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Yeah, what would being Rusty, even mean, like, can't talk.
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Yeah, I'm not always a performer, I'm not always loose,
you know? Yeah, well we're gonna be today.
We are talking about Gwyneth Paltrow and Brad Pitt.
Some people might not know. People in their 20s and younger
might not know that they were even together and they might not
know that they were engaged. Wait, you saw me that but I
completely forgot it right now. Yeah, they were planning to
spend the rest of their lives together.
That's a big deal. It is a big getting engaged is a
big, big deal. Big.
It's a big one and breaking off an engagement.
I've never actually known someone to do that in real life.
No one person and I love her. If she's listening, well, I
think it is a very tough thing to do.
But yeah, Brave thing to do and I think anyone who does it is
doing the right thing. Probably.
Yes. Because if you're having any
doubts you should call it off. Probably.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean I've never been engaged so I'm sure they're I'm sure
everyone has like a little bit of doubt, you know.
Should I do it? Like maybe I could be totally
wrong but like no. You know, I could see me be a
little Jitters like, oh my God, but then, I think you think
about your partner and you're like, okay, yes, this is the
right thing, mmm-hmm. But if you are like me, who I
really am not looking forward to this, then.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, it's a big deal. It's like you get engaged just
because you think you're gonna spend the rest of your life with
someone? Yeah.
Like to me, it's like, yeah, we're basically getting married
when you get engaged. Because you say you want to get
married. It's interesting.
I was actually talking about this with a friend the other day
like you know how couples will talk about getting engaged.
Yeah. And sometimes we talk about it
very seriously they're like we're gonna get engaged this
summer. I know it's like why not just do
it now? Yeah, I totally agree.
Okay. If you like already have a plan
that you're gonna get engaged. Aren't you technically engaged?
Yeah I know you know yeah I wouldn't telling everyone.
Yeah I'm good. That's kind of odd to 1.
Then when it's just, so definitely.
Mmm. It's just you don't have the
proposal like you're engaged for the other proposal and that is
interesting when people are engaged for years like Oprah.
Yeah, like 30 years, it's so interesting.
Yeah. What does that mean, what does
it mean to be a fiance? Yeah, long, you know, I know
fiance, it's just, it's such a different term from
boyfriend-girlfriend. Spouse.
Yeah. Brad Pitt has been engaged four
times in his life. Wow, yeah.
And married twice. I guess.
Gwyneth Paltrow. Three times three times.
Yeah, I know. Wow, Showbiz these actors.
What the hell myself 0? Why do you think we're going to
get into the story has been? Why do I think it is the actors
and singers other celebrities, you know, have so many
marriages. What is up with that?
Well, I'm going to say a few things, okay?
I think, first of all, if you're an actor, I mean, you're hooking
up with people all the time. Making out with people being,
you know, getting into character, psychologically
falling in love, with different people on style.
Yeah, I would imagine that's like hard psychologically.
Yeah, even though, you know, it's your job, you're having a
rough day and you're like, making out with a good-looking
person. I would imagine that would like
lead you to Temptation because then it makes physical cheating.
Feel like no big deal. You're so right.
You know what I mean? Yeah, because you are physically
doing it even if maybe mentally, it's not there.
But then what if it starts to be mentally there exactly.
If you fall in love with your co-star, just in your head, and
they start making With them in a scene.
Yeah, I wouldn't. You still feel feelings?
Yeah, I could see that happening, honestly.
Mmm. Oh, yeah, I think because
everyone in Hollywood is so good looking out.
I wouldn't ya develop crushes on like, literally everybody, and
then they go to parties. So often, mmm, they're drinking.
Think like, remember when we did the robin Kristin episode
forever ago, on our other podcast, they went to things
like three times a week, four times a week, maybe the events.
It's in, everyone's all dressed up.
It's probably an open bar and everyone's just throwing
themselves at them. They always have options.
And that's the thing that about kind of dating apps, which I've
said before, I don't think this obviously applies to a lot of
people but I think dating apps often give people a little bit
of the like celebrity Factor where You don't really feel as
motivated to may be tough out relationship.
When you're like well there's like 40 50 people at the palm of
my hands so I could meet up with instead so true.
Yeah, yeah. I bet a lot of them, don't try
to tough it out. Because, yeah, this is a
beautiful celebrity around the corner.
And the other thing too is why I think they often like get
engaged and married at like a faster rate than I think normal
people is because They are living such fast live, that it's
probably hard to get excited by normal thing.
That's true. They probably need those big
things like an engagement or getting married to like feel
something. It's kind of sad but yeah,
they're bored bad girl. Yeah.
So yeah, should I start? Yes, story story, Brad Pitt and
Gwyneth Paltrow. Joe.
Oh, do you want to ask me the question?
Yes. How would you describe this?
Couple in three words. I I premeditated on this one.
So I am ready. I wrote loving em equable.
Nice and dedicated. Okay.
Hmm. Sweet.
That sounds healthy. Yeah.
And just so, you guys know I'm talking today about, you know,
Brad and Gwyneth of the Past mmm in their 20s and such this isn't
the 90s. So I can't really, I'm not
talking about Brad and Angelina today and like their drama and
stuff. Like I really don't know what
much about that. So you know, I get all giggly
and stuff about Brad being good-looking.
I'm talking about Brad pass. He still is good.
Like yeah, I don't know. There's like weirdness today,
you know. Yeah, going on here.
So I don't know enough about the brand engineer stuff, but I
think it's like not great. Yeah, that is a different
episode and I was thinking, oh my gosh I know a lot of people
don't like going to thought Joe Kelly why picking people that
people hate what was top center of the word to mean of those in
a row? Yeah I think when it is
interesting person I don't really I don't know how I feel
about her. It's also how I feel about her
doesn't really matter. Yeah guys feel about her.
Hmm But she's Sitting and she was pretty different back then.
Like this is way before goop and all that, you know, she was
still, this is when they start, she's like an up-and-coming
actress, very different, but it's just crazy that Brad.
He's been in three, huge couples.
Yeah. And we are going to cover the
other couples, guys, don't worry.
I know, I feel bad because people have message just like
you should do Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston and we will But
I think it's nice to cover the early ones.
First to give us that context going into those other episodes.
I feel like if we did the reverse, it would seem like
we've run out of ideas or something.
Yeah, scraping the bottom of the barrel.
Exactly Gwyneth Paltrow. But this isn't that bottom of
the barrel type of thing. It's actually pretty
interesting. Actually, it's a big deal, the
time we have a huge couple 90s. Yeah.
People love them. I wash like this video of Brad.
Add on Oprah around the same time and I don't think it's like
relevant to the relationship, so, I didn't have anything from
it, but all the women in the crowd were like, freaking out.
Yeah. They were like screaming and
just like losing it and over. I even seem like really excited,
like, Brad Pitt. Oh my God, he is, he's even now
he's still Like guys, a beautiful man, and I was talking
about this with Charlie that. I feel like Brad Pitt is one of
those guys that women love and Men love to, you know, I think
so too. You know, he just captures
everyone but yeah, he was with Gwyneth Paltrow big relationship
then as you guys know, Jennifer Aniston than Angelina Jolie.
So he's gonna come up again for sure.
But yeah, Brad and Gwyneth were together from 1994 to 97.
But same with like our other relationships, there's a lot of
stuff that comes out later on about their relationship, you
know. Even like the 2000.
Yeah. Them talking about it more so
it's gonna go past that. Yeah, but okay, back story time
Brad, Brad was born, December 18th 1963 so he's 58 today.
Wow, still looks great in Shawnee, Oklahoma, His full name
is William, Bradley Pitt, mmm, middle name.
I didn't know that, I didn't know that his father owned a
trucking company, and his mother was a school counselor and they
moved to Missouri when he was pretty young and his younger
brother and sister were born there and they were raised
Southern Baptist. Mmm.
So they were you know like pretty normal people in the
midwest you know going to church his dad owned A trucking
company. So I feel like they probably had
a good amount of money but still, it's like a trucking
company. Yeah, blue collar and this is
really random but apparently he is ninth cousins with Barack
Obama. Wow, that's crazy.
Distantly related. Yeah, it's like from Obama's
mother's side, they probably didn't know that.
It's so funny, like the articles about it, we're like, put
pictures of them side by side. It's like, okay, they don't
really look alive. No.
But I mean, neither cousins is like, yeah, you could be nice
cousins with anybody. I know my parents say we are
distantly related to the Baldwin's like Alec Baldwin, who
threw my Dads Moms. Oh, really?
Yeah. Oh, wow.
Know if it's really. How do they know that?
I have to ask my mom. I because my mom's Sorry, my
Dads Moms. One of her size of the family is
very old. Like they, I think they came on
the Mayflower and I think some of the Baldwin's family was also
like on the Mayflower or something.
I don't know. I could be totally wrong but he
only Bieber now that's going to be in your Wikipedia articles on
by hail Aviva, you spread a rumor that were cousins of Pete.
Davidson fully believe that spread our room where we just
felt like I still feel like we are related to him.
Somehow. I know I do is I feel like we
look like Pete Davidson keine. Yeah, he seems like our cousin
he does. And we've man we thought he was
forging. Yeah.
But he's not no evidence to suggest it he yeah, yeah.
So Peter cousin. Yeah, I've still feel like in my
bones that Pete Davidson is really, I mean I'll see you grew
up in Stein Island, that's not too far away from people like
moved here and then just kind of stayed here.
You know. I think we should do a blood
test which she did then. Yeah, I mean Kaitlyn as an
insult that I looked like Pete Davidson's.
So I mean, that means it's real. Yeah.
I mean sometimes are truly what I don't wear makeup, I look so
much like dancing but I To endearing I because I do think
he. Yeah, he's kind of cute kind of
cute. Yes.
Um, back to Brad. Brad Pitt guys, he's really
good. Yeah, he's really cute.
Um, when he was in high school he went to Kickapoo High School
cute name. He sounds like he was kind of, I
mean I'm sure he was coolish like had friends but he
definitely wasn't like the stud. We imagine anything because He
played tennis, he did golf and swimming, you know, those aren't
like. Yeah, I mean doesn't give me.
It could be cool it could be a popular kid doing all those
things. He also did Key Club in
forensics Club less so and I think he did some acting too.
So please, I don't know after high school, he went to
University of Missouri and majored in journalism with a
focus on Advertising, but two weeks before graduating well, he
left universe. It moved to LA to take acting
lessons to wait, before graduating?
Yeah, isn't that insane? Like he didn't graduate.
Yeah. Why didn't you just wait two
weeks? I keep thinking about this.
And like, if my friend said like, uh, I'm thinking of
dropping out and there's two weeks left, I would be owner
concerned about the yeah. I'd have an intervention because
I mean it dude, really worked out, but that's really worked
out for him. It's yeah, what, two weeks left
and also, it's not like he left too.
To because you got cast in something, you're taking acting
classes, that will happen again. I know maybe he like knew he was
gonna fail or something and he finish but still, that is nuts
and I don't know. For some reason I imagine he
wasn't that bad at school if he did all these clubs and stuff
but I could be wrong. Um yeah so he left you went to
LA and was taking lessons and to support himself, he did really
random jobs like he drove strippers and limo As in he
moved refrigerators and he dresses a giant chicken working
for El Pollo Loco. Which I think I remember seeing
in like a chain, so he was really roughing it, I think
working to become an actor. He did a lot of small TV roles
in movies as like everybody does.
Well most people not really Gwyneth.
Yeah for four years until his breakout role in Thelma and
Louise and 1991. So He was four years because I
think he's like around 819. I think he was around 28, when
Thelma and Louise came out, that was like his big break and
apparently, he made six thousand dollars for that, which doesn't
seem like a lot. No.
But nowadays, he makes like 10 million plus for movie 30
million, like, yeah, I'm saying. So you don't have to put that.
I wonder if you put it in the inflation calendar, what 6,000
is today. I wonder you guys can pause and
do it. It's probably a lot more.
About still don't think it would be a lot.
Yeah and I read this was a New York Times thing that Brad has
something called prosopagnosia. Heard this think have heard it
has like an inability to recognize faces.
Yeah, facial blind. Yeah.
That call out. Yeah.
It's like a neural neurological disorder and he said that it's
so severe that he often wants to stay home and I guess people
that have this can become really like anxious and depressed
because their social interactions are so difficult.
And I was reading all the comments and all these people
were, like, I have this too, it's horrible.
People always think I'm rude to them but I just can't recognize
faces and they said that they try to focus on other things,
like voice or walking style. Wow I think I somewhat have
that. I really remember when I ran
into Caitlin and Shannon two weeks apart from each other, my
own cousins who I love dearly loved them both on the street
and we'll Caitlin I saw in the subway.
You recognize them really. Either them till they said
something to me, I wonder if it can look very.
I was wondering what this was. I don't know much about it.
Anyone losing has it been? I want to interview you to learn
about it but when he sees Angelina yeah.
Does he recognize her or every time?
Is he like, oh, this is the new face.
I know. Yeah.
We're isn't you're really right. No, no.
Like, I look at you. I know you are obviously, but if
I see someone in public, I'm not expecting to see.
I don't Aunt, maybe you have a little bit of nice because I
remember you saying, you were like I feel like I wouldn't
recognize a celebrity on the street tell you what?
Yeah. But then you did I know.
Yes. True.
So I don't know. But yeah, me too.
I bet I mean I didn't give you a spectrum.
Like, everything is Spectrum. So that's the thing about Brad
and it just made me wonder because like, I feel like things
if it is really bad. This condition, he has.
It makes me wonder because he's talked about like, drinking too
much and stuff. Like I wonder if that could
contribute to it at all. Feels awkward.
All the time. I don't know.
So, okay, 1989. He was actually engaged to
someone else who this actress. Jill schoelen.
I hope I said that right, who was his co-star in the movie
cutting class. Hmm, I watch that trailer today.
Yeah, they were engaged with the Months until she started dating
the director of another movie and she dumped Brad.
Wow. He's okay.
He's dated a lot of people. Hmm, a lot of people.
He did a Christina Applegate. I remember that.
And apparently she ditched him for another guy.
Halfway through the hill TV movie awards.
Yeah, and this is real, like he said it, she has said it like
it's a real bad boy through the award show.
She just like laugh. Is someone else?
Oh my God, that's You crazy and she's like, I feel bad.
Obviously probably wasn't that serious?
No, yeah. How about you leave?
Brad Pitt? I know.
She was like, all these people are breaking up with him, you
know, it makes me wonder. What is he?
What is his deal? I know to.
Is he coming on too strong or something?
Yeah. Personality-wise is there
something that something's weird here?
She also dated eg daily, the voice of Tommy Pickles.
Are you saying yes? Oh yeah.
I think she realizes other characters too.
Oh my God, I also dated Juliette Lewis who was Mozart.
Okay, he keeps hitting co-stars also.
Either he has no self-control or these are PR or something like
Brad, what? Hmm.
Heck and I read, I don't know if this is true, but I read it in a
couple different places that he had a fling, a secret fling with
Geena Davis, during Domino Louise but oh, well never know.
And I'll leave off there now for Gwyneth Paltrow.
She was born September 27th 1972.
So now she's 49 and she's nine years younger than Brad.
Well she was born in Los Angeles and she has a very different
upbringing Brad's her. Father was a TV, producer Bruce
Paltrow, he produced shows like st.
Elsewhere, which I've heard of but I've never watched it and
her mother was Blythe Danner a Tony award-winning stage
actress. And when she was young, she was
inspired by her mother on stage and always knew she wanted to
act. Hm, Queen has had her first on
stage role at age five. She has a brother too and when
she's 11, the family moved to New York City and she attended
Spence school which is a prestigious girl school and
Upper East Side rich girl I know and apparently Emmy Rossum and
Kerry Washington went there too. Hmm and okay Gwyneth is
literally gossip Girl, exactly. Yeah, yes she is Serena and it
once and I could see I could see it really is.
I mean these things I read. So guys I bought these two
people magazines for as episode on eBay, mmm.
And they're from the 90s and they're about Gwyneth and Brad.
And in the article that describes Gwyneth is an artsy
Uptown Girl and said that she would discuss Russian literature
with cigarettes and coffee. Yes, literally Sneak out at
night to go to clubs oh my God. So Serena and she would like the
even know or something for parents and just sneak out I
don't know in case they noticed she snuck out.
Yeah it's not. And I got into like a rabbit
hole just researching this spent school and I started reading all
these articles room like the past two years, about them
having like scandals or whatever.
And it's very prestigious, very fancy.
So she had a very different life than Brad but apparently her
grades went and that good and through family intervention.
I think I got this from the People magazine of a family
friend, Michael Douglas. She got into University of
California. Santa Barbara.
What does that mean intervention?
I think meaning he like helped her get in like cool paid the
school. I don't know.
I don't could be just a recommendation or something.
I have no idea what the extent was but she didn't stay at you
see Barbara she left. Sue full-time acting and
apparently her parents stopped giving her money when she did
this. Hmm, I don't know if that's like
a hundred percent true or but I mean doesn't matter.
But she started a job at an airport restaurant owned and
rented a small apartment. That People magazine said that
the 90s people said that, her family name helped her at first,
but she wouldn't have gotten the role in Hook as young.
Wendy. If Steven Spielberg was not a
longtime family friend and then the magazine said, but
connections only get you in the door but getting in the door is
the Hardcore Holly? No seriously like she definitely
got in the door much faster than Brad.
Yeah, so many people don't even make it a mile from the door.
I know. And she had a couple boyfriend's
before Brad, she dated Donovan Leach Junior, who is the singer
Donovan, son. And I don't remember, but I
brought up Donovan during like the John Lennon and Yoko episode
because he's dunno Donovan. No, I'm sure if you heard some
songs, you would know that actually like, he's kind of like
an English Bob Dylan, but he like, hung out with the Beatles
and stuff at first, when I read, like I guess he doesn't go by
Junior, but he has like the same name and I read that.
He did it. She dated Donovan Leach.
And I was like, what is? He would have been like six
years old or something? Yeah.
Oh so so yeah, I was gonna say, oh, so she did it his son.
His son. Okay.
Yes, yes, yes. And weirdly his son was in
cutting class with Brad. Yeah, interesting.
But I don't think they had met yet.
So yeah, she played young Wendy and hook in One and she's in a
couple other movies, but she still wasn't like a big star
until she landed the role as Tracy, in the movie Seven, which
is where she met. Brad Pitt.
Hmm. The night, they meant night.
They met might have been during the day but we don't know the
exact probably in a casting office somewhere.
Yeah, but they met on the set of seven in early 1994.
And they started dating. I don't really know like how or
what, or how long it took to start dating, but she was 22 and
he was 31 22:31, that's a big difference.
Yeah. She told 17 about the
relationship. She said, of course, I thought
he was very handsome from the movies, you know, the way people
are, but I also thought, oh, he'll just be one of those young
movies to our boys. Mmm.
And I saw some interview from the movie set.
And with Brad Pitt and the guy asked Brad about Gwyneth and
what he thought of her and he said she was great, you know,
blah blah and said like what do you think about her future and
and then he said something like for you as well or something and
fried just had this like really cute little I roll maybe when I
don't know it won't like translate over audio.
Yeah, it was cute. So I think this was much later
but Going to told Howard Stern, our faith because he gets the
best information out of people. She said, I definitely fell in.
Love with him, he was so gorgeous, and sweet.
I mean, he was Brad Pitt. Yeah, I believe it.
And Brad's said early in the relationship.
I think in the people, maybe he said, I did the chastening.
I was the one asking for dates. My God, I can't imagine Brad
Pitt chasing, you know, Geez, the ego like complex that I
would have, I don't have a phone call.
I mean it would have text back then but like you have a message
on your machine and it's Brad Pitt.
Oh my God, you like hey mellow I would seriously.
If you tomorrow night I wouldn't like the most powerful person in
the world for the rest of my life.
Nobody could tell me anything. I'm like getting he doesn't So
yeah they're dating they unfortunately you're definitely
one of those couples that at the time didn't talk much about it
and one of those couples it's like we value our privacy, you
know? But they were seen a lot.
You know, at premieres are also just like on the street.
There's all these beautiful pictures of them looking.
So cool. Mmm.
And a lot of people will say that they looked the same eyes.
That I just said that. Yeah, you did.
And wait, have you seen this before?
I haven't seen it, but I'm just gonna show you this thing.
Oh my God. Yeah, it's a picture of, it's a
collage of Brad Pitt in the women, he's dated and he's had
like the same haircut. Yeah, we're hair color.
As all of them at the same time, it says, Brad the man who likes
to look like his girlfriend. And so yeah, him and Gwyneth had
at one point. They both had short hair kind of
party. Don the same highlights.
Yeah. Highlights, very Sleek.
It looked the same to see my color and they would both where
like they would wear the same clothes like they would both
wear leather jacket. Or look at my pictures.
I do think there might be something like purposeful about
that. I know, they were so, okay.
Look at this. So they just look so hit.
They do. Look, so cool.
Nene Here, sweater, she has a black lady It's so 90s.
Yeah, look at that. Oh my God.
During long leather or should not leather but long black coats
leather shoes, all black. They're just look so cool.
Uh there isn't a turtleneck well actually it's not her.
Look there he is an S one of you do both of their hairs like
tossled. That's a thing.
Like even here. The way they do their hair is
kind of similar. Yeah, actually has it.
Tossed back a little bit, a little messy.
He does too. Ooh, I know that people do often
accidentally end up kind of dressing like, who they're
dating, but it's really clear with Gwyneth Paltrow, Brad Pitt.
So, yeah, guys, we are significant lovers on Instagram.
Mmm. You can see all their looks.
He's obviously bleaching his hair.
Yeah, to look like when it like, I don't know.
Yeah. He clearly was bleaching his
hair and here like even is this Juliette.
Lewis him with his ex-girlfriend, like he has long
flowing, wavy hair like her. Hmm, I don't know what that
means. I know it's kind of perplexed.
I mean, it does make you think of he's getting broken up with
by these women. I mean, obviously we know
Jennifer Aniston that wasn't the way it went down but it makes
you wonder like yeah. Maybe he is coming on too
strong, maybe. But I mean, This reminds me of
like Kanye West being I mean not that they have the same vibe to
me but just being like let's look amazing.
And yeah to gonna step out in some yeah.
Yeah. He superficial.
I don't know. He doesn't seem like it.
No. No.
Obviously we don't know him but when you watch interviews and
when he talks about his life, he sounds pretty chill.
Hmm. Maybe he just Falls really hard
and love and he just gets obsessed with his ladies.
And yeah, starts making them actually, his will come up way
later though. Mmm, so okay, 1994, this is when
interview Interview with the Vampire came out.
I'm guessing he filmed it before they met in 1993.
So, he's like, really becoming a big star and about their
relationship. Going with said, we hang out
alone, read papers, have coffee watched, watch involved
Mysteries or have friends over for dinner and laugh and play
Pictionary so cute. Sounds nice in May 1995 the two
went on vacation to st. Bart's, for 10 days in the
paparazzi was lurking. Hmm.
And caught photos of Naked beach are those online.
I couldn't find well, I probably shouldn't feel a vision of
privacy. Oh, now you're just caught me.
Okay. So this is actually a huge thing
I didn't know about that. Brad was photographed with his
man Parts tucked between his leg.
Hmm. And the pictures were sold to
Playgirl magazine, which published them is that legal?
Can you just answer take a naked picture of someone and sell it
without them? Maybe because it was tucked.
It was okay or something. But like yeah it's still naked.
Yeah. Under the headline pit happens
what so that must be online. That picture.
I couldn't lie couldn't find it but um Brad sued.
Playgirl magazine over it. He's food urea.
Yeah. And he said about this, some
things have to remain sacred. I mean, come on their special
moments and their private moments and again, you know,
common decency and I guess he apologized to Gwen.
Fuck can I call Quinn? It's a biggest.
Gwynn Gwyneth. Hmm, he apologized to gwyneth's
Father Bruce about the incident since he felt none of it would
have happened if she wasn't dating him.
I call her Gwyneth. You called, Gwyneth Well,
there's a why so it's yeah, it's true.
Gwyneth Gwyneth, I don't know. So I you know I bought these
peoples on people Magazine's on eBay.
I went to look up this playground that you can buy it
on eBay but it's like $100. Oh wow, yeah but you know
Christmas gift idea. I know I'm sure it is somehow
findable on the internet, but, but that is an invasion of
privacy where they on a nude beach.
That's what it was. Oh, I have no idea.
All I know is that they were naked, but apparently, this
whole thing is, what inspired Shania.
Twain's lyric in that, don't impress me much when she goes,
so you're Brad Pitt that. Don't impress me much, you know,
that part. Why did that Inspire?
Because there was like a whole controversy about him having his
Des has legs. So it looked like I had nothing.
I don't know. It was like, yeah.
I just I guess I just don't know what it's like to have man Parts
like that. Like I just is that a normal
thing to tuck it when she's like, I'm going to.
It's not that he's standing. Almost.
Yeah, it was like, that is weird.
Like he's his legs are closed ending up its time.
Are you sitting down? I don't know, I don't know.
Didn't see it yet but she's Nightwing said that, that is
what we're bright. She's okay.
But yeah I know I'm poor Brad. I'm sure like he was younger.
This this is when he was really becoming like a huge start.
This must've been crazy. So, there's another, you know,
big story that in 1995 at the Broadway opening of Hamlet,
allegedly, Harvey, Weinstein invited.
Gwyneth to his hotel room, and like, suggested in room
massages. And I guess another time he had
put his hands on her during a meeting.
Mmm. And apparently, according to
Gwen and according to other people and Confirmed by Brad.
Apparently he threatened him and said, if you ever make her feel
uncomfortable again, I'll kill you.
And people have theorized. This is why it took him so long
to win an Oscar. So interesting, when did he win
his first Oscar? I think it was for Once, Upon
Time in Hollywood but yeah, I don't know.
I'm not just people's theories. Mmm, I have Gwyneth talking
about it. Let's see what she says.
This is later though, you know, this is From the 90s we had one
instance in a hotel room where he tried to where he made a pass
at me. And then I really kind of stood
up to him. I told my boyfriend at the time,
Brad Pitt, Brad Pitt. Who by the way, I love him for
this. I love him for this to.
You told him, hey, Harvey, just did something really weird?
And Harvey's moves are weird. It was weird.
Yeah, it was weird. Here's a guy.
Who's your. Did he like a dad to you?
Yeah, I was shocked when you tell Brad, Brad says, fuck this
guy. I'm going to go over and
confront him. So what happened was I told him
right away and I was very shaken by the whole thing.
And I had two movies, I'd signed up to do two movies with him and
we afraid that the movies would be cancelled or movie free.
Yeah, sure. Cause you, this was a good thing
and Brad Pitt. We were, at a, the opening of
Hamlet on Broadway, that Ray finds within Hamlet, and heart
and Harvey was there and Brad Pitt.
It was like the equivalent of throwing him against the wall,
you know? Energetically.
It was like, were you afraid though?
Did you was it really? And this, I mean, great guy Brad
Pitt for doing that. But at the same point to It's
Your Story, it's your relationship with Harvey.
As most guys, do they take action, right?
When you come home and say Harvey just did a weird thing to
me, I'm going to do something rare.
Yeah, maybe you weren't even looking for that.
Like the he took it upon himself to confront Harvey.
I, it was so fantastic because what he did was he leveraged his
Fame and power to protect me at a time when I didn't have fame
or power yet, right? Wow, it moves.
You yeah. It was, it was fantastic.
Good for him. Yeah, he's a good person.
Oh, you must have just, you know, I guess part of me was
like, well, who's Brad Pitt to take up your cause you didn't
tell him to do that. But at the same point, oh my
gosh, she's very heroic and and Harvey was never an appropriate
with me again. Wow, I just like, Brad Pitt
sticking up for you. He's the best wonder what he
said. Did he ever tell you what?
He said to Harvey? Yeah, because he came back and
told me exactly what he said and what she like, fuck, you, you
ever lay a hand on my girlfriend?
I'm going to kill you. He said, if you ever make her
feel uncomfortable, All again. I'll kill you or something like
that. That's awesome.
Yeah, I don't get my Howard was trying to be like, you might not
have wanted him to pick up. Well, I guess I kind of
understand it because it is still a really tough situation
that she didn't like she had two movies.
Yeah. And so like she's worried about
what's going to happen with those movies, but at the same
time, like someone has to tell Harvey Weinstein off.
Yeah, I know, that's why I kept happening because people like
yeah, Would it have been better cheats and do anything?
Yeah, exactly. Oh my God.
If I told my boyfriend that and then, yeah, he's just like, oh,
okay, or that's awful dream. I'm like, that's horrible.
But I mean, okay, I have more to say about this, but I'm going to
play another clip. This is Brad talking about it
and he's way older mean, this is like reason.
Yeah, let's see. This is on CNN.
So, Brad Pitt's, obviously Gwyneth story to tell and the
reporters story to tell but I wonder if you feel you know, you
can add anything to that because you do come out as you know, one
of the heroes of this story. You confronted a guy that very
few people were willing to confront apparently.
Oh well I think that's a. I mean a bit much.
I have a couple things to say I mean, at that moment.
You know, I was just, I was a boy from the Ozarks on the
playground and that's I mean, that was, that's how we
confronted with things. And wanted to make sure nothing
happened, further because she was going to do two films. you
know, I think the, the interesting thing is that we
Hollywood specifically, but the workplace men and women's
Dynamics is being recalibrated, recalibrated in a very good way
and it's it's long overdue and I do think that's an important
story to tell But I'm glad it took a boy, from the Ozarks to
do that anyway, on that particularly difficult
playground. And again, it's all part of the
issue of masculinity and that's what your new film Ad Astra is
about. So, Brad Pitt.
Thank you so much, indeed for joining us.
Thank you so much. I really appreciate it.
Big fan, I think it's interesting.
I just think it a little bit or like, I don't know.
Yeah, no. I mean, but at the same time you
don't want to be like, yeah, I did.
Yeah. I don't, you know, I mean, I
thought it was a adequate response.
I mean, I don't think he wants to be thought of as like, a hero
because all he really did was like, say something to him
because it is weird, like, he did go on to do more movies,
produced by Harvey Weinstein. So I don't know if he maybe
doesn't want to like, yeah, exactly, strong acting.
Like, I always stood up. Him because he did, you know, he
didn't and no one else did either.
Yeah. Exact no one did because this
guy was like so powerful and you can understand why.
I mean if you want to be an actor, I mean I am not judging
Brad for working with Harvey because That's like, what are
you? What are you going to do?
Maybe this is like really totally naive of me, but I tend
to think a lot of people who worked with Harvey, Weinstein
didn't know the extent to, which he was like, I mean, like, I'm
sure people knew, but like, I don't know.
I like, I tend to think that like, Brad Pitt doesn't know
that he's like, he knew that he was creepy and like, yeah, it
was things but like I think at the time like they probably just
didn't. Yeah.
Probably not know the severity of it and then when All that
comes too late. You want to be like, yeah, I
always knew that he was a piece of shit because know you didn't
bring with them. I also think that if I don't
want to like speak too much on this because I don't know, know
if I think Angelina Jolie was also like abused by Harvey or
something or I'm not sure something like that.
So I also feel like that's a delicate situation for him to
talk about sticking up for one girlfriend.
Yeah. Yeah he seemed a little
uncomfortable. It seemed like he was also
trying very hard to to like speak delicately note it.
It's a tough situation and I know people have called out
Gwyneth for She thanked Harvey in her acceptance speech for
Oscar a couple of days after this.
Yeah, I don't know. I mean I think that's obviously
like a cognitive dissonance like that happened to her but like
you just unless you're in her shoes like you don't know why
you would do that, you know, it is a weird dynamic.
I mean, even though he is a creep, she probably felt like he
gave me this role or whatever, you know, like I I can't totally
if she didn't know the extent of his behavior, I can't totally
shit on him because like, yeah, exactly.
Yeah, we were there. We don't really know which
probably tried to forget that that happened to.
Yeah. Yeah.
Maybe she brushed it off. But now later that all these
people are talking about this, this all like mmm it's coming
out, but yeah, very interesting. So On a lighter note 1996 Brad
won the Golden Globe for best actor for his role in 12
Monkeys. Hmm.
And in his acceptance speech, he called Gwyneth his Angel and the
love of his life. Oh do you want to hear it?
Mmm. And I think Peter Dante, my good
friend and my family at home in Missouri and especially the
love. Oh my life.
My Gwyneth Paltrow, you know, and this is for the Royal London
and Elizabeth loose dig. You are remembered wow.
So he is really in love with her love all my life.
O my love o my life and not love of my life trying to sound.
I Wish Your Love o my life love. Oh, my love.
Oh that's sweet! What happened?
I know she did. Three movies, come out that year
the pallbearer Hard Eight and Emma.
Mmm and people seem to say that when Emma came out that really
like made her a big star, you know, she was like yeah much on
his level at this point, Paul chose friend and animus said you
can feel the harmony between them, they're always holding
hands missing. So in 1997, January 97, he
proposed. Two years after we started
dating. And I wanted to read a part from
People magazine engaged one people's always pretty legit.
To have and to hold is the title.
There was a reason to question the buzz, after all over the
past year, countless reports that Brad Pitt had proposed to
Gwyneth Paltrow could run up against the seam official
disclaimer, no way. Not now as recently as early
December of pit, spokeswoman had dismissed an engagement rumor as
completely fabricated and Paltrow herself had told people
while back when I know I will call you.
Why then should the scuttlebutt that spread from Water cooler to
website. To prime time TV, just days
before Christmas, have been any different, Paltrow's mother,
actors. Blythe, Danner apparently didn't
believe that it was on December 19th.
When Entertainment Tonight asked her.
She was at, she was adamant, they're not engaged.
I'm the mother, I know, maybe so, but bear in mind, the 24,
year-old Paltrow is no longer. Mommy's little girl since
starring in the critically. Acclaimed, Emma last summer
Paltrow has established herself as a long-legged fresh-faced
supremely elegant, symbol of Dennis.
Style and to Pitt Paltrow is something more precious.
My angel, he called her Bubba. Bubba is everyone knows.
It has been a good year for angels and within hours of
Blythe, Danner her mother's Denial in Mendoza.
Argentina were pit, is filming the adventure.
Seven Years in Tibet, he asked for her hand in marriage,
Peltier wasted, no time saying, yes.
Or I'm contacting her parents back in New York's Western
Westchester County. They're engaged.
Her father producer, Bruce Paltrow told people's Mitchell
Fink after hearing the news. Is speaking on behalf of both
families. He added.
We are thrilled. We think is perfect the next
day. Pit took a break from filming
and flew with Paltrow on a private jet to his hometown of
Springfield Missouri where they celebrate the engagement with
his family over Christmas next. Stop, New York to be with
Paltrow's parents, while the to Rejoice.
Whoever the announcement came, the announcement sent, some pit
fans into a deep mope. I can't believe it's for real.
This time wrote internet Surfer, Marty Lawrence Gwyneth is one
lucky girl. Hope it's a long engagement, he
can always change his mind. Hmm, internet serger.
Yeah. So, I guess it happened when he
was filming Seven Years in Tibet.
Seems like they weren't talking about it.
That long? Yeah, well I guess it was like
three years ago. This is your day going into 94.
This was in the people article it said okay who knows if this
is true they might just get excited.
They said when he feels tense Paltrow comes his nerves when he
needs inspiration, she is his Muse.
She encourages him to read and pick up his clothes.
She thinks nothing of hopping in her car at 4:00 a.m. as she did
when she finished shooting the movie hush and driving five
hours to be by his side or flying 5,000 miles to be with
him in Argentina, while he films.
And we really this article which is a couple pages had all these
quotes from his doctor on set. Like why is that the person
that's not? Is there like it's not like a
hippo violation? Why is that the person you're
going to? Yeah.
Said they were like to Adolescence in love and I hit I
think not I love them like two hours.
Seen them feeding each other kissing.
I don't know why. It's very rude to me, the
doctor. Yeah, I really think doctors
necessarily even it's not medically and I'm supposed to
say anything about your patient, right?
Is he like calling, like what the hell in Argentina?
She said to the Los Angeles Times.
I'm in a very happy relationship.
We're the best of friends. And then she told Entertainment
Tonight, I take the institution extremely seriously.
There are no divorces in my family either, and in his
either. So, this is not something we've
been Been together for quite some time.
So this is not a rash decision. Hmm and I guess to celebrate the
engagement with Brad's family. They dined at Red Lobster o.j.
And yeah, it's cute. Just like so normal.
We're going to say, oh, isn't that a Beyonce lyric?
What when you fuck me? Good, I take his ass to Red
Lobster. I really, I didn't know that.
I remember, I meant to say during like the Drake episode,
we talked about Lucky Strike And you were like, it's so funny
because that's a chain. He must love teens.
Because remember, he has that lyric, that's like, what does he
say? It something about Cheesecake.
Oh yeah. So yeah, you must I know I love
a good chain myself. Now, used to have an Instagram
called teen meows, what happened to that, um, you guys can still
follow if you want to, I don't know the password or I don't
know, maybe I could try to get in, but it was kind of satire.
Yeah, it wasn't like place. If alcira mostly Chipotle
mostly, I had a really bad Jim Foley addiction.
I still love Chipotle with all my heart but I don't have it as
much as I used to. Yeah, I know this is a lot of
things I haven't liked since living here.
I haven't had as much just I feel like you just change your
routine. Yeah.
Yeah there was such a put lay right near campus my senior year
so I would get it like twice a week.
What changed you go to most often these days if any probably
You Dunkin Donuts? No, it said Trader Joe's.
Oh yeah. Me too.
I mean that doesn't know of TJ's actually haven't been there in a
while there one last week. Wow.
A lot of pumpkins stuff. A lot of good quality stuff.
Yeah I just I just went grocery shopping.
Sorry guys will get back to combine what glad I just made
that up. Brad is Brenda I like gwad, you
know what? We can just get back to guarani.
Just saying it's not interesting, thing.
Ya know, we're all interested, you know, where we live.
We have to go kind of far to go to hear, Joe's, and have to
carry everything. So I feel like I need to go
there. Not when I need like my
essentials. Yeah, I named it makes sense
more like the special thing. Hmm.
Because then I want to get the special things and I'm like, oh
my God, this is gonna break my back carrying.
Yes, so yeah. Anyway, back to glad, I guess
they had a policy to never go two weeks without seeing each
other. That's good.
No, and Gwyneth said, we're just not doing movies at the same
time. So I finished my last film.
Great Expectations in October and then went with him to
Argentina while he did. So Seven Years in Tibet and I
was there most of the time with him and he's going to have a
break while I do my next one, I'm going to take a break when
he does his. So you really need to do that.
I think in order to, you know, have a relationship.
You know, it's too difficult to be separated.
Really is and I read from people, this is so I don't know
where they find these people that her landlord saw her pacing
and looking up and down the driveway, waiting for Brad.
Looking anxious. Landlord, why is he sending
tips? And the doctor is, like, you
can't trust any, you know, everybody's trying to sell your
story. I know you got to really be
careful, apparently, and I also read that this is true but that
you would On set, I guess of Great Expectations would drink
coffee from a mug with Brad's face on.
That's cute, that's cute. And Brad said around this time,
I guess I'm going to be a dad with a lot of kids and I better
be a good one. Interesting.
He said that about go on and yeah it's just interesting that
it did become true but not with her.
Even back then she said the her career was kind of like second
to her personal life. She said, I love what I do,
don't get me wrong, a sort of achieved, what I wanted to, and
if I never worked again, it would not bother me.
It's fun and exciting. But it's not what life's about.
Mmm, that's so interesting. Because now today, she kind of
has quit acting. Yeah, she seems fine with it, so
I guess, even in the 90s, she already felt that way.
So that is interesting because it is like, kind of was handed
to her. Yeah.
Yeah, I don't really want it anyway.
Yeah, you know, it. It seems like she did want it.
Like she said since she was five she wanted to act but I don't
know I guess she reached her goal.
Yeah. That's like being in movies and
then she was like, okay that's true.
She won an Oscar. I mean yeah yeah I know.
Well she didn't want to eat. Oh yeah.
But she will, they do do. Oh yeah.
And then the same doctor. Zini said it's as if I don't go
some of this guy weighs e knees and name of the dark Yeah.
Aren't you know yourself as someone's doctor?
This is bad. Also I don't get this guy, this
is either completely fake or this is just some like man who's
so excited and yeah I kind of picture it like on the phone
just you know going on yeah said it's as if they were made to be
together for the rest of their lives.
A destiny. Wow.
What a Trippy thing to be in a relationship and people are like
Stuff like that. Yeah it's weird that people care
that much. I know but like even um in our
life like if we just see a celebrity we like all text each
other and were like yeah. Oh my God.
I saw somebody like yeah. Like the do my thing that's all
people are saying. Yeah.
Exactly. I saw someone.
Yeah. If you actually knew something
don't trust me. It's crazy in March 1997.
Brad. And Gwyneth went to Russia
together to launch the I guess Russian Marie, Claire magazine
for some reason. Okay, I know I think when it was
friends with the editor or something very random, but yeah,
it's just something that happened but only a couple
months after that. It was reported on June 16th,
1997 that they had, called it quits.
Hmm. And then it wasn't because of
any one specific event. According to Brad's publicist,
Cindy, question d, and a source said, it's a real relationship
with real problems. This is not about any
third-party. This is absolutely between the
two of them and people said that Gwyneth was stunned and
devastated, but who, I was, but I have a video here of going
into talking about their breakup.
When's it from, I think it's 2019 90s 1998, okay, so it would
be, you know, maybe like, six months later, like, less than a
year later. Your parents are both in the
business to, I mean, how were they found that?
Because when you're all over the place like this on you, bro.
Start are they being about it? We embarrassed for them at all.
Yeah, well I told my father, he wasn't allowed to see it so he
haven't I don't want him to see the movie.
But my mom seen it. My mom and my grandmother came
to the premiere but not my daddy.
I didn't want him to go and I want my uncle door Grandpa to
go. I don't want any of that to my
brother when he was like oh God all you in love again.
And and if you are who wears because there's so much
speculation of the record is that I've learned my lesson and
I don't really talk about that stuff anymore just because You
know I mean you know you think it's harmless and like oh you
know you can talk about it but the truth is it actually I think
Della Terra SLI, affects the relationship.
You know, when you talk about it and let the whole world in, do
you think maybe it's that sort of intrusion that perhaps, you
know, brought the downfall of you and Brad because you were
both up there, weren't you both so much in the spotlight and so
much in the news and it's a strain on any relationship when
it's so public. And we have, you know, and
extreme amount of pressure, just because For some reason, we seem
to, I think fulfill something for people.
Do you know what I mean? And it was great, and he's
great, he's a lovely guy. And, you know, and it's like for
us, it's just like in the relationship didn't work out and
it's fine, you know what I mean? But for the world, it seems to
be this huge deal and it just kind of mystifies me because,
you know, for me, it's like, you know, what, and they make such a
drama out of it and that, you know, they print, all these
things that aren't true. And I didn't even read any of
it, but this is the things, your friends.
He like, Is it true that, you know, you are un office, like,
six bodyguards or, you know, it's just like, you know, if
these people are writing anything to me, think, well, let
them if it sells their papers and they want to write about it,
left them here. Now since I'm a, you've very
much become a star in your own, right?
You've been thrust into the spotlight, how are you finding
that? That people are very interested
in where you go and what you do. Hmm.
Well, you know, it's odd, it's sort of hard to To get used to
but at the same time it's you know it's it's nice.
It's a very tight rope to try and balance.
You know, it's like You don't want to give too much, you know,
and you don't want to not give enough and you want to protect
who you are, but you don't want to be, you know, in accessible
and people are following you around and people are asking you
inappropriate questions, and you have to be kind of graceful
about it. It's hard, you know, it takes a
lot of energy and kind of finesse, you know, but I'm sort
of figuring figuring it all out at the moment.
I just like her attitude, I know, just kind of great Let
them write whatever she top. Yeah.
She seems like she's doing. Okay.
Yeah, we got though. I know good.
She seems fine. It seems like.
So that was from intimidate and I think at that point, she was
with Ben Affleck. I don't know that.
I know. Geez, maybe that's why she's
fine. No.
Yeah. But the People magazine that
they have their, you know, they're so speculative.
But they said there's always signs and said that their
wedding never really got to The planning stage besides like I
think they went to one location like venue or something but they
didn't book anything and then she went to Vera Wang the
wedding dress designer. But now I think she ever bought
anything or anything and there's the photographer.
Niko's said that he saw Paltrow Gwyneth being consoled by Brad
about something. After leaving a London bar like
before the break up break up, news came out.
So, They're like speculating, what happened?
But nobody really knows and a few days before the news of
their breakup came out bad with seem like looking carefree and
having fun out with his friends in New York.
Some that always happens. I know I was there reminds me of
Robin Kristen. Like, didn't she go to the gym
or something like before the news came out?
Yeah, she did, you know, it's notice stuff like that.
Like, oh, she seems fine. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I don't know. And content kind of.
Yeah, it is haunting. And when they broke up, I guess
going at the accepted an invitation to go to the premiere
of My Best Friend's Wedding, but you didn't show.
Mmm, I don't blame her. Yeah, take the night off there.
Seems to be a lot of like disputes about what happens like
a source said he changed his mind about a month ago.
He got caught up in the frenzy of getting married, but he
didn't really want to He hasn't had a second to think about
what's going on. That is devastating, but another
source and know he was Full Speed Ahead with the wedding.
He did want to get married and now he's upset.
What's the truth? Very opposite.
And now he's inside. So, in 1999.
So now, this is like, two years after she talked about, with
Katie Couric, I'm going to play something at 6:19, you're
rolling 7, I Guess what was when you first sort of got your taste
of big success right in a way? Yeah, although well I would, you
know, I had such a small part in that movie and The when that
would be came out, it was much more about my personal life at
that point. Right?
And who because, you know the fact that I had been dating
Morgan Freeman? No.
Just kidding. Now that's a story, Brad Pitt 12
as the world knows. It was that other guy she was
involved with Brad Pitt. There's was a match made in
Hollywood Heaven, especially the love of my life.
My angel Gwen it out. It was very surreal.
I was just very young and very unready and many ways for that
whole experience and very in love at the time.
Barry. Yeah.
Madly I didn't know who I was and all of a sudden all this was
going on and I was really in love with this person and I
didn't know what it, you know, it was just so overwhelming and
so many ways and I just it was just too much for me.
I think, you know, What did you learn from that, if anything so
much that relationship, I sort of point to, as I learned the
most from that experience, from that person, I changed so much
after that whole experience, and in so many positive ways in this
interview Paltrow, wouldn't even mention her former fiance Pit by
name. But she's been quoted as saying
there's nobody to blame. No other person involved.
In their breakup, she told us she now, Has a policy of
refusing to talk publicly about her personal life, and that
includes reports Paltrow and her latest boyfriend actor.
Ben Affleck have also split and gone their separate ways.
It's just unhealthy to talk about it.
It just doesn't do you any good and I totally understand the
Curiosity. I mean, you know, when I'm with
girlfriend's sitting around I'm like, oh my God, who she going
out with him, you know what I mean?
What happened and I can, I'm a girl to I completely get it, but
just for my own. Make I just don't talk about it.
I like her. I know good energy from her.
I do to sleep at God. I yeah, I'm curious.
I end up watching so many interviews with her like recent
ones too. And I mean, I get into this
later but she just seems so herself and it was kind of like,
a big thing to say, but especially later on like, recent
Gwyneth. And I know people can't stand
her because I got her group stuff.
I've just got a touch. Yeah, it's crazy.
But like she seems so like funny.
Yeah. And almost she just says, what's
on her mind and she seems really chill.
And I find her interesting because she seems to me like a
hippie and a prep. Yeah, interesting combination.
I mean, it's like you, some of those like hippie type people,
it's like, well they're really roughly privileges easy to live
that lifestyle bub and there's like something kind of fake
about it but she seems authentic. typically herself,
she is, would ya is admirable and I think I agree and I think
she is Right. I mean I don't know her but from
outside it seems like she actually did change a lot after
this relationship. Like I got, I went on like the
group website and I was reading the history and I think it was
like it was after this relationship when she first made
her first like gluten-free muffin or whatever and like
first started getting into this stuff, it was like pretty much
right after Brad. And I wonder if she started
getting into all you know like mental health and wellness, you
know, all that stuff like yeah. Don't break up with Brad.
I don't know. Um, I find her really
interesting. I can see why some people don't
like her, but I feel like it's not really fair how much hate
she gets, you know. Yeah.
I wasn't aware. She got that much.
Yeah, apparently, she was voted and this is even on the goop
history, it. Wow!
It's so funny. They just like include negative
stuff. I think they're just like owning
it. That's funny.
Was voted the most hated celebrity.
Really? Yeah.
And she talked about it and she was like, really more than Chris
Brown. Yeah, I was like around the
time. Chris Brown and Rihanna has
yeah, I think I can think of at least many celebrities that are
like Whalers. Well yeah.
Oh, I know. I mean this was like 10 years
ago. Yeah.
This was in the 2000s.
Hopefully people still wouldn't say she's the most hated
celebrity, but it seems like there's a lot of misogyny that I
know. And I was thinking like, if you
imagine her as a Gossip Girl woman.
Yeah. Lily Van Der wasn't, she would
be the coolest one there and you know what?
Like yeah, she's catering to rich people and she is a rich
person, but she Does want to help people?
Yeah, she does. Want to, in her own way.
Make it a better place. I do think there probably is,
she probably does do philanthropic thing.
Yeah, she she doesn't strike me as someone who like has a temper
and like, blows up. But people either she seems like
someone who very much thinks through everything and does
things with intentions. I agree.
So, she is actually So cool, I think because, you know, she's
known for being this like, Health person, kind of pseudo
house on time. Yes, but she is very real about
it. Like, she says, she still has.
She has one cigarette week. Oh, wow, thing.
And like, I washed one of her videos, which is talked about
like, what Gwyneth Paltrow eats in a day and she was like, oh,
you know, like I like to have a drink after work, but, you know,
it can be a bad habit, but if I do have a drink, Think I'm
there's my really and she's like my home, she does really like
french fries and like, it wasn't all actually, that like perfect.
Yeah, and some of it was, it was like her smoothies, apparently
really expensive. Yeah.
And I know people think she's out of touch and I understand
that, but she interests me. Yeah, you know, and I feel like
she would be fun if she was at your house or so.
Mine are you for stuff is expensive because it's like,
made in the USA or something? Like yeah.
A lot of times like If it doesn't seem like it's like out
sourced. So yeah a lot of the stuff I
even signed up for the newsletter because I want to get
to know her and some of it probably is I mean I think
everything is really more expensive than it needs to be
but that is true. Like when it comes to the
clothing and stuff they wanted to be like ethical.
Yeah. And they want it all to be like
the best quality stuff. Yeah.
That's why is expensive, it's not for everybody.
Buddy. But if you are a rich person and
you want ethically made, Not bad for you things and that's what
they're trying to do it. Yeah, exactly.
I mean, people are just so used to like Fast fashion.
Yeah. Like they don't know, like what
the cost of like actual like closes worth like it's the
people making it are being paid a livable wage.
No, it's true. I mean, that's why hundreds of
years ago. People had like three dresses
because it was made by someone in town and, you know, they
understood that's how much it costs.
Mm-hmm. Yes, that's my going to thought
your attendant. But yeah, back to Brad.
She told the Sydney Morning, Herald in 2003 so this video
considerably long after yeah. She said I'm so lucky that I
spent time with Brad. I just made a mess.
A big mess about it. Right?
Rather wrong. I just made a big mess out of
it. So yeah, she's acting like
though she was messy after publicly.
I don't doesn't seem like she was messy at all and then I This
is funny about Ben Affleck, she said he's got a lot of
complication. I hope he sorts himself out.
Oh, I love that. And then also on Howard Stern
about Ben Affleck she said he's not in a good place in his life
to have a girlfriend. Oh my God.
Yeah. Warn everybody else just include
that because I feel like she always says, good things about
Brad and not good things open. So that's telling ya very
telling. I do not like Bena Black me
neither. Hmm.
She told Diane Sawyer in. 2006 about her relationship with
Brad. I was very upset for a long,
long time. We're able to sort of see each
other and smile and wish each other well, nice today
professionally. I feel like both of them.
I mean, they already were big stars, but really, like blew up
after relationship. Like after they had broken up,
she won her Oscar first Shakespeare in Love, she was in
Great Expectations and talented mr.
Ripley Royal Tenenbaums Iron Man.
But today, she's mostly stopped acting and isn't really into it
anymore and she has her company goop.
Yeah. But we've been promoting, I
guess this is by. No, I actually one more thing to
say about group. Yeah, I saw these articles like,
freaking out that she had a candle that smells like her
vagina. Yeah.
It doesn't really. It's a joke.
Yeah. What does it smell like a not
joke? It smells like, Good like it has
like good smelling smell. Maybe that's what your vagina.
Yeah. Maybe.
But the label on it says this smells like.
Well, yeah, I mean that's, it's funny.
It's funny and what it's supposed to be fun and what a
good marketing strategy, look, I've heard of that kids on
myself. I think that she's funny.
Yeah, she wait, I kind of learned by it.
I don't know. Okay, I would never like them.
Yeah, I just think 75 because you can make candles ethically.
The u.s. Yeah.
And I think they still wouldn't cost that much.
Must be an amazing container. No, it's too much.
It's the name. It's really the name at that
point. It is.
Yeah, Brad after the relationship just kept going up
and up mean, he was in Fight Club.
Ocean's Eleven Troy Mr. Mrs, Smith Burn After Reading,
Curious Case of Benjamin Button and glorious bastards Tree of
Life. Moneyball World Rosie 12 Years a
Slave big short Once Upon Time at home Good and like 20, other
movies. I didn't name.
And yeah, like you said, he's produced many things, his
production company is Plan B. I didn't even realize how many
movies were made by playing be like minari the king and re Ad,
Astra the show, Sweet Bitter, which I never wash my legs.
Look, the OE, the last black man in San Francisco.
If Beale Street could talk Beautiful Boy, Lost City of Z,
Selma 12 years of slave Kick-Ass Time, Traveler's Wife, The
Departed, a lot of things. But yeah, and you know, as
everybody knows 1999, he became engaged to Jennifer Aniston, I
just find it very interesting because it seems like Gwyneth
Paltrow and Jennifer are good. Friends like hung out over the
years and they like say happy birthday to each other on
Instagram and stuff so I find that interesting.
Yeah. And then interestingly, in 2005,
when I signed on to a movie called dirty tricks, about
Watergate, it is produced by Brad, Pitt's production company,
and written. By Ryan Murphy, who's the
writing partner of Gwyneth current husband.
Brad falchuk, do another bra. Yeah.
And Brad falchuk and Ryan Murphy made like Glee American Horror
Story together. I don't think the movie was ever
made. Yeah, but she seems like she, I
have a feeling better. Like fine now they are and yeah,
Brad Pitt. I mean her and Chris Martin
still go on vacations together. Wow.
So with that's interesting new national government.
Oh, really? Yeah.
What about it? But in 2008, Chris Martin said,
Rolling Stone. If you're white, if your wife
went out with Brad Pitt, you'd want to prove yourself, you know
what I mean? And I'm sure you know this, but
I probably shouldn't say this is where Chris Martin episode, but
that he Gwyneth was like, the only serious relationship he'd
ever been it. Interesting that he lost his
virginity at age 22. I didn't know that.
No, because I did start researching them but I wasn't
feeling it, but I'll do it eventually.
I don't think I got to The Virginity.
I was actually gonna do different couple for this
episode and I didn't know. Yes.
And as you start it and you're like, it's a good idea, but I'm
just not feeling it right now. Yeah, it did.
Excited about it. Yeah.
Our our thing with this podcast is we let the episode pick us.
Yes. Yes.
It's and I mean that with all my heart it makes us.
And I think that's why we're having all these weird
coincidences. I know because the episodes are
literally, what was supposed to come out?
Yes, it was meant to be. I know I just decided this one
morning like I texted you. I was like, I'm not doing so and
so many more This I just felt it.
No, she talking about Brad again in 2015 to Howard Stern and she
said, I think I was a kid and I wasn't ready.
He was too good for me. I honestly do think I was too
young and I didn't know what I was doing.
I mean, I was 22 when we met and it's taken me until 40 to get my
head out of my ass. Mmm.
And then she was on the girlboss podcast when Sophia amoruso and
This is the conversation Gwyneth said oh my God I fucked up so
many relationships. So many I'm actually a pretty
good friend and a good sister and a daughter and her mother.
But I am at my potentially most vulnerable and fucked up in the
Romantic slice of the pie. Yeah.
So it's taking me a lot of work to get to the place where I have
a good romantic relationship and Sophia's that.
Sorry said so Brad Pitt if you're listening and then she
said I fucked that up Brad why? I don't know like we still don't
really know. What happened like from what
she's been saying? She's like blaming herself.
Not too hard but she seems to be You know, saying, she fucked it
up. So, but did she break up with
him? Someone who broke up with him?
I know like, seems like she broke up with him.
Yeah. I think I know it wasn't any
one, any one thing that I do and it wasn't any one thing wasn't
any one person and I don't know. And he wasn't thinking about the
marriage but he was thinking about it all the time.
We can just disregard that, that's two contradictory
statement. She's so fond of Brad.
Um, in 2018, there was an article about how Brad Pitt
always Like his girlfriends and matching their clothes and hair
style. And this was on Instagram,
someone shared it and she commented on it and said or we
like to look like him. Let's face it.
Oh that's sweet. You know that's really sweet
nothing but love there. Yeah and she did one of those
videos of Vogue where she breaks down 13 outfits from her past
and she said there's one of the first picture was of her and
Brad and she said he was a, you know, how you can tell when
someone's gonna say One else? Yeah, you're it.
It's not like she's gonna say, here's a good.
I'm guessing she's gonna say, like a great guy or something,
but there's a reason she stopped herself and said he was so nice.
And then a couple outfits later. She randomly says, Brad Pitt was
visiting me that day and she had no reason to say that that's a
Christian sewer. You know, sincere does that
she'll randomly bring you up into the conversation?
Yeah, no one asked. No one asked.
You just randomly went type. It was visiting.
That day. Hmm.
I just thought it was so funny that like, in this video they
asked her if she knew how many times she's been on the cover.
And she said, I'm so dumb that I can't remember, wow, I didn't
know. And then she started crying
talking about her dad because her dad had passed away.
And then she like yelled and was like, you guys made me cry you
dicks. And then, you know, she was
looking at her outfits from the past and she was wearing one,
like, really scandalous dress. We're kind of like the whole
side was because and she said, I think my kids would be so
embarrassed, if I left the house, my ass hanging out with
something. And then, she's still looking at
this revealing dress, and was like, What if I shit my pants?
I know I love that. She's funny.
I feel like shitting your pants in anything is and then she also
said, same thing video. But she said, if I've learned
one thing, it's how not to show your vagina on the red carpet.
Mmm. It's a good lesson to learn.
So pretty recently, randomly for goop.
Gwyneth interviewed, Brad for Father's Day.
Really? Yeah?
Wow. Yeah.
In 2022. This June, oh, wait, that's kind
of weird because it doesn't have a lot of like, Custody, I know,
I know, I know it's weird. So she said, okay since it's
almost Father's Day I'm going to ask you about Bruce which was
her dad, I'll never forget when we were engaged.
He came to me one day, his eyes full of tears and he said, you
know, I never realized realized what they mean, when they say
you're getting a son, like, I'm gaining a son, what impact did
he have on you? Why did you love him?
Even though we didn't get married and fortunately, Brad
said, yeah, right. Laughs.
Man everything works out, doesn't it?
Yes it does. I finally found the Brad.
I was supposed to marry. It just took me 20 years and
it's nothing Brad said and it's lovely to have you as a friend.
Now Gwyneth said it is Brad said and I do love you and when I
said I love you so much hmm and Brad said I mean, it's kind of,
this is kind of long, but it's just one of the things I loved
about bruised because he did have a profound effect on me and
is still someone I think about he really fostered, your voice
your Independence. He carved the way for you guys
to be who you are. I think that's so important to
Parenting, you know? So the child is free to find out
who they are and what they love and what they don't you guys
were just so freeing your conversations and witty and
intelligent and funny as fuck. He could be tough if you needed
to be. But it would be rare only if
someone was out of line and it would come with, not a slap on
the wrist for a little Wisdom and he let you make the choice
that seemed to be his way just to offer you the wisdom and let
you figure it out. And knowing that to have that
faith in your child, will get where they're going.
They'll get there when they get there, I don't know.
He keeps talking about the dad but I just thought that was
interesting that he says and I do love you.
I love you so much. What?
Hmm dude, that's sweet though. It seems like they like grown
into new. People more mature, they can
zoom out and say that they love each other, but it's not like
the type of love where they need to like go backwards at all.
Yeah, I know. This is an appreciation, it's
nice. And when I was doing this
research, like, right? When it came like Greg, when I
was doing this just came out that apparently Brad is
launching a skincare line. I saw that question mark where
it's like wine. Inspire.
Yeah, Angelina had like a Vineyard or something and he
talked about this and he said, I love what Gwyneth Paltrow is
done with goo. She's still really dear friend
and she's built this Empire. She's always had that in her as
a curator, and it's been lovely crave out of her.
In fact, come to think of it. She was probably the first one
who got me to even wash my face twice.
Maybe, wow. Yeah, they are quite amicable.
This pretty much. Touch it, that's Brad.
And Gwyneth Paltrow I like that conversation.
He has about her dad to. Like I do think that shows like
such a like love that they have for each other that like, he
shares in her admiration, like, for her dad kind of sweet and I
do like have Gwyneth, like still talks about her.
Dad all the time that like he's such a big part of her.
I think that's really sweet. And like you can tell that she
liked carries him with her and like so Well, him a lot, then
the people around her, like, also, like, obviously, Brad knew
her dad, but they, like carry his legacy on to it.
Sweet. It's it's nice that even though
they aren't together anymore like clearly, he still thinks
about there's not room like still, you know, from members of
the family. And yeah, that's what you hope.
Exactly. They see mature and their
breakup. She's the queen of consciously
uncouple. Yeah, exactly.
She does everything with intention.
Yeah, it's I don't think her and Ben Affleck.
No, no, no. Ben Affleck seems messy.
I don't think. Consciously uncouple that all
unconsciously couples on couple been a flag.
When will we ever do him? I want to do him and Jennifer
Gardner someday and I am need to Jay him and JLo.
I would do, I just can't stand them.
Me neither. So yeah.
I know we've been like bad energy that I was like.
I know people probably like them.
I know. I think a lot of people do like
them. I just, I Nothing against
bennifer, the first one. Yeah, but 2.0.
Yeah, I can't say I'm them. They got married, right?
Yeah, recently. And then the restrictions of him
like crying on the honeymoon. Yeah, for some reason.
It just like what? Yeah.
And all the articles are like they're madly in love.
Like, I don't believe it. I know, I don't think so.
He looks a hot mess right now. I'm like worried about speaking
of people that engage many times I think JLo is like yeah, six or
seven. I got.
Can you imagine you know like that many times?
It doesn't mean anything anymore.
It's like the biggest moment of your life.
Yeah. Just to be, I know happens like
six a good people let you know from like high schooler who are
now getting engaged. You like see the pictures on
Instagram? It's like, what if they did that
71 times? I know like, yeah, people like,
I've waited this Dame Whole life.
Yes, I can't wait to spend the rest of my life with you do
that. So many times, I feel like it
just would you even cry? You know, who is Brad's real
love of his life? Maybe this one?
Maybe. I mean I just think there's less
drama there so, you know, here, it's true.
I mean I never thought him and Angelina would ever break up me
neither never ever. So it's I'm still shocked about
how things went down. And I hate to see people break
up. So I was really sad to hear that
even though I don't know much about them.
Hopefully, someday we do and anyone listening that is like a
Gwyneth Paltrow, or Brad, Pitt expert.
I know, I probably left out a lot.
Yeah, can't cover everything. I'm sorry.
And as always guys we want you to send any voice recordings.
You have about either episodes we've covered so far or
potential episodes that we can play in an episode.
Yeah about couples but okay, so How likely do you think they are
to get back together? She seems pretty happy with Brad
falchuk. So, That's what's stopping me,
but there does seem to be a lot of love there.
So I'm going to still really low, I think because of that.
But yeah, I'm food. Like they seem like a couple
that likes each other still, mmm.
So, I don't know what kind of mood and what do you put it for
that? Kind of couple.
You don't, I know because it's like should be like 3 or 11, I
know. But it's also, it's like they
seem like they love each other now, because they're moved on.
Yeah, I'm gonna really need to like avoid each other.
That's like 10. Just because I feel like we've
said, well prior, husband died. Yeah.
God forbid, we don't obviously happen, but nothing's
impossible, so we do it. She thinks about him sometimes.
Yeah, I bet. I mean, of course you would see
him now in a movie of, wow, can you imagine must be really
stressful to be a Salt Lick? Oh my God.
The self-doubt. I would have about not being
with Brad Pitt anymore. I don't know.
I would feel like I've reached the top of the mountain.
Like, how would you deal with that?
Yeah, probably. I do think I would have feel
relief to not be with him anymore.
You wouldn't have to worry. Worried about everybody else.
Wanting your boyfriend. Yeah.
I guess. But what?
If like you kind of missed him one day for a couple days
sometimes? Yeah, that's true.
Oh my God. But I feel like if she wanted
him back, she could get him. Yeah, that's yeah.
That's what I was thinking. Yeah.
I think he's on the market.
Yeah. It's like in her Court.
Yes. I think so too.
But I don't think she wants to she's happy.
Yeah. It does seem like maybe she was
responsible for the Break up but I don't I don't blame her like
for even though it's Brad Pig, I don't know who I'd side with
you. I don't really I don't side with
anybody really. I Caitlin was saying today
because I did the polls on the Instagram, like, will there ever
be a relationship where like everybody sides with like the
guy like the majority, you know, most the time the women I really
like and all the relationships will try to find one.
Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, this one.
I'm I don't really have a said to pick, just just happens.
It's just a part of life, you know?
Yeah. It's just part of people break
up. Yeah.
Well, how do you want to tease our next episode?
Yeah, so our next episode, what obvious?
I think you foreshadowed in a couple times.
Did people might put that together.
Yeah, I did mention it kind of but it's a Another beautiful
couple, beautiful young couple, but from the 2000s, the Audis,
mmm. Yeah.
Is that all I should say or should I say more?
I think I was enough, okay. She put a couple clues and yeah,
I know I didn't really mean to connect but it all connects I
have to the bathroom so bad, so bad.
What Zenda? This is this was short and sweet
and air quotes is still an hour. As long to some people.
But thank you guys so much for listening.
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