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Hey guys, this is Mel. 
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Hope you enjoy the nice thing 

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about this episode. 
So this is about Amy Robach and 

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TJ Holmes. 
The nice thing is they actually 

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just started a podcast together,
so. 

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What? 
If someone goes searching for 

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their podcast, this episode 
might come up. 

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That's true. 
So that if you're new. 

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Here. 
Yeah, this is not their podcast,

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but it's a podcast about them. 
But didn't you ask people a poll

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now? 
I did. 

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But before we record, do you 
think an extramarital affair in 

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the workplace warrants firing? 
And, you know, I was kind of 

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surprised by this. 
I didn't know how you guys would

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respond. 21% of you said yes, 
but 79, the majority said no, 

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that you think it doesn't. 
Our listener Jude said only yes 

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if it interferes with their 
work, which it usually does. 

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Also, it's tacky, so it should 
be illegal and our listener 

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Megan said I voted no, but if 
your job was entirely about 

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morality, like a religious 
figure, likely yes, you should 

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be removed from that position. 
That's true. 

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So is the implication here that 
the extramarital affair is with 

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a Co worker? 
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Two people. 
At a job, it's tough because 

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that is that is their personal 
life and yeah, and like. 

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Not quite anyone's business, 
even though it did happen within

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work. 
But it does. 

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It is kind of distracting and it
does cause a lot of commotion, 

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so. 
I get. 

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Well, what if it doesn't? 
Yeah. 

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But people just found out like 
is that is people finding out 

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the commotion because I mean, I 
think affairs are wrong, but I 

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am surprised when it happens, 
even though, yeah, I do think 

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it's wrong to do A lot of people
do a lot of bad things in their 

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personal life and they don't get
fired for it. 

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So I don't know, but what do you
think? 

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Yeah, well, even the rumour was 
Patrick Dempsey. 

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When he got fired from Grey's 
Anatomy, it was because he was 

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having an affair. 
He was married for like 20 years

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or something, that he was having
an affair with someone behind 

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the scenes. 
And Shonda Rhimes had no 

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tolerance for it and caught him.
Loose. 

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I was surprised by that too, 
because it's like, wow, here's a

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character who was pivotal to the
show, like a main character on 

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the show for many years. 
Writing him off will have 

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significant consequences, and 
she just did it like it was 

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nothing. 
Yeah, I mean, like, I don't 

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know. 
I know, I feel. 

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Like someone said, we were wishy
washy ones and I feel like I am 

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being that way about this. 
What are you going to say? 

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I don't. 
I guess if someone's in a 

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leadership position, it does 
really undermine their authority

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if suddenly everybody in the 
office is gossiping about this 

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very scandalous affair that has 
been revealed. 

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And if someone is in a leader 
position cheating with a 

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subordinate, that's pretty bad. 
That's not the case. 

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Should they both be fired 
though? 

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Oh, I don't know. 
But in this case, in this story 

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they were telling today, they 
were both married, right? 

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They were both married, both 
equals in their positions at 

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work. 
But another theme of this 

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episode is, was it really an 
affair? 

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I mean, that's the way the 
mainstream media has dubbed 

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this. 
And so a lot of the information 

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I'm taking is from their podcast
and what they said in in in 

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their own words, but I don't 
know if I've entirely believed 

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them at the same time. 
So we'll go through it together 

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and we'll try to make sense of 
it before we get into it. 

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My 3 words that I would use to 
describe this couple would be 

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naive, flirty and. 
Bold, naive, flirty, and bold. 

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Wow, when you say those two 
together does paint a picture, 

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yeah. 
Before the scandal, these two, 

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they really before and after, 
they really do seem to make each

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other laugh a lot, like they do 
seem very in love. 

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That's nice. 
Yeah, so who are they? 

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TJ Holmes. 
He was born August 19th, 1977. 

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His real name is Lutellius 
Junior and he started going by 

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TJ when he started his 
professional career. 

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He is a Leo. 
He studied Broadcast journalism 

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at the University of Arkansas, 
and then in his initial years 

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after graduating, he worked as a
reporter and a weekend anchor in

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Missouri and then Arkansas 
before moving to San Francisco, 

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where he anchored the 5:00 PM 
Evening News for NBC Bay News. 

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And in the 2000s, he jumped 
around networks a lot with many 

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different opportunities to cover
very significant historical 

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events. 
He worked at CNNBETMSNBC, then 

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back to CNN, and then in 2014 he
was hired at ABC News and that 

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is where he met Amy, the other 
main character of this story. 

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But before meeting Amy, he had 
been married twice. 

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In 2000, at 23 years old, he 
married his first wife, a fellow

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news anchor named Amy Fearson, 
so another Amy. 

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And they had two children, a 
daughter named Brianna and a son

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Jayden, and they divorced in 
2007. 

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And then he got remarried in 
2010 to an attorney named 

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Marilee Phoebig, and they had a 
daughter together named Sabine 

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in 2013. 
And so keep that in mind. 

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So he's married. 
So he was married to her when he

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met the second Amy. 
Yeah, so married to her and they

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have a little daughter together.
A1 year old when he meets the 

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second Amy. 
All right. 

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I will have to stop the episode 
right there. 

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