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My name is Mel. I'm Ko.
And. And we're cousins.
We're cousins and best friends. Ohh, and I'm drinking wine.
I'm drinking a Margarita. Ohh I didn't know.
Is it the canned one? Yes.
Be careful Mel. Be careful.
Only having one guys. These canned margaritas taste
like juice and those are dangerous.
I had two like 2 weekends ago and I thought I was gonna.
I literally. Oh my God.
I didn't want to tell you this, but I I didn't end up doing it.
But like, they have this service where you can pay like $200 for
a nurse to come to your apartment and, like, hook you up
to an IV. Oh yeah, I've heard of that.
I literally scheduled that because I was like I cannot
drink water, like I am going to die.
But then they called me and said.
Oh, we're too busy. Would you like to do it another
day? Like, no another day.
Like hopefully. I don't need you another day,
so. So you didn't do.
It I didn't do it. I persevered and I finally was
able to drink water and Gatorade and I survived.
But it was tough. It was tough there for a while.
Wow, I've heard that works, but. Yeah, it's a bit extreme it.
Would have been embarrassing. It would have been a.
Low point, but well, I'm so excited to be talking to you,
Mel, and to everybody listening. Hello, this is a public episode
and this is a big episode. A big, big, big.
This is probably one of the most famous breakups of all time.
This is a flagship episode. That's a good way to describe
it. This is a anchor, yes, it's a
ship. Oh my God, it's a ship.
I forgot to come up with my 3 words.
I'm going to have to improvise. You have to do it on the spot to
just well, first of all, who who are we covering today, Mel?
We are covering Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt.
Wow. Huge one and only.
But I guess I'm going to spoil it now.
Just so you guys know, the next episode, which is going to be on
our Patreon is going to cover the relationship of Brad Pitt
and Angelina Jolie. So in a way, these two episodes
are kind of like a crossover event because the timelines for
both of them will be brought up. So I'm going to talk a lot about
Angelina Jolie in this episode and.
Jennifer Aniston and Brad Pitt, their relationship will be
continued in the next one as well.
So like, if you want me to talk about like the two of them, how
they are now, that's going to be in the next episode.
I'm so excited. Oh my gosh.
So yeah, Mel Mel's doing these episodes.
I'm just chilling, listening. Was that hard to research the
two relationships? You know what like I feel like?
In my research they both just it's hard to separate the two.
So I felt like, see, there was no way for me to not kind of
have them back-to-back. Yeah, I feel like that's that's
really cool. We've never done that before.
This back-to-back two episodes, but that happens sometimes.
You know love triangles, Yeah. Leaving someone for someone
else. I feel like I first imagined
that we would, like, spread out his relationships, but I'm.
So into this that we're doing it back-to-back.
It feels necessary. And so basically, this episode
will take more of a Jennifer Aniston perspective, and the
next one will take more of a Angelina perspective.
Wow. And Brad is just along for the
ride, so. We have covered Brad before.
We did Brad Gwyneth Paltrow episode back about the I don't
remember what number it was. I think it was in November or
October, but so if you want to hear about before this.
Yeah, that's a really good one, too.
Like, that was a really big couple for its time, and that's
a free episode. I'm pretty sure you already
covered. Wait, the three words I would
use to describe them, I would say.
Yes, flirty. Oh, flirty. 30 and thriving.
Yes. Flirty.
Oh, very public and idolized. That's definitely true.
But you know what? Even though I feel like I know a
lot about this couple, I really don't.
I really don't. I don't know anything.
That's how I felt. Yeah, like I've seen pictures of
them, I've seen the tabloids at the supermarket and stuff, but I
don't really know anything actually about their.
Timeline in their relationship. And me either, because I felt
like as soon as they were on my radar, they had already broken
up. Yeah.
Like, I remember watching the movie.
Rumor has it, you know. That.
Oh yeah. With all the drama, she sleeps.
She sleeps with a man who might potentially be her father, yes,
but with my family when I was like I must have been in 4th
grade or something and my mom says.
You know what? She's actually very pretty.
And I was like, why? Like, of course she's pretty.
I don't know why my mom had to say it like that, but I think it
was because she was pitted against Angelina Jolie.
And not that I think one is more beautiful than the other, but I
feel like Jenna I, and is this weird for me to say.
I feel like Jennifer Aniston has a more like approachable beauty
to her, whereas Angelina Jolie has a more like mythical, like
etheral, unattainable beauty to her.
Does that make sense? I feel, yeah, I feel like the
press described Jennifer Aniston.
At least my perception as being more like girl next door.
Yeah, normal, You know, like there was a girl in your high
school like this. Like, she's just a cool chick
and she's pretty, but she's not like, I don't know, Jessica
Rabbit or something. She's like the prom.
Yeah, it was Angelina Jolie like, Oh my God.
Angelina Jolie, like, might cast a spell on you or something?
It's very intimidating. That's not like offensive for me
to say, but but it's it's like it's a different kind of beauty.
And I feel like, yeah, Jennifer Aniston, I mean, she's like
probably one of the most beautiful people in the whole
world. But it's like.
She feels more like a normal person, I guess.
I don't know. It is.
It is crazy how people compared them so much and.
Then you have people doing the opposite where they're like, no,
Jennifer is more beautiful, I prefer that type and.
Yeah, I mean. But I would like to get deeper
than that, you know. I feel like it kind of played on
people's fears of you could be as beautiful as Jennifer
Aniston. And a man could still find
somebody who's like, not I I don't want to say more beautiful
because I don't think like one is more beautiful than the
other, but like more unattainable in a way.
I don't know if that makes sense.
Yeah. I feel like Angelina Jolie.
I don't. I'll get into it in her episode.
Yeah. I hope you guys understand what
I'm trying to say. I do.
I do, yeah. I was.
I was trying to think of. What it is about like trying to
describe in words what it is about Angelito Lee.
Yeah. But we'll get.
Even her name. Like, it's like Jennifer.
Yeah. And like Angelina.
Like, it's like there's something more like ether role
about her. Yeah.
So who is Jennifer Aniston?
We haven't covered her before. We haven't.
I have a feeling this won't be our last episode about.
Yeah, I really like her. I think she's a very interesting
person. She was born February 11th, 1969
in Los Angeles and she's a bit of an EPPO baby.
Her father, John, he was a Greek actor, best known for being on
Days of Our Lives and her mom? Did not know.
That yeah. Her mom, Nancy, was also an
actress and a model, and she had an older half brother, John,
from her mom's side. And Jen's family actually lived
in Greece when she was in kindergarten and then moved to
New York City when she was 6. And they lived on the Upper West
Side. And she attended the Fiorello H
LaGuardia High School of Music and Arts and Performing Arts.
What? Very interesting because she
also has says that her family was dirt poor growing up, but I
wonder if like they were like they're poor.
Yeah, yeah, they probably live paycheck to paycheck, but like.
That's because they have a lot of expenses, you know.
Yeah. And did you say Upper West Side?
Yeah, yeah. I mean, in New York you can be
rich, but you still feel poor because your apartment is small
and it's crowded and yeah, there's rats and stuff.
So I can see why she would think that, even if she probably, they
probably were making more money than someone, you know, out in
the country. But.
That's so true. And at age 9, Jen came home from
a birthday party and out of nowhere, she learned from her
mother that her father had actually left her mom for
another woman, which is kind of crazy that that's like
foreshadowing her future in a way.
And while he pursued that relationship, she didn't see her
father for almost a year and. Her mother was a very
classically beautiful woman, and ironically, she became John.
She became known for her looks, like in her Rachel haircut.
But she claims that she grew up with a very big and frizzy
hairstyle and that kids at school were really mean to her.
And they called her chubby. But honestly, I was looking at
pictures from when she was young.
Maybe they're just not available.
Like, she was never like, quote chubby.
So I don't know if she's just like saying that.
But I mean, I'll take her word for it, but she told Vanity
Fair. I was a big fat was who liked
Aerosmith? Big Fat was who liked Aerosmith.
So she's kind of like painting herself as, I don't know, Yeah,
I guess more losers, Yeah, Yeah. The loser who turns pretty or
something. And apparently in grade school,
a group of kids actually dumped paint on her when she was
entering the classroom. I know.
What? She said.
I guess it's possible. Yeah, that she was bullied.
It's almost like she like claims to have like Monica's back story
from friends. Yeah.
And she says that she turned to humor as a way to cope and that
she was known as the class clown.
In school she did Off Broadway acting and she worked part time
jobs, the waitress and a telemarketer and a bike
messenger. And then in 1998 or 1988 she
started doing TV appearances and moved to LA and she landed roles
in four very short lived TV shows, including a show called
Malloy, a Ferris Bueller TV show.
A show called The Edge and another show called Muddling,
Through, all of which were quickly canceled after either a
few episodes or a season. So Jen was feeling really
depressed, and she's 24 years old, and she pulls into a gas
station on Sunset Blvd. And as she's getting out of her
car, she looks and she sees Warren Littlefield, who was then
the producer of NBC, and he was pumping his gas.
And she must have known him personally through her father
because Days of Our Lives is one of the longest lasting.
It actually is the longest lasting NBC show.
So it's not like, you know, he was just some big producer and
she walked up to him, but she walked up to him and said, is it
ever going to happen for me? And he said that she shouldn't
take it personally. And that we believe in you.
I love you. I so believe in your talent.
I'm sure it will. And then a few months later, he
gave her the script of Friends and she originally auditioned
for Monica, but that they felt that Courtney Cox was the better
fit. And so she landed the role of
Rachel and the rest is history. She actually, at the same time,
was also given the opportunity to be on Saturday Night Live
like she was offered a role as a reoccurring.
Cast Member there, but she decided to do Friends instead.
That was. That was a smart choice.
Like, I can't really picture her on SNL as a cast member.
I know. I don't know.
Like, she's funny. But, like, I'm not, like,
falling out of my chair. Yeah, humor.
I agree on SNL. Some people become stars, but
some people just kind of, I don't know, fall to the wayside
a bit so. I don't know.
There's just no knowing what would have happened if she did
that. But friends, Oh my gosh, that's
like one of the most famous shows of all.
Oh yeah. It was like at one point, I
think the highest watch show on television.
Yeah. I would describe her as a hard
worker, a mediator. She's always looking to make
other people laugh and to relieve tension.
Oh. It seems like she avoids
conflict at all cost, and she really tries her best to be
strong. Just from her interviews, I feel
like she forces herself to look on the bright side and to spend
things as positive to not seem like they affect her.
Even when things are incredibly dark and very hard, she always,
like, tries so hard to not peer, bitter or resentful.
And like, sometimes I think she goes a little bit too far.
Interesting. Like when she was describing her
dad leaving unexpectedly, she was like, you know, it's almost
for the better. It was like ripping off the
Band-Aid. OK, no, you can just say, like,
it was really hard. You don't have to.
Like, don't. You don't have to act like.
It was like, yeah. And like when she was describing
how so her mom was very beautiful and her mom would pick
on Jen's appearance. And she said in.
An interview with Diane Sawyer. Like, you know, she was helping
me out. She was doing me a favor.
It's like, no. Like, you know how to give, like
everybody, the benefit of the doubt?
I don't know. Wow.
It it's that's sad, though. It's like she feels like she
can't be upset or express discontent in any way.
Yeah, that's interesting that you picked up on that.
Oh, definitely. And it definitely I think.
He's going to come up with her divorce because something that
people are very much expected to be bitter and resentful for.
I feel like she tried very hard to, like, make it seem like she
didn't like obviously she cared, but like, she wasn't mad at Brad
or something, you know? But yeah, like, you already
covered Brad. So I won't really get into his
back story, but as a little refresher, he was born in
Oklahoma, full name William Bradley Pitt.
His father owned a trucking company.
His mom was a guidance counselor.
They moved to Missouri. He dropped out of college after
two weeks. We talked about this.
No, with two weeks left. Oh, two weeks left.
I'm sorry. Yes, two weeks left and before
graduating. And then moved to LA to take
acting lessons. Not even like he had a part.
Like he just moved there to take lessons.
And then he became a breakout star after appearing in Thelma
and Louise. And yeah, I recommend people
check out. Our Brad and Gwyneth episode for
a little bit more about his back story when it comes to
relationships. Before Jen, a little summary he
Before being with Jennifer Aniston, he had been engaged
twice. Once to Gwyneth Paltrow and once
to Jill Scholand. He popped the question in 1989
and they were engaged for three months.
Yeah, he was against to her, then Gwyneth.
He said Gwyneth was the love of my life.
So the love of my life. Guess that wasn't true.
What is true? That's deep.
But so yeah. So how did they meet?
They met in 1994. Jen was 25.
He was 30. Both of their managers were
friends with each other and introduced them.
And around this time, Brad was still dating Gwyneth, and Jen
was dating actor Tate Donovan and yeah.
Wait, I'm sorry. He was on the OC.
Oh yes, that's who it is. Well, at this point he wouldn't
have been on the OC yet, but when he's older he's on the OC.
Yeah, but he was on Friends too. OK.
Yeah, that makes sense. Anyway, they look like a cute
couple. Maybe we could cover them
someday. Yeah, that.
Would be cool. He dated Sandra Pollock.
Right. Yeah, I feel like Tate Donovan,
I don't know. He's one of those guys that
surprisingly dated a lot of like a list women and then kind of
went back into the shadows. Yeah, maybe.
Anyway, he just, like, went through too many.
I feel like it would be so awkward in Hollywood.
Like, it's such like you have to run into these people all the
time. I know, And that will come up.
But yeah, so Jen later told Rolling Stone in 2001 about her
first impression of Brad. She said he was just the sweet
guy from Missouri, you know, a normal guy.
And then years later, Brad and Gwyneth were engaged like we
said, but then broke up in 1997, and Jen and Tate broke up in 90.
98 And sometime that year they were set up on a dinner date, I
think by their agents again in West Hollywood.
And Jen was actually asked about this date on Diane Sawyer, and
that's the first clip. You knew right away.
Yeah, we both did on our first date.
It was weird. Did you say it or just?
No, no, thought it. I thought it.
That's weird. That was a really easy evening.
That was really fun. That was.
Strange. But her saying like I thought
it. I don't know.
Just the way she was talking and motioning her face, it was
intense. Honestly, Diane Sawyer is like,
creepy to me. Like, I don't know the way she,
like, interviews people. Like, she's so serious and I
feel like it makes everything maybe.
It seems serious, yeah. It feels like, cryptic, like
even though it's like just about Jennifer Aniston, it still feels
like it's like a murder mystery, you know?
Yeah, yeah, I feel like I was picking up on that.
Mmhmm. But wow.
OK, they felt it. Yeah.
And so then in 1998, both Brad and Jen's careers, they are on
fire. At this time, Friends had the
second highest ratings on TV, just behind ER, and Brad was in
high demand as a movie actor. He had only just recently been
nominated for an O2 years earlier and was working on Fight
Club, which is arguably like one of his biggest films.
And then we're In 1999, after a year of dating, they made their
first public debut as a couple at the Emmy Awards, where
Friends was nominated for the best Comedy series, and they
walked the red carpet together and Friends lost to Ally Mcbeal.
But people suddenly were obsessed with this new hot
couple, and according to Jen, they were bonding a lot about
their music tastes. And they both listened to a lot
of Radiohead at the time. I like that detail, yeah.
That's something I want to moving forward, always kind of
figure out with couples is like what is it about each other that
they were attracted to? Yes.
Yeah. Like what?
What is like what their conversations about?
Yes, yes, Yeah. I think music was a big thing
that bonded them. And so then in November, they
attended a Sting concert in New York City, and they got on stage
with Sting. And while he was performing, Jen
lifts up her hand to show off her engagement ring.
And then together, they sing the lyrics to Sting's song, fill her
up into the microphone. Which are we're going to Vegas,
We're going to get wed. So fill her up, son.
Don't be staring. Yeah, that's a real diamond she
be wearing. Oh my God, this was like after a
year of dating or so. And because this is such a
public display, like I feel like this made people so obsessed
with them. Makes sense.
Brad kind of freaks me out with how easily he proposes to
people. Oh yeah, this is his third
engagement. His third engagement.
I mean, he's only like like 30-4 or something, yeah.
I feel like if I was going to be like, what the hell, I know, OK?
Anyway, I know it's like, I don't really know that many
people from real life probably like, maybe like one person
who's been engaged and then broken it off.
It's like kind of a big deal, you know?
That must be that must be tough for him proposing too, when it's
like I have been through this before.
Yeah, like getting on one knee, being all heartfelt about it.
Like, will you spend the rest of your life with me?
Like, that's just crazy that he's already done that.
I know. But we've talked about this
before and like with celebrities, like everything is
so exciting for them that like, I feel like they kind of have to
do stuff like that pretty early on to get like that high because
like. They have to take it to the next
level. Because otherwise life is
boring. Doing exciting things all the
time. Yeah.
And like, you know, they have the means.
Like, I know some people were like, they're just like saving
up to get a ring. You can go like if you can buy
like. I know, Yeah, really expensive.
Like several $1000 rings. Like, it's no big deal.
Like, why don't you? You know.
I feel like that's so true, like so many normal people getting
married. Something you really have to
work for and wait for, like paying for the wedding and the
ring and like hopefully honeymoon or something.
Like they can just do it so easily.
So if you're in love, then like, yeah, let's do it.
Yeah, exactly. It's like no big deal.
Like they don't have to worry about any of the logistics that
go into it. Yeah, that us normal people
think about. And I feel like the logistics
makes you. Really think about is this
really the one? Because I'm about to spend a ton
of money on this. That's so.
True. So I'm only doing this once.
Like, is this really my soul mate, you know?
Whereas like a celebrity, I feel like, doesn't quite have to
question it as much because it's easy.
Oh my gosh, that's so true. Yeah, it's like no big deal.
Like, because that would be a huge mistake to spend.
Like, I know and like, people make it and it's like, Oh my
God, I just got like $30,000 for a wedding.
And all their friends and family that have to pay for gifts and
stuff and they can't really afford it.
Like, it's just, it's a lot. It's a pressure that celebrities
don't understand. Yeah, yeah.
So they just, they're in love. Let's get married.
Like, let's do it. Yeah.
And they did it. It's 2000, July 29th.
She's 31. He is 36.
They got married on the coast of Malibu at the estate of TV
producer Marcy Carsey, best known for producing The Cosby
Show, Roseanne and That 70s Show.
And Jen walked down the aisle in a glass bead low back gown by
Lawrence Steele, and the couple reportedly both received brother
and sister highlights, according to Bride magazine, to their
hairs ahead of the ceremony. Yeah, I think it's weird.
It's called matching Matching highlights, yeah.
It's kind of cute, yeah. And we talked about this in the
Brad and Gwyneth episode that, like, he always makes his hair
and style match his girlfriend. I forgot.
About that he does. He always matches the hair.
He like neighbors them. It's a lot.
Brad's an interesting fellow. He is, yeah, and there were
50,000 flowers present because Brad wanted the wedding to look
like a Zen garden and the the bridesmaids wore pale green
dresses for their first dance. They danced to The Way You Look
Tonight and they had live performances by a Forty person
Gospel Choir and Melissa Etheridge and Greek Buzuki band
and a 13 minute fireworks show to close out the evening.
Wow. Yeah, a normal person could not
drop money like that Willy nilly.
That's. Like, she just married Gadsby or
something. I know.
Yeah, very extravagant. And there was lots of paparazzi
overhead, taking aerial shots of the venue like this was.
Highly anticipated and it's crazy we even know this much
information about it, but it was huge.
It's fun, I know. And noticeably absent from the
wedding was Jen's mother, who one year earlier had actually
written an unauthorized tell all book about raising Jen against
her wishes, which made Jen feel exploited.
And she cut her mom out of her life.
So I guess that's a little contrary to what I said earlier
about, like always looking on the bright side, but even like
talking about it. Like when she gave interviews,
like she said, like, you know, I was really hurt.
I felt like she took advantage, but she still doesn't really
like bad mouth her mom. She's like, I just need space.
I'm sure in private she does get upset, yeah.
Go off on people, but she publicly doesn't want to for
whatever reason. That's really upsetting.
That would be very painful, I think.
Yeah. And she.
Before she like a betrayal. Oh, growing up, she was very,
very close with her mom too. So wow, this was a huge blow for
her. And yeah, that would be very.
I'm trying to imagine like my own mom doing something like
that. I would.
I would be so upset because it's your mom.
Like, it's like, that's the person who's supposed to protect
you the most. That's so sad because nobody
wants to cut out their mother, you know, Exactly.
That's so painful. That's just, yeah, I mean, it's
such a huge betrayal of trust and it's, I don't know if it
came from like her, like mom's insecurity about finances from
when they were younger or something.
I think Jen maybe said that like her mom was always worried about
like money, so she saw this as an opportunity for herself.
But it's pretty bad. Still, I'm sure Jen could have
given her money, I know. If she really needed it, yeah.
Like, why is that the way to get it?
Yeah. And Jen legally changed her last
name to Pitt and they did not sign that.
Yeah, they didn't sign a prenup. And this is my question for the
audience, Like, what do you guys think of prenups?
Like, do you think it's less romantic to sign one, or do you
think it's like just a necessity, especially if you
have that much money? That's a good question.
I feel like I don't know too much about them and like how it
works. I think it's like you're
deciding before you get married how you would divide your
assets. Is it only an event of divorce?
I think so, yeah. Not death, I don't know.
That's probably more of a will than, yeah, I think that's a.
Will. Yeah.
It Yeah. I don't know.
It does seem very unromantic to me.
I don't know, I guess, but some people have different
definitions about why they're getting married.
Like, I don't know, I it is odd to me.
It's it's it's very weird, I think to think, like, if this
doesn't work out, I don't know. But it's weird because Jen and
Brad didn't sign a prenup. But it seems like their divorce
was actually not that complicated.
And not to spoil anything, but like, Angelina and Brad signed a
prenup and they're still not legally divorced.
Like they're still fighting about.
So maybe it doesn't even help. Yeah.
I mean, I feel like it's based off of, I'm pretty sure this
might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's based off of like your
assets at the time you get married, if you've been married
to someone for a number of years and then like buy properties and
like. To build wealth together.
I don't know like how that's accounted for.
And it was just way jumping ahead.
But I know that Brad and Angelina like owned a vineyard
together and that caused a lot of problems, right?
Because they're self she tried to sell.
Yeah, she tried to sell her shares to other people or
something. I don't know.
I'm very excited to get into that and the next step.
So that will be fun. Well, I mean sad for them.
It's a family, of course, but yes, fun to talk about, I guess.
I'm a terrible. It will be.
It'll be interesting. Yeah.
But we're not there yet. Yeah, we got a long ways to go.
So then for their honeymoon, the newlyweds took a private trip to
the island of Seychelles, which is located in the Indian Ocean
in the East Coast of Africa. And I don't think any paparazzi
found them there, which is nice. And they made their first debut
as a married couple once again at the Emmy Awards.
That's a big place for them. And later in 2004, Jen said that
the first year of marriage was both the hardest and best year
of her life. And that she said it's just
getting used to the idea that you're married and am I ready?
There's always that. Am I ready?
Question. I don't know.
I thought I was ready. That's weird.
I know it's kind of cryptic. I thought it was that implies
like trouble in paradise, kind of.
It does. It does.
And in 2001, in June they purchased a 12,000 square foot
home with six bedrooms in Beverly Hills for $13.5 million,
which they would spend the next three years renovating.
That was like a big part of pretty much every interview I
read about them was like talking about them working on their
home. And I think that did maybe cause
a bit of tension between them. Some disagreements about like
style choices or, you know, just like little things that couples
might bicker about. But not nothing like that.
Too serious. You know, Charlie and I totally
bicker about that. I think it's a common thing.
I remember it came up in the James Taylor and Carly Simon one
about the pool. When she put in a pool without
asking, it's pretty bad. But you would think as a
celebrity, like you have so much money that doesn't really matter
but. I know.
We were wondering what's about why doesn't he want a pool?
Like, I feel like if you had that much money you would assume
like, well, why wouldn't we have a pool?
I know, Yeah, that's just like buying toilet paper at that
point. Yeah, for them.
No, it's it's. I think he had a problem with
them having a pool, like when they live so close to the beach.
But you know what? Best of both worlds.
I know. So then it's yeah.
Then in September, Jen does an interview with Rolling Stone and
gives us insight into their married life.
She says that her friends originally expected Brad to be
conceded, but that they came around to see that he's a great
person. And she also said that being
married is like, you know, well, she said about being married.
You know, if there's an argument, it's not like you can
go screw you. I'm out of here.
You're there for the long haul. It's a beautiful thing to
actually realize that for the first time, to have that knowing
it takes the heat and the weight out of things, which I think is
true. Like, that's kind of why I like
the idea of marriage. It's like it is harder to break
up. And I know that might sound
like, almost like you're a hostage in a way, but like, I
think if you really care about a lifelong partnership and
commitment, it's nice to have that certificate to make it
just, yeah, harder to break up in that way.
Like, you have to really question, like, is this what I
really want to do? And you know that, like, I
really made a vow. So like, I'm going to actually
put in more work to work on the relationship.
I agree. The way I see it is like you're
they're becoming your family. They're not blood related to
you, but they're becoming your family.
Exactly. It's kind of like no matter
what, you can never make your sibling.
Not your sibling or your parent. Not your parent.
And like, I guess you can. Yeah, you can make your spouse,
not your spouse. But that's kind of the idea is
like, we're becoming more than just dating, you know?
This is like, you're my family now.
Yeah. We we are together.
That's why I feel like divorce must be so traumatizing.
Because it's like going back on something that you owe one point
thought you would never, ever do.
Like otherwise you wouldn't have gotten married in the first
place. Yeah, sad.
So Brad in November of that year guest starred on an episode of
Friends where his character hates Rachel.
I feel like people love that. I to be honest with you guys, I
have seen several episodes of Friends, but I've never really
watched it. Like, oh, really?
Like, I know enough about the show.
Like, I've seen episodes here and there, but like, I've never
watched like it consecutively. I I did.
And I remember that episode and he's very cute.
Yeah, I love that episode. Yeah, I watched the whole thing
in order in college and I love it.
And I think it's great and I get annoyed when people hate on it
because I feel like it got just like too overexposed.
Maybe. But it's.
I don't know. I like it.
Such a big part of TV history and it's like such a cultural
phenomenon. Gen.
X, yeah, it's what a different time that like a sitcom on
network TV could be like the most watched or second most
watched TV show in the country. And now it's like nobody even
watches those shows anymore. Unless they just, like
accidentally leave the TV on after like the news or
something. I know, kind of stuff.
Maybe it'll come back someday. Yeah.
I hope. Yeah, I hope so.
Anyway, anyway, so then it's 2003 February, Jen does an
interview with W magazine, and she's asked what it's like to
have found the love of her life. And she answers.
Is he the love of my life? I think you're always sort of
wondering, are you the love of my life?
I mean, I don't know. I've never been someone who says
he's the love of my life. He's certainly a big love in my
life. And I know that we have
something special, especially in all this chaos and this nutty,
brilliant, wonderful, hard business that we have.
It's nice to have somebody who's anchored and knows you, really
knows all of you. Wow.
That's interesting, especially since Brad is the kind of person
to call someone the love all my life.
Wow. It's just so interesting because
I feel like so many women and men too, probably think that
Brad Pitt is so attractive and Oh my God, I wish I could be
with him. It's it's just very interesting
to hear her say. She won't even say that he's the
love of her life, I know, but I want to give her the benefit of
the doubt and I feel like she just like kind of hates being
asked stuff like that and is. I do think it seems like even
though she is very public about things like is also a little bit
afraid to be vulnerable with the press and doesn't like want to
give people her power of like saying like, Oh yeah, I'm in
love with him. I don't know.
I think it's like less about him and more about like she doesn't
want to like, say something that vulnerable.
And I do think by the time you're 30 or whatever and she's
had other relationships, I don't know, the concept might be a
little less simple than it maybe would have been.
Yeah, exactly. It is quite a heavy question to
ask somebody SO. Yeah, I think maybe she's just
like being philosophical. I know.
Like, what is that? Do that.
Yeah. Oh God, that reminds me of
questions. Prince Charles.
Oh yeah, Charles? He was asked.
Charles, are you in love? Yes, whatever love is or
whatever. Like Charles, this is not the
time to be called something cool.
Whatever. Love is trying to have like a I
totally, I totally think that's what he was doing though,
because I I don't know, I just got obsessive with Charles and
Link read so much about him and he totally was just being like a
philosophical prick and was trying to be trying to question.
That yeah. Yeah.
What is love? I really don't think he was
trying. It still came off like an
asshole. But I think he wasn't trying to
shade Diana. He was just yeah.
Trying to be deep. That's kind of what I think Jen
was doing too. But of course, like you read
that in a magazine, it does raise some eyebrows.
Wow. And Jen is asked if they fight,
and she says that they do, but that they're more like
discussions and that she's not a fan of yelling.
She also adds that Brad is very kind, which is very different
from her upbringing where her parents would fight.
And around this time, Jen is being taken more seriously as a
film actor. She starts receiving Oscar buzz
for her role in the drama The Good Girl and starts doing more
and more films. Then in 2004, it's January and
Jen does a sent down interview with Diane Sawyer.
I already showed you guys part of this interview before and she
just talks really in depth about her life and her marriage with
Brad. It's a very long special and I
think big part of it is because Friends is ending soon.
So there's just like a lot of buzz.
I bet Jen's like managers and agent like agents.
Like it does seem like they were doing like everything possible.
It's like make the world kind of obsessed with Jennifer Aniston
and she was just this big star and I think it's like a 60
Minutes interview or something like that.
Like it's a big interview. It feels very serious and.
She talks about their big house and says that even though they
have more rooms in their new house, they're still always in
the same room. And Diane?
Diane asks who is more jealous and Jen says I think jealousy is
healthy to a point, but no, we've worked on that one.
We've knocked that one out, but no.
I feel like Jen's like speaking patterns sometimes.
They're like she never really uses like.
Verbal clutter, the way I'm using, you know, like, yeah, in
a way she sometimes feels like she's acting when she's giving
an interview. Well, that's what I felt in that
first. Diane saw her interview.
That's why it kind of freaked me out.
It seemed like she was acting. Yes.
No, that's like, like, I often feel that way.
And I that makes me wonder, like, is she being genuine?
Or maybe her acting is very true to her, how she is in real life,
I don't know. It's like she feels like her
characters, maybe. So I'm going to show you more of
that. So Diane asks about the Brad
quote in the W magazine, saying that she was unsure if he was
the love of her life. And I'll play that.
Or you can play. It's at 2102.
It's very interesting because at one point somebody asked you
recently, I think W magazine, if he was the love of your life and
you're hesitated. No, I didn't hesitate.
That was something that I hated reading.
I can't imagine being with any other human being.
I married him because he was the love of my life.
And you know, he's the most fun I've ever had.
So when these things are written in magazines and taken out of
context and it's so frustrating because people then take it and
run with it. Or if you don't, God forbid,
think I'm at a. An award ceremony.
I mean Jesus. We were divorced and moving into
different homes. Yeah, the way she's talking,
maybe it's not her fault, maybe Diane Sawyer is creating this
atmosphere, but it just feels really dramatic.
Yeah, it is interesting that she's like, oh, I hated that.
Like he is the love of my life. Like they took it out of
context. But that's the quote.
Like, I don't know, like you did say is he the love of my life?
Maybe we have to hear how it was phrased, but I love that this
this really reminds me Charles. I love this, bringing his way
back to that, because I think he did the same thing like damage
control kind. Of yeah, it does suck when you
say something, but people interpret it wrong.
Yeah, and it does. It is hard to explain what you
meant. Sometimes happens even on the
podcast. So Oh yeah.
Oh yeah, yeah. Anything I said.
Upsets anybody. I didn't mean it.
Yeah, yeah. So in the same interview, she
talks about how Friends is ending soon and she says pretty
adamantly that they would like to start having kids soon.
And that's in a lot of interviews.
Like it's and it's a theme kind of that Brad says he wants to
have a lot of kids and she says like, oh like you know, two or
three. Like it's like a kind of a
running. Gag that like they're fighting
about, like how many kids they want.
Wow. And the public seems like very
eager. The public and the press are
very eager and excited for like when they finally start having
kids still. Yet literally still, they're
hung up on it. And I feel like I have thoughts
about that that I'll get to later, OK.
But so it's January 23rd, and the last episode of Friends was
filmed after 10 seasons. And friends of Jen were shocked
that Brad did not attend the final taping.
However, Jen defended this to reporters by saying that he was
busy working. But later in magazines it will
say stuff like, well, a star that big could have gotten time
off, you know? So people think that that's kind
of like a crack in the glass, you know, that's what you hinted
that last week. I mean, that's a pretty big.
Moment in Jen's life and I think she was pretty like bereaved
about the end of this TV show. Like I mean it was her whole
life for 10 years and it's like a family in a way and I think it
would came with a lot of emotions.
I actually saw a keychain that said friends 994 to 2004 on my
backpack. Yeah, I mean, I'm just like even
even thinking about like. Yeah, you used to dance growing
up. Like, when that ended, like it
did feel like a death in a way. Like, I'm sure that was like,
hugely significant. So she's interviewed by the
Guardian and she opens up more about their plans to have kids
soon. She says it's time.
It's time. You know, I think you can work
with a baby. I think you can work pregnant.
I think you can do all of it. So I'm just truly looking
forward to slowing down. And she also reveals that there.
They just had finished renovating their multimillion
dollar mansion. Someone to talk about this
house? I know, literally it's like in
every single magazine, but it's like the thing like their
divorce was so public. But I do think a lot of that
they inadvertently brought on themselves by making their
relationship so public, which maybe is why couples are a lot
more private now. Like they're talking to us about
like having kids. And I think that makes.
People at home feel so invested in their lives, like almost the
way an aunt or uncle is like in a niece and nephew's life.
Like they're just like, when are you having kids?
When are you going to do this? And, like, people care way too
much, but it's because they kind of play into it.
So then when they break up, like, it's just going to be a
lot more devastating for people because they felt like they were
invested in it, you know? True.
It does seem so shocking that they would break up because it's
like you were just talking about a family, like what happened?
You know, what happened? What?
Well, so the story goes, it's May, and the filming of Mr. and
Mrs. Smith begins in California. You guys know the stars Brad
Pitt and Angelina Jolie, and this is a sexy film.
Sexy spy film. I've never actually seen it, but
it looks like they have a lot of good chemistry.
They do. I watched it last year with
Charlie and it's it's a fun movie and they have a lot of
chemistry. It's palpable.
It's very. Sexy energy don't lie, right?
And at this time, Angelina is recently separated from her
husband Billy Bob Thornton, and there's growing rumors of
intimacy between the two stars, and it's become a hot topic in a
lot of the tabloids. It's just a rumor, but it's
picking up steam in the press, I would say.
However, the affair seems to be disputed when Brad and Jen walk
the red carpet at the Troy premiere in New York City.
So. By all accounts, it seems like
they're still doing well. They're still making public
appearances together. And then the last episode of
Friends comes out on May 6th, which was very difficult for
Jen. And then later on, her real life
friends will tell the press that she had hoped to lean on Brad
for support during this time, but that he was growing more and
more emotionally absent. No.
Why? He was busy filming Mr. and Mrs.
Smith. So then it's June and Brad is
profiled by Vanity Fair. And in this article he talks
about how there's a lot of hard edges and their new Beverly
Hills mansion. Well, they've lived there for
three years, but this mansion keeps coming up and that Jen has
been making a lot of nervous comments about having to baby
proof the house. And to that he shrugs and says,
I have a different theory. You got to fall down.
You got to learn. And he says that he'd consider
moving again. And the interviewer picks up on
some apparent restlessness that he has that like, especially
like with the house, like now that like they finished, he kind
of doesn't even really want to, like live there, you know, man.
The interviewer prize further about their plans to have kids
and he says. It will happen when it happens.
I've got friends with kids and I've got nieces and nephews and
they just bring out a joy, a joy I've gotten from few things.
I am selfish so I worry about having to give up my time, but I
got to go see what it's about. I think I've got a lot of stuff
to tell them and the idea of being responsible and setting
someone loose in the world sounds really fulfilling.
And he says when asked about how many kids he wants, he says I'll
go till someone says to stop. I would love all girls.
Guys. I know they're going to be
pissed off at me. I know I'll fuck them up
somehow. And in this article, he opens up
about how in the past he seemingly suffered from what he
calls a congenital sadness, especially in his earlier
relationships, but that he's better at keeping it in check.
It is interesting. I feel like that kind of goes
with, like, the restlessness in a way.
Like he's always trying to fill some void in his life.
Yeah, I'm puzzled. I'm just puzzled about what's
going on. I know, And about Jen, he says.
Her emphasis is the home, friends and family we all kind
of crowd around her like Moss to the flame.
She's like a magnet. She brings a lot of people
together that way. Jen's fireplace, she provides
the warmth. That's nice.
Yeah, that's a really sweet thing to say.
It does seem like he does have a lot of love and admiration for
her and he's asked how they feel about the media attention on
them as a couple and he says. Neither of us wants to be the
spokesperson for a happy marriage.
For a couple of them, I'll tell you what I despise.
This too becomes one thing where you lose your individuality.
We don't cage each other with this pressure of happily ever
after. You figure it out as you go
along. We feel it out rather than
setting policies and rules. Jen and I always made a pact
that will see where this is going.
I'm not sure it really is in our nature to be with someone for
the rest of our lives just because you made that pact.
You keep going as long as you keep growing.
When that dies, we do. But it constantly surprises me
just when you think we've gotten.
All you can get out of it, you get knocked upside down the
head. It's good fun.
We still have that friendship. We still have a good laugh,
which can go in and out depending on the dynamics and
outside influences. It's complicated, but that's
what keeps it interesting. We're good at getting shit on
the table. Then she tells other people, and
I get mad. What?
A lot to break down there kind of goes.
Against what we were saying earlier about like why we think
marriage is kind of romantic. Like it's it is odd for me to
hear someone say, like we'll see where this goes.
Like I don't think most normal people when they get married
have a like, let's see where this goes.
Like he said. Did he say we're both people
that wouldn't be with someone for the rest of their lives?
I don't know if it's in our nature to be with someone, so I
don't know if he's talking about them as two people or humans,
humans in general. Still, still, I would not want
to hear my husband say that, No. Yeah.
Publicly. Oh, you know, we're just having
fun and seeing where it goes. Yeah, I don't know if humans are
meant to be 1. Person, excuse me, I mean, in
just knowing what we know now that like at this time his
attraction for Angelina Jolie was probably a huge taking up a
huge piece of his mind. That is very interesting that
it's almost like he has one foot out the door, you know, and is
contemplating. He's trying to explain it away,
saying like, well, I don't know if people are even supposed to.
And it's like. Because he thinks what he's
saying is, like, so romantic in a way.
He's like, we have a pact. Like we have a mutual
understanding for each other that like, we're just gonna keep
going until we can't go any further.
Really. Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, to each their own. But and the way he even says,
like, outside influences, Yeah, I guess that could be the press.
But also another woman. If I was Jennifer's friends
right now, I'd be freaking out. Me too.
This is not good. Like, I don't.
Doesn't sound good. No, I guess like, I mean, it's
good to not see marriage like a end all be all if it's very
unhappy and miserable. But it's a bad sign when they're
saying like, yeah. You know, this might not be it
for everything, but but he does end this interview by saying
that he's happier than he's ever been.
OK, but is that because of her? I know.
Or because of Angelina. That's so true to the outside
world, though you would think it's because of Jen.
A couple weeks later he went on the Oprah show and he's asked
about this article and we have a clip.
This is the home. This is a quote, you say.
Friends and family, we all crawled around her like moths to
the flame. Yeah, she's she's very.
She's one of the warmest people I meet and we all.
You say she's the magnet. We do all crowd around her.
She's like that, that fire. We all crowd around for warmth
and she's no, I'm not this is this is genuine.
It's truly genuine. She's there's not a ill
intentioned bone in this woman's body.
She's really, she's really extraordinary that way and she's
taught me a lot that way. She brings people together.
I just saw the other day at the Bel Air Hotel.
We're talking about, you know, friends, the same thing and all
that. Okay.
So let's roll just a little bit of that.
You know, your husband's going to be on.
I have to interview him next week.
Did You Know? That I'm so jealous I can't be
in Chicago and be there. So what should I ask him?
Oh. Anything you possibly can.
Have you seen the movie? I have and it's fantastic.
It's exquisite, It's epic. It's huge.
And he's a badass. You you look at the camera and
say something to him for me you want to say because we're going
to air this when he's on. Oh, you are, Yeah.
Where's which camera? That one right there.
Hi baby. I love you.
I feel you wouldn't suspect if you're just like an outside
person who's really invested in this couple.
You wouldn't answer. Yeah, you would think that
they're more in love than ever. You know you would.
Especially because they're on something like the Oprah show,
like. You know, people stay at home
moms and stuff, they're home. They're like they have that on
TV while they're like folding their laundry and watching it.
Like, I feel like especially like at that time, not that
daytime talk shows like aren't still really big, but like they
it just they felt very significant to me, like growing
up like even like on 1/2 day like they were on TV and I don't
know, I feel like tabloids were even bigger back then and like
they were just like in your living room.
So do you felt like you knew them really well?
And they were huge celebrities. And so that summer, I mean, they
still are, obviously. But that summer the filming of
Mr. and Mrs. Smith is further underway.
Obviously people believe that Angelina and Brad had an affair
while they were filming it, and they both later on had denied
this. And Angelina had said that she
would never be attracted to a man who would cheat on his wife.
And I do believe that they maybe didn't cheat.
I mean, I don't know. I could go either way.
Where do these rumors come from? Just people assuming something's
gone because they were so sexy in the movie.
Yeah, and then like, is that the only reason?
Well, and because also he got together with Angelina, like
right after the divorce. So it just seemed like obviously
something must have been going on.
But in 2006, Angelina gave an interview about their
relationship and she said I didn't know much about exactly
where Brad was in his personal life, but it was clear he was
with his best friend, someone he loves and respects.
And so we were both loving, I suppose.
We were both living, I suppose, very full lives.
I think we were the last two people who were looking for a
relationship. Like, no shit, Obviously if
you're married, you're not looking for a relationship.
Yeah, but she said I certainly wasn't.
I was quite content to be a single mom.
Brad was a huge surprise to me. I, like most people, had a very
distant impression of him from the media.
And she said because of the film, we ended up being brought
together to do all these crazy things.
And I think we found this strange friendship and
partnership that kind of just suddenly happened.
I think a few months in I realized, God, I can't wait to
get to work. Anything we had to do with each
other, we just found a lot of joy in it together and a lot of
real teamwork. We just became kind of a pair.
It took until really the end of the shoot for us, I think, to
realize that it might mean something more than we'd earlier
allowed ourselves to believe, and both knowing that the
reality of that was a big thing, something that was going to take
a lot of serious consideration. Which I believe, like I do think
like if they were very attracted to each other but then also had
to be intimate for their job. Like you literally do have to do
like sex scenes with this person.
It would be very hard to like resist your desires because like
it's not like you can be like, you know what, I'm married.
I need distance from this person because it's your job, you know.
That is crazy. Wow.
Like I think in real life someone might be able to.
They might be tempted by other people or feel attracted to
people, but they're able to create more clear boundaries in
order to protect their relationship.
But like, if you're filming a movie with someone where you do
need to have chemistry, it's almost like it would be bad for
your job to, like, not continue to, like, explore it.
That's wild. So I feel kind of like, you
know, people obviously hate Angelina, and I feel like maybe
we should get more into that in the next episode.
But I kind of understand it. Like, it does seem like they
weren't trying to fall in love, but they just happened to and
like, what are you supposed to do?
Kind of. Yeah, I wonder if him and
Jennifer's relationship was breaking down already in some
ways, because I don't know. I do think even though he maybe
was attracted to her, and yes, they have to.
Make out and pretend to have sex and stuff like that.
When the movie ended, I feel like you should have still been
able to walk away, yeah? But, and I don't think he did,
they did remain really good friends while taking a lot of
time to deeply consider and contemplate what they should do
with their connections. Like at that point, it kind of
is an at least an emotional affair.
If you're like talking with the other person about potentially
leaving your wife for her, like, yeah, that is kind of cheating.
That is emotionally cheating. I know some people debate like
if that's really cheating or whatever, but I don't know.
If that is a type, I think it is that it is.
But I do think like it's it's I think would be traumatizing to
experience as being on the receiving end is Jennifer
Aniston. But I guess at some point, some
people do have to experience that.
Like, you really did feel like you loved somebody else even
though you were married. Like, you do have to consider
it. Maybe if you feel like, oh,
shoot, am I with the right person?
I don't know. I feel like it's romantic to
call your partner, like your best friend.
But it does appear to me like maybe with Jennifer and Brad.
Obviously this is speculation, but like, they're very heavy on
the friendship thing at this point in their marriage.
Publicly. That, yeah, makes you wonder if,
like, it feels more like a friendship than a relationship.
It that's what I was thinking. It was odd to me, hearing that
phrase a couple times, like maybe that the excitement of,
you know, a new relationship had worn off, obviously.
And so, like, everything with Angelina was just more
thrilling. But you can't chase that
forever. No, it's going to wear off with
any everybody. Yeah.
And I feel like a mature person probably knows that when they
get married. But do people stay hungry for
that? I don't know.
It's kind of scary. I think you just have to realize
that it's just a distraction in a way.
Well, that goes. That goes with his restlessness.
Yes, Yeah. I don't think he's someone who
might be content with just like a peaceful marriage.
So then what Mel? So again, still to the public,
it seems like Brad and Jenn are still going strong.
They walk the red carpet once again at the Emmys that year and
OK, then it's December 27th and Brad and Jen leave for a two
week getaway to Ann Gilla for a New Year's Eve with Courtney Cox
and David Arquette like a vacation and paparazzi snaps
photos of them on the trip together and they look very in
love. And on this trip he's wearing a
tshirt on the beach that says trash.
And I don't really know like if that.
Has anything? Yeah, just like trash on his
tshirt. And but there's a photo of them
kissing on the beach, and sources on the island say that
they seem very in love. And one restaurant owner told Us
Weekly that they were all over each other like a rash.
They had their paws all over each other.
And on New Year's Eve, witnesses said that his arm was around her
the entire night. And then it's, you know, New
Year's Eve. It's January, it's now 2005,
it's a new year, and on the last full day of their vacation, the
couple release a joint statement to People magazine.
They say we would like to announce that after seven years
together, we have decided to formally separate.
What the hell? They're still on vacation.
For those who follow these sort of things, we would like to
explain that our separation is not the result of any of the
speculation reported by the tabloid media.
This decision is the result of much thoughtful consideration.
We happily remain committed and caring friends with great love
and admiration for one another. We ask in advance for your
kindness and sensitivity in the coming months.
I don't understand how this is possible.
I know, and on the flight back to California, both Jen and Brad
are still wearing their wedding rings, and an editor for Us
Weekly, Janice Min, says that the couple took this vacation
knowing it was going to be the end of their marriage.
One that's freaky. I have to ask you guys, if you
know that a breakup is imminent, is it a good idea to end it with
like one last hurrah? Like one last romantic guy I.
Could not. I couldn't.
I mean, maybe if I'm the one that decided it, but if I'm the
one being dumped, no, you're fucking way you're smelling.
Get your cake and eat it too. And no, but also I I don't know,
I did go on like this weekend trip where I feel like I'd, you
know, bleep um, where I knew that the relationship was like
ending. It was pretty obvious, but like,
it was horrible. Yeah, I feel like you were like,
I don't want to be here. It was absolutely awful, the
worst trip I've ever been on in my life.
So I don't understand. I mean, I guess they're just
really chill. Or I don't know.
I don't understand how they were like all over each other and
just having a good time. Supposedly it's like they were
like in the pictures in denial. I feel like sometimes people
maybe do that with like they have sex like one last time but
like, but that's like stupid like I.
Didn't think I could do that. That's going to make it only.
If it was only, if only. See, it's like kind of
narcissistic, I think. But like only if it was my
decision. I feel like could enjoy that,
but like if if I'm the one who didn't initiate.
The divorce or the breakup, like that would just be tragic.
Well, here, you know what I think?
I think for the person who decided it, it's selfish because
it's like, Oh yeah, Like, it's almost like when you take your,
like, you know you're going to put your dog down.
And so you give them like one last day where they get to eat
like a McDonald's cheeseburger or something.
Like that's what it's reminding me of.
But, like, I feel like for the person who's getting broken up
with, I wonder if for them, they almost think it's like one last
chance to, like, convince the person like what they're going
to be missing. You know that's true, which is
stupid. It's stupid because it's like
it's the person has already made-up their mind.
You're just making it harder for yourself because you're
reminding yourself what you're going to lose, you know?
I mean, if anyone can pull that off and do it and enjoy it, like
all props to them, that's. Great, but that just seems so
awful. Seems like it's prolonging the
sadness. Also weird that they did it with
like another couple. I know.
Oh my gosh. I wonder what Courtney Cox and
David Marquette thought. Yeah, like, this is awkward.
I wish I wasn't here because they must have known about it
like they probably were working on their statement, right?
Yeah. Gosh, I don't.
Know celebrities? So weird, I know.
Also, like, cut the crap. I hate those statements about,
like, we remain committed friends to each other.
Like, I'm sorry. Like, you're not going to be
committed friends to each other anymore.
Like, you don't have to pretend like this is, like, a happy
thing. They always do that.
Like, just say, like, we're breaking up.
Give us our privacy. They always act like it's for no
reason to. I know people don't get divorced
for no reason. No, and that doesn't make any
sense. They always act like it's like
we just mutually came to the decision that this was best.
We lovingly decided to break up. Like, no.
There's probably a little animosity there if you want to
break up in the first place. We love each other so much that
we're sending each other free. Yeah.
What? No.
Like you would still be married if you loved each other that
much. And I don't know.
I just don't like that they do it like that.
Because, yes, it probably makes it better for themselves.
But for us normal people who are, like, so distraught about
breakups, it's like, wait, is this easier for everybody else?
And no, they're just pretending. I know.
I do hate that. I mean, yeah, I guess some
people are just really chill or maybe they're just heartless, I
don't know. But I do sometimes compare
myself to people that are seemingly able to, like, be in
the band with their ex or, you know, be best friends with their
there's significant others, X or whatever.
And I'm like, what the heck? Why aren't I able to do that?
Yeah, and it's like, is there just pretending.
I know, like it's there's something wrong with me that I
feel like I'm going to throw up just by the mention of their
name. Yeah, I'm sure it's a spectrum
and some people really are a lot chiller than I am, but I have to
believe that most celebrities are faking it.
Me too. I think they are.
And of course everybody is shocked.
I mean, this was a couple that seemed like they were just
making out on the beach. Like, what happened?
Yeah, and tabloids. Yeah, literally.
And tabloids are initially reporting that it's because Brad
wanted kids, but Jen wasn't ready.
I've heard that, but still. It's rumored that the real
reason is, of course, Angelina Jolie.
But Brad, who at this time makes $200 million per movie, has a
lot to lose if he goes through a messy divorce.
And I'm going to read an excerpt from this editor Joe Dulci of
Star magazine, he wrote. These guys careers are based on
their saleability which is based on their appeal and their
attractiveness to the public and that has to be maintained.
If it came out that Brad was having an affair cheating on his
wife, there might be a couple years where Brad couldn't open a
movie depending on what that movie was.
You know, if this main draw was, if his main draw was women and
women are angry at him for messing around on his wife with
another beautiful, gorgeous Hollywood starlet, they might
vote with their daughters and not go see the next movie, which
is really interesting. And we have to keep in mind that
a big star like Brad has a lot of pull with reporters.
He has the best publicist in town.
And so stories like that, like he wanted kids, but Jen wasn't
ready. You kind of do have to question,
like, where are they coming from?
Because it does seem like it's not a noble reason to leave your
wife, but like something that people might be more sympathetic
to, you know? Yeah, that's so true.
But it's stupid. I feel like what you're talking
about. Like, I don't know, the typical
housewife at home with the daytime TV on or something.
Like she would turn against Jen for that reason.
Yes, that's so true. You know, and these are the
people that were attached to them because they're like on
Oprah and Diane Sawyer and stuff.
But it's so hard to believe because I feel like a man
usually doesn't leave his wife because she's not ready to have
kids. I mean, I'm sure it happens, but
like, they don't have that, like time limit the way a woman does.
So it's not like I. Know I find it hard to, hard to
believe, Yeah, it's not like he's like, I'm in a rush like.
I've never heard of that happening.
No. I mean, maybe since he does have
that restlessness, he was, like, eager for the next step.
But I don't buy them. Maybe we're already talking
about having kids anyway, Like, I I just don't think that that's
really true. I know, I I don't know.
I've. I guess I only know my own
experiences, but I've heard of the reverse happening and had a
sexual relationships where the woman wants to have a kid and
man doesn't and so she leaves him.
But I've never heard of the opposite, yeah.
Sure, it has happened. But.
And it's just interesting because, like, he leaves her for
someone who, like, already has a kid and is like, in the process.
Like, Angelina at this time had adopted a baby boy like a year
before, and she's in the process of adopting a daughter.
So, like, he's leaving her for someone who's like, very
motherly, you know? So now it's March, March 25th.
Jen officially files for divorce, and ironically, around
this time it's announced that Jen will star in the romantic
comedy The Breakup. And she's asked about that in an
interview and she says, well, you know, I just figured sees
the moment. I don't think I've seen that
movie, but I would like to. I've never finished it.
I've started it like 10 times. I've really, it's not that it's
a bad movie, it's just like for some reason I've never watched
it all the way through. I see.
I see I should one of these days.
So it's April and paparazzi photos come out of Brad and
Angelina on the beach in Kenya playing with her son Maddox, and
like they just look like a happy little family together, and one
of Jen's best friends from high school, Andrea Bennetwald, told
reporters. It was extremely hurtful to Jen
that he was seen with another woman so quickly after they were
separated. Man.
Which I think a lot of Jen's close friends seemingly talk to
the press. And it like if her mom telling
an unauthorized story, like selling a story, was so
upsetting to her, it does kind of make me think that Jen kind
of authorized her friends to, like, tell her side of the story
without having to do it herself, you know?
That's such a good point. Like they do it a lot.
And I feel like it's like her way of throwing him under the
bus but not coming across as bitter or resentful.
That's her way of putting her feelings up there, exactly.
And so the public starts being really sympathetic.
For Jen, a very popular Hollywood boutique called Kitson
reported that it's Team Aniston tshirts were out selling the
Team Jolie shirts 25 to 1. Wow.
A cultural phenomenon. Really.
Yeah.
Seriously. Everybody loves a love triangle.
It's very salacious. And it it sells.
People love to be able to pick between two options.
Yeah, they really do. And they love to be passed
included. Yeah, yeah.
So then in May, Brad broke his silence on the breakup to GQ.
He said we've done it our way and I love her for that.
We've kept the love we have for each other.
It's talked about like it failed, I guess because it
wasn't flawless. Me, I embrace the messiness of
life. I find it so beautiful.
Actually, the idea that marriage has to be for all time.
I don't understand. Like, shut up, Brad.
OK. Oh, my God.
Yeah. I hate how he's like, trying to
make it seem like it's noble. I know.
And I think if someone had just left me for another woman and he
said I like to embrace the messiness of life, I would be so
mad, yeah. Like, this is my my, my
masterpiece of life. I know, Crazy.
Like, let me write that in your diary.
Don't tell the world that. That's like what helps you sleep
at night, sure, but like, keep it to yourself.
Yeah, you like to embrace the messiness.
What about your ex-wife? Yeah, Like, what about the
people left behind? Yeah, especially because, like,
she actually, like, didn't want the divorce.
Yeah, it was his idea. What is the mess?
It's like it's other people. I don't know.
It just seems disrespectful. And also like him saying, like
the idea that marriage has to be for all of time.
I don't understand that. Then like, why did you get
married? It does.
Yeah. Then why did you?
Yeah, it does seem like to him. Maybe that's why he was
proposing left and right to people, because it didn't mean
that much to him. He's a charming guy.
He is attractive and he seems friendly and stuff, but he seems
very weird. Yeah, I don't know if I could be
happy with him. I don't know if he would treat
me right. Probably not now.
Probably not. Probably not.
So then it's July, and Brad accompanied Angelina and her son
Maddox on a trip to Ethiopia, where she adopted her oldest
daughter, Sahara. Which that is really intimate,
Like, you're going with her to get a child, a new family
member. Like, that's pretty serious.
Yeah. And Brad and Angelina did a 60
page photo spread. For W magazine, obviously, like
in the anticipation for Mr. and Mrs. Smith, where they are
photographed as a 1960s couple with five kids and the feature
was titled Domestic Bliss, Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt at
home. And I sent you photos from that
which bad time pages. Oh yeah, I've seen this.
They're very, very beautiful pictures.
But yeah, that is that would be very upsetting.
It's so insensitive that they would do that.
Yeah, like it's in promotion for a movie and like they're playing
characters in the movie. But like if you're already
rumored, heavily rumored with photographic evidence to have
just left your wife for another woman.
Like, wow, Another like, playing house.
Yeah, that'd be devastating to see.
Oh my God. And apparently the concept was
Brad's idea, and he even retained the rights for the
photo shoot and thus profited off of the magazine sales.
So it's not like the photographer, like, pitched it.
Yeah, I had to. Yeah, no, that just shows like
to me, like a callousness to him and like lack of consideration.
Like, I feel like if if he really like, loved and respected
his friend Jen. He would maybe be a little bit
more private about, like, not like being so in your face, but
it also like, plays into the rumor that like, oh, he, you
know, he's just like noble guy, like just like looking to start
a family. You know, it does, Yeah.
I mean, the cover is literally him in the backyard with like
four of their sons or fake sons in the kiddie pool.
It literally plays into that rumor.
Yeah. And I think that's the idea, but
it's kind of obvious how many do it is.
And like, there's a lot of photos like this.
Must have been like, multiple days of Wow photo shoot, yeah?
Damn. So then at September and Jen is
interviewed by Vanity Fair in an article titled The Unsinkable
Jennifer Aniston. Her people are really.
Working overtime, I think to like, make her the hero of this
story and succeed. Like people are more in love
with Jennifer Aniston than ever before.
And she's America's sweetheart. She really is, and the
interviewer writes that at 36, Jen had originally expected to
get pregnant. This past year, she's asked
about the rumors that their marriage ended because he wanted
to start a family, and she didn't.
And she says a man divorcing would never be accused of
choosing career over a child. That really pissed me off.
I've never in my life said I didn't want to have children.
I did and I do and I will. The women that inspire me are
the ones who have careers and children.
Why would I want to limit myself?
I've always wanted to have children and I would never give
up that experience for a career. I want to have it all.
And that, like, makes me really sad because I feel like the
press. After that was like very
invasive regarding Jen's like fertility and whether she was
going to have kids. And like every time she dated
someone, it was like, will this finally be her baby daddy?
Yeah, I think A. Part of that might be people
projecting their own fears of like the possibility that like
you might not get everything that you want in life and like
it's is kind of sad that like. She said she really wanted to
have kids and then through no fault of her own, like was
blindsided by the end of this marriage with this person who
she thought she was going to have kids with.
And like, people can understand that fear of like, oh, I
invested so much time in this and then it didn't work out.
And then something I really wanted might not come to
fruition anymore. So, like, I feel like it comes
from a place of empathy for people.
But like, it did cross the line. It definitely did.
I remember so many magazines, like anytime she'd be on the
beach or something that they would be like she's pregnant or,
I don't know, just overanalyzing how her stomach looks that day.
And it was so invasive, yeah. And it's quite annoying if it's
because Brad's PR put out way back in the day that that she
didn't want to have kids and. I know, yeah.
Yeah, like the damage that, like they did with that.
Yeah, if that's true. But I I think, like, I hate to
say it, but like, I feel like in a way it comes from a a good
place where people just like, love Jennifer Aniston and like
really wanted her to get everything that she wanted.
But it's like, yeah, I do think so.
It's invasive and I think it also like a lot of people would
interpret it as, oh, like it's people saying that, like women
are like worthless unless they have children.
I really don't think it. I know that that's often times a
part of it like, but I think people just like wanted Jen to
be happy and like they saw that as like something that she like
lost as a result of the end of this marriage.
So yeah, I I get what you're saying it.
It really is like the aunt or uncle that you know does just
want their it needs to be happy and like they do cross the line,
but. Yeah, it comes from like
everybody, like just like loves her and like wants her.
But yeah, especially because later she revealed like she had
fertility issues too. And like, obviously it's like
she was worried about this, like other people don't have to worry
about it on her behalf. So yeah.
That only very private. Yeah, I think unfortunately the
fact that they had been so public, I don't think they
realized that they would be like.
Paying the price. And really Jen would be paying
the price for that so many years later.
So Jen's close friends tells reporters, the reporter Leslie
Bennett of this article that Brad could have done more to
refute the rumors, but that they think he didn't because it made
it seem as though he left her for a noble reason, to leave her
for Earth Mother Jolie, which is kind of funny.
She really is like, she does seem like Mother Teresa, like
adopting these orphans and. Yeah, and a friend says when
Brad and Jen were in the marriage, having a baby was not
his priority ever. It was an abstract desire for
him, whereas for Jen it was much more immediate.
So is there a part of Brad that's diabolical?
Did he think I need to get out of this marriage?
But I want to come out smelling like a rose, so I'm going to let
Jen be cast as the ultra feminist, and I'm going to get
cast as the poor husband who couldn't get a baby.
And so I had to move on. Oh my God.
I believe that because like in that article before, she was the
one talking about baby proofing the apartment or the house.
And he was the one that was like.
I think I want kids. Yeah.
Like eventually I do want kids. Like, I'm ready for that next
step. It seems fulfilling to, you
know, teach kids what you know, you know?
But it was self like, I don't know.
I mean obviously I don't know them.
I don't know. I wasn't there.
I wasn't in the room when all this went down.
But just from what I'm picking up, I if I had to guess, I feel
like it had nothing to do with kids whatsoever.
I feel like he was just into Angelina Jolie and he seems very
restless and he was just moving on to the next thing.
Exactly. And like, the only reason kids
are even brought up is because Angelina has two kids.
Yeah. And it's very unfortunate that,
like, they're even, like, wasting time on any other
things. But you know, once someone like,
gets in trouble and they really do everything they can to, like,
divert attention and like, make it about something else, Yep.
So in this article it's revealed that it was Brad's idea to
separate and that Jen did not want to, and that she had
suspicions that it was about Angelina, but that he denied it.
And when the interviewer asks her about that, she says what we
said was true. As far as I knew, we wrote it
together very consciously and felt very good about it.
We exited the relationship as beautifully as we entered it,
which again is like, I feel like she's always trying to like be
positive, but the way she says what we said was true, as I
knew, I think is her admitting that like, he might have cheated
on me? I don't know.
Yeah, that. Maybe at the time she didn't
know everything. She's then asked about the
pictures of Brad and Angelina on the beach with Angelina's son.
And like, and about that being so soon after their breakup.
And she says the world was shocked and I was shocked.
And she describes the process of the breakup as a grieving
journey and that her friends make comments about how they're
all amazed by her strength. And she says, I felt, I feel
like I'm nesting. I love being home.
I have friends that come over at my girlfriends I've had for 20
years. When things happen, the tribe
gathers around and lifts you up. I've had lonely moments, sure,
but I'm also enjoying being alone.
There's no question it takes getting used to.
I'm a partnership person, and if something happens, your instinct
is to share it, but you're no longer part of a couple.
I definitely miss that. Sort of like Bambi, like you're
trying to learn how to walk. You're a little awkward, You
stumble a little bit. The things you would do with
your partner, you don't do. It's unchartered territory, but
I think it's good for me to be a solo person right now.
You're forced to reconnect yourself and take it to another
level. If you can find a way to see the
glass half full, there are the moments when you learn the most.
I've had to reintroduce myself to myself in a way that's
different. I think that's really well put.
Yeah, I think so too. I mean, you can tell like
someone who says something so eloquent like that, like they're
journaling. They're like reading self help
books, like they're like going to therapy, like they're doing
everything. Yeah, she's obviously going
through a lot to come to those realizations, but I think that
it is true. It really is true.
I feel you do learn the most about yourself going through
loss like that so. Yeah, I will say I'm pretty sure
she wasn't like totally single. I think she was dating Vince
Vaughn. Who she started with.
But I don't think it was that serious of a relationship.
And the fact she's saying all this, like, it really makes you
wonder. Like, were they just kind of
like pretend dating, You know, so it looked like she was moving
on and I'm not sure. Maybe so on.
This is a very long article and very revealing.
Like it's. I don't think stuff like this is
really ever written nowadays, where like the biggest celebrity
you get like all these pieces of juice.
What is it? Well, so she just like they
talk. Like the whole interview was
basically about the divorce and on the idea of being left for
another woman, she says. I would be a robot if I said I
didn't feel moments of anger, of hurt, of embarrassment.
And, she adds, I don't feel like a victim.
I've worked with this therapist for a long time, and her major
focus is that you get one day of being a victim and that's it.
Then we take responsibility for our own input.
To live in a victim place is pointing a finger at someone
else, as if you had no control. Relationships are two people.
Everything is accountable. I kind of hate when people say
stuff like that. In terms of cheating though,
because it's like it's. It's still never really your
fault to get cheated on. I don't know it's not.
But it it can be helpful in a way to recognize like maybe I
had low self esteem or something and I I knew that he was kind of
shifty and I but like I had to stay with him because he's Brad
Pitt and now I need to recognize that I don't need to be with
somebody. That's very gorgeous because
blah blah blah, you know what I mean?
Yeah, like I'm better off. I thought that person.
Anyway, yeah, I think it is good to put some power back in your
hands. Exactly, yeah.
I agree with that and learn from it.
I do think that if you stay in that place of like woe is me,
like I was cheated on like it's going to be hard to.
Never move on because you'll feel like you're owed something
that you're not going to receive from somebody else.
So. And you cannot control anybody
else. Unfortunately, it's true.
It's true. And she's asked if she believed
that. Brad.
Didn't cheat, which like I feel like, like, like I said
nowadays. Like reporters like are not that
like upfront, I know. And she said I chose to believe
my husband at this point. I wouldn't be surprised by
anything, but I would much rather choose to believe him.
That's hard, I know. The interviewer brings up Brad's
new bleach bond hair and Jen says Billy Idol called.
He wants his look back. So she's like something like
kind of flirty I feel. And she's asked about the W
magazine photo spread and she says I can also imagine Brad
having absolutely no clue why people would be appalled by it.
Brad is not mean spirited. He would never intentionally try
to rub something in my face. In hindsight, I can see him
going, Oh, I can see that was inconsiderate.
But I know Brad. Brad wouldn't say Brad.
Brad would say that's art. Yeah, I'm sure he was like,
obviously it wasn't mean spirited, but like be a little
bit smarter. Like, I feel like, honestly, I
feel like the lack of intent is like worse.
Because it's like you weren't thinking about that at all.
I don't know. Brad.
Brad.
I know she goes on to say that her idea of marriage is that
it's not perfect, but when things get tough, it could be an
amazing moment of deepening and enlightenment and connection.
But then she lights a cigarette, which I didn't know she was a
singer, and adds. That's not Brad's view of it.
We believe in different things. I guess you can't force a
relationship, even if it's your view of how you would like it to
be conducted, which is very true.
So chill like the cigarette. I know you know what that's
balls like. That's like that's hot.
It is so cool. It's like kind of like she
lights a cigarette and she's like, but say Lovey, I love it.
You can't control people, and her same high school friend from
before, Andrea says. He wanted to figure out who he
was and what he wanted, but he seemed to want to do it without
being married. She wanted him to figure out
what he wanted and stay married. He didn't think he could do
that. So at this point she was like,
OK, go figure it out. What a good friend, But what?
What is going leaving one person for another?
How was that like even exploring yourself or learning what
yourself? I know, yeah, just going right
into another relationship. Yeah, that's not really
exploring yourself, that's exploring somebody else.
I feel like Brad has some issues.
I mean, I do think it's like. How do you explain that, though?
Like it's it would be painful to hear.
Like, I just fell in love with somebody else.
Like, I know it's it kind of. It lessens the blow to say like
I'm exploring myself. I know people.
People totally do that. I've done it too.
Yeah, it's, yeah. There's no way to make it, like,
less painful for the person. I don't mean I haven't left
someone for someone else or haven't cheated on someone.
I just meant that you say things to make it sound.
Better 100%, but like a lot of that is oftentimes coming from a
caring place because you don't want to hurt the other person.
And like, if the person loved you, it almost hurts more to
like become. A bad guy in their eyes, because
it's like probably would be painful for Jen if she began to
believe that this man she loved was like the type of person who
would do something malicious or bad, you know?
So I can see why she's, like, still defending him, probably
giving him a little bit too much mercy.
Yeah, And so she reveals that she's still in contact with
Brad's mother and that she hopes that her and Brad can be friends
again someday. And that same month, she
appeared on The Oprah Winfrey Show, and she appeared very
strong and insightful after the divorce.
And that is my final clip. I don't believe that you call
things into your life and then things happen as as they should.
When? When you're ready for it, that's
what happened. What would be your big lesson
from this whole? This whole thing, besides
wanting more publicity, I just felt like I was not getting
enough publicity. You know, I think there's
probably so many reasons, but. You know, the other the other
day I was doing yoga and with my girlfriend and we were, we
finished, we were sort of sitting there just sort of
stretching and I looked over at her and I said, you know what I
have to say? I'm feeling a feeling I have.
I don't know if I've ever actually felt before, and that
is that I don't want to be anywhere other than where I am
right now sitting across from. Me.
You know. I'm not.
I'm not sitting somewhere dwelling on the past or I'm not
fretting or, you know, obsessing about something in the future or
something that was, you know, it's just, it was a feeling of
total peace and. I love that.
How did you, how did you get there?
Because you had to have, you had to shed some tears.
You had to have some moments where you were like, Oh my gosh.
Me not shed a tear. Yeah.
Please. Yeah.
So you know, although I did not burst into tears at the opening
of that article, by the way, I'll just say that.
But anyway. So you shed some tears.
You shed some. Tears but meaning you know it
was it's sort of that the the the living in the moment in the
in the now as they say and all the self help books because if I
had a dollar for every book that was sent my way I could have
probably paid for the studio but you know I we needed. $2.00.
$2.00 for every book. But we had $2.00 for every book.
So, but yeah, you can read the book.
You can read them and you can sort of intellectualize it.
But the truth is, and you sit there going, well, how do I do
that? You know, and you're frustrated
and then you get down on yourself because you're not
there yet. And then you just realize one
day it's just, it's happened, it's collected in your, you
know, your your your cellular memory and and that's and then
one day you're sitting there with your friend doing yoga and
you go, oh, I get it, I'm OK. I get it.
I'm wondering if it's not impossible when.
It's not my fault. I wonder if it's not impossible.
When you're in a relationship that's so high, profile not to
in some way lose yourself in that.
Did you? Did you lose yourself?
Sure. I mean come on, it's sort of
like because it's so big and it's so much information and
you're it's almost like you're trying to.
Kind of navigate through through all of it, through the truth
through the bull through the you know stuff that's not that's
mean that's everything that you kind of you do.
I don't know when it happens. You just kind of go, geez,
what's where do I begin and that stops.
It's but you know it's it's not easy.
Wow. Yeah, I feel like that, kind of.
That reminded me of like one of your breakups where you read The
power of now and like gained such a.
Yes. Enhanced sense of being present
and like understanding what it means to be a peaceful person.
Yes, Oprah. Oprah kind of.
I mean, I had heard of Eckhart Toy before, but Oprah kind of
reintroduced. Really.
To me Eckart, totally the power of now and New Earth and I love
those books and thank you Oprah and.
Yeah, that was. I know to hear that she was
talking. About that's why I hate when
people shit on Oprah, because I'm like, she really like, has
inspired people. She helps.
People, Oprah has genuinely helped me.
No, like so I feel like she's literally like gave me such a
spiritual like. In his spirituality and like
sense of peace I don't know. Me too.
I feel like. Jen seemed a bit more chill,
laid back in the interview at some point.
She still sounded a little bit like she's acting, but yeah, she
seemed a little bit looser. A lot looser than the sorry.
There's like like a mariachi band or something outside.
Cool, but. Yeah, no, yeah.
A lot chiller than the Diane Sawyer interview.
And it's like, but you can really tell that like she's
really like done the work, as they say, like healing from this
breakup. And it's kind of like the total
opposite of what it seems. Brad is where he's again, like,
restless. No, he's chasing something and
like someone who's like that. They are not focused on being in
the present moment and like appreciating what's right in
front of them. I mean, we we don't know.
But, like, she could have come out of this feeling much more at
peace than him, even though she was the one that was broken up
with, yeah. Because like, she was the one
that actually had to, like, do the active healing.
Like when someone like breaks up with someone and then jumps
right into a relationship, they're actually not doing like,
all the reflecting. And like, yeah, self growth that
the other person is doing. So like, I feel like they
actually get like less out of it in the long run.
Wow. And I like that.
Yeah, I like that. She said all that, though,
because it's really inspiring because she's like, when am I
going to feel it? Like, when am I going to feel
better? And then she's like, and then
you just do for anyone who's like, you know, going through it
like it's like, just wait. You will like at one point feel
better. It'll like sneak up on you.
Patience. Patience is the hardest thing.
It's it's sometimes you just have to remember.
That word just be like patience, exactly.
It is. It's so awful.
Like time really is the only cure for things like that.
And it's like, it sucks to hear that.
It's so infuriating, but you just have to keep.
Going Yeah, It's a journey. And then in October, the divorce
was finalized. It was pretty simple, like Jen
got their $25 million home and kept a minor stake in their
joint company, Plan B. Their production company.
Yes, while Brad became the sole owner, now he's the owner.
And it was worth about $50 million at the time.
And because they didn't sign a prenup, Jen technically was
entitled to 50% of Brad's earnings because he still made
more than her according to the California State law.
But she wasn't really interested in that, so I don't even think
she, like, accepted it. She really, she really just,
like, wants peace with everybody, it seems.
Yeah, yeah, I feel. Like you can do that.
Weren't they making a million? But they're making a million in.
Episodes. Yeah.
Yeah, she was fine. Like, he made more than her,
but, like, barely. Yeah, she'll be OK.
Like, yeah. And I'm going to leave off
there. And then next episode, we'll
continue the timeline and we'll take a little bit more of
Angelina Jolie's perspective. And we'll still, but we'll still
keep Jen. Like, keep giving you updates on
like where Jen and Brad stand through it.
So if you're still interested in this couple, they'll continue in
the next episode. Should we do custody Battle I.
Think most people would pick Jennifer Aniston, I would say.
Yes, I would do. Not to jump ahead, but it's so
funny because like now, years later, like, I feel like now
that he's not with Angelina, people still like a fantasize
about. Jen and Brad getting back
together, but it's like. Yes, we do.
He's not the prize. Like, I don't.
I don't know. I would not want to get with
somebody years later after they left me for somebody else and
had six kids. No, like she's the prize.
He doesn't get to win her in the end, I don't think.
That is still on the cover. It's great that would.
Be honestly a bummer. Like 20 years, 20 years, It's
not deserve basically. If I believe that if someone
forces you to read the power of now or like any self help books
like. They don't get to get back
together with you. Thanks, Mel.
It's a good book. Yeah.
You know, I don't have to go
through a breakup to. No, but I feel like you have to
go through something to want. Exactly.
Otherwise you're kind of like OK, this is annoying, but yeah,
if you're like at your width and I.
This is very fun. I can't wait.
I mean, it's very sad. Divorce is very sad, but I can't
wait for Part 2. I'm excited too.
Thanks guys for listening. And Yep, Part 2, when Brad Pitt
Met Angelina Jolie will be, I guess maybe we'll say when
Angelina Jolie met Brad Pitt will be available on our Patreon
and. Get back together then.
Bye. Is your heart peeled with pain?
Shall I come back again? Tell me dear, how are you, long
term turn? Ah.