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Are You Lonesome Tonight? 
Do you miss me tonight? 

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Are you sorry? 
We drifted does your mate. 

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Welcome back old Sports welcome.
We're talking about the 1920s 

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today and it's Kellen Mel. 
Well, I'm Mel, I'm Co and that's

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our brand for cousins. 
We look alike. 

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We do last night. 
We were told by people that we 

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look like twins, we went to the 
podcast of bet a party. 

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I glass box, not sponsored but 
yeah, but it does do a little 

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podcast party and it was cool. 
Cool. 

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We actually met some podcasters 
that I love we met Shannon 

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McMahon. 
From moving forward, and Kelly 

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Williams, from Beyond the 
blinds. 

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I couldn't believe that. 
Oh, my god. 

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Really Star Struck, while we 
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minutes. 
Yeah, I felt a little bit like F

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Scott Fitzgerald. 
You know? 

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I know instead of books 
podcasts. 

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Hmm, New York party. 
Hmm, open bar. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
So hungover today, that's really

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fitting for this episode. 
Mmm. 

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Perfect fact because they're 
alcoholics. 

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They are they, they were. 
Yes, there are, no, I never know

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how to talk like in present 
tense and past tense. 

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You know? 
Well, yeah. 

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I don't know, knows what I'm 
doing my notes. 

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I write something in present 
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that's 100 years ago. 
Well, I've been because my dog 

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passed away, no. 
But I've been seeing this grief 

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counselor. 
Mmm, she was saying to me, that 

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it's really Important. 
When you're talking about your 

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lost loved ones, to still use 
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possible. 
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aren't like our loved ones, who 
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But like you don't want to say 
like, oh, I loved my grandmother

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something because like, you 
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That's true. 
Feel like, I love my 

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grandmother. 
Like, you don't want to say 

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like, oh, she was an amazing 
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she's not physically alive, 
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that's nice. 
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Describing people permanent 
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still use the present tense, but
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Feel like, maybe we don't kill 
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alcoholism acting May begin 
advised. 

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Hey, there is more to them than 
that though. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
So today we are talking about, F

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Scott Fitzgerald and Zelda 
Gerald and but her her maiden 

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name was Ser so Zelda's are. 
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are, I feel like most people in 
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they are. 
But just in case Scott wrote The

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Great Gatsby. 
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known for but he also wrote 
books like this side of paradise

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and the Beautiful and the damned
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He also wrote The Curious Case 
of Benjamin Button. 

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Oh, I know that. 
That was a short story. 

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I know it's just a short, ya 
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with Brad Pitt. 
I haven't seen it. 

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Go check out our Brad Pitt 
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It's actually such a good movie.
Love it. 

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Oh yeah. 
Good. 

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You should watch that something 
like a great story. 

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Yeah it's cool. 
Yeah so I have always loved the 

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1920s so much in fact Malin I 
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January 1st 2012. 
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going into it. 
I was 20 themed. 

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We all dressed up, we mentioned 
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There's like a hundred people 
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Yep, it was the best party ever 
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Oh my gosh. 
And like, we were 23:20 at five 

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years old. 
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And we put so much work into it 
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since really 13. 
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Yeah. 
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minutes and then we like, oh 
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do it when it turned, The 20th. 
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of the year. 
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It just went downhill from 
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So everyone at the party was 
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My knees. 
Ya gonna be a sparkly year and 

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it was, yeah, I was doing a lot 
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because I was researching this 
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to be the 1920s, The Roaring 
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things to change, but I feel 
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30s. 
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just a lot of strife and could, 
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I feel like the Tans were more 
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it. 
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Yeah, exactly people who are 
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Lots of party songs. 
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the 2,000 tons was actually 
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Really nice. 
It was really fun. 

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Yeah, the 2020s have not been 
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No right now. 
It's turning around. 

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Its getting well, at least here.
Yeah, not Ukraine, I'm sorry. 

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I'm sorry to get depressed. 
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there's always crap going on but
yeah, I was thinking a lot about

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that. 
I So, immersed, in this guy, 

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I've been listening to 1920s 
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I, my personality is this 
episode love it, when that 

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happens. 
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I'm so inspired to just like 
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All night. 
I am like, they just lived. 

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It definitely did. 
It's hard to fit in time for 

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relaxing and they don't think 
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He was very work. 
Hard play hard and that took a A

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toll for sure. 
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the 1920s, basically, I mean, 
don't you feel like The Great 

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Gatsby like is 1920s. 
It's like the defining thing, 

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the Whole Decade. 
But I'm sure there's a lot of, 

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like, Vibes that are so counter 
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Be, yeah, you know, like yeah, 
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whatever, because it didn't even
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globalized and stuff. 
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way, very different, you know, 
what do you mean? 

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Like, it's like where you were 
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country compared to like, oh, 
like New York City or yeah, so 

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different. 
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I think this surprising when 
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they traveled so much. 
It's crazy. 

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So I really like the Great 
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him in Zelda and, you know, in 
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in that movie and I was 
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we did the Ben Gibbard and so I 
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talked about reading this book. 
They have right here called dear

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Scott dearest Zelda, which is 
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still survive, but back and 
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And then I read the book and I 
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read the whole entire book out 
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But do take way, too long. 
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yeah um they they were like the 
It couple and I do 20s. 

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I feel like a lot of decades 
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that defines the decade and this
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Even said about them said, they 
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the twenties. 
What the words would you use to 

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describe this couple? 
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I could have said, but I say 
complicated intoxicated. 

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'Intoxicated intoxicated, and 
passionate. 

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Yeah, but it over all. 
This is worth of work fourth 

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word, but I thought it was like 
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But crazy. 
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It's crazy. 
I think this is Gary. 

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I feel like I've said this many 
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the Craziest one that I've 
researched, I honestly don't 

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know much. 
I like, I know that they're 

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crazy but like, I don't know any
specifics about their 

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relationship. 
I have to tell you how they met.

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I'll tell you really curious. 
I'll tell you. 

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I actually use for books for 
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Yeah, I got to go into it 
because I got a library card and

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I was like, oh my God, there's 
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They're just like went 
overboard. 

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I read one is called Flappers by
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I only use the Zelda chapters or
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different. 
A girls only did the cell of the

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chapters, the Gatsby Affair by 
Kendall Taylor, dear Scott, dear

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selda as I mentioned which is 
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Kathy W barks and then I read a 
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I just kind of skim this one 
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brown, which is about Scott 
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wasn't, there's kind of lacking 
Scott and some of the books I 

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read weirdly he just goes by 
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the F Francis that's it. 
Scott name, key Fitzgerald, so 

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he's related to Francis Scott 
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Star-Spangled Banner. 
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Hmm. 
What's the relationship? 

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I wrote down. 
I think it's it's um it's pretty

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far back. 
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Wow. 
Very like American. 

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Yeah. 
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this family on his father's 
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I mean he went back for like his
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Yeah, uncle or something. 
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Fitzgerald, but he went by 
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I wish I could include include 
every single detail if you guys 

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are at all interested. 
In this, I really recommend 

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reading more because there's so 
much more. 

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I can include it all that always
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a two-part. 
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It's gonna be a two-parter 
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didn't want to skip stuff. 
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too much and and I feel like the
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was like so sweet and I didn't 
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it too much. 
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these. 
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occasionally, do ya two-part 
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especially with certain couples.
You don't want to skip things 

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and then have someone be like oh
you don't include oh yeah. 

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I know. 
You know what you're talking 

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about? 
Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
It's hard to include everything 

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I know and I are going to be 
some things I leave out. 

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Um, I'm glad I actually read. 
I'm so glad I read this letters 

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book because the main book I 
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Taylor. 
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these letters book in the 
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The editors of this book were 
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Like that book didn't get it 
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was messed up. 
And wow, it is weird. 

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Like I do think so. 
That one was the Gatsby Affair. 

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For some reason that book really
made it seem like a terrible 

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relationship. 
I thought they both seemed kind 

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of terrible. 
I even was questioning of Zelda 

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even like Scott. 
I Googled it Zelda even like 

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Scott, I didn't find any results
but yeah, it the book really was

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like definitely on Zelda side. 
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it made it look like they didn't
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Yeah but then when you read this
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like they clearly loved each 
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So I was like what the heck why?
I don't know why they wanted to 

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portray it that way they didn't 
really just maybe take a 

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different spin on. 
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So I'm glad I didn't just stop 
there or else. 

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I would have been like pretty - 
I'm glad you see. 

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There's always so many different
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story. 
Yeah. 

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You can get a nonfiction. 
Yeah. 

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They clearly just wanted to be 
like Scott was horrible and 

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Zelda's just trapped in a 
marriage and like maybe if that 

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felt true, sometimes that's what
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But I Think it's way more 

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complicated than that. 
That's why I said complicate 

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him. 
But oh, so when we do get into 

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the letters Zelda, didn't she 
was kind of disorganized and she

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throughout her life. 

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So she didn't have a lot of her 
letters, a lot of Scots letters 

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are gone. 
Okay? 

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But he kept all of hers. 
So it seems like she wrote to 

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him more often but she's because
not many of his letters 

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survived. 
Yeah that's how it is. 

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All right well I'm gonna get It 
F Scott Fitzgerald, and Zelda. 

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Fitzgerald so starts. 
Scott was born, September 24th, 

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1896. 
Pretty far back. 

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He's born in st. 
Paul Minnesota Minnesota. 

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Yep. 
And you know what's cool his 

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grandfather on his mother's side
was from County from Ana and I 

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don't oh my gosh on his mother's
side my grandmother so is our I 

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I know, grandmother and I don't 
think for man has come up yet on

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this show. 
No shoutouts a county for man. 

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I know, I was so excited to see 
that this killing. 

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Yep, it's where our grandmothers
from. 

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Yep. 
I don't know what town, but 

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whatever, his parents were Mary,
AKA Molly and Edward and his dad

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had a wicker furniture business,
that failed, and then he became 

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a Salesman and then failed 
again. 

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He kept like, losing his job, 
but his mom had an inheritance. 

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Is that kind of like kept the 
middle class? 

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So they were okay. 
I think his dad was an alcoholic

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to sadly and his parents had two
daughters that died before. 

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Scott was born from God and 
epidemic. 

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I know that's awful. 
And after that Scott felt like 

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his mom babied him and smothered
him spoiled him too much and 

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that, that caused him to lack 
his own courage and stability. 

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You really put some thought? 
Yeah, he definitely did. 

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It seems like later in life as 
an adult. 

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He didn't really spend too much 
time with his parents. 

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Yeah. 
Just kind of sad that, you know,

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have any other siblings. 
Hmm. 

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Yes. 
He was like an only child 

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basically. 
And that's like, that's a weird 

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type of grief to it's like, 
yeah. 

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You have had siblings that you 
never met and they always kind 

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of like living in like the post.
Yeah. 

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Lost period for your parents to,
that's really sad. 

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Yeah. 
And then Zelda was born July 

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24th, 1920s it really easy to 
keep track of a is I love that 

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and so he's four years older, I 
think. 

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Hmm. 
Um yeah it's eldest Heir was 

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born in Montgomery Alabama. 
Her father was the associate 

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Justice of the Alabama Supreme 
Court and her mother many Macon.

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She had five siblings older 
sister. 

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She did have a brother that 18 
months old and another brother. 

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And she was the youngest kid, 
the baby. 

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Well, some have babies, yep. 
Yep. 

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But she had a lot of older 
siblings. 

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The Sayers were Southern 
aristocracy basically, they were

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like prominent families and her 
dad, you know, he was a Justice 

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and he's pretty much a white 
supremacist is a judge. 

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He depraved black people and 
poor white people from voting 

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but I know, But luckily, you 
know, Zelda didn't seem to agree

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with him and she she enjoyed 
defying him and called him old 

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dick because his middle name was
Dickerson. 

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Yeah. 
Goes always trying to. 

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Yeah. 
Do the opposite of your destiny.

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I know. 
It's like, okay. 

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Um, okay back to Scott. 
He grew up Catholic, and he even

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considered becoming a priest at 
one point. 

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I know he attended Newman a 
Catholic boarding In school in 

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New Jersey but his grades were 
not that impressive and he was 

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already smoking and drinking at 
age 15, he became very easily 

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intoxicated even by one drink. 
Oh yeah, that's me 

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although his grades weren't that
great. 

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He was always late to class. 
He really wanted to go to 

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Princeton and I guess he met 
with the board of appeals and 

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dressed impeccably and was very 
charming and somehow he got 

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into, Princeton is very 
confident that he was going to 

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be a good writer. 
And he was, yeah, he ended up 

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kind of losing his confidence 
like later in life, but I feel 

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like when he was young, he was 
like, I'm gonna be a great 

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novelist. 
No yeah yeah. 

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And he did it. 
Yeah, my God if you believe it 

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you can achieve it. 
Doo doo doo doo. 

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Yes, we're going to Princeton. 
He became a princess in 1913. 

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He wrote for the literary 
magazine, he got super into 

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literature and then in 1915, he 
fell in love for the first time 

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with dinner Vic, King a 16 year 
old Chicago debutante, she 

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introduced him to the world of 
the wealthy, which I feel like 

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he stayed fascinated with you. 
Like forever, kind of like, he's

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Dan Humphrey and Serena or 
something. 

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But then his relationship with 
her ended a year later and and I

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wasn't related. 
But I thought it was so sad that

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he asked her for his letters 
back and she hadn't kept any of 

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them. 
And apparently, he had saved all

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of her letters and also had 
typed them and bound them in a 

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300-page document. 
Like make a book of her letters.

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I know it's like my letters. 
Yeah, I don't keep them so sad. 

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Yeah, so I feel like he's a big 
romantic. 

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Um, he was struggling at 
Princeton though and he left 

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americo's enter World War 1 so 
he enlisted in the Infantry and 

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became a second lieutenant. 
And He reported to Fort 

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Leavenworth, Kansas and that's 
when he started working on his 

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first novel. 
This side of paradise news, 

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often writing all he's supposed 
to be paying attention to 

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lessons about trench warfare. 
So then he's transferred to like

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different camps, I guess to 
prepare to go to war, and then 

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he was transferred to Camp. 
Sheridan near Montgomery, 

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Alabama. 
And that's how he met selda 

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because she was in Montgomery, 
Alabama. 

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And it's so interesting because 
that's assuming Great Gatsby. 

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Like, Gatsby was stationed. 
I think Daisy lived in 

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Louisville Kentucky, but it was 
like, a similar thing and there 

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was like, all these boys in town
because they were at the camp. 

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So they first met July 18th at 
Montgomery Country Club. 

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Dance Scott had pulled strings 
to get in since he wasn't a 

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member. 
I guess everyone at the club was

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watching selda perform Dance of 
the hours, some kind of dance 

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and Scott wrote how that night 
she glistened in the evening, 

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comparing her to angels in 
Italian paintings. 

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Okay, so Zelda was very well 
known in town. 

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She was like the town flirt. 
Yeah. 

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She was the it girl in 
Montgomery. 

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Look. 
I don't know if you had someone 

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like this in your town but like 
a girl that dated a lot of guys 

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and everybody. 
Heard she's kind of scandalous 

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and run around town. 
And yeah, that was all the. 

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This is 1918. 
Okay. 

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So 2018. 
Yeah. 

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She's 1822. 
Yep, she's very flirty outgoing.

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Rambunctious doing crazy stunts.
She was like, the original 

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flapper, girl, and she actually,
like, glitter and life, right? 

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Wrote some kind of article or 
something about how like she was

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a flapper and all these. 
New Flappers like weren't really

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Flappers like copying. 
Yeah, yeah I didn't realize that

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flapper like I first of all I 
didn't know that. 

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It meant basically like party 
girl. 

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Yeah, I didn't really know what 
it meant. 

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I thought I was just like 
someone with short hair and, you

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know, wore those dresses. 
But I didn't realize that a 

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flapper was almost like a hippie
or a punk or a hipster. 

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It's like it's not just about 
the outfit. 

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It's also about the lifestyle. 
Yeah. 

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Like a flapper was like a 
free-spirited. 

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And woman. 
Yeah, you know, yeah. 

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But then I think she was similar
to what happened with like, 

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hippies and hipsters, Punk's, 
whatever. 

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Then she saw people dressing. 
That way that weren't really 

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living the life. 
Yeah, she's like, copying her. 

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Yeah, they're not really 
Flappers. 

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I thought that was funny, but, 
um, Yeah, she was known for 

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saying shocking things. 
She liked to be really 

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provocative. 
Should have very very thick 

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southern accent. 
Ooh hmm she was wild. 

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You can got a bedroom windows 
and kiss. 

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Lots of boy she was indifferent 
to anyone's opinion. 

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Well, you can be like that if 
you want to. 

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Yeah, yeah, we're gonna do old 
26. 

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I know. 
Yeah, it's all about like being 

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rebellious. 
Yeah. 

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Um, but her senior year of high 
school, she was already showing 

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signs of depression and that 
candle Taylor making the right 

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Taylor. 
Kendall Taylor, Kendall, Kendall

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Taylor. 
I don't remember what it is. 

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That book speculated that she 
had been raped is a teenager 

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there isn't, you know, I don't 
think these like concrete 

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evidence, but she did write 
later in life. 

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She wrote Some books, like she 
wrote this novel Caesars things.

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It's based on her life, and it 
seems very much about her life. 

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And there's a whole part in that
seems like implies it doesn't 

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get too graphic details or 
anything. 

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But implies that the main 
character was raped. 

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So really sad. 
I don't know if it has anything 

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to do with that but maybe 
anyway. 

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So back to the dance where they 
met after the dance ended Scott 

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walked over to her and 
introduced himself and they 

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started dancing but everyone was
trying to dance with her and 

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kept cutting in. 
So to get her alone. 

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Own Scott suggested a midnight 
date. 

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Oh, but Zelda, said she laughed 
and said, she never made late 

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dates with fast workers. 
I don't really know things, but 

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she apparently had often had 
multiple dates in one night 

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because she was in such high 
demand. 

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I know, I could not handle and 
he tried to get her phone 

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number, but when he tried to 
make plans with her, she was 

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booked for weeks. 
So he organized, an 18th 

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birthday party. 
Her to get her attention. 

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It's pretty extreme. 
So. 

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Okay, at this time, Scott was 
five foot seven. 

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Oh, wow. 
Oh yeah, yeah. 

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Now I'm going to this is going 
to talk about. 

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They look like he's 57. 
He had a very elegant, face 

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hair, parted down the middle. 
He was very get, very 1920s 

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here, he's very good-looking, 
he's very good-looking and 

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intelligent and dressed. 
Well, but he didn't have money. 

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Gatsby and then he tried to look
the part. 

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Hmm, she was 55 almost eye-level
with Scott, but people said she 

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appeared taller because you just
really confident. 

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She was voted the prettiest and 
the most energetic girl with the

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most kissable mouth by her 
classmates. 

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Like, oh God, most kissable kind
of surprise is that she had 

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honey gold hair and gray, green 
eyes. 

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I think they were both really 
good-looking guy. 

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Eyes this applies to all 
historic couples we do. 

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I never really noticed this or 
knew this, until like this year 

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that if you're looking at a 
picture of a historic person, 

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and you think like, oh they 
look, they look so old 

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fashioned, or they look so 
weird. 

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Look at their face and try to 
picture them with modern hair. 

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Yeah. 
And you will see what they in 

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air quotes really look like, 
yeah, that because it's so weird

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like hair, we really attribute 
with certain time period. 

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Kind of freaks me out because 
I'm like oh my God, someday 

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people. 
We're going to look at us now 

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and see our however, we're 
styling ourselves and be like, 

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well, they look so old, you 
know, the thing, like with the 

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Golden Girls. 
Oh yeah, it is see me. 

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Just the ladies. 
I think they're actually younger

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than the ladies on Sex and the 
City. 

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Yeah. 
And just like that and so people

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put like the Sex and the City 
hair on the golden. 

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Yeah it's crazy because like our
Concepts that were even like I 

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think they're the same age as 
like Jennifer Aniston or yeah. 

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Like but that that hair at the 
time. 

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I'm was cool like just because 
people usually keep the same 

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hair forever, exact. 
So I people keep their 80s hair.

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Yeah. 
So it's like to now. 

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That's all. 
Yeah. 

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He hair. 
Yes. 

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They kept her. 
Even like, yeah. 

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Grandparents, like the clothes 
that they wore. 

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Yeah. 
That we think of as old people 

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clothes like that. 
Those were young. 

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Yeah, that was hit. 
Yeah, crazy because it's like 

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00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:26,600
our I don't know who's ringing 
the door right now. 

455
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,400
So I do think they are very 
pretty people. 

456
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,100
Yeah, but it is funny. 
The one is the middle part going

457
00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:36,200
to come back. 
I know for fun. 

458
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,500
Yeah. 
Okay. 

459
00:26:38,500 --> 00:26:41,500
So the war actually ended before
Scott ever got sent to the 

460
00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:43,600
front. 
Yeah, good. 

461
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,000
Good for him, but he actually 
always felt kind of ashamed 

462
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,600
about it. 
I get it. 

463
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,900
Yeah I probably felt bad. 
Um so Scott had this Ledger. 

464
00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:57,400
He wrote in that I think is kind
of like one line of daily which 

465
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,500
Mel and I have both done where 
he just wrote in it. 

466
00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:03,100
I think like everyday just short
updates about his life and on 

467
00:27:03,100 --> 00:27:06,900
September 7th which is actually 
like a bit later than the dance.

468
00:27:06,900 --> 00:27:10,400
But he wrote that he fell in 
love with Zelda. 

469
00:27:13,100 --> 00:27:19,500
But then February 1919 Scott 
left for NYC where he rented a 

470
00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:24,000
room on Claremont Avenue and sir
working on his novel and writing

471
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,300
advertising copy. 
So, he like during the day work 

472
00:27:26,300 --> 00:27:29,000
in this advertising company and 
that night he was working on 

473
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,400
this novel much all day and 
human Zelda. 

474
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,600
Wrote many, many letters to each
other and they became 

475
00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:39,900
unofficially engaged. 
Oh, they're like talking about 

476
00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:42,500
getting married but I don't 
think there was like a ring. 

477
00:27:42,500 --> 00:27:43,600
Wow. 
Yeah guys. 

478
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,800
That like she had dated so many 
people that like what about him 

479
00:27:46,900 --> 00:27:50,500
really? 
I know what her off her feet. 

480
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,800
I think it was that he did 
really look the part of like a 

481
00:27:54,808 --> 00:27:57,500
wealthy guy. 
And he was very confident that 

482
00:27:57,500 --> 00:28:01,500
he was going to be the Great 
American novelist and she 

483
00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:04,000
believed in him. 
But it wasn't that simple 

484
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,800
because even though they became 
engaged unofficially and they 

485
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,400
were writing really romantic 
letters to each other, she was 

486
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:15,800
apparently seeing this guy, John
Sellers, When a guy she dated in

487
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,000
high school and she was also 
seeing to football stars? 

488
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:24,100
Oh, okay. 
Yes, it's very unofficial if he 

489
00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:26,300
don't think. 
I don't think. 

490
00:28:26,300 --> 00:28:28,000
Scott knew that. 
Yeah. 

491
00:28:28,100 --> 00:28:31,000
When you read the letters, 
they're like so lovey-dovey. 

492
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,400
It's kind of sad. 
She's she is, you know, when I 

493
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,400
was doing this research, I was 
like, man we're reaching hard on

494
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,900
Phoebe Bridgers, like I know 
girls are just having fun. 

495
00:28:42,900 --> 00:28:45,800
Honestly, that's like what guys 
do all the time. 

496
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,200
They like date many different 
women. 

497
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,600
And yeah, yeah. 
And make you think you're like 

498
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,500
the only one. 
So that was totally doing that. 

499
00:28:53,500 --> 00:28:55,600
Yeah, she was seeing other guys,
but you would even in the 

500
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,900
letters, like she'd kind of hint
that it should always say to 

501
00:28:57,900 --> 00:29:00,000
Scott, like, oh, I was with the 
boys. 

502
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,700
Ha ha ha. 
It was just fraternal, but I 

503
00:29:02,708 --> 00:29:06,300
think it was dressing him out. 
Yeah, the Kendall Taylor book 

504
00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:09,000
did make it seem like she really
didn't care for Scott at all. 

505
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,000
But if you read the letters, 
like it's very, very, very cute.

506
00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:14,600
I'm going to read I'm gonna read
some got one here. 

507
00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:17,700
I love the letters. 
I love that in the Einstein 

508
00:29:17,700 --> 00:29:20,400
episode. 
That was like the cutest thing 

509
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,700
ever, okay? 
Page 13. 

510
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,700
It's so cute. 
So when you think about like, 

511
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,200
you know, that we text now that 
like, we really have just been 

512
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,900
writing to each other. 
I know. 

513
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,900
We're all these, you know, like 
we should be really like texting

514
00:29:35,900 --> 00:29:38,700
that's like texting is just like
a updated version of grading 

515
00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:41,600
someone. 
Yeah, text can be very 

516
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:42,500
beautiful. 
Yeah. 

517
00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:46,700
And Poetic just depends who 
you're talking to. 

518
00:29:47,500 --> 00:29:50,400
Yeah. 
Okay, so this is from Zelda to 

519
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:56,700
Scott March 1919. 
She said, darling, I've nearly 

520
00:29:56,700 --> 00:30:00,200
set it off in the Strand today 
and all because we Lawrence of 

521
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,600
the movies is your physical 
counterpart. 

522
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,600
So, I was informed by half a 
dozen girls before I could slam 

523
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,900
on a hat and see for myself. 
He made me so homesick. 

524
00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:12,400
I thought of first waiting must 
grow easier later, but every 

525
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,900
day, I want you more all these 
soft warm nights going to waste 

526
00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:19,000
when I ought to be lying in your
arms under the moon, the dearest

527
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,100
arms and all the world darling 
arms that I love soda. 

528
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:26,500
Feel around me how much longer 
before they'll be there to stay?

529
00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:29,000
Where do I get home again? 
You'll certainly have a most 

530
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,700
awful time ever, moving me one 
inch from you blah blah blah an 

531
00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:36,000
old flame from the stone. 
Age's is calling tonight. 

532
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,400
He'll probably leave in disgust 
because I just want to talk 

533
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,700
about you. 
I love you. 

534
00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:44,200
So and I'm So Lonesome. 
Well that's interesting. 

535
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,200
She like brings up an old days, 
okay? 

536
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,400
Oh I'll probably be talking 
about you the whole time and 

537
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,300
then she says, oh lover lover, 
you are mine. 

538
00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:55,100
And before long, I'll be coming 
to you because you are doc. 

539
00:30:55,100 --> 00:30:58,400
My darling husband and I am your
wife. 

540
00:30:58,500 --> 00:31:01,500
Wow. 
Very seriously. 

541
00:31:01,500 --> 00:31:06,500
I know you would think, but it's
like, is this how he's talking 

542
00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:08,700
to everybody? 
I don't know if I can really 

543
00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:10,900
trust me. 
I know. 

544
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,600
Well, yep. 
Mmm. 

545
00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:15,500
Okay, then I think, maybe like a
week or two later. 

546
00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:18,700
There's another cute one. 
She said, sweetheart please, 

547
00:31:18,700 --> 00:31:20,700
please don't be. 
So depressed, will be married 

548
00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:22,200
soon. 
And then these Lonesome nights 

549
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,100
will be forever over. 
And until we are, I am loving 

550
00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:28,200
loving, every tiny minute of the
day and night, maybe you won't 

551
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,900
understand this. 
But sometimes, when I miss you 

552
00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:32,700
most, it's hardest to write. 
And you can always know when I 

553
00:31:32,708 --> 00:31:36,700
make myself just the ache of it.
All, I can't tell you if we were

554
00:31:36,700 --> 00:31:38,500
together, you'd feel how strong 
it is. 

555
00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:41,200
You're so sweet when your 
Melancholy, I love your sad 

556
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,000
tenderness when I've hurt you. 
That's one of the reasons I 

557
00:31:44,008 --> 00:31:46,700
could never be sorry for our 
quarrels and they bothered you. 

558
00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:49,400
So, those dear dear little 
fusses when I'm always. 

559
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,600
So I'm always waiting when I 
always tried so hard to make you

560
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,700
kiss. 
And forget Scott, there's 

561
00:31:55,700 --> 00:31:58,700
nothing in all the world they 
want, but you and your precious 

562
00:31:58,700 --> 00:32:00,800
love all those material, things 
are nothing. 

563
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,400
I just hate to live a sorted 
colorful existence because you'd

564
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,600
soon love me less and less and 
I'd want to do anything anything

565
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,300
to keep your heart for my own. 
I don't want to live. 

566
00:32:10,500 --> 00:32:13,700
I want to love first and And 
live. 

567
00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:15,500
Incidentally, why don't you feel
that? 

568
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,200
I'm waiting, I'll come to you 
lover when you're ready. 

569
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,600
Don't don't ever think of the 
things? 

570
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,200
You can't give me. 
You've trusted me with the 

571
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,600
dearest heart of all, and it's 
so damn much more than anybody 

572
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,100
else. 
In all the world has ever had. 

573
00:32:28,900 --> 00:32:33,200
That's funny, I, when I miss you
most, I can't write you. 

574
00:32:35,700 --> 00:32:37,900
I know, I don't know if I 
believe that a good way to be 

575
00:32:37,908 --> 00:32:40,500
like when I'm not giving you any
attention. 

576
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:46,300
Yeah, because I really liked She
in one letter said something 

577
00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:50,100
about like, it's hard to write. 
She's basically saying like it's

578
00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:52,400
hard to do this. 
It's hard to do long distance 

579
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,800
and it's hard to be always 
writing about what I'm up to and

580
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,900
I thought was funny because I 
feel like people still say that 

581
00:32:57,900 --> 00:32:59,400
today like with texting or 
whatever. 

582
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,800
Yeah I can't I mean some people 
love. 

583
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,600
I mean it's never really been 
much of a problem for me but I 

584
00:33:04,608 --> 00:33:07,900
know like I've some friends that
don't enjoy like updating 

585
00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:09,500
someone about their life or 
whatever. 

586
00:33:09,500 --> 00:33:11,900
Yeah, she said something like 
that. 

587
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,700
She's He's a sneaky little 10. 
I'm gonna be a little thing from

588
00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:22,400
Scott to, oh yeah, they didn't 
see here that if I need, he must

589
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,300
have written something kind of 
melancholy, or whatever for her 

590
00:33:26,300 --> 00:33:30,600
to be like, oh, like I'm sad 
that you're don't like, don't be

591
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,000
so depressed. 
Yeah, yeah, he must have. 

592
00:33:33,100 --> 00:33:34,700
It's funny. 
She said she loves his 

593
00:33:34,700 --> 00:33:38,000
Melancholy. 
Like I love to make you sad 

594
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,400
because I love when you're in a 
sad mood because I love to come 

595
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,900
for you. 
Kind of a red flag. 

596
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,200
Okay. 
So, this is March 24th, 1919 and

597
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,900
she put in her scrapbook 
actually. 

598
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,400
Um, is very short. 
He wrote darling, I'm sending 

599
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,200
this just the way it came. 
I hope it fits and I wish I was 

600
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,300
there to put it on. 
Put it on, I love you so much. 

601
00:34:01,300 --> 00:34:03,600
Much, much, that it just hurts 
every minute. 

602
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,200
I'm without you, do you write 
every day because I loved your 

603
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,800
letter. 
So goodbye. 

604
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,500
My own wife, what did he send 
her an engagement ring? 

605
00:34:12,699 --> 00:34:24,800
Ring. 
He said that's really valuable 

606
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:36,300
things over the old. 
Death is so beautiful. 

607
00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:38,500
So, beautiful. 
We will die together. 

608
00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:40,500
I know. 
Oh, wow. 

609
00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:45,900
That is really Beautiful. 
Yeah, it is. 

610
00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:48,600
It's kind of interesting how 
long distance this is, and I 

611
00:34:48,607 --> 00:34:50,699
really aren't in person. 
Yeah, I know. 

612
00:34:50,699 --> 00:34:52,800
She's in Alabama. 
He's in New York. 

613
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,100
They must have really made an 
impression on each other. 

614
00:34:55,100 --> 00:34:58,700
I know, yeah, they say a lot of 
things like sweetheart 

615
00:34:58,700 --> 00:34:59,800
sweetheart. 
I love you. 

616
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,400
So, you know, a lot of stuff 
like that. 

617
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,500
They do phone calls with each 
other to they did. 

618
00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:09,100
And they also did telegrams 
sometimes just store it things. 

619
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:12,600
A lot of him being like, I'm 
sending this in the mail or 

620
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,200
like, I don't know. 
Yeah, I think they do talk in 

621
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:21,000
the phone occasionally but 
mostly letters, spring 1999, 

622
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,500
Scott visited Montgomery in 
April, May and June. 

623
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,800
So you went back and forth. 
Sometimes, you know, it's also 

624
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,900
is still hanging out with a lot 
of boys and mention them a lot 

625
00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:36,500
in her letters to Scott and she 
was apparently, apparently, I 

626
00:35:36,508 --> 00:35:38,400
don't know when she said that 
she might have said this later 

627
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,900
in life because I think at this 
time she was still kind of like 

628
00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:45,800
pretending to be a virgin. 
But Um, she said that she could 

629
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,400
sleep with others and it 
wouldn't affect her or make her 

630
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,600
unfaithful to him and also said 
that she had kissed thousands of

631
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,400
men and kiss and tended to kiss 
thousands more. 

632
00:35:54,400 --> 00:36:05,600
Oh I know that's funny though. 
He's got like 20 being 

633
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,400
universally admired but it made 
him jealous to get seems like he

634
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,700
likes a challenge. 
Yeah, he loves that, for sure. 

635
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,900
he liked her independence but he
was always a lot more like 

636
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:22,300
conservative in a way like he 
wasn't He wasn't a very sexual 

637
00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:27,500
guy I guess okay. 
Yeah I mean got lucky we're 

638
00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:31,800
talking about this poor man but 
yeah he obviously had sex but he

639
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,600
wasn't like flooding. 
Yeah he wasn't like and he 

640
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,200
wasn't as showy about things 
like, I don't know. 

641
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,200
Yeah, it wasn't promiscuous. 
Yeah. 

642
00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:43,300
And I remember he almost became 
a priest. 

643
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,600
Yeah, he might be okay living 
without. 

644
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,300
Yeah. 
Um, when he visited her, they 

645
00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:55,000
would go to the movies and 
amusement arcade and strolls in 

646
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,500
the Moonlight and apparently, 
they carve their names into a 

647
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,700
doorpost. 
And Scott, did his name much 

648
00:37:00,700 --> 00:37:05,800
larger than hers? 
Yes, look Frank at this point. 

649
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,800
I'm getting the vibe that he 
like cares more. 

650
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,000
Yeah, that's what he didn't 
really have. 

651
00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:15,400
Money and he couldn't compare to
the wealthier men that were 

652
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,500
pursuing her. 
So he was feeling really 

653
00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:20,100
threatened by that and he kept 
insisting that he's going to 

654
00:37:20,107 --> 00:37:24,300
become a successful novelist May
1919. 

655
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:26,900
I thought was funny she wrote to
him that mrs. 

656
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:28,600
Francesca I don't know who that 
is. 

657
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,900
But got a message from the Ouija
board that her and Scott were 

658
00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:34,600
soul mates. 
Oh hmm. 

659
00:37:35,500 --> 00:37:39,300
I know people did the we do horn
back then that's cute. 

660
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:46,700
But a month later that pesky 
Zelda, she accidentally cents 

661
00:37:46,700 --> 00:37:49,200
got a letter that was meant for 
another guy. 

662
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:54,900
Know what did she say? 
Apparently so I guess a guy gave

663
00:37:54,900 --> 00:37:58,200
her hit a pin or something and 
he was an athlete. 

664
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,000
And you know the thing people 
did like where my pin and I 

665
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,700
think she was, I think she was 
declining it but she was being 

666
00:38:06,700 --> 00:38:10,500
really flirty and sweet and 
stuff in it, that must be tough 

667
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:13,600
to see. 
Yeah, and Scott was very upset. 

668
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,900
He told her not to write to him 
again, but Zelda did write to 

669
00:38:17,908 --> 00:38:22,600
him and said that she was sorry.
So then Scott made a frantic 

670
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,600
trip to Montgomery to repair the
relationship and begged, her to 

671
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:32,300
marry him, but she refused and 
ended the engagement. 

672
00:38:32,300 --> 00:38:37,600
Why was but I know? 
Yeah, but she doesn't want to be

673
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,500
held back. 
It's almost like she maybe 

674
00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:43,600
didn't really mean it when she's
like, I'm sorry. 

675
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,900
I know, I think he just wanted 
to keep him like, in her orbit. 

676
00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:50,400
Yeah, yeah, totally. 
Mmm. 

677
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,400
Keep him hanging on. 
It's crazy though. 

678
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,600
That, that book The Candle 
Taylor book left this whole 

679
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,700
thing out? 
Yeah, that they left it out. 

680
00:38:59,100 --> 00:39:00,500
Makes her seem like that for 
hand here. 

681
00:39:00,500 --> 00:39:03,300
I know they just said that she 
ended the engagement. 

682
00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:06,400
They didn't explain any of this.
That's crazy. 

683
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,800
No, have you guys ever sent like
a romantic? 

684
00:39:10,100 --> 00:39:13,500
Or flirty text to the wrong 
person. 

685
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,400
Like another dude to love 
interest at once. 

686
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,500
That's crazy have, you know, I 
haven't I know anything. 

687
00:39:19,500 --> 00:39:21,100
Like a guilty plea. 
Yeah. 

688
00:39:21,500 --> 00:39:23,700
I just can't imagine, I feel 
like I would die. 

689
00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:26,200
I didn't. 
But I received one on, for the 

690
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,900
wrong, really. 
Hmm, because I know that, I 

691
00:39:29,908 --> 00:39:35,500
don't think this is my sophomore
year guy, who I was. 

692
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,300
Wait, last month, you received 
something my sophomore year. 

693
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,100
Oh, what I think he said last 
month. 

694
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:49,400
Oh oh, I guy who I was talking 
to had really strong feelings 

695
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:54,500
for and like he liked me, but 
like we're just friends and he 

696
00:39:54,500 --> 00:39:57,600
just sent me a text. 
That was like, you're so cute. 

697
00:39:57,700 --> 00:39:59,900
Oh my God. 
And then like I was like, oh my 

698
00:39:59,900 --> 00:40:03,300
God and then five minutes later 
he was like, oh I'm so sorry. 

699
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:08,600
That was for someone. 
That's insane. 

700
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:13,700
I think I cried. 
Oh, yeah, that is bad. 

701
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,000
Kind of like, you got to keep 
that straight. 

702
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,800
If you're going to be doing 
that. 

703
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:22,100
Yeah, Scott told his friend 
Edmund went by the nickname 

704
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:25,400
bunny, which is in the book, 
secret history. 

705
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,400
I feel like she must have gotten
it from that. 

706
00:40:27,500 --> 00:40:29,100
I don't know. 
Maybe that is a common nickname 

707
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:32,400
for Edmund, but anyway, his 
friend, Bonnie willesden. 

708
00:40:32,700 --> 00:40:41,900
Why said He told him that he 
wouldn't care if Zelda died but 

709
00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:47,200
couldn't bear to have her marry.
Another Scott said, yeah, that's

710
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,800
pretty nice. 
I know, I know. 

711
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,300
But you know what though? 
Like I've heard that's a thing 

712
00:40:52,300 --> 00:40:54,700
like, because with death, 
there's not a rejection. 

713
00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:56,700
Mmm. 
And he felt very rejected by 

714
00:40:56,700 --> 00:40:58,200
her. 
I bet he didn't mean it. 

715
00:40:58,300 --> 00:41:01,600
I mean, yeah, it is. 
It is really that's horrible. 

716
00:41:02,900 --> 00:41:06,300
But he wrote to another friend, 
no personality. 

717
00:41:06,500 --> 00:41:09,000
Strong, as Zelda's could go 
without getting criticism. 

718
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,300
I've always known that. 
Any girl who gets stood in 

719
00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:15,300
public, meaning like drunk who, 
frankly, enjoys until shocking 

720
00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:18,100
stories, who smokes constantly 
and makes the remarks that she 

721
00:41:18,100 --> 00:41:20,300
has kissed, thousands of men and
intense, kiss thousands. 

722
00:41:20,300 --> 00:41:24,200
More cannot be considered Beyond
reproach, but I fell in love 

723
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,700
with her courage. 
Her sincerity and her flaming 

724
00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:29,700
self-respect, I love her and 
that's the beginning and end of 

725
00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:33,000
everything. 
I've heard that quote before, 

726
00:41:33,100 --> 00:41:37,500
um, you're still a Catholic but 
Zelda's the only God I have left

727
00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:40,300
now. 
Very intense. 

728
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,400
Like Twilight, I wanted. 
You are my life. 

729
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:50,500
Yeah, yeah, Scott was working on
his novel all the time and then 

730
00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:54,800
he quit his job. 
So this is August 1919 to move 

731
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,700
back to his parents house in st.
Paul to complete his novel, 

732
00:41:59,700 --> 00:42:03,800
which is this side of paradise. 
And in the novel, he weaves a 

733
00:42:03,808 --> 00:42:07,200
lot of Zelda's letters and her 
Diary pages. 

734
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,400
I guess that she let him read. 
He puts like a lot of Zelda into

735
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:15,300
the book September 1990 1919. 
This side of paradise was 

736
00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:19,500
accepted by scribner's and then 
him and Zelda became engaged 

737
00:42:19,500 --> 00:42:23,900
again. 
You know, book deal. 

738
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:32,400
Yeah, I mean I guess at this 
time period women really did 

739
00:42:32,500 --> 00:42:36,800
kind of rely on their husbands 
money, but it does kind of Upset

740
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,200
me that she seemingly only got 
back together with him. 

741
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,900
Once he got money management 
Gatsby he's fine without it. 

742
00:42:44,900 --> 00:42:46,400
He's fine. 
Yeah, he's fine with it. 

743
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,900
He wanted that I feel like part 
of the reason he even worked 

744
00:42:49,900 --> 00:42:52,300
this hard was to like get 
they'll do. 

745
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:53,200
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

746
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:54,900
He knew the reality of the 
situation. 

747
00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:57,300
It's so interesting though, 
because in The Great Gatsby it's

748
00:42:57,300 --> 00:43:02,700
like you must have the sense of 
an awareness that like Zelda is 

749
00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:06,200
only with him for superficial 
reasons in a way. 

750
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,000
Not only with him. 
Yeah, she's much more infatuated

751
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,300
with that, then. 
Yeah, it's so interesting 

752
00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:16,600
because I remember way later in 
their life. 

753
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,500
In some letter, he expressed 
like some frustration about the 

754
00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:25,200
fact that like, the men have to 
do the work, and she just gets 

755
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,400
his money, even though she felt 
trapped by situation to like she

756
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,700
wanted, she wanted to be free, 
like I think she would have 

757
00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:34,400
liked to do her own thing. 
But it's interesting that, you 

758
00:43:34,408 --> 00:43:38,500
know, way the kind of I know it 
sounds like a cliche but like 

759
00:43:38,500 --> 00:43:42,200
patriarchal system, like he felt
kind of Trapped in it too. 

760
00:43:42,500 --> 00:43:45,300
He had to like at this point. 
It's like fun and good. 

761
00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:47,600
But like later in life they have
lot of money troubles and he's 

762
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,800
like trying to work his butt off
to make money and he's like you 

763
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:55,600
just use my money. 
I could see no I could see a 

764
00:43:55,607 --> 00:44:00,300
picture like yeah, I want to do 
half. 

765
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:06,500
Yeah, he was really good at was 
always thinking like oh, You 

766
00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:08,500
could get a job at like, a store
or something. 

767
00:44:08,500 --> 00:44:13,400
Yes, got but, but whatever. 
Yeah. 

768
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,900
So this side of paradise is 
published and it's a overnight 

769
00:44:16,900 --> 00:44:19,400
bestseller. 
And it was apparently, like, of 

770
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:25,400
its time, the first to portray, 
like a complex modern heroin and

771
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,300
it, because it's so accurate. 
Accurately depicted, the way 

772
00:44:28,300 --> 00:44:31,500
young people, behave people 
thought of Scott is kind of an 

773
00:44:31,500 --> 00:44:36,500
expert on dating and Flappers 
and he was asked to lecture Sure

774
00:44:36,500 --> 00:44:40,800
about Flappers and get a lot of 
young women fans. 

775
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,400
It's a know he was a really good
writer but seems like very lucky

776
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,400
that it became a success. 
Like you know just being a good 

777
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,100
writer doesn't mean that 
something will be. 

778
00:44:51,100 --> 00:44:52,600
Yeah. 
Really known about so that's 

779
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,100
cool. 
I know I think that it is pretty

780
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:57,900
admirable that he was able to 
write about the time like while 

781
00:44:57,900 --> 00:45:00,900
it was happening. 
I think, I think that's hard I 

782
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,000
because I like to write to and I
never really feel inclined to 

783
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,200
talk about like right now. 
Ya know what I mean. 

784
00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:08,200
Like a sense of like removal 
from it. 

785
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,100
Yeah. 
Like what's so special about it?

786
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:14,400
Yeah, totally. 
He also had a story in the 

787
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,900
Saturday evening, post, 
published called head and 

788
00:45:16,900 --> 00:45:20,500
shoulders and then he sold movie
rights to it to MGM. 

789
00:45:20,500 --> 00:45:23,700
So, he all of a sudden got like 
a bunch of money to celebrate. 

790
00:45:23,700 --> 00:45:27,200
He went to Cartier and bought a 
platinum and diamond watch. 

791
00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:30,600
Had it engraved from Scott to 
Zelda and mailed it to her. 

792
00:45:30,900 --> 00:45:32,600
Oh my gosh. 
Hmm. 

793
00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:36,200
And it was like $600 or 
something, which is insane for. 

794
00:45:36,300 --> 00:45:36,900
Back then. 
Yeah. 

795
00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:38,900
I mean that's a lot of money 
now. 

796
00:45:38,900 --> 00:45:39,700
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

797
00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:41,400
For a while. 
Yeah. 

798
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,000
Yeah. 
That's probably worth thousands 

799
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:49,300
of dollars today. 
I don't trust the mail. 

800
00:45:50,100 --> 00:45:51,900
Not living with him, though. 
He's. 

801
00:45:51,900 --> 00:45:53,400
Yeah. 
She's still in Montgomery. 

802
00:45:53,900 --> 00:45:56,400
Yeah. 
What's keeping her there, if 

803
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:01,700
they're engaged, well, kind of 
just taking that next step. 

804
00:46:01,700 --> 00:46:02,800
I guess. 
I don't think they could like, 

805
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,300
live together until they were 
actually married, and I don't 

806
00:46:05,300 --> 00:46:08,100
think he had like, actually I 
asked her dad for permission yet

807
00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:11,800
or anything. 
He took two trips to Montgomery 

808
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:16,600
to see her and apparently they 
resumed their sexual relations. 

809
00:46:16,700 --> 00:46:23,000
Oh maybe from his Ledger. 
I don't know, I guess her 

810
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,200
period. 
I'm sorry. 

811
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,500
Sheldon's got in the grave 
apparently. 

812
00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:35,100
Her period was late, and he sent
her some abortion pill, but she 

813
00:46:35,100 --> 00:46:36,700
refused to take them. 
Them. 

814
00:46:36,700 --> 00:46:39,300
Oh my God, but she must not have
been pregnant, because nothing 

815
00:46:39,300 --> 00:46:42,100
happened. 
It's all this family didn't 

816
00:46:42,100 --> 00:46:44,900
approve of Scott for her, and 
her mom would actually always 

817
00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:49,100
give her newspaper clippings 
about failed writers and stuff. 

818
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,800
They didn't want her to be with 
him but after his book showed up

819
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,000
in a bookstore in Montgomery, 
two days later. 

820
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,700
Their engagement was announced 
in the paper and selda traveled 

821
00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:03,300
up to New York to be with him 
and I guess the news shocked. 

822
00:47:03,300 --> 00:47:05,800
A lot of people in town and two 
guys thought they were going to 

823
00:47:05,808 --> 00:47:12,600
marry her That's what I thought 
I was gonna die. 

824
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,000
I know. 
I know yes. 

825
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,700
He like we thinks Gods like the 
main character in the story. 

826
00:47:18,700 --> 00:47:20,100
Really. 
Oh, good for him. 

827
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,600
Like that's like kind of trauma 
at this point in her life. 

828
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,500
Zelda was pretty proud to say, 
she didn't really have any 

829
00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:30,900
Ambitions, just wanted to have 
fun and she was kind of happy to

830
00:47:30,900 --> 00:47:34,800
just like assumes God's identity
in a way like she was just happy

831
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,600
to be his wife. 
Wife. 

832
00:47:36,700 --> 00:47:38,200
She was a smart girl. 
But like she? 

833
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,500
What she didn't really have any 
goals or anything. 

834
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:48,300
Yeah, sometimes gold hurt. 
I know January 17 1920 this when

835
00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:51,000
prohibition started. 
Oh yeah, mmm-hmm. 

836
00:47:51,700 --> 00:47:56,900
So now alcohol was illegal and 
everyone was underage and I 

837
00:47:56,900 --> 00:47:59,900
didn't really put it together 
like this until doing the 

838
00:47:59,900 --> 00:48:02,400
research, but if formed, I mean,
yeah, we all know this. 

839
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,300
But like, if formed such a 
culture around alcohol, it's 

840
00:48:05,300 --> 00:48:08,000
kind of like in School. 
I don't know if you guys are 

841
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,900
like this, but like there was a 
culture around drinking, like 

842
00:48:11,700 --> 00:48:12,800
meeting up with people in the 
hallway. 

843
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,800
Like who you want to drink, like
when we get alcohol, yeah, we 

844
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,300
can go with this person's 
basement and have a sleepover 

845
00:48:18,300 --> 00:48:22,300
this weekend, you know? 
Like oh, lifestyle built around 

846
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,100
out finding alcohol and it like,
it was you drank? 

847
00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:27,000
What? 
You could get? 

848
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,000
Yeah, like, you any, and when 
you got it, you drink a lot. 

849
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,000
Yeah, exactly. 
Know you because you couldn't 

850
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,400
have it and it was like, you 
didn't, you didn't drink, like 

851
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,100
good drink. 
Things like yeah, like pretty 

852
00:48:38,100 --> 00:48:41,900
much like straight up. 
Like yep, I don't know. 

853
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,300
And it was the same for 
prohibition-era because people 

854
00:48:45,300 --> 00:48:48,600
were drinking bootlegged, liquor
the people made in their 

855
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,100
bathtubs or whatever. 
And a lot of it tasted really 

856
00:48:51,100 --> 00:48:53,700
badly and that's actually why 
people started getting really 

857
00:48:53,700 --> 00:48:56,400
creative with cocktails to, 
like, cover up the taste. 

858
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,600
Oh wow, just cool. 
But yeah, they were going to 

859
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,500
speakeasies. 
Like, literally, what you think 

860
00:49:02,500 --> 00:49:03,700
in the movies? 
It was real. 

861
00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:06,800
Like when the cops come in they 
would like pull Very in the 

862
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,800
shelves, would flip over? 
Yeah. 

863
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,400
Bottles would like go down a 
chute. 

864
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,700
Like it's so cool. 
I went to the city Kesey about a

865
00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:15,200
month ago. 
That was really cool. 

866
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:19,600
Yeah. 
Like walk into a phone booth. 

867
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,500
Oh yeah. 
And then like say like oh like 

868
00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:27,000
we're coming. 
Yeah, the 1920s were just so 

869
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,800
cool and like women started 
carrying flask like under their 

870
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,900
skirts and people just, you 
know, wanting to party more than

871
00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:35,600
ever. 
Yeah. 

872
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:40,200
Totally Backfired, totally 
backfired on the American 

873
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,400
people. 
So, yeah, Zelda is got were 

874
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:47,600
already into drinking, but now 
they started drinking a lot, you

875
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:53,100
know, and I guess so, maybe she 
hadn't left for New York yet in 

876
00:49:53,100 --> 00:49:55,500
February 1920. 
She wrote a letter to him and 

877
00:49:55,500 --> 00:49:59,100
said, I just thought it was 
poetic and cute. 

878
00:49:59,100 --> 00:50:03,300
She wrote, you're a necessity 
and a luxury, and a darling, 

879
00:50:03,300 --> 00:50:06,100
precious lover, and you're going
to be a husband to your wife. 

880
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:11,200
Oh, how cute. 
So in April 3rd 1928, finally 

881
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,100
got married in st. 
Patrick's Cathedral. 

882
00:50:14,300 --> 00:50:17,100
Wow. 
We want their mouths in New 

883
00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:19,200
York. 
That's like did it to pay for 

884
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:20,600
that. 
That's crazy. 

885
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,600
I don't know. 
But it was actually very small 

886
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,400
only, like her sisters and his 
friends were there and his her 

887
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,400
sisters actually. 
Felt like, Scott didn't do a 

888
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,200
good job planning. 
It they didn't have like a 

889
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,800
luncheon after anything and I 
guess they always resented him 

890
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,800
for that. 
That after, after their wedding 

891
00:50:40,100 --> 00:50:43,300
and the book success, the 
fitzgeralds became celebrities 

892
00:50:43,300 --> 00:50:46,600
in Manhattan's most sought-after
couple ever. 

893
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,500
They were invited to every Chic 
party. 

894
00:50:48,500 --> 00:50:50,600
They were getting up to crazy 
things. 

895
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,500
They were dancing on tables. 
One time, Scott Road on a Taxis 

896
00:50:54,500 --> 00:50:56,300
roof. 
All Zelda was perched on the 

897
00:50:56,300 --> 00:50:58,600
hood. 
They're jumping into City 

898
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:03,100
fountains. 
Oh yeah, so the strip down naked

899
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,100
and ran down the street and 
jumped into a fountain. 

900
00:51:06,300 --> 00:51:10,000
Oh my God. 
Scott with Scott and his friend 

901
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,300
following. 
And after they jumped in the are

902
00:51:12,300 --> 00:51:16,600
confronted by the police. 
And apparently, she also does 

903
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,100
robed in Grand Central Station 
on her way to meet her friend, 

904
00:51:20,100 --> 00:51:25,200
George who's George? 
And okay, apparently, four 

905
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,400
months into marriage Zelda had 
an affair with this literary 

906
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:32,600
critic, George, Mike G, Nathan? 
What the fuck? 

907
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,500
Why don't you serve down in the 
station? 

908
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:40,700
The cop and of cameras. 
Yeah. 

909
00:51:41,100 --> 00:51:43,900
They were so famous like such an
IT couple that there is a 

910
00:51:43,900 --> 00:51:46,700
tabloid writer at Hearst, that 
was assigned to cover Justice 

911
00:51:46,700 --> 00:51:48,300
cotton Zelda. 
Wow. 

912
00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:53,300
So, you know, it's prohibition. 
People are partying more than 

913
00:51:53,300 --> 00:51:55,000
ever. 
They were drinking pretty much 

914
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,200
every day. 
I mean he was still writing 

915
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,800
every day too, but I guess like 
then at night, he would be 

916
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,300
drinking and her favorite 
cocktail. 

917
00:52:02,300 --> 00:52:05,100
I kind of want to make this next
time was called the Orange 

918
00:52:05,100 --> 00:52:07,400
Blossom. 
It's Usually, orange, sweetened 

919
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:12,100
orange juice and gin she drank 
orange blossoms like every day. 

920
00:52:12,900 --> 00:52:15,700
So then they know they're having
fun in Manhattan, but then they 

921
00:52:15,700 --> 00:52:17,900
went to Westport Long Island 
that summer. 

922
00:52:17,900 --> 00:52:21,200
So Scott could, like, focus more
on his writing and get away from

923
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:25,000
all the partying, but the 
partying kind of followed them. 

924
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:29,300
People just came to their house.
Zelda was, apparently openly 

925
00:52:29,300 --> 00:52:32,500
flirting with that guy George 
and to get back at her scotford 

926
00:52:32,500 --> 00:52:34,500
with several several other 
women. 

927
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,100
Yeah. 
Wow. 

928
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,300
Then I went back to the city and
Scott was working on his novel 

929
00:52:41,300 --> 00:52:44,800
every day and he's busy. 
So Zelda just kind of went out 

930
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,600
and flirted with all his friends
and in his diary, Scott's friend

931
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:56,100
Alex said she tried to kiss him 
oh no I don't know what like I 

932
00:52:56,107 --> 00:52:59,700
don't think they had an 
understanding, not only yeah. 

933
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,700
Like I don't think he was okay 
with it but in a way he kind of 

934
00:53:02,700 --> 00:53:06,100
he knew, I think he used it like
his inspiration for his books. 

935
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,200
But I feel like he likes the 
challenge of it. 

936
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,500
Yeah but I would imagine it's 
hard for her if she liked always

937
00:53:12,500 --> 00:53:16,700
had just so much attention from 
guys like left and right whole 

938
00:53:16,700 --> 00:53:19,200
life to then be married. 
It's like how do you turn that 

939
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,600
off? 
Yeah, yeah I know. 

940
00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:26,300
So that book his book that came 
out the side of paradise, they 

941
00:53:26,300 --> 00:53:28,900
were actually offered to play 
the main characters in the movie

942
00:53:28,900 --> 00:53:30,100
version. 
Wow. 

943
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,500
But Scott decided no because he 
thought it might damage his 

944
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,000
writing career and confused me. 
Leaders, which I guess. 

945
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:43,100
Yeah, why we we, I don't think 
he was an active, and Zelda was 

946
00:53:43,100 --> 00:53:44,800
very disappointed. 
And thought it was an 

947
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:49,400
opportunity, being snatched away
from her because he that lead 

948
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,500
into trouble. 
Yeah, then August 1920, just 

949
00:53:53,500 --> 00:53:57,100
just for context women, finally,
get the right to vote, oh night.

950
00:53:57,900 --> 00:54:04,000
So yeah, that wasn't a thing yet
March. 1921 Zelda actually 

951
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,500
became pregnant 10. 
Listen to their marriage. 

952
00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:12,000
Wow, definitely with his child. 
Yeah, I think so. 

953
00:54:12,100 --> 00:54:14,900
Okay, yeah, I don't know if she 
was like actually sleeping with 

954
00:54:14,900 --> 00:54:16,800
anyone or if she was just 
kissing guys. 

955
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,700
I don't know. 
But yeah, it's it's definitely 

956
00:54:19,700 --> 00:54:23,700
their child. 
They then at this point traveled

957
00:54:23,700 --> 00:54:26,400
to England, France and Italy. 
Wow. 

958
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,900
And I learned at this time that 
Pete, I didn't know that the 

959
00:54:28,908 --> 00:54:32,700
people would leave their address
with American American Express, 

960
00:54:32,700 --> 00:54:34,900
so people could locate each 
other abroad. 

961
00:54:35,100 --> 00:54:37,400
You know, that I don't have. 
Like an international phone book

962
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:38,900
type of pillow. 
Interesting. 

963
00:54:38,900 --> 00:54:43,800
Yeah, never heard of that song. 
That's cool but then yeah, they 

964
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,300
want to hear it. 
But then came back and then they

965
00:54:45,300 --> 00:54:49,000
went to st. 
Paul, where he's from and on 

966
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:55,000
October 26th, their daughter 
Francis Scott, Key Fitzgerald is

967
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:59,300
born Francis like the girl 
version Francis with an E, you 

968
00:54:59,300 --> 00:55:01,700
know, basically is the same 
exact name. 

969
00:55:01,700 --> 00:55:05,100
Oh yeah, Francis Scott. 
Key Fitzgerald and her nickname 

970
00:55:05,100 --> 00:55:07,300
is Scotty. 
Oh cute. 

971
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,400
Yeah, and crazy enough. 
This is the first time Zelda met

972
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,900
Scott's parents. 
Oh, when they went there she's 

973
00:55:14,900 --> 00:55:16,700
pregnant getting go to the I 
know. 

974
00:55:16,700 --> 00:55:19,700
Yeah, they didn't go to the 
wedding and Zelda was in labor 

975
00:55:19,700 --> 00:55:22,400
for a long time. 
I guess in Scott said that he 

976
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,400
would kill himself if she died 
very Twilight. 

977
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:30,900
Yeah, varied wildly. 
When Scotty was born I guess 

978
00:55:30,900 --> 00:55:33,000
they'll do was still really 
loopy because she had like 

979
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:37,400
anesthesia she said I hope it's 
a Hope, it's beautiful and a 

980
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,300
fool. 
A beautiful little fool. 

981
00:55:39,300 --> 00:55:43,800
Oh, so that's use that in Great 
Gatsby on interesting. 

982
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,600
Yep. 
So then November to June 19-22. 

983
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,600
That seven months, they rented a
house in lived in St. 

984
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,100
Paul. 
And not that long after Scotty 

985
00:55:54,100 --> 00:55:56,600
was born, like, a couple months 
later, she became pregnant 

986
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,700
again. 
But she didn't feel ready to 

987
00:55:58,700 --> 00:56:03,700
have another baby. 
So she took abortion pills and 

988
00:56:03,700 --> 00:56:06,000
Scott wrote in his Ledger, his 
son. 

989
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:10,500
Down the toilet of the XXX hotel
after dr. 

990
00:56:10,500 --> 00:56:12,400
X pills. 
Oh wow. 

991
00:56:13,300 --> 00:56:16,000
I didn't know that those pills 
were like accessible back then, 

992
00:56:16,300 --> 00:56:19,300
I know apparently. 
Yes, it seems like he was kind 

993
00:56:19,300 --> 00:56:20,800
of ashamed about it, like he 
did. 

994
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:25,200
He censored it in his own, kind 
of it, diary kind of sad, but I 

995
00:56:25,207 --> 00:56:30,000
don't know how I felt about it 
March. 1922 Scott, second novel,

996
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,500
the beautiful and the damned was
published in in the first 

997
00:56:33,500 --> 00:56:37,500
edition to he wrote in it. 
He dedicated to Zelda, he said, 

998
00:56:37,500 --> 00:56:41,200
for my darling wife, my dearest,
sweetest Babu, without whose 

999
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,200
love and Aid. 
Neither this book, or any other 

1000
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,000
would ever been possible from 
me? 

1001
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,000
Who loves her more than, who 
loves her, more every day with a

1002
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,400
heart full of worship for her. 
Lovely self, Scott. 

1003
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:55,700
And I guess that like firts 
copy, he put a lock of her hair 

1004
00:56:55,700 --> 00:56:58,500
and a blue ribbon and was 
pressed inside the cover. 

1005
00:56:58,500 --> 00:57:00,300
And I guess it's still there to 
this day. 

1006
00:57:00,300 --> 00:57:04,500
Wow, mmm. 
Once again, they were asked to 

1007
00:57:04,500 --> 00:57:07,600
play the main characters in a 
movie version but Scott 

1008
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,000
declined. 
And once again that very much 

1009
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:14,900
upset, so the and when they went
to see the movie, she was pissed

1010
00:57:14,900 --> 00:57:19,600
and said, loudly in the theater 
that was like, criticizing the 

1011
00:57:19,607 --> 00:57:21,700
performance. 
And Scott also said, he thought 

1012
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:26,200
was the worst movie ever, saw. 
I know. 

1013
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,900
Yeah, not not happy with me 
version. 

1014
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:32,600
That first Elda had encouraged. 
Scott to use her journal. 

1015
00:57:32,700 --> 00:57:35,400
Things you said for inspiration 
in his writing but now she was 

1016
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,500
getting kind of sick of it. 
Don't like the he was using so 

1017
00:57:38,500 --> 00:57:41,400
much of her for inspiration. 
It's sweet that he is though. 

1018
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,200
Yeah, I know but I think this is
when this is when she starts to 

1019
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,300
be like I want to make things I 
want to do things. 

1020
00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:54,600
She wasn't she didn't want to be
doing nothing and yeah let's add

1021
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:59,600
that you wanted to act in the 
films and I don't know if she 

1022
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:04,100
too like was she a good act? 
I don't think that they 

1023
00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:06,200
necessarily would have been able
to do that. 

1024
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:11,900
Yeah, October 1922, they 
returned East to New York and 

1025
00:58:11,900 --> 00:58:15,700
they rented a house on Long 
Island so Scott could focus on 

1026
00:58:15,700 --> 00:58:18,200
writing. 
So while they're living on Long 

1027
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,100
Island, Scott later said that 
this time was full of failure 

1028
00:58:21,100 --> 00:58:25,600
and miseries drinking and debt, 
people came to their house all 

1029
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,600
the time to party and I guess 
next door, was a bootlegger who 

1030
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,400
lived like a millionaire just so
Gatsby. 

1031
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:36,500
I know, They were drinking a lot
I guess one night Scott spent 43

1032
00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:39,500
dollars alone on alcohol which 
is like five hundred dollars 

1033
00:58:39,500 --> 00:58:43,400
today. 
My God and Zelda became so 

1034
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,400
intoxicated one night that she 
drove their Rolls-Royce off the 

1035
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,300
pier into the Great Neck Bay but
luckily the tide was out. 

1036
00:58:50,300 --> 00:58:54,400
Okay, geez. 
Yeah, I know they were not good 

1037
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,200
at. 
I think that because of the 

1038
00:58:56,200 --> 00:59:00,000
success like he had his first 
book and then the short story 

1039
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,500
the movie rights, like they had 
a lot of money at first. 

1040
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:06,400
They got used to spending it and
now they didn't have as much 

1041
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,800
money, but we're still kind of 
living lavishly. 

1042
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,500
Yeah, I didn't have that much 
money. 

1043
00:59:10,500 --> 00:59:14,700
So they were really just blowing
all their money and I guess got 

1044
00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:17,500
would get really obnoxious. 
When he was drunk one time, he 

1045
00:59:17,500 --> 00:59:20,900
chewed a wad of twenty dollar 
bills started. 

1046
00:59:20,900 --> 00:59:23,600
Proclaiming, I'm an alcoholic. 
Oh my God. 

1047
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:31,600
No, those bells are like and I 
guess they'll does. 

1048
00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:36,100
Zelda's sister and husband came 
to visit once for lunch, but 

1049
00:59:36,100 --> 00:59:38,700
when they arrived Scott and 
Zelda, we're still in bed with 

1050
00:59:38,700 --> 00:59:41,400
hangovers. 
That was so rude. 

1051
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:45,000
They're so secure the baby. 
They have like a nanny. 

1052
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,400
Okay. 
Yeah, I know. 

1053
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,100
Yeah, I think that they did 
really love Scotty and they did 

1054
00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:54,500
spend time with her but they 
were still up to their party and

1055
00:59:54,500 --> 00:59:57,300
stuff. 
I know, but people even though, 

1056
00:59:57,300 --> 00:59:59,600
like, they're getting pretty 
messy now people still thought 

1057
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:00,800
that they appeared to be the 
perfect. 

1058
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,000
Couple? 
Yeah, the editor Of the dial 

1059
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:05,800
Gilbert. 
Celled said that. 

1060
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,600
When he saw zeldin Scott, it was
like, seeing two of the most 

1061
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:12,000
beautiful people in the world 
floating toward me smiling. 

1062
01:00:12,300 --> 01:00:15,500
People said they saw them often 
locked in their own world 

1063
01:00:15,500 --> 01:00:19,100
talking, drinking kissing, 
sometimes falling asleep in each

1064
01:00:19,100 --> 01:00:23,300
others arms. 
Thank you, Zelda. 

1065
01:00:23,300 --> 01:00:26,200
Started writing short stories 
and having them published to 

1066
01:00:26,500 --> 01:00:29,100
what is encouraged to put 
Scott's name on the byline for 

1067
01:00:29,100 --> 01:00:30,900
more money. 
And sometimes there's just 

1068
01:00:30,900 --> 01:00:32,500
Scott's name. 
Oh. 

1069
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:34,500
It was pretty upsetting. 
Yes. 

1070
01:00:34,500 --> 01:00:37,700
It would be like Zelda and if 
Scott Fitzgerald. 

1071
01:00:37,700 --> 01:00:39,100
Yeah. 
And then the next it seemed like

1072
01:00:39,100 --> 01:00:44,100
he like helped her. 
Yeah, kind of sucked, but they 

1073
01:00:44,100 --> 01:00:46,300
were like, well, you'll make 
more money if it says, F Scott. 

1074
01:00:46,300 --> 01:00:49,300
Yeah, exactly. 
That's sad. 

1075
01:00:49,300 --> 01:00:53,800
Um, I can 24 they set sail for 
France where it was much cheaper

1076
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,600
to live because the exchange 
rate was way better for the 

1077
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:00,200
dollars favor and there they 
would feel more rich and free I 

1078
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,500
guess. 
Midnight a minute. 

1079
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:03,800
I'm Parris. 
Yep. 

1080
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,400
But then, yeah, they went to 
Paris, then they moved down to 

1081
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:12,900
the French Riviera and this is 
June 1924 Zelda began an affair 

1082
01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:17,000
with a French pilot named Edward
Chozen. 

1083
01:01:17,500 --> 01:01:23,600
And this has been Scott was 
writing The Great Gatsby, so I 

1084
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,200
could see for him. 
Like it's a Great Gatsby. 

1085
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:31,600
Like, That really is like 
drawing on inspiration from his 

1086
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,300
own relationship with her like 
feeling. 

1087
01:01:33,300 --> 01:01:34,900
Like he's just kind of not good 
enough. 

1088
01:01:35,100 --> 01:01:39,700
Yeah yeah true. 
I'm gonna pull out a little More

1089
01:01:45,300 --> 01:01:51,200
like in theme with the episode 
Drinkin Drinkin. 

1090
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:55,200
I cannot drink that much though.
I'll get some over tonight. 

1091
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:56,600
We're in general. 
In general. 

1092
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,800
Look at body. 
Just like, doesn't respond. 

1093
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:04,500
Well, I feel like Scott It was 
often said that he would have 

1094
01:02:04,500 --> 01:02:06,900
like, one drink and then being 
come so drunk. 

1095
01:02:06,900 --> 01:02:08,200
But then it seems like later in 
life. 

1096
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,100
I don't know if it's taller. 
One tolerance one up or 

1097
01:02:10,100 --> 01:02:11,700
something, but he was drinking 
more. 

1098
01:02:12,100 --> 01:02:14,000
But yeah, it seems like he 
actually was one of those people

1099
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,400
that for some reason his body 
just like didn't process on call

1100
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,500
that much. 
I could drink like every single 

1101
01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:22,000
day and my tolerance would not 
go up really? 

1102
01:02:22,100 --> 01:02:26,600
Yeah, I do think when you get 
older, it starts to not work. 

1103
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:32,400
Go down my bilirubin, my livers,
always elevated your, what my 

1104
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:33,400
Billy. 
Reuben? 

1105
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,100
I don't even know what that is. 
I'm in your liver. 

1106
01:02:36,100 --> 01:02:39,100
It's always whenever I get like 
a blood workup at the doctor's, 

1107
01:02:39,100 --> 01:02:41,800
it's always elevated. 
Do they tell you that or do you 

1108
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,900
just like, look at the they tell
me they're like, oh, some people

1109
01:02:44,900 --> 01:02:47,800
are just like that, but I'm 
like, is that why? 

1110
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,700
I don't really process alcohol 
that well, because my name is 

1111
01:02:50,700 --> 01:02:52,900
not that. 
Like, I don't even know what 

1112
01:02:52,900 --> 01:02:56,500
that does. 
I don't know sometimes if you're

1113
01:02:56,500 --> 01:02:59,300
a doctor, we're so lucky to have
you on this Earth. 

1114
01:03:00,300 --> 01:03:02,000
Thank you. 
I know a doctor. 

1115
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,300
Wow. 
I think that they're just so 

1116
01:03:04,300 --> 01:03:05,400
busy. 
I get it. 

1117
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,800
Yeah, but sometimes, I'm like, I
think doctors are not concerned 

1118
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:13,000
about things. 
I've told you this story, my 

1119
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,800
legs are going numb all the time
and no one was taking it 

1120
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,700
seriously. 
Yeah, I kind of had to look into

1121
01:03:18,700 --> 01:03:21,400
it myself and the lady at the 
health food store, help me. 

1122
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:25,900
Oh my God, but he was like, 
okay, hello. 

1123
01:03:25,900 --> 01:03:28,300
My legs are going completely, 
not in that case. 

1124
01:03:28,300 --> 01:03:31,600
I really bad and they're just 
like, it's because half so many 

1125
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,600
patients. 
Yeah, You're just like, they 

1126
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:37,400
just want to like get you in and
get you out of there and then 

1127
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,800
you like read your chart after 
and you're like what, why does 

1128
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,100
it say like yeah. 
I don't know. 

1129
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,700
I know something concerning. 
Oh, what happens? 

1130
01:03:46,700 --> 01:03:51,900
Yeah, sometimes actually Zelda 
was having, I didn't include it 

1131
01:03:51,900 --> 01:03:53,600
because I didn't think I had 
time, but she was having a lot 

1132
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:55,000
of issues. 
I think she was having, like 

1133
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,600
abdominal pain. 
She was Ill a lot when they're 

1134
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,700
in Europe. 
I think she ended up being like 

1135
01:04:00,700 --> 01:04:04,000
her appendix out or something, 
but I don't get how it seems 

1136
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,100
like it's going on. 
Going on for months though. 

1137
01:04:06,100 --> 01:04:07,600
Oh really? 
It was like an emergency? 

1138
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:12,500
Yeah, yeah. 
I don't know. 

1139
01:04:13,900 --> 01:04:15,200
Yeah. 
So they're in the French. 

1140
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:19,600
Riviera Scott is too busy to 
hang out with her. 

1141
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,200
He's working on The Great Gatsby
and they start making all these 

1142
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:23,500
friends. 
They were really good at making 

1143
01:04:23,500 --> 01:04:26,300
friends or maybe his friends and
friends and, you know, people 

1144
01:04:26,500 --> 01:04:29,900
but she started having an affair
with this French pilot named Ed 

1145
01:04:29,900 --> 01:04:35,700
Wood, it Ward and you Indeed, 
you o AR DS like the French. 

1146
01:04:35,700 --> 01:04:36,900
Hmm. 
Fine. 

1147
01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:41,400
And the book that book, I read 
called the Gatsby Affair. 

1148
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:45,700
By Kendall Taylor was so focused
on this affair. 

1149
01:04:45,700 --> 01:04:50,600
It was like, I do think it was a
huge part of their lives but she

1150
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:54,400
kind of made him be like a third
character in the whole story and

1151
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,900
I skipped something out of it 
because they're be like a whole 

1152
01:04:56,900 --> 01:05:00,900
chapter just about Edward and 
like his childhood and okay this

1153
01:05:00,900 --> 01:05:04,100
is not relevant but she I 
thought it was like a huge, huge

1154
01:05:04,100 --> 01:05:07,100
deal and Zelda's life. 
How long did it last for only 

1155
01:05:07,100 --> 01:05:09,500
about month? 
Oh snot yeah. 

1156
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:13,600
Yeah I know and like even you 
know later in their life when 

1157
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,300
they're older the book would 
tell you like what Edward was up

1158
01:05:16,300 --> 01:05:19,500
to. 
Oh it seems like she kind of I 

1159
01:05:19,500 --> 01:05:24,900
mean I do think it was a big 
deal in Zelda's life but I I'm 

1160
01:05:24,900 --> 01:05:26,900
sorry Kendall Taylor for 
listening but I feel like she 

1161
01:05:26,908 --> 01:05:30,200
just kind of came up with like 
this thesis like yeah I was in 

1162
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:35,600
love with handsome as me. 
Yeah, but I don't know. 

1163
01:05:35,700 --> 01:05:39,500
Did they write letters to each 
other after it ended, or never 

1164
01:05:39,500 --> 01:05:41,400
spoke again. 
And did she like, write in a 

1165
01:05:41,408 --> 01:05:43,200
journal about it? 
Like, there's no way to know 

1166
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:44,500
that it was. 
Yeah, well. 

1167
01:05:44,500 --> 01:05:49,600
So she wrote Delta wrote two 
novels one called save me, the 

1168
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:53,000
waltz in one called Caesars 
things and they both I think 

1169
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,100
both of them had correct me if 
I'm wrong people but both of 

1170
01:05:56,100 --> 01:05:59,200
them had part about having an 
affair with a pilot. 

1171
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:03,300
Okay? 
So it was obviously like a Big 

1172
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:08,900
deal in her life story but yeah,
during the summer that summer 

1173
01:06:08,900 --> 01:06:11,900
Scott was convinced that having 
sex with Des decreased his 

1174
01:06:11,900 --> 01:06:16,000
creativity. 
So he was practicing abstinence 

1175
01:06:16,300 --> 01:06:18,600
interesting. 
Hmm. 

1176
01:06:19,300 --> 01:06:24,400
Which probably in five 
overwhelmed, sell know who was 

1177
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:28,800
clearly into some. 
Yeah I think she's got needs. 

1178
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:30,600
I've heard of people doing stuff
like that. 

1179
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,100
Have you? 
Yeah yeah. 

1180
01:06:32,107 --> 01:06:34,000
Yeah. 
To concentrate. 

1181
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,200
I feel like I'm thinking more 
distracted. 

1182
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:40,900
I know some people think that 
they need to channel that energy

1183
01:06:40,900 --> 01:06:50,300
like yeah, whatever. 
I had a friend who believe that 

1184
01:06:50,300 --> 01:06:53,800
that would affect his athletic 
abilities. 

1185
01:06:53,800 --> 01:07:00,300
They know who I'm talking about.
No. 

1186
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:05,700
He's not my friend. 
I don't guess it was 

1187
01:07:08,900 --> 01:07:13,700
interesting. 
Yeah he told everybody maybe it 

1188
01:07:13,700 --> 01:07:16,700
just Fred but yeah just like 
keep this in. 

1189
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:19,400
Yeah, keep it in. 
They don't know where doc. 

1190
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,600
Yeah. 
Wow that's a lot of 

1191
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,600
self-control. 
I know I wonder if that's just 

1192
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,400
an excuse. 
Maybe there's also like a little

1193
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,700
bit of fear just in general but 
I don't know. 

1194
01:07:30,900 --> 01:07:35,400
I wonder if Scott was kind of 
making an excuse or for this 

1195
01:07:35,500 --> 01:07:37,600
100%. 
I want to say I wonder if he was

1196
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:41,800
like a little not less attracted
to him to Zelda but like didn't 

1197
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:45,600
we didn't want to sleep with her
after her Affair maybe and so. 

1198
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:49,000
Well at this point he doesn't 
know about the pilot but he did 

1199
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:52,800
know about I think like the 
other flirtations and stuff 

1200
01:07:53,900 --> 01:07:56,200
George. 
Yeah. 

1201
01:07:56,500 --> 01:08:00,900
So Zelda well he's being 
abstinent Zelda. 

1202
01:08:00,900 --> 01:08:04,100
Be can't begin. 
A whirlwind affair with Edward. 

1203
01:08:04,100 --> 01:08:08,300
And as I said that book, I read 
dedicated huge amount of it to 

1204
01:08:08,300 --> 01:08:11,900
him and Edward, actually spoke 
very little English and Zelda 

1205
01:08:11,900 --> 01:08:14,600
was only like proficient in 
French but they were very 

1206
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,800
attracted to each other. 
You spent a lot of time at the 

1207
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:21,500
beach where Scott didn't really 
go because he was ashamed of his

1208
01:08:21,500 --> 01:08:27,899
feet, okay? 
And I'm happy apparently until 

1209
01:08:27,899 --> 01:08:31,000
he was 12 years old, he never 
showed anybody his feet. 

1210
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,100
What's wrong with that? 
Well, I guess I don't know if it

1211
01:08:33,108 --> 01:08:36,300
was both of them are just one 
but his toes kind of like Criss 

1212
01:08:36,300 --> 01:08:39,800
crossed over each other and he's
very ashamed of that and he 

1213
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:42,500
always wore socks. 
Never took his psyche so it's 

1214
01:08:42,500 --> 01:08:44,000
one said something to him one 
time. 

1215
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,800
Yeah. 
Maybe I'm not somebody who gets 

1216
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:48,399
like really grossed out about 
feet. 

1217
01:08:48,399 --> 01:08:51,100
Be honest with you. 
Some people like really are like

1218
01:08:51,100 --> 01:08:54,100
be it. 
I don't ya me. 

1219
01:08:54,100 --> 01:08:57,000
I'm saying I don't love you but 
like I don't hate them either. 

1220
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:01,200
Like same time, you never likely
won't be like, yeah, people 

1221
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:04,300
really do. 
Got like yeah I stood by weird 

1222
01:09:04,300 --> 01:09:09,700
feet not I don't care. 
Yeah, I don't love them but same

1223
01:09:09,700 --> 01:09:13,100
they don't think pulse me either
because it's like I see fee 

1224
01:09:13,100 --> 01:09:17,500
every single day so it's like 
not crazy to see another pair of

1225
01:09:17,500 --> 01:09:20,399
feet. 
What about sorry listeners. 

1226
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:23,200
What about someone's feet there?
I really not cared for though, 

1227
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:27,100
like really, really wonky, gross
toenails. 

1228
01:09:27,100 --> 01:09:31,700
You know, if they smelled I 
think that like, other than 

1229
01:09:31,700 --> 01:09:33,700
that, I don't know. 
I just okay. 

1230
01:09:34,300 --> 01:09:36,100
Yeah. 
The human body in general, 

1231
01:09:36,100 --> 01:09:38,300
doesn't really gross me out too 
much good? 

1232
01:09:38,700 --> 01:09:41,100
Yeah, that's healthy. 
Yeah. 

1233
01:09:41,100 --> 01:09:44,399
It's Ed's got obviously, a lot 
of Shame on his feet. 

1234
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:46,200
So he didn't really go to the 
beach because he didn't like to 

1235
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:51,200
take his shoes off. 
Scott on July 13th. 1924 Scott 

1236
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:54,700
learned about the affair. 
Wow, I'm not really sure. 

1237
01:09:54,700 --> 01:09:57,400
I don't know if anybody really 
knows, but somehow he learned 

1238
01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:02,000
about it. 
And in The Ledger he will 

1239
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,500
actually maybe this is how he 
learned about heard about it. 

1240
01:10:04,900 --> 01:10:09,200
My next bullet point, no one 
knows. 

1241
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:14,100
We're talking in The Ledger. 
He said this was the big crisis 

1242
01:10:14,700 --> 01:10:18,500
and Zelda confessed. 
Her love to Edward and said that

1243
01:10:18,500 --> 01:10:24,200
he wants, she wanted a divorce. 
I know she said I love with him 

1244
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:28,900
and I want a divorce. 
And what happened next is kind 

1245
01:10:28,900 --> 01:10:31,000
of up in the air. 
There's like a couple different 

1246
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,100
stories. 
Scott told his relatives that he

1247
01:10:33,100 --> 01:10:37,500
tried to fight Edouard, but 
Edward refused to fight him. 

1248
01:10:37,900 --> 01:10:40,900
Some people think it went down, 
like, in The Great Gatsby where 

1249
01:10:40,900 --> 01:10:47,900
because he also, said, he made 
Edward, he told Zelda, to tell, 

1250
01:10:47,900 --> 01:10:51,700
Edward to comment like, claim 
her basically, like, come over 

1251
01:10:51,700 --> 01:10:54,400
here and say. 
Yeah, tell it to my face. 

1252
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,300
Yeah, the kind of like The Great
Gatsby. 

1253
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:57,600
Beware. 
What? 

1254
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,600
How's it go? 
It's like tell tell Tom you 

1255
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,300
never loved him and like she 
won't do it. 

1256
01:11:03,300 --> 01:11:05,000
I don't know. 
People think it might have kind 

1257
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,200
of gone down like this. 
But apparently the confrontation

1258
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:11,700
never occurred and Scott also 
claimed that he locked cells in 

1259
01:11:11,700 --> 01:11:15,800
her room until Edward came to 
claim her but he never did. 

1260
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,400
Oh, that's sad. 
I know. 

1261
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:23,200
And apparently Edward didn't, 
actually, I don't think he 

1262
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:25,900
actually wanted Zelda to leave 
her husband for him. 

1263
01:11:25,900 --> 01:11:28,400
I think he's Is more of like a 
casual thing. 

1264
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:30,700
I don't think he was actually 
planning on. 

1265
01:11:30,700 --> 01:11:34,300
Yeah, Mary we should ever is 
fucked up and she really got 

1266
01:11:34,300 --> 01:11:37,800
swept up in it and I think she 
was really heartbroken from the 

1267
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:39,400
whole thing. 
Yeah. 

1268
01:11:39,500 --> 01:11:41,900
So I can see why. 
Yeah, I thought it was like, 

1269
01:11:41,900 --> 01:11:45,200
very significant. 
Yeah but it is it is crazy. 

1270
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:48,000
Like I don't know, I guess 
Selden Scott seemed happy and 

1271
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,500
then all of a sudden maybe not 
all of a sudden but she just was

1272
01:11:51,500 --> 01:11:55,900
ready to leave him for this guy.
And Scott actually he wrote that

1273
01:11:55,900 --> 01:11:59,400
he always I felt like Zelda was 
looking for a more powerful male

1274
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:02,800
like Edward. 
He wrote he wrote, I am half 

1275
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,600
feminine. 
That is my mind is in the last 

1276
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,400
analysis, she is a stronger 
person than I am. 

1277
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:11,100
I have creative fire but I am a 
weak individual. 

1278
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,300
She knows this and really looks 
upon me as a woman. 

1279
01:12:15,100 --> 01:12:17,900
Oh, that's what he thought 
least. 

1280
01:12:18,300 --> 01:12:21,300
Yeah, well I mean there's 
something very like emasculating

1281
01:12:21,300 --> 01:12:25,100
to about a man getting cheated 
on me so I could see kind of 

1282
01:12:25,100 --> 01:12:28,000
what he would think that. 
And at this point I think he's 

1283
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:30,000
been too young quite. 
Yeah. 

1284
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,000
Yeah, and he's doesn't leave 
her. 

1285
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:36,500
I know it's really sad, but it 
kind of reminds me of like, Joe,

1286
01:12:36,500 --> 01:12:39,900
DiMaggio and Marilyn Monroe in a
way where it's like, well you 

1287
01:12:39,900 --> 01:12:42,900
knew she was like this. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1288
01:12:43,300 --> 01:12:45,200
And I think that's a part of it 
though. 

1289
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:48,100
Like, he was attracted to like 
that that other people found her

1290
01:12:48,100 --> 01:12:53,600
attractive because it's the like
prize of Lego but she chose me. 

1291
01:12:53,700 --> 01:12:54,600
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1292
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:58,400
I mean, I feel like women feel 
like that all the time. 

1293
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:02,000
Like a guy is like a bachelor. 
Something a bad boy. 

1294
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,600
Yeah. 
Like idea of like oh but like, 

1295
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:06,700
they'll settle down for me. 
Yeah. 

1296
01:13:06,700 --> 01:13:09,200
But I think he wanted that and 
Caroline make anybody change 

1297
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:10,800
their ways? 
I know. 

1298
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,700
Joe DiMaggio was totally like 
that to like he knew Marilyn was

1299
01:13:15,700 --> 01:13:20,000
like this sexy lady like you 
know, her job was basically 

1300
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,900
being sexy but he wanted her to 
change for him. 

1301
01:13:22,900 --> 01:13:25,600
Yeah. 
Yeah, you can't really expect 

1302
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:31,100
that right now. 
If you're listening guys, look 

1303
01:13:31,100 --> 01:13:34,800
at be easier to find someone 
who's not very flirty and sexy 

1304
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:39,100
and then they change to be. 
Yeah, yeah, for you. 

1305
01:13:39,100 --> 01:13:41,100
You have for yeah. 
Yeah, just for you. 

1306
01:13:41,100 --> 01:13:47,000
Yeah, easier. 
Um, and she likes all that. 

1307
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,700
Definitely had like a very 
sexual fiery energy in Scott. 

1308
01:13:50,700 --> 01:13:53,500
I guess did not really. 
And I kind of said this earlier,

1309
01:13:53,500 --> 01:13:57,800
but his friend, Oscar Kalman, I 
don't how many freakin friends I

1310
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:02,300
had, but Um, wrote about him and
said about Scott and said he was

1311
01:14:02,300 --> 01:14:05,700
not very interested in sex. 
Dot, dot dot, not very Lively 

1312
01:14:05,700 --> 01:14:08,600
male animal. 
Scott like the idea of sex for 

1313
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:12,000
its romance and daring but was 
not strongly sexed and inclined 

1314
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:16,900
to feel the ACT is not strongly 
sexed and he was inclined to 

1315
01:14:16,900 --> 01:14:19,600
feel that actual Act of sex was 
messy. 

1316
01:14:19,900 --> 01:14:24,300
It's very that's so interesting 
though, because I feel like a 

1317
01:14:24,300 --> 01:14:27,700
lot of women would actually love
that. 

1318
01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:32,100
The right of him cheating on. 
You is so small be crew. 

1319
01:14:32,100 --> 01:14:34,200
He's sex is a very romantic 
thing. 

1320
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:37,200
He's not looking for it from 
other people but it's so 

1321
01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:39,900
interesting that he's then 
gravitating towards a woman 

1322
01:14:39,900 --> 01:14:42,500
who's like, yeah, outwardly. 
Sexy. 

1323
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,700
Yeah. 
So, you know, he's a kind of 

1324
01:14:45,700 --> 01:14:49,700
setting himself up I know in 
August he wrote in his Ledger 

1325
01:14:50,300 --> 01:14:57,700
Zelda and I close together so I 
guess they were the affair thing

1326
01:14:57,700 --> 01:14:59,000
blew up in jail. 
Why? 

1327
01:15:00,100 --> 01:15:02,600
But I guess in August, he felt 
like they were better. 

1328
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:05,900
But then he wrote also about the
affair. 

1329
01:15:05,900 --> 01:15:09,300
I knew something had happened 
that could never be repaired. 

1330
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:12,200
Hmm. 
And that's where I was going to 

1331
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:18,100
end part 1 actually. 
Can it be repaired? 

1332
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:22,100
I don't know. 
Well, I dunno, but it's only 

1333
01:15:22,100 --> 01:15:26,500
1924, but I felt like so much 
happened in the beginning of the

1334
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,000
relationship. 
Yeah. 

1335
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:33,300
Oh, that is a cliffhanger 
really. 

1336
01:15:33,300 --> 01:15:36,600
Yeah, I don't know how it's 
gonna, I honestly don't know. 

1337
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:38,300
They're look the rest of their 
relationship. 

1338
01:15:38,300 --> 01:15:41,300
Like, do they live old together 
and like die as a married? 

1339
01:15:41,300 --> 01:15:46,400
Couple II to be honest, truth. 
Be told, I do not know, I guess 

1340
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:49,100
you'll find again. 
Is it tragically? 

1341
01:15:49,100 --> 01:15:58,000
Because it Yeah, it is pretty 
tragic but but it's not 

1342
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:02,600
completely dark and black and 
terrible, but mmm. 

1343
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:07,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
It doesn't seem like it's going 

1344
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:08,600
in a good direction to be honest
with you. 

1345
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:10,600
I know. 
Yeah. 

1346
01:16:12,100 --> 01:16:13,600
Well yeah. 
I guess we can't really tease 

1347
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:18,100
next week. 
I think you guys know next week.

1348
01:16:18,100 --> 01:16:19,600
Yeah. 
Well on patreon will be 

1349
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continuing The story was there. 
Anything else you wanted to chat

1350
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,700
about before we sign off? 
I think. 

1351
01:16:28,700 --> 01:16:34,200
So, was there anything like 
extra That last episode I was 

1352
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:37,100
saying, I want to Lana and John 
Mayer to be together, but she's 

1353
01:16:37,100 --> 01:16:41,700
engaged now in her songs in The 
Great Gatsby movie. 

1354
01:16:41,700 --> 01:16:49,500
So yeah, lighted did. 
Yeah, I think so. 

1355
01:16:49,500 --> 01:16:55,200
Yeah. 
So I was maybe you never know. 

1356
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:58,700
I mean, I want her to, I want 
her to have a successful 

1357
01:16:58,700 --> 01:17:00,200
engagement and marriage and 
stuff. 

1358
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:03,800
So I hope I was wrong. 
Poor John. 

1359
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:07,100
Yeah, he'll find some. 
I will trigger somebody. 

1360
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:11,300
He'll find someone. 
Yeah, he'll think I'll date him 

1361
01:17:11,900 --> 01:17:16,200
Johnny. 
Honestly, I honestly like II am 

1362
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:19,500
stupid. 
He's cheating. 

1363
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:24,000
Yeah, I like, I think so. 
He's a little, he's kind of has 

1364
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:25,700
elbow tight. 
He is. 

1365
01:17:25,900 --> 01:17:29,300
He is, he is a hopeless romantic
though, John Mayer. 

1366
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:32,900
Yeah, I think so too. 
And make she clearly He is 

1367
01:17:32,900 --> 01:17:36,600
romantic to I mean, she wrote 
really speed things, I didn't 

1368
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:38,900
read them all obviously what she
wrote very very, very lovely 

1369
01:17:38,900 --> 01:17:41,900
things to Scott. 
She would kind of sprinkle in 

1370
01:17:41,900 --> 01:17:45,800
some questionable things do. 
But yes. 

1371
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:48,700
Would you say that like 
attention was her currency in a 

1372
01:17:48,700 --> 01:17:51,800
sense? 
Like maybe her if her whole like

1373
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:55,400
adolescence like getting 
attention from boys with 

1374
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,700
something that like meet her, 
the most popular powerful girl 

1375
01:17:58,700 --> 01:18:01,100
in town. 
Yeah, it's gonna be really hard 

1376
01:18:01,100 --> 01:18:05,100
as you get older and your a 
married Men and like and you 

1377
01:18:05,100 --> 01:18:07,300
don't have a job. 
You're not allowed to act in 

1378
01:18:07,300 --> 01:18:08,700
these movies, you want? 
Yeah. 

1379
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:10,900
Don't get the credit for your 
writing. 

1380
01:18:10,900 --> 01:18:13,000
Yeah. 
Like what else does she have? 

1381
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,500
Exactly. 
She's still she's getting like 

1382
01:18:15,500 --> 01:18:18,200
power from her interactions with
men. 

1383
01:18:18,300 --> 01:18:21,000
Yeah I think she was starting to
feel really restless. 

1384
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:25,000
Yeah. 
Looking for some kind of Outlet.

1385
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:28,700
Yeah. 
Just like guys can just be so 

1386
01:18:28,700 --> 01:18:32,200
entertaining. 
I'm really bored and like I just

1387
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:35,200
want Like, yeah, I'm from the 
guy. 

1388
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:41,600
Yeah, their relationship 
definitely changes a lot in part

1389
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:47,800
two, I would say. 
Well, I don't know. 

1390
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:50,000
I feel like that 153 fast. 
Actually, it did. 

1391
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:53,300
Yeah, I'm excited for the next 
episode. 

1392
01:18:54,100 --> 01:18:57,900
Thank you guys so much for 
listening and we'll get back 

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01:18:57,900 --> 01:19:00,700
together next week. 
We'll see you then.