1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:08,039 Are you lonesome tonight? Do you miss me tonight? 2 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:17,280 Are you sorry we drifted apart? Does your man? 3 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,200 Hi, guys. Welcome to significant lovers. 4 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,080 Hello. Hello. 5 00:00:23,080 --> 00:00:25,560 We are your host. My name is Mel. 6 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,760 And I'm Kel. And I'm Caitlin, and in case 7 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:34,440 this is your first time tuning in, this is a true love podcast, 8 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,840 not a true crime podcast. We dissect and talk about and 9 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:43,200 explore couples and relationships from history to 10 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,120 today. And we're cousins. 11 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,720 They're sisters and I'm their cousin Yes and yeah. 12 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,120 Thanks for joining us today for free. 13 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,040 I forgot if this is on the Patreon or not. 14 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,120 Public episode, public episodes. So if this is your first 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,040 episode, thank you. If you've been listening for a 16 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,760 while, thanks for coming back. Today we're talking about a 17 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:13,080 person that we've already talked about three times before, Taylor 18 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:18,600 Swift, one of the most famous people in the whole world, 2024 19 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:24,840 Time magazine Person of the year, and her first relationship 20 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,760 that I think people ever talked about, her first like famous 21 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,640 relationship, which was with Joe Jonas of the Jonas Brothers. 22 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,560 Yeah, I would say that's. True. 23 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,960 And I guess I'll get into it later, but I feel like this 24 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,560 started the reputation she had that she, like, only wrote about 25 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,440 her real life relationships and had so many relationships. 26 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,400 Yeah, it was boy crazy. And I don't know. 27 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,480 Definitely. And that's like a big part of it 28 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,120 that I want to talk about as it goes on because I feel like 29 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,960 people they talk about Taylor Swift, like they either say 30 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,480 like, oh, she only writes about boys or she's boy crazy or she 31 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,080 dates a ton of celebrities. But then people are like, well, 32 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,720 like that's misogynistic to say that blah, blah, blah. 33 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:07,120 Like you wouldn't say that about anyone else. 34 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,360 But like this was a pretty significant and the way that she 35 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,920 kind of approached this specific relationship was very, I think 36 00:02:13,920 --> 00:02:15,840 purposeful and. Calculated. 37 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,920 A little bit maybe, so it'll be fun to talk about. 38 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:25,320 Yeah, my friend Emily, I saw last week, she has a Joe Jonas 39 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:29,080 keychain on her keys. And I said, Oh my gosh, we're 40 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,400 doing episode about him soon. So I'm like, if you're 41 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:37,200 listening, this is for you. And we haven't covered Joe Jonas 42 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,200 before, but we talked about his brother Nick Jonas on the 43 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:44,920 podcast True and Nick in Miley. Was that around the same time? 44 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,280 Yeah. You know what? 45 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,200 Actually, he was dating Selena Gomez at the same time because 46 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,600 they. Selena Gomez and Taylor Swift 47 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:56,920 claimed that they first became friends from hanging out like 48 00:02:56,920 --> 00:02:59,240 backstage at the Jonas Brothers concert. 49 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:03,720 So that's how they became close is because they both were dating 50 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,560 like one of the brothers, but Nick was going like back and 51 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,520 forth between Selena and Miley. I remember that. 52 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,960 But before we get into the episode, I want to thank some of 53 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:18,120 our recent recent patrons. Story North by Claro, Marielle, 54 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:23,800 Melissa, Trev, Trev, PPP or Trevip. 55 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,320 Thank you guys. Thank you. 56 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:27,960 Thank. You. 57 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:28,960 Thank you. Thank you. 58 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:30,000 Very nice. Yep. 59 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:34,320 And then so for our trivia segment to start the episode. 60 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,880 So we're going to talk about in this episode like breakup songs. 61 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,120 OK, right. So I'm. 62 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,560 Gonna do horribly. I'm gonna read you guys some 63 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,800 lyrics. Oh no, that involve couples 64 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:50,080 we've discussed on the podcast before breakup lyrics and you 65 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,760 have to tell me who they're from. 66 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,320 And the singer? Yeah, the singer, OK, but I 67 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,520 actually got 6 and I don't know if that's too many, but I didn't 68 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,080 know how easy or hard this was going to be. 69 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,320 Some I think are easy. I think it'll be, yeah, OK, just 70 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,600 go. OK, this one we found each 71 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,160 other. I helped you out of a broken 72 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,280 place. You gave me comfort, but falling 73 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,120 for you was my mistake. John Mayer. 74 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:15,200 No. Oh. 75 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,240 Katy Perry. No. 76 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,519 What I don't recognize this we. Neither we. 77 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,080 Found. Well, that's not how it goes. 78 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,680 Found each. No, that's still not. 79 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,240 We found each other. Sing it again. 80 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,360 I don't really know the melody. OK, sing the melody, she said. 81 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,520 I don't know the melody. Sing. 82 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,400 What were you humming? Whatever you're humming. 83 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:41,240 I know the. Chorus. 84 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:48,960 OK, sing a chorus. Literally Taylor Swift. 85 00:04:49,280 --> 00:04:51,480 No. OK, that's three. 86 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:53,760 That's three. I don't know. 87 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:54,800 I. Didn't give up. 88 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,440 Carly Simon. OK, James Taylor. 89 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:03,640 One more guess, I want to say John. 90 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,840 Legend, but we never covered. It. 91 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:13,480 I give up. It's the weekend from the song 92 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,200 Call Out My Name. I've, oh, call out my name. 93 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,280 OK, yeah, I forgot we you guys covered them. 94 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,360 OK, here's the next one. This one I thought was easy. 95 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,120 I have to not sing this one in the melody. 96 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:27,960 OK. But if I'm embarrassing me, I'm 97 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,080 embarrassing you, and don't you dare say it isn't true. 98 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:32,240 Taylor Swift? Eminem. 99 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,760 Yes. Oh yeah, wait, how's it? 100 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:38,360 Going but it's I'm embarrassing me, I'm embarrassing you and 101 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,920 don't you dare say it isn't true as I think it's as long as the 102 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,480 track is getting airway, I'm getting sued or something. 103 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,360 That's an underrated. One one point. 104 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,000 Cal OK, still like to leave the party and go home, babe. 105 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,040 And don't you know, babe? I'd rather sit here on my own 106 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,720 and be alone. Babe, no. 107 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,200 Are any of these hairs swept? I swear to God. 108 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,080 Just hang on. I know. 109 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,000 I thought that was sounds very familiar. 110 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,360 Sounds very. Familiar to like to leave the 111 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,200 party and go home, babe. And don't you know babe? 112 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,840 I'd rather sit here on my own and be alone, babe. 113 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,480 John Mayer, yeah. That's the song I Still Feel 114 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,400 Like You're Man by John Mayer. OK, we're time 11. 115 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,320 She puts the hurt in hurt. She puts the Y in try. 116 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,560 Yeah. That sounds like a country 117 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,600 lyric. She puts the SOB in. 118 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,640 Sober, she puts. The Hangover. 119 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,360 That's Blake Shellin about Miranda Lambert. 120 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,480 The song is She's got away with Words. 121 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,480 OK, I Got hooked. You're My heroine. 122 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,560 Be my overdose. I need a therapist. 123 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,440 Wanna go right? No, no, he. 124 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,840 We don't know. Keep breaking my heart like I 125 00:06:52,840 --> 00:06:55,680 knew you would, baby. I'm a rebel, but I'll treat you 126 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,440 good. Miley. 127 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,880 No. That's so that was a good guess. 128 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,160 Sing it again. Sounds like a Halsey lyrics. 129 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:10,360 I was literally thinking Halsey. I think I got hooked. 130 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,520 You're my heroin be my overdose. I need a therapist. 131 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,680 Keep breaking my heart like I knew you would, baby. 132 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,520 I'm a rebel, but I'll treat you good. 133 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,840 Thinking they're edgy. Is this silver Swift? 134 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,920 No how? Many guesses have we? 135 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,000 Done. I only guess one Selena Gomez. 136 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,440 Nope. The Veronicas? 137 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:35,160 Nope. Forgot, I know we've covered so 138 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,120 many people at this point. Do you know the melody? 139 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,320 I got hooked. You're my heroin. 140 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:41,800 Be my overdose. I need a. 141 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,400 Therapist Keep. Breaking my heart like I knew 142 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,840 you would, baby. I'm a rebel, but I'll treat you 143 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,600 good. It does. 144 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,160 Oh wow, maybe not. No, it's crazy. 145 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:53,800 You can tell. It. 146 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:58,600 Sounds like 2008. It I think it, well, it's not, 147 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,800 but it's someone who made music around then do you give up? 148 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,200 I'll give you a hint. Kelly's one of her hints was 149 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:10,320 really close, she said a relative of this person. 150 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,280 Relative. What am I relative? 151 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,280 I'm sorry, not one of one of your guesses. 152 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:18,000 Tish No, no one. No, the other Cyrus. 153 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:24,880 Trey Cyrus, this is his song. Brenda about Brenda's song, the 154 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:34,000 last one and this this song is not we don't really know that 155 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,360 it's about this person and this relationship, but. 156 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:37,760 It's still a break. Potentially. 157 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,280 The landline. You used to call me on myself. 158 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,720 That's not the song. OK, OK. 159 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,920 And I wonder where you are tonight if you're, if the one 160 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:57,280 you're with was a compromise as we're walking lines in parallel 161 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,040 that we'll never meet and it's just as well. 162 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,080 Taylor Swift. Nope. 163 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,320 Oh my. It sounds so familiar. 164 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,920 Say it again, Arch light. And I wonder where you are 165 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,680 tonight, if the one you're with was a compromise as we're 166 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:14,400 walking lines in parallel that we'll never meet and it's just 167 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,200 as well. Rihanna. 168 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,200 No. Lindsey Buckingham. 169 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:22,200 No, I think you're out of guesses. 170 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,160 That sounds so familiar. The one you're with is a 171 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,920 compromise I can like. Picture us talking about this. 172 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,520 What? I know it's like crazy. 173 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,320 Are you like, Oh my God, it's so obvious. 174 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,320 Yeah, no, it feels so obvious to me, but. 175 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,000 Like do you think this is an easy one? 176 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,680 But I can't get it. Just because it was one of 177 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:50,680 Kelly's episodes. Oh OK, I know now. 178 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,000 Who is it? I guess I got a hint. 179 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:58,680 Is it death Cab for key? Yeah, yay, that kept for Cutie. 180 00:09:58,680 --> 00:10:01,840 I forgot the. Song Summer days, possibly about 181 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,320 Zooey Deschanel, but in the episode you said there's no way 182 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:08,800 to know for sure, but definitely, yeah, Summer days, 183 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,680 500 days of summer, Yeah, that has to be. 184 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,680 And they just got divorced. Kelly won. 185 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,600 Kelly won. There were so many artists I 186 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:19,800 could have done that. That was. 187 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,200 Kind of. I was waiting for the tailor. 188 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,320 Too obvious. What did? 189 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,920 I didn't think there was going to be a Taylor Swift 1 I think. 190 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,640 That could have been She has so many. 191 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,640 Yeah, but the episodes about her? 192 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,880 No. It's too obvious. 193 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,000 You could have done one where you just had to guess the boy it 194 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:42,760 was faced on. Maybe once we do all of her 195 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:44,320 songs, but OK. Yeah. 196 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,280 So we've covered Taylor, so I'm not going to go into her back 197 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,960 story, like at all. We talked about her with respect 198 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,720 to John Mayer, Yes, Jake Gyllenhaal and Joe Allen. 199 00:10:54,880 --> 00:11:00,120 So this is another Joe 2 Joes. Link to the episodes or go back 200 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,160 and find them? Yeah. 201 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,360 Yes. If you want to learn about her 202 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,080 as a person. This is our first person that 203 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:10,880 we're doing 4 episodes about. I kind of didn't pre prepare the 204 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:19,240 three words I forgot, but I would say juvenile, brief and 205 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,520 dramatic. OK, intriguing. 206 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,720 That's fun. Fun for us to talk about. 207 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,760 Yeah. So Joe, he is the second son of 208 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:34,280 Paul Kevin Jonas, a musician and pastor, and his mom, Denise. 209 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,160 What his? Dad's name is Paul Kevin Jonas. 210 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,920 Interesting. Why I don't know Paul Kevin. 211 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,920 Interesting name I don't know. And that one of his kids is 212 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,120 named Kevin. I actually think Kevin Jonas. 213 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:49,880 Oh, isn't that not his? Real name. 214 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,920 That's his middle name. Oh, yeah. 215 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,040 His name might also be Paul. Yeah, it's Paul or Kevin Jonas 216 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,920 the second. But I don't know if the dad goes 217 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,720 by Paul or Kevin, admittedly. I'm not sure, admittedly. 218 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,680 And his mom, Denise, was a sign language teacher and a singer as 219 00:12:06,680 --> 00:12:08,120 well. So they're very musical 220 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,320 households and I think they, like, grew up in the church. 221 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,360 So they were always like singing together. 222 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,880 He was born in Arizona and his younger brother Nick was born in 223 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,520 Texas. And I don't know why, maybe they 224 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:23,000 moved around a lot, but their family is pretty well known to 225 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,640 have grown up in New Jersey, so. Take a drink. 226 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,400 Yeah, what? Is that in our drinking? 227 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:29,920 Game. Yeah, that they moved. 228 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,680 They moved I don't know what they just like went on a 229 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:36,720 vacation and we're born there like or like a short trip like I 230 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,760 don't know why they were his dad was a pastor. 231 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,720 That's not really like a travelling Maybe he. 232 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,240 Was a travelling pastor. Maybe. 233 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,480 But I think you're right. I don't know why I know this, 234 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,080 but they did primarily grow. Up in New Jersey, yeah. 235 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,120 But I guess, yeah, take a drink, although I already finished. 236 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,600 Yeah, and they were deeply involved in the Church of 237 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,720 Assemblies of God, which is a Pentecostal form of 238 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,040 Christianity. When Joe was around nine years 239 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,840 old, his brother Nick was discovered at a barbershop when 240 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,360 someone overheard him singing and referred him to a talent 241 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:15,400 scout or a business manager. Wow, someone's just discovered 242 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,160 in public. Yeah, a little boy just singing, 243 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,640 and I think Nick must have been like 6 or something at this 244 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,120 point, which is interesting that like the youngest one was kind 245 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:24,840 of like their. In. 246 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,400 Yeah, they're in into the industry, which is like a lot of 247 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,920 families seem to have that like the Jackson family, like Michael 248 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,840 Jackson was the most like the star and he was the youngest 249 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,160 they. Were all in the Jackson 5. 250 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,440 Yeah, but he was definitely the most. 251 00:13:40,560 --> 00:13:41,480 I mean, I guess like. The front. 252 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,960 Runner in the Jones what we're? Talking about yeah, but after 253 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,600 that Nick began acting in kid roles on Broadway. 254 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:53,960 Then the boys all began homeschooling in like 2001, 2002 255 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,880 and and then Nick released his first solo album which was a 256 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:01,240 Christian themed album in 2004. So what's Joe doing this whole 257 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,960 time? So at this time, like Joe's in 258 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,120 school and then they're homeschooled, and then the 259 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,000 brothers are like, let's start a band. 260 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,880 It was originally going to be called the Sons of Jonas, but 261 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,080 then they changed it to the Jonas Brothers, and this was 262 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,600 managed by their dad. And it's kind of seems like I'm 263 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,000 like, there must be something more. 264 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,760 Like, it seems like happened really quickly. 265 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,760 Joe is 15, Kevin is 17, Nick is 12. 266 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,920 And they record their first single called Please Be Mine in 267 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,360 2005, and then we're signed by Columbia Records. 268 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,760 Wait, I don't know if you know this. 269 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:36,200 Do you know why the 4th Jonas Brother wasn't a part of it Is 270 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:37,280 he's. Way younger. 271 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,600 Is he? Yeah, I forgot to even mention 272 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:40,280 him. Oh, my gosh. 273 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:42,480 I don't know. No. 274 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,640 Oh yeah, They have a little brother Frankie, too, but he's 275 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,360 like way younger, OK. I wasn't sure what the age 276 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,040 difference was I feel. Like nowadays he could be 277 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,280 involved if he wanted to, but he just set off on a different 278 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,480 course. I think so he I think he makes 279 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:58,760 his own music though. Oh. 280 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,560 Why don't they have him be part of the Jonas Brothers? 281 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,640 I know. He like, could be, I don't know 282 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,880 if they think like it's too late, like we've established 283 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,120 ourselves. When they once they came back 284 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,360 the second time, he they could. Yeah, yeah. 285 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,280 Now, I mean, now it's too late because they've already come 286 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,760 back as only three of them. Maybe he didn't want to be. 287 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,520 He's a lot younger, though. Like I want to say, Kate, he's 288 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,280 like your age or younger. Yeah. 289 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,680 But he could like, sing and perform. 290 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,480 Oh yeah. Oh yeah, Now it's like they. 291 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:25,520 Still hang with. Us. 292 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,440 But I actually do watch. Claim to fame. 293 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,640 Yeah. He's on Frankie and Kevin, yeah. 294 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,000 We kind of have a Gemma's brothers situation because 295 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,520 there's a fourth in our group, Shannon, my sister, but she's 296 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,320 not on the podcast and. That's her choice. 297 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:44,880 Yeah. Really, it kind of is. 298 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,400 She doesn't really care. She did get upset when she found 299 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,640 out you were joining. Yeah, but I feel she was upset 300 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,120 at the same time. She doesn't want to be honest. 301 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:53,960 She doesn't. Listen. 302 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,960 She doesn't listen. Whereas you listened to every 303 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:58,720 episode. You've already said this. 304 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:03,120 You made us social media posts, sometimes just out of your own 305 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:04,240 passion. I run. 306 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:05,640 So you got promoted. Yeah. 307 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:07,160 You ran the YouTube. Yeah. 308 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:11,360 So you were promoted? Yeah, yeah, she's like the 309 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,320 Frankie. Shannon wants to like, dive in, 310 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:19,560 start doing stuff, by all means. Good thing she doesn't listen. 311 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,880 Here's caller the Frankie. A lot of people like Frankie 312 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:29,520 though 'cause he's like more. He's kind of funny and stuff. 313 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,520 I don't know. Probably more normal in a way. 314 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,560 Yeah, but he's also like never known life normal 'cause he 315 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,880 always grew up with his brothers being celebrities too. 316 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,840 So then they'd be in touring as opening acts for Kelly Clarkson, 317 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,720 Jesse McCartney, the Backstreet Boys, The Cheetah Girls and Ali 318 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,360 and AJ. And Joe actually dated AJ from 319 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:54,800 Ali and AJ when they're really young and AJ has said that Joe 320 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,280 was her first kiss. Wow, I didn't know that. 321 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,280 Very sweet. So then in 2006 they released 322 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,359 their first album called It's About Time, which included their 323 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:08,240 cover of the song Year 3000. Bob, that's a cover. 324 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,160 Yeah, that's a cover. Of whose song I? 325 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,800 Think it's a British? What? 326 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,359 Oh my gosh, I hate. You hate not knowing that 327 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,240 something to cover. When other people don't know 328 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,640 that a song is a cover. But then even more I hate when I 329 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,599 don't know a song is a cover. So that's. 330 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,000 Really, the time I'm learning that songs are covered. 331 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,280 I know, but then I get mad when the people don't know. 332 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,040 Like you don't know because sometimes I like the original 333 00:17:34,120 --> 00:17:35,800 and. Then I get that. 334 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,120 I get that. It's from a band called Busted 335 00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:41,680 from 2003. I'd be so pissed if, well, I 336 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,920 mean I'm sure they make money. They got money. 337 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,040 Yeah, maybe they get like a small. 338 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,640 Do they though? Profit. 339 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:50,200 Yeah, they must. They have to if they I. 340 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,720 Don't know if you just like buy it once and then you that's as 341 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,760 much money as you get or if they get a small bit pending. 342 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,320 Wow. That was a hit like whoever 343 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,000 selected that song to cover that was a good idea. 344 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:03,960 They. Kind of fucked. 345 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:05,800 It from obscurity, at least in America. 346 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,280 We didn't know that song, no. And now it's like solely a Jones 347 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,720 Brothers. Song, but it wasn't really a hit 348 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:17,160 until so it was like like they did kids They well they covered 349 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,800 it and then their music like appeared in MTV and Nickelodeon 350 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:25,360 and on Cartoon Network, but it didn't actually the album itself 351 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:27,440 like didn't make a lot of money. They actually did also also 352 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,720 write a song for Disney Channel for the TV show American Dragon. 353 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,240 Jake Long. Do you remember that? 354 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:34,040 I remember that. Yeah. 355 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:35,480 So they wrote the theme song for that. 356 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,840 Oh. But their album itself didn't 357 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,200 sell well, so they got dropped by Columbia and then picked up 358 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,320 by Disney. And then Disney started playing 359 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,080 the year 3000 music video all the time. 360 00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:48,320 And so that's when it became a hit. 361 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:49,400 Oh. That makes sense. 362 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,360 That's kind of interesting because they do kind of really 363 00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:55,360 associate with them with Disney, but they weren't originally 364 00:18:55,360 --> 00:18:57,960 Disney. No, I think they're country was 365 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,480 writing that theme song for that TV show. 366 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,960 And it it didn't quite, we just rolled with it, but it didn't 367 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,000 quite make sense. It was like, what is this band? 368 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,960 Yeah. It is a they didn't. 369 00:19:08,120 --> 00:19:09,480 Even have a show or anything I know. 370 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:10,680 Yeah, then they have a. Show. 371 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:12,320 Yeah. It's so true. 372 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,320 I I'm just not thinking. I don't know, I didn't really 373 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,520 fuck with them. I didn't like me neither. 374 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:21,080 I especially, and I feel bad saying this, but like, yeah, 375 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,400 'cause we didn't know of them. It's like, why do you find this 376 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,440 band? I fucked up their music but I 377 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,200 feel like I didn't care about them personally. 378 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,800 Just like, Oh yeah, yeah, I didn't fuck with that. 379 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,400 Yeah, it was a hit. It was great. 380 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:34,760 It was amazing. Yeah, it did feel. 381 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:41,400 Forced upon us and it did. I didn't like it. 382 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,320 This is mean to say, but Joe, when he would sing, would like 383 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,800 tilt his head to the side and like, oh God. 384 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:52,320 And I did not like give for some reason, like I didn't know this 385 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:53,760 term back then, but it gave me the ick. 386 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,840 Like I just didn't like it. So yeah. 387 00:19:57,360 --> 00:20:00,240 Then they were signed with Disney and then released their 388 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:04,040 self-titled album Jonas Brothers, which included the 389 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:10,000 songs SOS and Hold on. And then 2008 they starred in 390 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:15,600 the D com hit of the summer Camp Rock, which I didn't love Camp 391 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:16,360 Rock keeper. I didn't. 392 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,280 I was not a camp. Rock I did like a ton of people 393 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:24,200 from my grade love camp Rock. Like, I remember them being 394 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,960 obsessed. I I didn't, yeah. 395 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,120 No, OK, I know. There was no. 396 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,920 Responsible. Yeah, I know they're the same 397 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,400 net work, but I feel like it was like you're either a Camp Rock 398 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,560 kid or a High School Musical kid, and I was a High School 399 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:40,720 Musical kid. I. 400 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,760 Think a lot of people were both but just 'cause they wanted Camp 401 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,000 Rock to be as. Good as. 402 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:46,800 Classical. Musical, but it wasn't. 403 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,080 I like school rock. Me too. 404 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,680 Or. Not Doggy Rock. 405 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,320 It's not because. This is the rock thing. 406 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,440 I like rock, but something about yeah I didn't like. 407 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,040 It, I feel like, I don't know. I didn't really care about Demi 408 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:03,080 Lovato, I thought. That the Jonas Brothers acting 409 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,840 in Cam Brock was so bad. It was like terrible acting, and 410 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,240 that made me not like them. Yeah, Joe is like the main guy 411 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,320 in it, but it's like, yeah, they're terrible actors. 412 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:16,600 So bad. I. 413 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,400 Mean Nick's not bad. Yeah, but him and Kevin were 414 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,200 just kind of like the goofy brothers that like. 415 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,800 If you think about it, Disney Channel has such a old fashioned 416 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,360 model. It's so like. 417 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,360 It's like a video system. Yeah, like 1930s, nineteen, you 418 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:35,040 know, through the 50s where they would have a singer that they'd 419 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:39,600 make me in movies and just show up in all these random 420 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,560 productions. Yeah. 421 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,560 And it's funny when they're children, too. 422 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,120 It's like you have to sing and act. 423 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:47,120 Yeah. Have to do and dance. 424 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,440 Yeah. You have to be a triple threat, 425 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:50,640 yeah. Literally. 426 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,880 But yeah, what was even the story of Camp Brock like? 427 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,920 Denny's character was there on scholarship, and she didn't want 428 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:00,640 everyone. To know she wasn't she wasn't 429 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,680 there on scholarship. Her mom worked as like the chef. 430 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,960 So she just. Didn't want people to know that. 431 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,200 Yeah, She didn't want people to know that. 432 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,040 And she also just wanted to be like the best singer and the 433 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:15,200 star and the Jonas Brothers. I don't think that's what 434 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,760 they're called in the movie. They had gone to that camp 435 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,400 before and then became big and then for some reason. 436 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,160 And then Joe hears her voice. They. 437 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,240 Had to like, come back to the camp and yeah, he hears her 438 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,000 voice and they're like. This is real. 439 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,960 This is me. But they he didn't know that it 440 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,040 was her. It was kind of like an enemies 441 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,480 to lovers in a way. But I again I don't. 442 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,520 Yeah, So. Yeah. 443 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:44,280 And at this time, oh, wait. So the Jonas Brothers are really 444 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,520 rising in their popularity and fame. 445 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,800 That summer, they also debuted at #1 on the Billboard 200 chart 446 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,360 with their album A Little Bit Longer, and they became the 447 00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:58,800 youngest band ever to appear on the cover of Rolling Stone. 448 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,120 And is that? The album with love bug or is 449 00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:02,920 that another? I think so, yeah. 450 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:11,960 Love Bug again? That's like their Best Song. 451 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:19,240 Yeah, and they were the first band to ever have three albums 452 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,960 simultaneously on the Billboard 10 Top Ten at the same time, if 453 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,640 you include the Camp Rock soundtrack. 454 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,480 OK. If you can. 455 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,960 OK, OK. It's it's impressive. 456 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,160 So him and Taylor. It's October 2008 and Taylor 457 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,960 begins opening up for the Jonas Brothers on their Burning Up 458 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:46,640 tour, playing songs she played songs from her debut album 459 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,560 self-titled. I thought Taylor was a pretty 460 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,520 big star at this point too. Like tear drops on my guitar. 461 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,520 She was. Maybe she wasn't the biggest but 462 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,080 I thought she'd be bigger then opening for the Jonas. 463 00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:00,280 Run. Yeah, but she's a new star. 464 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:01,560 Yeah. But I thought maybe she'd be 465 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,480 opening for, yeah, maybe like Kelly Clarkson or something, 466 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,200 like the ones that they were opening. 467 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,080 Yeah, before. She was young, though. 468 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,200 So. They were young. 469 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,960 It's like a teenage. They were young. 470 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,840 I know. I feel like it makes sense I 471 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,160 guess. Yeah, but they've had like, you 472 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,640 know, a movie. And like this is her first 473 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,160 album. So I mean, it makes sense for 474 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,480 her to be on the same tour with another teenager. 475 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,720 Yes. Yes, rather than like with an 476 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,400 adult who might be more famous. But it's so true, Yeah. 477 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,040 And I'm sure their concerts were really big at this point. 478 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,880 Like, they actually were filming their concert movie at this 479 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:43,040 point, their 3D movie, 3 D So at this time, she's 18, he's 19. 480 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,880 And rumors start swirling that they might be dating at this 481 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,440 time, but they're denying it. Wait. 482 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,080 What was the age difference? Just one year, 18. 483 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,080 OK, so Joe tells Ryan Seacrest in an interview. 484 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,240 She's a great girl. I think anybody would love to go 485 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,720 on a date with her. Meanwhile, meanwhile, Taylor 486 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,600 tells People magazine. We're all friends. 487 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,280 He's an amazing guy and I think anybody would be lucky to be 488 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:03,680 dating her. They both say like the. 489 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,720 Same. So in September, they're 490 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,440 photographed sitting next to each other at the MTV Music 491 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:14,040 Awards, which publicly fuels speculation even more. 492 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,040 But then in November, Taylor goes on Ellen to promote her 493 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,640 sophomore album, Fearless. In an In an interview, Ellen 494 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:27,040 asks Taylor about dating Joe. Some of the songs on here, all 495 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,760 of the songs on here are about boys and love, yes. 496 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,440 Anyone in particular? There are a couple people that 497 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,680 they're about, actually. Like maybe somebody like, you 498 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:46,160 know, that guy. There's one that's about that 499 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:46,600 guy. Uh huh. 500 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,320 That that guy's not in my life anymore. 501 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,040 Unfortunately, I know. That's not I'm sorry to hear. 502 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,840 That, that's Ouch. That's an Ouch. 503 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,000 Yeah. Wow. 504 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,400 Now I know the Ouch thing's with you because I've you've told me 505 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:05,680 you drive by their houses a lot. You you told me you do that to 506 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,240 ex boyfriends. Is that going to happen? 507 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,520 He's got a lot of security guards. 508 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,920 They're big, so probably not. All right, but but you get to 509 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,840 write a song. That's the thing about being. 510 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,280 Yes. I got a last minute recording 511 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,000 session like right when it was like like that. 512 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,400 Really. Yeah, Like that. 513 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:25,720 Yeah. And so. 514 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,520 Well, I mean, that's a good thing though, because it's kind 515 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,360 of like, you know, my label let me record that song right before 516 00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:33,400 the album had to be done. That's on here now. 517 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,600 Yeah, it's completely on there. What's the name of the song 518 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,120 that's about that? It's called forever and always. 519 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,840 Yeah, is that sarcasm? Forever and always. 520 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,760 Definitely, definitely. Now and and, but that must be 521 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,520 really hard because you as opposed to someone who's just in 522 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,920 a relationship, you can avoid seeing him, but like. 523 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,560 He's on like. You see him everywhere. 524 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,480 Sharpeners and T-shirts. Yes, yeah, I did not realize 525 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,120 pencil sharpeners, but he's. There's also a doll. 526 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:00,360 Yeah. Yeah. 527 00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:02,120 Oh, I bet you have that with some pins or something. 528 00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:05,120 Probably. But now seriously, that must be 529 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:08,000 really hard to to. Can you be friendly? 530 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,400 Is it OK? We haven't talked since, 531 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,520 actually. So it's like, yeah, but you know 532 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,640 what? Someday I'm going to find 533 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,760 somebody really, really great who's right for me. 534 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,140 Yes, you are. And you're. 535 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,320 You're 18 years old. You're, you're, of course you're 536 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,880 going to find you're going to find about 40 people that are 537 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,400 right for you. What about Nick? 538 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,280 We'll go for another brother. I mean, why don't you? 539 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,240 That would get him back if you go for one of the brothers. 540 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,680 Oh wow. Yeah, or Kevin. 541 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,400 I mean, there's two other brothers to go to. 542 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:44,320 Oh. My gosh. 543 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,600 Yeah, that's not right, Right. Probably not. 544 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,320 OK, but you're actually thinking of it. 545 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,320 You're considering it, aren't you? 546 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,520 I can see that in your face, but no, you will find somebody 547 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,280 because you are a fantastic person. 548 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,680 You have a great personality, you're just adorable, you're 549 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,720 talented. You've got you've got so much 550 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,800 going for you. Thank you And I know it still 551 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,880 hurts no matter what and but I'm sorry to hear that because I 552 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,400 thought that y'all were still together but. 553 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,720 Oh, it's OK. OK. 554 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:10,560 It's all right. I'm cool. 555 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,720 You know what it's like? It's like when I find that 556 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:17,480 person that that is, is right for me and is he'll be 557 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,880 wonderful. And when I look at that person, 558 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,720 I'm not even going to be able to remember the boy who broke up 559 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,360 with me over the phone in 25 seconds when I was 18. 560 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:37,040 Sorry, awesome 28 broke up. On the phone. 561 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,760 Yeah, it was like a record, I think for how quick it was. 562 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,520 Like it was like I looked at the call log, it was like 27 563 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,240 seconds. That's. 564 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,440 Got to be a record. Oh, boy, I'm sorry to hear that. 565 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,320 And so are the millions and millions of other people that 566 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,800 just heard that are going to be so mad at him right now. 567 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:56,800 All right, we have to take a break. 568 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,240 And we're going to talk more with Taylor. 569 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,320 We'll be right back. Elephant's face. 570 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:07,200 You got the scoop of the. Lifetime. 571 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,040 It's like so much to say. I have so many. 572 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,360 Thoughts. Me too. 573 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,720 First of all, wait how long did they date? 574 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,080 Three months? Three months? 575 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,200 OK, good, I thought. I thought I was missing 576 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,120 something like. What I felt like it's a. 577 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,920 Party over. There's like one siding. 578 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,960 Oh my gosh. As quick as she and Harry dated. 579 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:30,880 Yeah. Into Gyllenhaal. 580 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,280 Yeah, three months. OK, that's so quick. 581 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,360 I have so many thoughts. First of all, Ellen looked 582 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,720 shocked when she said that about the phone call. 583 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,960 Yeah, I really don't think Ellen forced her to say she. 584 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,680 Said she said. I expected you guys to still be 585 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,240 together. I know she's like always about 586 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,760 this guy, I felt. Awkward that she brought it up, 587 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,840 yeah. But it ended up being good for 588 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,760 her. I think it's for who better with 589 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,640 scoop for Ellen. Yeah. 590 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,680 Oh my gosh, Taylor was so open and just so willing to share. 591 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,040 So. But it was cute. 592 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,400 It because it did kind of remind me of like when you just go 593 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,760 through a breakup or something, you just like have to get it off 594 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,160 your chest like you just like want everyone. 595 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:18,520 Oh my God, you'll tell anyone. Yeah, and it's like therapeutic 596 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,320 because then the other person's like, you know, like you're so 597 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,400 young, you're gonna find someone and everyone's like, you got 598 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:25,680 this girl. Like. 599 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,920 Yeah, that person sucks. Yeah, and you're like. 600 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,240 Yeah. I've done that before where I've 601 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,760 just been like randomly in the mood to tell people. 602 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,800 Like when they ask I'm just, I'm just like no, I just got dumped. 603 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:45,240 Yeah. I'm like, so open though you 604 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,960 would not catch a modern celebrity saying. 605 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,200 No. No, it's why it's so refreshing. 606 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,280 It is. I remember back then though, 607 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,480 because that was the age when everyone like Miley and Nick or 608 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,080 like all these people, they're like, are they dating? 609 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,120 Are they not Christian and Rob or whatever and it was nice to 610 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,120 have a celebrity just like tell you exactly yeah, every just 611 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,400 tell you it you know I. Thought she was going to be coy 612 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,520 about what song it was and then people just figured it out. 613 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,600 But yeah, she's like, it's forever and after forever and 614 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,840 always forever and always. But I feel like This is why she 615 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,760 did get the reputation that she did and so we can't pretend like 616 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,800 Taylor like didn't like. I think actually her saying this 617 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,000 made her way more famous. Yes. 618 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:29,840 I don't even think like the Kanye. 619 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,400 I made that bit famous. I think this made her famous. 620 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,440 Yeah, I. Think because she said a song 621 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,880 was about somebody. Yeah, especially people were, 622 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,200 yeah, fans of the Jones brothers, and maybe they're not 623 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,720 fans of her. They're going to listen to that 624 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:44,840 song. Yeah, and be. 625 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,440 Like what did she say about Joe? Yes, well. 626 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,400 Even someone that's watching this might not have had any 627 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,520 interest in her music, but now they might feel like, oh I'm 628 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,040 kind of curious to hear. That's. 629 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,720 True, it's. So intriguing. 630 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,040 Yeah. It was really smart of her. 631 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,320 It's like, whoa. And they're like invested in the 632 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,720 story now. I feel kind of bad that well, 633 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,880 are you going to talk about is there like backlash or anything 634 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,440 or or not really? Or like. 635 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,480 Just the reputation. Do you feel bad for? 636 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,800 JoJo Ness no for for Taylor saying this. 637 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,240 Oh. Yeah, because it's like her 638 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,200 first boyfriend. I don't know if there really was 639 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,760 backlash for that. I think like it. 640 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,320 It was the start of her reputation for being like boy 641 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,600 crazy and stuff. And. 642 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,680 Actually, I kind of feel like she was playing into that 643 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,160 character a little bit back in that point because like she 644 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,360 still wrote country music and at that point, I think maybe even 645 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,120 now, but I'm not sure. It was kind of like a trope with 646 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,600 country women to be like the Crazy Ex-girlfriend. 647 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:43,200 So. True. 648 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,840 With like Miranda Lambert or like Carrie Underwood, it's like 649 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,960 I got a shotgun. I'm gonna drive by your house 650 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,040 like. So. 651 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,360 And I feel like that's why, like Ellen even said, like you, you 652 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,880 know, you told me you drive by their houses a lot, right? 653 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,800 Like, you know, I feel like. You think that was true? 654 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,600 No, I don't think so. Yeah, Taylor even reacted kind 655 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:01,720 of weirdly to that. Like, yeah. 656 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,840 But like, you know, like with picture to burn and stuff, like 657 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,840 she's like really trying to be like the vengeful angry 658 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,040 ex-girlfriend and like playing into that. 659 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,440 You're right, that was such a trope in country music. 660 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:18,320 And I feel kind of bad though that this was the start of her 661 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,720 negative reputation because she is only 18. 662 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,000 Yeah, you don't even know what you're doing. 663 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,560 I know. And I really feel like she was 664 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:30,120 just looking for support. And like also, she was asked 665 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,720 about a breakup. She was asked about a guy. 666 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,280 How is she gonna respond, you know? 667 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,600 And she's gonna write about her real life relationships. 668 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,280 I I've never had a problem with that. 669 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,680 And it's not her fault the relationship only lasted 3 670 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,400 months and ended in such the way that it did. 671 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,040 So you can't be too mad at her for like, writing a song about 672 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,080 this relationship. Like of course she's gonna write 673 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,840 about that relationship. But there are definitely 674 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,720 consequences when you're a public figure to air stuff like 675 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,400 that out. True, that's why people often 676 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,440 don't. But I asked you guys if someone 677 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,560 really breaks your heart in a relationship, do you feel 678 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,560 justified in trash talking them to other people? 679 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:17,840 And 75% said yes I'm speaking my truth, but 25% said no, I prefer 680 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:23,520 to keep it to myself. I think yes, but if there were 681 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:30,239 some really red flags that you just totally ignored and never 682 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,800 brought up to your friends before I would keep that to 683 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,159 myself so I don't seem like a loser putting up with them for 684 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,440 so long. Like actually they peed on me 685 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,960 like 3 months into their relationship but I kept being 686 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,440 with them until this point. Like I don't know, like I if it 687 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:51,080 was something where later in the relationship there was like a 688 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,320 red flag in a straw broke. Why has that happened to? 689 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,200 You no, but I, I feel like I keep seeing stuff like that 690 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,160 online where people unload about all these previous red flags 691 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,920 that happened in their relationship and then their 692 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,160 friends are like, why were you in that relationship for so 693 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,640 long? So maybe you would just. 694 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,400 Yeah. That to yourself, because I 695 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,160 think you're a little bit ashamed that you were in that 696 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,280 relationship. You also should be pretty sure 697 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,400 you're not going to get back together with that. 698 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,240 Yeah. And you tell everybody the 699 00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:20,360 whole. I feel that does happen, too. 700 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,760 Like people trash talk and then they're like, we're back 701 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,440 together. It's like you stole me all this 702 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,240 shit. Yeah. 703 00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:28,120 I know. Oh my gosh. 704 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,160 Yeah, that's. Like, I don't think you should 705 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,760 get back together. Yeah. 706 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,960 And then? Not at you for being mad at 707 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,280 them. I don't know. 708 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,640 Oh my gosh, has that happened to me? 709 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,640 Yes. Where you spend an entire 710 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,240 weekend with your friends dissecting the X and talking 711 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:50,000 about how horrible it all is and Oh my gosh, now you're in a 712 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,880 better place. And then they get back together. 713 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,240 Yeah. But I guess that's getting a 714 00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:55,960 little far away from the question. 715 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,680 What did our listeners say? So, Yanika said, Venting yes, 716 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,200 trash talking no. I used to keep relationship 717 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,360 issues to myself. I do not recommend that. 718 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,720 But now I prefer talking rationally about problems and 719 00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:12,200 learning from them rather than just letting my emotions take 720 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,040 over and finding myself in a spiral of hating someone I 721 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,880 deeply care for. I've had my heart broken before. 722 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,400 Trash talking might help for a moment, but having a deeper 723 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,120 conversation definitely helps getting through the breakup in a 724 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,560 healthier way. Jamie said. 725 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,040 Definitely have trash chalked in the past. 726 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,560 Mainly just venting if I was dumped and complaining if I was 727 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,320 the dumper as of late. Now that I'm older I'll talk 728 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,560 about what happened with a few very close friends, but try not 729 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,600 to speak I'll of someone if I do to really love them or if I did 730 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,800 really love them just because now I feel like part of letting 731 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,720 loving is letting go. I do feel that if they were 732 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,400 trashed to you, like cheated etcetera, it is really 733 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,400 therapeutic to trash talk them. Sonny said. 734 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,000 Part of me wants to be the mature adult and say no, but 735 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,560 I've caught myself trashing an ex almost as if to ease the 736 00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,760 pain. Victoria said. 737 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,720 Depends on the definition of trash talk. 738 00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:04,480 Are we venting and letting our feelings out, or are we getting 739 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,320 out of our way to willfully spew negativity to anyone who will 740 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,040 listen? Am I venting to close friends or 741 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,120 chatting with coworkers? Close friends, we'll hear it out 742 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,920 and then some coworkers might hear I'm going through a breakup 743 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,240 and it's horrible, but I wouldn't share the rage and 744 00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:22,680 negativity with people who aren't closest to me. 745 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,480 And Heather said I feel like if somebody really breaks my heart 746 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,360 in a relationship, I would be too devastated to talk about it. 747 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,160 Honestly, the only exes I've trashed talked are the ones that 748 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,880 I have broken up with. And it wasn't trash talk. 749 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,160 When you think about it, everything I said was true. 750 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,960 And Andrea said yeah, especially if I got dumped with no warning, 751 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,240 it's fair game. I think if they did something 752 00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:48,440 really despicable, it's fine to say something. 753 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,680 Yeah, you are just speaking your truth. 754 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,280 I've often felt like I am somewhat of an oversharer 755 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,640 because I do want to be close to people and I feel like. 756 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,480 That's the best way. Yeah, I don't, I don't like 757 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,560 holding myself back. I don't like to be mysterious, 758 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,880 you know, like I'll just tell someone if someone wants to 759 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,320 know. Yeah, but I definitely also have 760 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,680 been guilty of like talking about a situation too much and 761 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,240 people probably OK, we're done with this. 762 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,800 I think I think it's the worst when I feel like we've all 763 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,120 probably heard of a guy that does this, that just like 764 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,440 randomly, it could be a girl too, but for some reason 765 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,000 picturing a guy that just starts like texting people just being 766 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:34,280 like yo watch out for so and so. Like she's crazier. 767 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,920 It's probably more of a small town thing. 768 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,280 But like when people would go out of their way to just 769 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,360 randomly like tell the world that so and so or they would 770 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,600 make it like their Facebook status or something and use 771 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:44,960 names. I think that's when you're like, 772 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,240 really caught. People definitely made tick 773 00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:49,480 tocks and stuff like that too. Yeah, I mean it's. 774 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,640 Showing face like if you're from the Atlanta area, do not trust 775 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,600 this guy. I think that's too far. 776 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,720 Even if someone. Did do something like so-called 777 00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:03,880 bad like cheat? Like it's going to be hard for 778 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,200 them to like restart or I don't know. 779 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,240 I would never post something on social media about someone. 780 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:12,680 I know I would. Never do that like that. 781 00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:17,480 Makes you look crazy to do it. OK, but isn't that just what 782 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,440 Taylor Swift kind of does? I know no, but it's true. 783 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,720 So now we I guess we would pivot I but. 784 00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:27,600 She was asked, she was asked by Ellen and then she told the 785 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,880 differences. She was on TV, but I. 786 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,760 Mean. I did one time talk poorly sort 787 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,440 of about an ex. It's just going back so far in 788 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,600 high school. Also like a three month 789 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,640 relationship in hindsight, like so inconsequential. 790 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,240 But I felt bad later because like people talk, you know, in 791 00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:52,720 high school and people like had heard what I said and that I 792 00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:55,240 said that like it was like crazy. 793 00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:00,920 And then I felt bad because other girls were like, people 794 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,680 talked and were like, oh, we heard he was crazy, you know, 795 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,240 because of me. And I felt kind of bad. 796 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,480 Yeah, 'cause then it might get back to the other person. 797 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,000 I think if you're heartbroken by someone and they know that 798 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,560 you're like going around town complaining about them, it 799 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:20,280 doesn't help yourself. No, that's not gonna help you 800 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,440 get them. Back the best thing you can do 801 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,920 to win them over is to like not talk about it and just be like 802 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,320 oh like I don't care. Like obviously them to your 803 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,200 friends but like don't let it get back to them that you are 804 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,880 even thinking about it. Yes. 805 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,400 I definitely don't tell random strangers or Co workers. 806 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,040 I mostly just stick to friends and family and I guess this 807 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,240 podcast because I have talked about it before. 808 00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:46,120 Yeah, I know. I have. 809 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,120 Talked. About strangers. 810 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,040 That's not strange. Specific details, Would you say 811 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:52,720 name or name? Yeah, yeah. 812 00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:55,600 It is. I do like, like when an older 813 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,760 adult gives you advice after a heartbreak or something. 814 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,880 Yeah, it is kind of nice. But you don't know where those 815 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,480 people are. They're like back in my day. 816 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,720 Yeah, Jimmy. It is nice to have, like, a 817 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,040 sleepover with your friends and, like, have a situation, like, 818 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,200 play it back and then like, yes, yeah, you know, you have like, 819 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,520 an army of people who hate the person. 820 00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:20,800 Yeah, yeah, an army like to back you up and make you think like, 821 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,000 OK, I'm not crazy. Yet for. 822 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,480 Seeing this the way that I saw it. 823 00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:29,480 Have you ever felt kind of the opposite? 824 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,320 I have. Where you don't really want to 825 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:37,040 talk too much about them because it feels like it says something 826 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,640 about you that you were with someone that. 827 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,200 That's what I was saying. I said some people don't want to 828 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,640 talk about it because they'll reveal like 'cause. 829 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,000 Yeah, I guess. But like, I've had that happen 830 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,560 where like, my friends are quick to be like, you're too good for 831 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,480 him or something. And I'm like, OK, like, I don't 832 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:55,400 know. It doesn't really help. 833 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,240 Like that makes me feel bad about myself for some reason. 834 00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:00,280 Yeah, or like I never liked. Yeah. 835 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,240 Oh, I've had. Yeah, I've heard that before. 836 00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:03,240 I never liked him. Like what? 837 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,640 You've been keeping this a secret the whole time. 838 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,880 Yeah. And it makes me feel like I 839 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,040 don't, you don't trust me here. I don't know. 840 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:10,840 Yeah. Weird. 841 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:12,960 Thankfully I've never had that happen, but. 842 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,120 Yeah, but it is definitely amplified with a celebrity. 843 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:23,280 Oh yeah, that is kind of crazy. But now the whole world knows 844 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,960 about this and paints him in a bad light. 845 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,440 In the in the phone call. Thing I know. 846 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,280 Yeah, I will. Say 5 seconds. 847 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,320 I'll say this, if you haven't dated for very long, I don't 848 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,360 think there's anything wrong with breaking up over a phone 849 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:38,360 call. Yeah, I mean I. 850 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,440 Don't like, I don't want to be in person. 851 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,680 Like if you're breaking to break up with me, I don't want you to 852 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,080 see me cry. I don't know you that well. 853 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:48,360 Like I would rather just hang up the phone and go cry. 854 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,520 Like, I don't want you to like, walk me home. 855 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,240 Or something. Maybe they're long distance? 856 00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:56,800 Oh yeah, totally. Like, what if he was still like, 857 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,760 is he gonna wait? Yeah, I. 858 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,120 Used a phone call, you know, phone calls. 859 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,320 Not that bad, no? It was a phone call. 860 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:04,880 Yeah, I know. I'm saying like it's better than 861 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,800 a text or an e-mail or yeah. And I kind of see the point of 862 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,480 it being short because do you really want to, like, get to the 863 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:13,520 point? Yeah. 864 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,480 And then be like, OK, we're parting ways. 865 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,480 We don't need to drag this out. I kind of see it. 866 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,000 Yeah, I went out with someone for like 2 months. 867 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,800 It was pretty short in retrospect, but I really, really 868 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,640 liked the person. And I thought that was going to 869 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,280 be like your boy. I know, I know I was really into 870 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,760 him. And then I could like feel him 871 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:38,120 like slipping away and I just like sent a text like, hey, I'm 872 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,480 kind of picking up a vibe. And he like sent a whole text 873 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,200 back and he said like, do you want to talk about it in person? 874 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,840 Talk about it over the phone? And I was like, no, I'm all set 875 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,880 because I'm like, I don't want you to like you're ending it 876 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:50,960 with me. So I don't need to see you 877 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:56,520 anyway, you know? I was actually in a 2 1/2 year 878 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,680 relationship and that ended over text. 879 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:03,480 It wasn't me. It wasn't me who was the dumper, 880 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,200 just FYI. But I mean, it was the 881 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,520 conversation that we've been having for a while, like in 882 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,640 person and over the phone, but then it just actually came to an 883 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,760 end over text. I'm not too mad about that 884 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,040 because I kind of get it at some point. 885 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,560 I don't wanna cry in front of you or something. 886 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,160 Yeah, you know. Well sometimes it's just harder 887 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,400 to do that stuff in person. You look at the other persons 888 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,680 face and you might, yeah, not be strong enough so. 889 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,360 One time I did dump someone in person, it was at a Panera, 890 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,120 which by the way, Panera is the best way. 891 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,800 It's so funny. Shannon also did I. 892 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,120 Told her that I told her to go to Panera. 893 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,240 Panera. It's the best place to go. 894 00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:41,640 We. Have another relationship. 895 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,280 We came in and they were like, do you want to get food? 896 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:45,480 I was like, no, let's just sit down. 897 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,600 I think I said like, we're breaking up and then I left. 898 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,760 I didn't even get food. I don't know if they got food, 899 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,400 but you just do it. You just RIP off the Band-Aid 900 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,520 and then that's it. Oh my gosh, really? 901 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,000 None of my relationships have ended in person. 902 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,880 I don't think really. Yeah, I think they've always 903 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:05,520 been over the phone or yeah, once was a voice message sent to 904 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,640 me. I know that's not happy with 905 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:14,920 that, but yeah, it's kind of scary too to end it. 906 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,480 Yeah, OK. Go back to the guy I said was 907 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,760 crazy. I was scared. 908 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:23,360 To bring up with him in person, Like genuinely scared. 909 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,720 I remember. That did you? 910 00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,480 Wait, how did you press a phone? Call. 911 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,240 That makes sense. Yeah, that's funny. 912 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,680 I think that in this day and age a call is OK. 913 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,040 Yeah. Yeah, I think most of the time 914 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:47,640 when people break up in person, it's not necessarily. 915 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,120 Sometimes it's not planned. There's like a fight and then 916 00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:50,840 you have a breakup. Yeah. 917 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,760 And then someone's like, I'm done. 918 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,360 Serious, whereas like a phone call is more premeditated. 919 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,120 Definitely. But now if someone brings me to 920 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,600 Panera, like Zach, my boyfriend brings me to Panera, I'll be 921 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,400 pretty nervous. Maybe we could have them sponsor 922 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,640 as like the best place to break up with someone. 923 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,000 Yeah, not small because it's. Comfort food too, so you can 924 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,320 stick around. Yeah, they can stick around and 925 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:15,720 get their. Get it to go. 926 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,320 Cozy. Yeah, exactly. 927 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,520 But it's also you're not like waiting for the waiter to come. 928 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,760 Exactly. It's not, yeah, but it's not 929 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,840 like McDonald's like that Feels a little trashy. 930 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:36,080 It's a step up from McDonald's. So it's not too expensive for 931 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,520 your last date if you do choose to get food. 932 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,040 I know, I remember Shannon said She broke up with someone at 933 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,880 Panera and then he didn't even eat his meal. 934 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,560 OK, that's why you have to break up before they get the food. 935 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,600 Before you order, yes. Oh, so you're. 936 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,760 Just. You're just using their seats. 937 00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,120 Yes, that's why I did. At least you could order. 938 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,760 Yeah, and then do it. But don't like order, get the 939 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,160 food and then do it. OK, Yeah. 940 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,760 Because then you're stuck having a meal unless you're going to be 941 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:13,080 like, no, I don't want anything. And then that's weird bounce 942 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,920 while they're having like bread bowl Mac and cheese or 943 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:17,000 something. And. 944 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,840 Soup, soup. Okay. 945 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,680 Okay so yeah, that song Forever and always that Taylor talked 946 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,680 about she has a line. You look me in the eye and told 947 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,720 me you loved me wow I wonder did he really say that? 948 00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:36,040 I wonder I. Would assume that'd be weird to 949 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,120 make up. I wrote it did seem like Taylor 950 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,320 was overreacting to a breakup for three months, but if he 951 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,480 actually did say he loved her and promised forever and always 952 00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:50,440 as said in the song, that would be very intense and hurt a lot. 953 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,400 Jeez, it's it's so much like her Jake Gyllenhaal relationship. 954 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,920 I know, crazy she. Had that happen again. 955 00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,880 Like a year. Later, like this whirlwind 956 00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:03,960 romance in a couple months, she. Thinks she's true love. 957 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:08,280 When was Jake Gyllenhaal? That was like 2000. 958 00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:12,560 I think I I mixed up the John Mayer 12, maybe because I did 959 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:13,880 John Mayer. She was 19. 960 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,000 Yeah, so it was a few years later. 961 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,000 It is a very relatable song, like she sings like about 962 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,280 waiting by the phone and waiting for him to call. 963 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,880 And it's agony and he doesn't, and he's losing interest. 964 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,720 Yeah, that's. Something around this time, 965 00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:32,080 Taylor posted a video to her Myspace holding the Joe Jonas 966 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:32,840 doll. That's the way I'm like you. 967 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:36,800 See this one. One even comes with a with a. 968 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,440 Phone. See, so he can. 969 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:44,800 Break up with other dolls. Stay away from from him, OK? 970 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:50,080 That's crazy. That's a little, yeah. 971 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,440 That's if she holds like a blonde Barbie up to the is it 972 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,080 her or is it is like her Barbie? Or I think it's just a blonde 973 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,560 random Barbie. Blonde Barbie up to the Joe 974 00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,520 Jonas Barbie to stay away from him. 975 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,360 Yeah, which again, I feel like is like, maybe trying to be like 976 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:11,560 that crazy ex-girlfriend trope. Yeah, But if you're Joe, you 977 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,400 would be like, this girl's crazy. 978 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,480 I know. And at this point, Joe has now 979 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,600 already moved on. He's in a relationship with the 980 00:49:19,720 --> 00:49:22,040 actress Camila Bell. Oh, we remember her. 981 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,480 Yeah, because she's also photographed with Rob around 982 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,280 this time period. We remember. 983 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,400 We hated her. I thought she was just trying to 984 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,840 be with the most famous man. Yeah. 985 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,000 It may be like she heard like people were really good and like 986 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,200 setting her up with these guys. Yeah, maybe. 987 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,400 She appeared in his music video Love Bug that September. 988 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,520 Yeah, and he was still with Taylor at that point when they 989 00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,520 did meet, so it is interesting. That often happens. 990 00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,920 And they were linked immediately after him and Taylor broke up, 991 00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,360 Taylor reportedly told Us Weekly. 992 00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:57,960 They've been together since we broke up. 993 00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,520 That's why we broke up, because he met her. 994 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,840 That really hurts. So he was like I love you, and 995 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,400 then he met this girl and then he made a little psycho. 996 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,840 Yeah, I know. I mean, if he really did say I 997 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,240 love you and we'll be together forever and always like that is 998 00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:17,640 crazy to then just like meet someone else and then break up 999 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,760 with her. Like his emotions are all over 1000 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:21,360 the way. Smell. 1001 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,880 Sorry, do you know anything about the promise rings? 1002 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:26,800 Wait, I forgot to mention that. Oh my God I'm sorry. 1003 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,640 That was at the end of my notes. They were very famous for having 1004 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,360 purity rings at this point. For for like waiting till 1005 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:33,920 marriage. To have sex. 1006 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,560 To have sex. 'Cause I was gonna say maybe 1007 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:41,840 this wishy washy and like I love you like intensity was because 1008 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,760 he was so Christian. Yeah, that's a good point, 1009 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,440 Caitlyn, because. Off for Camila Belle. 1010 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,920 No, he. Actually took it off for Ashley 1011 00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:56,520 Greene. Wow, OK, so it wasn't, I mean, 1012 00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,840 he could just be lying I guess, but I was going to say it wasn't 1013 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,040 because he thought you could like, sleep with Camila Belle or 1014 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:03,360 something. OK, I feel so invasive right 1015 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,080 now. No, but I will say like his 1016 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:10,600 brother Kevin got married pretty young and then so I I wonder if 1017 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,040 people who are often waiting till marriage kind of rush into 1018 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,800 relationship. And they do. 1019 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,040 Yeah. No offense to all the Mormons 1020 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,320 out there, but they're constantly getting married. 1021 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,160 Wicked. Super quickly and like they 1022 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,520 want, especially if. Not just Mormons. 1023 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,880 I know, but that's like a stereotype about them. 1024 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,480 There's all those videos about BYU and the interview, like 1025 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,160 what's the quickest somebody you've ever seen get engaged and 1026 00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:33,680 they're like 2 weeks. Wow. 1027 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:37,160 A month like. Where's like, I feel like if 1028 00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,960 you're an 18 year old girl, I mean not a stereotype, but like 1029 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,360 you might not be like as in a rush to like sleep with somebody 1030 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,560 right away. But a guy I could see being 1031 00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:52,240 really hormonal and like really wanting to like find the ones 1032 00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:55,160 super quickly so you can like finally do it maybe. 1033 00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,480 I mean, maybe he had something before, but Taylor was the first 1034 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,360 relationship and he was like the first girl that he was like 1035 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,320 really into or something. And then he met Camilla and he 1036 00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,080 was like the same thing. And he was like, oh, maybe it's 1037 00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:12,040 not love. Yeah, yeah, he did date AJ 1038 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,800 Mashaka too, but yeah, that could be it. 1039 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,120 That's probably a big part of it. 1040 00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:18,760 I didn't even think about that, Kate. 1041 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:23,120 So then Joe took to his Myspace and he set the record straight. 1042 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,880 He said several things. I will state with all my heart, 1043 00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,760 I never cheated on a girlfriend. It might make someone feel 1044 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,880 better to assume or imply I have been unfaithful, but it is 1045 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,920 simply not true. Maybe there were reasons for a 1046 00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:35,720 breakup. Maybe the heart moved on. 1047 00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:39,320 Perhaps feelings changed. I am truly saddened that 1048 00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,320 anything could potentially cause you to think less of me, he 1049 00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,120 added. For those who have expressed 1050 00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,760 concern over the 27 second phone call, I called to discuss 1051 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,640 feelings with the other person. Those feelings were obviously 1052 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,920 not well received. I did not end the conversation, 1053 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,840 someone else did. Phone calls can only last as 1054 00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,320 long as the other person on the other line is willing to talk. 1055 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:03,600 So maybe she hung up on him. Yes, which is bending the truth 1056 00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,720 a little. Bit yeah, it's crazy, and that's 1057 00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:09,360 true. Yeah, it's the quickest breakup, 1058 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,160 but yeah, maybe he was like, I don't know, maybe we should 1059 00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,120 break up. And then she's like, OK, hang 1060 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,000 up. Yeah. 1061 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,400 Like it could have gone on for long. 1062 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,960 Maybe she wanted him to call back. 1063 00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,840 She's like, OK, I'm done with this conversation now. 1064 00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,000 I'm waiting by the phone and he's not calling me back. 1065 00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:28,240 That is so misleading to say it was such a short conversation. 1066 00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:30,320 Makes it sound like he just didn't care. 1067 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,600 If she's the one that ended it, that is. 1068 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,360 That's just lying. Yeah, but also that's not true. 1069 00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,800 He said it can only last as long as the other person on the line. 1070 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:44,720 No, you can end the call. Yeah, like him and. 1071 00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,280 Yeah, but he's implying she hung up. 1072 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,480 Yeah. Which is really misleading. 1073 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,600 Yeah. But I wonder how you would end 1074 00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,640 it really quickly if the other person doesn't hang up? 1075 00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,800 Like, would you just say, hey, I want to break up and then. 1076 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,920 All right, bye. About this, I think we should 1077 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:05,680 just be friends, OK? 27 seconds is a short time to 1078 00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,400 get into it. I think she's going. 1079 00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:10,960 To say like. Hey, I'll talk to you. 1080 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,480 Hi. How are you? 1081 00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,400 Hey, I think we should break up but and then to naturally. 1082 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,520 I also wonder, maybe it was like a texting conversation and then 1083 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,960 there was like a quick phone call to confirm like, OK, this 1084 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,360 is it. Yeah, and maybe she's like, 1085 00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,080 you're seriously breaking up with me. 1086 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,720 Yeah, well, I'm hanging up on you or something. 1087 00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,720 I wonder like how long it took till they were even official. 1088 00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:39,440 It's like 3 months but pretty quick. 1089 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,440 But they're on tour. They're on tour. 1090 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:46,520 Yeah, what a roller coaster. So awkwardly, December on New 1091 00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,320 Year's Eve, Taylor and Joe were both guests on Nick Clarke Rock 1092 00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,440 and New Year's Eve, with Ryan Seacrest performing separately, 1093 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,320 and Taylor actually performed forever and always with Joe 1094 00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,360 there in attendance. And then when the ball dropped, 1095 00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,440 they're standing on opposite sides of the stage of Ryan 1096 00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:03,080 Seacrest. And. 1097 00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,320 It's like really cold. Outside I did that on. 1098 00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,880 Purpose so awkward and it's like the whole world knows that they 1099 00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:13,480 have drama already. So then in 2009, the Jonas 1100 00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,520 Brothers released the song Much Better, which seemed to say that 1101 00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,880 Camilla Bell is much better than Taylor. 1102 00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,080 That's that's unnecessary. I know. 1103 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,240 And it was a bad song. I didn't like him. 1104 00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,840 I don't even know it. The song starts out by saying I 1105 00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,760 got a Rep for Breaking Hearts. Now I'm done with Superstars and 1106 00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,880 all the tears on her guitar. I'm not better. 1107 00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,920 That's so obviously Taylor. And then he says. 1108 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,720 But now I see everything I'd ever need is the girl right in 1109 00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:38,280 front of me. She's much better. 1110 00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,200 That's just mean. I know I mean. 1111 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,280 She did kind of start a feud, I guess because of all the public. 1112 00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:45,520 Cashing. On him. 1113 00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:49,320 And she wrote a song. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. 1114 00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:53,000 But like if I would say normally if you break up with someone, 1115 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,680 you shouldn't be talking all of. Them it does, it doesn't look. 1116 00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,040 Just take the yellow just like. Hmm. 1117 00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,120 What did I say? Turning the knife for what's? 1118 00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:02,640 The phrase. Yeah, twisting the knife. 1119 00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:04,440 Twisting the knife, Yeah. Salt. 1120 00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:08,080 Salt in the wound, yeah. You do something shitty, they do 1121 00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,760 something back. You don't do another shitty 1122 00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,680 thing back. This is turning into a few. 1123 00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,640 Yeah, it is. And then Taylor also in 2009 1124 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,760 November she hosted SNL and she mentions Joe in her monologue. 1125 00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,840 I like writing songs about douchebags who cheat on me, but 1126 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,360 I'm not going to say that in my monologue. 1127 00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,720 I like writing their names into songs so they're ashamed to go 1128 00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:36,760 in public, but I'm not going to say that in my monologue. 1129 00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:48,600 La La La La La La La La. This is my musical monologue. 1130 00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,080 You might think I'd bring up Joe, that guy who broke up with 1131 00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:59,720 me on the phone, but I'm not going to mention him in my 1132 00:56:59,720 --> 00:57:02,040 monologue. Hey Joe, I'm doing real well 1133 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:08,280 tonight. I'm hosting SNL in my monologue 1134 00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:14,840 LA. La La ha ha ha ha. 1135 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,120 Ha ha ha ha ha. Wow, she's pissed. 1136 00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,080 It's also very. Juvenile. 1137 00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,480 Well, yeah, 'cause this seems like a year later. 1138 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,440 And also, it's just like, get over it. 1139 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:32,200 I don't know, like you're singing this during your SNL 1140 00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,600 monologue, You're bringing this up. 1141 00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,280 Is it a year later? It's more than a year. 1142 00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:38,880 Let's see, when did they break up? 1143 00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:43,200 I think it was like, oh, she went on Ellen in November 2008, 1144 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,840 and then this was November 2009. So it's like a year after she 1145 00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,360 told the world about it. But it could be, you know, a 1146 00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:51,480 year. Or a little. 1147 00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,040 Or a little more after. Yeah, this is after the whole 1148 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,800 Kanye thing. Like Taylor's really becoming a 1149 00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:02,560 bigger star now. Very deeply upset about that, I 1150 00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:07,880 know. And then in 2010, October, 1151 00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,200 Taylor Taylor released her third album, Speak Now. 1152 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:16,480 Okay. I mean, I, I feel for her. 1153 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,920 Like, yeah, I can relate, but I also wouldn't, I would not dare 1154 00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:24,440 make it so known that yeah, I'm that upset about something a 1155 00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,480 year later. Yeah, but I guess when you're on 1156 00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,760 SNL, you're like trying to think of things to include in the 1157 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,960 monologue and like, because then she brings up Taylor. 1158 00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,040 She says, like Taylor Lautner, who she's rumored to be dating 1159 00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:36,920 at this time. What could she? 1160 00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,120 Mostly say about. Her she brings up Kanye. 1161 00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:41,520 Oh, so the next verses are about. 1162 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:42,560 Others. Yeah, It's like, if you're 1163 00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:46,680 wondering if I might be dating the werewolf from Twilight, you 1164 00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,600 know, I don't. She like, says, I'm not going to 1165 00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:50,800 comment on that. And then she like, blows a kiss. 1166 00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,600 OK, it's she's like. All right, at least she 1167 00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,960 technically has moved on. Yes, yeah, she has a new guy. 1168 00:58:58,320 --> 00:58:59,920 Yeah. Looks like she's not over it, 1169 00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:03,840 but she moved on. Yes, still we're moving at this 1170 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,160 point. Supposedly the John Mayer stuff 1171 00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,360 is also. Yeah, exactly. 1172 00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,400 Is it? So it's yeah. 1173 00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,720 Or that other guy or whatever. Mm hmm, I don't know. 1174 00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,280 Maybe she's just playing it up. I think she is, yeah. 1175 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,160 OK, then she can't. I think she's playing it up 1176 00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,600 because it's something that the people at home know about. 1177 00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,760 So it's like you have to kind of appeal to like what like most 1178 00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:30,520 people associate with you. So in 2010 October, Taylor 1179 00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:34,640 Taylor released her third studio album, Speak Now, and she seems 1180 00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,760 to respond to the song much better with the cleverly titled 1181 00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,520 song Better Than Revenge. So it's like much better. 1182 00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:46,200 Better than revenge. So the word better and this is a 1183 00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,360 song directed at Camila Belle, who Taylor accused of stealing 1184 00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:53,000 her boyfriend. And the hidden message because 1185 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,120 Taylor used to write like a hidden message in her songs was 1186 00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,840 you thought I Yes, Yeah, she wrote. 1187 00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:03,080 You thought I would forget. And I should mention that I 1188 01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,920 didn't realize that's Camila Belle and Joe Jonas only dated 1189 01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,840 for like 7 months. So they were a really short 1190 01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,400 relationship like at this. Point longer than theirs. 1191 01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,040 Yes, longer than theirs, but at this point Camilla Bell and Joe 1192 01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:18,160 Jonas are broken up. So this like what song is going 1193 01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,040 after her? Like she's like, I'm not even 1194 01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:25,160 dating that guy anymore. I'm crying about the break of 1195 01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,480 two now I can. Remind still. 1196 01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,120 Playing a song out like it's its own work of. 1197 01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:31,640 Remind Music. But. 1198 01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:35,800 Of the Olivia Rodrigo and Sabrina Carpenter thing in her 1199 01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,640 song 'cause I Liked a Boy, she said. 1200 01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,400 We were all we were already broken up when this all went 1201 01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,440 down. Yeah, like why are you bringing 1202 01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:46,360 this up? I don't think it's a, it has to 1203 01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,600 be like fitting into a timeline. It's just, it's this thing you 1204 01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:50,920 wrote and then you decide to put it. 1205 01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,440 Out there, I thought it just. But I think you don't need to 1206 01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,920 have the hidden message 'cause I'm guessing by the time she put 1207 01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,480 the message in the lyric book, yeah, yeah, probably already 1208 01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,280 over right. So that that seems a. 1209 01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,160 Little weird. So just like you had a song on 1210 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,000 Fearless about him and then it's the next album you have another 1211 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,440 song about. You have so many other 1212 01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:11,520 relationships to pick from at this point. 1213 01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:16,760 And then, yeah, the song sings. She's not a St. and she's not 1214 01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,120 what she thinks. She's an actress. 1215 01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,320 Whoa. She's better known for the 1216 01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,000 things that she does on the mattress. 1217 01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,520 That's what that's about. Yeah. 1218 01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,720 Which is like we suspect. I know, I know, but I mean, they 1219 01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:32,160 didn't even have sex technically 'cause he's a but maybe they had 1220 01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:34,040 a different, like, what is sex? You know? 1221 01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:36,680 I feel like I shouldn't even be saying that. 1222 01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,960 No, soon she's going to find stealing other people's toys on 1223 01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,120 the playground won't make her any friends. 1224 01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,240 She should keep in mind. She should keep in mind there's 1225 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,360 nothing I do better than revenge. 1226 01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,760 But she said she. Was better than revenge. 1227 01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,560 No, there's nothing I do better than revenge. 1228 01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,000 And she said she she really paints Camilla as like a preppy, 1229 01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,680 snobby mean girl. Like she says like she lives her 1230 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:03,080 life like it's a party and I'm on the list and she's on the 1231 01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:04,800 list. Like, she looks at me like I'm a 1232 01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,040 trend and she's so over it. They wouldn't teach you in prep 1233 01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:12,000 school, but it's up to me. No amount of vintage dresses 1234 01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,720 gives you dignity. Just pull that from my memory. 1235 01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,720 Wow. I feel kind of bad for Camilla 1236 01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:21,200 at this point because Taylor is a bigger celebrity and true, but 1237 01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,320 we didn't like her either. But I wonder if we were 1238 01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:25,400 influenced by this. Maybe. 1239 01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,560 We just didn't want her with Rob. 1240 01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:34,200 No crazy Twilight fans. And flash forward in 2016 when 1241 01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,240 Katie and Taylor were rumored to be feuding Katy Perry. 1242 01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:42,480 Katie tweeted, finding it ironic to parade the pit women against 1243 01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:47,360 other women when 1 unmeasurably capitalizes on the takedown of 1244 01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,600 other women. I think I there's a typo in 1245 01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:53,000 there somewhere. Bad Blood was completely about 1246 01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,760 women against. Yeah, So like, I think, I think 1247 01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,200 Taylor said something like don't pit women against each other. 1248 01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,600 And then Katie tweeted, Like, I find it ironic that someone's 1249 01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:05,080 saying that when, like, they capitalize on pitting themselves 1250 01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,080 against. Yeah, well, I think Katie just 1251 01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,240 felt like, like, you made this whole bad blood music video 1252 01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,000 about me or like, made people think it's about me. 1253 01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,720 And yet you're like, doing this. Like, don't pit women against. 1254 01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,520 I forget what was the actual bad blood potentially. 1255 01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:21,000 About, I think it was revealed that it actually was, it was 1256 01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:24,840 about a guy, but that she felt pressured to not have a song 1257 01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,680 about a guy because she was getting the criticism that all 1258 01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:28,880 her songs were about breakups or whatever. 1259 01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,560 So she just made it look like it was about a friend. 1260 01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,040 Is that right? Yes, yeah. 1261 01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:38,360 So then during this whole Taylor Swift's over party, Camilla 1262 01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:41,440 tweeted, no need for revenge, just sit back and wait. 1263 01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,360 Those who hurt you will eventually screw up themselves 1264 01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,240 and if you're lucky, God will let you watch. 1265 01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,040 Oh, I should have mentioned she responded to Katie and said 1266 01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:50,720 couldn't have said it better myself. 1267 01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,240 No, she's like, couldn't have said it better dot dot dot, 1268 01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,760 which is better than revenge. Much better. 1269 01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,600 So Caddy I. Know she's but she's probably 1270 01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,520 like I've been waiting for this day like I better like her her 1271 01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,280 career that like all these Taylor fans Taylor Swift fans 1272 01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,520 like hated her what career I know. 1273 01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:13,720 No fans, sorry. A good point, yeah. 1274 01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:18,080 But I think I will say even before this, I think Taylor did 1275 01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,960 personally regret the song Better Than Revenge, she shared 1276 01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,680 in an interview in 2014. I was 18 when I wrote that. 1277 01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,280 That's the age you are when you think someone can actually take 1278 01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,480 your boyfriend. Then you grow up and realize no 1279 01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,120 one can take someone from you if they don't want to leave. 1280 01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,040 Yeah. I think that's smart. 1281 01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,880 I mean it is true to say think like she was 18. 1282 01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,920 Yeah. She was a teenager, got to give 1283 01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,800 her a pass for that. Yeah, and then years later, in 1284 01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,720 2023, Taylor re recorded the song and changed the lyric, the 1285 01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,440 mattress lyric to he was a moth to the flame. 1286 01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,720 She was holding the matches. I don't like that she did that. 1287 01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,120 That's not the song. Rewriting History. 1288 01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,920 Like own it, you made said that lyric own it. 1289 01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,520 But now she has her masters back. 1290 01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,320 So the original lyric is now like the. 1291 01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,840 Canon. Well, yeah, but she did sing 1292 01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:13,200 this song in concert during the Arrows tour, and she sang like 1293 01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,120 the new lyric, but the audience sang the old one. 1294 01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,960 And also on Speak Now was the song Last Kiss, which is also 1295 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,120 speculated to be about Joe. Once again in the song, she 1296 01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,080 seems to struggle with the idea that he said he loved her and 1297 01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:28,760 then switched up. She said. 1298 01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:30,880 I still remember the look on your face lit through the 1299 01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:34,480 darkness at 1:58, the words that you whispered for just us to 1300 01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,680 know. You told me you loved me, so why 1301 01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,520 did you go away? When did this come out? 1302 01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:43,040 In 2010. So how do we know it's about him 1303 01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:49,080 and not about somebody else? Somehow people know something 1304 01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:52,200 about that date. There's a date they sing July 1305 01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,960 9th. I think that like somehow links 1306 01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:59,280 to Joe Jonas OK. And I really think it's a 1307 01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,280 beautiful song. The lyrics also say, so I'll 1308 01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,640 watch your life in pictures like I used to watch you sleep and I 1309 01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,240 feel you forget me like I used to feel you breathe. 1310 01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:14,280 And I'll keep up with our old friends just to ask them how you 1311 01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:16,600 are. Hope it's nice where you are. 1312 01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:22,760 That is well. Written and then 2011 September 1313 01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:27,160 Joe attended Taylors Speak Now concert in San Jose and at this 1314 01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,960 time Taylor wrote lyrics on her arms for the shows and the 1315 01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:34,680 lyrics this time was the lyric. After all we've been through. 1316 01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,880 I know we're cool, which is like the Gwen Stefani lyric, but it 1317 01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:43,000 seems like directed at show and this is around the time when 1318 01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,400 Taylor is working on her fourth album red. 1319 01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,520 And people speculate that the song Holy Ground could be about 1320 01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:52,040 Joe because the hidden lyric and that message is when you came to 1321 01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:57,680 the show in SD. But SD is San Diego, but he came 1322 01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,880 to the show in San Jose. Yeah, what that? 1323 01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:05,320 But South Dakota? Maybe I I was like, I don't 1324 01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:10,880 really think she played in San Diego, but maybe SJ didn't work 1325 01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:13,800 in the lyrics with the hidden message. 1326 01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,920 Yeah. Or maybe she mixed up the cities 1327 01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:20,000 that. Seems like a stretch to me. 1328 01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,280 Why would she still be writing about Joe? 1329 01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,400 No offense. Maybe she coming up. 1330 01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:26,000 Maybe he was. The love of her life. 1331 01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:30,360 Oh. My gosh, even still. 1332 01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:34,520 Is this post Jake Gyne Hall 2 or is it still not yet? 1333 01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:36,520 Because I thought that was like her big. 1334 01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:40,840 Love, but I think Taylor does kind of capitalize off of having 1335 01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,120 multiple characters for the song. 1336 01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,160 Should we not even take it seriously? 1337 01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:47,520 Like maybe she's not even super in love with them. 1338 01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,200 Maybe. I mean, this is also post John 1339 01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:55,520 Mayer and it might be post, it's post Conor Kennedy. 1340 01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:57,320 Like there's like so many different people. 1341 01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:00,320 And yeah, I don't know. I I think she kind of like, it's 1342 01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,960 almost like a mystery. So maybe they're cool, but she's 1343 01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,320 just, I don't. Know looking back on just forgot 1344 01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:12,520 what city I I yeah San Diego it's possible musicians tour so 1345 01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,840 many cities it probably all blends together. 1346 01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,359 But writing a message like that, like when you came to the show 1347 01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:21,160 in Blank, it does imply to us listeners that it is about a 1348 01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,399 real person. Sounds just like a feeling that 1349 01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:27,760 you like me, you know? So then like that also had the 1350 01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,720 song We are Never ever getting back together that album. 1351 01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,200 And Joe went on ADC radio show and was asked if that song was 1352 01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:35,720 about him. And he said I don't think we've 1353 01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:37,880 ever tried to get back together another time. 1354 01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:40,439 So I can tell you it's not about me. 1355 01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,200 That said, I think this song is great. 1356 01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:44,920 Taylor does pop music really well and I'm happy for her. 1357 01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:46,840 Oh. My God, that's great. 1358 01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:50,600 She also said, I haven't really spoken to her recently, but I 1359 01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:54,399 was able to go to her concert last year and her show live is 1360 01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:56,600 so phenomenal. I would say anybody should go 1361 01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,680 see her if they have a chance. I don't think we've tried to 1362 01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,920 give. Kind of a diz. 1363 01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,760 I mean, they were really. Just keeping it real. 1364 01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,359 I mean, she did the whole Ellen thing it seems. 1365 01:09:08,359 --> 01:09:11,240 Like early. After SO then they're not in 1366 01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,720 good terms, so it makes sense why they wouldn't. 1367 01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:18,240 In 2015, he was asked about Taylor writing songs about him, 1368 01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:21,080 and he said that's part of being a musician, I guess you write 1369 01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:22,520 songs about each other. She's great. 1370 01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,200 Yeah. We're friends in the industry. 1371 01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:26,279 You meet a lot of people and you can stay in touch. 1372 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,520 Obviously, it's tough to be friends with people that are 1373 01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,560 always constantly traveling, but yeah, we're cool. 1374 01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:33,560 So it's like, friendly. Like, we're in the industry. 1375 01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,760 We're like colleagues in a way, Yeah. 1376 01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:39,439 Seems like it's fizzling out. In the morning, yeah, June of 1377 01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:43,600 2015, Joe began dating Taylor's good friend Gigi Hadid and they 1378 01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,680 go on a date day trip to London with Taylor and her then 1379 01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:50,800 boyfriend Calvin Harris. So weird, along with her friend 1380 01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:54,120 Karlie Kloss and they all take a picture on a boat together. 1381 01:09:54,440 --> 01:09:58,000 That's a group. Karlie Kloss was there with no. 1382 01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:00,600 With no one. Yeah, I'll show you guys the 1383 01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:04,600 picture. No one on your arm, Karlie 1384 01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,520 Kloss. I'm sure the Gaylord fan's 1385 01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,480 Wheeling, yeah. I've looked into that a lot. 1386 01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:14,040 I weirdly liked Taylor with Calvin Harris. 1387 01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:16,720 I don't really know. If you have any thoughts on it, 1388 01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:18,760 I don't know. Anything about it, but you 1389 01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:20,760 should cover it at least at the time. 1390 01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:24,240 Wow, this is the photo. Oh, they're gonna bow. 1391 01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,200 They're coupled up and then Karlie Kloss is just in the 1392 01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:30,280 middle in. The middle We've also covered 1393 01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:34,640 Karlie Kloss on the podcast, her relationship with Joshua 1394 01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,960 Kushner. I started getting a crush on 1395 01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:43,640 Joshua. I know he's cute. 1396 01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:47,400 I know he is cute. Then July Joe and Gigi go to 1397 01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:51,280 Taylor's 4th of July party and Rhode Island together. 1398 01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:55,840 In 2016, Joe went on Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen and 1399 01:10:55,840 --> 01:11:01,480 he played Plead the 5th and he was asked to play like Shag 1400 01:11:01,480 --> 01:11:05,720 Marry kill his ex's edition, which was I'll just play you a 1401 01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:08,120 cup, I guess. Bring it on. 1402 01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:10,120 I don't care. Marry, shag. 1403 01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:15,080 Kill Joe Jonas. Ex's Edition. 1404 01:11:16,440 --> 01:11:18,400 Taylor Swift. OK. 1405 01:11:18,440 --> 01:11:24,320 Demi Lovato and Gigi Hadid. You marry 1, you kill 1. 1406 01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:25,760 You shag one. Yeah. 1407 01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:31,280 Oh, Mary Demi, his friend, yes. Oh. 1408 01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:34,280 This is a game, right? Yes. 1409 01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:39,720 OK. Shag Taylor killed them. 1410 01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:41,600 Gigi. OK, There you go. 1411 01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:43,760 Very good. Thank you very much. 1412 01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:47,640 He did. He actually wanted to kill Demi, 1413 01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:48,960 but he was. Kid, I know. 1414 01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:52,280 He knew he was struggled. He literally. 1415 01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:58,560 Said Demi killed Demi Gigi. Why would he kill a Gigi? 1416 01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:02,440 I don't know it's. Just gave him more recent ex. 1417 01:12:02,440 --> 01:12:06,480 Yeah, I didn't hesitate. I know usually they're like, no, 1418 01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,840 I'm doing. That no. 1419 01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:13,840 Interesting. And then May 2019, Taylor was on 1420 01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:16,800 Ellen and she was playing a game where she answers questions and 1421 01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:19,840 Ellen asked her what was the most rebellious thing that you 1422 01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,280 ever did as a teenager? And Taylor answered, probably 1423 01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:24,800 want to put Joe Jonas on blast on your show. 1424 01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:29,200 And Ellen had no idea what she was talking about. 1425 01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,640 She's like, what? I have like no recollection of 1426 01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:34,480 that. That's so funny. 1427 01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,200 It's so funny because it was like a big. 1428 01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:40,080 Moment I feel like I know Ellen does a lot of episodes, meets a 1429 01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:42,920 lot of people. It's been years, but yeah, why 1430 01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:46,520 don't you remember that? No. 1431 01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:48,920 And then Taylor was like, that was too much. 1432 01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:51,680 Yeah, that was too much. I was 18, she said. 1433 01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:54,000 We love about it now, but that was mouthy. 1434 01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:59,240 Just teenage stuff here. She's honest and self aware. 1435 01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:02,960 And 2020, Joe and his son, wife Sophie Turner. 1436 01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:06,680 Sophie Turner welcomed a baby girl named Willa. 1437 01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:10,280 And afterwards on Taylor's Folklore album, she had a lyric 1438 01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:13,680 in her song Invisible String that goes cold was the steel of 1439 01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,200 my axe to grind for the boys who broke my heart. 1440 01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,880 Now I send their baby's presents, which we think is 1441 01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:24,360 about her sending Joe Jonas. That might be the only one. 1442 01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:29,240 Yeah, that had a baby, probably. And then in 2021, Taylor re 1443 01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:32,920 recorded her Fearless album which included a vault track 1444 01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:37,120 called Mr. Perfectly Fine which was supposedly about Joe Jonas 1445 01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:40,960 and about the song Taylor tweeted me in 2020. 1446 01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:43,440 Life is chill. Writing songs based in fiction 1447 01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:45,240 to avoid drama. Feeling pretty grown up. 1448 01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:49,640 My 2008 music from the vault in a Goblin voice release. 1449 01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:51,400 Mr. Perfect. I'm fine. 1450 01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:59,280 Wow, good character voicemail. That's my. 1451 01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:04,640 Goblin voice, I guess that is. So millennial Taylor, I feel. 1452 01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,800 Like, yeah. She isn't willing. 1453 01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,360 I know. Shut up. 1454 01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:13,720 And then Sophie Joe's wife tweeted or shared a story. 1455 01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:15,480 I'm I'm not really sure, she said. 1456 01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:20,680 I mean, it's not not a bop like with the screenshot of the song. 1457 01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:24,440 And Taylor replied forever bending to the knee of the Queen 1458 01:14:24,440 --> 01:14:26,080 of the North. I haven't watched Game of 1459 01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:29,200 Thrones, but so it's like, oh, like we're friends. 1460 01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:35,040 Like, I'm really close with which I wonder if Taylor's still 1461 01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:36,960 friends with Gigi, if that's weird too. 1462 01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,520 It's like, probably this is not just your ex-boyfriend, but it's 1463 01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:42,080 your friend's ex-boyfriend. Yeah, that. 1464 01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:43,480 Is odd. I don't think they are. 1465 01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:47,880 That's funny that that's a reference to Game of Thrones. 1466 01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:51,040 And then with the like lively stuff, it was like, Oh my 1467 01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,240 dragon. I know, true. 1468 01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:55,560 And I wonder if they watch Game of Thrones together. 1469 01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:57,440 It's kind of weird to think about. 1470 01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:59,840 That's so true. Yeah, I wouldn't. 1471 01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,080 I think of Taylor is someone that would be into Game of 1472 01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,240 Thrones. She must be but. 1473 01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,640 A lot of people I. Mean maybe she just knows that 1474 01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,720 from osmosis of, you know, the culture. 1475 01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,280 Like you wouldn't say that though if you didn't watch the 1476 01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:14,040 show. No, because that's all she 1477 01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:14,640 really. No. 1478 01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:18,880 For Sophie Turner, no offense. No, but I think you would feel 1479 01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,640 super uncomfortable. I would never quote a show. 1480 01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:24,120 I've never seen. What if she talking? 1481 01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:26,680 What if she was talking to Amelia Carp and you're like bow 1482 01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:29,720 to the Mother of Dragon? Think about a show that you 1483 01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:33,520 don't watch and now like try to imagine saying something like 1484 01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:35,480 some kind of reference to a show that. 1485 01:15:35,480 --> 01:15:37,280 You don't watch. That would just be I would feel 1486 01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:39,440 like. Maybe she, I don't know, she 1487 01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:41,640 definitely watched it. Yeah, I bet. 1488 01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:46,000 OK, anyway. Then in 2020, two, 2022 during a 1489 01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:49,200 Vegas performance of Much Better, which is like not a 1490 01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:50,560 great song. I'm surprised they're still 1491 01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,520 playing that song. Joe changed the lyrics to Now 1492 01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,760 I'm cool with Superstars rather than Now I'm done with 1493 01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,000 Superstars. Interesting. 1494 01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:02,640 So it's like we're mature. OK, Yeah. 1495 01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:06,840 That doesn't make sense. I know now I'm cool with 1496 01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:08,480 superstars, but she's much better than you. 1497 01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:10,160 Yeah. It's like the song. 1498 01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:12,280 Yeah, it doesn't make sense. Just keep it. 1499 01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:15,720 And Joe was asked if you'd be buying Era's tour tickets for 1500 01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,360 his wife, and he said, you know what, that's a great idea. 1501 01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:20,200 Is it still an option? She would love that. 1502 01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:21,560 I'll get in line now. She. 1503 01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:23,440 Can buy her own tickets. Yeah. 1504 01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:27,360 What? That's a That's such an awkward 1505 01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:29,200 question. Yeah, probably not. 1506 01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:32,920 I know feels. Like he has to say something, 1507 01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:34,480 yeah. I know, seriously. 1508 01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:40,720 So in 2023 Taylor performed a medley a Mr. Perfectly Fine and 1509 01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,040 Better Than Revenge during the Eras tour. 1510 01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:46,120 So it's like 2 Joe songs together? 1511 01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:48,000 That's interesting. And then? 1512 01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,920 September of that year, following the announcement of 1513 01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:54,400 Joe and Sophie's separation, Sophie later revealed that 1514 01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:58,320 Taylor offered Sophie and her children to stay at Taylor's 1515 01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,160 apartment in New York at the time. 1516 01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:03,160 And she said, I've never been more grateful to anyone than I 1517 01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:06,240 am for her because she took my children and me and provided us 1518 01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:09,640 with a home and a safe space, which I feel like Taylor, maybe 1519 01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:12,600 it's not the like apartment that we all know of as Taylor's 1520 01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:14,920 apartment because I feel like that would not be a safe space. 1521 01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:16,840 She. Definitely is more than one. 1522 01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:18,200 Yeah, she must. She gets. 1523 01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:19,960 Bored. More than one? 1524 01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:24,200 Wow, are they even that close? That's so interesting. 1525 01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:25,200 I don't know. Wow. 1526 01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:27,600 Size. Maybe she's just waiting for 1527 01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:29,160 that to happen. I know. 1528 01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:32,520 And then Taylor and Sophie were also photographed by paparazzi 1529 01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:36,120 several times during this time, like, going out, which seemed 1530 01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:40,440 very calculated, like maybe a deliberate sign of solidarity, 1531 01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:43,760 especially since there were a ton of stories at this time 1532 01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:47,880 circulating that painted Sophie in a bad light, like, 1533 01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:51,280 potentially being, like, an absent mother. 1534 01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:54,120 Yeah. So people thought maybe that 1535 01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:57,600 was, like, Joe's PR team and maybe Joe's, like, an asshole 1536 01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,840 and, like, wanted to make her look bad. 1537 01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:03,960 So it was like Taylor Swift is like making Sophie look good by 1538 01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:07,280 being friends with her and but it seemed very on purpose. 1539 01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:09,800 Yeah, because we never really saw them hanging out before. 1540 01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,480 And then all of a sudden while Sophie Turner is in the news and 1541 01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:16,320 she's out and about with her. Yeah, it did seem kind of forced 1542 01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:19,240 to me. And that's kind of Taylors move 1543 01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:22,280 after a breakup, like when her and Joe Allen broke up. 1544 01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:28,040 She goes out walking around. Out walking, we don't see you 1545 01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:30,400 most of the time. But then when someone has a 1546 01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:34,520 breakup, yeah, Gigi was there. Like lively and high. 1547 01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:38,160 Yeah, it's so true. Like all year we don't really 1548 01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:40,320 see you. And then when a breakup or 1549 01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,640 something big happens, is like her and the girl in the. 1550 01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:46,520 Town. Yeah, it's like, it's the 1551 01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:49,440 version of like, oh, I want to post a picture on Instagram to 1552 01:18:49,440 --> 01:18:52,400 make my ex jealous, maybe. So if he's like, yeah, I want to 1553 01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:56,320 like, post, or I want a paparazzi photo. 1554 01:18:56,560 --> 01:19:00,200 Make him know I'm living my life and I'm with Taylor Swift and so 1555 01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:02,920 everyone's going to love me 'cause I'm Taylor's new BFF. 1556 01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:06,680 It, I mean, maybe they were friendly. 1557 01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:09,800 They did the whole 4th of July thing. 1558 01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:11,880 Oh yeah. But it is weird. 1559 01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:14,880 Sophie Turner wasn't there, wasn't she? 1560 01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:16,320 No. That was when he was with Gigi, 1561 01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:18,400 right? Oh yeah, yeah, that was when. 1562 01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,720 He was with Gigi. OK then yeah. 1563 01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:22,320 How do they really know each other then? 1564 01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,400 It's like, why are you now hanging out with your ex 1565 01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:28,240 husband's ex-girlfriend? I mean, I guess she sent their 1566 01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:30,600 baby a present. But that's because of Joe. 1567 01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:33,560 It's not like she was really friends with Sophie as far as 1568 01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:35,760 we're aware. Yeah, I think Sophie was a fan 1569 01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:39,040 of Taylor, and Taylor might be a fan of Sophie, but yeah, I don't 1570 01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:41,480 know how close of friends they really were. 1571 01:19:41,480 --> 01:19:44,160 Yeah, it doesn't seem seem like she makes friends in a very 1572 01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,360 organic way. She just like. 1573 01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:49,120 Reaches out. Reaches out like, hey, I think 1574 01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:51,200 it'd be like, good for us to be friends. 1575 01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:53,600 For something like let's hang out. 1576 01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:57,160 Yeah. And then they do one walk down 1577 01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,440 the street to a restaurant and then that's like. 1578 01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:01,520 It and then suddenly there's like the. 1579 01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,640 Pictures Have you recently seen Taylor with Sophie Turner? 1580 01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:10,720 No, I don't think so, no. But I don't think they're, like, 1581 01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:15,520 good friends, yeah. And that's kind of it for Taylor 1582 01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:16,960 and Joe. I don't know if they're like, 1583 01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:20,080 cool now. Yeah, 'cause she definitely 1584 01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:22,360 picks sides. And then of course. 1585 01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:24,480 Probably not cool. Probably not cool. 1586 01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:26,480 Yeah, it's. Kind of funny. 1587 01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:30,240 She really had it out for him. And then they're like, cool. 1588 01:20:31,480 --> 01:20:34,760 And then it's like, I was waiting to not like him again. 1589 01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:36,920 Yeah. I think that's it. 1590 01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:42,520 Finally, Taylor has like, she's like feuds and then short lived 1591 01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:44,720 reconciliations. For real. 1592 01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,880 And then the feud opens. Up again. 1593 01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:51,040 Wow. I'd still get back together. 1594 01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:55,520 That's a pretty damn low. I think so that would be. 1595 01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:59,360 Crazy. You were like, what if he was 1596 01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:03,200 her soulmate? No, I mean maybe she thought 1597 01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:04,960 that. I doubt she still does, but 1598 01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:07,680 like, it was a couple years later, yeah. 1599 01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:11,360 I'm gonna say 1% never say never. 1600 01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:16,840 Yeah, true. Yeah, Yeah. 1601 01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:19,240 I mean, I feel like if they did get back together, it'd be like 1602 01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:23,000 a Fleetwood Mac situation where it's like way later. 1603 01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:25,800 Yeah. Like 65 in China. 1604 01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:27,880 Like in their 40s. I mean, they're almost there, 1605 01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:31,080 but. I'll, I'll say like 3% chance. 1606 01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:32,400 Oh. Minor. 1607 01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:35,240 I yeah, I could kind of see it happening. 1608 01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:36,320 I could kind of see it too, I feel. 1609 01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:38,440 Like Taylor, it's interesting she's had all these 1610 01:21:38,440 --> 01:21:42,080 relationships, but like, I mean, I know she must have broken up 1611 01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:45,880 and gone back together with people because of her songs, but 1612 01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:49,560 to our knowledge she's never had like a public getting back 1613 01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,240 together with an ex. She's a really double dip. 1614 01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,600 No, she's never double dipped, no. 1615 01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:58,880 I mean, now she's been with Travis for how many years? 1616 01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:00,480 Like 2? I think so. 1617 01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:04,320 Feels like forever. I feel like she is a hopeless 1618 01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,160 romantic, or at least she was. I'm not really sure about how 1619 01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:09,280 she is now. Yeah, I think, I think there's 1620 01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:13,320 still a little bit of it there, but I feel like she is, I think 1621 01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:16,480 she does see herself or wants to be a very powerful woman. 1622 01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:19,560 So I can see her not being the type to like go back to someone, 1623 01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:22,480 you know. Yeah, like she she can't be. 1624 01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:24,880 I don't know if it's just for appearances or if it's just her 1625 01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:29,200 own belief, but I, and I'm just, I could totally just be making 1626 01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:33,920 this up, but I just can't really see her being willing to go 1627 01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,000 through something like that, you know what I mean? 1628 01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,200 Yeah. Where people are like what? 1629 01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:40,840 I wonder who came back what? Ex. 1630 01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,200 She'd be most likely to go back to. 1631 01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:48,960 I'm gonna say, Joan, I was. Thinking that, yeah, 'cause that 1632 01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:52,320 was a long time. She was so in love with him too. 1633 01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:56,200 Yeah. Like lover I love. 1634 01:22:56,280 --> 01:23:00,440 Burn no almonds. I listen to the podcast I. 1635 01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:06,120 Think so too. I think Joe and then maybe Eddie 1636 01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:08,360 heal. I was thinking that, well, she 1637 01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:10,880 has burned a lot of bridges with these people though. 1638 01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,480 Some of them. I feel like Joe. 1639 01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:14,160 John Mayer? Never. 1640 01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:16,520 That would. Be great. 1641 01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:22,760 John Hall? No, I think Connor Kennedy, they 1642 01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:26,440 have to be interested too. Not Taylor Lautner. 1643 01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:28,400 Lautner. He's married. 1644 01:23:28,480 --> 01:23:29,800 I. Don't think Jake Gyllenhaal 1645 01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:32,680 cares at all, no. I think it's just Joe. 1646 01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:35,640 Not that we know what. About I don't think Harry Styles 1647 01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:39,200 never, no. Never Calvin Harris either. 1648 01:23:39,480 --> 01:23:42,840 I think it's Joe Allen. Joe Allen, Yeah, I agree. 1649 01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,040 They were together for way longer than anything for other 1650 01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:48,160 relationships too. That does make me kind. 1651 01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:51,400 Of sad, maybe Tom Hiddleston. He's married with kids. 1652 01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:57,080 Oh, oh, did she give him I? Totally forgot. 1653 01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:58,400 Oh yeah, true. Oh, more recent? 1654 01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:01,560 I totally forgot she dated him. Too. 1655 01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:03,920 That was like a month. There's like 5 more episodes we 1656 01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,840 could do. I think that would be a quickie, 1657 01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:08,200 yeah, Yeah. But. 1658 01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:11,120 The reason why you can do Taylor show so many times is because 1659 01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:14,640 all the people she's dated are like also famous so. 1660 01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:18,760 Yeah, because I don't know, I think partly to get people to 1661 01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:21,640 listen, but people are less likely to be interested if they 1662 01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:23,560 don't know the other. Person which we. 1663 01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:27,440 Still do it sometimes, yeah, but it helps when the other person 1664 01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:30,920 is famous too. Yeah, and she says Andrea has 1665 01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:32,880 dated a lot of people. That's just a fact. 1666 01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:34,640 Yeah. And pretend like. 1667 01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:38,040 She's dated more A list celebrities than most people. 1668 01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:40,400 Yeah. As a A Lister herself. 1669 01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:44,920 Even the lesser famous ones are still like have name recognition 1670 01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:46,520 or something. Like that I know that's. 1671 01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:50,160 Still a Kennedy. Even someone like Calvin House 1672 01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:52,000 Harrison might be like, I don't really know who that is. 1673 01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:53,520 And then you say, oh, well, this song, this song, this song. 1674 01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,880 Yeah, he's pretty famous too. People who I. 1675 01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:00,880 Didn't know who Joe Allen was until, I like, until he was 1676 01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:02,120 dating Taylor Swift though, yeah. 1677 01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,400 Cuz I don't think his movie had yet to come out. 1678 01:25:05,440 --> 01:25:08,440 I don't even know how he was invited with Matt to be honest. 1679 01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:10,120 The favorite hadn't come out yet. 1680 01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:14,160 No or that I don't think that other movie had come out yet. 1681 01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:21,040 The Billy cuz then she went to his premiere and everyone 1682 01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:23,120 thought she was there for Kristen Stewart cuz she's also 1683 01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:25,440 in the movie so why was he even at the was? 1684 01:25:25,440 --> 01:25:27,560 He a model or something? I don't think so. 1685 01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:28,960 It's very weird. Wow. 1686 01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:31,120 Well, anyway, I'll have to listen back to the episode. 1687 01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:33,640 Anyway, Well, yeah, that's the episode. 1688 01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:37,520 Wow. Oh, who gets custody of you? 1689 01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:38,880 We. Haven't done that in a minute. 1690 01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:41,840 I know. I guess Taylor, I'm not that 1691 01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:44,560 strong. Yeah, I'll split it. 1692 01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:46,640 And what are you gonna say? I would. 1693 01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:50,640 Split custody, but I you can't pick that like I guess I'll say 1694 01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:55,680 Taylor. Yeah, me too, but I'd be OK if 1695 01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:58,880 still visiting Joe on the weekend. 1696 01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:03,400 OK, Wow, that was fun. Thanks, Mel. 1697 01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:06,640 Thank you. Are you going to tease our next 1698 01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:10,240 couple? Next couple got together really 1699 01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:14,880 young and got married really young and had kids really young 1700 01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:20,400 and yeah, I think it's just kind of about getting with someone 1701 01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:22,120 when you're. Young. 1702 01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:27,560 Young and committing to them and what that means and does it 1703 01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:29,680 last? I guess we'll find out. 1704 01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:36,400 It's 2 actors 2. Actors Well, thank you so much 1705 01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:39,680 and we'll get back together in two weeks. 1706 01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:49,400 Bye is your heartbeat with. Pain shall I come?