1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:07,560 Are you lonesome tonight? Do you miss me tonight? 2 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:17,160 Are you sorry? Hi guys. 3 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,080 Hi, guys. Welcome back to another episode 4 00:00:21,080 --> 00:00:23,840 of Significant Lovers. We are Your hosts. 5 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:28,440 I'm Kel and I am Mel and we are two cousins. 6 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,240 Two cousins from Boston, MA trivia. 7 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,760 Name. Well, a little outside Boston, 8 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:39,360 but yeah, not actually. Greater Boston area we we know 9 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:43,560 the city, but but now we're separated. 10 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,320 I'm in New York. Kelly was in New York, and she's 11 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,040 still kind of here in New York, but she's also back to New 12 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,800 England in New Hampshire. Slash New York. 13 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,520 I'm just kidding. I still live there, kind of. 14 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,720 Yeah, well, when she's here, she's living. 15 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,360 Yeah. What do you call that? 16 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:03,600 True living here. I know. 17 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,600 Yeah, today is a huge episode in my opinion. 18 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,880 I am so excited for this. So Mel, you have no reason to be 19 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:17,240 nervous. Mel is in charge today, but this 20 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:23,560 is the one and only Meg Ryan and Dennis Quaid and should have let 21 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,840 you say it. We love No, it's gay. 22 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:30,640 We love Meg Ryan because we, like a lot of hopeless 23 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,600 romantics, are obsessed with her romantic comedies. 24 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,440 Specifically, the two that we bond over so much are When Harry 25 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:45,640 Met Sally and You've Got Mail. But we also I'll fuck with 26 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,000 Sleepless in Seattle. I was like, kind of disappointed 27 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,160 in it when I first saw it. But equally. 28 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,600 It's a top tier film, I think. Yeah, I should see it again. 29 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,120 It grew on me. Have you seen any other movies 30 00:01:58,120 --> 00:01:58,560 with? Her. 31 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:03,800 I don't think so. Actually I've I've seen Kate and 32 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,960 Leopold, but that was so long ago. 33 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:10,479 And you've seen Top Gun. She is the voice of Anastasia, 34 00:02:10,479 --> 00:02:14,880 my favorite cartoon of all time. Oh yeah, I didn't know that. 35 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:19,280 And I own a movie She's in, but I haven't watched it yet. 36 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,520 In the land of women's OH Oh no. I have seen in the land, in the 37 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,520 land of women. But that was a long time ago 38 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,000 too. And we actually pulled our 39 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:32,880 patrons on Patreon. What is your favorite Meg Ryan 40 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,960 movie of when Herman, Sally, you've got male and sleepless in 41 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,120 Seattle? Only 2% of people said sleepless 42 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:43,280 in Seattle and Muna said pretty shocked to see sleepless in 43 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,080 Seattle. Got no love da da da Also not 44 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:51,920 shocked at the same time and 56% said When Harry Met Sally and 45 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:56,400 28% said You've Got Mail leaving 16% that said never seen any of 46 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:57,880 them. I'm not surprised that Harry, 47 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:00,320 when Harry met Sally's the most favorite. 48 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:01,960 I think that's what mine would be too. 49 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,280 Me too. It's funny because me and my 50 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,640 friend May, we went to Seattle recently and we were talking 51 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:12,320 about all of these movies the whole trip and she loves him in 52 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,160 Seattle. And my favorite would be When 53 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,360 Harry Met Sally. And it was interesting for us 54 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,880 both to look at our own love lives and be like, wow. 55 00:03:18,920 --> 00:03:23,280 The plot of both of these has influenced our own romantic 56 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,200 desires and interests. She she's very into the love at 57 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:31,480 first sight concept, whereas I love the friends to lovers. 58 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:37,360 Trope And I do think that my love for When Harry Met Sally 59 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:43,640 has probably influenced me very heavily with some people who I 60 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,600 have had strong feelings for. So I could see that. 61 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,400 Yeah, I could see that. Especially that scene at the end 62 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,120 when it's New Year's Eve. I watch that every New Year's 63 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:59,000 Eve, but I've also just watched it and been like this is going 64 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,200 to happen for me. But it hasn't. 65 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:06,480 But maybe someday. I do love love at first sight. 66 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:07,880 I got to admit. I don't know why. 67 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:12,320 I know it's like, so simple. But something about it I do 68 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,600 love. So what is Meg Ryan's dating 69 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:20,519 life in real Like in real life? Is it anything like these 70 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:24,080 movies? I'll let you decide, but I don't 71 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,680 think so. I think Meg Ryan, Here's the 72 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,960 thing about these movies is she plays. 73 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,920 Not a honestly pretty similar character in a lot of the 74 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,760 romantic comedies that she's known for, where she's adorable 75 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:44,120 and quirky and, you know, sweetheart, maybe a little bit 76 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,160 neurotic. And I think she stubborn. 77 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,680 Yes, stubborn. And people always assume that 78 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,720 that's how she is in real life. And so the story that I'm about 79 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,400 to tell you. It really comes in contrast with 80 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,120 her characters, and that will be a problem. 81 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:07,520 Oh yeah, OK well, I'm ready. I want to hear it all. 82 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,680 Right. So the three words that I would 83 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,680 use to describe them would be idealized, complex and 84 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,000 disconnected. No, that last one. 85 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,520 Yeah. So here we are with Meg Ryan. 86 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,800 She was born Margaret Mary Emily Ann Hira. 87 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,960 Can you believe that? Like how many names was that? 88 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:35,840 123455 names I don't know why. Can you say it again? 89 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:44,240 Margaret, Mary, Emily Ann Hira, I think. 90 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,760 Wow, I want to say Ryan in there. 91 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,480 Anywhere. No, and neither is Meg, OK? 92 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:55,800 But she later when she joined SAG, she went by Ryan because 93 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,400 that is her grandmother's maiden name and I'm guessing that she 94 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,520 was still called Meg. I don't know if Meg is. 95 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:06,800 Is that a nickname for Margaret? I didn't think it was, but you 96 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,800 just say can be. Some people do that kind of 97 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,600 stuff, you know? Yeah. 98 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:16,880 So she was born November 19th, 1961 in Fairfield, CT. 99 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,280 I guess that would make her a. Is that a Scorpio? 100 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,320 Yes, I think yes. Same. 101 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,920 As me. So her mom was Susan Jordan, a 102 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:32,760 former actress and English teacher, and her dad was a math 103 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,600 teacher named Harry, and she has two sisters and a brother, and 104 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,200 her family was pretty devout Catholic while she was growing 105 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:40,320 up. And even though she's still 106 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,840 spiritual, she wasn't super Catholic herself. 107 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:46,000 And then, at age 15, her mom actually left her father and 108 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,680 moved to Manhattan to pursue her dreams of becoming an actress. 109 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:55,920 Which was very hard on Meg. This is going to be a big, you 110 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,240 know, point of tension throughout her life and her 111 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,640 story and even her marriage with Dennis Quaid. 112 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,520 And I think this had a huge impact on her, obviously. 113 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,920 And she was really popular in school, but I think it was 114 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,560 really hard for her to not have her mom there in high school, 115 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,480 especially like, she was the homecoming queen. 116 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,160 She was a cheerleader like her mom. 117 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,640 Like, really missed out on those experiences. 118 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,520 My gosh. And that's crazy that then she 119 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,720 went to pursue acting. I feel like I would always have 120 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,840 kind of a weird. Yeah, well, so I think like, she 121 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:30,440 still saw her mom, so she went to NYU for college. 122 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,400 So she's in New York with her mom and she's studied 123 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,920 journalism. But her mom at this time was 124 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,880 working as a casting agent. And so I think she was getting 125 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:46,080 Meg set up on commercials and doing small gigs for just extra 126 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,480 money on the side. And later, Meg would say that 127 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,520 she felt kind of cornered into acting by her mom. 128 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,280 I don't know how true that is. Like she was. 129 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:59,440 She was an adult at this time, but she has said that she never 130 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,560 intended to be an actress. Really. 131 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:05,600 That's funny that she's studying journalism, because isn't that 132 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,040 what Sally is in When Harry Met Sally? 133 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,200 Oh yeah, that's so true. She actually said that. 134 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,920 Like so. This is already making her seem 135 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,440 far less romantic than her character. 136 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,920 She said that she wanted to study journalism because. 137 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,720 She liked the idea of writing from an objective place and not 138 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,120 having any emotion and storytelling. 139 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:32,320 Yeah, that is different. Also, anyone that hasn't seen 140 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,080 when Harry mentally, obviously our whole show, like all the 141 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,240 episodes are modeled after like the title is modeled after it. 142 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:41,440 Just had to mention that. Yeah. 143 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,960 Anyway. And so she then learned a couple 144 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,280 small roles like she was in a soap opera. 145 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,000 But. Her first real role, I guess, 146 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:56,000 would be in 1986 she played Nick Bradshaw's wife Carol in Top 147 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,960 Gun. And then in 1987, she had a 148 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:04,240 supporting role in the drama Promised Land, which landed her 149 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,240 an Independent Spirit Award. So she's, you know, taking off a 150 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,600 little bit. And I would describe her, well, 151 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,800 actually people have described her in these terms as deep. 152 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:19,360 And I have a quote from. Dennis where he said Meg has a 153 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,840 lot of depth and range in her profession as well as a person. 154 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,960 She's a deep thinker in that she questions every motive in 155 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,840 action. She's also very into meditation 156 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,160 and she reads a lot. She's very spiritual. 157 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,120 She seems like she's very into faith. 158 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,320 She's charming, Billy Crystal said. 159 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,240 Meg is everybody you ever wanted to go out with in high school 160 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:44,080 who said no to you? She's really loyal, not to keep 161 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:49,800 name dropping, but Rosie O'Donnell said. 162 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,880 As a best friend you feel that you could be intimate with her 163 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:57,320 and she does wouldn't betray you and then I'll name drop one more 164 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:02,320 time and say that she's passionate, Tom Hanks said. 165 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,720 Who said this? Tom Hanks, he said. 166 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,680 She does have a. Definite way of just sitting 167 00:10:08,680 --> 00:10:11,800 around and curling up in the chair when you're talking about 168 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,760 stuff she absorbs a lot. She asks questions, but she 169 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,200 doesn't do that thing that almost everybody does. 170 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,920 They ask you the question because they want to answer it. 171 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,640 Sounds like a nice friend. I know she does. 172 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,520 She seems like someone who's really present in the moment, 173 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,600 and despite being known for her romantic comedies, she's openly 174 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,840 admitted that she's not actually a romantic person herself and 175 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,520 instead. Identifies as being more 176 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,160 pragmatic and sensible. Wow. 177 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,800 I would also say that she's pretty down to earth. 178 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,280 It seems like she said so many times that she doesn't even 179 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,680 identify as being a celebrity, and then she often forgets that 180 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:52,520 people would even know who she is. 181 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,480 That's cool. And I have a. 182 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,000 Feeling well, I'll get into Dennis Clay, but I have a 183 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,760 feeling that he might be the opposite. 184 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,160 I feel like he's like he's good at being a celebrity and I feel 185 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,320 like to her. It's something she doesn't even 186 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,480 really think about, if that makes sense. 187 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,720 But who is Dennis? Is it weird? 188 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:13,440 Isn't it? Everyone do these episodes to 189 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:14,840 refer to them by their first name. 190 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,800 By the way, the weird that we call them by their first name. 191 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,640 Because you know how publications will be like Ryan 192 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:26,640 or Quaid but I feel like this is journalism has to follow like AP 193 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,720 style and. This is not journalism. 194 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:39,040 We do research, but I don't think we obviously are biased 195 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,960 too. These are, no, these are I think 196 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:48,400 that we are more casual. These are just our friends, Mr. 197 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,560 Dennis. That would be funny if we did 198 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:52,760 become really formal like that, I know. 199 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:57,040 Mr. Dennis Gawade himself. So he was born April 9th, 200 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:02,600 Kristen Stewart's birthday 1954 in Houston, TX. 201 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,160 That would make him a guys don't hate me. 202 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,440 I don't know these off the top of my head An Aries right? 203 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,200 I'm not sure it is an Aries. I think so. 204 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,560 He grew up in Houston, TX and guess what? 205 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,200 He did not move around. He did not move around at all. 206 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:21,760 He had a very normal childhood. He grew up in the suburb of Bel 207 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:27,200 Air his entire life. I know I wouldn't have expected 208 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,120 it for him. His mom, Juanita, was a real 209 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,360 estate agent and his dad, William was an electrician. 210 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,880 And he also has an older brother, Randy, and I think 211 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,200 maybe a sister too. I'm not sure. 212 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,120 But so his brother Randy is also a famous actor now. 213 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:49,800 And he has said that his father was an alcoholic and his parents 214 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,960 divorced when he was a teenager. And at some point his father 215 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,280 remarried and he also got a stepbrother and a step sister 216 00:12:56,560 --> 00:12:59,080 who he is very close with. But I don't really know much 217 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,840 about. I don't know their names, to be 218 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,240 honest with you. That's OK. 219 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,520 So yeah, he had a normal childhood that we played Little 220 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,880 League, he did swimming, he walked to school every day and 221 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,560 he seemed to be friends with all the neighborhood kids. 222 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:15,520 Just a typical childhood. As a teenager, he was very shy 223 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,000 and skinny and he didn't make the football team. 224 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:22,960 And so he then decided to go out for the drama department, mostly 225 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,480 because they had an air conditioner in the room. 226 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,080 And it's Texas. It was really hot. 227 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:33,200 So that was, you know, it's funny, a luxury, yeah. 228 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,480 But so he began acting in the school plays, and after high 229 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,480 school, he enrolled in the University of Houston to study 230 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,840 theatre. And then in 1973, during his 231 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,480 junior year, he dropped out and moved to Hollywood, and he 232 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:53,440 followed his older brother Randy, who at this time was now 233 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,720 a working actor doing small roles but could afford to house 234 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:02,320 Dennis on his couch. And at first I think you mean 235 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,400 Quaid. Mr. Quaid. 236 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:08,360 Oh yeah, Mr. Quaid. Yes, I was kidding at first. 237 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:13,200 Mr. Quaid really struggled to find work and he thought that he 238 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:17,760 made a big mistake. But you know, then he was only 239 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,920 booking small rules. And then in 1977 he met this 240 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:27,960 actress named PJ Soules who was his Co star in the film Our 241 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,480 Winning Season and they began to date. 242 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,320 And then during that time, he also unfortunately, was really 243 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:38,000 struggling with an addiction to alcohol and cocaine. 244 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:43,640 And so he booked himself into a 28 day rehab program at St. 245 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:48,160 John's Hospital And then after getting out at just age 24, him 246 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:54,760 and PJ got married. And then in 1975 he sorry, I 247 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:56,280 feel like I'm just like speeding through this. 248 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:00,560 But he landed a supporting role in the film Breaking Away, which 249 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:05,000 then got him on the radar of many more producers, especially 250 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,160 because the film had been nominated for Actually, I Might 251 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,320 Have Even. Won the Academy Award for Best 252 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,440 Original Screenplay. So it was small role but big 253 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,120 film. And then from there he had a lot 254 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,000 of steady roles throughout the 80s. 255 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,680 But his next big role would be in 1983 in the film The Right 256 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,880 Stuff. And after that he became much 257 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:29,520 more of a celebrity and his relationship took a back seat. 258 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,400 So him and PJ ended up getting divorced in 1983. 259 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,000 And then after that, I PJI know. Sorry. 260 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,800 Cute name though. That's a really cute name, but 261 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,920 cute. So after that, like he was a big 262 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:44,440 star. Now he's single. 263 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,080 He's in his late 20s, early 30s and. 264 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,480 He's getting kind of caught up in the Hollywood life. 265 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,680 He's, you know, going to an endless string of parties. 266 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,640 And he has a lot of celebrity friends. 267 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,400 He's doing a lot of drugs, Mr. Quay. 268 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:00,880 Yeah. And he's getting with a lot of 269 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,320 ladies. I think he's a ladies man. 270 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,600 And I would describe him as being really energetic. 271 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,760 He does have a lot of hobbies. He's funny. 272 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:14,120 He's charitable. He's always really busy. 273 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,160 He's a really good musician. He plays guitar. 274 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:22,360 Oh my gosh. Wait, did you say breaking away? 275 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:24,680 Yeah. Wait, was the movie? 276 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:29,720 I yeah, I saw that movie a couple months ago for my 277 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,560 family's movie. Did you like it? 278 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,360 Yeah, I did. It's a good movie. 279 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,520 He was like a mean one of the kids in it. 280 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,800 Oh, he's a kid in it? Well, no, I mean, he's like a 281 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:42,120 college kid. Oh cool. 282 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,800 Wait, looking it up now. Wow, he is he is pretty. 283 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,160 He is. He is such AI don't know. 284 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,680 I feel like different ages have such a look to them and who they 285 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,720 consider like a babe and I feel like he is such a 80s babe. 286 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,200 No, he really is. He's got like the. 287 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,880 The way his, like, jaw is, yeah, it's. 288 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,440 I hate to say this, this is like not politically correct of me, 289 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:11,760 but that kind of hot guy looks, I feel like usually doesn't age 290 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,079 that well. You know what I mean? 291 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,839 Yeah, well, he looks older. Well, he looks he'll be like, 292 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:20,359 but he's he's aged pretty good now. 293 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,839 But I feel like usually those guys really peak when they're 294 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:24,000 young. Does that make sense? 295 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:26,119 Yeah. Yeah. 296 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:27,640 I don't. I get what you're saying. 297 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,480 I feel like there's because I feel like he looks older than 298 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,400 his age. Exactly. 299 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,880 Look really manly and attractive. 300 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,000 But then. But then those guys can age just 301 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,960 as fast. I'm talking like the captain of 302 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,840 the wrestling team. Look, you know, yeah, yeah, 303 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,320 yeah. I know what you're saying, yeah. 304 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:49,320 Might be offensive people get over saying, but he told us to 305 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:54,440 keep in those moments rain. That's a thought that was like, 306 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,440 obviously not in my notes. The thoughts that are not in my 307 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,680 notes born in the episode can sometimes be hit or miss. 308 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,960 But kind of has like a Tom Cruise look to him. 309 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:10,400 Too, I can see that, Yeah. He's like, he is really sexy. 310 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,880 Yeah, he's got like a bravado to him, You know, it's interesting 311 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,760 that both, I don't know, he, he seems, it seems like he wasn't 312 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,160 actually like a popular guy in high school, but that kind, 313 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,520 that's kind of what he seems like when he's older. 314 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,400 Yeah, you know what I mean. So true, even though it's not a 315 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,520 thing when you're an adult, but I feel like that's kind of his 316 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,720 image once he's in Hollywood, that he's like a cool. 317 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,520 Guy. But you know, sometimes I almost 318 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,720 feel like then because he wasn't like a popular guy in high 319 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,760 school, he's compensating for that. 320 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,680 Once he becomes a Hollywood star, then it's He can't stop 321 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,680 himself from hanging out with all the cool people and like 322 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:52,040 partying a lot, yeah. But he also is very spiritual as 323 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,840 well, just like Megan that will come up later. 324 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,120 Oh, OK. So. 325 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,160 It's 1984 and Dennis has moved to New York City after living in 326 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,840 Hollywood, and he's there to perform in the Off Broadway show 327 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:12,880 Trues W with his brother Randy. And while there, nice, I know 328 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,560 cute. And while there, he spots Meg 329 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:19,160 from a distance. And he would later say we lived 330 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,400 about a block from each other on the Upper West Side, but we 331 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,440 didn't know each other. One Sunday morning, I was 332 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,000 walking downtown to do a matinee when I see Meg in a blue 333 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,200 sweater, walking up the street swinging her arms. 334 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,040 There was nothing about her that I couldn't forget. 335 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:41,320 Oh, swinging her arms. I know, that's so cute. 336 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,560 And around this time, a friend apparently had dragged. 337 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,320 They always say this A friend dragged me to his movie. 338 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:53,560 Like, why didn't you want to go? It's so true. 339 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,840 They always. Always say like I didn't even 340 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:58,920 want to go, but a friend made me OK. 341 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,840 I don't know if that's being honest or if it just makes the 342 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,760 story more. Serendipitous, but so she went 343 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:08,600 to see how. Often. 344 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,480 Does that happen to you? Someone drags you to something? 345 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,000 Yeah, so rarely. Like the movies. 346 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,640 Nobody makes me see a movie. I usually also don't tell people 347 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,520 if I don't actually want to go. She's an actress. 348 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,400 She. No, but I do feel like that's 349 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,280 something people say in interviews all the time. 350 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,200 Yeah. Oh, they dragged me and. 351 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,640 Whatever. But so they went to see Dennis's 352 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,720 film The Right Stuff, And she will later say, I remember 353 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,400 thinking that actor was a real guy guy. 354 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,240 Totally. They didn't meet yet what I was 355 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:43,200 trying to say. Yeah, exactly. 356 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,440 He's a man's man. It's 1987. 357 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,120 The couple finally meet for the first time while filming the 358 00:20:50,120 --> 00:20:54,640 sci-fi film Inner Space, but at this time they're both in 359 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,720 relationships with other people. Meg wasn't that famous yet, like 360 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,200 she was still known for her small role in Top Gun and she 361 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,920 was dating the actor Anthony Edwards, who she Co starred in 362 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,720 that movie with Top Gun. And then Dennis was dating an 363 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,760 actress named Leah Thompson at the time. 364 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,880 And later Dennis would say we were both involved with people 365 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,120 at the time, so nothing was going to happen. 366 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:25,400 And Meg would say he was oh, he was miniaturized in the pod most 367 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,760 of the movie, so there was not much interaction. 368 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,760 I haven't seen the film, but sounds like his character 369 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,080 shrinks, shrinks down and is like isolated. 370 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:40,800 So, But then in 1995, she would tell Vanity Fair. 371 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,040 I remember the first time I saw his ABS. 372 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,400 We were making inner space and he had to do a scene in which he 373 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,240 didn't have on any clothes. He was in a trailer getting body 374 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,560 makeup on. All of us were there, staring at 375 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,080 his ABS and going, is there a sound those things make? 376 00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:01,560 I don't know what that means. I've never thought that. 377 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,520 But wait, wait, can you say that again? 378 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,080 OK, she says. All of us were there, staring at 379 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,160 his ABS and going, is there a sound those things make? 380 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:15,480 Oh, like those ABS are so hot. Like, do they make a noise? 381 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,280 I don't know. I feel like that doesn't geeking 382 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:23,320 clench them. Yeah, I wonder. 383 00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:28,080 So yeah, so they're just having a professional relationship. 384 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:32,200 And then it's 1988 and now they're both single and they're 385 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,680 once again Co starring in a film together. 386 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,680 This time they're starring in the thriller DOA. 387 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:44,240 And apparently Dennis was interested in Meg, but she was a 388 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:48,400 little bit more reserved at 1st and she later said he wasn't 389 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,480 what I was expecting in life. You know, the wild guy from 390 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,480 Texas? I kept thinking to myself, no, 391 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:59,080 not him, please not him. So I don't think he was really 392 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,080 her type, is what she's trying to say. 393 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,360 But then interesting, one hot summer night while filming, 394 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:11,760 Dennis put his arm around Meg in a crowded bar and he told 395 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,880 Entertainment Weekly it was like a Thunderbolt. 396 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,520 Both of us felt this is it, we're going to be together. 397 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,920 Wow, cool. I like that. 398 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,480 We know that. I know. 399 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,560 But you don't always get those little details. 400 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,400 I know you really don't. Those are hard to come by. 401 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,240 Yeah. So then right after that film 402 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,320 wrapped, they took a trip to Bora Bora together and they 403 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,880 became official. And initially, they were really 404 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:44,440 bonding a lot about both being spiritual seekers and would read 405 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,240 passages from their favorite books together about 406 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:52,360 enlightenment, enlightenment, and they did yoga together and 407 00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:56,120 meditated. I did not picture that. 408 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,520 I know. Me neither. 409 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,360 And so that that's, I feel like a very common thing that they 410 00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:04,560 both share throughout their relationship. 411 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:09,280 So then after they wrapped that film and went on their trip, 412 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:14,240 that's when Meg then was in When Harry Met Sally playing Sally 413 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,200 Albright. And this is a film that would, 414 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,680 yeah. This is, of course, a film that 415 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,600 would catapult her into a list status. 416 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,080 And she was significantly more famous than him now. 417 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:33,720 And in 2018, Dennis gave an interview with Megyn Kelly, and 418 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,320 he said that he struggled to cope with Meg's rising fame. 419 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,560 He said, when we met, you know, I was the big deal. 420 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,680 And then my career came to a halt. 421 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,280 We'd go out on the streets of New York and it would be like 422 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,800 Meg, Meg. And I have to admit, I actually 423 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,160 did feel like I disappeared. I didn't think I was that small, 424 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,680 but I was. It was a growth opportunity. 425 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,400 I learned from that. Wow, I wonder. 426 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,160 I just it's so interesting. Like, I wonder how it would feel 427 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,360 if you weren't an actor or like you weren't trying to be famous. 428 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:07,920 Would it still bother you or? I think I think it would. 429 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,920 If you met them and they weren't that famous and then they became 430 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,360 famous like that's. True. 431 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,200 I mean, we kind of saw that with Albert Einstein and. 432 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,520 Oh yeah, I think some other people too, like, suddenly 433 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,640 you're competing with the whole world for their attention. 434 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,840 Mm hmm. Yeah, you would totally change 435 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,320 the dynamic, but it totally changes the dynamic, I think 436 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,880 when it's the woman that is more successful than the guy too. 437 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:39,480 Yes, yes, I know. I mean, might be a stereotype, 438 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,960 generalizing, whatever. But it just seems like 439 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:47,120 throughout history, men are not comfortable with the woman 440 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:50,720 outshining them, if they're. Competitors, in a way, if 441 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,040 they're in, especially if they're in the same industry. 442 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:58,320 I mean, I think some men are OK with it, But yeah, I mean, 443 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,920 that's a thing, right? That when women win the Oscar, 444 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,240 they often get divorced afterward. 445 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,360 Whereas women, I feel like, are all often so willing and happy 446 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:13,320 to support a man. Like, I feel like we've covered 447 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:14,760 this so much on our show already. 448 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,720 Where the? Man is a rock star or an actor 449 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,680 or something, and he's like doing his thing, cheating on 450 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,800 her, whatever, on drugs. And the woman's just standing by 451 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:24,880 him. I know. 452 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,080 Well, it's, it's scene. It's unfortunate, but Cena's 453 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,080 like emasculating for guys, yeah, in these traditional 454 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,960 relationships because they're like, I should be the one that's 455 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,360 providing. And yeah. 456 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,000 It's. I know something people got to 457 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,280 get over, but so they had a pretty cute relationship. 458 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:45,840 They seemed really madly in love. 459 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,280 They dated for three years, and one time Meg hired a plane to 460 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,480 fly a banner that read Happy Birthday Dennis over a concert 461 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,360 where him and his band The Electrics, were playing. 462 00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:00,600 He was in a band. Yeah, he was. 463 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,800 I don't think it was like a crazy famous band. 464 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,240 But he played guitar. And then, on her birthday in 465 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,560 1998, he hired A marching band to arrive onto the set of her 466 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,680 film and play Happy Birthday for her. 467 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,680 Those are both so extravagant, I know. 468 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,320 I love. I love above those. 469 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,280 Airplane banners in the sky, at the beach. 470 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:24,080 Whatever. I don't know. 471 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:24,920 I know. Me too. 472 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,520 Me too. Makes me so excited and happy 473 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,600 when I see one. I think it's just an ad for 474 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,240 like, Dunkin' Donuts. I know, but honestly, it works 475 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,320 on me. I love that they're doing this 476 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:43,000 traditional form of advertising. Yeah, and it's exciting. 477 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,560 It's like entertainment on the beach. 478 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,480 That's that's really romantic. Both of those are really cool. 479 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,520 Wow. But unfortunately, Dennis was 480 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:58,520 still very much struggling with his addiction and he was going 481 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:03,440 on a lot of benders. Yeah, that's not in You've Got 482 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,120 Mail, No. Or When Harry Meant Sally. 483 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,840 Oh no, that doesn't even exist in those universes. 484 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:14,200 And so he's back to doing cocaine pretty much every day, 485 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,680 he said. And he would arrive on set after 486 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,480 a Bender and everyone on the crew would know that he was 487 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,320 really fucked up and it started begin like began affecting his 488 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:28,360 career. So they got engaged in 1990 and 489 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,120 the press was super obsessed with their relationship, and no 490 00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:33,800 one really knew that behind closed doors he was very much 491 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:39,120 still struggling. And according to a 2001 492 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,200 Entertainment Weekly article, they apparently got in a very 493 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:47,480 highly publicized argument in an LA club, which I think was about 494 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,000 his addiction, but I couldn't actually find, like they say, 495 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,400 highly publicized. I couldn't actually find any 496 00:28:54,400 --> 00:29:00,120 account from that to hear any more details, but I it must have 497 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,960 been about his addiction, because then afterwards there 498 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,960 were a lot of reports that she had refused to marry him unless 499 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,960 he got clean. So he then went to rehab for the 500 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,800 second time and they had to postpone their wedding. 501 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,960 Oh man, I know. Like they actually had a date 502 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,440 set and they had to postpone, yeah. 503 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,800 That's tough. And following rehab, she was 504 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,880 really supportive and she would like go to support meetings and 505 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,680 like do therapy with Dennis. But apparently Megan's. 506 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,400 I mean, I don't think she goes by Megan. 507 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:40,440 Apparently Meg's mother, Susan Jordan, she had a fallout this 508 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,040 year with Meg, which I think would last to this day if she's 509 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,120 still alive. Like, I don't think they ever 510 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,400 rekindled their relationship. And apparently, really, yeah, 511 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,240 apparently it had to do with Dennis's drug use. 512 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,760 According to Meg's mom, though, Meg, when she's talked about it, 513 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,280 has claimed that the problems go back way further. 514 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,920 And of course, go back to when the mom left her father back 515 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,400 when she was in high school. But apparently Susan, her mom, 516 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,920 had publicly talked about Dennis's drug addiction to the 517 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,480 tabloids, and so that disobeyed Meg's trust. 518 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:23,360 And her mom also began maybe writing a tell all book about 519 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,280 her. But I don't think it ever was 520 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,920 published. My gosh, I know we saw this. 521 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:31,560 Didn't we see this with somebody? 522 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,880 Oh, Jennifer Aniston's mom did the same thing. 523 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,560 That's such a betrayal. It is. 524 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,240 I think her mom must have been pretty fame hungry. 525 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,880 And I bet that's why Meg is often like, I don't even care 526 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,840 about being famous, because it's something she kind of resented 527 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:53,480 her mom for. Yeah, she's seen her own mother, 528 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:58,440 stupid to such low levels for attention and money that's 529 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,680 upsetting, you know. I always hate to hear about that 530 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,360 happening. Like someone being estranged 531 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,960 from I know, and her mom even like her mom had breast cancer. 532 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,640 And so Meg would be asked about that in interviews, which I 533 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,680 think is a little personal, but would be asked like, would you 534 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,800 feel guilty if you didn't rekindle her, your relationship 535 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,320 with her? And she would say, like, I don't 536 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,400 think about that. I mean, but it must have been 537 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,280 really hard for her to have to make that decision, be in that 538 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,760 position where she had to actually cut out her mom. 539 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,240 You know, it's crazy that that's such an intimate, such a 540 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,480 personal question. I know it's crazy a stranger 541 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,360 would ask you. I know. 542 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,560 I feel like they don't really go there anymore. 543 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,480 I know because. Social media would shame them, I 544 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:42,360 know. Exactly. 545 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,920 So then it's 1991, and Dennis has been clean for several 546 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,520 months. And on Valentine's Day, he 547 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,680 suddenly tells Meg today's the day while they're staying at a 548 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,880 Bel Air hotel. And so the concierge tracked 549 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,880 down a minister and they got married in their hotel room. 550 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:08,120 She was 28 and he was 36. I wouldn't love that, but I 551 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,480 think because she's a strange she's estranged from her family, 552 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,280 there's it's probably easier to get eloped than to have a big 553 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,120 party. Wow, I actually didn't know 554 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,560 they. Got married, to be honest. 555 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:20,480 Oh, really? Yeah. 556 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,080 Yeah, she would later tell the New York Post. 557 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,960 I was laughing and crying at the same time, and I realized I 558 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,040 could have never gotten married in front of a whole group of 559 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,840 people. Yeah, some people feel. 560 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,040 That way, yeah. Well, whatever. 561 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,360 No, I like a wedding, you know. I love a wedding. 562 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,480 Yeah, I love it if I was her friend. 563 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,520 I'd be very upset, but that's OK, Meg. 564 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,560 And three months later, we got married. 565 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,760 Yeah, it only took three months. Three months and Oh yeah, three 566 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,280 months and eleven years or something. 12 years. 567 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,160 I love that. Yeah. 568 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,080 No, she's. I feel like that's already so 569 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,480 contrary to the romantic comedy character. 570 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,640 She doesn't even have a wedding, like a big wedding ceremony. 571 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,960 But there is something quite romantic, I think, about people 572 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,280 getting elope. I do think that that is really 573 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,760 sweet and kind of sexy too. Yeah, him being like today's. 574 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,400 The day that is on Valentine's Day, yeah. 575 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,960 And the whole rush of it all like that is really sweet. 576 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,560 So then it's 1992, not long after their son and only child 577 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,360 together, Jack Henry, was born via an emergency C-section 578 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:38,560 because this baby weighed £10. So, wow, pretty big baby. 579 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,640 That's big, right? 10 pounds? 580 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,800 Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I hate to think that. 581 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,880 But yeah, I would not. How much did you weigh? 582 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,840 Do you? Know I was premature. 583 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:53,280 I think I weighed £5. Oh so small I know. 584 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,120 What about you? I think I was like 7. 585 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,800 Something. OK, so I. 586 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,280 Think that's normal. Yeah, I would not want something 587 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,520 £10 like coming out, coming out of me. 588 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,360 It just put me on dirt. Wow. 589 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,560 So after Jack was born and while Dennis was still recovering, 590 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,280 their family spent a lot of time in Montana where Dennis had 591 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,920 purchased a 200 acre ranch and they practice. 592 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,080 Dennis like did a lot of his activities. 593 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,440 He did a lot of fly fishing and piloting during that time. 594 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,520 So he's like he's such a man of his hobbies. 595 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:39,840 You know, they also, yeah, they also bought a 1917 bungalow in 596 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,560 Santa Monica. So they're very, they're in LA, 597 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,880 but they also spend a lot of time in Montana. 598 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,040 Isn't Jack now an actor? He is. 599 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,920 He's pretty successful. He was in The Hunger Games. 600 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,480 Yeah, I just. Had such a weird thought. 601 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,560 Like what if he listened to this podcast? 602 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:02,160 My God, that would be so weird. He's pretty cute and he looks 603 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,200 just like he looks like a perfect combination between his 604 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,840 parents. He does. 605 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,360 I know that that's such an obvious thing to say because he 606 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,920 literally is. But some people not as much. 607 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,320 You don't see it. Oh yeah. 608 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,000 I look nothing like my dad whatsoever. 609 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,040 He was in, Yeah, The Hunger Games. 610 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,240 Oppenheimer. That's a big one, that. 611 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:27,920 Is Big One good? Good for you. 612 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,080 Yeah, Jack. So. 613 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,520 Yes. After a lot of back-to-back, 614 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:39,360 back-to-back film projects, Meg decided to take a step back and 615 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,480 just focus on being a wife and a mother for a short while. 616 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,000 And she was profiled in Vanity Fair. 617 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,960 And Dennis talks a lot about those early years when he was 618 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,320 struggling with his addiction and he said she stayed there and 619 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,800 stuck it out with me. It was a big test of life on me 620 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,160 and on me and on her and on the relationship. 621 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,880 But we really loved each other enough to hang in there. 622 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,000 We've been together for about 8 years and people go through all 623 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,440 different stages. People change and we've been 624 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,320 able to change along with each other. 625 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,160 Then he laughs and says I can't speak, I can't speak for her. 626 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,760 I know for myself I ain't letting go. 627 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,280 Which is sweet. It is. 628 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,480 Meanwhile, Megan, the same interview says every day. 629 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,800 I'm surprised that Dennis and I are still together, but Dennis 630 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,240 and I both come into this bringing something new to the 631 00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:33,320 party. Neither of us is the kind of 632 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,960 person that thinks the other person is going to make us feel 633 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,200 one way or the other. We're very intact separately so 634 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,160 that when we come together, it's about something else. 635 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,520 Hmm. Didn't Suki, Suki Waterhouse 636 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:47,960 just recently said the same thing? 637 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,000 Like, I'm so surprised that I'm still, like, happy with the 638 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,400 seafoods and I don't know if I would love that. 639 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,880 I guess not. I mean, I guess it's realistic, 640 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,840 you know, I guess so. But. 641 00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:05,760 Yeah, I I think I would not. Like to hear my spouse say that? 642 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:09,680 Who would have thought I'd be happy with Mel for five years? 643 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,320 That's crazy. I know I didn't. 644 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:20,680 See that happening and why? But every day we bring. 645 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,400 Something like what if I don't bring something one day? 646 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,360 I know. What do you bring? 647 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:31,840 That's a lot of pressure. Yeah, reading too far into it. 648 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:37,040 Yeah, So it's so weird, though, because the Oh my gosh, the 649 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,680 interviewer asks Meg. This is like how crazy the times 650 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,080 have changed because they're talking about how Dennis used to 651 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,520 struggle with addiction. And the interviewer brings up 652 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,360 that sometimes drug addiction can lead to problems in the 653 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,720 bedroom and that sometimes last. Two episodes. 654 00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,600 What has it been? A theme. 655 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,800 I know now I take a drink every time drug addiction leads to 656 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:09,320 erectile dysfunction. Oh my. 657 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,120 God, but but should I add that to the drinking? 658 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,480 Game maybe you Wait, no, wait, Didn't that also come up with 659 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,960 Elvis? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 660 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,520 Oh wait, from Elvis? But then also in the last 661 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:27,240 episode, it wasn't drug. It wasn't from drug addiction, 662 00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:31,240 but it wasn't from drug. It was like nervousness causing 663 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,920 some kind. Of dysfunction. 664 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:37,760 This, you know, this actually is I think, a common problem in 665 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,000 relationships, though I'm very happy that we can highlight it, 666 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,240 but thankfully, I know we're laughing, but it's. 667 00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:46,440 Very normal. It is very normal. 668 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,760 You don't have to be embarrassed. 669 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,400 But so the fact, oh, sorry, sorry, I'm like, I'm actually 670 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:53,720 flushing right now. I'm sorry but. 671 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,280 So we can be relieved, though, because this wasn't an issue. 672 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,760 Meg's laughed, and she says that's never been a problem with 673 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,800 Dennis. I can't believe someone asked 674 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,600 that. I know they they don't go there 675 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,760 these days. It's a little disappointing, 676 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,880 like nowadays it would turn on the interviewer and be like, how 677 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,920 dare you, I know. But in the same interview she 678 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,240 says that Dennis is more romantic than her, saying I 679 00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:26,840 don't get my feet swept off the ground very much. 680 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,200 I just find that I'm very grounded. 681 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,240 I know this is kind of. Psychoanalyzing. 682 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:34,040 Whatever. I don't know her, but I wonder 683 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,640 if, because of what happened with her parents, she's just 684 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:41,360 been unable to get too excited. Or to feel. 685 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,560 I wouldn't want her to think this be like fooled or 686 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:45,480 something. You know what I mean? 687 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,880 That she thinks. She just wants to be realistic. 688 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,960 I don't know. Yeah, no, 100%. 689 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,200 She's on edge. I. 690 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,960 Think she is. I think she's scared and she 691 00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:01,560 seems to have a wall up. But I mean, Dennis's parents. 692 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,280 Also got divorced. She does seem more romantic than 693 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,200 her, but. I know, it's it's funny how some 694 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,320 people react, everyone. Reacts differently to things 695 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,680 that happen to them. You know, everybody really is 696 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,920 different in their own way, yeah. 697 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:21,040 And we're. All the same, different and the. 698 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,920 Same, but that's the beauty of life, you know? 699 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:28,360 I know contradictions everywhere and like, I feel like, anyway, 700 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,040 this couple would love to have that conversation, 'cause they 701 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,000 really were so spiritual. Like, I do think they had a lot 702 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,680 of deep school conversations with each other. 703 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,480 And even in 1996, they took a trip to India together with 704 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,840 their son Jack as a part of their spiritual journey where 705 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,560 they meditated a lot and met with a lot of different. 706 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,560 Gurus. They even had their own personal 707 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,880 guru that they, like, consulted with. 708 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:52,920 Yeah. So they they get it, Yeah. 709 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,920 Yeah. And I think that goes to Meg 710 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,680 being so big present in the moment. 711 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,520 Like she's very much like, like she said grounded. 712 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,360 She's not like I do think a romanticism in a little bit of a 713 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:08,240 way, requires some sense of anxiety because you are thinking 714 00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:10,480 a lot about the past and the future. 715 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,360 And if you're a grounded person, you're just in the moment, so 716 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,720 you're not, like, letting yourself be romantic. 717 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,480 That's true. That's true. 718 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,720 Highly romantic people are way too caught up in the past and 719 00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:28,240 the future. Yeah, and that's, I would say 720 00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:29,880 that's myself. So me too. 721 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,280 And it can be. A problem? 722 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,000 It doesn't. I don't think it necessarily 723 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:38,120 makes me a more peaceful person. No, no, no. 724 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,120 But it's fun. It is. 725 00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:44,080 And also, I can't control it. So I mean, maybe I can a little 726 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,440 bit, but that's just my nature, Right? 727 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,800 Right. So then it's 1999. 728 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,800 Once again, Meg is profiled in Vanity Fair, and in the article 729 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,680 she makes it sound like they purposely don't appear together 730 00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,120 in public that much as a conscious choice to fly under 731 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,400 the radar. And she reveals that they don't 732 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,680 have a full time nanny for their son and they share parenting 733 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,120 responsibilities evenly, including driving him to school 734 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,280 every day. And that they have a very strict 735 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,160 rule that one parent is always home while the other one is 736 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:20,480 working, which is very normal. Yeah, this article talks about. 737 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,240 How? While Dennis is a successful 738 00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:27,800 actor, Meg is considered the star, and they point out that 739 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,200 many Hollywood marriages would. Tend to crumble with that role 740 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,280 reversal. And she says nothing About Us 741 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,560 has ever been based on ideas about each other's careers. 742 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,880 I've never once read a sentence about me. 743 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,960 I don't read reviews. I don't read articles. 744 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,720 I don't have any awareness of what my public persona is. 745 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,160 And in the interview, yeah, I know I like, almost don't buy 746 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,160 it. But she always says that She 747 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,760 goes, I don't read like she's like, I have no idea. 748 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,240 About anything which is good, like, she obviously must have a 749 00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:05,280 lot of self-control. Yeah, seems like it. 750 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,800 And in the interview she. Says that they're open to 751 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,840 working together again, but it doesn't sound like she's that 752 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,480 interested in it. She says It would be 753 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,360 interesting, but it'd have to be based for a film that has a good 754 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,360 message, that's for a good cause. 755 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,920 And she goes on to say like they're not. 756 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:23,760 I don't know. She's like, who would want to 757 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,240 even watch that? She's not excited about the idea 758 00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:28,160 at all. Interesting. 759 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,480 And I thought it this was interesting. 760 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,760 They asked Carrie Fisher about Dennis and Meg's relationship, 761 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,560 but they don't even do this anymore. 762 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,680 They don't ask the celebrity friends. 763 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,640 Like, what do you think? Yeah, the heck. 764 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,440 It just feels so human. Carrie says on Quaid's 765 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,480 confidence. He's really grounded, a real guy 766 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,160 and she really respects him. And then? 767 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,840 Carrie says that Dennis worries when Ryan's stardom might 768 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,560 endanger her. One weekend, Meg and I were 769 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,040 going to the Renaissance Fair, Fisher recalls. 770 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,840 Dennis said you can't go, you're too famous. 771 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,080 He's not daunted. He just notices and guides her 772 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,640 that way. OK, I feel like some. 773 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,200 Might find that a little controlling someone telling you 774 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,320 you can't go to something, but I can also see that being. 775 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,040 Protective. Well, I wonder if he really was 776 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:25,440 like, you can't go blocking the door, like literally saying she 777 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,200 can't go or just being like, you can't do that, You're too fat. 778 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,200 You know what I mean? Like, yeah. 779 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,560 Exactly. You can't in the same way that 780 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,400 you would say, like you can't go out in the snow wearing that. 781 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,880 Yeah, that's true, you know. I don't know how he said it. 782 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,280 Yeah, that's true. I mean. 783 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,120 Carrie is taking it as a positive thing, so. 784 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,080 And then in the article, Meg goes on to say the whole 785 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,920 situation with Dennis is so outrageous and fun. 786 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,840 It doesn't make any sense. If I had to write down about us 787 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,120 on paper, I would never put us together. 788 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,360 But I think that's part of the romance. 789 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,360 It's always the unexpected person that turns out to be the 790 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,240 ideal. He is the unexpected person in 791 00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:06,920 my life. When I first saw him, I went, Oh 792 00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:11,160 no, he's this huge individual with this really big persona. 793 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,520 And that scared me. I imagined I'd be with a Madison 794 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,840 Ave. type, or at least an East Coast type, but instead I'm out 795 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:23,600 riding horses and chasing bears. Interesting, yeah. 796 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,320 I wonder if that's an. Interesting. 797 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:28,720 There's a lot to think about. Yeah. 798 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,360 I wonder if that's an interesting. 799 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,920 Question for the audience, like about falling in love with 800 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,720 someone who's not your type. Yeah, yeah. 801 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,800 I mean, that's romantic. In itself, like the unlikely 802 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,880 pair I love. Like an odd couple. 803 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:50,360 I know in movies that's, again, one of the best tropes ever. 804 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,200 But I I also do think being in that relationship, you could in 805 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,880 your head be like, yeah, wait a second. 806 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,920 I thought I was going to be with somebody that was like this. 807 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:04,480 I always imagined myself with, I don't know writer in New York. 808 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:05,640 I don't know. I don't know what she meant by 809 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,400 do you think but. OK, this is my question for you 810 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,520 Kelly, because you had definitely have a type. 811 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:15,840 Do you think having a Mel? No, but like no but like but 812 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,520 like. I think for you having a type 813 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:19,760 has. I feel like some people might 814 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,280 think it's limiting, but I honestly maybe I do have a type 815 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:27,320 and like you can tell me, but I think not having a type. 816 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,480 In a way, was has been limiting for me, 'cause I'm like, I don't 817 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,600 know what I'm looking for. So then the pool is so much 818 00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,280 larger and there's nothing I'm focusing on. 819 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,120 But I feel like having a tight can actually be really helpful 820 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,040 because it helps you like breakdown. 821 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,960 OK. This is what I'm attracted to, 822 00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,800 you know? Does that make sense? 823 00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:47,240 Yeah. Is it? 824 00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:49,800 Yeah. I hope you're not intentional. 825 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,040 It's not intentional, No. No, But I do. 826 00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,600 Think it could be kind of. Because I do think when I was a 827 00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,280 teenager I was often daydreaming a lot about who I would date. 828 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:06,480 And but I will say, even though I think I have had a type, I do 829 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,240 think that their personalities have all been different. 830 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:14,760 So it's interesting. But yeah, I think knowing what 831 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:19,280 kind of person, I mean, he sounds like he's spiritual. 832 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,200 He's into the, like, deep conversations with her. 833 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,960 Like that's a type of person that she had before. 834 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,360 I mean, I think it's just having someone that shares values or is 835 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,280 interested in the same things as you is a good place to start. 836 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,320 But that doesn't mean they're going to have every single guy 837 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,960 or girl you date is going to have the same personality. 838 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,720 Yeah, because they're all, you know, I feel like because. 839 00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:40,640 They're all into baseball or something. 840 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,440 I don't know. Someone like talks. 841 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,640 About a type like, it is in a way like, in a superficial sense 842 00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:49,080 like. You don't really know somebody 843 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,520 until you get to know them, but I feel like having a tight I 844 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,840 wish I had more of it on the surface level. 845 00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,400 So that way it would be easier to identify an initial 846 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,720 attraction which can make you more excited like in the 847 00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:07,160 beginning I I think you kind of do. 848 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:12,880 I mean, I haven't met everybody that you've gone out with, but I 849 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:21,520 I think you do, but. So while they're in LA, like 850 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,440 most of the time, they also spend a lot of time on the ranch 851 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,080 and they actually have no staff. They're very down to earth. 852 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:32,720 Meg does most of the cooking and cleaning and Dennis chops wood 853 00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:38,600 and tends to the horses. And the writer of this article, 854 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:45,000 Michael Shannon Schneiderson. I don't know how to say it. 855 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:50,160 But he says it isn't the stuff of tabloid scandals, this 856 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,400 reading on the ranch and saddling up Jack for his first 857 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,320 cattle drive, and she and Quaid as she and Quaid just did. 858 00:48:57,720 --> 00:49:00,480 And in that sense, Ryan really is her screen persona, 859 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,200 apparently as clean living as she seems, unlike some other 860 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,120 contenders for the title of America's Sweetheart. 861 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,920 OK, that's kind of like shading people, but he says. 862 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,720 I know he says. It's not headline grabbing, but 863 00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:20,160 it is in its way subtle and complex, as real life is more 864 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,120 compelling than film. How do you keep a good marriage 865 00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,680 going and how, if you're an actress living that life, do you 866 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,880 find films about that to do? I actually don't think it's in 867 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,520 this article, but to that question of like how to keep a 868 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,240 marriage going at this in the same year. 869 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,280 Meg said in in an interview. There's so much mythology about 870 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,040 getting together and there's none about staying together. 871 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,080 And staying together is what's so hard. 872 00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,640 Like basically saying that, like, real life is so different 873 00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,720 from romantic comedies. Yeah, and then that. 874 00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:56,720 Same year she was cast in the 2000 thriller Proof of Life 875 00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:02,800 alongside Australian actor Russell Crowe and They. 876 00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:07,480 Would go on to film the movie in Ecuador in London in spring of 877 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,760 2000. So now it's 2000 and there are 878 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:17,840 tabloids of eyewitness reports seeing Meg Ryan and Russell 879 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:23,360 Crowe reportedly kissing all over London and even snuggling 880 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,280 up together at a David Bowie concert. 881 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,360 What? Jack, I hope you're not 882 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,720 listening. I'm sure he knows. 883 00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:34,840 He knows. I know what is happening. 884 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,960 So. Then in on June 29th, Megan 885 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,480 Dennis's public publicist releases a statement to People 886 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,920 magazine that the couple have decided to separate, which they 887 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,000 say is a mutual and amicable decision, though they didn't 888 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,360 comment on whether they would divorce, but later. 889 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,840 I think like the next day or something, Dennis filed for 890 00:50:54,840 --> 00:51:01,400 divorce and then in July photos come out of Megan. 891 00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,680 Russell leaving a party together, thrown by Tom Hanks, 892 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,720 which just validates the rumors that they're a couple and that 893 00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:09,480 she left Dennis. Tom Hanks. 894 00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:13,760 I'm sorry. Tom Cruise, Tom Cruise. 895 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:18,440 Oh, her call is dies in on this? No, but she is still. 896 00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:19,960 Really good friends with Tom Hanks. 897 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:24,440 I do have a feeling like he's a team, Meg, but OK, I need to 898 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:29,360 know, did they break up because she's with Russell or were they 899 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,600 always keep listening? Keep listening. 900 00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:36,640 OK, so of course Meg's mom is coming out of the woodwork, 901 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,120 Susan. She has to open her mouth and 902 00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:40,840 talk to the press. Yeah. 903 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,240 So around this time, she tells the New York Post, I began 904 00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:48,200 reading all these falsehoods and lies about me and the press 905 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,960 after she met Dennis Quaid. These are her lies constructed 906 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:56,280 by my daughter in order to enhance her image and certainly 907 00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,920 to protect Dennis Quaid. Everyone knows Meg as this 908 00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:01,800 wonderful enhancer. Image I. 909 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,400 Know. Like, seriously, I don't think 910 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,880 Meg is going out of her way to bash her mom. 911 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,200 She's just reacting to things that her mom is saying. 912 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,160 Yeah, and Susan goes. Everyone knows Mega's this 913 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,200 wonderful persona, the saving Angel for poor Dennis Quaid. 914 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,480 But I think it was a very handy thing for her to do, to present 915 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,400 herself as a saviour of this troubled soul who was a drug 916 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,360 addict. How would it have looked if it 917 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,400 came out that I had noticed this? 918 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,200 First she had to discredit me to preserve her image. 919 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,080 Trust me, I know what it's like to be lonely in a marriage. 920 00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,360 I don't know Russell Crowe from a Hole in the wall, but I see 921 00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,440 them together in pictures and I can tell there is something 922 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,000 there. I wish she finds the love she so 923 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,640 desperately wants from him and that she's finally happy. 924 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,880 Oh my God. What? 925 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,880 I'm a little confused about what her point is. 926 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,000 Her point is like, OK, so apparently her. 927 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,040 Falling out with Meg had to do with Dennis Quaid is what she's 928 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,280 saying, and she's saying it's because she told Meg that like. 929 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:10,640 Dennis was a drug addict, but he did struggle with addiction and 930 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,760 he got help. So her mom's. 931 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,760 Happy that she's with Russell Cronin? 932 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,480 Yeah, I guess so, I think. Her mom. 933 00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,640 It seems like her mom claims that Dennis is what got in the 934 00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:27,320 way of her and Meg, but I don't see what Meg did for her to. 935 00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:29,800 Meg. She was just supporting her 936 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,840 boyfriend and then husband. What's so wrong with that? 937 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,920 I don't know. I think what happened is her mom 938 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:40,240 openly dished in the tabloids things that she shouldn't have. 939 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,120 And then together as a couple, Meg and Dennis had cut her out. 940 00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:48,360 But so now Meg's mom seems happy that the marriage had failed. 941 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,160 She's that's not right. I know it's terrible this but 942 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,160 this article. Where they speak to Meg's mom 943 00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,280 goes on to mention that Meg is around the same age that her 944 00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,960 mother was when she walked out on their family. 945 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,600 And they try to draw a lot of parallels to make it seem almost 946 00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:10,160 like ironic that Meg could be guilty of walking out on her own 947 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,800 family like she's a nine year old son and no. 948 00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:17,600 And they also say, like, Dennis is desperately trying to save 949 00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,320 the marriage. So it's making it seem like 950 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,760 she's guilty of the same thing that, like, she resents about 951 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,640 her mom, you know, Which I think is not fair, but I wonder if 952 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,120 that's even true. Was he desperate to save the 953 00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,160 marriage? I don't. 954 00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,480 Think so, But we'll see. I think I don't. 955 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,160 I don't think he, like, wanted to get divorced, but I don't 956 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,720 think he was. Innocent in this whole 957 00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:41,600 situation. So then it's fall. 958 00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,840 Well, right before fall in August, Mega officially also 959 00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,880 filed for divorce, which I didn't know. 960 00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:52,040 People both fought filed maybe if they disagree about the terms 961 00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,800 or something. But so it's over. 962 00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:01,280 Sadly, it's September and there are concerns that the affair, 963 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:05,680 the alleged affair between. Meg and Russell Crowe will hurt 964 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,520 her good girl persona. And there's this really telling 965 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:14,880 Entertainment Weekly article. And they say that after a test 966 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,360 screening, Warner Brothers actually cut out a sex scene 967 00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,400 between Megan Russell because the audience felt that it made 968 00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,400 her character seem less sympathetic. 969 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,640 And then, not to spoil, but the film. 970 00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,360 That her and Russell starting together would go on to be a box 971 00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:34,520 office failure and the film's director Taylor Hackford said 972 00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:39,000 it's like the scandal had an incredibly and very destruct 973 00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,400 destructive effect on the release of the film in the US 974 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,360 because the real life story overpowered the film. 975 00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,000 Oh man, I think it's kind of not fair the. 976 00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,400 Film maybe wasn't going to be a success anyway. 977 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,120 You don't know that. I do. 978 00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,720 It's interesting. I want, I feel like people would 979 00:55:56,720 --> 00:56:00,800 want to see the movie more because of the scandal, right? 980 00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,440 That's what the entertainment. Weekly article was saying they 981 00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,320 were saying like people probably didn't even hear about this film 982 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,560 and now they have it on their radar because this is really 983 00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,200 juicy and they want to see do these actors really have 984 00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,600 chemistry? It's like a car crash. 985 00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,880 Reminds me of that. Don't worry, darling movie. 986 00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:23,840 Oh yeah, Olivia Wilde and Harry Styles, that whole thing. 987 00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,560 Jason Sudeikis, Did you see it? Yeah, I did. 988 00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:27,840 See it? I did. 989 00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,080 It worked on it. Wasn't enough to get me, wasn't 990 00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,760 enough to get me in the theaters, but. 991 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:40,080 Yeah, I mean, the thing about it is, though, that Meg had this 992 00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:44,320 very romantic, Good Girl America's sweetheart persona. 993 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:48,880 So like, the people who identify with her are not the people who 994 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:53,200 would be. On that's captivated by the idea 995 00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,840 of her having an affair, and they seemed like they had a 996 00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:57,960 great marriage. So it's really upsetting to 997 00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,240 think that, like, she would throw it away. 998 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,200 Yeah, for people. What happened? 999 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:09,760 Yeah, so. It's October and the film Living 1000 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,840 Proof comes out or it's it's about to come out and Megan 1001 00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,560 Russell, they don't openly talk about their relationship and 1002 00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,800 they really don't do a lot of press for the film. 1003 00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,440 But they're. Not shy about displaying their 1004 00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,400 PDA like they're very much a couple. 1005 00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:28,200 Photographed by paparazzi a lot. And she does an interview with W 1006 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,560 Magazine and she says so this is what it feels like to be the 1007 00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,400 scarlet woman. Oh, I'm having that experience 1008 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,280 now. And about the divorce, she says 1009 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,960 My marriage and the dissolution of my marriage, Well, the real 1010 00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,080 reasons for it will always be speculation, because I'll never 1011 00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,560 talk about what went down. And neither will Dennis. 1012 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,200 It dissolved before it became sport for the press, the public 1013 00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:54,280 and the press turned. It tuned in way after, so she's 1014 00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,400 basically saying like the marriage was already over, like 1015 00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:00,840 before her and Russell were even spotted together or had 1016 00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,160 anything. And about the rumoured affair, 1017 00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,480 she said the reasons why he and I broke up have nothing to do 1018 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,440 with another person. My marriage was broken, nobody 1019 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,680 else broke it, and the interviewer asks if maybe Dennis 1020 00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:17,720 had been unfaithful. In their marriage, and Meg says 1021 00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,440 we both behaved very honorably in our marriage and in our 1022 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,200 breakup. He never cheated on me. 1023 00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,520 I can't believe they're saying that about him. 1024 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:30,080 Oh wow. And they're like her and 1025 00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,240 Russell's relationship ended up fizzling out in December. 1026 00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,160 So it was a really short lived relationship. 1027 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,000 So we should cover that. I know, I know. 1028 00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,800 I do think they. Went on to stay friends 1029 00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,240 afterwards. Oh, which is nice. 1030 00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,360 So then. A 2001 in July and Dennis is 1031 00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,680 interviewed in West magazine and he comments on the divorce for 1032 00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,240 the first time. And he says when you break up, 1033 00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,040 your whole identity is shattered. 1034 00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,160 That's why it is like death. It is death Next to losing a 1035 00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,280 child, the breakup of a marriage is the hardest thing to go 1036 00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,440 through. It's kind of refreshing to hear 1037 00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,400 a man say that. It is refreshing, but how does 1038 00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,400 he even know what it feels like to lose a child? 1039 00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,680 He doesn't he? Hasn't experienced that. 1040 00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,320 I think he's assuming which I do think like so drastically 1041 00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,520 different. Obviously haven't experienced 1042 00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,000 that. But I think those, I don't think 1043 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,840 you can say that's even like next to it. 1044 00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:25,840 I think that's even like. Some people do do about losing 1045 00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:27,680 your spouse. Yeah, some people. 1046 00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:32,760 Do debate this like if it is more painful, and I think it's I 1047 00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,120 think it's obviously more painful if your spouse passes 1048 00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,440 away. But like I have heard people say 1049 00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,800 with a marriage like that also comes with a form of rejection. 1050 00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,880 Whereas if your spouse passed away, they they still died like 1051 00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,000 loving you. Or you can still be comforted in 1052 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,680 that and still feel like you're allowed to love them for the 1053 00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,520 rest of your life. But with the breakup of a 1054 00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,160 marriage like, it can be so devastating because you also 1055 00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,280 have to let go of the love that you have for them in a way you 1056 00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,320 know it. No, I do think it would be 1057 00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,360 excruciating. Mm hmm. 1058 01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,720 To to lose a. Spouse from To have a spouse 1059 01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,520 pass away, though, that takes away any possibility. 1060 01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:13,320 Like if you got divorced, As devastating as it is, and even 1061 01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,880 if there's literally no hope, you're going to get back 1062 01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,400 together. It's never impossible. 1063 01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,400 So you can be comforted with that. 1064 01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:25,760 But so he shares in the interview that he and Meg are 1065 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,720 friendly and that they share joint custody of their nine year 1066 01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,120 old son Jack. And he says, Meg and I still 1067 01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,480 talk almost every day. Our relationship is good, he 1068 01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,920 said. We were together for 13 years. 1069 01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,120 We have a child together. She knows me like nobody else. 1070 01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,640 Why not? You know, Meg and I are always 1071 01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,200 going to be together. We'll always be connected. 1072 01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,920 That's just the way it is. If anything we can be fuller 1073 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,320 people. Maybe we've become more of 1074 01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:54,360 ourselves, which is very Zen of him, like he's really thinking 1075 01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:58,600 about this and trying to see the positive and but you know she's. 1076 01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:03,800 He's not wallowing in pity. He's back on the dating scene. 1077 01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:08,640 He was linked for a while to two different women, including Andy 1078 01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:12,000 McDowell and then Shannon Mogler, so it seems like he's 1079 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:16,440 moving on dating again. And then, after the breakup, 1080 01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:20,080 Meg's acting career definitely pivots away from romantic 1081 01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,120 comedies. She starred in the dark 1082 01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:25,120 psychosexual thriller In The Cut, in which she plays a 1083 01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,960 frustrated poet and lecturer who becomes involved in a murder 1084 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:33,840 investigation and an affair with the officer in charge. 1085 01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:38,000 And apparently, I think Nicole Kidman was originally supposed 1086 01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:39,400 to be in it. And then she dropped out. 1087 01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,360 And then Meg, she really wanted to be in it. 1088 01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,600 So she even auditioned for it, which is something. 1089 01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:48,240 She wasn't really doing any more in her career, and it's a very 1090 01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,480 different role than audiences we're used to seeing her in. 1091 01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:55,280 And there's also a lot at this time written about her being 1092 01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:59,760 nude in the film, especially since she's almost or over 40, 1093 01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,640 which again, really sexist. But people are almost like we're 1094 01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:05,560 kind of mad at her. She's so different. 1095 01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,520 Really. Yeah, people don't like her 1096 01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:09,440 anymore because she's just so different from. 1097 01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:13,360 Who they knew her as in these romantic roles, and they're 1098 01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,760 like, now she's in this sexual movie and she had an affair. 1099 01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,920 She's very much getting a lot of Flack. 1100 01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:25,400 But in this article, she denies that she felt any pressure to 1101 01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:30,240 reinvent herself. The writer says that unlike many 1102 01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,040 actresses at her age, she has no shortage of parts. 1103 01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,480 On offer instead, she puts her willingness to take such an 1104 01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:40,240 apparent risk down to what she calls life experiences, she 1105 01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,200 says. I understand that contradictory 1106 01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,360 things exist in one person, she says a little. 1107 01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,760 And the writer of the article, Andrew Anthony, says the 1108 01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,080 defining life experience of her past five years was the end of 1109 01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:57,000 her nine year marriage to Quaid in 2000 and her simultaneous 1110 01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,400 affair with Crowe, her Co star, in Proof of Life. 1111 01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,320 What kind of internal contradiction that rots is not 1112 01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:08,480 something upon which she chooses to elucidate, but the radical 1113 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:12,720 departure from her on screen. Persona was there for everyone 1114 01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,040 to see. Her characters were not the type 1115 01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:18,400 to leave a husband and a son to travel around the world with an 1116 01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:23,480 Australian womanizer, and she says there's this play put on by 1117 01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,400 the zeitgeist and I've got a role. 1118 01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,160 There's this archetype that's been assigned to me. 1119 01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,880 Nothing I've constructed. But if you betrayed the 1120 01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,520 archetype, then you suffer the consequences. 1121 01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:38,000 I was really able to distinguish between that and me, and what 1122 01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,920 it's given me is the completely great freedom. 1123 01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,280 I really don't care. People can write whatever they 1124 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,080 want and say whatever they want and I don't care. 1125 01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:51,880 It's a bad situation, I know, but then later. 1126 01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,480 She would go on to say that she felt like this role in in the 1127 01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:59,000 film in the cut. Was what got people to turn on 1128 01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:00,880 her. I think all of this is like 1129 01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,320 really sexist. It's kind of like what could 1130 01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:08,120 have happened with Kristen Stewart but didn't but people 1131 01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,520 thought it would. People were so mad. 1132 01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,120 Yeah they did. They. 1133 01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,480 No, it's. But like in the long run I don't 1134 01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:19,000 think it did as much do. Well, she was still young when 1135 01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:23,280 that happened, that's true. She had time to bounce back. 1136 01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,760 But if Meg Gran was 40 when this is happening, wait, that's so 1137 01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:28,800 true. Hollywood kind of says you're 1138 01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:30,760 already over. That's true, she. 1139 01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,040 Already had that against her and then this happens. 1140 01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,720 It's like a nail in the coffin, Yeah, but Kristen. 1141 01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,240 Stewart was in her early 20s, that's true. 1142 01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,920 So she had couple years, but I mean, I feel like there's a good 1143 01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:46,440 amount of time people hated Kristen Stewart and would you're 1144 01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:50,200 right, Home Wrecker and all these horrible names. 1145 01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,840 And she was doing a lot of small movies and it kind of seemed 1146 01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,240 like she was like, over that's. True. 1147 01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,080 Then she came back. Yeah, Yeah. 1148 01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,360 Yeah, people are a lot harder on women when they cheat. 1149 01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:07,880 It's yeah, unfortunate. Do you think that that's true or 1150 01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,680 an exaggeration that she left her family and went off around 1151 01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:13,880 the world? I with some. 1152 01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:18,080 Man, I think. She obviously broke a social 1153 01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,680 norm of if you're getting divorced, I do think it is 1154 01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,280 probably better to not be like flaunting a new relationship. 1155 01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:30,480 But I don't think that she necessarily was cheating on him. 1156 01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:33,240 But I'll get to that if that does come up, actually. 1157 01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:36,480 But yeah, I think whatever she was guilty of is what? 1158 01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:39,320 Men do all the time and they really don't face the 1159 01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,560 repercussions that much. If anything, sometimes with 1160 01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:44,720 these guys we've covered, it's just expected that they're going 1161 01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:48,720 to cheat on their wife. It's and women are so accepting 1162 01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:53,720 and forgiving of it. So she really was like held to 1163 01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:57,720 this different standard. And she will later say though 1164 01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:01,840 that she felt like that role was what got people to really hate 1165 01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,560 her, she said. I think the feeling was. 1166 01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,600 The feeling with Hollywood was mutual. 1167 01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,000 I felt done when they felt done probably. 1168 01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,920 But yeah, and it almost it's interesting because I feel like 1169 01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,400 she purposely, almost as a form of rebellion took that role to 1170 01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,960 play into what like people thought of her. 1171 01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:21,440 But it just made people more mad. 1172 01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:28,120 So then we're in the mid 2000s, everyone's moving on. 1173 01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:32,880 It's 2004 and Dennis married. His real estate agent, Kimberly 1174 01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:36,880 Buffington, and they welcomed fraternal twins born via 1175 01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,200 surrogate in 2007, and they would be married for the next 1176 01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:43,360 several years. They divorced in 2016, and now 1177 01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,200 he's remarried to his fourth wife. 1178 01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,920 Wow and. Meg's career during this time 1179 01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:53,640 also, it really starts to lull, but she starts focusing on other 1180 01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:55,680 things. She's doing a lot of travelling. 1181 01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:01,920 And then in 2006, she adopted a baby girl from China. 1182 01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:06,680 Oh, I didn't know that, Yeah. And as a single mom, and then I 1183 01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:10,880 have clips from 2006 when she goes on Oprah. 1184 01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:12,520 So let's. Talk. 1185 01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,720 When you were dating Russell Crowe, there was lot you. 1186 01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:20,960 You took a lot of heat for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1187 01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:22,880 What was true and what wasn't true? 1188 01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:24,440 Well, my marriage was. A. 1189 01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:26,800 I. Think I have to talk about. 1190 01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:30,200 It in a way that's most respectful to my son. 1191 01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:34,480 It was a very unhealthy marriage and it was pretty much not a 1192 01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:36,720 happening marriage for for a very long time. 1193 01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:38,680 I probably should have left much earlier and I'm very. 1194 01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:42,920 I'm very sad, actually, that it all had to come apart in the way 1195 01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:46,600 that it seemed to have, you know, that it was never about 1196 01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:50,760 another. Man, it was only about what our, 1197 01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:54,040 my and Dennis's relationship just couldn't sustain, you know? 1198 01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,640 And it's I think once the tablets get a hold of three 1199 01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,880 celebrity names, just. Really in trouble? 1200 01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:00,360 No. Your name? 1201 01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:01,720 Goes on that. Board every week. 1202 01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:03,680 And there it is, baby. Yeah, that's right. 1203 01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,720 Do you think you took a public? Bullet for something that wasn't 1204 01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,320 really your fault, You do in what way? 1205 01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:12,400 Well, I think I did, and I think. 1206 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,240 I think, honestly, Russell did too, because he he. 1207 01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:16,800 He wasn't a home wrecker. He took a lot. 1208 01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:18,640 Of heat for that. And he had a lot of grace, 1209 01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:23,240 frankly, about not saying, not talking about things that he 1210 01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:24,680 knew were going on in my marriage. 1211 01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:28,080 And and I always, I'll be very grateful to him for a long time 1212 01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,359 for that, really. Yeah, yeah. 1213 01:08:30,359 --> 01:08:32,160 And he was. Around at a you know a divorce 1214 01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:37,240 is a possibly hard transition in your life and he was there for a 1215 01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:41,319 few months and and. And you know, I didn't. 1216 01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:43,040 Leave my marriage for Russell Crowe. 1217 01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:45,399 I left my marriage because your marriage. 1218 01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:47,120 Wasn't working. My marriage was not working. 1219 01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:48,920 Yeah. Interesting. 1220 01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:51,479 Oh gosh. I love Oprah. 1221 01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:55,840 Me too. It really she oh, Meg Ryan is 1222 01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,840 she still looks like her cute so I know. 1223 01:08:59,319 --> 01:09:01,000 And. That is interesting. 1224 01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,439 Like did you do you feel like you took a bullet for something 1225 01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:06,200 that wasn't your fault? That would be. 1226 01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:09,880 That does require a lot of self-control as a person. 1227 01:09:10,279 --> 01:09:14,479 If you're getting so much hate to not come out and be like, 1228 01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:18,680 well, you guys don't understand because right, we have barely. 1229 01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:20,920 Been together or something? Yeah. 1230 01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:25,520 If that is true. I do think if you still love 1231 01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:30,120 your ex-husband like Dennis, she wouldn't want to go out there 1232 01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,600 and be like, well, actually, like, he has problems. 1233 01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,160 Yeah, exactly. You know, we are, you know, she 1234 01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:37,120 doesn't want. It's like a tough situation to 1235 01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:40,240 be in because you don't want to slander someone that you do care 1236 01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:41,800 about. Yeah, that's. 1237 01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,240 True, but then your reputation is being tanked. 1238 01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:48,359 But I mean what you said before, like even when she was way 1239 01:09:48,359 --> 01:09:51,319 younger, that she never really cared about being famous. 1240 01:09:51,319 --> 01:09:54,000 Whatever. It's if this. 1241 01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,080 Is all true. It's pretty nice of her to just 1242 01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,640 take it and let her reputation get ruined. 1243 01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,360 Yeah, it's so interesting. Because in the same interview, 1244 01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:07,280 Oprah kind of says this to a lot of the people she interviewed. 1245 01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,440 Interviews that get divorced, but she's like, but you guys 1246 01:10:10,440 --> 01:10:14,320 looked like such a beautiful couple, like you're on the red 1247 01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:17,200 carpet, You had this amazing marriage. 1248 01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:20,880 Was that all real? And then Meg goes, well, we 1249 01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:24,240 weren't even really showing up to red carpets towards the end. 1250 01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,760 Together. We weren't even going to things 1251 01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,640 like as a couple. And it just takes me back to 1252 01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:33,840 that article in 1999, which is like the last full year of their 1253 01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,800 marriage. Where the article makes it sound 1254 01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:41,920 like they don't go to events together on purpose because they 1255 01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,680 want to fly under the radar, like they don't want a lot of 1256 01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:48,760 publicity, but actually it's because they couldn't stand each 1257 01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,400 other. Like, it's so funny. 1258 01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:56,040 Yeah. And it's like it maybe even both 1259 01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:58,440 things were true. Maybe they would always get in 1260 01:10:58,440 --> 01:11:00,080 bad moods when they did stuff like that. 1261 01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:03,040 So then they thought, oh, it's better if we just don't. 1262 01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,640 Yeah, let's just stay home. You can do your own. 1263 01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,800 Thing You can always put a positive spin on things, but 1264 01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:11,760 yeah. Relationships are so 1265 01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:13,640 complicated, I know, so speaking. 1266 01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:17,480 Of more on that Oprah interview, OK. 1267 01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:20,480 Here we go. Funk Thinkers is really 1268 01:11:20,480 --> 01:11:22,320 interesting. 'Cause I obviously I do this 1269 01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:25,360 show so I talk to women all the time who are in bad 1270 01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:29,080 relationships, or how I bet there's an estimate. 1271 01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:32,360 I don't know if anybody's ever done this of when it starts to 1272 01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:35,720 go wrong. You know it really can't be 1273 01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:39,440 repaired. How long do you stay after you 1274 01:11:39,440 --> 01:11:41,920 know it's really over? I think you want it, not. 1275 01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:43,880 To be over. Very much. 1276 01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,080 I mean you, but I hear people. Like some, for some people it's 1277 01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,880 like 7 years. It's like I knew seven years 1278 01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:50,000 ago. It wasn't five years. 1279 01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:51,280 You. Knew five years, yeah. 1280 01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,680 Easily, really. And you have. 1281 01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:55,080 Children, you know, people have children. 1282 01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:58,000 There's a lot of, there's this whole thing that you need to 1283 01:11:58,000 --> 01:11:59,880 sustain. There's a lot of even if your 1284 01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:02,720 marriage isn't good, and even if you need. 1285 01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:04,920 To get out you. Still feel guilty somehow? 1286 01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:09,320 Which, yeah, yeah, you know. Maybe that's a female thing. 1287 01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:10,160 I'm not. I don't know. 1288 01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:13,480 But but but it's crazy how you have to talk yourself into 1289 01:12:13,480 --> 01:12:15,960 protecting yourself. And so there are times, and I 1290 01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:18,880 think every woman's life where she really does need to get out 1291 01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:22,560 and expand and do all those things, get all those things 1292 01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:26,600 that make her her the best version of herself, OK? 1293 01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:32,760 Oh my gosh. She knew for five years. 1294 01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,200 Oh, that's tough. Wow. 1295 01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:39,800 I feel like that would be really hard to hear. 1296 01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:42,960 If you were the other person or if you were their child, that 1297 01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,840 would be tough. But that is, I do think, like to 1298 01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:49,920 me, their marriage just seems like so many other married 1299 01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:53,680 couples where they are kind of unhappy and the romance has died 1300 01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:56,120 and it's unfortunate and it's sad. 1301 01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,280 If they were so spiritual, it's like you would think. 1302 01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:01,760 That would be something that they'd be able to be more 1303 01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,960 connected about in a way, but I just think it didn't work. 1304 01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,960 It's scary to talk about like, I don't want that to happen to me. 1305 01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,360 I know it's. Like, at one point they were 1306 01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:16,320 hiring marching bands and pilots to do these big gestures. 1307 01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:20,600 He was putting his arm around her in a on a hot summer night 1308 01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,040 at the bar, and one thing led to another. 1309 01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:28,800 Like what happens? I know I. 1310 01:13:29,480 --> 01:13:32,360 I mean, I feel like there's probably so much we don't know. 1311 01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:39,040 And also, I'm not married, so I'm not a marriage expert. 1312 01:13:39,480 --> 01:13:42,960 But just what she said about like, expanding, still growing. 1313 01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,160 I do think when you're in a relationship, it is still 1314 01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:48,760 important to make sure you're still doing that good. 1315 01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:53,320 To do things on your own and you don't have to feel like 1316 01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,000 tethered. It shouldn't feel that way, I 1317 01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:56,240 don't think. I don't know. 1318 01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:59,080 I feel like that happens a lot in relationships, but this is 1319 01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,000 so. Bad I feel like for me to 1320 01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,680 speculate, but I almost wonder if. 1321 01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,320 You know how they talked a lot about how they didn't have a 1322 01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:09,000 staff at their ranch and they did all the chores? 1323 01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,120 And obviously that's good because they were very 1324 01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,480 traditional in that way and down to earth. 1325 01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:16,360 But I almost wonder if they, like, outsource some of the more 1326 01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:19,120 mundane things. Do you guys think then a couple 1327 01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:22,080 would have more time to, like, spend with each other to work on 1328 01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:23,800 the romance? You know what I mean? 1329 01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:31,320 Like, OK, OK, it seems like the richest people have the most 1330 01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:34,280 relationship. Issues sometimes, actually. 1331 01:14:34,440 --> 01:14:37,320 I don't think it would make a difference, I agree. 1332 01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:39,640 You sometimes, you know, I agree. 1333 01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:43,000 You sometimes think those household chores are the things 1334 01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:44,880 that are causing all this stress. 1335 01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:48,000 But you're right. It's like you could have all the 1336 01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:51,160 free time in the world and still not really be getting along. 1337 01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:57,280 Yeah, something to think about. Anyways, it's 2008 and Meg does 1338 01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,040 an interview with in style and she opens up more about the 1339 01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:03,080 divorce. She says it was a great story, 1340 01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:06,880 but what wasn't in the story was the reality of my marriage for 1341 01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:09,920 nine years. Dennis was not faithful to me 1342 01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:12,600 for a long time and that was very painful. 1343 01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:16,040 I found out more about that once I got divorced. 1344 01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:18,080 Yeah, isn't that interesting because she said. 1345 01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,400 She said before he never cheated on me. 1346 01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:23,280 I can't believe people would even say that. 1347 01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:27,440 And now she's saying years later that he did cheat on her. 1348 01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:32,360 What? I mean, I. 1349 01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:34,120 Believe it. Probably. 1350 01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:37,560 I mean, he was a famous actor. It happens all. 1351 01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:39,040 It literally happens all the time. 1352 01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,320 It's. Crazy like so shocked the wife 1353 01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:43,040 cheated. The The husbands do usually 1354 01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,200 cheat in a lot of these stories that we cover. 1355 01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:50,800 He's a big celebrity. So, but it's I think the 1356 01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,240 shocking part is that she had previously. 1357 01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:56,960 Was he was she protecting him or like did she just find out 1358 01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:00,600 later? I wonder how she found out. 1359 01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:07,840 I don't know. Oh, so then Dennis is not happy 1360 01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:11,160 that she said this though. And he goes to the Daily News 1361 01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:15,320 and he says it was eight years ago and I find it unbelievable 1362 01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:19,880 that Meg continues publicly. To rehash and rewrite the story 1363 01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:23,080 of our relationship. Also, I find it regrettable that 1364 01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:27,200 our son Jack has to be reminded in a public way of the turmoil 1365 01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:29,600 and pain that every child feels in a divorce. 1366 01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:34,200 I myself moved on years ago and am fortunate to have a happy, 1367 01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:37,360 beautiful family. It was eight years ago. 1368 01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:38,640 Move on. I hate. 1369 01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:42,160 That's like, really? Belittling something, I know, 1370 01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:47,200 Yeah, it's tough because he is using some good weapons here. 1371 01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,600 Like, yeah, you're right. You know, that's upsetting for 1372 01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:51,480 Jack, but yeah, that is a good weapon. 1373 01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:56,680 On like, yeah, her reputation was tanked because people said 1374 01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,000 she was cheating. And then, if it is true that you 1375 01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,200 were too, I think she has the right to set the record straight 1376 01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,080 100. Percent like, how dare you let 1377 01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:09,120 her take the fall for this? Yeah, if you were cheating on 1378 01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:13,720 her. I know. 1379 01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:15,720 I. Like I do. 1380 01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:19,000 That is a good point about Jack. I can see as a parent being 1381 01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:20,360 like, why are you bringing this up? 1382 01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:24,320 But he can't be that obtuse to be like, it's like, it's like, 1383 01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:26,800 you know, this has followed her around for eight years now. 1384 01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:28,560 Even him saying it was eight years ago. 1385 01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,400 Yeah, that's eight years that her life has been changed since 1386 01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:34,040 this happened. It makes sense that after all 1387 01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:38,040 this time, she's going to set the record straight, right? 1388 01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:44,080 Oh no, It's crazy when, like, later on, it gets messy. 1389 01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,720 I know. Oh man, I'm sure like that 1390 01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:49,240 might. Come hand in hand with maybe 1391 01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:53,280 like other disagreements that they might have when it comes to 1392 01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:57,080 parenting, they also live far. It's kind of somewhere to 1393 01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:59,520 marriage story. Like I think she went to New 1394 01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:02,080 York. He's spending a lot of time in 1395 01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:05,360 LA and Montana. I bet there was like strife 1396 01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:09,240 arguments that arise in that situation. 1397 01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:13,640 She she goes on to say in this article that Russell Crowe as 1398 01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:16,040 she said in the Oprah interview, wasn't the reason for the 1399 01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:19,480 divorce and she said I think he took a big hit but Russell 1400 01:18:19,480 --> 01:18:22,040 didn't break up the marriage. He was definitely there at the 1401 01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:24,720 end, but it wasn't his fault. I was a mess. 1402 01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:28,160 I hurt him too at the end. I couldn't be in another long 1403 01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:30,320 relationship. It wasn't the time for that, so 1404 01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:36,400 I got out, so maybe we can. Cover them someday. 1405 01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:40,000 But, she goes on to say in the interview, I am not a victim. 1406 01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:43,080 My time as a scarlet woman was really interesting. 1407 01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:46,680 As painful as it was, it was also incredibly liberating. 1408 01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,320 I didn't have to care about what people thought, and it was 1409 01:18:49,440 --> 01:18:53,960 always really so curious to me. It's an old fashioned idea, so 1410 01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,720 anachronistic I understood it was a conflict. 1411 01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,640 Meant about being lovable. And it felt nice, you know? 1412 01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:03,280 But it also felt after time, like ideas were being projected 1413 01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:05,320 onto me that had nothing to do with me. 1414 01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:08,400 The girl next door to what? Interesting, I know. 1415 01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:11,840 It almost seems like she did feel like trapped in a way by 1416 01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,200 her persona and like being lovable. 1417 01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:18,720 And I think there's a part of her that did kind of enjoy 1418 01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:20,720 breaking out of that. Yeah. 1419 01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:23,280 Wow. Then in 2011, she. 1420 01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:26,600 Started dating musician John Mellencamp and they were off and 1421 01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:30,520 on for a while and she later got engaged to him. 1422 01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:34,360 But they broke up in 2019. Why do I feel like I've heard of 1423 01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:36,920 him? Yeah, I do too. 1424 01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:39,320 Mellencamp. He does the song. 1425 01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:42,520 Jack and Diane. Yeah, that's him. 1426 01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,160 It's from the 80s. Oh, you're right. 1427 01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:47,480 The. 80s guy. Yeah, you're right. 1428 01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:48,760 OK. Yeah. 1429 01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,080 Yeah, yeah, we know him. Yeah. 1430 01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:56,320 Jack and Diane, so yeah. Then in 2015, Meg made her 1431 01:19:56,320 --> 01:20:00,640 directorial debut with the drama film Ithaca, in which she also 1432 01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,120 stars opposite, once again, Tom Hanks. 1433 01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:09,280 I think they must be super close and her son Jack and Jack. 1434 01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:12,560 So it's a coming of age drama about a teenage boy played by 1435 01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:16,320 Jack and his newlywed, widowed mother, played by. 1436 01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:21,360 Meg and it's based on the book of the same name. 1437 01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:24,280 And in an interview, Meg said that she first read the book 1438 01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:27,800 during her divorce from Dennis and that she really connected 1439 01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:31,640 with the story because she was very concerned about her own 1440 01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:33,600 divorce and how that would affect Jack. 1441 01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:37,880 And she said that she related to the book because the grown-ups 1442 01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:40,200 in the community didn't necessarily have all the 1443 01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:44,160 answers, but they were always there for the there for the 1444 01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:47,120 transitions this young man had to make. 1445 01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:50,880 And I think she was very concerned as a mother, like she 1446 01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:54,680 knew from her own parents experience that divorce really 1447 01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:58,960 affects the child and was really worried about that with Jack. 1448 01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:01,560 That's interesting. And then Jack. 1449 01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:07,600 Yeah, he's now a famous actor. In 2016, he went on a podcast at 1450 01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:11,680 23 years old, and he says it's one of those weird ages for your 1451 01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:14,640 parents to get divorced. So this was looking back on when 1452 01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:18,120 he was nine or eight years old, he said you're old enough to 1453 01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:21,280 know what's going on, but young enough to be kind of naive about 1454 01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:22,920 it. It's a whole deal. 1455 01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:25,760 It's hard to ignore when you're at a grocery store and you're 1456 01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:28,520 checking out and you look at magazines and there's a photo of 1457 01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:31,520 them with a little paper rip graphic between them. 1458 01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:34,440 It's a hard deal. Wow, I know. 1459 01:21:34,440 --> 01:21:37,360 That's sad. That's crazy to like, actually 1460 01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:41,640 have to see that. Your two parents like your mom 1461 01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:44,800 and your dad? I feel like I I can't even 1462 01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:46,640 imagine I. Cannot imagine I know. 1463 01:21:48,440 --> 01:21:50,880 Put myself. In his shoes, that's crazy, 1464 01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,640 because I feel like it's already such a big deal if you're a kid 1465 01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:55,520 and then to like, see reminders of it. 1466 01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:59,120 I wonder if it almost like makes you like, desensitized to it or 1467 01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,360 something. I feel like it. 1468 01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:05,120 Would make me so nervous though. I know like whatever my parents 1469 01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:07,240 are telling me. And then if you see something 1470 01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:09,080 different written in the magazine. 1471 01:22:10,120 --> 01:22:11,920 I might be scared. Like, what's the truth? 1472 01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,200 Yeah, you're like, can I even trust my parents? 1473 01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:17,320 So after the breakup, like I said, Meg's career seemingly 1474 01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:21,480 never really was the same again. She was in significantly less 1475 01:22:21,480 --> 01:22:24,680 movies. And then after 2015, she didn't 1476 01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:28,200 work at all until this past year, Like, she didn't do any 1477 01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:32,720 acting at all. And in October of this year, 1478 01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:36,240 2023, she said, I took a giant break because I felt like there 1479 01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:40,000 were just so many other parts of my experience as a human being I 1480 01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,560 wanted to develop. It's nice to think of it as a 1481 01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:46,040 job and not a lifestyle and that is a great way of navigating it 1482 01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:48,360 for me. But she also just like, admit so 1483 01:22:48,440 --> 01:22:51,880 she also turned 40 and there were just like less roles that 1484 01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:55,160 she was interested in that were available to her and probably 1485 01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:56,400 the role she. Did get offered. 1486 01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:58,000 She wasn't interested in. Yeah. 1487 01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:01,760 And just at this point, she's already achieved a lot of 1488 01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:03,320 success. I feel like she doesn't really 1489 01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:06,720 care about, like chasing anything else. 1490 01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,480 She's like very much about looking inward than chasing 1491 01:23:09,480 --> 01:23:13,720 anything outward, I mean. If I had the money, I would love 1492 01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:20,080 to pursue random things, yeah. I never think it's that. 1493 01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,120 Weird when actors stop acting. I know. 1494 01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:25,120 Yeah, it's a lot of work. If you could just chill, why 1495 01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:26,560 wouldn't you? Yeah, exactly. 1496 01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:29,360 She has hobbies. Yeah, you can travel. 1497 01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:31,640 She still gets money. She's fine. 1498 01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:32,680 Yeah. Yeah. 1499 01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:35,240 I don't blame her. It's kind of it's almost nice. 1500 01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:36,840 It's like, OK, now I have an excuse. 1501 01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:39,480 Yeah. But the last thing I have is in 1502 01:23:39,480 --> 01:23:44,560 2018 Dennis was on Andy Cohen's show and Andy asked what his 1503 01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:47,400 relationship with Meg was like and he said we're friendly. 1504 01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:50,280 Yeah we are. Obviously we did a really good 1505 01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:56,040 job Co parenting because look at the result and that's nice. 1506 01:23:56,040 --> 01:24:00,000 I think they are. Friendly, but yeah, that is when 1507 01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,680 Meg Ryan met Dennis Quaid. Wow. 1508 01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:09,200 I I feel like this could be a movie. 1509 01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:11,880 I mean, it's like, yeah, a lot more. 1510 01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:14,640 I I don't know. I mean. 1511 01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:17,040 It's not going to have that happy they end up together 1512 01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:22,000 ending, but it's nice that it seems like now they're OK with 1513 01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:27,600 each other. Happy, but it doesn't seem like 1514 01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:29,040 they're like friends or anything. 1515 01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:33,280 But I think they're fine with each other, yeah, yeah. 1516 01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:36,600 Isn't she in a romantic comedy that's coming out this year? 1517 01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:40,160 Yeah, So that's like the first role she's done. 1518 01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:43,080 I was at reading about it actually seemed pretty good, but 1519 01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:44,560 I totally forget the plot now. I know. 1520 01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,320 I kind of want to see it. We should see it. 1521 01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:51,280 We should, yeah. But yeah, definitely not, you 1522 01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:53,640 know, when Harry Met Sally in real life. 1523 01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:57,000 And I guess that's. Expected you. 1524 01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:59,680 Can't. I expect her to literally be 1525 01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:00,920 those characters. I know. 1526 01:25:02,440 --> 01:25:06,920 I think she is really cute and like lovable and stuff. 1527 01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:12,040 But yeah, she's definitely a little bit more guarded and I 1528 01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:13,880 don't know, that's crazy, I feel like. 1529 01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:17,080 I kind of, when I was younger, missed the whole thing. 1530 01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:23,480 Those years of her being like a scarlet letter woman, I that's 1531 01:25:23,480 --> 01:25:26,400 the thing. I'm I'm guessing people who were 1532 01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:31,520 older than us at that time, like they remember it better, but it 1533 01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:33,720 seems like society has moved on from it now. 1534 01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:35,520 Yeah, I think so. I don't. 1535 01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:40,280 I never hit people talking about that when she comes up, so. 1536 01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:44,040 Wow. Well, that is really 1537 01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:46,640 interesting. I didn't know any of that. 1538 01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:50,360 So thank you, Mel. Yeah, thanks for listening. 1539 01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,720 I can't wait to see pictures of her and Dennis. 1540 01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:56,040 Yeah, they had. For the week that we promote 1541 01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:59,320 this, They had such a cute look like, I feel like people. 1542 01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:01,880 There's this one time they were on the red carpet and they both 1543 01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:05,560 wore matching pantsuits. Iconic. 1544 01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:09,280 I can't wait to look at pictures of them. 1545 01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:13,800 Oh my gosh. Well Mel, do you want to tease 1546 01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:17,240 our bonus episode that will be on Patreon next week? 1547 01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:21,120 Yes, next week. It will be a little bit more 1548 01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:26,920 recent and we're going to explore a very short lived 1549 01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:31,440 engagement that should be a drink as well, a short 1550 01:26:31,440 --> 01:26:35,160 engagement, a broken engagement, broken engagement. 1551 01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:37,440 Yes, I'll add that to the, I'm going to add that. 1552 01:26:37,440 --> 01:26:38,720 Yep. And. 1553 01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:43,200 It was. I guess people thought this was 1554 01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:46,320 an unlikely pairing at the time they did. 1555 01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:48,800 An odd couple can't. Wait. 1556 01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:53,720 And as always, we have bonus episodes every other week. 1557 01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:55,400 I'm sure you can see them in the feed. 1558 01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:59,280 You can subscribe just for a little bit. 1559 01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:01,320 Listen to them all. You don't have to stay forever. 1560 01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:03,120 Of course, we would love it if you stay forever. 1561 01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:08,800 And we have polls now on our Patreon too. 1562 01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:13,240 And yeah, if you if you enjoy this podcast, if you've been 1563 01:27:13,240 --> 01:27:16,120 listening for a while, we would super appreciate it if you give 1564 01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:20,440 us a review. Feel weird asking for that but. 1565 01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:23,440 They say you. Should. 1566 01:27:23,440 --> 01:27:26,760 But All in all thank you Mel. This was an awesome episode. 1567 01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:29,320 Thank you guys, and we'll get back together next week. 1568 01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:35,080 Get back together. Next week, woo Hoo.