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Are you lonesome tonight? 
Do you miss me tonight? 

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Are you sorry we drifted apart? 
Does. 

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Your Hi guys. 
Hey guys. 

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Welcome back to Significant 
Lovers. 

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Welcome, welcome. 
We are your hosts. 

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My name is Mel. 
And I'm Kel. 

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And I'm Caitlin, welcome to this
episode of Significant Lovers. 

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We are a true love podcast 
hosted by cousins and best 

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friends. 
Me and Kelly are sisters and 

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we're cousins with Mel. 
I don't know if I need to go to 

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and that. 
Yeah, it's awkward trying to 

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like describe like for cousins, 
but like technically you 2 are 

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sisters but you're both going 
with. 

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Me. 
Yeah. 

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I know. 
Yeah, it is. 

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Mel is hosting today, is telling
the story and we'll have a 

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little more chitchat to get 
into. 

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But just to kick it off, Mel, 
who are we talking about today? 

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This is a very fun episode for 
me. 

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It's a couple that I am recently
shipping and I feel like there's

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a lot of people in the same 
boat. 

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And this is Jen Tran and Sasha 
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Jen Tran was the most recent 
Bachelorette and she spoiler not

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a spoiler, but she had a messy 
breakup with the man that she 

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chose on The Bachelorette and 
ended up going on Dancing with 

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the Stars and it looks like she 
found love with her dance 

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partner Sasha Farber, who has 
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for the past decade or so. 
Very very cute budding 

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relationship. 
This is very current, so by the 

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time we record between, by the 
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might be new stuff that is out, 
but we're recording this on 

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January 6th, so. 
Hopefully what's not out is that

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they broke up or something like 
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That would be awful. 
I know. 

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But yeah, it could happen, so 
just keep that in mind people. 

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This is January 6th, 2024. 2025.
It always happens though. 

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Would you say Kate? 
I said you don't know what year 

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we're in. 
No, it's new. 

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It's new. 
It's the new year come. 

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On But yeah, before we get into 
the episode, I want to bring 

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back our new favorite segment, 
our trivia segment. 

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Once again I have 3 questions. 
Oh my gosh. 

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I'm going to win this time. 
All right, we'll see. 

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They I, I think, I think they 
get, well, actually my last 

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one's kind of easy, I think for 
me, but we'll see. 

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I always think they're hard and 
then you guys get them so 

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quickly. 
Not always. 

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It's there's been, so there's 
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though. 
So sometimes it it's like it 

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gets harder and harder each 
episode, yeah. 

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It does. 
I can't remember everything I 

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know. 
Question one. 

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Name the couple who used to 
affectionately refer to each 

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other by the nicknames Johnny 
and Dolly, even though those 

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names are not remotely similar 
to their real names. 

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Elvis Presley. 
And what is her name? 

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The Dancing Margaret. 
Yeah, Anne Margaret. 

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Actually, no. 
But wait, did what do that? 

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Did they do that too? 
They did that too, I thought. 

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They had nicknames, but I don't 
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Yeah. 
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dog's name or something. 
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OK. 
I thought for sure I had that. 

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OK. 
I don't know. 

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I'm going to go out on a leg and
say something crazy. 

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I'm thinking Albert Einstein and
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Ding, Ding, Ding. 
Oh my God, what? 

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I just thought that too, Kate, 
and you won't believe me, but I 

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was like, OK, after she answers,
I'm going to. 

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Say that. 
Oh my gosh, I can't believe it. 

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You. 
Got it, got it. 

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OK 1.1 point Caitlin. 
Second question, who said it? 

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I couldn't not love him. 
I apprenticed myself to the best

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in him and bickered with the 
worst and to top it off, we were

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the same size. 
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stand next to me at the party. 
People will think we are salt 

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and pepper shakers. 
I have never heard this. 

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Paul Simon and Carrie Fisher. 
Ding Ding Ding. 

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Yay. 
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Right. 
OK, we're tied they kind. 

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Of do look like salt and pepper 
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Name the celebrity who allegedly
first professed his love for his

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lover when, quote, chopping wood
and yelling up at the moon. 

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Oh, James Taylor. 
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just like an idiot, but when we 
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was like, oh, he was chopping 
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I thought he was literally 
chopping wood outside. 

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He was he not? 
No, I looked it up. 

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Chopping wood is slang for 
masturbating. 

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Oh my God, you kidding? 
Me, I mean. 

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Maybe don't tell me that I'm. 
Sure. 

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Wait, but how do you know he 
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What if he meant it literally? 
I don't know. 

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But like, now that I think about
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I mean, they're both kind of. 
Weird, I thought she was like 

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looking out the window. 
No, he said. 

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I think he said I'm going to go 
outside and chop a wood. 

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Or she's she used that 
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to chop wood, was looking up at 
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It's so. 
Weird. 

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Please let it be the literal 
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Why? 
Why, when you're like in the 

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presence of your lover, would 
you go outside to? 

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Masturbate. 
I don't know. 

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And. 
She was just aware of that. 

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Like he, he said like, oh, he 
wanted to hook up. 

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And she was like, I'm not in the
mood. 

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And so he was like, OK, I'm just
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I have to be actually chopping 
wood. 

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I'd have to reread the passage. 
Should I go? 

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Should I go get the book? 
If you haven't, if you remember 

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where? 
OK, let me see. 

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Let me see. 
Oh yeah, the chapter. 

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The chapter was referred to as 
Chopin Wood. 

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Chopin like N yeah, a posture. 
Yes, okay, I found the passage. 

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Okay, what to say? 
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house, he laid a few pieces of 
newly split wood, Okay, that 

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sounds like real wood, into the 
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it, lit it on up. 
That's real 1. 

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No, that's just the. 
That's just the situation he 

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needs in order to. 
Let's see, let's see if it's a 

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play on words though, She said. 
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closed the stove's glass doors 
and turned out all but one small

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luck near our pull out bed. 
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upstairs to check how Kate was 
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I think that's his sister. 
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James had seized that moment, 
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catharsis, and in a fit of love 
crazed wood chopping, sung my 

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name up to the moon. 
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like? 
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even happen. 
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imagined it. 
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All right, well, nonetheless, 
Kelly got the points for that. 

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Yay, can't. 
Say that. 

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Yeah, I said it. 
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Oh wait, who got that? 
Caitlin got it. 

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Me, I got it. 
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Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't. 
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SEC. 
I'm sorry. 

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Caitlin won no. 
Fair. 

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Congrats, I can't believe this 
that didn't even happen. 

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Yeah, what, Mel? 
She said the way I saw it, so I 

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think she imagined it. 
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Falls in for me. 
In that episode, OK, well, I 

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want to thank some of our new 
patrons over on the Patreon for 

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bonus episodes. 
Thank you. 

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They will have gotten our last 
episode and they will get our 

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next episode and many, many, 
many others which you're not 

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getting if you're not in the 
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So come in the club. 
OK, So just want to thank Andrea

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or Andrea, Emily, Charlotte, 
Bronte, Lola, M, Miranda, Fiona,

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Emma, Maddie, Avery, Kim, North 
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Francesca and Maddie. 
Thank you. 

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Thank you guys. 
Was Charlotte and Bronte two 

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different people or was it 
Charlotte Bronte? 

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It was 2. 
Two different people. 

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Oh. 
My God, you. 

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Know that is weird. 
Charlotte Bronte, Wait. 

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And weirdly, Emily came before 
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Wow. 
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That's spooky. 
It was all the same day. 

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Literally Emily signed up, then 
Charlotte, then Bronte. 

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Whoa this is weird. 
OK also wait a SEC, are they 

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like associated together? 
Is this a prank or something? 

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Cuz I don't know if I should say
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the last names on it is Rock 
Cliff. 

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It's like Heath Cliff. 
Maybe that's just like. 

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This is getting weird. 
I don't know. 

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That's crazy. 
But they all they all seem to 

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use a different currency though.
True. 

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Wow. 
I'm scared. 

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Well, I think that those are all
of our announcements, right? 

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I think so. 
OK, we're ready to get into the 

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episode, all right. 
Well, Mel, how would you 

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describe this couple in three 
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I would say serendipitous 30 and
healing. 

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Nice, all positive sounds. 
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Yeah, I've just been so 
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couple. 
I did watch Dancing with the 

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Stars this season. 
I'm not someone who watches the 

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Bachelor Bachelorette franchise.
I know, Caitlin, you tune in 

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sometimes, but I feel like I'm 
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on in the show. 
It's always pretty heavily on my

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social media pages or in the 
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And I just feel like I always 
like know what happens without 

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watching it but. 
Same with me. 

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I used to watch Dancing with the
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much anymore. 
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getting back into it because I 
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But it's fun and I I really like
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with on the show. 
But I will say Dancing with the 

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Stars has led to many couples 
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probably more many. 
I know, it's crazy. 

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That's more than the Bachelor. 
French. 

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Seriously, most of them are not 
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actually are. 
What's interesting about the 

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show is a lot of the dancers 
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The pro dancers, like they're 
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dancers. 
It's almost like a reality show 

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in itself. 
But then sometimes they date 

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their celebrity partner. 
And in a TikTok by former pro 

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dancer Cheryl Burke, she was 
doing AQ and A, and she said 

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that most of the time in a show 
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couple in the professional 
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that falls first because they're
in a vulnerable position, doing 

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something out of their comfort 
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Interesting. 
You go on this emotional roller 

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coaster when taking part in such
an intense show and the person 

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you're with seven days a week is
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Even some of the celebrities who
have joined the show haven't 

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shown that type of vulnerability
to their intimate partners. 

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I do think that the producers 
definitely encourage the 

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showmances though, obviously for
ratings. 

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Is it like a parent on the show?
There have been past seasons, 

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like I was looking into this, 
there were past seasons where 

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they before they do their dance,
they have like a whole package 

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where they like talk about what 
their dance is going to be for 

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the week. 
And it literally it's like 

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intense music playing and the 
partners like tell each other 

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they have feelings for each 
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it's like, what is this? 
It's really. 

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It. 
Seems kind of fake, but you can 

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also understand why some couples
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like The Hunger Games. 
Like the more people care about 

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you at home, the further you go 
in the show. 

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So. 
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vote? 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, it's kind of like American
Idol. 

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I've never watched it. 
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scores unlike American Idol, 
like they combine the scores 

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with the votes from home. 
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that's on the show with fans 
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I kind of prefer that because I 
do think sometimes the fans just

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get it wrong. 
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Yeah, I like that there's kind 
of checks and balances. 

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Yeah, because somebody could be 
really popular, but then also a 

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horrible dancer. 
And it's like, what are you 

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doing in the finale? 
And you can hardly move your two

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left feet, you know. 
Yeah, that happens on the show 

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for sure. 
I think it happened this past 

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season. 
Ilona Mara, she's the Olympic 

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rugby player who is so lovable 
and like huge on social media. 

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And she did have a huge 
transformation on the show. 

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She got a lot better week to 
week, but she still probably 

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wasn't one of the better 
dancers. 

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But she made it to the finale, 
the top 2, even though oh. 

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My gosh. 
Her dance wasn't like on par 

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with some of the other dancers. 
Yeah, that's kind of upsetting. 

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But I also was excited for this 
episode because back in college,

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I spent several weeks writing 
this really in depth research 

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paper for a class that was about
the history of dance, All about 

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how dance scientifically helps 
people to fall in love. 

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And I wish I found the paper. 
I was going through my Google 

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Drive. 
I even tried to log into like my

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college portal to find it, but I
couldn't find it. 

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But I just remember, I remember 
reading all this stuff about, 

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like, what happens when two 
people are dancing together? 

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And like, obviously it goes back
to even, like, mating dances. 

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Yeah. 
But basically when you're 

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dancing with Someone, Like You 
are releasing the same chemicals

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that you released during 
childbirth and during during 

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sex. 
Oxytocin. 

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That's the hormone that bonds 
people. 

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I've heard that, and that's 
cool. 

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Like, I don't think we've really
talked much about dance. 

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No, that is a big part of 
romance. 

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I mean not all relationships but
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history. 
It's definitely a big part. 

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I mean, even at weddings they 
have the big deal about the 

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first dance, you know? 
I want to say my friend Emily's 

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wedding to Brian over the 
summer, their dance together was

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amazing. 
They had like actually seemingly

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learned how to do some kind of 
ballroom dance together and it 

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was like choreographed. 
I love that. 

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Then then they went into like a 
funny dance, but it was 

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choreographed too. 
And I was just so impressed and 

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I loved it. 
I was freaking out and I don't 

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know, that's all I have to say, 
but I just love to see people 

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dancing that actually like put 
the work in and yeah, can do it.

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I think that's actually like a 
wedding must. 

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Exactly. 
I agree. 

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Zach's sister did that too and 
his dad not together obviously. 

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They both got married last year.
They both his Zach's, my 

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boyfriend Zach, his sister got 
married and his dad also got 

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married last year. 
And they both respectively took 

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dance lessons, ballroom dance 
lessons. 

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And it made a huge difference. 
And also, I think it's a nice 

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thing if you're about to get 
married to bond with your 

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partner. 
It's super romantic, it's a nice

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hobby to do together. 
And plus you're like looking 

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into each other's eyes. 
It's super intimate. 

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And I think like with Dancing 
with the Stars, you know, as 

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mentioned, the contestants are 
in a super, super vulnerable 

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place because not only are they 
dancing, which they might not 

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have any experience, but they're
on live TV, which is 

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exhilarating. 
True. 

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And plus, week to week, I feel 
like they're always trying to 

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make them super. 
They're emotional and trying to 

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dredge up. 
Feel. 

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How do they do? 
That about things like they'll 

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have like themes per week and 
they'll be like, what got you 

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into this mindset? 
Or like pick someone that is 

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your hero. 
So then you'll be talking about 

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like your dad who passed away. 
Yeah. 

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Literally. 
Your grandma. 

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So then bring their packages. 
They'll have to like discuss it 

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with their dance partner, these 
really intimate details and talk

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about their family and open up 
about their emotions. 

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So they're really trying to get 
them emotional. 

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Yeah, you're literally like 
letting it all out on the show. 

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And they work like crazy. 
I came across this article. 

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It's about the Bachelor, but it 
kind of connects. 

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It's called This is The 
Bachelorette's scientific 

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formula to make couples fall in 
love. 

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And basically it's written by 
this writer named Marika Casa 

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Mariska. 
And she explains how on The 

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Bachelorette, the contestants go
on many high intensity dates 

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like skydiving or bungee 
jumping. 

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And that releases adrenaline 
that mimics the feeling of 

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falling in love. 
And she quotes this psychologist

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named Doctor Diana Kirschner, 
who says if a person is 

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frightened and literally 
clinging to a protector a night,

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they actually have the 
experience of being saved by 

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this person. 
Certainly it's not going to make

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for lasting love, which is a 
whole other ball of wax, but at 

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the moment you are bonded 
together and we'll associate a 

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scary turned pleasurable high 
and relief and excitement with 

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the other person. 
And I feel like that can 

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definitely apply in this 
situation. 

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Although I guess the question 
is, is dancing? 

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Can that create everlasting 
love? 

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I don't know. 
Guess we'll find out. 

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Anyway, so who are we talking 
about? 

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South Sasha Farber. 
His real name is actually 

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Alexander. 
He was born. 

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He's Russian. 
He's Russian. 

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Yeah. 
He was born May 9th, 1984 in 

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Belarus, Soviet Union. 
But when he was just two years 

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old, his family moved to 
Australia to escape the 

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Chernobyl nuclear disaster. 
Oh. 

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My God, sorry, I guess I should 
say Bella Russian. 

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Yes, I think he refers to 
himself as Russian so or least 

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he did move to Australia when he
was super super young. 

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So does he have an Australian 
accent? 

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Kind of, yeah, I I would say so.
His dad is Michael, his mom is 

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Bella, and he has a younger 
sister. 

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I don't. 
Mike and Bella name. 

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Yeah. 
Oh, what Twilight? 

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Yeah, I don't know, just another
Twilight reference. 

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Yeah, I don't know what his 
parents, Bella. 

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Ended up with Mike. 
I know I'm not sure what his 

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parents did for work, but they 
lived in a predominantly Eastern

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European suburb of Sydney and 
apparently he was inspired to 

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begin dance lessons in order to 
prepare for his bar mitzvah and 

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thought it would be a good way 
to meet girls as a 13 year old 

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boy. 
So he started taking ball. 

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I know so cute. 
He started taking ballroom 

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classes under the supervision of
a Russian dance teacher named 

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Marta Khan and what has been 
described as a very Russian 

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learning environment with very 
rigorous and strict training. 

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So a lot of the, not a lot of 
them, but on Dancing with the 

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Stars, there's like this class 
of professional dancers that 

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come from Eastern Europe or some
professional dancers that come 

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from Utah randomly, but a lot of
one of them come from the same 

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dancing schools. 
That is random. 

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Well, Russia has like the best 
ballet, true. 

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And the best ballet house. 
Yeah. 

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They their dancing methods are, 
I mean, they're probably not 

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like the most ethical all the 
times with the instructors, but 

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they do make for great dancers. 
Yeah. 

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And gymnasts, Yeah, yeah, they 
are strict. 

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Anything with leotards, they're.
Really good. 

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Yeah. 
Oh yeah. 

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Skating too, right? 
Oh yeah. 

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But yeah, so when he was 17, 
Sasha won the Australian Latin 

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Youth Championship and was the 
Australian dancer at the World 

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Latin Championship and also 
danced in the Olympic closing 

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ceremony. 
So wow. 

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He is making his way up. 
When he was 21, he joined the 

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Australian version of Dancing 
with the Stars as a professional

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dancer. 
And then then in 2011, he moved 

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to the US where he began as a 
troop member on Dancing with the

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Stars. 
So basically like they have a 

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troop where you're not like 
partnered with, with a 

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celebrity, but you still dance 
and group dances. 

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And then in 2013, he was 
promoted to a full time cast 

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member. 
Nice. 

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And while he was on Dancing With
the Stars, Sasha began dating 

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fellow professional dancer Emma 
Slater. 

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They dated for about four years 
and then in 2016, after 

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performing a very romantic 
routine together, he actually 

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got down on one knee and 
proposed to her live on. 

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The air. 
Oh my gosh. 

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Wow. 
So they're both dancers on the 

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show. 
Yes, yeah, they both are. 

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So they got married in 2018 and 
they even shared I think 2 dogs 

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together. 
However, they separated in 2022 

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after four years of marriage and
after about two years later 

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after separating, they 
officially got divorced in May 

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2024. 
So only just last year. 

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But their divorce has seemed 
super amicable and they seems 

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very friendly, like they both 
still work on the show as 

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professional dancers. 
In in August 2023, Emma went on 

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the Nick Vile podcast and she 
claimed that they are still a 

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family, but explained that they 
both were just in two different 

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places and couldn't agree when 
to have kids. 

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She said it's really the kid 
thing. 

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It's interesting because I do 
want to have kids. 

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I just don't want to delay 
Sasha's path in having kids 

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because I know that he is ready 
for that. 

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I don't want to talk about him 
too much because that's really 

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for him to say. 
But it's about kids, she added. 

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So that's been the real friction
and a real hard part. 

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It had nothing to do with him. 
He's always been very much 

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himself. 
It's me that's found it 

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difficult to understand why I'm 
feeling different. 

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How old are they? 
He is in his later 30s and so is

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she actually, which I don't want
to say I don't believe. 

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Like this has come up a couple 
times in the podcast and. 

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This is a weird time. 
I think this. 

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Is yeah. 
Feel like she's keeping. 

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Track. 
Yeah, I was thinking about it. 

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I don't know. 
I don't know. 

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It's just kind of interesting 
because I feel like when wanting

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to be sensitive to everyone's 
situations, but it makes more 

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sense to me when the genders are
reversed in this situation. 

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If a woman is like, I want to 
have kids now, and a guy's like,

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I'm not sure. 
But like, in this situation, 

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well, they broke up like four 
years ago and he still doesn't 

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have kids, you know? 
Yeah, it's just a huge gamble 

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that if she wants to have kids, 
too, what's 4 years? 

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But I don't know. 
It's not really my place to say.

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Yeah, 'cause at least like when 
Ian Somerhalder supposedly broke

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up and Nina Debrev about one 
kids, he very instantly got 

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married and had kids. 
And also they were in different 

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age groups, whereas Sasha and 
Emma are very close in age. 

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And now Sasha is dating Jen 
Tran, supposedly, who's in her 

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20s. 
I think she's 26 or 27. 

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So it's kind of interesting. 
Yeah, I know we we do hear that 

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explanation a lot. 
Yeah, I think you're right here.

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Like the Ian Somerhalder thing, 
maybe it was true. 

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But yeah, it's just a little 
weird. 

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It is interesting. 
Reason. 

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That she's very adamant about 
that fact the she's. 

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Very. 
She's very open about it and I 

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will say, like I said, they seem
very close still, but like not 

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in even like a suspicious way. 
They really do come across like 

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good old friends and Co workers.
It's just so crazy to me, like 

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for me personally to wrap my 
brain around because I'm just 

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not like that. 
I am not good with 

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compartmentalizing and being 
mature in that way. 

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They were together for over 10 
years. 

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They shared a home, they shared 
two dogs together, and now 

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they're just like, totally 
pleasant, it seems. 

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I don't know, maybe they both 
have, like, the dream job for 

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ballroom dancers. 
So they're like, just willing to

457
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,680
rise above it. 
But it's interesting. 

458
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,320
Maybe they're just putting on a 
happy face. 

459
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,640
Maybe it's not as perfect as we 
think. 

460
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,120
Yeah, I do wonder this again me 
speculating, but I wonder if 

461
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,240
Emma broke Sasha's heart a 
little bit because she seems to 

462
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,760
go out of her way to praise him 
and often makes really nice 

463
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,720
comments in on his Instagram 
post. 

464
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,360
For example, this past October 
someone made a TikTok video 

465
00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:26,440
about how they were just getting
into Dancing with the Stars for 

466
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,880
the first time and didn't 
understand why Sasha isn't one 

467
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,960
of the more notable dancers 
since he seems so nice and 

468
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:35,760
charismatic and just a really 
great guy. 

469
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,040
And Emma commented on the TikTok
and said no, you're right, he's 

470
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,000
amazing. 
So. 

471
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:44,040
That's that's. 
Weird, I know. 

472
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,520
That's very weird to me. 
Like it'd be so amazing. 

473
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,480
Why are you not together? 
But. 

474
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,320
Apparently, she's been This is 
like what the tabloids say. 

475
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,320
She's been hooking up with or 
dating a different professional 

476
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,280
dancer on the show named Alan 
Burns. 

477
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,840
What? 
What, Alan? 

478
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:10,120
I thought he was with somebody. 
How do you know that? 

479
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:15,600
I distantly know stuff about 
Dancing with the Stars. 

480
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,680
Well, Oh my gosh. 
But yeah, I know. 

481
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,200
It almost feels like a little 
condescending when people do 

482
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,640
that. 
I don't know, like he's this 

483
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,360
wounded puppy or something. 
He's amazing. 

484
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:27,520
I don't know, Yeah, he would 
kind of. 

485
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,560
I mean maybe he's all cool with 
it, but if my ex is doing that I

486
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:31,920
feel like I'd be a little 
annoyed. 

487
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,840
Yeah, it would be hard, yeah, 
But he does seem amazing. 

488
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,120
He strikes. 
These are some qualities I wrote

489
00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:43,320
down. 
He seems very professional, even

490
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:48,200
tempered, maybe a little saucy. 
He loves to take his shirt off a

491
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,520
lot. 
He like is, oh, ripping his 

492
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,560
shirt off. 
So maybe he's a little vain. 

493
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,920
I can see that. 
He's a dog lover. 

494
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,240
He seems kind. 
He seems disciplined, patient, 

495
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:06,120
mature, romantic. 
Oh my God, this keeps going. 

496
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:13,320
Wow, what a hunk. 
These are not things. 

497
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,280
These are not things that other 
people have said about him. 

498
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,320
This is what I. 
Think Oh my gosh. 

499
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,400
That that is like not debatable,
but anyways. 

500
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,880
So, Jacob. 
Who is Jen Tran by the way? 

501
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,720
She is Jen with two NS. 
Uh huh, we have a cousin like 

502
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,160
that. 
Is that her Hi Jen, full first 

503
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,960
name or is it like Jennifer? 
Oh, it is Jennifer. 

504
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,800
OK, another Jennifer. 
Yeah. 

505
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,560
Wow, so many. 
Yeah, that's like 5 now, right? 

506
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,880
Yeah, we've done. 
Jennifer Aniston, Jennifer 

507
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,760
Lopez, Jennifer Gardner, 
Jennifer Lawrence. 

508
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,600
No Jennifer Tran. 
Yeah, wow. 

509
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,320
Oh my gosh. 
I feel like we're forgetting one

510
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:04,160
too, but she was born November 
24th, 1997 in Hillsdale, NJ. 

511
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,040
Her parents immigrated to the US
from Vietnam with her older 

512
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,560
brother when she actually before
she was born. 

513
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,640
I'm not sure what her parents 
did for work, but unfortunately 

514
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,040
they had a really tough 
marriage. 

515
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,360
Her dad lived in the basement of
their New Jersey home for almost

516
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,360
six years until they officially 
got divorced in 2014 when Jen 

517
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,320
was 16 on The Bachelor, she she 
said. 

518
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,600
I always felt so unwanted by my 
dad, just like the whole family 

519
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,000
situation growing up, I never 
felt truly loved. 

520
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,240
She attended public public 
school in New Jersey where she 

521
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,200
played lacrosse in basketball, 
and then she did two years at 

522
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,000
the University of Pittsburgh 
before transferring to the 

523
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,200
University of Wisconsin, 
Madison, where she was a 

524
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,840
sorority girl. 
Meanwhile, at some point, her 

525
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,680
mom regular. 
I know. 

526
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,200
Well, she is. 
She is just a regular girl. 

527
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,680
At some point, her mom relocated
to Boston too. 

528
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,920
So she's kind of like a Boston 
girl. 

529
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,120
Then after graduating, she lived
in Miami and attended Berry 

530
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,600
University to become a physician
assistant. 

531
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,880
And while in school, a casting 
director found Jen's TikTok, 

532
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:14,240
where she would post stuff like 
a day in the Life as APA school 

533
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,280
student or just talk about being
in PA school. 

534
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,920
And the casting director reached
out and encouraged her to 

535
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:25,160
interview for the show and at, 
yeah, The Bachelor. 

536
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,760
At first, she was really 
hesitant because she was almost 

537
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,240
done with school, but she did 
the interview just to see what 

538
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,800
would happen. 
Almost not as a joke, but just, 

539
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,280
you know, why not? 
We'll see where where it goes. 

540
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,400
And she was really on the fence 
the whole time, leaning towards 

541
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,520
no. 
But then the producers offered 

542
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:47,200
her a contract the same week 
that she describes what was a 

543
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,440
bad boating accident that she 
had gotten into where she was 

544
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,680
just a split second away from 
dying. 

545
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,080
I don't, I forget what happened.
Like they hit something and she 

546
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,360
moved at just the right time. 
And she would have like, I don't

547
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,800
know if I should have written it
down, whether she would have hit

548
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,320
the rocks or something. 
But it was like a very lucky 

549
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,000
circumstance that she didn't get
injured. 

550
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:15,440
And that made her realize that 
life is short and she wasn't in 

551
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,440
a relationship, wasn't dating 
anyone. 

552
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,680
That was a point of her life 
that had been kind of stagnant. 

553
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,760
So she was like, fuck it, I'm 
going to go on the show. 

554
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,800
And she, I feel like that kind 
of describes her. 

555
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,760
She seems like someone who does 
just, like seize opportunities 

556
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,160
as they come to her. 
And so she was cast as a 

557
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,520
contestant on Joey Grazaday's 
season of the show. 

558
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,400
And I wrote in my notes, asked 
Caitlin what Jen was like on 

559
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,920
Joey's season. 
Because I like I said, I don't 

560
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,880
watch it, but I know Caitlin, 
you watched Joey season of The 

561
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,880
Bachelor. 
Yes, so well I've been watching 

562
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:56,440
the Bachelor on and off for 
about 10 years, maybe more, and 

563
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,160
I used to be more consistent 
with it, but now I just watch a 

564
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,840
season here and there whenever I
see that people are really 

565
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,880
hyping up a one of the suitors, 
not the suitors like the main. 

566
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,920
Person. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

567
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,560
Like, I don't there's like a 
name. 

568
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,880
The lead, The lead. 
Yeah, the lead. 

569
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,840
And so I did TuneIn for Joey 
season, even though I didn't 

570
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,600
watch the season that he was on.
And Jen, she's very sweet. 

571
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,360
She's very nice. 
She kind of seems to be have a 

572
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,600
little bit of a bubbly 
personality. 

573
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,200
That's what I got. 
And she made it really far into 

574
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,280
the season. 
But she didn't have as much 

575
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,160
screen time, I would say, as 
many of the other contestants. 

576
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,240
I feel like you didn't get a 
whole lot of her slash, her 

577
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,160
personality. 
You didn't really get to know 

578
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,560
too much. 
She would have those dates, you 

579
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,920
know, one on ones and group 
dates and to be really sweet and

580
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,280
it seems like she had good 
chemistry with the lead Joey. 

581
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,280
But it was very obvious from 
early on that there was like 2 

582
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,240
front runners, kind of three 
front runners. 

583
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,200
And so when it was the final 
four, Jen was obviously kind of 

584
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:09,280
behind those other girls. 
So Jen was nice and she was 

585
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,800
sweet, and it's obvious why Joey
would have her in the final 

586
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,800
four, which I think is as far as
she got. 

587
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,600
Or maybe she got third, but it 
was obvious. 

588
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,320
I think that also she wasn't his
closest connection. 

589
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,800
But I understood why he would 
drag her along because obviously

590
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,200
she seems like a good time. 
Like she seems really friendly, 

591
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:28,920
very fun. 
But again, you didn't like get a

592
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,000
whole lot to her. 
Yeah, he was into her as a 

593
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,040
person, but not yeah, they 
didn't exactly real a connection

594
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,760
or chemistry. 
Yeah, yeah. 

595
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,320
Did she say she was falling in 
love with him? 

596
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,600
It seemed like she was. 
I mean, everybody seems like 

597
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,520
they were like every season, 
they're always falling in love 

598
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,280
with the lead. 
And it seems like she did really

599
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,760
like him, but I don't think it 
was really truly like deep love 

600
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,880
or anything like that. 
I think there was the potential 

601
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,720
there. 
And it was definitely like a 

602
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,040
crush of sorts or really 
infatuation. 

603
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,360
I have a question, I don't know 
if either of you would know 

604
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:09,080
this, but when the casting and 
they're casting the contestants 

605
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:10,560
for the bachelor or The 
Bachelorette. 

606
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,280
So they tell them who the 
bachelor slash Bachelorette is 

607
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,679
going to be and show a picture 
because like, what if they're 

608
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,239
just not your type? 
That happens. 

609
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:24,920
So a lot of the time they're 
casting, they have a few leads 

610
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,560
in mind. 
By the time they have all the 

611
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,199
people chosen, they know who the
lead is going to be and they 

612
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:34,679
tell them. 
And maybe some people drop out 

613
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:39,120
because they don't really 
necessarily like them, but a lot

614
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,280
of the times people will go on 
this show and even still admit, 

615
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,719
oh, I wanted it to be this 
person who is the leader. 

616
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:50,360
I mean, everybody's attractive, 
but I imagine some people show 

617
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,760
up and then they realize like. 
Well, this actually happened to 

618
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,360
Jen, which we'll probably go 
into. 

619
00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:59,920
Yeah. 
So during Joey's season, from my

620
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:02,400
understanding, there was this 
contestant on the show named 

621
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,280
Maria who was really popular. 
She loved Maria. 

622
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,400
Yeah, everybody apparently loved
Maria, men and women alike. 

623
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,120
Like, she was very funny. 
She just, like, didn't really 

624
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,480
fit into a box. 
Seems like. 

625
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,360
She was, like, really confident.
And when Joey actually ended it 

626
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,960
with her, she was like, OK and 
just, like, went into the limo. 

627
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,640
She knew her work. 
It seems very striking. 

628
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:29,560
Eyebrows too, and I think 
everyone thought that she was 

629
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,440
going to be the next. 
One, they thought it was going 

630
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,040
to be either her or another 
girl, like they were shoe wins, 

631
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,240
Daisy that was going to be Maria
or Daisy, and they were like 

632
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:41,000
shoe wins to be The 
Bachelorette. 

633
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,880
So a lot of people purposefully 
signed up to be on The 

634
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,400
Bachelorette as contestants 
purposefully for either Daisy or

635
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,760
Maria. 
And then I think they both 

636
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,160
turned it down. 
And so then Jen was cast as The 

637
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,720
Bachelorette. 
And I think a lot of the people 

638
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:01,120
who had applied were like, sure,
we'll still go on it. 

639
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,480
And Jen was announced on March 
25th, 2024. 

640
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,600
So this is only last year, not 
even a year ago. 

641
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,080
And she would become the first 
Asian American woman in the lead

642
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,200
role in the franchise history. 
So filming filming began on 

643
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,680
March 28th, 2024. 
And in that time, Jen weeded 

644
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,120
through 25 different men until 
descending on one and getting 

645
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,720
engaged on May 26th. 
So literally less than two 

646
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:30,760
months after filming began, she 
gets engaged. 

647
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,760
I know crazy so fast. 
I feel like they have a very 

648
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,760
like expedited production 
process too. 

649
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,400
That's a, that's a show. 
You really cannot, you know, 

650
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,760
with Survivor going from 49 days
to 26, you cannot do that with 

651
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,440
The Bachelor. 
Well, they tried to do that 

652
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,520
would be awful. 
They they did. 

653
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,360
They had a show, I think it was 
called The Proposal. 

654
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,800
I watched it. 
It was only one season and you 

655
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:08,440
got engaged in one night. 
Oh gosh, that's ridiculous. 

656
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:12,760
So stupid. 
That should honestly, that 

657
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,440
should be considered fraud at 
that point. 

658
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,440
What do people think marriage 
is? 

659
00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:22,200
What the heck is this? 
I think people are just so 

660
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,280
desperate for love. 
I don't know. 

661
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,640
I don't know. 
So the man she chose was named 

662
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,240
Devin Stratter or straighter, 
and he was described as a very 

663
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:36,400
hard working 28 year old 
business owner and they were 

664
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,960
secretly engaged for a couple 
months after filming. 

665
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:45,040
However, during the finale in 
September of 2024, the producers

666
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,920
made Jen tearfully reveal to the
live audience that Devin had 

667
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,360
pulled away after the filming 
had wrapped and that he told her

668
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,240
that he didn't love her anymore 
and he regretted ever getting 

669
00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:57,760
engaged and called off their 
engagement. 

670
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,960
Oh my gosh. 
And after this, right after 

671
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:06,360
this, the producers made Jen 
reunite with Devin and watch 

672
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,880
their proposal back together. 
Oh my goodness. 

673
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:15,000
And this poor girl, this poor 
girl looks absolutely 

674
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,960
distraught, like she's crying, 
she's heaving, like she can like

675
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:24,760
barely catch her breath. 
And when she confronted Devin, 

676
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,560
she talked about how phony he 
was on the show and about how 

677
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,640
immediately after breaking up 
with her, he then was clubbing 

678
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,320
with that girl Maria from. 
Oh my God. 

679
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,120
The season, the one that 
everyone thought was going to be

680
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:47,160
The Bachelorette. 
Isn't it also especially dubious

681
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,920
or something? 
Well, not dubious, but crazy 

682
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:55,040
because normally even on The 
Bachelorette seasons, the man 

683
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,200
still proposes to the woman, but
on this season she proposed to 

684
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,600
him. 
Oh I didn't realize that. 

685
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,520
I thought she just picked him 
and he proposed. 

686
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,920
No, she proposed to him. 
Hmm. 

687
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,560
I know, I know. 
It's like all power to women 

688
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,840
feminism. 
Like, yeah, do whatever you 

689
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,160
want. 
I think that's great if a woman 

690
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:21,240
proposes to men and, you know, 
stereotypes are stupid. 

691
00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:24,040
But I don't know if for some 
reason that seems sad to me. 

692
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:25,920
I would never. 
Be a it's like, it's in our, 

693
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:29,720
it's just like in our culture, 
at least for like heterosexual 

694
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,680
relationships. 
I don't know. 

695
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:36,880
I know it's probably stupid, but
it just doesn't feel right. 

696
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,240
Well. 
I think it would be one thing 

697
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:43,200
for him to propose and then turn
around and be like, actually, 

698
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,240
no. 
But it just seems like maybe she

699
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:48,360
proposed and he didn't want to 
say no. 

700
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,560
You know, probably, yeah, 'cause
it's which just makes it, yeah. 

701
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,360
It just makes it a whole other 
level. 

702
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,440
Yeah, I'm surprised they don't 
talk about it. 

703
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,440
I mean, maybe they do, but like,
they have opportunities to have 

704
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,560
these dates where they don't say
like, OK, like before the final 

705
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,320
rose ceremony. 
Hey, if I pick you, what do you 

706
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:12,400
want to happen, you know? 
Maybe they do talk about it. 

707
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:17,040
I just think it's so awful 
because here she is on this 

708
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,200
show. 
She had 25 men to go through. 

709
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:22,720
Like all these opportunities to 
weed down. 

710
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:25,560
She obviously rejects some 
really great guys because she 

711
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,480
has to pick one person. 
And the person she picks just 

712
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,760
kind of pulls away immediately. 
And it's like, you know, I 

713
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,680
didn't really want this. 
I didn't think I was going to 

714
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:36,040
win. 
And it's like, OK, if you 

715
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,080
weren't serious about it, back 
out on your own. 

716
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,360
Like maybe there was someone 
else to get picked. 

717
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,280
Because people are doing it for 
the wrong reasons, I think. 

718
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,480
That's what they always say on 
the show. 

719
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,240
Really. 
Yeah, people always get in 

720
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,440
fights because they're like, 
you're not here for the right 

721
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:57,840
reason. 
So do they not have to get 

722
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,720
engaged at the end? 
They can just pick? 

723
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,360
Why does it seem like they 
always get engaged? 

724
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,560
They don't have to, but a lot of
the times they do. 

725
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:10,040
I feel like, I don't know, I I 
haven't watched it enough. 

726
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,080
I feel like it used to, it 
didn't wasn't always the 

727
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,120
expectation, but now because it 
happens every season, people 

728
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,800
probably think like, oh gosh, 
there's something wrong if I 

729
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,720
don't get engaged by the end of 
the show. 

730
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,360
Everybody else does it. 
It's too fast. 

731
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,200
Way too fast. 
We just talked about this. 

732
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:34,240
I know, Golden Bachelor. 
It was later revealed that 

733
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:38,480
Devin's ex from 2017 had a 
restraining order against him 

734
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,240
and that he was previously 
arrested for violating the 

735
00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:45,320
restraining order and breaking 
into her home, posing questions 

736
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,640
how he even passed a background 
check to be on the show. 

737
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,000
So I do think she dodged a 
bullet even though it sucked in 

738
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,280
the moment. 
And I would describe her as 

739
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,360
having a very youthful goofy 
energy, which I think Caitlin 

740
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,320
kind of touched on this. 
I think it might make some 

741
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,400
people not take her as serious 
seriously, or maybe people tend 

742
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,640
to underestimate her. 
But she is very beautiful, very 

743
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,480
disciplined, motivated, 
spontaneous. 

744
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,880
She seems very resilient and 
positive, as Caitlin said, 

745
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,080
bubbly and cheerful. 
But I think you know very hard 

746
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:19,680
working too. 
Nice. 

747
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,960
But so anyways, where our story 
begins, really. 

748
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,840
That finale episode aired of The
Bachelorette and a lot of fans 

749
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,160
who had invested their energy 
into the show all season. 

750
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,520
We're pissed off. 
You know, you're watching every 

751
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,040
single week. 
You know, you're like, who's she

752
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:35,960
going to pick? 
Who's she going to pick? 

753
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,520
And then you see that it ends 
this way. 

754
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,040
You're you're like, what the 
fuck? 

755
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,000
You're so. 
Mad and they were disappointing.

756
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:46,880
So upset about how Jen's breakup
was handled by the producers and

757
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,080
how it wasn't delicate and she 
was forced to watch the 

758
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,600
proposal. 
So the producers are hearing 

759
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,080
this online, and they're like, 
yeah, this is really bad. 

760
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,760
And so after the finale, Jen 
Tran is crying in her dressing 

761
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:02,840
room, and ABC producers approach
her and tell her that she can be

762
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,520
on the next season of Dancing 
With the Stars if she can make 

763
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,440
it to the airport in 45 minutes.
Jesus. 

764
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:09,680
What? 
Yeah. 

765
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:12,280
I didn't really, it was that 
last minute. 

766
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,040
At this point, the upcoming 
season's cast has already been 

767
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,840
determined and all the other 
cast members are already on 

768
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,040
their way to New York to appear 
on Good Morning America the next

769
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,800
morning for the official 
announcement. 

770
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,640
So they say if you can, Yep, 
they say if you can make it to 

771
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,880
Good Morning America, you can be
on the season. 

772
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:37,080
So meanwhile, Sasha is at home, 
and he's feeling kind of bummed 

773
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,560
because he was told that he 
wouldn't have a partner this 

774
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,680
season, that and that he would 
just be on the troop. 

775
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,560
And there's just no one that was
a good fit for him, apparently. 

776
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,440
And then his phone rings and he 
receives a call from the 

777
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,080
executive producer who says, 
Sasha, you have a flight in 45 

778
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,560
minutes. 
I found you a partner. 

779
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:57,080
It's going to be Jen Tran. 
And you need to get to the 

780
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:01,040
airport right now. 
And he claims that he ran 

781
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,560
through the airport sweating, 
just barely made his flight. 

782
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,880
Like they apparently didn't even
have his ticket at first. 

783
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,240
Like he really just made it by 
like a minute to spare. 

784
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,480
Why do I lowkey have chills? 
I know. 

785
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,360
Crazy. 
And while sitting on the flight,

786
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,400
he receives a tap on his 
shoulder. 

787
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,480
And then Jen says Sasha. 
And he goes, Jen and they, 

788
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,080
that's how they met on the 
plane. 

789
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:31,320
Wow, that's so cute. 
So they took a red eye flight 

790
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,280
together, changed their clothes,
and then went straight to Good 

791
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,920
Morning America to announce that
they'd be on the show. 

792
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,400
Wow, I. 
Can't believe she went from 

793
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,600
crying in her dressing room. 
I can't believe she said yes. 

794
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,240
This is crazy. 
Yeah, the guy would be like, I 

795
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:51,280
need some time to my that's 
also. 

796
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,120
Crazy that you can go from a pro
one season, it's just being in 

797
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:59,120
the troop the next. 
I know, yeah, like a demotion, 

798
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,360
but I mean, it makes sense. 
Like if they don't just don't 

799
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,440
have the right amount of 
celebrities, I don't know what 

800
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,600
the ratio is for like men to 
women too. 

801
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:12,320
But like they promote some troop
members and and I think things 

802
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,880
kind of rotate. 
But that's what I mean though, 

803
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,560
about how she seems so 
spontaneous. 

804
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,480
Like here she is in PA school, 
like she's almost done with 

805
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:20,440
school. 
And then she gets this 

806
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,120
opportunity to go on the 
bachelor. 

807
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,240
She goes, then from there she 
gets the opportunity to go on 

808
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:27,760
The Bachelorette and she says, 
sure, I'll do it. 

809
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,640
And then from there, Dancing 
with the Stars. 

810
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,680
And this is all like in the span
of a year in her life. 

811
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,440
It's just so crazy. 
At first, it seems like they're 

812
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,880
just normal dance partners 
during the performance nights, a

813
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,320
contestant from Jen's 
Bachelorette season named 

814
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:48,120
Jonathan who had actually made 
it to the Top 3 when she was on 

815
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,560
the show. 
He attends the tapings or the 

816
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,080
live performances to show his 
support, and fans online are 

817
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,360
wondering if maybe she's dating 
Jonathan. 

818
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,240
Interesting. 
That's nice of him, yeah. 

819
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,080
Well, some people think maybe he
was clout chasing because, you 

820
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,120
know, they filmed him in the 
audience. 

821
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,920
Never mind, I'll take you back. 
Complete 180. 

822
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,240
At one point, Sasha and Jen are 
being interviewed on the red 

823
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:18,000
carpet with their arms around 
each other's shoulders, and the 

824
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,640
interviewer mentions that 
Jonathan recently revealed that 

825
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,200
if Jen asked him on a date, he 
would say yes. 

826
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,680
And then to that, Sasha 
gleefully says to Jen. 

827
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,520
There you go. 
Then Jen responds and says that 

828
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,800
Jonathan is a great friend 
friend and that he has been a 

829
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,040
great support system while she's
living in LA. 

830
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,640
Temporarily, she says, but that 
right now her heart is not up to

831
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,720
dating anyone. 
But she's excited to see where 

832
00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:44,360
the friendship might go. 
And at this time, there's 

833
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,200
actually a different showmance 
on the show happening between 

834
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:52,600
model Brooks Nader and pro 
dancer Gleb Shavinko, and that's

835
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,800
getting most of the attention. 
But Brooks and Gleb, their 

836
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,400
showmance is coming across as 
super superficial and forced, 

837
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,240
and they're proving very 
unlikable with audiences. 

838
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:04,400
And they actually voted out in 
the third episode. 

839
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:08,000
Wow. 
That's kind of a showmance that 

840
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,040
it seems kind of obvious it's 
fake or maybe they really are 

841
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,200
hooking up, but they're really 
playing into it in a way that's 

842
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,880
not really connecting with 
people so. 

843
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,040
I was just people saw through 
it. 

844
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,920
Yeah, it does seem on the show 
that Jen is really busting her 

845
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,200
ass. 
She's really putting in a lot of

846
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,240
work and her dances are really 
good. 

847
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,000
And she's posting a lot on 
social media. 

848
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,840
On September 25th, she posted a 
TikTok of Sasha handing her 

849
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,760
flowers to congratulate her for 
a great performance. 

850
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,880
And when he hands them to her, 
he says, you deserve this baby. 

851
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,160
Is that just I know? 
Is that just like a cheeky 

852
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,240
phrase though? 
And then? 

853
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,520
Could. 
Be they're spending, they're 

854
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,960
spending a lot of time together.
October 18th, Sasha post a 

855
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,840
TikTok of him taking Jen to a 
Russian restaurant to get her to

856
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,920
try Russian food for the first 
time. 

857
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,000
Then October 23rd people online 
start to speculate that maybe 

858
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,040
something more is happening when
the cast is being interviewed 

859
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,760
and Sasha's hands are on Jen's 
hips. 

860
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,560
He pulls them away and then she 
turns around and grabs his hands

861
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,200
and puts them back on her hips. 
Whoa. 

862
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:27,160
On that on that same day, Jenner
field in an interview that she 

863
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,920
had to miss the Taylor Swift 
concert for rehearsals so that 

864
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,160
Sasha actually bought her 
tickets to go see Taylor Swift 

865
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,760
in Vancouver once the season is 
over. 

866
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,080
Wow, that's a big gift. 
I know that's expensive and also

867
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,440
probably hard to get. 
Yeah, it's very pricey and he 

868
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,600
bought a ticket for himself to 
go with her. 

869
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,160
Wow, so how much time has passed
so far? 

870
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:52,720
Like how long have they known 
each other? 

871
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,040
They've known each other now for
about a month. 

872
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,920
OK. 
So yeah, they keep in TikTok 

873
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,040
videos referring to each other 
at this point as honey and baby,

874
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,160
but it's unclear if it's just a 
playful banter. 

875
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,360
October 29th, Jen and Sasha are 
both eliminated from the 

876
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,040
competition and they're very 
bummed. 

877
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,960
Jen is interviewed and she says 
we spent the last seven weeks 

878
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,240
attached at the hip. 
I can't even imagine a life 

879
00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:22,200
without Sasha at this point. 
And I didn't even know him seven

880
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,120
weeks ago. 
And she seems very emotional. 

881
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:29,000
And it's a shame because they 
they really were great dancers 

882
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,360
on the show. 
They were one of the better 

883
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,280
duos. 
But I think because Joey, the 

884
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,360
former Bachelor was also on this
season, which is kind of funny 

885
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,360
because like, he's like her ex, 
but not really because, you 

886
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,480
know, he was dating many girls 
at once. 

887
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,320
But I think it's so weird. 
They were kind of splitting the 

888
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,880
votes with The Bachelor fans, 
so. 

889
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:52,880
Yeah, and even though it's 
unfortunate, he was definitely 

890
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,040
way more popular of Leeds than 
she was. 

891
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,040
Yeah, and he actually, he ended 
up winning the whole 

892
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,280
competition. 
Wow boiler. 

893
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,840
Yeah, like that's not one of 
those shows that people watch. 

894
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,080
I know, but maybe I'm wrong. 
And they already knew that, 

895
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,560
yeah. 
So when they were leaving, they 

896
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,840
were asked about dating rumors 
and that's the clip I have for 

897
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,320
you guys. 
We love seeing you guys online, 

898
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,840
cooking together, hanging out, 
going to tell us of concert. 

899
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,560
I didn't forget about that. 
Many are saying you said she 

900
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,000
just date and I'm here for her. 
You said she just date. 

901
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:28,640
What's up with that? 
How are we going to date? 

902
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:35,000
Take it away. 
Listen, I I live a very private 

903
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,560
life. 
I know where. 

904
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,680
You live. 
And I didn't want any of this to

905
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,640
be. 
I wanted her journey to be 

906
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,280
purely about dance. 
It wasn't about her showmanship.

907
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,840
Yeah, we have amazing chemistry.
And that's, you know, you could 

908
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,320
see that through our dancing. 
And I'm really proud of her. 

909
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,840
And yeah, that's. 
Yeah, so. 

910
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:57,480
We're shutting down those 
rumors. 

911
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,360
That's we're shutting it down. 
That's it. 

912
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,200
Yeah, we just shut those down. 
Yeah, we really shut those. 

913
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,920
They shut it down. 
Yeah, we shut down those rumors,

914
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:11,000
shut it down. 
But I feel like the way she said

915
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,440
it was kind of sarcastic, right?
A little bit because she was 

916
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:19,000
kind of making fun of him in a 
way, but it still was like, Oh 

917
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,440
no, we're not dating type, you 
know? 

918
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,720
Yeah, but after the show ends, 
they keep hanging out all the 

919
00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:28,560
time and they're constantly 
posting tick tocks at Sasha 

920
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,040
house dancing together and fans 
are to pick up on the fact that 

921
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,160
it it appears like Jen is 
actually staying at his house. 

922
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,320
Then on November 9th, they both 
attend the Wicked premiere and 

923
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,160
pose together on the red carpet 
and they are interviewed and 

924
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:43,800
once again asked if they are 
dating. 

925
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,560
And Jen smiles and says what? 
Then she looks at Sasha and says

926
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,680
honey, take it away. 
And he says we are just here to 

927
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,720
watch an amazing movie Wicked. 
And Jen laughs and says what 

928
00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:57,040
happened to the dancing? 
So I think like referencing that

929
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,360
interview you guys just watch, 
where he says it's just about 

930
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,680
the dancing. 
She keeps giving it to him to 

931
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,080
answer. 
Yeah, then on November 12th, 

932
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:11,360
someone commented on Jen's ex 
Devin, the one that dumped her, 

933
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:16,160
and they wrote Jen found a great
guy whose name is Sasha. 

934
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,320
And then Devin commented and 
said that's a girl's name. 

935
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:21,640
Oh. 
My God. 

936
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,000
Yeah. 
And actually did. 

937
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,520
This guy Devin is awful. 
I saw that just this week. 

938
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,280
He was at a club and he got 
bottle service. 

939
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,120
And you know the how the girls 
come out sometimes with a sign 

940
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,720
that like says something like 
usually it's like happy birthday

941
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:40,920
or something. 
I think the sign said, Jen, 

942
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,040
ain't it? 
Oh my. 

943
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,360
God and you talked to like so. 
Immature. 

944
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,160
Yeah. 
And he broke up with her. 

945
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:51,640
Like what the fuck? 
Well also I forgot to mention 

946
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,720
this before but when Oh he was 
seen clubbing with Maria or 

947
00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:59,040
something? 
Maria later posted that she 

948
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,880
didn't know him and yeah, didn't
want to be dragged into this. 

949
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,480
He hadn't been at the club with 
him. 

950
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,520
Like she doesn't really know who
he even is. 

951
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,840
Yeah, poor Maria. 
Really, that wasn't even true. 

952
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,920
No, but he was kind of like 
fueling that. 

953
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,200
Rumor. 
I do kind of get the vibe though

954
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:20,640
The Bachelor Nation or whatever 
is similar to Survivor. 

955
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,920
Like, you know, we're a little 
connected to the Survivor 

956
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,280
community now. 
I think we need to explain that 

957
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:26,920
to people. 
I don't think we've ever said 

958
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:31,320
that on the show. 
Yeah, their sister, my cousin 

959
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,880
Shannon, her boyfriend, was on 
the latest season of Survivor. 

960
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:39,120
Andy. 
Yeah, If anyone watched it, Andy

961
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,320
is kind of our brother-in-law. 
Yeah. 

962
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,120
And he was like the main 
character of the season. 

963
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,040
He was. 
The main character. 

964
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,320
Yeah, I wanted to bring this up 
and it has nothing to do with 

965
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,280
significant lovers. 
You know, he didn't get on the 

966
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,240
show because of us or anything. 
No, it's purely a coincidence. 

967
00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:01,440
But I wanted to bring it up 
because I feel like we had a 

968
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,880
weird experience recently where 
it felt like significant lovers 

969
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,480
happen to us or like to our 
family. 

970
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,840
Not really. 
But like people online were just

971
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:15,040
like talking about Shannon and 
piercing together stuff. 

972
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:19,320
Like someone made a post about 
Andy and his wife slash 

973
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:23,160
girlfriend on New Year's Eve and
it was a video of them kissing. 

974
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,240
And it was on Reddit and people 
in the comments were like he has

975
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:29,680
a girlfriend or he's married. 
And then someone responded and 

976
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,920
said like they live together in 
one video. 

977
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:36,280
She was in the background and 
she like people are like paying 

978
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,000
attention. 
Yeah, together in one video on 

979
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,160
her Instagram. 
Yeah, crazy. 

980
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:43,960
So. 
Weird. 

981
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:49,280
Like that's my sister. 
So now we've been victims to our

982
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:54,120
own, well, not us, Shannon, but 
so our own creepiness. 

983
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:58,360
Yeah, if we if we did an episode
on them, we would have a lot of 

984
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,160
inside information. 
Oh. 

985
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,160
We'd have way information. 
Would we? 

986
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,200
Yeah. 
I think we know some things that

987
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:12,920
we don't. 
Anyway, anyways but I kind of 

988
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:17,400
feel like the Bachelor Nation is
similar to the Survivor 

989
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,200
community that once you're on 
alum they all hang out together 

990
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,160
and like know each other and go 
to events together. 

991
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,400
I wonder if they have viewing 
parties the same way Survivor 

992
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,880
does. 
I think they do, maybe. 

993
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,160
Kind of seems like it. 
Probably. 

994
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:36,520
Devin made that comment, Sasha 
is a girl's name and then Sasha 

995
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:40,120
posted to his story and said the
name Sasha is short for 

996
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,600
Alexander and he added, you know
who else had that name? 

997
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,120
Alexander. 
The great Exclamation point. 

998
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,400
Exclamation point like my. 
Gosh. 

999
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,360
I know. 
Very wholesome. 

1000
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,440
I feel like he this is just kind
of like a little too immature 

1001
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,520
for him, all this Devin stuff. 
I know it's spelled differently,

1002
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:03,280
but Sasha Baron Cohen, yes. 
Our second Sasha. 

1003
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:09,160
So November 13th, Sasha actually
posted an Instagram of him and 

1004
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,920
Jen, making people question if 
this was a hard launch of their 

1005
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,680
relationship or if they're just 
trolling people who think 

1006
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,800
they're dating. 
And that's the first picture I 

1007
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,960
sent to you guys. 
OK, so. 

1008
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,680
I remember seeing. 
This like they're at the beach, 

1009
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:28,960
but they're in jackets and she 
has her arm around his neck, 

1010
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,480
arms around his neck and they're
smiling. 

1011
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,560
Oh, it looks like it's a selfie 
that he's taking. 

1012
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,480
They're both smiling a lot. 
And the caption is days like 

1013
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,840
this make everything better. 
He posted it. 

1014
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,400
Yes. 
Lots of exclamation mark. 

1015
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,160
I know what that's like. 
Four. 

1016
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,520
Wait one. 
Days like this make everything 

1017
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:54,080
better. 
That's cute. 

1018
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,440
That's really cute. 
And she's so cute. 

1019
00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:01,240
I know she's very beautiful. 
So then it's November 19th and 

1020
00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:04,360
Sasha choreographed an opening 
number for the Dancing with the 

1021
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,840
Stars episode and Jen posted a 
TikTok of the dance. 

1022
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,200
And there was this meme at this 
point going around on TikTok 

1023
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,440
that was like someone would 
write something on their screen 

1024
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,440
as if it was, let's say, they 
would show, like, just your 

1025
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:19,720
room. 
And then you would write 

1026
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,560
something on the screen that 
would say, as a veterinarian, I 

1027
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:27,800
think dogs need 10 treats a day.
And then it would, like, 

1028
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,320
accidentally flip, and you would
see that the dog was the one 

1029
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,280
writing it or something. 
Does that make sense? 

1030
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,320
Yes, I've OK, I know what you're
talking about. 

1031
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:36,920
Yes, Yeah. 
Yeah, it's kind of hard to 

1032
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,920
explain. 
It's like someone is trying to 

1033
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,320
anonymously post something as 
somebody else, but then it's 

1034
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,640
revealed because the camera 
flips. 

1035
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,960
That it's. 
Like I saw one that was Taylor 

1036
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,680
Lautner saying like I don't know
Edward Soxer, I forget what he 

1037
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,520
said, but then it showed that it
was him doing it exactly. 

1038
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:57,640
But he is posting it so you 
always know it's. 

1039
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,760
It's a joke, but the person, 
yeah, the the person acts 

1040
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,520
flustered, like, oh, sorry, I 
didn't mean to flip it around. 

1041
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,760
Like, and it was just a funny 
thing. 

1042
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,440
So she wrote on the screen, 
whoever choreographed this 

1043
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,480
opening is the hottest and most 
talented pro ever and should 

1044
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,400
still be dancing in the semi 
finals. 

1045
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,840
But then she flipped it around 
and it was her face, like 

1046
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,160
pretending to act like she 
didn't mean to write it, you 

1047
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,360
know? 
Yeah, that's hard to. 

1048
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,840
Sometimes those memes like that 
are really hard to. 

1049
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,840
I know you really have to 
explain them. 

1050
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:37,560
It's a good exercise. 
Yeah, I know it takes something 

1051
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,480
funny and makes it really not 
funny. 

1052
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:41,920
Literally. 
I know. 

1053
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:43,760
And I'm like darn, it seems kind
of stupid. 

1054
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,440
It is cute. 
Though but interesting she 

1055
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:52,120
called him hot and even though 
Jenna's voted off the show, she 

1056
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,560
still keeps attending all of the
live performances. 

1057
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,760
Nice. 
So it's November 24th, It's her 

1058
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:03,040
27th birthday. 
And later on, not that day but 

1059
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,760
later on, she posts a vlog of 
that day, which includes her 

1060
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:11,720
waking up to balloons all over 
the floor in Sasha's house, then

1061
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,840
up. 
Yeah, and his house. 

1062
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,760
Then she and Sasha go to the 
farmers markets together, and he

1063
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,480
buys her flowers before they go 
to the dance studio to rehearse 

1064
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,960
a dance for the finale. 
So even though she's voted out, 

1065
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:29,080
they make a return for the 
finale just for fun. 

1066
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:33,200
And in the vlog, there's 
actually a cute shot of a big 

1067
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,520
disco ball at the studio, and 
it's in the shape of a heart, 

1068
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,080
but it looks like there's a 
broken heart. 

1069
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,880
But then it's taped over. 
And then Jen points to it and 

1070
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,520
says that's mine, which I 
thought was cute. 

1071
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:49,440
Then November 26th, the day at 
the finale, Sasha posts another 

1072
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:53,320
sweet Instagram and again people
are like, wait, so is this 

1073
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,080
confirmation? 
Are they together? 

1074
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,240
And that's the second picture. 
I'm looking at it. 

1075
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,560
So she again has her hands 
around his neck. 

1076
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:05,360
And they're lean together. 
Their heads are together. 

1077
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,520
It's not, it's not a selfie. 
It's like a professional photo. 

1078
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:10,640
It kind of looks like a hotel 
room. 

1079
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,560
Yeah, they're posing in a hotel 
room. 

1080
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:17,160
Projector screen actually. 
Yeah, it kind of does the. 

1081
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,640
Closer I look. 
No, I think that's a shade. 

1082
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,680
It's a shade. 
Yes, never mind. 

1083
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:26,320
But they set up the phone to 
take the photo and they're away 

1084
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,720
from it, posing. 
Their faces are right next to 

1085
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,440
each other. 
Her torso is like faced towards 

1086
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,000
him. 
Yeah, well, the caption is can't

1087
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,280
believe it's the finale of 
Dancing With the Stars tonight. 

1088
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:38,960
Lots of exclamation points 
again. 

1089
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,640
I didn't win the mirror ball, 
but I still feel like I won. 

1090
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,200
Lots of exclamation points 
again. 

1091
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:50,800
I love his use of exclamation. 
And but that feels very 

1092
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,600
confirming. 
Yeah, yeah, I still feel like I 

1093
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,520
won, Yeah. 
And I think what's really 

1094
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,960
telling is that other 
professional dancers and 

1095
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,440
contestants on the show 
commented sharing their support,

1096
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:10,840
including from Sasha's ex-wife 
Emma, who comments she comments 

1097
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:15,080
3 blushing heart emojis and then
just writes love, period. 

1098
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,360
OK, that's kind of a weird 
comment, but. 

1099
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:24,640
They went to somebody. 
Ruby Rose, yes, Yeah, I forget 

1100
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,720
what it was. 
She commented something on her 

1101
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,320
ex's post in a new. 
Relationship. 

1102
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,480
I forget what to but it was kind
of odd. 

1103
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:38,400
It was odd because she was 
clearly, she was still clearly 

1104
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:43,440
like upset about the breakup. 
And I think, I think Jessica 

1105
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,320
responded. 
And didn't she say like I've 

1106
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,880
told you to stop contacting me? 
Oh. 

1107
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:53,360
My God, Yikes. 
Yeah, bad if he responded to us,

1108
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:58,000
told you to stop. 
Contacting me. 

1109
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:03,040
Oh my God. 
I mean, it's, I guess it's nice,

1110
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,320
but I don't know. 
It's just crazy because no 

1111
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:12,080
matter how civil you are in a 
relationship, what post of your 

1112
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:16,200
ex posting about their new 
relationship would ever have you

1113
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,200
going Flushing flushing face 
emoji? 

1114
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,120
Yeah, that's why I feel like 
there has to be something more 

1115
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,800
to the breakup because not to 
project we don't know these 

1116
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,680
people. 
Again, I hate to assume, but it 

1117
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,400
almost seems like she's 
overcompensating and it makes me

1118
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,520
wonder, like does she have some 
sense of guilt? 

1119
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:36,440
But she's, I think so. 
I hope you find. 

1120
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,400
Obviously it's nice to want your
ex to find. 

1121
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:41,320
Someone. 
To be happy, especially if you 

1122
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,280
broke up with them. 
But it just kind of feels maybe 

1123
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,880
she's like desperately wants him
to find happiness because she 

1124
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,440
feels bad about the way it 
ended. 

1125
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,400
That's like the only explanation
I feel like for the behaviour. 

1126
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,120
Yeah, they literally were 
together for 10 years. 

1127
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:00,640
Wow. 
Yeah, and they got married. 

1128
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:05,920
Married, he proposed on air on 
live television. 

1129
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,240
And they haven't even been 
divorced for that long. 

1130
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,880
No less than a year. 
Yeah, and less than a year 

1131
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,680
later, you're doing blushing 
face emojis on their new 

1132
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:19,480
partner's Instagram. 
Like, I don't know. 

1133
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:23,640
I mean, maybe she thinks because
at the same time they do work 

1134
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:28,120
together, maybe she thinks Jen 
would feel more comfortable if 

1135
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:32,720
she just was totally supportive 
outwardly, make it so there's no

1136
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,640
tension. 
But still, they just. 

1137
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:37,400
I feel like she's doing too 
much. 

1138
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:40,760
She seems like a very nice. 
I will say she seems very, very 

1139
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,160
nice. 
Like she is always paired with 

1140
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:47,240
the dancers who are old or the 
celebrities who are older and 

1141
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:50,440
don't go as far. 
And she seems so patient, so 

1142
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:51,320
kind. 
Yeah. 

1143
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,080
So she seems like a very nice 
woman. 

1144
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:58,960
Yeah, I'm sure she is. 
I think I'd be more concerned 

1145
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,360
with his ex being so supportive 
though. 

1146
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,720
Me too is if I don't know if she
like has to put her seal on it 

1147
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,800
or something. 
Yeah, she. 

1148
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,720
Has to comment. 
It's just it's not necessary to 

1149
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,200
comment. 
I could see liking it liking the

1150
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,200
poses. 
Yeah, exactly to comment is. 

1151
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:21,600
We're way in over in. 
But you know what, guys like it.

1152
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,480
It's not just about them. 
It's like a universal thing. 

1153
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,760
Yeah, yeah, this is. 
If this happened to you, how 

1154
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,320
would you? 
Making the personal universal. 

1155
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,640
Yeah, it's some yeah. 
Or would I do this? 

1156
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,080
I would hope not. 
I feel like I would. 

1157
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:41,080
Only do it if I would not. 
I feel like I would only do it 

1158
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:42,920
if I felt like I had something 
to prove. 

1159
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,320
Yeah. 
But anyways, in the finale, Jen 

1160
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:50,120
and Sasha did a very romantic 
steamy dance together alongside 

1161
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:55,160
the other showmance from the 
season, Gleb and Brooks, like 

1162
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:58,000
they each had their turn to 
dance and then at the end they 

1163
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,760
were all four on the stage 
together and they danced to the 

1164
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,600
song, reunited. 
And it feels so good. 

1165
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:08,880
And in the scenes, like behind 
the scenes footage from 

1166
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,760
rehearsals, there are shots of 
them holding hands before they 

1167
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:16,880
walk on stage. 
Then November 28th they spend 

1168
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,640
Thanksgiving together at Alfonso
Ribeiro's house and he's the 

1169
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:25,000
host of Dancing With the Stars, 
the Co host and you know, also 

1170
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,520
known as Carlton on Fresh Prince
of Bel Air. 

1171
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:32,120
He is apparently he every year. 
Apparently he hosts many of the 

1172
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:35,240
pros because they don't live 
near their family. 

1173
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:40,320
And among the guests were Sasha 
and Jen and also Sasha's ex-wife

1174
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,520
Emma. 
So they all spend Thanksgiving 

1175
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:43,440
together. 
Wow. 

1176
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:49,240
And then December 1st, Duma 
posted a blind item message that

1177
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,320
Sasha and Jen were spotted 
holding hands at the Grove in LA

1178
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,080
and that she kept calling him 
honey. 

1179
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:59,880
And then on December 4th, Jen 
posted a series of images to her

1180
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:03,840
Instagram of her and Sasha, and 
she had a very long caption. 

1181
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,720
But I'll read it for you guys, 
she said to my dance partner. 

1182
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:09,960
I can't believe that three 
months ago we didn't know each 

1183
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:11,840
other and that we almost didn't 
even meet. 

1184
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,760
I've always believed in fate, 
but meeting you at the airport 

1185
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,800
in one of my darkest hours, in 
rushing to Good Morning America 

1186
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,560
to start what would become the 
most unforgettable and surreal 

1187
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,880
dance journey together was truly
meant to be. 

1188
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:27,160
This experience has been one of 
a lifetime and truly something 

1189
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:28,600
I'll cherish for the rest of my 
life. 

1190
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:31,520
But my experience on Dancing 
with the Stars was only so 

1191
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:35,160
unbelievable because of you. 
Every day for the past three 

1192
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,960
months, I've had the biggest 
smile on my face, in my heart 

1193
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,160
because you've brought light 
back into my life. 

1194
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,720
When I thought that the clouds 
would be suffocating me. 

1195
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:46,920
September 4th was indescribable.
The pain I felt left to scar, 

1196
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:50,160
but you were the one who helped 
heal a wound you didn't make. 

1197
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:54,200
Thank you for being who you are 
and for pushing my limits day 

1198
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,240
after day. 
Thank you for choreographing 

1199
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,520
beautiful pieces for me and for 
putting up with me in all the 

1200
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,440
times I was down to myself. 
Dancing requires so much 

1201
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,320
confidence and self security 
that honestly I'm still working 

1202
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,240
through, but the comfort you 
exuded allowed me to break 

1203
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:10,080
barriers. 
I will miss driving to 

1204
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:12,800
rehearsals together every day, 
dancing in the living room and 

1205
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,440
performing with you. 
This experience has been the 

1206
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:19,280
most sensational, sensational, 
remarkable and life changing and

1207
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,320
I would do it with you 10 times 
over over again. 

1208
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,440
Because of you, I was able to 
find a love for dancing and now 

1209
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,360
I can't even imagine my life 
without you. 

1210
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:28,880
I'm so immensely grateful you'd 
come. 

1211
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,880
You came into my life and now 
will you please teach me how to 

1212
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:37,200
do an Argentine tango soon? 
Thank you XOXO, your forever 

1213
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:38,760
dance partner. 
Everything. 

1214
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,640
Everyone. 
Give Sasha his flowers. 

1215
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:46,800
Wow. 
Very sweet, but a dance partner,

1216
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,080
is that it? 
I know. 

1217
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:52,600
And then she said. 
Your forever dance partner. 

1218
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:56,880
Yeah, which is crazy 'cause it's
like she'd say my forever dance 

1219
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:58,800
partner, your forever dance 
partner. 

1220
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:02,920
But he's also on the show and he
probably has had multiple dance 

1221
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,160
partners before and he'll have 
multiple dance partners 

1222
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,600
afterwards. 
So being your forever dance 

1223
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:13,680
partner makes it seem like I'm 
like your dance partner in life 

1224
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:20,040
type of way, you know? 
Yeah, and he commented, he said,

1225
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:24,479
he said, oh, thank you. 
You blossomed into a beautiful 

1226
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,120
dancer. 
I hope we can remain friends and

1227
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:33,240
stay in contact. 
That's such a like yearbook 

1228
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,800
signing response. 
Do you stay in contact? 

1229
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:41,439
Yeah, I think the people were 
like, are they trolling us now? 

1230
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,399
What I. 
Hope that's just like it. 

1231
01:08:43,399 --> 01:08:46,359
It's a joke or he was just 
saying that's be funny, you 

1232
01:08:46,359 --> 01:08:49,120
know? 
Yeah, it was a joke because then

1233
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,000
she kept quoting that later on 
and saying I hope we can stay 

1234
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,760
friends in different posts 
still. 

1235
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,760
Oh my God, she wrote this whole 
romantic thing. 

1236
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:02,640
And maybe that's not the time to
make a joke, but maybe it is 

1237
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,040
because again, it's social media
like we don't need yeah, 

1238
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,920
monologue of telling us how your
relationship is. 

1239
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,399
But. 
Yeah, and I think what's telling

1240
01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:14,040
too is, like I said, the pros, 
the other pros on the show 

1241
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:17,960
commenting like Jenna Johnson 
commented, So sweet. 

1242
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,600
Love seeing you both so happy. 
So I feel like these are people 

1243
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,560
with inside information knowing 
whether they're dating or not, 

1244
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,960
you know? 
I'm I'm thrown off those. 

1245
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:30,080
I know, I know, I was too. 
That's what makes it compelling.

1246
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,279
That's what makes a really 
compelling ship. 

1247
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:36,279
December 5th, Jen had to 
overnight ship her passport from

1248
01:09:36,279 --> 01:09:39,240
Miami to LA so that she could 
fly to Canada for the Taylor 

1249
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,560
Swift concert. 
I think because she didn't know 

1250
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,200
she was still going to be in LA 
at this point. 

1251
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:49,160
But then days pass and it didn't
arrive on time, and she was The 

1252
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:52,720
passport was seemingly lost in 
transit, so she only had. 

1253
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,160
She. 
Only had one day to spare but 

1254
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:59,840
she had to actually go back to 
Boston or or go somewhere I 

1255
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:04,080
forget where she had to go. 
So she was out of town and she 

1256
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:07,400
only has one day to get her 
passport back which she has no 

1257
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:11,200
idea where it is. 
And long story store, she posted

1258
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:16,120
her stories that Sasha drives 
all over the city stopping 

1259
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:20,480
different UPS drivers to try to 
find her passport until he 

1260
01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:26,520
finally somehow finds it just as
Jen is returning to LA so that 

1261
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,600
they can fly out to Vancouver 
together for the concert. 

1262
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:33,000
He has so much confidence to be 
able to do that. 

1263
01:10:33,480 --> 01:10:36,440
Yeah, yeah. 
He's like driving. 

1264
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:38,600
Say like, excuse me. 
Yeah, look. 

1265
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:40,720
Through your van right now, 
yeah. 

1266
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:43,000
What? 
How do you even get permission 

1267
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:47,120
to do that? 
I know, but like, that's 

1268
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:49,720
something you do for someone you
really care about. 

1269
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,840
Yeah. 
True, it's very. 

1270
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,600
Heroic. 
So they fly to Vancouver 

1271
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,000
together. 
And I will say, you know, 

1272
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:00,960
relationships, are they PR, are 
they not? 

1273
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:06,600
Amazon does sponsor their trip 
as in they buy them clothes to 

1274
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:09,760
wear for the Taylor Swift 
concert and for the trip. 

1275
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,720
So throughout their trip to 
Canada, they're like posting 

1276
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:15,800
stories and being like, these 
are our outfits we're wearing 

1277
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:19,200
from Amazon. 
These are like our products, our

1278
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:21,200
travel products that we brought 
our bags. 

1279
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:25,120
So like there is some financial 
benefit to the relationship at 

1280
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,000
this point. 
Mm hmm. 

1281
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:30,880
But so many couples also do 
that, so I'm not gonna totally 

1282
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:34,480
negate them. 
Real life couples, they just get

1283
01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:36,320
sponsored and they do these 
things. 

1284
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:41,280
So it could be APR look, but 
it's so commonplace in today's 

1285
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:47,200
social media landscape that. 
Yeah, I mean, it's not a. 

1286
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:50,480
Total red flag to me at least. 
Yeah, like is a question is a 

1287
01:11:50,480 --> 01:11:54,760
relationship fake just because 
there is some financial gain 

1288
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:58,160
from it? 
And I was kind of this came up 

1289
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:02,320
with my boyfriend Zach, because 
this is such a much smaller 

1290
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:06,600
scale, like no one cares about 
us, but but we met on Hinge. 

1291
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,720
And so I have been saying like, 
oh, I should get Hinge to 

1292
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:13,840
sponsor our podcast so I can 
tell people how we met on Hinge.

1293
01:12:14,480 --> 01:12:17,880
And he was like, oh, yeah, you 
could be posting about it. 

1294
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,480
Like we could just like, you 
know, keep like flaunting about 

1295
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:24,160
our relationship and like, get 
sponsored, sponsored posts about

1296
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,520
us being in a relationship and 
motivate other people. 

1297
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,280
And I was like, yeah, but like, 
I don't know, that feels kind of

1298
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,520
icky. 
Then it's like, I'm kind of, you

1299
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:35,880
know, selling my relationship. 
And he was like, I don't care. 

1300
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:40,080
Like make money off of it, but. 
Yeah, I think it's fine. 

1301
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,680
Yeah. 
But basically it's like at what 

1302
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,680
point I feel like Kristen 
Stewart used to talk about this 

1303
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,440
with regards to like her 
relationship with Robert 

1304
01:12:48,440 --> 01:12:52,600
Pattinson saying it's, it starts
to feel kind of dirty when your 

1305
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:55,360
relationship becomes a product 
for people to buy. 

1306
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:58,280
Yeah, I I can see that. 
I know. 

1307
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:01,680
That's why I don't like 
different though. 

1308
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,880
Jennifer Lopez. 
And what's his name? 

1309
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:10,240
Yeah, yeah. 
Well, at least with that, they 

1310
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:14,240
really were selling the 
relationship partially with the 

1311
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,960
like the music and the movie 
documentary that they made. 

1312
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:22,800
But at least with Jen and Sasha,
I'm giving them so much benefit 

1313
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:25,600
of that. 
But they're selling other 

1314
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:29,200
products using their 
relationship, but they're not 

1315
01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:31,920
selling really their 
relationship. 

1316
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:35,840
They are somewhat because they 
also both started doing this 

1317
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:40,720
thing on social media where 
people have to pay for exclusive

1318
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:43,480
content. 
So it's basically like paywalled

1319
01:13:43,480 --> 01:13:47,440
stories and posts that they do. 
So like it's literally like 

1320
01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:49,200
having a Patreon but on your 
Instagram. 

1321
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,640
So people like pay to see their 
more like close friends stories 

1322
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,600
basically of the two of them 
together. 

1323
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:57,200
How does that work? 
Can people not screenshot or 

1324
01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:58,200
something? 
I think people. 

1325
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:01,640
Can so it's kind of silly, like 
I feel like I've seen all their 

1326
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:06,280
stories on TikTok. 
I've seen so many of Paul Wesley

1327
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:10,080
from The Vampire Diaries close 
friends reposted. 

1328
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:11,440
It really. 
Yeah. 

1329
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:14,160
Wow. 
I mean, it's kind of like even 

1330
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,840
like only Fans, I think people 
can repost, take a screenshot of

1331
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:21,400
something, but maybe people do 
it just to support. 

1332
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:26,600
But also at the same time, like 
yes, Sasha is on a big 

1333
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:30,960
television show, but I don't 
think the professional dancers 

1334
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,840
actually make that much on 
Dancing with the Stars. 

1335
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:38,200
I think it's only, I think 
that's around a couple $1000 per

1336
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:40,160
episode. 
And then they get more if they 

1337
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:44,240
make it further into the show, 
but they put in a lot of work 

1338
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:47,440
and the season is only it's only
one season a year. 

1339
01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:50,960
So if you're a professional 
dancer on Dancing with the 

1340
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:54,840
stars, you do have to kind of 
like do side hustles and figure 

1341
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:59,080
out a way to profit off of your 
celebrity in some way. 

1342
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:02,560
And like, I'm not sure what 
Jen's financial financial 

1343
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,680
situation is like a year, a 
little over a year ago, she was 

1344
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:08,720
just APA student. 
Like she probably she could have

1345
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,520
had debt for all we know. 
And then, yeah, she probably 

1346
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,280
gets paid to go on The Bachelor 
and then The Bachelorette, but 

1347
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:17,080
that can only go so far. 
So it's like you do have to kind

1348
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:19,880
of get your back. 
Yeah, I don't think that means 

1349
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,800
that they're not necessarily 
together. 

1350
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:27,440
Priyanka Chopra and Nick Jonas 
have had like a million 

1351
01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:32,040
sponsorships and stuff, which 
did make me question. 

1352
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,960
I honestly did question the 
validity of their relationship, 

1353
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:40,600
but I think they're real and. 
It's so normal and especially 

1354
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:44,800
since they are reality TV stars,
social media kind of goes hand 

1355
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:48,280
in hand with that. 
That's if they were totally 

1356
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:55,200
normal people and then started 
doing this randomly, it'd be. 

1357
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:57,000
Weird. 
How would they do that? 

1358
01:15:57,160 --> 01:16:00,320
I don't know, as I started 
telling this story, I was like, 

1359
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:07,200
why would they even do that 
based on their personalities? 

1360
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:12,320
I don't feel like they're the 
type to do that sort of thing. 

1361
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:15,600
I mean, maybe they would. 
Again, I don't know them, but 

1362
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:19,440
when there's people like, oh, 
some certain Youtubers like 

1363
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:23,640
Logan Paul or Jake Paul or 
Tanamogo or something, if they 

1364
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,320
were doing stuff like that, it's
like, OK, obviously they're just

1365
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:29,200
doing it for the cloud. 
Sure, the money is the benefit, 

1366
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:33,120
but I wouldn't say that's 
probably their only motivator. 

1367
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:37,680
Yeah, I think they, honestly, it
reminds me of when you're super 

1368
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:40,400
new in a relationship and you 
just can't get enough of that 

1369
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:42,280
person and you want to show them
off. 

1370
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:46,120
It does seem like they're just 
like so excited and caught up in

1371
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:49,160
it, which takes me to the next 
video. 

1372
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:51,560
This is not something that you 
guys, unfortunately, our 

1373
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:56,160
listeners can hear because it's 
not like talking, but they do a 

1374
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,760
dance while they're in 
Vancouver. 

1375
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:02,040
They had stopped people on the 
street and asked them to film 

1376
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:09,160
this for at TikTok or Instagram.
So that is the next clip. 

1377
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:15,200
That was cute though. 
That's so cute the. 

1378
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:23,600
Songs, lovers, very romantic. 
I took that to be like, OK, for 

1379
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,600
sure they're dating. 
And I think they are. 

1380
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:30,360
Because then on December 13th, 
Jen had a big birthday party in 

1381
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:34,160
LA. 
And it's very obvious at this 

1382
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,520
point. 
Sasha stands beside her when she

1383
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:41,920
blows out her candles, and 
there's just a lot of footage of

1384
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:46,840
him kissing her on the cheek, 
her playfully pretending to lick

1385
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:50,600
his face, and her sitting on his
lap. 

1386
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:55,800
Wow, Lap. 
And at this point, I feel like, 

1387
01:17:55,800 --> 01:18:00,400
OK, this guy doesn't have to be 
hanging around anymore if 

1388
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:02,000
nothing's going on, you know 
what I mean? 

1389
01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:05,360
I mean, the season's over. 
Yeah, same with her. 

1390
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:08,440
Yeah, yeah. 
And I don't know if their budget

1391
01:18:08,440 --> 01:18:10,760
is huge. 
I don't know what it is compared

1392
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:13,120
to Survivor, probably bigger. 
I mean they have celebrities and

1393
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:15,120
stuff. 
But so maybe I'm wrong. 

1394
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:18,960
But all I know is the Survivor 
thing and I know people online 

1395
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:22,240
have speculated if they like get
paid to hang out or something 

1396
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:25,600
but or they get told to, but 
they don't and we know that and 

1397
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:28,280
so that it is actually 
authentic. 

1398
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:33,840
So yeah, I I don't see why they 
would still be hanging out all 

1399
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:37,520
the time at this point. 
Yeah, and I mean, Jen had 

1400
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:40,600
probably spent time in LA when 
she was on The Bachelorette and 

1401
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:43,600
Bachelor, but she's not like a 
West Coast. 

1402
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,280
She doesn't live there, person. 
No, she doesn't. 

1403
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:47,920
She's lived on the East Coast 
her entire life. 

1404
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:51,320
So she's really uprooted her 
life and she's just staying with

1405
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:53,800
Sasha now, it seems. 
Yeah. 

1406
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:58,840
And also, I know they have a 
good social media following and 

1407
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:03,320
I know people are intrigued by 
them, but I don't think ABC 

1408
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:08,320
would be shilling out money to 
have Jen and Sasha, who didn't 

1409
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:11,680
even place that far into the 
show, just to hang out. 

1410
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:17,680
Yeah, I don't think so either. 
Then it's December 17th and Jen 

1411
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:20,320
is sitting next. 
Unless ABCI guess I will say, 

1412
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:26,040
unless ABC still felt really bad
about Jen getting dumped and 

1413
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:28,720
that season kind of being awash 
and the way they handled it. 

1414
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,440
And so they're like, please 
look, make it look like you're 

1415
01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:34,320
in a happy relationship so 
people realize it was meant to 

1416
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,960
be or something, or some people 
get over it. 

1417
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,680
I honestly don't think ABC cares
that much. 

1418
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:43,880
They constantly have wash 
seasons and they don't care 

1419
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:45,720
enough about those. 
Yeah. 

1420
01:19:46,440 --> 01:19:49,080
Yeah, maybe they're like, people
are not going to watch anymore 

1421
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:53,600
if they think that contestants 
don't find love, so let's add 

1422
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:54,880
this twist. 
I don't know. 

1423
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:57,600
But yeah, I agree. 
I don't think they care. 

1424
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:03,520
Yeah, I don't think of ABC as 
being like that sophisticated 

1425
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:06,480
with their programs. 
I'm thinking about like ABC 

1426
01:20:06,480 --> 01:20:08,240
Family as well. 
I don't know. 

1427
01:20:08,480 --> 01:20:12,200
No, I feel like ABC does not 
care enough. 

1428
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:14,840
They probably should. 
They should be doing these kinds

1429
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:18,800
of things, but they just don't. 
Because they have just like 

1430
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:21,720
another season around the corner
and people are going to watch. 

1431
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,080
The Bachelor has been on TV be 
forever. 

1432
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:30,320
So then it's December 17th and 
again, OK, I have to describe 

1433
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:35,080
one of these Internet things. 
Jen is sitting next to Sasha and

1434
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:38,880
we kind of talked about this, I 
think it was last episode, where

1435
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:44,360
she has one of those filters on 
her, on her forehead. 2nd. 

1436
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:48,320
Episode in a row, yeah. 
Kelly, this is what happens when

1437
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:52,360
you cover modern relationships. 
You have to describe like these 

1438
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:56,640
social media trends. 
And it says you will end 2024 

1439
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:59,960
dot dot dot and then it, you 
know, a fortune pops up of how 

1440
01:20:59,960 --> 01:21:05,440
you're going to end 2024 and it 
lands on pregnant. 

1441
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:10,840
And then Sasha looks at it and 
then perks up and raises his 

1442
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:13,720
eyebrows and starts smiling at 
Jen. 

1443
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:17,920
Oh my God. 
And then that's crazy. 

1444
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:22,800
She she captions the video. 
I've never seen my boss smile so

1445
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:24,440
big. 
So she they frequently. 

1446
01:21:24,440 --> 01:21:27,480
Refer us. 
Yeah, so they frequently also 

1447
01:21:27,480 --> 01:21:31,440
refer to each other on social 
media as he's her boss or their 

1448
01:21:31,440 --> 01:21:34,520
coworkers or their roommates. 
And I think it's kind of tongue 

1449
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:38,960
in cheek to pretend like they're
not dating when they are, you 

1450
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:42,440
know? 
I guess in a way on the show 

1451
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:46,520
he's sort of not was her boss, 
but he probably was bossing her 

1452
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:50,160
around. 
Yeah, he was in the power 

1453
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:51,800
position. 
Yeah. 

1454
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:54,600
Yeah, kind of. 
I mean at the end of. 

1455
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,480
This so weird. 
I can't imagine though like 

1456
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:02,040
being that aware of people's 
perception of your relationship,

1457
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:04,480
you know? 
Like I've had jokes with who I'm

1458
01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:08,000
dating and nicknames and stuff 
but it's not like for what 

1459
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:12,520
people think. 
Yeah, it's very like letting 

1460
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:13,840
people in. 
That's what I said. 

1461
01:22:14,040 --> 01:22:17,000
Why I said the thing about like,
is it PR at this point? 

1462
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:20,400
Because it is a lot. 
There is stuff like every day. 

1463
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:24,840
So they do. 
And 2024 continuing to post each

1464
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:28,000
other all the time. 
They do more cute dances. 

1465
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:31,600
They wear matching Grinch 
costumes because his dog's name 

1466
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:34,800
is Grinch. 
She even refers to herself as 

1467
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:40,680
the mommy of Sasha's dogs. 
They attend a gala together. 

1468
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:44,400
It's a gala for Asian and 
Pacific entertainers in media 

1469
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:48,440
and they pose on the red carpet.
Sasha then takes solo pictures 

1470
01:22:48,440 --> 01:22:50,640
of Jen. 
He looks really proud of her. 

1471
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:54,480
They go to the farmers market 
together every weekend. 

1472
01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:59,520
They go on hikes together and it
just seems like they're together

1473
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,360
all the time. 
It was just funny because those 

1474
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:05,280
dogs already have a mom in a 
way, you know? 

1475
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:08,080
I know. 
They used to. 

1476
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:10,440
Used to? 
What do you mean? 

1477
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:12,160
I thought they were Co 
parenting. 

1478
01:23:12,440 --> 01:23:15,800
I don't know if they share 
custody, Mel say. 

1479
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,880
That, or you just know that. 
No, Mel said that they were Co 

1480
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:22,280
parenting or they they were 
still family is. 

1481
01:23:22,440 --> 01:23:23,800
What? 
That's what she. 

1482
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:26,480
Said. 
She said we're still a family 

1483
01:23:26,480 --> 01:23:30,880
but I don't know if they Co 
parent the dogs and I. 

1484
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:34,080
Will say from that statement 
that they were Co parenting the 

1485
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:39,160
dogs and that's why I thought it
was OK that maybe well not OK. 

1486
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:43,120
I did have a few comments but I 
thought it was more reasonable 

1487
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:47,080
that she was so still a presence
in their life because you would 

1488
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:51,880
probably have to see his ex from
their Co parenting of the dogs. 

1489
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:55,720
But if that's not the case at 
all, then that's even stranger. 

1490
01:23:55,840 --> 01:24:00,840
Yeah, I think in general it's a 
bad idea to Co parent dogs. 

1491
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:04,480
If you break up, which I think I
know it's devastating. 

1492
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:07,840
And I I could, I never want to 
be in that situation where you 

1493
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:10,080
go through a breakup and you 
have to think, Oh my God, I 

1494
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:13,960
might never see my dog again. 
I would be absolutely crushed. 

1495
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:16,240
But I just don't think it's a 
good idea. 

1496
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:21,800
Yeah, how could you move on from
the relationship if you still 

1497
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:26,680
have to see your ex? 
Every week, yeah, yeah. 

1498
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:30,160
I mean, people have to do that 
with kids, but I yeah, I feel 

1499
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:32,760
like the dog will be OK with 
just one parent. 

1500
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:35,920
Yeah, the dog will be OK. 
It's sad. 

1501
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:39,400
I mean, you could maybe watch 
your dog if this happens to one 

1502
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:43,000
of you guys. 
I hope it doesn't if the person 

1503
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,760
goes away on vacation and watch 
the dog here and there. 

1504
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:48,320
But I don't know. 
I just, I think it's an 

1505
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:51,960
unfortunate thing. 
But anyways, Jen and Sasha spend

1506
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:55,120
Christmas apart with Jen flying 
to Boston to be with her mom. 

1507
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:58,040
But then she flies right back to
LA to spend New Year's Eve with 

1508
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:01,400
Sasha. 
And they ended the year doing a 

1509
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:03,800
really cute dance. 
So that's the final clip I want 

1510
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:06,440
to show you guys. 
Do you mean just a few days? 

1511
01:25:06,440 --> 01:25:07,800
Ago, yes. 
Oh. 

1512
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:11,840
My gosh, it's crazy. 
OK. 

1513
01:25:23,980 --> 01:25:31,380
You say there's so much you 
don't know, you need to go and 

1514
01:25:31,380 --> 01:25:38,300
find yourself. 
You say you'd rather be alone. 

1515
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:49,840
Because you think you won't find
it tied to someone else who said

1516
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:55,920
it's true that the growing only 
happens on your own? 

1517
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:05,680
They don't know me and you. 
This is a nice house, it's got 

1518
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:07,520
to say that. 
Whose house is this? 

1519
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:10,560
I think it's his huge. 
That was sweet. 

1520
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:13,600
Why didn't he just go on his 
laptop at the end? 

1521
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:15,960
Wait, I think I missed that 
part. 

1522
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:20,560
Yeah, he just goes back onto his
laptop or tablet or something. 

1523
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,640
So basically for the listeners, 
because they don't know what 

1524
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:30,200
video is, it's a it's a wide 
angle very far away in Sasha's 

1525
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:33,360
house. 
I guess it's very modern and 

1526
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:37,240
spacious, but like wooden, well,
white ceilings and white walls 

1527
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:40,200
were like some wooden beams and 
wooden floor and they're dancing

1528
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:43,920
together and. 
It's a great dance they they 

1529
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:47,600
dance well together. 
Looks like he kissed her hand. 

1530
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:49,360
He kissed. 
Did that happen? 

1531
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:53,760
He kissed her cheek. 
I think so, and then at the end 

1532
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:57,440
also I think kissed her hand. 
Yeah, or her shoulder or 

1533
01:26:57,440 --> 01:26:58,880
something. 
It was cute. 

1534
01:26:59,440 --> 01:27:03,280
Yeah, it's very like romantic to
grow as we go. 

1535
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:07,800
Yeah, the FT goes back onto his 
like tablet. 

1536
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:10,680
But does he actually kiss her 
cheek? 

1537
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:13,760
It looks like he goes in but 
then she like pulls away right 

1538
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:16,640
at the same time. 
It's too far away that you 

1539
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:19,240
really can't tell, but that's 
what we're. 

1540
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:23,520
Looking for that would be so fun
to have like a new relationship 

1541
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:26,520
and they're teaching you how to 
dance. 

1542
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:29,600
Mm hmm. 
And that's just something that 

1543
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:32,320
you can just do. 
They're just dancing. 

1544
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:35,080
That's so sweet. 
But very cute. 

1545
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:40,280
Yeah, that's their relationship.
I saw like a day ago, I think he

1546
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:43,480
posted another photo to his 
Instagram where it's like the 

1547
01:27:43,480 --> 01:27:47,920
couple pose where the girl puts 
her hand on the guy's stomach. 

1548
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:50,400
You know, like it's very 
coupley. 

1549
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:52,640
Like definitely looks like 
they're together. 

1550
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:54,560
What do you mean the couple 
pose? 

1551
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:59,120
No, it's like a couple pose, 
like, you know, the couple pose 

1552
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:01,680
that includes this, you know, 
but like. 

1553
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:03,800
A common couple pose. 
I didn't know if this is like a 

1554
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:06,040
meme or something. 
No, no, no, no, no. 

1555
01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:09,880
It's just like you wouldn't 
pose, you would not pose with 

1556
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:11,760
your father in this way, you 
know? 

1557
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:16,920
Yeah, she, yeah, she has a hand 
on his stomach and he has his 

1558
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:20,720
hand right above her butt, but 
not on it. 

1559
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:25,440
Just where her butt meets her 
back kind of on. 

1560
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:31,080
The slope, the slope, the slope 
of her back, the small of her 

1561
01:28:31,080 --> 01:28:33,520
back, as they always say in 
books. 

1562
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:35,320
Yes. 
Wow. 

1563
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:37,840
But yeah, what's going to 
happen? 

1564
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:41,320
We don't know. 
Like I Jen did post to her 

1565
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:45,080
TikTok I think a couple weeks 
ago about how she plans to go 

1566
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:48,840
back to PA school. 
So how does that line up with, 

1567
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:52,400
you know, Sasha wanting kids? 
Is she going to stay in? 

1568
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:54,440
Lai thought. 
She finished. 

1569
01:28:54,720 --> 01:28:56,280
She never. 
Finished. 

1570
01:28:56,760 --> 01:29:01,000
Oh, so I mean, that's kind of 
weird thing about these shows. 

1571
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:05,080
These reality shows is a lot of 
the contestants on The Bachelor,

1572
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:08,280
The Bachelorette are very well 
educated and have very 

1573
01:29:08,280 --> 01:29:10,480
successful jobs. 
I mean, sometimes, like they 

1574
01:29:10,480 --> 01:29:13,400
might be like unemployed or 
whatever, but like usually 

1575
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:16,440
people who are like in the 
middle of something that they've

1576
01:29:16,440 --> 01:29:19,480
dedicated a lot of time to. 
So I can't imagine going through

1577
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:23,440
all that school. 
And then it's like, OK, well, am

1578
01:29:23,440 --> 01:29:27,720
I now just gonna be like an 
influencer or am I gonna finish 

1579
01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:29,160
this? 
I know. 

1580
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:29,820
Yeah. 
Mm. 

1581
01:29:29,820 --> 01:29:32,920
Hmm, I kind of hope she finishes
it. 

1582
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:35,320
Yeah, I. 
Bet she will. 

1583
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:40,720
But she can't do that forever. 
No, I mean people can be a 

1584
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:44,080
physician assistant and have a 
family, so. 

1585
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:45,760
Yeah. 
Oh yeah, totally. 

1586
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:48,280
People can even be in school and
have a family. 

1587
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:54,000
Yeah, but yeah, I mean, they 
have an age difference. 

1588
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:56,640
She's 27. 
I think he might be 39. 

1589
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:59,400
But I mean, who cares? 
Fun. 

1590
01:29:59,480 --> 01:30:00,840
I want his story. 
Right now. 

1591
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:04,360
Sorry, I'm literally on his 
story right now and it does seem

1592
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:06,880
like they live together. 
Yeah, they do actually. 

1593
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:10,240
I forgot to mention when she 
posted that dance she said perks

1594
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:11,880
of living with your dance 
partner. 

1595
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:15,640
I hope I don't like that they 
keep referring to each other's 

1596
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:17,960
dance partner. 
I want this to be like 

1597
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:23,400
completely cut and dry. 
I know hopefully soon. 

1598
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:25,720
I want to know if they're 
together I. 

1599
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:30,040
Think that was. 
Really exciting Mel, I know I 

1600
01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:33,280
devastated if not. 
I know. 

1601
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:37,080
I love the story of it. 
Like I love that she's 

1602
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:39,840
heartbroken. 
He's bummed he's not going to be

1603
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:43,320
on the show and then just 
suddenly you have 45 minutes to 

1604
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:46,720
get to the airport and then they
fall. 

1605
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:50,800
In love ROM com or something? 
Seriously. 

1606
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:55,720
Actually when they were in 
Vancouver too, he posted a photo

1607
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:58,640
of them together and I forgot or
no what was it? 

1608
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:01,560
He posted some Instagram where 
he said living in a real life 

1609
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:06,120
Notting Hill. 
It's like fate. 

1610
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:09,200
Yeah, yeah. 
Well what I just watched on his 

1611
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:13,800
story which was 5 seconds ago 
that he posted today. 

1612
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:18,560
Apparently she was running up 
the stairs and it looked like to

1613
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:20,880
their bed or maybe to their 
couch. 

1614
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:24,080
But he was sitting on the couch 
in blankets or maybe in the bed 

1615
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:28,520
in blankets, and they were doing
the red light, green light, you 

1616
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:31,040
know, game, but also from Squid 
Game as well. 

1617
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:34,720
And she was like running to like
get to him and he was doing red 

1618
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:37,160
light. 
And she was like, please can I 

1619
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:39,120
come like sit with you or leave 
with you? 

1620
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:42,040
And then you'd do green light 
and then she'd run a little bit 

1621
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:44,960
and then you'd say red light. 
And it just looks so cute. 

1622
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:49,200
I was like, Oh my God, that's. 
They must be they. 

1623
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:51,240
Oh yeah. 
Oh yeah, I forgot to also 

1624
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:53,880
mention when they went to 
Vancouver for the Taylor Swift 

1625
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:58,360
concert, they posted videos in 
their hotel room and there was 

1626
01:31:58,360 --> 01:32:04,240
only one bed in the background, 
but it was definitely both of 

1627
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:06,520
them were staying in the hotel 
room because they were showing 

1628
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:09,000
off all their products that were
in the room. 

1629
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:15,400
Wow, very cute, Mel. 
Very. 

1630
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:18,360
Sweet. 
Yeah, I'm, they're my ship right

1631
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:20,320
now of the year, so I'm waiting 
for them. 

1632
01:32:22,040 --> 01:32:24,400
I didn't even know who they 
were. 

1633
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:28,800
I have never watched these shows
really, but I. 

1634
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:31,040
Has anyone written fan fiction 
for them? 

1635
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:32,040
Yet. 
Oh, I don't know. 

1636
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:34,960
Oh my gosh. 
Maybe see? 

1637
01:32:35,480 --> 01:32:38,480
Wonder if any other podcast has 
spoken about them yet. 

1638
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:42,800
Maybe he's searched Dancing with
the Stars type podcast or batch.

1639
01:32:42,880 --> 01:32:45,760
Podcast, I bet let. 
Me. 

1640
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:49,200
Look it up. 
I'm looking on Apple Podcasts. 

1641
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:54,520
I don't see anything. 
The only thing I need to say is 

1642
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:59,440
he needs a new hairstyle. 
Why? 

1643
01:32:59,440 --> 01:33:01,680
What's wrong? 
With it, I don't like the way he

1644
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:03,280
styles his hair. 
That's all I'm going to say. 

1645
01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:06,840
I think it can get a little 
unruly sometimes. 

1646
01:33:07,440 --> 01:33:09,520
I think it's better if it's 
unruly. 

1647
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:13,840
The when it's really styled, I 
think that's when it's at its 

1648
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:16,280
worst. 
You've only seen the pictures 

1649
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:18,720
Mel sent us. 
It's not too long, it just 

1650
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:21,000
really stands up from his 
forehead. 

1651
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:25,400
It's just odd. 
It is like gelled upwards. 

1652
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:28,960
Yeah. 
I think he's a attractive man 

1653
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:31,280
though. 
I didn't say that, I just said 

1654
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:34,600
he needs a new hairstyle. 
Well, I'll send. 

1655
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:37,920
Well, you know, he's, he's in 
showbiz. 

1656
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:40,960
I feel like for whatever reason,
dancers style their hair like 

1657
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:41,840
that. 
Yeah. 

1658
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:46,800
I don't know why, it's just 
making sense to me. 

1659
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:49,800
Yeah. 
I see what you mean, it is up. 

1660
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:53,400
It's kind of like a superhero. 
Yeah. 

1661
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:55,800
Yeah. 
But they're cute. 

1662
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:59,320
Thank you, Mel. 
Yeah, you did a great job. 

1663
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:02,480
Thank you. 
I will say next week's episode 

1664
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:11,240
is less wholesome. 
It's less happy, less romantic 

1665
01:34:11,240 --> 01:34:13,240
comedy. 
You might think going into it 

1666
01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:17,320
that it might be a romantic 
comedy because of the people who

1667
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:19,720
are in it. 
You might associate them with 

1668
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:25,480
romantic comedies, but the story
itself is quite scandalous. 

1669
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:31,960
It does involve cheating and it 
takes place across the pond and 

1670
01:34:32,480 --> 01:34:35,520
in England, and that's all I 
will cite about that. 

1671
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:39,480
Wow, I don't even know if I know
who it is. 

1672
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:42,160
You do. 
I told you I remember. 

1673
01:34:42,160 --> 01:34:44,160
I remember. 
I'm pumped. 

1674
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:48,640
Well, thank you so much, Mel, 
and thank you to everybody who 

1675
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:49,920
listened. 
Thank you. 

1676
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:51,600
Thank you. 
Yes. 

1677
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:55,240
Thank you and. 
And we'll get back together next

1678
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:56,520
week. 
Bye. 

1679
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:03,760
Bye. 
Is your heart peeled with pain? 

1680
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:09,920
Shall I come back again?