Are You Lonesome Tonight? Are you sorry we drifted does
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My name is Melissa. I'm Kelly.
Actually, I'm Mel also known as melon Kelly.
Yeah, yeah, I'm okay. People call me Kelly.
Yeah, I don't care if people call me Melissa as well, but
What's in most of my friends call me Mal.
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joining. This is a really special episode
because we're going to be joined later by Shannon McNamara of the
podcast, fluently forward mmm-hmm.
Oh my God, this is crazy. This is really a world one
because we have been such big fans of her and her Podcast for
a while now. I've been listening to it for
like a year. I'm not sure when she started it
but I have so many memories just walking around listening to her
podcast. I can't and I actually In My
Head Thought. Wow, I would love to collaborate
with her but I thought she was kind of like out of our league
or so. Yeah, I think so and we
coincidentally we were invited to this event by glass box media
which was like a mixer. Yeah.
Launch of their Podcast. And we were even saying before,
what if she was there? And she wouldn't be and then she
was, this is coincidences all it like humans and life is so like
Kismet the way everything like works out that way.
And so we met her there. She was so nice.
We also met Kelly of beyond the blinds who were also a big fan
of as well, and it's just so crazy as well because like
Shannon is my middle name. And then dip the Kelly is
Kelly's name. That's killing you crazy.
Yeah. So, Shannon from fluently
forward, her podcast is a lot about blind items and not, you
know, the celebrity gossip that you don't hear about them under
the covers, the underbelly of LA or whatever.
But she also talks a lot about conspiracy theories and just
other topics that she explores, I really like her podcast.
Just Just using voice too. Yeah, and a lot of episode she
hosts by herself. I don't know how someone can do
that. I know it's really impressive to
me very brave. So she joins us today, we talked
about John Mayer, I'm Katy Perry.
But before we get into the episode are John Mayer.
Hurry! Yeah!
So we're going to we're going to do their little back story
before we get into the episode with Shannon.
But we already we've talked about John a lot.
Already on this podcast Mel covered John and Taylor you can
find that on our patreon if you're interested.
So I'm not really gonna get into John Mayer's, back story because
we already heard it and but I'll just remind you guys some things
that he was born October 16th 1977.
He's six foot three. I don't know.
I just feel like we're doing that.
Yeah, I didn't know that. Is.
Yeah, and if it means anything to anybody, he's a Libra.
Hmm, I don't know. It's from Connecticut.
You know, you guys might be like I don't really know any songs by
him. I think you do.
You do gravity. Your body is Wonderland
daughter's. No such thing.
That's the one. That's like I wanna run through
the halls of my high school. I'm gonna scream at the top of
my lungs. Yeah, I didn't doubt there's no
snitch. Thing as a real world.
Yep, Waiting on the World to Change.
That's a very pop that's like that was very commercialized.
Stop This Train laughs, my heart and he's a lot of great new
songs, but I feel like those are like his more.
We just mean stream, we just saw him in concert in about a month
ago as well but it's a little awkward because most people hate
him. Yeah.
About most. I don't know what like the
average American but I feel like the average Young person online.
Yes, that is so chill. And like, I feel anyone who
remembers his Playboy article from back in the day about
Jessica Simpson but wasn't a fan of him.
They probably have a bad taste in their mouth, yank him.
Any reasonable anybody who's a Taylor?
Swift fan hates them. Let me not anybody.
There might be a crossover actually myself.
Yeah, I think some people like both their music, they my friend
Jenny, hi, um, she likes both of their music.
Yeah. Yeah, because my ex-boyfriend
was obsessed with John Mayer. Yeah, I'm not doing this for
you, Jesse? Yeah, Yeah.
But yeah, it didn't, it didn't make me appreciate him a little
more. I never really paid too much
attention to him. I was, I've been a big fan of
John Mayer ever since my freshman year of college, I was
in English class and people had to dissect a song.
As if it was a poem and this Grand my class dissected, A John
Mayer song, I think it was Edge of Desire.
I'm not sure and I just really I first of all I really admired
this girl she just had such a great energy about her and she
was such a big fan of John Mayer.
I wonder if she's listening Emerson College.
I don't remember your name but I think I'm for Facebook friends.
She was a very beautiful girl and she just had such a good
analysis of the song and it made me realize how beautiful the
song was and I just became a big John Mayer.
Our fan after that, and I was really hardcore crushing on the
guy who lived across the floor from me.
And the song Edge of Desire, really resonated?
Oh yeah at the time. Like maybe this say a word I'm
over in like here with me. Yeah.
Maybe this mattress will spin on its axis and find me on yours.
Like if you're ever deeply in your feels about somebody that
song will just hit you too. Your core and that made me
really obsessed with John Mayer and he even with that song and
of desire, he has a live version from 2010 where he gives a
speech before the song. Oh, you're if you're like really
feeling it for somebody, I beg you on YouTube, watch that clip
egg. I still to this day, watch it
like once a month and it makes it hard for me to hate John
Mayer. I mean, he has such a reputation
as being a ladies man, fuck boy, but everyone called Playboy, he
does seem like a romantic at the same time.
And, and then, as her Katy Perry, I used to love her.
Like I loved her as a huge fan of like her.
One of the boys CD and I saw her in concert with my Dad.
Yeah, I didn't know that my dad actually hide that if you're
listening I remember he told me he was like fantasizing about
leaving the show with her because I was his celebrity
crush. We might you know my dad's
Christ who Gwen Stefani. Oh wow really you know I feel
like she doesn't look too. Has her hair really interesting?
My dad because my mom really wants us to do Gwen and Blake
Shelton. If you guys want that, I'll do
it but But my dad is like, I hate them together.
She's way too good for him. Who does your dad?
Think she should be with? I don't know.
He was the other day at dinner. He was talking about how she
used to be with the guitarist, from no doubt.
I'm like, oh, wow. Yeah, that's true.
It's like, you really know a lot more about this than I would
expect you to know that I would actually be a good episode.
Yeah, the guitar is I feel like that's interesting because
that's what the whole song and don't speak is about to, my dad
was like, how did you know? My dad told me that too like
janek's, baby boomer? Yeah thing.
But, um, anyway yeah, Katie I loved her music.
I feel this doing this research made me a little bit sad because
I realized I really fell off her but I think I music just change.
Yeah, I don't think adopted with the times, well enough, but I
feel like it also became really generic and job copy like Roar.
I don't know. Oh yeah.
That's when I stopped liking her knee.
She fall into that trap that people did with the
inspirational, and everybody had to be inspirational.
Yeah, I just, I think that sometimes people get really big
and then their lyrics to start to get very generic.
It was just a bunch of sing. I wanna see you be brave about a
Allah, it's a see there's the same time as that song.
But what's that girl Taylor Swift endorsed her base?
All right, so this is my fight song.
Take Back. We Bucky he also had Firework.
And what, how did Virgo that firework was still on her?
What's it called? Teenage Dream album.
Yeah, I still like to move dream.
I think I bought that. So yeah, Tina was a good album,
but then prism is when I don't know, I think that she just
started a phone in this Roar go. Um, oh wait, wait.
See me, bro? It's very commercial.
Yeah, yeah. That's a far different from.
You're so gay and you don't even like, boys.
You're gonna hang yourself with your H and M.
Star is very edgy. Yeah.
I loved her and Lily Allen at the same time.
Nice. I think they were kind of the
same like Lily Allen was the British version.
Yeah they're both very cheeky cheeky girls she really strayed
from the yeah you stop being very cheeky.
Hmm. But anyway John Mayer you know
do a little this is a reminder was dating history, whatever,
you know, everyone. Most people know he did.
Jessica Simpson Jennifer Aniston apparently.
I didn't really know about this though.
He briefly dated makeup artist Reena hammer and Tony.
Attend and Renee Zellweger in 2011.
I don't even think I said that in my episode, but like, I
don't, who knows, if it's really true and supposedly secret
relationship with shenae Grimes, for the grasses on Degrassi.
Yeah. RC.
Um, and then I also read that Kim Kardashian was linked to
John Mayer after they were spotted out in New York in 2010.
I didn't know that either. And yeah, John, you know, he had
this reputation of being a bad boy but he had has been quoted.
Many times saying he wanted to have a girlfriend wants to make
a connection with someone. Seems like he was having trouble
around this time. So yeah.
Katy Perry, let's get into her backstory.
So Catherine, Elizabeth Hudson is her name, born October 25th
1984, so she's a Scorpio me too. She was born in Santa Barbara,
California, and her parents are Pentecostal pastors.
Apparently, both her parents became pastors after a while
youths, which I just thought was interesting.
I don't know. It's like they, they had a crazy
getup like, Like time and then they decided to turn to Jesus so
they don't know. She has English, German Irish
and Portuguese ancestry. Oh, we have to afford two out of
four of those Irish in Portuguese.
To I feel like I can see it. Mmm.
Yeah. She seems really big eyes.
Yeah. I feel like Portuguese people
have a big. What did I?
Yeah. Hmm.
Yep. She has an older sister named
Angela and younger brother named David.
They moved a lot. Oh classic know.
All these celebrities and you want to be famous, guys, or it
might be too late for you, but if you want your kid to be
famous than move around a lot. If you grew up in the same house
your whole life. There's no chance for you.
Sorry. They moved around a lot.
My family is very religious and strict and they didn't have a
lot of money and apparently they used food stamps even but they
mostly lived in Santa Barbara. Like I think they would move to
other places and then come back. But Santa Barbara and then leave
and then come back. She wasn't allowed to listen to
secular music at all. And I guess hearing the song you
ought to know really influenced her.
I can see that I fits. She does seem very heavily
influenced by Alanis Morissette. Yeah.
Especially like that album one of the boys.
It's a lot more like guitar-driven.
Yeah. Trying to be edgy and stuff.
And she would sneak CDs from her friends because she wasn't
allowed to buy secular music. She sang in the choir.
Wire. She took singing lessons and she
got a guitar at age 13 when she was a little bit older, she went
to Nashville and recorded demos and got signed to some label.
And she had a debut album in 2001 called Katy Hudson, which
was a contemporary Christian album but then she, it didn't
really have that much success and she changed her name to
Parry, which is her mom's maiden name.
Mmm, I think is a good stage name, you know.
I think mom's maiden name, like, it's almost her real name.
Yeah. It's not like she just totally
made up a new name. Yeah.
So then she moved to LA at age 17 and she transition to secular
music. She worked on the record called
fingerprints. And some of those songs later
made it onto her album. One of the boys, and she's sold
some songs. She wrote to other artists.
Like I do not hook up to Kelly Clarkson.
Yeah. Which I think is so funny
because it's just so interesting that she was a Christian artist
and then has a song that like I do not hook up like, you know,
it is kind of pretty rude and judgmental people who do hook
up. Yeah.
But it's just so interesting because I'm later in her career.
She was perceived as so much more sexual and you know, Bon
Appetit, it's like people eating her body reason I.
So it's just crazy how much she changed to a lot of like, you
know, musical starts and stops afflict the happens.
A lot, you know, like you're signed to a label and they drop
You and then you start another project and yeah, it doesn't
work and, you know, Shadow out of stuff like that going on
working with a lot of producers in 2006, you didn't Travie McCoy
from Gym Class Heroes and is in the music video for Cupid's
Chokehold. I I love that song that can
middle school and remember it is that like to the left to the
left? No, that's not for you to shop.
This is this is the song that's like, take a look at my
girlfriend girlfriend. She's the only one.
One I got. Oh, yeah, yeah.
I know, I wasn't the only one who originally thought it was.
I know, it seems that's one of those songs where you would
think. The name is, maybe like, take a
look at my girlfriend. Something is called girlfriend.
No, it's Cupid's Chokehold. She was dropped a Columbia
Records. And then she was signed by
Capitol Records. Apparently, the chairman there.
Jason Flom was convinced that she could become a star and he
paired her with dr. Luke.
And they wrote. I Kissed a Girl and hot and cold
together. Is he the Kusha guy?
Yep. Yeah, yep.
And they those songs were on the EP you're so gay.
That was not hold up to it. Would never fly.
I know I have the CD just in
case that song ever gets taken down, really good.
It's definitely not PC when you say you're so gay.
Do you realize what you say? Knock it off.
Hillary dumb. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, so then she had the album one of the boys in 2008.
In this this really was a hit album.
Had I kissed a girl hot and cold.
You're so gay thinking of you and Waking Up in Vegas.
I mean, you're so gay wasn't that big of a hit but that's
like five singles. Yeah, hot and cold was humoring
you. That's like--that's to me, like
seventh grade. Yep, her and Travie, McCoy broke
up in 2008, but then they got back together then we broke up
again. In 2009.
She met Became engaged to Russell Brand 2009 and in 2010.
That's when her album Teenage Dream came out with the songs,
Teenage Dream, California Gurls, ET Last Friday Night.
The One That Got Away and Firework, those are big hits.
She was on last Friday night. Yeah, we danced on tabletops.
Think We Kissed, But I forgot. Oh, they were all such big hits
crazy. The One That Got Away.
Way. So yeah, that's basically that's
background. And then now we have our
interview with Shannon. Can I get my hair from fluently
forward? Here it is.
Well, welcome, Shannon. To the podcast.
We're so happy to have you on. Yeah.
Hey guys, happy to be here. There's mock relationships, I
love the name of your podcast. Cool concept.
It's awesome. Thank you.
Yeah. We that was hard for us to come
up with the name. What about How did you come up
with fluently forward? Oh my God.
It was like a, it was a Tumblr URL.
I had back in high school and everyone used to like change
because people wrote everything on their Tumblr, it was
basically like a diary and then you would just like change the
url once people found it. So then that way it was like a
secret. And I had, like, all of these
different. I don't know phrases that I
thought were so cool. And fluently forward was one of
them and I don't know it just like stayed with me.
So then that was what I started my tick tock on.
On. And by the time it grew, I was
like, well, if I change my username, No One's Gonna Know
it. So I don't know, it's just
random but I like the alliteration I should know this
works. Did you start off just doing
take talks and then made the podcast after yeah.
Tick-tocks all about like blind items and I know not like I
don't I'm not really on Tick-Tock anymore but I know now
there's tons of people doing Tick-Tock or like blind item
tick-tocks which is a little bit spicy because I feel like I feel
like there's a lot of Whose entire content is just reading
somebody's blind item and I'm like, okay, that is you gotta
like give a shout out or put your own opinion in there to
make it a story otherwise I'd if I was NT, I would be like I'm
going to go on a rampage and like these accounts that's so
funny though because I feel like that ended up being such good
marketing for your podcast but unintentionally.
Yeah, it worked. Well, I'm really thankful to
tick tock that's why I like, you know, now if it got deleted I'm
like oh that's fine, but yeah. I would have been like
absolutely not like we need this app to sticker.
I know I saw on your account that you said something about
not really doing find items as much anymore.
So I feel bad that we asked you to do it.
Oh no, like I said, love to work them in.
I just don't like making Tick Tock videos about them anymore
because people would be like do it on this person.
Do it on that person and I think on Tick-Tock or just like
short-form media in general people take something and run
with it. So, on a podcast episode you
could be like, oh, There's blind items about Bella Hadid and
drugs, but here's what she said, here's what they said.
Here's what I think. And if you just read that, blind
item on Tick Tock, then a bunch of kids, go crazy with it and
they're like a bella Hadid. Are you on drugs?
And it's like who I want to be a part of that, you know.
Yeah, exactly. And you can add like Nuance to
it and and plus like in a short Sound by people just like take
that as your opinion and yeah like fighting you you're like in
the episode. I talked about this is like
crazy when you put out like a clip of an episode and they're
like wow. I'll also these five.
Yeah, you're gonna my no I researched it.
I feel bad because of split the duties.
Like I edit the podcast and she does more like the marketing I
guess and I feel bad that you have to see that only always
told her, I don't really know, but it's okay.
But yeah. So today we're talking about
Katy Perry and John Mayer and so John Mayer.
He's such a reoccurring character on our podcast
somehow, he always comes up into every single episode like he's a
All the time. He's like a person in the
background and he ends up like, in an article about somebody.
And, and even if he's not in the episode, we find a way to relate
everything to John Mayer and we have these like your third
co-host. He doesn't even know it, but
yeah, he gets credit. Yeah, you really is.
We have such a soft spot for him too, and I know that pretty much
everybody doesn't like him. You guys told me that and that
blew me away because so many people and even before Taylor
Swift, like just with Jessica Simpson and Jennifer, Aniston
alone, people were like this man's the Antichrist.
So, yeah, I'm dying to hear like, what makes you John Mayer
apologist? Well, first of all, I feel like
if you were watching a teen drama, like he's the character
like the good-looking guy who's you know, like the Chuck Bass
like yeah, he's an asshole, but he's complicated and it's
complicated. Like you kind of like him for
his faults and I don't think anything he's done.
Has been like terribly awful. Looking terribly awful?
Yeah. It's been pretty bad.
Yeah, but it is like standard douche behavior and I write if
he was on the CW, we'd be like I can fix him.
Yes, exactly. And like what you see, is what
you get? I think like you know, that he's
not a great guy but like I'm is all these other like he's not
well maybe he was pretending to be nicer than he is.
But yeah, I just think like we can expect that kind of behavior
from him by now. Like we don't have to act
shocked by it. Maybe that's like giving him a
pass. I don't know.
Maybe It's not good. Who would you rather?
Would you rather John Mayer, who's a douche upfront?
Or some guy with like glasses and San Francisco?
Who's like, oh like I'm ethically.
Non-monogamous. I'm like, I'm like a feminist so
that's why. I like how you should give me
head first. And it's like, okay, you're
actually a duchenne disguise and John.
Mayer's, like here I am. Yeah of committee, I'm gonna.
Yeah, and people really take what he says and spin it.
Like I know he was on call her daddy.
He said something about like committed Talk about serenading
his dates like naked with a guitar and stuff and it was
obviously a joke and then people were like, oh my God, he's such
a creep like probably the Taylor Swift episode, like I feel like
that really made us a little bit more sympathetic for him because
I know the age difference is bad but there's really actually know
that much evidence that they dated.
Okay, they are none. Have you heard the Martin
Johnson Theater? Yes.
Okay.
So like I'm really curious when speak Now rerecords, come out is
John Mayer. I feel like he's got to say
something and I feel like he's going to say hi.
We actually never dated. Yeah, please, I'd like to be
removed from this narrative things.
I did say that he kind of did say, like I didn't do anything
wrong, and then Taylor Swift was asked about that.
And I was like, well, if he thinks it's about him, then then
he must have done something. When it's like not that he
thinks it's about him, everybody thinks it's about help.
I think I remember she was like, oh, he thinks it's about him,
how presumptuous, which was so Hermione Granger.
Are, you know, it's like it's the name like just within that
timeline. Like, she's also dating Taylor
Lautner's. Like, how does it really line up
like? Oh yeah, it doesn't make sense.
Yeah, if you actually put all the dates together, oops, you
put the dates together. It seems like she was dating
Taylor at the same time. So, yeah, well - so yeah, but I
think we wanted to do this episode because yeah, John has a
reputation for being such a Playboy but it seems like from
outside. He was really in love with Katy,
Perry will see what it was actually like.
I mean we don't know what it was actually like but we'll see how
the relationship went. Yeah, he often talks about
wanting to be married or, you know, he wishes he had a
long-term partner and he has his kind of sad.
Add 5 to himself to. So, yeah, I would you say that's
why you wanted to do this episode?
Yeah, I think so. I also, I am a fan of his music,
which definitely influences my bad mean he's like a freak with
that guitar. He do anything with it like I
can't deny. He's like insanely talented,
he's he's really talented. He's got like the brooding dark
feature, musician type thing going for him and I agree with
you. It is weird how with the whole
Narrative of Taylor Swift. He So, avoidant and unavailable
and also like, you know, things that other woman have said about
him and then all of a sudden, you see him wearing matching
sweaters with Katy Perry on the Ellen show, and so many people
and they talk about the Taylor Swift.
Katy Perry Feud they're like, backup dancers, backup dancers.
I'm like, you don't think it had anything to do with the fact
that you couldn't tie this man down and then he's wearing a
matching sweater with Katy. Perry like later.
So true that would bug me like I'd certainly be thinking about
it. So yeah, maybe there's a There.
That's so true. It is crazy.
The two of them had such feuds with Taylor Swift.
It's very interesting. Yeah, here's the thing, like she
has a lot of feuds with people like, yeah.
I know of all of her feuds, but if I have to think of who, I
don't know, even like Kim Kardashian, she's feuded with
Taylor Swift. But who else has she feuded
with? Like I just can't really Taylor
Swift. I mean there's a lot of drama
around her and we'd that's what true about Katy Perry because I
Taylor Swift feuds with people by association like with
Scooter, Braun. It's like just because he was
associated with Kanye. West, even like Justin Bieber
just because they were associated with him.
Yeah, it's like I wonder if like just because Katy Perry was
dating her ex or like dating, someone who wronged her.
It's like everyone has to pick a side.
Yeah. You're my team are, there's
yeah, maybe mmm. But so what like how would you
describe this couple Katy Perry and John Mayer?
Like in three words oh yeah. We usually do the thing with
this thing where we describe a couple and three words I would
say fun. Oh God.
Deep because it seems like they had deep feelings for each
other. But I'd also say unstable, we
always end with the negative 1. Yeah, song they did together.
Was it who you love? Is a very Like tampon commercial
like music video kind of lovable?
Yes. Yeah, and they like they weren't
afraid to do all of these couple things together that most
Hollywood couples stray away from because they know that
eventually they're going to break up and it's going to haunt
them. Right?
Right, huh. Well should we get into the
timeline? Okay, John Mayer and Katy Perry.
Okay, I always thought that they met 2014 around that time
started dating. But I came across this article
from today, about how they actually met and hung out the
night before she met Russell Brand.
Little like 22, serendipitous to be true, but it came out, the
article came out in 2010, but this would have been 2009.
How I guess she met John Mayer at a bar in New York after they
were sending flirty texts to each other for a couple weeks.
And this is the source. From any news at the time, it's
that they never met in person and she went to meet him there.
At the bar after she was out of Jay-Z concert at Madison Square
Garden. John had been at the Jay-Z
concert for performance and asked Katie to meet up later
that night. And then it said, John thought
she was so hot and fun and to her, they were so flirty, and
all over each other that night. At the bar, they really liked
each other. The personalities, just clicked
and they were flirting and dancing.
And it was on. But apparently, the next day
that was the VM. Is and Russell Brand was hosting
it and she met him there and then they started talking.
And then they got married and John Mayer.
Just kind of got forgotten mmm-hmm.
Yeah, isn't that one? John?
Mayer's reputation was really bad too, because yes, it's right
after the Playboy, article had come out.
Yeah. It's like Off the Grid while, so
don't you wonder. Do you like, they met up at a
bar? I'm like what bar?
Like if you're famous people like, is it a members-only bar,
is it just like so expensive? Civ that people won't bother
you. Like, I always want to know the
details, I know apparently was called, I have written down gold
bar. I don't know where that is.
It was 2009. So who knows if it like even
exist anymore? But yeah, I know I'm always I
for this episode. I was looking up like,
restaurants, they went to a stop because I was so curious.
Oh, okay, it's like a nightclub and it's got the four dollar
sign. So.
All right, doesn't matter. Not for us.
Yeah. So then choose with Russell
Brand and they were married but then they got divorced.
February 2012 is when they reach their divorce settlement and
then around the same time, what? John was up to?
He he had all the drama that Taylor Swift.
That was like, around this time he also had horde granular
record granuloma, which is a non cancerous mass that grows on her
vocal cords so he wasn't able to sing and had to get.
Like all this treatment done to it.
So he was kind of not performing not touring or anything that's
sad. And yeah, I remember when Tove
Lo had like something on her vocal cords and she couldn't,
she didn't speak for like two months.
She just carried around a notepad with her and she said it
was like such a traumatic experience is right.
Like that's your livelihood and it could be on.
It's like, you don't know. Yeah.
That must be the same thing as John because I think he also
couldn't talk and had to just right.
Brutal. Yeah, I know and then I read
that Katie after Russell Brand was apparently dating the
guitarist of Florence and the Machine, but I think it was just
a casual thing, I don't know. But then Katie and John, their
first rumors of them. Dating came up in July 2012,
there were things in tabloids like daily mail saying that they
had hooked up and at this time Katie was 27 and John was 34.
Funny. So why do I imagine I just
always think Katie. Barry is older than she is.
Maybe she was already divorced me because I'm, I'm 28.
Oh my God, I can't believe this wild 2734 okay.
Well, he's moving up from 19. So they were appropriate.
Yeah, I was wondering if like he we don't know maybe I texted her
because she was a divorced now. Like, I don't know how they got
back in touch, but they were hanging out and then there's all
these articles coming out of them together.
There's a picture of them and it card.
John's driving, he's smiling. He has long hair.
Apparently, they went out to dinner Pace restaurant and Ela,
and Chateau Marmont for a drink. And I was thinking that he kind
of looks like Russell Brand. No, I was just thinking that
too. And he has long hair and he kind
of looks like Orlando Bloom to. Yeah, she likes long hair.
She doesn't like a Is military cut?
Yeah, so yeah, they're together. There's stories that they're all
over each other making out at a pool and Beverly Hills there.
Seen together, Bunch John's often wearing, a wide brim hat.
Oh my God, his hat era. I hated that.
I hate guys. In half Enrique Iglesias, does
it? Ian Somerhalder?
Does it, like, why are you wearing that?
Remember when Harry Styles, had the long hair and the hat?
Maybe it's just like a thing that will Is go through.
I think it makes sense, if they're balding, of course.
But if to have your hair I don't really understand the point.
Especially if there's a chance you might lose it eventually.
Also we think like it covers the baldness but I think it it
disrupts the hair so it's like yeah.
Easier for other things to fall out like true.
Yeah. Because he's going for the whole
Western thing Montana in Montana, I don't even know.
He. Yeah, he did.
Well I don't know if he does all the time but he at least like
has a house I think after all the bad reputation going on he
yeah. He's like I'm gonna go jerk off
in the balance amount anyone. Yeah.
Moved to Montana A source. Told people.
They almost acted like they've been a couple for a long time
and definitely didn't seem like a new relationship and their
reports. They're having sleepovers at his
house, which is very normal for him sleep over it voids, write
something. Slumber party at John Mayer.
You're like, okay, they're having a doll.
But whatever she brought her pet Ooh, yeah.
Some July August, but later in August it was reported that it
was over. Oh alrighty already know it so
it only lasted what like a couple months?
Hang on, guys. Okay, I thought the same thing
when I started researching this, I was like, oh no wait a second.
This is only like Adam wonderfully efficient ship but
no they broke up but they cannot together.
Yeah, they broke up. Um, I thought this is kind of
funny E online. Someone named Natalie, Finn
wrote Katy Perry and John Mayer don't seem to be doing whatever
it was. They were doing any more
sleepovers. Yeah.
One source told people, they'd end up as friends and that it
wasn't serious, but another source said that Katie was
really upset. John did a number on her.
I will say, that's probably true.
He seems that the guy that doesn't number on you.
I know. I don't know and he cut his hair
actually. Oh my God, little breakup cut.
Yeah. Yeah, he's starting your new but
okay. A couple weeks later it was back
on. I guess that's until this, the
sex is good. I'm like, okay.
Like I already dated him. They were, they were seen at the
fyf festival in a light which I didn't know stood for fuck.
Yeah, Fest. Never heard of that before, and
it only exists anymore. But that is just so 2012, I
think, Everything was fuck. Yeah, yeah, John was wearing a
cowboy hat. Had his arms around Katie, who's
in a floral dress, so 2012, and they went to a strip club
together in Las Vegas. They're pictures of their with
friends and they were there till 5 a.m. that seems like an
activity. They would do today.
So, October, it's both. This is 2012 still.
It's both of their birthdays or both October babies.
I'm not really, I don't know if you're interested ology.
I don't really know anything about it, but October is he's a
Libra. I guess.
And she's a Scorpio. So they're different signs are
different? Yeah.
I don't know anything about. I don't know.
I know like Levi's are balanced. Scorpios are like a little bit
like secretive. So is he the Scorpio?
No, she's years. I'm a Scorpio is what.
But yeah. So it was both.
It's that must've been fun for them, both of their birth.
Days in October. They celebrate his at ABC
Kitchen in New York and then she does, she has vampire.
Oh you've been there? Yeah, it's good spot but it's
like not super. It's like kind of I mean it's
expensive but it's not like I always imagined celebrities are
only eating plates that are like each entrees, $200, you can get
something there for like 30. That's cool down a little down
to earth. Yeah.
Apparently, who knows what they really did that, but she had a
vampire themed birthday party. Love those pictures.
Them. Yeah, because we love vampires.
There's pictures of them being very kissy and smiling.
He's for some reason I think dresses.
Woody Harrelson's character from Zombieland, which okay, the one
who was like, into Twinkies. I remember that.
That's like, but that's zombies, but I don't know, maybe he liked
was confused. Kristen Stewart was there?
Oh wow. Did she just go with herself?
I am the vampire. Maybe that's it.
Same time, KD and Russell were actually at the same Lakers game
Russell Brand but apparently, they didn't interact.
Okay. Well, cold shoulder.
They go to Santa Barbara and maybe meet Katie's parents
because that's where she's from. They're just seen out and about
a lot together. And I thought this was funny in
December 2012. She posted a picture of John
dressed as Santa and he's just making this such a sultry
expression. He's like posing like this.
Thank you. And I go see some people being
creeped out by. Yeah, I like it.
Why don't you do it? He's always doing that face of
like a little bit of like a downturn smirk in those eyes
that just stare through, you know, I won't fall for him like
so easily like this. By all the warnings, I do think.
I mean, we don't know him but I feel like he's trying to reform
ERM. I hope so today.
I don't know. Yeah, so cute Christmas in
January. They went to Hawaii together.
They went through on an ATV tour.
In the mud. Katie has no makeup on.
How do they get pictures of them in Hawaii?
I know right in the mud. Like, come on.
Yeah, I know, like, with the paparazzi also be on ATVs there
in the mud there. Like camouflage in the trees.
Yeah, because I feel like some Is like that.
Like you have to Off Road in order to even be there?
Well, here's the question. She had no makeup on.
Did, did it was it a good? No makeup.
Look or was it like she looks like shit.
I yeah, I didn't save the picture here, but I thought it
looked okay. I thought looked good.
Okay, then it was called. That's how we I'm doing.
I'm like, do you look good? Yeah, you look fat.
Yeah, it wasn't terrible. But then later, this is January
2013. There's this weird article that
says that John Mayer and Allison Williams who played Marnie on
Girls, I don't know if you watch that show, what I do.
And there's a blind item by involves Allison Williams here.
Do you want to read it? It was about their her wedding,
but it says this a plus list singer took back her, former ala
singer ex yet again and yet again, but he did the same thing
he always does this past weekend.
Get phone numbers of women even while he is actually at the same
event as the A+ Lister, because you always need someone to fill
up his free. Time the A+ list, find the A+
Lister. So Katy Perry finds out and they
split for a month or two and then she takes them back.
So apparently, even at his, you know, alleged ex's wedding, he's
going with his current girlfriend.
I'm like getting girls numbers. Yeah, my God.
Why did I listen Williams even invite him to her wedding in the
first place? Well, okay, so this is an
article apparently. He was friends with her future
husband, Ricky, Van Veen. Who's the CollegeHumor founder?
Oh, that's kind of cool. I know, I don't know how John
and him became friends but he was friends with him and then
there's this article that comes out that says him and Allison.
William were Allison Williams were seen at an event together
then they got dinner and people, some people said it was just
innocent but someone said that he had his arm around Ellison's
waist and it looked a little suspicious.
Yeah. I feel like John Mayer is the
tight. Like he could go out with your
grandma and he did your grandma, you know?
Like that. Yeah it is interesting though
that like later a couple years later they go to her wedding.
I don't know. Wow two months after that story
news comes out the Jon and Katie have broken up again class.
I can tie. This news comes out that he's
announced his first tour in three years because of his
throat issues and she's in the studio again and sources say
it's because of conflicting schedules.
Uh, Jules someone said it's not over.
Until it's over. You have to see how things play
out. She's leaving the window open.
They both have been so focused on work.
Oh my God. They didn't even know that was
going to inspire her. What's that song?
Just because it's over doesn't mean it's real Travie McCoy.
From what's up, what's up? They did Cupid's Chokehold.
Oh yeah, Gym Class Heroes. Yeah, dude.
That was apparently off and on and then Orlando Bloom their
relationship was often daunting to so she's got that Voodoo clam
or something, they keep up. Well, that's the thing.
Like is she breaking up with them?
Or are they breaking up with her?
Like yeah. Is she the one coming back or
they begging her back? I don't know why, but I find
that concept. I'm like hot like breaking up
and getting back together because you just like can't
stand it. Unlike It is, it is, it was, it
was abrupt though because I seemed mean outwardly, we don't
really know what's going on, but they seemed really happy and she
had a heart-shaped ring. She was wearing on her ring
finger and I just got to ask, do celebrities do this on purpose?
I feel like I always see them being like she's wearing a ring
on her ring finger. Yeah, they might like I've been
in like 15 relationships and I've never once been like get me
a ring to put on my ring finger. First of all, because I'm like
as a girl like that's gonna like terrify a guy once you're past
the age of like 25, you know, and also they haven't been
dating that long really. It's only been like a year to be
wearing, but don't we encounter this all the time and they have
a promise ring? I put is that mean I always see
somebody? I think even like Kristen
Stewart, maybe like people are wearing rings on their ring
finger. Yeah.
Who does that? I don't know.
It's maybe it's just like a secret code one.
Like you kind of want like a little bit of a Bump or like
let's say, John Mayer is like allegedly like hitting on women
in front of you or something. You go out and get paparazzi
wearing something on your ring finger.
And then all these news articles would be like, John Mayer and
Katie, like cement it even more and then you'll be like.
Yep. Yeah, that's right.
That's so true. I would love to ask somebody.
What's up, what's up with the Rings?
So they woke up and he was on Ellen and she asked him about
it. It.
And He just had to like everybody was like, Ellen was so
invasive? I'm like, oh shoot, she was but
also she asked the questions we want to know like I don't wanna
celebrity to come on and promote their new book.
Who are you? Fucking who you looking like,
tell the audience right now? You know I'm good fun.
Like people are so sensitive and I feel like she made Taylor
Swift cry. I'm like I watched that video.
Like there weren't any tears? She's fun.
Yeah. Well what do they say that about
when they when she pranked her there?
There was like a time where she was like, would you date him?
Would you date him? Would you date him?
And, you know, you're supposed to say, like, yeah, you're an
eye on Taylor? Was like, I really don't want to
do this and I think that's because the media was pairing
her with different guys but like, yeah, you know, come on
like you you put Dear John style for Harry Styles, like, come on
girl, please into it. Yeah.
Katie, Katie, Katie would answer those questions.
Actually Katie would be like him and then I would split up with
him for a month and then I go back to him again.
I noticed she I won't read the whole thing but Ellen was like,
I love you. My thoughts are with you.
What could notice she said, last time I saw you, you were Katy
Perry and he said correct. And he said, I love you.
My thoughts are with you, it's nobody's business, but and then
he just says like, yeah, I'm trying to be private, whatever.
And then he kind of goes On to say that starts rambling about
how he used to love love. Love loved Scotch.
But it was poisoned, is it? Yeah, it's gonna funny, I'm just
getting to that age where your body doesn't just take
everything off and it didn't help that.
I really loved. Loved loved scotches.
Just like applying poison to your body.
It's like a shellac of poison. It's just delicious, wonderful
poison. That makes you not care how late
you're out, or till or where you're going.
But I had to really say like singing and writing more than I
like to live. Just Scotch.
So I had to dial it down and I'm a little more boring now.
Oh is that a metaphor for Katie? Oh no, I don't know.
But yeah, I'd be want a glass of scotch.
Scotch is delicious. Like I've had it before.
No, it's not like, you know, I was just cheesecake.
It's not just made me wonder about what was going on with
him. Like, was he drinking too much?
Oh maybe. Oh, and then he's, like, that's
why. I mean all the blinds just say
that Like he would cheat on Katy Perry.
So they would split and then get back together and then he would
like cheat so then should break up with him for a bit but then
they get back together. So I wonder if that was like,
you know trying to do the whole thing of like, yeah, like I made
out with a girl to Club, but that's because I have a drinking
problem. Oh, you're using that as a
cover-up. Yep.
You know, it's interesting to hear you say that because then
there's stories like this was on radar online.
I don't know if we can trust them, but that KD and Russell
still talked and that bothered John but also that Katie was
upset that John still flirted with other girls.
And there's a quote that says she knew that she could push
John's buttons by comparing his flaws to what she's saw was
great in Russell which he hated oh that's a good.
Toxic move though. That would get under a guy's
skin like I'd see both of that. That being true, both of them
be. And yeah, around this time I saw
a bunch of headlines. I didn't really look too far
into it. That John wasn't sending flirty
text to Rihanna. Okay, should we talk about the
blind item? Yeah, I would've thought that
like was fake, but um, there was a blind.
I pulled here that says this, a plus list singer.
Katy Perry used to be best friends with this other A+ list,
singer Rihanna back. In the day if they had been in
the same place at the same time they would have got together.
Not now neither of them, can stand each other and when they
had the chance to meet this past week, they blew it off.
It all revolves around drugs and a guy that both of them hooked
up with and that would be just On mayor.
But when I saw like those names in there, I'm like John Mayer
and Rihanna, like, I just can't see it, but I don't know.
They are both kind of like, dark complicated individuals.
Yeah, so interesting cause she also came up in the Justin
Timberlake episode that he supposedly hooked up with her as
well. I could look at remember them
when they collabed like with that song Rehab.
Yeah. She's too good for all guys.
Like I know she is she doing? Look at her current man.
She's like to cook, yeah, I know.
That's oh yeah, like Christmas. She she had good taste when her
and Cara. Delevingne were like maybe
allegedly hooking up. I'm like I'm a fan of that.
Big fan of like to hot woman hating.
Yeah, yep, maybe maybe there's truth to that.
Okay. So they're texting.
Yeah. They're doing texting so her and
John, you know, still broken up. There was a glamour article.
It said, Katie hired a heartbreak coach to get through
this second. Actually, that's sweet.
I love that too. I wish everybody could do that.
I know that. I feel like, that's when you
need it. Most, you know, it seems like it
didn't work those, they got back together because she's like,
couch me to get better. So then, that way I can get back
on the horse and then I'll see you again in six years.
And then. Okay, so May 2013, there were
also reports that Katy Perry and Robert Pattinson went to a
wedding rehearsal together. Mmm, just have to mention it
also because of our past. Yeah.
Okay. So Kristen was at the party Rob.
Pattinson Hollywood. Really is just like a big
circle. Yeah, I don't believe that.
Katie. And Rob ever got together,
though. I know, I have more.
There's more. Oh, okay.
Okay. Then guys, You in 2013, its back
on your back together. He was seen leaving her house in
LA and they're seen in Greenwich Village Bowery Hotel.
Everybody goes there. Katie was on the cover of Vogue
and there's a whole interview with her but it's kind of
awkward because it was before they were back together.
So she's kind of talking about them talking about him in past
tense and everything and she said it's over.
I was madly in love with him. I am I still am madly in love
with him? Beautiful Mind tortured soul, I
do have to figure out why I'm attracted to these broken Birds.
I love that when people just admit things like that, you
know. Yeah.
It's very relatable. Like we've all been there
before. Yeah.
And she also told the magazine about Rob and Kristen, she said
I sent her meaning. Kristen Stewart, I sent her a
text message saying, I know you've seen all this stuff but
you know, I would never disrespect.
You. I'm not that person, I'm just
trying to be a friend to him, but it is unfortunate that I do
have a set of tits. What?
Why don't like that? So, like trying to be a friend
to him if you're on texting basis, with Kristen Stewart,
just don't be a friend of Rob Pat like I'm sure he's got other
friends I like, but for me during a breakup I'm like, I
will like that other person that you broke up with will now be my
enemy. Like I'm not going to be much, I
know. But what do you think of this?
Well, I do think I've realized like even with a lot of my guy
friends, like when they go through a breakup or something,
they cannot talk about it with you like each other.
They don't want to talk about it.
Break up with other guys. They always like need a girl to
like talk like therapist or something.
So I could maybe see that, but it does the parrot.
It's thing. I'm like, that's what makes it.
So sexual she could have been, like, like, I'm being a friend.
But, you know, how those these tabloids make it out to be
instead, she's like, I, like I'm trying to be a friend, but I've
got like these all Some melons that like you just can't get his
hands off of him. Especially since Kristen is
like, flat-chested kind of, I know, I don't know if she was
trying to say that people are being sexy.
Oh, maybe, you know, I don't know if someone sent me that
text and of not interpreted it. That way, I wasn't blocks out.
If somebody was like being a friend to my ex then they're
like sorry that I have a pair of be like you're blocked like but
yeah, it might have been in descent.
She maybe was like the media is making it because I have because
I have said they're making it seem like we're together.
I do think Kristen was probably I don't know.
I can't pin her down. Yeah she's unpredictable.
She also said about John Mayer. She said he pulled away.
That was a big. Hello for me.
I realized I could lose the person I loved and I had to deal
with some things issues that I think a lot of women have you
can be strong in one aspect of your life but submissive and
another in relationships, it was hard for me to speak up and set
boundaries, I think. Out of that, was to do with the
fear of loss. The men I have gone for are
challenging. Yes.
But they're also wildly intelligent and poetic, I'm not
interested in taming anyone. I'm pretty wild myself.
God, I like that. I like her style.
I like what she's saying like. Yeah, I'm into it.
It's very vulnerable. Yeah, it's pretty unique.
I don't know. I feel like most people are not
so blase about being with a bad boy or you know, she's like
yeah. I like it.
Yeah, yeah. Most people are just like, oh my
God, they're still my friend. But the schedule it didn't work
out and I'm always like. Yeah, screw it.
Like screw that. Like I want to relate to you,
like tell me a little nugget like this and then it gets me on
your side because I'm like, wow. Like I connect with it.
Pretty cool. That's so true.
She's doing her Prism album. Gotta admit, I used to really
like Katy Perry. Well, that's kind of when I fell
off on her. Yeah, wait, that was like Dark
Horse, right? I think so maybe but yeah I
think you're right. I think that was she hasn't
really had like a banger in the last five years.
Yeah. Was that swish swish?
No, that was the witness album. Oh yeah, that's been shifted.
Bon Appetit, they randomly an expert.
Now, where this happened I was listening to some of her music
just to like oh yeah, I wanted to see what was going on and now
I'm worried it. Has ruined my algorithm but yeah
a lot of Katy. Yeah.
Yes. So Katie I love you no offense.
But yeah. Um, okay.
So then yeah, they're back together though her and John
room fact. It got kind of confusing because
the article was about their breakup but they are together
and he performs at Summerfest in Milwaukee and he does this whole
long rambling, speech about Katie before, well, we think is
you can infer is about Before a song.
And he says, okay it's kind of a long paragraph, should I read?
Yeah, thanks. Okay.
He says, I was just getting to know a girl, and I started
really considering re considering how everything was
going to be right. As I was putting a needle
through my neck because I was still getting to know this girl.
Okay, so he's talking about his vocals.
Alright. I think he was talking about how
he is so happy to be performing again.
Because he's been gone because he had the vocal cord granuloma
thing. So he says, right as I was
putting a needle through my neck because I was still getting to
know this girl. And I wasn't going to be able to
talk to her and she was more incredible than I ever thought
because she would order for me. I would whisper in her ear and
she would order for me with the waiter and she would tell
people. It's nice to meet you.
And we did a lot of whispering when I was in Montana.
And I wasn't speaking, really bad self service.
I've got really bad internet, service out there and a lot of
mist dropped video. Blame, I miss Drop video frames.
And so, she was so patient as to even continue to get to know me
and love me. We would be on speakerphone and
look at intermittent pictures of each other as they were coming
through, this really choked satellite and this is a long
time coming for both of us. And I want to dedicate this next
song to my k/d who is, oh, he does, it's great, my kitty, who
is my face to call home, and then he played the song face to
call home. She was in the audience, I don't
know if she was But it's also so funny like he probably has like
a private jet but he can't get like a video signal and reach
out to someone Montana. Still in the u.s. like yeah I
know you'd think he could do something with that.
There was like a nice story around this time that Jon and
Katie were in the guitar shop and they bought a 16 year olds
fan and guitar that she couldn't afford just so sweet.
You see how sweet? Yeah.
And then October 2013, they're At who you love who we mentioned
earlier comes out on his Paradise Valley album.
And did we like that song? I thought it was a little bit of
a flop. Yeah.
I do a little cheese. Definitely not one of his best.
I would say. Yeah, I just think the earlier,
like, it gets caught in your head but it's like, yeah.
Do like a John Mayer? Sexy dark one or do like a Katy
Perry pop and it feels like they were both so different.
So instead they were like, let's just do like a slow song and
it's like what? Yeah.
I do like in the music video like because they have a lot of
different couples like on this mechanical bowl and they're like
thrown off the bowl and slow motion and then they have Jon
and Katie that's care. Like when they have like the up
close shots of Jon and Katie and they're like, very, very close
together like you can see like this.
Yeah, I'm going to re-watch it after this.
I know. I've only seen it like once so I
should re-watch it to ya. It is like a commercial though,
you're right. There was like this, soft,
lighting filter, you know, kind of like dreams.
Sequence type of coloring on it. Yeah.
Yeah it is. I don't know.
It would've been cool if it was like a little more detailed you
know, the lyrics could have been less generic, but mmm, whatever.
I guess she did write her verse. That's what he said in an
interview, so they really did write it together.
He co-wrote some stuff on her Prism album, and he played
guitar on a song. It don't, I don't really know
these songs but a song called it takes two.
And that I guess John came up with the name for the title.
He said something about her having a she was a prism of wide
spectrum of emotions or something.
So, oh that's cute. That would be nice to date a
poet, right? Other guys are like good to
quote her own text. I like your tits.
And he yeah. Like your breasts are like a
prism of emotions. Yeah, and during this billboard
interview, she said she started giggling, I guess.
And realized she was A John Mayer hoodie and said, I can't
believe I'm wearing my boyfriend's shirt and she said,
he literally is a genius, as is evident from his songwriting.
I always tell him, darling. You know, I'm going to have to
give you your mind to science after you've passed because
we're going to have to understand how all these Sparks
work will be in bed and he'll be doing the crossword puzzle.
Every night, he tries to finish it in under 10 minutes, when he
puts his mind to something, he really gets its own.
Very well. I always ask him for his help.
Oh God, not calling a man of Genius.
It's like John Mayer. Already thinks he's a genius for
the crossword puzzle. She but is when you're like,
when you put someone on a pedestal though, that's why you
are like I remember like one of the guys.
I dated he would always like try to take the stairs instead of
the elevator and I was like, what a sign of a good.
I'm like he's ambitious, he's healthy like the tiniest thing
when you're like, in love y'all. Oh my God.
You know? Yeah it's embarrassing to look
back pretty much everyone. I've been like head over heels
with I thought was like genius at the time me too and it's
crazy when years later you're like wait that was just a person
yeah yeah an idiot and I'm a wild those damn chemicals.
Yeah yeah so a little like a month later she's also on the
cover of w magazine. Okay?
She's she's star see. She said she had a crush on John
Mayer for a long time and that she was actually dating my
crush. She said, I've been a fan of
John for years before actually got to kiss him.
Oh, but it's pretty humid lucky celebrities like they truly
anything. You know, I had such a huge
crush on somebody in middle school, but he didn't even know
existed. I was like, he doesn't even know
who I am, and then I actually dated him in high school.
Yeah. And he didn't turn out to be as
great as I I thought I broke up with him so you know sometimes.
That's probably how it usually goes.
Yeah, I mean, right? They can't live up to the
expectations of being a crash. Yes, I know.
I wonder, I think that they did love each other as complicated
as it seems, but I wonder if she ever felt like, I can't break up
with him, like, it's John Mayer, you know?
Yeah. I always had such a big crush on
him. I can't break up with him, you
know. Yeah.
Be kind of hard in this same W magazine interview they asked
Her. If she liked being married,
which is kind of weird, because she's not married anymore.
But she said, of course, I really loved.
It was a new fun, exciting Journey.
But I like how I am now, and I think all things happen for a
reason. Mmm, that's nice.
The quote of someone who's moved on, you know, yet not that
Earnest in that. Yep.
And I guess she has this song on that album called Legendary
Lovers and I just thought I was cool because it's kind of like
our podcast. Yeah.
I could've been a good title. Yeah.
And I guess it was inspired by something.
He said in an email to John got them in Poetic together.
Yeah, yeah I think they were there were a lot of rumors of
them being engaged in 2013 and once again she's seen with a
ringer on her finger which excited a lot of people but they
weren't engaged. I don't know why they why they
do that and then February 2014, sadly news comes out that Jon
and Katie have broken up again for a third time.
Blamed on schedules. Yeah. it was again, but yeah,
based on what I doubt it kind of I feel like at that point to if
you're a celebrity like you would be used to making
conflicting schedules work, I mean, I know it's still hard but
I mean, if they made it work, when he couldn't speak to her in
Montana and they were like sending carrier pigeons to each
other, you know, like, yeah, I think maybe schedules can just
be the Catalyst for cheating and other stuff because like, if
you're around all the Time like yeah, it's harder to be yeah,
cheating on each other, but if you're not around each other and
you're interacting with so many different people, yeah, then
that's a threat. Like, if he's in Europe, yeah,
might hook up with somebody. Oh yeah.
Yep. So they broke up.
According to Page, 6 KT, made the decision to end the pair's
nearly two-year relationship after discovering text messages
on John's phone from some random girl, there we go.
Yeah. Okay.
Cheating John. I know, I know John, we were
rooting for you. I thought that I think he did
love Katie and his own fucked-up way, but I thought that this was
different. It's just a cheater.
Like a, no, I think he just is And then People magazine I mean
I don't know but they said another reason for them to break
up was their age Gap. So now Katie's 29, he's 36,
which isn't crazy, but apparently he was kind of ready
to more settle down and start a family and things like that.
Maybe and she wasn't still wanted to keep partying.
So I don't know how much truth there is to that, but huh.
Which is so funny because like, how old is he now?
And he's like, still not. Marry I know.
Yeah, I know every six, I think, He's 46.
Yeah, 50 makes me kind of sad because he's been on the record
saying many times. Like I wanna have a family or
whatever but you just can't. I feel like I just don't trust
guys who say that because I feel like guys who want it, do it
like they do not quietly, they do it quickly and then I don't
know. I just like so many guys who
like profess that they want marriage and to me that's also a
little bit of a red flag because isn't it?
Oh, I want a partner. Her and then you love that
partner so much that you want to marry them.
But going around saying I want to be married, I want to be
married it's like you don't even care about the person you just
want that status. Yeah exactly yeah.
Maybe like has too high expectations or something and
yeah but I mean also John's dad didn't have him until he was 50
years old so she might think in his head like 50 is when I
settle down. Yeah a man can have kids like
whenever you want. So they Such a different
perception of like when the ages to get married and his dad isn't
his dad like 90 some dust still alive.
So yeah. Maybe thinks he'll love.
Y'all. Have a good at 90.
Yeah. So yeah.
They broke up Miley tweeted to Katie girl.
If you're worried about, this is all written crazy.
It's like if you're you are worried ABT about where tongues
have been good thing. Your X boo, is your ex boo
because all we all know where that been like that tongue has
been. Yep.
We just wanted his was this. The error when Miley Cyrus
couldn't put her own tongue in her mouth and rub rail Hangar.
Yes, so we're tongue was always reacting to something.
Katy had said something about tongues and Katie said, oh,
girl, I'm gonna give you the biggest spanking when I see you
in the UK BB. Okay.
I'm like hey it's just fun. Like I like and that's the thing
with John Mayer. Like who's like the most eat
John Mayer could date like Elizabeth Holmes and then break
up and we feel like we're on Elizabeth Holmes side.
Like that's just his that's just who he is.
Yeah, there were rumors that Katie's dating Diplo.
Oh I can totally see that. And then around the same time
John was seen. This is random detail, included
seen leaving the area. Airport.
Wearing a bathroom over his clothes yet if I used to look
too cute. Yeah, not sure it was going on
with him. She was asked about John and
Cosmopolitan and she said I'm living in the now and not
fantasizing about the past. I have a lot of respect for him
still and I know it goes both ways, there's no bad blood but
I'm sure there will be inspired songs but then, oh my God.
I was shocked by this, then they were back together.
Yeah, that's crazy. Just because it's over, doesn't
mean it's really only that song. Yeah, she really loved that
song, you know. She didn't just make that song
cuz oh, yeah, she really loved it.
Um, yeah, they were seen on a double date, actually Allison
Williams and that guy Ricky, Van Veen, okay?
They've seen holding hands and then she perform the Super Bowl
and Jon and Katie apparently seen together at a Super Bowl
ad. After party, and they're in a
picture together with Missy Elliott.
Okay, well, there was a blind about that with the Super Bowl.
Let me pull it up here and I thought this one was like, kind
of surprising, but it's from blind gossip.
It says, we've told you before that this female singer went
willingly, got back together with her ex even though she knew
he was using her to save his own reputation.
Well, since he was already using her for one thing push to use
her for another, he asked to be included on her recent.
Big project, the halftime. Show, when that didn't happen,
he blamed her and then immediately punished her by
sleeping with somebody else. That's pretty bad.
It's true. I could see him trying to
because didn't like, Lenny, Kravitz come out and do like a
guitar thing with her. I could see him.
Maybe being like, Oh, have me, be the guy who comes out, my
God, which, by the way, like, Lenny Kravitz is awesome, but it
would have been cool to you to have John Mayer come out.
Like, he could do a little snippet in a Super Bowl halftime
show, Yeah, I think he's perfect for that.
Actually could see her being hesitant though, like, they
have. Yeah, there's obviously gostrey
like three times because I really want to bring John out.
Yeah. Oh, that's a weird situation and
then okay, that same night. Russell Brand tweeted Super
Bowl, maybe baffling to the Brits, but halftime show will be
amazing. Good luck KP.
Oh, let's see. Yeah, it is.
But it's kind of weird. He's always around.
Yeah, he is lurking. Yeah, Jon and Katie went to
Disneyland together, May 2015. This is a couple months after
the Super Bowl and this is when Katie's deep and her Taylor
Feud, then July 2015. So couple months after that,
they break up for the fourth time.
This book is this better be a? He forms a dead.
In company with the Grateful Dead musicians and goes on tour
with them. Yeah, I wrote in my notes, this
is never-ending, John Katie Racine together being cozy at
Allison Williams wedding. Would you talk about earlier and
then in December on the holidays, they were seen
together but it's really unclear, I think, at this point
if they're like actually together.
Yeah, sometimes you have that. Yeah the next there's that
blurry line. There.
Wasn't that much information about them during this time.
So yeah, holidays together. Then in January, she's seen with
Orlando Bloom a couple times. Okay, in groups at events, did
you start to move on to Orlando at the Golden Globes?
She's talking really closely to Orlando and whispering in his
ear and stuff and, and pictures. And some people thought she was
still with John Mayer at this time, but it seems like by
February she's officially Orlando Bloom.
So, I'm wondering if maybe like her and John were still hanging
out, but there were a lot of lines about like, Her being with
Orlando Bloom, but like still seeing John Mayer every once in
a while, which, like, I feel like, right?
They just have that like, magnetic pole.
So I'm sure that before things were like, really firmed up with
Orlando because they're, they're married now, aren't they?
Yep. Yeah, so, I could imagine the
baby, Bailey's have a baby together.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, maybe she just, she still had feelings for John, but
then it's like, okay, there's this new guy.
Yeah, and also get like when you're deciding between, isn't
this like, such a classic like rom-com Trope, you're deciding
between like the new promising guy or the old guy who likes
says that he's changed and I feel like it's a you know it's
always like such a hard decision.
It's made a lot easier. When you've broken up with the
old guy for different times, you know, like, oh my God, come on,
go for her land. Oh yeah.
Yep. So it seems like her and John
for the fifth and final time are over Damn.
Well, this relationship was a lot more magnetic, you know,
back and forth over again over again then I would have thought
for some reason. I just thought in my head like
okay, they dated for a year, they made that song together and
then I know that's what I thought me see, that's the first
time I heard of them as a couple was with that song.
I know, who knows? Maybe if Taylor Swift, didn't
write Dear John her and him could have gone back and forth
like a ping-pong match as know. Like maybe that's just his
style. Because then you say that with
Jessica Simpson they broke up like nine times or something.
I think so. Yeah.
Oh my God. I want someone to like do their
birth charts unlike compare them because they, it seems like they
both have that have. It wasn't there.
A blind item recently that John Mayer was going to be on the
speak now? Rerecord.
Oh my God. That see that.
How much would that break the internet though if he's the one
playing guitar and Dear John funny she Single.
Oh my God it's looking to settle down.
Yeah, then for the last nine years.
Wait, why would I way? I know.
I would too. There'd be no way to explain
that though. He wouldn't be able to handle
her being a bigger star than him.
Although I will say like I have a episode that I've done
research for. I'm just waiting for speak now
to re-release because I think we talked about this when we first
met, but like the quotes John Mayer has said about Taylor
Swift. There's like this.
Six minute long YouTube video. That gathers a compilation of
all of his quotes and Katy Perry is right.
He is a poet. Like he says the most beautiful
things about Taylor Swift. It's the way every woman wants
to be complimented and it's a little bit weird because it
keeps comparing here to a child, but like that.
Childlike energy is like a nice compliment and he really knows
how to like say, say, nice words about someone.
Well, yeah, I guess she's with Orlando now.
So it seems like it's over. He's probably just lighten it up
with someone right now but kind of trying to get married.
Yeah. Have I do have more but I know
we're at an hour. So yeah.
Do you want to do like the most fun Factor?
Like craziest thing that happened post-relationship?
Yeah, okay, here's one. I know I know what I'm going to
say. Maybe, maybe you've heard of it.
It's not really related to Katy Perry but John did this
Instagram so the he hosted himself.
Called current mood, right? And he had Cassie David on it.
The oh, there was a blind about them, didn't they?
Well, there was a blind that like he was hitting on her and
she thought he was, like, a gross old man, but she's like
still kept texting him or something.
Oh, so she was on his little show and she asked him, she's
gonna ask him, a bunch of rapid-fire questions.
And she said blink, if you've slept with 800 people or
something And he looked at the camera and he didn't blink and
he's laughing. He's like you can't believe
you'd ask me out. And then she says, blank if
you've slept blink twice, if you've slept with more than 500
people and he doesn't blink and he goes, he's like I can't
believe you would say that I'm in the sub, 500 reigned by the
way or whatever. And then that yeah he said that
and then there's all these headlines saying Tom Harry,
slept with 500 women or something.
So then the next week he goes I just want to clarify, you know,
I said I was in the sub. Hundred, you know, I've thought
about it this past week, I've gone over my dating history and
my number is six, maybe of like girls that he like, I don't
know, like shat on or something. His number is definitely way
more than six and I will say to like, also, the rumors of like,
the men that he's hooked up with as well.
What I mean? I'm not as though it's
interesting. You say that because I noticed
when she was asking that they kept saying people yeah yeah
it's like it's like when your boyfriend's like oh I got like
lunch with a person and he ordered this you're like okay so
it was a girl. It wasn't you know what did you
read about that? Well I hear that and him and
Andy Cohen have fucked up and then I heard that like over
covid him Shawn Mendes and Camila Cabello were having
threesomes. Oh Oh wow.
And he would like someone's hook up with Shawn Mendes.
Allegedly is what I read online, 6 number.
And he also goes. You knew about five, you knew
about fun. So maybe just meant dated.
Yeah, problem. I mean, like I could, I feel
like if I reached out in my DMs and on Tick, Tock, I could find
at least 17, you know, listeners who have slept with him, so like
that. Random person who has slept with
him. And he said, six, you like a
piece of the pie hole size. I'm one of the six true.
If it really was six, I would be pretty pissed.
If I was John Mayer, that people have like, oh yeah, it's a
beauty. There's no way that there's no
600. Yeah, because he even like, have
these cuz back in the day, like, in Rolling Stone.
He said things like blowing me off is the new sucking me off.
Off has he son was 6. Maybe like people like his
number that he claims is six like that's his number that he
wanted. No, he's definitely.
He's just got to be lying through his teeth.
Like maybe six in the past week. Like, this man has slept with so
many people. What was his tone like, was he
smiling when he said it? No, he wasn't smiling.
Yeah, that is kind of gaslighting Me.
Maybe remember on Degrassi. I don't know if you watch
together. Oh yeah, spinner became a virgin
again. Oh, maybe he did that and then
slept with six women since then, okay.
So technically correct, yeah, you wouldn't have to think about
it. If your number was six, I feel
like you were just, you know. Yeah, exactly.
He spent the week thinking about it, he's gone.
Yeah. Well, he's yeah, he's written a
lot of songs. Since then it seemed like
they're about Katy Perry. Like I still feel like your man
and moving on and getting over people think it's about him
about her. So yeah I like that I got to
admit like I'm about to blast like Katie and John playlist
like tonight in my apartment and just listen and think about it
because their relationships more intriguing than I thought.
Yeah we usually say like chances people will get back together.
Dude, could we say chances that like they'll hook up again?
Okay. Yeah.
That might be more 50. I would say.
Oh yeah, and I hope I get to like watch it because I'm sure
they have some big bombs sex the way that they keep getting back
together. Oh my God. 50% as for getting
back together it seems really minuscule.
Maybe like one person. Yeah, chance.
I don't know. Let me hire.
I think what she. She married now.
Yeah but if that didn't work out.
Maybe like and maybe, tell ya, it's not impossible, probably
higher than most couples who talked about, mmm.
That's John Katie. Yeah, well, thank you guys for
having me on like I did not that I knew stuff about them but I
didn't. And every time I ride a bowl I'm
going to think of their love and how I kind of endured Thank you
so much for joining us. Thanks for having me on.