1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:08,000 Are you lonesome tonight? Do you miss me tonight? 2 00:00:09,040 --> 00:00:19,520 Are you sorry we drifted apart? Does your boy oh boy, you. 3 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,280 Were recorded. Young State Allan smells like 4 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:28,440 liquor. This is a big episode today. 5 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,680 Welcome back to significant lovers. 6 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,200 Welcome. I am Mel. 7 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,800 I'm Kel. We're cousins and this is a true 8 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,080 love podcast and we're so happy to be here. 9 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,640 And why is it a big episode, Kel? 10 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:48,760 It's a big one because this is Beyoncé and Jay-Z, probably one 11 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,080 of the biggest celebrity couples of our age. 12 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,000 Power couple, Yep. Yes. 13 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,760 And they've been together for over 20 years. 14 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:03,840 So this this episode could have been many parts, but for some 15 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,320 reason I made the decision to just keep it in one. 16 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,200 You could talk about this couple, you could have a whole 17 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,480 podcast about them, You could go on and on. 18 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,280 There's so much to say, but, well, maybe to be selective. 19 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,200 Maybe in the future, because I'm sure you have a lot of research 20 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,160 that isn't going to be in the episode. 21 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,560 We could do an episode. We recover, you know, stuff that 22 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,800 we had to cut out of episodes left on the cutting room floor. 23 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,200 And so you can save it and we can revisit it sometime for a 24 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:35,200 bonus episode. Yeah, that's a good idea. 25 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:36,840 I know. I feel like there is sometimes 26 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,640 things that we don't include or like tangents that are kind of 27 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,640 related, but not really. Yeah. 28 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:46,040 But yes, we're doing it. This has been a couple, I feel 29 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,120 like kind of similar to Bennifer, where we always knew 30 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,160 we were going to do them eventually but have been putting 31 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:56,960 off because it's so big. But also Mel and I, this is kind 32 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,800 of funny. We're both hungover. 33 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:03,120 Yeah, because last night was the Oscars, and we're really into 34 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:07,040 that, and we're both partaking in the hair of the dog right 35 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:14,200 now, which we usually don't do. No, I told myself all day, I'm 36 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,240 not going to drink. I'm not going to drink like I 37 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,360 need to go easy. And here we are. 38 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:20,880 The recording time came around and I was like, you know what? 39 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,160 It will feel better to drink. I've been drinking. 40 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,080 I've been drinking. I'm. 41 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:35,400 Drinking surfboard, Surfboard. Exactly. 42 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,520 Yeah. I mean, I was a little nervous. 43 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,640 You know, I need to be up for this episode. 44 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,920 I had stage fright, so I'm having a little beverage. 45 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,280 And you know what? It is making me feel better. 46 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,040 Too my head just said I really don't. 47 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,280 Yeah, last night was the Oscars. Thank you to everybody who did 48 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,400 not trash on us for our Greta Gerwig and Noah Baumbach 49 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,320 episode. Had some supportive comments. 50 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,800 I was nervous about that. So thanks. 51 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,560 What were you gonna say, Mel? Oh, I was gonna ask you about 52 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:08,800 that couple. If. 53 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:10,800 You're ready for it. I'm ready. 54 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,240 I'm ready. So what 3 words would you use to 55 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,120 describe them? I'm really curious. 56 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:21,680 OK, the three words I would used to describe them as a couple are 57 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:27,400 ambitious, strong and calculated. 58 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,280 Oh, I don't know how I feel about that calculated. 59 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,080 Yep, I know. And I'm also a little nervous 60 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:40,760 because I know Beyoncé has one of the biggest fandoms today. 61 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:45,880 So, you know, give us a little grace if we leave something out 62 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,120 or get something a little bit wrong, because there's a lot to 63 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,320 go through. But it's been fun. 64 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,280 It's been fun learning more about them because I never 65 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,240 really like paid that close attention. 66 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,160 I mean, everybody knows about them, some things about them 67 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:03,040 like the elevator incidents which we will talk about and the 68 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,240 I don't even know what it's called pregnancy gate. 69 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,200 Or oh, I forgot about. That people thought Beyoncé was 70 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,320 faking her pregnancy, you know, myself included. 71 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,520 Yeah, there's been big moments throughout pop culture of their 72 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,399 relationship and their music, too. 73 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:19,320 Like crazy in love. So many songs, but I didn't know 74 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,960 too, too, too much about them. So it's been fun, but I guess I 75 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:24,400 should get into it because it's going to be long. 76 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,560 All right. I'm going to start with Miss 77 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,920 Beyoncé Knowles. Just a little bit of background 78 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,840 information, because who is she? I mean, she seems like such a 79 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:39,240 goddess pop star, almost like on another cloud level these days. 80 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:44,680 She seems so polished and almost like unattainable, you know what 81 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,280 I mean? But who is she really? 82 00:04:46,280 --> 00:04:52,080 Where did she begin? She was born September 4th, 1981 83 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,400 in Houston. Which reminds me, have you heard 84 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,400 her new? Country songs. 85 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:01,080 Yeah, I I actually country. Oh the second one I haven't 86 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:05,160 listened to that much. But the Texas Holdem one I love 87 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,120 I feel like. Me too, A. 88 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,640 Drug. To me, I feel like they're 89 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,200 pretty divisive. Like some people aren't so happy 90 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:14,800 about it. Or they're like, what's going 91 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,280 on? Oh yeah, I really. 92 00:05:16,280 --> 00:05:18,360 I really like it. You know what? 93 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,200 I feel like boys don't like it for some reason. 94 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,680 I told my boyfriend like, Oh my God, I'm obsessed. 95 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,440 And I thought for some reason I thought he would be too. 96 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:30,800 And he was like, I hate it. And then his roommate also 97 00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:33,560 hates. I love it. 98 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,880 Me too. Saint Texas. 99 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,600 I think that's a good move for her. 100 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,720 I'm, I'm excited. Yeah, it's and it's like very 101 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,000 soulful. I love it. 102 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,560 And Lana's going country too, so it's it'll be interesting. 103 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,600 What like I don't know. What's going on? 104 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,680 I know. I wonder if Taylor Swift's going 105 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,800 to come crawling back. She's like, wait a second. 106 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,120 Yeah, that was my thing. Everybody's going back to 107 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:58,720 country, OK? Me too. 108 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,120 I bet. Yeah, I I wouldn't be surprised. 109 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,960 But anyway, yeah. She was born in Texas, Houston, 110 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:12,600 TX and she has a sister, younger sister Solange, who was born 111 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,040 five years after her. She grew up pretty wealthy in 112 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,200 Houston. Her dad, Matthew Knowles, was a 113 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,880 businessman. He was an executive for medical 114 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,200 sales at Xerox and he made six figures. 115 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,200 And her mom, Tina, owned a salon and they lived in like a really 116 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,480 nice part of town and mansion. And about her name because I've 117 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,000 always been curious but never looked into it. 118 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,680 Like, where does the name Beyoncé come from? 119 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,880 I thought it was interesting that her mother, Tina realized 120 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:38,680 that her family name, her maiden name? 121 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:42,400 Beyoncé. Well, Beyoncé, it's spelled 122 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:46,840 BEYINCE. It's French, was dying out. 123 00:06:46,840 --> 00:06:49,240 And she said, oh God, we'll run out of Beyoncé's. 124 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,120 So she gave her daughter Beyoncé a variant of her maiden name, 125 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,080 which I think is cool. That's really cool and wow, like 126 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,320 that. That's really gonna live on now. 127 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,760 Yeah, seriously. Beyoncé sang and dance from an 128 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,000 early age, as a lot of people do that we talk about on the show, 129 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,120 and she first started getting really serious about it around 130 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,880 age 10. Her father, Matthew Knowles, 131 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,960 knew she could be a star and started coaching her. 132 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,800 He got really intense about it. He would make her run a mile in 133 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,080 the morning while singing to build up her ability to sing and 134 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,400 dance at the same time. And that's crazy. 135 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:30,600 He ended becoming her manager and he was so intense about 136 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,760 this, you know, like practice every day, practice for hours, 137 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,040 singing and dancing. And she and a bunch of other 138 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,920 girls in the area formed a group called Girls Time. 139 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,680 And they would sing and dance just at local places, even like 140 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,400 at the moms salon. Kind of reminds me of, no, 141 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,360 remember that group that we used to see? 142 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,360 Oh, Girl Authority, Stage Girl Authority. 143 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,520 Yeah, they would sing and dance and yeah, that's. 144 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,040 My wow. That's my wow, you guys. 145 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,240 Don't get the reference, but they were kind of like that, 146 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:05,880 yeah? Oh, that's cute. 147 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:07,920 And there. Were a lot of different rotating 148 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,760 members and there were a lot of girls. 149 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:16,560 But this group eventually became Destiny's Child later on. 150 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:22,240 And actually Kelly Rowland was there from the early days, but 151 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,200 there were a lot of different rotating members and her dad, 152 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,160 Matthew Knowles was super into it. 153 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,760 He actually quit his job. Weight lost my place. 154 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,799 I'm like going off memory, but I lost my place right now. 155 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:40,080 He quit his job to take classes in music management and made it 156 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,280 his full time job basically to get Destiny's Child record deal 157 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,520 and to like he was so invested. Paid off. 158 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,760 Yeah, it did. I was wondering why wasn't 159 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,160 Solange in Destiny's Child? Yeah, that's great question. 160 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:57,640 She's a singer too. Well, was she too young? 161 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,040 She might have been. I think she was probably too 162 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,240 young and I guess she was a backup dancer for them 163 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,840 sometimes, but according to Matthew Knowles, even from a 164 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,360 young age, Solange didn't want to do it, didn't want to be part 165 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,520 of it and wanted to do her own thing, he said. 166 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,680 Many of you aren't aware, but I personally wanted Solange to be 167 00:09:14,680 --> 00:09:17,520 in Destiny's Child. That didn't appeal to her, just 168 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,240 kind of crazy that she would turn that down. 169 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,200 But I can't almost. She seems independent and I can 170 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,600 almost see her being like, no, I don't want to be with my sister 171 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,040 and her friends like I'm doing my own thing. 172 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,720 Yeah, I feel like that's such a younger sibling thing too. 173 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:35,040 Like, I like purposely not wanting to do something that 174 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,720 your older siblings are doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 175 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,200 Matthew Knowles was really overbearing and caused a lot of 176 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,680 issues with the Destiny child girls and apparently he wanted 177 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:48,320 Beyoncé to be the lightest skinned girl in the group so he 178 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,800 would make the other girls tan. Wait, that's terrible. 179 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,800 I know. And it led his behavior and it 180 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,680 LED, led to some of the members quitting like Latavia Roberson 181 00:09:58,680 --> 00:10:01,120 and Latoya Luckett and Farrah Franklin. 182 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:06,160 They all overtime quit and then it ended up with the final three 183 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,920 that we know today, which is Kelly Rowland, Michelle Williams 184 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:13,000 and Beyoncé. And they had a lot of hit songs 185 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:18,520 like Survivor, Say My Name, Say My Name, Yes, yes, yes. 186 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,800 Yeah. They were really, really big. 187 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,600 But Beyoncé was kind of always, I think, the star or like the 188 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,960 strongest singer of Destiny Child. 189 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,280 And she has acknowledged that she's a workaholic and very 190 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,360 competitive with herself and a bit of a bit of a perfectionist, 191 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,960 but she also seems very warm and fun. 192 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,160 It's so weird. But she does remind me of Taylor 193 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,160 Swift. Oh yeah, I see a lot of 194 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,240 similarities. And I do think they, I mean they 195 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:50,600 are two of the biggest stars today and I just, I see that. 196 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,720 I feel like they are so meticulous about their career 197 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,760 and yeah, very competitive with themselves, you know, always 198 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,600 wanting to be better and and there's more similarities that 199 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,320 will come up, but. I would say they're both like at 200 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:07,160 the same level, like very few people can probably relate to 201 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,280 that level of fame, but Beyoncé seems a little bit more 202 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,400 unattainable. I feel like Beyoncé she very 203 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:15,960 much. Holds back, Yes. 204 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:20,040 I feel like Beyoncé when she was younger was a little bit more 205 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,160 down to earth. Like she would do talk shows, 206 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:23,360 she would do interviews, you know. 207 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:29,200 But now she really doesn't really only ever see her through 208 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,480 her music or like official photo shoots. 209 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,560 You know, It's very professional. 210 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,440 Yeah. It's almost like she's in the 211 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,200 Royal family or something. It's just like very polished. 212 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,120 Oh yeah, I can't picture her like. 213 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,160 In her own way. On a late night talk show. 214 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:50,560 I know before Jay-Z, she apparently dated the R&B singer 215 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,320 Marquis Houston for a little bit. 216 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:58,520 And as a teenager, she dated a guy named Lyndall Locke for six 217 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,880 years. Oh, well, OK, so I I always 218 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,880 thought she didn't date anybody before Jay-Z. 219 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,880 She kind of, well, I'll get into this later, but I think that 220 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,640 that other guy, that R and BR and B singer, I don't think that 221 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,720 that was a very long thing at all. 222 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,920 And then her other boyfriend, they were together for six 223 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,720 years, but I mean, they were super young, like literally in 224 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,800 high school. So that's basically it. 225 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,040 Where is Jay-Z about to get to him? 226 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:29,520 His list of who he dated before Beyoncé is too long. 227 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,240 I can't even read them all. Was he married before? 228 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,040 He wasn't married before. OK, that's good at least. 229 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,920 But he was older, so you know, it's understandable that. 230 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:39,480 He. Dated a lot of people. 231 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,920 OK, so who's Jay-Z? Oh my God. 232 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:47,640 He has quite a story. He was born Sean Corey Parker, 233 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,600 born December 4th, 1969 in Brooklyn, NY. 234 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,880 So he is 12 years older than Beyoncé. 235 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,040 Oh, but they're both born on the 4th, right? 236 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,720 Interesting. That's true. 237 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:05,880 He grew up in the Marcy House Projects in Bed Stuy, and he has 238 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:10,240 three siblings, and his father actually abandoned them, sadly. 239 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,160 And he's pretty young, leaving his mother, Gloria, a single 240 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,000 mother. How old? 241 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:16,640 How much older did you say he is? 242 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,240 He's 12 years older than Beyoncé. 243 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:21,400 Not crazy. Yeah. 244 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,480 Later in life, him and his father did reconnect before his 245 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,960 father died in 2003. So very intense. 246 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:33,120 He had a really tough life. Like seriously, the ultimate 247 00:13:33,560 --> 00:13:38,280 rags to riches story. It's kind of incredible. 248 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,200 I mean, he was living in the projects. 249 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:44,480 He was really poor. There was crime all around him. 250 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,560 He apparently shot his brother when he was 12 years old by 251 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,800 accident. I know, I I think it wasn't by 252 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:56,760 accident, but he was a kid so. OK. 253 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:01,080 We'll let it slide, you know. I know, and he has said, talking 254 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,080 about the incident. He said guns were everywhere in 255 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,440 his life and when he was only like in high school, I think he 256 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,400 started dealing crack cocaine and he dropped out of high 257 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:15,120 school sophomore year. I know he got really good at 258 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:19,160 being a drug dealer and he was super organized and he was 259 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:20,720 literally a drug dealer. Like, it's out and open. 260 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,520 People know this. He was super organized about it 261 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,000 and made a legit business out of this and made a lot of money. 262 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:32,400 So like, even before he became a successful rapper, he was doing 263 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,920 pretty well from himself just being a drug dealer. 264 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:36,920 But there there was a lot of crime. 265 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,120 I mean, guys don't get involved with organized crime because 266 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,680 there's a lot of problems that follow you. 267 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,560 He apparently got shot a couple times. 268 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:46,800 Oh my God. During this time in his life, I 269 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:52,280 know, but you know, he was also writing poetry, letting out his 270 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,760 feelings. He started sending, setting it 271 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,760 to music, making beats, and he would read the dictionary to 272 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,960 learn new words. And people were really impressed 273 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,000 by him, impressed that he knew all these words. 274 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,400 And he started doing rap battles around Brooklyn in the late 80s 275 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:13,240 and early 90s, and he battled LL Cool J, apparently. 276 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:15,800 And then I was wondering about his name. 277 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,920 So when I lived in Bushwick, I remember having this, like, 278 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:24,400 revelation on the train station because I lived on the J train 279 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,840 and the express train is Z. So there's JZ. 280 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:33,320 Yeah, right next to each other. And he lived at, you know, by 281 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:39,640 the Marcy Myrtle stop, basically like he he took the JZ train. 282 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:41,800 So I was like, Oh my God, this must be where he got his name 283 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:47,080 from, But apparently not what I know, I guess. 284 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:51,320 I guess he was named known as Jazzy around the neighborhood, 285 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:58,320 and he adopted the name Jay-Z to pay homage to his mentor, Jazzo. 286 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,280 I still feel like there must be some kind of subconscious 287 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,640 influence from the subway station and the train, but 288 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:08,360 whatever. I know. 289 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,280 I was so excited when I I said, Oh my God, that must be where 290 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,520 it's from. Nope. 291 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,720 But yeah. His first official rap single in 292 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:22,880 my lifetime came out in 1995, and he made his own CD's and 293 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,760 sold them out of his car. And he was having trouble 294 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,040 getting a record deal with a major label. 295 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:34,000 So him and his friends Dame Dash and Kareem Biggs Burke created 296 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:37,560 Rockefeller Records as an independent label, and he 297 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,920 released his first album in 1996. 298 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,960 Reasonable Doubt and it reached 23 on the billboards. 299 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,080 So you know, not not number one hit right away or anything, but 300 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,800 pretty good for just being like an independent label and had the 301 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,840 songs Can't Knock The Hustle and Brooklyn's Finest, which maybe 302 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,600 some of you guys have heard of. And then his career steadily 303 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,560 went up from there. His next album set songs like 304 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:06,880 Can I get a Don't wanna Like, Can I get AI? 305 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:08,599 Really. Everybody knows that song now. 306 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,280 Yeah, in 1999. This was crazy to me. 307 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:20,720 He apparently stabbed record executive Lance and Riviera who 308 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,839 was behind bootlegging his third album. 309 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,760 So I guess this guy had been selling Jay-Z album. 310 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,880 You know, this is before streaming and online sales. 311 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,280 This is all like CDs. He was selling Jay-Z record 312 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,200 illegally and profiting off of it. 313 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:40,920 And there's reports that Jay-Z stabbed him during an album 314 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:45,040 release party for Q-tip and Jay-Z surrendered to the police 315 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,080 and was placed under arrest. But then he was released on 316 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,600 bail. And then when he was indicted in 317 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,560 court, he pleaded not guilty. And then him and his lawyers 318 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,720 contended that they had witnesses and videotapes proving 319 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,240 he was nowhere near Riviera during the incident and then 320 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:03,760 late. And a lot of people said he was 321 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,080 actually nowhere near him. He didn't do it. 322 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:13,760 And then later he pleaded guilty to it, and he even admitted in 323 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,720 his memoir that he did it. But weirdly, in 2023, the guy 324 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,920 that he apparently stabbed said that Jay-Z lied and that he 325 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,520 wasn't the one that stabbed him and said no, Jay was not the guy 326 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,240 that actually stabbed me. It's never been his history. 327 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:31,720 Why would he admit to it then? I don't know. 328 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,680 What is the motivation that is so odd? 329 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,560 Hey, would that be a deal breaker for you? 330 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,320 Yes. Yeah, I don't think I could 331 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:40,160 start. What about you? 332 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,960 Yeah, I don't think I would start a relationship with 333 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,240 someone if they had been arrested or accused of stabbing 334 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,600 someone. Yes, it's so weird even either 335 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,120 he did do it and people are trying to cover for him for 336 00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:55,320 some, but it's just weird that he that he himself admitted it 337 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,480 while other people are trying to say he didn't. 338 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:02,240 Is he covered for someone? Or maybe he thinks it looks good 339 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,360 for his image or something, that he's to have somebody. 340 00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:08,000 That's. So, you know, like for his. 341 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,600 Story. Yeah, for his. 342 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,120 I don't think it does look good for his image. 343 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:14,200 I mean, I never. Heard. 344 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,040 I mean, this is, this is early in his career when his whole 345 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,360 thing is like, I'm from the streets. 346 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,240 Oh, true. Like, I don't know. 347 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,080 I mean, maybe I'm maybe I'm just pulling the strings here, but I 348 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,280 just don't get this whole story. It's so crazy if someone stabs 349 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,080 someone like that now, like if their career would just be a 350 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:32,880 non. Starter like that is like I 351 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,480 know. How do you come back from that? 352 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:35,920 I know. Wow. 353 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,520 If he did do it, that would make me fearful that he has, like 354 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:44,440 anger management problems. Yeah, like to stab someone that 355 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,360 is, that's, like, sick. I know what are you. 356 00:19:47,360 --> 00:19:49,800 Capable of if you can do that. Yeah, it is. 357 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:54,320 Concerning Anatomy of a Stab, What happened? 358 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,640 I don't know. Luckily the guy was OK OK, so 359 00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:02,160 that makes a huge difference. It does. 360 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,240 It does make a huge difference. Weirdly, his album The Blueprint 361 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,400 came out on September 11th, 2001. 362 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,280 Oh my. God, that's a terrible day for 363 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,280 it to come out. Yeah, terrible. 364 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:18,640 Must have been really, you know, not getting a lot of publicity, 365 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,000 but it was still pretty successful. 366 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,720 It has that song on it, Izzo, which is like H to the Izzo, B 367 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,040 to the essay. I was realizing like, well, 368 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,480 'cause I I'll admit, guys, I don't really listen to Jay-Z 369 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,040 music, but I was realizing from this, this episode that I know a 370 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,560 lot of his songs, actually, they're just some of them are 371 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,880 iconic. Later on, his song 99 Problems. 372 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:46,920 I mean that's just become a saying in English language. 373 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:51,040 I've got 99 problems, but a bitch ain't one or or but a but 374 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,240 a blank ain't one. You can just insert whatever you 375 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,360 want to say, you know, And I'm first, I didn't mind, you know 376 00:20:57,360 --> 00:21:01,320 that's a New York iconic New York song now. 377 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,960 But yeah, his image became very much someone from the streets 378 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:09,680 who rose above and then became this like classy, self-made 379 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,240 businessman that really started to become his thing, like in the 380 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,920 2000s. And yeah, he actually had a lot 381 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,440 of feuds with business partners and such and people with the 382 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,000 labels earlier in his career and kind of throughout his career. 383 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:28,640 And early in early 2000s, he had a retirement show where he said 384 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,520 he was no longer going to make music. 385 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,560 And the first part of the show, he was in a T-shirt and jeans, 386 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,880 and the second-half he was, I think, in a tuxedo, just showing 387 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,640 like his new self. You know, he's like this classy 388 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,440 Gatsby guy now. But he did come back. 389 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,600 He came back with more music. I hate when people do that. 390 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:52,200 But yeah, not only is Jay-Z a rapper, he is also a businessman 391 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,440 and it's and so is Beyoncé. And it's just kind of crazy to 392 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,680 me how many business ventures he has. 393 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,800 Like he started this Roca Wear clothing company, hit an 394 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:09,240 endorsement with Reebok. He invested in Armand de Bernat 395 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,120 Champagne. He was the Co brand director of 396 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:15,680 Budweiser Select. He purchased a media company, a 397 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,480 Spiro. He started Tidal Music Company. 398 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,000 Oh wow. He invested in an app called Jet 399 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,520 Smarter. He was the president of Def Jam 400 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,720 Records. He was part owner of the New 401 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,760 Jersey and then the Brooklyn Nets for 10 years. 402 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,320 He had a media company called Life and Times. 403 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,440 He owned the 4040 club in several cities. 404 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,720 He launched his own cigars. He started Roc Nation. 405 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,320 He is recently planning to build a casino in Times Square. 406 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,760 I guess he does a lot. It's insane. 407 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,640 But they, Beyoncé and Jay-Z, I'm jumping ahead. 408 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,960 They're they're not together yet in the story, but they have done 409 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,880 a lot of philanthropic work too. They have donated lots and lots 410 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,520 of money too. So sometimes it is kind of 411 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,600 staggering to me, like how much wealth they have. 412 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,440 They really do. There's a lot of them, you know, 413 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,600 flying around in jets and being in helicopters and, you know, 414 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,760 all these lavish vacations. But they have donated a lot of 415 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,200 it too. But yeah, since this is going to 416 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,120 be a long episode, I feel like this is kind of like the 417 00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:18,960 episodes we've had for Presidents or Royals. 418 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,480 Like I can't get into every single musical or business thing 419 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,920 that happened. Yeah, there's no. 420 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,000 But I'll mention it if it's really important, But you can 421 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,720 just assume throughout this whole relationship story that 422 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,440 they're in the studio, they're recording, they're shooting 423 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,880 music videos, they're going to business meetings, you know, 424 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,720 Jay's in the conference room on the phone and all that stuff. 425 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,120 But as a person, to me, he seems, I think he can open up 426 00:23:44,120 --> 00:23:47,520 and have fun. He seems like he's really 427 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,680 selective with who he opens up to. 428 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,960 And I watched some injuries with him and I was kind of surprised 429 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,680 that he seemed kind of shy, not exactly shy, but just that he 430 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,640 didn't really open up and would answer very simply and he'd kind 431 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,400 of joke around. But he's very guarded, he seems. 432 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,960 Yeah, he seems pretty serious sometimes too. 433 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:12,240 So I feel like Beyoncé has this warmth about her that definitely 434 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,480 compliments him. But before Beyoncé, he 435 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,800 purportedly dated. I thought that was interesting. 436 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,480 A woman named Blue Cantrell, a singer? 437 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,880 Oh, Blue. Just weird, yeah? 438 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:29,520 Smells odd. I know and also dated the model 439 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,600 Chanel Scott. Actress Rosario Dawson possibly 440 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:38,280 dated the singer Aaliyah, maybe Lil' Kim and a lot more women. 441 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,840 But your child? The same name as an X? 442 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:44,840 It's. But also it's not like it's a 443 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,240 common name. That's crazy. 444 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,800 Imagine being his ex blue. Be like what? 445 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,320 I know it is a compliment, I guess. 446 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,840 It is. She did spell it without the E 447 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,440 Oh, OK, but still, that's that's blue. 448 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,080 I think that was just like a stylistic choice. 449 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:04,840 Anyway, how did they meet? What the heck? 450 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,960 They met in 2000. Beyoncé and Jay-Z say they met 451 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,160 when she was 18 but started dating when she was 19. 452 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,200 He was older. He's 12 years older, so he would 453 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,800 have been 32 or so. She's kind of crazy and a lot of 454 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,920 people debate how old she really was when they met. 455 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,120 Some people think maybe they met earlier when she was even 456 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:27,600 younger, but they don't want people to know that. 457 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,840 I don't know. That's just speculation. 458 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,120 The official story that people tell is that they met sitting on 459 00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:38,840 a plane together heading to the MTV Spring Break festival in 460 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,000 2000, and she told Oprah. We were friends for a year and a 461 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,760 half before we went on any dates. 462 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,240 We were on the phone for a year and a half, and that foundation 463 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,760 is so important for a relationship. 464 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,680 Just to have someone who who you just like is so important and 465 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,320 someone who is honest. So I guess I met and according 466 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,000 to Beyoncé, they talked on the phone for a year and a half but 467 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,280 didn't date yet. It is very young. 468 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,160 She's like 18 years. Old. 469 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,200 It's really young, I know. And then in October 2000, 470 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,160 Beyoncé signed a deal for a solo solo record. 471 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:20,800 So this is the start of her solo career until she is today. 472 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:26,760 And so I put this as 2002, not in 2001 or 2002. 473 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,400 But Fiance said that, you know, they didn't go on a real date 474 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,200 for a year and a half and they went on their first date at the 475 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,280 Nobu restaurant that celebrities love. 476 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:43,160 And Daisy actually talked about their first date in his song, 477 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,320 Seven. Well, I think it's their song. 478 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,480 Later in life they have like joint album, their song 713. 479 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,720 And he said you came back. I let you set the date Nobu on 480 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,240 the plate. I brought my dude to play it 481 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,680 cool. My first foolish mistake. 482 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:03,000 He brought a friend. Yeah, that's that's not cool. 483 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:11,200 So Elvis, not a date. Someone brings her friend and 484 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:16,360 says, oh, it's not a date. It's kind of. 485 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,920 It could be cute. Like, maybe he's nervous, but I 486 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,920 I know. I think if you were actually 487 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,520 there, you would be kind of weirded out. 488 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,680 Also, you've already been talking for a year and a half. 489 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,360 I think if you just met like I I think it is nice if like you 490 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:31,600 meet someone casually in a bar and then you're like, I don't 491 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:32,840 really remember what they look like. 492 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,880 I don't remember what they were like. 493 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,040 Like, yeah, you bring your friend, I'll bring my friend and 494 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,680 we'll just hang out. But like that's true. 495 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:39,800 They know each other. It's a. 496 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,040 Fancy restaurant like your friend is sitting in the booth 497 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,000 with us. That's. 498 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,560 Odd, I know. Weird. 499 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:50,040 I guess it didn't faze her that much, because then that same 500 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,760 year, in October, they collaborated for their song 03 501 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,040 Bonnie and Clyde on Jay's album, and now the public didn't know 502 00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:02,240 yet if they were dating. They thought this might be just 503 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,280 a musical thing. Yeah, and I didn't know this, 504 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,560 but I think that that song might be a reference to an Eminem 505 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,040 song, which is called 97 Bonnie and Clyde. 506 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:15,120 Oh, gaining some rap knowledge, apparently. 507 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,480 I don't know if this is I found this in a really old article. 508 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,960 I don't know if it's true because the picture was kind of 509 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,320 weird, but I read an article that said that Beyoncé had a 510 00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:28,080 self designed Italian charm bracelet made that featured a 511 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:34,320 Bee Heart J Oh that's cute. Maybe, maybe not 2003. 512 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,680 Once again, people still don't really know what's going on with 513 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,000 them. But then they released the song 514 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,280 Crazy and Love Together, which is on her album, and they won a 515 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,760 Grammy for Best R&B Song and Best Best Rap Slash Song 516 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:53,120 collaboration in 2004. And at this point, people didn't 517 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,400 know they're together. But the song was a hit. 518 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:02,360 Rolling Stone that year put it as #118 on the 500 best songs of 519 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,040 All Time, which I thought was pretty high and impressive for a 520 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,000 brand new song. Like a song that came up that 521 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:12,240 year. There's Yeah is the 118th Best 522 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,880 Song of all time, and today they have it as #16, as the best. 523 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,640 Song of all time. I mean, it is a great song. 524 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,400 It is a great song. I mean the the list is really 525 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,480 subjective. I don't. 526 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,400 I don't agree with everything on the list, but it is a really 527 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,760 good song. And like I love variations of it 528 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:28,760 too. Me too. 529 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,040 Slowed down version of it so good. 530 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,080 I love The Great Gatsby. One Oh, yeah, and you know. 531 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,280 What? I didn't know that Jay-Z was a 532 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,520 producer of The Great Gatsby. Oh, interesting. 2013 movie. 533 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,960 Wow, he's everywhere. Makes sense. 534 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,520 Yeah, he is. Everywhere. 535 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,520 He's a Gatsby type too, like you said. 536 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,640 Can see why people accused him of being in the Illuminati. 537 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,440 He's controlling everything. But yeah, they continue to be 538 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,760 featured on more songs together over the years, including Deja 539 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,600 Vu and Upgrade You on her B-day album. 540 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,760 And then she was on his song Hollywood In 2004, Rolling Stone 541 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,640 asked her about her and Jay's relationship and she said, I 542 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,320 don't say I'm single. People are like, why does she 543 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,640 say that? They're just friends. 544 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,560 I don't say that. I just don't talk about it. 545 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,320 I just want to protect my private life. 546 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,640 And then she wanted to say in relationships, I think a lot 547 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,640 like a guy, if I do something wrong, I don't get emotional. 548 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,920 I think about it and I change it and fix it. 549 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,360 I've always been very logical, but then she says when I do 550 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,960 anything, I do it. If I fall in love, I'm there. 551 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,680 And she said she'd like to have children one day and said if it 552 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,320 was a perfect world I would have two boys and a girl. 553 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,640 I love little boys and girls are so much drama. 554 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,160 OK, there was a lot of internalized misogyny in what 555 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,720 she was saying. There no shades of Beyoncé. 556 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,800 But it was younger. Being a younger time. 557 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,320 She's grown up. Yeah. 558 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,600 Oh, I don't think she'd ever say that now. 559 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:03,640 No, no, no. But that just shows how toxic 560 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,840 society is. Telling you to be strong, you 561 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,320 have to be like a guy, yeah. I know. 562 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:14,800 And OK, I don't get emotional, Jay-Z stabbed somebody, but 563 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:20,680 allegedly because he was upset, so I think a little crying isn't 564 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,480 too bad. I know it's interesting, but I I 565 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,600 do think that she, whether that's all true or not, I don't 566 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,120 know. But she definitely does. 567 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,440 Like when she has her sights on something, she goes for it. 568 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:40,080 And maybe she does put up with some things just because it is 569 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,280 maybe for the greater good of her, you know what she wants. 570 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,000 Or I don't know. But I do. 571 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,520 Unfortunately. As powerful as Beyoncé is, it's 572 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,680 sad 'cause I get I've gotten the sense maybe we'll see otherwise, 573 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,920 that she's a little submissive in this relationship. 574 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,640 Yeah, I would agree with that. It's very interesting. 575 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,800 You see that a lot with really powerful people. 576 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,280 Yeah. That in their private life, 577 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,600 they're actually letting somebody else kind of rule them. 578 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,280 I don't, I don't know, I feel like this has happened so many 579 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:14,040 times, like Tina Turner or there's been a lot of women that 580 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:18,280 are just so amazing and you would think just have it all. 581 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,920 But I mean, I don't we'll get into it, but I see what you're 582 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,320 saying. She in the article it said that 583 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,560 even though she was kind of avoiding talking about him that 584 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:34,960 she kept saying the phrase we to obviously mean her and Jay-Z. 585 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:39,320 And the journalist asked where she was during the blackout of 586 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,480 2003 in New York, when the whole city lost power, and she said we 587 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,400 were at the 4040 club, which is Day's. 588 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,000 Club. And she said there was a 589 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,160 generator, so the party never stopped. 590 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,280 Well, she didn't say that, but there was a generator, so the 591 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,200 party never stopped. And then she said at 4:00 AM we 592 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,560 took a plane to Italy, we got to Rome and they had a blackout 593 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:00,920 there. Oh wow. 594 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,720 All of them. That's crazy that they just did 595 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,640 that though. Like I had the club and then 596 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,920 4:00 AM we flew to Italy. Oh my gosh. 597 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,720 Yeah. Like these people are not very 598 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,840 relatable. No, not at all. 599 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,000 I mean, there will always be some human things that are 600 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:25,320 relatable, but that aspect, no. In 2005 this was sad. 601 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,320 Just something that, you know, keep in mind what's going on 602 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,480 with them. Jay's 18 year old nephew, nephew 603 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,400 Kalique, died in a car crash and he was actually in a car that 604 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,360 Jay had bought him for his graduation. 605 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,960 That's kind of sad. That's really sad, which is 606 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,200 really sad. And Jay-Z had made many 607 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,520 references to his nephews and his songs and he had said that I 608 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,880 carry my nephews like my sons always have and they have filled 609 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,000 that void for me. So that's that's really sad. 610 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,920 Must have been hard also in 2005. 611 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,800 This is the start of some rumours in the press because 612 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:07,800 Rihanna is coming onto the scene and Jay-Z was the one that got 613 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,360 her signed to Jeff de Def Jam records, which he was now the 614 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,679 president of. And there were a lot of rumours 615 00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:17,080 about him cheating on Beyoncé with Rihanna. 616 00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:19,719 Oh, wow. And a lot of publications 617 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,800 pitting them against each other. And these rumors have gone on 618 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,440 for a really long time and I don't really know what to make 619 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,360 of them. You know, I don't have to be 620 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:29,840 real with. You. 621 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:30,719 I don't. Yeah. 622 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,440 I don't know if people are just saying that because they're like 623 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,040 two of the biggest stars. I don't know. 624 00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:38,960 But this I'll get back to this later. 625 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,400 So basically, Rihanna's like, new on the scene. 626 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,560 He's helping her with her career, but supposedly 627 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,120 everything's still good with him and Beyoncé. 628 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:52,520 Also in 2005, there was this Fox article about Beyoncé taking 629 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,440 credit for things that aren't hers. 630 00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:58,000 And this is something that happens actually a lot with both 631 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,040 Beyoncé and Jay-Z over the years, over the decades, people 632 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,400 coming out to be like, actually I wrote that or I did that. 633 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,240 The article was about how Beyoncé did not write her big 634 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,080 hit Crazy in Love or even conceive of it. 635 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,760 It said that the horns progression chief melody overall 636 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,520 feel was written by the late and very great Eugene record of The 637 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,200 Chai Lights who died this summer, and that the person who 638 00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:27,400 sought out the track and put all together was Rich Harrison. 639 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,840 And he seemed just annoyed because Beyoncé had in another 640 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,640 articles talked about how she wrote Crazy in Love and made it 641 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,320 sound like she said Crazy in Love was really hard to write 642 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,360 because there was so much going on. 643 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,480 I mean, I had written what, 7-8 number one songs and with 644 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,120 Destiny's Child in a row? And then she said I knew the 645 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,480 song wasn't complete because the horns are so old school so they 646 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,720 needed Jay-Z rap. So this guy was just kind of 647 00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:56,680 annoyed that she was acting like she wrote the song and. 648 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,760 Yeah, giving no credit where credit is due. 649 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:03,040 And I mean, usually I think her songs do have credits to 650 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:08,880 writers, but she, she has written lyrics and I think 651 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,200 melodies and she has written songs. 652 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,040 But she does have a lot of people write for her. 653 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,440 But this is a kind of a routine thing that happens where she 654 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,480 takes all credit for it. And it's kind of crazy because 655 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,400 there's some songs that people think this will come up later 656 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,040 are about Jay-Z. But she didn't even write the 657 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,640 lyrics. Oh yeah. 658 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,920 So you can't always trust everything you hear in the 659 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,280 songs. I feel like people that often do 660 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,440 automatically assume whoever is singing the song wrote the song, 661 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,160 yes, and always assume it's still. 662 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,840 Biographical. She's still amazingly talented. 663 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,240 I mean, she's a singer. She's a performer. 664 00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:51,760 I mean, Elvis didn't write his own songs either, so it's no 665 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:56,880 shade, but it's just a reoccurring theme that people 666 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,920 come out of the woodwork to be like, hey, they stole my thing. 667 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,240 Like they're not acknowledging that I wrote this. 668 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:07,600 And yeah, it's a it's a theme 2006. 669 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,960 I'm going to skip this, not relevant 2007. 670 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,200 So they're still together and still dating 2007. 671 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:20,000 Rihanna's Song umbrella comes out which features Jay-Z and I 672 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,360 just mentioned that cause Rihanna's becoming even more of 673 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,680 a star people. The these rumors just keep 674 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,240 coming up. I don't know why people saying 675 00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:31,520 that Jay-Z cheated on cheated with Rihanna, but about three 676 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,720 months later, news comes out that Beyoncé and Jay-Z are 677 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:38,000 engaged if. You like it? 678 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:43,200 Then you should have put a ring. On it, The Associated Press 679 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,640 released that he popped the question during a trip to 680 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,200 Cannes, France. And of course she said yes. 681 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,800 And the article said that they were planning to marry in Hawaii 682 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,960 in the fall. That did not happen, but she 683 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,440 said I want to get married and really want a family once again. 684 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,280 She said in a perfect world to have two boys and a girl. 685 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,480 And she said, you know someone loves you by the way he treats 686 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,080 you and respects you. Me and Jay respect each other. 687 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:12,520 I feel like her second daughter. That would be awkward to hear. 688 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,480 He was like you. Know you keep saying you want 689 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:20,600 two boys and a girl. So. 690 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,520 Specific. Yeah, that same month they went 691 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,600 to a nude beach in France. But we're fully clothed, OK? 692 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,040 How? Crazy would that be to be on the 693 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,680 beach And you see them naked. I know they see you naked. 694 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:37,280 That's even. Crazier, I know. 695 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,600 I guess they were just checking it out. 696 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,080 I thought this was kind of funny. 697 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:45,320 There was this article from Entertainment Weekly by Bethany 698 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,040 Butler about how she was getting sick of Beyoncé and that she was 699 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,000 overexposed and that everybody was saying to the left, to the 700 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:59,320 left, and it was too much. Wow, she does have a lot of 701 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,360 iconic songs. She does. 702 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,400 That was a big song. Yeah, that's a song like 703 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,160 whenever I get my heart broken, I that song helps me. 704 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,440 It's. Just funny because like, girl, 705 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,760 this is just the beginning. I know. 706 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:17,600 For real December. Oh yeah, Once again there were 707 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,040 rumors about Jay-Z that he hooked up with Rihanna at a club 708 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,200 and Rihanna addressed this, she said to Allure magazine. 709 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,440 This is what really happened. He and my management, they have 710 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:29,920 each other's contact information. 711 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,360 I went to Pink Elephant, which is a club, and he came by all of 712 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,800 a sudden the next day I'm seeing that we were kissing and hugging 713 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,280 up each other. You can't even go out with a 714 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,680 friend who's a celebrity and have a good time without people 715 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,880 making shit up. Well, at least he's good 716 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,920 looking, right? Well, about. 717 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,680 Beyoncé add the good looking part. 718 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:55,160 I know what also he's not about. Yeah, you did not need to add 719 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,120 that. And then about Beyoncé, she said 720 00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,840 she's Beyoncé and I'm his new protege. 721 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,480 When we see each other, we say hi. 722 00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:04,280 We're not enemies, but we're not friend friends. 723 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:07,760 Re. I don't know if that helped. 724 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:13,160 None of that helps. I don't know. 725 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,040 We'll never know. But. 726 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:17,520 I just like while you're talking. 727 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,240 I googled like Rihanna and Beyoncé and they have posts 728 00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:22,720 together and like taking pictures together, so it seems 729 00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:27,400 like all must be OK. Yeah, must be but they. 730 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,280 Are contemporaries in many ways, like how could you avoid each 731 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:31,680 other for so? Long. 732 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:38,000 That's true. 2008 April 2008 They get married. 733 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,880 Congrats. They get married in a private 734 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,160 ceremony apparently held in Jay's Manhattan penthouse. 735 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,040 How? Gossip Girl of him. 736 00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:53,480 And they decorated the apartment with 70,000 orchids flown in 737 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,120 from Thailand for the event. Oh my God. 738 00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:00,040 At this point they've been together for eight years, so 739 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,040 that's a good amount of time. Wow. 740 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,160 Eight years. Yeah. 741 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,200 So she's still pretty. Young, so I guess she's like 26. 742 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,440 Wow. If I'm I'm just thinking off the 743 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,440 top of my head, Yeah, there. It was. 744 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,040 Very private. There were no photos sent to the 745 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,720 public. Nobody saw what this wedding 746 00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:20,000 looked like for a really long time. 747 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,440 Both the Destiny's Child ladies were there and Gwyneth Paltrow 748 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,400 was there too, because I guess her and Fiance are friends. 749 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,480 Oh, that's sweet. Wow, Gwyneth is kind of 750 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:34,080 everywhere too, isn't she? I know she's the new John Mayer. 751 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:39,080 I know every episode. Yeah, they had a no social media 752 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:44,680 policy and collected everybody's Blackberries because of 2008 and 753 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,400 so no photos were allowed. But in recent years pictures 754 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,560 have been released that they're pretty blurry. 755 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,920 So I think they were taken on Blackberries or something. 756 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,520 But now we've seen a couple pictures from it, and Jay did an 757 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,280 interview with Vibe and he was asked if they got married and he 758 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,720 said that's ridiculous for me to confirm. 759 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,840 I don't have. I'm going to say I think that's 760 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,440 a ridiculous question. I just think it's really part of 761 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,080 your life that you got to keep to yourself. 762 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,520 You have to, you'll go insane. In this type of business. 763 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,760 You have to have something that's scared sacred to you and 764 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,440 the people around you. I shared so much my life, my 765 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,880 childhood, my family, the death of my nephew with the world. 766 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:24,760 I should have something to hold on to. 767 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,600 You need something for your sanity to say OK, I could chill 768 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,360 out and this is it. If you got married, that's 769 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,400 pretty big though. I know. 770 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,160 Yeah. He he does seem kind of 771 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,120 emotional. It seems like an overreaction to 772 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,760 me being asked if you got married. 773 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,880 That's like that's like polite, like, oh, did you get married? 774 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,080 If so, I'll wish you congratulations. 775 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,160 Weird. Beyoncé and Jay shared that they 776 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,120 got matching tattoos of the Roman numeral 4 on their ring 777 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,320 finger, which is significant to them because they were both born 778 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,440 on the 4th. Oh yeah, her September 4th, him 779 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,520 December 4th. And they were married on April 780 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,560 4th, which is 444 is their number. 781 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,320 It's a good number. It's just one of you to me 782 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,480 because I'm not even like a Swifty, but it just makes me 783 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,240 think of two or so because like 13 is so her number and like 784 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,960 them, they use the number four a lot. 785 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,880 It's their thing. In May 2008, there was a news 786 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,960 article that said they were buying a house in Scarsdale, NY 787 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,360 and I didn't really even investigate this to see if it 788 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,120 was true. But there were so many articles 789 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,840 about the moving places and I think probably some of them are 790 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:35,680 true. I think they have many 791 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,680 properties. But I just wanted to ask you, 792 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,080 Mel, do you remember around this time in like 2008 or maybe even 793 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,040 later like 2011, there were all these fake articles that were 794 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,400 claiming that celebrities were moving to like Chelmsford or 795 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,200 Reading Mass. Do you remember that? 796 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,760 No, I don't actually, I. Remember, it was a thing. 797 00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:00,960 There were really all these fake articles of saying, oh, so and 798 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,800 so is moving to your hometown, and then there's like, these 799 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,880 fake quotes. And it'd be like a spam. 800 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,360 It'd be like these fake quotes saying that they wanted to get 801 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,440 away from Hollywood and they really like the town. 802 00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,800 And I remember people, like, totally falling for it. 803 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,480 I don't really get what the objective was, I guess just to 804 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,120 get clicks, but it just reminded me of that. 805 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,200 Yeah, that seems. If anybody else remembers that, 806 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:27,080 let me know. Yeah. 807 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,000 October 2008, Single Ladies is released. 808 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,880 Wow, what a song. The best music video of all 809 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,480 time. Of all time. 810 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,680 I mean, yeah, that song. It is a great music video, but 811 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,680 honestly I thought that was an overreaction on his part. 812 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,560 I mean, obviously it was an overreaction. 813 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,160 Yeah, but it was. It was. 814 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,520 Great music video, great dance, iconic. 815 00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:56,880 But it is just kind of like a dance in a room. 816 00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,440 It is. Maybe cut that out. 817 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:01,960 No, but I mean, it is Just Dance. 818 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,080 And then there I wasn't even going to mention this, but there 819 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,200 was some controversy about someone saying like that dance 820 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:12,080 was my choreography. It was iconic, though. 821 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,840 I mean, there was like that SNL spoof. 822 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,000 A lot of people were dressing up as IT and doing the dance. 823 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,480 Yeah, it was my friends and I actually. 824 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,400 Learned the dance. I ended up quitting before it 825 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:24,680 happened. We were going to do it in the 826 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,880 talent show, but yeah, this was part of her I am Sasha Fierce 827 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,400 album when she had an alter ego. Do you remember that? 828 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,680 I do remember. It yeah. 829 00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:40,280 So it was kind of like Beyoncé. She was herself, she was kind of 830 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,440 more of an R&B singer. And then there was this like 831 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,800 Sasha Fierce, who was her diva alter ego and was more pop. 832 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,200 And I think it only lasted for that album. 833 00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:55,560 And later on she just said that oh, Sasha Fierce is 834 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,320 uncomfortable just being that side of myself now. 835 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:00,720 I don't need Sasha Fierce anymore. 836 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,760 That's kind of a unique way to expand your brand. 837 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,640 Yeah, it was. It was November 2008. 838 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,680 She talked to 17 about what she's learned from her 839 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:15,600 relationship. Oh, seventeen. 840 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,960 I used to get that magazine. You too. 841 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,720 And she said that you learned, I guess probably that we're all 842 00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:23,440 human. I don't care if you're picture 843 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,840 perfect on every magazine cover and you're the most handsome, 844 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,120 successful, coolest guy. You still get sad and you still 845 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,320 get your feelings hurt and you still get confused and 846 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,000 vulnerable and nervous and scared. 847 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,440 You have to find a person. You can make it through the 848 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,960 tough times. With 2009, the couple attends 849 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,040 President Obama's inauguration and Beyoncé sings America the 850 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,680 Beautiful at the swearing in ceremony, which is a big moment 851 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,400 for them. And I mean a lot happened in 852 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,040 2009. But the only other thing I 853 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,920 included in this timeline that I thought was funny was that 854 00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,920 Beyoncé showed on her Tumblr, which what I didn't even know 855 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,040 she had Tumblr. She shared pictures of her 856 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,240 nails, which had her and Jay's faces paint on painted on. 857 00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:11,040 Wow. I know 2010. 858 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:16,680 I did not know this, but in 2010 a woman named Wanda Satterwhite, 859 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,800 I hope I said that right, claimed that Jay-Z was the 860 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:25,240 father of her son Rhymer, who was conceived in 1992. 861 00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:27,240 It would have been before Beyoncé. 862 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,200 But the kid? Was 18. 863 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,160 I know, Is it true? And she requested. 864 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,480 Well, she requested that Jay take a paternity test and he 865 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,240 refused. And she actually died a few 866 00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:44,920 years ago, which is sad, but to this day the son is fighting in 867 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,320 court to force him to take a paternity test. 868 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,800 Oh my God, why doesn't he just speak it? 869 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,480 I know. And can I say he does look a lot 870 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:54,880 like Jay's name. Does he? 871 00:47:54,880 --> 00:48:01,040 What's his name? Rhymer RYMIR And the last name 872 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:07,400 is like Satter SATTER satter. Wait, I probably said that so 873 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,040 wrong. Oh, he does look like Jay-Z. 874 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,040 I mean, yeah, why would he refuse if he was, like, 875 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,160 confident it wasn't his son? That's that terrible He's 876 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,400 refusing, though. What if that really is your son 877 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,160 and his own father abandoned him? 878 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,280 I know. And the kid said like he said, I 879 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:25,680 don't want anything from him. I. 880 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,400 Just like you want to know, you want. 881 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,320 Like that's that mystery your whole life hanging over you. 882 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,440 And you have to see, OK, Jay-Z could be your father. 883 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,400 You have to see images of him all the time. 884 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,480 Like, you probably just want that closure. 885 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,320 Like OK. And if he is his father, that's 886 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,000 messed up. But he, I don't know. 887 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,440 I I don't really know what people usually do in these 888 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,160 situations. I feel like it does kind of 889 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:53,400 happen to celebrities a lot. But just take that test if 890 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,400 you're if you're positive it's not your kid, then. 891 00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,000 It seems like he's not positive. I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm pretty 892 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,800 positive he is the father. Yeah, there are a lot of groups 893 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,640 out there that, I mean, I don't know why this has anything to do 894 00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,840 with their advocacy or charity or whatever, but they say that 895 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,720 his denial is like proof that he is the father. 896 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:18,040 Oh, totally the groups about this specifically. 897 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:22,960 No, It's like, because I think it's a New Jersey thing that you 898 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:28,760 have to pay child support, you have to take a test, and if you 899 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,600 don't, then you have to pay child support. 900 00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,800 And I think that they're from New Jersey. 901 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,880 And so they're saying that, like, his refusal means that he 902 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,080 is the father basically, like, legally until he takes the test. 903 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:42,880 Interest. Oh, interesting. 904 00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,840 I mean, hey, I mean, I just think it's also shitty because 905 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,520 women could never have sex with someone and then get pregnant 906 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:53,440 and wipe their hands of it with, like, no repercussions. 907 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,280 Like the fact that, like, he could just knock somebody up. 908 00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,480 She goes through a pregnancy, she raises a child and he just 909 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,400 like acts like it has nothing to do with him. 910 00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:05,840 If that's the case, like I think that shows his character too. 911 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,640 I'm not really a huge fan so far. 912 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,040 That's pretty bad. What does she think of all this? 913 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,720 I would, I honestly, if someone said you're the father, 914 00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:21,520 especially if it's before I met them, but also if it was during 915 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,920 I met them too, Like I would be like take the test. 916 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,720 Like I don't. I don't want to be questioning 917 00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:30,000 that the rest of my life either. I don't understand what she 918 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,600 thinks about this. I don't know. 919 00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:35,400 Sometimes I I I mean, we don't know them. 920 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,240 And I try to speculate as much as I can and like research, but 921 00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:40,000 you can't really. You can't find out everything. 922 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:45,040 But in 2011, according to Glamour magazine, Fiance made it 923 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,880 sound like Jay-Z was possibly the only man she'd ever been 924 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,840 with. You know, like people would be 925 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,480 surprised as the lack of my experiences I've had. 926 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,480 When I was 12 or 13, I had my first boyfriend, and he was my 927 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,600 boyfriend until I was 17. At that age, that was a long 928 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,600 time. I've always been very loyal and 929 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,440 a little more mature. I was too young for it to really 930 00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,640 be a for it to really be a boyfriend. 931 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,720 We didn't live together. We didn't, you know, That was my 932 00:51:11,720 --> 00:51:14,400 only experience with a guy. And since then, I've only had 933 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,440 one other boyfriend in my life, Jay. 934 00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,560 Oh, I mean very well. Could be the only man she's ever 935 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:21,000 been with. I know. 936 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,920 That's crazy. That is crazy. 937 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,600 Wow. It's for one of the biggest 938 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:27,640 stars of all time. I. 939 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,120 Know. That's like that's honestly a. 940 00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,360 Fiance. Like, that's like, pretty 941 00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,040 impressive. I know around this time, 942 00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,200 interestingly, she was working with Clint Eastwood on the 943 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,720 remake of A Star Is Born, but we know that he didn't end up 944 00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:45,560 directing it and she ended up not being an incident. 945 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,400 Gaga was, But it's just funny how much projects can change. 946 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,440 I know that. Would have been interesting. 947 00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,080 I should mention I haven't even talked about it, but she has 948 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,280 acted too. She's been in several films, 949 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,920 like she was in Austin Powers, she was in Obsessed, some other 950 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:06,280 things. Also in 2011, the couple 951 00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:11,000 revealed that they were expecting their first child at 952 00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:16,960 the MTVVMAS in Los Angeles. Beyoncé was performing and she 953 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,280 wore an outfit or she came out and like rubbed her stomach 954 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,000 while she was singing Love on Top. 955 00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,600 And she said I want you to stand up on your feet, I want you to 956 00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,640 feel the love that's going inside of me. 957 00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:32,600 And people lost their minds. People were freaking out. 958 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,880 I feel like this is the time when people like Beyoncé 959 00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,400 suddenly was like, oh, I got Beyoncé. 960 00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:44,760 This is when she started moving into and upper level of stardom 961 00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:48,960 and like maybe they did a Beyoncé Glee episode and yes, 962 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:54,040 suddenly she was huge. I definitely feel like from this 963 00:52:54,040 --> 00:53:00,800 time to maybe through 2014 or maybe even to 2016, Beyoncé was 964 00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:04,480 huge. The fandom was fierce. 965 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,640 Like it was not safe to say that you didn't like Beyoncé. 966 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,320 No. And sometimes that pushes people 967 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:11,680 away, though. Like, yeah. 968 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,200 OK. It was intense, yeah. 969 00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:18,000 I feel like it's chilled out recently, but. 970 00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:21,920 Because I the way Taylor Swift fans are way scarier than 971 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,920 Beyoncé fans. I feel like the way Taylor Swift 972 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:30,200 has been in 2023, that's what it was like with Beyoncé around 973 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,920 this time. It was, it was intense. 974 00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,560 There was there was a controversy around her 975 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,240 pregnancy. I remember. 976 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:42,600 She was on an Australian talk show called Sunday night and she 977 00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,960 walked in to sit down and talk on the show and when she sits 978 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:50,560 down it looks like her stomach folds as she sits down. 979 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,480 Yep, I remember this. People were wondering if this 980 00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,400 was a fake pregnancy. Was she actually having a 981 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:57,880 surrogate? You know what? 982 00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,920 I know that sounds crazy and I feel like gone to my head. 983 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,200 She really did. She really was pregnant. 984 00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:07,080 But these people are of such a different wealth that like, 985 00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:10,480 maybe maybe she did. I mean, she could easily afford 986 00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,720 a surrogate, but maybe didn't want people to know. 987 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:16,640 I don't know if Beyoncé has done it, we don't know for sure, but 988 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,280 I think some celebrities have done it. 989 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,720 Fake their pregnancy? Yes, really. 990 00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:29,320 Yes, because I I have OK. I once ago somehow found myself 991 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,760 on this website that it was linked to from a article that 992 00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:38,040 was about stars. This new emerging trend of stars 993 00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,520 having circuits because they don't want to ruin their bodies 994 00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,320 or because they don't have time to be pregnant. 995 00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,280 This kind of new trend and I found myself on this website 996 00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:50,640 that sold very realistic looking baby bumps. 997 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,200 Like, very well made. Wow. 998 00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,720 So do you think they like to post pregnancy pictures? 999 00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:58,880 Make it seem like they're pregnant. 1000 00:54:59,000 --> 00:54:59,320 Wow. I. 1001 00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,760 Mean I don't I don't know who. I'm just saying like the fact 1002 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:06,240 that this is an industry. I mean yeah, they might just use 1003 00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:09,520 them for movies but the the people on the article, I don't. 1004 00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:12,840 I wish I had it pulled up like what publication it was. 1005 00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,600 They made it sound like people have used this just in their 1006 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,320 personal slash professional lives. 1007 00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:23,240 So I don't think it's like too insane that people thought this 1008 00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:26,120 was a possibility. Yeah, fake her pregnancy is all 1009 00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,040 I'm saying. I feel like someone, maybe 1010 00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:29,560 they're not even that famous. Like, I don't know. 1011 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,000 I just feel like someone maybe has done it. 1012 00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,320 I definitely don't think she faked her second one when she 1013 00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:35,360 had twins. No. 1014 00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:36,560 I know. We don't know. 1015 00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,920 And then then there was people responding to it saying it's 1016 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:44,760 just the way the dress folded and it just looks like it, It is 1017 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,520 weird. If you watch the video, it, it 1018 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,160 does look kind of strange. Yeah, it does. 1019 00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,360 I don't know. I don't know how to explain it. 1020 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,080 It does look like it soft. Yeah, it does look soft. 1021 00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:57,960 I don't know. And like her bump. 1022 00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,920 I don't want to over analyze it, but like her bump does look like 1023 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,320 kind of perfect. Yeah, it does. 1024 00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:07,160 I think she had. It's a conspiracy, I think most. 1025 00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,200 Likely she really was pregnant. But yeah, no, I agree. 1026 00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,040 I mean, I think it's something that definitely could happen for 1027 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:17,480 stars that big, that rich. I could see even maybe the 1028 00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,360 excuse of like, oh, we want to protect our surrogates privacy 1029 00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,520 or it's no one's business that we need a surrogate. 1030 00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,240 So we'll do this, but that that would be crazy. 1031 00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,920 But yeah, I mean, she's she's having a baby. 1032 00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:32,240 Her and Jay were seen around this time out and about a couple 1033 00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:34,480 of times with Chris Martin and Gwyneth Paltrow. 1034 00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,600 I guess they were friends, couple of friends which I didn't 1035 00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,560 know, And Chris Martin and Jay-Z have actually done music 1036 00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,520 together. So yeah, they're close. 1037 00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:43,760 They're they're doing a lot of things. 1038 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,640 They went to the US Open, They went to Italy for Beyoncé's 1039 00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:48,480 birthday. They seemed to really like 1040 00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:49,760 Italy. They go there all the time. 1041 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,240 They went to Chicago. They were. 1042 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,040 I just thought, there's this funny story about that. 1043 00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,360 They were trying to go to this pizza place that was like really 1044 00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,640 in demand. But even they had like a wait 1045 00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,480 time, they couldn't get a table. So then they went to some bar 1046 00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,160 next door and Beyoncé got a mocktail. 1047 00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,080 Oh wow, this is during her pregnancy. 1048 00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,040 Yes, she's still pregnant. In November. 1049 00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:17,440 Jay talked to People Appeal magazine about not wanting to 1050 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,440 repeat his father's mistakes, and he said. 1051 00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,760 He already has. I know, he said. 1052 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,200 It makes me a little paranoid because no matter what, I don't 1053 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,040 think any person or any male goes into a relationship 1054 00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,560 thinking they're going to leave or wouldn't it be there? 1055 00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,240 I think circumstances a lot of times dictate things, right? 1056 00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,280 I'm just a different kind of guy he means compared to his dad. 1057 00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:41,280 I'm highly principled person. I come from a real place where 1058 00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:43,640 you had to be a highly principled person. 1059 00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:46,040 So I'm pretty confident that I'll figure it out. 1060 00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:48,840 Kind of kind of weird. I mean, I guess it's. 1061 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,880 I guess it's a good thing, but it's it's interesting that he's 1062 00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:55,360 like thinking about am I going to leave someday? 1063 00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:56,800 Like, no. I'll figure it out. 1064 00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:01,720 Yeah. And then in the article he said 1065 00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,640 that they'll lavish their child and the interviewer said, will 1066 00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:07,560 the baby's diapers be made of gold? 1067 00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:13,280 And he said no leather, No. OK, funny. 1068 00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:19,440 Yeah, people are going crazy wondering if it was a boy or 1069 00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:24,600 girl going to be a boy or girl. And in November, Kelly Rowland 1070 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,480 from Destiny's Child let it slip that it was a girl. 1071 00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,040 Well, that's. A big slip. 1072 00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,400 I know. And Beyoncé was asked if this 1073 00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:37,880 was true by Katie Couric and she kind of just said she asked it 1074 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:41,000 was actually it was true. And she just kind of said like 1075 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:47,800 she didn't really answer awkward That December, though sadly, 1076 00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:52,280 Beyoncé's parents got divorced. Well, they had a really rocky 1077 00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,880 relationship happen on and off. And I don't think her father was 1078 00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,440 faithful to her mother. So it's it's not the best 1079 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,480 relationship, but that's that's got to be stressful, you know, 1080 00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,880 while you're pregnant and then your parents are breaking up. 1081 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:10,560 You know it's a lot going on. And then January 7th, 2012, Blue 1082 00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:16,000 Ivy Carter is. Born what a famous baby. 1083 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,480 Very famous baby. Sucks for those twins, but like, 1084 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,160 they'll never be Blue Ivy. Like they, I know. 1085 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,720 Always in her shadows. They really are. 1086 00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,320 They are. This was a huge deal. 1087 00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,880 I mean, first of all, people were freaking out about the 1088 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,720 name. But but yeah, I mean this. 1089 00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:34,960 This is when they became parents. 1090 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:36,920 It was crazy. And this is when I put in my 1091 00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:38,520 note that maybe we should take a break. 1092 00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:40,000 Oh, I actually do have to. Go back. 1093 00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,600 Yeah, that's a good idea. All right, I'll scrap. 1094 00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:43,600 OK. I'll be back. 1095 00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:44,960 OK. A 5 minute break. 1096 00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:46,880 All right. Sounds good. 1097 00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,800 All right, we'll be back. We're back. 1098 00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,360 All right. So where are we now? 1099 00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,440 So Blue Ivy Carter has just been born Beyoncé. 1100 00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,560 Would you go have a Bay? Bay. 1101 00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,640 Bay. Like she kind of goes away. 1102 01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:07,840 Both they they say that they're working on a super secret 1103 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:13,320 project together and what's kind of crazy is I don't think this 1104 01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:17,720 is the project, but three weeks after her birth, they start 1105 01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,760 making moves to trademark Blue Ivy's name. 1106 01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,400 Interesting. So does that mean if they 1107 01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:28,160 trademark it, nobody, like can do anything with Blue Ivy? 1108 01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:29,760 Like you can't name your kid Blue Ivy. 1109 01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:31,960 I don't know. I don't know if it means you 1110 01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,560 can't name your kid, but they were trying to make it a 1111 01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,560 trademark to use for business purposes. 1112 01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:42,160 I guess it's just the word, but I guess they lost the bid to 1113 01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,480 trademark Blue Ivy. Didn't work out. 1114 01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,000 Interesting. But it is weird. 1115 01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:48,920 Like, so soon after your daughter's birth? 1116 01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,040 To already be thinking about like business opportunities, I I 1117 01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,480 guess the one argument I could see there is to prevent other 1118 01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,640 people from starting businesses inspired after your child. 1119 01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:05,080 They same year, we're doing a lot to campaign for Obama's next 1120 01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:07,640 term. And they had a fundraiser at 1121 01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:11,320 Jay's Club 4040. They raised $4 million in one 1122 01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:15,520 night and Obama was there and he addressed the people at the 1123 01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:19,600 party and he said Jay-Z now knows, you know what my life is 1124 01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:21,520 like. He said we both have daughters 1125 01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,560 and our wives are more popular than we are. 1126 01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,880 And then he turned to Jay and said, so, you know, we've got a 1127 01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,400 little bond there. It's hard, but it's OK. 1128 01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:33,640 Everybody laughed. And oh, and the Obamas, We just 1129 01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,280 did a March Madness. Oh yeah, yeah. 1130 01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,040 Oh my God. And they and they won. 1131 01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:43,640 They not only won for this March Madness, they actually beat out 1132 01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:47,320 previous winners Robin Kristen, which I. 1133 01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,840 Can't believe? That I was actually shocked 1134 01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:53,440 because I started thinking the power of those Twilight 1135 01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:59,280 listeners was too strong, too big to me, too failed because 1136 01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,760 you guys were voting for Robin Suki. 1137 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,080 When I I hate to say it, they and I think. 1138 01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,800 I think me saying something actually changed it because. 1139 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,840 Probably because Mel did make a little post when she revealed 1140 01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,880 the updated bracket. Made a little comment that said 1141 01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:19,200 not going to lie. Getting worried that our results 1142 01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,200 are skewed by the twilight they were. 100%. 1143 01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:26,480 Because we didn't expect Robin Suki to go this far, yeah. 1144 01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,040 They were totally skewed. Like, I think, but maybe Robin 1145 01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:33,000 Suki had the easiest path to victory to get there. 1146 01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,320 But maybe. But they they vote. 1147 01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,040 Beat out Rachel. Oh no they didn't. 1148 01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,280 They beat out Rachel Bilson. Adam Brody? 1149 01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,160 Okay fine. Maybe not a lot of people have 1150 01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,040 seen The OC. Then they beat out Isla Fisher 1151 01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,600 and Sasha Baron Cohen like, hello, they've. 1152 01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,360 Been such a lovable couple a. Lovable couple. 1153 01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,760 Been together for years, 20 years. 1154 01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:58,320 Then they beat out Emma Stone and Andrew Garfield. 1155 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,800 Don't feel that's like a fame. I thought they were gonna. 1156 01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,160 I thought they would win the whole thing. 1157 01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,960 So I was like, OK, people are just voting for them. 1158 01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,680 What do you just say? Oh no, I just meant meant you 1159 01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:12,480 had to say. Something. 1160 01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,400 Oh yeah, I had to say something, yeah. 1161 01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,480 Because I was like, I don't want, I don't want these results 1162 01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,600 to be not honest, but then people. 1163 01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:23,280 Imagine if both of our March madnesses Robert Pence in one 1164 01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:24,160 bowl of. Time out. 1165 01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,360 Then we'd have to take a break from the Twilight people all 1166 01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,240 together. But then I was like, OK, now I 1167 01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:33,320 feel bad I said something. Because now now the Obamas are. 1168 01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,080 And I think, you know, I'm. I'm happy for the Obamas. 1169 01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,440 But then they beat Robson. I was like, oh, people just like 1170 01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:44,360 now afraid to vote for the Twilight couples Like, Okay. 1171 01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,640 You can vote Robson like that's Okay. 1172 01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:54,760 If anybody doesn't know, we used to host a Twilight podcast, so I 1173 01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,080 was worried he was going to ruin our credibility. 1174 01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:03,720 I like, OK, but I'm happy for the Obamas. 1175 01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,760 I I think they really do deserve it and it was great to see them 1176 01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:09,280 there. It's great to have a couple 1177 01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,680 that's like still together. When the whole thing that's 1178 01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,200 true, people. People were really voting for 1179 01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:17,080 JFK Junior and Carolyn and like. They were. 1180 01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:19,840 I know they died tragically and they were very fashionable, but, 1181 01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:23,560 like, did you listen to that episode like you don't want to 1182 01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,360 model your relationship off off of them? 1183 01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,560 Some of you guys did not listen to that episode. 1184 01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:32,400 I mean, that was a really good episode. 1185 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:34,280 I know, I know. What are people basing it off 1186 01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:35,960 of? Like Is it they like the 1187 01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,800 relationship or they just? Say like the episode. 1188 01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,120 I don't know. Or they just like how they look? 1189 01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,800 I don't know. But this this couple Beyoncé and 1190 01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:48,400 Jay ZI feel like they will be at least semi finalists next time 1191 01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:51,880 we do another March Madness bracket. 1192 01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:53,040 Thanks. I would guess I. 1193 01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,240 Bet I can't. I can't wait to do another one. 1194 01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:59,040 It's so, so, so fun. And if you guys missed it, we'll 1195 01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,400 do it again someday. Yeah, you missed a good time. 1196 01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,920 Obama did get criticism for this party. 1197 01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:08,760 The Washington Post and an article said President Obama 1198 01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,200 assumed the role of celebrity in chief again Tuesday. 1199 01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,120 Not really relevant, but I do remember that like at the time, 1200 01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:19,160 people were like judging him for hanging out with celebrities so 1201 01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,000 much. And I don't know. 1202 01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,240 I guess. That's just interesting, yeah. 1203 01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,200 But hey, I mean. He's popular he's popular He's. 1204 01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,720 Popular. And like, so are they. 1205 01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,240 If you're president, you're like, yeah, I can hang out with 1206 01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,680 Beyoncé and Jay-Z. Yeah, I like their music. 1207 01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:36,960 Yeah. Why not tend them up on that 1208 01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,680 opportunity? Yes and won't. 1209 01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:43,320 Know if this is when it started, but this is when it started 1210 01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:48,120 becoming very popular to accuse Beyoncé and Jay-Z of being part 1211 01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:52,400 of the Illuminati. Some, you know, shadowy 1212 01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:57,720 underground group that's controlling the world, yes. 1213 01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,520 That'd be crazy. It would be crazy. 1214 01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:06,360 Crazy. Crazy. 1215 01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:10,360 Exactly. And you know she's acknowledged 1216 01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:12,720 this in her music. I What did you say? 1217 01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:14,960 Y'all corny with that Illuminati shit. 1218 01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,920 Yeah, I could believe that there are groups, people that like 1219 01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:23,120 meet up and stuff, but I I don't think it's like as insidious or 1220 01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:24,920 like all controlling as people think. 1221 01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:26,080 But I don't want to get. Too much? 1222 01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,720 I don't really get it. Yeah, but even like this stuff, 1223 01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:32,680 because I don't, I mean, Freemasons, that's a similar 1224 01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,160 thing. People get all like, nervous 1225 01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:36,080 about that. Freemasons are like controlling 1226 01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,720 everything. And it's true Freemasons are a 1227 01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:44,200 real group of people that meet and there's all these like, 1228 01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,920 levels to it and stuff. But I've heard that it's like, 1229 01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:48,880 not. It's all just show, basically. 1230 01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,000 It's like, they make it seem really important, but it's not. 1231 01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:54,680 They're not really doing much. It's just like a bunch of 1232 01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,720 traditions, yeah. Basically, people just thought 1233 01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:02,200 that like or still think that it's like this exclusive group 1234 01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,560 of people that only certain people get invited to, and 1235 01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:07,400 they're like making decisions about how the whole world should 1236 01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,160 run. How can they do that? 1237 01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:13,640 That would be so hard. That, well, I think they think 1238 01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:16,320 that like world leaders are like billionaires are in it. 1239 01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,760 They're influencing politics. And I mean, it's true. 1240 01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:24,320 Beyoncé and Jay-Z combined our billionaires and, yeah, mega 1241 01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:28,480 businessmen, and I can see why people get all paranoid and 1242 01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,080 think these things, but I almost think it's like it's more 1243 01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:35,240 exciting to think it's true. I think they just want money. 1244 01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:38,520 Yeah. But anyway. 1245 01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:43,600 Anyway. 2013, for Obama's second inauguration, the couple was 1246 01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:45,960 there again. And this time, Beyoncé sang the 1247 01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:51,680 national anthem in July, Jays album Magna Carta Holy Grail is 1248 01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:56,280 released and Beyoncé is on Part 2 on the run. 1249 01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:00,400 And then in December herself titled Album was released out of 1250 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,760 nowhere. This was a big deal with the 1251 01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:06,000 visual album. She did no promotion for 1252 01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,800 anything. And I feel like since then some 1253 01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,160 artists have done this, but at the time it felt very 1254 01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,080 revolutionary, like she just dropped an album. 1255 01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:19,080 Oh my God. And this is the album that had 1256 01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:25,279 drunken love with Jay-Z and Partition and Jay-Z. 1257 01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:26,359 In the videos, he's in Partition. 1258 01:08:26,359 --> 01:08:29,319 He's like, I rewatched it recently. 1259 01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:32,760 He's sort of like an observer watching her perform in like a 1260 01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,640 burlesque, burlesque show. It's very sexy. 1261 01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,920 And they performed Drunken love together at the Grammys a month 1262 01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:40,880 later. This was a huge time. 1263 01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,399 This is like what we're talking about, like Beyoncé just being 1264 01:08:43,399 --> 01:08:46,399 so popular, Yeah. Huge. 1265 01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:47,640 Huge. Huge. 1266 01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:53,080 Huge. Drunk in love. 2014 The elevator 1267 01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,920 incident. Oh my God, I'm so excited to 1268 01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,000 talk about this. Can't believe we have this. 1269 01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:00,680 This is why they're not in that Illuminati. 1270 01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:04,160 You would know to not release that video or. 1271 01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:06,920 They would have stopped it. Yeah. 1272 01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,880 The elevator incident. In case you don't know about 1273 01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,040 this, I'm going to walk you through everything that 1274 01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,640 happened. This is following a Met Gala, 1275 01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:19,479 the Met Gala after party at the Standard Hotel in New York. 1276 01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:24,319 And basically, footage from a hotel elevator was released 1277 01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:28,800 showing Beyoncé's sister Solange fighting Jay-Z, kicking him and 1278 01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:32,640 attacking him. And what happened was they got 1279 01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:36,640 in on the 18th floor. B walks in first, she seems 1280 01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:41,000 rather calm, and then Solange walks in, and then Jay and then 1281 01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,160 Julius de Boer, Beyoncé's bodyguard who's been her 1282 01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:47,920 bodyguard since 2008. Once Jay entered, enters the 1283 01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:51,800 elevator and the door is closed, Solange raises a finger and goes 1284 01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,960 right up to him to yell at him. She starts hitting him, pushing 1285 01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:58,200 him, kicking him, and then Julius the bodyguard holds her 1286 01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,200 back. Beyoncé is just standing there 1287 01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,120 next to Jay doing nothing, literally. 1288 01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:03,920 Her hands are just like by her side. 1289 01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:08,600 She doesn't even try to stop it. And then Julius bodyguard is 1290 01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,920 holding Solange back and Jay goes in to yell and sort of 1291 01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:15,080 reaches towards her. Then Beyoncé seemingly does yell 1292 01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,840 something and steps forward and Solange, while she's being held 1293 01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,280 back, reaches out and kicks Jay again. 1294 01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:25,000 He grabs her leg. Beyoncé kind of pushes Solange 1295 01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,080 away. Solange is still yelling. 1296 01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:31,040 Julius is holding her back. He keeps pressing the elevator 1297 01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,160 buttons. It's funny, he keeps pressing 1298 01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:36,680 the buttons, like over and over, trying to make it go faster. 1299 01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,600 Solange keeps yelling, and it almost seems like Beyoncé's 1300 01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:43,000 trying to ignore her, or like or not, or maybe just trying to 1301 01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,440 ignore the whole situation, like she's really not reacting. 1302 01:10:45,440 --> 01:10:48,520 It's very weird and it's just interesting to interpret it, 1303 01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:51,600 interpret what's going on here. Because she's standing next to 1304 01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,200 Jay, she seems kind of like solid by his side. 1305 01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:57,600 But she also isn't trying to, like, dispute whatever Solange 1306 01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,680 is saying. You know, whatever Solange, her 1307 01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:01,240 sister is yelling at her husband. 1308 01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:04,840 She's not mad at her sister or she's not telling her sister, 1309 01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:06,760 you're wrong. We don't know what she's saying, 1310 01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:09,880 but, you know, she's just kind of staying neutral throughout 1311 01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,160 it. Once they finally reached the 1312 01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:14,720 lobby, Solange tries. It's crazy. 1313 01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,720 Like, it seems kind of composed, like they finally got to the 1314 01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:19,440 lobby, like, OK, let's just get out of here. 1315 01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:23,680 But once the the door almost opens, Solange tries to attack 1316 01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:25,200 him again. Oh my God. 1317 01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:29,400 Julius stops her. The doors keep closing, and they 1318 01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:32,680 keep opening it and then closing it again and opening it, opening 1319 01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:35,240 again. Julius tries to calm Solange 1320 01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,440 down. And then just as they're about 1321 01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:40,400 to walk out the door, Solange strikes again and hits him. 1322 01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,600 They talk about, I guess they're guessing, I think they're 1323 01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:45,920 talking about what they're going to do. 1324 01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:47,760 Beyoncé's like pointing to the lobby. 1325 01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:49,880 And then finally they all walk out. 1326 01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:52,880 And as they walk out of the hotel, they're all playing it 1327 01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:54,240 cool. And there's a huge crowd of 1328 01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:55,760 people. It's just so crazy to think 1329 01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:57,440 about. Like if you were in that crowd, 1330 01:11:57,840 --> 01:11:59,920 you have no idea what. Just happened, you know. 1331 01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:05,360 And Beyoncé and Solange get into a car together, but Jay doesn't. 1332 01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,520 He walks away into the crowd and he gets into another car. 1333 01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:12,520 It's kind of scary. Like, I watch this video of what 1334 01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:14,480 was going on on the street and there were all these people 1335 01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:16,920 yelling and some people were yelling at him that he's in the 1336 01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,720 Illuminati and there's so many people. 1337 01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:23,360 It was kind of freaking me out. Yeah, that is in the after an 1338 01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:25,800 incident. Yeah, that would feel so 1339 01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:27,560 intense. So. 1340 01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:29,320 Intense. Yeah, I think the most. 1341 01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:31,840 Happened. I think the most telling thing 1342 01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:35,480 about that elevator incident is how neutral Beyoncé stays. 1343 01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:39,520 Like even if he did something pretty bad, like cheated on her, 1344 01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,520 I think a lot of people in that situation, if they saw their 1345 01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,640 sister getting violent with their husband, would still be 1346 01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:49,160 like, hey, calm down, like don't get physical. 1347 01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,760 She's just letting it happen. She's like, so he had to do 1348 01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,600 something really bad that she's like, OK, go off on him. 1349 01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,920 She's like, I'm not going to hit him, but you can if you want to, 1350 01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:02,400 like that has to be pretty bad, whatever he did to upset Solange 1351 01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,240 that badly. And like Solange isn't even the 1352 01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:08,960 one that I'm assuming it was infidelity that got cheated on. 1353 01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:10,320 I want. Can you imagine that? 1354 01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,920 I was just like, seems to be like a very independent woman. 1355 01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,200 She's just, like, fighting for her sister I. 1356 01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,680 Think I was going to say, Can you imagine if that happened in 1357 01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:20,720 our family? But I actually, with our 1358 01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,280 parents, yes. And I actually could picture 1359 01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:26,120 that happening. Yes. 1360 01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:30,600 That seems like something that would maybe not. 1361 01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:32,800 I don't think it ever, I don't think it ever got physical, but 1362 01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:34,920 I think that basically did happen. 1363 01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:38,680 Yes, there was a a car chase. There was. 1364 01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:41,520 Yes, there was a car chase. There's spying. 1365 01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,800 There's, yeah, there's a private investigator. 1366 01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:47,760 Yeah, a lot of drama. Yes. 1367 01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,760 But I mean, what happened? What happened? 1368 01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:52,880 So do you, have they ever spoken about this? 1369 01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:55,760 They have spoken about this. Oh wow. 1370 01:13:56,680 --> 01:14:02,560 But first a a source spoke about this to People magazine and this 1371 01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:06,160 source claimed that it's kind of crazy this is to people because 1372 01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:08,360 I always think of people as pretty, like, reputable. 1373 01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:12,440 But the source said that Solange had to run in with the fashion 1374 01:14:12,440 --> 01:14:17,880 designer Rachel Roy earlier in the night and said that Solange 1375 01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:20,880 was provoked by Rachel and said toward the end of the night, Jay 1376 01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:24,520 said something inappropriate to Beyoncé and Solange and she 1377 01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:26,640 snapped. When they got in the elevator. 1378 01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:28,920 It escalated quickly, the way family tensions can. 1379 01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:32,280 It got exceptionally heated the way family moments can. 1380 01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,560 OK, so who's Rachel Roy? Apparently she previously 1381 01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:39,320 interned at Rocco Wear, which is Jay-Z fashion label, and she 1382 01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:42,480 eventually became the creative director of the Women's and 1383 01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:48,440 Children's line. And in 2005, Jay bought out. 1384 01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,880 OK, this is interesting. He started the label with his 1385 01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:56,280 friend, the producer Damon Dash. And in 2005, Jay-Z bought Dash 1386 01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:59,360 out of his share. And then Rachel Roy and Dash 1387 01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:01,880 married. And then Roy started her own 1388 01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:06,080 fashion label. And then in 2009, Dash, that 1389 01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:10,200 friend, and Rachel Roy divorced a year after Beyoncé and Jay-Z 1390 01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:12,720 were married. So I don't know if like, the 1391 01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:14,960 people might be just speculating, but people seem to 1392 01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,560 think that some kind of interaction with this woman. 1393 01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:21,920 Rachel Roy set this off. People think he might have 1394 01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,960 cheated with her. Well, doesn't Rachel kind of 1395 01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,680 implicate herself later on? Do you have that in your notes? 1396 01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:35,520 Yeah, so later on in the future, Beyoncé has her Lemonade album 1397 01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:41,360 where she talks about infidelity, talking about Herman 1398 01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:44,280 cheating on her. And there's a lyric about Becky 1399 01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:49,600 with the good hair, being the woman that the man is with. 1400 01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:53,680 And Rachel posted a picture on Instagram of her and her friends 1401 01:15:53,680 --> 01:15:56,760 like having a good time, partying and the caption says 1402 01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,720 good hair, don't care, but we will take good lighting for 1403 01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:03,320 selfies or self truths. Always live in the light 1404 01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:05,280 hashtag. No drama Queens. 1405 01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:10,160 No Queens. Rachel, why would you implicate 1406 01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:12,880 yourself like that girl you know? 1407 01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:14,880 They just like. Not said anything and like let 1408 01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:20,240 people believe that you were unjustly attached to this. 1409 01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:24,320 Right. I don't know why she did that. 1410 01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:26,600 I love. But there's probably more to the 1411 01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:28,440 story. Like maybe she, I don't know, 1412 01:16:28,440 --> 01:16:31,360 like maybe she thought that like they had no relation or 1413 01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:33,200 something. Like, maybe Jay lied to her. 1414 01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:34,360 Like we don't. Really know? 1415 01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:37,560 Yeah, but hey, like, don't shade Beyoncé like. 1416 01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:40,360 You. Cheated with her? 1417 01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:43,280 Man, no drama Queens. Like, hey, I think you're 1418 01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:48,720 allowed to be dramatic if your husband cheated with someone. 1419 01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:52,920 But I love if you have time, Wendy Williams. 1420 01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:57,160 Look this up afterwards, her recapping of the elevator thing, 1421 01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:59,880 what she thinks happened is so funny. 1422 01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:01,240 Like it's like so. Long like you're. 1423 01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:03,600 Not going to do this with my sister here. 1424 01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,800 You're not going to do it like she like it's so funny and like 1425 01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:09,720 animated and I think it is what happened. 1426 01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:13,880 Said something inappropriate and she said not like not today. 1427 01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:17,480 I'm I'm done with this. I still remember this is back 1428 01:17:17,480 --> 01:17:19,720 when I used to watch SNL like every week, week. 1429 01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:24,360 I love Saturday Night Live. I remember they had a skit that 1430 01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:27,040 was someone's, I think, I think they still do this. 1431 01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:29,840 It was like someone saying what happened in the elevator and it 1432 01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:34,280 was that there was a spider on Jay-Z and that Solandra's trying 1433 01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:36,640 to get it off of him. And I still always think about 1434 01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:38,760 that. She was like, get it, get it, 1435 01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,920 kick it, kick it. Solange, I love you, Solange. 1436 01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:45,720 It's just that she was kicking a spider. 1437 01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:49,640 That's so funny. Yeah, seems like it was more 1438 01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:51,520 intense. But that is like an interesting 1439 01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:53,600 thing that we haven't really explored before. 1440 01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:56,680 Like not just getting cheated on, but if someone you love is 1441 01:17:56,680 --> 01:18:01,160 cheated on, that is an even different thing. 1442 01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:03,640 And I feel like if you're in a relationship and you get cheated 1443 01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,520 on, I feel like it's almost easier to forgive because 1444 01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:10,400 there's all these other things at play and like, you love them. 1445 01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:14,320 Like, yes, makes you willing to stick it out and forgive them, 1446 01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:17,840 but if someone you love gets cheated on, it's hard to repair 1447 01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:21,240 that relationship with that person, whether it's a 1448 01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:24,240 brother-in-law or a friend. Because you're not in love with 1449 01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:26,000 them. No, no you don't. 1450 01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:30,680 Have rose colored glasses. On about them, No, I mean, and 1451 01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:32,640 how can you trust? Them again? 1452 01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:35,840 Yeah, I feel that. I feel very protective of my 1453 01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:36,960 sisters. Yeah. 1454 01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,840 Luckily I haven't been in a situation like that, but I just 1455 01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:46,960 hate to see them hurt or upset, and anytime I hear about someone 1456 01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:50,200 being like rude to my sisters or something, I get so mad. 1457 01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,720 Oh yeah. I mean, like we said, in our 1458 01:18:52,720 --> 01:18:56,720 family there was a long ago, even like before we were born, 1459 01:18:56,720 --> 01:19:01,120 but there was a cheating scandal and it lived on and on and on, 1460 01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:06,400 like in the lore of our family, when people still are not over 1461 01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:08,520 it. No, never will be. 1462 01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,520 No, because that hurts. Like, you're not just betraying 1463 01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:15,560 the person you're dating, you're betraying their whole family and 1464 01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:17,800 their friends and everyone who loves them, too. 1465 01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:19,920 It's very hard to repair that trust. 1466 01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:26,400 What's weird is after this, their father, Matthew Knowles, 1467 01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:29,880 said that the elevator incident was a scheme for attention. 1468 01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,720 And. OK, here it is. 1469 01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:39,040 He said that they needed something to ignite that tour. 1470 01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:43,040 This was to KRBE radio, he said they needed something to ignite 1471 01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:44,760 that tour because later on they go on tour. 1472 01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:48,640 It's called a Jedi mind trick. The Jedi mind trick fools you a 1473 01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:51,720 lot of the time, so things you see sometimes are. 1474 01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:54,880 He gestured to, made a gesture like a puff of smoke. 1475 01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:57,200 All I know is everybody's talking about it. 1476 01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:00,200 Ticket sales went up. Solange's album sales went up to 1477 01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:05,280 100%. It is true that all their music, 1478 01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:08,320 all the sales went up, but I don't think that that's 1479 01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,240 something you can, like, fake it. 1480 01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:11,840 It just didn't seem like it at all. 1481 01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:15,280 I think he's just, yeah, maybe trying to make it seem like 1482 01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:18,360 their family isn't dysfunctional and like also it's all on 1483 01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,360 purpose. I feel like if it was on 1484 01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:25,200 purpose, you wouldn't tell us. I know that's so true. 1485 01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:27,760 Why would, yeah? Why would you pull back? 1486 01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:29,560 Either he's like blowing their cover. 1487 01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,360 Or. He's just coming up with some 1488 01:20:32,360 --> 01:20:34,320 story. Very weird at this point. 1489 01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:36,480 I don't think he's not Beyoncé's manager anymore. 1490 01:20:36,480 --> 01:20:40,040 He used to be, so he's kind of loose cannon right now. 1491 01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,120 Yeah, I could see just being like, OK, like one of my 1492 01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,720 daughter's is getting physical on an elevator. 1493 01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:52,440 I need to, yeah, I bet. I mean, maybe it's not like 1494 01:20:52,440 --> 01:20:55,920 crazy, but I don't think so. I mean, they have a young child 1495 01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,280 together too, like you. That's it's kind of 1496 01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,440 embarrassing. And the the footage was released 1497 01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:03,640 by the hotel. I think they sold it to 1498 01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:05,600 publication. It wasn't like they released it 1499 01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,560 themselves. I wonder how many hotels or 1500 01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:12,160 place establishments have crazy security. 1501 01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:13,640 Footage. It's kind of stressful. 1502 01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:16,800 Yeah, well, I mean, usually they're not like celebrities 1503 01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,360 aren't beating somebody up for the most part. 1504 01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:22,640 You know, I have footage of like people making out and stuff in 1505 01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:24,840 elevators and it'd be pretty interesting. 1506 01:21:25,480 --> 01:21:29,240 It seems kind of legal. I was thinking that, yeah. 1507 01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:33,240 But I actually sometimes OK, so sometimes in my job I do write 1508 01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:38,320 about security cameras and I think it's legal if there's no 1509 01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:40,400 audio and there is no audio. Yeah, so. 1510 01:21:40,440 --> 01:21:43,800 It is illegal to record somebody speaking without their consent. 1511 01:21:44,480 --> 01:21:45,480 Interesting. Yeah. 1512 01:21:45,480 --> 01:21:48,720 But you, I feel like in a hotel, even though, yeah, you're not in 1513 01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:50,120 your room, you're in the elevator. 1514 01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:52,960 Like you would assume that you're in private. 1515 01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:57,320 It is weird we haven't seen more videos of people just standing 1516 01:21:57,320 --> 01:22:00,160 in the elevator. I know we're just like walking 1517 01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:03,640 down the hallway. I don't know. 1518 01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:07,720 A few weeks after this elevator incident, Jay and Beyoncé did 1519 01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:11,480 not attend Kanye West and Kim Kardashians wedding, which they 1520 01:22:11,480 --> 01:22:13,720 were invited to. And I should mention that Jay 1521 01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:17,640 and Kanye have been collaborators, like friends, 1522 01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:20,200 brothers. They've said for years. 1523 01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:23,040 They've been really close. And so it was kind of a big deal 1524 01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:25,000 that they didn't go to this in Kanye. 1525 01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:29,120 I mean, this was back in the day, you know, this is before 1526 01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:33,640 Kanye was the way he is now. And people liked him in the. 1527 01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,120 I mean, yeah, he always had an ego, but people liked him at 1528 01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:38,560 this time. But yeah, Kanye told Charlemagne 1529 01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:41,320 the God on The Breakfast Club. He said I was hurt about them 1530 01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:43,800 not coming to the wedding. I understand they were going 1531 01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:47,560 through through some things, but if it's family or not going to 1532 01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:50,360 miss a wedding I. Get it? 1533 01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:53,240 But they had a destination wedding like they were getting 1534 01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:55,600 married in Italy. I know they're big celebrities, 1535 01:22:55,640 --> 01:23:00,200 but if your marriage is on the rocks, do you want to get in a 1536 01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:03,760 plane with someone and like, go to it different country with 1537 01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:05,320 them? Go to a wedding where there's 1538 01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:08,640 going to be cameras and people talking about you. 1539 01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:11,160 I could see Jay-Z going by himself. 1540 01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:14,240 Maybe, Yeah. I mean, I think that's probably 1541 01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:16,680 what he's more mad about. That's the fact that Jay-Z 1542 01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:20,960 didn't go. Yeah, but whatever, yeah. 1543 01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:22,720 It happens. I mean it. 1544 01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:26,040 Happens. I mean, yeah, they go to Italy a 1545 01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:27,880 lot. So, like, it doesn't seem like a 1546 01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,440 great excuse, but. No, but I mean. 1547 01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:34,280 I if they were truly, like maybe on the verge of breaking up or 1548 01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:37,480 something, I can kind of get it. Two months later, Solange 1549 01:23:37,480 --> 01:23:40,840 actually spoke to Lucky magazine and said what's important is 1550 01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:42,560 that my family and I are all good. 1551 01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:46,000 What we had to say collectively was in the statement that we put 1552 01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:48,360 out and we all feel at peace with that. 1553 01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:54,200 And so the statement was, it was, it was very PR, it said. 1554 01:23:54,440 --> 01:23:57,760 There's been a great deal of speculation about what triggered 1555 01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:00,720 that unfortunate incident, but the most important thing is that 1556 01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:02,160 our family has worked through it. 1557 01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:05,640 Jay and Solange each assume their shared responsibility for 1558 01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:08,040 what has occurred. They both acknowledge their role 1559 01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:10,600 in this private matter and that has played out, that has played 1560 01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:12,920 out in the public. They both have apologized to 1561 01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:15,680 each other and we have moved forward as a united family. 1562 01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,880 The reports of Solange being intoxicated or displaying 1563 01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:22,040 erratic behavior throughout the evening are simply false. 1564 01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:24,720 At the end of the day, families have problems and we're no 1565 01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:26,800 different. We love each other and above 1566 01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:29,280 all, we are family. We've put this behind us and we 1567 01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:31,120 hope everyone else will do the same. 1568 01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:36,120 I feel like if she was drunk like it would make more sense, 1569 01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:37,400 but. Yeah, it's. 1570 01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:41,120 I feel like every fight I've ever seen, people are drunk 1571 01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:43,800 pretty much, So it's understandable. 1572 01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:48,840 I've I can't remember the last time I laid my hands on someone 1573 01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:51,760 though out of rage it doesn't really. 1574 01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:53,480 It's not something that I have. Have you? 1575 01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:57,640 Well, probably just my brothers, like growing up when we were 1576 01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:00,880 kids, and we definitely would like physically fight, but 1577 01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:02,960 that's probably the only time. Right. 1578 01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:06,800 Last night Caitlin was saying that she would kill me in a 1579 01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:11,120 fight or like totally built, totally beat me and it was kind 1580 01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:12,840 of making me want to fight her. But. 1581 01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:15,840 Does he All right? Prove it. 1582 01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:20,800 Yeah, prove it, Caitlin. Yeah, I think you're going to 1583 01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:22,680 say that. I think. 1584 01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:27,400 Try it. You guys would like throw 1585 01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:31,440 punches sometimes, not with you, but with punches. 1586 01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:34,200 Not punches like one of you. One of you would like 1587 01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:37,240 accidentally, like, bump into the other one and then suddenly 1588 01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:42,200 you know a fight would break. It's true. 1589 01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:43,520 It's true. Normal. 1590 01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:48,040 It's a like it's a normal part of growing up. 1591 01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:51,520 Yes, but usually not when you're adults, which is why it's. 1592 01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:56,400 It's strange and not with your in laws, that'd be crazy. 1593 01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:59,080 But I mean, I think the one like the people. 1594 01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:02,360 I think why this resonated with people is because people can't 1595 01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:05,720 understand, OK, you cheated on my sister. 1596 01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:10,080 I'm pissed. My sister's Beyoncé. 1597 01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:14,200 She had birthed your child. Like I know. 1598 01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:16,080 You better sleep with one eye open. 1599 01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:23,520 Exactly. August 2014, she debuted a remix 1600 01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:26,920 of her song Flawless that referenced the elevator 1601 01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:27,920 incident. She said. 1602 01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:30,720 Of course, sometimes shit goes down when there's a billion 1603 01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:35,880 dollars on an elevator, OK? OK, billion dollars. 1604 01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:37,480 Is it like about a thing? No. 1605 01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:41,880 Is it business related? Maybe that could be just a 1606 01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:47,800 diversion. 2017, this is later on skipping ahead. 1607 01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:50,600 But he did talk about this. Jay did. 1608 01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:54,520 And he said we about Solange. We had one disagreement ever 1609 01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:56,840 before and after. We've been cool. 1610 01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:58,760 And he said she's like my sister. 1611 01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:01,160 I will protect her. That's my sister, not my 1612 01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:03,320 sister-in-law period. That. 1613 01:27:03,480 --> 01:27:06,200 Is really sweet. It is. 1614 01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:07,680 Sweet. That makes me think, like, yeah, 1615 01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:10,400 like that's probably why she was so angry, because they were so 1616 01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:12,160 close. So she felt very betrayed. 1617 01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:15,200 And you said we've always had a great relationship. 1618 01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:16,440 I hope that's true. Me too. 1619 01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:19,600 But I do think like, what are the odds your one disagreement 1620 01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:21,640 is on camera? Right. 1621 01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:24,640 And that's a if it is about cheating, like that's a big 1622 01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:25,960 disagree. Huge. 1623 01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:29,920 It has to be that because what? For what other reason would 1624 01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:32,120 Beyoncé just stand there and not do anything? 1625 01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:35,960 I know. So things seem pretty low keyed 1626 01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,640 for like the next year. I mean, things are happening, 1627 01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:41,240 but I didn't think there's anything to really put in the 1628 01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:45,440 timeline here. But in April 2015, he did post 1629 01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:49,200 on his Instagram private footage of their them exchanging their 1630 01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:51,240 vows. He's now been deleted. 1631 01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:53,880 He he deleted everything. He I don't even know if he has 1632 01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:55,760 an Instagram right now. He always does that. 1633 01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,840 Like he starts up his account, posts something and then deletes 1634 01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:03,640 the whole thing. But he had a video of their vows 1635 01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:08,120 during his opening night of their On the Run tour, which is 1636 01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:11,560 their joint tour. So despite all these rumours and 1637 01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:13,840 everything, it seems like things are still going good. 1638 01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,040 I mean, they're touring together, they're showing this 1639 01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:18,400 video of their vows, they're making it work. 1640 01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:21,920 I don't know. But he's at least putting it out 1641 01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:25,080 to the public that, like, we're still strong, you know? 1642 01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:29,000 Kind of smart to tour together, like if your marriage is not 1643 01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:32,240 doing so well and one person might have problems with 1644 01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:35,200 infidelity, like OK, we have to go and. 1645 01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:36,880 Tie on you? Yeah, the whole. 1646 01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:42,760 Time. Yeah, 2016 March 2nd, there is a 1647 01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:47,760 song by Fat Joe and Remy Ma that is remix of the song All the Way 1648 01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:51,000 Up featuring Jay-Z and on the track He raps. 1649 01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:54,760 You know you made it when The Factor Marriage made It is worth 1650 01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:57,880 Millions. Lemonade is a popular drink and 1651 01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:01,640 still is. Oh which Lemonade hasn't 1652 01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:05,880 actually come out yet the album, but he's clearly referencing the 1653 01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:08,680 album that's about to come out and I thought that that phrasing 1654 01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:11,600 was weird. Lemonade is a popular drink, and 1655 01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:16,680 still is, but apparently that that line is from a gang star 1656 01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:19,760 song from 1992. OK, well, because then a month 1657 01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:22,880 later, her album Lemonade comes out. 1658 01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:24,880 OK, huge. I wasn't this. 1659 01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:27,120 Also surprise a surprise drop. Am I wrong? 1660 01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:30,480 Yes, this was a big deal. And this was a big turning point 1661 01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:33,960 in Beyoncé's career. I mean, it was a lot more 1662 01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:37,040 political than before. This was her really embracing 1663 01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:40,520 her blackness, like her family's past, her upbringing in the 1664 01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:42,720 South. But there's also a lot of themes 1665 01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:46,560 about betrayal, anger, and forgiveness, which people can 1666 01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:50,000 assume is about Jay-Z. And there's a lot of lyrics 1667 01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:54,960 about Jay cheating. Some of the lyrics are things 1668 01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:57,440 like, OK, I just have like a bunch of phrases here. 1669 01:29:57,440 --> 01:30:00,960 I have what a wicked way to treat the girl who loves you. 1670 01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:05,280 You can taste the dishonesty. It's all over your breath. 1671 01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:08,560 Tonight I regret the night I put a ring. 1672 01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:13,560 I put that ring on and I was just wondering, what does Jay 1673 01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:14,640 think about this? Yeah. 1674 01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:20,120 It's just very interesting to me and how as a couple do they 1675 01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:23,360 navigate this, because usually when people write angry songs 1676 01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:25,920 about somebody, they're not together anymore. 1677 01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,880 It's just so interesting that they're still together. 1678 01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:32,320 It's so crazy when you hear some of the songs on that album and 1679 01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:37,400 like the female rage that you feel and like even one song, 1680 01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:38,880 she's of what's this? Oh my God. 1681 01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:41,520 I'm not going to get the lyrics right, but it's like I kind of 1682 01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:43,960 want to look up the lyrics. Yeah, yeah. 1683 01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:47,400 Go ahead. Let's imagine for a moment that 1684 01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:50,200 you never made a name for yourself or master wealth. 1685 01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:53,800 They had you labeled as a king, Never made it out the cage still 1686 01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:55,200 out there moving in them streets. 1687 01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:58,000 Never had the baddest woman in the game up in your sheets. 1688 01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:00,480 Would they be down to ride? No. 1689 01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:04,080 They used to hide from you, lie to you, But y'all know we were 1690 01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:06,480 made for each other. So I find you and hold you down. 1691 01:31:06,480 --> 01:31:09,240 It's like saying basically you wouldn't even be able to cheat 1692 01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:13,000 if you weren't with me and you weren't the big, like as big of 1693 01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:16,280 a star that you are. And I made you even bigger than 1694 01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:22,520 you are crazy. But like, I needed to be said, 1695 01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:26,000 maybe for him it's like, well, this album kind of saved our 1696 01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:28,320 marriage because she, like, needed to get this out and it 1697 01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:32,600 was therapeutic. Maybe, yeah, I because I was 1698 01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:34,000 wondering, like, what does he think about this? 1699 01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:36,760 And Vanity Fair did have an article titled What Does Jay-Z 1700 01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:39,720 Think of Lemonade? And in the article, I mean, they 1701 01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:41,680 just pulled together a lot of quotes from other places, but it 1702 01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:44,960 said Jay was involved in the creation of Lemonade and knew 1703 01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:47,840 every song BAE was going to release. 1704 01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:51,120 A source close to the couple tells E He knew the lyrics, he 1705 01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:53,760 knew the implications, he had to approve the songs before 1706 01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:56,120 release. Jay is all about 1707 01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:59,240 self-expression, so he gets it. Beyoncé shares music before it's 1708 01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:01,320 released with Jay so he can listen and share his thoughts. 1709 01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:03,920 When it comes to music, they're very in it together and 1710 01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,160 supportive of each other's craft. 1711 01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:08,720 Yeah, I mean according to this, I'm sorry. 1712 01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:11,960 According to the same person, Jay-Z also saw a personal upside 1713 01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:14,640 to the album. Jay is very smart businessman. 1714 01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:17,400 Bottom line is they're both really smart and they both saw 1715 01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:20,400 dollar signs. Oh yeah, that makes sense. 1716 01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:23,440 I mean, like, you're gonna say I could see them both as artists 1717 01:32:23,440 --> 01:32:26,360 being like we can separate our relationship and our personal 1718 01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:28,440 feelings with like the art that we're creating. 1719 01:32:28,440 --> 01:32:33,560 Maybe that was healing for them to separate their story in that 1720 01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:37,200 way and then like, it helps them move past it like they OK, well 1721 01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:39,520 we went through this like really shitty thing, but now we have 1722 01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:46,760 this really artistic and also true lucrative project that we 1723 01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:49,480 got from it, so it's worth it in the long run. 1724 01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:54,560 I do think that that would suck for him to get hate from the 1725 01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:59,200 beehive of as they call himself. But I don't think that people 1726 01:32:59,200 --> 01:33:02,760 that listen to Jay-Z and like his music would really care. 1727 01:33:02,760 --> 01:33:06,160 I don't think that it would affect his career. 1728 01:33:06,480 --> 01:33:10,480 I don't think so, in my opinion. I almost think this is weird. 1729 01:33:10,480 --> 01:33:12,600 I don't know. I was almost thinking like about 1730 01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:17,720 the stabbing story. Like, I think I hope it isn't 1731 01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:20,720 like a bad generalization, but it's like in a lot of rap songs 1732 01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:24,440 in that industry, in that scene, it's like kind of an 1733 01:33:24,440 --> 01:33:29,040 understandment that men cheat and it's talked about in a lot 1734 01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:31,360 of songs. And he does talk about it too. 1735 01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:35,080 And like, I don't know if he, I think it was a risk, but I don't 1736 01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:37,280 think that he thought that was going to like tank his. 1737 01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:40,920 Career. Yeah, I mean, I it's so 1738 01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:42,240 unfortunate. We've covered. 1739 01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:44,400 We've talked about this on the podcast many times. 1740 01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:48,800 Like, I think in a lot of male dominated spaces like rap, like 1741 01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:54,600 rock'n'roll, like sports, it is the norm and socially acceptable 1742 01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:57,200 to cheat. And it's almost like, I bet 1743 01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:01,840 maybe embarrassing if you are faithful among like in front of 1744 01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:05,120 your peers or your boys, because like everybody is just cheating 1745 01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:08,720 and like it's expected of you. I do wonder about, like the 1746 01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:13,240 extent to things went, because I do wonder, is that really the 1747 01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:15,440 only woman he cheated with? I bet not. 1748 01:34:15,440 --> 01:34:18,560 And then sometimes I do wonder, do they have some kind of 1749 01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:20,560 understanding? Yeah. 1750 01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:24,360 Because why? Maybe she is just, maybe she has 1751 01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:28,120 just completely forgiven him and they just completely moved past 1752 01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:29,840 it. And it's beautiful and glorious 1753 01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:32,840 and it was hard and everything, but like, I just, I mean, maybe 1754 01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:36,600 I'm just putting them too high on a pedestal, but I just find 1755 01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:40,640 it so hard to believe that, like these huge stars that she would 1756 01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:42,640 put up with that. And you know what I mean? 1757 01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:45,560 Like, I just wonder. Well, like that sucks. 1758 01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:47,920 It's a it's a conspiracy if they if they could have. 1759 01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:50,840 Standing like unless, like you're saying. 1760 01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:52,280 I mean like an open relationship. 1761 01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:54,920 Yeah, like if she cheats with other people too. 1762 01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:59,120 Not cheats, but like that's yeah, that's just a speculation 1763 01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:03,360 but some people do think it could be possible. 1764 01:35:03,480 --> 01:35:06,680 But I don't know. It's just an idea, but it it's 1765 01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:10,680 just hard to wrap my head around that like he could, he would do 1766 01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:14,040 that to Beyoncé. I know, You know, yeah, 1767 01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:16,680 literally. Like, she, like, she said, I 1768 01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:19,720 think, isn't there also a song where she's like, why don't you 1769 01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:21,440 see me? Everybody else does. 1770 01:35:21,440 --> 01:35:25,200 Like everybody else loves her. Like, why are you treating her 1771 01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:25,760 this way? I bet. 1772 01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:30,360 I almost wonder, though if, like, there's part of him that 1773 01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:35,040 feels inferior, like, because, you know, Obama said he's not as 1774 01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:37,560 popular as his wife, Everybody loves his wife. 1775 01:35:37,560 --> 01:35:41,360 And I think that can make some men very insecure, and what 1776 01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:46,080 might give them a temporary ego boost would be getting attention 1777 01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:51,600 from someone who is less famous, who they can easily cheat with. 1778 01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:56,120 Yeah, yeah, I think that for sure happens. 1779 01:35:57,080 --> 01:35:59,840 You know, he could be even, like, subconsciously trying to, 1780 01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:03,160 like, prove that. Like, yeah, I deserve to be with 1781 01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:06,040 the most beautiful, powerful woman on the world. 1782 01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:09,200 And, like, she is lucky to be with me because people want me 1783 01:36:09,200 --> 01:36:12,400 to, you know what I mean? Like, trying to justify it. 1784 01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:16,320 But like, a month after this album dropped, despite all the, 1785 01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:20,680 like, rage and betrayal and everything in the album, she 1786 01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:23,560 performed in Miami. And before he started the song 1787 01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:26,440 Halo, she said she dedicated to my beautiful husband. 1788 01:36:26,440 --> 01:36:28,640 I love you so much. And he was in the audience 1789 01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:32,320 watching, so they seem OK. And what I thought was 1790 01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:35,200 interesting is one of the most scathing songs in the album 1791 01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:39,280 called Love Drought. It appears to be about Jay. 1792 01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:44,080 But her Co writer, actually the the rapper Ingrid, came forward 1793 01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:47,640 and said that she wrote the lyrics and that it wasn't about 1794 01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:50,240 Jay-Z at all. The thing about that though is I 1795 01:36:50,240 --> 01:36:53,680 feel like it is still a choice to include the song on the 1796 01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:56,040 album. And so even if you didn't write 1797 01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:58,920 it, it might be like, well, these lyrics resonated with me. 1798 01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:02,960 That's true. You know the implication. 1799 01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:06,040 It will still have and so. It was interesting though, 1800 01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:11,160 because she said that the lyrics were not about Beyoncé directly, 1801 01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:17,040 but about Beyoncé's team. I guess to the lyrics of the 1802 01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:21,160 song are 10 times out of nine, I know you're lying, but nine 1803 01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:22,760 times out of 10, I know you're trying. 1804 01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:25,640 So I'm trying to be fair. Trying to be there and to care. 1805 01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:27,800 And you've caught up in your permanent emotions. 1806 01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:29,960 All the loving I've been giving goes unnoticed. 1807 01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:32,240 It's just floating in the air. Looky there. 1808 01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:33,960 Aren't you aware you're my lifeline? 1809 01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:36,320 Are you trying to kill me? If I wasn't there, would you 1810 01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:40,160 still feel me like on my worst day Or am I not thirsty enough? 1811 01:37:40,160 --> 01:37:42,240 I don't care about the lights or the beams. 1812 01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:45,160 Spend my life in the dark for the sake of you and me. 1813 01:37:45,160 --> 01:37:48,000 Only way to go is up. Skin thick, too tough. 1814 01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:51,560 So the lyrics, I guess I just was interesting that it was 1815 01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:56,160 inspired about her frustration with the label because I guess 1816 01:37:56,680 --> 01:38:01,840 Beyoncé's teams said that Beyoncé, they lied to her and 1817 01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:04,240 said she wasn't listening to any new music, like she wasn't 1818 01:38:04,240 --> 01:38:07,520 taking any songs from writers at the moment. 1819 01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:11,320 But then found out that four days later found out that she 1820 01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:16,480 was and she had been working with Beyoncé and she just felt 1821 01:38:16,480 --> 01:38:21,120 frustrated that they were like her life, lying like her work 1822 01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:24,200 and they were lying to her. And I don't know. 1823 01:38:24,200 --> 01:38:28,920 It's just it it's interesting to me that, like, connected to the 1824 01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:31,160 production of the music. But yeah, it's true. 1825 01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:34,040 Like why would Beyoncé choose to put that song on the album? 1826 01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:38,320 She definitely wanted people to think it was about Jay-Z, so. 1827 01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:43,360 But the other thing I remember at the time, people pushing back 1828 01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:46,440 on the idea that it was autobiographical or about Jay-Z 1829 01:38:46,440 --> 01:38:48,800 and saying, like, wow, this album is meant to be a 1830 01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:52,680 representation of, like, the black female experience that 1831 01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:56,120 Beyoncé is embodying and like, she's betraying. 1832 01:38:56,120 --> 01:38:58,520 Like things that black women go through. 1833 01:38:58,520 --> 01:39:00,320 And her Her dad cheated on her mom. 1834 01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:01,440 Yeah. Exactly. 1835 01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:03,480 It's like a very universal thing. 1836 01:39:03,480 --> 01:39:04,480 Yeah. I mean, I think. 1837 01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:06,600 I think Jizzy did cheat. I'm not saying he. 1838 01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:08,760 Didn't I like? She's definitely drawing on 1839 01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:10,360 personal experience. Yeah. 1840 01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:12,960 But I'm not saying he didn't at all. 1841 01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:16,480 But I'm just saying that it might not be as like line for 1842 01:39:16,480 --> 01:39:18,120 line. Yeah, you know. 1843 01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:21,160 Autobiographical, I agree. And like that's amazing. 1844 01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:25,280 Lemonade, such a great album because like it really did speak 1845 01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:27,200 to somebody. Like it was bigger than Beyoncé. 1846 01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:31,280 That's I do think it should have won album of the year that year. 1847 01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:33,320 Yeah. As Adele. 1848 01:39:33,440 --> 01:39:35,800 My friend Brittany shout out. I always talk about her. 1849 01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:41,400 She actually made CD copies of that album and gave them to all 1850 01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:43,840 of us are friends because she just thought that everybody 1851 01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:46,120 needed to hear it and she wanted to make sure that everybody 1852 01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:49,000 heard it. So I still have ACD with like a 1853 01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:52,800 homemade cover from Britney. So thank you. 1854 01:39:54,480 --> 01:39:58,480 Fiance attended the Met Gala shortly after all of this solo, 1855 01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:01,600 after releasing Lemonades. People were kind of like, oh, 1856 01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:04,000 what's going on? She's by herself. 1857 01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:08,120 But then she had that like tribute to him at her concert, 1858 01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:12,240 so they seem OK And then October 2016 he performed at the final 1859 01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:15,000 show of Beyoncé's tour. And then also in October, they 1860 01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:17,680 dressed up as Barbie and Ken for Halloween. 1861 01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:21,560 Oh, but ahead of their time. Yeah, they were ahead of their 1862 01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:23,840 time. I don't know if I have time to 1863 01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:27,840 include this, but just like more of Kanye just feeling the 1864 01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:33,680 Illuminati fire that at his show in 2016, he on stage started 1865 01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:35,960 like ranting about Beyoncé and Jay-Z. 1866 01:40:36,440 --> 01:40:38,720 And OK, maybe I'll just read it, he said. 1867 01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:41,160 Like, you know, I'm going to keep it real with you. 1868 01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:43,240 Beyoncé. I was hurt because I heard you 1869 01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:46,480 said you wouldn't perform unless you won Video of the Year over 1870 01:40:46,480 --> 01:40:49,720 me and over Hotline Bling, in my opinion. 1871 01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:51,600 Now don't go dissing Beyoncé. She's great. 1872 01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:54,080 Taylor Swift is great. We're all great people, we're 1873 01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:55,840 all equal. But sometimes we'd be playing 1874 01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:58,160 the politics too much to forget who we are just to win. 1875 01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:00,680 Fuck winning. Fuck looking cool. 1876 01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:02,280 Fuck looking cool. Fuck being cool. 1877 01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:06,440 Fuck all that bra. And then he says Jay-Z. 1878 01:41:06,440 --> 01:41:08,200 Call me bra. You still ain't called me. 1879 01:41:08,200 --> 01:41:11,200 Jay-Z Call me. I know you got killers. 1880 01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:12,640 Please don't sound them at my head. 1881 01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:15,400 Just call me, talk, talk to me like a man. 1882 01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:20,760 Oh, Kanye, he's. He does say that stuff about so 1883 01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:22,840 many people, though. He I think he was like accusing 1884 01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:25,920 Kris Jenner of stuff recently. Yeah. 1885 01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:27,880 And this was around the time that he was, like, having 1886 01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:30,520 hallucinations and was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. 1887 01:41:30,520 --> 01:41:34,120 So it's complicated. But this definitely did fuel the 1888 01:41:34,120 --> 01:41:37,440 fires even more that people are like, Oh my God, Jay-Z, he's 1889 01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:38,720 like. Illuminati. 1890 01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:40,320 He's had people killed. Yeah. 1891 01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:43,960 But I mean, I'm sure Kanye knows that people say that about him. 1892 01:41:43,960 --> 01:41:45,200 So he's like, this is going to get? 1893 01:41:45,200 --> 01:41:49,880 Attention. Yeah, so it seems like they're 1894 01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:54,440 not friends anymore. No, they probably got so annoyed 1895 01:41:54,440 --> 01:41:56,600 by him, I'm guessing. I know it's. 1896 01:41:56,600 --> 01:41:57,880 Probably hard to be friends with. 1897 01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:01,920 I know. I just thought that was 1898 01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:04,480 interesting. I wanted to mention it, but 1899 01:42:04,480 --> 01:42:06,440 yeah, they were busy. They had a lot going on. 1900 01:42:06,440 --> 01:42:08,360 They probably don't have time to, like, really care about 1901 01:42:08,360 --> 01:42:11,400 this. And they moved to LA to they 1902 01:42:11,400 --> 01:42:13,760 previously had been living primarily in New York, but they 1903 01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:16,800 moved to LA. They enrolled Blue Ivy in a 1904 01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:20,800 private school there, a school recommended by Gwyneth Paltrow. 1905 01:42:21,320 --> 01:42:23,000 Wow, They're really good friends. 1906 01:42:23,480 --> 01:42:27,240 Yeah, they are. And in December, Beyoncé threw 1907 01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:33,240 Jay a surprise birthday party. And Kelly Rowland was there too, 1908 01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:37,120 from Destiny's Child. And then 2017, it's announced 1909 01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:40,400 that Beyoncé's expecting twins. I'm sorry, I know this is going 1910 01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:42,800 along. We're almost at the end and I 1911 01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:46,200 feel like this. Could we just be speculating? 1912 01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:49,080 But I feel like to avoid the accusations again about the fake 1913 01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:53,120 pregnancy, she posted this beautiful photo of herself 1914 01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:56,800 holding her bare belly, and she has this pale green veil over 1915 01:42:56,800 --> 01:42:58,440 herself and she's surrounded by flowers. 1916 01:42:58,440 --> 01:43:02,360 It's a very beautiful picture, but she's clearly showing like, 1917 01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:06,040 yes, I'm pregnant. Yeah, here's my stomach. 1918 01:43:06,240 --> 01:43:09,360 And there were a couple other like photo shoots of her, like 1919 01:43:09,360 --> 01:43:11,080 clearly showing her stomach. So. 1920 01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:12,720 I remember where I was. It's interesting. 1921 01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:16,080 When I saw this, I was in class. Yeah, pulled up the Instagram 1922 01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:18,520 first picture. My jaw dropped. 1923 01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:22,280 I was like, Oh my God, so it's real this? 1924 01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:24,880 Time that was that, yeah. The picture was a big deal. 1925 01:43:24,920 --> 01:43:26,840 Twins. That's crazy that she's someone 1926 01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:30,240 who has given birth to twins because that's a pretty 1927 01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:32,640 dangerous pregnancy. I mean, I know a lot of people 1928 01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:38,120 do it, but like, yeah, I'm a twin, but like, oh, that takes a 1929 01:43:38,120 --> 01:43:40,760 lot out of you. I mean, I don't know for sure. 1930 01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:43,440 I was on the different end of it, so. 1931 01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:47,760 But took a lot out of you being born. 1932 01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:51,800 Well, I, you know, like a lot of times when you have twins, like 1933 01:43:51,800 --> 01:43:54,280 they're premature. They probably have to spend a 1934 01:43:54,280 --> 01:43:57,720 lot of time in the NICU and. That's a lot and. 1935 01:43:58,040 --> 01:43:59,720 It's crazy. She really does it all. 1936 01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:03,120 She does. And yeah, they were born in 1937 01:44:03,160 --> 01:44:05,800 June. Rumi and Sir. 1938 01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:09,320 I feel like we've talked about Sir on the podcast before. 1939 01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:12,760 Or was it off the mic? What a. 1940 01:44:12,760 --> 01:44:16,320 Strange name. Pretty ridiculous name, Sir. 1941 01:44:16,360 --> 01:44:19,200 Like imagine his teacher in class being like. 1942 01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:20,600 Sir. Sit down Sir. 1943 01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:26,040 Sir, Sir, listen up like. That's not we were joking about. 1944 01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:33,800 Imagine if someone was named Ma'am, Ma'am, Ma'am, Ma'am. 1945 01:44:35,640 --> 01:44:37,160 Ma'am. Very formal. 1946 01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:39,200 I don't like it. I hope he's going to. 1947 01:44:39,360 --> 01:44:43,000 Be a serious dude, Sir. I like roomy though. 1948 01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:43,840 Roomies. Cute. 1949 01:44:44,440 --> 01:44:48,080 Maybe it was spelled like SUR Sir and it was after like big 1950 01:44:48,120 --> 01:44:52,400 Sir or something. But Sir like Sir Carter it's 1951 01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:54,760 just or like it's like Mr. Sir Carter. 1952 01:44:55,080 --> 01:44:58,600 It's not a name and it's not cute. 1953 01:44:58,720 --> 01:45:00,880 It's not like. No, you need. 1954 01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:03,760 A name that's very serious. Adulthood and for childhood. 1955 01:45:04,040 --> 01:45:06,200 Yeah, roomy's cute though. Yeah, that is cute. 1956 01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:09,200 Yeah, adorable. I wonder what later on. 1957 01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:11,760 They got that roomy. Yeah, I don't know. 1958 01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:14,680 Probably could have looked into it, but I didn't. 1959 01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:21,120 Later on Jay-Z that year, he released his 13th album. 1960 01:45:21,480 --> 01:45:26,480 So much for retiring and 4:44. As I've said, four is their 1961 01:45:26,480 --> 01:45:29,480 number. And he does talk about his past 1962 01:45:29,480 --> 01:45:32,160 infidelities on the album. He says I apologize. 1963 01:45:32,160 --> 01:45:34,800 Our love was one for the ages and I contained us. 1964 01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:37,680 And if my children knew, I don't even know what I would do. 1965 01:45:37,880 --> 01:45:39,640 If they ain't look at me the same. 1966 01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:41,640 I would probably die with all the shame. 1967 01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:44,920 They probably will find out. Oh it's for sure. 1968 01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:46,800 All out there and it's in your song. 1969 01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:47,760 You're just. I. 1970 01:45:49,120 --> 01:45:51,640 Think that, like at least he's owning up to it, I guess. 1971 01:45:52,040 --> 01:45:56,080 That does really stick with children, one parent being 1972 01:45:56,120 --> 01:45:58,240 unfaithful to the other. It sucks. 1973 01:45:58,240 --> 01:46:01,160 And then I feel like kids grow up thinking, like, will that 1974 01:46:01,160 --> 01:46:03,280 happen to me or will I do the same thing? 1975 01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:07,280 Yeah, hopefully they don't hear it until they're older. 1976 01:46:07,320 --> 01:46:10,640 Yeah. In 2017, he did an interview for 1977 01:46:10,640 --> 01:46:13,920 New York Times with Dean Baquet, and I won't read the whole 1978 01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:17,920 thing, but he just, he talked about infidelity and he he 1979 01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:20,800 really brought it up. I feel like Dean wasn't even, 1980 01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:23,440 like, pressing him. He he was just pretty like open 1981 01:46:23,440 --> 01:46:27,000 about it and about making the music and how it was cathartic 1982 01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:29,280 for them. And yeah, I might just, I might 1983 01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:31,160 just skip it because it's getting wrong. 1984 01:46:31,160 --> 01:46:34,360 But he he was just very forthcoming about it. 1985 01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:38,160 And I feel like nowadays it seems like at least when I was 1986 01:46:38,160 --> 01:46:40,600 just going through all the news articles over the years, it 1987 01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:43,480 seems like he was talking about their lives. 1988 01:46:43,560 --> 01:46:46,920 Yeah, more than her. Like he was opening up a lot 1989 01:46:46,920 --> 01:46:50,560 more frequently than She really doesn't talk about her personal 1990 01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:52,800 life anymore. It's just kind of like in the 1991 01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:55,680 music, she doesn't really sit down and talk about things very 1992 01:46:55,680 --> 01:46:58,720 often anymore. Yeah, he in 2018 did an 1993 01:46:58,720 --> 01:47:01,960 interview for CNN with Fan Jones, and he once again talked 1994 01:47:01,960 --> 01:47:04,520 about cheating and said that the best apology has changed 1995 01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:08,440 behavior and that the other side is beautiful, at least for us, 1996 01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:12,440 and said that the twins were great. 1997 01:47:12,440 --> 01:47:14,480 He said we're in a beautiful time now because they're seven 1998 01:47:14,480 --> 01:47:17,680 months and they can't move. They just COO, they just COO and 1999 01:47:17,680 --> 01:47:19,440 you don't have to wait, wait, wait. 2000 01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:21,480 You know, they're not running around yet. 2001 01:47:21,680 --> 01:47:23,640 We just get to enjoy these couple of months until they 2002 01:47:23,640 --> 01:47:25,280 start running and then it's over. 2003 01:47:26,160 --> 01:47:27,600 Would you mind if I go to the bathroom again? 2004 01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:30,240 Oh yeah, go ahead. I'll be right back. 2005 01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:32,600 Maybe I will too. OK, all right. 2006 01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:33,160 I'm back. Oh. 2007 01:47:33,240 --> 01:47:35,000 My gosh, what? Sorry, this is so. 2008 01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:35,800 Long. No. 2009 01:47:35,800 --> 01:47:39,400 It's honestly like shorter than some of our other episodes. 2010 01:47:39,480 --> 01:47:42,360 Wasn't John Mayer and Taylor Swift and Taylor Swift and Joe 2011 01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:45,840 Owen like 3 hours? I think I I don't know if they 2012 01:47:45,840 --> 01:47:47,840 were officially 3 hours, but they were closed. 2013 01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:50,440 Yeah, but I I only have a page and a half left. 2014 01:47:50,440 --> 01:47:53,200 No, honestly, I think. It's, it's. 2015 01:47:53,200 --> 01:47:57,640 Shorter than I expected. Anyway, September they went to 2016 01:47:57,640 --> 01:48:01,600 Sardinia to celebrate Beyoncé's 36th birthday. 2017 01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:05,760 In an Instagram post is a very natural picture of her and Jay 2018 01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:08,200 outside. And you know, natural light 2019 01:48:08,480 --> 01:48:10,640 looked very normal with a birthday cake. 2020 01:48:10,640 --> 01:48:13,000 And in the post she revealed that they had renewed their 2021 01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:17,440 vows. So, OK, they're serious about 2022 01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:19,840 staying together. And you know, next step, 2023 01:48:20,440 --> 01:48:24,200 renewal, all of that. And a month later, they released 2024 01:48:24,200 --> 01:48:28,240 a joint album by the Carters. They called it called Everything 2025 01:48:28,240 --> 01:48:30,160 Is Love. I feel like this album wasn't 2026 01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:32,320 that huge. I didn't really hear about it. 2027 01:48:32,360 --> 01:48:36,200 Yeah, you know, it wasn't lemonade level, but there were 2028 01:48:36,200 --> 01:48:40,560 some lyrics that gave some insight into the relationship on 2029 01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:42,120 the song. Nice, she said. 2030 01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:44,720 Last name going to be here forever. 2031 01:48:44,840 --> 01:48:48,480 On the song heard about us, they said we're the ones y'all 2032 01:48:48,480 --> 01:48:50,040 worried about. We good, we good. 2033 01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:53,000 Keep us out of your mouth. If you don't know, now you know, 2034 01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:57,440 OK. And Beyoncé, also on the album, 2035 01:48:57,440 --> 01:49:00,280 said, yeah, you fucked up the first stone. 2036 01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:04,440 We had to get remarried. You did some things to me, boy. 2037 01:49:04,440 --> 01:49:06,640 You did some things to me. But love is deeper than your 2038 01:49:06,640 --> 01:49:08,480 pain. And I believe you can change. 2039 01:49:08,840 --> 01:49:10,720 Baby. The ups and downs are worth it. 2040 01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:12,840 Long way to go. But we'll work it. 2041 01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:15,520 We're flawed but we're still perfect for each other. 2042 01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:17,840 Sometimes I thought. I thought we'd never see the 2043 01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:19,960 light. Went through hell with heaven on 2044 01:49:19,960 --> 01:49:22,240 our side. The this speech ain't always no 2045 01:49:22,240 --> 01:49:25,560 been no paradise. But nightmares only last one 2046 01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:28,320 night. Very positive. 2047 01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:29,920 Yeah. I mean, I hope so. 2048 01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:33,040 I do think, like, if they went through all of that together and 2049 01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:37,160 then they're both so public about it and he's so forthcoming 2050 01:49:37,160 --> 01:49:42,440 about how he's messed up, that does instill some trust that 2051 01:49:42,440 --> 01:49:45,360 like, OK, if he like were to fuck up again after they go 2052 01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:47,480 through all of that, I I just say no. 2053 01:49:47,480 --> 01:49:50,160 It seems like there's probably like more stopping him now 2054 01:49:50,160 --> 01:49:53,280 because he like, understands the consequences more. 2055 01:49:54,080 --> 01:49:57,960 But does he, like she did, forgive him, so I'm not sure. 2056 01:49:57,960 --> 01:50:01,040 I know Sometimes I do feel, like cynical. 2057 01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:03,240 Like, is this just like the story they're telling? 2058 01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:04,680 Us. Yeah, I know. 2059 01:50:04,680 --> 01:50:08,480 I don't know. But that's the story they're 2060 01:50:08,480 --> 01:50:11,720 telling us that it seems like they're strong and they've moved 2061 01:50:11,720 --> 01:50:13,880 on and they've renewed their vows. 2062 01:50:13,880 --> 01:50:17,200 And it does seem like they're always together, like always 2063 01:50:17,200 --> 01:50:19,080 working together that like there's less. 2064 01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:21,800 Opportunities to cheat. That's true. 2065 01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:25,280 They are always together. They do prioritize their 2066 01:50:25,280 --> 01:50:27,120 relationship and like made their true. 2067 01:50:27,120 --> 01:50:28,800 Male. They're they're definitely not 2068 01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:31,480 one of those couples. It's like we rarely see each 2069 01:50:31,480 --> 01:50:34,720 other. Oh yeah, they are together a 2070 01:50:34,720 --> 01:50:36,640 lot. So that that's true, Yeah. 2071 01:50:36,640 --> 01:50:39,920 And then 2019, they're touring together again and Yep, they 2072 01:50:40,120 --> 01:50:42,200 their net worth surpasses a billion. 2073 01:50:43,240 --> 01:50:48,560 In 2021, there were were they two stories that came out about 2074 01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:54,440 Beyoncé having been with other men and they might not be true. 2075 01:50:54,440 --> 01:50:56,720 One of them is pretty innocent, actually. 2076 01:50:56,720 --> 01:51:00,680 The producer, Benny Blanco was on the Zane Lowe show, and he 2077 01:51:00,680 --> 01:51:04,240 told a story about how he once accidentally kissed Bey Beyoncé 2078 01:51:04,240 --> 01:51:06,960 on the lips when he meant to kiss her goodbye on the cheek, 2079 01:51:07,240 --> 01:51:10,000 and that Jay-Z was right there and he was terrified. 2080 01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:12,280 He says that no one noticed. No one said anything. 2081 01:51:12,320 --> 01:51:13,600 No. Yeah, she's not cheating with 2082 01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:15,400 him. No, he's. 2083 01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:16,640 I thought that was just funny. Yeah. 2084 01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:20,640 Then there's this other story, and this is actually has kind of 2085 01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:22,240 a trail to it. There's a lot of stories about 2086 01:51:22,240 --> 01:51:25,680 her having something with the rapper Sean Paul. 2087 01:51:26,160 --> 01:51:28,560 But it might have been like so long ago, like back in the 2088 01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:32,440 beginning of their relationship when they maybe weren't even 2089 01:51:32,440 --> 01:51:35,800 official or I don't know. But they did do a song together, 2090 01:51:35,800 --> 01:51:39,360 baby boy. And Sean Paul was on a radio 2091 01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:42,160 show when he talked about, he claimed that Jay wasn't 2092 01:51:42,160 --> 01:51:45,120 comfortable with his collaboration with Beyoncé on 2093 01:51:45,120 --> 01:51:47,680 Baby Boy because he didn't like them spending time together. 2094 01:51:47,680 --> 01:51:50,280 And he's clarified. And he said it was a radio show 2095 01:51:50,280 --> 01:51:52,360 here in Jamaica. And I get this regularly. 2096 01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:54,080 I don't know what it is people are like. 2097 01:51:54,240 --> 01:51:55,960 So tell me. And it gets to that part in the 2098 01:51:55,960 --> 01:51:57,840 interview where they're like, what happened with you and 2099 01:51:57,840 --> 01:51:59,840 Beyoncé? Nothing really happened. 2100 01:52:00,200 --> 01:52:04,320 The hit song was dope. And then he went on to mean what 2101 01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:06,880 he meant by nothing really happened. 2102 01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:10,040 And he said, you know some of them made-up their own mind that 2103 01:52:10,280 --> 01:52:12,840 that's the whatever. Sometimes with interviews you 2104 01:52:12,840 --> 01:52:14,440 can say I'd rather not speak about it. 2105 01:52:14,440 --> 01:52:16,560 And then people think something was going on. 2106 01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:19,280 So I was trying to defend it like, hey, Nah, but weird things 2107 01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:23,520 did happen. Yeah, because that's probably 2108 01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:25,760 why there were rumors. But people leave out. 2109 01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:29,960 That's probably the rumors part. And the weird he then he he got 2110 01:52:29,960 --> 01:52:32,480 he like created a mess because then people were like, what do 2111 01:52:32,480 --> 01:52:35,080 you mean by weird things happen And there was like something 2112 01:52:35,080 --> 01:52:38,520 about the music or whatever. So I don't really know what was 2113 01:52:38,520 --> 01:52:40,120 going on with that. I don't think he's. 2114 01:52:40,360 --> 01:52:43,080 For attention, Yeah, it seems like it. 2115 01:52:43,080 --> 01:52:44,920 I I agree. I don't know why. 2116 01:52:44,920 --> 01:52:49,160 Like at around this time it was like within the same month both 2117 01:52:49,160 --> 01:52:51,320 of these stories came out. But I think people are probably 2118 01:52:51,320 --> 01:52:52,760 just trying to. Yeah. 2119 01:52:52,920 --> 01:52:58,240 Stir up controversy, You know, probably nothing happened. 2022 2120 01:52:58,240 --> 01:53:02,720 Beyoncé released her Renaissance album, which is very much like a 2121 01:53:02,720 --> 01:53:05,680 club dance, more like electronic type album. 2122 01:53:05,680 --> 01:53:12,240 And I mean, I don't really go to clubs, so I haven't heard it as 2123 01:53:12,240 --> 01:53:13,360 much. But people have talked about how 2124 01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:16,120 like at the club they'll just play this whole album straight 2125 01:53:16,120 --> 01:53:18,520 through and how you never see that. 2126 01:53:18,520 --> 01:53:21,240 And it's it's it's been such a monumental album. 2127 01:53:21,240 --> 01:53:26,040 And she did not win album of the year again at the Grammys. 2128 01:53:26,040 --> 01:53:28,120 And Jay-Z was really upset about that. 2129 01:53:28,120 --> 01:53:29,560 Yeah. And was kind of like speaking 2130 01:53:29,560 --> 01:53:31,400 about it. And I just got to say, this 2131 01:53:31,400 --> 01:53:33,920 might be controversial, but I just don't care. 2132 01:53:34,200 --> 01:53:36,160 Yeah. Because Beyoncé has won 32 2133 01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:38,960 Grammys. She's won every, like more 2134 01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:43,680 Grammys than anybody else. Yeah, she's never won album. 32 2135 01:53:43,680 --> 01:53:46,880 But who cares? But so many people have never 2136 01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:49,280 won a single Grammy. Bob Marley never won a Grammy. 2137 01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:52,200 Jimi Hendrix never won a Grammy ABBA Queen. 2138 01:53:52,360 --> 01:53:53,840 I made a list. The Who? 2139 01:53:53,880 --> 01:53:56,680 The Beach Boys, The Beatles only won seven Grammys. 2140 01:53:56,720 --> 01:53:59,920 Like I just don't. Care also sounds like, I just 2141 01:53:59,920 --> 01:54:01,640 like don't care about the Grammys in general. 2142 01:54:01,640 --> 01:54:03,880 I think it's like I think it's like cringe when some 2143 01:54:03,880 --> 01:54:06,400 celebrities like Taylor Swift and people are obsessed with the 2144 01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:08,400 Grammys. Like, OK, it's just whatever 2145 01:54:08,400 --> 01:54:13,600 Music is popular, and it's entirely subjective. 2146 01:54:13,600 --> 01:54:16,440 It's not it's it's even like worse than the Oscars. 2147 01:54:16,440 --> 01:54:19,080 Like it's like. It oh, it's way worse. 2148 01:54:19,080 --> 01:54:22,360 It has not a lot of merit in my opinion. 2149 01:54:22,640 --> 01:54:25,760 I mean, at least the Oscars, they, I feel like it is legit 2150 01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:29,760 because they do reward movies that no one's really seen. 2151 01:54:30,240 --> 01:54:32,480 Yeah. So I think that people are 2152 01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:35,160 actually voting for what they think is best in their industry. 2153 01:54:35,160 --> 01:54:38,960 But yeah, I mean, she has 32. I do. 2154 01:54:38,960 --> 01:54:41,360 It just seems poor taste of him to keep talking. 2155 01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:43,720 I don't know. I do think that. 2156 01:54:44,480 --> 01:54:46,960 And also I feel like Beyoncé probably doesn't want him to. 2157 01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:49,240 Like, I feel she doesn't really like when people are like 2158 01:54:49,240 --> 01:54:51,120 advocating for her on her behalf. 2159 01:54:51,120 --> 01:54:54,760 And yeah, I agree, like kind of undermining other people. 2160 01:54:54,760 --> 01:54:58,200 But I mean, I do think Renaissance probably should have 2161 01:54:58,200 --> 01:55:01,600 beat Harry's house. Harry Styles, I do feel like I 2162 01:55:01,600 --> 01:55:03,760 actually don't listen to Renaissance that often. 2163 01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:05,600 There's a couple songs on there that I like. 2164 01:55:05,600 --> 01:55:10,680 But like you said, it sounds like it was huge in clubs and 2165 01:55:10,680 --> 01:55:13,600 like the concert. Well, actually it's, they're not 2166 01:55:13,600 --> 01:55:16,560 judging it off the concert. So I don't know, it's tough. 2167 01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:18,120 I think it did have a bigger impact. 2168 01:55:18,120 --> 01:55:20,000 Probably than Harry Styles album. 2169 01:55:20,760 --> 01:55:24,440 Same with lemonade. Even though Adele's album people 2170 01:55:24,440 --> 01:55:28,080 really like, but I don't know, I think for Jay-Z he was like 2171 01:55:28,080 --> 01:55:33,800 speaking to the Grammys generally don't reward like 2172 01:55:33,800 --> 01:55:36,200 black artists or more hip hop artists as much. 2173 01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:39,720 The album of the year for. Album of the year specifically. 2174 01:55:39,720 --> 01:55:43,360 But yeah, like you said, Beyoncé has so many Grammys that it just 2175 01:55:43,360 --> 01:55:47,240 kind of seemed almost like he was embarrassing her a little 2176 01:55:47,240 --> 01:55:49,520 bit by talking about that on stage. 2177 01:55:49,840 --> 01:55:51,920 Yeah, like she was looking at her. 2178 01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:57,280 She was like like, OK, yeah. I I. 2179 01:55:57,760 --> 01:56:00,600 It is interesting that he said some of you don't belong in the 2180 01:56:00,600 --> 01:56:03,120 category I I like looking at the whole list. 2181 01:56:03,120 --> 01:56:04,840 I was like, who is he talking about? 2182 01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:06,440 Oh, who do? You think? 2183 01:56:06,440 --> 01:56:09,200 I don't know. Like maybe boy genius. 2184 01:56:09,760 --> 01:56:12,440 You guys know I love Phoebe Bridger's music. 2185 01:56:12,440 --> 01:56:16,280 I and I I like all three of those are I I do like boy Genius 2186 01:56:16,280 --> 01:56:17,960 like their EPA lot. But I agree. 2187 01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:21,040 Yeah, I agree. If that's I don't think they 2188 01:56:21,040 --> 01:56:24,320 should have been nominated for best. 2189 01:56:24,400 --> 01:56:25,560 I didn't think that album was like. 2190 01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:28,960 Maybe Miley Cyrus for endless summer vacation. 2191 01:56:29,160 --> 01:56:30,680 Maybe. I don't know. 2192 01:56:30,680 --> 01:56:32,720 Better hope he's not talking about Lana Del Rey. 2193 01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:37,760 I don't think so. No, probably not. 2194 01:56:37,760 --> 01:56:40,200 Talking about Taylor Swift. Maybe. 2195 01:56:40,360 --> 01:56:42,800 Could be probably. Not how do I see the list. 2196 01:56:42,800 --> 01:56:44,200 How do I find the list of albums? 2197 01:56:44,240 --> 01:56:47,200 I just like to have Album of the Year 2024 nominees. 2198 01:56:47,200 --> 01:56:50,720 Sizza for SOS Olivia Rodrigo Guts. 2199 01:56:51,080 --> 01:56:52,840 How many? How many albums are in the 2200 01:56:52,840 --> 01:56:53,800 category? Let. 2201 01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:56,640 Me see if. Some of you shouldn't be in the 2202 01:56:56,640 --> 01:56:59,240 category. Oh my God, that. 2203 01:56:59,240 --> 01:57:04,600 Was ballsy. He said that there was 123-4568 2204 01:57:04,600 --> 01:57:07,000 people nominated or 8 artists nominated. 2205 01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:11,880 It was Jon Baptiste, World Music Radio, The Record Boy Genius, 2206 01:57:12,360 --> 01:57:14,680 Endless Summer Vacation, Miley Cyrus. 2207 01:57:14,800 --> 01:57:17,320 Did you know there's a tunnel Under Ocean Blvd. 2208 01:57:17,320 --> 01:57:21,640 Lana Del Rey, The Age of Pleasure, Janelle Monáe Guts. 2209 01:57:21,640 --> 01:57:27,800 Olivia Rodrigo Midnight's Taylor Swift SOS Scissor who does not 2210 01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:30,720 belong in the category. It's so subjective. 2211 01:57:31,600 --> 01:57:34,520 Anyway, yeah. Then there was recently an 2212 01:57:34,520 --> 01:57:35,560 article. I just thought it was 2213 01:57:35,640 --> 01:57:38,560 interesting that Jay-Z revealed that Blue Ivy's name was 2214 01:57:38,560 --> 01:57:43,120 originally going to be Brooklyn. And he said that was the name we 2215 01:57:43,120 --> 01:57:45,120 had in theory. But when we got the little 2216 01:57:45,120 --> 01:57:47,440 sonograms, you know, they're super small. 2217 01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:48,880 And we were calling her Blueberry. 2218 01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:51,720 It was just a nickname for nine months we were like, look at 2219 01:57:51,720 --> 01:57:53,640 little Blueberry. And then we just took the Berry 2220 01:57:53,640 --> 01:57:56,320 off and called her Blue. Oh, that's cute. 2221 01:57:56,320 --> 01:58:00,640 I mean, I do still think it is very odd that his ex was named 2222 01:58:00,640 --> 01:58:03,520 Blue, but maybe he wasn't even thinking about that. 2223 01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:05,280 I know. I don't think they were that 2224 01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:06,120 serious. Yeah. 2225 01:58:07,520 --> 01:58:11,520 Sorry to Blue Cattrall. I think her name was. 2226 01:58:11,520 --> 01:58:13,320 That is cute. Maybe he wasn't. 2227 01:58:14,120 --> 01:58:17,400 I do think of Blues clues like it is really a cute. 2228 01:58:17,400 --> 01:58:19,880 It is, I think. I think blue is a good one. 2229 01:58:20,240 --> 01:58:22,120 It's creative, but it's still cute. 2230 01:58:22,160 --> 01:58:25,840 And it it sounds like a name. Yeah, works. 2231 01:58:26,520 --> 01:58:29,920 But yeah, that's actually like the end of my timeline. 2232 01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:34,400 I mean, Beyoncé's going country, Jay-Z doing his business stuff, 2233 01:58:34,400 --> 01:58:38,840 but they're still together. They're still pretty solid. 2234 01:58:39,320 --> 01:58:41,840 They're older now. I mean, he's 54. 2235 01:58:42,760 --> 01:58:43,960 Mom. Yeah, I hope. 2236 01:58:43,960 --> 01:58:46,080 They seem, I think they seem good. 2237 01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:48,400 Right now, they do seem very united. 2238 01:58:49,240 --> 01:58:50,600 Yes. Is that one of your words? 2239 01:58:50,600 --> 01:58:53,480 They do it's, it's strong. Strong, yeah. 2240 01:58:53,600 --> 01:59:01,640 They seem like a strong power couple, like they've weathered 2241 01:59:01,640 --> 01:59:06,920 the storm and that they're stronger for what they've gone 2242 01:59:06,920 --> 01:59:08,600 through. At least that's what they want 2243 01:59:08,600 --> 01:59:10,960 us to believe. I would have a very hard time if 2244 01:59:10,960 --> 01:59:14,600 someone had cheated on me ever, ever trusting them ever again, 2245 01:59:14,920 --> 01:59:19,040 because I feel like that is traumatizing, But it is. 2246 01:59:19,040 --> 01:59:22,360 I'm happy for them. Don't often see people work 2247 01:59:22,360 --> 01:59:25,840 through that. Yeah, I think this show this is, 2248 01:59:25,880 --> 01:59:29,000 it's definitely. An exception, and I feel like 2249 01:59:29,400 --> 01:59:32,840 the art is like what helped them get through it, that they could 2250 01:59:32,840 --> 01:59:36,120 like remove themselves from it, create something and then. 2251 01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:37,960 Yeah. Put that out there. 2252 01:59:39,080 --> 01:59:43,240 And she just seems really strong and like she does have her mind 2253 01:59:43,240 --> 01:59:47,160 looking forward. And she is very ambitious. 2254 01:59:47,160 --> 01:59:49,880 And I think not just about her career but also about her 2255 01:59:50,720 --> 01:59:54,800 marriage and about her family. And I think that she just 2256 01:59:54,800 --> 01:59:59,560 doesn't give up. And yeah, but I think I hope 2257 01:59:59,560 --> 02:00:01,920 that he really has. And he's talked about like he's 2258 02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:04,760 been to therapy and so it seems like he has been doing the work. 2259 02:00:04,800 --> 02:00:07,240 Yeah. So hopefully that's true. 2260 02:00:07,240 --> 02:00:12,040 I mean, that would suck to lose Beyoncé after everything, so I 2261 02:00:12,040 --> 02:00:14,360 wish I'm nothing but the best. But if they broke up, I would 2262 02:00:14,360 --> 02:00:15,600 definitely pick. Her. 2263 02:00:15,720 --> 02:00:17,000 Me too. Me too. 2264 02:00:18,400 --> 02:00:21,520 He definitely had some eyebrow raising moments throughout this 2265 02:00:21,520 --> 02:00:22,320 story. Yeah. 2266 02:00:23,480 --> 02:00:27,480 Should we say Odd they stay Together 5050? 2267 02:00:28,040 --> 02:00:29,800 Oh, which is? Yeah, pretty high for a 2268 02:00:29,800 --> 02:00:32,960 celebrity couple, I'll say. Yeah, I'll say 60. 2269 02:00:33,000 --> 02:00:35,760 Yeah, just because it's been so long. 2270 02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:38,040 And plus, I do have a billion dollars. 2271 02:00:38,040 --> 02:00:40,480 Like, that would be a messy divorce. 2272 02:00:41,560 --> 02:00:42,920 Yeah. You do wonder in those 2273 02:00:42,920 --> 02:00:45,400 situations, like I guess you were saying, like if they could 2274 02:00:45,400 --> 02:00:48,160 have an agreement, like you get to a point where you're so 2275 02:00:48,160 --> 02:00:51,240 powerful. It's just. 2276 02:00:51,240 --> 02:00:52,760 You're just like Better Together. 2277 02:00:53,600 --> 02:00:56,520 It's almost like a royal couple. They seem that way. 2278 02:00:56,520 --> 02:00:59,480 I mean, they are just people at the end of the day, but it 2279 02:00:59,480 --> 02:01:02,360 sometimes just seems that way. Things might things might be 2280 02:01:02,360 --> 02:01:04,040 different for people like that. I don't know. 2281 02:01:04,320 --> 02:01:09,680 I'm sure. Anyway, that's that's Fiance and 2282 02:01:09,680 --> 02:01:13,200 Jay-Z. Thank you for listening. 2283 02:01:13,600 --> 02:01:16,080 Thank you, Kelly, for I've always seen this episode. 2284 02:01:16,080 --> 02:01:19,120 This was so entertaining and I know it was a long one and you 2285 02:01:19,120 --> 02:01:22,360 were nervous, but it was so engaging throughout the whole 2286 02:01:22,360 --> 02:01:25,520 episode. It was great and it'll be a 2287 02:01:25,520 --> 02:01:28,440 great episode. You were a great listener and 2288 02:01:28,800 --> 02:01:32,480 host. So can you tease our next 2289 02:01:32,480 --> 02:01:36,000 episode? Next episode. 2290 02:01:36,160 --> 02:01:41,040 I would be very surprised if somebody guessed this, but I 2291 02:01:41,040 --> 02:01:42,920 wanted to do something more historic. 2292 02:01:42,920 --> 02:01:47,880 It's kind of been a while and I was really feeling the Wild West 2293 02:01:48,760 --> 02:01:50,400 maybe. I think I was influenced by 2294 02:01:50,400 --> 02:01:53,160 several things, but maybe slightly influenced by Beyoncé's 2295 02:01:53,160 --> 02:01:58,200 song. So this episode is a couple from 2296 02:01:58,200 --> 02:02:03,280 the old Wild West, Old West, and you may have heard of one of 2297 02:02:03,280 --> 02:02:06,720 these people. I think one of these people they 2298 02:02:06,760 --> 02:02:10,320 named drop giddy up them in The Parent Trap. 2299 02:02:10,600 --> 02:02:16,840 Oh Yep, you heard it. That's our hint. 2300 02:02:16,840 --> 02:02:18,880 That's it, I think. A major hint. 2301 02:02:20,560 --> 02:02:23,080 That's something. Like, I just, like, did it all 2302 02:02:23,080 --> 02:02:26,960 right. I don't even remember that part. 2303 02:02:27,400 --> 02:02:31,640 Yeah, I think they don't. But I think it's going to be 2304 02:02:31,640 --> 02:02:33,640 fun. It's going to be a good vibe. 2305 02:02:33,800 --> 02:02:37,560 So thank you guys for listening. Yeah. 2306 02:02:37,880 --> 02:02:41,080 And we will get back together next week. 2307 02:02:41,200 --> 02:02:45,640 Bye. Is your heart filled with pain? 2308 02:02:47,400 --> 02:02:57,320 Shall I come back again? Tell me, dear.