Are you lonesome tonight? Do you miss me tonight?
Are you sorry we drifted apart? Does your?
All right, I'll do the clap. Eric Clapton.
Eric Clapton, clap me in one 2-3 maybe I'll keep that in.
That's how we start every episode, unbeknownst to
everybody listening. Thanks guys for joining us.
Yes. Hi guys.
We are your host. My name is Mel.
And I'm Kel. And I'm Caitlin and welcome to
Significant Lovers, a podcast where we dive deep into
relationships from the past and today and see why they worked or
why they didn't, and what that means for us.
Couldn't put it better myself. Kate and we are cousins.
Yes, they are. Sisters know.
That. Yes, they are sisters and I am
their cousin. So today we are talking about 3
people. A throuple in a love triangle.
A not a throuple, although I was I was curious if there could
have been something. Three people in a love triangle,
but also three people who did a lot of drugs in the 60s and 70s.
And I was telling Charlie, my boyfriend before recording this,
that I feel like I can understand why musicians did a
lot of cocaine because I was feeling kind of tired before
recording this. And I was saying, like, oh, my
God, how am I going to perform? You know, how am I going to do
this? Yeah.
So I have to do podcast. It's really not a big deal, but
I could empathize with them. Oh, totally.
Yeah, they're on like every single night sleeping on a bus.
Yeah, on a show. When Taylor was doing the Errors
tour, which was like a three hour plus concert couple nights
a week for two years, I was like, I would definitely be
doing cocaine if I was hurt because.
I wonder I'm. Sure.
Can you do that like have? I'm sure you train your body,
but. Yeah, but it seems impossible
honestly. Because it's emotional and it's
physical. It's crazy.
It's just a huge chunk of your time too, I think.
You couldn't do anything else with your free time like before.
Like during the day before the concert starts.
What do you even do with yourself?
True. So in case you haven't seen the
screen that's playing this episode, today, we are talking
about when George Harrison, the Beatle, met Patty Boyd, his
wife, and in parentheses, 'cause you can't talk about it without
him and Eric Clapton. I guess it's not a spoiler.
I mean, I feel like it's just kind of the interesting thing
about this story is the involvement of this guy, the
musician Eric Clapton. Yeah.
So we've talked about The Beatles before on the podcast.
This is our third Beatles episode.
It was going to happen eventually, but we've done John
and Yoko. That was like episode 3 I think.
Yeah, that was very really. Long ago.
And we did. Paul McCartney and Linda
Eastman, and now here we are with George Harrison and Patty
Boyd. Nice.
Three out of four, three out of four.
I know Kelly told me that she doesn't think she'd ever do
Ringo though. No, maybe I don't.
I'm just not feeling the calling yet, yeah.
It has to. It has to choose you, the
episode. Yeah, yeah.
Ringo will come up, obviously, like we'll mention him, but he
is part of the story, too. Yeah.
So George Harrison, you know, he was known as the quiet Beatle.
He wrote songs like Here Comes the Sun and something.
And so you would think that this would just be a nice, simple
love story, right? But it really isn't.
It's very tumultuous and dramatic and kind of crazy.
It's like every relationship from the 60s, seventies is for
some reason. I think it's the drugs probably.
But before we get into the episode, I do want to give a
shout out to our latest patrons because we're so grateful.
So I just want to say thanks to Zachariah, Jocelyn, Michaela,
Fabs or Fabs, Rachel, spill to Jill, feel like we've seen you
before. And Chloe.
Thank you, guys. Thank you.
And I do have a little bit of trivia to kick off oh episode
for you guys. So this is our favorite segment
which? No longer new.
We don't always do, but
sometimes we do where we reach back into the Hall of Flames for
some trivia questions. And this is similar to one,
really similar to one that one of you asked, Oh, there's going
to be overlap. But my question is, and this is
kind of subjective and it was kind of hard to discern, so I'm
willing to like fight it out with you guys.
But my question to you guys is how many love triangles have we
covered on the podcast? Oh, do we have to like, guess
the closest number or something? Yeah.
Let's guess a number 1st and this was tough because like I
would be willing to remove some from the list, but I I didn't
think it was just cheating. It was like when there's a long
ongoing, yes, fair, I guess, or like, or even if it's like
culturally perceived as a love triangle, like even if they
weren't together at the same time, like sometimes people are
just seen that way. This is this is kind of tough,
but I do have a number, so I guess we'll see.
If we're going by like, let's say in the media, being treated
like a love triangle, I'm going to say like 5.
I'm going to say. 15, OK, OK. Well, the number I came up with
was 19. Wow.
Should we name love triangles that we covered?
1st I have a follow up question to get a point for.
Do you think most people got back together with the first
person or they stuck with the second person?
Stuck with the second. Person stuck with the second.
OK, you both got that right. Wow.
So. I said it first, so I I got the
point. No, you both got a point.
Yeah. So of the 19 and again, this
number might go down like you guys might tell me when I read
them to you, like you'll say that doesn't count or something.
But of the 19, seven of them went back to the first person.
Wow. We can, we can we can we guess
some of them and get points for the ones that we guess?
Yes. OK, I have been shooting through
my brain right now I'm on the edge of my seat.
I want to say though. OK, OK, OK, let's do it.
Miley Cyrus, Nick Jonas and Selena Gomez.
I didn't have that one. Oh my God.
Kelly. Kelly.
And Margaret, Elvis and Priscilla.
Oh yes, Brad, Angelina and Jen. Yes.
Joshua Bassett, Sabrina and Olivia.
Yes. Richard Burton, Elizabeth Taylor
and the other guy. OK, fine.
I'll give it to you. Eddie Fisher?
Yes. Nobody remembers him.
Debbie and Elizabeth Taylor, Eddie.
Fisher, did you count like Tom Brady, Giselle and Bridget
Moynihan? OK, they were on my list, but
then I took them off. Yeah.
I would put them back on. Did you count?
Charles and Camilla and Diana. Yes.
Sam Taylor and Aaron Johnson and like her husband and stuff.
We don't know it's dating, so I feel like that.
OK, did you count like Harry Styles, Olivia Wilde and Jason
did? OK, OK, OK.
Oh, what about? Like Drake and Rihanna and Chris
Brown. Yep, I had that.
John Lennon, Yoko Ono and May Pang.
Yes. There's so many Jesus Christ, I
know too ready. Why are all these couples
cheating and Oh my God what are the like Sheldon and his wife or
her husband I don't remember. OK.
I didn't have like Shelton, but I did have Gypsy Rose, Ryan and
Ken, yes. OK, OK.
Are those the? Is that the end of it?
Definitely, I love trying. So she went back to.
To the pen. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Are there any more? We don't.
Have like Zac Efron and Vanessa Hudgens and Ashley Tisdale,
right? I don't know.
Yeah. Are there any more?
OK, I'll read them. If you guys think it's not
right, I can tell you off the list, and I'm open to that
'cause this was tough. OK.
So I also had John Lennon and his wife, Cynthia and Yoko Ono.
Yeah, Yeah, that counts because he, he was going back and forth
for a very long time. Yeah.
I yeah. I don't know about this one.
Johnny Cash, his wife Vivian and June Carter.
Yeah, that there was a significant overlap, yeah.
Yeah. Then I have Priyanka Chopra, SRK
and Gary definitely. Yes, totally.
OK, this one I, I feel like people don't know it so I should
take it off. But it's it's morning Internet
Louise the 16th and her lover Axel von Versen.
I mean, I guess. But it it's not like a known I
people weren't like picking sides.
Maybe they were back then. I don't know.
OK, then I had, I know that these were like separate
relationships, but I feel like it's kind of seen as love
triangle as Meg Ryan, Dennis Quaid and Russell Crowe.
Yes, Yep. Yeah.
Then I had Noah bunk back, Jennifer, Jason Lee and credit
go away. Oh duh, we were just talking
about them. I know if you count the the
rapid fire we can add Elliot Page and Kate, Mara and Max.
True. Yeah, Rapid fire couples don't
really. They're not really in the hollow
flames. They're not in.
That was that was a love triangle.
I would, yeah. Then I had Mary Shelley, Percy
Shelley and her sister Claire. Claire.
Yeah, I had King James first. George Vilier and his wife.
I forget her name but. I would say it's more of a love
triangle between George James and that other guy.
Well, I. Think if we can't name, if we
can't name the other guy, it's not really a love.
Track although I definitely. Could I am just blanking?
Maybe we should just remove it all together?
But no one's wearing. T-shirts.
Team the other guy. Well, is anyone wearing
T-shirts? Team the Queen?
I don't know. Well, I thought it was
interesting because it was like an ongoing relationship, but
like, she seemed to know about it.
Yeah, but so did that guy. It was very much.
Oh, OK. It was very much a love triangle
between those three if like the king having to pick which one
was his favorite. And it was like a battle of
like. OK, OK.
Yeah. We can say that episode at least
had one. OK.
And then lastly, Cleopatra, Mark Antony and Julius Caesar.
I know that they were separate relationships.
I don't count that. I wouldn't people think of it
like a love triangle, but I think they.
Think of it, it did become a love triangle until after Caesar
was dead, so I don't count that. OK.
But still, it's like everybody knows her and these two guys.
Yes, but. OK, I'll remove it.
OK, so it brings us to 20 we've. Covered bits and pieces of these
love triangles but we haven't really like done one person in
the love triangle in both respective partners.
Like sometimes like the love triangle has come up in the
episode, but we haven't. Done it.
What about? What about Brad and Angelina?
We did that, Yeah. We.
Yeah, yeah. And we're doing that this time
around. But we haven't.
Like we didn't do Charles and Camilla and then Charles and
Diana like so we haven't like some love triangles.
They might eventually. We did.
We did Debbie Reynolds and Eddie Fisher, and then, yeah, Debbie
Fisher and Elizabeth Taylor. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But would. You count maybe like Rob and
Kristen, plus her director Rupert Sanders.
No. No, that was just a fling that.
Was. Yeah, we have.
We obviously we have done a couple love triangles.
But to your point, Mel, this one is like next episode I am going
to be kind of like backtracking and doing the same story, but
like from Eric's perspective, yeah, what he was up to, which
we didn't quite do. Like even the Eddie Fisher
episodes, it kind of like ended with, you know, Eddie, that was
Elizabeth Taylor. And then it was like then what
happened after that? Like there wasn't a prolonged
overlap as there is here. There's kind of like 10 years
where Eric's in their life before they get together.
So interesting. Wow, he's just like this.
Like lurking presence. Creepy.
Well, should we get into it? Yeah.
So Kel, what 3 words would you use to describe this couple?
3 words I would used to describe George Harrison and Patty Boyd
are what are you laughing 'cause I started to say Eric.
Yeah, I used the Eric. 3 words I would use to describe George
Harrison and Patty Boyd are proud as in I feel like they're
both proud to be with each other, tender and secretive.
Oh, I think that comes up a lot. All right, so who was George
Harrison? OK.
George was born February 25, 1943, in Liverpool, England.
Of course, it's said that he's the only beetle to come from a
large family and the only one whose family life was normal and
undramatic. He was the youngest of four,
which is funny because he was also the youngest of four in The
Beatles. He was the youngest, and even
though he was from a pretty happy, loving family, his family
was quite poor. They didn't even have an indoor
bathroom when he was growing up. Oh my God.
Yeah, When George was born, his dad was a bus driver and he had
previously been in the Merchant Navy and dropped out of school
at age 14. So he definitely was the poorest
of The Beatles. I would say George's mom was or
his mom was so sweet. I just got to say later when he
becomes a Beatle and he becomes world famous, Missus Harrison
would answer all his fan mail and she redecorated her kitchen
with Beatles wallpaper and Beatles figurines and people say
she was the most invested Beatles mum.
So it's just very sweet. So even as a kid, George always
marched to the beat of his own drum.
I would say he was very much a Hole in Caulfield type of kid.
He always had long hair even before it was in style for guys.
He was very anti authoritarian. He hated school, but he was very
intelligent and independent and honest, sometimes to a fault.
He was very reserved but also had a quick humor.
And he's he's an interesting guy because he's seen as being very
sweet and quiet. But he also would be very touchy
and temperamental. And one of the books I read for
this called George Harrison the Reluctant Beetle by Philip
Norman. I was reading it on the road
trip. If you guys remember, he
described George as paradoxically becoming more
uptight and Moody after he learned to meditate, which I
thought was kind of. Funny, Yeah, I feel like that
happens to people in a way because they.
Become type. They're like better than
everyone. Else, yeah, or they just become
Type A about doing the things that they feel they have to do
in order to be Zen. Like, oh, I have to do my
meditation today. You know what I mean?
Like they're very like strict and regimented actually.
Yes, I think George was very much like that, and I'll have
some quotes later that show that.
But just like the other Beatles, we've talked about this before
with John and Paul, and he fell in love with records and guitar
as a young teen and became obsessed with playing guitar,
improving. George met Paul McCartney first
on the school bus and they learned that they both play
guitar. So they bonded over that and
started hanging out. George was a grade below Paul,
and Paul was already in a band called The Quarryman, which was
led by an older kid named John Lennon.
And so George heard about this. The Quarryman needed a guitarist
at some point, but George was three grades below John Lennon.
And I think John felt like it was kind of lame to hang out
with somebody that young, so he was hesitant to bring George on.
But then George was so good at guitar that he made the band.
So he's in The Quarryman, which eventually becomes The Beatles.
At what age? He was like 15 or something.
I hope I don't have the exact age, but.
But like around then? Yeah, they were playing
together. They're doing shows in
Liverpool. But then he ended school.
I think he ended school at like 16 or so, which sounds really
young, but I think it was kind of normal back then.
Yeah, I read that only like 3% of kids in England at the time
went to university after school. So he was trying to find a job,
and he started working as an apprentice electrician.
But then the band started to really take off, and they did
change their name to first they were the Silver Beatles and then
The Beatles. And at the time, the band was
actually Paul John George. Their drummer was Pete Best, and
then this guy's Stu Sutcliffe was the bassist.
So they had a different lineup. And I've talked about this
before, but eventually they went to Hamburg, Germany for two
years where they played in nightclubs every night and they
were building a fan base there. And they lived like in the club
downstairs or something. It was really weird.
But George was only 17 years old during this time in Germany,
which is crazy. He was so young.
He wasn't even old enough to go to the clubs that they were
playing at. Wow.
Just living this like Rockstar life, but very like,
underground, you know, like they weren't famous yet.
And actually, John Lennon, Paul McCartney and Pete Best were all
there when George lost his virginity because they all
shared A room. They all shared a room in bunk
beds and they were just there so.
They didn't give him the space. No.
That's awkward. I know what the hell, just go to
the club or something or stand outside, I don't know.
I guess George was always seen as like the little brother, like
he was the only one that was still a virgin.
And they would tease him about that, that kind of thing.
So that those are kind of like the roles that they had.
Jumping ahead, you know, they start to get more popular,
leaves the band, Pete Best, it's kind of kicked out and replaced
by Ringo. They get a record deal.
They start touring TV appearances that go to America.
Beatlemania, It's getting crazy. It's out of control.
It's The Beatles as we know them today.
And so I'm really jumping ahead. But The Beatles signed on to
create a film playing themselves called Hard Day's Night.
And the filming began in March 1964.
And on the first day of the film, The Beatles were all doing
a scene on a train with two schoolgirls and one of the
girls. Was played by a pretty young
blonde girl with mod style. She had one line and her name
was Patti Boyd I. Didn't realize they were so
young. Yeah, they were.
Because he was like 19. Yeah.
But who's Patti Boyd? Hang on, I need to take a sip.
Too excited? Oh my gosh, she always does.
Patti Boyd, just to introduce her.
Patti Boyd's been called, like, the ultimate rock'n'roll muse.
And I know muse has kind of a negative connotation these days,
but back in the 60s, it was, yeah, I would say so that, you
know, in a feminist way that women, women should be more than
just inspiration men to write songs or whatever.
But she is pretty legendary. She has so many songs written
about her. And I will get to that later,
but she has been described as quickly gorgeous with a gap in
her front teeth, large blue eyes, blonde hair.
She was definitely an IT girl of the Swing in 60s London.
She was a model but she was actually quite shy and insecure
and I have to say in all my research I never came across
anyone saying anything bad about Patty.
Seems like she was lovely to all so.
Nice. Yeah, Patty was born Patricia
and Boyd, and I just got to say our aunt's name, Patty.
So yeah, kind of sweet to be saying that name.
And it's all like names in our family, like George as well.
Yeah. So it sounds familiar, different
relation to George. Yeah, uncle by marriage.
But anyway, Patricia Ann Boyd was born March 17th, 1944 in
Somerset, England, and she was the oldest of four kids in, I
would say, a very wealthy family.
Her father was in the Royal Air Force, so the boys were actually
relocated to Nairobi, Kenya from 1948 to 1953 and Kenya was still
under British rule at the time. And kind of reminds me of Jeka
Prince William's. Oh, yes.
Oh. Yeah, Wasn't she in Kenya?
Yeah. Africa.
I don't. Know if she just spent summers
there but yeah she yeah seemed. Like she like lived there I feel
like. William would spend summers.
There with her. Yeah, William, what's been
summer's there and she'd be there, but I don't know if she
was there full time or if she also was just doing it that time
of year. Wasn't she like an
environmentalist? She was, yeah, like a teenage
environmentalist. Well, Patty was just there
because her parents moved there and at age 8, she was actually
put into a boarding school near Nairobi.
And it's not really clear why. Like, I think her mom was around
like her dad, but I think they just, that's just what they did,
you know, And they just put her in boarding.
And she said it was very traumatizing for her.
And during a half term break, she returned home and was
shocked to learn that her parents had divorced.
Wow, that's crazy they didn't tell her.
Yeah, it was already done. So in December 1953, she and her
siblings moved back to England with her mother's new husband,
Bobby Gamer Jones. And with her mother's second
marriage, Patty gained 2 half brothers.
And years later she learned that she had two half sisters through
her dad's second marriage. But I don't think she was really
in touch with her dad. Anymore.
Was her dad still in Kenya? I think so, yeah.
For some reason they didn't have, they didn't have a good
relationship, I don't think. Yeah.
I mean, yeah. They didn't keep in touch, but
that's crazy to me. And her stepfather was
apparently abusive and he openly cheated on her mother, to which
her mother just turned the blind eye and didn't do anything
about. And I think that really affected
Patty. And I think being sent away to
school and then finding about out about her parents divorce
like that gave her a great fear of abandonment.
I mean, she's even said it and she was afraid of being left
like that again and afraid of divorce.
And she, I would say, you know, if you are into the attachment
styles and just kind of like a pseudo psychology thing.
She seems like a very anxiously attached person to me, which I
can relate to. And I understand there's so if
anyone doesn't know, there's anxious attachment where you
have like a lot of anxiety about being apart from your partner.
You're not clingy per SE. I mean, there's different
degrees of it, but you. You need you need assurance.
Yeah. You're you're afraid of being
abandoned, whereas then there's the opposite end of the
spectrum. There's avoidant attachment
where I think you're afraid of being tied down.
Yes. Or like boxed in and then in the
middle there's whatever, just secure.
That's kind of the goal where you're just comfortably in the
relationship. You might feel anxiety
occasionally or you know, eating your space occasionally, but you
know not to the degree that an anxious or an avoidant type.
And it's just kind of like personality type.
It's not like it's a real science or anything, but it is
interesting. I think it can be helpful to
think about what you might be or whatever.
But I would say Patty is definitely anxious.
She after school began modeling in 1962 when she was 18.
And is this on a drinking game? She was working at a store in
London and someone just like discovered her there.
It should. Be.
I don't know. It should be, yeah, because I
think that happens a lot. People are just minding their
business and then they get their big break.
That being beautiful. I know, I think she was working
at a really popular department store, maybe not Selfridges,
like something like that. And I think she was in the
makeup section or something. So it was kind of adjacent, I
guess you can see it. But still, it's crazy.
And so after she became, she started modeling, she started
getting regular assignments at the time for Vogue and Vanity
Fair and Elle and Honey Magazine.
And also when spreads in newspapers like The Daily
Telegraph and the Times started getting commercials too.
Some of them you can still see on YouTube actually.
And she really was the IC girl of the time.
And she was known for her doll's eye makeup that she would wear,
the kind where the eyes are heavily defined.
And then there's a line on the eyelid.
And people say that Twiggy, I feel like Twiggy is known for
that makeup style. Like, I call it Twiggy makeup,
but apparently Twiggy was inspired by Patty Boyd.
To wear. I've tried to do that, make it
before, I can't figure it out it's so hard.
I think I've tried to did not come out well.
I. Always try.
I think that I think. Possibly it just looks better in
photos than it does in real life.
Definitely kind of weird I. Also don't think I have the eyes
for it either. I think you kind of need bigger
eyes too. I love it.
That's like, my favorite makeup style, but I know it's so hard
to pull off. Kind of reminded me of Cara
Delevingne. I feel like Cara, you know,
started the eyebrow, thick eyebrow.
I mean, maybe she wasn't the very first, but, I mean,
certainly not ever. But a lot of people copied her.
And, yeah. And she also is known for her,
like, girlish look, bubbly innocence.
And the 60s really was a time of youth, like, not trying to look
like a mature, glamorous woman. It was like trying to look like
a teenager forever. Like, that was kind of the start
of it. And I feel like Patti Boyd had
that look. It was very influential and was
very quirky too. She did have gap teeth and kind
of reminds me of Zoe Deschanel in a way.
Quirky. Tweet her tweet.
Yes. What do they call it?
Yes, very. Tweeted, tweeted, tweeted.
So where our story story starts. Patty did have a boyfriend.
His name was Eric Swain. Oh, that's Eric Topton.
I know another Eric. Yeah.
What the heck. And she had done a commercial,
and through that commercial, she knew a director and he got her
an audition for a project. And I think it had a fake name.
You know how they do that? She didn't really know that what
she was auditioning for was The Beatles, Hard Day's Night movie.
And she got the part and was going to have one line.
And apparently she was kind of freaking out and was like, I
don't even know how to act. What the heck?
And her agent or whoever said, you just have one line, Like,
can't you do that? And she said sure.
So she went. She was really nervous.
What's her one line? Her one line, I'll actually show
you guys it's, I have a clip of it.
So the scene that she was in in the movie, she's playing like a
schoolgirl on a train. And The Beatles talked to these
girls and when they were filming it, they were basically on the
train all day long apparently. Like they rode out one way and
then back, I think it was like 6 hours so.
And they were just stuck on this train.
Like they shot it on a real train, you know, in between
shooting, they were just hanging out together and talking.
And at lunchtime, like, Patty and George ended up sitting next
to each other and he seemed drawn to her.
And Patty has a memoir called Wonderful Tonight.
And in it, she wrote, On first impressions, John seemed more
cynical and brash than the others, Ringo the most
endearing. Paul was cute, and George, with
his velvet brown eyes and dark chestnut hair, was the best
looking man I'd ever seen. And at the break for lunch, I
found myself sitting next to him.
Whether by accident or design, I have never been sure.
We were both shy and spoke hardly a word to each other, but
being close to him was electrifying.
And then she said I could feel George looking at me and I was a
bit embarrassed. Ringo seemed the nicest and
easiest to talk to and so did Paul.
But I was terrified of John. I asked for all their autographs
except for John. I was too scared when I asked
for George. When I asked George for his, I
said could he sign it for my two sisters as well?
He signed his name and put two kisses for them.
Undermine. He put 7 kisses.
I thought he must. He must like me a little.
He came into our carriage later and talked to us.
Then he called me out into the corridor on my own.
So they step out into the corridor by themselves.
And apparently he said in some fashion, like, will you marry
me? And she laughed it off even it
was like a joke. But he said no, yeah, that's why
I'm like, I don't even know how he said this, but.
And then he said, well, then will you go out with me tonight?
And she told him, no, I have a boyfriend, but you could join
us. And George was like, no, I don't
want that. So OK.
She turned around or walked away.
And then she was kicking herself, realizing that she
didn't even like her boyfriend that much.
And she didn't think that she would see George ever again.
But then she was asked to come back to shoot another scene,
thank God. And she was in the presence of
George Harrison again. And this time, she told him that
her boyfriend was no longer in the picture and agreed to go on
a date with him. Wow.
So did she break up with her boyfriend between times or was
she just like I'm still with him but I plan to break up with
them? I'm not too sure but there was a
story about like her talking to her friends and her friends
saying like you don't even like him.
I'm not sure if she broke up with him or if she was just
planning on it, but she did break up with him.
Yeah, that's, that's when a relationship is holding you back
is when you're like, I'm still with the guy, but like I'd
rather say yes to someone else. Yeah, sucks for the guy, but
good thing that she, I guess, broke up with him and then went
after John, yeah. She was young, too.
So yeah, count whatever. It was probably just like, not
that serious anyway. So I do have a clip, it's really
short, but of Patty in Hard Day's Night and I guess we'll
play it. Hey, look at the talent.
Let's give him a pull. Should I?
Right. But don't rush.
None of your 5 bar gate jumps and over sorts of stuff.
What's that supposed to mean? I don't know.
I thought it just sounded distinguished.
Like George Harrison. The scars of distinction.
Excuse me, Madam, Excuse me, but these young men I'm sitting with
wondered if two of us could come over and join you.
I'd actually myself. Only I'm shy.
I'm sorry, miss. You mustn't fraternize with me.
Prisoners. Prisoners.
Convicted. Transit.
That's it. That's it.
Oh my gosh, I'm shy. Oh my gosh.
One of the first top comments is what most Americans hear.
Gibberish, Gibberish. Gibberish.
Excuse me, Madam, because my friends join you.
Gibberish. Gibberish.
I'm shy. Gibberish.
It's true.
Someone said why Patty act more that prisoner was just perfectly
executed. Paul is so cute, he really like
got into it. Sometimes I forget how old The
Beatles are because I do love them, but I was watching this
and like this is such a movie from the 50s and I'm like, wait,
they are from the 50s? I don't know.
It was like. Well, this is from the 60s, but
yeah, they you could say they're from the 50s like they, it was
like. Yeah, they got 50s.
I don't. Know the way they were acting
was reminding me of like Mary Poppins or something with Dick
Van Dyke and I was like Oh my God, they really are all old.
But also in a strange way, it was like, oh guys, so happy.
It was reminding me of One Direction, you know, not that
they're like a boy bang band, but they're a band of men, boys,
young, you know, like 19 year olds here.
It's kind of funny how like Ageless fandom can be in that
sense of like, I could totally picture myself being a teenage
girl, like eating this up and watching it over and over again.
Yeah, I think, I mean, the difference is that they played
instruments and their own songs, but they were very much in kind
of the pop machine. They were doing these movies,
playing themselves and all these promotional things, and they had
fan magazines and all that stuff.
And their fan base was a majority of their fan base was
teenage girls. So it is pretty similar to One
Direction. Maybe One Direction will gain
more appreciation in the future, I don't know.
Everybody does I truly everything gains more
appreciation. But The Beatles aren't
interesting because they did change a lot.
Like, I mean, they stopped touring, they started writing
just much more musically complex songs.
So I feel like that's why they have like a different
reputation. But they definitely were in the
beginning, much more poppy. Yeah.
I mean, like, I want to hold your hand.
Like those kind of songs. Very different.
I was always funny. Dad seems to prefer old Beatle
like the early Beatles to later Beatles.
Yeah, I mean I kinda do too in a way.
I mean I like the older Beatles too, but I kinda do like the
poppy Doo woppy type sound. I don't know.
Yeah, but I do like older people do newer Beatles, I suppose if
you can. I like both.
I. Think that I think their later
albums are more interesting to listen to on repeat, but that's
a whole lot of conversation, so yeah.
Well, Patty looked really cute in that clip.
She's very cute. Yeah, because she said yes to go
on a date with him. And then their first date was
actually planned by and accompanied by The Beatles
manager Brian Epstein, which is strange, but Brian Epstein did
everything for The Beatles. He was like their dad, even
though he was only, like, a couple years older than them.
And I feel like they got so used to that, like, Oh yeah, Brian,
Old planet, whatever. Was he like also kind of acting
as a security guard for them too?
I don't know, I, I heard that they brought them to like a kind
of exclusive club like dinners club place.
Like, I don't know, I feel like. This happens a lot.
Not to spoil, but a couple I'm researching right now and like
working on the script for, they will constantly just go on
one-on-one dates with like their assistant also there.
Wow. Yeah.
So maybe it's just normal for celebrities to just have like
someone else there for some reason.
I don't know. Yeah.
I mean, maybe you're right. Maybe I I know that Brian always
wanted to make sure the press weren't finding them or like
crowds weren't forming, that kind of thing.
So he probably just wanted to be there to make sure everything
went OK. It is strange, though.
And yeah, they're, they're dating.
It took off really quickly. It feels like a Cinderella story
or something because like, the next week, she took a private
plane with George and John Lennon and Cynthia Lennon to
Ireland for Easter. And there was paparazzi.
And, like, the crowds are swarming them.
Happened kind of fast. And for the rest of the year,
Patty and George would try to see each other secretly without
being seen. But people did learn about the
relationship and Patty started tons of nasty letters from fans
telling her to stay away from George and that they were really
his girlfriend. That's scary.
They have her address. I know.
It is scary, yeah. I feel like back then it was
kind of scary, like they didn't have security cameras everywhere
and stuff like that. Yeah, I mean cuz people can now
they do the same, but they just send nasty DMS and you can just
kind of block that out. But if you're constantly getting
like multiple letters sent to your house.
Yeah. And you you don't know if you
should open it or not like. Yeah.
You can't talk. About a nice letter, Yeah.
So you want to read like, oh, a nice fan mail, blah, blah, blah.
So you open it and it's like, I don't know.
Yeah, and it was really getting to George.
It's only 1964, but he was already becoming really numb to
all the screaming fans and even resenting it.
And he was already sort of over becoming a Beatle.
Yeah. Believe it or not, because this
is still like early Beatles days, only a few months into
dating, Patty moved into George's home, which was called
Kinfons in Esher. He had bought this huge, like,
country estate that had a name. So, you know, it's fancy.
And Patty said, my mother knew, but she never questioned.
She never mentioned it, you know, back then, kind of
scandalous to live together and not married, but nobody.
Really talked about it. I mean, you're rock stars.
Yeah, here I just reflected about them as a couple, and I
wrote that I think that they're both sort of quiet,
introspective people, sweet and cute together.
Both seemed very smitten and like proud to be dating each
other because Patty was the ultimate cool girl at the time
and very beautiful, and George was a beetle and immensely
talented and cute and they both liked reading and meditation and
spirituality and yoga, things like that.
Patty actually was into meditation before George.
Many people don't know that. It's kind of known as his thing.
So I feel like they were both on each other's wavelength, so to
speak. All right, now it's Christmas
1964 and George meets another important character that would
change his life, a guy named Eric Clapton.
Oh my gosh.
I know they met for the first time at The Beatles Christmas
show. Eric's band, the band that he
was in, The Yardbirds, was opening for The Beatles and
they, George and Eric bonded backstage over playing guitar
because they were both outside the lead guitarist or they were
into playing solos and things like that.
Eric was known for being an amazing Blues guitarist.
In fact, there was graffiti in London at the time that
everybody talked about that said Clapton is God.
Like he was really known as being like his only rival was
Jimi Hendrix. Like he was known as being like
the best guitarist Eric and George really bonded over.
Their love of music. And I think they looked up to
each other. I mean, Eric was probably a
better guitarist than George, but George had more success than
Eric. And so they, you know, admired
each other. And Eric started hanging out at
George's house a lot, playing guitar, but also doing acid and
probably other drugs. And they started making music
together and working on each other's projects, and they
considered each other best friends.
Eventually, about a year later, December again, 1965, George
said to Patty. One day, let's get married just
kind of casually. And she agreed.
And then he said, OK, I'll go to speak to Brian.
So he talked to his manager and he was like, yeah, this seems
like a good time. Like, how about next month?
Well, not very romantic. I know it wasn't that romantic.
So about a month later, yeah. January 21st, 1966 George and
Patty married at the Epsom Register office.
Just OK. Casual.
What would you call that just? Town hall wedding.
Just a town hall. Ceremony.
For some reason, like all The Beatles did that early in the
morning and Patty had always dreamt of a large church wedding
with bridesmaids and confetti, but the manager, Brian Epstein,
said it had to be a quiet affair.
So Dang Dad, I know why. They could.
Get away with the Yeah, they could get away with the big
wedding. Because they're busy, I know.
No, they thought that there'd just be way too many crowds,
kind of like just Taylor Swift. And we talked.
Really. Oh.
My gosh, they could, yeah, buy security.
It's not like like they've had royal weddings with huge crowds
and stuff and they're still able to hold weddings.
I don't know. I mean, I don't have a lot more
money, but. It would have to be like royal
wedding level, probably. Yeah, they were as famous as
that. Or like Taylor Swift, I would
say like it was. Yeah.
Probably 100,000 people or something would swarm if they
knew that a people was getting married.
But I I agree, I think they could have done it.
They. Would have to only invite people
who are tight lipped to like don't like, I don't know if they
did Ndas back then but like do not tell anybody.
Keep it a secret because there wasn't really social media, so
people couldn't like, you know, spread the word that much.
I know they did something that they just did.
I don't know. Yeah, I think if they just
invited like other celebrities, I think they'd be fine with
keeping the word I know or whatever.
I don't know. But can't change that now.
This was like 60 years ago. George was 22 and Patty was 21.
Wow, so young. Yeah, Paul was the best man
alongside Brian Epstein. John and Mingo didn't attend for
some reason because they were house on holiday slash vacation.
I mean, it was going to spur them.
Yeah, and it was small. It was small.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They will be like, oh, I'm, I'm
getting married next month. And John was like, I've already
planned to be in like Aruba then like, I'm not changing my plans
for you. Paul came.
Paul was there. Yeah, Paul, that's nice at.
Least there's one of them. I got to say, Paul is always so
reliable. I yeah, he definitely is.
So I do have a clip of George and Patty.
They did, even though they wanted to be so private.
And it was I think a few days later they did a press thing
that the label made them do or something.
So I do have a little interview with them.
Patty, do you think you're going to ever live the life of a
normal housewife now? Yeah, it's cool.
Are you going to stay out of the limelight?
Yes, out of your own choice. Yes.
And what about the family? How many children you want to
have? About 339.
Give up the tape. Can I have the story of your
romance Happy? How does it all start?
Well we met in the set of the Hard Days Nights and George and
others are filming it and I was chosen to play the part of the
school girl by Get dressed in Ruth Shenton and good old Dick
left and Walters. Well I've been there for and
take it up to there. What happened then?
Well, actually, I tried. I asked Patty out when we were
making the film and she said no. It is very embarrassing of the
time, but it all worked out right in the end.
And yeah, in fact, I asked Patty to marry me while we were making
Hard Day's Night. And see, so did I Surprise.
Oh, I thought he was joking. I thought, oh, he doesn't really
mean it. I pretend he hasn't said it.
And it's taken you, this one to convince him?
No, not really. I just thought they wanted to
stake me claim on us. A little beret.
So cute. That was cute.
They're like a royal couple. It was cute, yeah.
Crazy that one of the questions was like are you going to be a
stay at home housewife? It wasn't you like, Oh, yes.
Yes, she's like, yes, of course. Why you can die?
Of course. Different times.
They are so cute though. George did look so cute.
I'm sorry to talk about another episode I covered, but I was
just struck looking at that how much Alexa Chung and Alex Turner
I think tried to look like them. Yeah, definitely.
Tried to channel it. Really cute though, they were
holding hands the whole. Time.
It was cute when he was like, oh, I asked her out and she said
no, which was very embarrassing for me.
Yeah. So cute.
Oh, do you mind if we go to the bathroom or I take a bathroom
break? Don't mind at all.
All right, let's take a break. OK?
OK, so after their wedding, Patty and George went to India,
which was a shared passion of theirs, apparently, and they did
yoga and meditation there. Mike laughing.
I was. Just going to say like the Pope
spotted in the Vatican or something.
George is so associated with India.
I know, I know, I. Have to mention it.
I know there could be somebody like. 14 listening that doesn't
know that I don't. Know, I know, but no, it's just
funny that this seems to be like, I don't know if it's the
first time you spend to India, but it's just funny.
Oh, they go to India and then that becomes like George's, like
whole personality down the line. It is.
He was into Hinduism and Indian culture, but he did go multiple
times. It wasn't just one time that he
went to India. So I think this was the second
time he went. Yeah, As I said, Patty was
actually into meditation before George.
But then he started getting really into it, and he started
becoming absolutely consumed by his interest in Eastern
spirituality and Indian music and such, and was really
withdrawing from others in the outside world into this
obsession. And it was almost like nothing
else really mattered or everything else was kind of
stupid besides, you know, meditating and focusing on being
with God or whatever. So there's kind of a shift in
the relationship. I would say.
August 1967, everything was kind of turned upside down in The
Beatles world because their manager, Brian Epstein, suddenly
died of a drug overdose. And he was quite young.
Let me look up how old he was. He was 32 when he died.
And it was a terrible shock for them all.
Like he was the first young person that they'd really known
that died like their first friend.
Like, yeah, he was their manager, but he was their friend
too. And he did everything for them.
He was like their father almost, even though he was only a few
years older. So they I really think that this
happening was the beginning of the downfall of The Beatles.
And it did lead to like a clash over power, which we've talked
in the other Beatles episodes about like Paul kind of taking
over and then resentment starting and you know, all that
kind of stuff. But to cope with it, then all
The Beatles went to India together.
Obviously George's idea on a retreat and Patty went to and a
lot happened on that. I mean, we talked about that in
the John Lennon one, but I will just skip over that for now.
But you should just know that they went to India and they did
a lot of meditating and trying to heal and things like that.
Then they came. Back reminds me, I know we
talked about this before, but it's only now that I'm like, oh,
this reminds me of the Darjeeling Limited or something.
Yeah. Can you remind me, did their
father die their? Dad died and so to reconnect
they went to India. Should rewatch that.
That's one of my favorite W Henderson movies.
Yeah, BT dubs. I love that one, especially now.
Like Adrian Brody just won. So yeah, should revisit it by
wondering Oscar. They were inspired potentially
maybe by The Beatles. Maybe they were kind of
brothers. In 1968, the writer Hunter
Davies, who wrote The Beatles book that I use for every single
Beatles episode, he visited George and Patty's home and
wrote about it. And this is what he wrote.
He wrote of all the wives, so just Cynthia Lennon and Maureen
Starkey. Patty is perhaps the most Co
equal with her husband. This is before Linda as well.
So Paul wasn't married yet but he wrote they're both very
modern in their marriage. The way the magazines are always
telling us, modern marrieds are more than the other Beatle
wives. She shares her husband's
interest. She was in at the very beginning
of the interest in Indian culture and share those
developments. But she does retain some freedom
and independence of her own. Still doing a little bit of
modeling work. I don't really know what he
meant by like, they're the most modern.
Maybe she didn't make dinner or something.
I don't know. Like I don't know what she
means. Kids at this.
Point, right. No, yeah.
So maybe also that I don't. Know she didn't make dinner.
Indian music and religion was George's top focus in life right
now and The Beatles were not really his priority anymore.
Although Patty still described the four lads as being really
close and said that if one experiences something that
others have to know about it, even just a mood, they have to
all rush off and tell each other about it.
They have crazes. When a craze hits the rest of
them, the whole house has to be overturned until George gets
what they've got. But it keeps them all happy.
Sweet, I thought that was cute. That is, it's sweet that they
were all so close. I.
Know. And it's like, not the same.
I mean, obviously, because two of them are no longer with us.
But it's said that in the later years they weren't like that.
I know, I feel like they just don't have time to like resolve
everything. But I will say, I mean, I didn't
even include this in my notes because it's not so much about
The Beatles, but they did have a falling out.
But I do think that they all like we're on good terms and
we're friends by the time like John and George died, so but.
Not the same. I know, I know, but George had
another friend too. Remember Eric Clapton?
Oh, is he about to come in? He's coming back in.
He's coming back in the story. In early 1968, Eric Clapton
actually played on the track while My Guitar Gently Weeps,
which is George Harrison's song. And it's pretty remarkable
because usually nobody else plays on Beatles tracks besides
The Beatles. It's kind of crazy that George
asked him to be on it and play guitar.
So it just shows like how good of friends they were that he
brought him into the band like that.
Later in 1968, George wrote the song Something About Patty,
which people say Frank Sinatra says one of the most beautiful
love songs of all time. And he told her it was about
her. So it's certifiably about her.
And the open opening lyric was actually taken from the title of
Something in The Way She Moves, a track by James Taylor, another
significant lover. So you guys probably know, but
the lyrics are something in the way she moves attracts me like
no other lover. Something in the way she woos
me. I don't want to leave her now.
You know, I believe in how OK, I gotta stop for a second.
How when I was when I was younger, I me too.
I always. Too.
I always thought the lyric was I don't wanna leave her now you
know I believe in hell. I thought I am today years old,
learning that that is not the lyric.
Yeah, really. He's saying, yeah, it's the
accent usually. He's actually saying like, you
know, I believe and how like and how I believe.
It's like a. It's a weird phrasing, but
people do say that sometimes, like.
I don't believe it. Yeah.
No, it's, it's real. When people sing covers of it do
they say hell though? Like in the movie Across the
Universe Do they say I? Swear.
No, I think it's, I swear. Across the universe, they say.
Hell, I swear. Well, it's.
You gotta believe me because it does change the meaning because
when I was younger, I did, I asked Charlie about this even
too. Like, I guess by younger, I mean
like a couple years ago I was like, I don't get these lyrics.
Like why is he saying that? Because I thought by saying I
don't want to leave her now, you know, I believe in hell.
I thought he was saying like he was leaving her for good, like
he was going with somebody else or something.
And I'm like, he sounds so in love with her.
So why is he leaving her? But I think it's he's not
really. I think it's like he doesn't
want to leave her to go to work or like tonight, like it's not
like a final leaving. I said, you know I believe and
how. I still don't get the and how
part but it's. Well, it's kind of like a
British phrasing that we don't really use, but.
Oh, I don't know how to leave her.
No, it's you know, I believe and like and how you know I believe
and how I believe basically is what he's saying.
I'm. Not getting it.
No, I believe in how, Yeah. I just thought it was like, I
don't believe her. Like if I left her I would go to
hell because it's such a bad, bad act.
Like I would never leave her because.
That's what I thought too. It's.
It's a hell. Action to leave her like life
would be hell without her. Yeah, true.
I I will keep singing hell every OK, It's like I still won't get
you know? I like hell better, I think.
Yeah. Yeah.
That is crazy. I swear I didn't know that until
the 2nd. Me too.
Cool, glad I could teach you guys something.
You know I. Believe in hell?
You know it. Keeps me singing it.
Somewhere in her smile she knows I don't need no other lovers.
Something in her style that shows me I don't want to leave
her now you know I believe and how?
And then you're asking me, will my love grow?
Grow. I don't know.
You stick around the Whitney
show, it's a great song. It is.
Beautiful. Great.
I think it's amazing that sorry tangent, but that George
Harrison didn't write that many Beatles songs, but basically all
of his were such hits. Crazy, I know.
He should have written more. Maybe he just didn't have that
many ideas. That's part of the reason why he
wanted out. But anyway, we'll get to that in
a bit. I'm going to skip this part
'cause I feel like it's not that important.
Well, I'll just say she used to be like a frequent feature in
significant lovers. But Princess Margaret did come
up because they went to a Pisces party, which by the way,
apparently Patty Boyd is a Pisces and is really into that.
And Patty's sister Paula was there and offered Princess
Margaret a joint. So.
Yeah, there was a hot second when Princess Margaret was like
the John Mayer. I know.
Disappear. I know.
And John Mayer kind of disappeared.
Yeah. I feel like I could bring him up
again just to say that he kind of reminds me of Eric Clapton.
Oh. OK.
OK, OK. And even the way they play
guitar, I would say I'm pretty sure John Mayer's, like, covered
him. So probably, yeah.
Around this time, George's buddy Eric Clapton moved not far from
George and Patty outside of London.
He also got a big country estate like George.
Not the time. Like, all the rock stars were
doing this, getting huge historic homes with big gardens
with names. It was a thing.
And Eric started coming by the house quite often to play with
guitar with George. And as I said, do acid and talk
for hours. And Philippe Mora, the French
painter and filmmaker, I guess he hung out with them.
I don't know how he knows this, but he said they'd talk for
hours in Eric's room. So at Eric's house, I guess, and
then go off somewhere just the two of them.
So I have very deep connection. And about George, Eric said.
I felt like basking in a golden light walking into a restaurant
or anywhere with George. Everything that I thought I was
shriveled into nothing. What the fuck?
This is such a bromance, I know. Was it a throuple?
I don't know. But while they were becoming,
yeah, while they were becoming best friends, Eric also started
to enjoy being around Patty. He couldn't help but notice her
beauty, her sweetness, her cuteness, and he started
secretly falling for her. She was his best friend's wife.
Yes, and a good friend of mine. Something changing?
I'm doing fine. That came up.
I wanna make your mind I. Played like three times on our
playlist. Yeah, Patty was his best
friend's wife, and Eric had a girlfriend, too.
Oh, very popular business, Eric. George didn't seem to notice, or
if he did, he didn't really care.
But he did get mad at Eric for something else.
In 1968, he had sent Eric an early copy of the White Album,
and Eric played it for some friends, and Eric told George
everybody loved it. But then George was like, what
the hell, man? You weren't supposed to show
anybody and thought it was like a betrayal.
And he got mad about that. He's.
Showing himself as not trustworthy.
True true true true colors. So Eric and his girlfriend, who
was a French model named Charlotte Martin, they were sort
of couple friends with George and Patty.
They would hang out as a foursome, but all the while Eric
was trying not to stare at Patty because he was in love with her.
And in late December 1968, he broke up with Charlotte because
he knew he was really in love with Patty.
What? What's his end game here?
That's weird. It's strangely I know she's
married to your friend. Strangely, I know Charlotte
didn't seem that upset. Wait, he told her.
Well, I don't know if he told her, but she didn't seem that
upset that they'd broken up. And at a New Year's Eve party,
well, this is really a New Year's episode.
I just got to say, like, New Year's keeps coming up.
It will. Later at a New Year's Eve party,
Patty saw Charlotte getting uncomfortably close with her
husband George Harrison. And of course everybody was on
drug, cocaine, weed, alcohol, LSD.
But what the heck is happening? And Patty had had suspicions
about George having one night stands and affairs, but this
really confirmed it to her. She saw him with Charlotte
acting all cozy, which is Eric's ex.
Like what the heck is happening? But was it like anything too
damning or what? Like were they just cuddling on
a? Sofa or something or really like
make it out. It was damning.
I don't know what happened but she did like go home with George
and I'm pretty sure they slept together tis.
Tis tis. I know.
And Patty was so upset about this that she left the house and
went to stay with her friends. Yeah.
And it wasn't. That would have been crazy if
she went to stay with Eric. Oh, like.
OK, while she was while she was at her friend's place, Eric
called and said, I know you're on your own.
Would you like to come out to dinner?
I'd say yeah. She's she said no.
Oh, I'd say yeah, fuck it. If if my husband is cheating on
me with your ex, then baby, we're going to do the same thing
because. We we have a rule on this
podcast. You can cheat if your partner
cheats. So all spared in love.
She was still in love with George George and she wasn't
ready for that. And so days later, George called
her and said Charlotte's gone back to France and begged her to
come home. Days later.
I, I, we do have that role on our podcast, but if anyone finds
themselves in this position, I feel like if you get cheated on
and then you cheat on them in retaliation, that in a way kind
of disempowers you to get mad about the original cheating,
even though the other person did it first.
You can't really like, hold that over that person anymore, you
know? Also, if you're going to go to
the length of cheating on your partner because they cheated on
you, just leave them. Yeah, just.
Yeah, like and what are you? Even in this relationship, you
know. Like if you want to make it
work, that's not gonna help. It's.
Not no, but if you want to end it, it might help you feel
better and like it. Yeah, Yeah.
Just like get yourself dolled up and go out and like have fun and
don't worry about him, you know, just.
Yeah, if there's somebody else in the wings that's been in love
with you for years. OK, Yeah.
Yeah, but she she didn't, and she went back to George and
forgave him. So we're moving on now.
It's 1969, and this is during the Abbey Road slash Let It Be
recording sessions because they recorded those albums kind of at
the same time, and they were filmed for the eventual
documentary that finally came out called Get Back.
And there's a part of it where it's like on camera, you can see
it. George quits the band.
It only lasts for like a day. But he's feeling fed up with
Paula telling him how to play. And he also just wanted to play
his own music. And he felt like it was a waste
of time. SO1 morning.
George doesn't show up into this.
He doesn't show up in the studio.
And John Lennon is heard saying, let's get Eric in.
He's just as good and not such a headache.
Wow. Thinking that I was honestly
wondering, sorry, not to get ahead of it, but I was thinking
to myself, when Eric like when you're like, oh, Eric's a much
better like guitar player. I was like, did he George ever
wonder or get scared that they could replace him with Eric?
Maybe. And I don't think he knew about
that, but he should have been scared because John even said
that. I know, my gosh.
And I'll talk about this next episode, But Eric Clapton
actually went from like band to band to band.
So it's like, not hard to imagine.
But that didn't happen. It just shows like, yeah, it was
a pretty intense friendship. Like, I do think that they cared
for each other a lot, but they were kind of rivals in a way.
And I think that they both were competitive with each other.
Yeah. And so Eric was still longing
for Patty, even though she had turned him down that time.
And he had started a new relationship, too.
He may or may not have even been engaged.
But it's kind of weird. Like, I can't really figure out
if that was true or not. One of those things.
But Eric and George's friendship continued.
They played together kind of in an off time from The Beatles.
They played together with this band, Delaney and Bonnie and
friends, and they contributed to each other's projects and just
like doing random shows and stuff.
And I just wanted to mention I said this a couple episodes ago,
but it probably didn't mean that much to us then, but now it
does. Around this time, Patty's
younger sister Jenny Boyd, who was also a model.
So imagine they're like the 1960s Gigi and Belt Hadid or
something. Her sister Jenny Boyd was now
dating and then eventually married Mick Fleetwood.
Oh, yeah. And so her sister is the wife
that Mick Fleetwood cheated on with with, with Stevie.
Remember we were talking about that.
Yes, I think. Yeah, I remember that.
It's all connected. I know we should like connect
the web sometime with our significant lovers and like how
we can like connect all of them. Together somehow.
Yeah, we should. That would be really fun.
So that's one sister. Patty had another sister named
Paula who was younger, the youngest.
She was 18, and George started showing an interest in Paula.
Oh my God. George, I didn't.
Know he was such a dog this is you know I so I.
Loved George and I didn't know this about him.
It's OK, I can still love him. But he asked for Paula to attend
a show that him and Eric were doing, and he was showing a lot
of attention and interest in Paula.
What's your sister-in-law? I.
Wonder what, Eric? Thought I know literally his
sister-in-law George was changing a lot.
He was starting to get arrogant. He told Patty that he saw
himself like the God Krishna, who had thousands of lives.
And. He was doing that thing where he
was being brutally honest as a way of being like enlightened
and past pretenses, but it was just kind of hurtful, you know
what I mean? So he's kind of pursuing Paula,
which is fucked up. But in a crazy twist of events,
it was actually Eric that ended up with Paula.
Wow. Oh my.
Gosh, I wonder if because he couldn't get Paddy and John was
also like interested in Paula, he was like, you know what, I'm
going to get Paula because you can't have Paula and Pat with.
John. Something, you know.
No, Eric. Oh, he said, John.
Yeah, you said John, you did. Oh, I meant that's OK.
You. Have to say Eric.
Yeah, no, he he actually said that.
He admitted to it. He was like it was a replacement
for. Patty Yeah, that's a toxic
friendship. I know it's insane.
I can't even believe.
I feel like this is crazier than like Stevie and Lindsay and it's
almost like ancient Rome level. Like, what are you guys doing?
I think it was just a casual hookup between Eric and Paula,
but Oh my God and this is so bad.
He also introduced Paula to heroin.
That's. Bad.
Not good. Not.
I mean not. I feel so.
Kind of cavalier about heroin back then.
So you know what? They were.
I feel like they didn't know how bad it was and I think he was
snorting it not like and I think people thought it was just like
cocaine or something. Yeah.
But still so bad. And I just have to tally now.
Like Eric and George have now both been interested in or had a
thing with Patty Boyd, Paula Boyd and the French model
Charlotte Martin. So my gosh.
So many. Girls, I mean.
This is OK. This is a wild.
I'd say there are friendships like that where and it's not the
healthiest friendship. You like someone or you're
interested in someone and then your friend like suddenly is
like, Oh, I have to have that person now.
And it's like it it stems more so from a competitiveness with
each other. And so I almost wonder if like
if George had someone, Eric wanted that girl, vice versa.
Like they it just was about one upping each other.
Oh my God, it's kind of giving challengers.
It is. It kind of is.
I think they're competitive a little bit about their guitar
playing and now with like girls. And there also was like some
kind of weird sensual bromance with them.
I don't know what's going on there, but.
It is kind of like Challengers. Yeah.
As I said, George was also super intense about his meditation and
interested in like the Harry Krishna movement, and it was
starting to divide him and Patty as a couple.
It was really all he cared about.
And he started to look down on man, on materialistic things
like modeling and fashion, which were their livelihood.
You know, they were also unsuccessful at starting a
family. They had been trying, but it
wasn't working. And George wouldn't consider
adoption apparently. Weird.
So Patty started modeling again after a hiatus, and George kind
of looked down on it because he thought it was morally wrong.
So that's difficult. Like you don't want your spouse
disapproving of your career, you know, like that's got to suck.
Patty's always described George as very kind and sweet, but he
was getting increasingly Moody and persnickety, probably
because of the fame. And there is one famous story
about George being on a plane meditating and the flight
attendant asked if he wanted anything, to which he replied
fuck off, can't you see I'm meditating?
Oh my God. OK, so it's not really working
though. I know I feel bad, I feel like
it looks bad on George but he so it depends in.
A bad mood or something. Maybe he did need something to
eat. Maybe he needed stickers or.
Something April 10th, 1970, The Beatles officially broke up.
The writing had been on the wall for a while.
They weren't really getting along.
I know it's really sad. George was going through a lot
at this time in his life, and actually his mother had recently
been diagnosed with brain cancer.
The prognosis was not good. I know.
And she actually died a few months later.
I know. She was so sweet.
She was like the sweetest mum to say in British terms.
It's so sad. She died the summer of 1970.
Yeah. So my heart really does go out
to him like he was being kind of a jerk.
But I, I do feel bad for him. I mean, it must be hard.
She died like a couple of months after The Beatles ending.
I know, Oh my God, like that's a lot to go through.
I know. I imagine, I mean, being some
part of something as huge as The Beatles.
I think deciding to end it would be a really hard decision.
And I feel like there would be a lot of doubt and I think it
would be very anxiety inducing. And then to also go through this
too at the same time, it's just, it's awful.
Yeah. I do feel bad for George at this
point. Meanwhile, his pal Eric was
still tormented by his love for Paddy.
And he did have a girlfriend, but it was like off and on with
her. Around this time, when The
Beatles broke up, their last album, Let It Be actually came
out after they had broken up. And on the album, there was a
song written by George about Paddy called For You Blue and
apparently was partially inspired by Bob Dylan, like his
sound because he had recently hung out with him.
And the lyrics are pretty, very simple.
But they're because you're sweet and lovely, girl.
I love you because you're sweet and lovely, girl.
It's true. I love you more than ever, girl.
I do. I want you in the morning, girl.
I love you. I want you in the moment.
I feel blue. I'm living every moment, girl,
for you. I've loved you from the moment I
saw you. You looked at me.
That's all you had to do. I feel it now.
I hope you feel it too, it's very sweet.
But. But there are many tales of
George being unfaithful to Patty at this time and acting cold to
her. So it's hard to understand.
Like, I mean, we're just outsiders, but I feel like for
her, it must have been really confusing that he would be so
sweet but then so difficult at other times.
I feel like a lot happened in the summer of 1970.
I mean, George lost his mom. This album came out, and then
there was this point in the summer where Patty attended a
party after a West End show had opened.
It was like an after party, and George didn't go, but Eric
Clapton was there, and she ended up spending all night with Eric,
talking closely to him, laughing, looking at each other,
probably very intensely. And it went late, I'm guessing
maybe like 2:00 AM. It's described as like in the
morning, suddenly George appeared out of nowhere, like he
hadn't been at the party. But then suddenly he was there
walking up and spotted them alone in the garden and said,
what's going on here? And Eric just said it.
He said. I have to tell you, man, I'm in
love with your wife. Oh my God.
Well, maybe. Like a movie Eric could have
been. Shaky though, like oh, where
have you been? I'm in love with your wife.
You better. Come take her.
No, it wasn't really, George. Had a sixth sense or something.
He just knew something was up. Well, yeah, I was gonna talk
about this more in depth in the next episode, But he was
wondering, like, where is Patty? Like the hours are going by.
And so he just went to the party and found her.
But he said to Patty, who are you going home with?
Like, is it gonna be him or me? And she said, I'm coming home
with with you, George. So she went with George.
And Eric was devastated. And we'll talk more about his
side of things next time. But he pretty soon after that
took off, he had a new band called Derek and the Dominoes.
And he went down to Miami with them and they created an album
called Layla and other assorted love songs.
Like the whole album is about her.
And when Eric got back to England from recording this
album, he wrote to her in October 1970.
And it was a love letter. I'm going to read it next time,
asking her if she still loved her husband and I'll get more
into it. But he was laying out all his
feelings and he had signed the letter E and addressed it to L,
which confused Patty. She hadn't known the letter was
from him. She didn't know what L meant.
And she didn't reply. Like love.
And then he called and I'm guessing was like, hey, yo, did
you get my letter? And she was like, what letter?
And it apparently ended in like a lot of embarrassment and
nothing moved forward, you know? And Patty was really shocked by
Eric's letter, but probably kind of flattered too because George
was still acting pretty distant and kind of cold towards her.
That November 1970, George released his first solo album
post Beatles, All Things Must Pass, which was hugely
successful. It's considered by many to be
the best solo Beatles record. Oh, it is amazing.
I mean, like, my sweet Lord is on it.
Great album. He has some great music.
Yeah, he does. That same month, Eric released
with his band Dark and the Dominoes, Layla and other
assorted love songs All about Paddy.
The whole album. As I said, Wait again.
Well, no. Like he had recorded it, but now
it came. Out in the.
Same month as All Things Must Pass.
Yeah. And he asked to see Paddy,
invited her to his flat in London.
He played the album for her and it won her over.
They ended up sleeping together. Yes, but wait, I love him.
She went back home to George. Oh my God.
George and Eric still friends. They are still.
Friends. Yeah.
Wow. Oh my gosh.
I can imagine. I don't blame her.
They sleep together. She's.
She's moved. She's.
Like, Oh my God, I didn't know, like you really felt this way
for me. I mean, he, I know he wrote the
letter and stuff, but a whole album.
And she's sitting on the couch and he's looking at her.
And then they just like do it. And then like, cut to it's like
in the middle of the night or something.
And she gets up from bed and she looks at him sleeping and she's
like, what have I done? So she like picks up her clothes
and changes and she's holding her heels or whatever.
And she looks back and he's still sleeping.
And then she leaves. And then she goes back to where
George is. Oh my God.
I don't blame her though. Like I feel like George has put
her through the ringer. And this is someone who's like,
no, making her feel special and seen and.
Beautiful. And I feel like she's feeling
neglected by George, so I know, right?
And it wouldn't do the same. Thing one song on.
Like every album, Meanwhile, Erica's here composing a whole
album of love songs. And we're going to, we're going
to listen to the song. Next time.
And it's pretty hot, actually. Fun, Eric wrote her another
letter. Which by.
The way we can read these letters and they're out there
because Patti Boyd in the future, like nowadays, put them
out for auction. Wow.
Oh my God. So it's just out there.
I know it's crazy. I guess she can do cash, but I
know that you're going to sell this personal memento.
From I Know, Eric. Kind of sad, I know.
I wonder how? Much they sold really doesn't
give a fuck. She must've needed that money.
Maybe she took a photocopy. I know anyways, she like
auctioned it off to like a museum.
Or something, but just some random person.
Maybe we'll end up in a museum someday.
That's what happens. A lot of the times, yeah, it
does happen a lot. But so he wrote her another.
Letter asking how she felt and I'm going to read the whole
thing next time but he said if you want me take me.
I am yours dot dot dot. But still she's stuck By George.
George knew that Eric was in love with Patty because Eric had
told him, but they still continued to be friends.
It's almost like he just shrugged it off.
It's the strangest thing. Like he still asked Eric to be
part of his concert for Bangladesh, which was in 1971.
Boys are so weird about some stuff.
It's like. I know like that's an issue.
And then the boys. Will be like oh girls.
Always have so much. Drama in their friendships.
It's like, yeah. Because if someone came on to my
boyfriend, I would not be friends with them anymore.
Obviously. Yeah, I know like, but boys will
just like. They just ignore stuff.
It's like, OK, this is obviously this needs to be a little bit of
drama because this is a problem here.
Maybe he just thought it was resolved because Patty.
Chose him. George, Sophie, maybe Eric is
dating someone at the time. So he's like, oh, he moved on,
it's fine, whatever. I don't know.
But Gee, I know it's very confident of him to be.
Like, oh, well, you know, Patty chose me, so it's fine.
But I think, I mean, Patty basically said this in her book
that it kind of hurt her. Like she kind of wanted to see
George fight for her a bit. And he just didn't really even
react. He just was like, so casual
about it, and it was kind of hurtful to her.
Like, does that even make you worried or like, do you even
care? You know, like, I could go with
him, you know, like, you cheated on me.
Like, why are you not even concerned about this?
1972 So their relationship hadn't been going so well.
And then they were in a bad car accident.
George was actually driving, and Patty was very hurt with a
bruised rib. And she had to be in the clinic
for two weeks. But this kind of, like, patched
things up between them a little bit.
Like, apparently he returned sort of to his former sweet self
for a time, like doting on her. Was he at fault for the
accident? Yeah.
Yeah, he actually did lose his license, I think for like.
Reckless driving I know, so he probably just felt guilty for.
Yeah, really. Seriously injured her.
I mean it. Sounds like he did, but he.
Could have killed her. I know.
And so you know he was sweet during.
This time. But then he kind of like,
retreated again and got back into his gardening and
meditation and, you know, kind of acting like he didn't have
time for her. And during these periods of him
being cold and neglectful towards Patty, her mind would
wander back to Eric Clapton, who had written an entire
passionate, sexy rock album about her.
And that year, George wrote a song called So Sad about their
relationship, just about how sad it was.
But. It didn't seem like.
He did much to try to change it because that August he told
Patty he was driving all the way to France and Portugal, saving
the front seat for Krishna so she wasn't coming with him.
Wow, I didn't realize he was. A jerk.
I know you think that George Harrison is just like the sweet,
shy one. And he's like, yeah, I know.
I get he's super. Spiritual and stuff, but.
Man, at some point you need to make an effort.
Well, it's also like, what? What is spirituality?
Even adding to your life, it's if it's making you a jerk to
people. Like if usually people are
spiritual because it makes them a better person, makes them like
more chill and they are able to like let the the small things
go. But it sounds like it's, yeah,
not helping him in any way. But I forgot he's past.
I know. Yeah, it gets worse in 1970.
Three, he started hooking up with Chrissy Wood, who was the
wife of bassist guitarist Ronnie Wood, and he kept denying it to
Patty. But then he went to Spain with
Chrissy, and while they were away together, Ronnie Wood, the
husband, came by the house. And I guess, feeling discarded
and neglected, Patty ended up, I think, hooking up with him.
Wow. Yeah, you know what?
Fine, but George knew, and he was totally fine with it.
Like very. Nonchalant.
They even had like a weird spouse swat sleepover night
thing. But I, I get the sense that
Patty, like, wasn't very happy about it and almost felt like
she was put into this open relationship or something
suddenly, you know, I think that happens a lot.
Yeah. So then there was the last
straw. I feel like a lot of casual
Beatles fans don't know this. I don't think I know.
Next, George had an. Affair with.
Oh, Ringo's wife. Maureen.
Oh my God, oh gosh, that's messy.
Messy Patty had like, slowly pieced it.
Together, she found photos of Maureen in their house, and then
she found out that a necklace Maureen had was a gift from
George. And George wouldn't admit it for
a while, but then he eventually stopped pretending and he
started having Marine over the house to, like, listen to him in
the studio. But then she would still be
there the next morning. And it all came to a head this
one day where, like, all his musicians were over to work on
music, and he disappeared somewhere upstairs with Maureen.
And Patty went looking for them, which was hard because there's a
huge house and there were so many doors.
So she was knocking on all the doors.
And then finally, George opened one, revealing Maureen on a
mattress on the floor. And he said she's just tired.
And Patty, like, freaked out. And I thought it was funny.
The Philip Norman book he wrote. A French or Italian wife at this
point might have resorted to a loaded revolver, had his milder
English responses to attack Maureen with a brace of water
pistols and then give 2 fingers to the Hari Krishna.
Yeah, this is someone she knows quite well.
Well, I mean I. Guess like he also went after
her sister too but geez what her sister then Ringo's wife like
this is getting insane. Yeah, crazy, I know.
I can't believe he did this to Ringo too.
I mean like, that's his. Friend from his band.
Is he like a sex? Addict or something?
I can't control him. People like this sometimes, like
they get high off of. Like how salacious it is, like
maybe because they have been to the top of the mountain in terms
of their career and they've had all these like exciting moments
in life. So they need to like do shitty
and reckless things like this in order to feel anything.
Maybe. Maybe just crazy.
I mean, like, yeah, like I said, like.
I know like, oh, she's kind of aware that he's been having
affairs and it's kind of like an open relationship.
But why you do we get like in the house while she's there,
while you're working too? I wonder if also some of it is
like his. Not to knock spirituality, I
think spirituality is great, but like, it almost seems like he
has like evolved to the type of spirituality that's just like
about acting on your impulse. Like whatever I feel like doing,
I will let that guide me in a way that's destructive.
He thinks he's like a God or whatever.
So he just thinks like, I can do whatever I want.
Oh my God, yeah. And it is crazy because a few.
Weeks later, I don't know how they move past this moment.
I have no idea, but somehow they did.
I don't know. They stayed together, but then
they had a dinner with Ringo and Maureen, his wife and some other
people. And George literally just said
verbatim the same thing that Eric Clapton said in front of
everybody. He said to Ringo, I'm in love
with your wife. And apparently there was a total
silence and then Ringo said that.
Are you than someone we don't know?
Oh my God, that's weird. I'm.
Like, I don't want to be in this social circle.
I don't feel safe here. I know.
I feel like this is like I hate. To bring them up but like this
is. Like what happens in like the
Phoebe Bridgers? I know it's like every.
I thought of that. Too everyone just.
Kind of like does what they want and like creates massive drama
and destruction around them. And then they're like, even
though Ringo said that, I don't know if he.
Really meant it because him and Marine did end up divorcing.
Yeah, well, maybe he just thought Marine was cheating.
On him and was. Like who is this mystery man?
Like who is it? And maybe it was a relief, I
guess to find out it was George not be a relief for me.
Maybe we should. Examine Ringo like he has such a
reputation of. Being like the funny one, but
like, what's going on there? Ringo still threw a new.
Year's Eve party a few. Days later, despite this
happening, and Patty and George were going to go, and when they
were leaving the house to go there, it was George, Patty, and
they were in the car with Terry Doran.
Patty realized she'd forgotten something, so she ran back in
the house to get it, and apparently she saw through the
window that George just drove off without her.
He left, so she drove herself to the party and was stuck in a
traffic jam, and then she missed the clock striking 12.
When she finally got inside and saw George, he said let's have a
divorce this year. Wow.
Oh my. This is so cinematic.
I can't believe this was real life.
No, this is making me really looking forward to.
That George. Harrison biopic.
I think a lot of people were kind of dismissing maybe the
George one a little bit because maybe they didn't know any of
this. But now I'm like, yeah,
hopefully they cover this. I hope it's in there.
I hope I. Know it better be.
Could be very cinematic. Oh my gosh, I know.
Somehow, their marriage did hobble along.
For a few. More months.
Oh my God, this is like a cockroach that won't die,
George. And Maureen's fling fizzled out,
which. John Lennon called virtual
incest when you heard about it. Yeah.
July 1974. Patty finally left George.
She went into his music studio late at night and said she could
stand no more of their ludicrous and hateful life.
And that night, when he came to bed, she said, she wrote, I
could feel his sadness as he lay beside beside me.
Don't go, he said. But the next day, she left their
home and flew to Los Angeles to stay with her sister, Jenny AKA
Misses Mick Fleetwood. And when she arrived, she
realized that George had already cancelled her credit cards.
That she I mean. OK, George, I get it.
But at the same time, like, give her a minute.
They're not even legally divorced yet, are they?
I. Know no, no, not at all.
Like just the. Recently she had said, like, I'm
leaving. And then, yeah, they weren't
divorced yet. Yeah, I don't think.
I feel like he can't even. Do that like if you're married
and you don't have an agreement, like you share assets, Yeah, you
share finances, Yeah. And they've been together for
SO. Long I would just I mean, maybe
I don't know if she has her own credit card, but clearly they
have like the same finances. And I don't know if at this
point in time, maybe it was like the 72 or something, but at the
same time, I don't know where 74 OK, I don't know what it was
like in Britain, but like women couldn't get their own credit
cards without a husband. So it's like, could she get
another one? What's the case there?
She they've been together for so long since a young age.
She can't I mean, yeah, she's working as a model and stuff,
but she's going to live with like her sister.
So like she's like moving back home or anything like she
doesn't have a stable income and you're just gonna cut her off
immediately. Guess what?
She's entitled to some of that women.
Weren't. Weren't allowed to open their
own. Or get their own credit card
until that year, 1974 in Wow. Wow, yeah.
So maybe this was also. Before then in that year, so who
knows? So yeah, she must have been
heartbroken. She was.
In Los Angeles with her sister probably crying, nursing her
wounds, thinking what's next. But guess who else was in
America at the time? Eric.
Eric Clapton. With his new band.
He had recently kicked. His heroin addiction,
apparently. Guess he's doing better He.
Somehow. Heard the word that.
Patty and George. Had broken up.
He probably been waiting for this every single day, probably
for like the past 10 years. And he somehow got the number
for Jenny Boyd slash Fleetwood and called, asked for Patty and
asked if she would meet him in Boston.
Wow. His next stop on his tour and
Patty said yes. Yeah, nothing holding her back
now. So that is the end of the
episode. Wow, I'm on the edge of my seat.
I want to see. I want to see Eric Clapton
perspective. Now I know.
Also I know. We don't know Eric's Side Story
so who knows if Eric's that great either, but I'm on team
Eric at this point. Me too, but I have a feeling.
I will change my mind. Yeah, he could be just as bad of
a cheater. I.
Mean, how good could he be if he's been?
Pining after his friend's wife? All the easier.
Yeah, he could also be. Not that good.
Yeah. But from what we know, Team
Eric, Yeah. Usually we end the episode
saying like, you know what? Happened to people for the rest
of their life, but I will touch on that next episode like what
happened to George. So next episode is crazy.
There is going to be a love potion spoiler at some point.
It's very off the rails. But yeah, that's that's half of
Patty, George and Eric. So thank you for listening.
Oh my God, Thank you Kelly for. I know.
Wild ride. I didn't know anything about
this, so that was. Me neither.
Really exciting. I feel like they really do need.
To make a movie about. This, well, they are well, I
mean, well, I hope it's in it. Hope it's not just like.
George, I don't know. Yeah, just as a beetle or
something. Yeah.
Who's playing him? Apparently it's supposedly.
Joseph Quinn, but. We don't know, Oh yeah, if
that's right or not. Or like if it's.
Confirmed Who's playing Patty Tracy?
Most of it's all just kind of rumors.
I don't think they've. Gone that far, I think they've
only cast the main actors and that's what they've done.
I wonder if Eric Clapton's in it.
He better. Be he better be.
He has such a big. Part that I would assume he
would that. Depends if they really go in
depth into each lives, which I assume they will because if
they're doing one movie for each Beatle.
But maybe it'll be like a complete unknown type of thing
where it's like only during these set years or something.
So it'll be like before The Beatles break up or something.
Like maybe it's only during the time when The Beatles are
together. Who knows.
It is sad to remember, like how cute.
Him and Patty seemed at the beginning.
I don't know what to say about that other than it's
heartbreaking, but happens. Why?
Why time again, time and time again on this show.
Starts out so cute and then I know.
You're like, yeah, well, I'm excited.
For the next part. Me too.
Yeah. All right.
I guess that's it. How to close this out get.
Back together next week. We'll get back together next
week. Is your heart.
Filled with pain, shall I come back again?
Tell me, dear, are you lonesome to?