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Are you lonesome tonight? 
Do you miss me tonight? 

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Are you sorry? 
Hi guys, welcome to Significant 

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Lovers. 
I'm Mel. 

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I'm. 
Kel. 

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And I'm Caitlin, and in case you
didn't know, this is a true love

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podcast, not a true crime 
podcast, a true love podcast, 

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but sometimes crimes do come up.
So there's that. 

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True. 
Will there be some today? 

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Maybe. 
And we're cousins. 

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Always got a let the new people 
know that if this is your first 

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time joining for Ellen and 
Portia, welcome. 

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We have over 100 other couples 
you can or episodes you can 

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listen to as well about all 
different types of couples. 

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So yeah, this is a a big 
relationship. 

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I mean, this, these two have 
been together for a long time, 

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so there's a lot to say. 
So I feel like we should maybe 

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get into it. 
Do we have any new patrons to 

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thank? 
We do, we have new patrons that 

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recently signed up. 
Wanna say thanks to Faye, 

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Freddy, Aisha and Karen. 
Thank you. 

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Thank you guys. 
Thank you. 

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Thank you. 
My Siboku. 

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Before we get into the episodes,
do we have are we doing our 

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trivia segment? 
Yes. 

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Yes. 
So this is our favorite segment,

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new segment of significant 
Lovers where we do trivia about 

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past couples we've covered from 
our Hall of Flames. 

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So Mel and Kate are going to 
compete. 

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I have 3 questions and this time
I will say they're all from 

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couples that I have covered. 
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do Mel's as well, but maybe this
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Caitlins. 
Caitlin. 

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Yeah. 
Ohh yeah, yeah. 

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I need to redeem myself I feel 
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Kate wait, Caitlin, how many 
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belt so far, 5. 4. 
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Louis. 
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Then OK, yeah, Dad, our dad was 
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Caitlin do a lot of episodes 
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her to work. 
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amount, we switch off. 
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us. 
I don't know. 

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I guess he's only listened to 
yours or? 

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Something I think, 'cause it 
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again. 
So it was like recency, you 

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know, like in his head was 
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Yeah, I never know what to say 
when people are like, So what 

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are you working on now for the 
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Do I say the next episode to 
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we're currently recording 'cause
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advance. 
We do, Yeah. 

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So if anything crazy happens 
with Ellen and Portia after 

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this, we're recording January 
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We just didn't know. 
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We simply didn't know. 
OK, but now for the trivia. 

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First question. 
Who said this? 

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His wish was that we could stay 
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But of course, we both knew that
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And that's what's so very 
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relationship. 
Blank. 

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And I knew he had commitments, 
promises to keep, and he vowed 

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to keep his word. 
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Who said that? 
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Said that and Margaret. 
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That makes sense. 
Good job, Mel. 

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OH. 
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Sense I don't know if these are 
too easy maybe. 

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No, no. 
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Well, Oh well. 
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Next question. 
Who was proposed to and said 

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yes, but then called it off the 
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Oh, oh, Jane Austen. 
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Wow. 
That was good, Kate. 

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Good job, Kate. 
OK, we're tied. 

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Oh my gosh, last question, 
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that they didn't know their 
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read about it in an article. 
Samantha Ronson. 

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No. 
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It. 
Was over. 

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It sounds so familiar. 
I think it could be so many 

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people though at the same time, 
you know? 

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I know. 
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Yes. 
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Yeah, which? 
Is Lana Del Rey. 

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That at. 
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Lana Del Rey's ex-boyfriend. 
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new relationship or something? 
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and she said that they weren't 
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He. 
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That's awful, all right, it's. 
Like he hadn't heard from her in

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a couple days and what? 
Like what was going through his 

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mind? 
We need to read I don't know 

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episode. 
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of what happened, but Mel wins. 
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I wonder. 
I wonder how many each we've 

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won. 
I don't know. 

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I haven't been. 
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least amount. 
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are at an unfair advantage 
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All. 
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conversations that Kelly and I 
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Yeah. 
You've been a listener, but 

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yeah, it might be harder. 
To remember. 

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It is like more than listening 
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Like I remember where we were 
when we talked about these 

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things. 
You know what I mean? 

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Like I yeah, exactly. 
That's true. 

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I conversations. 
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So. 
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That surprised me. 
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good, but you actually were 
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there. 
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although I did so poorly at 
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was wicked hard. 
It was good, but hard. 

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I know that was fun. 
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Thanks guys. 
If you guys. 

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Haven't heard it. 
It was fun, yeah. 

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Check it out. 
So, Kel, what are three words 

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that you would use to describe 
Portia and Ellen? 

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3 words, Yeah, I was thinking 
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Three words I would used to 
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It's always tough to summarize 
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would say committed, supportive,
nice, romantic. 

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Oh. 
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Know I I I had to say those yeah
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stood out the most to me I. 
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couples that are still together,
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intricacies of their 
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say like very. 
True, it's. 

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Abusive or whatever. 
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Still. 
Together, you know, like that's.

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True, yeah. 
It must be a good relationship 

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if they're still going strong 
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whatever you know. 
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relationships when they end. 
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I feel like sometimes, I'm sure 
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Sometimes when I'm researching a
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breakup, but then there's like 
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information that comes out after
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Like that's hard talking about 
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say about Ellen and Portia. 
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who they are, I think most 
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I mean, she even just goes by 
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But Ellen DeGeneres is a 
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known for playing Dory and 
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And Portia De Rossi is an 
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But both of them are retired 
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living their retired life. 
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And we've gotten a lot of 
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Portia. 
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voice message actually 
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And it was our listener, Gerald,
who sent it in 2023. 

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So it was a while ago. 
And I want to play Gerald's 

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message because we're finally 
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Hello significant lovers, My 
name is Jeriel and I'm a big fan

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of your podcast. 
I would love to nominate Miss 

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Ellen DeGeneres and Portia De 
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podcast. 
I think it'd be so fun, 

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especially with Ellen's 
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So we're we're finally doing it.
Thanks Jeriel for the message. 

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Yeah, I'm interested in this 
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I was saying to my dad, like, 
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mystery, and he was a not if you
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if. 
He loves. 

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Arrested Development so. 
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this a week or so ago, 'cause I 
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knew nothing about Portia, never
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I didn't even know she was an 
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Honestly, I thought she was just
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mentioned that she was on Ally 
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think dad mentioned that she was
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over my head. 
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somehow, Yeah. 
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wears wasn't such a star, but I 
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She became introduced to me as 
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Too she. 
Definitely kind of took a back 

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seat to Ellen's stardom. 
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I mean, yeah, it's kind of like 
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everybody watches the shows. 
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don't know who like Chase 
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don't. 
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Mischa Barton or I don't know, 
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Like. 
It's T VS weird that way. 

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So I think in the 90s she was 
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But yeah, cause a lot more 
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back then, but now there's just 
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impossible for everybody to 
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Yeah, more. 
Options. 

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So let's get into it. 
Who is Ellen? 

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I'm gonna start with Ellen 
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I mean, I feel like Ellen has 
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already 'cause she just comes up
in so many clips that we share. 

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I mean, we've talked about her 
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And I guess I'll just say it now
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Yeah, I know she's had a big 
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And as we'll see as we get into 
her life story, that's not the 

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first time she's been cancelled 
in her career, but for very 

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different reasons. 
I'm. 

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Not like pro or anti Ellen. 
I don't think she's she was 

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totally deserving of 
cancellation. 

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Like I don't think she did 
anything too too bad 

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comparatively. 
I do think she kind of has an 

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annoying personality and I. 
But see, OK, well, we're gonna 

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get. 
That's pretty much like. 

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The end of the episode, yeah, 
explain the whole thing. 

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But because it happened very 
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But I have a suspicion that a 
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cancel Ellen bandwagon because 
they just found her kind of 

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annoying. 
Yeah, which isn't. 

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Isn't a good reason to like ruin
someone's career, but. 

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Yeah. 
I mean, yeah, I'm ready to get 

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into that whenever it's time in 
this episode because I have a 

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lot of thoughts on it so. 
Yeah. 

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Good. 
But this is a safe space. 

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This is a safe space to say if, 
like you know, you are 

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sympathetic to Ellen, if. 
You love Ellen if you. 

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Hate you hate Ellen, this is. 
A podcast for you to. 

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Say that about Twilight if you 
love Ellen, if you you know this

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is the podcast from. 
You, yeah. 

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So also, in case anyone doesn't 
know what Ellen looks like, I 

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don't know how you wouldn't 
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She's blonde. 
She has big crystal blue eyes, 

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very blue eyes. 
You still have more shoulder 

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length hair in the 90s and 80s, 
but in recent years she's worn 

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it cropped very short and I'd 
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casually. 
Ellen Lee DeGeneres Lee is her 

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middle name, was born January 
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her mother was a speech 
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insurance agent and she has an 
older brother named Vance and I 

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think they were Vance. 
Oh, OK. 

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He thinks more. 
Son, I thought it was dance. 

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No advance to enunciate better. 
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Scientist, which is a branch of 
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healing through prayer and 
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live in the material world but 
we are spiritual beings and like

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our material selves don't really
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And she's talked about this like
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She's pretty open about it but 
sounded like a kind of difficult

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childhood. 
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parents and brother but it 
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hardships and it went on to 
become a lot more difficult. 

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Actually, her parents divorced 
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her mother remarried she was 
moved to Atlanta, TX and her 

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brother Vance actually stayed in
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So they were split up and then 
it actually gets really dark. 

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Just a warning, I did not expect
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Like, I mean, you think of Ellen
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wholesome all the time. 
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living in Texas with her mom and
stepdad, her stepfather molested

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her a couple times. 
Her mother had breast cancer, 

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and her stepdad kind of, like, 
pretended that he needed to 

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check Ellen for lumps in her 
breasts. 

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And he did that, like, a couple 
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And I think, you know, tried to 
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And she, like, ran out the 
window and just sounded really 

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traumatic. 
I feel really bad for young 

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Ellen. 
And sadly, her mother did not 

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believe her when she told her 
this story. 

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And her mom stayed married to 
this man for 18 more years until

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she finally, finally started to 
believe Ellen 18 years later 

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because I guess he, like, had 
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or something. 
And yeah, so poor Ellen. 

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But after high school, she 
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I feel like that's, you know, 
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And she studied at the 
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Where she Or at New Orleans. 
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New Orleans, but it's actually 
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communications. 
But she left only, she left 

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after only one semester to do 
work for her cousin at a law 

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firm. 
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other odd jobs. 
She was just doing random things

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like working at JC Penney and TJ
Fridays. 

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She was a house painter. 
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When she started getting into 
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happened. 
I think she was at a show of her

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friends or something and they 
may be asked and if if anyone 

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wanted to get up, it might have 
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thing. 
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did it and she enjoyed it. 
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too. 
So it's just kind of something 

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that she fell into in 1980. 
OK, this is getting sad again. 

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Ellen lost her girlfriend named 
Kat Perkov. 

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When Ellen was 22 years old. 
Her girlfriend died in a car 

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crash. 
Like, wait, sorry, romantic 

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girlfriend or friend? 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, romantic girlfriend. 
Mm Hmm. 

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Yeah. 
Apparently Ellen was was driving

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down the road and she actually 
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side of the road. 
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it was or I don't, I don't know 
why. 

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I don't know why she didn't know
What Car she was in, but she saw

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the cops were there and she 
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that's sad. 
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didn't realize that that was her
girlfriend that had just died in

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a car accident. 
I know. 

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It's so sad. 
And so, like, her life was 

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turned upside down. 
She was really distraught. 

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But it led to her writing her 
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called Phone Call to God. 
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God to ask like, why this person
died when fleas are still around

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and she gets placed on hold. 
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into this like, whole comedic 
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humor. 
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around comedy clubs in New 
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And she actually, she ended up 
winning through this routine 

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phone call to God. 
And she was named the funniest 

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person in America from it. 
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But she said that actually went 
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like, after that she would 
perform and they would advertise

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her as like the funniest person 
in America. 

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Yeah, you know, she, she was 
like, I wasn't. 

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So people would get really mad. 
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And she really only had this one
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It seems like it just got her to
win that contest. 

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And then it went up from there. 
Her brother actually got a small

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part on SNL, really small. 
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Mr. Bill sketch, and only his 
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It was like kind of like in 
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like, a hand, like bring in a 
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little animated routine with 
hands in it. 

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Yeah. 
So I wouldn't say she got, like,

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connections from her brother 
because all he did was use his 

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hands. 
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through him. 
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So after her winning the 
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America, she started acting on 
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and early 90s. 
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movie Coneheads. 
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films that played at Disney 
World at Epcot called Ellen's 

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Energy Adventure. 
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and Jamie Lee Curtis and some 
other people I did not know. 

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That seems like such a thing, 
you know, that you would go to 

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like just this random, yeah, 4D 
experience or something. 

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Yeah, that's what I was 
thinking. 

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Yeah. 
Actually, adventure. 

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I find Ellen's young stand up 
comedy routines so funny. 

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Like it's really, it is kind of 
hard to not like her when you 

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watch her comedy when she was 
young. 

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It's just I've. 
Actually never watched or 

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listened. 
I feel like I should. 

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I was watching, I was listening 
to some of her comedy leading up

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to this and it was making me 
laugh. 

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I have to admit, I was laughing 
out loud. 

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Yeah, I find her so charming. 
I mean, especially back then. 

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Like, her voice is a little 
different, too. 

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She had a different accent. 
So then in 1998, Ellen was cast 

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in the ABC show called These 
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actually renamed Ellen after 
Season 1. 

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So that's that's her sitcom 
Ellen. 

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And they did the thing that they
always do on Disney Channel and 

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such where her character was 
named Ellen, you know, weird, 

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like fictional version. 
I mean, it's not her. 

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It was Ellen Morgan. 
I don't know why they always do 

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that. 
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And I mean even on Seinfeld too.
It's his first. 

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And yeah. 
True, but it's like a totally 

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fake world that they're living 
in. 

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I don't know, The Ellen Show was
really popular and it reached 

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his height of popularity in 
1987. 

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April 1997 when Ellen came out 
as a lesbian on The Oprah 

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Winfrey Show. 
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also came out of the closet to 
her therapist, played by Oprah 

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Winfrey. 
So he was, like, both in fiction

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and in real life. 
And they had planned to make her

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character, Ellen, come out on 
the show, but that was leaked 

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before the episode aired, I 
think a couple of months before.

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So then Ellen kind of had to 
like, come out in real life too.

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I think she was planning to 
anyway, but I think it was 

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originally planned for the show 
to come out and then she'll come

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out. 
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reverse. 
I kind of have a question that I

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don't know if you know the 
answer to. 

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So she said she had a girlfriend
before and I don't know if she 

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was out then. 
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popular, she went back into the 
closet and then she was coming 

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coming out again or what? 
Was there anything about 

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starting her career and being 
more secretive about being gay? 

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Probably I I know she said that 
in high school. 

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She wasn't out, but she would 
like secretly, you know, make 

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out with her friend, but she 
would have like a boyfriend at 

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the same time. 
And when her girlfriend died, 

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that was after high school. 
I'm not totally sure how much 

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people knew. 
Possibly people knew, but I 

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think as she started pursuing 
acting, I don't think people 

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knew. 
I think. 

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I think. 
It was kind of a secret. 

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Yeah, I'm sure some people did. 
But in general, the public did 

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not think Ellen was gay. 
So it was a big deal. 

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Yeah. 
People were shocked. 

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And she also had a Time magazine
cover where the caption said, 

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Yep, I'm gay. 
I've seen this Now Pretty Now 

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Pretty Famous and the episode 
that she came out of on the 

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Ellen show is called the puppy 
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share a clip with it of it with 
you guys because this actually 

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was a huge deal. 
I mean, people say this is like 

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the first celebrity to come out.
I mean, and this was on the TV 

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show. 
I don't know if that's totally 

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true, but maybe I mean, maybe I 
don't know. 

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I think she was the first to 
just say like, yes, I'm gay, you

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know what I mean? 
Without it being rumors or like 

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other people saying it, to 
proudly announce it. 

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So yeah, that's the other clip I
have for you guys. 

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It's just a it's a short clip 
from the show just so you can 

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see it. 
This is this is so hard. 

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But I, I, I, I, I think I've 
realized that I am. 

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I can't even say the word. 
Why can't I say the word? 

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I mean, why can't I just say, I 
mean, what is wrong? 

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That why, why do I have to be so
ashamed? 

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I mean, why can't I just say the
truth? 

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I mean, be who I am. 
I'm 35 years old. 

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I'm so afraid to tell people. 
I mean, I just, Susan, I'm gay. 

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Funny that Laura Dern's there. 
I don't know if she was just 

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like in the show or what. 
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actually played her love 
interest, I think after this 

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episode, yeah. 
That's cute. 

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Yeah. 
Well, I think there were gay 

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characters, but they're usually 
probably like background because

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in by this point they were 
friends with Ross's ex-wife who 

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was gay and her partner, but she
they weren't a friend group or 

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anything. 
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first lead character or 
whatever. 

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You know, yeah, that's true. 
My so-called life had a kid that

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was gay, but he was, yeah, kind 
of a side character. 

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So I think you're right. 
I think. 

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I mean, the titular character, 
Ellen, was coming out as gay. 

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So it was a big deal. 
Even though some people were 

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really happy about this and 
excited, there was a ton of 

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backlash that we probably can't 
even imagine today. 

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Like sponsors started pulling 
ads from the show, including JC 

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Penney, where she used to work, 
and there were all these debates

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and articles. 
It was like on TV, people were 

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saying she should have kept it 
to herself and that she was like

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an affront to decency and all 
this stuff. 

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It was like a nationwide 
discussion. 

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ABC did renew another season, a 
fifth season of Ellen, but they 

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stopped advertising it entirely 
and it just started having 

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failing ratings and then was 
cancelled. 

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Dang. 
And Ellen has said that she felt

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very bitter after her show was 
cancelled and that she did 

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literally nothing for three 
years after that. 

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And apparently Laura Dern 
because Laura played like her 

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romantic interest. 
Apparently, she also struggled 

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to get work after this because 
people saw her like as a lesbian

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even though she wasn't, but 
because she had played Ellen's 

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girlfriend. 
So it was really, really rough 

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for Ellen. 
She was even like struggling 

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financially, I guess because she
had no work anymore. 

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And then around this time, after
the Ellen show, she started 

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dating the actress in Hesh who 
we recently mentioned dated 

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Lindsey Buckingham from 
Fleetwood Mac and they dated 

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until 2000. 
And then Ellen dated the 

458
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,560
photographer Alexandra Henderson
for four years. 

459
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,080
So she she is out now. 
And I think people know and 

460
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,960
people knew she was dating Anne 
and such. 

461
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:55,000
And so we're now about around at
2001 and I'm going to stop with 

462
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,240
Ellen for now. 
But to wrap up Ellen's 

463
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:03,040
personality, I would say I think
Ellen's hard to figure out a 

464
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,760
little bit even it, which is 
weird because there's like 

465
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,040
millions of videos of her. 
She's been on this daytime show,

466
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,360
but who she really is is kind of
hard to figure out. 

467
00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:16,400
She's obviously funny. 
I think she's very observant and

468
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:22,000
self aware but she's sort of 
grumpy in like AI hate people 

469
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:27,320
way but she but she does seem to
also like love the people in her

470
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,240
life and her friends very 
deeply. 

471
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,640
Seems a little bit like a people
pleaser even though she is also 

472
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,760
very grumpy sometimes. 
I, I don't know, I feel like 

473
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,920
I've met people this way where 
like, they are very disappointed

474
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,840
by people and the world, but 
they also do care a lot about, 

475
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,720
like, World Peace and such. 
And I feel like she is kind of 

476
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,080
like that, maybe kind of like 
John Lennon in a way. 

477
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,600
I think she does seem easy to 
talk to and friendly, but can be

478
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,640
a little bit uptight about 
specific things and is very 

479
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,680
ambitious and sort of a 
workaholic. 

480
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,480
Interesting person. 
Yeah. 

481
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,040
OK, So then who is Portia De 
Rossi? 

482
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,400
I've got no. 
Clue. 

483
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,720
I know it was really fun to 
learn about Portia because I 

484
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,200
didn't know anything about her. 
She's an Australian, American 

485
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:23,640
actress and model. 
Oh, OK. 

486
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:25,840
Yeah, she's Australian. 
Wow. 

487
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,240
To describe what she looks like,
in case you guys don't know, 

488
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,040
she's also blonde. 
She in the 90s. 

489
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,480
It's gonna sound weird, but I 
felt like she had a mermaid look

490
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,360
to her. 
She had like wide, thin 

491
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:41,800
eyebrows, sort of angled eyes, 
long WAVY hair. 

492
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,120
She used to do like the crimped 
thing. 

493
00:27:44,120 --> 00:27:46,760
And I don't know, she she looks 
like a mermaid to me. 

494
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,520
And I don't know why I wrote 
about her personality at this 

495
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:55,080
point, but I would say that she 
is seems very sweet, sort of 

496
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,280
tomboyish, but girly too. 
She loves horses. 

497
00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:01,040
I would say that she's obviously
very beautiful, but seems to 

498
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,720
have sort of low self esteem. 
Interesting. 

499
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,760
But likes to connect with 
people. 

500
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,360
Was she? 
That's OK that I said that, 

501
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:11,920
Portia. 
Easier to nail down than Ellen? 

502
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,080
Or was she also slightly more of
a mystery? 

503
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:18,000
I'd. 
Say easier in a way, less I'd 

504
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,400
say, like less contradictions, 
but obviously we don't really 

505
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,680
know these people, but this is 
just from observing them. 

506
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,920
So a bit about her background, 
Portia was actually born Amanda 

507
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,600
Lee Rogers. 
Oh, they have the same middle 

508
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:34,080
name. 
Oh. 

509
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,840
Yeah, that's so weird. 
They had the same middle name. 

510
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,440
What the heck? 
I have a comment middle. 

511
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,280
Name though if Portia changed 
her last name, which I don't 

512
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,680
know if she did, or either way 
around, then they would have the

513
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:54,320
same middle and last name. 
That's kind of crazy. 

514
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,520
Well. 
Yeah, so when she was Amanda 

515
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:02,080
Rogers, she grew up in Geelong, 
Victoria, Australia. 

516
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,320
And yeah, she's not Italian at 
all. 

517
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:12,240
That is a name that she adopted 
just on her own stage name. 

518
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:13,720
Well, it's more than a stage 
name. 

519
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,520
Like, she legally changed it to 
that. 

520
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,680
So I'll get into that in a bit. 
But yeah. 

521
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,400
So she grew up in Australia. 
Her parents were Barry Rogers 

522
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,040
and Margaret Rogers. 
She also had has an older 

523
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,440
brother, just like Ellen. 
When Portia was 9, her father 

524
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:33,880
sadly died, which is really sad.
That's not enough time with your

525
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,800
father. 
And her mom was struggling to 

526
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,320
provide for Portia and her 
brother, so she began working as

527
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,720
a model and an actress in 
commercials around age 11. 

528
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:49,600
And I do think this exposure to 
modeling and competing for jobs 

529
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,160
and fashion shows at such a 
young age, I think it made 

530
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,680
Portia kind of hyper fixated on 
looks and appearances. 

531
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,240
And I'm gathering this from her 
book that she wrote called 

532
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,000
Unbearable Lightness. 
I mean, she basically said it 

533
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,080
herself. 
I'm not just making this up. 

534
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,080
She started to become very 
fixated on that. 

535
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,160
And when she was 15, she decided
to change her name to Portia De 

536
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,800
Rossi. 
I read she said it was to get a 

537
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,560
job as a Hostess with a fake 
name, but then she just kind of 

538
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,480
kept that name. 
Interesting for acting. 

539
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,200
I don't know, but why would you?
Think it Portia De Rossi. 

540
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,840
Why would you need that for a 
Hostess job? 

541
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,640
I don't. 
I don't. 

542
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,000
Well, I think. 
She I think, was she underage or

543
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,040
something? 
Maybe. 

544
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,760
And I think she just had a fake 
name for that job, and then she 

545
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:42,520
decided to actually change her 
name to that fake name to also 

546
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,920
reinvent herself as an actress. 
And she got Portia from the 

547
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,120
Shakespeare play The Merchant of
Venice. 

548
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,320
And De Rossi she just saw on a 
movie's credits and thought it 

549
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:54,960
sounded cool. 
So. 

550
00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:01,160
It does it's it's a nice name. 
Yeah, so she started acting and 

551
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,440
modeling some more, and then she
attended the University of 

552
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,840
Melbourne, as they call it, 
where she studied law. 

553
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,400
But I don't think she finished. 
She left school to pursue 

554
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,960
acting. 
Her first big role was in 1994 

555
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,160
in the Australian movie Sirens, 
which also stars Hugh Grant and 

556
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,640
Sam Neil. 
And I kind of want to watch it, 

557
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:26,080
but I haven't seen it yet. 
And then she moved to America 

558
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:32,640
to, you know, pursue Hollywood. 
And strangely, Portia has just 

559
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,800
seemingly completely dropped her
Australian accent since moving 

560
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,520
to America. 
And you will see interviews with

561
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,280
her later in this episode. 
She sounds completely American. 

562
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:49,200
You can slightly hear it when 
she says the word anything, but 

563
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,600
other than that, she just speaks
with an American accent. 

564
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,680
And it kind of weirds me out 
like that she was able to, I 

565
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,240
don't know, change her name and 
just totally change her accent 

566
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,240
and she just like became a new 
person. 

567
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,920
I I think some. 
People are more susceptible to 

568
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,920
that than others. 
Like I know, Caitlin, you've 

569
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,720
been around people and then 
start mimicking their accent. 

570
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,440
But I, I find that I even do 
too. 

571
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,720
Like if I'm around people that 
have like a southern accent, I 

572
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,440
find I start, I do start saying 
things kind of in their accent 

573
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:19,960
and I'm like, I sound ridiculous
right now. 

574
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,600
I and even like when we've been 
in Ireland before around our 

575
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,680
cousins in Northern Ireland, I 
towards the end of the trip was 

576
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,840
like thinking in their accent. 
So I could easily see that 

577
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,000
happening myself if I move 
somewhere and. 

578
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,920
That's only after a week. 
If you're there for years upon 

579
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,600
years or whatever, I guess you 
could see how your mouth almost 

580
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,720
starts changing and the way you 
move your tongue and how your 

581
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,800
jaw is. 
You just somehow maybe start 

582
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,400
adapting it that way, especially
if as an actor, she started 

583
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,080
playing American roles with 
American accents. 

584
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,880
And maybe it just stuck that 
way. 

585
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,080
Yeah, you. 
Know yeah, she did she did say 

586
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:05,640
it was on purpose because, yeah,
she wanted to just land roles 

587
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,120
and be seen as American. 
But yeah, yeah, I, I, I do think

588
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,440
people, yeah. 
Might I hear what you guys are 

589
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,680
saying? 
But usually when you're not a 

590
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,080
child, you don't totally lose 
your accent. 

591
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,920
But she just she seriously 
doesn't have an Australian 

592
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,560
accent anymore. 
But whatever, I always. 

593
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,600
Just do stuff because because 
Harry Styles apparently lives in

594
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,400
the USA lot. 
He still goes to London and 

595
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,080
abroad and whatnot, But every 
time there's a new interview 

596
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,720
with him, all of his fans are 
like, he's losing his accent. 

597
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,560
He's sounding more and more 
American. 

598
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,280
So yeah. 
Yeah, I know he still. 

599
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,880
Kind of has an English accent. 
Yeah, I know it's, it's funny 

600
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,800
because it's like it's a little 
bit more accepted when people 

601
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,560
lose their British accent or 
their Australian accent for an 

602
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,320
American one. 
But when an American moves to 

603
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,120
England like Madonna. 
Oh, and. 

604
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,200
Fix it and start. 
Speaking, yes, we're speaking in

605
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,240
a British accent. 
People are like, girl, what are 

606
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:04,960
you doing? 
I. 

607
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,280
Know like but. 
That maybe be me. 

608
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,520
I really feel like I would 
easily develop an accent if I 

609
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,280
was around a lot of people that 
had one. 

610
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,920
Yeah. 
Me, because it's interesting. 

611
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,000
It's because I think a lot of 
Americans at least see the 

612
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,000
American accent's default. 
So when the other people start 

613
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,920
talking more American, it's 
about losing an accent. 

614
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,560
But if you start talking. 
British. 

615
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,920
It's almost. 
Like you're gaining an accent. 

616
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,280
Like nobody's saying like, oh, 
you're losing your American 

617
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,480
accent. 
Yeah so true. 

618
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,320
I also feel like the Australian 
accent, I might be wrong. 

619
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,960
I feel like it's not as strong 
as some other English speaking 

620
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,080
accents. 
From an American point of view, 

621
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:50,239
it is a little similar. 
OK, All right. 

622
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:51,920
I disagree with you guys, but 
whatever. 

623
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,679
I mean, I met this woman in 
London, and maybe it's just the 

624
00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:59,560
person, but she had lived there 
for like 20 years and she still 

625
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,440
had an American accent. 
So really. 

626
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,800
Yeah, I. 
Think it just buries person to 

627
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:05,720
person? 
Yeah. 

628
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,160
It's true and actually our our 
grandmother still had an Irish 

629
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,040
accent. 
Yeah, and she lived there for 

630
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,880
like 50 years or something. 40 
years, I don't know how long in 

631
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:15,760
the. 
United States. 

632
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,000
Yeah, She never. 
Got an American accent? 

633
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,760
Yeah, yeah, like almost 50 
years. 

634
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,760
I I like accents, I think 
they're cool though, so do you. 

635
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,240
Like your own accent? 
No. 

636
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,880
I I wish I had more of a 
distinct 1. 

637
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,320
I kind of wish I had more of 
like a Boston accent. 

638
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,720
I. 
Know or of course I wish I had 

639
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:42,640
an English accent, it really 
gets me down the. 

640
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:47,560
Cow and have a yard. 
Occasionally I say a few words 

641
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,800
with one. 
Yeah, I feel like we say. 

642
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,160
Words like hot dog or hot tub. 
Oh yeah. 

643
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,680
Oh, I say hot. 
I say yeah, it's. 

644
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,800
Really hot it. 
Was gonna be fun of that. 

645
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,160
Same with I say popcorn like 
pup. 

646
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,280
Oh. 
Yeah, Pup, Yeah. 

647
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,040
I. 
Say pup too. 

648
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,280
You know people. 
Make fun of people's accents 

649
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,080
though. 
It's like, let the people have 

650
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,760
their accents. 
Made. 

651
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,680
Fun of, especially when I say 
wicked always get made fun of, I

652
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:18,880
know. 
But don't. 

653
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,000
Don't ever stop. 
I know. 

654
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,040
Don't ever stop. 
OK, OK, we got our atomic back 

655
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,520
anyway, Portia. 
Back to Portia. 

656
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,800
Pasha. 
So she did an American movie 

657
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:35,360
called A Woman in the Moon, and 
there she met a man named Mel 

658
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,560
Metcalf. 
Mel. 

659
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,200
Yeah. 
Mel. 

660
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:41,720
Hello. 
I'm not sure what his role was 

661
00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:43,920
on this movie, but he's now a 
music producer. 

662
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,640
Before him she had had one fling
with a woman and she did think 

663
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:50,920
that she'd prefer to be with 
woman. 

664
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,480
But she did actually fall for 
Mel. 

665
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,600
And weird to say, I don't feel 
like I'm talking about you, Mel 

666
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,760
the guy, and was very attracted 
to him. 

667
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,200
But in the back of her mind, 
according to her book, she sort 

668
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,800
of thought she was a lesbian or 
bi. 

669
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,840
But she did like Mel and did 
want to be with him. 

670
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,320
And they got married. 
So yeah, she married this guy 

671
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,480
Mel. 
She was in the movie Scream too,

672
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,360
and then the movie girl. 
And then? 

673
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:26,000
Yes, and then in 1998 she made 
her big break as Nell Porter on 

674
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,200
the show Alan Mcbeal. 
She joined the main cast of the 

675
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,560
TV show. 
It was a very big show at the 

676
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,960
time she played. 
Someone watching it Mel on the 

677
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,040
show. 
Nell. 

678
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,320
Nell. 
Oh, Nell. 

679
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,440
OK. 
Yeah, yeah, I know. 

680
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,880
Sounds similar. 
She was very nervous about 

681
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,240
becoming famous from the show 
according to her book, and 

682
00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:50,680
especially nervous that people 
would find out that she was a 

683
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,240
lesbian even though she was 
married to a man. 

684
00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:56,120
So I'm not sure why she was 
nervous about that, but maybe 

685
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,400
she was nervous that her past 
would come out or something? 

686
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,280
I'm not sure. 
And she had heard about the 

687
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,800
Ellen DeGeneres Show being 
cancelled after she came out, 

688
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,800
and she actually read Ellen's 
mom's book, which was about 

689
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,560
having a gay daughter. 
Ellen's mom? 

690
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:13,960
Yeah. 
Ellen's mom had a book. 

691
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,320
Well, 'cause Ellen was like the 
lesbian in Hollywood, basically,

692
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,400
like the only one. 
Do you? 

693
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:24,560
Know if this was like a Jennifer
Aniston situation where Ellen 

694
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,200
was fine with her mom writing a 
book or. 

695
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:32,760
I don't know, but I've never 
read or heard of Ellen being 

696
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,240
upset about that, so I don't 
know. 

697
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,760
OK, sorry. 
I I think it was like, positive 

698
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,360
overall. 
I mean, it seems kind of weird 

699
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,880
to us now, but it was like, at 
first I struggled with my 

700
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,240
daughter being gay, but now I 
accept it. 

701
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:45,720
Yeah. 
That kind of thing. 

702
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,720
Yeah. 
Portia's time on Ally Mcbeal 

703
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:51,160
sounded kind of sad. 
It sounds like she didn't really

704
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,560
get close with anybody. 
I mean, she joined in Season 2, 

705
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,520
so I think, you know, they 
weren't that excited about there

706
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,640
being a new person, and they 
already had their routines 

707
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,000
established and everything. 
In her book, she told a story 

708
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,480
about asking a bunch of them to 
eat lunch together, but 

709
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,840
everybody turned her down and 
said that they just did their 

710
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,080
own thing at lunch. 
And she said at lunch she would 

711
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,240
hideaway somewhere feeling like 
an awkward schoolgirl, which is 

712
00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:20,840
really sad. 
And this is when Portia really 

713
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,760
struggled with a severe case of 
anorexia. 

714
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,960
Her memoir, Unbearable 
Lightness, the story of loss and

715
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,960
gain, is mostly about her 
struggles with an eating 

716
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,080
disorder. 
It's very dark and vulnerable 

717
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,160
and she talks a lot about like, 
hating herself and dealing with 

718
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,800
the thoughts she experienced 
when she was anxious about food 

719
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,240
and her weight. 
And she also talked about 

720
00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:44,200
feeling like she was very 
average and not good at anything

721
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,880
and was very critical of herself
in the book, even writing almost

722
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,480
matter of factly like that she 
wasn't good looking enough for 

723
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,560
roles and that her profile was 
ugly and her condition was 

724
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,880
getting worse and worse. 
I found honestly a lot of it 

725
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:01,240
really disturbing to read, but I
think it is. 

726
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,000
Nice that she shared that and 
really like I'm breaking in a 

727
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,440
way and people have talked about
it a lot in recent years, but 

728
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:12,160
certainly a lot of stars I think
deny that they have problems 

729
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,000
with like with problems and 
things like that. 

730
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,120
So it's pretty cool that she 
shared it, but. 

731
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,760
It is really. 
Dark though, yeah, yeah. 

732
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,920
Just a warning if you want to 
check that book out. 

733
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,840
Yeah, I've heard. 
That that book is like 

734
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,080
triggering for people who have 
eating disorders 'cause it's 

735
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,200
like. 
Yeah, she definitely shares, 

736
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,560
like, her methods of losing 
weight and such, so. 

737
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,560
But it's really sad. 
And she really bared it all. 

738
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,440
Like, you sense that she was 
really struggling during those 

739
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,480
Ellie Mcbeal years, and her 
marriage was not doing so well. 

740
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,560
At the same time, she apparently
was losing sexual attraction to 

741
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,480
her husband, and she started 
having feelings for her 

742
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,240
neighbor, a woman. 
And after three years of 

743
00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:58,840
marriage, her husband Mel left 
her and they divorced in 1999. 

744
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:05,440
But crazy enough, her husband 
left her for her brother's wife,

745
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,240
so her sister and so. 
My sister. 

746
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,880
Oh my God. 
But weirdly, Portia really 

747
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:17,000
didn't seem to care that much. 
Like in her book she just said 

748
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,480
it in like 1 sentence and you're
kind of like huh like what the 

749
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,520
hell my God. 
A couple a couple pages later 

750
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,400
she explains it more but she 
didn't really seem like that 

751
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:28,840
upset about it. 
Well, I. 

752
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,840
Didn't upset on the behalf of my
brother. 

753
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,880
I know that's. 
Mostly that's mostly what she 

754
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,400
said. 
She's like I felt so bad for my 

755
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:40,560
brother but like she didn't seem
sad that her husband was gone is

756
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,320
her. 
Husband and her brother's 

757
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,040
ex-wife still involved in the 
family? 

758
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,560
Or are they completely detached?
Like did the brother and the 

759
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,240
ex-wife have children and they 
still? 

760
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,000
I don't know. 
I don't. 

761
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,160
Know. 
That's kind of crazy, yeah. 

762
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,720
I know that Portia and Ellen 
have talked about being aunts, 

763
00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:04,480
but I don't know where those 
kids came from, so I don't know.

764
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,360
I'm sorry, I'm not sure. 
No, that's okay. 

765
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,000
But that'd be like, you would 
kind of hope you can just cut 

766
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,640
ties and not have to deal with 
that. 

767
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,360
But if there were children 
involved, you would just 

768
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:20,000
constantly have to see your exes
and you're your sister's ex or 

769
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,000
your brother's ex all the time. 
Yeah, I mean they were in laws 

770
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,640
themselves. 
Like I feel like that would be 

771
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,080
yeah crazy. 
Like someone that you saw all 

772
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,120
the time at like family events 
and stuff and then you get 

773
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,240
together that's mad. 
That crazy seat I. 

774
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,840
Know, but it's so funny how it 
was like on one page, like she 

775
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,880
really didn't dwell on it. 
So that makes me, that makes me 

776
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,080
think they did just cut ties 
because yeah, it didn't come up 

777
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,840
again on yeah. 
Not dwelling too much on it, 

778
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,360
yeah. 
I. 

779
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,480
Think they're just happy 
meeting, but that's just a wild 

780
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,520
footnote. 
Yeah. 

781
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,280
In your. 
Autobiography. 

782
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:02,160
I know after her divorce she 
actually said she had a beard, 

783
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,640
which if anyone doesn't know, 
not a literal. 

784
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:12,560
Beard. 
No, well I mean she had a fake 

785
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,200
straight relationship as like a 
cover up. 

786
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,960
So she admitted to that. 
Yeah, she said her and her 

787
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,600
friend Eric would go to award 
shows and premieres and such, 

788
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,480
and he would be her date. 
And they, like, pretended they 

789
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:25,880
were dating. 
Yeah. 

790
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,560
So she, as I said, was really 
struggling with her eating 

791
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,120
disorder, and it was starting to
get really bad. 

792
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,320
Like she was in physical pain 
and collapsing and was unable to

793
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,200
do things and movies and such. 
But then she started seeing a 

794
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,360
doctor and was essentially 
ordered to get better and began 

795
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,840
her slow journey to recovery. 
And as you're starting to 

796
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,040
recover, she decided that now 
might be a good time to come out

797
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,760
as a lesbian. 
But the reason is really sad, 

798
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,120
she said. 
I figured that I had completely 

799
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,360
ruined my career by being fat, 
so I might as well be gay. 

800
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,760
Also, I figured that if I ever 
worked again, it would be a 

801
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,880
character actress or playing the
best friend to the lead female. 

802
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,880
So if my homosexuality was 
rumoured around town, it 

803
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,400
wouldn't really do any further 
damage to the image I'd already 

804
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,800
created for myself by being fat.
But she was not fat at all. 

805
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,320
She was really like, so 
upsetting. 

806
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:15,920
Emanciated. 
Yeah. 

807
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,200
Yeah, So emaciated. 
Emaciated is the right word. 

808
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,440
And then she wrote that after 
911, she became terrified that 

809
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,720
she could die without ever 
really living her life and 

810
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:31,800
decided that she was ready to 
date a woman for real. 

811
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,080
And so for three years, she 
dated the director, Francesca 

812
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,760
Gregorini, who is actually Ringo
Starr's stepdaughter, randomly. 

813
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,600
I don't think a ton of people 
knew about this, but there were 

814
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,000
photos published of them 
together. 

815
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,360
It might have been that kind of 
thing where they were like, gal 

816
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:52,800
pal, like what's. 
Yeah. 

817
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,720
You know, which we've seen with 
people like Kristen Stewart, 

818
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,880
most of her family and Ally 
Mcbeal Co stars in the public 

819
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,800
didn't know that she was 
lesbian. 

820
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,680
But they slowly started to 
learn. 

821
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,760
And Portia said she was actually
grateful for the paparazzi 

822
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,960
pictures of her and Francesca 
because it finally pushed her 

823
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,680
out to stop hiding. 
OK, so now we're finally at when

824
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,560
they met the night. 
They met. 

825
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:28,280
It was 2001, Portia wrote. 
I met Ellen in 2001. 

826
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,280
I feel bad like I, I hope this 
isn't like triggering talking 

827
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,600
about like this eating disorder 
stuff, but it's it's like all 

828
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,160
throughout her book. 
But she wrote I met Ellen in 

829
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:42,360
2001 when I weighed 168 lbs. 
I don't know if it was that 

830
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,520
weight exactly, but I was heavy 
enough that the thought that she

831
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,040
might have found me attractive 
or that we could have been a 

832
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,520
couple never entered my mind. 
I remembered being so excited 

833
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,960
and overjoyed to be around her 
that I can still recall the 

834
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,120
feeling of running after her 
backstage at a concert we were 

835
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,280
both attending for Rock the 
Vote. 

836
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,560
So that's where they meant. 
I caught up to her, sat next to 

837
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,120
her at a table and bought her a 
drink. 

838
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,840
I remember what she wore, an 
orange knit sweater, white 

839
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,760
T-shirt, blue jeans, and white 
tennis shoes. 

840
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,320
I remember we talked about in a 
joke made as we and a joke she 

841
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,400
made as we were looking down at 
the mosh pit. 

842
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,400
I embarrassed myself by laughing
too much and too loudly at the 

843
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,240
joke, but I simply couldn't 
stop. 

844
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:21,600
I thought she was the most 
amazing person I'd ever met. 

845
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,600
She was highly intelligent, 
sharply observant and funny. 

846
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,160
She was so beautiful it seemed 
that light emanated from her 

847
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,760
bright blue eyes. 
I had the best night of my life.

848
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,800
I felt good about myself around 
her. 

849
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,360
I was excited and yet 
comfortable. 

850
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,520
At the end of the night, she 
invited me to come over her 

851
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:39,360
house with the group of friends 
she'd met with at the concert. 

852
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,640
I didn't go as we just met. 
I thought she was just inviting 

853
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,200
me to be polite and I was too 
shy, too fat and too insecure to

854
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:47,600
go to her house with her 
friends. 

855
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,960
I felt I had created the perfect
memory of being around her that 

856
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,280
night and I didn't want to ruin 
it. 

857
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,280
As it turns out, she had invited
those people over only so she 

858
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,800
would have the excuse of a party
to invite me over. 

859
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:04,480
That's so sad, but also so cute 
at the same time. 

860
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:10,320
Just the memory. 
Yeah, Portia. 

861
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:15,720
So that was in 2001 and actually
didn't reconnect again until 

862
00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:19,840
2004. 
Ellen was still in a 

863
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,840
relationship with Alexandra 
Hedderson during that first 

864
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,680
meeting with Portia that she 
wrote about. 

865
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,360
I know. 
I think. 

866
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:36,920
I know, I know, but whatever, 
like it, I don't know what 

867
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,680
nothing happened. 
I mean, I maybe there was a 

868
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:44,000
spark, but I don't know. 
So anyway, a few years go by 

869
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,200
without them seeing each other, 
or maybe they saw each other but

870
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,840
they didn't talk or anything. 
In 2001, Ellen returned to TV 

871
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,640
with a new sitcom called The 
Ellen Show, but it flopped and 

872
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:59,600
was cancelled after 13 episodes.
And then in 2003, she tried 

873
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,360
something new and she launched 
her talk show The Ellen 

874
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,480
DeGeneres Show, which we now 
know her from, and it was a hit.

875
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,280
She was known for dancing in the
audience and pulling pranks and 

876
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,520
making people laugh. 
And you know what? 

877
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,640
Well, first I was laughing 
because she had a show called 

878
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,440
Ellen and then a show called The
Ellen Show, and then she had a 

879
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:22,400
show called. 
The Ellen. 

880
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,000
DeGeneres Show. 
They. 

881
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:28,880
All sound the same, but then I. 
Was laughing because you were 

882
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,800
describing this and you're like,
she dances in the audience and 

883
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,280
I'm just picturing it and I 
don't know, She's like, we 

884
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:35,640
laugh. 
Yeah. 

885
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:43,440
That's Ellen in those years 
after they met. 

886
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:48,920
Meanwhile, Portia joined the 
show Arrested Development, as 

887
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,720
you mentioned, Mel, because 
Ellie Mcbeal had ended. 

888
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,640
And this time when she was on 
the show, she told the producers

889
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,760
that she was gay. 
I don't know if she had to do 

890
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,280
that or like why, but she told 
them. 

891
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,800
So she wasn't hiding anymore. 
And then they reunited. 

892
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,680
They met again in 2004. 
They ran into each other at a 

893
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:12,080
photo shoot of some sort, and 
the attraction was still there, 

894
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,240
although they were both in 
relationships. 

895
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,760
And Portia said about this. 
She had a girlfriend and I had a

896
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,040
girlfriend. 
But it wasn't like, oh, we're 

897
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,240
going to have an affair. 
We were just supposed to be 

898
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:26,320
together. 
And Ellen, Ellen told People 

899
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,720
magazine it was a tough 
decision. 

900
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:31,440
I was physically getting sick 
because I was trying not to say 

901
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,160
anything. 
So I told Alex and she told 

902
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,480
Francesca it was really hard to 
uproot everything. 

903
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,440
They broke up with their 
girlfriends to be together. 

904
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,440
That's good. 
I mean, we've seen the other 

905
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,480
side of it and how being left 
for somebody else hurts. 

906
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,640
But we've also talked about it's
better to leave the person for 

907
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:52,400
the other person instead of just
cheating. 

908
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,800
So at least they did that, you 
know? 

909
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,200
Yeah, I mean, it still would 
suck to be the other partners. 

910
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,360
Yeah, I. 
Would suck to be Alex and 

911
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:05,480
Francesca, but I guess you can't
really say like, oh, they 

912
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:09,480
cheated on me, 'cause the best 
thing you want to do if you want

913
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,600
to be of somebody else is to 
leave your current partner. 

914
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,440
So yeah. 
Unfortunately, yeah, there's, 

915
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,080
there's no real perfect solution
to that. 

916
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,320
Yeah, you know, but I mean to, 
if you want to feel a little 

917
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:26,400
better about it now, Alexandra 
is married to Jodie Foster and 

918
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:30,320
Francesca is with Brit Marling, 
the singer with her sister. 

919
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,520
So. 
Wait, they? 

920
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,920
Found love her sister Britt 
Marling's. 

921
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,680
Sister. 
Yeah. 

922
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,480
Oh, interesting. 
I. 

923
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,840
Don't know who she is, but I. 
Know Britt Marling? 

924
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,800
Yeah, yeah, Princess is with her
sister. 

925
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:46,640
Oh. 
Interesting. 

926
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,560
OK, so I guess it all worked out
and. 

927
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,040
It worked out. 
Wow, Jodie Foster. 

928
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:52,960
That's a catch. 
I know. 

929
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,360
Yep. 
So. 

930
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,000
Upgrade. 
Everybody knew Ellen DeGeneres. 

931
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,800
Like, as I said, she was really 
the first celebrity to come out 

932
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,200
and be openly gay and announce 
it like that. 

933
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,120
And Portia wrote in her memoir a
story about how her grandmother 

934
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:15,560
had called Ellen disgusting and 
stopped watching her on TV after

935
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,920
she came out. 
And then Fast forward two years 

936
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,480
later, she told her grandmother 
that she was dating Ellen. 

937
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:27,520
And at first her grandmother was
really upset and was like, what?

938
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,760
But then I guess she closed her 
eyes for 20 seconds, opened them

939
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,280
and then said, I love you. 
Just the. 

940
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:38,160
Same. 
Aw, that's sweet. 

941
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:39,680
She. 
Talked a little bit more about 

942
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:44,280
this in her book, like the 
stigma that Ellen had in a way. 

943
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,480
And then she had talked to her 
mom about how she was gay. 

944
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,120
And in the book she wrote, my 
mother would say to me, now 

945
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,560
you're in a now you're in a 
relationship, people will find 

946
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,960
out you're gay. 
And I would reply, relax, Ma, at

947
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:59,920
least I'm not dating Ellen 
DeGeneres. 

948
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,240
Ellen DeGeneres was the worst 
case scenario. 

949
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,160
She would expose me as being 
gay. 

950
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,280
She would force me to live a 
truthful, honest life, to be 

951
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,040
exactly who I am with no 
pretense. 

952
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:14,720
I thank God for her every day. 
So yeah, I mean it. 

953
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,280
She was like, seen as like the 
gay person in Bollywood. 

954
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,280
Yeah, people didn't know Portia 
even was. 

955
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,200
So it was quite a big deal was I
think. 

956
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,360
Yeah. 
Oh, Mel, what were you going to 

957
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:29,600
say? 
I was. 

958
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,480
Just saying it was Rosie 
O'Donnell out at that point I 

959
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,920
feel like. 
I'm not sure I know. 

960
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:41,320
I think she was the other. 
Yeah, I kind of see what Portia 

961
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:46,120
was saying, because anybody that
was probably seen even with 

962
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:49,400
Ellen at the time was probably 
thought to be like, oh, you're 

963
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:53,600
probably gay, you know, or 
maybe, yeah, Ellen, it's kind of

964
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:59,040
how even today, some people are 
spotted with Cara Delvine and 

965
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,600
people think, oh, are they 
together? 

966
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:08,720
Yeah, it's that kind of Yeah, I.
Just did a quick Google search 

967
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,760
and apparently Rosie came out in
2002. 

968
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:17,000
OK, so yeah, after yeah, I. 
I remember because she would 

969
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,120
always host the Kids Choice 
Awards, which was relevant to me

970
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,040
at the time, and I remember 
getting there was backlash. 

971
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,240
I think maybe even people didn't
want her to host it or 

972
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:29,760
something, or she was maybe even
fired from it. 

973
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,000
I don't know for sure, but I 
think she did face significant 

974
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:33,920
backlash. 
Clash too. 

975
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:39,480
Interestingly, I I kind of 
researched a little bit of Rosie

976
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,360
during this because I don't 
think Rosie and Ellen like each 

977
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:44,320
other. 
Oh. 

978
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:45,360
Really. 
Apparently. 

979
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,360
Yeah, they don't do anything. 
I remember Ellen went on the 

980
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,320
Rosie O'donnell's show and they 
were talking about, they made 

981
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:57,200
jokes about being, I think, 
Lebanese. 

982
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:58,800
Yeah. 
I'm. 

983
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,280
I'm Lebanese too. 
Interesting. 

984
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,240
I always thought you might be 
Lebanese. 

985
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:05,800
Yeah, like, obviously, but both 
like talking about being 

986
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:06,520
lesbian. 
Yeah. 

987
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,120
Then there was a funny story 
where Ellen was saying something

988
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,400
about how, like people said, you
know, she couldn't have a talk 

989
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,280
show because people didn't want 
to see a lesbian during the day.

990
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,800
But there's like both her and 
Rosie. 

991
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,400
Yeah, that's probably why they 
didn't get along. 

992
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,000
They were just competitors. 
Yeah, they were, yeah. 

993
00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:32,200
And Rosie pretty recently on I 
think Andy Cohen's show, said 

994
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:37,160
like that she had never been 
asked on Ellen's show and she 

995
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:42,920
seemed kind of shaded by that. 
And apparently Ellen said that 

996
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:47,320
they weren't friends. 
So interesting. 

997
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,400
I love Rosie. 
She's so funny. 

998
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:54,000
I haven't, you know, seen her or
anything in so long. 

999
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,560
But when I was a child, it was 
like a comforting thing. 

1000
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,080
I don't know. 
But so I don't know all of this 

1001
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,000
about like Porsche dating Ellen 
like Oh my God. 

1002
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,000
I sensed that she felt like very
judged, obviously from her 

1003
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,520
family and friends and Co stars 
and an immense amount of 

1004
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:14,760
judgment from the country that 
we probably can't even imagine. 

1005
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:21,920
So I asked our listeners, in any
way, big or small, have you ever

1006
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,120
felt judged for dating or liking
someone? 

1007
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,320
Oh yeah, I asked. 
I asked Caitlin if this was 

1008
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,440
weird to ask because. 
I. 

1009
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,840
Was like, I don't know, there's 
probably a difference between 

1010
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,280
like being judged for being gay 
and then being judged for dating

1011
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,160
someone that doesn't have a job 
or something. 

1012
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,040
But still, it, it hurts to feel 
judged for that. 

1013
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:46,240
And I asked you guys and 
actually 86% of our listeners 

1014
00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:49,480
said yes, they have felt judged.
For dating or. 

1015
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:54,280
Liking someone 14% sitting and 
elaborate. 

1016
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,200
Yeah, Heather said. 
I think there are two common 

1017
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,760
situations in which this 
happens. 1 high school 

1018
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,720
relationships popularity 
contest. 

1019
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,080
And two, the person you're after
is not good for you and your 

1020
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,400
friends know it. 
I've done both crying face. 

1021
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,840
And then Allison said yes, my 
younger years really brought a 

1022
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,440
slew of bad slash, poor life and
relationship decisions. 

1023
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:24,160
So that's kind of I guess 
applies to #2 like, 'cause 

1024
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:29,600
sometimes, sometimes people 
might be judgmental because they

1025
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,600
think they're looking out for 
you or something. 

1026
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:35,120
Yeah. 
But it still feels shitty, you 

1027
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,440
know, I don't. 
And also it sucks for the person

1028
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,920
that's being judged. 
I know other and there's so many

1029
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:42,760
different reasons unless I 
deserve. 

1030
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,840
I know it's it's kind of a wide 
question. 

1031
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,840
Yeah, yeah, I do a lot of 
interpretations. 

1032
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:53,280
Yeah, I feel like sometimes when
you are judged for liking 

1033
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:57,120
someone, it almost intensifies 
your feelings for that person 

1034
00:56:57,240 --> 00:57:01,280
because you're like, oh, 
everybody else doesn't see what 

1035
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,760
I see. 
And you almost want to like 

1036
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:09,160
prove people wrong or something 
or just the IT like. 

1037
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:11,400
It. 
Strengthens like the sense of 

1038
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,040
pining. 
I think it can do that in 

1039
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:20,560
another aspect because you might
feel that judgement and then you

1040
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:24,120
might kind of close yourself off
from those other people and more

1041
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,040
invest yourself in your 
relationships. 

1042
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,880
And then you're more attached to
that person because you think 

1043
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:34,920
that how your relationship is is
more important than the other 

1044
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,800
person's opinions. 
And maybe they're wrong. 

1045
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:42,160
Those people aren't right for 
those opinions and for all that.

1046
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:47,400
They might be wrong or right or 
whatever, but either way you 

1047
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,760
kind of grow closer because of 
that. 

1048
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:55,000
Yeah, I like, I'm thinking of 
Sam, Sam Taylor Johnson, Aaron 

1049
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,560
Taylor Johnson. 
Like it kind of becomes them 

1050
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,360
against the world in a way, 
Yeah. 

1051
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,920
Exactly. 
I think I've definitely, I don't

1052
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:09,200
know, I guess I have been 
insecure in the past or like a 

1053
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,960
people pleaser and it has 
affected me not not to this 

1054
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,400
scale like Ellen and Porsche, 
but like I, I actually feel kind

1055
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:17,840
of different from what you're 
describing. 

1056
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,280
Mel is like, it really upsets me
when people don't like who I'm 

1057
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,200
who I like or who I'm dating and
it makes me start to like 

1058
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:29,280
question it, which is bad, 
especially my younger self. 

1059
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,960
I mean, literally, I have like a
fifth grade memory of liking 

1060
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,280
this boy that was kind of nerdy 
and my friend like made fun of 

1061
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,640
me for liking him. 
And I feel like I kind of like 

1062
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:44,800
told myself to stop liking him 
for that reason, which is so sad

1063
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:50,520
but. 
There's like a whole genre of 

1064
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:54,800
humor or just like a lived 
experience on people. 

1065
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,520
I feel like about that feeling 
because you know that thing 

1066
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,520
about oh, like showing a picture
to your friends of the person 

1067
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,200
they're into and you're like, 
it's a bad photo. 

1068
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,840
Yeah, you're like. 
Yeah, they don't take photos. 

1069
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,720
Well. 
They're not photographic, like 

1070
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:15,560
photogenic or whatever. 
Like feel better in person, you 

1071
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,200
know? 
Yeah, I. 

1072
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,360
Always felt like, because I've 
definitely experienced this 

1073
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:27,880
where everybody hates a 
particular guy that I dated for 

1074
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:32,480
probably good reason, but I 
don't think it ever lessened. 

1075
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:36,760
Maybe over time I was like, OK, 
I, I don't want to deal with 

1076
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,840
this anymore, but I think that 
it just made me be like, OK, I'm

1077
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,400
not going to talk about it with 
people then. 

1078
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,640
Yeah, yeah, totally. 
I get that. 

1079
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,880
And I think that's why people 
were like in the closet, 

1080
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,680
obviously, like they knew people
weren't going to understand. 

1081
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,440
They knew people were going to 
judge them and maybe they lose 

1082
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,560
their job or whatever. 
I mean, that's the extreme. 

1083
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:00,600
But, you know, it's better to 
just keep it to yourself, which 

1084
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:04,040
is really sad. 
Definitely, yeah. 

1085
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,680
I mean, it's not good. 
I I would not be that way 

1086
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:07,960
anymore. 
Like my 5th grade self. 

1087
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:12,640
I think that's really lame that 
I shut down my crush for. 

1088
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,760
This nerdy boy but. 
Yeah, cuz it depends on I mean 

1089
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:23,960
if it's something that OK, I. 
Mean there's so many 

1090
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:28,720
interpretations of this question
yeah, yeah, because. 

1091
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,920
OK. 
If it's something that's not 

1092
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,760
really that important that 
they're judging you about, and 

1093
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,760
by that I mean like about your 
partner, like sexuality, 

1094
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:43,120
religion, race, anything like 
that, I would say don't let that

1095
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:48,720
get in the way of your love. 
Yeah, that would be my big 

1096
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,200
saying. 
I think it's lame. 

1097
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:51,960
Yeah. 
Because I said to let that 

1098
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,200
happen. 
But again, there's so many ways 

1099
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:57,160
where it could be like this 
person was borderline abusive 

1100
01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:58,520
and. 
Yeah. 

1101
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:00,880
Exactly. 
Then it's like everybody. 

1102
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:02,760
'S judging. 
Yeah. 

1103
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:06,840
In that in that case, you should
take your place, yeah. 

1104
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,640
But like, I really value that. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1105
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:14,200
In a healthy relationship you 
should never be ashamed of your 

1106
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,680
partner. 
So for whatever reason that is, 

1107
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:19,400
maybe you have good reason to be
ashamed because they treat you 

1108
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,760
like shit and then you know, re 
evaluate that. 

1109
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:26,920
But if people are judging them 
because of where they come from,

1110
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:31,960
what they look like, their 
sexuality, you should love them 

1111
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,040
enough to not hide them who they
are. 

1112
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,800
Yeah, yeah. 
And again, I've had problems 

1113
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:41,240
with that in the past, but. 
Okay. 

1114
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:47,480
It's, it's, it's a sad reality 
because like, obviously I'm gay,

1115
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:53,560
so I can relate to relationships
where people might want to hide 

1116
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,800
because of their sexuality, 
which I can understand. 

1117
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:01,600
Like that grandma seems 
homophobic, but you never know. 

1118
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,360
Again, if you come out and you 
say like, Hey, I'm dating Ellen 

1119
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,320
DeGeneres, they might take those
20 seconds and be like, you know

1120
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,480
what, I love you so. 
You. 

1121
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:15,440
Really never know and you 
shouldn't let that stand in the 

1122
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:19,360
way of love, that's why. 
Unfortunately, a lot of people 

1123
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,120
don't care about things until it
affects them. 

1124
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,320
Yeah. 
So I think that happens 

1125
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,360
sometimes. 
Yeah, yeah, though I don't know.

1126
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,920
Well, yeah, it is amazing. 
Some people have never felt 

1127
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,400
that. 
I asked Charlie this question. 

1128
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,240
I was like, have you felt judged
for liking someone or dating 

1129
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:37,320
someone? 
And he thought about it for a 

1130
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:38,520
second. 
He said no. 

1131
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,920
And if he was like, yeah, like 
who you? 

1132
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:50,040
Yeah. 
Yeah, I feel judged every day 

1133
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,600
for being with. 
You. 

1134
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,600
Yeah, I mean, more, more on 
these lines. 

1135
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:01,000
In 2005, Ellen and Portia made 
their first big public 

1136
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:04,440
appearance at the Golden Globes,
at a Golden Globes party. 

1137
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,520
I don't even think it was on the
red card, but just at the party.

1138
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:10,600
But Ellen said it was a big deal
for her to be seen with me. 

1139
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:13,720
Port Ellen. 
I mean, it's like, oh, I'm. 

1140
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,800
Just like. 
What do you call it? 

1141
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,600
Social pariah? 
Yeah, that's social pariah. 

1142
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:26,440
Later that same year, Ellen told
People magazine People 

1143
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:31,000
definitely owns this beat this 
Ellen and Portia story. 

1144
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,320
Ellen said. 
It's the first time I've known 

1145
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,880
in every cell of my being that 
I'm with somebody for the rest 

1146
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,840
of my life. 
And, she added, if it were 

1147
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,280
legal, we would be married. 
But it's not legal. 

1148
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,360
What year is this? 
2005. 

1149
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,000
They still got like 10 years or 
so. 

1150
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:51,480
Yeah, well, not not in 
Massachusetts lol. 

1151
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:56,240
Yeah, true. 
I'm skipping ahead a few years. 

1152
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,440
I I'm, I'm assuming everything 
was OK. 

1153
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,480
I'm sure life has its up and 
downs, but you know, she's doing

1154
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:06,120
the Ellen DeGeneres Show. 2008 
comes around and Ellen and 

1155
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:09,520
Portia become engaged. 
Portia said. 

1156
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:14,320
Ellen was going to surprise me 
with a commitment ceremony at a 

1157
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,960
joint birthday party we were 
going to have, so we made the 

1158
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:21,440
date of August 16th. 
I don't get that though, because

1159
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,400
what their birthdays are 
January? 

1160
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:26,720
Yeah, they're both January, so I
don't. 

1161
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:31,960
I'm just a little confused at 
surprising her with a commitment

1162
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,800
ceremony. 
Is that just like, surprising 

1163
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:36,360
with an engagement? 
I don't know what. 

1164
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:37,480
Yeah, how? 
Can we do that? 

1165
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:40,240
Yeah. 
I'm surprised we're getting 

1166
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:44,120
married now. 
Yeah, surprised it's our 

1167
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:45,160
wedding. 
It. 

1168
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:50,040
Must have been engagement. 
It must be engagement at I don't

1169
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,680
know if they weren't calling it 
engagement because it was just a

1170
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:54,880
very quick commitment ceremony. 
I don't know, but like 

1171
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:58,960
commitment ceremony was supposed
to happen in August, but I think

1172
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,680
it was proposed at their joint 
birthday party and their 

1173
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:05,440
birthdays are both in January. 
So they made the date August 

1174
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,520
16th. 
And then during that time in 

1175
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,760
between, I guess gay marriage 
became legal in California. 

1176
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,600
So they were going to have the 
ceremony anyway. 

1177
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,000
And then they were like, oh, we 
could actually make this a 

1178
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,200
wedding. 
So that August they were wed at 

1179
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:24,040
their home in Los Angeles. 
There were about 19 guests. 

1180
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,720
Wasn't really a big affair, but 
Ellen wore. 

1181
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:32,160
Yeah, Ellen wore a white blouse 
and pants, and Portia wore a 

1182
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,400
white gown with like, a tulle 
skirt. 

1183
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,520
The dinner and wedding cake was 
all vegan because they were both

1184
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:41,480
vegan at the time. 
And to People magazine, Ellen 

1185
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,680
said, what can I say? 
I'm the luckiest girl in the 

1186
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:46,680
world. 
And she said she's officially 

1187
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:48,880
off the market. 
No one else gets her, and now 

1188
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:53,360
she'll cook and clean for me. 
And then later, she said when 

1189
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,920
she returned to the show, I've 
been married for exactly 24 days

1190
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:00,120
and I've now settled into it. 
I'm saying things like this 

1191
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,760
little lady will have the Caesar
salad, no anchovies. 

1192
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,120
And. 
I'd love to be there, but the 

1193
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:06,920
old bond chain will let me out 
of the house. 

1194
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:12,160
That's funny and. 
Jokes, yeah. 

1195
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:16,680
Yeah, definitely. 
I can see some people taking it 

1196
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:21,520
literally in this day and age. 
But I was I was thinking as 

1197
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,440
you're talking about it, like 
I'm sure this is maybe come up 

1198
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:29,760
on the podcast before, but I it 
must be kind of tough in same 

1199
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:33,000
sex relationships when it comes 
to engagement. 

1200
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,200
Like who takes the lead on that?
We talked about this a couple 

1201
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:40,200
episodes ago with Jen Tran, how 
she was on a Bachelorette and 

1202
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:45,800
proposed and it like stinks. 
But it is almost comforting in 

1203
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,800
straight relationships to have 
that gender norm where. 

1204
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:51,960
Yeah. 
The guy proposes. 

1205
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,600
Because I feel like I could 
picture myself if I was gay, 

1206
01:06:55,600 --> 01:07:00,400
just like kind of waiting around
for a while, like not wanting to

1207
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:05,080
do it, but then the other person
might not want to. 

1208
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:11,880
I think my opinion is I think a 
lot of you kind of OK, kind of 

1209
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,720
like straight couples for the 
most part. 

1210
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,200
You discuss it about like 
potentially. 

1211
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:18,840
Getting married. 
Or something like that. 

1212
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:24,480
My question though is who gets 
the ring if you both get each 

1213
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:28,920
other ring cuz you might be like
let's get married but I don't 

1214
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:33,240
know if they do do the official 
kneeling down to propose type of

1215
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,000
thing. 
I've seen lots of footage or 

1216
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,040
videos on TikTok, Instagram, 
reels, whatnot. 

1217
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:47,600
Mostly of lesbians where one 
proposes to the other and the 

1218
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,680
other also has a ring. 
They were planning to propose at

1219
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:54,640
the same time or another time, 
so they both have rings. 

1220
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,160
Yeah. 
We're going to propose, so I 

1221
01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:00,560
think it is very up in the air. 
Yeah, I said. 

1222
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:03,440
Because I wouldn't even say 
like, oh, it's the one who's 

1223
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:08,840
more masculine presenting or, 
you know, 'cause. 

1224
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:10,560
That's like that's not always 
the case. 

1225
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:15,880
Exactly 'cause sometimes there's
22 Butch lesbians in one 

1226
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:19,800
relationship or two femme 
lesbians in one relationship or 

1227
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:21,720
and that's. 
This is just talking about 

1228
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,000
lesbians at this point, but. 
Yeah, I'm sure. 

1229
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,359
It's a whole different thing 
also for gay men and then maybe 

1230
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:30,439
also with non binary people. 
So I don't even know I've. 

1231
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:34,800
Seen some couples who they both 
propose to each other which I 

1232
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,680
think is sweet in practice but 
if you're the person who goes 

1233
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:41,760
second it's like way easier. 
You. 

1234
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,880
Know the person is definitely. 
I mean, you should always pretty

1235
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:48,720
much know the person's going to 
say yes if you're proposing, but

1236
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,680
the stakes are way lower. 
I guess like in a way though, 

1237
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,359
you can like maybe one up the 
other person if you're going 

1238
01:08:54,359 --> 01:08:57,680
second because you're like, oh, 
this person, did you know this? 

1239
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:03,240
I'm going to like raise it up a 
level and like go even more all 

1240
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:05,960
out. 
Part of the fun of a engagement 

1241
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,880
is the surprise of it. 
So if you're going second, it's 

1242
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,279
like, oh, like the surprise 
isn't there. 

1243
01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:15,479
Yeah, maybe it's like a race to 
see who does it first. 

1244
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:19,560
That's. 
Fun. 

1245
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:24,479
Do you guys mind if I go to the 
bathroom real quick? 

1246
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:28,160
Oh, no, let's, let's do it. 
You do mine, you do mine. 

1247
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:33,240
Maybe I'll go too. 
OK, I kind of have to go, so 

1248
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:34,080
maybe I'll go. 
I'll. 

1249
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:36,359
Go. 
OK, we'll be right back. 

1250
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:43,800
We're back. 
OK, so they're married now. 

1251
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:49,800
And in 2009, Portia made her 
first appearance on Ellen's 

1252
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,160
show. 
Oh, I'm surprised it took her so

1253
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:53,040
long. 
I. 

1254
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,720
Know, I don't know why. 
Maybe they're waiting for it to 

1255
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:57,360
be official. 
Official. 

1256
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:01,000
I don't know. 
But years later, yeah. 

1257
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:04,280
So it's after they're married 
and in this little segment, 

1258
01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:07,920
Portia talks about what she 
loves about Ellen and it's 

1259
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,160
really cute. 
I, I know you guys listening 

1260
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:15,320
can't see it, but Ellen looks 
genuinely like so touched in her

1261
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,440
expression. 
She looks very emotional. 

1262
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:20,160
But I'm going to share a clip. 
But. 

1263
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:21,520
That's actually kind of hard to 
do. 

1264
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,680
All right, yeah. 
See, now the reason I did that 

1265
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:26,840
is because she makes me look. 
Can you take these off? 

1266
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,280
You take it off, all right. 
Take the other one off. 

1267
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:30,840
No. 
All right. 

1268
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:32,320
All right, then don't just stand
on that. 

1269
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,200
Every time we go out and get 
photographed, She she looks so 

1270
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:36,920
much taller than me. 
I'm taller than her. 

1271
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:38,480
Let's settle this once and for 
all. 

1272
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,840
You're always wearing these 
heels and I feel so short next 

1273
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:43,160
to you, so I have. 
My shoe back, yes. 

1274
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,200
All right. 
Mainly why I had you on the show

1275
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,960
to settle that. 
Because Portia, Hey. 

1276
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:51,760
Ellen So. 
We've been married. 

1277
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,160
This is our seven month 
anniversary today. 

1278
01:10:54,240 --> 01:11:05,670
So and I'm going to treat you 
like any other guest who just 

1279
01:11:05,670 --> 01:11:07,470
got married. 
I would say how's how's married 

1280
01:11:07,470 --> 01:11:13,630
life for you? 
I I think it's going pretty 

1281
01:11:13,630 --> 01:11:15,350
good. 
Are you enjoying being married 

1282
01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:20,630
to me? 
Yes, yes, I. 

1283
01:11:21,430 --> 01:11:23,720
Am look at that. 
Remember that? 

1284
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:25,880
Yeah, I do. 
I got to say that was the 

1285
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:27,400
happiest day of my life. 
It. 

1286
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:34,120
Really was me too. 
Yeah, no, you. 

1287
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:37,520
Know people always ask me if 
there's anything that she does 

1288
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,640
that's annoying, like around the
house, like if she leaves wet 

1289
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:42,520
towels on the floor, if she's 
messy. 

1290
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:47,760
And I got to tell you, she is 
considerate and kind and 

1291
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,640
wonderful and neat. 
Thanks. 

1292
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:54,480
Thanks really. 
The most? 

1293
01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:58,480
Amazing. 
So what would you say about? 

1294
01:11:58,480 --> 01:11:59,240
Thanks a lot. 
No. 

1295
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:00,800
Pressure. 
I would say the same thing, 

1296
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,160
really. 
Not the neat part. 

1297
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:06,520
I don't think you're neat, but 
you're kind and considerate in 

1298
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:07,480
all those things. 
I'm not. 

1299
01:12:07,480 --> 01:12:09,040
As neat no. 
You're not as neat, it's just 

1300
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:13,040
not as important to you. 
You do hear the accent when she 

1301
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:17,040
says anything or whatever, yeah.
Aw and. 

1302
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:22,800
You I kind of hate though, when 
you compliment someone or 

1303
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:26,200
whatever and then you say now 
compliment me back and they just

1304
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:29,640
say the same thing or, you know,
it's like, can you think of 

1305
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:33,720
something else to say? 
I know you're all. 

1306
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,240
Those things too, it's like, 
okay. 

1307
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:41,240
I know, I know. 
Maybe she she was like searching

1308
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:42,440
for a joke. 
I don't know. 

1309
01:12:42,440 --> 01:12:44,160
Yeah, I kind of. 
I kind of do. 

1310
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:47,200
That though, like if someone 
said like you're so pretty, I 

1311
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:50,720
say like you're pretty too, you 
know, that's different. 

1312
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,960
If it's one thing that's 
different, but they list all 

1313
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:56,760
these things and then they're 
like, OK, do me, like compliment

1314
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:57,400
me now. 
Yeah. 

1315
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:01,360
All the things you just listed. 
I know. 

1316
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:05,600
Yeah, Push is very sweet. 
I just thought it was cute. 

1317
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:10,080
I thought Ellen's face looked. 
Ellen Ellen does look like she 

1318
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:13,960
adores her Portia. 
I could see it. 

1319
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:15,400
Yes, I. 
Love. 

1320
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:18,160
I love to see that. 
It's cute in the. 

1321
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:22,360
Eyes in 2010. 
This is when Portia's book came 

1322
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:24,120
out. 
Unbearable lightness, Story of 

1323
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:27,320
lost and gain. 
As I mentioned before, it is 

1324
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:30,760
very dark and vulnerable. 
But she opened the book with a 

1325
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:35,000
dedication, writing to Ellen for
showing me what beauty is. 

1326
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,600
That's cute. 
Ellen has a couple books 

1327
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,880
herself, but they're so 
different from Porsche's. 

1328
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:46,280
They're entirely jokes. 
Most of the stories are super 

1329
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:48,640
exaggerated or, I think totally 
invented. 

1330
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:51,440
I mean, they're they're comedy 
books, you know? 

1331
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:53,600
Yeah. 
So it's just, it's just funny 

1332
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:57,360
how different their books are. 
Also in 2010, in August, Porsche

1333
01:13:57,440 --> 01:14:03,160
filed to legally change her name
to Porsche Lee James DeGeneres 

1334
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:06,200
in order to take the last name 
of her spouse. 

1335
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,240
Where'd the Jane come from? 
I don't know. 

1336
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:13,280
I was heading everywhere for 
where that came from and I 

1337
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:16,960
couldn't figure it out. 
So maybe she disliked that name,

1338
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:20,320
I don't know. 
And she wrote in a statement, 

1339
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:22,840
I'm thrilled to legally adopt my
wife's name. 

1340
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:26,720
I will continue to use Portia De
Rossi for professional purposes.

1341
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:31,040
And Ellen tweeted, I just got 
some amazing news. 

1342
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,200
The court has granted Portia's 
name change. 

1343
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:35,560
She's now officially Portia 
Winfrey. 

1344
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:41,200
It is interesting. 
I don't know, like also how did 

1345
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:46,040
that decision happen that Portia
wanted to become Portia 

1346
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:48,520
DeGeneres? 
But it I think it's funny 

1347
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:53,280
because like her last name was 
also a chosen name that she 

1348
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:56,280
changed to so. 
I think that's probably why, 

1349
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:58,960
because she didn't really. 
It's kind of. 

1350
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:02,320
Similar to Rossi DeGeneres. 
Yeah. 

1351
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,880
I feel like it goes well 
together. 

1352
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:07,720
Yeah. 
Throughout the 20 tens, as we're

1353
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:11,440
entering a new decade, I will 
say there were a lot of rumors 

1354
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:16,040
about Ellen and Portia getting 
divorced soon, or you know, that

1355
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:20,320
things are rocky, but it still 
has never turned out to be true,

1356
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:24,280
Ellen told Howard Howard Stern. 
Take a. 

1357
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:28,680
Drink that she thought the 
rumors came about just because 

1358
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:31,680
they were boring otherwise and 
she said I don't understand why 

1359
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:33,600
they do it. 
We're kind of flattered because 

1360
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:36,400
for a while no one cared about 
us and we thought, oh, lesbians 

1361
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,200
aren't worthy of tabloid stories
so we're kind of flattered they 

1362
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:43,000
care about us, but we don't we 
really don't almost break up. 

1363
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,720
We don't fight. 
We are madly in love. 

1364
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,040
I guess it's boring that's. 
Cute. 

1365
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:52,320
A lot of our articles were also 
questioning if Ellen and Portia 

1366
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:57,240
would ever have kids. 
In 2011, Ellen published a book 

1367
01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:59,640
called Seriously dot dot dot, 
I'm Kidding. 

1368
01:15:59,960 --> 01:16:03,080
And in one part, she wrote about
how her and Portia's decision 

1369
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:05,600
had her and Portia had decided 
not to have children. 

1370
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:08,640
And she said we love to be 
around children after they're 

1371
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,200
fed and bathed, but we 
ultimately decided that we don't

1372
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:14,120
want children of our own. 
There is far too much glass in 

1373
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:17,200
our house. 
And she said we have two dogs, 

1374
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:20,240
Mabel and Wolf, and three cats 
at home, Charlie, George and 

1375
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:22,560
Chairman. 
We have two cats on our farm, 

1376
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:25,920
Tom and Little Sister, two 
horses and two mini horses, 

1377
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:29,400
Hannah and Tricky. 
We also have 2 cows, Holy and 

1378
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:31,600
Madonna, and those are the only 
animal. 

1379
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:34,400
Those are only the animals we 
let sleep in our bed. 

1380
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:39,000
So they're big animal people. 
Yeah. 

1381
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:42,160
I feel like that's so difficult 
of a lot of celebrities. 

1382
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:47,400
They just have like such a 
unrelatable amount of animals. 

1383
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:51,800
I know, OK. 
I know it's good to adopt so 

1384
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:59,360
many pets and, you know, get 
them out of the, the kennels and

1385
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:03,360
whatnot and the shelters, but 
it's almost kind of borderline 

1386
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:07,760
negligence how many animals some
of these celebrities have. 

1387
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:09,880
They've like 10 dogs or 
something. 

1388
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:15,600
And it's like the way you you 
can just, they have so much 

1389
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,440
attention to these ten dogs. 
They might be getting like fed 

1390
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:22,120
and like given water and walks 
and stuff. 

1391
01:17:22,480 --> 01:17:25,640
But it's probably from like 
walkers, people who come to do 

1392
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:28,440
it, random strangers. 
I mean, maybe those random 

1393
01:17:28,440 --> 01:17:30,800
strangers that you hire giving 
them lots and love. 

1394
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:35,760
But especially if you're off 
filming or touring and whatnot, 

1395
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:39,400
it's just, it's yeah, they're 
having a good life, but it's 

1396
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:40,720
just. 
I. 

1397
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:43,360
Wouldn't almost have that many 
pets. 

1398
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:47,520
Well, I guess, yeah, it's like, 
I mean, they are well cared for,

1399
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:51,880
but I, I guess I don't know, 
like a cat or a dog, what level 

1400
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:56,240
of attention do they need from 
their owner in terms of the 

1401
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:58,920
connection? 
Like I just can't relate because

1402
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:02,240
it would be a different type of 
connection that you have with 

1403
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:04,400
your pet. 
Like, you might love them, but 

1404
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:08,960
it's not like they are your 
everything, you know? 

1405
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,400
Like your world doesn't 
necessarily like revolve around 

1406
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:14,160
them. 
Like which has been the case all

1407
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:14,960
of us. 
We like. 

1408
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:20,360
Yeah, it would be hard to be as 
obsessed with your pet as I 

1409
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:24,040
think the normal person 
typically is when they have a 

1410
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:27,520
couple at most I. 
Just find that insane. 

1411
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:31,760
It's, it's like a weird thing, 
like why do you need to have 10 

1412
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:37,280
dogs or 10 cats or all these 
farm animals even though you're 

1413
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:41,960
not a farmer or whatever, you 
know, it's what's the desire 

1414
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:44,640
there. 
Who's the excitement maybe? 

1415
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:49,120
Yeah, later on they do get 
chickens as well. 

1416
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,440
And like a gorilla sanctuary. 
Oh my. 

1417
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,480
God. 
That no, no I. 

1418
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:00,400
Mean they're not their pets. 
It's supposed to be for 

1419
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:02,840
wildlife, is it? 
Like automation or whatever 

1420
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:04,960
property or no? 
No, no, they just. 

1421
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:06,920
Own a zoo or something? 
Oh. 

1422
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:10,640
No, what? 
It's like a foundation to. 

1423
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:14,920
Help the gorillas but I thought 
they just had like a zoo on 

1424
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:18,440
property or something. 
No, no, that's OK that. 

1425
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:21,680
'D be great, but. 
They have access to gorillas I 

1426
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:25,160
would say. 
This is OK. 

1427
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:31,640
That's another level. 
If you have this gorilla 

1428
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:35,720
sanctuary in Africa that you can
just go to and just see your 

1429
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:42,040
gorillas or whatever, OK. 
I mean, it's like in the wild, I

1430
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:43,960
think. 
But they have, I don't really 

1431
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:45,960
know. 
I'm, I'm guessing they like help

1432
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:48,200
sick gorillas too or something. 
I don't know. 

1433
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:52,240
Back to the timeline. 
In 2012, Porsche and Ellen 

1434
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:55,040
signed on to a sitcom pilot for 
ABC. 

1435
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:59,040
The channel ABC called the Smart
One, but it never came to 

1436
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:00,720
fruition. 
I think. 

1437
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:01,960
I wonder what it would have 
been. 

1438
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:06,920
About jumping ahead again. 
Now we're in 2014 and they 

1439
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:11,200
celebrate their 6th wedding 
anniversary and Portia had the 

1440
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:16,480
word 6 spelled in the sky from 
an airplane to celebrate and 

1441
01:20:16,480 --> 01:20:19,720
apparently that's Porsche go to 
gift for Ellen. 

1442
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:24,080
She does sky writing a lot or 
has sky writing done? 

1443
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:29,880
Is sweet the first time, but 
it's like the 20th time. 

1444
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:34,360
My gift is just skywriting. 
I don't know if it's 20 times 

1445
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,400
but. 
OK, but imagine if that's the 

1446
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:39,600
only gift you keep getting. 
Yeah. 

1447
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:45,560
I feel like that's like once a 
special twice, it's like, OK, 

1448
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:48,360
you know, kind of calling it 
back to the other time. 

1449
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:50,400
Yeah. 
Anything more than that is like.

1450
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:52,920
It's. 
Not environmentally. 

1451
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:55,520
It's not environmentally 
friendly as well. 

1452
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,240
I read that. 
They. 

1453
01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:02,600
Have trouble giving each other 
gifts because Ellen is extremely

1454
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:06,480
wealthy and so Porsche is too 
and so they don't really need 

1455
01:21:06,480 --> 01:21:09,080
anything. 
So I think Portia has to get 

1456
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:11,240
really creative with her gifts 
for Ellen. 

1457
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:14,920
Really not that creative if she 
keeps doing Yeah, running over. 

1458
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:18,480
Can't think of anything better 
than that, I guess. 

1459
01:21:19,480 --> 01:21:23,880
No, that's the same. 
Year, Yeah, that same year, a 

1460
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:27,640
source told people. 
A mysterious source said they've

1461
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:31,400
had their ups and downs. 
Portia has been very outspoken 

1462
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:34,760
about previous issues like her 
eating disorder, and she's good 

1463
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:36,240
at seeking help when she needs 
to. 

1464
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:39,200
They've worked out difficulties 
in the past and no doubt they're

1465
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:41,280
trying to work out any problems 
right now. 

1466
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:47,280
So sounds OK a couple years 
later in 2017. 

1467
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:50,080
I don't know if this is credible
at all, but Life in Style 

1468
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:54,200
magazine wrote a source tells 
Lifestyle that the Ellen Show 

1469
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:56,800
crew would often overhear the 
duo's fights. 

1470
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,840
Ellen hates that she never wants
people at work to know about her

1471
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:03,320
personal problems, and the 
source said it was a huge wake 

1472
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:06,600
up call for her. 
But I don't who knows if it's 

1473
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,680
true I. 
Don't think that's weird of her 

1474
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:12,240
to not want people to hear them 
fighting I guess. 

1475
01:22:12,480 --> 01:22:13,800
I know I mean. 
Who wants that? 

1476
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:19,880
Yeah, nobody wants the coworkers
or their employees hearing them 

1477
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:24,240
have a domestic Yeah, but. 
It's also not weird, it's. 

1478
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:26,840
Normal for couples to fight like
it's. 

1479
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,120
Yeah, it is going to happen. 
In any marriage. 

1480
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:33,800
I think the one thing is like, 
they shouldn't be fighting at 

1481
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:38,800
work, but to be a talk show 
host, it's so much work. 

1482
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:43,880
So I can imagine Ellens probably
just at the studio all the time.

1483
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,840
Yeah, maybe this is also a 
factor in their relationship or 

1484
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:50,320
whatever. 
So probably that's where they 

1485
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,120
see each other a lot or where 
Ellen is 'cause that's like a 

1486
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:55,520
full time job. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1487
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:57,080
She. 
Comes for like lunch or whatever

1488
01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:00,960
and then the fight happens. 
So I could see why it could be 

1489
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,240
happening there. 
But yeah, yeah. 

1490
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,160
And I guess it depends on what 
they're fighting about. 

1491
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:08,320
I used to work with a man who 
every single time I walked by 

1492
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:12,120
his desk I could hear him on a 
call with his wife arguing with 

1493
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:15,640
her and it's like. 
Every time. 

1494
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:19,720
Almost every time. 
He was always so upset. 

1495
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:22,640
It's like. 
This is unprofessional. 

1496
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:24,640
This is. 
Bad that. 

1497
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:27,520
Is unprofessional. 
That's so funny. 

1498
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:29,960
I'm curious what they were 
fighting about. 

1499
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:31,880
Do you remember? 
I don't know. 

1500
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:37,120
He was a he was grumpy. 
Well, so was Ellen, I guess. 

1501
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:43,360
Yeah, she can be a little 
grumpy, I think, but she did say

1502
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:46,720
of course to people. 
She that same year, talked about

1503
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:48,960
Portia and said, this is a long 
paragraph. 

1504
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:50,240
I'm going to skip ahead a little
bit. 

1505
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:52,600
I can't imagine not being 
married. 

1506
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:55,280
I have my best friend, the 
person I want to spend time with

1507
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:57,120
more than anybody else in this 
world. 

1508
01:23:57,480 --> 01:24:00,320
Portia and I constantly say to 
each other, we are so lucky. 

1509
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:02,880
Sometimes it's lying in bed at 
night before I go to sleep and I

1510
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:06,160
just say thank you to whatever, 
whoever is out there. 

1511
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,120
I've gotten to a place where I 
really am just settled. 

1512
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:12,240
She's not going anywhere. 
That's sweet, I. 

1513
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:15,240
Do think Ellen is a bit 
spiritual actually. 

1514
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:18,200
Yeah, I get that. 
Surprisingly, yeah. 

1515
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:21,040
And she's friends with Oprah, 
and so is Oprah. 

1516
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:25,280
So yeah. 
In 2018, Portia announced that 

1517
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:28,760
she had decided to quit acting. 
She. 

1518
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:32,040
Had been on the show Scandal 
actually, in recent years. 

1519
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:36,400
Oh, and I don't think it's like 
a main role, but and she 

1520
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:40,960
approached 45 years old and she 
said she wanted to do something 

1521
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:43,880
else. 
Ellen had also sort of hinted at

1522
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,880
Porsche hating to do press. 
I think Porsche, this is me, 

1523
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:51,840
just like reading between the 
lines and she didn't say this, 

1524
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:56,440
but I think Portia does get 
pretty anxious from the whole 

1525
01:24:56,440 --> 01:24:58,960
deal of acting. 
And I, I don't know, I think she

1526
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:01,840
likes acting, but I think it 
makes her very stressed out too.

1527
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:04,720
And I don't know if she was 
getting as many jobs as she had 

1528
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,440
hoped or I'm not sure, but I 
think it just wasn't really 

1529
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:11,000
working out anymore. 
You know, she did return to do 

1530
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:14,760
Arrested Development when it 
came back because, you know, so 

1531
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:17,720
many like, reboots and stuff. 
But besides that, she has 

1532
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,720
retired from acting. 
And Ellen and Portia, we're 

1533
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,880
doing a lot of philanthropy and 
charity work. 

1534
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:27,640
As I said, they started the 
Ellen de Generes Wildlife Fund 

1535
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:32,800
Fund, which has like a gorilla 
sanctuary in Africa. 

1536
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:36,320
And Portia is now the owner of 
general public and art curation 

1537
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:39,760
and publishing company and I 
feel like her and Ellen just 

1538
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:42,200
have so much money she can 
basically do whatever she wants.

1539
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:46,040
So she like, she could probably 
just live off of Ellen's money. 

1540
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:51,680
I would just oh, a. 100%, yeah. 
Yeah, If I didn't do anything, 

1541
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:54,080
yeah. 
I feel like, I mean, acting 

1542
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:56,200
might have just been a job for 
her. 

1543
01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:58,840
Like I feel like for a lot of 
people, if you didn't have to 

1544
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:02,040
work, would you? 
A lot of people would say no. 

1545
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:03,920
They would just do whatever. 
They want true. 

1546
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:07,840
Yeah. 
Especially because she's had an 

1547
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:10,840
eating disorder, I don't think 
that a Hollywood would be the 

1548
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:13,160
healthiest place for her. 
No, I. 

1549
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:15,840
Know I think it's been hard for 
her and. 

1550
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:20,240
That probably would be part of 
her healing and her process. 

1551
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:23,160
Of. 
Recovery to probably also step 

1552
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:25,240
away from the limelight. 
Yeah, I. 

1553
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:29,200
Agree, this is the point in the 
episode where I wanted to talk 

1554
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:32,760
about. 
I couldn't really even find this

1555
01:26:33,440 --> 01:26:36,120
this time around researching but
I remember people on social 

1556
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:38,880
media and such claiming that 
like Ellen doesn't let Porsche 

1557
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:42,560
work or something. 
Have you guys heard that? 

1558
01:26:43,240 --> 01:26:45,600
Yes. 
I have heard that that was like 

1559
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,000
one of those keeps. 
Her at home, Yeah. 

1560
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:51,200
That was like once Ellen was 
getting her backlash. 

1561
01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:54,800
That was one of the things like,
and she's awful to Portia and 

1562
01:26:54,800 --> 01:27:00,680
hides her away in the house all 
day and like, I don't know, you 

1563
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:02,720
don't know. 
Especially like with everything 

1564
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:06,120
Portia has been through, you 
don't know, yeah, what's going 

1565
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:09,440
on in their life. 
She doesn't owe us her presence 

1566
01:27:09,440 --> 01:27:13,240
in the public life. 
Yeah, I was trying to look this 

1567
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:17,680
up, but I couldn't really find, 
like, any evidence that Ellen 

1568
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:20,720
has done this. 
I mean, Ellen does make jokes 

1569
01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:24,680
sometimes. 
I think she's trying to make fun

1570
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:27,160
of, like, the patriarchal, 
typical heterosexual 

1571
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:29,160
relationships where, like, she's
the man. 

1572
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:31,520
And as I said, like, she's like,
oh, she's my ball and chain or 

1573
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:34,040
whatever. 
But yeah, Ellen's joking. 

1574
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:37,200
Yeah. 
She's making fun of husbands 

1575
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:39,760
when she does that. 
Yeah, that's who she's making 

1576
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:43,040
fun of. 
Yeah, and I think Portia did 

1577
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:47,760
kind of struggle with acting and
getting jobs and dealing with 

1578
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:49,040
her mental health and 
everything. 

1579
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:54,760
And so I think it just genuinely
is true that Portia retired from

1580
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:56,280
acting. 
I don't I don't really think 

1581
01:27:56,280 --> 01:28:00,320
it's like Ellen didn't want her 
to work maybe, but I just 

1582
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:03,200
haven't seen any like hard proof
of that. 

1583
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:07,040
So if anybody knows anything, I 
don't know, like tell us. 

1584
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:11,000
But I think Portia kind of had 
some professional uncertainty. 

1585
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:12,800
I don't I don't know. 
I don't think she was like Emma 

1586
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,440
Stone, you know, like getting 
nominated for Oscars all the 

1587
01:28:15,440 --> 01:28:18,920
time. 
Like she she kind of struggled I

1588
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:22,040
think to get roles so. 
Yeah, for whatever reason. 

1589
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:23,960
So that's just the reality of 
it. 

1590
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:29,920
In 2018, also same year that 
Portia retired, Ellen returned 

1591
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,840
to stand up with the Netflix 
special relatable. 

1592
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:38,160
And is I listened to it, kind of
watched it, listened to it and 

1593
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:41,000
it did make me laugh. 
And she kind of predicted her 

1594
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,880
own downfall, though she 
mentioned on the show how she 

1595
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:47,480
had always ended her Ellen 
DeGeneres Show by saying be kind

1596
01:28:47,480 --> 01:28:50,360
to one another. 
And now that now that she has 

1597
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,120
said that for years, she's the 
be kind girl. 

1598
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:56,800
And now she can never be mean or
get upset. 

1599
01:28:56,880 --> 01:29:00,240
It's like she can't honk in 
traffic and whatever. 

1600
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:05,400
And it's, I don't know if she 
herself kind of inspired the 

1601
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:09,360
backlash with this own this joke
of hers, because I feel like 

1602
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:13,840
that in itself is like what led 
to her eventual so-called 

1603
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:17,280
cancellation. 
Yeah, we're. 

1604
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:18,320
Coming to that, we're almost 
there. 

1605
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:23,760
We're almost there, but so 2020,
February 2020, still in the 

1606
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:28,600
innocent February 2020, we we 
didn't know what was going to 

1607
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:32,720
hit us yet. 
Ellen shared on her show that 

1608
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:36,040
whenever Portia has to go out of
town and I'm not with her, I 

1609
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:38,680
surprised her and I called the 
hotel and set it up. 

1610
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:42,520
They put a huge heart-shaped 
thing of rose petals on her bed,

1611
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:45,440
so when she walks into the room,
the whole bed is covered with 

1612
01:29:45,440 --> 01:29:49,440
heart-shaped rose petals. 
Cute. 

1613
01:29:49,440 --> 01:29:50,280
That's very. 
Cute. 

1614
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:53,240
I know they seem to like to do 
gestures to each other. 

1615
01:29:53,240 --> 01:29:55,840
It's it's feet. 
I forget who was the guest on 

1616
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:59,760
her show, but they were like 
wow, like what the heck? 

1617
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:03,920
I don't do that. 
Like I don't know anyone that 

1618
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:05,840
does that like that's. 
Crazy because. 

1619
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:10,080
Ellen is extremely wealthy. 
Like, that was kind of part of 

1620
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:13,040
the joke of her relatable show. 
Like she acknowledged it in the 

1621
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:15,280
beginning. 
I think she did a good job of 

1622
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:16,760
it. 
But she was talking about how 

1623
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:18,720
her friends said, how are you 
going to do stand up? 

1624
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:20,400
Like you're not relatable 
anymore? 

1625
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:23,680
She made a lot of jokes about 
like, having a Butler and blah, 

1626
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:26,280
blah, blah. 
But I I think it was all tongue 

1627
01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:27,200
in cheek. 
Yeah. 

1628
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:28,960
Because that is kind of the 
thing with stand up. 

1629
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:33,720
It's supposed to be very 
universal type humor that you 

1630
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:37,280
can just be like, oh, this 
thing, everybody knows this and 

1631
01:30:37,480 --> 01:30:40,800
we all deal with this and this 
isn't that funny or whatever. 

1632
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:44,280
But you can't like do that if 
you're Uber rich and you're 

1633
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:46,640
like, and then my Butler did 
this. 

1634
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:49,720
Isn't that. 
Don't we all know what it's like

1635
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:53,040
when your Butler takes a day off
and doesn't tell you? 

1636
01:30:53,480 --> 01:30:56,640
Ha ha ha, you know? 
Exactly. 

1637
01:30:57,080 --> 01:31:00,000
Yeah. 
So that had happened. 

1638
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,840
And so I think that was already 
rubbing people the wrong way. 

1639
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:06,680
And then the pandemic hit. 
Yeah, and. 

1640
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:11,960
Then people just had a lot of 
time on their hands and people 

1641
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:14,760
started cancelling each other 
left and right. 

1642
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:21,880
And Ellen became a target for 
people sifting through all of 

1643
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:24,680
her interviews and tweeting 
about her. 

1644
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:28,240
And I would say this was the 
second cancellation in Ellen's 

1645
01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:29,600
career. 
Oh. 

1646
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:31,800
Would you say the first was for 
being gay? 

1647
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:34,040
Yeah. 
I mean, I don't think that was 

1648
01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:37,760
really a term back then, but 
yeah, I would say that she was. 

1649
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:38,560
Cancelled. 
Yeah. 

1650
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:40,480
She was literally cancelled. 
Yeah. 

1651
01:31:40,480 --> 01:31:41,600
Literally, she was. 
Cancelled. 

1652
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:45,520
And then this happened. 
So, yeah, people were talking 

1653
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:48,800
about how, oh, Ellen isn't as 
nice as you would think. 

1654
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:53,480
And one thing that really 
spurred this discussion was when

1655
01:31:53,480 --> 01:31:56,640
she had Dakota Johnson, the 
actress on her show. 

1656
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:59,640
And I, I have the clip, but you 
guys have probably seen it, 

1657
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:00,240
right? 
Yeah. 

1658
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:03,400
Yeah, actually. 
That's not true, Ellen. 

1659
01:32:03,400 --> 01:32:05,760
You were invited. 
So. 

1660
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:08,080
I don't know if you if we should
be watch it right now, but I 

1661
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:10,160
I'll play the clip. 
I won't invite. 

1662
01:32:10,160 --> 01:32:11,920
Anyone hasn't seen it? 
That's my. 

1663
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:12,480
Impression. 
Yeah. 

1664
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:15,720
Happy belated birthday. 
When was your birthday? 

1665
01:32:16,440 --> 01:32:20,680
It was October 4th. 
October 4th you turned 30. 

1666
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:23,200
I did. 
And how was the party? 

1667
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:26,400
I wasn't invited. 
Actually, no, that's not the 

1668
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:28,920
truth, Ellen. 
You were invited last. 

1669
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:31,400
No. 
Last time I was on the show last

1670
01:32:31,400 --> 01:32:34,760
year, you gave me a bunch about 
not inviting you, but I didn't 

1671
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:36,240
even know you wanted to be 
invited. 

1672
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:38,720
Well, who didn't even be invited
to a party? 

1673
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:40,160
Well, I. 
Didn't even know you liked me 

1674
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:42,880
of. 
Course I like you. 

1675
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:46,120
You knew I liked you. 
You've been on the show many 

1676
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:52,040
times and and don't I show like?
Yeah, but I did invite you and 

1677
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:53,760
you didn't come. 
So this. 

1678
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:54,760
Time. 
You invited me? 

1679
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:55,920
Yeah. 
Are you sure? 

1680
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:57,160
Yeah. 
How do you know? 

1681
01:32:57,160 --> 01:32:59,200
I don't think so. 
Ask everybody. 

1682
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:04,720
Ask Jonathan, your producer, who
thought you were. 

1683
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:07,160
I was invited. 
Why didn't I go? 

1684
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:10,560
I don't know. 
Was it? 

1685
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:13,200
Was it? 
Oh, yeah, I had that thing. 

1686
01:33:16,480 --> 01:33:19,040
It was probably in Malibu. 
That's too far for me to go to, 

1687
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:20,840
yeah. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1688
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:22,840
No, I think I do remember I was 
invited. 

1689
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:23,360
Thank you. 
You're. 

1690
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:25,640
Welcome that. 
Was the party. 

1691
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:28,560
I wasn't invited. 
That's not true. 

1692
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:32,320
I mean, you know why I do feel 
bad for Ellen in this club 

1693
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:33,840
because everyone was like, me 
too. 

1694
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:37,080
She's calling her out, but it's 
like Ellen is a talk show host. 

1695
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:42,120
A lot of these interactions with
their guests are not scripted, 

1696
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:44,960
but like, it's not a real 
conversation. 

1697
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:47,160
Ellen is meant to contain 
people. 

1698
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:51,400
And sometimes that means being 
like, that means being funny. 

1699
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:53,760
And sometimes that is like 
making little jokes like that. 

1700
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:55,040
Like how was the party? 
I wasn't invited. 

1701
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:57,840
Like it's not, it's people are 
so stupid. 

1702
01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:00,480
Like it's literally, they're so 
stupid. 

1703
01:34:01,440 --> 01:34:02,240
She. 
Might have even. 

1704
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:05,600
Known that she was invited but 
just said that like to be funny 

1705
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:07,520
and I don't. 
Know yeah it just. 

1706
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:10,400
Kind of backfires, I guess 
Dakota Johnson just wasn't 

1707
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:12,840
playing off of the joke or 
whatever. 

1708
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:17,160
I don't know. 
Or, or dry humor just didn't the

1709
01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:22,080
tone that Ellen was Dakotas. 
Yeah, 'cause Dakota's just 

1710
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:24,960
didn't have delivery. 
Yeah, it's not. 

1711
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:28,280
Well, maybe she was trying to be
like, actually you were invited,

1712
01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:31,080
but just came off like, actually
you were invited. 

1713
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:35,200
I don't know. 
I just think I'm off, right? 

1714
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:40,040
I feel like this is an unpopular
opinion, but I find Dakota 

1715
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:42,440
Johnson very weird in that 
interview. 

1716
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:46,120
Kind of like a wet blanket. 
Yeah, she just took it way too 

1717
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:49,680
seriously. 
I think cuz there was there was 

1718
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:54,640
something before where last time
she was on it, Ellen was giving 

1719
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:59,080
Flack for not inviting her. 
So then the second time Ellen 

1720
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:02,080
was giving her Flack for not 
inviting her, she was like but 

1721
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:05,600
you were invited. 
I don't know so I can. 

1722
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:08,320
OK, but Ellen is Ellen. 
Is Ellen. 

1723
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:11,760
OK? 
Like, she is the host of this 

1724
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:14,040
daily talk show. 
She sees so many people. 

1725
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:16,720
She's like Oprah, I mean. 
Yeah, do you really? 

1726
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:19,280
Expect Ellen to go to, like, 
everything. 

1727
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:22,400
She's probably so freaking busy.
I know Oprah has talked about, 

1728
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:25,560
like, how she has to say no to 
so many things. 

1729
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:28,800
Yeah, like, constantly. 
She's asked to do like 15 things

1730
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:30,720
a day. 
Yeah. 

1731
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:33,280
I actually like not relatable, 
but Ellen, you can't just like 

1732
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:36,200
invite Ellen to your party and 
expect her to go I've. 

1733
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:39,960
Seen Ellen make that joke with a
lot of people cuz like that's 

1734
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:42,000
like kind of, yeah, a cliche 
thing. 

1735
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:44,280
People talk about their big 
birthday party that they had on 

1736
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:47,320
the talk show. 
And I have seen her make that 

1737
01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:48,520
joke. 
I wasn't invited. 

1738
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:51,240
It's like, I just think it's 
like kind of a throwaway joke, 

1739
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:54,520
especially when you do a talk 
show every single day. 

1740
01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:58,400
Sometimes you have to just like 
those same like easy low hanging

1741
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:01,200
fruit jokes and like, yeah, 
maybe some people might think 

1742
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:05,840
that's boring and hacky, but 
it's meant to be a comedy show, 

1743
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:08,560
So what do you expect? 
I don't know. 

1744
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:12,440
I think also part of it is 
'cause maybe it's just continued

1745
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:16,000
Gen. 
X humor or something like that, 

1746
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:19,440
that maybe these people or Gen. 
C don't find funny and like you 

1747
01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:21,160
said, like it's low hanging 
fruit. 

1748
01:36:21,160 --> 01:36:25,760
So they just don't take it as a 
joke, you know? 

1749
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:30,200
Someone in Ellen's position 
would have an assistant managing

1750
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:33,600
stuff like that too, so it would
be really hard to remember what 

1751
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:38,320
you are invited to. 
Yeah, Didn't someone say maybe 

1752
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:41,000
I'm pulling this out of my ass, 
Maybe it's not real, that when 

1753
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:44,000
she was supposed to go to the 
party, she was at that tennis 

1754
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:45,840
game with George Bush or 
something. 

1755
01:36:46,040 --> 01:36:48,320
Oh, maybe. 
And so then people were like, 

1756
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:52,400
even more like. 
I don't know what her deal is 

1757
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:56,040
with George Bush. 
Yeah, that's a little weird, but

1758
01:36:56,440 --> 01:36:58,320
I think that was one of the 
reasons she was always getting 

1759
01:36:58,320 --> 01:36:59,400
cancelled. 
I don't know if you're going to 

1760
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:02,320
touch on that because she's 
friends with George Bush, even 

1761
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:05,040
though their politics don't 
really align. 

1762
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:07,760
So I. 
Know it's so weird because she 

1763
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:11,360
seems to hate Trump too so I'm 
like, I don't know what's going 

1764
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:16,160
on. 
I feel like with Ellen, people 

1765
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:18,920
were just like, I mean, I 
remember hearing I actually had 

1766
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:20,760
a falling out with a friend 
because. 

1767
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:23,800
She because of. 
Ellen. 

1768
01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:26,120
Because. 
Of Ellen. 

1769
01:37:26,440 --> 01:37:31,480
It was about Ellen and somewhat 
applying for this friend at the 

1770
01:37:31,480 --> 01:37:33,760
time. 
I wish her the best, I truly do.

1771
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:36,880
But she was applying for 
internships and she applied for 

1772
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:38,320
Ellen and she thought she was 
going to get it. 

1773
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:41,080
And then she didn't get it. 
And I said, oh, I actually have 

1774
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:43,200
heard rumors that she might be a
bit of a diva. 

1775
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:45,640
This was way before this. 
This was like 2016. 

1776
01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:49,720
And the friend kind of got mad 
at me and was like, no, she's 

1777
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:52,640
not a diva. 
Like, yeah, I was just saying 

1778
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:55,360
that to be helpful, you know? 
Oh, maybe it's for the best that

1779
01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:58,200
you didn't get it. 
And anyways, that was kind of 

1780
01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:00,240
like the end of our friendship. 
But again, I wish her the best. 

1781
01:38:00,240 --> 01:38:03,520
But end. 
Of your friendship, That's an 

1782
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:07,240
insane reason, no? 
No, no, it was straw that broke 

1783
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:09,720
the camel's bag. 
I was like, OK, I was trying to 

1784
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:13,480
be nice by saying something to 
comfort you and you're getting 

1785
01:38:13,480 --> 01:38:16,560
mad at me about it. 
So I was like, weird. 

1786
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:18,760
Wish you the best, but we don't 
need to be. 

1787
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:20,080
Thanks. 
Ellen. 

1788
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:24,200
Yeah, but it was like, 
literally, it was over, Ellen. 

1789
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:27,560
That's so crazy. 
And then it was just so funny 

1790
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:30,640
because then four years later, 
like everyone was cancelling 

1791
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:34,840
Ellen for being a DJ. 
But really? 

1792
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:37,040
I feel. 
Like you, I feel like you were 

1793
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:38,960
like sticking up for Ellen. 
Weird. 

1794
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:42,000
I. 
Am well, well, yeah, I just said

1795
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:44,240
that like, oh, maybe it's for 
the best that you don't work for

1796
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:49,480
her, but I do think that it's 
it's just the way it is. 

1797
01:38:49,480 --> 01:38:55,720
A lot of people in positions 
like her are kind of a strict 

1798
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:59,040
boss. 
And I mean, it's kind of natural

1799
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:02,760
to like hate the person at the 
top in any working condition. 

1800
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:06,520
And sometimes like they might be
creating a toxic work 

1801
01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:09,720
environment, but that doesn't 
necessarily mean that they are a

1802
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:13,320
bad person. 
It is People should always 

1803
01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:16,040
strive to be better. 
They should always strive to be 

1804
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:18,720
a good leader and be nice to 
people. 

1805
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:25,080
But I just feel like the uproar 
about Ellen's behavior was like 

1806
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:28,760
disproportionate to what she 
actually did. 

1807
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:32,160
And I think a lot of it comes 
from a place where they were 

1808
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:36,080
holding her to a different 
standard because of what you 

1809
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:38,880
said. 
She was to be kind lady and she 

1810
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:42,440
was funny. 
And when someone who is always 

1811
01:39:42,480 --> 01:39:45,680
funny and seen as you would be 
like what like? 

1812
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:49,920
But we don't own these people. 
They are not obligated to be 

1813
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:54,280
funny and nice all the time, 
Ellen has said. 

1814
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:56,960
Like people, when they would see
her, would always tell her to. 

1815
01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:01,840
Dance or expect her to be to 
dance or just expected her to be

1816
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:04,800
funny. 
And I think that might have 

1817
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:07,840
really started to aggravate her 
and become difficult, like 

1818
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:11,480
because she is just a real human
being, but her character on the 

1819
01:40:11,480 --> 01:40:14,240
show is. 
Very, I mean pulse pranks and 

1820
01:40:14,240 --> 01:40:16,920
everything, but kind of like 
wholesome type of humor. 

1821
01:40:16,920 --> 01:40:18,920
And it's not really who Ellen 
is. 

1822
01:40:18,920 --> 01:40:21,640
It really isn't. 
I think in real life she is like

1823
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:25,520
more, I don't know, crass, but 
like down to earth and just like

1824
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:27,960
normal. 
So what you were saying, there's

1825
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:30,440
like two things happening at the
same time. 

1826
01:40:30,440 --> 01:40:32,760
When this goes down, there's 
people talking about how Ellen 

1827
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:35,520
isn't nice. 
And it really kicks off because 

1828
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:39,240
this guy, so-called comedian 
Kevin T Porter started of 

1829
01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:42,600
Twitter thread where he said 
Ellen de Generes is notoriously 

1830
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:45,800
one of the meanest people alive.
Everybody tell me your stories 

1831
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:48,720
of when Ellen was mean or 
something. 

1832
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:53,800
And it got like 70,000 likes and
all these people were responding

1833
01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:56,520
to it, telling stories about 
Ellen, some people saying like 

1834
01:40:57,000 --> 01:41:00,560
she was told to never look her 
in the eyes. 

1835
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:03,000
When? 
She was on the Ellen Show and 

1836
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:05,920
another person claimed that 
every day Ellen picks someone 

1837
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:10,320
different to hate and that Ellen
had someone fired for wearing 

1838
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:12,760
chipped nail Polish while 
serving her food. 

1839
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:15,600
However, there's no proof to any
of this. 

1840
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:17,680
Like it's all just tweets, you 
know? 

1841
01:41:18,160 --> 01:41:21,280
I mean, some of it could be 
true, but like, it's really just

1842
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:24,480
random people tweeting stuff. 
We don't know if any of this is 

1843
01:41:24,480 --> 01:41:25,960
true. 
It could be totally made-up. 

1844
01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:29,680
But simultaneously, there were 
these news reports coming out 

1845
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:34,560
that crew members on The Ellen 
Show were saying that producers 

1846
01:41:34,840 --> 01:41:37,440
had not treated them well during
the pandemic like that. 

1847
01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:39,880
They didn't tell them anything 
about the status of their 

1848
01:41:39,880 --> 01:41:42,920
working hours, pay, inquiries 
about their mental and physical 

1849
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:46,720
health or whatever. 
And then people were saying that

1850
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:50,360
some of the executives on The 
Ellen Show were problematic, 

1851
01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:54,520
that there were incidents of 
harassment and sexual misconduct

1852
01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:59,720
and assault from top producers, 
specifically from the executive 

1853
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:04,000
producer Kevin Lehman, executive
producer Ed Glavin and Co 

1854
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:06,840
executive producer Jonathan 
Norman for inappropriate 

1855
01:42:07,120 --> 01:42:09,280
behavior. 
So like the all of this is 

1856
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:11,040
coming out. 
That is like a toxic work 

1857
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:15,440
environment. 
But like, is it really Ellen's 

1858
01:42:15,440 --> 01:42:18,880
fault? 
And like that's up for debate. 

1859
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:22,320
But I do think it's like a tough
situation because Ellen is just 

1860
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:25,040
a comedian. 
She's not really like a business

1861
01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:28,720
person. 
Like, we don't know how involved

1862
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:33,040
she really is with like, this 
whole show and these guys and if

1863
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:36,000
she was OK with it or whatever. 
But I feel like two things were 

1864
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:37,920
happening at the same time where
people were saying, like, 

1865
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:39,840
Ellen's mean. 
And then there was like, oh, 

1866
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:42,240
this whole thing about the 
workplace. 

1867
01:42:42,440 --> 01:42:45,400
And that really sucks if if 
people were being assaulted and 

1868
01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:46,960
such. 
But it wasn't like Ellen was 

1869
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:49,320
doing it. 
And I don't even know if Ellen 

1870
01:42:49,320 --> 01:42:51,720
necessarily knew. 
Yeah. 

1871
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:54,440
And I mean stuff like that is 
tricky in the. 

1872
01:42:54,440 --> 01:42:58,600
Workplace because if there's an 
investigation going on, like 

1873
01:42:58,680 --> 01:43:02,760
Ellen is only probably Privy to 
so much information. 

1874
01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:07,360
And yeah, I was wondering, like,
is Ellen even the boss 

1875
01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:09,440
technically or is it? 
Like the network? 

1876
01:43:09,680 --> 01:43:12,880
Yeah, I don't know how that 
works in network TVI don't know 

1877
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:16,040
like if. 
She's also a producer maybe. 

1878
01:43:16,040 --> 01:43:18,360
She's also technically kind of a
boss. 

1879
01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:21,640
Obviously she has power. 
I think that's why people assume

1880
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:23,480
even if she. 
Didn't really know what was 

1881
01:43:23,480 --> 01:43:25,920
happening. 
She might have been involved in 

1882
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:33,280
there hiring or if that's going 
on in your company, if it was 

1883
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:36,000
kind of a part of her company or
if she owned any sort of stake 

1884
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:41,320
in it and you had your name 
attached to it, then there is 

1885
01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:43,480
some liability. 
That's what I meant to say, 

1886
01:43:43,680 --> 01:43:45,520
yeah. 
But I guess we just don't know 

1887
01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:51,040
behind the scenes. 
Like how much she was involved 

1888
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:54,000
and like they had to do an 
investigation and before getting

1889
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:56,680
these people fired. 
And, you know, like, we don't 

1890
01:43:56,680 --> 01:43:59,320
know, like in terms of it 
getting leaked to the press, how

1891
01:43:59,320 --> 01:44:02,480
long it had been going on for 
and what people know or don't 

1892
01:44:02,480 --> 01:44:03,680
know. 
I mean, this happens in 

1893
01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:09,640
workplaces and it happens 
sometimes oblivious to other 

1894
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:12,600
people. 
I can just imagine my I guess 

1895
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:14,560
I'll say like places I've 
worked. 

1896
01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:18,440
Or maybe you guys can relate. 
Like, I do think sometimes the 

1897
01:44:18,440 --> 01:44:21,800
highest people, the highest up 
don't know what's going on. 

1898
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:23,600
They have no idea what's going 
on. 

1899
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:26,080
Yeah, they don't, I think. 
I think people don't. 

1900
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:28,800
Want them to know? 
Sometimes that like it's such a 

1901
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:35,360
shit show or maybe they're 
afraid I don't to complain or I 

1902
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:38,320
I don't know. 
Or it just maybe the people seem

1903
01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:40,840
way too busy. 
It's like I can't bother them or

1904
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:43,040
I don't know. 
I can believe that maybe she 

1905
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:46,680
didn't know that's I'm. 
I could be being way too 

1906
01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:51,440
gracious here, but just from my 
experience in like corporate 

1907
01:44:51,440 --> 01:44:54,040
settings and at the end of the 
day, this is just a business. 

1908
01:44:54,040 --> 01:44:57,800
Like I can just imagine that 
people wouldn't know everything 

1909
01:44:57,800 --> 01:45:01,120
going on. 
Yeah, and I do believe like she 

1910
01:45:01,120 --> 01:45:06,480
was not a great boss, but. 
That's just case for a lot of 

1911
01:45:06,480 --> 01:45:08,840
people. 
A lot of people are bad bosses, 

1912
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:10,920
good people. 
We've all worked with someone 

1913
01:45:10,920 --> 01:45:12,840
like that. 
And I don't necessarily mean 

1914
01:45:12,840 --> 01:45:15,240
that means that the whole world 
has to hate them for it. 

1915
01:45:15,320 --> 01:45:19,160
Yeah, I think it was just so 
many things at. 

1916
01:45:19,160 --> 01:45:23,040
Once, like you said. 
That and it was the Dakota 

1917
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:28,440
Johnson may be mean to some past
celebrity guests thing 'cause I 

1918
01:45:28,440 --> 01:45:31,960
think there was another and 
Ellen said that quarantine felt 

1919
01:45:31,960 --> 01:45:33,080
like. 
Jail. 

1920
01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:35,520
Yeah. 
So there was that, yeah. 

1921
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:38,840
A lot to do with COVID. 
Restrictions and filming from 

1922
01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:42,520
her house and lots that people 
didn't like about that. 

1923
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:46,680
And I think there was some 
pressure with I think forcing 

1924
01:45:46,680 --> 01:45:49,160
Mariah Carey to announce 
pregnancy or something. 

1925
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:53,720
So there were they past things 
that were coming out as. 

1926
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:58,280
Well, yeah, like. 
Old things where I think somehow

1927
01:45:58,280 --> 01:46:00,760
got Mariah Carey to announce 
that she was pregnant and then 

1928
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:03,400
Mariah Carey before she was 
ready to, and then Mariah Carey 

1929
01:46:03,400 --> 01:46:06,960
ended up having a miscarriage. 
So then it just became kind of, 

1930
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:10,840
that's not Ellen's fault. 
Well, it was Ellen for forcing. 

1931
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:12,520
The information out of her but 
anyway. 

1932
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:17,600
And then then there was like 
that George Bush thing. 

1933
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:21,520
So there was just a lot going on
at once because everybody was 

1934
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:23,680
kind of digging up dirt on 
Ellen. 

1935
01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:25,920
So it was just a lot all at 
once. 

1936
01:46:26,160 --> 01:46:29,360
I feel like this just gets keeps
getting more and more 

1937
01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:32,120
intensified. 
In the age of social media, like

1938
01:46:32,600 --> 01:46:36,160
you got 1 little thing that's 
bad about someone and then it 

1939
01:46:36,160 --> 01:46:38,920
snowballs and then all of a 
sudden like we are pulling every

1940
01:46:38,920 --> 01:46:41,880
single moment when they said 
something wrong or they came 

1941
01:46:41,880 --> 01:46:44,320
across unlikeable. 
And if you're a talk show host 

1942
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:48,800
like Ellen, you're going to have
so many, just so much footage of

1943
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:51,880
you where like maybe that day or
thousands of hours. 

1944
01:46:51,880 --> 01:46:54,000
Yeah. 
And like you're going to be 

1945
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:55,720
able. 
To find clips where you're being

1946
01:46:55,720 --> 01:46:57,120
rude. 
Because we're all rude 

1947
01:46:57,120 --> 01:47:02,280
sometimes, especially since her 
career stretched on for decades.

1948
01:47:02,280 --> 01:47:08,120
At that point, and obviously she
was working before it was even 

1949
01:47:08,120 --> 01:47:13,040
as a lesbian woman, like before 
it was encouraged to be PC, you 

1950
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:17,240
know, yeah, I kind of feel like 
people do this with every 

1951
01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:18,760
single. 
Talk show host nowadays like 

1952
01:47:18,760 --> 01:47:22,320
maybe not like Kelly Clarkson or
Jennifer Hudson, but especially 

1953
01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:25,640
the late night talk show host, 
everyone acts like they are all 

1954
01:47:25,640 --> 01:47:28,960
scum of the earth. 
It like I know like one of them 

1955
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:32,760
where you're like, I I hate 
Jimmy Fallon, I hate him. 

1956
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:38,080
I hate James Corden, I hate him.
And it's like, what For what? 

1957
01:47:39,960 --> 01:47:42,600
OK, I will say. 
I. 

1958
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:45,640
Don't really like. 
Some of them, but I. 

1959
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:46,920
Think it's just. 
Because people find them 

1960
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:48,560
annoying. 
I think that's it. 

1961
01:47:49,120 --> 01:47:51,400
But it's just like I know. 
And then I think people want to 

1962
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:53,120
validate. 
Their. 

1963
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:55,760
Uncomfortable feelings or 
whatever. 

1964
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:58,600
So they try to find some. 
Like instead of just admitting 

1965
01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:01,600
that you're kind of uptight or a
jerk or something for just 

1966
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:03,560
finding someone annoying, it's 
like, no, I have to find a 

1967
01:48:03,560 --> 01:48:06,560
reason why they are the problem.
Yeah. 

1968
01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:10,280
Dig through interviews and 
justify. 

1969
01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:13,040
Your. 
Dislike for somebody just don't 

1970
01:48:13,040 --> 01:48:16,320
watch them but I feel like 
especially being a talk. 

1971
01:48:16,320 --> 01:48:18,480
Show host is a hard job. 
Like my brother's a stand up 

1972
01:48:18,480 --> 01:48:22,840
comedian and like the amount I 
mean, obviously these talk show 

1973
01:48:22,840 --> 01:48:26,720
hosts do have writers, but like 
it is hard to be funny all the 

1974
01:48:26,720 --> 01:48:29,400
time. 
And they're doing shows five 

1975
01:48:29,400 --> 01:48:32,240
days a week. 
So there's gonna be times when 

1976
01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:35,840
like your jokes just like aren't
funny and like they miss and 

1977
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:39,440
like that's a part of the job. 
They you don't know what is 

1978
01:48:39,440 --> 01:48:42,320
going on in their lives. 
They can be having a terrible 

1979
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:44,560
day. 
It's like someone in their life 

1980
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:47,160
is dying and they have to show 
up and make you laugh. 

1981
01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:50,680
That's not always gonna come 
across perfectly the way you 

1982
01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:53,000
would want it to. 
Yeah. 

1983
01:48:53,040 --> 01:48:55,680
Yeah. 
I mean, I do agree like. 

1984
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:58,960
I'm sure as I said. 
Like, I do think Ellen can be 

1985
01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:01,600
grumpy and like I hate people 
type of person. 

1986
01:49:02,040 --> 01:49:05,640
I do. 
And I can imagine that she can 

1987
01:49:05,640 --> 01:49:10,920
be sharp with people sometimes. 
And after all of this was coming

1988
01:49:10,920 --> 01:49:14,280
out, Portia did defend her wife 
Ellen. 

1989
01:49:14,280 --> 01:49:18,880
She posted an image on Instagram
that read I stand by Ellen with 

1990
01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:22,720
the caption to all our fans, dot
dot dot, we see you. 

1991
01:49:23,160 --> 01:49:27,280
Thank you for your support. 
Hashtag stop bot attacks Hashtag

1992
01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:31,480
I stand with Ellen DeGeneres. 
Hashtag I stand by Ellen hashtag

1993
01:49:31,480 --> 01:49:35,320
I stand by Ellen DeGeneres. 
So she's showing, showing her 

1994
01:49:35,320 --> 01:49:39,560
support for her wife on and on 
top of all of this, Ellen and 

1995
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:43,680
Porsche home was actually 
burglarized that summer 2022 and

1996
01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:46,000
apparently they were home while 
it happened. 

1997
01:49:46,400 --> 01:49:50,520
Ellen did apologize more than 
once and staffing changes were 

1998
01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:55,200
made, but still, Ellen announced
in May 2021 that her talk show 

1999
01:49:55,200 --> 01:49:58,000
was ending after nearly two 
decades. 

2000
01:49:58,200 --> 01:50:01,680
And Portia did come on one of 
the very last episodes. 

2001
01:50:01,880 --> 01:50:06,440
And I thought it was very sweet.
And it could have been just for 

2002
01:50:06,440 --> 01:50:09,040
damage control for Ellen's 
reputation, I think. 

2003
01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:13,280
But Portia did really like talk 
highly of Ellen in this clip. 

2004
01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:18,160
So this is I think my last clip 
that I'm going to play, I think.

2005
01:50:18,160 --> 01:50:20,680
So here it is. 
Hi. 

2006
01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:21,360
Hi. 
What? 

2007
01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:24,520
Do you want to talk about? 
Really. 

2008
01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:29,160
Well, you actually all right. 
I mean, let's. 

2009
01:50:29,160 --> 01:50:32,120
Let's talk about stuff, OK? 
Talk about stuff like. 

2010
01:50:32,120 --> 01:50:36,000
What? 
Well, let's see. 

2011
01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:38,440
Well, I. 
Know you better than anyone. 

2012
01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:41,000
I think you'd agree, yes, you 
do, You know, it'd be better 

2013
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:43,560
than anyone, better than anyone.
And there's certain. 

2014
01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:45,720
Things that I think other people
should know about. 

2015
01:50:46,080 --> 01:50:51,200
Like for example, this woman 
never reads her own press ever. 

2016
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:54,600
She's just doesn't I I read it 
for her sometimes, but she never

2017
01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:55,960
reads it. 
What else? 

2018
01:50:57,080 --> 01:50:59,680
She has no idea how many awards 
she's won. 

2019
01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:02,720
She doesn't even care to tell me
when she's nominated for 

2020
01:51:02,720 --> 01:51:06,680
something ever. 
And then when she comes home 

2021
01:51:06,680 --> 01:51:10,280
from work, she never talks about
the celebrity guest. 

2022
01:51:10,360 --> 01:51:14,200
She always talks about that 
special person that was in this 

2023
01:51:14,200 --> 01:51:17,840
chair that really affected her 
and touched her because they did

2024
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:20,160
something amazing for for other 
people. 

2025
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:22,200
And that's what she talked 
about. 

2026
01:51:22,200 --> 01:51:25,960
It's true. 
It's true. 

2027
01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:29,000
Yeah. 
It's. 

2028
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:30,280
True. 
It is true. 

2029
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:31,960
Yeah, yeah. 
And then think. 

2030
01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:35,480
About it like that, well, I, I. 
Want. 

2031
01:51:35,480 --> 01:51:37,840
To say because, you know, 
obviously it's it's weird to 

2032
01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:40,240
interview her because I know 
everything about her. 

2033
01:51:40,240 --> 01:51:44,080
So to ask questions is silly. 
But this, this is really. 

2034
01:51:44,480 --> 01:51:48,560
You came into my life on the 
second season of this show. 

2035
01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:54,080
We've been together for 17 years
and a half and so and a half. 

2036
01:51:54,200 --> 01:51:59,120
Yeah, so so with this show 
ending you. 

2037
01:51:59,120 --> 01:52:01,560
Know it's actually. 
You know, a big thing for both 

2038
01:52:01,560 --> 01:52:04,480
of us because we've both. 
You've watched me go through 

2039
01:52:04,480 --> 01:52:08,920
everything with this show, but I
I learned today that which I 

2040
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:13,800
didn't know there's a story of 
watching me the first show. 

2041
01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:17,280
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
So you know I was an. 

2042
01:52:17,280 --> 01:52:23,960
Actress and I was closeted and 
Ellen was kind of like the 

2043
01:52:23,960 --> 01:52:28,280
litmus test for for young actors
in Hollywood because we just, 

2044
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:30,760
you know, her success meant so 
much to us. 

2045
01:52:30,760 --> 01:52:34,800
It kind of meant can I be 
authentic and honest and still 

2046
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:39,200
be able to pay the rent? 
You know, So I remember watching

2047
01:52:39,240 --> 01:52:43,480
the first episode of this show 
standing the entire time. 

2048
01:52:44,440 --> 01:52:48,120
And I remember I was alone. 
I remember saying out loud to 

2049
01:52:48,120 --> 01:52:58,320
the TV she did it and I yeah, 
yeah. 

2050
01:52:58,320 --> 01:53:00,640
Because I mean, you could just. 
Feel the magic. 

2051
01:53:00,920 --> 01:53:04,000
Oh my gosh, I'm emotional. 
Already, that's terrible. 

2052
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:05,160
No, but you can. 
You can. 

2053
01:53:05,160 --> 01:53:06,560
You can feel the magic in the 
show. 

2054
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:09,400
And I just knew that it was 
going to be around for as long 

2055
01:53:09,400 --> 01:53:12,160
as you wanted it to be. 
Yeah, well, I didn't. 

2056
01:53:12,160 --> 01:53:14,080
I didn't know that that's how 
you watch the show. 

2057
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:17,040
I didn't know you didn't have. 
Furniture then, but I feel like 

2058
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:19,800
Ellen looked so small and kind 
of. 

2059
01:53:19,800 --> 01:53:24,000
Sad, I know. 
Maybe touched in that clip. 

2060
01:53:25,480 --> 01:53:27,200
It's very old. 
Yeah. 

2061
01:53:27,400 --> 01:53:28,680
Yeah, she's older. 
Old. 

2062
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:32,280
And kind of. 
Tired, but she doesn't. 

2063
01:53:32,280 --> 01:53:33,840
Kind of. 
Worn. 

2064
01:53:34,160 --> 01:53:35,720
It's good that she doesn't read 
press. 

2065
01:53:35,720 --> 01:53:37,880
About her though. 
Yeah. 

2066
01:53:38,040 --> 01:53:39,800
Which is kind of surprising. 
I don't know. 

2067
01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:42,480
Yeah, I thought. 
She felt like the person who 

2068
01:53:42,480 --> 01:53:45,080
would have, but I guess that's 
good that she doesn't. 

2069
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:47,400
I mean, this is my thing about 
you. 

2070
01:53:47,400 --> 01:53:49,120
Just you just said that Ellen 
was old, so. 

2071
01:53:49,120 --> 01:53:52,480
That made me think of this. 
My thing with Ellen and why I 

2072
01:53:52,480 --> 01:53:55,480
think people need to kind of 
chill out is, and I've said this

2073
01:53:55,480 --> 01:53:59,000
before in the podcast, I know 
that when she dies, which guys, 

2074
01:53:59,040 --> 01:54:03,120
it will happen someday. 
I mean, she is in her 60s. 

2075
01:54:03,240 --> 01:54:06,080
It could be next year. 
It could be 20 years from now. 

2076
01:54:06,080 --> 01:54:07,400
But when? 
Oh, my God. 

2077
01:54:08,320 --> 01:54:11,280
OK, OK, cut that out. 
Cut that out. 

2078
01:54:12,200 --> 01:54:14,080
No, keep it. 
No, I mean. 

2079
01:54:14,120 --> 01:54:16,840
Cheaper. 
People need to know. 

2080
01:54:16,840 --> 01:54:21,880
It could really happen, yes. 
And I know when Ellen dies 

2081
01:54:21,880 --> 01:54:24,680
someday. 
The switch up is going to be so 

2082
01:54:24,680 --> 01:54:28,040
fucking fast. 
You guys are going to be 

2083
01:54:28,120 --> 01:54:29,640
mourning. 
You're going to be grieving 

2084
01:54:29,640 --> 01:54:32,400
because someone who was in your 
home and you're living for all 

2085
01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:35,520
this time, who made you laugh. 
At some point, she made you 

2086
01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:37,040
laugh. 
I don't know when it was. 

2087
01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:39,280
I don't know when it stopped, 
but she did. 

2088
01:54:39,680 --> 01:54:43,600
She made you laugh, and you. 
Guys are going. 

2089
01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:46,720
To be like, Oh my God, she was 
my child. 

2090
01:54:47,320 --> 01:54:49,080
She was my this. 
She was my that. 

2091
01:54:49,080 --> 01:54:51,880
And you know what? 
I don't want to hear it because.

2092
01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:56,400
Yep, you have to give people 
their grace. 

2093
01:54:56,400 --> 01:55:00,320
And their forgiveness. 
And empathy while they are 

2094
01:55:00,320 --> 01:55:01,960
alive. 
It happens all the time with 

2095
01:55:01,960 --> 01:55:04,280
these celebrities. 
You guys act like you were a fan

2096
01:55:04,280 --> 01:55:07,560
all along even though you were 
making fun of them or canceling 

2097
01:55:07,560 --> 01:55:08,760
them. 
And sometimes it's for a good 

2098
01:55:08,760 --> 01:55:10,400
reason. 
I was a little surprised. 

2099
01:55:10,440 --> 01:55:13,680
Don't cancel me when Michael 
Jackson died and everyone acted 

2100
01:55:13,680 --> 01:55:16,520
like they were like the biggest 
Michael Jackson fan in the whole

2101
01:55:16,520 --> 01:55:19,920
world. 
Yeah, it's like for the last 10 

2102
01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:21,640
years. 
You guys have been kind of like 

2103
01:55:21,640 --> 01:55:24,280
making fun of him or? 
I mean, with, I think good 

2104
01:55:24,280 --> 01:55:27,800
reason, you know, he did have 
some very problematic stuff 

2105
01:55:27,800 --> 01:55:33,280
going on, but it always happens 
and I know, I know for sure it's

2106
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:34,680
going to happen. 
With Ellen someday. 

2107
01:55:35,800 --> 01:55:38,760
I've already heard a little bit 
of a switch up, but not. 

2108
01:55:38,840 --> 01:55:44,640
In necessarily good way, but I 
think it could lead to a full 

2109
01:55:44,640 --> 01:55:47,560
blown resurgence of her career 
potentially. 

2110
01:55:47,880 --> 01:55:52,880
The only thing is that I've seen
is people are saying like, oh, 

2111
01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:57,200
we need to bring Ellen back. 
Or there was a reason Ellen was 

2112
01:55:57,200 --> 01:56:03,120
around or is a good thing she 
was around because because she 

2113
01:56:03,120 --> 01:56:07,080
was important to the landscape 
of pop culture in a way. 

2114
01:56:07,080 --> 01:56:11,840
Because there would be all these
like micro celebrities and micro

2115
01:56:11,960 --> 01:56:17,000
people who got viral and then 
they would go on to Ellen and 

2116
01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:20,960
they would become like instantly
forgettable or like their 15 

2117
01:56:20,960 --> 01:56:24,520
minutes of fame would go away. 
But now without Ellen, they're 

2118
01:56:24,520 --> 01:56:29,200
not going on her show. 
They now just continue on the 

2119
01:56:29,320 --> 01:56:32,800
online and they like, get 
podcasts this and they do this 

2120
01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:35,960
and they just don't go away. 
Like their 15 minutes of fame 

2121
01:56:35,960 --> 01:56:41,280
don't end. 
And we were like, Ellen used to 

2122
01:56:41,280 --> 01:56:44,280
basically like, invite them on. 
And then the joke would be kind 

2123
01:56:44,280 --> 01:56:48,040
of over and that would be it. 
And people would get their feel 

2124
01:56:48,040 --> 01:56:51,360
of that person. 
And then we would, yeah, we 

2125
01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:53,960
would never hear those people 
ever again. 

2126
01:56:54,560 --> 01:56:57,560
And so people are like, if only 
Ellen was still around when 

2127
01:56:57,560 --> 01:57:00,800
Haktua or whatever came out. 
Oh my God. 

2128
01:57:00,920 --> 01:57:03,960
And then yeah, the joke would be
ruined after that. 

2129
01:57:04,240 --> 01:57:05,920
Yeah, it's like kind of like we 
don't know where to. 

2130
01:57:06,240 --> 01:57:08,160
But yeah, it's like we don't 
know where to put. 

2131
01:57:08,160 --> 01:57:12,840
These people now, yeah, like put
them on Ellen so that they can 

2132
01:57:12,840 --> 01:57:15,720
disappear into. 
The ether of like exactly. 

2133
01:57:15,960 --> 01:57:18,880
So I've seen that I've seen. 
People talking about that. 

2134
01:57:18,880 --> 01:57:21,800
So the opinion is kind of 
changing a little bit and it 

2135
01:57:21,800 --> 01:57:25,040
could lead to, again, further 
down the line, maybe resurgence 

2136
01:57:25,040 --> 01:57:26,040
of her career. 
I don't know. 

2137
01:57:26,040 --> 01:57:28,560
I don't even know if she really 
wants that completely because 

2138
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:31,440
she is getting older and maybe 
she is ready to just retire, 

2139
01:57:31,440 --> 01:57:34,200
retire. 
But the opinion, I guess 

2140
01:57:34,200 --> 01:57:36,560
publicly could change. 
I just feel, yeah. 

2141
01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:39,720
And I just feel like her impact 
on society. 

2142
01:57:39,720 --> 01:57:44,640
At large has been generally so 
positive, regardless of her 

2143
01:57:44,640 --> 01:57:47,440
being cranky. 
And like, I, you know, there's 

2144
01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:49,960
so many people probably in 
Hollywood, there's so many 

2145
01:57:49,960 --> 01:57:53,560
people in Hollywood who are 
probably accepted as the way 

2146
01:57:53,560 --> 01:57:55,400
they are. 
And people say, oh, that's just 

2147
01:57:55,400 --> 01:57:59,120
so and so. 
And they're probably all men and

2148
01:57:59,120 --> 01:58:02,040
they are respected for it. 
Like nobody. 

2149
01:58:02,120 --> 01:58:05,320
Nobody is out here being like, 
Oh my God, Simon Cowell is such 

2150
01:58:05,320 --> 01:58:07,640
a jerk. 
Terrible person to work for. 

2151
01:58:07,880 --> 01:58:10,520
I mean, people are saying that, 
but no one wants to like, cancel

2152
01:58:10,520 --> 01:58:12,840
him for it. 
Gordon Ramsay, all these people 

2153
01:58:12,840 --> 01:58:15,400
who are like, kind of like 
beloved sometimes for being 

2154
01:58:15,400 --> 01:58:19,440
assholes. 
But Ellen is not given that 

2155
01:58:19,600 --> 01:58:21,280
she's not, she's held to a 
different standard. 

2156
01:58:21,400 --> 01:58:27,520
I know I'm I, I'm not sure what.
Punishment, I think, is adequate

2157
01:58:27,520 --> 01:58:29,240
for this kind. 
Of thing, yeah. 

2158
01:58:29,400 --> 01:58:31,560
Maybe it was time to end her 
show anyway. 

2159
01:58:31,560 --> 01:58:32,800
Even though it's getting sad 
but. 

2160
01:58:33,000 --> 01:58:35,240
I do. 
Think that Ellen deserves so 

2161
01:58:35,240 --> 01:58:37,360
much more respect than she's 
getting. 

2162
01:58:37,720 --> 01:58:41,920
Yeah, for her whole career and 
just even what she's done for, 

2163
01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:44,440
like, LGBT recognition and 
everything. 

2164
01:58:44,440 --> 01:58:47,560
And yeah, it makes me sad that 
people are just willing to, 

2165
01:58:47,560 --> 01:58:50,120
like, throw that away and not 
care about it. 

2166
01:58:50,120 --> 01:58:53,600
But I hope, I hope that like in 
a couple years, she gets some 

2167
01:58:53,600 --> 01:58:57,840
kind of like lifetime 
achievement award at, I don't 

2168
01:58:57,840 --> 01:59:00,240
know, the Oscars or something, 
or Emmys. 

2169
01:59:00,240 --> 01:59:02,720
I don't know what it would 
because I think she deserves it 

2170
01:59:02,760 --> 01:59:06,920
and I think something like that 
would healed this. 

2171
01:59:06,920 --> 01:59:09,040
Yeah. 
Before all this, Before all 

2172
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:10,000
this. 
Obama. 

2173
01:59:10,000 --> 01:59:13,400
Gave her the Med of freedom or 
something. 

2174
01:59:13,480 --> 01:59:15,400
Yeah, yeah. 
Which was? 

2175
01:59:15,400 --> 01:59:19,120
Sweet, but it kind of reminds. 
Me of like, I think I might have

2176
01:59:19,120 --> 01:59:22,120
said this on the podcast before 
too, when Lizzo was getting bad 

2177
01:59:22,120 --> 01:59:27,760
press for her lawsuit again from
her dancers a couple years ago. 

2178
01:59:27,840 --> 01:59:29,840
And I feel like people, there 
were such an uproar about that, 

2179
01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:33,120
partially because people 
expected so much of Lizzo 

2180
01:59:33,120 --> 01:59:37,760
because she was a role model for
people for body positivity. 

2181
01:59:38,200 --> 01:59:41,680
But at the same time, it's like 
when people like switched up on 

2182
01:59:41,680 --> 01:59:45,440
her so fast, I was suspicious of
them because it's like kind of 

2183
01:59:45,440 --> 01:59:49,280
seems like you've been waiting 
to hate Lizzo and you're excited

2184
01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:51,560
for this. 
And is it because she's 

2185
01:59:51,760 --> 01:59:54,120
overweight? 
You're like, excited to suddenly

2186
01:59:54,120 --> 01:59:57,320
like have an excuse to hate her.
And I feel like maybe the 

2187
01:59:57,320 --> 02:00:00,600
family, like, are people like 
she is gay and people are like, 

2188
02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:03,920
I mean, obviously I know a lot 
of people in the LGBT community 

2189
02:00:03,920 --> 02:00:06,000
probably like, this is not who 
we want to represent us. 

2190
02:00:06,080 --> 02:00:10,040
Listen, I can see it also being 
from like, okay, we are tired of

2191
02:00:10,040 --> 02:00:14,520
the fact that we've only really 
had a couple role models so far.

2192
02:00:14,760 --> 02:00:19,840
But I feel like a lot of other 
people probably, you know, it 

2193
02:00:19,840 --> 02:00:24,120
was some of their old homophobia
and misogyny coming back to 

2194
02:00:24,120 --> 02:00:25,040
yeah, me. 
I hate her. 

2195
02:00:26,360 --> 02:00:29,760
She has said that she quote. 
Got kicked out of show business 

2196
02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:32,520
for being mean. 
But she also has said that she 

2197
02:00:32,520 --> 02:00:35,240
didn't feel like the show was 
challenging herself anymore. 

2198
02:00:35,240 --> 02:00:38,840
So I mean, that might be kind of
an excuse, but she says that 

2199
02:00:38,840 --> 02:00:40,720
that's like kind of the reason 
she ended the show. 

2200
02:00:41,000 --> 02:00:44,720
She did say after the show ended
that after her existing 

2201
02:00:44,720 --> 02:00:48,040
contractual obligations ended, 
that she would be leaving show 

2202
02:00:48,040 --> 02:00:52,520
business for good. 
And so as a result, her final 

2203
02:00:52,520 --> 02:00:57,960
stand up special called 4 Year 
Approval for Netflix came out in

2204
02:00:57,960 --> 02:01:02,160
2024 and then she officially 
retired from show business. 

2205
02:01:02,160 --> 02:01:03,400
I watched that. 
Yeah. 

2206
02:01:03,400 --> 02:01:05,520
I just watched it. 
I was laughing. 

2207
02:01:05,800 --> 02:01:07,000
Yeah. 
I thought in the. 

2208
02:01:07,040 --> 02:01:10,960
Beginning, she seemed a little. 
Bit sad, yeah, it was making me 

2209
02:01:11,000 --> 02:01:14,280
sad, like especially. 
Compared to her old stuff, I was

2210
02:01:14,280 --> 02:01:17,400
like, oh, she seemed sad. 
But then she definitely got into

2211
02:01:17,400 --> 02:01:20,880
a groove and I liked this part 
where she said had I ended my 

2212
02:01:20,880 --> 02:01:24,080
show saying go fuck yourselves, 
people would have been 

2213
02:01:24,080 --> 02:01:25,600
pleasantly surprised to find 
out. 

2214
02:01:25,600 --> 02:01:29,960
I'm kind, yeah. 
Felt like the expectation she 

2215
02:01:29,960 --> 02:01:32,520
set up for herself. 
That would be funny if she did 

2216
02:01:32,520 --> 02:01:33,520
do. 
That she shouldn't. 

2217
02:01:33,520 --> 02:01:35,520
Yeah, all. 
Right. 

2218
02:01:35,760 --> 02:01:38,120
You know, she couldn't have. 
It was, I know. 

2219
02:01:38,120 --> 02:01:40,320
But I feel like that's. 
Such a network team. 

2220
02:01:40,320 --> 02:01:43,760
I think that's also such a. 
New England, Boston type thing 

2221
02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:47,440
where it's like go fuck 
yourself, you know, it's just I 

2222
02:01:47,440 --> 02:01:49,720
think I accidentally said it 
would kind of an accent. 

2223
02:01:49,720 --> 02:01:50,640
She didn't. 
Yeah, that. 

2224
02:01:50,720 --> 02:01:52,920
Way. 
Yeah. 

2225
02:01:52,920 --> 02:01:55,240
So we're like, oh. 
Ellen, thank you. 

2226
02:01:55,280 --> 02:01:57,440
Like, I don't know, it's kind of
endearing. 

2227
02:01:57,440 --> 02:02:00,200
What it would be cool if Ellen 
came back. 

2228
02:02:00,200 --> 02:02:02,400
With like a. 
More edgy, you know. 

2229
02:02:03,440 --> 02:02:06,640
Approach Like what if she was 
mean this time? 

2230
02:02:08,400 --> 02:02:10,720
She made me have to wait a 
little bit. 

2231
02:02:10,720 --> 02:02:12,000
Maybe it'd be too soon. 
OK. 

2232
02:02:12,360 --> 02:02:15,960
She is 66 though, so like, yeah,
I don't. 

2233
02:02:15,960 --> 02:02:18,440
Know she was gonna be like, 
maybe she should just be 

2234
02:02:18,440 --> 02:02:21,200
retired. 
Betty White age just coming out 

2235
02:02:21,200 --> 02:02:23,080
being. 
Like fuck you, fuck you and 

2236
02:02:23,080 --> 02:02:26,800
like. 
I don't know, doesn't have to be

2237
02:02:26,800 --> 02:02:30,000
like that, but she could be more
like Howard Stern or something, 

2238
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:33,240
just like. 
Not really giving a fuck, you 

2239
02:02:33,240 --> 02:02:36,920
know, I don't know. 
But she could just enjoy her 

2240
02:02:36,920 --> 02:02:41,120
retirement because also Ellen 
and Portia, they have recently 

2241
02:02:41,120 --> 02:02:45,280
moved to the Cotswolds in 
England, like in the 

2242
02:02:45,280 --> 02:02:49,680
countryside, and they just seem 
kind of done with. 

2243
02:02:49,680 --> 02:02:51,400
Hollywood. 
And fame and all of. 

2244
02:02:51,400 --> 02:02:53,800
That and I think it's kind of 
cool. 

2245
02:02:54,280 --> 02:02:57,040
I would be remiss if I didn't. 
Bring up I have. 

2246
02:02:57,040 --> 02:02:59,600
Heard a lot of people say. 
That they fled the country 

2247
02:02:59,600 --> 02:03:06,080
because of Diddy P Diddy and an 
association with him. 

2248
02:03:06,080 --> 02:03:07,880
I guess. 
Like they did go to Diddy 

2249
02:03:07,880 --> 02:03:11,040
parties or maybe Ellen did. 
But why is this coming up? 

2250
02:03:12,400 --> 02:03:14,080
I know. 
Two episodes in. 

2251
02:03:14,080 --> 02:03:16,640
A row but I feel like. 
I've heard Ellen say a lot of 

2252
02:03:16,640 --> 02:03:18,920
stuff about how like her and 
Portia would always like leave 

2253
02:03:18,920 --> 02:03:21,480
parties early. 
Like they definitely didn't seem

2254
02:03:21,480 --> 02:03:27,040
like people that probably were 
in the actual shit that was 

2255
02:03:27,040 --> 02:03:28,560
going down. 
I feel like they probably were 

2256
02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:31,200
like the celebrities that are 
like at the beginning of the 

2257
02:03:31,200 --> 02:03:36,520
party and then like head home at
9 PMI mean, I when did they 

2258
02:03:36,520 --> 02:03:39,000
move? 
I feel like it was like quite. 

2259
02:03:39,000 --> 02:03:44,680
Before this, but all I saw about
Ellen and Puff Daddy was that 

2260
02:03:44,680 --> 02:03:50,800
she, I think like years ago, had
we, I, I really, I know him as 

2261
02:03:50,800 --> 02:03:52,440
Puff Daddy. 
Honestly, it's kind of, it's 

2262
02:03:52,440 --> 02:03:55,280
weird to call him Daddy. 
How weird to call him Puff 

2263
02:03:55,280 --> 02:03:56,120
Daddy? 
I don't know. 

2264
02:03:59,680 --> 02:04:02,200
She had. 
Tweeted something and like oh. 

2265
02:04:02,480 --> 02:04:08,160
Puff Daddy AKA Diddy AKA Sean 
AKA And then I'm paraphrasing, I

2266
02:04:08,160 --> 02:04:10,680
don't quite remember what it 
was, but then she said or like 

2267
02:04:10,680 --> 02:04:14,040
cuddle snuffle of a guest or 
something as I call him. 

2268
02:04:14,360 --> 02:04:17,680
And so people were like taking 
that is like, oh, Ellen like 

2269
02:04:17,680 --> 02:04:20,320
knew something like whatever. 
But I don't know. 

2270
02:04:20,320 --> 02:04:24,800
I feel like that could have just
been her being weird and like 

2271
02:04:24,800 --> 02:04:28,680
making fun of all of his names. 
Like, I don't know, that's all I

2272
02:04:28,680 --> 02:04:32,160
really saw. 
I don't know, like when it comes

2273
02:04:32,160 --> 02:04:33,920
to celebrities, I think a lot 
of. 

2274
02:04:33,920 --> 02:04:39,120
Them are close, but it's almost 
like a Co worker in the land of 

2275
02:04:39,120 --> 02:04:41,040
Hollywood. 
You these are people that you 

2276
02:04:41,040 --> 02:04:43,680
know and you're acquainted with 
and you might like put on a 

2277
02:04:43,680 --> 02:04:48,400
public perception of being 
friendly with them because it's 

2278
02:04:48,400 --> 02:04:51,200
almost like you're all like 
characters on this big TV show 

2279
02:04:51,360 --> 02:04:54,520
that is Hollywood. 
But I don't think you actually 

2280
02:04:55,200 --> 02:04:57,760
know that many people that 
deeply. 

2281
02:04:58,080 --> 02:05:00,800
Yeah, it seems kind of like high
school to me. 

2282
02:05:01,960 --> 02:05:05,520
And if someone is like hosting 
the prom after party and 

2283
02:05:05,520 --> 02:05:08,240
everybody's there, I don't know 
if that means you're like 

2284
02:05:08,240 --> 02:05:11,000
friends with them. 
I don't know exactly. 

2285
02:05:11,400 --> 02:05:13,280
Maybe I'm making too many 
excuses, but. 

2286
02:05:14,320 --> 02:05:16,120
I just don't really. 
See it? 

2287
02:05:16,600 --> 02:05:19,760
But maybe they'll release the 
list and we'll be wrong but. 

2288
02:05:20,800 --> 02:05:23,320
Well, I hope not. 
I also hope this stop is coming 

2289
02:05:23,320 --> 02:05:26,480
up. 
I know, stop doing modern 

2290
02:05:26,480 --> 02:05:29,320
couples I guess and I get hot. 
Yeah. 

2291
02:05:30,840 --> 02:05:33,360
Yeah, once again, Marie 
Antoinette. 

2292
02:05:33,360 --> 02:05:34,480
She's good. 
She's not. 

2293
02:05:34,480 --> 02:05:36,680
I mean. 
She had scandal herself. 

2294
02:05:36,680 --> 02:05:39,200
Of course she's not hanging out 
with Diddy. 

2295
02:05:39,200 --> 02:05:41,880
I guess she was cancelled in a 
way, but. 

2296
02:05:42,280 --> 02:05:45,320
In a huge way, yeah. 
Yeah, cancellation led to her 

2297
02:05:45,320 --> 02:05:47,640
death. 
Well, I I interpreted. 

2298
02:05:47,640 --> 02:05:50,520
Them moving to England as. 
They both. 

2299
02:05:50,520 --> 02:05:56,840
Are retired now and they're both
kind of like if this let's leave

2300
02:05:56,840 --> 02:05:58,520
and it seems like they have 
friends in England. 

2301
02:05:58,520 --> 02:06:01,080
I saw like a picture of them at 
like a pub with some people like

2302
02:06:01,080 --> 02:06:04,040
I don't know. 
So seems like they're having a 

2303
02:06:04,040 --> 02:06:06,040
good time and I would do the 
same thing too. 

2304
02:06:06,800 --> 02:06:10,000
And they I want to move to 
England recently celebrate their

2305
02:06:10,000 --> 02:06:12,320
what, 20th wedding anniversary 
or? 

2306
02:06:12,320 --> 02:06:16,080
Something like that. 
They've been together 21 years, 

2307
02:06:16,120 --> 02:06:18,920
OK. 
And it seems like they're going 

2308
02:06:18,920 --> 02:06:19,840
well. 
Yeah, Portia. 

2309
02:06:19,840 --> 02:06:23,280
Just recently this. 
January posted a video montage 

2310
02:06:23,280 --> 02:06:25,880
of Ellen working out and 
captioned it. 

2311
02:06:26,440 --> 02:06:30,000
My darling wife, you continue to
amaze me and inspire me. 

2312
02:06:30,000 --> 02:06:33,360
Happy birthday to the strongest,
sweetest, most brilliant person 

2313
02:06:33,360 --> 02:06:35,200
I know. 
I'm so lucky to be sitting next 

2314
02:06:35,200 --> 02:06:37,280
to you as we share this 
incredible life together. 

2315
02:06:37,280 --> 02:06:43,680
I love you, the heart and. 
Yeah, I think they seem very. 

2316
02:06:43,680 --> 02:06:48,920
Connected very attached to the. 
Hip and they're still together. 

2317
02:06:49,880 --> 02:06:52,720
And that's what I have to say 
about Ellen and Porsche. 

2318
02:06:53,160 --> 02:06:56,480
Wasn't there something Dad saw 
in People magazine where Ellen 

2319
02:06:56,480 --> 02:06:57,800
came back? 
From London? 

2320
02:06:57,800 --> 02:07:00,000
Or was it that Ellen went to 
London? 

2321
02:07:00,240 --> 02:07:03,160
I think they did come back 
briefly. 

2322
02:07:04,120 --> 02:07:04,840
For a visit. 
Yeah. 

2323
02:07:04,840 --> 02:07:07,360
And Ellen has Gray hair now. 
Like, really? 

2324
02:07:07,560 --> 02:07:09,200
Pepper to look this up? 
Yeah. 

2325
02:07:09,240 --> 02:07:11,120
She stopped dying, her hair 
blonde. 

2326
02:07:11,840 --> 02:07:13,960
Oh, I didn't realize. 
I know. 

2327
02:07:13,960 --> 02:07:17,000
I was like, Dad, how do you? 
Dad, how do you know? 

2328
02:07:17,000 --> 02:07:21,680
That what the hell I know Dad's 
been. 

2329
02:07:22,760 --> 02:07:25,680
He was reading the Taylor. 
Swift People magazine that we 

2330
02:07:25,680 --> 02:07:28,640
had for a while this this 
morning. 

2331
02:07:29,160 --> 02:07:33,040
He's been reading because Mel, 
your mom gives us like a million

2332
02:07:33,040 --> 02:07:36,000
people magazines. 
I know my parents read all of 

2333
02:07:36,000 --> 02:07:38,040
them all at once. 
So then. 

2334
02:07:38,040 --> 02:07:41,040
They just have all. 
This pop culture information 

2335
02:07:41,040 --> 02:07:46,680
like suddenly like a backlog of 
information that's so funny I. 

2336
02:07:46,680 --> 02:07:49,080
Know my mom has just my mom 
saves like every. 

2337
02:07:49,080 --> 02:07:50,480
Single. 
Magazine because she's like. 

2338
02:07:50,480 --> 02:07:52,720
Oh, Karen, Karen wants this and 
I don't know if your mom really 

2339
02:07:52,720 --> 02:07:55,200
does, but I don't think she 
does. 

2340
02:07:55,200 --> 02:07:58,320
But they read them, so I guess 
they do I. 

2341
02:07:58,360 --> 02:08:01,160
Appreciate it. 
I like I like reading the People

2342
02:08:01,160 --> 02:08:03,480
magazines. 
When we're home, I was doing all

2343
02:08:04,240 --> 02:08:08,760
of the cross crosswords. 
Yeah, that's. 

2344
02:08:08,760 --> 02:08:09,840
Funny. 
Yeah, we. 

2345
02:08:09,840 --> 02:08:13,000
Did we did like all of them. 
It's fun. 

2346
02:08:13,560 --> 02:08:16,040
Yeah, that is kind of fun to 
read them all at once, I would 

2347
02:08:16,040 --> 02:08:20,760
think. 
Yeah, I feel like because of 

2348
02:08:20,760 --> 02:08:22,160
this. 
Podcast and not even that, I 

2349
02:08:22,160 --> 02:08:23,560
just. 
Feel like I am tapped into 

2350
02:08:23,560 --> 02:08:26,360
celebrity culture and like what 
goes on. 

2351
02:08:26,600 --> 02:08:30,520
I actually do read people, 
people.com like once a day. 

2352
02:08:30,520 --> 02:08:32,360
Like I just like skim the 
articles and see what's 

2353
02:08:32,360 --> 02:08:34,240
happening with these famous 
people. 

2354
02:08:34,240 --> 02:08:38,200
And I sometimes feel a little 
embarrassed by how much I know 

2355
02:08:38,200 --> 02:08:42,800
about celebrity and when like 
when a celebrity like actually 

2356
02:08:42,800 --> 02:08:45,040
comes up in conversation. 
And like someone. 

2357
02:08:45,040 --> 02:08:47,000
Has like a little piece of 
information wrong. 

2358
02:08:47,000 --> 02:08:50,120
I just like can't help myself to
like correct them and then like 

2359
02:08:51,720 --> 02:08:54,200
start like going like into the 
lore. 

2360
02:08:54,200 --> 02:08:55,680
Of something. 
Like way. 

2361
02:08:55,680 --> 02:08:58,400
Too in depth and people are like
oh that's interesting. 

2362
02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:01,520
I think this has happened to me 
too recently, but I can't think 

2363
02:09:01,520 --> 02:09:03,880
of any specific. 
Examples, but this has 

2364
02:09:03,880 --> 02:09:06,840
definitely happened. 
I wish when a celebrity comes 

2365
02:09:06,840 --> 02:09:09,600
up, I actually knew less. 
Like it almost is. 

2366
02:09:11,400 --> 02:09:13,560
I feel like Dakota Johnson in 
that one. 

2367
02:09:13,560 --> 02:09:16,000
Clip I'm like, actually, that's.
Not the truth. 

2368
02:09:16,440 --> 02:09:20,120
Yeah, literally that's me. 
But if I know. 

2369
02:09:20,120 --> 02:09:22,000
Something is wrong. 
What do I I I'm just. 

2370
02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:24,640
Gonna let you spread false. 
Information. 

2371
02:09:25,640 --> 02:09:28,360
No. 
Yeah, I think you should speak 

2372
02:09:28,360 --> 02:09:29,040
up. 
It's. 

2373
02:09:29,040 --> 02:09:31,000
Fine. 
Well, that's it. 

2374
02:09:31,200 --> 02:09:34,800
Wow. 
Well, it's so sweet. 

2375
02:09:34,800 --> 02:09:37,760
They're still together. 
Through all that it is. 

2376
02:09:38,040 --> 02:09:39,520
Chances they're going to get a 
divorce. 

2377
02:09:41,760 --> 02:09:43,880
Usually we do odds they stay 
together I. 

2378
02:09:43,920 --> 02:09:48,800
Know odds, stay together. 
I don't want to jinx. 

2379
02:09:48,800 --> 02:09:50,920
Them, but I think they're pretty
solid. 

2380
02:09:50,920 --> 02:09:56,200
I I would say 50. 5050 Well, I 
know it's so. 

2381
02:09:56,560 --> 02:09:57,640
Tough, you know. 
It's hot. 

2382
02:09:57,840 --> 02:09:58,680
It's. 
Tough I was going. 

2383
02:09:58,840 --> 02:10:00,600
To say 8020 I. 
Guess. 

2384
02:10:01,000 --> 02:10:04,720
Yeah. 80 in their favor, I'll 
say 60. 

2385
02:10:04,720 --> 02:10:06,800
Percent chances. 
To get together. 

2386
02:10:07,240 --> 02:10:12,440
Yeah, you guys do not have much.
Faith Girl. 

2387
02:10:12,520 --> 02:10:15,480
If they were regular people, I 
would say much higher. 

2388
02:10:15,480 --> 02:10:18,840
But I know. 
But these are celebrities. 

2389
02:10:18,880 --> 02:10:21,560
I know. 
But I think because they've been

2390
02:10:21,560 --> 02:10:26,160
together 20 years and I think 
also it helps that they're in 

2391
02:10:26,160 --> 02:10:29,520
the same sex couple. 
I think those do better or have 

2392
02:10:29,520 --> 02:10:33,200
better chance. 
So that's why I'm giving them 

2393
02:10:33,200 --> 02:10:35,760
more, more of a chance. 
But who knows? 

2394
02:10:35,880 --> 02:10:38,320
That's good. 
You're very optimistic and I 

2395
02:10:38,320 --> 02:10:39,840
love that about you. 
It's. 

2396
02:10:39,840 --> 02:10:43,280
Purely because they're famous. 
Like I I wouldn't say this if 

2397
02:10:43,280 --> 02:10:46,240
they weren't, but it's just you 
can't really bet on. 

2398
02:10:47,240 --> 02:10:50,960
Yeah, Yeah. 
Well, thanks. 

2399
02:10:51,240 --> 02:10:54,160
Thanks for listening. 
Thank you, Kelly. 

2400
02:10:54,400 --> 02:10:56,720
Do you want to tease us for next
week? 

2401
02:10:57,280 --> 02:11:00,320
Next next week's couple, which 
will be on Patreon. 

2402
02:11:00,640 --> 02:11:05,760
Is another. 
Same sex couple, and they have, 

2403
02:11:06,080 --> 02:11:08,720
coincidentally, I didn't really 
mean to do this, but they've had

2404
02:11:08,720 --> 02:11:14,360
a lot of controversy as well. 
And this couple's a little 

2405
02:11:14,360 --> 02:11:16,920
different. 
They're in the fashion world, 

2406
02:11:17,560 --> 02:11:20,080
I'll say that. 
So I'll be next week. 

2407
02:11:20,360 --> 02:11:21,760
I'm excited. 
Yeah. 

2408
02:11:22,280 --> 02:11:24,600
Thanks. 
And we'll see you then. 

2409
02:11:24,960 --> 02:11:27,680
Yep. 
We'll get back together next 

2410
02:11:27,680 --> 02:11:28,840
week. 
Bye. 

2411
02:11:30,640 --> 02:11:36,840
Here's your heartbeat. 
With pain, shall I come back 

2412
02:11:40,280 --> 02:11:40,440
again?