1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:08,480 Are you long time tonight? Do you miss me tonight? 2 00:00:09,040 --> 00:00:13,160 Are you? Sorry we drifted apart? 3 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,880 Does your men? And we're back. 4 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,760 Hi, guys. Welcome to significant lovers. 5 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,160 We are your hosts. My name is Mel. 6 00:00:25,240 --> 00:00:27,920 I'm Kel. And we are two cousins. 7 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:33,160 Two cousins. And this is our 54th episode of 8 00:00:33,160 --> 00:00:35,880 Significant Lovers. It's flying by. 9 00:00:36,160 --> 00:00:40,400 It's fall finally October. Halloween, she says. 10 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,600 Fall is our season for significant lovers. 11 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,000 It's the brand. It's our brand. 12 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,400 It's our thing for us. It's fall all year long. 13 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:53,320 Yep, but now it's. Super Fall Melo actually went 14 00:00:53,480 --> 00:00:57,360 all out for fall. She has, so far, pumpkins she 15 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:04,030 bought pumpkin bars, pumpkin bread, Maple fudge. 16 00:01:04,069 --> 00:01:05,550 Uh, huh. What else did you get? 17 00:01:05,590 --> 00:01:09,790 A Candles pumpkin we have. I think they're apple cinnamon. 18 00:01:10,030 --> 00:01:14,070 We have cider, donut and spider inspired cider right now. 19 00:01:14,190 --> 00:01:16,270 It's so comforting. It fall. 20 00:01:16,950 --> 00:01:19,590 I think it's a great time of year to fall in love too. 21 00:01:20,460 --> 00:01:22,780 Well, it's cuffing season. It is. 22 00:01:22,780 --> 00:01:24,620 I never heard of that until like two years ago. 23 00:01:24,700 --> 00:01:26,340 Yeah, I mean, it totally makes sense. 24 00:01:26,340 --> 00:01:29,420 I mean, even just the other day I was walking at night and I was 25 00:01:29,420 --> 00:01:32,380 like, I really want to cuddle right now. 26 00:01:32,380 --> 00:01:36,100 I feel like, honestly, summer. Summer can make you like, I 27 00:01:36,500 --> 00:01:38,980 don't know if I should say this. It can make you feel like always 28 00:01:39,100 --> 00:01:40,800 say it. Start sea in a way, you know 29 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,120 what I mean? I think people are very 30 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,920 distracted in summer. Yes, I think that's a hard time. 31 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:47,440 We're. Busy hard time to start a 32 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,960 longterm romance because people go off on vacation and then you 33 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,680 never hear from them again. Yeah, exactly. 34 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,920 But once it starts, the sun starts setting earlier and it's 35 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,320 darker. You want to be cozied up inside 36 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:06,880 with somebody and it's colder. You're less motivated to mingle 37 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,180 sometimes, and it's easier. Like settle, Not settle. 38 00:02:11,340 --> 00:02:14,500 But yeah, And you want to do things like go to the movies. 39 00:02:14,540 --> 00:02:17,700 Exactly. It just feels more romantic too. 40 00:02:17,740 --> 00:02:19,780 Exactly. And in the summer, you're like, 41 00:02:19,780 --> 00:02:21,340 sweaty. You feel kind of gross 42 00:02:21,460 --> 00:02:23,780 sometimes. After a date, you're like, don't 43 00:02:23,780 --> 00:02:26,140 touch me, because I definitely smell right now. 44 00:02:26,140 --> 00:02:30,540 No, that's true. Yeah, so Fall and When Harry Met 45 00:02:30,540 --> 00:02:32,220 Sally, you know, that sort of thing. 46 00:02:32,220 --> 00:02:34,860 That's our inspiration. You know what I just this is 47 00:02:34,860 --> 00:02:37,300 nothing to do with the episode. I just rewatched Sleepless in 48 00:02:37,300 --> 00:02:39,460 Seattle. Oh, I haven't rewatched it in 49 00:02:39,460 --> 00:02:41,340 years. Yeah, I only saw that one time 50 00:02:41,340 --> 00:02:44,700 with you and we were both a little under impressed. 51 00:02:45,340 --> 00:02:48,980 We were. Compared to the other two in the 52 00:02:48,980 --> 00:02:52,580 Big Three You Got Mail and When Harry Met Sally. 53 00:02:52,580 --> 00:02:56,210 But I really did like it. Upon the rewatch, I should 54 00:02:56,210 --> 00:02:58,890 rewatch it. Still my least favorite, but of 55 00:02:58,890 --> 00:03:02,090 the three, yeah, I would say. Is there any fall in it? 56 00:03:02,290 --> 00:03:04,970 Just wondering. I would say it's more Christmas. 57 00:03:04,970 --> 00:03:06,770 OK, OK, great. Yeah. 58 00:03:06,890 --> 00:03:09,410 Yeah, we should watch. I mean, yeah. 59 00:03:09,650 --> 00:03:11,650 Rosie O'Donnell is in it. Really. 60 00:03:11,690 --> 00:03:14,650 I really like her. Yeah, I like Rosie O'Donnell 61 00:03:14,690 --> 00:03:15,010 too. She's. 62 00:03:15,010 --> 00:03:16,370 So funny. So funny. 63 00:03:16,610 --> 00:03:17,650 So charming. Oh my gosh. 64 00:03:17,650 --> 00:03:19,850 I love her. In a league of their own. 65 00:03:19,890 --> 00:03:27,130 Yeah. Well, today segue into today's 66 00:03:27,130 --> 00:03:34,770 couple is a Halloween couple. That was my inspiration for 67 00:03:34,770 --> 00:03:37,570 picking this episode. Now we don't have to do themes 68 00:03:37,570 --> 00:03:40,050 with the couples, but kind of want to do. 69 00:03:40,050 --> 00:03:43,170 And I was thinking, who can I do for Halloween, you know? 70 00:03:43,890 --> 00:03:47,090 And I had a couple ideas, but some of them I felt like I 71 00:03:47,090 --> 00:03:51,500 couldn't pull off and I asked my sisters for advice. 72 00:03:51,500 --> 00:03:55,620 I was really searching. And Shannon, I think suggested 73 00:03:55,620 --> 00:04:00,860 what about Neil Patrick Harris and his husband David Burka? 74 00:04:01,420 --> 00:04:05,660 Reason being, they are super into Halloween. 75 00:04:05,660 --> 00:04:07,700 I love that insanely into Halloween. 76 00:04:07,700 --> 00:04:12,820 Every year their whole family dresses up all in matching, you 77 00:04:12,820 --> 00:04:15,860 know, theme costumes. They're so into it and they 78 00:04:15,860 --> 00:04:20,130 didn't have a Halloween related scandal a couple years ago, so. 79 00:04:20,250 --> 00:04:24,610 Okay, But there is way more to them than that isn't. 80 00:04:24,610 --> 00:04:27,130 They're not just about Halloween costumes, but it'll be fun. 81 00:04:27,130 --> 00:04:29,410 But I love that they share in that passion. 82 00:04:29,570 --> 00:04:32,930 I will say there's nothing I hate more than when you go to a 83 00:04:32,930 --> 00:04:36,730 Halloween party or a costume party and some people do not 84 00:04:36,730 --> 00:04:38,060 give it their all. Yeah. 85 00:04:38,140 --> 00:04:41,420 And I'm sorry if you're one of those people listening, Let's 86 00:04:41,420 --> 00:04:44,060 have fun. Yeah, you know, does somebody 87 00:04:44,060 --> 00:04:46,780 have to give it their all or you at least want to see? 88 00:04:46,860 --> 00:04:48,220 Dress up. Just dress up. 89 00:04:48,260 --> 00:04:49,940 You don't dress up. That's my pet pee. 90 00:04:49,940 --> 00:04:52,100 I know. I hate that for a themed party. 91 00:04:52,100 --> 00:04:56,380 When people just go in their regular I knows don't come. 92 00:04:56,500 --> 00:04:57,300 I don't like that. Either. 93 00:04:57,460 --> 00:05:01,220 Yeah, because you know what? That puts the fear in other 94 00:05:01,220 --> 00:05:03,470 people. What if I'm the only one You 95 00:05:03,470 --> 00:05:06,150 know? What about people who do a 96 00:05:06,150 --> 00:05:11,550 really lazy one like, oh, I'm wearing yesterday's outfit or? 97 00:05:12,030 --> 00:05:14,870 Something like I don't really. I'm dressed as myself. 98 00:05:14,870 --> 00:05:17,790 No, doesn't count. You didn't wear a costume. 99 00:05:18,150 --> 00:05:19,430 Put it in a little effort. Like people. 100 00:05:19,710 --> 00:05:21,430 People are so afraid. I know. 101 00:05:22,310 --> 00:05:25,950 Like outside the box. Or to not to be seen. 102 00:05:25,990 --> 00:05:30,710 I love that. I love that they are so into 103 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,160 themes. Throwing parties, dressing up, 104 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,440 coming up with games, getting everybody involved, like 105 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,080 thinking of every possible little thing, I think. 106 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,360 Those things really strengthen a relationship. 107 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,920 Yeah. When people are able to be, 108 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,280 like, weird together, Yeah, they definitely are weird together. 109 00:05:48,280 --> 00:05:52,480 It's cute. I never had too much of an 110 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,550 investment in Neil Patrick Harris. 111 00:05:55,550 --> 00:05:56,750 I hope that doesn't upset anybody. 112 00:05:56,790 --> 00:05:58,310 I've never seen How I Met your mother. 113 00:05:58,670 --> 00:06:01,230 I've seen a little bit of it in my friends. 114 00:06:01,230 --> 00:06:04,910 Some of them are into it. I've seen him in a couple random 115 00:06:04,910 --> 00:06:07,230 things too. Yeah, like Gone Girl. 116 00:06:07,390 --> 00:06:09,710 Is that what he's gone, girl? For though, How I Met Your 117 00:06:09,710 --> 00:06:12,150 Mother, Yeah, definitely How I Met Your Mother. 118 00:06:12,750 --> 00:06:16,910 He also was a teenage star on the show Doogie Howser, but that 119 00:06:16,910 --> 00:06:19,510 was kind of before our time. And I didn't know anything about 120 00:06:19,510 --> 00:06:22,510 David Burka, but I was intrigued. 121 00:06:22,590 --> 00:06:25,190 The Halloween costumes I think got me interested and. 122 00:06:25,230 --> 00:06:26,310 They've been together a long time. 123 00:06:26,510 --> 00:06:32,590 It was a long time and we haven't yet covered a gay couple 124 00:06:32,590 --> 00:06:36,590 of two men, which I don't know how that happened. 125 00:06:36,750 --> 00:06:41,790 We have had, we have had a couple with women but. 126 00:06:42,190 --> 00:06:46,710 Yeah, yeah, there's the unfortunate reality. 127 00:06:46,710 --> 00:06:48,550 We've said this on the podcast before. 128 00:06:49,070 --> 00:06:54,950 Is there are not as many high profile gay couples, which is so 129 00:06:54,950 --> 00:06:57,150 unfortunate, but I hope that that changes. 130 00:06:57,230 --> 00:07:00,310 I know it is shocking. I mean there are some obviously, 131 00:07:00,310 --> 00:07:03,550 but there's only a couple high profile ones. 132 00:07:03,590 --> 00:07:06,030 And I mean I want to do this show for a long time. 133 00:07:06,030 --> 00:07:08,950 So it's like, OK, we do Elton John, Freddie Mercury, It's 134 00:07:08,950 --> 00:07:11,390 like, OK, who's left? Yeah, exactly. 135 00:07:11,390 --> 00:07:14,630 And there are some others that I am interested in, but I think 136 00:07:15,340 --> 00:07:18,660 they're kind of obscure, like the guys from 13 Reasons Why. 137 00:07:18,780 --> 00:07:21,300 Yeah, And then there's a couple. I don't know what you guys 138 00:07:21,300 --> 00:07:23,140 think. Like, my sister has recommended 139 00:07:23,660 --> 00:07:27,060 some ideas to us, but they're not officially out. 140 00:07:27,420 --> 00:07:30,060 They're kind of speculative. And yeah, I don't know. 141 00:07:30,060 --> 00:07:32,460 I know. That is good to cover. 142 00:07:32,460 --> 00:07:35,420 I know that will come up later in that episode actually, 143 00:07:36,700 --> 00:07:40,820 because Neil's asked about that. But yeah, so it's it's been 144 00:07:42,740 --> 00:07:47,110 missing from the couple's the Hall of Flames so far. 145 00:07:47,350 --> 00:07:52,030 But I I also thought from the outside before I did any 146 00:07:52,030 --> 00:07:57,310 research, I thought that Neil and David seemed almost perfect. 147 00:07:57,390 --> 00:07:59,350 That's what I think. And I thought they seemed 148 00:07:59,350 --> 00:08:01,230 boring. Yeah, yeah. 149 00:08:01,550 --> 00:08:04,870 And maybe if you're listening to this, you might be thinking the 150 00:08:04,870 --> 00:08:07,470 same thing. But then I started thinking, 151 00:08:07,470 --> 00:08:09,950 because I just did my first started my research. 152 00:08:09,950 --> 00:08:14,280 I found out that Neil had dated women before and then it was 153 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:18,440 making me think like, oh man, did he feel like he had to 154 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,240 pretend early in his career? Like, that's interesting. 155 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,640 We haven't really talked a lot about. 156 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,440 That especially because the characters that he's played, 157 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,400 correct me if I'm wrong. Again, I'm not as familiar with 158 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,000 How I Met Your Mother, but he's been like a notorious womanizer 159 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:38,919 in his roles, and so I could see, especially in the 2000s, it 160 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:46,990 being risky to be openly out. Because that may make his acting 161 00:08:46,990 --> 00:08:50,390 less believable to some people. It's true. 162 00:08:50,430 --> 00:08:53,470 A lot of people were concerned about that. 163 00:08:53,710 --> 00:08:58,110 But yeah, Neil, Dr. Carris was one of the kind of one of the 164 00:08:58,110 --> 00:09:01,550 first openly gay actors. They've been a couple others, 165 00:09:01,550 --> 00:09:07,500 but they're one of the few longterm gay male couples too, 166 00:09:07,660 --> 00:09:09,300 you know? Yeah, because they've been 167 00:09:09,300 --> 00:09:11,900 together 19. Wow. 168 00:09:11,980 --> 00:09:13,780 I mean, just by Hollywood standpoints. 169 00:09:13,780 --> 00:09:16,620 Yeah. Standpoint stand. 170 00:09:16,620 --> 00:09:17,540 Is that a word? Yeah. 171 00:09:18,700 --> 00:09:20,700 Right. Just you say some standards. 172 00:09:21,340 --> 00:09:24,460 Standards. OK, yeah, standpoints standpoint 173 00:09:24,460 --> 00:09:27,300 is a word. Sometimes I say things I'm like, 174 00:09:27,700 --> 00:09:30,700 that sounds funky. Yeah, that is rare. 175 00:09:30,700 --> 00:09:33,540 Yeah, that's really sweet. So what 3 words would you use to 176 00:09:33,540 --> 00:09:37,580 describe them? I came up with fun. 177 00:09:38,180 --> 00:09:40,020 Love it. Eclectic. 178 00:09:40,180 --> 00:09:45,460 Oh, and a capillary queen over here and passionate. 179 00:09:45,900 --> 00:09:49,660 Oh, OK, All positive. Yeah, they're all positive. 180 00:09:50,700 --> 00:09:52,260 Yeah, we usually end with negative. 181 00:09:52,620 --> 00:09:55,900 Like Passionate. Romantic. 182 00:09:56,420 --> 00:09:59,420 Toxic. Caring. 183 00:09:59,740 --> 00:10:01,300 Silly. Obsessive. 184 00:10:01,660 --> 00:10:04,460 Yeah. Jealous. 185 00:10:05,270 --> 00:10:08,790 We always end with the bad. I like that. 186 00:10:08,790 --> 00:10:12,310 It's all positive, Yeah, but it's not boring, I swear. 187 00:10:12,870 --> 00:10:16,110 OK, but who is Neil Patrick Harris? 188 00:10:16,230 --> 00:10:19,390 Love A. Three name person I know NPH. 189 00:10:20,110 --> 00:10:22,430 We could also call him. We could also call him Neil. 190 00:10:22,430 --> 00:10:25,750 I'm gonna switch off. Wait, I never thought about the 191 00:10:25,750 --> 00:10:28,190 fact that his name is Neil. His name is Neil. 192 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,840 Neil, wait, that is a weird like Sarah Jessica Parker? 193 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:34,960 She's Sarah. I know. 194 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,720 We know. To us, he's just Neil Patrick 195 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,360 Harris. The reason he goes by Neil 196 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,400 Patrick Harris is when this happens all the time. 197 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,240 When he was entering this green Actors Guild, there was already 198 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,960 an actor named Neil Harris. So she's just middle name. 199 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:50,960 Yeah. Yeah. 200 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,440 So, Neil, he's known for Doogie Howser, How I Met Your Mother, 201 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,840 Gone Girl. He's recently in Series of 202 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,800 Unfortunate Events and many Broadway performances. 203 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:08,560 But before that, he was born June 15th, 1973 in Albuquerque, 204 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:14,960 NM, and he grew up in Ruidoso, NM with his parents Sheila and 205 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,480 Ronald and his older brother. His parents were lawyers who 206 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,610 also ran a restaurant. I was puzzled how they had time 207 00:11:22,610 --> 00:11:24,050 for that. But then I thought maybe they 208 00:11:24,050 --> 00:11:25,970 were lawyers first, then restaurant. 209 00:11:26,010 --> 00:11:27,970 I don't know. Yeah, but lawyer is a 210 00:11:27,970 --> 00:11:31,890 notoriously busy job and so is owning a restaurant. 211 00:11:31,890 --> 00:11:34,010 So maybe they. Owned it, but like, they just 212 00:11:34,010 --> 00:11:36,570 had, like, yeah, maybe they're in it and they hired other 213 00:11:36,650 --> 00:11:38,330 people to do them daytoday stuff. 214 00:11:38,450 --> 00:11:40,010 Maybe they didn't really do anything. 215 00:11:40,130 --> 00:11:40,930 Yeah. I don't know. 216 00:11:41,010 --> 00:11:44,370 Or maybe they had a law degree but they didn't. 217 00:11:44,450 --> 00:11:46,370 Like, you can be a lawyer, but not a practicing lawyer. 218 00:11:48,610 --> 00:11:50,770 You know, I didn't investigate it too much because it felt a 219 00:11:50,770 --> 00:11:54,890 little bit irrelevant, relevant, but let us know. 220 00:11:55,290 --> 00:12:00,290 So Neil acted as a child. He was really into plays from a 221 00:12:00,290 --> 00:12:04,410 really young age. And then he got a role in the 222 00:12:04,410 --> 00:12:08,170 movie Clara's Heart. And he actually earned a Golden 223 00:12:08,170 --> 00:12:11,410 Globe nomination at only age 13 for that role. 224 00:12:13,970 --> 00:12:16,850 Yes. And then he was signed to the 225 00:12:16,850 --> 00:12:21,760 show Doogie Howser when he was only a teenager, when it was a 226 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,600 national success, a really big show from 1989 to 1993. 227 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:32,000 It's about a teenage Doctor Who's a genius and dad becomes a 228 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,160 doctor. He's a teen, but it's also kind 229 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:39,890 of like part Doctor show, part coming of age, which is weird. 230 00:12:40,850 --> 00:12:43,890 Like, it's kind of like young Sheldon, not as annoying, but 231 00:12:43,890 --> 00:12:47,810 doctor, you know, genius. Yeah, he was really cute, 232 00:12:47,810 --> 00:12:49,570 though. I watched a couple clips and I 233 00:12:49,570 --> 00:12:51,610 watched the theme song. He was adorable. 234 00:12:52,410 --> 00:12:54,810 Yeah. He had a lot of success from an 235 00:12:54,850 --> 00:12:57,690 early age. After Dukey Houser ended, he 236 00:12:57,690 --> 00:13:01,020 would have been about 20 years old, and he wanted to avoid 237 00:13:01,020 --> 00:13:04,940 being typecast as like, you know, a precocious, nerdy type. 238 00:13:04,980 --> 00:13:09,900 So we sign out different roles. He was in my Antonia, He was in 239 00:13:09,900 --> 00:13:12,460 Joan of Arc. He played a book editor in the 240 00:13:12,460 --> 00:13:15,380 short lived TV show Star Craving Mad. 241 00:13:15,380 --> 00:13:18,900 And then he was also in three Harold and Kumar movies. 242 00:13:19,260 --> 00:13:22,500 He was in a lot of Broadway shows, including Proof, All My 243 00:13:22,500 --> 00:13:26,500 Sons, Rent and Cabaret. He's a big theater guy. 244 00:13:27,020 --> 00:13:32,400 He's a theater. I can see that before David, he 245 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,120 dated a couple of women. He dated the actress Christine 246 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:39,960 Taylor, apparently Robin Lively, Blake Lively's older sister. 247 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:46,840 Oh wow, I know she's. Married to Coach Bolton from 248 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:48,400 High School Musical? No way. 249 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,440 Zach's dad or Troy's dad? Oh my gosh. 250 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:53,920 Coach Bolton. Interesting. 251 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,400 And Christine Taylor, the other ex? 252 00:13:56,680 --> 00:13:59,200 She's now married to? Ben Stiller. 253 00:14:00,020 --> 00:14:03,460 Oh wow. And they, they think have an 254 00:14:03,460 --> 00:14:07,180 interesting relationship were. They like going to get divorced, 255 00:14:07,180 --> 00:14:09,580 but they decided against it. Interesting. 256 00:14:09,580 --> 00:14:13,140 Maybe we should look into that. I know he also dated the pianist 257 00:14:13,140 --> 00:14:18,620 Carla Bianco and I read OK. I almost didn't find this guys. 258 00:14:19,020 --> 00:14:22,420 But then in my research I came across something about that He 259 00:14:22,420 --> 00:14:28,900 had actually dated a man for a little while named Max von 260 00:14:28,900 --> 00:14:33,340 Essen, A fellow Broadway star, and it seems like it might be 261 00:14:33,340 --> 00:14:34,580 true. I came across it in a couple 262 00:14:34,580 --> 00:14:36,140 places. I think it was like, really 263 00:14:36,140 --> 00:14:40,020 under the radar, but I don't. Know, I'm sure he probably did 264 00:14:40,020 --> 00:14:43,740 have like very formative relationships with men. 265 00:14:43,740 --> 00:14:47,340 I mean, maybe he didn't, but probably secretly. 266 00:14:47,380 --> 00:14:49,180 I'm sure there's a lot of people we've covered who's. 267 00:14:49,650 --> 00:14:53,210 Prior relationships we know. Oh, absolutely nothing about, 268 00:14:53,850 --> 00:14:55,810 yeah, 100%. I mean, some people, we don't 269 00:14:55,810 --> 00:14:59,650 really know anything. So yeah, I'm sure there's tons 270 00:14:59,650 --> 00:15:01,370 of people that we don't know about. 271 00:15:02,810 --> 00:15:07,570 Neil is also besides acting very into magic, he's an amateur 272 00:15:07,570 --> 00:15:09,570 magician. Why that's so cute. 273 00:15:09,570 --> 00:15:12,970 Yeah, he's really into it. And he likes to collect art. 274 00:15:12,970 --> 00:15:15,690 And he writes too. He has written young adult books 275 00:15:15,690 --> 00:15:18,940 called The Magic Misfits about magic, of course. 276 00:15:19,020 --> 00:15:20,940 Oh my God, he must be such a fun dad. 277 00:15:21,460 --> 00:15:25,060 I think he is. He seems somewhat Type A to me. 278 00:15:25,380 --> 00:15:27,420 He's very, very ambitious and hardworking. 279 00:15:27,420 --> 00:15:31,020 Seems like he likes to be busy. And then our story starts kind 280 00:15:31,020 --> 00:15:34,500 somewhere in the early 2000s when Neil was on Broadway in 281 00:15:34,500 --> 00:15:38,180 Cabaret and at the same time David Burka was on Broadway in 282 00:15:38,180 --> 00:15:41,780 Gypsy. OK, David Burka. 283 00:15:41,980 --> 00:15:43,260 Who? Who is that? 284 00:15:43,380 --> 00:15:47,120 Who is this guy? OK, when I was first starting my 285 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:51,760 research, I kept in my head mistaking him for Justin Bartha. 286 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:57,680 The guy from National Treasure plays Riley Pool does. 287 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,440 I don't know, guys, come on, right? 288 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:02,760 You know him? Justin Bartha. 289 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,680 Wait, is he the guy from? No, never mind. 290 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,440 He's in the hangover. He's the guy that. 291 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,920 I mean, he's hardly in it, but he's the friend that goes 292 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:12,880 missing. Oh, yes, yes, yes. 293 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:17,330 Yeah, they do look a little like they they really, it's just the 294 00:16:17,330 --> 00:16:19,610 last name. Bertka and Bartha. 295 00:16:19,610 --> 00:16:22,610 I don't know, I I literally was calling him Justin by accident 296 00:16:22,610 --> 00:16:23,730 at first. That's so funny. 297 00:16:23,730 --> 00:16:26,250 But it's not Justin Bartha. But do you ever sometimes call 298 00:16:26,250 --> 00:16:28,850 people the wrong name? Simply because they seem like 299 00:16:28,850 --> 00:16:31,690 they would be a different name. Yeah, like there's there's no 300 00:16:31,690 --> 00:16:34,730 reason why I'm calling you this name, but you have the essence 301 00:16:35,450 --> 00:16:40,690 of this name. David Bertka was born May 29th, 302 00:16:40,770 --> 00:16:45,570 1975 in Dearborn, MI, near Detroit, but he grew up in 303 00:16:45,570 --> 00:16:48,570 Canton, MI. He's the son of Deborah and 304 00:16:48,570 --> 00:16:50,970 Daniel, and he's a Polish descent. 305 00:16:51,690 --> 00:16:54,730 He studied acting formally. He went to University of 306 00:16:54,730 --> 00:16:59,570 Michigan, and then he attended the William Espers Studios 307 00:16:59,570 --> 00:17:03,330 Acting School in New York. In 2002, he had a brief role on 308 00:17:03,330 --> 00:17:07,810 the show The West Wing, and then he made his Broadway debut in 309 00:17:07,810 --> 00:17:11,700 Gypsy in 2003. And I read the before Neil, he 310 00:17:11,700 --> 00:17:15,980 dated a guy named Lane Janger, an independent film actor, for 311 00:17:15,980 --> 00:17:18,140 10 years. Oh wow. 312 00:17:18,260 --> 00:17:22,260 And if this is true, that's kind of crazy because he got with 313 00:17:22,260 --> 00:17:24,339 Neil very shortly after this relationship. 314 00:17:24,339 --> 00:17:27,660 So he is in it for the long haul and he's in. 315 00:17:28,780 --> 00:17:32,380 Yeah, he's a longterm dater. That's crazy. 316 00:17:32,380 --> 00:17:35,140 I feel like. I mean, good for him. 317 00:17:35,140 --> 00:17:37,100 It would be, honestly, traumatic. 318 00:17:37,550 --> 00:17:40,430 To date someone for 10 years. I mean, people do it, people do 319 00:17:40,430 --> 00:17:42,150 it all the time, but that's a lot. 320 00:17:42,310 --> 00:17:44,990 That's a decade. That's a long time. 321 00:17:45,390 --> 00:17:47,510 He's very like Vanessa Hudgens in that way. 322 00:17:47,550 --> 00:17:52,190 Yes, goes for if this is true, but goes from decade long 323 00:17:52,190 --> 00:17:54,510 relationship into almost two decades. 324 00:17:55,230 --> 00:17:58,870 Yeah, let me double that. Wait, she really does like, say 325 00:17:58,950 --> 00:18:00,950 double it, Like she was with Zach for five years. 326 00:18:00,950 --> 00:18:02,870 So she's like, you know, I'm going to be with Austin Butler 327 00:18:02,870 --> 00:18:06,420 for Ton. Yeah, hopefully she's with her 328 00:18:06,420 --> 00:18:11,420 next guy, 2020 or more than 20. David. 329 00:18:11,500 --> 00:18:13,900 Oh yeah. David seems really sweet, really 330 00:18:13,900 --> 00:18:19,620 friendly, talkative, outgoing. He loves to host people and 331 00:18:19,620 --> 00:18:22,540 bring people together. He loves hosting dinner parties. 332 00:18:22,540 --> 00:18:25,940 He's really about the parties and he gets really over the top 333 00:18:25,940 --> 00:18:28,780 with games and themes and name tags and stuff and. 334 00:18:28,940 --> 00:18:31,460 Yeah, he seems he likes to be raunchy too. 335 00:18:31,460 --> 00:18:35,020 I think him and Neil both like to be raunchy sometimes and they 336 00:18:35,020 --> 00:18:37,340 have both said that what drew them to each other was that they 337 00:18:37,340 --> 00:18:42,740 made each other laugh, so. Important Humor is so important. 338 00:18:43,540 --> 00:18:44,980 They have fun. They have fun together. 339 00:18:45,700 --> 00:18:48,300 So I feel like in any long term relationship you're going to go 340 00:18:48,300 --> 00:18:50,980 through so many serious things. It's so important to be with 341 00:18:50,980 --> 00:18:52,460 someone who can still make you laugh. 342 00:18:52,500 --> 00:18:56,060 Yeah, it is really important. Sometimes after a fight, all he 343 00:18:56,060 --> 00:18:59,700 needs to do is just make a joke. Yeah, exactly. 344 00:18:59,740 --> 00:19:03,780 I mean, sometimes that might be a little annoying at first, but 345 00:19:03,780 --> 00:19:08,780 then then it's a good time. So Neil talked about first 346 00:19:08,780 --> 00:19:12,300 meeting David in Out magazine and this would have been around 347 00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:14,590 2004. He wrote about it. 348 00:19:14,590 --> 00:19:17,390 He said, well, they both wrote about it actually, this is 349 00:19:17,390 --> 00:19:20,190 Neil's part, he said. I ran into my friend Kate one 350 00:19:20,190 --> 00:19:23,030 day and she was with this brooding James Dean type guy in 351 00:19:23,030 --> 00:19:26,350 a leather jacket who gave me the head nod and then turned away. 352 00:19:26,590 --> 00:19:29,590 I assumed he was Kate's boyfriend and said nicely done. 353 00:19:29,830 --> 00:19:33,030 And then she said, David, he's not playing on my team, but he 354 00:19:33,030 --> 00:19:36,030 has a boyfriend. He's told the story many times 355 00:19:36,030 --> 00:19:37,350 and like sometimes he tells it differently. 356 00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:39,790 Like sometimes. Sometimes she goes, David, oh, 357 00:19:39,790 --> 00:19:45,190 he's totally gay, so depends who he's talking to, I guess. 358 00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:48,550 But I don't know what she really said, but it was something like 359 00:19:48,550 --> 00:19:50,750 that. So then I just kept seeing him 360 00:19:50,750 --> 00:19:53,110 on the periphery and in turn catching up on him. 361 00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:56,270 But I didn't want to be that guy who was creating some sort of 362 00:19:56,270 --> 00:19:59,030 romantic interference. So I was always around when he 363 00:19:59,030 --> 00:20:00,990 was around, hoping the stars would align. 364 00:20:01,270 --> 00:20:04,350 When we all hung out for the first time, I was invited by 365 00:20:04,350 --> 00:20:06,350 Kate to an American Idol viewing party. 366 00:20:06,790 --> 00:20:09,630 I just dammered around him. I couldn't take my eyes off him. 367 00:20:09,630 --> 00:20:13,780 And then David said. I've always known I was going to 368 00:20:13,780 --> 00:20:17,060 have a monogamous relationship, raise children and be happy in 369 00:20:17,060 --> 00:20:18,740 love. It was the one thing in life 370 00:20:18,740 --> 00:20:20,100 that I never doubted for a second. 371 00:20:20,820 --> 00:20:23,580 I was in another relationship when I met Neil and I was doing 372 00:20:23,580 --> 00:20:25,540 the long distance New York to LA thing. 373 00:20:25,900 --> 00:20:28,420 It was sort of on the rocks. Long distance is so hard. 374 00:20:28,700 --> 00:20:31,100 I was performing in the Sam Mendes version of Gypsy on 375 00:20:31,100 --> 00:20:32,940 Broadway when I ran into Neil on the street. 376 00:20:33,180 --> 00:20:35,820 He was doing the Mendes version of Cabaret at the time and I was 377 00:20:35,820 --> 00:20:37,740 with a friend who knew him pretty well. 378 00:20:37,780 --> 00:20:39,620 It wasn't a big Doogie Howser fan. 379 00:20:40,360 --> 00:20:43,440 I'd probably seen it once or twice when I was growing up, so 380 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,160 I gave him a Hey, what's up? Nice to meet you. 381 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:46,920 And that was really it. I thought it would be nice to 382 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,360 know him, but I didn't think in a million years I started dating 383 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:53,200 him. This is a lot of raining, OK 384 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,680 then, David continues. We've been hanging out with 385 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,800 other people and we had a lunch or so, but nothing romantic. 386 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:02,680 I thought he was adorable, though, these amazing blue eyes 387 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,320 that are just so hypnotizing to me. 388 00:21:05,030 --> 00:21:07,830 I ended up breaking up with my boyfriend and a week later Neil 389 00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:09,870 and I had a date. We went to see a movie. 390 00:21:09,870 --> 00:21:14,390 I think it was taking lives with Angelina Jolie, last week's 391 00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:17,710 episode. I know. 392 00:21:18,830 --> 00:21:21,350 We started hanging out every single night, and after three 393 00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:24,150 months it was just nonstop. We talk on the phone at least 394 00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:27,390 eight times a day and text at least 25 times a day. 395 00:21:27,550 --> 00:21:29,670 We are, in a way, very codependent. 396 00:21:29,910 --> 00:21:31,750 He's my lifeline in an amazing way. 397 00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:34,890 Without him, I can't breathe. The biggest thing is that he 398 00:21:34,890 --> 00:21:36,490 makes me laugh. He's also smart. 399 00:21:36,490 --> 00:21:38,130 He can do everything. I'm not kidding. 400 00:21:38,170 --> 00:21:40,890 He think he's half robot. He makes me a little more 401 00:21:40,890 --> 00:21:43,010 grounded and I bring out the wild side in him. 402 00:21:43,330 --> 00:21:46,330 Don't get me wrong, we fight our fights last five minutes and 403 00:21:46,330 --> 00:21:48,450 then we're over it and we're both Gemini. 404 00:21:48,450 --> 00:21:51,210 We have a good twin and a bad twin, and the four of us get 405 00:21:51,210 --> 00:21:56,090 along really well. Oh, I know, that's cute. 406 00:21:56,770 --> 00:21:58,650 And then sorry, I have a lot more. 407 00:21:58,650 --> 00:22:00,010 This isn't even the whole interview. 408 00:22:00,050 --> 00:22:02,250 I just, I thought it was all really interesting how much they 409 00:22:02,250 --> 00:22:05,900 were sharing. Then Neil, NPH said. 410 00:22:06,380 --> 00:22:08,700 There's something kinetic about him and his being. 411 00:22:08,700 --> 00:22:11,900 He's classically sexy, yet he's very much a boy and his energy. 412 00:22:12,140 --> 00:22:14,180 It's a great dynamic. When I see people who are 413 00:22:14,180 --> 00:22:16,700 equally attractive, they tend to seem a little more quiet and 414 00:22:16,700 --> 00:22:21,380 kind of Marlo, Marlboro, Manny and Dave is into thesis of that. 415 00:22:21,620 --> 00:22:24,940 He's more like Tigger. I'm in turn very introspective, 416 00:22:26,700 --> 00:22:28,100 the thinker rather than the doer. 417 00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:31,280 I tend to weigh the options before making decisions and 418 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:32,760 David is a polar opposite of that. 419 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:35,960 We're hyper similar and also incredibly opposite. 420 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,080 We share a wardrobe. We have the same shoe size, body 421 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,920 size, height and weight. We're both Gemini. 422 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,080 We both like the idea of family, not a nuclear family, but a 423 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,480 social family. Yet we're incredibly opposite in 424 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:54,000 the way we process information. Wait, like Tigger, I think. 425 00:22:55,770 --> 00:22:57,970 Wait, what? I think he just means that he's 426 00:22:57,970 --> 00:22:59,730 energetic. Oh, yeah. 427 00:22:59,770 --> 00:23:00,290 Yeah. OK. 428 00:23:00,330 --> 00:23:03,250 OK, fun and jumps around. OK, that's cute. 429 00:23:03,330 --> 00:23:05,650 What did you think it meant? I don't know, because I thought 430 00:23:05,890 --> 00:23:08,330 for some reason I was getting caught up on like the sexy part. 431 00:23:08,410 --> 00:23:12,130 I think that was actually before sexy, like Tigger. 432 00:23:12,130 --> 00:23:16,010 I don't remember Tigger being sexy. 433 00:23:17,690 --> 00:23:20,250 I mean, who would you say the sexiest one on that Winnie the 434 00:23:20,410 --> 00:23:23,300 Pooh? No, Probably the Tigger. 435 00:23:23,340 --> 00:23:24,260 Winnie the Pooh. Yeah. 436 00:23:24,260 --> 00:23:27,900 Who is it? It's not your Maybe rabbit. 437 00:23:27,940 --> 00:23:30,580 Is that his name? I remember what Rabbit looks 438 00:23:30,580 --> 00:23:32,740 like. Winnie is really sweet, but 439 00:23:32,780 --> 00:23:35,100 yeah, not no. I would not have sex with 440 00:23:35,100 --> 00:23:38,940 Lennie. Yeah. 441 00:23:39,500 --> 00:23:41,380 I mean, I think Tigger might be as sexy. 442 00:23:41,540 --> 00:23:44,460 Tigger probably is. He's probably, like, really? 443 00:23:44,460 --> 00:23:46,860 Yeah, energetic. And that that might not be as 444 00:23:46,860 --> 00:23:49,020 fun, but. Or it might that might be like 445 00:23:49,020 --> 00:23:52,100 too much. But it depends if you're on his 446 00:23:52,100 --> 00:23:53,740 wavelength or not. Not Piglet. 447 00:23:56,780 --> 00:23:58,580 Piglet, I feel like is not legal. 448 00:24:01,020 --> 00:24:04,020 Know not even your piglet. You were would be the worst. 449 00:24:04,060 --> 00:24:04,820 Yeah. Yeah. 450 00:24:05,860 --> 00:24:12,460 Are you forgetting? Well, there's the kangaroo, 451 00:24:13,140 --> 00:24:16,140 Kanga Kinga. I don't remember what Kinga's 452 00:24:16,140 --> 00:24:17,500 like. She's a mom. 453 00:24:17,780 --> 00:24:19,660 I mean, not that there's anything wrong with moms. 454 00:24:20,610 --> 00:24:23,330 Obviously she's done it. She's just so sweet. 455 00:24:23,370 --> 00:24:27,010 Yeah, she's so pure. Yeah, Tigger probably is the 456 00:24:27,410 --> 00:24:31,370 sexiest one, but I'm not sexually attracted to any of 457 00:24:31,370 --> 00:24:32,890 them. No. 458 00:24:32,970 --> 00:24:37,930 Yeah, we can move on. We all went on to say that he 459 00:24:37,930 --> 00:24:41,210 kind of thought that he was going to be alone the rest of 460 00:24:41,210 --> 00:24:47,930 his life, that he never really had a true love by the time he 461 00:24:47,930 --> 00:24:52,360 was in his mid 20s. And interestingly, David 462 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,120 apparently never felt that way. He was pretty confident he was 463 00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:58,760 going to interesting find someone and have kids. 464 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,520 Yeah, I've heard this story about how they met a couple of 465 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,920 times, and Neil always kind of says that he was slightly 466 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,080 stalking David. Like, you know, not in a creepy 467 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,600 Joe Goldberg way, but. The way everybody does, Yeah. 468 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,480 That he was, like purposely trying to be in the same places 469 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,140 as David. And you know, if he heard that 470 00:25:17,140 --> 00:25:19,500 he was going to be at this party, then he would definitely 471 00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:23,780 go and he was really into him. But yeah, eventually David and 472 00:25:23,780 --> 00:25:25,660 his boyfriend of 10 years broke up. 473 00:25:26,020 --> 00:25:28,980 Neil was around and they started dating. 474 00:25:28,980 --> 00:25:32,740 As they said David still had stuff back in LA. 475 00:25:32,780 --> 00:25:36,020 So I guess they went over there, got his stuff and then drove 476 00:25:36,020 --> 00:25:39,140 across the country back to New York and they got an apartment 477 00:25:39,140 --> 00:25:43,580 together in Harlem. Wow, very fast. 478 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,840 I feel like this was only maybe a couple months in and Neil said 479 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,160 about this, I initially fell for David harder than he fell for 480 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,160 me. I was in love with him before he 481 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,720 was comfortable saying it, and I think that speaks to our past 482 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,360 experiences. I remember saying I think I love 483 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:01,920 you and he was like, that's really nice, which is not 484 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,480 necessarily what you want to hear. 485 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,600 But I appreciated his honesty and not jumping the gun and 486 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,120 saying something because he felt obligated to. 487 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:14,380 And it's cool because, I mean, yeah, maybe David didn't feel 488 00:26:14,380 --> 00:26:18,260 ready in the moment to say it, but clearly he separates his 489 00:26:18,260 --> 00:26:21,420 feelings if he says Neil is his lifeline. 490 00:26:21,420 --> 00:26:23,380 And yeah. Can't live without him. 491 00:26:23,380 --> 00:26:26,780 So, you know, it's like, yeah, you might think that's a red 492 00:26:26,780 --> 00:26:29,940 flag, but they kept dating. And also good for Neil for not 493 00:26:29,940 --> 00:26:30,860 panicking. Yeah. 494 00:26:31,100 --> 00:26:32,460 Oh, my God. He didn't say it back. 495 00:26:32,540 --> 00:26:34,700 Yeah, I have to end this. Yeah. 496 00:26:34,860 --> 00:26:36,580 You know, that's really secure of him. 497 00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:39,740 Like, I appreciate that he didn't jump the gun. 498 00:26:40,140 --> 00:26:44,300 I feel like most people would not keep dating. 499 00:26:44,980 --> 00:26:47,580 Yeah, I could see a lot of people, but I don't know what I 500 00:26:47,620 --> 00:26:50,620 would do. That is such a thing though, 501 00:26:50,620 --> 00:26:54,140 that where people I have one friend and obviously not going 502 00:26:54,140 --> 00:26:57,460 to name names, but she was nervous for a while that her 503 00:26:57,460 --> 00:26:59,820 boyfriend would say I love you and she's like, I don't know if 504 00:26:59,820 --> 00:27:01,660 I'm ready yet. I hope that's not obvious. 505 00:27:01,860 --> 00:27:03,340 Her boyfriend would not be listening. 506 00:27:05,210 --> 00:27:06,890 Might like now they say it, but she was. 507 00:27:07,530 --> 00:27:09,970 I mean, it's such a big moment in a relationship. 508 00:27:10,010 --> 00:27:12,650 And if you're not ready to say it, you don't want to feel 509 00:27:12,650 --> 00:27:15,770 pressured to say it back. You want it to be the right time 510 00:27:16,130 --> 00:27:18,930 for sure. So that was that was all around 511 00:27:18,930 --> 00:27:21,690 2004. And then in 2005, Neil got the 512 00:27:21,690 --> 00:27:26,890 role of Barney Stinson on CBS show How I Met Your Mother and 513 00:27:26,890 --> 00:27:29,810 they moved to Los Angeles. But I was thinking, Oh my God, 514 00:27:29,810 --> 00:27:32,890 they just moved to New York. Crazy. 515 00:27:32,930 --> 00:27:35,550 Yeah. Sometimes life is like that 516 00:27:35,550 --> 00:27:36,630 though. Big. 517 00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:38,710 I mean, that's a big break. Yeah, big. 518 00:27:38,790 --> 00:27:43,430 It was very big, NPH said. I assumed the show would be a 519 00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:46,470 short chapter. The plan was always to come back 520 00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:49,190 to New York when the show ended and raise our family. 521 00:27:49,630 --> 00:27:53,950 But the sitcom ran for nine seasons and nearly ten years, so 522 00:27:53,950 --> 00:27:55,030 they were out there for 10 years. 523 00:27:55,030 --> 00:27:57,190 Very successful show. Yeah, it was. 524 00:27:57,190 --> 00:28:00,870 It was huge. David actually appeared in seven 525 00:28:00,870 --> 00:28:03,670 episodes of How I Met My Mother as a scooter. 526 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:10,080 And at this time, David and Neil's careers were in very 527 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,760 different places. When they first met, they were 528 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,720 kind of the same. I mean, Neil had been a child 529 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:19,120 star, but now he was mostly just working on Broadway. 530 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,240 David was on Broadway. You know, they were basically in 531 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,400 the same exact place. But now Neil is thriving on this 532 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:27,640 show. He's one of the main. 533 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,880 He's like an A list celebrity. Yeah. 534 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,310 And then David was actually struggling in LA because I think 535 00:28:33,310 --> 00:28:37,110 he's more of a theater actor and he wasn't really getting roles. 536 00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:40,710 Yeah, that's hard, I know. And he's spoken. 537 00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:42,630 I mean, it's going to come up more later, but he's spoken 538 00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:46,350 pretty openly about this, how he would get jealous of Neil. 539 00:28:46,350 --> 00:28:47,790 Yeah, and it would be hard. For him. 540 00:28:47,790 --> 00:28:50,990 And it would be resentful, probably a little bit at times 541 00:28:50,990 --> 00:28:53,470 because it's like, well, I'm living in LA, which is holding 542 00:28:53,470 --> 00:28:55,110 me back. But yeah, because of you and 543 00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:56,910 your job. Yeah. 544 00:28:56,910 --> 00:29:01,260 And then Neil will sometimes come to him all excited about 545 00:29:01,540 --> 00:29:03,540 some news and opportunity he got. 546 00:29:03,540 --> 00:29:07,700 And then David's happy for him, but then it makes him feel bad. 547 00:29:08,060 --> 00:29:10,260 So that kind of started. Wait, so were they? 548 00:29:10,380 --> 00:29:12,980 Was Neil Patrick Harris at this point at the beginning of the 549 00:29:12,980 --> 00:29:15,540 show, openly out or no? OK, no. 550 00:29:15,540 --> 00:29:17,740 So there's still a secret right now. 551 00:29:17,900 --> 00:29:20,540 But do people like, I'm guessing like the cast mates and stuff? 552 00:29:20,540 --> 00:29:22,820 No, Right. Yeah, I'm pretty sure they did, 553 00:29:22,860 --> 00:29:25,420 yeah. Especially by the time David was 554 00:29:25,420 --> 00:29:29,380 on the show, it was only 7 episodes, but that's an OK 555 00:29:29,380 --> 00:29:30,300 amount for. A guest? 556 00:29:30,620 --> 00:29:33,700 Yeah, I wonder if celebrities were better at keeping secrets 557 00:29:33,700 --> 00:29:36,580 like that back then. Without maybe social media, 558 00:29:36,580 --> 00:29:42,580 Probably. But it was after David Bricker 559 00:29:42,580 --> 00:29:47,220 was on How I Met Your Mother, six months after apparently 560 00:29:47,220 --> 00:29:50,380 allegations started rising that he had only gotten the part 561 00:29:50,740 --> 00:29:54,380 because of a romantic relationship with Neil, and 562 00:29:54,380 --> 00:29:58,080 speculation around the story eventually led to Neil 563 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,480 acknowledging that he was gay in a cover story A. 564 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,320 Guest star Like who cares why he got the part in the 1st place? 565 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,920 So a lot of the speculation was actually led by Perez Hilton. 566 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,800 I knew you were going to say that. 567 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,400 I knew you were going to. How did you know? 568 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,760 Because he outed like everybody. By now he was such a tyrant. 569 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,240 I know who himself is gay. Yes. 570 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,400 And Perez was posting a lot about Neil at the time. 571 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,280 And Neil actually said about this. 572 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,760 Yeah. There was an interview in 2006 573 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,440 that claimed that I was asked if I was gay and that my publicist 574 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,080 had said that I was not of that persuasion. 575 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,000 That was the weird catalyst tipping point, because that 576 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,720 expression set Perez Hilton off. He was offended by that and 577 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,320 started posting about me and asking people to come forward 578 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,520 with truths or stories. Then it became apparent that I 579 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,360 needed to make some sort of decisive, respectable move. 580 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,010 So then he's kind of forced to. I mean, he didn't have to, but. 581 00:30:54,250 --> 00:30:57,810 Yeah, Perez was basically asking like, if anyone has any 582 00:30:57,810 --> 00:31:02,170 information about Neil Patrick Harris, give it to me, I wonder. 583 00:31:02,170 --> 00:31:06,010 Why Prez Hilton was doing all that as a gay person himself. 584 00:31:06,010 --> 00:31:09,730 Like, maybe it's comes from a place of like wanting to see 585 00:31:09,770 --> 00:31:13,610 your sexuality, like, more mainstream and represented in 586 00:31:13,610 --> 00:31:16,370 Hollywood, but it's like he was acting like he was getting 587 00:31:16,370 --> 00:31:18,410 people in trouble. So weird. 588 00:31:18,410 --> 00:31:22,290 Well, that's what Neil said. Like he he thinks that Perez 589 00:31:22,810 --> 00:31:25,450 does. He didn't like the phrase. 590 00:31:25,770 --> 00:31:27,810 Neil's not of that persuasion. Yes. 591 00:31:28,010 --> 00:31:31,970 And he probably felt like this. Neil Patrick Harris, guys living 592 00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:35,650 a lie, you know, Like, I know, you know, maybe it insults him 593 00:31:35,650 --> 00:31:37,370 in a way. Yeah, I don't think it's right. 594 00:31:37,370 --> 00:31:40,410 But he thought it was insulting that these famous people were 595 00:31:40,410 --> 00:31:43,010 pretending to be straight. Yeah, yeah. 596 00:31:43,290 --> 00:31:47,290 And he just wanted it out there, but obviously not his place. 597 00:31:48,330 --> 00:31:51,680 But in the early 2000s, people, I don't think people would have 598 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,920 even questioned president this, you know? 599 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,080 Maybe some people, maybe some people, but it's like it was 600 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,360 common to just 2000 people, really homophobic it was. 601 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,360 But yeah, he he came out in People magazine and it was a 602 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:09,120 huge cover story, he said. I'm happy to dispel any rumors 603 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,160 or misconceptions, and I'm quite proud to say that I'm very 604 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,040 content gay man, living my life to the fullest and feeling most 605 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,350 fortunate to be working with wonderful people in the business 606 00:32:18,390 --> 00:32:22,030 I love. Wow, honestly, people who came 607 00:32:22,030 --> 00:32:27,750 out in the 2000s or the 90s, it's really paved the way for so 608 00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:30,270 many people now. I think they do not get enough 609 00:32:30,270 --> 00:32:34,630 credit because like I said, it was still very homophobic back 610 00:32:34,670 --> 00:32:37,710 then, the culture and it was such a different environment. 611 00:32:37,710 --> 00:32:42,150 Now I feel like people can come out like left and right and it's 612 00:32:42,150 --> 00:32:45,900 still like. It's still hard, hard, but it's 613 00:32:46,460 --> 00:32:48,340 it was such a bigger deal back then. 614 00:32:48,340 --> 00:32:52,140 Like, it would be talked about on, you know, late night TV, 615 00:32:52,140 --> 00:32:54,460 your talk shows and stuff, and it would be the fact that it 616 00:32:54,460 --> 00:32:55,900 would be on the cover of a magazine. 617 00:32:55,900 --> 00:33:00,260 And it was so brave and it normalized it for so many people 618 00:33:00,260 --> 00:33:03,220 like, oh, I watch that guy on TV all the time, Like like Ellen. 619 00:33:03,220 --> 00:33:05,900 That's why I'm never going to really hate Ellen, because I 620 00:33:05,940 --> 00:33:09,300 think it really normalized it for so many people. 621 00:33:10,350 --> 00:33:12,390 I mean, we only have one history. 622 00:33:12,390 --> 00:33:15,310 Like, we don't know what would have happened without them. 623 00:33:15,310 --> 00:33:17,950 Exactly. You know, they paved the way, 624 00:33:18,270 --> 00:33:22,310 they really did. And there was a lot of fear that 625 00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:24,830 this would ruin his career. I mean, people were writing 626 00:33:24,830 --> 00:33:27,430 about this a lot like, oh, is this going to ruin you? 627 00:33:27,710 --> 00:33:30,670 Patrick Harris's career? But actually kind of the 628 00:33:30,670 --> 00:33:35,390 opposite happened. I think people were surprised or 629 00:33:35,390 --> 00:33:38,630 they were impressed to realize, like you said earlier, that he 630 00:33:39,140 --> 00:33:41,020 was so good at playing a ladies man. 631 00:33:41,540 --> 00:33:44,860 Yeah, even though that it was like shocking that this guy, and 632 00:33:44,860 --> 00:33:48,860 I know that seems homophobic and it is, but that was actually a 633 00:33:48,860 --> 00:33:50,980 really important thing that happened, that people could put 634 00:33:50,980 --> 00:33:54,060 that together in their head. Like, wait, someone actually can 635 00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:58,300 be a great actor and play whoever they need to play. 636 00:33:58,300 --> 00:34:00,420 They can play a straight person and be gay and like it doesn't 637 00:34:00,420 --> 00:34:02,060 matter. Yeah, exactly, You know. 638 00:34:02,300 --> 00:34:06,810 Yeah, there's a big deal. Yeah, it's like like being gay 639 00:34:06,810 --> 00:34:10,250 wouldn't typecast you to just be like a gay character. 640 00:34:10,530 --> 00:34:12,889 And I feel like back then, gay characters, unfortunately, were 641 00:34:12,889 --> 00:34:17,090 like, usually really offensive or stereotypical. 642 00:34:18,090 --> 00:34:20,730 Yeah, yeah. Never the main character, 643 00:34:21,290 --> 00:34:25,730 unfortunately. Yeah, so he he would continue to 644 00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:29,590 get starring roles even though all the articles were guessing 645 00:34:29,590 --> 00:34:32,150 that he wouldn't. Sometimes the media is weird 646 00:34:32,150 --> 00:34:34,110 that way. I know, yeah. 647 00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:37,030 Expect. The worst, Yeah, I feel like 648 00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:40,070 they really did that with Miley. They always expected her to like 649 00:34:40,670 --> 00:34:44,510 have a full on downward spiral and it never totally happened. 650 00:34:44,510 --> 00:34:51,750 I know. So in 2007, David proposed and 651 00:34:52,030 --> 00:34:56,409 Neil wrote about this, he said. David first proposed to me five 652 00:34:56,409 --> 00:34:58,650 years ago, so this is in the future when he wrote it, 653 00:34:58,690 --> 00:35:03,490 obviously, but on an actual street corner where we met I. 654 00:35:03,650 --> 00:35:06,970 Know that's so cute. They're so cute that way. 655 00:35:07,330 --> 00:35:11,330 We were on our way to an event at an Indian casino 45 minutes 656 00:35:11,330 --> 00:35:15,050 out of town in a limousine, and David wanted to stop for some 657 00:35:15,050 --> 00:35:16,330 reason. I didn't quite get it. 658 00:35:16,530 --> 00:35:18,810 I thought he wanted to get booze or something, and then he was 659 00:35:18,890 --> 00:35:21,490 out on one knee and proposed. And I was so freaked out by 660 00:35:22,090 --> 00:35:23,490 that. I said yes, but I didn't know 661 00:35:23,490 --> 00:35:25,780 what it meant. Then I got the ring and loved 662 00:35:25,780 --> 00:35:27,300 it. And a year later, on Valentine's 663 00:35:27,300 --> 00:35:29,460 Day, I proposed to him in Santa Monica. 664 00:35:29,820 --> 00:35:33,180 That was four years ago. The callus on my right hand is 665 00:35:33,180 --> 00:35:35,660 long formed and not from masturbation. 666 00:35:37,020 --> 00:35:41,020 I'm dying to move over, dying to move over to the other hand. 667 00:35:41,300 --> 00:35:43,100 I'd also like to call him my husband. 668 00:35:43,420 --> 00:35:45,500 I'm not the biggest fan of the word partner. 669 00:35:45,740 --> 00:35:48,060 It either means that we ran a business together or we're 670 00:35:48,060 --> 00:35:50,430 Cowboys. Boyfriend seems bleeding like 671 00:35:50,430 --> 00:35:53,230 maybe we met two weeks ago. I've been saying better half for 672 00:35:53,230 --> 00:35:55,590 as long as I've been able to. I think that's a little self 673 00:35:55,590 --> 00:35:58,390 deprecating and clearly defines that we're in a relationship, 674 00:35:58,390 --> 00:36:00,310 but it would be nice to say my husband. 675 00:36:00,310 --> 00:36:02,430 I totally get what he means by that. 676 00:36:02,910 --> 00:36:05,430 Yeah. See, I I know, like, I feel like 677 00:36:05,590 --> 00:36:09,910 it's more common to use partner now because it's it's a gender 678 00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:10,910 neutral. Yes. 679 00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:15,790 But like, I feel like back in the day, the word partner had. 680 00:36:16,490 --> 00:36:19,050 The implication that like people said partner because they didn't 681 00:36:19,050 --> 00:36:22,730 want people to know that it was a same sex relationship, it was 682 00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:25,770 kind of hiding who you're. Yeah, exactly. 683 00:36:25,810 --> 00:36:28,250 Because it could mean business partner. 684 00:36:28,610 --> 00:36:32,810 Yeah, I mean creative partner. Yeah, for creative partners, I 685 00:36:32,810 --> 00:36:37,290 know that. I understand it's it's good to 686 00:36:37,290 --> 00:36:40,250 have a gender neutral term and we do need one, but. 687 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,520 I wish there was another one. Yeah, because I'm a significant 688 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:45,440 other. I guess no. 689 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,320 But it's so long. I know it is long. 690 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,320 They should abbreviate it. The English language really 691 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,720 needs to come up with a new one because because like I work for 692 00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:57,560 a company and I still hear the word partner all the time in the 693 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,600 business sense and it does get kind of confusing and it just 694 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,360 doesn't sound romantic to. It's not that romantic. 695 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:08,000 It is kind of a sounds really formal, I don't. 696 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,200 Know. Yeah, it sounds like like very 697 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,720 sanitized in a way. Yeah, I don't know. 698 00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:15,440 I wish we just had another cute word. 699 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,840 I think significant other is really cute, but it is just. 700 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,280 Long and somewhere like Soulmate Dramatic. 701 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,560 Yeah, you can't say S so, but it's not that mainstream. 702 00:37:25,780 --> 00:37:30,180 Yeah, and it's just abbreviated. Yeah, lover is like, you're not 703 00:37:30,180 --> 00:37:31,780 going to say like to people at work. 704 00:37:31,780 --> 00:37:35,540 Like, yeah, me and my lover went to the movies over the weekend. 705 00:37:35,540 --> 00:37:37,660 Too much. Yeah, because that makes you 706 00:37:37,660 --> 00:37:39,620 think of. There does need to be an 707 00:37:39,620 --> 00:37:45,020 alternative gender neutral term for a significant other. 708 00:37:45,220 --> 00:37:46,940 That's cute. Yeah, yeah. 709 00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:50,460 I was actually Googling this because because they say this 710 00:37:50,580 --> 00:37:54,080 all the time. This has come up in so many 711 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,840 articles. They always say they I think 712 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,800 also because, all right, this was 2007, like it wasn't even 713 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:05,000 legal for them to get married and so it meant so much to them 714 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,040 to be able to say husband that was really important to them. 715 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,680 So they still say this all the time though. 716 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,880 It's like my husband I want to say husband. 717 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,320 I don't like seeing partners. So but I was Googling it what's 718 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,520 another term and actually came across some people asking the 719 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,870 same question on Internet cuz like they wanted to use a gender 720 00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:25,150 neutral term but they didn't want to use partner and I don't 721 00:38:25,150 --> 00:38:27,590 know some people say like just my person. 722 00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:30,830 Oh yeah, person is cute. But I guess, like, it's also a 723 00:38:30,830 --> 00:38:33,590 little Your person isn't necessarily romantic. 724 00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:35,430 That's true. It could be your partner. 725 00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:36,550 Yeah. I mean, your person could be 726 00:38:36,550 --> 00:38:39,550 your mom, I guess. Spouse. 727 00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:40,470 What do you think? It's those? 728 00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:42,550 But you have to be married. Yeah, exactly. 729 00:38:42,590 --> 00:38:45,870 Yeah. I mean I sometimes use the words 730 00:38:45,910 --> 00:38:50,340 that was button. Yeah, there's no word for a non 731 00:38:50,340 --> 00:38:54,740 married, gender neutral significant other. 732 00:38:54,740 --> 00:38:59,260 That is cute and easy to say. Yeah, that's a shame. 733 00:39:00,220 --> 00:39:02,620 But I think as a culture we could come up with one. 734 00:39:02,620 --> 00:39:04,460 I feel like we're inventing words all the time. 735 00:39:04,460 --> 00:39:08,980 Let's try to come up with one Not too corny or anything. 736 00:39:09,140 --> 00:39:11,620 Like a slaying, Like I feel like we could, yeah, it could be 737 00:39:11,620 --> 00:39:13,940 something that has evolved from another word. 738 00:39:13,940 --> 00:39:15,780 Like, I feel like we could take something with significant 739 00:39:15,780 --> 00:39:19,690 other, like a Siggy Siggy. I don't know. 740 00:39:19,690 --> 00:39:25,410 I think that's cigarette actually. 741 00:39:25,930 --> 00:39:29,210 Yeah, maybe chat. GB T could come up with some 742 00:39:29,330 --> 00:39:32,050 options. Yeah, that's sweet. 743 00:39:32,050 --> 00:39:35,130 I was also thinking of in terms of engagements. 744 00:39:36,290 --> 00:39:43,690 I like that with queer couples. There's not as much expectations 745 00:39:43,730 --> 00:39:46,480 on one. Person to propose. 746 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:52,920 I mean, a woman could propose to a man in a straight 747 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,680 relationship, but it doesn't often happen. 748 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,800 And I think there are, It is still very much stigmatized. 749 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,200 Yeah, because there's a stereotype that, like, men are 750 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,760 afraid of commitment. So. 751 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,040 I know it's cute that they both proposed too. 752 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:12,280 Yeah. So also one said No, the second 753 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,660 one, we're already engaged, aren't we? 754 00:40:16,220 --> 00:40:19,700 Yeah, OK, this second proposal has a lot less pressure. 755 00:40:21,380 --> 00:40:25,300 Yeah, Neil, what the heck. September 2007, they made their 756 00:40:25,300 --> 00:40:28,340 very first appearance as a couple on the red carpet at the 757 00:40:28,420 --> 00:40:32,140 Emmys, where Neil was nominated. Big deal. 758 00:40:32,900 --> 00:40:37,500 Big deal back then. Yeah, 2008, Really. 759 00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:40,100 Sadly, David's mother, Deborah, passed away. 760 00:40:40,140 --> 00:40:44,140 And this really, this really sent David into a depression. 761 00:40:44,590 --> 00:40:48,110 He, as I said, didn't feel fulfilled by his acting career 762 00:40:48,110 --> 00:40:51,310 and he felt lost in LA and he was just so devastated about his 763 00:40:51,310 --> 00:40:55,190 mom. But from this time he actually, 764 00:40:55,670 --> 00:41:00,790 I don't think it started quite yet, but he decided to become a 765 00:41:00,790 --> 00:41:02,350 chef. Wow. 766 00:41:02,350 --> 00:41:04,470 I don't. I actually didn't know that. 767 00:41:05,110 --> 00:41:07,670 I didn't know it either. I knew they had a cook, like he 768 00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:10,790 had cookbooks, but I didn't know he was a cook. 769 00:41:10,910 --> 00:41:14,380 Yeah. In 2008, he enrolled in the 770 00:41:14,380 --> 00:41:18,700 Cordon Bleu in Los Angeles Culinary School. 771 00:41:19,140 --> 00:41:21,460 So he was taking a new path. I think that's really great. 772 00:41:21,700 --> 00:41:23,180 You know, he was like, you know what? 773 00:41:23,620 --> 00:41:26,260 Acting is not making me happy right now. 774 00:41:26,300 --> 00:41:29,740 I'm in a really hard place. I'm going to try something new 775 00:41:29,740 --> 00:41:31,900 and try something that I like and so. 776 00:41:31,940 --> 00:41:35,860 I love that at any age you can just totally reinvent 777 00:41:35,860 --> 00:41:38,140 themselves. Yeah, you can. 778 00:41:38,140 --> 00:41:42,660 Don't forget people. Also in 2008, of course. 779 00:41:42,740 --> 00:41:47,620 Twilight came out, yes, but he was on Howard Stern. 780 00:41:49,260 --> 00:41:52,380 When do we not have someone open up on Howard Stern? 781 00:41:52,900 --> 00:41:55,980 Well, sometimes we don't, but a lot of times that's where we get 782 00:41:55,980 --> 00:41:59,100 the good stuff from. Howard Stern and I couldn't 783 00:41:59,420 --> 00:42:05,100 access the actual whole interview, but I read some 784 00:42:05,100 --> 00:42:10,420 summaries and he talked about how he dated Christine Taylor 785 00:42:10,420 --> 00:42:15,770 from 1997 to 1998. She is known for playing Marsha 786 00:42:15,770 --> 00:42:19,010 Brady in the Brady Bunch movie and the Nickelodeon show. 787 00:42:19,010 --> 00:42:24,170 Hey dude, and she he said about her. 788 00:42:24,530 --> 00:42:26,810 She's the coolest, nicest chick ever. 789 00:42:26,810 --> 00:42:30,050 She's an absolute catch. And I thought, if I'm not going 790 00:42:30,050 --> 00:42:33,730 to feel the Super sparks with her, it probably means I'm gay. 791 00:42:36,690 --> 00:42:40,330 Did he feel feelings for men otherwise? 792 00:42:41,290 --> 00:42:43,960 I don't know if he said. That's interesting. 793 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,120 I know he talks a little more about this. 794 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:52,160 Later on 2009, Neil hosted both the Tonys and the Emmys. 795 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,880 He's a host. Yeah, that guy hosts. 796 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,280 It's a lot of pressure. We talked about this. 797 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,400 People are so hard in the hosts. I know there's so hard, it's 798 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,400 ridiculous. They can never be happy. 799 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,930 Yeah, I feel like usually I'm like, that was fine. 800 00:43:06,930 --> 00:43:11,250 Yeah, I've never maybe once have watched a show on like that. 801 00:43:11,250 --> 00:43:14,650 The hosting job was terrible. Who I don't remember. 802 00:43:15,410 --> 00:43:19,850 Maybe once, but I actually OK people might like throw to me. 803 00:43:19,850 --> 00:43:22,610 Was at me for saying this, but, and I don't know how I'd feel 804 00:43:22,610 --> 00:43:27,430 now, but when I was younger, I loved this ethnic farmland one. 805 00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:30,510 I couldn't believe people were so pissed about it. 806 00:43:30,510 --> 00:43:32,910 I had a great time. I loved it. 807 00:43:32,910 --> 00:43:36,270 I really did too this. Crazy people were so pressed 808 00:43:36,270 --> 00:43:40,910 about it and I didn't even mind the James Franco and Hathaway 809 00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:41,870 one. I don't know. 810 00:43:41,870 --> 00:43:46,310 I thought it was interesting. Yeah, people like once a year. 811 00:43:46,830 --> 00:43:48,550 Especially when it comes to the Oscars. 812 00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:51,710 For some reason, they act like it's the most important job in 813 00:43:51,710 --> 00:43:53,990 the whole world, like president or. 814 00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:57,430 Something they act like, OK, they have to lead our nation for 815 00:43:57,430 --> 00:44:00,550 four hours. They're all they do is like, 816 00:44:00,910 --> 00:44:04,710 they make a little jokes and they help us transition from 817 00:44:04,750 --> 00:44:08,350 presenter to presenter. It's not a huge deal and people 818 00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:10,070 act like it makes or break the whole show. 819 00:44:10,110 --> 00:44:12,870 I know. It's so stupid, yeah. 820 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,800 That will happen, but he's a 2A Willet. 821 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,080 I don't think it overall affected him too much. 822 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:28,360 Yeah, career wise, but yeah. So also around then, David 823 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,480 graduated from Le Cordon Bleu and began running a catering 824 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:36,010 company in LA And actually, and he still has been doing act, 825 00:44:36,010 --> 00:44:38,730 some acting things, but I feel like that's perfect for him 826 00:44:38,730 --> 00:44:40,690 because he loves hosting parties. 827 00:44:40,690 --> 00:44:42,930 Yeah, that's so fun. I was thinking, oh, it's 828 00:44:42,930 --> 00:44:44,450 interesting, he didn't open a restaurant. 829 00:44:44,450 --> 00:44:48,450 Then I thought, wait, he loves hosting parties, like probably 830 00:44:49,210 --> 00:44:51,330 catering. It's a different occasion every 831 00:44:51,330 --> 00:44:53,610 time. Yeah, you can really customize 832 00:44:53,610 --> 00:44:55,410 it. Maybe he gets involved in the 833 00:44:55,410 --> 00:44:58,250 decoration, I don't know. But you know, I think he loves 834 00:44:58,250 --> 00:45:00,210 hosting parties and. That's so fun. 835 00:45:00,210 --> 00:45:06,150 Sounds perfect for him. In 2010, October 2010, David and 836 00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:10,710 Neil welcomed 2 fraternal twins born by a surrogate. 837 00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:15,270 The twins are Gideon and Harper. A boy and girl were born into 838 00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:17,790 2010. So I feel like it kind of seemed 839 00:45:17,790 --> 00:45:20,030 like came out of nowhere. But sometimes that happens with 840 00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:24,070 surrogate Yeah. So it's two embryos. 841 00:45:24,070 --> 00:45:27,470 And interestingly, it's one of them is David's and one of them 842 00:45:27,470 --> 00:45:30,590 is Neil's. I didn't know that. 843 00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:33,730 Yeah. Wait, that is so cool. 844 00:45:33,770 --> 00:45:36,450 I know. And they have the same 845 00:45:36,450 --> 00:45:37,650 surrogate. Yeah. 846 00:45:37,650 --> 00:45:40,330 Was the surrogate who delivered them the biological model? 847 00:45:40,330 --> 00:45:42,170 I don't think she was. I think it's just I don't. 848 00:45:42,210 --> 00:45:44,570 I think that makes it easier. Probably, Yeah. 849 00:45:45,650 --> 00:45:48,650 Wow. And yeah, Gideon was named after 850 00:45:48,650 --> 00:45:51,050 Gideon Rubin, an artist they both really liked. 851 00:45:51,450 --> 00:45:55,570 And Harper is named after Harper Lee, author of To Kill A 852 00:45:55,570 --> 00:45:59,450 Mockingbird. And it's interesting because 853 00:45:59,450 --> 00:46:04,230 they decided they didn't want to know which one was each of 854 00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:04,790 their. But you can. 855 00:46:04,830 --> 00:46:06,990 Figure it out. I think now you can really tell 856 00:46:06,990 --> 00:46:11,150 too. You can tell which one is Neil's 857 00:46:11,150 --> 00:46:12,990 and which ones, David, just by the eyes. 858 00:46:13,070 --> 00:46:14,190 But that must have been interesting. 859 00:46:14,190 --> 00:46:15,430 Like piercing it together. Yeah. 860 00:46:15,470 --> 00:46:17,670 Like, I wonder how soon they were like, Oh yeah, that's. 861 00:46:17,830 --> 00:46:20,510 I know. Yeah, they're so cute. 862 00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:23,950 They're adorable. Oh my God, that is so cool. 863 00:46:24,070 --> 00:46:27,390 Now obviously at this point they can't talk yet, but when they 864 00:46:27,390 --> 00:46:31,190 can, they call Neil Papa and David Dad. 865 00:46:32,050 --> 00:46:36,050 Just cute, Papa. That's so cute. 866 00:46:36,450 --> 00:46:38,930 Yeah, I saw some cooking video with David and the kids and they 867 00:46:38,930 --> 00:46:41,330 were like, you mentioned, like Papa this, blah, blah. 868 00:46:41,330 --> 00:46:43,250 And then he was like, who's Papa? 869 00:46:43,570 --> 00:46:48,010 He said Neil Patrick, that's so cute. 870 00:46:48,210 --> 00:46:53,050 But they're still engaged here. They're still planning it to get 871 00:46:53,050 --> 00:46:55,650 married, but they're not yet. I think they wanted it to be, 872 00:46:55,650 --> 00:46:57,770 you know, recognized by the state. 873 00:46:57,810 --> 00:47:02,040 And then June 2011, New York Senate passed the marriage 874 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,520 equality bill and Neil and David publicly announced their 875 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,120 engagement for the first time. So I guess we wouldn't have 876 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:12,160 known they were engaged until now, but five years after the 877 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,400 fact. Wow. 878 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,280 And, Neil tweeted. David and I did propose to each 879 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,360 other, but over five years ago, we've been wearing engagement 880 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,800 rings for ages, waiting for an available date. 881 00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:26,480 Oh my gosh. It is so crazy how long it took. 882 00:47:27,590 --> 00:47:30,070 His crazy was only 2011. I know. 883 00:47:30,510 --> 00:47:33,830 Yeah, I remember. I was in college when it 884 00:47:33,830 --> 00:47:36,630 happened nationally. It's crazy. 885 00:47:36,750 --> 00:47:39,510 It was just codified, like only last year or something. 886 00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:44,350 Yeah, Crazy October 2011. Okay. 887 00:47:45,550 --> 00:47:50,170 This is that fateful Halloween party that has gotten Neil and 888 00:47:50,170 --> 00:47:52,330 David in a lot of trouble. You know what? 889 00:47:52,330 --> 00:47:54,650 I've never heard about it. OK, cool. 890 00:47:54,970 --> 00:47:56,730 So. Not that much trouble, I was 891 00:47:56,730 --> 00:47:58,210 saying to mom. Like, I'm worried people are 892 00:47:58,210 --> 00:48:00,850 going to be mad at us for even covering them because of this. 893 00:48:00,850 --> 00:48:02,650 Because people were really mad about this. 894 00:48:02,650 --> 00:48:04,130 This is my first time hearing about it. 895 00:48:04,970 --> 00:48:08,330 Maybe you'll I feel like you're really on top of this stuff. 896 00:48:08,330 --> 00:48:10,130 I'm surprised. Maybe as I keep talking, you'll 897 00:48:10,130 --> 00:48:10,850 remember. I don't know. 898 00:48:10,850 --> 00:48:14,450 OK. But I will say though, I went 899 00:48:14,650 --> 00:48:19,740 because the way we researched these a lot of the times is I go 900 00:48:20,140 --> 00:48:24,220 through the news through every single month. 901 00:48:24,220 --> 00:48:30,460 Me too through all the years. So you see all the news articles 902 00:48:30,460 --> 00:48:33,100 or at least the top ones, but you can go through the pages if 903 00:48:33,100 --> 00:48:35,380 you need to, you know, So I see everything. 904 00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:39,500 And when this happened, there was no news about it. 905 00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:41,800 Absolutely nobody wrote about it. 906 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,560 People got mad. After the fact in 2022. 907 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,960 Oh my. You know what? 908 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,880 That's on you guys. We're not getting mad back then. 909 00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:51,520 I hate that. And I know. 910 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,440 I mean, it is bad, but, well, I don't know what I know. 911 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:55,760 I have to tell you. I have to tell you. 912 00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:00,240 Before you go off, there's a lot to discuss. 913 00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:01,080 There's a lot to. Discuss. 914 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,200 I'm like, getting mad. I have no idea. 915 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,040 You don't even know what you're defending yet. 916 00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:07,680 Yeah. But yeah, I just want to say 917 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:13,880 that back then that you do just have to keep in mind where they 918 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:16,280 were thinking at the time. Well, I hate when people get mad 919 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,320 10 years later because it's like if you weren't mad back then, 920 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,240 then that means whatever they did that was socially 921 00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:24,440 acceptable, so they didn't know better. 922 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:29,760 I really think that anyone at that party, if they did have a 923 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,680 problem with it, no one said, I don't know, Yeah. 924 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,160 But anyway, the thing that happened was that Neil and David 925 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:40,290 had a Halloween party with a buffet, and at the party they 926 00:49:40,290 --> 00:49:44,930 served a meat platter in the shape of Amy Winehouse's body 927 00:49:45,410 --> 00:49:47,410 just three months after she had died. 928 00:49:48,290 --> 00:49:50,850 Did you hear about that? No. 929 00:49:50,890 --> 00:49:52,330 That you're getting, you're recognizing it. 930 00:49:52,730 --> 00:49:55,850 A lot of people thought it was a cake, but it was actually a 931 00:49:55,850 --> 00:49:56,810 meat. Platter it was there. 932 00:49:56,810 --> 00:50:00,810 Pictures of this there are, and it's actually very disturbing. 933 00:50:01,490 --> 00:50:04,170 It's made out of beef ribs, pulled pork and chicken sausage, 934 00:50:04,170 --> 00:50:07,640 which is disgusting. And the way that it resurfaced 935 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,560 was because Jesse Tyler Ferguson, You know him? 936 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:11,720 Yes. Modern Family. 937 00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:13,320 He was on Modern Family, the show. 938 00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,840 And him and his now husband. I know. 939 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,240 Is it really? OK, that is really bad. 940 00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,280 No, wait, but is that definitely Amy Winehouse? 941 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,440 Wait, wait, wait. Oh, hang on, hang on. 942 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,760 I'm not there yet. The reason this resurfaced is 943 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:36,960 because Jesse Tyler Ferguson and his now husband Justin Mikita. 944 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,160 Another Justin. See, I was getting confused. 945 00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,200 They were guests at the party and Justin posted a picture of 946 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,760 it to his Twitter and Justin tweeted look who showed up last 947 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,000 night looking good. So obviously Justin thought it 948 00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,280 was funny or no big. 10 years later. 949 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,000 He posted it. He posted it back then, back 950 00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,080 then. So that's how in 2022 it came 951 00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,520 out again, because somebody, some person went way back. 952 00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,320 And Justin Nikita. I don't know how to say his last 953 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,420 name. I went back in Jesse Taylor 954 00:51:06,420 --> 00:51:10,060 Ferguson's husband's Twitter and found it. 955 00:51:10,140 --> 00:51:13,820 Wait, it is actually really bad. It says there's A tag next to it 956 00:51:13,900 --> 00:51:19,540 that says the corpse of Amy Winehouse, and it looks like 957 00:51:19,540 --> 00:51:21,500 it's like almost like a decomposing body. 958 00:51:21,500 --> 00:51:23,140 Yeah, And the fact that it's meat. 959 00:51:23,140 --> 00:51:24,900 Like, do people actually eat that meat? 960 00:51:25,340 --> 00:51:27,500 I guess so. That is really disturbing. 961 00:51:27,580 --> 00:51:31,620 I actually cannot defend that, I know, but OK, I do have. 962 00:51:31,820 --> 00:51:35,760 I think it's wicked bad, but I do you think it doesn't look 963 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,520 anything like her? No, it looks like the Bride of 964 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,560 Frankenstein. So I was wondering if maybe it 965 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:46,760 doesn't make it right, but I feel like somebody, whether it 966 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,680 was Neil David, I don't know. After the fact was like what if 967 00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,800 we made it Amy Winehouse and they put a cigarette in her 968 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,840 mouth and then wrote that next to her? 969 00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,320 Because the face looks absolutely nothing like her. 970 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,320 Like it doesn't really looks like they drew on it. 971 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,200 The. Hair is like, really like. 972 00:52:05,230 --> 00:52:07,470 You know how Amy Winehouse had that big hairstyle? 973 00:52:07,470 --> 00:52:09,590 But it's short. It's like it's like Marge 974 00:52:09,590 --> 00:52:13,910 Simpson hair. And the face is, I don't know it 975 00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:16,710 just it's very disturbing. But also I don't know why it. 976 00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:18,270 Does look like a decomposing body? 977 00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:23,070 Yeah, it's disgusting, gross. It is really bad. 978 00:52:23,630 --> 00:52:26,470 It's some people try to be edgy with stuff like that. 979 00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:28,870 I know. I can't really defend that. 980 00:52:28,870 --> 00:52:33,790 That's really insensitive. It is. 981 00:52:34,190 --> 00:52:35,510 I know. I was wondering what were they 982 00:52:35,550 --> 00:52:39,190 thinking? Like, really? 983 00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:42,910 What were they thinking? Yeah, I don't know. 984 00:52:44,750 --> 00:52:46,590 I didn't realize she died that long ago. 985 00:52:46,590 --> 00:52:47,470 That's crazy. I know. 986 00:52:48,590 --> 00:52:51,630 I was trying to. Imagine how this happened, and 987 00:52:51,630 --> 00:52:53,750 imagine being one of. I mean, people love Amy 988 00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:55,030 Winehouse. They can imagine being one of 989 00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:56,110 her loved ones. I know. 990 00:52:56,110 --> 00:52:58,910 That's awful. I know they didn't. 991 00:52:59,550 --> 00:53:01,270 People did not respect her back then, though. 992 00:53:01,310 --> 00:53:02,350 They didn't. That's the thing. 993 00:53:02,350 --> 00:53:04,150 They really did. I mean, I remember even after 994 00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:06,910 Whitney Houston died, like, my history teacher made a ton of 995 00:53:06,910 --> 00:53:11,070 jokes about it, like that month. It's really bad. 996 00:53:11,070 --> 00:53:17,350 So yeah, this resurfaced in 2022 and Neil addressed it and he 997 00:53:17,350 --> 00:53:20,150 said, I think the Entertainment Weekly. 998 00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:24,710 He said a photo recently resurfaced from a Halloween 999 00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:27,950 theme party that my husband and I hosted 11 years ago. 1000 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,560 Who's regrettable then and it remains regrettable now. 1001 00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:35,240 Amy Winehouse was a once in a generation talent and I'm sorry 1002 00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:41,840 for any hurt this image caused. OK, I bet he is embarrassed. 1003 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,600 I know. I bet they do feel bad. 1004 00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:51,160 Yeah, it is really bad, very much important taste. 1005 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:56,400 But I was reading a lot about this and what people thought and 1006 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,760 reading comments and stuff, and I thought some people were 1007 00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,200 getting a little carried away. Like I saw some people even 1008 00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:05,280 saying like there is something sinister about gay men or. 1009 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,960 Whatever. And I know I hate when people 1010 00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:13,960 like, fuck up and then other people use it as an excuse to 1011 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:18,520 indulge in their bigotry that they already have. 1012 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,120 I know this is on like so long, so I feel like these people 1013 00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,270 thought they were like progressive or something. 1014 00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:28,310 But yeah, yeah, like that happened recent. 1015 00:54:28,350 --> 00:54:31,510 Oh, like with Lizzo. Like people, you know, like 1016 00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:35,110 she's getting cancelled. And then the vitriol that is 1017 00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:39,270 being thrown her way is because people wanted a reason to hate 1018 00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:42,630 her in the 1st place. Because she's a bigger woman. 1019 00:54:43,230 --> 00:54:46,390 Yeah, and so they're like gleeful that they can like shit 1020 00:54:46,390 --> 00:54:47,670 on her. And I I feel like that's 1021 00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:49,750 probably the same way with something like this. 1022 00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:53,470 I think the the everyone calls it a cake, but it wasn't a cake. 1023 00:54:53,470 --> 00:54:56,150 But I call it a cake I. Would be better if it was a 1024 00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:57,670 cake. It would be a lot better. 1025 00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:59,110 I don't know. It's more creepy. 1026 00:54:59,110 --> 00:55:02,150 That's meat. Yeah, I think it's terrible. 1027 00:55:02,150 --> 00:55:04,950 But I do think some people seemed really gleeful about it 1028 00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:07,590 too. Like, yeah, way too excited 1029 00:55:07,590 --> 00:55:08,960 about. Trashing him. 1030 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:10,840 I do hate when people are excited. 1031 00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,200 Yeah, to be like, we got you. We found the thing that's wrong 1032 00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,120 with you. And this is what it is like, 1033 00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,560 Yeah. And I mean, it's really, really 1034 00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:20,840 bad. I know. 1035 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,600 There's really no way for me to defend that. 1036 00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:28,280 But society was also really awful back then. 1037 00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,960 It was. And people should have gotten 1038 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,000 mad about it back then, but I guess. 1039 00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,760 The guy who posted it wasn't that famous, so maybe it just 1040 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,080 slipped under the radar. I know, I know. 1041 00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:40,480 He obviously was OK with it that like that. 1042 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,720 Does make me like my stomach true? 1043 00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:46,080 I know. I also wonder whose idea it was. 1044 00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:49,800 But do you think with Halloween some people do get carried away, 1045 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,880 people get very carried? Away and they try to push the 1046 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,920 envelope and they try to be edgy. 1047 00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,840 Yeah, I think with Halloween, some people do try to be like, 1048 00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:02,700 as scary and creepy as possible. And they miss the mark with 1049 00:56:02,700 --> 00:56:05,140 that. I know, Yeah, totally. 1050 00:56:07,580 --> 00:56:10,980 But I was wondering, OK, who's I? 1051 00:56:11,140 --> 00:56:14,060 Was it Neil's idea? What if it was David's? 1052 00:56:14,140 --> 00:56:15,580 Idea. I feel like that could really be 1053 00:56:15,620 --> 00:56:18,420 a huge fight between a couple. Like, why did you do that? 1054 00:56:18,580 --> 00:56:21,260 But I feel like Neil has to go down either way. 1055 00:56:21,340 --> 00:56:24,740 Oh yeah, Because even if it was David's idea, like, the only 1056 00:56:24,740 --> 00:56:28,540 reason they are getting in trouble is because of how famous 1057 00:56:28,540 --> 00:56:29,580 Neil is. Yeah. 1058 00:56:29,740 --> 00:56:31,740 So it's kind of his responsibility to go. 1059 00:56:31,820 --> 00:56:34,220 Down for this? Yep, I agree. 1060 00:56:34,260 --> 00:56:38,180 I mean, I doubt it was just one person's idea, but honestly, I 1061 00:56:38,180 --> 00:56:40,020 didn't hear about it. Maybe I just. 1062 00:56:41,260 --> 00:56:44,340 I think they got away with it because this is the first time 1063 00:56:44,340 --> 00:56:47,300 I'm hearing about it. Yeah, I don't know. 1064 00:56:47,300 --> 00:56:50,290 I'm not sure how many people have heard about it, but it's 1065 00:56:50,290 --> 00:56:53,610 kind of like, so recently Mila Kunis and Ashton Kutcher have 1066 00:56:53,610 --> 00:56:56,730 been in a lot of hot water. Yes, and we don't have to get 1067 00:56:56,730 --> 00:56:58,610 into that. But it just reminded me of how 1068 00:56:58,610 --> 00:57:01,290 you were saying to me the other day off the mic. 1069 00:57:01,290 --> 00:57:04,770 You were saying if you're going to get cancelled, it's kind of 1070 00:57:04,770 --> 00:57:07,970 best case scenario to get cancelled with your spouse. 1071 00:57:08,090 --> 00:57:11,050 Exactly like. Yeah, we're not getting into 1072 00:57:11,050 --> 00:57:14,370 like what they did pretty bad, but at least they're going down 1073 00:57:14,370 --> 00:57:16,890 together they can. I bet that's bonding. 1074 00:57:17,090 --> 00:57:20,690 And I feel like if one of them was cancelled, the other one 1075 00:57:20,690 --> 00:57:25,570 might feel pressure to leave, to leave them or denounce them, or 1076 00:57:25,570 --> 00:57:29,050 they might be mad at them. Yes, I bet it makes them closer. 1077 00:57:29,050 --> 00:57:31,530 Unless one of them is like you told me to write the letter, 1078 00:57:32,090 --> 00:57:33,330 that's true. That's possible. 1079 00:57:33,530 --> 00:57:35,970 That's what I was wondering. But they do seem United don't 1080 00:57:36,410 --> 00:57:41,850 matter was your idea, Yeah. I feel like getting cancelled 1081 00:57:41,850 --> 00:57:45,250 would be a huge stress on a relationship. 1082 00:57:45,370 --> 00:57:48,290 Definitely it is. Nice that they both are in it 1083 00:57:48,290 --> 00:57:51,610 together and it would be hard to find somebody else right now. 1084 00:57:51,610 --> 00:57:56,770 So yeah, I know it was really bad guys. 1085 00:57:56,770 --> 00:58:00,830 I don't know what to say. Yeah, but we've covered People 1086 00:58:00,830 --> 00:58:03,510 did much worse on this show. Yeah, we actually have. 1087 00:58:04,630 --> 00:58:08,070 So I I kind of tend to agree with you though, that it really 1088 00:58:08,070 --> 00:58:12,790 doesn't look like Amy Winehouse, that I almost feel like someone 1089 00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:15,510 at the party or something could have even been like, oh, what if 1090 00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:18,150 we made this, like, really distasteful joke? 1091 00:58:18,150 --> 00:58:21,870 Yeah, or maybe like the Day of. The party, like maybe before it 1092 00:58:21,870 --> 00:58:24,510 started. And like because it doesn't look 1093 00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:26,950 they didn't do a good. Job making it like anyone 1094 00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:28,110 doesn't look like anything like her. 1095 00:58:28,390 --> 00:58:31,630 It's just I feel like maybe they're trying to be edgy, but 1096 00:58:31,630 --> 00:58:37,390 it really is distasteful and insensitive. 1097 00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:39,950 I'm just shaking my head, but that doesn't translate to. 1098 00:58:40,510 --> 00:58:42,590 Yeah, audio. I'm just ashamed. 1099 00:58:43,310 --> 00:58:45,430 Disappointed. Yeah, disappointed. 1100 00:58:46,550 --> 00:58:49,910 But the show must go on that same year. 1101 00:58:51,390 --> 00:58:53,830 Back to happy? No. 1102 00:58:53,830 --> 00:58:56,630 But this is when they started their tradition of dressing up 1103 00:58:56,630 --> 00:59:00,630 the whole family and they do this every single year ever 1104 00:59:00,630 --> 00:59:03,670 since then. And the this is when the kids 1105 00:59:03,670 --> 00:59:07,870 are only one and they always do a theme and the whole family 1106 00:59:07,870 --> 00:59:10,350 does it. So this year the theme was Peter 1107 00:59:10,350 --> 00:59:11,230 Pan. Oh. 1108 00:59:11,230 --> 00:59:16,870 Cute David Burka was Peter Neil Patrick Harris Captain Hook. 1109 00:59:17,390 --> 00:59:18,870 How do you know? I'm just guessing. 1110 00:59:19,750 --> 00:59:23,390 I bet one was Tinkerbell. Yes, Harper was Tinkerbell and 1111 00:59:23,710 --> 00:59:27,430 Gideon was John. I think that's the worst one. 1112 00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:31,110 Probably to be, yeah. Like if I saw someone dressed up 1113 00:59:31,110 --> 00:59:34,990 as John by themselves. Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, 1114 00:59:35,150 --> 00:59:37,910 together it makes sense. But alone he would just have 1115 00:59:38,310 --> 00:59:39,670 glasses and a nightgown. Yeah. 1116 00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:43,990 And random. November 2011 thought this is 1117 00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:47,830 kind of timely but unrelated to that Halloween incident. 1118 00:59:48,310 --> 00:59:53,350 Neil talked to enews at a gala for the LA Gay and Lesbian 1119 00:59:53,350 --> 00:59:56,790 Center and he said that him and David are not gay role models. 1120 00:59:58,030 --> 01:00:01,870 And he said I go out of my way to not be soapbox Johnny. 1121 01:00:01,950 --> 01:00:04,990 We're super happy to lead by example, but even to define 1122 01:00:04,990 --> 01:00:07,590 ourselves in any kind of leadership, leadership position 1123 01:00:07,590 --> 01:00:10,270 I think is awkward. I cringe when I hear people say 1124 01:00:10,270 --> 01:00:11,990 they consider themselves role models. 1125 01:00:12,500 --> 01:00:14,460 David agreed and said we don't really do anything. 1126 01:00:14,460 --> 01:00:17,380 We take care of our kids, we're in a relationship, we love each 1127 01:00:17,380 --> 01:00:19,980 other, but we don't go out of the way to stand on a soapbox 1128 01:00:19,980 --> 01:00:26,020 like Neil said. Yeah, I mean, given the whole 1129 01:00:26,380 --> 01:00:28,900 Amy Winehouse thing at this point that. 1130 01:00:28,900 --> 01:00:30,580 Was not a news story. Yet that's true. 1131 01:00:30,660 --> 01:00:33,300 I thought it was timely because it was. 1132 01:00:33,300 --> 01:00:35,500 I mean, there's a year later. Yeah, Well, they know they're 1133 01:00:35,500 --> 01:00:38,260 not perfect, clearly. Yeah, but. 1134 01:00:38,790 --> 01:00:40,550 Yeah, but I mean, that's also a lot of pressure. 1135 01:00:40,550 --> 01:00:42,750 I feel like, because there's not, that's the thing. 1136 01:00:42,750 --> 01:00:46,110 Because there's not that many openly gay, high, high, high 1137 01:00:46,110 --> 01:00:49,510 profile couples. It does put a lot of pressure on 1138 01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:54,070 the most famous ones. I know that other couples don't 1139 01:00:54,070 --> 01:01:00,550 have it. Does I have another bad thing 1140 01:01:00,550 --> 01:01:02,910 that? Should I share it? 1141 01:01:04,230 --> 01:01:07,670 Yeah. OK, Neil. 1142 01:01:08,460 --> 01:01:12,660 OK, I'm live with Kelly. Uh oh, and guys, excuse my 1143 01:01:12,660 --> 01:01:14,500 language. I'm quoting here. 1144 01:01:14,740 --> 01:01:17,460 Uh oh. Nearly used the word tranny 1145 01:01:18,220 --> 01:01:22,020 because he inhaled some sulfur hexafluoride, which is helium's 1146 01:01:22,020 --> 01:01:25,500 evil twin, during a science experiment that made his voice 1147 01:01:25,500 --> 01:01:26,940 sound lower. What? 1148 01:01:27,060 --> 01:01:30,620 And then I guess when it came back when the gas expired, he 1149 01:01:30,620 --> 01:01:33,220 said I've never sounded more like a tranny in my life. 1150 01:01:33,220 --> 01:01:34,620 He said. He said that on live TV. 1151 01:01:34,620 --> 01:01:40,240 Yeah, but then Neil Neil apologized for saying it and the 1152 01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:45,000 glad Gay and Lesbian Elite Alliance Against Defamation no 1153 01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:49,160 accepted the apology and said it's heartening to see a 1154 01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,280 celebrity of Harris's statue recognized and apologized for 1155 01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,920 using the slur in such a timely manner and for a greater media 1156 01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:00,040 attention being paid to its use. Many people do not realize that 1157 01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,560 the word excuse me guys, but tranny is one of the most 1158 01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,570 hurtful and dehumanizing slurs that transgender people here. 1159 01:02:06,570 --> 01:02:08,690 Most transgender people associate that word with 1160 01:02:08,690 --> 01:02:12,970 personal experiences of violence, hatred and division. 1161 01:02:13,210 --> 01:02:17,250 And it's crazy because at that time might not see it not long 1162 01:02:17,250 --> 01:02:19,170 ago. But seems like people didn't 1163 01:02:19,170 --> 01:02:21,970 even know that that word was like offensive because at the 1164 01:02:22,010 --> 01:02:25,170 end of the article it said glad verse Glee. 1165 01:02:25,580 --> 01:02:28,540 Is tranny a bad word? Or did they use that word on 1166 01:02:28,540 --> 01:02:29,420 Glee? I guess so. 1167 01:02:30,220 --> 01:02:32,380 Oh, I know. Yeah, I felt. 1168 01:02:32,380 --> 01:02:38,380 Glee was weirdly homophobic. I know it was also very pro gay. 1169 01:02:38,420 --> 01:02:43,580 Yeah, At the same time, yeah. So that yeah, that was a very 1170 01:02:43,580 --> 01:02:46,460 weird time in culture. And it was crazy. 1171 01:02:46,460 --> 01:02:48,780 At the end of the article they were like, is it a bad word? 1172 01:02:48,860 --> 01:02:49,780 Yeah. Wait, sorry. 1173 01:02:49,780 --> 01:02:51,460 I should say Glee was transphobic. 1174 01:02:51,820 --> 01:02:55,910 Yeah, yeah. I feel like I always knew it was 1175 01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:59,310 a bad word, but maybe that's revisionist history on my part. 1176 01:03:01,310 --> 01:03:02,750 I don't know. Gosh. 1177 01:03:03,870 --> 01:03:05,070 Yeah. Neil. 1178 01:03:05,070 --> 01:03:05,670 Neil. Neil. 1179 01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:07,550 Neil. Well, you know, I think. 1180 01:03:07,550 --> 01:03:12,070 That's good that his apology was appreciated. 1181 01:03:12,070 --> 01:03:14,790 I think that's doesn't happen enough. 1182 01:03:14,790 --> 01:03:19,450 So yeah, I think he learned. Wow. 1183 01:03:19,450 --> 01:03:20,850 But that's crazy that he just said. 1184 01:03:20,850 --> 01:03:28,170 It's like daytime TV ooh. He's raunchy, but do you think, 1185 01:03:28,330 --> 01:03:31,810 like, whenever I'm what I'm gonna say, always cut it out? 1186 01:03:31,810 --> 01:03:36,970 Like, as a member of the LGBTQ community, he might have felt 1187 01:03:36,970 --> 01:03:39,770 more comfortable to say it because he feels like we're all 1188 01:03:39,770 --> 01:03:41,850 like in a similar community, you know? 1189 01:03:42,330 --> 01:03:44,810 I feel like you do see that sometimes. 1190 01:03:46,290 --> 01:03:51,960 I don't know. I don't know, 2012 dinner and 1191 01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,680 2012 this. That out magazine article that I 1192 01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,040 keep referring to is a very long article. 1193 01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:03,440 Neil wrote more about their relationship and I thought it 1194 01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:08,040 was pretty open and interesting. He said if we have a fault, it's 1195 01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,120 probably over communication. When I'm cranky, I'm admittedly 1196 01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:12,640 cranky. When I'm in a hurry and 1197 01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,400 distracted, I can't act like it's any other way. 1198 01:04:15,780 --> 01:04:17,980 And he's good with that too. So we talk things out. 1199 01:04:17,980 --> 01:04:20,220 I don't want to paint a relationship like we met. 1200 01:04:20,460 --> 01:04:23,300 It's been happy family fantasticness ever since. 1201 01:04:23,580 --> 01:04:25,900 What defines a relationship is the work that's involved to 1202 01:04:25,900 --> 01:04:27,580 maintain it, and it's constantly changing. 1203 01:04:27,580 --> 01:04:30,740 Sometimes I'm deeply in love with David and head over heels, 1204 01:04:30,980 --> 01:04:33,780 and sometimes I question whether it's going to work out and is 1205 01:04:33,780 --> 01:04:35,580 meant to be. It's like a business 1206 01:04:35,580 --> 01:04:37,180 relationship as well as personal one. 1207 01:04:37,180 --> 01:04:40,420 We have a business together and that's maintaining our love for 1208 01:04:40,420 --> 01:04:42,220 one another. Oh, that's sweet. 1209 01:04:42,260 --> 01:04:45,610 It kind of runs me of the Obama. Yeah, I mean, too made me think 1210 01:04:45,610 --> 01:04:48,410 of that too. I think that's really, really 1211 01:04:48,410 --> 01:04:53,050 open to say that. And I also appreciate hearing 1212 01:04:53,050 --> 01:04:54,570 that. Yeah, the honesty because. 1213 01:04:54,690 --> 01:04:58,690 It's hard work, yeah. But also I feel like sometimes 1214 01:05:00,090 --> 01:05:05,970 people act like if you ever have doubt or like if you ever think, 1215 01:05:06,570 --> 01:05:09,410 I don't know, then that means like you should leave. 1216 01:05:09,410 --> 01:05:13,020 But I'm sure if you have relationships that are really 1217 01:05:13,020 --> 01:05:15,980 long, that's going to happen 100%. 1218 01:05:16,820 --> 01:05:20,460 You know, as they say, like thoughts can come and go. 1219 01:05:20,460 --> 01:05:23,060 Like you don't have to be attached to all your thoughts 1220 01:05:23,100 --> 01:05:26,020 and as long as you aren't happy that then you make the decision 1221 01:05:26,020 --> 01:05:28,380 to stay together like it seems like he is. 1222 01:05:29,260 --> 01:05:32,860 Yeah, but also you're not going to be happy in every time in 1223 01:05:32,860 --> 01:05:34,540 your life. And there might be times where 1224 01:05:34,540 --> 01:05:37,020 something else is going on in your life and then that makes 1225 01:05:37,020 --> 01:05:39,410 you doubt like. Oh, is it the relationship? 1226 01:05:39,970 --> 01:05:43,570 I mean, if you're together with someone that long, oh, sorry, 1227 01:05:43,570 --> 01:05:45,610 you're not going to be madly in love the whole time. 1228 01:05:46,850 --> 01:05:50,370 So I appreciate him saying that they apparently David and Neil 1229 01:05:50,370 --> 01:05:55,170 created a short lived TV series called Neil's Puppet Dreams 1230 01:05:55,170 --> 01:05:57,890 which was a puppet show I've. Never heard of it, I know. 1231 01:05:58,490 --> 01:06:02,850 And then that Halloween in 2012, the theme was Wizard of Oz. 1232 01:06:02,930 --> 01:06:04,170 OK, let me guess who everyone was. 1233 01:06:04,610 --> 01:06:08,720 Neil, I'm going to say was the. Ten man. 1234 01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:10,920 Yes. Really. 1235 01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:12,680 And David was the scare girl. Yeah. 1236 01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:13,920 How did you get? I don't know. 1237 01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,640 And then I bet the baby boy was the lion. 1238 01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,000 Yeah. And I bet the girl was Dorothy. 1239 01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,880 You're right. Wow, Mel, Mel is really good at 1240 01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,160 guessing these. Oh my God, that's so you know, 1241 01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,360 they do the family thing, but then they also come, they do the 1242 01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,680 adult thing. And they went to Katy Perry's 1243 01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:34,830 Halloween birthday party. And we have mentioned this party 1244 01:06:34,830 --> 01:06:36,430 before because Kristen Stewart was there. 1245 01:06:36,590 --> 01:06:41,270 Yes, I think we mentioned it in the Katy Perry episode. 1246 01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:43,190 Wait, was that the one when John Mayer was there? 1247 01:06:43,590 --> 01:06:46,910 Yeah, yeah, Neil and David were there too. 1248 01:06:47,110 --> 01:06:49,150 Oh my God. This party. 1249 01:06:51,150 --> 01:06:54,910 February 2013. The National Enquirer. 1250 01:06:56,190 --> 01:06:59,310 Who cares what they think? But the National Enquirer ran a 1251 01:06:59,310 --> 01:07:02,890 story that claimed that David and Neil, it called off their 1252 01:07:02,890 --> 01:07:05,970 wedding date. I feel like nobody trusts the 1253 01:07:05,970 --> 01:07:09,490 National Enquirer anyway, so I'm not sure why he felt compelled 1254 01:07:09,490 --> 01:07:14,410 to do this. But Neil tweeted, the National 1255 01:07:14,770 --> 01:07:19,130 Enquirer is Cray Cray. We've never had a wedding date, 1256 01:07:19,130 --> 01:07:23,250 just engaged Prop 8 and all. We're on a cruise as I write. 1257 01:07:23,250 --> 01:07:24,810 He's rad. All good. 1258 01:07:27,130 --> 01:07:28,610 He's rad. All good. 1259 01:07:28,610 --> 01:07:29,930 Yeah, I feel like that. Almost like. 1260 01:07:31,010 --> 01:07:32,850 Exposes like some sense of insecurity. 1261 01:07:32,850 --> 01:07:37,050 You know, the fame, and maybe people being able to write 1262 01:07:37,050 --> 01:07:39,610 whatever they want about you. Are they still not married? 1263 01:07:40,650 --> 01:07:42,250 Not yet. Wow. 1264 01:07:42,410 --> 01:07:46,770 Still not married. And then June 2013, to celebrate 1265 01:07:46,770 --> 01:07:50,810 turning 40, Neil, David and the kids went to Disneyland 1266 01:07:50,810 --> 01:07:53,650 together, and it seems like they really like Disney. 1267 01:07:53,650 --> 01:07:54,930 And they go a lot. I can see that. 1268 01:07:55,370 --> 01:07:56,530 You know what? It is funny. 1269 01:07:56,530 --> 01:07:59,330 I feel like there is a strong correlation between people who 1270 01:07:59,330 --> 01:08:01,680 really like Halloween. And people who really like 1271 01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,400 Disney. Actually, I agree with you, 1272 01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,520 isn't it? I didn't think of some people 1273 01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:08,400 like that. Huge overlap, yeah. 1274 01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:11,720 And they love spooky stuff. Yeah, and Disney. 1275 01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,920 Huge overlap. Why is that? 1276 01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:17,960 I know, I wondered. So now do a thesis on that. 1277 01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,319 Yeah, the dressing up. The magic. 1278 01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:23,720 Yeah, being. Somebody else getting, yeah, the 1279 01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:26,479 make believe. I think, yeah, it's definitely a 1280 01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:30,080 personality type. They love the make believe Neil 1281 01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,240 hosts the Tony's for the 4th time. 1282 01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:37,439 Wow 2013 He's hosting Pro Halloween 2013. 1283 01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:40,960 It's Halloween again. I We do like every Halloween, by 1284 01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:42,240 the way. OK good. 1285 01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:46,240 I like the guessing. Keep giving me the theme for the 1286 01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:49,760 Twins Preschool Carnival. They dressed the kids as Alice 1287 01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:51,760 in Wonderland. Oh, I already gave it away. 1288 01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:55,720 Is Alice in Wonderland and the White Rabbit. 1289 01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:58,960 I can't remember which ones which, and the dads were 1290 01:08:59,510 --> 01:09:01,390 Tweedledee and tweedledum. Oh cute. 1291 01:09:01,510 --> 01:09:03,670 Yeah, cute. Sorry, I kind of gave it away. 1292 01:09:03,750 --> 01:09:05,229 No, that's yeah, we'll do the next one. 1293 01:09:05,229 --> 01:09:10,990 Next one. 2013, Neil was on HuffPost Live, interviewed by an 1294 01:09:10,990 --> 01:09:14,350 Australian journalist about his sexuality. 1295 01:09:15,029 --> 01:09:18,390 Of course, I feel like we always get Australian journalists 1296 01:09:19,510 --> 01:09:21,950 asking the uncomfortable questions. 1297 01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:23,870 Yeah, and I'm going to play a clip. 1298 01:09:24,189 --> 01:09:26,590 I have to ask you about being one of the first openly gay. 1299 01:09:27,370 --> 01:09:29,689 Stars. What was that experience like? 1300 01:09:31,170 --> 01:09:32,490 How do you mean? What? 1301 01:09:32,490 --> 01:09:35,810 What led you to do that? Was it just a logical, obvious 1302 01:09:35,810 --> 01:09:38,250 thing for you to do? And why do you think fewer, more 1303 01:09:38,250 --> 01:09:41,569 people didn't do it? Oh well, the second question is 1304 01:09:41,569 --> 01:09:44,410 a big giant answer. I mean, like, there's a tricky 1 1305 01:09:44,410 --> 01:09:48,569 to answer for me. I you know, I fell in love with 1306 01:09:48,569 --> 01:09:53,210 a dude and started spending all my time with him, and therefore 1307 01:09:53,810 --> 01:09:55,810 you don't want to be like, suppressive of that. 1308 01:09:56,390 --> 01:10:05,830 And so as I started working more with like more frequently, with 1309 01:10:05,830 --> 01:10:09,510 more eyes on us, I figured that that was inevitability. 1310 01:10:09,670 --> 01:10:12,910 And the opposite would be, again, suppressive and like we 1311 01:10:12,910 --> 01:10:16,030 found ourselves going to movie premieres. 1312 01:10:16,670 --> 01:10:18,350 And then wondering like, well, what is that? 1313 01:10:18,350 --> 01:10:20,830 So you're gonna go, you'll go around the other side of the 1314 01:10:20,870 --> 01:10:22,550 I'll go down the red carpet by myself. 1315 01:10:22,550 --> 01:10:24,870 But if we go down the red carpet together, then are we making 1316 01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:29,510 some sort of statement by doing so and so And then I didn't want 1317 01:10:29,510 --> 01:10:31,550 to disrespect David on either direction. 1318 01:10:31,550 --> 01:10:35,710 I didn't want to make David feel like he didn't exist in my life. 1319 01:10:35,710 --> 01:10:39,270 And at the same time I didn't want David's identity to be the 1320 01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:41,350 guy that's dating me. So. 1321 01:10:42,150 --> 01:10:43,630 It's a very individual thing, you know. 1322 01:10:43,630 --> 01:10:47,190 I think we live now in a time where people seem less concerned 1323 01:10:47,190 --> 01:10:51,110 about who you're effing and more importantly, who you fall in 1324 01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:54,510 love with. It's not quite such a freak show 1325 01:10:54,510 --> 01:10:57,870 kind of aberration. Certainly 13, yeah. 1326 01:10:57,950 --> 01:11:00,520 Yeah. So I think to the the second 1327 01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:02,400 part of your question, like why don't more people do it? 1328 01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:05,600 I mean that's an easy thing to say, but if you're struggling 1329 01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,800 with any of that yourself, you can't just go like, oh, OK and 1330 01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:11,960 then do it like it's little baby steps of acceptance in your own 1331 01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:15,520 personal sphere. And then in in, you know you 1332 01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,800 have to choose the times that feel right to you to make moves 1333 01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:21,410 and. And those moves could be for 1334 01:11:21,410 --> 01:11:23,090 various reasons. So I think it's a super 1335 01:11:23,090 --> 01:11:25,450 individual thing. What do you make of of people 1336 01:11:25,450 --> 01:11:28,090 outing other people? I mean, Lance Bass recently made 1337 01:11:28,330 --> 01:11:30,570 made a little bit of news by saying that he knows obviously 1338 01:11:30,570 --> 01:11:33,690 other celebrities who are closeted and he has to sort of 1339 01:11:33,690 --> 01:11:38,690 lie in order to to keep them in the closet, to keep their cover. 1340 01:11:38,690 --> 01:11:41,290 I presume that you know other people who we don't know about. 1341 01:11:42,330 --> 01:11:44,930 Well, I'm a magician, so I'm really good at lying without 1342 01:11:44,930 --> 01:11:47,850 letting you know I'm doing so. But what do you make of people 1343 01:11:47,850 --> 01:11:53,180 who out other people? Well, it just depends on the 1344 01:11:53,180 --> 01:11:55,180 context, I guess, right. You're never going to want to, 1345 01:11:55,180 --> 01:11:59,380 you're never going to want to say anything to, like freak 1346 01:11:59,980 --> 01:12:01,380 people out. You don't want to say anything 1347 01:12:01,380 --> 01:12:03,420 to prove a point. Like, I don't think. 1348 01:12:03,860 --> 01:12:08,780 I don't think like doing it in sort of an exploitive way makes 1349 01:12:08,780 --> 01:12:11,460 any sense. Again, I just feel like that 1350 01:12:11,460 --> 01:12:15,380 whole world is very personal. And so to nudge. 1351 01:12:15,790 --> 01:12:18,670 I think it's not a good idea. I mean, there are certain people 1352 01:12:18,670 --> 01:12:21,630 who, you know, For example, last week Gawker supposedly outed 1353 01:12:21,630 --> 01:12:24,030 Shepard Smith this this Fox News post. 1354 01:12:24,030 --> 01:12:25,790 Now, I didn't know that there was any closet around him. 1355 01:12:25,790 --> 01:12:27,550 I just always assumed that everybody knew that he was gay. 1356 01:12:27,550 --> 01:12:28,870 A bit like Anderson Cooper or something. 1357 01:12:29,690 --> 01:12:31,250 And. Again, like with those people, 1358 01:12:31,290 --> 01:12:34,290 you're choosing to watch them feed you information. 1359 01:12:34,290 --> 01:12:38,330 Their job is is for you to is to gain information from them. 1360 01:12:38,490 --> 01:12:40,650 So from their point of view, I can totally understand why you 1361 01:12:40,650 --> 01:12:44,330 wouldn't want people who may have a biased against you if 1362 01:12:44,330 --> 01:12:46,610 they know more about your personal life to be watching the 1363 01:12:46,610 --> 01:12:48,490 news that you're giving and already thinking that you're 1364 01:12:48,490 --> 01:12:51,530 slanting it in a specific way. That's the other person's bias, 1365 01:12:51,530 --> 01:12:53,090 not theirs. But I can understand why they 1366 01:12:53,090 --> 01:12:55,450 wouldn't want to put their own personal world into that. 1367 01:12:55,930 --> 01:12:58,810 So I I I can understand why they would not want to. 1368 01:12:59,350 --> 01:13:01,790 Be doing that in that specific instance. 1369 01:13:01,830 --> 01:13:03,430 Yeah, I mean the. Anderson or something, Anderson 1370 01:13:03,710 --> 01:13:05,910 tells the News. Yeah, he has conversations with 1371 01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:08,590 people about newsworthy subjects, and so he 1372 01:13:08,790 --> 01:13:10,830 understandably probably didn't want people to know a lot about 1373 01:13:10,830 --> 01:13:12,910 him because that's not his job, you know? 1374 01:13:12,990 --> 01:13:16,190 I don't want to know about Walter Cronkite's exploits. 1375 01:13:16,190 --> 01:13:18,150 I want to watch Walter Cronkite read the news to me. 1376 01:13:18,150 --> 01:13:19,230 You don't know what that means either. 1377 01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:20,430 Flesh your heart. He was a. 1378 01:13:20,470 --> 01:13:23,390 Newscaster. I know who was it was? 1379 01:13:24,110 --> 01:13:26,430 Oh my God, the wind know Patrick Harris. 1380 01:13:26,430 --> 01:13:29,430 In the beginning, he was like. He, I know he puts his head 1381 01:13:29,430 --> 01:13:30,270 back. He's like, what do you mean? 1382 01:13:30,350 --> 01:13:33,630 Yeah, you know, that would scare me. 1383 01:13:33,630 --> 01:13:35,830 But this journalist didn't even seem fazed by it. 1384 01:13:35,870 --> 01:13:40,070 Yeah, it's so funny. But I mean, I do think it is a 1385 01:13:41,150 --> 01:13:45,110 interesting question like it. I mean it is a unique 1386 01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:48,110 perspective that Neil Patrick Harris has that he was one of 1387 01:13:48,110 --> 01:13:53,430 the first open link gay high profile celebrities of the 2000s 1388 01:13:53,470 --> 01:13:57,080 and. It is a fair question, I think, 1389 01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:02,480 but it's weird that the journalists seem to be saying, 1390 01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:07,640 well, if we all know anyway, then yeah, what's so wrong about 1391 01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:08,720 it? And he's like, well, you don't 1392 01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:10,560 really know. Yeah, exactly. 1393 01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,120 I mean, it makes sense too. It's Oh my God, you know, 1394 01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:19,160 Patrick Harris, the way he speaks, like people laughing. 1395 01:14:20,900 --> 01:14:23,140 I wonder if that's why his character on How I Met Your 1396 01:14:23,140 --> 01:14:25,740 Mother is like, that's what I thought he kind of is a little 1397 01:14:25,740 --> 01:14:31,100 bit, way more over the top. I watched some of some clips to 1398 01:14:31,100 --> 01:14:35,460 prepare and he's he's a lot more of a player, almost like a 1399 01:14:35,460 --> 01:14:38,820 comedic Chuck Bass. And yeah, Chuck bass is like 1400 01:14:39,420 --> 01:14:42,140 darker. But he's always saying things 1401 01:14:42,140 --> 01:14:45,100 like, oh, I'm going to go talk to that girl or. 1402 01:14:46,620 --> 01:14:49,060 But he doesn't have a little time of intimidating. 1403 01:14:49,410 --> 01:14:52,050 Yeah, he is something about he's. 1404 01:14:52,090 --> 01:14:55,570 Not going to smile to make you feel comfortable. 1405 01:14:57,730 --> 01:15:00,730 He seems friendly, but there is something intimidating about 1406 01:15:00,770 --> 01:15:02,850 Yeah, I don't. And he's actually said that. 1407 01:15:02,890 --> 01:15:05,290 Oh, interesting, he said. People say I'm intimidating and 1408 01:15:05,290 --> 01:15:07,970 I don't know why. He does seem mad, yeah. 1409 01:15:08,130 --> 01:15:12,890 I'd be nervous meeting him. I know David seems really nice, 1410 01:15:12,890 --> 01:15:13,370 though. I don't. 1411 01:15:13,570 --> 01:15:16,730 You'll see him in a second. But in 2013, they went out to 1412 01:15:16,730 --> 01:15:19,650 dinner with Elton John for Elton's birthday. 1413 01:15:19,690 --> 01:15:21,930 I love Elton. Just cool with their friends. 1414 01:15:21,930 --> 01:15:26,530 But weirdly, a few months later there was a picture of Neil 1415 01:15:27,250 --> 01:15:30,450 Elton. OK, I feel like really gossipy 1416 01:15:30,450 --> 01:15:33,210 for sharing this. I feel like I'm like People 1417 01:15:33,210 --> 01:15:38,140 magazine or something. Picture of Neil Elton, Elton's 1418 01:15:38,140 --> 01:15:39,940 husband. David Furnish. 1419 01:15:39,940 --> 01:15:43,300 Yeah, and David Burka taking group picture. 1420 01:15:43,500 --> 01:15:47,940 And in the back, you can see David Furnish is touching Neil's 1421 01:15:48,180 --> 01:15:49,820 butt. That's cute. 1422 01:15:50,860 --> 01:15:55,140 David Furnish. Oh, David Furnish, Elton John's 1423 01:15:55,140 --> 01:15:57,500 husband. Oh, is. 1424 01:15:57,580 --> 01:15:59,620 Touching Neil's butt. What are you gonna show me The 1425 01:15:59,660 --> 01:16:01,820 picture? And then from the front, Neil 1426 01:16:01,820 --> 01:16:04,740 looks very serious. He's not smiling. 1427 01:16:04,740 --> 01:16:08,770 How can you? See the back of the picture I 1428 01:16:08,770 --> 01:16:10,210 have to find. I have a folder of. 1429 01:16:10,850 --> 01:16:16,890 With their multiple angles, yes. OK, ooh, that is disrespectful. 1430 01:16:16,890 --> 01:16:19,610 It's crazy. That is bad. 1431 01:16:19,850 --> 01:16:22,170 I don't know what the deal is. Because confused about whose 1432 01:16:22,170 --> 01:16:26,450 butt it was. OK, this is from the front. 1433 01:16:26,890 --> 01:16:30,330 That's David Furnish, Ellen's husband. 1434 01:16:30,330 --> 01:16:32,290 And here's Neil Elton, obviously. 1435 01:16:32,330 --> 01:16:34,770 Then there's David breakup. Ellen doesn't look that happy 1436 01:16:34,770 --> 01:16:35,650 either. I know. 1437 01:16:35,730 --> 01:16:45,130 And then on the back, Oh my. God, wait, He's touching Neil's 1438 01:16:45,130 --> 01:16:47,810 butt. He's touching Neil's butt and 1439 01:16:47,810 --> 01:16:49,010 that's. A grab? 1440 01:16:49,370 --> 01:16:51,410 Yeah, he is. He's cupping it. 1441 01:16:51,490 --> 01:16:55,050 Yeah. Ooh, what's the deal? 1442 01:16:57,050 --> 01:16:58,690 And then this is the deal. It's the piss. 1443 01:16:58,970 --> 01:17:03,370 Neil does not look cabbie. It's really like. 1444 01:17:03,940 --> 01:17:07,740 I'm I'm standing next to Elton John, a legend I cannot use his 1445 01:17:07,740 --> 01:17:11,420 husband of. Just like grabbing my ass right 1446 01:17:11,420 --> 01:17:13,260 now. I know it's just a picture, but 1447 01:17:13,260 --> 01:17:17,580 David Furnish looks so creepy. Like his smile, just knowing 1448 01:17:17,580 --> 01:17:19,020 that he's smiling. So big. 1449 01:17:19,020 --> 01:17:21,100 And then doing that. That is creepy. 1450 01:17:21,100 --> 01:17:23,780 But here's the weird thing. They hang out with Elton and 1451 01:17:23,780 --> 01:17:27,980 David Furnish many times after this, so I don't know what the 1452 01:17:27,980 --> 01:17:29,740 deal is. Yeah, maybe it's just like a 1453 01:17:29,780 --> 01:17:31,540 joking thing. Maybe. 1454 01:17:32,480 --> 01:17:33,880 Very weird. Interesting. 1455 01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:37,480 David Birkin know about this? Well, we know about it, so he 1456 01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:40,440 probably does. Yeah. 1457 01:17:40,440 --> 01:17:44,080 I I was shocked. That's also near the end of my 1458 01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:45,440 research. You know, you almost sometimes 1459 01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:46,360 miss things. Yeah. 1460 01:17:46,480 --> 01:17:48,600 And you're like, wait a second. Yeah. 1461 01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:51,840 Oh, my God. So not sure what's going on 1462 01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:56,600 there in 2014. OK, remember I kept mixing up 1463 01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:59,920 David Burtka with Justin Bartha? Is there a reason? 1464 01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:03,520 Well, one time they were both at the all three of them were at 1465 01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:07,560 the Stand Up to Cancer event and they posted pictures together. 1466 01:18:08,160 --> 01:18:11,400 I don't have, I don't have it with me, but I was like, wow. 1467 01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:16,680 OK, here is Justin Bartha with David Burtka. 1468 01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:19,440 This is what I've been waiting for. 1469 01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:23,800 I need to look up Justin Bartha. It's just because of their 1470 01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:26,880 names. They don't look like, no, I 1471 01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,960 don't think they look like. I mean, they're both have brown 1472 01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:32,360 hair. Yeah, well, you know, I'm not 1473 01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:36,000 with pieces, but it's purely the last name. 1474 01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:41,320 Anyway, March 2014, the family finally moves back to New York. 1475 01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,080 They bought a townhouse in Harlem. 1476 01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:50,840 Neil returned to Broadway in Hedwig and The Angry Itch, and 1477 01:18:52,090 --> 01:18:55,050 about their Harlem townhouse they did a video for 1478 01:18:55,050 --> 01:18:58,250 Architectural Digest take. I think this was a little later, 1479 01:18:58,250 --> 01:19:01,170 but taking them through the house, it's a very charming 1480 01:19:01,170 --> 01:19:04,290 brownstone and they have a lot of art. 1481 01:19:04,330 --> 01:19:07,490 I know. And David said, OK, this is 1482 01:19:07,490 --> 01:19:11,090 where I got the eclectic thing from, because their house is 1483 01:19:11,210 --> 01:19:17,730 very quirky, Lots of interesting objects and art and collectibles 1484 01:19:17,730 --> 01:19:20,890 and weird things. And David said he'd been doing 1485 01:19:20,890 --> 01:19:24,850 taxidermy lessons. Weird. 1486 01:19:26,610 --> 01:19:32,170 Maybe the cake was yeah, that's a little telling because they 1487 01:19:32,170 --> 01:19:35,810 had some taxidermy. They had a lot of quirky things, 1488 01:19:35,810 --> 01:19:38,650 like look at this type of things, like little people in 1489 01:19:38,650 --> 01:19:41,490 the wall with a 3D diorama inside. 1490 01:19:41,490 --> 01:19:43,890 It's actually really cute. They had a flip book on the wall 1491 01:19:43,890 --> 01:19:47,610 that's of the family. They had an old phonograph. 1492 01:19:48,380 --> 01:19:51,100 Seemed like they probably really enjoy going to antique stores 1493 01:19:51,100 --> 01:19:53,340 together. It's a bit crowded, it's a bit 1494 01:19:53,340 --> 01:19:55,540 cluttered in there. But I relate. 1495 01:19:55,540 --> 01:19:57,900 I mean, I I kind of live like that too. 1496 01:19:58,260 --> 01:20:03,380 A lot of custom art of their kids, tons. 1497 01:20:04,340 --> 01:20:08,100 Their staircases covered in pictures, completely covered. 1498 01:20:08,540 --> 01:20:11,140 Yeah, it's cute. And all their Halloween pictures 1499 01:20:11,140 --> 01:20:13,100 are on the wall. It's really cute. 1500 01:20:13,650 --> 01:20:16,250 This place is full of all their art. 1501 01:20:17,090 --> 01:20:20,250 Like, no, some celebrities, their houses are really they're 1502 01:20:20,250 --> 01:20:23,210 like them, white. Yeah, no, this place is like, 1503 01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:25,670 there's there's a sculpture here. 1504 01:20:26,270 --> 01:20:28,830 Quirky little thing here. There's this thing, this thing, 1505 01:20:28,830 --> 01:20:30,350 this thing. Like, there's so much stuff. 1506 01:20:30,350 --> 01:20:32,510 I do have appreciation for maximalism. 1507 01:20:32,750 --> 01:20:34,030 Me too. I I thought I was really 1508 01:20:34,030 --> 01:20:37,470 refreshing. And it's really cute how much 1509 01:20:37,510 --> 01:20:38,910 they have of their kids on the walls. 1510 01:20:38,910 --> 01:20:40,750 Like, you can tell they love them. 1511 01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:41,950 They talk about them all the time. 1512 01:20:41,950 --> 01:20:43,710 It seems like they're really good dads. 1513 01:20:44,950 --> 01:20:46,830 Yeah, and I thought it was funny. 1514 01:20:46,830 --> 01:20:50,790 One of Neil's most Priors possessions is one of the 1515 01:20:50,790 --> 01:20:55,290 stretching portraits from the Disney's Haunted Mansion. 1516 01:20:55,530 --> 01:20:58,970 I guess he got it at a auction. Oh wow. 1517 01:20:59,210 --> 01:21:02,130 And he's he's very particular riding. 1518 01:21:02,130 --> 01:21:03,770 He's like it's my prize revision. 1519 01:21:03,770 --> 01:21:06,370 No one's allowed to touch it that he has like a little 1520 01:21:06,370 --> 01:21:08,450 barrier thing. All that's that you. 1521 01:21:08,650 --> 01:21:11,810 Yeah. So that's why I was like, OK, 1522 01:21:11,810 --> 01:21:16,450 he's very type A like he, he likes his things, you know? 1523 01:21:16,890 --> 01:21:20,170 Yeah, I really May 2014, Neil was on the cover of Rolling 1524 01:21:20,170 --> 01:21:25,090 Stone, naked with just a top hat covering his junk. 1525 01:21:25,970 --> 01:21:29,050 He's pretty scandalous. I think it's because he was in 1526 01:21:29,810 --> 01:21:32,850 Hedwig and the Angry Itch, It's, you know, it's kind of a raunchy 1527 01:21:33,090 --> 01:21:36,930 play from 2014. They were both on Oprah and they 1528 01:21:36,930 --> 01:21:39,130 talked about previously dating women. 1529 01:21:39,730 --> 01:21:42,050 I thought I would share this. Clip Yeah, I'd love to hear 1530 01:21:42,050 --> 01:21:44,890 their voices together. What word do you all use? 1531 01:21:44,930 --> 01:21:48,090 Fiance usually or because you can't use the word. 1532 01:21:48,170 --> 01:21:50,970 I just think partners the strangest word, yes, because I 1533 01:21:50,970 --> 01:21:53,490 meet now, I meet grown businessmen and he's like, this 1534 01:21:53,490 --> 01:21:56,130 is my partner Jim, and I don't know if they're in business. 1535 01:21:56,570 --> 01:21:58,130 Together. Or if they're a gay couple. 1536 01:21:58,130 --> 01:22:02,090 Or they're Cowboys. Stole my punchline? 1537 01:22:02,930 --> 01:22:06,050 Not dare. You did you ever at any point? 1538 01:22:06,250 --> 01:22:09,290 Because I've read that you both have dated women, right? 1539 01:22:09,730 --> 01:22:10,530 Yeah. Good times. 1540 01:22:10,930 --> 01:22:12,290 Good times. Yeah. 1541 01:22:13,630 --> 01:22:14,590 Were you? Were you? 1542 01:22:15,030 --> 01:22:17,590 That's explain that to me because you know, I I have a gay 1543 01:22:17,590 --> 01:22:19,830 friend who said that the only way you could have sex with a 1544 01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:21,910 woman if a man's picture was on the headboard. 1545 01:22:22,310 --> 01:22:24,830 So. So that's classy. 1546 01:22:26,350 --> 01:22:29,430 So did you go out? Did you date? 1547 01:22:29,430 --> 01:22:32,310 Did you? I dated a fair amount. 1548 01:22:32,470 --> 01:22:36,430 I didn't really feel like I'm a liar and I'm gay and I'm doing 1549 01:22:36,430 --> 01:22:39,110 this and I wish I wasn't. But I did feel like it wasn't 1550 01:22:39,110 --> 01:22:42,110 clicking like it was supposed to, and I kept wondering it was. 1551 01:22:42,530 --> 01:22:43,770 Me. Was it by dating? 1552 01:22:43,850 --> 01:22:46,290 I mean, you actually, like, had sex with girls. 1553 01:22:46,370 --> 01:22:46,890 Yeah. Yeah. 1554 01:22:46,970 --> 01:22:48,170 You too. Oh, yeah. 1555 01:22:48,290 --> 01:22:49,610 Oh yeah. Yeah, he's crazy. 1556 01:22:50,490 --> 01:22:51,970 Oh, yeah. So did you think you were 1557 01:22:51,970 --> 01:22:54,090 bisexual or is there such a thing? 1558 01:22:54,090 --> 01:22:58,610 You know, with the Kinsey scale. I don't know if you're familiar 1559 01:22:58,610 --> 01:22:59,650 with that. Of course I am. 1560 01:23:00,330 --> 01:23:03,650 I've done the Oprah show. Hello the what? 1561 01:23:03,650 --> 01:23:06,450 I wait a second. Here. 1562 01:23:08,220 --> 01:23:12,580 No, but I think there is a a raging scale of sexuality and I 1563 01:23:12,580 --> 01:23:16,980 think you can go to one side or another. 1564 01:23:17,340 --> 01:23:20,980 So tell me, would you have come out when you came out and had it 1565 01:23:20,980 --> 01:23:23,020 not been for Perez Hilton, did he? 1566 01:23:24,500 --> 01:23:29,420 Well, probably not that at that time day. 1567 01:23:29,860 --> 01:23:32,740 But I certainly felt it was an inevitability at that time we 1568 01:23:32,740 --> 01:23:35,100 would go to. How I Met your other events 1569 01:23:35,100 --> 01:23:38,740 together and everyone knew David and that we were a couple, so I 1570 01:23:38,740 --> 01:23:41,620 wasn't hiding anything, but it was just never a big 1571 01:23:41,660 --> 01:23:43,740 announcement that I was needing to make. 1572 01:23:44,660 --> 01:23:48,580 However, I felt like at a certain point red carpet things 1573 01:23:48,580 --> 01:23:52,700 became complicated because I'd go down the red carpet if I went 1574 01:23:52,700 --> 01:23:54,420 down the red carpet and he didn't go with me, it looked 1575 01:23:54,420 --> 01:23:56,580 like a slight to him. And if we went down the red 1576 01:23:56,580 --> 01:23:59,020 carpet together then it looked like we were making some sort of 1577 01:23:59,020 --> 01:24:01,940 announcements and so it just always felt a little. 1578 01:24:02,890 --> 01:24:05,290 Uncomfortable. Yeah, you know, and isn't it 1579 01:24:05,290 --> 01:24:09,610 interesting once you actually came out, that was like a like a 1580 01:24:09,610 --> 01:24:12,130 nonstarter. Like you're one of the few 1581 01:24:12,130 --> 01:24:16,090 actors who's been able to come out and absolutely nothing 1582 01:24:16,090 --> 01:24:18,370 happened to your career. Everybody's so afraid of making 1583 01:24:18,370 --> 01:24:20,730 that announcement or letting people know. 1584 01:24:21,650 --> 01:24:23,930 I think only positively, honestly. 1585 01:24:24,450 --> 01:24:28,930 It allowed me to to live more full body and not feel like I 1586 01:24:28,930 --> 01:24:33,500 was going to be exposed. I was kind of exposed and you 1587 01:24:33,500 --> 01:24:35,860 asked about the Perez Hilton question earlier. 1588 01:24:36,140 --> 01:24:39,020 And I think the the reason that I made the statement when I did 1589 01:24:39,020 --> 01:24:41,180 was because was he was the catalyst. 1590 01:24:41,180 --> 01:24:44,460 Because what he had done was posted a request for anyone that 1591 01:24:44,460 --> 01:24:47,700 had ever any scandalous stories or had slept with me or whatever 1592 01:24:47,700 --> 01:24:50,260 to come forward and talk about it so that it would out me. 1593 01:24:50,500 --> 01:24:53,100 And I didn't want to have to make that statement about my 1594 01:24:53,100 --> 01:24:56,220 sexuality in response to a scandal. 1595 01:24:56,500 --> 01:24:59,180 And I think by doing so, I end up having being able to stand a 1596 01:24:59,180 --> 01:25:03,060 little bit taller. And that that transparency and 1597 01:25:03,060 --> 01:25:04,700 authenticity was kind of appreciated. 1598 01:25:05,580 --> 01:25:08,060 Interesting. They were all barefoot in this 1599 01:25:08,060 --> 01:25:10,860 clip for some reason. Maybe that just made them feel 1600 01:25:10,860 --> 01:25:12,660 more comfortable. Yeah, I don't know. 1601 01:25:13,100 --> 01:25:15,340 Funny. And Neil was sitting with his 1602 01:25:15,340 --> 01:25:17,940 legs crushed. That was funny when Ober was 1603 01:25:17,940 --> 01:25:19,140 like, of course I've heard about it. 1604 01:25:20,740 --> 01:25:24,060 Some people believe that Oprah and GAIL I know. 1605 01:25:24,060 --> 01:25:26,060 Yeah, there's been a lot of rumors. 1606 01:25:26,620 --> 01:25:28,940 No, she denied it. Yeah, I I think that they're 1607 01:25:28,940 --> 01:25:32,660 just best friends. But Oprah really went there, 1608 01:25:32,660 --> 01:25:33,340 too. She really did. 1609 01:25:33,420 --> 01:25:34,540 I mean, that was a great question. 1610 01:25:34,540 --> 01:25:37,780 Would you have come out at that time if it weren't for pres? 1611 01:25:37,780 --> 01:25:41,220 He'll say, yeah. And the red carpet thing is 1612 01:25:41,220 --> 01:25:44,940 really, I like that he talked about that because it it seems 1613 01:25:44,980 --> 01:25:47,140 like something that's kind of silly, like walking down the red 1614 01:25:47,140 --> 01:25:49,420 carpet, but it's like. That's something that other 1615 01:25:49,420 --> 01:25:51,460 couples don't need to worry about. 1616 01:25:51,700 --> 01:25:54,340 And it does seem like maybe it's a slight to someone that's like, 1617 01:25:54,340 --> 01:25:58,020 OK, we're deliberately arriving here separately. 1618 01:25:58,300 --> 01:26:00,260 We're hiding something. I feel like that would make a 1619 01:26:00,260 --> 01:26:03,580 relationship feel less real anyway. 1620 01:26:04,060 --> 01:26:09,420 Yeah, that would be sad that he's hiding David from the 1621 01:26:09,420 --> 01:26:10,820 world. Yeah, exactly. 1622 01:26:12,180 --> 01:26:16,670 I feel like, you know, it's kind of surprising Oprah asked those 1623 01:26:16,670 --> 01:26:19,510 questions, but I feel like they just rolled with it. 1624 01:26:19,630 --> 01:26:24,030 Yeah, they he definitely was a lot more open than with that. 1625 01:26:24,030 --> 01:26:26,270 Australia, what do you mean? What do you mean? 1626 01:26:28,870 --> 01:26:31,870 Yeah, and she hasn't. They've had sex with the. 1627 01:26:32,190 --> 01:26:33,590 Women. Yeah, that's crazy. 1628 01:26:33,590 --> 01:26:34,950 Yeah. She was like, were you bisexual? 1629 01:26:35,150 --> 01:26:37,550 But it's like, again, like, Oprah has the respect from 1630 01:26:37,550 --> 01:26:39,950 celebrities that, like, they're not going to push back on it. 1631 01:26:40,070 --> 01:26:43,660 Yeah. Yeah, it is interesting that 1632 01:26:43,660 --> 01:26:47,140 they dated women's and it seems like they enjoyed it, but just 1633 01:26:47,140 --> 01:26:48,620 like it never really clicked in that way. 1634 01:26:48,940 --> 01:26:53,940 You know, sometimes I've wondered because like I got got 1635 01:26:53,940 --> 01:26:57,300 a lot of days with a lot of different men and often it 1636 01:26:57,300 --> 01:27:03,380 doesn't click for me as easily as it does for it seems, other 1637 01:27:03,380 --> 01:27:05,380 people and like I've been very picky. 1638 01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:08,160 And then that has made me wonder, like, what if I'm not 1639 01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:10,400 straight because I'm not as into. 1640 01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:14,800 Well, I there have been some boys, I've been crazy and you 1641 01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:18,680 have, but but I never feel feelings for women. 1642 01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:23,280 But I do wonder in like their explanation of this, like, did 1643 01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:24,800 they still feel attraction for men? 1644 01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,360 Because I always hear those stories from people where 1645 01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:29,320 they're like, I realized I was gay because I it just didn't 1646 01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:31,320 click with. Yeah, the opposite. 1647 01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:33,440 I feel like they're just not saying. 1648 01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:35,920 Yeah, for some reason. I don't know. 1649 01:27:36,040 --> 01:27:39,200 Yeah, that's probably way too there's no open for me. 1650 01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:42,640 No, But I feel like there's no way that that's it. 1651 01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,160 Yeah, but they just felt like what they must. 1652 01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:48,160 But sometimes I do hear explanations from people that 1653 01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:50,040 sound like that. And I'm like, wait, but did you 1654 01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:52,360 did you feel attraction otherwise? 1655 01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:56,040 Well, I don't know about David Burka, but I didn't include it 1656 01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:58,400 in this. But Neil did say that he knew he 1657 01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:01,000 was gay from a younger. Oh, OK, yeah. 1658 01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,460 Or at least at least that he was attracted to men. 1659 01:28:04,700 --> 01:28:06,700 I don't. I don't know if that means he 1660 01:28:06,700 --> 01:28:09,660 wasn't attracted to women. But yeah, no. 1661 01:28:10,180 --> 01:28:13,660 Yeah, that makes sense. I do think that Kinsey skill 1662 01:28:13,660 --> 01:28:16,620 thing is interesting. I don't know enough about that. 1663 01:28:17,220 --> 01:28:19,340 I don't remember the direction, but it's kind of like. 1664 01:28:21,540 --> 01:28:23,140 You explained this to me one time though. 1665 01:28:23,140 --> 01:28:24,900 That like fluidity. That. 1666 01:28:24,900 --> 01:28:27,820 No, that, like fluidity and sexuality is a lot like taste 1667 01:28:27,820 --> 01:28:30,460 buds where it's like. You when you're young or 1668 01:28:30,460 --> 01:28:33,380 something, you might be like, I don't like spicy foods, but like 1669 01:28:33,380 --> 01:28:34,380 that. It's not like that. 1670 01:28:34,380 --> 01:28:35,980 It's a stagnant thing that someone might. 1671 01:28:35,980 --> 01:28:39,340 I said that, yeah, you explained to me I was like that. 1672 01:28:39,340 --> 01:28:42,020 Wow. Because I was explaining that to 1673 01:28:42,020 --> 01:28:44,420 my parents. Because when back I feel like 10 1674 01:28:44,420 --> 01:28:47,620 years ago, sexuality, the narrative was like, oh, you're 1675 01:28:47,620 --> 01:28:49,820 Born This Way, which I think is 1 or the other. 1676 01:28:49,980 --> 01:28:52,140 Yeah, like it's something that you're born with. 1677 01:28:52,140 --> 01:28:55,580 And then I was like explaining to my dad recently, Oh, now it's 1678 01:28:55,580 --> 01:28:57,380 more about fluidity. So like. 1679 01:28:57,820 --> 01:29:01,100 You might feel one way and then ten years later it might evolve 1680 01:29:01,100 --> 01:29:03,380 in some way. Or well, that's like some people 1681 01:29:03,980 --> 01:29:09,980 who maybe dated people of 1 gender for a long time and then 1682 01:29:09,980 --> 01:29:13,820 they seemingly like switch and people wonder, were you lying? 1683 01:29:14,140 --> 01:29:16,980 Yeah. And people will often insist 1684 01:29:16,980 --> 01:29:20,220 like no, they weren't and that they still are attracted to men 1685 01:29:20,220 --> 01:29:21,220 or women or ever. But. 1686 01:29:21,540 --> 01:29:23,700 People did that with Kristen Stewart all the time. 1687 01:29:23,780 --> 01:29:28,320 Yeah, they like. OK, my neighbor, my neighbor, 1688 01:29:28,440 --> 01:29:32,120 Every time he walks up those stairs, it's like he has to 1689 01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:33,480 stomp. It's so weird. 1690 01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:37,160 But yeah, but also not anybody's place will be. 1691 01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:41,080 Like you were lying. I know, OK, obviously this is 1692 01:29:41,480 --> 01:29:46,560 just a measurement, a tool that people have created. 1693 01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:50,560 All these things are not like in, you know, it's it's just a 1694 01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:53,770 tool someone created. But the Kinzi scale is it's zero 1695 01:29:53,770 --> 01:29:57,810 to 6. Zero is strictly heterosexual, 1696 01:29:57,810 --> 01:30:03,810 100% heterosexual, and then six is exclusively homosexual. 1697 01:30:04,450 --> 01:30:08,050 And so then one would be like, this is what it says on the 1698 01:30:08,050 --> 01:30:12,250 website, so it's predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally 1699 01:30:12,890 --> 01:30:18,090 homosexual, and then it moves up to more than incidentally 3, 1700 01:30:18,090 --> 01:30:23,820 equally for mostly queer, but more than incidentally 1701 01:30:23,820 --> 01:30:26,980 heterosexual. So, so people say it's like a 1702 01:30:26,980 --> 01:30:29,460 scale like some people are. Yeah. 1703 01:30:29,460 --> 01:30:32,020 It's very simplified. Yeah. 1704 01:30:32,020 --> 01:30:32,780 Version. Yeah. 1705 01:30:33,260 --> 01:30:35,500 So there's somewhere, they're saying that there's somewhere on 1706 01:30:35,500 --> 01:30:38,860 the scale that they're not like on one side of the spectrum, 1707 01:30:39,140 --> 01:30:40,500 Yeah, yeah, that's what they're saying. 1708 01:30:42,100 --> 01:30:46,420 Also in this Oprah interview, they talked about the comparison 1709 01:30:46,420 --> 01:30:49,920 of their careers and David said that sometimes Neil's 1710 01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:55,000 recognition and success does put him through a shame spiral and 1711 01:30:55,480 --> 01:30:58,280 but then that is what inspired him to become a chef. 1712 01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:03,360 And Neil, no, David said I do a lot of things, a lot of things. 1713 01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:06,480 Not great, but parenting is what he's best at. 1714 01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:11,680 And he said that they share everything, even clothes, but 1715 01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:13,340 not underwear. OK. 1716 01:31:13,420 --> 01:31:17,460 Yeah, they laughed about that. David said that he's more 1717 01:31:17,460 --> 01:31:21,340 maternal than Neil, and Neil agreed and. 1718 01:31:21,460 --> 01:31:23,740 Yeah, I don't get maternal from Neil. 1719 01:31:23,740 --> 01:31:27,100 Neil said that he struggled at first parenting a few months, 1720 01:31:27,500 --> 01:31:30,180 but he says he feels like and now the kids are older. 1721 01:31:30,180 --> 01:31:33,500 But he said he feels like he his strength will be more like 1722 01:31:33,980 --> 01:31:37,020 talking with the kids and stuff that he doesn't have That, like, 1723 01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:40,640 yeah, maternal instinct where if the baby's crying that he knows 1724 01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:42,920 what to do. Or, you know, David's better at 1725 01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:45,120 that. Apparently Oprah asked if they 1726 01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:47,960 want more kids. Such a aunt type of thing to 1727 01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:51,120 say. And Neil says, oh, don't start 1728 01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:54,760 with this question, David. And then David says I want a ton 1729 01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:55,320 of kids. Oh. 1730 01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:59,040 David's Yeah, I know. And he says I was told you 1731 01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:01,600 aren't really a family until your kids outnumber you. 1732 01:32:02,260 --> 01:32:04,820 Why? No, it's been a while though. 1733 01:32:04,820 --> 01:32:05,980 I wonder if they don't have kids. 1734 01:32:06,020 --> 01:32:09,340 I think the surrogacy process is probably very hard, though if I 1735 01:32:09,340 --> 01:32:10,780 had to guess, I don't think they will. 1736 01:32:10,860 --> 01:32:13,620 Yeah, I mean, it's really nice. They had twins. 1737 01:32:14,380 --> 01:32:17,300 Oprah even had their parents on. Oh wow. 1738 01:32:17,300 --> 01:32:23,300 The show and asked them about it was very much about, you know, 1739 01:32:23,300 --> 01:32:26,380 their sons being gay and how did they feel? 1740 01:32:26,380 --> 01:32:29,680 And David's dad, it was actually so sad because, you know, 1741 01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:33,360 David's mom has passed away. David's dad start crying. 1742 01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:37,360 He said that. He said the one thing I regret 1743 01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:41,000 most of my life is that his mother didn't see where David is 1744 01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,160 in his life and didn't meet his kids. 1745 01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:46,200 He said that apparently. David said, you're never going 1746 01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:48,480 to see my kids, Mom, we're going to have kids. 1747 01:32:48,480 --> 01:32:50,040 You're never going to see my kids. 1748 01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:54,090 My God, that breaks my heart. Well, I believe. 1749 01:32:54,090 --> 01:32:56,730 I believe in hope that she still gets to see them. 1750 01:32:56,810 --> 01:33:03,010 I know it was really sad and all the parents, I mean, people get 1751 01:33:03,010 --> 01:33:04,250 cancelled. We're saying this now, but all 1752 01:33:04,250 --> 01:33:07,130 the parents were like, at first I really struggled and I didn't 1753 01:33:07,130 --> 01:33:10,770 get it and the lifestyle and whatever, but then they came 1754 01:33:10,770 --> 01:33:12,490 around. I think it's important for them 1755 01:33:12,490 --> 01:33:14,050 to openly admit that. Yeah. 1756 01:33:14,050 --> 01:33:17,570 Because give you hope. Yeah, exactly. 1757 01:33:17,730 --> 01:33:22,840 You know, even people that are really uncomfortable with it, 1758 01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:24,920 we're able to do a 180. Yeah. 1759 01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:29,760 You know, again, 2014, there were rumors that David and Neil 1760 01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:31,720 had split. I don't even know where the 1761 01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:34,000 rumors came from. I couldn't find the source, but 1762 01:33:34,480 --> 01:33:38,440 Neil disputed them. Again, I don't know, but they've 1763 01:33:38,440 --> 01:33:40,600 been engaged for eight years at this point. 1764 01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:43,640 Wow. But finally, September 2014, 1765 01:33:44,070 --> 01:33:46,950 they were finally married in a small ceremony in Italy. 1766 01:33:47,150 --> 01:33:49,790 Oh, when I asked you earlier, I thought you meant not yet. 1767 01:33:49,790 --> 01:33:53,710 Now oh. OK, they did get married in 1768 01:33:53,710 --> 01:33:58,670 2014, and apparently they were officiated by the How I Met Your 1769 01:33:58,670 --> 01:34:01,790 Mother. Director Pamela Fryman and Elton 1770 01:34:01,790 --> 01:34:04,270 John performed live at the reception. 1771 01:34:05,550 --> 01:34:07,510 They had been waiting a long time for this. 1772 01:34:07,510 --> 01:34:10,270 I think it definitely meant a lot to them. 1773 01:34:10,630 --> 01:34:13,230 It was a big deal and I was laughing about this the other 1774 01:34:13,230 --> 01:34:17,030 day. Their wedding invitations were 1775 01:34:17,030 --> 01:34:21,110 so over the time I couldn't even believe it. 1776 01:34:21,670 --> 01:34:24,350 So basically there were like clues. 1777 01:34:24,390 --> 01:34:30,270 There was going to be, there was going to be during the wedding 1778 01:34:30,270 --> 01:34:32,630 weekend. Everybody had some kind of tasks 1779 01:34:33,190 --> 01:34:35,270 and there were clues leading to what they had to do. 1780 01:34:35,510 --> 01:34:37,870 And I don't know all the details because they didn't share all 1781 01:34:37,870 --> 01:34:40,550 the details. So I don't really know what it 1782 01:34:40,550 --> 01:34:45,720 all means, but basically everybody was sent a wine crate 1783 01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:51,960 with herbs and Rosemary and a candle and bottle of wine, bread 1784 01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:55,560 and a message in a bottle with a disk drive. 1785 01:34:56,280 --> 01:35:00,440 Oh my God, that you could play. And it was like lost. 1786 01:35:00,440 --> 01:35:04,320 Like the TV show Lost with a cryptic message of clues and 1787 01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:06,480 people had to figure out where the wedding was from. 1788 01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:09,640 I'm just picturing them like in there. 1789 01:35:10,090 --> 01:35:13,610 Very cluttered hall sitting there like laughing to each 1790 01:35:13,610 --> 01:35:17,570 other, like, OK, how can we make this even better? 1791 01:35:17,930 --> 01:35:21,130 That's so. Funny, I couldn't mess it in a 1792 01:35:21,130 --> 01:35:24,330 bottle with a disk drive in the bottle. 1793 01:35:24,330 --> 01:35:25,530 I don't even know how that works. 1794 01:35:25,570 --> 01:35:27,410 I didn't get that out. You just smash it. 1795 01:35:30,450 --> 01:35:35,090 I was cracking and I guess like at the weekend, the wedding 1796 01:35:35,090 --> 01:35:37,970 weekend in Italy, there were all these clues within pictures and 1797 01:35:38,010 --> 01:35:41,060 objects. For people to solve, it was very 1798 01:35:41,060 --> 01:35:42,620 interesting. That's so funny. 1799 01:35:42,620 --> 01:35:46,780 Yeah, you have to rely on your guest being enthusiastic to 1800 01:35:46,780 --> 01:35:49,020 participate. So I hate when people show up 1801 01:35:49,020 --> 01:35:51,380 and they're like, wow, what is this? 1802 01:35:51,380 --> 01:35:55,740 It was a pretty small wedding, so I think I hopefully knew that 1803 01:35:55,780 --> 01:35:58,980 people were gonna be into it. But yeah, that made me laugh. 1804 01:35:59,060 --> 01:36:03,060 October, Halloween again. The family dressed as iconic 1805 01:36:03,100 --> 01:36:04,940 actors. Oh, the. 1806 01:36:05,140 --> 01:36:08,580 I'm not gonna guess this. Yes, Neil was Charlie Chaplin. 1807 01:36:09,100 --> 01:36:12,900 David was Groucho Marx. Harper was Marilyn Monroe. 1808 01:36:13,540 --> 01:36:15,620 I know. She was actually so cute. 1809 01:36:15,620 --> 01:36:19,340 It was so cute to see this, like little Marilyn and Gideon. 1810 01:36:19,380 --> 01:36:22,060 Gideon. Gideon was James Dean. 1811 01:36:22,060 --> 01:36:25,340 Also so cute. And the kids are just adorable. 1812 01:36:25,340 --> 01:36:29,390 I don't know how they sound now, but Harper had this little 1813 01:36:29,390 --> 01:36:31,350 accent, like she didn't pronounce her R's. 1814 01:36:31,350 --> 01:36:34,870 I thought it was so cute. They're probably teenagers now, 1815 01:36:34,870 --> 01:36:38,390 right? Yeah, they are. 2015 Neil hosted 1816 01:36:38,390 --> 01:36:40,670 the Oscars. Wow. 1817 01:36:40,670 --> 01:36:43,310 He's such a host. People said this show was 1818 01:36:43,310 --> 01:36:45,870 largely forgettable. Who cares? 1819 01:36:45,870 --> 01:36:47,870 I know. Besides the moment when he 1820 01:36:47,870 --> 01:36:50,790 presented Injustice Tidy, Whitey's was supposed to be a 1821 01:36:51,350 --> 01:36:55,310 Birdman reference. Time stamp? 1822 01:36:55,430 --> 01:36:59,720 Yep, OK 2015 Halloween. The whole family dressed as Star 1823 01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:03,360 Wars characters. OK, I'm going to get Neil 1824 01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:06,560 Patrick Harris. Was Luke Skywalker. 1825 01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:08,960 No, no, no. I'm going to backtrack. 1826 01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:12,800 I'm going to guess that the baby boy was Luke Skywalker and the 1827 01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:20,480 girl was Leia, and that David was Chewbacca and that Neil was 1828 01:37:20,480 --> 01:37:24,640 Han Solo. Oh, Darth Vader, Actually, OK 1829 01:37:24,840 --> 01:37:33,840 David was Han Solo, and I think Neil was Obi Wan Kenobi. 1830 01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:37,440 Oh, no one's Chewbacca. No, no one was Chewbacca. 1831 01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:39,480 OK, yeah. Good guesses though. 1832 01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:45,080 Halloween comes again 2016. The whole family dressed as 1833 01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:48,760 Batman characters. OK, I'm gonna guess. 1834 01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:51,360 I'm gonna guess the baby boy was Batman. 1835 01:37:52,120 --> 01:37:58,480 And that the girl was I got it. And that the girl was Batgirl. 1836 01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:05,000 And the the you don't can't tell what she is. 1837 01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:10,040 She ever read the little Cape? Maybe that's. 1838 01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:11,640 Back. Maybe that is Batgirl. 1839 01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:16,880 Wait. And then David is Robin and Neil 1840 01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:22,100 is the Joker. David is the Joker. 1841 01:38:22,700 --> 01:38:27,140 Neil is. I don't know who. 1842 01:38:28,060 --> 01:38:30,380 Yeah, I'm not as familiar with the Batman. 1843 01:38:30,380 --> 01:38:34,060 Quizzler. OKI got the Riddler. 1844 01:38:34,500 --> 01:38:38,300 The Riddler? Yeah, the quizzler. 1845 01:38:39,220 --> 01:38:41,140 Keep it in. Keep it in. 1846 01:38:41,180 --> 01:38:42,500 Wait, do you mind if I could take a bathroom? 1847 01:38:42,540 --> 01:38:44,620 Ohh. Yeah, let's take a break. 1848 01:38:45,580 --> 01:38:50,410 All right, we're back. Right back 18, Halloween, the 1849 01:38:50,530 --> 01:38:54,370 family all dressed up as ghosts. So kill you. 1850 01:38:54,810 --> 01:38:56,130 Just not guessing, really, that one. 1851 01:38:56,570 --> 01:39:01,050 In 2019, online, in publications, there was like 1852 01:39:01,050 --> 01:39:04,370 this big debate about whether straight people should play 1853 01:39:04,850 --> 01:39:08,650 queer people on film and TV. And you'll surprise a lot of 1854 01:39:08,650 --> 01:39:12,850 people in the times, the UK Times, saying I think there's 1855 01:39:12,850 --> 01:39:16,210 something sexy about casting a straight actor to play a gay 1856 01:39:16,210 --> 01:39:19,220 role if they're willing to invest a lot into it. 1857 01:39:19,620 --> 01:39:22,220 And he also said in our world that we live in, you can't 1858 01:39:22,220 --> 01:39:25,100 really, as a director demand that an actor be gay or 1859 01:39:25,100 --> 01:39:26,660 straight. Who's to determine how gay 1860 01:39:26,660 --> 01:39:28,820 someone is? I played a character for nine 1861 01:39:28,820 --> 01:39:31,860 years who was nothing like me. I would definitely want to hire 1862 01:39:31,860 --> 01:39:35,020 the best actor. Yeah, I mean, I I really do know 1863 01:39:35,020 --> 01:39:37,580 where people are coming from with that argument, but it would 1864 01:39:37,580 --> 01:39:40,980 be weird for people to have to disclose their sexuality before. 1865 01:39:41,390 --> 01:39:45,550 Taking a job? Yeah, I think legal. 1866 01:39:45,870 --> 01:39:49,750 Yeah, I think it probably is. And like, that would force 1867 01:39:49,750 --> 01:39:52,710 people to come out. They weren't already. 1868 01:39:52,710 --> 01:39:56,790 It would be so weird if, like, you weren't publicly defining 1869 01:39:56,790 --> 01:40:00,230 your sexuality for the whole world and the people got mad at 1870 01:40:00,230 --> 01:40:02,390 you because you had a role. And what if you were like, well, 1871 01:40:02,390 --> 01:40:04,630 actually I am by or something. Like it would just. 1872 01:40:04,670 --> 01:40:06,550 Be I don't know. Not. 1873 01:40:07,650 --> 01:40:08,690 Yeah. I feel like there isn't really a 1874 01:40:08,690 --> 01:40:11,770 way to verify it. Yeah, but yeah, people were 1875 01:40:11,770 --> 01:40:12,930 surprised. He said that. 1876 01:40:13,570 --> 01:40:16,650 Also in Try 19, David published his first cookbook, Life is a 1877 01:40:16,650 --> 01:40:21,410 Party. They left a party Halloween. 1878 01:40:21,450 --> 01:40:24,090 The family dressed as famous artists. 1879 01:40:25,810 --> 01:40:29,810 Picasso, Van Gogh. That's all I got. 1880 01:40:30,850 --> 01:40:37,140 No, no, Neil was Van Gogh. Oh. 1881 01:40:37,220 --> 01:40:41,100 Well, I said that Vanel Picasso. Oh, what you said. 1882 01:40:41,380 --> 01:40:42,740 What did you say? Picasso. 1883 01:40:42,740 --> 01:40:45,060 Van Gogh. Oh, I didn't know you said Van 1884 01:40:45,100 --> 01:40:53,180 Gogh, but no Picasso. David was Salvador Dali, OK? 1885 01:40:53,300 --> 01:40:55,660 Harper was Frida Kahlo. I was gonna say that. 1886 01:40:55,660 --> 01:40:58,980 And Gideon was Andy Warhol. Oh, that's a good one. 1887 01:41:01,100 --> 01:41:05,950 Halloween 2020 Family dressed as characters from Willy Wonka and 1888 01:41:05,950 --> 01:41:09,310 the Chocolate Factory. Okay. 1889 01:41:10,110 --> 01:41:15,190 One is Willy Wonka. I'm going to say that's David. 1890 01:41:16,110 --> 01:41:19,950 One is the grandpa. I'm going to say that's Neil. 1891 01:41:20,510 --> 01:41:25,630 One is Violet would be the daughter, and the son is 1892 01:41:25,630 --> 01:41:29,230 Charlie. You got almost everything right. 1893 01:41:29,230 --> 01:41:34,580 Besides the grandpa, Yes. So Gideon was Charlie, Harper 1894 01:41:34,580 --> 01:41:39,980 was Violet, David was Willy Wonka, and then Neil was. 1895 01:41:40,420 --> 01:41:42,860 I can't remember what this character's name is. 1896 01:41:42,860 --> 01:41:45,180 He seemed a little creepy. I think he turned out to be a 1897 01:41:45,180 --> 01:41:47,870 good guy. He wore a little like bowler hat 1898 01:41:47,870 --> 01:41:50,430 and her glasses whispered in the kids ears. 1899 01:41:50,430 --> 01:41:54,030 Oh yeah, What was his deal? He seems like a bad guy, but 1900 01:41:54,030 --> 01:41:55,630 he's like, not. He was kind of. 1901 01:41:56,190 --> 01:41:59,910 I forgot he was like a spy. Yeah, but that's who, Neal. 1902 01:42:00,750 --> 01:42:03,990 Oh. That guy that is a really like 1903 01:42:04,310 --> 01:42:07,750 niche character to do that doesn't stand alone. 1904 01:42:07,990 --> 01:42:10,750 I know, I guess, that they're all standing together. 1905 01:42:10,750 --> 01:42:12,670 Like if you saw the Willy Wong, he'd be like, that's Willy Wong. 1906 01:42:12,670 --> 01:42:15,150 Yeah, Charlie wouldn't really stand alone either, but I know 1907 01:42:15,390 --> 01:42:17,940 he's holding the was a golden ticket. 1908 01:42:17,940 --> 01:42:18,300 I don't. Know. 1909 01:42:18,300 --> 01:42:20,540 I'm guessing they base it off of the classic yes. 1910 01:42:20,540 --> 01:42:23,860 The classic, yes. And 2021. 1911 01:42:24,060 --> 01:42:27,540 David and Neil were on the podcast Double Date with Marlo 1912 01:42:27,540 --> 01:42:30,980 Thomas and Phil Donahue. I thought they were super open 1913 01:42:30,980 --> 01:42:32,860 on this podcast they were talking about. 1914 01:42:33,980 --> 01:42:38,340 They're talking about open marriages and how a lot of guys 1915 01:42:38,340 --> 01:42:42,220 they know do have open relationships, but that they 1916 01:42:42,220 --> 01:42:45,860 felt like they couldn't do it. And it was funny. 1917 01:42:46,210 --> 01:42:48,690 David was saying I would, I would have a tracker on his 1918 01:42:48,690 --> 01:42:50,530 phone. I would just, I would be losing 1919 01:42:50,530 --> 01:42:53,090 it. And it thought it was cute and 1920 01:42:53,090 --> 01:42:56,090 they were just saying it wasn't for them and that, but they were 1921 01:42:56,090 --> 01:42:58,210 super open. They were saying that in the 1922 01:42:58,530 --> 01:43:02,290 first three years of their relationship, their sex life was 1923 01:43:02,330 --> 01:43:08,850 amazing, but then they have to, you know, try to keep the spark 1924 01:43:08,850 --> 01:43:10,770 and stuff, but. Inventive. 1925 01:43:11,010 --> 01:43:15,450 And I also was like, wow, amazed at how open they were being, 1926 01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:19,960 especially talking about monogamy and just just the fact 1927 01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:23,080 that they brought that up, that some people do that. 1928 01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:29,160 And yeah, yeah, but it's cute. And I relate to the jealousy. 1929 01:43:29,160 --> 01:43:31,960 Oh yeah. So I appreciated. 1930 01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:37,800 That I would definitely track her on someone's Halloween 2021. 1931 01:43:37,800 --> 01:43:40,480 We're back to Halloween. This time they dressed as 1932 01:43:40,480 --> 01:43:45,760 classic horror movie characters. Should I guess if you if you 1933 01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:47,600 can. Yeah, I'm going to say like it. 1934 01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:51,120 No. OK, this is too hard. 1935 01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:52,560 I don't watch work. I know, I know. 1936 01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:57,320 Neil was Patrick Bateman. David was Jack from The Shining. 1937 01:43:57,680 --> 01:44:00,160 OK, Harper was the girl from The Exorcist. 1938 01:44:01,160 --> 01:44:03,960 Gideon was Chucky. Oh, cute. 1939 01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:06,000 I know. Very creepy though. 1940 01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:09,600 Yeah, very creepy. April 2022. 1941 01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:13,080 It was their 18 year anniversary of their first date in on 1942 01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:16,510 Instagram. David made a post about it and 1943 01:44:16,510 --> 01:44:18,270 explained why they honor it every year. 1944 01:44:18,270 --> 01:44:21,150 He said we always celebrate the first date because for seven 1945 01:44:21,150 --> 01:44:23,590 years of our relationship it was against the law to get married. 1946 01:44:24,190 --> 01:44:27,310 Neil Patrick Harris, I love you over and over again, year after 1947 01:44:27,310 --> 01:44:29,190 year. Thanks for working so hard and 1948 01:44:29,190 --> 01:44:32,030 for putting up with me. Here's to another 18. 1949 01:44:32,270 --> 01:44:36,350 And then Neil shared a picture of them hugging and gazing into 1950 01:44:36,350 --> 01:44:37,790 each other's eyes. And he wrote. 1951 01:44:38,310 --> 01:44:40,470 Our first date was 18 years ago today. 1952 01:44:40,470 --> 01:44:43,110 And David Burka, I am not about to let you go. 1953 01:44:43,110 --> 01:44:45,590 Thank you for showing me the capacity of my heart. 1954 01:44:46,590 --> 01:44:48,990 Yeah, that's sweet. Very sweet. 1955 01:44:49,190 --> 01:44:50,670 Yeah. The first the anniversary, it's 1956 01:44:50,670 --> 01:44:52,990 weird because like for some couples, I feel like it's when 1957 01:44:52,990 --> 01:44:56,230 they were exclusive. And then for some it's the first 1958 01:44:56,230 --> 01:44:57,470 date. For some, might be even the 1959 01:44:57,470 --> 01:44:59,710 first time they met. Oh yeah, that's. 1960 01:45:00,070 --> 01:45:02,990 No, that's too early. Well, what if they went on a 1961 01:45:02,990 --> 01:45:04,630 date? Like the next day maybe? 1962 01:45:04,630 --> 01:45:07,440 Yeah, yeah, it sparks. Immediately flew. 1963 01:45:07,440 --> 01:45:08,800 Yeah. Like if they met at a bar and 1964 01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:10,200 gave each other. Yeah. 1965 01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:11,200 A number, Yeah. Yeah. 1966 01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:13,800 And that would be people totally disregard that. 1967 01:45:14,200 --> 01:45:16,040 Just do wedding marriage. Yeah. 1968 01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:20,560 Do you think it's OK or two over the top to celebrate multiple 1969 01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:22,920 days? Depends on how long you dated 1970 01:45:22,920 --> 01:45:25,080 for before you got married. Like, my parents only dated for 1971 01:45:25,080 --> 01:45:28,280 six months, so I they don't celebrate their dating 1972 01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:31,880 anniversary. But I would want to. 1973 01:45:32,720 --> 01:45:37,000 I don't like how it it's almost wiped clean because like, what's 1974 01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:39,680 our 2nd anniversary? What? 1975 01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:41,600 Oh my God, did you see our cousin Julie? 1976 01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:42,880 Sorry, this. You guys don't care. 1977 01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:44,760 She's been married for nine years. 1978 01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:45,280 Really. Today. 1979 01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:46,440 Oh wow. That. 1980 01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:48,320 Feels like it was just yesterday. 1981 01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:51,840 Next dude, 10 years. That's crazy. 1982 01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:52,640 Wow. I was. 1983 01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:54,640 I was first like, oh, that must be their dating anniversary. 1984 01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:55,960 Yeah, it's their wedding anniversary. 1985 01:45:55,960 --> 01:45:58,320 Congratulations. Julie, Julie and George. 1986 01:45:58,480 --> 01:46:00,400 Yeah. This one's for you. 1987 01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:07,400 Random Halloween 2022. The family dressed as fast food 1988 01:46:07,400 --> 01:46:09,400 characters. Oh, that is so cool. 1989 01:46:09,400 --> 01:46:10,360 I know. I loved it. 1990 01:46:10,640 --> 01:46:13,240 OK, Speaking of, do you still have your French fries shirt? 1991 01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:14,680 Yes. OK, good. 1992 01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:17,280 Yeah, I love that shirt. And I have a burger shirt too. 1993 01:46:17,320 --> 01:46:19,640 Oh, nice and hot. I saw a picture of it the other 1994 01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:21,280 day. I was looking at pictures and I 1995 01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:23,480 was like, I haven't seen that shirt in a while. 1996 01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:25,360 I think take it. Wait. 1997 01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:27,520 I think I do. It's probably in at home in. 1998 01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:31,720 Yeah, it's a summer, whatever. They dressed as fast food 1999 01:46:31,720 --> 01:46:33,720 characters. Do you want to guess? 2000 01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:40,800 OK, I'm going to guess David was Ronald McDonald and Neil was 2001 01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:45,640 Burger King. And I feel like I don't know any 2002 01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:49,160 other fast food characters. So there are there like 2003 01:46:49,160 --> 01:46:52,970 multiple? Is it 1 like the Hamburglar that 2004 01:46:53,050 --> 01:46:55,370 is A? Oh, and Wendy, the daughter is 2005 01:46:55,370 --> 01:47:01,530 Wendy. You were right for those three. 2006 01:47:02,130 --> 01:47:04,050 You were totally right. Neil's Burger King. 2007 01:47:04,410 --> 01:47:10,330 David was Ron McDonald Harper with Wendy, and then Gideon was 2008 01:47:10,730 --> 01:47:14,090 Colonel Sanders from KFC. Oh, that's cute. 2009 01:47:14,130 --> 01:47:16,050 It was really cute. I like that idea. 2010 01:47:16,090 --> 01:47:20,530 Yeah, wait, that's a really. I know, sounds so. 2011 01:47:20,530 --> 01:47:23,210 Now we're almost at Halloween 2023. 2012 01:47:23,210 --> 01:47:26,770 What will they be? Oh my gosh, you don't know yet. 2013 01:47:27,570 --> 01:47:31,370 I'm excited to see. I'm anxiously awaiting. 2014 01:47:31,370 --> 01:47:33,570 This is going to be like my new Met Gala every year. 2015 01:47:33,890 --> 01:47:37,050 What are they going to be? And whenever they call 2016 01:47:37,050 --> 01:47:40,650 themselves as a family, do you know, I think Bertka Harris. 2017 01:47:41,170 --> 01:47:44,890 Bertka Harris Yeah, make sure I was. 2018 01:47:45,630 --> 01:47:47,070 Throwing. I was thinking Patrick would be 2019 01:47:47,070 --> 01:47:48,350 in there, but that's his middle. Yeah. 2020 01:47:48,350 --> 01:47:50,310 Yeah. It's Burka Harris. 2021 01:47:50,310 --> 01:47:52,590 Burka Harris, the burkas Burka Harris. 2022 01:47:52,590 --> 01:47:56,110 Family. Yeah, the kids will be thirteen 2023 01:47:56,110 --> 01:47:59,090 soon, so sometimes. Kids at that age don't want to. 2024 01:47:59,090 --> 01:48:01,090 That's what I was wondering, Like, are they still going to 2025 01:48:01,090 --> 01:48:02,530 want to dress up with their dads? 2026 01:48:02,890 --> 01:48:05,170 Oh my. Hope they don't break my heart. 2027 01:48:05,370 --> 01:48:08,170 They don't. Oh my God, I'm sure this is a 2028 01:48:08,170 --> 01:48:11,690 discussion they've been having. Kids get embarrassed that age. 2029 01:48:12,050 --> 01:48:14,410 Oh, come on kids, you're gonna so cute. 2030 01:48:14,410 --> 01:48:18,930 You're gonna want, like when you look back to have done that. 2031 01:48:18,930 --> 01:48:20,530 I know. Throughout your whole childhood. 2032 01:48:20,530 --> 01:48:23,550 That's so special. I hope even if they do stop 2033 01:48:23,550 --> 01:48:25,310 someday, maybe they'll start again. 2034 01:48:25,630 --> 01:48:28,070 Yeah, that's really cute. Yeah. 2035 01:48:28,070 --> 01:48:30,550 Special kids at that eat delay. I just want you my own thing 2036 01:48:30,590 --> 01:48:32,670 with my friends. But why am I saying like, their 2037 01:48:32,670 --> 01:48:37,110 parents are celebrities? Maybe they would still do the 2038 01:48:37,110 --> 01:48:39,190 picture and then do their own thing. 2039 01:48:39,230 --> 01:48:42,710 Yeah, probably. Ohh, imagine being a teenager 2040 01:48:42,710 --> 01:48:45,830 and your dad's like, get in the outfit. 2041 01:48:45,830 --> 01:48:47,350 Yeah, no. Yeah. 2042 01:48:48,950 --> 01:48:51,030 We're doing this. I bet the kids are now involved 2043 01:48:51,150 --> 01:48:53,270 in like, what the what? The concept is too. 2044 01:48:53,590 --> 01:48:55,350 Yeah, probably. Oh, that must be so. 2045 01:48:55,470 --> 01:48:56,990 Fun. I bet they think about it all 2046 01:48:56,990 --> 01:48:59,070 year. I know they're so into it. 2047 01:48:59,910 --> 01:49:01,350 Are they into other holidays too? 2048 01:49:01,430 --> 01:49:04,710 Like, do they go big on? They certainly do go big on 2049 01:49:04,710 --> 01:49:07,270 Christmas. Yeah, seems like they decorate a 2050 01:49:07,270 --> 01:49:09,070 lot. And so, yeah, sweet. 2051 01:49:09,310 --> 01:49:12,150 Yeah. Professionally, Neil was 2052 01:49:12,150 --> 01:49:14,670 recently in the Netflix show Uncoupled. 2053 01:49:15,460 --> 01:49:17,380 I haven't watched it, but it sounds interesting. 2054 01:49:17,380 --> 01:49:21,700 And then David just joined an Off Broadway revival of the play 2055 01:49:21,700 --> 01:49:26,980 God of Carnage in NYC. So he's acting in New York 2056 01:49:26,980 --> 01:49:28,500 somewhere, right? Maybe we'll run into them. 2057 01:49:28,500 --> 01:49:30,660 Maybe. I know they live here. 2058 01:49:30,660 --> 01:49:31,620 It's. I mean, I think they have a 2059 01:49:31,620 --> 01:49:34,460 house in California too, as people do. 2060 01:49:34,460 --> 01:49:37,940 But yeah, and that's that's them. 2061 01:49:38,140 --> 01:49:39,860 Can't wait to see what they are for Halloween. 2062 01:49:39,900 --> 01:49:43,060 I love. That that was such a cute 2063 01:49:43,060 --> 01:49:44,940 couple. They are really cute. 2064 01:49:45,490 --> 01:49:49,690 Controversial controversy, like some controversies, but that's 2065 01:49:49,690 --> 01:49:52,890 always tough because I found myself really wanting to like 2066 01:49:52,890 --> 01:49:55,490 them. But I also did think that that 2067 01:49:56,290 --> 01:49:58,650 meat platter was. So disturbing. 2068 01:49:59,010 --> 01:50:01,690 It is really disturbing. And I mean it really goes to 2069 01:50:01,690 --> 01:50:04,050 show like when you want to like someone. 2070 01:50:04,410 --> 01:50:08,970 Otherwise you are more like, how can I defend this, you know? 2071 01:50:09,010 --> 01:50:11,410 I know. But I I did like them more than 2072 01:50:11,410 --> 01:50:14,010 I expected. And there have been some people 2073 01:50:14,010 --> 01:50:17,330 I researched for this show that I thought I was really going to 2074 01:50:17,330 --> 01:50:21,210 like him, and I didn't. So that guy's got Fitzgerald. 2075 01:50:21,210 --> 01:50:23,250 Oh, yeah. Like he he disappointed me. 2076 01:50:23,330 --> 01:50:26,570 Yeah. Yeah, but I still really enjoyed 2077 01:50:26,570 --> 01:50:28,290 doing those episodes. Those were like some of my 2078 01:50:28,290 --> 01:50:30,850 favorites. But it's just complicated when 2079 01:50:30,850 --> 01:50:32,610 you cover humans. Exactly. 2080 01:50:32,610 --> 01:50:36,090 It's complicated. Now who is our next couple? 2081 01:50:36,090 --> 01:50:38,570 Give us a hint. This will be our Patreon 2082 01:50:38,890 --> 01:50:43,530 episode. Next Patreon episode is quite 2083 01:50:44,130 --> 01:50:48,210 spooky. They are kind of gothic. 2084 01:50:48,210 --> 01:50:55,250 They both are known for a dark vibe and they're a modern 2085 01:50:55,250 --> 01:50:57,130 couple. Think I know another modern 2086 01:50:57,130 --> 01:50:59,970 couple you think you know. All right. 2087 01:50:59,970 --> 01:51:04,090 Well, I'm excited. And if you don't already, give 2088 01:51:04,090 --> 01:51:07,250 us a follow on. Instagram and every single week 2089 01:51:07,330 --> 01:51:10,170 we do guesses before the episode we team. 2090 01:51:10,370 --> 01:51:12,570 These days, we'll do prizes. Yeah. 2091 01:51:12,890 --> 01:51:16,770 And we'll go back and find the. We've had some people that 2092 01:51:16,770 --> 01:51:19,290 always guess it, yeah, we're going to give you a prize, but 2093 01:51:19,290 --> 01:51:22,650 we're trying to make this show, you know, bigger until. 2094 01:51:22,930 --> 01:51:25,330 Then, yeah, yeah. But we super appreciate 2095 01:51:25,650 --> 01:51:27,610 everybody on page one, everybody listening. 2096 01:51:27,610 --> 01:51:30,850 Thank you so much. And we'll get back together next 2097 01:51:30,850 --> 01:51:32,770 week. We'll get back together next 2098 01:51:33,290 --> 01:51:39,760 week. Is your heart peeled with pain? 2099 01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:53,120 Shall I come back again? Tell me, dear, how are you? 2100 01:51:53,520 --> 01:52:02,080 Long turn. Turn on.