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Are you lonesome tonight? 
Do you miss me tonight? 

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Are you sorry we didn't stand 
apart? 

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Does your man? 
Hi everybody, Welcome back to 

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Significant Lovers. 
We are your. 

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Host My name is Mel. 
And I'm Kel and her cousins. 

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Mm hmm. 
And we're here to talk about 

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love today. 
Yes, who are we talking about? 

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Yeah, I guess we should just get
into it. 

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We are talking about John Adams 
and Abigail Adams, maiden name 

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Smith, the 2nd President of the 
United States. 

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Now why? 
Why them? 

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Well, I had heard that they had 
a good love story. 

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Mel, you actually texted me a 
couple months ago, I think, and 

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you had gone to DC and you were 
like, oh, I kind of want to do 

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some presidents. 
I'm in the mood or finding 

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fathers or whatever. 
And you suggested them. 

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And I had coincidentally just 
come across a book at a 

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bookstore that was the letters 
between John Adams and Abigail 

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Smith. 
And there's only $3. 

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So I was like, I'll just get it.
You know, it seems like 

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something we could use for the 
podcast. 

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And then you said that. 
And I was like, wait, I have 

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this book. 
So here we are. 

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We're doing John Adams, John and
Abby Adams. 

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It's cool because I read this 
book over the summer. 

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I was having kind of a Founding 
Fathers summer. 

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I was listening to podcasts 
about not just John Adams, I was

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getting into it, the other early
presidents. 

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But it's cool because when you 
have these older couples from, 

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you know, hundreds of years ago,
although we might not have like 

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pictures of them, paparazzi 
pictures and stuff, we can read 

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first person accounts from them.
You know, that they actually 

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wrote to each other and they 
wrote in their journals and 

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stuff. 
So I feel like you got to get 

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really close to the couple, 
actually. 

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Isn't it crazy to think about 
people hundreds of years from 

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now reading your messages? 
I yeah, that's the thing with 

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letters. 
How did it become public 

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information over time, like when
someone passes away? 

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I guess maybe your estate is 
responsible for if you're a 

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significant person if it ends up
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but it's kind of embarrassing. 
It is crazy. 

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In this case, their son Charles 
actually put together, I think 

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it was Charles put together 
their letters and the. 

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Yeah, the family decided to put 
out there. 

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I don't think they put all of 
them out there, but it was a 

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family decision to publish the 
parents letters. 

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Yeah. 
So it is a really, I think a 

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wonderful love story. 
I think. 

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I mean, I think they have some 
problems like other people do, 

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but overall, I think that 
they're really inspiring. 

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So the three words that I would 
use to describe John and Abigail

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Adams would be resilient, 
challenging, and loving. 

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You know, yeah, we need a loving
episode. 

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There have been some depressing.
Ones. 

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Yeah, some heartbreaking ones, 
which in a way are healing if 

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you're going through it, to know
that other people have as well. 

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But it's nice to know that 
people have some positive love 

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stories out there. 
Yeah, yeah, we can't do all 

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breakup episodes. 
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And I know people might be 
thinking like, Oh my gosh, 

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Founding fathers 1700s, so 
problematic. 

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How could you do an episode 
about this? 

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I will say, even though John 
Adams did have some policies and

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beliefs that would definitely 
not fly today. 

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I think he probably was kind of 
racist. 

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Not for his time. 
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super woke I guess you would 
say. 

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But today I don't think his 
opinions would fly. 

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But I will say that him and his 
son John Quincy Adams who goes 

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on to be president too, they 
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the 1st 12 presidents to not own
slaves and he was against 

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slavery and his wife Abigail was
a huge abolitionist. 

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So can feel kind of good about 
that. 

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Yeah, I guess we got to take a 
little drink that we have to 

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remember. 
It was a different time. 

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It was a. 
Different time. 

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Yep, Yep, that's on our 
drinking. 

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That will definitely come up 
later. 

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Some things like that, it's kind
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a little bit overlooked or 
forgotten as early president. 

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And I don't have time to get 
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his time as president as we 
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their relationship, not, you 
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But I think he was overall like 
pretty good person. 

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So anyway, who was John Adams? 
So he was a lawyer, writer, 

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diplomat, George Washington's 
vice president and eventually 

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the 2nd president of the United 
States after George Washington. 

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Myers Briggs. 
I'm into that. 

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People think he was an INTJ 
maybe, and I can see it. 

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He was described by Ben Franklin
as he means well for his country

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and is always an honest man, 
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and in some things absolutely 
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And the historian George C 
Herring said that John Adams was

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the most independent minded of 
the founders. 

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And even though so he was in the
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he was somewhat a party unto 
himself at times disagreeing 

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with the Federalists as much as 
he did the Democratic 

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Republicans, which was the other
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And I think he, you know, I 
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convictions and beliefs, but he 
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It seems like he wanted to do 
the right thing, but that could 

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be hard. 
And I think that he could be 

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kind of persnickety, a little 
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And he often, at least in his 
private writing, seemed to think

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other people were dumb. 
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way outwardly in real life, but 
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everyone around him was kind of 
stupid. 

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But I also read that he wasn't 
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he was very lovey dovey and 
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So it's like he was this grump. 
But he did have like a sweet 

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side to him. 
So that's a bit about his 

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personality. 
You might know John Adams 

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cousin. 
Speaking of cousins, Mel and I 

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cousins. 
His cousin was Samuel Adams, 

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who's another founding father. 
Of the beer. 

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Yes, he was a Massachusetts 
politician. 

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He signed the Declaration of 
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And he also worked as a Brewer, 
which is why there's a beer 

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named after him, Sam Adams. 
That was just 'cause that was my

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dad's beer of choice for many 
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Oh. 
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Charlie's beer of choice. 
It's New England. 

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Yep, which? 
Is where we are from. 

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Yes, we are from Massachusetts 
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story takes place. 
So John Adams was born October 

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30th, 1735 in Braintree, MA, 
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Mass and it's very close to 
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People that don't know. 
So he's a Scorpio. 

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His father was a Shoemaker, 
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busy guy and Braintree 
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So politics, you know, was in 
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managed the household but she 
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minded, which is maybe why he 
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Dot, dot, dot, We often find 
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Freudian, that especially with 
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We saw that with our JFK and 
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reminded him of Jackie. 
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something to that. 
It's a little disturbing 

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sometimes, but to think about 
for yourself. 

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But I think there's truth to it.
John Adams. 

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I don't know if I should call 
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It's one of those tricky things.
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first name. 
I know, I feel. 

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Like we become familiar with 
them. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
I'll just say John, his parents 

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were Puritans, so they were 
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Christian. 
And he, he definitely was pretty

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religious himself. 
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in life, he embraced more 
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But I would say he was always 
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And I was kind of surprised, 
like I was, you know, listening 

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to my president's podcast this 
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the early presidents, like the 
founding fathers, were all super

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religious, but it seems like 
they actually weren't as much as

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you would think. 
Excuse me, I'm recording that 

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Char. 
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Char. 
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someone walks in on you in the 
bathroom. 

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I was. 
Like in the zone? 

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Oh. 
You did anyway. 

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Accident. 
It was accident. 

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It was excellent. 
Anyway, I'm just all to say John

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Adams and Abigail are pretty 
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His father wanted him to become 
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Harvard. 
He loved books and was very 

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studious, but he also felt like 
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realized he did not want to 
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He wanted to be important. 
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taught in Worcester for a bit, 
which is it's so weird, like 

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just growing up in Massachusetts
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like something someone from high
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Like just almost there. 
I must have taken a while for 

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them to get there before course.
It's, it's so crazy to read 

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about them, like, zipping all 
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the country, but it must have 
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Yeah. 
But he found Worcester to be too

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much of A backwater for the 
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And he returned to Braintree, 
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So he wanted distinction. 
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He wanted to become a big shot 
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Before Abigail, he fell in love 
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Quincy, the daughter of Colonel 
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Wait. 
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Braintree, so-called leading 
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'cause she's actually Abigail's 
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Wait, so is this his baby Mama? 
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Oh, why do you name his son John
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Know I was, I was thinking that,
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that's her second cousin. 
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so it's her family name, too. 
OK. 

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I know I had the same thought. 
Wait, was that her last? 

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No, her last name. 
Smith. 

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Yeah, so her dad's last name was
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Her mom's last name was Quincy. 
So then they gave they gave John

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Quincy. 
I know, but it is weird because 

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he was in love with Hannah 
Quincy. 

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Yeah, OK, that would suck too. 
Like your family I guess. 

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Maybe second cousins 2nd. 
Take a drink every time you 

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debate how close cousins are. 
I know, second cousin. 

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Second cousins might not run 
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first cousin would. 
Maybe not, but I do get the 

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sense that there weren't as many
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then. 
That's true. 

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You have to double different. 
I think that's actually a fact. 

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I was actually, I was talking 
about this the other day with my

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friends and it was at the 
wedding. 

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We were drunk and I was, we were
talking about the cousin thing. 

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I was talking about our 
discussion on the podcast 

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recently about like, would you 
date your 10th cousin? 

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Would you date your? 
Of course, but would you date 

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your third cousin? 
And I was saying nobody really 

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knows their third cousin. 
And my friend Bridget was like, 

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yes, they do. 
I'm friends with my third 

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cousin. 
And I was like, no way, no way, 

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no way. 
I bet you don't. 

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I was like, that is not your 
third cousin. 

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And then she was telling me the 
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was her third cousin. 
Really. 

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I don't. 
I certainly know. 

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I believe it. 
You. 

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Know I was like Bridget that 
would be your what your great 

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great grandparent is the shared.
Relation there. 

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Yeah. 
I guess I'd have to see the 

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family tree to be like, in what 
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These second cousins, your 
parents are cousins. 

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So like me and you, we have 
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Someday our cousins will be 
second cousins. 

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Naturally, It makes sense that 
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Well, I guess. 
OK, so let's say. 

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Well, we're we're close cousins,
but a lot of people aren't that 

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close to their cousins. 
Yes, but OK, so let's say our OK

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this makes it realistic. 
Our two kids that we have their 

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best friends. 
They grow up being good friends 

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because me and you are really 
good friends. 

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If they have kids, their kids 
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their kids will be friends with 
their third cousin. 

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That's true. 
So. 

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Because if you stay really 
close, yeah. 

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To my cousin, yeah. 
And so I think our kids, kids, 

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our grandkids will probably know
each other. 

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Hopefully, if we are so lucky, 
yeah, true in this life to 

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foster that friendship and our 
kids and they. 

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Hopefully. 
Won't date each other. 

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Hopefully, but we might not be 
able to stop it. 

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Yeah. 
But anyway, back to the cousin, 

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Hannah Quincy. 
Apparently she acted a bit wishy

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washy when he hinted that 
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then she ended up becoming 
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It was one of those things where
it's like they couldn't really 

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tell how serious it was. 
I don't. 

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I don't really know what 
happened. 

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And then she started getting 
someone else and got engaged. 

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He was very depressed about 
this, though, and he threw 

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himself into his work. 
And he made a vow. 

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He wrote this in his journal To 
let love and vanity be 

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extinguished, to focus more on 
ambition and patriotism. 

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I'll see, but love always finds 
you when you're not looking. 

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In 1759, he met Abigail Adams 
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didn't think much of her. 
She was only 15 when they met. 

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OK. 
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something. 
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his friend was engaged to 
Abigail's sister. 

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So he just was at the house and 
just met her. 

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But there was not a connection. 
And that's good because she was 

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only 15. 
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normal for back then, but it's 
kind of a relief. 

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That's not when their story 
started. 

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But who's Abigail? 
Who is this Abigail? 

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She was born Abigail Smith 
November 22nd, 1744 in Weymouth,

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MA. 
So she's a Sagittarius. 

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As for Myers Briggs, people 
think she might be ISFJ but you 

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know it's hard to tell of 
historical people. 

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So she's nine years younger than
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Her father was Reverend William 
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today wouldn't think that a 
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deal, but he was basically the 
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He was like the leading citizen.
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Quincy, we mentioned earlier, 
Abigail was descended from some 

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of the leading Puritan ministers
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And just looking at portraits of
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she looks pretty. 
I think she had brown eyes, kind

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of like a sharp look to her her.
I was trying to think like, who 

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would play her in a movie or 
something? 

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There was a miniseries actually 
about John Adams on HBO years 

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ago. 
But I think she's kind of 

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pretty. 
John Adams. 

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I don't know what he looked like
when he was young. 

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When he was older, he was a 
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little balding, but I I don't 
know what he looked like when he

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was younger. 
Yeah, I'm looking at pictures 

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now. 
She was really pretty. 

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Yeah, she's got these Cute. 
Curls. 

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Maybe Sandra Bullock, a young 
Sandra Bullock, could play her. 

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She was, I wrote in my notes, 
basically Bella from Beating the

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Beast, because she was educated 
at home but very widely read, 

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very smart. 
She loved learning. 

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She knew many languages. 
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ancient Rome and Greece. 
But like the time she was living

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in and where she was living, 
female education was not taken 

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very seriously, even ridiculed 
in Massachusetts. 

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Women, I mean, it was very 
common for women and everybody 

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to learn how to read. 
Literacy was pretty high because

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the Puritans thought it was 
important that people could read

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the Bible, but they wouldn't be 
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that. 
So she really, I've picture her 

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like Belle from being and be. 
She was just like very smart 

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girl that kind of annoyed some 
people. 

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But a few years after first 
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Abigail again, I'm not sure how,
and started courting her. 

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As they said back then, by 1762,
he was writing very loving, 

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sweet letters to her and she 
returned the affection and they 

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would go on long walks and have 
deep intellectual conversations.

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And they were married in fall 
1764. 

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So she was around 20 and he was 
29. 

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So it's pretty, pretty good for 
back then. 

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Because, you know, we did the 
Marie and Marie Internet and 

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Louis episode, which is also in 
the 1700s. 

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And I got married when they were
like 14. 

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So, like, nice. 
She's 20. 

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Apparently there were comments 
in the neighbourhood about him 

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marrying up, that she was like a
higher status than him and he 

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was seen as like a farm boy, 
even though he was like learning

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to become a lawyer and such. 
People thought he was beneath 

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her. 
He was beginning to get very 

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political. 
He was writing satires of 

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Massachusetts politicians in 
anonymous essays in the paper. 

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And now there's still a colony, 
still part of England at this 

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point, obviously. 
But he would write these papers 

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under the pseudonym Humphrey 
Plow Jogger, so disguising 

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himself. 
And I guess he would write it in

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like an amusing way, sort of 
like this political character he

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came up with. 
It was supposed to be kind of 

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funny, but he would like, 
criticize politics at the same 

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time. 
And then he started publishing 

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things under his own name. 
And one thing that he wrote, a 

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dissertation on the Canon and 
feudal law, attracted a lot of 

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notice and marked him as an 
intellectual leader. 

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And I would say today it's kind 
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writing a big piece in The New 
Yorker or something. 

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And then everyone's like, oh, my
gosh, who wrote that? 

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But yeah, so they're married 
now. 

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Nine months after marrying, she 
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So. 
Didn't wait the same time. 

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Yep. 
A daughter named Abigail that 

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they called Nabby. 
Abigail and John go on to have 

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six kids together. 
Abigail, John, Quincy, Susanna 

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who is nicknamed Suki, Charles 
Thomas and Elizabeth who sadly 

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was a stillborn. 
But they do have six kids 

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together in all. 
And I'd say overall, John and 

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Abigail were spiritually and 
intellectually very much equals.

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And it seems like he went to her
as, like, his confidant and 

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spoke to her about all, you 
know, all the ideas he had about

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politics and such. 
Like, she was there with him 

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talking about it the whole time.
So it's pretty cool. 

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You know, he's kind of rising. 
He's a lawyer now. 

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He's writing all these papers. 
He's getting notice in 

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Massachusetts. 
And in June 1774, he was chosen,

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along with his cousin Sam Adams,
to be the Massachusetts 

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delegation to the First 
Continental Congress. 

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So basically it was guys 
gathering together in 

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Philadelphia to figure out how 
they're going to break off from 

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Britain and form a new country. 
It was a big deal because it's 

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basically treason, you know, to 
like break off from England. 

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He had to be very secretive 
about it was very high stakes. 

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So he's invited to this. 
He doesn't leave immediately, 

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but this is going to mean that 
he's going to have to go to 

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Philadelphia, which is pretty 
far away. 

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And he can't bring the family 
with him. 

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He. 
Can't bring the family with him,

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I'm not sure why. 
Dude, is he allowed to tell the 

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family that this is what he's 
doing? 

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Yeah, I think they know what 
this is, what he's doing. 

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But this is the start of many 
years, very long stretches of 

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time when he is away from his 
family, who is back in 

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Massachusetts. 
He will be in Philadelphia and 

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then in Europe as an envoy in 
France and then later the 

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Netherlands and in total. 
Coming up, they will be apart 

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for 11 years. 
Oh my gosh. 

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I know he will go home, he will 
go home. 

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I know he will go home sometimes
to visit and then leave again 

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and then come back and then 
leave. 

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But like if you add up all the 
time he's away, it will be 11 

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years long distance and he. 
Probably didn't come home. 

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Maybe he stayed for larger 
chunks of time. 

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But back then, if you're 
traveling, you have to get on a 

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boat. 
You got to like get on then on 

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horse and buggy it's not that 
easy to just be no. 

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No, no, he would come home for 
months but then leave again for 

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like years. 
Oh, God bless Abigail. 

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That's tough, I know. 
So this is obviously a really 

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extreme situation, but it 
inspired me to ask our listeners

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on Patreon because we have polls
over there about long distance 

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and I asked what are your 
thoughts and experiences with 

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long distance relationships? 
And OK, so there are four 

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options. 
You could say I've done long 

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distance and would do it again 
if necessary. 

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I haven't done long distance, 
but I would if necessary. 

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I have done long distance, it 
would never again or I never 

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have and never would do long 
distance. 

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So the top answer 39% was I've 
done long distance and would do 

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it again and if necessary. 
Second one was with most 

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responses was I haven't done it 
but I would if I had to. 

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The third most results was I 
have done it and whenever again.

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And then seven 7% of people said
I never have and never would too

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long. 
Wow. 

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So 39 + 29, yeah. 
So like about 70% said that they

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would do it either again or for 
the first time. 

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Wow that's crazy that this is a 
really open minded bunch of 

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people are patrons like the the 
smallest percentage of people 

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are the people who said I've 
never done it and never will. 

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Like at least the people, a lot 
of the people who say they won't

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do it have had bad experiences 
so they're basing it off of. 

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That yeah, 25% did say I have 
and would never again. 

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And it's I'm going to read some 
responses from people like 

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comments, but it's interesting 
to think about. 

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Like I I do think that the line 
would never again or like you 

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wouldn't. 
I want, you know, you could take

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that either way. 
Like let's say your partner gets

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a job in a faraway land or 
something. 

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So it's saying you wouldn't. 
Does that mean you telling them 

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like, no, we're not and just 
like hoping they won't do the 

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thing that would make you them 
be long distance or maybe you 

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making a decision that would 
make your relationship stay 

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close together, you know, or 
does that mean breaking up? 

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You know what I mean? 
Like there's a couple ways. 

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I mean, sometimes if someone 
really wants to go far away, 

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there could be no other option 
if you can't come to an 

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agreement. 
Yeah, I mean, we've had couples 

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that have definitely broken up 
on this podcast about. 

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So. 
Much not agreeing on where to 

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live, which is huge. 
I think that's one thing. 

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See the thing about long 
distance for me is like I would 

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have to have an end date 
insight. 

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Like I could do it maybe for two
years if I knew that there was 

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some important reason why we had
to be long distance. 

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But I would honestly be more 
inclined to move and be long 

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distance in my current 
relationship because we I see my

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boyfriend all the time. 
It's same with you. 

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You live with your boyfriend and
our relationship has just been 

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founded on that. 
So like when we're not together,

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we don't really communicate that
often because I know I'm going 

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to see him soon. 
And sometimes it is hard when we

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don't like if we're both home 
for the holidays or for whatever

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reason, we're not that 
commutative because we're not 

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used to that. 
So I don't know if I would ever 

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really want to be long distance.
Yeah, it totally. 

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It totally depends. 
Some people, as I'm going to 

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read in the comments, like some 
people are really good at it, 

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some people not into that. 
It's, you know, everyone is 

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different. 
I, I have done a long distance 

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relationship. 
I mean, for a while it wasn't 

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that far. 
It was like Boston to Maine. 

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So not that far. 
But you know, when I started 

456
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,760
abroad, it was only a couple of 
months, but it was hard, 

457
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,440
especially being different time 
zones. 

458
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:32,680
I do think having an end date 
helps and I kind of weird to get

459
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:38,000
real about a past relationship, 
but I think we didn't know when 

460
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,720
it was going to end or like we 
didn't and we were young too. 

461
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,760
I, I think it depends where you 
are in your life too. 

462
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,440
Like it can be kind of scary to 
make a move or something for a 

463
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,080
relationship when you don't 
really know if this is the one 

464
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:54,280
or you know what I mean? 
In John and Abigail's case, I 

465
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,560
mean, they are married and 
they're also both very 

466
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,640
religious, so they're not going 
to like get divorced over this, 

467
00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:04,120
I don't think. 
And it's the 1700s, so it it was

468
00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:06,160
a different time, I think. 
But I. 

469
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,080
Wonder how much of A choice he 
gave her like I feel like in 

470
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,720
relationships you do have to 
make these decisions together. 

471
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,040
I'm sure she probably would have
rather him stayed home like but 

472
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,480
I wonder if he even asked for 
her opinion. 

473
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,600
I know and that's something we 
don't really know today but 

474
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,200
anyway I'm going to read a 
couple of comments. 

475
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,520
Peyton said I've ended up doing 
a lot long distance. 

476
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,960
I hope this is OK at reading it.
I've ended up doing long 

477
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,440
distance with every BF I've had 
lol. 

478
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,400
Me and my partner now been 
together for three years and 

479
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,560
long distance for one. 
It sucks and it's annoying but 

480
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,800
with the right person I think 
you can really make it work as 

481
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,360
long as you're both willing to 
put in the effort and there's an

482
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:45,080
eventual plan to be in the same 
place. 

483
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,880
Yes, I think that's key, the 
plan to be in the same place 

484
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,760
eventually. 
Amy said. 

485
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,000
I worked on a cruise ship on 
cruise ships for 10 years and 

486
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,680
was separated by ships from 
boyfriends. 

487
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,040
In my experience, absence does 
not make the heart grow fonder. 

488
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,680
Absence is a recipe for someone 
straying and it's difficult to 

489
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,640
maintain slash grow relationship
and connection when you don't 

490
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,200
have common experiences for long
periods. 0 out of 10 would not 

491
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:09,880
recommend. 
Oh. 

492
00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:14,560
No, I hope there's no one 
listening who's like newly in a 

493
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,680
long distance relationship and 
they're like. 

494
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,480
No, no. 
Well, John and Abigail will be 

495
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,600
inspiration for you and it was 
way, way, way, way harder back 

496
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,240
then than now. 
So I I hope you are inspired by 

497
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,120
their strength. 
Victoria said. 

498
00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:31,440
I did long distance with my ex 
for three years and I moved 

499
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,600
after I finished college. 
We broke up within six months 

500
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,680
after that. 
Allison said. 

501
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,680
My high school to college 
relationship on and off for 

502
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,880
seven years was long distance. 
It was young, first love. 

503
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,040
I think it's doable in my 
relationship now where there is 

504
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,880
so much more trust and equity. 
Yeah. 

505
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,280
I mean, yeah, I would say in my 
current relationship, if we had 

506
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,040
to for some reason, I would. 
But hopefully that doesn't. 

507
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,280
I mean, I work remotely. 
I don't know why that would 

508
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:56,920
happen. 
I have. 

509
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,880
No idea what circumstance would.
You guys are both in the same 

510
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,920
area too, I know. 
One. 

511
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,160
Yeah. 
What could it possibly be? 

512
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,800
This is a. 
Good thought experiment. 

513
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:14,320
I truly do not know, Mel. 
I cannot think of a reason that 

514
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,440
would happen. 
I don't know, but that's kind of

515
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,080
nice, I think. 
I think, you know, when I was 

516
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,560
younger, things were so much 
more like turbulent and I often 

517
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,320
found myself dating people that 
didn't live that close to. 

518
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,520
Yeah, I don't. 
Know anyway, anyway, let's get 

519
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,480
into it. 
Their actual relationship year 

520
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,200
to year. 
So we're going to read their 

521
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:38,320
letters together back and forth.
And I just got to say I tried 

522
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,440
Googling this. 
I searched everywhere for this 

523
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:45,240
and I feel like I'm the first 
person to ever ask this question

524
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,800
on the Internet. 
I could be wrong but I have not 

525
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,680
seen anybody write this or 
anything. 

526
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,480
But throughout all the letters 
between John and Abigail Adams, 

527
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,480
they are very sweet to each 
other, very loving. 

528
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,000
They say like my dearest yours 
yours, yours forever yours. 

529
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,080
They say things like that, but 
they never write the words I 

530
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,680
love you. 
Isn't that weird? 

531
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,400
Why is that? 
I was. 

532
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,960
Wondering did you find out? 
No, I mean, I Even so I had the 

533
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,400
book, you know, but then I found
a digital version and I searched

534
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,080
it. 
I searched the words I love you.

535
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,040
I even just searched love you. 
It didn't come up. 

536
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,640
I was wondering, could it be 
because a few times that they 

537
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,680
did write it, those letters just
so happened to be destroyed or 

538
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,640
not saved possibly? 
Or did people just not write 

539
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,000
that back then? 
I don't know. 

540
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,360
Yeah, but don't. 
You think that's weird? 

541
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,960
I feel like I would sign it with
every single letter, any card, 

542
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,680
any card like birthday card or 
anything that I give anyone very

543
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,240
dear to me. 
I always write I love you in it 

544
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,240
me. 
Too. 

545
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,440
I just thought that was very 
odd. 

546
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,200
Maybe they were, you know, 
playing it cool. 

547
00:28:55,320 --> 00:29:00,320
Maybe I will get to this, but 
John was very paranoid that 

548
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:05,400
people would read his let their 
letters when especially when he 

549
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,440
was in Europe later, because he 
was like a public figure of this

550
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,160
revolution and such. 
But I still don't know why that.

551
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,000
I mean, they still write a lot 
of things in their letters, so I

552
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:16,760
don't know why they wouldn't 
write I love you. 

553
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,560
I don't know. 
Yeah, maybe they that wasn't in 

554
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,160
fashion or something, I don't 
know. 

555
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,600
But yeah, I have not found 
anybody else on the Internet 

556
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,000
talking about that, which is 
weird. 

557
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:33,440
In the letters she often signed 
them Porsche, which was the wife

558
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,120
of the Roman Republican patriot 
Lucius Brutus. 

559
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,880
Lucius Julius Brutus. 
They're both very inspired by 

560
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,800
ancient Rome. 
And John would call her Porsche 

561
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,600
back. 
I think he would call himself 

562
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,520
some nicknames too sometimes. 
But she seemed very committed to

563
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,680
the Porsche nickname. 
That's so cultured of her I 

564
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,720
know. 
One of John's letters did fall 

565
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,640
into British hands and was 
published in the newspaper. 

566
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,680
So he does censor himself a lot 
because he's in fear that that 

567
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,640
will happen again. 
So maybe, as I said, that's 

568
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,600
maybe why he didn't write I love
you, but I I still don't get it.

569
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,040
Well. 
What's embarrassing about that? 

570
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:07,960
I know. 
Right. 

571
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,240
I know. 
Maybe so he. 

572
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,480
Didn't say it a lot that. 
I know. 

573
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,480
Maybe they didn't. 
I don't know. 

574
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,920
He often doesn't reveal people's
names and isn't specific about 

575
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,040
what's going on, doesn't share 
like, confidential information 

576
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,400
about the war in Congress, But 
he does talk about it a little 

577
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,440
bit. 
He writes that he's he often 

578
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,400
writes that he's annoyed with 
the men around him and 

579
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:32,200
complaints and expresses envy 
and annoyance, especially 

580
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,480
towards Ben Franklin and the 
attention he gets. 

581
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:41,200
He really did not like Benjamin 
Franklin, which is funny because

582
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,480
I don't know, I feel like 
usually you hear about people 

583
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,040
loving him. 
So the lawyers I'm I'm starting 

584
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,680
in June 1774, so he hasn't left 
for Philadelphia yet, but he is 

585
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,640
in York, ME, which is pretty 
close to where I live now. 

586
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,720
And in the letter, he complaints
that all the young lawyers are 

587
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,520
making a lot of money still in 
British pounds, but he's still 

588
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,600
poor. 
And he admits that he spent a 

589
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,640
lot. 
But he mentions that people are 

590
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,320
richer in the country and 
suggests they move somewhere 

591
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,440
cheaper. 
And I just couldn't believe that

592
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,920
because it's like still so 
relatable more than 200 years 

593
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,760
later, like, oh, it's so much 
cheaper out here, maybe we 

594
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,400
should move. 
I just can't believe that. 

595
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,120
In another letter really soon 
after, he debates if he should 

596
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,840
just give up law and instead 
just be a farmer at home and 

597
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,880
teach his kids. 
So he does that a lot. 

598
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,520
Like he even though he wants to 
be this great man he sometimes 

599
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,400
is, Like, maybe I should just be
a farmer. 

600
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,600
You know? 
This is too much. 

601
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,320
Yeah. 
Around this time, 1774, it seems

602
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,560
like she's either busier than 
him or he didn't have her 

603
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,520
letters or maybe they weren't 
saved or something because he's 

604
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,880
writing every single day and 
she's not. 

605
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:57,680
And he's working on a case in 
Maine, and she's presumably busy

606
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,800
running the house with the kids 
in the garden. 

607
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,880
And he doesn't mention anything 
that she's written, so it seems 

608
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,920
like he's just writing to her 
with no response. 

609
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,360
I feel like that's so much worse
than double texting. 

610
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,680
I know double sending a letter. 
I know he writes a lot about 

611
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,120
things that bother him with work
and the newspapers and politics,

612
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,920
things like that. 
And you can tell because he 

613
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,520
writes all these philosophical 
things. 

614
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,120
I just think he really did think
of her as his intellectual 

615
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,000
equal. 
And I could be wrong, but I feel

616
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,320
like it wasn't that common back 
then. 

617
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,400
So it's it's nice to see. 
I feel like even today, 

618
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,480
sometimes men are like, oh, you 
wouldn't get it or something. 

619
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,320
So it's just cool to see him 
going on and on for pages, 

620
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,360
honestly, to her. 
So I don't know. 

621
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,040
OK. 
But then July 1774, he goes to 

622
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,880
Philadelphia to be part of the 
Continental Congress, the 

623
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,000
rebellion against the crown, and
he writes to her. 

624
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,080
The letters I have written or 
may write, my dear, must be kept

625
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,200
secret or at least shown with 
great caution. dot, dot, dot 

626
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,480
kiss, my dear babes, for me 
you're John Adams. 

627
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,920
And then he has APS and he says 
he forgot to tell a story about 

628
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,160
asking someone for tea. 
And she said, no, we aren't 

629
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,920
serving tea anymore, only 
coffee, I think because of the 

630
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,120
taxation things going on with 
Britain. 

631
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,360
And he declares that tea must be
universally renounced and that 

632
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:23,360
he's had coffee every day since.
No, I know. 

633
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,680
It's really interesting, you 
know, how England loves their 

634
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,160
tea. 
And I mean, people still drink 

635
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,320
tea in America, but overall, 
people drink coffee more often, 

636
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,240
I'd say. 
And I think it's because of 

637
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,480
that. 
Yeah, it became like out of 

638
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,600
fashion, as you said earlier, it
was like. 

639
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,960
Patriotic to drink coffee 
instead of tea. 

640
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,120
Wait, that's so true. 
That's so interesting. 

641
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,320
I do love tea, Daisy. 
I'm a tea I. 

642
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,760
Know you are tea. 
I'm definitely coffee. 

643
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,520
I mean I have tea sometimes, but
I love my coffee. 

644
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,400
I'm a lawyer going to be a lot 
about drinks in this podcast. 

645
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,800
August, 1774 We still don't 
have. 

646
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,840
She has written letters, but I 
just haven't found them like 

647
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,320
worthy enough to read yet. 
But there will be Abigail 

648
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,600
letters. 
August 1774 John ends his letter

649
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,679
to her. 
I have kept a few minutes by way

650
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:13,639
of a journal, which shall be 
your entertainment when I come 

651
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:15,960
home. 
But we have had so many persons 

652
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,199
and so various characters to 
converse with, and so many 

653
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,760
objects to view, that I have not
been able to be so particular as

654
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,960
I wish I could. 
I am with the tenderest 

655
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,159
affections and concerns. 
You're wandering. 

656
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:34,000
John Adams, sweet. 
I wouldn't like to hear you're 

657
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,800
wandering, I know. 
I think he just means like I'm 

658
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,760
away from. 
Home, I know like I'm a. 

659
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:45,440
Wandering soul, I don't know. 
Not all who wander are lost in 

660
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,320
her next letters. 
I just thought she was very 

661
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,320
sweet. 
She signed it. 

662
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:53,199
Your most affectionate friend. 
Your most affectionate Abigail 

663
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:56,040
Adams. 
And then she often starts them. 

664
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,360
My dearest friend. 
Yeah, see, I think there's 

665
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,280
something so romantic about in a
relationship, referring to your 

666
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,640
romantic partner as your friend.
Like, that's when it's like a 

667
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,920
true level of intimacy. 
Yeah, it is really sweet. 

668
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,320
They always call each other my 
dearest friend. 

669
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,480
That's cute. 
I know. 

670
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,880
PR relationship. 
PR No, all these are private 

671
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,600
letters. 
No, you're kidding me. 

672
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,560
No, I mean, maybe like they 
really were friends, but they're

673
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,240
jealous friends, yeah. 
Where did the six kids? 

674
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:31,160
Come from That's why they don't 
say I love you. 

675
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,040
Oh. 
Maybe. 

676
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,920
No, I'm sure he used to believe 
that with. 

677
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,360
All that time, I guess he did 
come back. 

678
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,760
I was going to say with all that
time in a way that they could 

679
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,600
make 6 kids but. 
I guess I mean the kids. 

680
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,160
Probably didn't know him that 
well. 

681
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,640
I know. 
Did he write letters to the kids

682
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,040
too? 
He did. 

683
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:56,040
I think he mostly wrote them to 
John Quincy, the oldest son, but

684
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,400
I think he didn't write to the 
others as much as he should 

685
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:04,320
have, probably unfortunately. 
September 1774, British soldiers

686
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,400
removed gunpowder and other 
military supplies from a 

687
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,920
magazine near Boston. 
This was known as the powder 

688
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,640
alarm. 
It caused reaction and 

689
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,160
widespread alarm, and there were
rumors spread that blood had 

690
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,800
been shed and American patriots 
feared war was imminent. 

691
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,960
Thousands of militiamen marched 
toward Boston and Cambridge, and

692
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,920
mobs forced loyalists and some 
government officials to seek 

693
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,360
protection from the British 
Army. 

694
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:28,720
It's basically like riots are 
starting. 

695
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:31,400
People are freaking out. 
And though the alarm proved to 

696
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,840
be false, it was kind of like a 
dress rehearsal for what was 

697
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,800
going to occur soon. 
And John was curious about what 

698
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:43,280
was happening in Boston and 
later fearful because they're 

699
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,000
very close to Boston. 
I mean, they're basically in the

700
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,960
Boston area. 
That's like where Quincy is. 

701
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,840
In a letter, Abigail wrote that 
she wished most sincerely that 

702
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,880
there's not a slave in the 
province. 

703
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,320
I just want to mention that 
because I do think she was a 

704
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,560
great woman and they needed 
people like that back then. 

705
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,920
You know, John writes about the 
Congress and says that 50 

706
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,160
gentlemen meeting together, all 
strangers, are not acquainted 

707
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,240
with each other's languages, 
ideas, views, designs. 

708
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:13,480
They are therefore jealous of 
each other, fearful, timid, 

709
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,520
skittish. 
It's just funny to think of the 

710
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,600
founding fathers like that. 
And he wrote that he's weary to 

711
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,440
death with Congress, and he 
thinks everyone, everybody 

712
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,800
thinks very highly of 
themselves, and it's impossible 

713
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,720
to move forward with any 
decisions. 

714
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,880
He seems to be writing more 
often, but he writes that he 

715
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,800
wishes he could write a dozen 
letters every day, which is 

716
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,360
sweet. 
Yeah, I mean, that was a lot of 

717
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,640
work to have to write a letter 
I. 

718
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,120
Mean, yeah, when you think about
it, I mean, at least I. 

719
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,000
You said this kind of earlier, 
but when you're long distance 

720
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,360
now, you communicate throughout 
the day so you can like, you 

721
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,000
know, a little thing that 
happens. 

722
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,440
Oh, you can send pictures. 
Yeah. 

723
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,360
Yeah, exactly. 
Like FaceTime, people don't 

724
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,960
drink tea anymore. 
You just send that quick text 

725
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,360
off the moment it happens. 
But back then, any little thing 

726
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,400
throughout your day, you have to
save it and remember it and in 

727
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,840
order to put it in your letter. 
Yeah, April 1775. 

728
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,480
I know it would be. 
I feel bad for Abigail. 

729
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,720
I feel bad for him too. 
But like, he's definitely really

730
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:19,080
busy. 
I heard that the Congress, it 

731
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,080
was basically all day and night.
Like they would start at I think

732
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:29,080
10:00 AM and be meeting until it
wasn't that long actually, like 

733
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,400
four or five or so. 
But then they would have dinners

734
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,080
every night. 
It was like a lot of socializing

735
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,240
too. 
So it was just like all day, 

736
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:39,200
every day he was with people. 
But then she's just at home. 

737
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,160
I mean, she has the kids and she
has like, her nearby family, but

738
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,880
it's got to be lonely. 
April 1775, the first shots of 

739
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,320
the war, the Revolutionary War, 
happened at Lexington and 

740
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,840
Concord. 
It's funny, some of the podcasts

741
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,720
I listen to, people called it 
Concord. 

742
00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:01,720
No, John is obviously not there 
for the start of the war. 

743
00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:03,960
And it's emotionally happening 
in Massachusetts. 

744
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,760
And so he's writing letters 
being like, what's happening, 

745
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,400
what's going on? 
Tell me everything. 

746
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,400
June 1775, he mentioned that 
Colonel Washington appeared at 

747
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,600
Congress in his uniform and was 
advising them on military 

748
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,680
matters. 
And then in July, he wrote to 

749
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,440
Abigail. 
It gives me more pleasure than I

750
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,720
can express to learn that you 
sustain with so much fortitude 

751
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:26,680
the shocks and terrors of the 
time. 

752
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,320
You are really brave, my dear. 
You are a heroine and you have 

753
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,360
no reason to be. 
And then he ends the letter. 

754
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,960
I am forever yours. 
Oh, that's so sweet. 

755
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,200
I know so George Washington at 
this point he's just a general 

756
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,000
in the war, but you know he will
be the president. 

757
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,960
He stopped by the Adam's house 
and Abigail hosted him. 

758
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,320
So John wasn't there, but she 
wrote to John. 

759
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,360
I was struck with General 
Washington. 

760
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,080
You had prepared me to entertain
a favourable, favourable opinion

761
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,960
of him, but I thought the half 
was not told to me. 

762
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,480
Dignity with ease and 
complacency, the gentleman and 

763
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,600
the soldier. 
Modesty marks every line and 

764
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,960
feature of his face. 
Wow, I was like oh is she into? 

765
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,360
Him kind of sounds like I know I
was struck by him. 

766
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:21,080
I know modesty marks every line 
and feature of his face. 

767
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,560
Yeah, again, we have. 
I guess we have to remember 

768
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,040
that's a different time. 
Who describes someone like that 

769
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:27,360
now? 
I know I. 

770
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,120
Don't know, I guess she was 
writing to her husband too so 

771
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,320
she had to not be too 
complimentary, but it seems like

772
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,360
she liked him. 
Abigail makes a complaint to 

773
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,560
John that all his letters seem 
to be written so quickly that 

774
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,440
they don't leave any room for a 
social feeling. 

775
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,040
That's so funny. 
She wrote. 

776
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,120
They let me know you exist, but 
some of them contain scarcely 6 

777
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,400
lines. 
I want some sentimental 

778
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,800
effusions of the heart. 
Oh my God, that's. 

779
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,280
So I feel like that happens now,
too. 

780
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,800
It's like, put some emojis in 
there. 

781
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,320
I know that's not emotional 
enough. 

782
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:08,440
Yeah, some things never change. 
She writes lots, of lots about 

783
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,680
what's going on, the war on with
the war to him. 

784
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,120
And I wrote just like in a 
sticky note on a letter around 

785
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,120
this time, I just wrote, he 
really loves her, trusts her, 

786
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,440
values her opinion, confides in 
her. 

787
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:24,400
She's his person. 
So I just had that thought. 

788
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:31,200
He does return home finally, 
July 1775, but briefly because 

789
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,080
he returns in August to 
Philadelphia and she writes to 

790
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,760
him. 
The return of the my dear 

791
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,160
partner after four months 
absence is a pleasure I cannot 

792
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,960
express. 
And then things take a turn for 

793
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,360
the worse for the Addams family.
September 1775. 

794
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:53,480
Everyone around her in Boston, 
Braintree is sick and dying of 

795
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,800
dysentery and living in a lot of
fear of the war. 

796
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:01,880
In October, her mother dies and 
she's distraught and she signs 

797
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,480
the letter Your distressed 
Porsche. 

798
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,840
And then John's brother and 
their servant Patty died too. 

799
00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:11,920
And Abigail was actually so 
distraught about Patty that I 

800
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,360
thought that she was her 
daughter. 

801
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,280
I actually wrote in my notes 
like their daughter Patty died. 

802
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,560
And then I realized later, like,
wait a SEC, they don't have a 

803
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,200
daughter named Patty, but it was
their servant, I guess. 

804
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,280
Yeah, but I'm sure like, she 
must have been like, almost like

805
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:25,680
a member of the family. 
Yeah. 

806
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,600
Which I thought was kind of 
touching. 

807
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,600
I mean, it's really tragic that 
she died. 

808
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,040
Well, all of them died, but I 
thought that was touching, that 

809
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,360
she cared that much about her. 
And I was writing about how lost

810
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,400
and how heavy her heart is, and 
she's just breaking down with 

811
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,720
all the sickness and death. 
But then she concludes letters. 

812
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:45,680
Still, I have many blessings 
left, many comforts, thankful 

813
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,720
for and rejoicing. 
So she's staying strong. 

814
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,120
In October, John writes to her 
that he's very afraid for her 

815
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,040
safety and that the British 
officials could read their 

816
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,520
letters. 
And he writes they may peep. 

817
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,480
I just thought that was funny. 
Let me peep. 

818
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,440
In another letter he wrote, If I
ever come here meaning 

819
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,280
Philadelphia again, I must bring
you with me. 

820
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,200
I could live here pleasantly if 
I had you with me. 

821
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,160
And then he says, what if we 
should let me please myself with

822
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,160
the thought? 
I feel like I so relate. 

823
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,280
I'm always like, what if we 
lived here? 

824
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,600
I wonder how long it took for 
the letters to get to each 

825
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:25,680
other. 
I should. 

826
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,800
Have figured that out. 
I'm not sure. 

827
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,080
No, I. 
Guess we don't know. 

828
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,320
I mean, even if we that's true. 
I only have the date. 

829
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,280
Yeah. 
When the date was written on it.

830
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,360
I think it could be weeks or a 
month maybe. 

831
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,560
Or I don't know, maybe less. 
I can't really tell. 

832
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:45,640
I thought it was sweet. 
He signed the letter. 

833
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:46,520
Yours. 
Yours. 

834
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,040
Yours. 
So crazy that we're reading this

835
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,400
hundreds of years later. 
It's weird. 

836
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,520
Like, I was thinking about this.
Think about this man. 

837
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,400
Like actually sitting down at 
his desk. 

838
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,440
It's like wood. 
Like a real person with a pen 

839
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,040
and paper, I'm writing this. 
Yeah, and he's not thinking 

840
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,920
anything of it. 
It's just a letter to his wife. 

841
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,520
And then years later there's 2 
girls in their rooms with 

842
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:11,160
microphones. 
They don't even know what those 

843
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,000
are. 
I know recording a podcast 

844
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:15,920
talking about it, I would be 
telling. 

845
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:19,600
Him what that is? 
I wonder if he'd be like a 

846
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,280
little red in the face over 
that. 

847
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,600
Probably. 
Sorry, John. 

848
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,040
Later, in October 1775, she 
wrote. 

849
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,800
My pen is always freer than my 
tongue. 

850
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,600
I have written many things to 
you that I suppose I never could

851
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,640
have talked. 
Do you find interesting? 

852
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,520
And she's still very sad about 
Patty, which is sweet. 

853
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:41,120
And then John wrote back. 
If I could write as well as you,

854
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,680
my sorrow would be as eloquent 
as yours. 

855
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:48,720
But upon my word I cannot. 
So I can't express his grief, I 

856
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,720
guess. 
November 4th, 1775. 

857
00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:55,920
He writes about Missus Hancock. 
So I'd be John Hancock's wife. 

858
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,560
And how in a crowd she's totally
silent as a lady ought to be, 

859
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,920
John. 
But whether her eyes are so 

860
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,200
penetrating and her attention so
quick to the words, looks, 

861
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:13,000
gestures, sentiments of the 
company as yours would be saucy 

862
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,280
as you are this way, I won't say
so. 

863
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,960
He's calling her saucy. 
Interesting, that's coming 

864
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,920
across like a little flirty way 
I. 

865
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,600
Know, missus, I think it is. 
I think it is. 

866
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,560
No, I think he's saying 
Abigail's flirty. 

867
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,720
He's saying she's silent. 
But whether her eyes and her 

868
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:35,840
looks or whatever are as saucy 
as yours, I won't say so. 

869
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,240
But. 
Oh, but I won't say like. 

870
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,720
He's kind of hinting that like, 
Missus Hancock is saucy, but 

871
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:47,720
he's also calling Abigail saucy,
which is kind of funny. 

872
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,880
But yeah, mine he's losing some 
points for saying a lady ought 

873
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,920
to be silent. 
Yeah, it was a different. 

874
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,440
Time. 
Different time. 

875
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,000
I know, I know. 
Abigail has been asking him to 

876
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,240
write to her father and sister 
and he basically says I wish I 

877
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:07,760
could but I'm way too busy and I
need exercise. 

878
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:09,760
What? 
But that was funny. 

879
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,920
It's just saying like, I'm too 
busy to write to them and I 

880
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:18,160
really need to exercise. 
In November, he was also 

881
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,080
appointed the Chief Justice of 
the Massachusetts Superior 

882
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,040
Court. 
But he actually never filled 

883
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,560
that office, but he was offered 
the job if he wanted it. 

884
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,640
Abigail wrote to him. 
I have been like a nun in a 

885
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,760
cloister ever since you went 
away and have not been to any 

886
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,840
other house besides my father 
and sisters, except once to 

887
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,120
Colonel Quincy. 
My evenings are lonesome and 

888
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:43,560
melancholy. 
And I that kind of touched me in

889
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,720
a way. 
I was like, wow, I guess people 

890
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:52,000
have always had no life. 
Yeah, I feel that way sometimes.

891
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,440
I feel like there was less to do
though, like if I knew it would 

892
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,200
be hard to have a social life I.
Don't know why I have this 

893
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,840
vision that back then people 
were like always with their 

894
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,840
neighbors or something. 
Yeah, I think that too. 

895
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,400
Family and they have like a 
little dance and then they're 

896
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,120
all by the fire. 
Yeah. 

897
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,640
And then people are coming in 
and out. 

898
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,840
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Maybe. 

899
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,280
Not so. 
They're writing, you know, all 

900
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,360
throughout, they're writing a 
lot about politics and what the 

901
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,600
new country should be and what's
going to happen. 

902
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,800
And she writes about his secrecy
because he's so paranoid that 

903
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,040
people are going to read their 
letters. 

904
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,920
She writes, I think you are more
cautious than you need to be, 

905
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,360
which is kind of funny. 
John returns to Massachusetts 

906
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:39,440
for Christmas, but then he goes 
back to Philly not long after 

907
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,800
March 1776. 
She writes her now famous letter

908
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,080
that is beloved by feminists all
over. 

909
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,720
It's like on March and stuff it 
says and by the way, in your new

910
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:57,840
code of laws, which I suppose it
will be necessary for you to 

911
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,080
make, I desire you would 
remember the ladies and be more 

912
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,080
generous and favorable to them 
than your ancestors. 

913
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:09,520
So just that remember the ladies
is a quote of hers that people 

914
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,240
talk about a lot. 
And she asks if men could give 

915
00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:15,760
up the harsh title of master for
the more tender and endearing 

916
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,840
one of friend. 
That's cute. 

917
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,920
She writes another letter and 
says I miss my partner. 

918
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,120
They really do seem like equals 
and I feel like he really does 

919
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:32,440
value her opinion. 
Yes, however, a month, a month 

920
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,400
after she wrote it, John 
responds to her. 

921
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,920
Remember the ladies letter? 
He basically laughs it off and 

922
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:44,360
writes I cannot but laugh and 
you are so saucy and depend upon

923
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:45,920
it. 
We know better than to repeal 

924
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:50,200
our masculine system. 
I know. 

925
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,040
And she fires back. 
She writes like this whole 

926
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,800
paragraph. 
I cannot say that I think you're

927
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,440
very generous to the ladies for 
wills. 

928
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,160
You're proclaiming peace and 
goodwill to men, emancipating 

929
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,440
all nations. 
You insist upon retaining an 

930
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,040
absolute power over wives. 
But you must remember that 

931
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,480
arbitrary power is like most 
other things which are very 

932
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,560
hard, very liable to be broken. 
And notwithstanding all your 

933
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,680
wise laws and maxims, we have it
in our power, and not only to be

934
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,400
free ourselves, but to do our 
masters, and without violence, 

935
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,520
throw both your natural and 
legal authority at our feet. 

936
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:21,840
Good. 
Good. 

937
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,120
Like saucy. 
Why would that be flirty, you 

938
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,400
idiot? 
Thanks. 

939
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,400
Thanks. 
You are so saucy. 

940
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,840
God. 
Did he respond to that? 

941
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,640
Not really. 
Not really. 

942
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,040
I know she also writes that his 
letters have been much shorter 

943
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,000
and not acknowledging everything
she said. 

944
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,400
Oh yeah. 
So he didn't. 

945
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,600
I think he just dropped the 
remember the ladies thing. 

946
00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:50,360
And she writes either you 
haven't gotten my letters or you

947
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,480
want us to be more concise. 
But I'm not going to take the 

948
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,120
hint. 
I paraphrase, but she basically 

949
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,680
is like, I don't know if you 
want me to write shorter 

950
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,760
letters, but I'm not going to. 
I love that. 

951
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:06,200
I know she's cool. 
April 28th, 1776 John writes to 

952
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,560
her. 
Is there no way for two friendly

953
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,760
souls to converse together 
although the bodies are 400 

954
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,320
miles off? 
Yes, by letter, but I want a 

955
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,040
better communication. 
I want to hear you think and or 

956
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,280
to see your thoughts. 
The conclusion of your letter 

957
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,640
makes my heart throb more than a
cannonade. 

958
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:27,600
Would who said that he didn't? 
John, John, Just sweet. 

959
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,600
That's the thing about long 
distance. 

960
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,640
I feel like for me, like 
physical touch is like such a 

961
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,400
nice thing, like just being able
to not say anything and cuddle 

962
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,800
at the end of the day. 
And that would be so hard that 

963
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,560
you're only reliant on your 
words. 

964
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,440
And if someone's not a 
wordsmith, like, that's really 

965
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,440
difficult. 
Luckily for them, I think they 

966
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,320
both were wordsmiths sounds. 
Like he was a little lazy with 

967
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,240
his word. 
Yeah. 

968
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,360
Even though he's the one there 
kind of complaining. 

969
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,560
I still think, because I read 
their letters, I still think he 

970
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,760
did write pretty long letters. 
But I do think he spent a lot of

971
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,760
time talking about the Congress.
Maybe she was like, OK, yeah, 

972
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:10,600
that's enough. 
Like what else? 

973
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,280
I. 
Don't know. 

974
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,200
But despite the sweet letter 
where he says like, I want a 

975
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,160
better communication, I want to 
see you, I want to hear you. 

976
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,680
I was getting the sense in May 
1776 that she was getting a 

977
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,400
little annoyed with him. 
She started a letter saying I 

978
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,640
don't feel like writing. 
And then he also that he hasn't 

979
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,200
been writing enough and said 
that it's too tiring to travel 

980
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:36,680
home for short times. 
I'm sure it was a very tough 

981
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:43,560
they're going to make it. 
Through John wrote to her May 

982
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:48,120
17th, 1776. 
In one or two of your letters 

983
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,440
you remind me to think of you as
I ought. 

984
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:52,720
So she keeps writing, like, 
think of me. 

985
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,920
And he writes. 
Be assured there is not an hour 

986
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,400
of the day which I don't think 
of you as I ought, that is, with

987
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,080
every sentiment of tenderness, 
esteem, and admiration. 

988
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:06,440
So I did think that was nice, 
like I am thinking of you all 

989
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,160
the time. 
He writes another letter in May 

990
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,760
saying that among all the 
disappointments in life, nothing

991
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,560
has affected him as much as the 
choice blessing of a wife is 

992
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,160
her. 
And he writes. 

993
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,360
I read again and again your 
charming letters. 

994
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,240
I want to take a walk with you 
in the garden, to go over the 

995
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:25,480
common, the plane, the Meadow. 
I want to take Charles in one 

996
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,480
hand and Tom in the other, and 
walk with you, Nabby on your 

997
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,400
right hand and John upon my 
left. 

998
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:32,600
Aww. 
Which is very sweet. 

999
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,400
She hasn't gotten his letters 
recently though, or they're 

1000
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,680
really delayed. 
But she because she writes May 

1001
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,600
27th around the same time he's 
writing this and says what can 

1002
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:43,520
be the reason? 
I have not heard from you since 

1003
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,920
the 20th of April and now tis 
the 27th of May. 

1004
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,480
Oh wow, I know it's. 
A really long time. 

1005
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,160
I'd be nervous. 
Like are they still? 

1006
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:55,200
Alive. 
I know a whole month. 

1007
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,920
That's crazy. 
But he has been writing letters 

1008
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,440
so I think they're just super 
delayed. 

1009
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,360
Abigail writes that Charlestown,
the neighbourhood of Boston, has

1010
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,320
been reduced to ashes. 
There's a constant roar of the 

1011
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,680
cannon she hears all night. 
She says they can't eat, drink 

1012
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,520
or sleep. 
Basically, Boston is a war zone 

1013
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,600
right now, which is crazy. 
And I do find it. 

1014
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:19,320
I know he's like doing important
work, but I do find it a bit 

1015
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,920
nuts that he would leave his 
wife and family there. 

1016
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:28,280
Yeah, I wonder if there's like 
any, not to be like sexist about

1017
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:33,040
this, but like if there's any 
man there helping her not not 

1018
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,280
that she necessarily needs a 
man, but like, oh, I'd be 

1019
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:37,600
scared. 
No, I know. 

1020
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:41,280
I think she. 
Does have family members around 

1021
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,800
both of their families. 
But yeah, I would be scared, 

1022
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,400
too. 
I hope she's not just home alone

1023
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,880
because, yeah, like, war is 
really, really dangerous. 

1024
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,920
Like, some man could just come 
in the house and, you know, 

1025
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,520
people take advantage of 
situations. 

1026
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:57,640
So it is really scary. 
But I, I think she did have the 

1027
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:02,440
family there. 
June 1776 John was named the 

1028
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,160
president of the Board of War 
and Ordinance. 

1029
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,200
And then I just wrote that he 
ends his letter My love 

1030
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:13,720
everywhere. 
July 2nd, 1776 Congress votes 

1031
00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:17,480
for independence and approves 
the Declaration of Independence.

1032
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,120
I read that John Adams was 
actually asked to write the 

1033
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,960
Declaration of Independence, but
he said he was too busy so that 

1034
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:26,680
job went to Thomas Jefferson. 
It's. 

1035
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,360
Kind of crazy. 
So he could have had that honor,

1036
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,640
but. 
What an opportunity to turn down

1037
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,280
I. 
Know, but yes, he signs the 

1038
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,560
Declaration of Independence. 
I think it was designed two days

1039
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,720
later on July 4th, 4th of July, 
you know, July 20th. 

1040
00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:43,680
It's funny because even though 
all of this is going on, they're

1041
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,960
still having their relational 
problems and issues and stuff. 

1042
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,560
He gets upset in a letter to her
and says he feels like her and 

1043
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,680
his friends have forgotten about
him. 

1044
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,760
He writes. 
This has been a dull day to me. 

1045
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,880
I waited the arrival of post 
with so much solitude and 

1046
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,280
impatience, and then he kept 
writing. 

1047
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,640
If you were too busy to write, I
hoped that some kind hand would 

1048
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,840
have been found to let me know 
something about you. 

1049
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,240
Do my friends think that I have 
been a politician for so long to

1050
00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:15,040
have lost all feeling? 
Do they suppose I've forgotten 

1051
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,240
my wife and children, or they so
panic struck with the loss of 

1052
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:20,560
Canada as to be afraid to 
correspond with me? 

1053
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,400
Or have they forgotten that you 
have a husband and your children

1054
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,920
a father? 
What have I done, or admitted to

1055
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,960
do, that I should be thus 
forgotten and neglected in the 

1056
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,480
most tender and infecting scene 
in my life? 

1057
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,680
Don't miss stake me. 
I don't blame you. 

1058
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,160
And then he goes on to say, I 
know you're busy, but twenty 

1059
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:38,600
other people could have written 
to me. 

1060
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,480
So like. 
We've all had those times for 

1061
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,680
like, wait, everybody hate me 
right now. 

1062
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,640
I know. 
I think they say like, if you 

1063
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,880
think everybody hates you, take 
a nap. 

1064
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,400
Really. 
If you, if you, if you hate 

1065
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:58,600
everybody, eat something and if 
you hate yourself, take a 

1066
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:03,560
shower. 
So maybe he maybe he should have

1067
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,600
taken a little nap. 
Maybe he was tired. 

1068
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,920
Maybe. 
But maybe if it weren't writing.

1069
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,800
But there is literally a war 
going on. 

1070
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,200
Like, true. 
Yeah, not everything is about 

1071
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,240
you, you know. 
I do, I just love. 

1072
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,560
I don't know why. 
I love relating to people from 

1073
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,800
like hundreds of years ago. 
I know you have. 

1074
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,560
Those days like wow, no one 
texted me about hanging out this

1075
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:27,560
weekend yeah no one has asked me
what's up with me in forever. 

1076
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,480
No one cares I. 
Know I hate that times and like 

1077
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,360
for whatever reason I'm not on 
my phone all day and then I go 

1078
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:37,120
to look at it and I'm like Oh my
God, there's no messages. 

1079
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,800
I know one time I turned my 
phone off for a couple days 

1080
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,200
because I wanted to like, 
disconnect. 

1081
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,360
When I turned it on, I think 
there was nothing. 

1082
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:46,840
Oh. 
My God. 

1083
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:52,840
That was so sad. 
That's funny. 

1084
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,720
He's kind of a little saucy 
there, too. 

1085
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:55,960
He is. 
He is. 

1086
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,280
He also writes that he suspects 
the family has smallpox and 

1087
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,320
she's trying to hide. 
It I think. 

1088
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,600
That was actually true. 
And then she responds. 

1089
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,480
I have no doubt that my dearest 
friend is anxious to know how 

1090
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,600
Portia does third person. 
She writes that she took the 

1091
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,600
kids to get inoculated, which is
very new science at the time. 

1092
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,560
And she also mentions how the 
King's Arms were taken down from

1093
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,880
the State House and everything 
bearing the royal arms was 

1094
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,720
burned in King Street. 
So it's pretty crazy. 

1095
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,360
They're rolling out everything 
related to England. 

1096
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,200
And she ends her letter. 
I am forever yours. 

1097
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:37,440
So they're this time they're 
coming up with the Constitution,

1098
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,880
writing that that's what's 
happening with Congress. 

1099
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,160
August 18th, 1776, he wrote to 
her. 

1100
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:49,240
Let me have my farm family and 
goose quill and all the honors 

1101
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:53,160
and offices of this world has to
bestow may go to those who 

1102
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,160
deserve them better and desire 
them more. 

1103
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,000
I covet them not. 
There are very few people in 

1104
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,640
this world with whom I can bear 
to converse. 

1105
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,960
This has made me a recluse and 
will will one day make me a 

1106
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,600
hermit. 
I'd rather build a Stonewall 

1107
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,280
than be the first Prince of 
Europe or the first general or 

1108
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,880
first senator in America. 
And I think that's crazy 

1109
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,280
because, like, how? 
I don't know if he's just being 

1110
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,640
humble, but he becomes the 
president. 

1111
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:21,760
Yeah. 
Like how it's I, I hope this is 

1112
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,520
I, I don't know if he's just 
saying this or I, I do know that

1113
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,200
he does want to be a great man 
too, but I do find it really 

1114
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,120
admirable. 
I, I feel like we don't really 

1115
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,440
have politicians like that 
anymore, that they're like not 

1116
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:36,040
really looking for recognition 
or attention or glory or 

1117
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:37,960
anything. 
And I don't know, it's cool, but

1118
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,240
I, I do think he secretly does 
at the same time. 

1119
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,160
Yeah, Well, because. 
What does he mean by great man 

1120
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,040
being? 
He could have been, you said, a 

1121
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:49,920
minister, which he could have 
considered that to be the noble 

1122
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,040
pursuit in his life. 
Like, he could have been great, 

1123
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:53,720
just on a smaller scale. 
Yeah. 

1124
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,360
They write more sweet pained 
letters about missing each 

1125
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,920
other. 
There was a funny back and forth

1126
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:03,560
exchange when they realized that
John had ordered tea. 

1127
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,560
Hang on, I thought they weren't 
drinking tea anymore but he had 

1128
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:10,960
ordered tea to be sent to her 
but it was actually accidentally

1129
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:15,280
mailed to Sam Adams wife and 
John. 

1130
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:20,400
John was so vexed, quote, that 
he had to order another canister

1131
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:21,920
of tea because I think it was 
really expensive. 

1132
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:26,760
And he tells Abigail to write to
Misses Sam Adams and let her 

1133
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,520
know that the tea was for her 
and ask if she'll send it to her

1134
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:34,280
or like what's left of it. 
Oh no, that's terrible. 

1135
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,320
She probably got the tea. 
And she goes, hey, that is a 

1136
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,480
nice gesture. 
What a surprise. 

1137
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,880
Your cousin sent me this. 
That's sweet. 

1138
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:48,200
OK, so September 1776, him and 
Ben Franklin and others go to 

1139
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:52,360
New York to meet British peace 
commissioners to negotiate for 

1140
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,680
peace. 
But I guess the British were 

1141
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,440
only authorized to offer peace 
after American submission. 

1142
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:04,240
So the war is not over. 
And John writes a letter where 

1143
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,000
he talks about corruption going 
on, I'm guessing because 

1144
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,720
everything is kind of in 
shambles right now and a lot of 

1145
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:13,000
these guys are just being really
corrupt, being bribed and things

1146
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,520
like that. 
And he writes, I'm ashamed of 

1147
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:22,760
the age I live in. 
Yeah, October 76, he returns 

1148
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,520
home for a nine week visit, so 
that's a good amount. 

1149
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:27,600
But then he returns to 
Philadelphia. 

1150
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,320
British are still I guess I 
don't get why the family 

1151
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:32,680
couldn't be based in Philly. 
I. 

1152
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:33,440
Don't know. 
I know. 

1153
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:37,320
I feel like historians don't 
really know why either. 

1154
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,560
I don't know if it was just 
like, Oh well, someone needs to 

1155
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,760
keep the farm going or 
something, or I don't know why 

1156
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,320
or, or he just thought it 
wasn't. 

1157
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,920
Maybe none of the men had their 
families with them. 

1158
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:50,280
I don't know what the deal was. 
But it is strange because he 

1159
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,160
even says like, I wish you would
be here with me, like, like I 

1160
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,560
would live here with you. 
So like, why does why don't they

1161
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:56,440
just go? 
I don't know. 

1162
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:58,200
Yeah. 
So there's still the British is 

1163
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:02,160
the March 1777, he writes. 
This city, meaning Philly, is a 

1164
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,800
dull place in comparison to what
it was because a lot of people 

1165
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,000
had fled to the country because 
of the war. 

1166
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,360
And he says the remainder, like 
remaining people, are chiefly 

1167
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:17,600
Quakers who are dull as beetles.
I know, he writes. 

1168
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,640
Again about. 
Preferring the delightness of 

1169
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,080
his garden to the dominion of 
the world. 

1170
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:25,200
And he says I have nothing of 
Caesar's greatness in my soul. 

1171
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:30,800
OK, humble, maybe it's. 
Because Abigail, his wife, likes

1172
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,120
when someone has a little bit of
modesty on their face. 

1173
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:34,640
True, true, true. 
Yes. 

1174
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,680
Modesty in the lines of his 
face. 

1175
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:40,240
Yeah. 
She's like stop being. 

1176
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:41,600
So full of yourself. 
John. 

1177
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:45,480
Yeah. 
May Abigail write to him. 

1178
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,040
Tis 10 days, I believe, since I 
wrote you a line, yet not 10 

1179
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,000
minutes past without thinking of
you. 

1180
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,680
Oh, that's so sweet. 
Dramatically. 

1181
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,240
Take a little bathroom break. 
Oh yes, it's a good time. 

1182
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:07,360
Take a break. 
OK, so she writes this sweet 

1183
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,680
thing like, 10, not 10 minutes 
past without thinking of you. 

1184
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:15,800
But interestingly, around this 
time, so it's spring 1777, there

1185
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,760
are letters that Abigail wrote 
that seemed kind of flirtatious 

1186
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:23,200
to this Massachusetts statesman,
James Lovell. 

1187
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,960
I didn't even know about this. 
Like, I thought it was all done 

1188
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:30,560
with research. 
And then I just kind of kept 

1189
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,240
that always happened. 
I just kept going. 

1190
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:35,360
And. 
Then I came across this and I 

1191
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,960
couldn't believe it because 
there's these letters where 

1192
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:42,160
she's writing to him and she 
even calls herself Portia to 

1193
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:45,560
this James guy and he calls her 
Porsche too, which like, what 

1194
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:50,720
the heck, That was her nickname 
for John and who is this to? 

1195
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,840
Roni, like what? 
I don't know. 

1196
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,160
Is he married? 
Single. 

1197
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:58,000
I will. 
Oh, he's married. 

1198
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:03,520
I'll talk more about him later. 
But it does seem like she's 

1199
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:07,640
writing to him very excitedly. 
Very. 

1200
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,800
Sweetly not. 
She's not saying like my lover 

1201
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,600
or anything, but it just seems 
like she's really loving his 

1202
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:16,360
letters and stuff. 
So I don't know what the heck is

1203
01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,480
going on, but we'll, we'll come 
back to that. 

1204
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:23,240
Also in May, while this is going
on, John's writing her letters. 

1205
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,080
He's talking about all these 
philosophical ideas and then I 

1206
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,440
just thought it was funny. 
After all of this talking about 

1207
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,960
government blah blah, he has 
this whole paragraph. 

1208
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,920
He's complaining about the 
alcohol available in Philly and 

1209
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:37,200
he says that wine is too 
expensive, there's no cider and 

1210
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,120
the beer there is wretchedly 
bad. 

1211
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,960
And he says, in short, I can get
nothing that I can drink. 

1212
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,600
I believe I shall be sick from 
this cause alone. 

1213
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:48,680
And he writes the expensive rum 
and bad water won't do in this 

1214
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,880
hot climate. 
So this really got me thinking 

1215
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,200
because people have said that, 
you know, in places where water 

1216
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,120
was bad, they would drink beer 
and such. 

1217
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:03,440
So were people actually slightly
drunk like all the time? 

1218
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,240
I know, I know. 
I feel like it was a low 

1219
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:06,560
alcohol. 
Percentage. 

1220
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:11,600
But if you're drinking it all 
day, I'd imagine maybe a little 

1221
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:16,160
bit interesting. 
I know that always confused me 

1222
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:19,320
because like that would still. 
Dehydrate you, I'd imagine. 

1223
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:23,120
I know, I know. 
August 70. 7 Abigail writes 

1224
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:27,560
about how it's been almost 13 
years since they first met, and 

1225
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,480
she writes about how hard it is 
to be separated from him, but 

1226
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:32,960
considers it her sacrifice for 
her country. 

1227
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,720
And John writes again about the 
alcohol situation. 

1228
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:38,760
And I thought it was crazy. 
He said that wine was $10 a 

1229
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:42,080
bottle. 
It's because it's 1777. 

1230
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,640
That must have been so 
expensive. 

1231
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:49,480
Wine can be $10 a bottle today. 
Yeah, a cheap bottle, but still,

1232
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,360
yeah. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1233
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:52,760
But honestly? 
I can go to the bodega 

1234
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:55,360
downstairs. 
And get a $6 bottle of wine. 

1235
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:58,960
I know, isn't that crazy? 
It must have been really, 

1236
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:00,480
really, really expensive. 
Yeah. 

1237
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:02,320
See, I think. 
See, I think the. 

1238
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,720
Tea was like that. 
Same situation too where it was 

1239
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,680
really expensive so I think 
that's why he was so upset about

1240
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,120
it being sent to his cousin's 
wife. 

1241
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:12,640
But that makes sense when he 
says again. 

1242
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,600
He wishes he could get a. 
Cider, and I love that because I

1243
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:18,120
love cider too. 
I'm actually drinking a cider 

1244
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:19,680
right now. 
September. 

1245
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,280
She right ends her letter. 
Good night. 

1246
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:26,120
Friend of my heart, companion of
my youth, husband and lover. 

1247
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,120
Sweet that. 
October 77. 

1248
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,480
It's been three years of 
separation. 

1249
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:37,840
I think if you add it up, John, 
then N77 is elected a joint 

1250
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,760
commissioner to treat with the 
French government. 

1251
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:47,480
So France and England are 
enemies, hate each other, and 

1252
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:51,080
basically France is trying to 
make deals with America. 

1253
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,680
They do help in the 
Revolutionary War because they 

1254
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,680
want to take down England, too. 
And so there's just a lot of 

1255
01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:00,120
negotiations going on, things 
about like loans to America and 

1256
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,040
like all this stuff, 
international relations. 

1257
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:06,360
So he is asked to go to France 
and he does. 

1258
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,200
I do wonder, you know, we don't 
know. 

1259
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,800
We don't have written down 
because he goes home I think 

1260
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,040
first. 
But like, did he talk about this

1261
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,480
with Abigail? 
Was she OK with this? 

1262
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:20,360
Did he ask her? 
We don't know, but for some 

1263
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:24,440
reason she doesn't go with him. 
But he does bring their son, 

1264
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,760
John Quincy Adams to France. 
Oh, and how old is he at this 

1265
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:29,080
point? 
I think he's. 

1266
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:30,680
He's school age. 
Let's see. 

1267
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:34,760
When he was born, he was born 
17670. 

1268
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:38,360
So he's like 11. 
Yeah, he's 11 years old and it's

1269
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:40,760
been exciting for him. 
Yeah, I know he. 

1270
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,360
Hasn't really. 
Gotten to spend that much time 

1271
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:47,120
with his. 
Dad so and I think this is 

1272
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:48,320
crazy. 
Because they've sailed to 

1273
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:52,400
France, it's crossover episode 
'cause we have an episode about 

1274
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,400
Lita 16th and Marie Antoinette 
and that is who the king and 

1275
01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:00,120
queen were at the time. 
When he goes wow isn't that 

1276
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,160
crazy that was staying there and
he meets. 

1277
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:06,360
Them. 
That was a really Oh, no way. 

1278
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:09,800
Yeah, damn, Yeah, that was a 
really good episode. 

1279
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:14,760
Oh, it's Patreon. 
Yeah. 

1280
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:18,760
If you guys like the podcast and
you want double the amount of 

1281
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:22,240
couples to listen to Shameless 
little plug for the Patreon 

1282
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,480
right now. 
It was kind of a funny. 

1283
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:28,240
Episode, I mean, the end was 
dark, but raunchy. 

1284
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:29,640
Yeah, it was raunchy. 
Very. 

1285
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:32,080
Raunchy. 
Isn't interestingly so the book 

1286
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:34,960
that I bought, that one, that 
was $3 of their letters. 

1287
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:38,480
It was a used book, and for some
reason around this time the 

1288
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:42,240
previous owner of this book drew
a giant X through one of 

1289
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:46,040
Abigail's letters and edited it.
It was almost like they thought 

1290
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:47,840
the transcription was wrong or 
something. 

1291
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,320
It was so strange. 
Wait, I don't know what was 

1292
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,880
creepy. 
I know why that like, Spooks me 

1293
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:55,640
out. 
It was very weird and the person

1294
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:57,960
added like a. 
Sticky note to where they added 

1295
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:01,480
like a line to it. 
There was a sticky note in it. 

1296
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:03,000
Yeah, it was very. 
Odd. 

1297
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:04,360
Was that the only thing? 
The person. 

1298
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:07,480
Wrote. 
Yes, it was just this one. 

1299
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:11,240
Section and exed it out. 
Yeah, interesting. 

1300
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:12,480
Too. 
Weird I. 

1301
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:13,560
Know I don't know what their 
problem. 

1302
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:14,880
Is. 
But what does the letter say? 

1303
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,279
Honestly, nothing that. 
Remarkable. 

1304
01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:21,479
I didn't even think it was worth
putting in the book. 

1305
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,520
It was just a typical letter, 
like talking about what's going 

1306
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,520
on at home and that I miss you 
and things like that. 

1307
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:30,080
So he is this person. 
That would be I know who did 

1308
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,520
that. 
I guess that's why it was $3. 

1309
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:37,160
During John's time in France, 
they hardly hear from each 

1310
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,040
other. 
Like, at all. 

1311
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:43,319
From February to June, John gets
no letters from her. 

1312
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:48,399
Wow, that's such a long time. 
No contact whatsoever. 

1313
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:50,640
Yeah, and it's not that she's 
not trying. 

1314
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:52,920
I think the letters are just not
making it. 

1315
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,800
Ships are being seized. 
People are stealing his mail for

1316
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,040
some reason. 
So he doesn't hear from her for 

1317
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,600
months. 
And then she eventually writes 

1318
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,520
that she hasn't heard from him 
in four months. 

1319
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:07,200
So I think some letters make it 
eventually, but it's crazy. 

1320
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:11,000
Like, I, I would, it would feel 
like they're gone, you know, 

1321
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,800
like they could be dead. 
Just no word from them, you 

1322
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:18,319
know, It's crazy. 
And then John. 

1323
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:21,200
Adams receives news that their 
letters have been thrown 

1324
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,640
overboard. 
And in one letter that makes it,

1325
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:25,920
he tells her not to write 
anything that she wouldn't want 

1326
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:29,040
to be published in a newspaper. 
And he writes that he's written 

1327
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:32,479
her 50 letters and she's only 
received a handful of them. 

1328
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:34,000
So that's. 
That's so frustrating. 

1329
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:39,040
I would be so mad if I wrote 50 
letters and only, like, 3 made 

1330
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:40,160
it, you know? 
Yeah. 

1331
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:42,720
He. 
Complaints to her. 

1332
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,680
That people are writing to Ben 
Franklin because he's in France,

1333
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:51,279
too, but not to him yet. 
This friend of me, like people 

1334
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:55,640
back in America, the congressman
and everything, they're they're 

1335
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,000
writing things to Franklin about
what's going on, but not to him.

1336
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:59,440
So he feels like he's in his 
shadow. 

1337
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:04,120
Yeah, and John Adams was 
definitely not as popular as Ben

1338
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,360
Franklin in France. 
Ben Franklin was very 

1339
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:10,560
charismatic and actually a flirt
I guess, which is I think I've 

1340
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:14,440
heard that. 
He was, like, slutty, yeah, but 

1341
01:10:14,440 --> 01:10:16,320
John Adams was much more 
uptight. 

1342
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,760
And prickly and like, let's get 
to work. 

1343
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:23,160
So he was not as popular as Ben 
Franklin, but John Adams seemed 

1344
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:27,920
to overall love France actually.
And he said in a letter, as much

1345
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:31,040
as I respect this country, 
particularly the king and royal 

1346
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,960
family, I could not help 
reflecting how many families in 

1347
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:38,040
another country would this 
tallow make happy for life. 

1348
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:42,400
So like animal fat basically 
just saying there's so much 

1349
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,480
richness here at Versailles and 
such and such like. 

1350
01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:47,880
I can't help thinking how this 
would go a long way somewhere 

1351
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:51,200
else. 
So he doesn't want that to 

1352
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:52,880
happen in America. 
You know, they don't want to 

1353
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,520
have a king that's having all 
these riches and such. 

1354
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,600
He writes the king and queen. 
So Louis and Marie Antoinette 

1355
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,920
are greatly beloved here at this
time. 

1356
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:04,400
They were Every day shows fresh 
proof of it. 

1357
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:07,680
On the other side of the 
Channel, there's a king who's 

1358
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,640
the opposite. 
So he means the king of England.

1359
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:15,680
But it's kind of ironic, sadly, 
because the English monarchy 

1360
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:19,400
still exists to this day. 
And pretty soon, in this story, 

1361
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,160
the French monarchy's going to 
be overthrown. 

1362
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:24,880
So it's interesting that he 
writes that he mentions in a 

1363
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:30,040
letter to her February 79, I 
grow fat here in France. 

1364
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:34,320
And then that the English have 
published some of his letters, 

1365
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,400
and they're tearing him apart. 
They're making fun of him. 

1366
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:42,360
They're calling him a fanatic, a
bigot, awkward figure, uncouth 

1367
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:46,600
dress, no character, you're just
looking. 

1368
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,440
For stuff I know, don't take it 
personally, John. 

1369
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,000
Also in February. 79 he gets a 
little. 

1370
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:56,040
Snippy with her in a letter and 
says for God's sake, never 

1371
01:11:56,040 --> 01:12:00,120
reproach me again with not 
writing or with writing scripts.

1372
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:02,400
Oh well, hey, I thought, 
there's. 

1373
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:07,880
Like the letters are getting. 
I know, lost I know, but I know.

1374
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:09,600
But I think. 
She's still writing, being like,

1375
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,920
why haven't you written? 
And she's like, stop saying that

1376
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:14,640
to me. 
Yeah, he was getting. 

1377
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,840
Really paranoid actually, 
though, during this time in 

1378
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:21,120
France, he thought that there 
were spies all around and there 

1379
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:24,120
may have been French people 
giving information to the 

1380
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:27,240
English or something like that. 
He was really stressed out at 

1381
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:28,960
work. 
I don't think negotiations were 

1382
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,800
working with France and he 
started having panic attacks. 

1383
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:35,560
He was just not doing well. 
June 79, Abigail writes that she

1384
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:38,040
hasn't heard from him in six 
months. 

1385
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:42,000
Just crazy. 
I'm guessing these letters 

1386
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,960
eventually make it. 
Because somehow we have them 

1387
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:48,760
today that same month that she 
says that she gets a letter from

1388
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:52,680
that guy I mentioned earlier, 
James Lovell and she writes 

1389
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:56,040
really flirty seeming things. 
She writes it's going to be kind

1390
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:59,360
of flowery language where she's 
like, do you love the natural 

1391
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,800
sentiments of the heart? 
Take them then as they flow from

1392
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:06,080
the pen of Porsche. 
Having been take having been to 

1393
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:09,760
take a ride this afternoon, upon
my return stopped at my brother,

1394
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,240
blah, blah, blah, and he told me
a gentleman from Boston had left

1395
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:14,960
a large package for me in the 
house. 

1396
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:18,720
My heart bounded, for for joy I 
besought him to deliver them 

1397
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:21,480
instantly to me. 
The bulk of the packet ensured 

1398
01:13:21,480 --> 01:13:25,280
them a pressure to my bosom. 
My spirits danced. 

1399
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:29,040
It was dark, I could not see the
handwriting, but was in no doubt

1400
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,560
from whence they came. 
And then she continue. 

1401
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:34,600
So basically, I guess he sent 
her a package and she held it to

1402
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,920
her bosom. 
And then she continues to write 

1403
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:40,320
that she cried reading his 
letter. 

1404
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:44,200
Yeah, I mean, it makes. 
Sense she's barely heard from 

1405
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:49,640
her guy she's lonely she needs 
to like somehow get that same 

1406
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:54,120
feeling she's filling that void 
probably I mean it's. 

1407
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:57,720
I don't. 
We don't know, like how far it 

1408
01:13:57,720 --> 01:13:59,160
went. 
Seems like it's just like a 

1409
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:04,560
fantasy but like. 
It's probably just because she 

1410
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,360
loves. 
John so much and she misses him.

1411
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,920
Yeah, I mean we. 
We don't really know what the 

1412
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:12,680
heck happened. 
It could have been just like a 

1413
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,080
friendship or like slightly 
flirtation. 

1414
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,400
I don't know. 
But it is understandable you 

1415
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,120
haven't heard from your husband 
in six months. 

1416
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:25,240
Like, you can understand wanting
a little love and excitement, 

1417
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:29,640
and there's no record of John 
Adams ever flirting with anyone 

1418
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:32,000
or anything. 
I mean, of course we don't know.

1419
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:34,520
Yeah, but there's no reports of 
it. 

1420
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:40,320
November. 79 He finally returns 
home with his son John Quincy 

1421
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:44,760
Adams. 
And while home, he, I think, 

1422
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:46,640
goes back to Philly again 
because he helped us draft the 

1423
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:48,720
Constitution. 
So Oh my God. 

1424
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:52,520
And then he learns that Congress
has appointed him to negotiate 

1425
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,640
an end to the War of 
Independence again, because it's

1426
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:59,000
still going on. 
So 79, he sails back to France, 

1427
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:01,600
November. 
So I guess he comes back and 

1428
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,960
leaves again in the same month. 
I don't know how that's even 

1429
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,240
possible. 
But he sails back. 

1430
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,120
This time he brings John Quincy 
Adams and their son Charles. 

1431
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:13,200
So it takes two of the sons. 
Their ship, I guess, was having 

1432
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:17,480
problems and they had to port in
Spain for repairs. 

1433
01:15:17,480 --> 01:15:20,200
And then they had to make the 
torturous journey by land to 

1434
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,560
Paris. 
And it took like a month or so. 

1435
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:26,200
There was even less 
communication this time. 

1436
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:30,640
Summer 1780, he went to 
Amsterdam to get a loan for the 

1437
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,880
American government and had the 
Netherlands recognize their 

1438
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,320
country. 
And he was there in Amsterdam 

1439
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:40,120
for a year. 
No, with the boys. 

1440
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:45,600
So I think that. 
The John Quincy Adams, I guess 

1441
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:49,200
he might be an early young 
teenager. 

1442
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:52,680
I think he, I think he actually 
went to Russia. 

1443
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:56,440
I don't know why. 
I think he was at least with 

1444
01:15:56,440 --> 01:16:00,200
Charles. 
May 25th, 1781, Abigail wrote. 

1445
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:03,240
I haven't heard from you in 
eight months. 

1446
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:06,880
Oh my gosh, I know she's very 
anxious. 

1447
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:08,640
Like he could be dead. 
That's crazy. 

1448
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,880
Like how can you go 8 months 
without hearing from your 

1449
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:13,720
spouse? 
Yeah, I don't. 

1450
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:15,960
I feel like you would. 
Just go crazy. 

1451
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:20,400
I know I I literally. 
Can't even imagine it. 

1452
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:25,400
He returns to Paris July 1781, 
then back to Amsterdam, then to 

1453
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:26,440
Paris. 
So I don't know. 

1454
01:16:26,440 --> 01:16:29,760
He's just going back and forth, 
working on treaties between US, 

1455
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:34,760
Britain and France. 
December 81, he writes from 

1456
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,760
Amsterdam to her. 
If God should please to restore 

1457
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:41,000
me once more into your fireside,
I will never again leave it 

1458
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:44,120
without your Ladyship's company.
No, not even to Congress. 

1459
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:46,480
To Philadelphia. 
I would give a million sterling 

1460
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:50,720
that you were here. 
And then this is crazy. 

1461
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:53,200
They decided that their son 
Charles should return to 

1462
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:54,880
America. 
Maybe because he keeps going 

1463
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:56,760
back and forth between the 
countries and everything. 

1464
01:16:57,480 --> 01:17:00,280
It's just not stable. 
And so they decided he's going 

1465
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:05,600
to go alone back to America. 
He is 11 years old. 

1466
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,040
Oh my gosh, way too young. 
He. 

1467
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,080
Was with a supervisor like 
somebody that. 

1468
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:14,560
John knew, but still. 
The crazy thing is, though, they

1469
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,320
say, you know, he hasn't go on 
the ship goodbye, you know, and 

1470
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:19,760
then they don't hear from him 
for four months. 

1471
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,200
What? 
That's terrible, I think. 

1472
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:24,200
So scary. 
Was he supposed to arrive? 

1473
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:27,560
He was supposed to arrive. 
Sounded like a monthly. 

1474
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,520
Yeah, apparently there's a 
violent. 

1475
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:33,480
Storm and the ship. 
Got docked in Spain but for some

1476
01:17:33,480 --> 01:17:35,560
reason they didn't leave again 
for months. 

1477
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:38,040
I guess because it was winter 
and the weather was bad, but Oh 

1478
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:40,160
no, I know. 
Wait. 

1479
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:42,280
That must have been so. 
Scary for I. 

1480
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:44,960
Know like I can't tell my mom 
where I am. 

1481
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,960
I know he's only 11 and he's 
just with like some. 

1482
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,480
Guy, I mean, I don't know how 
close he was to the supervisor 

1483
01:17:51,480 --> 01:17:55,040
and yeah, and poor Abigail, 
like, she's just back. 

1484
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:56,320
Does she even know what's going 
on? 

1485
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:58,240
She's just like, where's my son?
What the heck? 

1486
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:02,400
It's crazy what people do back 
then, Yeah, people were built 

1487
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:03,280
differently. 
They. 

1488
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:07,520
Really had to just like kind of 
put on a brave face I know how 

1489
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:11,120
to do losing my mind but they 
probably tell their neighbour 

1490
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:12,200
about. 
That and they'll go, yeah. 

1491
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:15,640
Same thing. 
Yeah, like something worse. 

1492
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:16,800
Happened to me. 
Yeah. 

1493
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:19,360
Yeah, Abigail. 
He did make it home, though. 

1494
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:23,560
Miraculously, Abigail wrote to 
John something along the lines 

1495
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:24,760
of which I thought that was kind
of funny. 

1496
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:27,840
This is funny, she wrote. 
Basically, what if we just 

1497
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:30,120
bought a woods retreat in 
Vermont? 

1498
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,520
Aw, I just think it's funny 
that. 

1499
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,760
Even to over 2. 100 years ago 
Vermont was still a place that 

1500
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:39,400
people would like run off to. 
I know some things never change.

1501
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:43,840
So 1782 I read that that guy 
that she had been maybe flirting

1502
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,840
with James Lovell. 
I don't even know if this is 

1503
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:50,960
true, but that had leaked in 
discrete letters with Abigail 

1504
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:54,960
Adams and that he had an affair.
With his landlady. 

1505
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:58,680
Oh, a separate lady. 
So he stepped down from his role

1506
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:01,520
in Congress? 
What a player I know. 

1507
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,240
But. 
Interestingly, this threw me 

1508
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:06,760
off. 
The historian John Smith claimed

1509
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:11,520
that Abigail endured flirtations
with James Level just to get 

1510
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:14,000
information from him since he 
was in government and her 

1511
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:17,360
husband was so far away. 
Could this be true? 

1512
01:19:17,480 --> 01:19:20,640
But also, how does he know that?
Yeah, I don't know. 

1513
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:22,280
I know. 
I feel like we're projecting 

1514
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,360
you. 
Know that onto these people, but

1515
01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:25,600
maybe. 
That that would. 

1516
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:30,960
Be pretty falsy of her. 
Pretty saucy, yeah. 

1517
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:37,520
So then 1782, it's been three 
years since he's been in France,

1518
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:39,960
and Abigail writes that she 
can't take it anymore. 

1519
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,120
Yeah, I'm going to come to 
Europe. 

1520
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:47,440
And John writes that he is 
tenderly, that tenderly affected

1521
01:19:47,440 --> 01:19:49,800
him, but no, no, I'm coming 
home. 

1522
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:53,160
Good. 
And he wrote that he had no idea

1523
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:56,080
what he was still doing there 
and then he had not heard from 

1524
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,160
Congress in ages. 
And he's been waiting for them 

1525
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:01,160
to tell him to return, but it 
almost seems like they forgot 

1526
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:03,840
about him. 
So he says, that's it, I'm 

1527
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,640
resigning. 
And he is worried. 

1528
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:10,080
In his letter, he says, I hope 
that my letter reaches you and 

1529
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:13,440
that you won't sail to Europe 
because I'm not gonna sail back.

1530
01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:15,840
Oh, my gosh. 
Did she? 

1531
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:18,400
Go. 
It sounds like a plot of a. 

1532
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,600
Movie. 
Or not, I know. 

1533
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:25,280
Luckily. 
I think they made it in time. 

1534
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:29,960
He did go back before he left 
and they were reunited, but then

1535
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,720
they both went back to France 
together. 

1536
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:35,080
Good I guess. 
I don't know why that couldn't 

1537
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,720
have happened. 
All along I know, and they 

1538
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:41,040
brought. 
The other kids and so the whole 

1539
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:46,640
family is in Paris now and they 
actually stay in Europe for four

1540
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,000
years together as a family. 
Nice. 

1541
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:52,920
And thankfully they were never a
separate like that again after 

1542
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:55,160
this. 
I have no idea how they even got

1543
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:56,840
through that. 
I know, I know. 

1544
01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:58,280
It's crazy because like in the 
beginning, we're like. 

1545
01:20:58,280 --> 01:21:01,720
This is a very loving story, 
like it's a hopeful story, which

1546
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:04,680
it is, but it like, gosh, they 
had to go through all this. 

1547
01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:07,000
They really went through. 
A lot. 

1548
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:11,920
It's crazy and but we've kind of
talked about it before. 

1549
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,200
With long distance 
relationships, sometimes that 

1550
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:17,840
longing for some people and some
couples can almost like 

1551
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:19,960
strengthen their relationship 
even more. 

1552
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:25,920
Yeah, I think so. 1788, they 
finally returned to 

1553
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:30,200
Massachusetts and John returned 
his farming. 

1554
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:33,040
But the nation's first 
presidential election was soon 

1555
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:35,720
to take place. 
Oh, and just so you know, I 

1556
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:39,000
actually don't really have much 
to say with actual presidency 

1557
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:42,600
because it was all the letters. 
And now that they're reunited 

1558
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:44,840
together, there will not be 
letters. 

1559
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:48,400
And then since George Washington
was widely expected to win the 

1560
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:51,600
presidency, many felt that the 
vice president should go to a 

1561
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:53,760
northerner because he's from 
Virginia. 

1562
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,600
And even though he didn't 
campaign or anything, John Adams

1563
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:00,880
was the primary contender 
because he had done a lot for 

1564
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:02,560
the country. 
People knew about him. 

1565
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:06,200
He basically negotiated the 
whole peace treaty in the end, 

1566
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:09,320
so it was just assumed that he 
would be the vice president. 

1567
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,560
And yeah, the way it worked back
then was that the person with 

1568
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:15,920
the most votes would be the 
president, and the second person

1569
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,120
with the second most votes would
be the vice president. 

1570
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:23,120
And Adams received 34 Electoral 
College votes in the election, 

1571
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:26,920
and he became the 1st Vice 
President. 

1572
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:30,120
And interestingly, in an effort 
to ensure that John Adams did 

1573
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:33,640
not accidentally become 
president, Alexander Hamilton 

1574
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:37,520
convinced at least seven of the 
69 electors to not cast their 

1575
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:40,520
vote for Adams because he wanted
to make sure Washington won. 

1576
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:45,720
And after he found out about 
this, Adams wrote to Benjamin 

1577
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:49,160
Rush and said that the election 
was a curse rather than a 

1578
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:52,720
blessing. 
Him and Alexander Hamilton were,

1579
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:56,560
they were both Federalists, but 
they were both rivals and, yeah,

1580
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,160
did not like each other. 
It seems like he's doesn't 

1581
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:01,000
necessarily get along with 
everybody. 

1582
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:03,880
No, he did not. 
He did. 

1583
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:06,600
Not here to make friends, I 
think interestingly. 

1584
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:10,000
Like he was friends. 
With some people, but he was 

1585
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:12,360
competitive with them. 
And I think secretly didn't like

1586
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:13,680
them sometimes, Like they may 
not have. 

1587
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:17,040
I think like even Ben Franklin 
might not have known how much he

1588
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,560
disliked him. 
And I think he was friends with 

1589
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,760
some people that then then they 
became enemies like Thomas 

1590
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:24,160
Jefferson. 
Yeah. 

1591
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:28,600
So then he was the VP. 
Interestingly, they were trying 

1592
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:31,240
to decide, since, you know, this
was the very first president, 

1593
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:33,960
they were trying to decide how 
they would address the 

1594
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:37,400
president. 
And John Adams wanted to call 

1595
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:42,680
him kindness or Excellency, but 
Thomas Jefferson said that was 

1596
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:45,320
ridiculous. 
And then they agreed that they 

1597
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:48,640
would call him Mr. President. 
That's classy. 

1598
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:52,840
Mr. President, I. 
Think that being in France that 

1599
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:55,120
long kind of rubbed off on John 
Adams. 

1600
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:59,600
He felt sort of useless as a 
vice president and by the end of

1601
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,720
his term he just sort of went 
along with whatever Washington 

1602
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:06,720
wanted and was kind of quiet. 
But he did have the record for 

1603
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:10,480
the most tie breaking votes 
ever, which was basically all 

1604
01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:13,640
the VP did. 
But he had that record until 

1605
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:15,840
recently. 
Kamala Harris actually broke it.

1606
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:17,600
Oh wow. 
I know. 

1607
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:19,680
So George Washington. 
Served 2 terms. 

1608
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:21,960
He didn't want to do a third. 
He could have, but he just 

1609
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:27,160
decided not to and stepped down.
In 1789, there was another 

1610
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:32,360
election, and John Adams, the 
Federalist nominee, received 71 

1611
01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:37,960
votes and became president. 
He was 61 years old and Abigail 

1612
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:42,480
was 52, so he is the second. 
President of the. 

1613
01:24:42,480 --> 01:24:46,560
United States Thomas Jefferson, 
who was a Democratic Republican,

1614
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:50,720
received 68 votes. 
So it was a really close 

1615
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:53,760
election, actually, and he 
became the vice president. 

1616
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:56,440
It's kind of cute they used to 
do it that way if you got I. 

1617
01:24:56,440 --> 01:25:01,000
Know second place you became VP 
that is is kind of like a checks

1618
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:03,040
and balances. 
It's like, okay, like people 

1619
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:08,080
still wanted the other guy. 
So yeah, like they'll still the 

1620
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:10,040
these two kind of have to work 
together now. 

1621
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:13,400
I know. 
I mean, some people say like it 

1622
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:14,880
was. 
Hard to get things done in a 

1623
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:17,080
way, but I I kind of like it 
too. 

1624
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:18,240
I wish there was like. 
Some way to? 

1625
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:20,080
Work it out. 
I don't know now, like on the 

1626
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:22,120
same team. 
So it's like, yeah, they. 

1627
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,680
Like can't find together. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1628
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:26,360
They did sort of hate each 
other, though. 

1629
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:29,000
They, they used to be friends, 
but they had to work together. 

1630
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:32,680
John Adams decided to retain 
Washington's cabinet because he 

1631
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:35,760
thought that consistency would 
be a good thing. 

1632
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:39,160
But it was a decision that he 
came to regret because of 

1633
01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:42,240
everybody's relationship to 
Alexander Hamilton. 

1634
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,960
Hamilton and Adams did not like 
each other and did not agree on 

1635
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:48,840
politics. 
And you get the sense that all 

1636
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:51,560
throughout his presidency, 
Alexander Hamilton and Thomas 

1637
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:54,960
Jefferson were actually like, 
both trying to run this show. 

1638
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:56,400
And they have their own 
followers. 

1639
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:58,600
And John Adams was kind of in 
the middle. 

1640
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:00,720
And people have said that his 
time in office was free of 

1641
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:04,080
scandal. 
But there were conflicts during 

1642
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:06,120
his presidency, which we don't 
have time to get into. 

1643
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:09,640
But Abigail Adams, she took a 
pretty active role in politics, 

1644
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:11,760
actually, unlike Martha 
Washington. 

1645
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:15,520
And she was so politically 
active that her political 

1646
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:18,240
opponents called her Mrs. 
President. 

1647
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:21,640
Oh I know, but like as if. 
It was an insult. 

1648
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:25,120
We'll take it as a compliment 
today, but yeah, you said 

1649
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:27,080
political opponent. 
Oh yeah, I know. 

1650
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,200
Mrs. President, Yeah. 
Like oh, Mrs. President. 

1651
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:33,480
But. 
Today, that sounds endearing. 

1652
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:37,880
Yeah, I know. 
They moved into the White House 

1653
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:40,200
in 1800. 
They were actually the first 

1654
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:42,600
president and first lady to live
in the White House. 

1655
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:46,000
Strangely, when they were in the
White House, John Abigail had 

1656
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:51,240
three mixed breed dogs named 
Mark, Juno and Satan. 

1657
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:56,000
Satan. 
Yeah, OK, I read that 

1658
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:57,440
originally. 
Satan was named. 

1659
01:26:57,440 --> 01:27:01,040
Peter, but I'm guessing he was a
bad dog, or he must have been. 

1660
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:02,480
Call him Satan. 
It's so. 

1661
01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:03,640
Funny, I feel like if that 
happened. 

1662
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:05,520
Today it would be political. 
Scandal. 

1663
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:10,240
And the opponents would be like,
damn, they're like some freaky 

1664
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:12,280
people. 
I know they're a part of a 

1665
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:15,560
conspiracy. 
I know it's weird. 

1666
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:19,000
Those are two horses, Cleopatra 
and Caesar. 

1667
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:22,400
That's so cute. 
His VP, Thomas Jefferson, tried 

1668
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:23,680
to. 
Undermine him throughout his 

1669
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:25,640
whole presidency. 
That is bad. 

1670
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:27,440
Like, you don't want your vice 
president doing that. 

1671
01:27:27,440 --> 01:27:29,760
Yeah, that is true. 
That would actually be. 

1672
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:31,560
Not productive. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

1673
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:35,160
And then Thomas Jefferson. 
Won the next election so John 

1674
01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:40,600
Adams only served one term and 
adding to the agony their son 

1675
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:45,920
Charles actually died around 
this time November 30th of 

1676
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:50,280
alcoholism so that's the son 
that was actually left behind in

1677
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:53,200
Spain years ago so you wonder if
like the. 

1678
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:57,560
Trauma of like being, I do 
wonder, lost, yeah. 

1679
01:27:57,840 --> 01:27:59,280
Abigail had already. 
Left the white. 

1680
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:01,800
House because this happened so 
she wanted to get back to 

1681
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:05,840
Massachusetts and the 
inauguration for the new 

1682
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:08,760
president was happening and he 
was anxious to join her. 

1683
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:13,000
I think he was also super upset 
how it all went down and hated 

1684
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:16,720
Thomas Jefferson. 
So on the morning of Jefferson's

1685
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:20,640
inauguration, John Adams 
departed the White House at the 

1686
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:24,320
pre dawn hours, like 4:00 in the
morning or something, and did 

1687
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:29,560
not attend his inauguration. 
And he's only one of five 

1688
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:34,160
outgoing presidents to not have 
attended the inauguration. 

1689
01:28:34,440 --> 01:28:35,680
Does that including Donald 
Trump? 

1690
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:38,480
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1691
01:28:38,480 --> 01:28:41,640
And does that also include the 
ones who have passed away? 

1692
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:43,800
No. 
That office, actually, Yeah. 

1693
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:45,600
Yeah. 
So of the presidents. 

1694
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:48,760
That were still alive when 
another president was being 

1695
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:50,360
sworn in. 
There's only been five that 

1696
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,360
didn't attend the inauguration, 
and John Adams is one of them. 

1697
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:57,880
I think it's like. 
Really not classy to not go. 

1698
01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:02,120
I do like like when people are. 
It's not they shake their hand. 

1699
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:05,320
And they wished a lot. 
Peaceful transition of power. 

1700
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:09,120
Exactly. 
It's one of the bedrocks of our 

1701
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:11,720
democracy, yeah. 
John was not. 

1702
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:17,280
Willing to do that, early 1801, 
John sent Thomas Jefferson a 

1703
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:20,440
brief note wishing him a happy 
and prosperous presidency, 

1704
01:29:20,440 --> 01:29:22,520
though. 
But I guess Thomas Jefferson 

1705
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:26,360
never responded and they did not
speak to each other again for 12

1706
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:29,560
years. 
But in 1804, unknown to John 

1707
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:33,880
Adams, to her husband, Abigail 
wrote to Jefferson because her 

1708
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:38,080
his daughter had died and she 
had stayed with the Adams in 

1709
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:41,200
London in the past. 
And they wrote back and forth to

1710
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:44,520
each other, at first kind of 
sweetly, but then it turned into

1711
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:47,120
political fighting. 
That's sad. 

1712
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:49,400
Jefferson didn't. 
Answer her 4th letter. 

1713
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:52,600
Yeah. 
So John Abigail returned to 

1714
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:54,800
Massachusetts. 
John Adams returned to his 

1715
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:57,760
farming their son John Quincy 
Adams. 

1716
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:00,520
He was elected to the Senate in 
18 O3. 

1717
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:07,320
In 1818, Abigail Adams died at 
the age of 74 of typhoid and 

1718
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:11,000
then in 1825 their son John 
Quincy Adams was elected 

1719
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:19,440
president and John Adams himself
died July 4th, 1926 on the 50th 

1720
01:30:19,480 --> 01:30:22,600
anniversary of signing the 
Declaration of Independence. 

1721
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:25,840
That's so crazy, isn't? 
That crazy. 

1722
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:27,840
He must have been pretty. 
Old when he died? 

1723
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:31,680
Yes, he was 91 years old. 
Wow at that time period. 

1724
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:34,240
That's crazy, you know. 
And what's even more wild? 

1725
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:37,720
Apparently his. 
Last words among his last words.

1726
01:30:37,720 --> 01:30:41,120
I don't think it was his actual 
last words, but he said Thomas 

1727
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:45,480
Jefferson survives. 
He was unaware that Jefferson 

1728
01:30:45,480 --> 01:30:50,160
had died several hours before. 
So they both died on the 4th of 

1729
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:51,960
July. 
Wait I'm going to 50th 

1730
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:55,040
anniversary? 
I know, isn't that crazy? 

1731
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,320
Did he know that Thomas 
Jefferson was sick? 

1732
01:30:58,480 --> 01:31:00,480
No, he thought he was. 
I think he thought he was. 

1733
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:03,280
Doing fine. 
So he's kind of like, damn him. 

1734
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:05,640
He survives, but he died that 
day too. 

1735
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:07,920
I don't, I don't like that 
that's. 

1736
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:09,600
Like, creepy to me. 
Really. 

1737
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:11,160
I think it's I wrote in my 
notes. 

1738
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:12,040
God. 
Is real? 

1739
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:15,040
Oh yeah, I guess so, but I 
thought it was so. 

1740
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:17,800
Cool, I know. 
That is so crazy. 

1741
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:19,880
But like after the whole like 
crossing. 

1742
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:21,600
Out that letter. 
In the book, like, I'm a little 

1743
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:23,840
scared. 
No, I think that was just 

1744
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:26,800
somebody being. 
Annoying, like maybe they had 

1745
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:29,200
read it somewhere else where it 
was written differently or 

1746
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:31,840
something and they were just 
like, no, this isn't right. 

1747
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:33,760
Or like, I don't, I don't know 
why they did that. 

1748
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:36,040
But yeah, I was actually not 
creeped out by the. 

1749
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:37,280
Crossing out. 
I just thought it was. 

1750
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:39,480
Someone being a busy body or 
something. 

1751
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:41,720
That's true. 
Pretty crazy. 

1752
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:44,200
Wow. 
I guess the Liberty Bell. 

1753
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:46,720
Was rung in their. 
Honor that day. 

1754
01:31:47,080 --> 01:31:49,400
That must have been a crazy day 
for the country. 

1755
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:52,160
I guess I don't know what news 
was like back then, like how 

1756
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:55,720
quickly you found out, but it's 
like, I feel like you'd be like,

1757
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:57,520
Oh my God, you're here. 
Thomas Jefferson died. 

1758
01:31:57,720 --> 01:32:01,480
No, it's actually John Adams. 
No, like they both died on July 

1759
01:32:01,480 --> 01:32:04,560
4th, no less. 
It's crazy. 

1760
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:06,040
Wow. 
How? 

1761
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:08,000
Does that. 
Happen. 

1762
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:11,000
On the 50th anniversary. 
I know. 

1763
01:32:11,440 --> 01:32:13,720
Wow. 
Yeah, God is real. 

1764
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:16,120
And that situation, that's 
crazy. 

1765
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:20,720
That is John Abigail. 
Adams Wow. 

1766
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:23,520
I didn't even mention that I 
went to their. 

1767
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:25,120
House the other day. 
Yeah. 

1768
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:28,640
Yeah, so I was. 
Just I was in Boston anyway. 

1769
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:32,120
And it was only like a 15 minute
drive from where I was going. 

1770
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:34,440
So I was like, I should just go.
So I went. 

1771
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:36,320
I didn't go inside. 
You can't go inside, but you 

1772
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:39,440
needed to book like a tour. 
But I just walked around and it 

1773
01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:42,160
was really cool. 
It felt kind of mystical and 

1774
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:44,440
magical to be there. 
That's cute. 

1775
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:46,920
After this episode I want. 
To go there too. 

1776
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:49,720
I really want to go inside I I 
would love to do that. 

1777
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:52,840
It was cool. 
There was this rose Bush rose 

1778
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:56,200
tree that it said was planted by
Abigail Adams. 

1779
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:59,360
Wow. 
It's like whoa to see it's still

1780
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:03,000
there so long ago. 
Can you walk around inside? 

1781
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:05,520
You can, yeah. 
You just need to book a tour I 

1782
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:07,040
think. 
It's the kind of thing where 

1783
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:11,280
they won't they they only run 
tours if you book it. 

1784
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:13,800
Does that make sense? 
There wasn't someone just 

1785
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:15,360
waiting there to like, all 
right, we're like, we're 

1786
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:17,120
starting a tour. 
Like, yeah, you need. 

1787
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:20,040
And I needed to. 
I had somewhere to be so I But I

1788
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:21,640
would love to go back and go 
inside. 

1789
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:24,680
Yeah, it's really cool. 
Made me a little sad because I 

1790
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:26,600
feel like you can imagine when 
you're there because they still 

1791
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:28,920
have somewhat large grounds 
there. 

1792
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:31,840
It's like they have all these 
trees and hill and the garden 

1793
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:34,440
and everything. 
But you can kind of imagine that

1794
01:33:34,440 --> 01:33:37,720
it used to be like a lot more 
countryside, but now it's like 

1795
01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:41,600
right by a highway. 
So it's like but. 

1796
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:42,480
You can. 
It's kind of cool. 

1797
01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:45,680
Because you can kind of imagine 
what it was like back then. 

1798
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:50,320
Anyway, that was John. 
And Abigail? 

1799
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:53,680
Wow, we really haven't covered 
American history. 

1800
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:55,880
In that way, before, it was so 
interesting. 

1801
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:57,680
I love that we have those 
letters. 

1802
01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:01,280
Me too, I love. 
Love that kind of thing. 

1803
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:04,560
Thank you guys for listening. 
Yeah, thank you, Kelly. 

1804
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:07,280
That was a lot. 
Oh, can you hint our next? 

1805
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:11,360
Episode. 
Next week is totally different. 

1806
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:21,760
As always, next week is about a 
couple from the 20 tens. 

1807
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:26,720
OK and two actors. 
One of the people in the 

1808
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:31,680
relationship we mentioned in the
Miley and Liam episode. 

1809
01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:35,600
That might be a huge spoiler. 
Two episodes. 

1810
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:38,280
Ago. 
I got to say I feel like these 4

1811
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:40,760
episodes. 
Of this month are so us. 

1812
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:43,120
What do you mean by that? 
Okay. 

1813
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:47,040
First one was like a Disney. 
Adjacent yeah yeah, yeah thing 

1814
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:51,840
then we had like a modernist 
intriguing kind of scandal 

1815
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:57,200
newsworthy but like a little bit
more niche yeah and then. 

1816
01:34:57,200 --> 01:35:00,920
Yes, yes, yes. 
Kind of like Gypsy Rose or the 

1817
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:05,120
TJ in India. 
And then we had like a 1700s 

1818
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:08,920
one. 
And then we have a 20 tens, 

1819
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:14,560
something I loved in high 
school, like, I don't know, just

1820
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:17,200
very us. 
Yeah, but yeah, that's next 

1821
01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:19,080
week. 
Did we even mention that we 

1822
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:21,120
were? 
Mentioned in the Guardian. 

1823
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:23,320
No, we didn't. 
Yeah. 

1824
01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:29,360
Which was a huge surprise. 
Yes so so cool, but just 

1825
01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:32,800
mentioned an article. 
They were like some historical 

1826
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:35,640
couples, some stuff for 
millennials. 

1827
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:39,920
Yep, thanks to the. 
Guardian, thank you guys for 

1828
01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:41,560
listening. 
Yeah, and. 

1829
01:35:43,400 --> 01:35:48,520
We'll yield back together next 
week. 

1830
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:55,480
Is your heartbeat with pain? 
Shall I come back?