and

1350
01:12:19,300 --> 01:12:22,200
I thought they were really cool,
really enjoyed it, that they're 

1351
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:26,500
really thoughtful and had some 
deep conversations, but they're 

1352
01:12:26,500 --> 01:12:28,600
also very loving and teasing to 
each other. 

1353
01:12:29,700 --> 01:12:32,000
And they talked about because 
it's came out, September, 20, 

1354
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,000
20, and they talked about 
spending time in quarantine 

1355
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:38,400
together and Brock's said, I've 
been loving it and joked that 

1356
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:41,300
she didn't seem happy about it. 
Yeah. 

1357
01:12:41,300 --> 01:12:44,400
Didn't he have his birthday 
party around this time? 

1358
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,700
That was like, huge. 
I don't remember that. 

1359
01:12:46,700 --> 01:12:49,400
Okay, I think I reminded us and 
all of not even part of my 

1360
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:52,400
notes, but I feel like I 
remember it was kind of during 

1361
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:57,100
the height of the pandemic. 
They had a big party and yeah, I

1362
01:12:57,100 --> 01:12:59,100
mean people people are upset at 
me today. 

1363
01:12:59,100 --> 01:13:06,100
Yeah, but I wanted to like he's 
more of like not househusband 

1364
01:13:06,100 --> 01:13:09,200
now but like he's like I'm 
putting my feet up but I'm 

1365
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:11,300
relaxing. 
I want to just play chess or 

1366
01:13:11,300 --> 01:13:13,600
something. 
There's a I mean, what more can 

1367
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:15,600
you do for the world? 
Now exactly. 

1368
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,100
I kind of like how they've 
really take a step back to like 

1369
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:19,900
they will like campaign for 
people. 

1370
01:13:19,900 --> 01:13:22,900
But they're like yeah we're not 
really like getting involved 

1371
01:13:22,900 --> 01:13:25,200
anymore. 
I'm a certain point. 

1372
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:27,200
You really do need to just 
relax. 

1373
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,800
Yeah it's good for your health. 
Hmm. 

1374
01:13:29,900 --> 01:13:31,000
Yeah I mean when I don't think 
so. 

1375
01:13:31,100 --> 01:13:33,200
So hard. 
The presidency is, I always 

1376
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:36,900
think of that picture of Obama, 
like not even like yes, he was 

1377
01:13:36,900 --> 01:13:40,500
getting older but like how 
quickly he went gray and that 

1378
01:13:40,500 --> 01:13:45,000
just shows like the physical 
toll, that job that stressful 

1379
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,300
has on somebody. 
Seriously. 

1380
01:13:47,300 --> 01:13:52,700
I'm at mean, imagine a country 
blaming you for everything, a 

1381
01:13:52,700 --> 01:13:56,000
whole country, going downhill, 
or whatever. 

1382
01:13:57,200 --> 01:14:00,200
It's a lot. 
Yeah, every time there's like, 

1383
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:02,100
some major Phrases. 
Yeah. 

1384
01:14:02,100 --> 01:14:03,600
Go give a speech. 
Yeah. 

1385
01:14:03,700 --> 01:14:06,100
Like oh my gosh, I wonder if 
that's frightening. 

1386
01:14:06,100 --> 01:14:09,000
I wonder if you think that stage
fright before doing that, 

1387
01:14:09,700 --> 01:14:12,600
probably I'm like I'm sure 
there's sometimes you have to 

1388
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:15,100
give a speech where you have 
like a tummy ache that day or 

1389
01:14:15,100 --> 01:14:17,300
something. 
I like you don't even mean like 

1390
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:19,500
just have to push through it. 
Yeah. 

1391
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:23,800
So on the podcast this is just 
random stuff about their 

1392
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:25,700
relationship that I took note 
on. 

1393
01:14:25,900 --> 01:14:27,900
She mentioned that she would 
have more dogs. 

1394
01:14:27,900 --> 01:14:32,200
I think she's too if it weren't 
for Brock oh Oh interesting. 

1395
01:14:32,300 --> 01:14:35,700
Because one anymore. 
Yeah, I mean to is a good idea 

1396
01:14:35,700 --> 01:14:40,700
to Ryan. 
They talked about how he was a 

1397
01:14:40,700 --> 01:14:43,200
top of his class in law school 
and he joked. 

1398
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,500
That's why I started dating me 
because you thought I'd be your 

1399
01:14:45,500 --> 01:14:48,500
meal ticket. 
Michelle talked about how back 

1400
01:14:48,500 --> 01:14:51,000
in the day. 
She was more motivated by money 

1401
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:53,300
than Barack, because she wanted 
to be a rich lawyer. 

1402
01:14:53,300 --> 01:14:56,800
And she even joined a wine club,
but then she realized it wasn't 

1403
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,000
fulfilling and she said that 
working on the 47th floor below.

1404
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,700
Firm was lonely and Fleeting. 
That's what you got into more 

1405
01:15:02,700 --> 01:15:06,100
like Community. 
Yeah, we talked a lot about 

1406
01:15:06,100 --> 01:15:09,400
Community actually reminds me my
friend Madison. 

1407
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:13,700
She's very into community, and 
we talked about that lot, but 

1408
01:15:14,700 --> 01:15:17,700
it's kind of related to their 
marriage, but I just thought it 

1409
01:15:17,700 --> 01:15:21,000
was something to think about. 
He said, I think culturally 

1410
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,800
we've become much more focused 
on stuff and less focused on 

1411
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:28,000
relationships family, part of 
being an adult, and citizen is 

1412
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:31,600
to give stuff up. 
And she said that She feels like

1413
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:34,600
people should stop striving to 
have it all because it's not 

1414
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:36,800
realistic and ultimately 
isolating. 

1415
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,000
And she said that's the opposite
of what I was taught. 

1416
01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:40,400
You were never supposed to have 
it all. 

1417
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:42,400
If you had it all that meant, 
you were being greedy because 

1418
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,600
you're taking me away from 
someone else and they were just 

1419
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:49,800
encouraging people to be more 
selfless and to be there for 

1420
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:54,100
your friends and family, which I
actually do believe in 

1421
01:15:54,300 --> 01:15:56,600
something. 
I have this thought this is like

1422
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,700
a tangent, but I just feel like 
we could make the world such a 

1423
01:15:59,708 --> 01:16:02,400
better place, if everybody. 
They took care of each other, 

1424
01:16:02,700 --> 01:16:06,100
that's so true and I feel like 
she's also saying like it's not 

1425
01:16:06,100 --> 01:16:08,600
about what are they singing that
song? 

1426
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:13,600
Like, soak up the side? 
It's not about, it's not getting

1427
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,200
what you want. 
It's loving what you've got. 

1428
01:16:16,300 --> 01:16:18,400
What is it? 
It's not getting what you want. 

1429
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:20,800
It's loving, what you yeah. 
Did you just look that up? 

1430
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:21,900
No. 
Oh wow. 

1431
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:25,900
Oh my God. 
Yeah. 

1432
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:29,000
Yeah. 
I do think that that's true. 

1433
01:16:32,100 --> 01:16:35,800
We have a probably all too 
materialistic, but yeah, she 

1434
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:40,100
called him the eternal optimist 
at the end of the episode. 

1435
01:16:40,100 --> 01:16:43,300
If I was funny, she thanked him 
for coming on the show. 

1436
01:16:43,300 --> 01:16:47,600
He's like, we like talking. 
I wanna listen to the. 

1437
01:16:47,608 --> 01:16:49,800
Yeah. 
And then he said, love you and 

1438
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:52,700
he said, love you cute and then,
okay. 

1439
01:16:52,700 --> 01:16:55,800
This is really the last thing I 
have, she was on NPR and she 

1440
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:59,300
talked about her advice for 
having a long marriage. 

1441
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:00,800
It's probably mentions, attend 
your thing. 

1442
01:17:00,900 --> 01:17:03,900
We will see people I think and 
you've written about this. 

1443
01:17:03,900 --> 01:17:06,000
They have idealized your 
marriage, they said there and 

1444
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:07,900
look at it. 
But you have always been very 

1445
01:17:07,900 --> 01:17:10,600
clear-eyed and very honest. 
That marriage takes work. 

1446
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,000
It takes daily work. 
And that it is not always 

1447
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:16,000
glamorous and you have had some 
very unique strains, but there's

1448
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,000
also the strains that any of us 
who are in a relationship or 

1449
01:17:18,008 --> 01:17:20,500
married phase. 
Whether it be whose career goes 

1450
01:17:20,500 --> 01:17:23,300
first or who takes on the 
childcare labor is there. 

1451
01:17:23,300 --> 01:17:25,800
One piece of advice that you 
would give for people who are 

1452
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,200
thinking about how you put in 
that work for a partnership 

1453
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:30,600
that's lasted. 
But yeah, it's not really one 

1454
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:32,700
piece. 
Advise, it's to me, it's a 

1455
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:36,500
philosophy. 
It's an Outlook, you know, in 

1456
01:17:36,500 --> 01:17:41,000
this age of we want everything. 
Now, we want everything quick. 

1457
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:44,600
We you know when life is 
everything but that we have to 

1458
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:49,400
understand that marriage is 
never 50/50 and, you know, you 

1459
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,400
sort of wonder how that idea 
kind of got out there. 

1460
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:56,700
I have found that if you stick 
with it, you know over the 

1461
01:17:56,700 --> 01:18:00,800
course of your entire 
relationship, you may have. 

1462
01:18:00,900 --> 01:18:05,600
50/50 over time, but if I look 
over my marriage, if I were to 

1463
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:10,500
judge it in year 5 or year 10, 
there was never 50/50. 

1464
01:18:10,500 --> 01:18:14,600
Somebody was always giving way 
more someone always needed a 

1465
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:17,400
different kind of thing, you 
have to evolve with it. 

1466
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:23,000
And so yeah, there were times 
when I felt like I was 70% in 

1467
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:27,200
and he was doing 30 percent 
because of the choices that I 

1468
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:29,900
made in the terms of how I 
wanted our family to look. 

1469
01:18:29,900 --> 01:18:35,100
I had to To take my foot off of 
my career gas pedal, never 

1470
01:18:35,100 --> 01:18:38,100
putting on the brake, but 
slowing up a little bit. 

1471
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:41,100
Those are the natural 
compromises that are required. 

1472
01:18:41,100 --> 01:18:45,500
And I feel bad when I see young 
people giving up on their 

1473
01:18:45,500 --> 01:18:49,400
relationships, because there's 
their periods of hard, their 

1474
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,400
periods of discomfort. 
So I think it's important for us

1475
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:54,500
to be honest in those 
conversations. 

1476
01:18:54,500 --> 01:18:58,200
Not to glamorize what a 
partnership feels like because 

1477
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:00,800
then young people, quit too 
soon. 

1478
01:19:00,900 --> 01:19:04,100
Soon, they quit before they've 
really, you know, played out the

1479
01:19:04,100 --> 01:19:09,800
full scenario. 
That's her classic never 50 50. 

1480
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:11,200
Yeah. 
It's confusing about that 

1481
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:13,700
though. 
Is at what point are you staying

1482
01:19:13,700 --> 01:19:17,600
too long in a situation that you
shouldn't be in because you're 

1483
01:19:17,700 --> 01:19:21,500
you see the big picture and you 
see potential or you see like oh

1484
01:19:21,500 --> 01:19:24,600
you know, I eventually this will
change but what if it doesn't 

1485
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:30,000
and what if you are wasting your
time with somebody I don't know.

1486
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:31,600
I mean, I wish you would 
elaborate it. 

1487
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:33,700
Elaborate on it a little bit 
more. 

1488
01:19:34,100 --> 01:19:38,300
I don't know if she means that 
like there's years where she's 

1489
01:19:38,300 --> 01:19:42,800
doing 30% of words more like 
because if they today 10 years 

1490
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,800
of like, that's a lot. 
Yes, I am. 

1491
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:49,200
Yeah, it's tough. 
Cause like, I'm not married. 

1492
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:52,900
So I feel like, I don't know, 
but I feel like this is gonna 

1493
01:19:52,900 --> 01:19:56,900
sound weird but my friend 
Madison, as I mentioned earlier 

1494
01:19:56,900 --> 01:20:00,800
is really into community. 
She was talking a lot about it 

1495
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:04,200
and I kind of had a thought that
it didn't sound too different 

1496
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:07,900
from business and then I also 
because you're talking about 

1497
01:20:07,900 --> 01:20:12,000
like getting through conflict 
and making decisions. 

1498
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,000
And how do you do that with a 
group of people? 

1499
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:15,600
And I was thinking about doesn't
sound that different from a 

1500
01:20:15,608 --> 01:20:18,200
business and that will not sound
very romantic. 

1501
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:21,200
But I was then even thinking 
it's kind of like a marriage and

1502
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:24,700
like all of these things, 
whether it's an intentional 

1503
01:20:24,700 --> 01:20:28,300
Community, or a business, or a 
marriage there about commitment,

1504
01:20:28,300 --> 01:20:31,900
it's like We're going to whether
it's a group of people or, you 

1505
01:20:31,900 --> 01:20:36,900
know, marriage is. 
I think it is romantic but I do 

1506
01:20:36,900 --> 01:20:41,300
think it is a commitment to an 
ideal or to strive towards 

1507
01:20:41,300 --> 01:20:43,800
something. 
I think you have to both want 

1508
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:45,500
the same life. 
Yeah. 

1509
01:20:46,100 --> 01:20:49,100
And whether that's like having 
kids and grandkids someday and 

1510
01:20:49,100 --> 01:20:51,800
like you know having them come 
to your house or whatever. 

1511
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:53,500
We're going to see. 
I don't know what it is but like

1512
01:20:54,100 --> 01:21:00,600
you, I think, dude get through 
that because you Are getting 

1513
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:02,700
through all of this for the life
that you want. 

1514
01:21:02,700 --> 01:21:05,400
And so you have to strip both 
want it. 

1515
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:07,400
I think it's the thing. 
Yeah, I think so. 

1516
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:10,100
And I think not everybody gets 
married necessarily wanting 

1517
01:21:10,100 --> 01:21:13,500
that, like, I think some people 
don't get married fully ready to

1518
01:21:13,500 --> 01:21:15,700
commit to somebody for the rest 
of their life. 

1519
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,600
But when you are getting 
married, it's because it should 

1520
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:23,700
be because you value wanting to 
have a lifelong partnership, 

1521
01:21:23,700 --> 01:21:26,400
which might not always look 
super romantic. 

1522
01:21:26,500 --> 01:21:29,200
Yeah, idyllic. 
And it's going to, you have to 

1523
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:31,400
know, Going into it, that it's 
going to be hard. 

1524
01:21:31,900 --> 01:21:35,400
But I think people, I think what
she's saying, is young people 

1525
01:21:35,500 --> 01:21:38,900
who want a partnership, they 
think it looks different. 

1526
01:21:38,900 --> 01:21:42,100
Yeah, than it actually does. 
But if people don't like, I 

1527
01:21:42,108 --> 01:21:45,100
think there's also a value like 
some people don't want to stick 

1528
01:21:45,100 --> 01:21:47,800
it out like it too. 
That's not important to have a 

1529
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:50,100
lifelong partner. 
They would rather maybe have a 

1530
01:21:50,108 --> 01:21:52,300
few good years with somebody and
then have a few good years with 

1531
01:21:52,308 --> 01:21:53,200
somebody else. 
Yeah. 

1532
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:55,700
Having like the beginning stage?
Mmm. 

1533
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:57,700
Yes. 
It means different things to 

1534
01:21:57,700 --> 01:21:59,400
different people. 
I wonder why. 

1535
01:21:59,700 --> 01:22:03,500
I don't really know like she's 
said it many times, but I 

1536
01:22:03,500 --> 01:22:07,500
sometimes don't know what to 
even means by the like I'm 

1537
01:22:07,500 --> 01:22:10,400
giving seventies giving 30 or 
whatever like yeah, what does 

1538
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:15,300
that mean? 
Yeah, like giving it in at home 

1539
01:22:15,300 --> 01:22:16,500
or yeah. 
Yeah. 

1540
01:22:16,500 --> 01:22:20,200
Or is it just that you guys are 
making more decisions about one 

1541
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:23,200
of them versus the other? 
Probably maybe, you know and I 

1542
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:26,400
wonder like, okay now that he's 
not the president is there is a 

1543
01:22:26,407 --> 01:22:29,400
50/50 or like, I don't know. 
Yeah it's a little puzzling. 

1544
01:22:29,500 --> 01:22:32,100
Ceiling, but it's kind of her 
thing that, you know, I got some

1545
01:22:32,100 --> 01:22:35,600
moves like, even in life like if
you're not the president or 

1546
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:37,900
whatever like yeah transfer. 
Like someone has a just a lot 

1547
01:22:37,900 --> 01:22:40,800
more problems going on. 
So like the focal point and like

1548
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:43,400
the thing that you're talking 
about the most or something true

1549
01:22:43,500 --> 01:22:46,600
true. 
Yeah, I don't know, I hope that 

1550
01:22:47,100 --> 01:22:54,100
she feels like it's 50/50 or 
it's more on her side because it

1551
01:22:54,100 --> 01:22:56,800
sounds like she always kind of, 
says, like, she's giving more 

1552
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,000
than I know. 
When is he, when is he giving 

1553
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:05,300
you But they do seem to love 
each other a lot. 

1554
01:23:05,300 --> 01:23:09,000
And I think that they are just 
especially her. 

1555
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:12,200
I think she's very honest and 
it's almost like one of her 

1556
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:15,700
causes I think is she wants 
people to know that they can 

1557
01:23:15,700 --> 01:23:18,300
make it work. 
And I feel like she just is 

1558
01:23:18,700 --> 01:23:20,800
putting all this out there, that
sounds kind of negative but I 

1559
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:23,100
think she's doing it because she
thinks it will help people. 

1560
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:27,700
So I feel like they do have a 
good marriage and so together 

1561
01:23:27,700 --> 01:23:31,400
today, And if I had to guess, I 
really think they will stay 

1562
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:34,300
together. 
I'm gonna say, like, 90%, you 

1563
01:23:34,300 --> 01:23:36,300
two stay together. 
I think they're a game. 

1564
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:38,100
Yeah, I do. 
If I couldn't picture them. 

1565
01:23:38,100 --> 01:23:41,000
Same. 
I also think when it comes to 

1566
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:45,900
public figures like this, it's 
kind of hard for them to get 

1567
01:23:45,900 --> 01:23:48,800
divorced. 
Oh I know that would be crazy. 

1568
01:23:48,900 --> 01:23:50,900
There had to have been 
presidents who have gotten 

1569
01:23:50,900 --> 01:23:59,500
divorced after probably maybe 
not divorced after Being a 

1570
01:23:59,500 --> 01:24:05,600
president. 
After feel like FDR and Eleanor 

1571
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:09,300
Roosevelt were kind of 
separated, but they still were 

1572
01:24:09,300 --> 01:24:10,800
married. 
I'm reading it. 

1573
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:14,100
Ronald Reagan was the only 
president who ever divorced his 

1574
01:24:14,100 --> 01:24:18,500
wife. 
He divorced Nancy Reagan. 

1575
01:24:19,100 --> 01:24:21,800
No but he left that first 
marriage. 

1576
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:24,800
So, early in life moved on to 
such a stable and functional 

1577
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:26,900
second marriage that the voters 
didn't care. 

1578
01:24:26,900 --> 01:24:28,800
Okay. 
Stuff before it wasn't Trump 

1579
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:30,400
divorced twice. 
Yeah. 

1580
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:33,400
What this means. 
Yeah, yeah, it's 1 2010. 

1581
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:37,700
Oh yeah, has divorced twice? 
Yeah, I don't think correct me 

1582
01:24:37,700 --> 01:24:40,200
if I'm wrong people but I don't 
think anyone's gonna divorce 

1583
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:43,100
after being in the doesn't seem 
like it like a president and the

1584
01:24:43,100 --> 01:24:50,600
first lady mmm-hmm We'll be the 
first probably true. 

1585
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:56,600
I had to guess all that's quite 
old now. 

1586
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:01,200
Yeah, I know. 
One point you're like this. 

1587
01:25:02,700 --> 01:25:07,700
It's too old to do anything 
about it, but yeah, so that is 

1588
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:11,600
Barack and Michelle Obama. 
The Love Story. 

1589
01:25:11,700 --> 01:25:13,100
It was really sweet and they 
did. 

1590
01:25:13,100 --> 01:25:15,000
Make me want to watch a movie 
about them. 

1591
01:25:15,500 --> 01:25:18,000
There is one, there is one. 
I think you'll be interesting. 

1592
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,400
If there's one more about their 
whole relationship, I think that

1593
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,900
could be really good murder. 
Well, be yeah, probably 

1594
01:25:22,900 --> 01:25:24,400
something. 
Yeah, definitely. 

1595
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:27,700
Yeah. 
I enjoyed learning more about 

1596
01:25:27,700 --> 01:25:29,300
them. 
It was fun. 

1597
01:25:29,700 --> 01:25:31,000
So, thank you guys for 
listening. 

1598
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:32,500
I know, I did include 
everything. 

1599
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:36,700
Too much but you know, you could
have a whole podcast about them.

1600
01:25:36,700 --> 01:25:42,600
Yeah, well maybe we'll get them 
on the show. 

1601
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:44,400
What? 
Because they do podcast. 

1602
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:49,600
Yeah, we might as well as ass. 
Maybe that's her 50 or whatever.

1603
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:51,700
That she's like, I want to do 
media. 

1604
01:25:51,700 --> 01:25:56,300
Yeah. 
I like though that one of her 

1605
01:25:56,300 --> 01:26:01,300
causes is educating people about
the reality of barrage, which 

1606
01:26:01,300 --> 01:26:04,500
makes me think she might I want 
to be a guest on the show. 

1607
01:26:04,700 --> 01:26:07,100
So do you like that know how it 
seems from the outside? 

1608
01:26:07,100 --> 01:26:08,800
This is what it's like on the 
inside. 

1609
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:10,300
Yeah. 
Michelle. 

1610
01:26:10,300 --> 01:26:13,000
If you're listening. 
Hmm, collab. 

1611
01:26:14,700 --> 01:26:18,200
That would be terrifying. 
Would literally like shit. 

1612
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:21,400
Myself is scariest, guess, I 
don't even her hairier than 

1613
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:25,300
Kathryn fight with Mama comes on
to, oh my God. 

1614
01:26:25,300 --> 01:26:30,700
Never promised seem like, he's 
like your old principal in a 

1615
01:26:30,708 --> 01:26:33,100
way, like I feel like if I ran 
into Obama on Street, like, he 

1616
01:26:33,100 --> 01:26:36,100
would get away. 
I am what you don't get. 

1617
01:26:36,100 --> 01:26:38,300
That. 
Could know, you know, like, 

1618
01:26:38,300 --> 01:26:41,400
there's just such a familiarity,
you know, he probably went every

1619
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:44,600
time he interacts with people, 
he probably always acts like 

1620
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:47,200
they know that I'm Brock Obama, 
you know what I mean? 

1621
01:26:47,500 --> 01:26:50,400
Yeah. 
But not that he knows, you know?

1622
01:26:51,700 --> 01:26:54,400
No, I don't think I would 
because I feel like I know him. 

1623
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:57,100
So he knows me, that's a parents
of the relation. 

1624
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:02,900
We've enjoyed, that is literally
Oh my God. 

1625
01:27:03,100 --> 01:27:09,000
If I have to hear that word, one
more time, people like you said,

1626
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:11,400
this to me off the mic. 
I feel like people are just 

1627
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:13,700
learned that word. 
Oh, yeah, they're applying it to

1628
01:27:14,900 --> 01:27:19,400
people for the dawn of time 
have, like, talked about people 

1629
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:22,200
that they didn't know and, like,
made assumptions about them. 

1630
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:25,400
And yeah, that's like, we are 
literally social creatures. 

1631
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:27,200
Yeah. 
And people have done it since, 

1632
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:30,300
like ancient Rome. 
So probably before that. 

1633
01:27:30,300 --> 01:27:33,100
Hmm. 
And especially It's like giving 

1634
01:27:33,100 --> 01:27:36,000
you Joy. 
What is the problem with it? 

1635
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,600
Yeah, you know, everybody does 
it. 

1636
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:40,800
Yeah, I really feel like when 
people talk about that it's 

1637
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:42,700
because they feel smart. 
Hmm. 

1638
01:27:43,100 --> 01:27:46,100
And that's what people are so 
selective about it. 

1639
01:27:46,100 --> 01:27:48,500
Yeah. 
We like have parasocial 

1640
01:27:48,500 --> 01:27:50,700
relationships with their 
favorite musician, or something,

1641
01:27:50,700 --> 01:27:53,200
or whatever. 
And then like for like a random 

1642
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:55,800
person, they wanted to just put 
other people down and say like, 

1643
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:58,500
yeah, I'll never understand 
these parasocial relationships 

1644
01:27:58,500 --> 01:27:59,600
and then they'll probably talk 
about. 

1645
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:00,800
Yeah like a politician or 
something. 

1646
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:03,800
Yeah. 45 It's an act like they 
know them. 

1647
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:07,700
You don't care about that on 
this show. 

1648
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:09,800
No. 
You know what I do? 

1649
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:12,500
Have parasocial relationships. 
I'm proud. 

1650
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:20,200
Yeah, I'm creepy. 
And I'm proud as long as you're 

1651
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:24,000
not showing up at their doorstep
and then like a ton of messages 

1652
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,700
who cares. 
Yeah, you know, it's it doesn't 

1653
01:28:26,700 --> 01:28:28,400
dictate your life. 
Hmm. 

1654
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:31,700
It's you and your cousin talking
about. 

1655
01:28:38,700 --> 01:28:41,700
Well, thank you guys so much for
listening. 

1656
01:28:42,100 --> 01:28:44,900
Speaking of people that you have
a pair of social relationship 

1657
01:28:44,900 --> 01:28:48,700
with, who can you give us a hint
about who the next episode is 

1658
01:28:48,700 --> 01:28:50,300
on? 
Are you giving away that? 

1659
01:28:50,300 --> 01:28:52,600
I have a very special 
relationship with this price is 

1660
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:54,800
a little bit, that's kind of a 
hint in itself. 

1661
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:59,500
Yeah. 
And next week is about My 

1662
01:28:59,500 --> 01:29:04,200
favorite musical artists and I'm
obsessed. 

1663
01:29:04,500 --> 01:29:09,600
Um, I've definitely mentioned 
this artist on the show before 

1664
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:11,900
and it's about a relationship 
that I think was very 

1665
01:29:11,900 --> 01:29:18,200
influential on the music as 
music episode mmm-hmm. 

1666
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:25,000
Well, thank you guys again. 
And thank you for listening. 

1667
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:28,700
We'll get back together next 
week and like I said, if there's

1668
01:29:28,700 --> 01:29:32,600
any Doctors was sitting and you 
have any advice. 

1669
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:34,700
Let me know. 
That'd be cool for doctors. 

1670
01:29:34,700 --> 01:29:35,800
Listen, I have. 
Yeah, do it. 

1671
01:29:36,900 --> 01:29:46,900
I doubt it politicians was okay.
Bye.