1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:08,039 Are you lonesome tonight? Do you miss me tonight? 2 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:20,080 Are you sorry we drifted apart? Does your memory all right? 3 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,320 We're back. Hi, guys. 4 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:27,320 Welcome back to Significant Lovers We. 5 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,880 Are your hosts IML? And I'm Kel. 6 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,080 And cousins. Yes, we're cousins. 7 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:38,920 And this is a true love podcast when we look back on couples in 8 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:44,440 pop culture and history. Yes, and it's almost Halloween. 9 00:00:44,480 --> 00:00:47,720 If you're listening to this in real time, you might not be. 10 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,520 You might be listening to this way in the future, but we 11 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:54,960 recorded this to be near Halloween and you know, I like 12 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:59,560 to pick couples when are getting close to the spooky season that 13 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,240 are sort of Halloween themed. It's hard, you know, people, 14 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,680 most people aren't living their life Halloween 24/7. 15 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:07,640 Last year we did. What's his name? 16 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:11,640 Helena Bonham Carter and Tim Burton. 17 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,360 That was Halloween esque. So I picked Nicole Kidman and 18 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:18,120 Tom Cruise because, well, I've wanted to do them for a while. 19 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,240 We've also had them requested a bunch of times. 20 00:01:21,320 --> 00:01:25,560 I wrote down Brittany, Rachel and Felicia have requested them, 21 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,400 but I know some other people have too. 22 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,880 But I feel like they're kind of Halloween esque because there's 23 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:37,520 going to be mentions of aliens, vampires, cults, creepy 24 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,920 behavior. They were in the movie Eyes Wide 25 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,920 Shut Together, which I watched over the weekend. 26 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,560 And that's it's a little creepy. It's kind of like Illuminati 27 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:50,800 vibes. So we can get into the spooky 28 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:52,680 feeling with this couple, I think. 29 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,160 Before we get into the episode, should we share our big 30 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,200 announcement for the podcasts? Yeah, I guess. 31 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,760 I guess so. I mean, what time is better than 32 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,120 now? Yeah, we have a big announcement 33 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:06,600 to make. Huge. 34 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,639 Cute. So a lot of you guys have been 35 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:14,000 following us for years, and we've gone by Kel and Mel, 2 36 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,000 cousins. We started off with our Twilight 37 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:21,040 podcast, Another Bite of Twilight, and we've just been 38 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,240 the two of us podcasting together for seven years. 39 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:30,080 I think, Oh my gosh. Really when we started in 2018 40 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,680 and now it's OK. Six years, six years we've been 41 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,200 podcasting together. That's crazy. 42 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:43,120 We are adding a third Co host to our podcast. 43 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:49,400 So we will be Kel and Mel and Kate or Mel and Kel and Kate. 44 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,400 And my cousin Kelly's sister Caitlin is going to be joining 45 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:57,920 us as a full time Co host. You guys might remember her from 46 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:02,280 our Larry episode, Larry Tomlinson and Harry Styles. 47 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:07,160 She took charge on that. She is our resident historian. 48 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:12,080 She runs our YouTube and listens to every episode and we thought 49 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,200 it's time that we make it official with her hosting the 50 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,400 podcast, which will be so fun to have her on the show. 51 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:24,960 She's being promoted and I think if you guys like our duo, you 52 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,520 know our dynamic, I don't think it's going to change that much. 53 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,080 I hope you're not worried about that or anything or I don't know 54 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:36,120 that's conceited of me to think, but she's just as close to us. 55 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,320 I mean, she's my sister. She's Mel, Mel cousin. 56 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,480 We've spent our whole lives together. 57 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,560 So we're going to have the same, you know, familial joking 58 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,760 dialogues that we have now. And yeah, I think she's going to 59 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,680 bring bring a great new perspective to it too. 60 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:51,440 Yeah. So I'm excited. 61 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,320 Yeah, just more insight to add to the discussions and she'll be 62 00:03:55,320 --> 00:04:00,120 starting into episodes, so not next episode, but the one after 63 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,280 that I. Think on Halloween, right? 64 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,000 That will be the episode, Yeah. So she'll be with us on that 65 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,400 one. Really excited to show her some 66 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,240 love when she does join, you know, on social media or 67 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,400 Patreon, whatever. But we're really excited. 68 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:20,079 Yeah, but OK, so back to Nicole and Tom. 69 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:23,240 Kel, what 3 words would you use to describe this couple? 70 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:29,920 Oh. My God, the three words, The 71 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,680 three words I would use are all consuming. 72 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:37,400 Oh, I know that's 2 words, but manipulative? 73 00:04:38,280 --> 00:04:40,600 Uh oh. An egotistical? 74 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:45,080 Oh no. These are like basically all 75 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,760 negative. All consuming could be exciting, 76 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,480 I think. It could, but I feel like it's 77 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,120 skews negative. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 78 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:56,840 Depends how old you are. I feel like when I was younger, 79 00:04:56,840 --> 00:05:02,080 I would love that. I got really into the research 80 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,440 for this guy's. I love when this happens. 81 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:11,160 Like I could not stop. I was reading this Tom Cruise 82 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,760 unauthorized biography by Andrew Morton and I could not stop. 83 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,960 I was addicted to, I like stayed up way too late reading it. 84 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,600 So that was one source I used. I also used this book called The 85 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,920 Hollywood Book of Breakups by James Robert Parish and as well 86 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,800 as some other like, you know, online sources and articles. 87 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,480 But this is a really juicy one and there's a lot. 88 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:36,000 So I guess I should just get into it. 1/2 of this couple is 89 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,440 Nicole Kidman. We've all seen Nicole Kidman in 90 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,560 movies. She's in so many movies. 91 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,360 It's actually crazy when you stop to think about it. 92 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,120 I feel like every actor has worked with Nicole Kidman. 93 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:55,080 Yes, I just did a quick Google search and I don't know if we 94 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:58,120 can trust this because it's like the automated answer, but she's 95 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,360 been in at least 83 movies it says. 96 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,160 How many movies has Tom Cruise been in 44? 97 00:06:06,840 --> 00:06:08,920 Wow. So she's done like double the 98 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:10,520 movies he has. Wow. 99 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:16,400 Oh my gosh, yes, she is a serious actress, but she was 100 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:24,640 born Nicole Mary Kidman in 1967 on January 20th in Honolulu, HI. 101 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,880 Her Australian parents, I know her Australian parents were in 102 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,920 Hawaii because her father was a biochemist doing Cancer Research 103 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,440 there and her mother was a nursing teacher. 104 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:41,160 So they were just living in Hawaii temporarily and then they 105 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,400 relocated to DC for her father to keep doing research and her 106 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,000 younger sister was born there in 1970. 107 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,800 Then the whole family moved back to Sydney, Australia when Nicole 108 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,440 was 4. So even though she'd probably 109 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:58,040 have very little memories of life in the US, Nicole was a 110 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:02,080 dual citizen of both US and Australia, so she still is. 111 00:07:02,280 --> 00:07:08,240 Nicole grew very tall at a young age to 510 and had curly red 112 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,360 hair. She still does, but she often 113 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,640 straightens it and bleaches it blonde now, which makes me a 114 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,160 little sad. I wish, I mean maybe she has 115 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,480 Gray hair now, but I wish we would see the red hair more 116 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,720 often. Even though she's so beautiful. 117 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,520 When she was a tween and young teenager, she felt because she 118 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:29,360 was really tall and had this bright red curly hair, she felt 119 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,800 like it made her the ugliest person on earth. 120 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,160 Just sad. So to kind of boost her 121 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,000 confidence, she found refuge in theatre and she started 122 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,080 performing at Sydney's Phillips St. 123 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,480 Theatre. So bigger shows than her high 124 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,400 school or anything like that. And when she was 15, she landed 125 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:49,600 a role in the movie Bush Christmas, about Christmas in 126 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:54,120 the Bush, which I think is a big Australian Christmas movie, but 127 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,840 I had never heard of it over here in America. 128 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,080 She was then in an Australian miniseries called Vietnam and 129 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,160 she was becoming an Australian teen * And she left high school 130 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,920 early at age 16 to focus on her acting. 131 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,880 She's been called even back then she was called very strong 132 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:15,480 minded and willful and rebellious even, which I would 133 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:20,160 not have expected for her. And when she was 17, she fell in 134 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,240 love with a 37 year old Dutch man. 135 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,200 Oh, and with her parents blessed, she went to Amsterdam 136 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,080 with him. What? 137 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,560 That reminds me of Priscilla Presley's. 138 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,760 Yes, I wrote that in my notes. I was like, what the heck, This 139 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,240 is like Priscilla. She travelled down Europe with 140 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,760 this guy for six months and then they broke up and then I guess 141 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,600 she lived with another older man. 142 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,840 So she kind of already had a thing for moving fast, I would 143 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,080 say, and being a little reckless. 144 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,720 When she returned to Australia, apparently her mother was 145 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,720 diagnosed with breast cancer. And so Nicole put her acting on 146 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,560 ambitions on pause for a bit to be with her family. 147 00:08:59,560 --> 00:09:01,320 But her mom, I think, did get better. 148 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,800 She began dating the Australian TV actor Marcus Graham and lived 149 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,000 with him. And as she got older, I've read 150 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,800 that Nicole's often been described as a little aloof, 151 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,560 maybe a little bit snobby, but polite. 152 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:22,600 I think she comes off very low key, but I think she actually is 153 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,880 very ambitious, like maybe more ambitious than you would. 154 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,840 I mean, obviously she's been in 80 something movies, but yeah, 155 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,160 it's very deliberate, I think. But she is very, very talented 156 00:09:34,680 --> 00:09:38,000 and I think she's somebody that I don't think she needs to 157 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,040 anymore because she's just such a star. 158 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:44,600 But I think back in the day, she would do whatever it took to get 159 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,680 ahead in her acting career. When she was 22 or so, she was 160 00:09:48,680 --> 00:09:53,120 in an Australian TV miniseries and then she was in the movie 161 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:57,120 Dead Calm. And apparently when Tom Cruise 162 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:00,480 saw the movie Dead Calm, he said, who is that girl? 163 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,800 I have to work with her. OK. 164 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:04,880 So who is Tom? Cruise. 165 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,880 Yeah, we've we've. Heard of him? 166 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:12,480 I heard of him. Yeah, I heard of him. 167 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,040 I actually can't believe it's taken. 168 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,520 What like is this episode 90? Seven. 169 00:10:19,560 --> 00:10:23,120 I think it's 98. 98 to get to Tom Cruise. 170 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,040 Yeah, the Andrew Morton book I thought was interesting 171 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:31,440 described Tom Cruise is as what you see is not what you get. 172 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:36,280 Oh, I feel like that's like kind of a bad quality. 173 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,120 We'll see. He was born Thomas Cruise map 174 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:47,760 the third the 4th, on July 3rd, 1962 in Syracuse, NY. 175 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:52,400 He was the third of four kids. His father was an electrical 176 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,760 engineer and his mother had various jobs. 177 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,800 And I don't know why I put this here in my notes, but I wrote 178 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:03,360 that I will say Tom Cruise seems to be kind of an embellisher and 179 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,200 an exaggerator. There are a lot of stories he's 180 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,360 told about his life where things don't really add up. 181 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,360 I think the things I'll say now in his back story, I do think 182 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:16,800 we're true. But like, I'll mention if I'm 183 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,880 not sure if it is. Yeah. 184 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,320 He's told a lot of stories that you're kind of like, huh, did 185 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,720 that really happen? And some people, friends from 186 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,960 high school or whatever, have disputed things he's said. 187 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:29,760 So very mysterious, that one. But yeah, apparently his family 188 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,680 moved a lot because of Tom's dad's job. 189 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,680 Take a train. Make a drink, that's part of our 190 00:11:36,680 --> 00:11:41,200 drinking game. He attended 11 different schools 191 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,920 growing up, which is crazy and seems to be like the key to 192 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,440 success for some reason. It's a common trait we see in 193 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,560 these mega famous people. Tom was apparently not a great 194 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:56,840 student growing up. He was dyslexic, so where is his 195 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,480 mom and siblings actually? So he really pushed himself to 196 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,400 excel at sports. He had to learn to have really 197 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:07,040 thick skin, being only 5-7. People picked on him for being 198 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,720 small and for not knowing how to read. 199 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:15,760 So I'm not saying he literally didn't, but like that's what 200 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:21,200 people said. And so that he ended up having 201 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,640 this very like tough attitude because he had been picked on. 202 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,760 And I guess even as a kid, people have said that he had a 203 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,000 very my way or the highway attitude. 204 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,760 And he was seen as sort of an alpha male. 205 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:34,640 Even in elementary school, middle school. 206 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,600 And with his friends, they would always do hijinks and he would 207 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,680 always push things further and further, you know, like if they 208 00:12:40,680 --> 00:12:44,360 were doing, I don't know, climbing a Cliff or something, 209 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,200 he would say like, oh, let's go higher, let's jump further. 210 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,720 You know, he was always taking things to the extreme. 211 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:54,000 And apparently at school, in middle school, all the girls had 212 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,640 to crush on him. One of his classmates even said 213 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,800 that as a kid he was famous before he was famous. 214 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:04,040 Oh yeah, wow. I never found him that good 215 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:09,640 looking like him to warrant that level of appeal that he has. 216 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,760 But that's just me. Yeah, I, I think he is 217 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:14,520 attractive. I, I don't think he's like the 218 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:18,440 hottest guy ever, but I, so I did just watch Eyes Wide Shut 219 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:22,120 and there were a bunch of shots where I was like, oh wow, Like 220 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,280 he is really good looking. I don't know there is something 221 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,360 charming about him but. Yeah, I am looking at his high 222 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,520 school picture. He is really cute. 223 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,120 He has a really good smile. He he does have a great smile. 224 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,480 Yeah. Tom Cruise in like the 80s, 225 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,880 nineties. It was really handsome anyway. 226 00:13:40,680 --> 00:13:42,680 Were you going to say like there were kids like in your high 227 00:13:42,680 --> 00:13:43,960 school? I feel like yeah. 228 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,680 And mine too. Yeah, there were some kids in my 229 00:13:46,680 --> 00:13:49,760 high school who did feel famous, even. 230 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,600 Like, beyond just being popular, it was like everybody knew them. 231 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,360 They were, they were just stars, you know, even in. 232 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,800 Yeah. And it was like, no matter where 233 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,560 that person goes in their life, they will always be liked. 234 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:04,800 People will always gravitate towards them. 235 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,480 Everything will come easy to them. 236 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,640 And that's not really how it is in life. 237 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,520 Like they have hardships and struggles, but like they just 238 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,280 have that charisma that gets them in the door. 239 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,720 When he was 11, his parents separated. 240 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:24,440 And his dad did sound like a really mean, tough man who would 241 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,960 yell and I think hit Tom a lot. And Tom's mom planned a really 242 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:30,920 elaborate escape for her and her kids. 243 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,480 And I feel like it must have been kind of traumatizing, like 244 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,200 the kind of thing where she woke up early and they had all their 245 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:37,960 suitcases and like, they, you know what? 246 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,800 It was like an escape. And she took them all to live in 247 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,840 Louisville, KY, where her family was, and they didn't and even 248 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:50,240 say goodbye to their father. Wow, must have been really bad. 249 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,320 I know. And now the family had no money, 250 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,560 the dad didn't support them in any way, so I guess the kids had 251 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,360 to like all pitch in. And I read that for Christmas 252 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,080 they could only give each other acts of kindness. 253 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,000 Oh wow. But when Tom was 14? 254 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,480 Also, sorry, his back story is a lot longer than Nicole's, but I 255 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,080 feel like it's just crazier and there's more to say. 256 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,720 When he was 14, he did attend a Franciscan boarding school that 257 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,280 was paid for by his grandfather, his mother's father. 258 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,080 And at this boarding school, he made the honor roll for the 259 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,000 first time. And it seemed like he was doing 260 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,600 good there, like with all the structure. 261 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:30,040 And a lot of publications claim that Tom was planning on 262 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:34,160 becoming a priest because of this, but I don't think that was 263 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,640 ever really true. He was only 14 when he went 264 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,120 there, and he only went for a year. 265 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,720 So I don't, I don't know. I don't think that that was 266 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:44,120 true. Yeah. 267 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,040 I mean, maybe he thought about it, but. 268 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,360 Yeah, maybe he thought it. Seriously, I feel like there 269 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:53,800 isn't really proof that he did. He just so happened to go to 270 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,960 this boarding school. They had monks there. 271 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:01,000 But you know, Anyway, when he was 16, his mom remarried and 272 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,600 the family relocated again to New Jersey. 273 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,080 And in this school, he didn't immediately fit in, but he did 274 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,760 get a serious girlfriend and eventually he made friends with 275 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,600 some guys. And I read that he did soccer 276 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,000 and wrestling. Senior year he finally made the 277 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,520 football team, but third squad. But he was caught drinking and 278 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:23,200 he was kicked off the team and Tom injured, his knee running up 279 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,120 and down the stairs. He was trying to lose weight for 280 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,640 wrestling, and so he was kicked off the football team. 281 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:31,400 Now he can't wrestle because he hurt his knee. 282 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,200 And so he didn't really have anything to do. 283 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,600 He was in the choir, and his friend suggested that he try out 284 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:42,520 for the musical. He did, and people were blown 285 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,960 away. They were just like, Oh my God, 286 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,720 this guy is amazing. And he got the lead role just 287 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,000 out of nowhere. Wow. 288 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:54,400 He had acted in elementary school plays, but that's, but 289 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:59,080 nobody knew that because he was a new student, you know, So he's 290 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,880 the start of the play. I know he's such a good actor 291 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,480 with like no training whatsoever. 292 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:06,480 Like what type of psychology you're like. 293 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,560 I know make up as a person. Does that require? 294 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,599 That's such a good question, Mel. 295 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:14,920 I think something, I think there's something going on 296 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,359 there. I don't know if it's like his 297 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:22,960 having to reintroduce himself all the time at new schools, all 298 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,880 the people he's seen. I don't know, but people have 299 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,280 said many times that he's just a natural. 300 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,880 Yeah, definitely seems like he's got bravado. 301 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,880 So he went to school with this girl named Lorraine Golly, who 302 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,720 was actually an actress on a teen TV show. 303 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,560 And so she was kind of famous at their school. 304 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:47,560 And it was through her that he got an agent and found success, 305 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,680 I guess. Her agent said, oh, do you know 306 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,840 any cute guys or anything? And this girl said, Tom, he 307 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,360 actually went like, his last name was Mapather Mapather, so 308 00:17:57,360 --> 00:17:59,800 and they called him Mapo as a nickname. 309 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:03,120 So she suggested Tom, and then he went to the agent's office 310 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:08,040 and apparently the agent said, like when she first saw him, 311 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:13,000 said you're going to be a star. But I feel like we always hear 312 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,120 stuff like that. Like, really? 313 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,000 Yeah, what are the odds? I know. 314 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,880 You can just tell. I don't know. 315 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:21,160 Maybe she said that to everybody. 316 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,160 Yeah. After high school that summer, 317 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:26,720 he commuted to New York every day to pursue acting. 318 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:31,240 He dropped his last name, now only going by Tom Cruise only, 319 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:35,240 and he started acting in stage productions, and he had odd jobs 320 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,200 while he was going to auditions, and he started acting in 321 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,640 commercials. Then he got an apartment in 322 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,960 Manhattan with a roommate. And then he landed a small role 323 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,480 in the movie Endless Love. I wrote just about his 324 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,000 personality. I wrote he is definitely very 325 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:53,600 dedicated, passionate, sort of intense, very ambitious. 326 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,440 But people, as I said, say that he's a natural born talent and 327 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,040 that he didn't have to audition and struggle for long. 328 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,520 He got success basically after a few months of trying. 329 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,720 Wow, Yeah, 'cause then he was in this movie Taps, and then he had 330 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:12,520 his big break in The Outsiders, and it was just going up and up 331 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,760 from there. He actually very briefly dated, 332 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,400 or at least he went on some dates with Melissa Gilbert, who 333 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,920 played Laura Ingalls on Little House on the Prairie. 334 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,080 You guys know her? I know. 335 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:28,000 I didn't know that. In 1983 he starred in the movie 336 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,560 Risky Business, which really turned him into a, you know, sex 337 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,080 symbol and in the Andrew Morton book. 338 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:37,400 I thought this quote was interesting. 339 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,520 He wrote. It seemed, at least to those who 340 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,080 worked with him, that behind the polite yes Sir, no ma'am, 341 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,640 Vernier was a young man out to take social and professional 342 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,280 advantage of every possible situation. 343 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:55,000 Very, very ambitious. He dated his Co star, the 344 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:59,240 actress Rebecca De Mornay, for two years and she talked about 345 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,760 feeling like there was a competition between them after 346 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,560 their breakup, that she was more successful than him at the time. 347 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,160 So it seemed like he didn't like that he felt competitive with 348 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,000 her, that she was an actress. Interestingly, though, Tom 349 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,760 always dates actresses. Like I've heard that it's it's a 350 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,840 thing that he. I think he even said he prefers 351 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,160 to date actresses because someone who isn't an actor like 352 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,800 wouldn't get him. It's that important to him. 353 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,880 But he did date Cher for. A little bit. 354 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,080 I know, and she was 16 years older than him. 355 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,840 Oh wow. I know, but apparently he 356 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,360 downplayed his relationship with her. 357 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,360 Tom seems to have always been very concerned about his image 358 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,080 and even then I think he didn't really think Cher was good for 359 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:51,040 his image. 1984, his father died and he was 22, so I think that 360 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:52,960 was really complicated for him because he didn't have a great 361 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,720 relationship with him. It's kind of sad, just like what 362 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,320 could have been, you know? Yeah. 363 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,600 He starred in Top Gun, which was released in 1986 and it was a 364 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,680 huge success. Then he was in the movie The 365 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,760 Color of Money and he started dating Mimi Rogers, an actress. 366 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:14,160 His Co star, who was seven years older than him, once divorced. 367 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,640 He likes the older ladies. He does. 368 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:21,160 He does and she's taller than him interestingly I feel like. 369 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,840 He probably has to date women who are taller than him a lot of 370 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,120 the time. A lot of the time, yeah. 371 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,920 I mean, he there, there are short girls out there. 372 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:34,240 He could definitely for sure. But it might limit his options a 373 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:35,760 little bit like. Yeah. 374 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,800 But there's definitely women who are shorter. 375 00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:40,520 Yeah, he is small, though. I was thinking that watching 376 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,360 Eyes Wide Shut. Like there were a couple moments 377 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:44,360 I noticed like, well, he looks small. 378 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:50,120 So he's with Mimi Rogers. And it's actually Mimi who 379 00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:53,360 introduced Tom to the Church of Scientology. 380 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,240 She had introduced it at a dinner party when they first met 381 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,440 and I don't know if this is true, but I read that it's very 382 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,040 likely that she had been planning to bring Tom into 383 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,960 Scientology for months before even meeting him. 384 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:12,720 That's weird that it was all orchestrated and planned. 385 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,920 OK, so I wrote in my notes a lot about Scientology and like what 386 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,120 it is. I really don't know that much 387 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:22,040 about it. I just know that like, it's kind 388 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,840 of culty. Yeah, I was surprised. 389 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,880 It was different than I thought, so I'll tell you guys what it 390 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,320 is. This is going to be like an 391 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,360 eighth of the episode probably, but OK. 392 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:39,200 OK, So what is Scientology? It was created by Ron Hubbard in 393 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:44,360 the 1950s, which is based on his theory of Dianetics, which is an 394 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,480 alternative to psychotherapy. And what I realized now that 395 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,280 that's in Phoebe's song Punisher, when she's like if 396 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:56,040 your things Dianetics and stucco or something, I don't know. 397 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,720 She mentioned it probably because it's like about LA or 398 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,200 yeah. Anyway, based on his theory of 399 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:08,160 Dianetics, which is when people revisit traumatic events called 400 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,280 engrams, they can be removed only through an activity called 401 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,280 auditing. So basically you talk about an 402 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,120 incident that bothers you and the auditor uses a machine to 403 00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:23,120 measure your emotional reaction. And if it seems like you're not 404 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:28,040 reacting anymore, talking about this traumatic memory, if it 405 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,400 seems like you're not having an emotional response, then you're 406 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,680 officially clear from that N Gram as they call it. 407 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,120 And there's a fee charged for every session of auditing. 408 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,000 So. And what does the auditing do? 409 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,560 Like, is the machine doing something in your brain or 410 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,080 you're just talking about it? You're just talking about it. 411 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,880 It's almost like therapy or confession in a way. 412 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,920 But they're saying that if the machines, it's almost like a lie 413 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:55,400 detector. If it's saying that it's not 414 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,680 detecting an emotional response as you talk about this traumatic 415 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,800 thing, then it's saying, oh, it's not bothering you anymore, 416 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,920 you're clear from it. OK. 417 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,160 So you're like desensitizing yourself from traumatic events, 418 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,120 but you kind of have to pay to measure the amount that it is 419 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,920 affecting. Yes, to pay to do this process, 420 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,680 but then what's the spiritual aspect? 421 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,440 So it started as this and then he kind of like turned it into 422 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,320 religion. The spiritual aspect is that 423 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,040 they believe that basically we're all immortal souls with 424 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:33,480 God like potential called thetans because we're immortal 425 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,120 beings. We need to get back to the 426 00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:37,480 trauma from millions of years ago. 427 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,560 And interestingly, as you progress through Scientology, so 428 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,080 it's like as you do more auditing sessions and you become 429 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:51,560 clear of all your traumas, then you like rise in the ranks. 430 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:52,640 Like there's different levels to it. 431 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,920 And then what you believe like changes as you go through 432 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,760 Scientology. And when you obtain clear 433 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,200 status, basically meaning like you're clear of your trauma, 434 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,160 then you can become an operating phaeton. 435 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,920 And operating phaeton texts are kept secret for most followers. 436 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,640 They're revealed only after you've basically given hundreds 437 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,080 and thousands of dollars to Scientology. 438 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,800 And even though they've tried to keep these texts very secret, 439 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,560 you know, only the top people can see it. 440 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,320 They're apparently freely available to read online. 441 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:31,040 And the texts say, apparently that past lives took place in 442 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,920 extraterrestrial cultures. And they involve an alien called 443 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,800 Xenu, described as a planetary ruler 70 million years ago, who 444 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,680 brought billions of aliens to Earth and killed them with 445 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,880 thermonuclear weapons. Where did that come from? 446 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,920 I don't, no, but most people doing Scientology like would not 447 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,480 know that. Like it wouldn't even be part of 448 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,840 their experience. That's like what they say once 449 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,360 you get to the end basically. And that was but. 450 00:26:00,360 --> 00:26:03,760 We know that WikiLeaks. I know they know that. 451 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,800 I guess they do now. Unless it's like a cover up and 452 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,040 they believe something else and we just think they think that. 453 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,960 I like to think, I hope that most people don't believe that 454 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,440 because that just sounds so random, but I feel like it's not 455 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,960 really much of A religion, more of like a ideological 456 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,920 corporation and coming because apparently they don't even 457 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,120 believe in God. It's more like that every person 458 00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:29,080 is a God themself. Oh, see, yeah, I feel like that 459 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:34,080 would gravitate towards someone like Tom Cruise, who is very 460 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,080 naturally self confident. Yes, it seems like a very 461 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,280 narcissistic cult and there's been a lot of government 462 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,160 inquiries and Superior Court judgments in all different 463 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,080 countries that have described Scientology as both a dangerous 464 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,720 cult and manipulative profit making business. 465 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,240 And these institutions and scholar state that it's not a 466 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,160 religion, that it doesn't really the criteria for it. 467 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,520 And it does kind of annoy me that it's called Church of 468 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,960 Scientology because I feel like I used to think it was like 469 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,960 somewhat Christian, but it's actually not at all. 470 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,000 So it's just weird. And they use this cross. 471 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,120 They have like a bunch of different symbols with one 472 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:16,520 symbol they use is like the 8 pointed cross which apparently 473 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,920 resembles the Hermetic order of the Golden Dawn which was a 474 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,520 secret society for real devoted to studying the occults in like 475 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,160 the 1800s so just. Creepy. 476 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,880 It does seem also like you have to be skeptical of anything that 477 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,440 is like requesting hundreds of thousands of dollars from you or 478 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,560 anything that like requires you to rise up in the ranks. 479 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,880 I know it is weird so maybe you guys have heard before that 480 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,520 people that are deemed hostile to the cult of Scientology, 481 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,600 including ex members, they are called suppressive persons or 482 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,000 SPS. Oh, if If the organization 483 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,440 declares that one of the members is an SP, all other members are 484 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,360 forbidden from further contact with them in an act it calls 485 00:28:04,360 --> 00:28:07,880 disconnection, and any member breaking this rule is labeled a 486 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,680 potential trouble Source PTS. Unless they swiftly end all 487 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,360 contact with that troubled person, they can become ASP 488 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:24,040 suppressive person themself. That's so negative like come on 489 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:25,920 why would you even want to be a part of that? 490 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,800 Also it's like aren't you interacting with SPS all the 491 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,240 time like people who aren't members? 492 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,920 Like why? I don't think people that aren't 493 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,880 members are necessarily a problem, but he wouldn't want to 494 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,480 be married to a non member. Basically, yeah, exactly. 495 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,760 But see, I almost feel like if I was their marketing person, I 496 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,200 would be like, OK, that's kind of hurting you because people 497 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,360 don't want to maybe even experiment or try it out because 498 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,520 then they can't change their. Mind, I know it's a cult. 499 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,360 Yeah, exactly. They've had a lot of scandals 500 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,840 too. Members of infiltrated, 501 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,720 wiretapped and stolen documents from the IRS. 502 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,680 And like federal government, they've been charged with 503 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,080 coercion, fraud, labor law violations, extortion, 504 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,760 harassments, threats, coercing their female staff to get 505 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:19,840 abortions, partaking in human trafficking, physical, sexual, 506 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,000 mental abuse, all that. Like basically everything 507 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,040 possible. Why would anyone want to be a 508 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,760 part? Of this I know. 509 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,000 Well, that's what I was thinking. 510 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:32,280 I can see if you don't even know about that side of it, if you're 511 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,440 just introduced to it as like a way to move past your past and 512 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,320 to, you know, level up and almost like become enlightened. 513 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:45,040 And I don't know, I guess Tom Cruise maybe was struggling with 514 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,600 things, maybe because of his family, I don't know. 515 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,320 And maybe the auditing experience was really positive 516 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:52,640 to him. So I don't know. 517 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,360 That is cool, the auditing experience. 518 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,360 Next thing you know, I'm in the Church of Scientology. 519 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,120 Don't do it. That does sound cool, but also 520 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,720 like a RIP off. Like I guess what do you? 521 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,200 Who knows? If it's even real. 522 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,520 Yeah, exactly. Like, is the machine actually 523 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:10,800 doing anything? I don't know. 524 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,880 Seems like it's taking advantage of you. 525 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,440 Mm Hmm. And it it never ends because 526 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,680 they would just, like, keep going back and back and back. 527 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,080 And like, what else can we talk about, you know? 528 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,200 Yeah, exactly. And then apparently, you have to 529 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,520 kill yourself from trauma from millions of years ago. 530 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,960 So, yeah, that's silly, but I know it. 531 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:35,080 I can see why it's attractive. And during the auditing process, 532 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,160 apparently, the auditor collects and records personal information 533 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,040 from the client. Oh, that's bad. 534 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,880 Even though they say it's confidential, they have a 535 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:50,240 history of attacking former members using information called 536 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,480 from the records. And Oh yeah, I bet they. 537 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,600 Blackmail people? Yeah, I think people think, I 538 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,440 mean, it's just a theory, but people think that's why a lot of 539 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,640 people don't leave is because they might be blackmailed. 540 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,600 And why celebrities like, why is it that celebrities seem to 541 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,920 specifically get caught up in Scientology? 542 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,200 I guess it's intentional. Ron Hubbard himself, even when 543 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:18,800 he started this, established the project Celebrity in 1955 with a 544 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,680 list of major stars who might be persuaded to put on a good face 545 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,680 for the organization. And they later opened celebrity 546 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,720 centers described as like a special Church of Scientology 547 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,440 that would cater to the artists, politicians, leaders of 548 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,080 industry, anyone with power and vision to create a better world. 549 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,480 There's a lot more I could say about it, but I will stop for 550 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,760 now. Well, I feel like just one thing 551 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,600 to that I bet celebrities are the most vulnerable to feeling 552 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,240 blackmail. They're like the fear of 553 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,160 blackmail because like, if they have told all their dirty little 554 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,880 secrets to an auditor, the stakes are much higher when 555 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,480 people know who they are that like, oh, this could be leaked 556 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,920 to the public, everything from my life. 557 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,800 Whereas like a regular person, yeah it would suck but no one 558 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,960 really knows you so no one cares about these personal things that 559 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,560 you have confessed and not it. Like how far could it really 560 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,960 reach? Yeah, but it could be career 561 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,520 damaging for someone in the Church of Scientology to who is 562 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:24,160 a celebrity to leave it. Yeah, so back to Tom and Nicole. 563 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,920 So Tom married Mimi, Mimi Rogers, the Scientologist in 564 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:34,040 1987. So he was married before and he 565 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,240 was learning more about Scientology as he's with her. 566 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,720 He continued to be in many movies. 567 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,520 He got super invested in them, very intense. 568 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,640 When he was filming the movie Born on the 4th of July, he 569 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,040 played a veteran in a wheelchair and to become immersed in the 570 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,560 role, he really lived his life in a wheelchair all day. 571 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,280 He put himself through apparently physical and mental 572 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,840 torture. And he did get nominated best 573 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,920 actor for it. And again, Jerry Maguire, who's 574 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,640 nominated too. By 1989, Tom had been invited to 575 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,920 the secret exclusive Scientology gold base in the California 576 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,760 desert. And he's basically completely 577 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,360 enmeshed in the world of Scientology by this point, which 578 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,040 surprised me. I don't know why I thought it 579 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,720 happened later. I didn't know he was already so 580 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,280 into it. I don't know why I thought it 581 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,920 happened. Like when he got with Katie 582 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:24,960 Holmes. But. 583 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,120 I was wrong. He signed on to 1990s Days of 584 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,040 Thunder movie for $10 million. It was supposed to be sort of 585 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:38,200 like Top Gun for NASCAR. He had a lot of power in his 586 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,200 leading role, and it was him that suggested that the leading 587 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,040 lady, his romantic interest in the movie, should have been 588 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,600 Nicole Kidman after he'd seen her in the movie Dead Calm. 589 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,600 So it's his idea. He was like, you should get her 590 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,120 to do it. So Nicole, she was in Japan 591 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,720 promoting that movie Dead Calm when she was asked to audition 592 00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,240 for Tom's movie Days of Thunder. But she still flew all the way 593 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,160 to LA from Japan, which is crazy. 594 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,480 And she's single at this point and he's married. 595 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,800 No, she has a boyfriend as well that she lives with. 596 00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:11,239 Oh OK, I know. And he's married. 597 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,840 Nicole went to the studio to meet about the movie and she 598 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,440 walked into a conference room with six men and apparently Tom 599 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,520 was the only one who stood and shook her hand, and that really 600 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,639 impressed her. Nicole remembered feeling 601 00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:26,679 embarrassed to be looking down at Tom, that she was taller than 602 00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:28,760 him. She was worried that that would 603 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,199 cost her the role. But she also said to Rolling 604 00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:33,679 Stone. The moment I laid eyes on him, I 605 00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:36,560 just thought he was the sexiest man I had ever seen in my life. 606 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,920 He took my breath away. I don't know what it was. 607 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,760 Chemical reaction. Hard to define, hard to resist. 608 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,760 And he said my first reaction to meeting Nick. 609 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,040 Yeah, he always calls her Nick. My first reaction to meeting 610 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,800 Nick was pure lust. It was totally physical. 611 00:34:55,239 --> 00:35:00,760 OK, that'd be a compliment. You know, he is married, though. 612 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,000 Oh, my gosh. Shit. 613 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,880 Yeah, Yeah. And she's, she has a serious 614 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,120 boyfriend. But after auditioning, she was 615 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,840 called shortly after by the producer to tell her that she 616 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,400 had gotten the role. And she said, what about my 617 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,400 height? And he replied, it doesn't 618 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,360 bother Tom, so it doesn't bother us. 619 00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:19,360 I mean, he was that much of A star that like, it was up to him 620 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,320 basically. And they began filming together 621 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,560 in Daytona, Florida. Nicole and Tom began falling for 622 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,720 each other. Tom sent her love notes and red 623 00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:32,920 roses almost every day while he's married. 624 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:38,520 Yes, I know they went skydiving together. 625 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,760 Apparently they kissed while they were in the air skydiving. 626 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,440 Wow, I feel like that I would not want, if I was married, my 627 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,880 husband to be skydiving with another woman. 628 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,800 Well, this isn't. This must be an affair. 629 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:53,960 It is. Yeah. 630 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,800 And she doesn't know what's going on, I don't think. 631 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,800 Yeah. He even brought Nicole to the 632 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,600 Scientology Gold base, arriving by helicopter. 633 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,680 Helicopter and they have their own private bungalow with a chef 634 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,240 and Butler. So very grandiose, like very, I 635 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:13,080 could see getting swept up in this and like a lot of 636 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,480 adrenaline, like it's just, it really is a whirlwind. 637 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,160 It is. It's like the definition of 638 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,160 whirlwind. It just seems like, I think it 639 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:26,480 will come up again in the story later, but he always is giving 640 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,320 Nicole gifts like everyday roses and things and like notes and 641 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,240 it. And it just seems like that must 642 00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:35,520 be his love language, which is gifts. 643 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,200 We were just talking about this off the mic about. 644 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,360 We were different about gifts specifically. 645 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,360 Yes. And so I asked you guys on 646 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,440 Patreon, if you know what is your love language and gifts, 647 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,480 Let me refresh the poll. But gifts so far has the lowest 648 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,560 percentage, 6%. But you know what guys? 649 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,880 Mine is actually gifts me and Ty Cruz. 650 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:08,120 I think mine is also gifts for giving but I don't know if it's 651 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,440 receiving. I do like receiving gifts. 652 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,200 I know it seems, it seems really shallow. 653 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:19,160 I know I feel like it gets a bad Rep, but I, I feel like I've 654 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,760 said this before, that I just love like physical mementos of 655 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,200 things. Like it could be anything. 656 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,320 It could be a rock. Like, it doesn't have to be a 657 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,120 fancy gift. It doesn't have to be like 658 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,920 helicoptering to a bungalow or anything. 659 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,880 It could just, yeah, literally be a piece of paper. 660 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:38,240 But I just love like a little token and something that shows 661 00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:40,400 that you were thinking of me. You know, I took that test 662 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,680 again. I was wondering like, will it 663 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:42,960 still be gifts? Maybe not. 664 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:48,080 But it was our top love language that you guys said. 665 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,320 Most of you 34% said quality time. 666 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,480 I do. Honestly it's so hard to pick. 667 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,720 I like them all. I know they're all, they're all 668 00:37:57,720 --> 00:37:58,680 great. I feel like they're all 669 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,560 important. Second place is Acts of Service 670 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:06,960 26 percent, 3rd place physical touch 20%, words of affirmation 671 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,440 14% and then last 6% gifts. Yeah, I feel like gifts does 672 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,000 have a bad rap because it does superficial, but like like you 673 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,080 said, like it really is just a sentiment, a physical 674 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,000 representation of thinking of someone. 675 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,760 Like usually if your love language of gift is gifts, it's 676 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,720 a sentimental thing. It's not just like a gift card 677 00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:30,880 that you got somebody to spend money on, someone that. 678 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,800 I would not like that. Like, that would upset me 679 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,000 actually, because it would feel like, not very personal. 680 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:37,640 Yeah. I'm surprised words of 681 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,800 affirmation is so low. I think that might be my second 682 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,320 one for like, I need assurance a lot. 683 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,720 And when I was doing the quiz, I see. 684 00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:47,800 I agree. Like, they're all great. 685 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,480 Like I feel like acts of service is super nice, but when I had to 686 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,280 choose, like, would you rather your loved one like help with 687 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:56,680 the dishes or give you a little gift? 688 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,960 I'm like, the dishes can't wait. I'd rather have gift. 689 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,960 Like, yeah, I have to pick that. Some comments. 690 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,680 Michelle said my husband bringing me a glass of ice water 691 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,360 is my love language. Sweet. 692 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,800 And yeah, same as you, Ariel said. 693 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,080 I think I love to give people gifts, but I prefer quality time 694 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,640 with someone. Yeah. 695 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,560 Oh, I only said I love acts of service so much. 696 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,760 I used to be all about words of affirmation. 697 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,680 After dating enough liars, I realized action is so much nicer 698 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,080 than words. Acts that show someone is 699 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,680 listening to you and cares about the things you care about. 700 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,080 So true. I do think that it kind of 701 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,040 depends on your recent experiences and like who you're 702 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,760 with now. If anybody like, I don't know, I 703 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,400 think that that can change how you feel about things. 704 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,640 That's true. Like I feel like I love physical 705 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:52,160 touch too, but I feel like you could have a partner who's too 706 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,440 physical and then it's like, OK, do you only really care about 707 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,080 being physical? Yeah, exactly. 708 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:03,040 So it depends. Or you could have a partner who 709 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,040 loves quality time but then they're suffocating you so. 710 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,480 Yes, yes, yes. Sometimes you need to have a 711 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,760 balance of the different love languages and it needs to be 712 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,840 compatible. I almost feel like because I 713 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,200 live with my boyfriend, like quality time. 714 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,400 I was almost overlooking because I feel like, oh, we spent so 715 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,440 much time together anyway. Like I don't know. 716 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,320 Because some of the in the quiz, it's like just being together 717 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,320 and not doing anything. Like yeah, I do. 718 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,280 I do like that, but I do that all the time. 719 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,600 So yeah, true, I feel like it's confusing for me because they 720 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,240 overlap. Like quality time often includes 721 00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:43,480 physical touch or includes words of affirmation or acts of 722 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,640 service. So you can't. 723 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,480 Have only time, but the other no acts of service, no words of 724 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,320 affirmation. Being buddies, it's. 725 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:57,120 Kind of boring, I know. No, but that's still nice. 726 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,960 But I do like my alone time too, so it's probably not my number 727 00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:00,880 one. Yeah. 728 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,280 But acts of service, that's definitely my boyfriend's. 729 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:09,240 He definitely, he's always getting me water, just doing 730 00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:10,680 little things like that. But. 731 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,880 Sweet. So they're filming this movie 732 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,000 Days of Thunder in Daytona, Florida and Tom's wife Mimi flew 733 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:22,280 to Florida to visit him and she was stunned when Tom told her 734 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,160 I'm with Nicole now and requested a divorce. 735 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,120 Yeah, that would be shocking it. Would be. 736 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,760 Like wait, since when were you out looking for someone like 737 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,960 that's? So weird from what I read about 738 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,480 it. I mean, we weren't there, but it 739 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,440 seems like it was very cold. Just kind of like matter of 740 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,680 fact, like it's over. Things have changed. 741 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:49,000 You know, sociopathic it is. And we've talked about this on 742 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,720 the podcast. You'll lose them how you catch 743 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:53,000 them. Like it's that's just not a good 744 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,760 sign. Like, if I was Nicole, I would 745 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,800 not be attracted to somebody who would leave their wife in such a 746 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,800 awful way. Like at least be kind of guilty 747 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,200 about it. Feel bad about. 748 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,840 It for a second, I know I almost did a poll about that, but I 749 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,480 wasn't quite sure how to phrase it and it also seemed extremely 750 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,720 specific. But yeah, like get always one 751 00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:16,040 while they're married. Yeah, I always want to ask poll 752 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,520 like that, but like who is going to vote? 753 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,920 Yes, I would. Someone might. 754 00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:24,040 If we did it on Instagram, I'm sure somebody would say. 755 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,760 I guess you could ask people like they asked, you know, the 756 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,800 movie. He's just not that into you. 757 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,960 Scarlett Johansson's character, I think, says, you know, what if 758 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,240 you meet the love of your life, but there was someone else, are 759 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,480 you supposed to just walk away? Like, I guess, you know, that's 760 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,920 something to question. Like, is it fate? 761 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,560 Do you turn back on that? Or if someone's already 762 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:56,320 unavailable, is that enough? That is an angel's question. 763 00:42:57,240 --> 00:43:00,040 I feel like I could ask that for next week too. 764 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,680 Oh, why do these relationships start this way? 765 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,680 I know. I do think part of maturity is 766 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,240 being able to walk away though, and knowing that you could have 767 00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:12,840 a great time with a lot of people. 768 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,440 But after the excitement wears off, like, I don't know, I, I 769 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,720 think if you have a good life with someone, like it's not 770 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:22,360 worth it to throw away for maybe like equally nice, but I don't, 771 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:23,440 you know what I'm saying? It's like. 772 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,960 Exactly the. Thrill evens out eventually. 773 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,120 I think it just seems exciting because you're not in that 774 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,600 honeymoon phase anymore. But. 775 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,120 Yeah, what we talked about that with Brad Pitt, like some people 776 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,120 are addicted to the up and up that they feel in the beginning 777 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,680 of a relationship and they can never be satisfied with the 778 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:45,120 inevitable cool down period where it's just nice and 779 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,560 pleasant and stable, but they want the thrill again. 780 00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,840 But they'll never be able to sustain that with one person 781 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,640 forever. No, no you cannot. 782 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,120 But you are missing out on something great, I think. 783 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,200 When you don't stick around, you know. 784 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,320 But anyway, even though they were separating now, him and 785 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,360 Mimi, they were, he was still pretending to the press that him 786 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,400 and Mimi's marriage was great. Like he was still saying like, 787 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,440 oh, she's great. Like, you know, the relationship 788 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,520 comes first. Like he was still acting like 789 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,440 they were together when they weren't anymore. 790 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,640 I know Days of Thunder was released. 791 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:27,680 It was a box office success. And then it became public that 792 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,240 Nicole and Tom were together and their relationship was all over 793 00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:34,720 the news. And not long after, Tom bought a 794 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:38,440 $4.7 million home in California for him and Nicole. 795 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,840 And it seems like they both just ran headlong into this 796 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,680 relationship. And she dumped her boyfriend as 797 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,160 well, obviously. I hope so, yeah. 798 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,280 Apparently Nicole's mom wasn't that surprised that it was 799 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,800 moving fast because Nicole had done this before. 800 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,640 Yeah, just interesting that Dutchman that she ran off with, 801 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,680 she had done things like this before, and she started to learn 802 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,840 more about Scientology and Dianetics, but apparently the 803 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,960 cult members thought she was a potential trouble. 804 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,120 Source And this is all according to sources from Scientology, 805 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,720 like ex members that have said this, they thought she she was a 806 00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:19,520 PTS because she was a practicing Catholic, or at least she used 807 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:20,760 to be. And her father was a 808 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,920 psychologist. And I guess psychology is like 809 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,320 the enemy of Scientology. Yeah. 810 00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,320 Which is surprising because they, I mean, you wouldn't think 811 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,760 it would be that different, but they hate psychologists, 812 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,160 probably because they could like, debunk their whole thing. 813 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,520 Yeah, and it was psychology. It's always continually being 814 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,400 studied too. So yeah, like it evolves as a 815 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,400 practice. But Tom and Nicole didn't know 816 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,040 about this. They didn't know that the other 817 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,440 Scientologists were talking about how Nicole is a potential 818 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,200 trouble source. They just thought it was all 819 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,120 good. I mean, they really wanted to 820 00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:58,360 keep Tom Cruise happy, actually. Like, he was there, darling. 821 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,200 They did anything for him. So they weren't going to like, 822 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,040 upset him yet. They were just keeping an eye on 823 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:09,000 Nicole Kidman. But what a red flag of a quote 824 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,160 religion anyway that like they're cautionary about certain 825 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,400 people joining because they might cause trouble. 826 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,200 Isn't the point of most religions if you want as many 827 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,680 members as possible? It's like they know that there 828 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,840 are issues with it and so they don't want some people to join. 829 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,400 I know. And I also think they really 830 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:33,560 feel like they are above other people like because they've done 831 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,960 all this auditing, they are like more God like or something. 832 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,560 Whereas I think other religions people are, even if you don't 833 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,080 believe it, they're somewhat looking out for other people. 834 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,480 They're like, you need to connect to God, you know, like, 835 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,640 yeah, they they think it's for the other person. 836 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,720 But I get the sense that Scientology, they don't really 837 00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:56,080 care about other people like if you improve or not like. 838 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,360 It's not about like, yeah, humility or. 839 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,720 Selflessness. Yeah, it's very exclusive. 840 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:07,040 And not long after they first started dating, a couple months, 841 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:11,560 I'm not exactly sure when, but Tom proposed Nicole by leaving a 842 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,880 note on her pillow. He wrote, My darling Nicole, I 843 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,680 chased you and chased you until you finally caught me. 844 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,720 Now will you marry me? So less than one year after his 845 00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:27,120 divorce, Tom and Nicole married in December 1990 on Christmas 846 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:33,160 Eve in Telluride, Co Nicole was 23 and Tom was 28. 847 00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,680 So this time he's older. And Nicole was quoted saying, I 848 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,160 don't feel I'm too young to get married because I know that I've 849 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,480 met the person I want to spend the rest of my life with. 850 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,440 I feel totally certain about that. 851 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,600 She was confident. They starred in a film together 852 00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,400 again called Far and Away, which was released in 1992. 853 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:55,200 And we wouldn't have known this at the time, but she has told us 854 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,040 since then, the public, that in their first year of marriage, 855 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:04,240 she had an ectopic pregnancy, which is when the fetus is like 856 00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:06,920 in your fallopian tube, and it's very dangerous. 857 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,520 And she said it was incredibly traumatic for her, even though I 858 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,800 do think like, she was so young and so ambitious about her 859 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,680 career, too. She had said many times that she 860 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,920 wanted to have kids, like she was ready to have kids with Tom 861 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:25,600 already. And also in this early 90s 862 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:30,840 period, the cult members had built a Meadow of wildflowers 863 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:35,120 just for Tom and Nicole at that bungalow at the gold base. 864 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:39,240 Because I guess Tom had said, they had said that it was a 865 00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:43,720 fantasy of theirs to run through a field of flowers together and 866 00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:45,960 they could just go to a field of flower somewhere. 867 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,640 But twenty members of Scientology dug, hoed, and 868 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,960 planted wheat grass and wildflower seeds to make it 869 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,120 happen and made a field of flowers for them. 870 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,080 Wow. Which is crazy. 871 00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,240 Tom continued to send flowers daily, apparently. 872 00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:03,080 I don't know if that's an exaggeration, but daily flowers, 873 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,400 maybe every couple days, I don't know. 874 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:10,120 And would leave notes for her. He bought her a dog, but he 875 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,080 didn't realize that she wasn't an animal person, wasn't an 876 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,360 animal person, which kind of shows that she didn't really 877 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,440 know her that well. And she said that's a. 878 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,480 Big gift to get somebody. I know and to not realize like 879 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,440 you're they're married to not even know that your wife doesn't 880 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,560 really like pets that much is. Yeah. 881 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,280 It makes me think you don't know each other that well. 882 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,960 She said that she didn't like clothes shopping, so he took 883 00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,200 over buying clothes for her. OK, so now it's 1993. 884 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,040 Tom and Nicole had said that they desperately wanted to have 885 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,200 kids together and again, we didn't know this. 886 00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:49,480 The public didn't. But after her ectopic pregnancy, 887 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,800 they weren't sure if she could safely have kids. 888 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,800 And I think that was an issue. And so in January 1993, only 889 00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:01,360 weeks after applying, they adopted a baby girl, Isabella 890 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:06,000 Jane Kidman Cruz, they named her and Nicole. 891 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,280 So this has been a couple years. I think she's, she was only, she 892 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:15,040 was 25 turning 26 when they adopted Isabella. 893 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,920 Just seems really fast to me and surprising. 894 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,680 And apparently because of this adoption, there were a lot of 895 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:26,360 rumors swirling that Tom was sterile, that he was gay, or 896 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:27,720 that Nicole couldn't have children. 897 00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:30,680 There were lots of stories and tabloids about this. 898 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,280 OK, so now they have this baby girl they adopted. 899 00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:39,440 They did have two nannies on call 24 hours a day, but they 900 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,840 were both very hands on, as hands on as you can be for 901 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,760 having two nannies. Tom was apparently very invested 902 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,200 and almost obsessed learning about parenting and checking on 903 00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,280 Bella. Tom and Nicole had lived very 904 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,920 scheduled, structured lives. They had someone waking them up 905 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,560 at 8:00 and then checking on them 10 minutes later. 906 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,280 Then they would work out and then they would have oatmeal 907 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,360 with the New York Times. So they had a very structured 908 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:08,920 life and I think that they tried to maintain that with having a 909 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,200 daughter, but I think it was difficult. 910 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,280 Nicole had been doing auditing sessions of Scientology and 911 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:18,080 apparently she had the option to move forward to the next level, 912 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,440 but she was kind of procrastinating, stalling. 913 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,640 She was saying that she's busy with filming. 914 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,240 He knows that she'll do it soon, whatever that even means. 915 00:51:27,240 --> 00:51:29,600 I don't know if there's, like, a ceremony or something, but some 916 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,440 of the Scientologists were getting suspicious, like, why is 917 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:37,640 she putting this off, you know? Yeah, 1994, October 1994, she 918 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,280 told. I probably should have put that 919 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,720 at the end of the year. Whatever. 920 00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:43,680 I'll just say. In 1994, she told Vanity Fair 921 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,240 about her husband. She said he's quite eccentric. 922 00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:50,280 He's just an odd 1. He has his own little quirks and 923 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,360 mannerisms. He's kind of wild. 924 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,480 And I love that. Interesting. 925 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,360 And some people have said, I just thought about this when she 926 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,760 said that, that Tom almost lives his life like it's all an act. 927 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,000 Oh, that's not great. I know. 928 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:11,080 I think, I think that that is kind of definition of like a 929 00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,440 capital. N narcissist, Yeah, or a 930 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,240 sociopath. Yeah, I do get that vibe from 931 00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:22,960 him, I got to say. Yeah, me too. 932 00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,320 I mean, even not to skip ahead in his life, but the fact that 933 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:30,720 he like cut his own daughter out Suri Cruise like because of 934 00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:32,640 Scientology, not to skip ahead at all. 935 00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,840 But it's like, OK, you have to question anybody that is that 936 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:39,120 cold or even his wife, his first wife. 937 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:43,920 Yeah, he can be very cold and matter of fact and just kind of 938 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:48,160 like, do what you got to do. Like there's something missing 939 00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:53,840 in there. So 94, he was cast as Lestat and 940 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:59,600 interviewed the vampire. And the reason that I'm talking 941 00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,320 this way is because my sister Caitlin, who's going to be on 942 00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,200 the show, she loves Interview with the Vampire. 943 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,360 Well, she mostly loves the show that they recently made. 944 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,520 And she's read the books, and she has a dog named Lestat. 945 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,440 And the crazy thing is, he was already named Lestat when she 946 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,080 adopted a dog. Yes. 947 00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:18,880 It was like fate. She had to. 948 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,920 Obviously, she had to adopt him. His name was Lestat already. 949 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,600 So yeah, Tom plays Lestat in Interviewed the Vampire, based 950 00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,560 on the books by Anne Rice. And Anne Rice was apparently so 951 00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,520 upset that he was cast, she publicly said that he is not her 952 00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,080 Lestat. Oh, wow. 953 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,560 And he was deeply hurt by that. This was a huge role for him 954 00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,360 because up until this point, he he had been named sexist man 955 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,040 alive. He was known for playing all 956 00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:48,360 these all American roles, you know, like NASCAR, flying 957 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,440 planes, like he was really a manned man. 958 00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,240 And now he was going to play this like, dark, seemingly 959 00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:59,600 bisexual or ambiguous sexuality villain vampire. 960 00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,880 Like, it's a very different character for him. 961 00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,800 Androgynous. Yes, yes, androgynous. 962 00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:09,920 So it's exciting. But while this is happening, 963 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,440 Nicole kind of felt like her career was in a slump and she 964 00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,120 was determined to land more serious meteor roles. 965 00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,000 And I read that she was, I mean, this is just according to 966 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,200 sources, I don't know if it's true, but I was reading that she 967 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,160 was starting to act a little jaded and somewhat of a diva. 968 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:30,760 I mean, I don't think any more than Tom Cruise acts, but she 969 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,040 was just starting to like, expect that things be perfect. 970 00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:36,320 And I think she was getting a little just frustrated with her 971 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:37,520 career. And I don't know. 972 00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:42,080 But then she landed a role in the film To Die for, which she 973 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:43,880 really, really wanted. Was that the one? 974 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:48,000 Was there something about Meg Ryan with that I don't remember? 975 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,360 I don't remember. What she really, really wanted. 976 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,720 I think Meg Ryan maybe dropped out or something. 977 00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,240 And it was a very intense, dark role alongside Joaquin Phoenix 978 00:54:58,240 --> 00:55:00,960 and Matt Dillon. Maybe that's why I remember it. 979 00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,280 Joaquin Phoenix, Yeah. So then interviewed the vampire 980 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:08,400 comes out and Anne Rice actually changed her mind. 981 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:13,000 She said that she loved Tom Cruise in it, and she took out 982 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,600 advertisements in New York Times and Vanity Fair praising the 983 00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,320 movie. And she said that he perfectly 984 00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,800 captured the stats, strength, humor, and boldness. 985 00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:27,000 So really rose to it and now I have a video that I want to show 986 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,480 you from the Interview the Vampire premiere. 987 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,000 I just think it's kind of funny, and I'm not sure how it will 988 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,520 translate on the podcast audio wise, so I'll just try to 989 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,560 describe it. But it's at the premiere, and 990 00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,720 Tom seems like he's in a really good mood. 991 00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:43,520 And he just keeps saying, like, where's my wife? 992 00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,360 Where's my wife? And then he's like Nick, Nick, 993 00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,760 Nick calling to her. And then he sees her and then he 994 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,640 whispers in her ear and kisses her. 995 00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,440 And it's just interesting to see this like, really candid moment 996 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,960 between them. So I sent it to you. 997 00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:13,280 There's so much shorter. He does. 998 00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:19,720 He does look like a fun time. He seemed like he was in a 999 00:56:19,720 --> 00:56:21,640 really good mood. Yeah. 1000 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,760 I like that video. It's fun. 1001 00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,000 It feels like you're at the party. 1002 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,240 I don't know she's. So beautiful too. 1003 00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:32,480 Oh she's so beautiful. Maybe I'm over analyzing it, but 1004 00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,600 she seems like a little reserved. 1005 00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:36,880 Yeah, she she often seems that way. 1006 00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,720 Like he's kissing her and she's but she's not. 1007 00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:45,080 Like she's kind of leaning in, but she's not that handsy. 1008 00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,920 Yeah, I must feel like she's like, kind of, well, she's 1009 00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:53,200 laughing at him. He does seem way more like happy 1010 00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:54,680 to see her. Yeah. 1011 00:56:55,200 --> 00:57:00,720 You know, she's just kind of like, hey, yeah, what do you 1012 00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:02,200 want? Yeah. 1013 00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,000 He must be drunk. I don't know. 1014 00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:05,840 Yeah. Where's my wife? 1015 00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,520 Yeah. Yeah, it is interesting, though. 1016 00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:14,160 In 95, they adopted another child, their son Connor, in 1017 00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,120 February 1995. So he would have been in my 1018 00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:18,040 grade. Crazy. 1019 00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,680 They're like my parents. Weird. 1020 00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:25,240 Yeah, that's so weird. Nicole's career was doing well 1021 00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:30,000 after her role in To Die For, which is what she wanted, and 1022 00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:31,720 she actually won a Golden Globe for it. 1023 00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,000 And then she landed a role in the movie Portrait of a Lady, 1024 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:40,040 and she felt that she needed to be alone to focus, to prepare, 1025 00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,240 leaving Tom with the kids. I think she just went off 1026 00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,160 somewhere, stayed somewhere else. 1027 00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:49,760 And she was insisting on wearing her 19 inch corset all the time 1028 00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,920 to really feel what it was like for Lady Jane, who she was 1029 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,040 playing. And it's just like Tom. 1030 00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:56,920 I mean, it seems like she was doing the same kind of thing, 1031 00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:58,600 like getting so absorbed in a role. 1032 00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,600 So they have that in common. And he was also filming Mission 1033 00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,840 Impossible, but I think it was with the kids. 1034 00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:08,320 And then winter 1995, they received a letter from the 1035 00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:12,040 director, Stanley Kubrick, that said that he wanted to work with 1036 00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,920 both of them and that they would receive a script from him soon. 1037 00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:21,200 And the movie turned out to be Eyes Wide Shot, the erotic 1038 00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:25,160 thriller that was filmed in England over A2 year period. 1039 00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,000 And yeah, in this movie, Kubrick really wanted to study 1040 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,760 possession and power relationships within a marriage 1041 00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,640 and wanted to cast a real life married couple for the role. 1042 00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,880 And they were encouraged to basically play themselves. 1043 00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:43,360 And since they were both people that loved to research their 1044 00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:46,880 roles and go deep, it kind of meant that they had to go really 1045 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,960 deep into their own relationship. 1046 00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:51,600 And. Yeah, I just watched this movie 1047 00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,800 for the first time. I'd wanted to see it for a 1048 00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,320 while. And it's really interesting. 1049 00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:00,560 It was it was a good movie. And even though I described it 1050 00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:04,640 as like an erotic thriller, some parts of it really felt cozy. 1051 00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,520 It just felt filmed that way, you know, like the 90s. 1052 00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,880 And there's like, a lot of Christmas lights. 1053 00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,080 And I love the way it looks. Yeah. 1054 00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:18,080 It's it's, I was preparing for it to be like this super sexual 1055 00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,680 movie, and it is. But I honestly don't think it is 1056 00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:26,760 as much as poor things. It's not as bad as that, yeah. 1057 00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,600 Now when you watch anything from that time period, like the 90s, 1058 00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:34,720 it's almost like a Meg Ryan movie in the sense that it has 1059 00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:38,600 that nostalgic element to it. Yeah, like shot and film it 1060 00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,360 just, it has a good atmosphere. It is interesting though, 1061 00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:47,200 because it is about a man that like, finds this secret society 1062 00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:52,400 and people wear masks and it's like super weird and people are 1063 00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,720 threatening him and he's not supposed to know things. 1064 00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:56,440 And it's interesting 'cause it kind of reminds me of 1065 00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,320 Scientology in a way. Like it seems like there's 1066 00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,960 levels to it and secrecy and it's just interesting that 1067 01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,360 they're in this movie that sort of, I think reflected their own 1068 01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,800 life and in the movie. It's not, it's not really a 1069 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,560 spoiler or anything. Like there is this secret 1070 01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,640 society and it's like hinted at that there's really important 1071 01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,840 people in it. That also reminds me of 1072 01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:16,200 Scientology. You know, there's a lot of 1073 01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:22,000 famous people in this cult. But it was a very intense shoot. 1074 01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:26,160 Apparently Stanley Kubrick kind of pushed things too far with 1075 01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,840 the sex scenes, I think made Nicole feel kind of 1076 01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,960 uncomfortable. But it's really not as bad as 1077 01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,720 poor things though. I, I was like preparing for like 1078 01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,600 super graphic, but it's not really. 1079 01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:43,440 But Nicole said, though we were happily married through that 1080 01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,640 Eyes Wide Shut, we would go go Kart racing after intense 1081 01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,200 scenes. We'd rent out a place and go 1082 01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,000 racing at 3:00 in the morning. OK, now we're. 1083 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:58,360 In 1998, Tom sued a British publication for accusing Tom and 1084 01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,680 Nicole for having a fake marriage to cover up the fact 1085 01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,240 that they were gay and that that's why they had adopted 1086 01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:09,280 their children. That they both were gay. 1087 01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,920 Yeah, I guess so. I mean, I think mostly him, but 1088 01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:16,560 they were saying both, yeah. I mean that is so shitty and 1089 01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:20,680 terrible that these publications would even insinuate that just 1090 01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:23,680 because they adopted. Yeah, it's interesting because 1091 01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:28,080 also in the movie, there's like a couple moments where Tom's 1092 01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:32,720 character is called gay or like, people call him slurs and stuff. 1093 01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:36,000 And the book I read was like, they didn't have proof of this, 1094 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,280 but he was kind of wondering if Stanley Kubrick was like 1095 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,680 antagonizing Tom Cruise. Like it seemed, it seemed like 1096 01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:42,880 he was really sensitive about this. 1097 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:46,200 And there were a lot of rumors about this at the time, so I 1098 01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,760 don't know what the deal is. But he ended up suing and 1099 01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:53,440 winning the case. And Tom stood triumphantly on 1100 01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,520 the court steps with his lawyer saying that he'd donate the 1101 01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,760 money to charity. But Nicole actually wasn't 1102 01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,440 there, which people thought was weird. 1103 01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,200 And Tom said that she just had a cold. 1104 01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,040 But many people suspected that she didn't want to be involved 1105 01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,480 in all of this and that she was upset. 1106 01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,840 Again, this is speculation, but she was upset because all the 1107 01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:16,840 details of her ectopic pregnancy were made public for this case 1108 01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,880 basically to like prove that that was the reason they adopted 1109 01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,720 or I don't it was it's so weird that they had to do that, but I 1110 01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:25,720 mean, they didn't have to. But he wanted to sue. 1111 01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:29,560 So, you know, and I guess he had been like obsessed with winning 1112 01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,040 this case. I don't know if it was like to 1113 01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,760 prove his masculinity or something. 1114 01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:38,400 But, and I read this is like, according to sources in that 1115 01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:43,040 unauthorized biography, that she was starting to kind of retract 1116 01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:46,680 from his intense affections, gifts and trip ideas. 1117 01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:50,120 She was starting to fall out of love with him, the book said. 1118 01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,640 And that she didn't really like hanging out with Tom's old New 1119 01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,880 Jersey friends and would act sort of distant when they were 1120 01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,640 with them. But then she was all bubbly and 1121 01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:02,960 happy when she's with her friends like Naomi Watts and and 1122 01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,640 quote gay men of the fashion world from the Andrew Morgan 1123 01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,360 book and I read I don't know if this is true again, but that 1124 01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:11,800 Nicole would start pulling away and would sometimes go days 1125 01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:16,600 without calling and that Tom was constantly with the kids but was 1126 01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,600 very controlling with them. Yeah, well, I'm getting, I'm 1127 01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,480 picking up what you said about it being all consuming. 1128 01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:27,440 I could see her being like, you know, after the initial ecstasy 1129 01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,120 of the relationship wearing off, being like, OK, this is too 1130 01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:31,200 much. Like, yeah. 1131 01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:35,400 Like it's still. Going on yeah, it is interesting 1132 01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:39,040 though, because of something I'll read in a second, even 1133 01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,280 though I just read that she was kind of like pulling away and 1134 01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:42,920 like being turned off by the gifts. 1135 01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,200 It seemed like she did like it too. 1136 01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,480 But actually I do kind of have to go to the bathroom and want 1137 01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,080 to top off my so I. Do I do too? 1138 01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,680 OK, so we'll take a break. Let's take a break. 1139 01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:59,200 OK. So I have something that I 1140 01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,480 didn't know existed. I feel kind of conflicted about 1141 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:03,680 it. What? 1142 01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:06,720 But I might. I think I'm going to share it 1143 01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:13,000 anyway. So March 1998, apparently their 1144 01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:19,360 phone conversation was illegally recorded and sent to newspaper 1145 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,880 magazines, just like Charles and Camilla. 1146 01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,920 Yeah. This is probably widely known 1147 01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,560 though, yeah. I think so. 1148 01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:33,880 I I mean, I didn't know about it and I do feel bad about it. 1149 01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:35,720 Well, it's kind of before our time. 1150 01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:39,920 It's before, I mean, we didn't do it, Yeah. 1151 01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:43,440 I mean, and it's already out there like with we can't leave 1152 01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:44,760 it out of the. Story. 1153 01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:46,720 Yeah. I mean, I mean, it's just 1154 01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:51,800 journalism. I do feel bad, but I do what I I 1155 01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:53,720 feel bad. But I still do want to share it 1156 01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:57,160 because it's so interesting. Just, it's just a transcript of 1157 01:04:57,160 --> 01:05:00,320 it. It's really long, so I already 1158 01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,600 cut some of it out and I think I'm going to have to skip over 1159 01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,400 some things anyway, this is what it says. 1160 01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:11,280 So this was March 1998, starts Tom said. 1161 01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,720 Nick, come on, you've just got to fucking let let up on me for 1162 01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,280 a second, OK? Yes, you do, Nick. 1163 01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:19,840 Look at the things that I do, all right? 1164 01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,680 And stop making me walk around that makes me feel like feel 1165 01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:24,080 terrible. You saying that makes me feel 1166 01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:25,600 like shit. And I don't like feeling like 1167 01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:27,480 shit. You should make me feel good, 1168 01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,920 Nicole. Oh, God, get off it. 1169 01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:32,120 You don't like feeling like shit. 1170 01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,720 Make yourself feel good. And Tom said. 1171 01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,040 I'm telling you, Nick. I'm telling you how I feel too, 1172 01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,000 Nicole. We've been hanging by a fucking 1173 01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:41,680 thread, OK? A thread. 1174 01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,960 You know it and I know it, Tom. Nick, I want this relationship, 1175 01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:47,080 OK? You know that. 1176 01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:50,440 And I've been making an effort. I have been, Nicole. 1177 01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:54,640 Tom, You know you haven't, Tom. Raised voice. 1178 01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,120 What are you talking about? How much more of an effort Do 1179 01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,800 you want me to fucking drive you to work every day? 1180 01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,360 No, no, I'm telling you, Nick, it's like you're being 1181 01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,520 unreasonable, man. And I'm sorry, but you are being 1182 01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:10,040 fucking unreasonable, Nicole. No, you know Tom. 1183 01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,880 What do I know, Nick? Nicole, just look at your 1184 01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:16,200 behavior, Tom. Because it's frustrating, Nick. 1185 01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,120 That's why I'm yelling. Because at a certain point, an 1186 01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,880 individual has to say. What are you talking about, 1187 01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,720 Nicole? Not an individual, Tom. 1188 01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,440 Stop talking in generalizations. You know exactly what I'm 1189 01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,280 talking about. And you can yell and scream and 1190 01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,000 carry on and swear, but you know exactly what I'm talking about, 1191 01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,760 Tom. No, I don't, Nick. 1192 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,480 Tell me what I haven't done. I didn't go out to set tonight 1193 01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,280 to see you, Nicole. Not tonight. 1194 01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:40,560 Tom. Have you done anything? 1195 01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:42,520 Have you come out to set once? OK. 1196 01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:46,040 Have you sent me a rose? Have you, Tom? 1197 01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:49,080 Have you sent me a rose? I came home with two roses. 1198 01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,520 Nicole, did you give me anything? 1199 01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:54,360 Did you give me a note? Did you give me a bunch of 1200 01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,040 flowers? Tom? 1201 01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,720 Nick, did I get any flowers? And I came back from Eyes Wide 1202 01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:00,040 Shut. I was waiting here. 1203 01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,760 I had the candles lit. I had a bath ready for you, 1204 01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,440 Nicole. I don't really want this, OK? 1205 01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,400 I don't want to spend my whole dinner break on the phone 1206 01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:11,240 yelling, Tom. No, because you think about what 1207 01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,560 you don't have, Nick. Why don't you try thinking about 1208 01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:17,200 what you do have, Nicole? No, Tom, I know what I have. 1209 01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,040 I have two glorious, beautiful children. 1210 01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,360 I had a great relationship that is now not a great relationship, 1211 01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:24,120 OK? I know that. 1212 01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,840 I know that, Tom. OK, Nick. 1213 01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:30,160 All right. OK, Nicole, I have a career that 1214 01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,000 I work very, very hard at, and so do you. 1215 01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,040 But I have a loving, loving family. 1216 01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:38,600 I know all this, Tom. All right, Nicole, And until we 1217 01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:41,000 start admitting something and dealing with this stuff, it's 1218 01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,960 never going to go anywhere. Tom just gets worse and worse. 1219 01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,440 You know, it surprised me that I didn't get anything on the first 1220 01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,040 day of shoot, Tom. Right. 1221 01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:52,200 Nick, I bought brought you the most beautiful Indian jewelry a 1222 01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,360 week ago for finishing a picture for and for starting your new 1223 01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:57,680 picture. I knew everything was going on, 1224 01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:58,480 honey. Come on. 1225 01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,440 You knew I went out of my way. You knew. 1226 01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:03,240 It's about the fact that I love you, Nick. 1227 01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,640 Nicole, a little red rose. It's something. 1228 01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:09,320 You want to know something? No, Tom, it's not. 1229 01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:11,920 I guess like the tape kind of became inaudible. 1230 01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:15,400 And then she says you yell and scream and hurl abuse and say 1231 01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:19,120 I'm so fucked to have a relationship with and I'm so 1232 01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,120 awful and I'm such a bitch and all this stuff. 1233 01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:23,840 Well, you want to know something that's really bad? 1234 01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,120 That's bad, Tom. I know. 1235 01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,840 I know this Nicole. And that's what they name an 1236 01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,040 emotional abuse. Tom. 1237 01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:34,479 I know also the emotional abuse that I'm under, Nicole. 1238 01:08:35,319 --> 01:08:36,640 Tom, there's no love here, right? 1239 01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,840 You're under emotional abuse. I'm abusing you. 1240 01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,479 You're abusing me. Tom, this isn't worth it. 1241 01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,040 You have two very unhappy people, OK, who spend too much 1242 01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,920 time apart and the past have hurt each other too much. 1243 01:08:47,319 --> 01:08:50,000 Tom. Nick, everything's fine. 1244 01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:52,640 And then it's like you go on. I didn't get you a rose for 1245 01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,319 starting a week ago. A week ago, you were just going 1246 01:08:55,319 --> 01:08:57,279 and I just got You Beautiful Indian jewelry. 1247 01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,560 It's like one thing. It's like one thing I don't do 1248 01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:01,680 right. It's just Nicole. 1249 01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:05,359 No, No, it's not. And you know Tom, yes it yes it 1250 01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:08,120 is Nick, I come home, I've got 2 roses for you. 1251 01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,600 I'm so happy to see you. I come home, you come home, I've 1252 01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,439 got candles lit, I've got the kids organized for you in bed. 1253 01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:19,000 And what do you say? I don't think she answered. 1254 01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:23,240 So now I'm skipping ahead. They seem to make up a little 1255 01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:24,800 bit. Well, never even not yet. 1256 01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:27,560 Tom says listen to me Nick, just listen to me. 1257 01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:28,800 I miss you. I love you. 1258 01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,560 I think about you all day long. You're a knucklehead. 1259 01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:32,920 I'm a knucklehead for thinking that. 1260 01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:34,760 I don't care. I'm not loving. 1261 01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:36,720 I'm embarrassed that I was tired last night. 1262 01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,479 I apologize. OK, Tom. 1263 01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,520 It's every night. Tom. 1264 01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:43,760 That's not true, honey. That's not true. 1265 01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:45,359 I'm recovering from a broken foot. 1266 01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:48,279 Look at. Look at a little of the effects, 1267 01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:51,720 Nicole. I do look at some of the things 1268 01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:53,120 you say. You're exhausted. 1269 01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:54,600 How do you think that makes me feel? 1270 01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:56,680 I'm just trying to. I'm just trying to do something 1271 01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:58,320 for our son. Tom. 1272 01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,840 Just give him a cake and he's happy in a movie and dinner and 1273 01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,080 it'll just be you, me and Isabella. 1274 01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:04,600 You know? I love you, OK? 1275 01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,840 I care about you and I care for you and I love you. 1276 01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:11,440 Think of a husband, you know? I mean, Nicole. 1277 01:10:11,440 --> 01:10:14,560 Tom, all I call, all I hear is you got to come. 1278 01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,000 You got to come. I don't hear any consideration 1279 01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,840 for me or anything. And then angry yelling at me on 1280 01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,200 the phone, I come back and I come back. 1281 01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:24,920 And all the time you're saying how exhausted you are. 1282 01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:28,720 Well, I'm sick of it, Tom. Hey, Nick, listen to me. 1283 01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:29,640 OK? Come on now. 1284 01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,120 It's 11:00 PM at night. I've been up since 6:30 in the 1285 01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:34,560 morning. OK, Nicole, but every night. 1286 01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:37,360 Why don't you have a little bit of excitement and say hi, baby 1287 01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:38,560 Tom? I did. 1288 01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:40,640 And then I said hey, baby Nicole. 1289 01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:44,320 No, you did not, TomTom. I can take a little excitement. 1290 01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,720 I've been waiting for you, Nicole. 1291 01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:48,160 I don't want to go on and on. There's some. 1292 01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,800 There's someone listening on the phone, Tom. 1293 01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,840 Who's there? Nicole, you know people outside. 1294 01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:57,480 Oh, fuck them. We're on the cellular. 1295 01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:59,000 Oh, fuck em. I don't care. 1296 01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,280 We're right on location. There'll be someone sitting 1297 01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:03,520 outside. Hey, Nick. 1298 01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:04,640 Nick. What? 1299 01:11:05,480 --> 01:11:07,520 Nick, It's going to be better. We're going to be all alone 1300 01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:08,720 together on Sunday with the kids. 1301 01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:10,080 He'll have his cake. He'll love it. 1302 01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:12,080 He'll have a ball. All he cares about is that 1303 01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:13,880 chocolate cake and getting some presents. 1304 01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:18,920 And then it seems like they kind of make up. 1305 01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,600 Tom says. OK, listen to me, OK. 1306 01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:22,800 I love you. Just know that. 1307 01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:26,480 All right? We're not by a thread, he says. 1308 01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:28,280 Yeah. He says, all right. 1309 01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,360 Nicole whispers I love you. He says sleep. 1310 01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:33,680 Nicole says bye. And Tom says I love you. 1311 01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:36,520 Bye. There's a lot. 1312 01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:42,120 I would not expect a rose like the first day of the new job. 1313 01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,600 Especially when you're an actor, you know you're starting a new 1314 01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,440 job all the time. It must be a thing for actors 1315 01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:51,560 because I remember Elizabeth Taylor expected gifts for the 1316 01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:53,960 start of every movie. It's so strange to me. 1317 01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:56,000 I've never. Gotten a gift for a new job I. 1318 01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:01,360 Know never. I really wouldn't expect that, 1319 01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,080 but yeah, that must be a courtesy. 1320 01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:05,120 Too much. I should let that go. 1321 01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,520 That's way too much. That's. 1322 01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:08,040 Too. I know. 1323 01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:11,320 I mean, supposedly he just got her Indian jewelry. 1324 01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:16,200 So yeah, that's pretty nice. See, I feel like I, like I said, 1325 01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:19,040 I like gift giving. I love gift giving. 1326 01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:22,400 But you, that can't be all you have. 1327 01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:26,480 It sounds like that relationship started on kind of a superficial 1328 01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:30,240 foundation, and now it's like they're like, do you even like 1329 01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:31,600 me? You're not buying me gifts 1330 01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:33,080 anymore? Yeah. 1331 01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:40,440 It almost seems to me maybe she got used to that and I, I, it's 1332 01:12:40,440 --> 01:12:43,240 kind of contradicting what I read before because it said 1333 01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:45,600 like, oh, she was pulling away and wasn't interested anymore. 1334 01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,840 But it seems like she's upset that he's not giving her as many 1335 01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:50,520 gifts. So I don't know if then he kind 1336 01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:51,600 of stopped. I don't know. 1337 01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:53,400 I mean, it doesn't really sound like it if he just gave her 1338 01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:55,960 roses. And earrings or jewelry. 1339 01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:58,760 It kind of makes sense though, because if that's how your 1340 01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:02,160 relationship started, that would be like a measure of the other 1341 01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:06,560 person's affection. And if that, it would be kind of 1342 01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:09,600 scary to be like, oh wait, maybe they don't love me as much 1343 01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,600 anymore. Yeah, I thought it was funny how 1344 01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:17,840 she was tired of him saying he was exhausted at the end of the 1345 01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:19,000 day. Yeah. 1346 01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:23,520 So, so normal. But yeah, I think he is kind of 1347 01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:25,560 acting. I don't know how far it is. 1348 01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:27,520 I don't know if it's that he's checked out or he just kind of 1349 01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:31,200 like is normal now, like he's not being hyperactive with the 1350 01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:34,360 gifts and all the ideas and everything, but he's just kind 1351 01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:36,240 of chilled out. And I think that she's worried 1352 01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:38,240 that that, yeah, that's a bad sign. 1353 01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:43,080 Yeah, well, it doesn't seem, I guess when they're both so busy 1354 01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:47,520 working too, it's like doesn't seem like they are spending time 1355 01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:51,480 together otherwise at the end of the day when they go to bed and 1356 01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:55,640 there's not much there. But like you said, I don't think 1357 01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:57,360 they really knew each other at the beginning of the 1358 01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:02,080 relationship anyway. So it's not really a good 1359 01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:04,120 dynamic. But it's funny. 1360 01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:06,560 I mean, we don't know how the beginning of the conversation 1361 01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:11,480 started, but it seems like it's not about anything. 1362 01:14:11,480 --> 01:14:15,040 There isn't like one incident that they're fighting about and 1363 01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:18,040 they're trying to problem solve. I guess maybe like the birthday 1364 01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:22,840 party, but it's more just like, I can't believe someone recorded 1365 01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:25,800 this. It's like a big like, I know, 1366 01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:29,200 conversation of like, oh, should we even be together? 1367 01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:31,320 That's so crazy. We have that. 1368 01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:36,240 It is crazy. It, it is like a super dramatic 1369 01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:38,160 conversation. It's not just them saying like, 1370 01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:39,320 oh, what time are you going to be home? 1371 01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:41,600 Like, OK, yeah, I picked up this. 1372 01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:43,240 I'll put it in the fridge. Like, you know, it's not just 1373 01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:46,040 like this boring conversation. It is like we're hanging on by a 1374 01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:48,920 thread. Seriously, do we know who 1375 01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,320 recorded that? Someone in Scientology I'm 1376 01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:55,360 guessing. No, it was actually a journalist 1377 01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:59,160 and it was a celebrity photographer somehow. 1378 01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:01,920 I don't know how he did it. I don't know how people do that 1379 01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:05,080 and hacking and everything, but recorded it and he was actually 1380 01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:08,720 fined and jailed for it. Wow, yeah, it does seem illegal. 1381 01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:13,240 I hope it's OK that we read it. Yeah, I think so. 1382 01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:19,040 I was just reading it off a website I I had nothing to do 1383 01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:21,840 with it. No, seriously, it's public 1384 01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:23,800 information. It's out there now. 1385 01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:27,760 Yeah, so crazy, man. I don't think either of them 1386 01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:29,960 came out very good in that conversation, I'll just say 1387 01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:31,320 that. But I mean, they didn't. 1388 01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:32,960 No one ever thought it would be out there. 1389 01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:38,600 So I do feel bad. But an associate said that it 1390 01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,960 seemed like Tom still loved Nicole but she had grown out of 1391 01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:46,480 love and was unhappy, he liked the chase and that she was 1392 01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:49,760 unattainable. This associate unnamed person 1393 01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:53,960 also described Tom as a jock and that he wasn't as sophisticated 1394 01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:57,200 as Nicole and that Nicole felt like she'd outgrown him. 1395 01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:01,000 Shortly after this or around this time Nicole starred in a 1396 01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:06,000 play called The Blue Room that was very sexual, had her do sex 1397 01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:11,760 scenes and appear naked on stage alongside her Co star Ian Glenn. 1398 01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:17,680 And apparently Tom and Ian did not get along and Ian would 1399 01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,440 flirt with Nicole right in front of Tom when they would go to 1400 01:16:20,440 --> 01:16:22,520 dinner. Ian was married too but there 1401 01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:26,120 were rumors that Nicole was having an affair with Ian. 1402 01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:30,800 And I was wondering, who is this guy? 1403 01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:34,600 And I googled him and I was like, Oh my God, because he was 1404 01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,320 on Game of Thrones and he is hot. 1405 01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,720 He was really, I mean, on Game of Thrones, he's like 50 or 1406 01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:43,720 something. And he's even hot on Game of 1407 01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:45,320 Thrones. But like when he was younger, he 1408 01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:49,840 was a really attractive guy. So yeah, he. 1409 01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:54,120 Is. She's beautiful, so I I can 1410 01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:56,880 understand her being maybe being attracted to him. 1411 01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,720 I don't know. And Tom being jealous crazy. 1412 01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:03,280 And apparently Tom went to see her in this play over 20 times. 1413 01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:05,200 So perhaps keeping an eye on her. 1414 01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:08,120 I'm just looking at pictures. Yeah, he is really attractive. 1415 01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:16,800 I know I've kind of sidetracked that plot line. 1999, They're 1416 01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,720 both beginning some big name projects. 1417 01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:23,040 Moulin Rouge, Mission Impossible Two. 1418 01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:26,000 Yeah, he had done Mission Impossible one already. 1419 01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:29,960 Magnolia. In early 1999, apparently Tom 1420 01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:34,120 received a notice from Scientology executives about a 1421 01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:38,440 potential trouble source his wife, because in a recent 1422 01:17:38,440 --> 01:17:41,680 interview, Nicole had said that she was a little Buddhist, a 1423 01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:44,880 little Scientology, and that she was raised Catholic in that a 1424 01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,000 big part of her was still a Catholic girl. 1425 01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:48,960 I guess they were concerned about that. 1426 01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:53,400 Very shortly after Eyes Wide Shut came out, the director 1427 01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:57,560 Stanley Kubrick died. And I guess Tom was really they 1428 01:17:57,560 --> 01:17:58,880 both were really distressed about this. 1429 01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:02,960 They had spent a lot of time with him and Tom sort of became 1430 01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:06,360 like a control freak over like handling the rest of the movie, 1431 01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,760 like the distribution of it and logistics of the movie. 1432 01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:13,040 So I guess he died before the movie came out and there were 1433 01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,760 more rumors coming around about their relationship and more 1434 01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:18,800 suing happens, more rumors about an affair. 1435 01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:22,640 There was this story about how Nicole was interviewing with a 1436 01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:26,160 journalist and apparently was on a hotel bed with the journalist, 1437 01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:31,080 apparently just flirting. And Tom called her from home and 1438 01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:34,200 she answered with the guy. And I don't know, I don't think 1439 01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:36,880 anything really came of it. But it seems like he's getting 1440 01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,920 like, overwhelmed, thinking that his wife is so sexy and all 1441 01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:43,160 these men are into her. And he was kind of freaking out. 1442 01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:46,400 But Tom had repeatedly said that he could handle the sex scenes 1443 01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:49,000 that she was in, and that everything he'd seen so far, he 1444 01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:53,160 could handle it. So do they have nannies watching 1445 01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:54,320 their kids? Yeah, OK. 1446 01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:57,720 I know when they first got their daughter they had two that were 1447 01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:03,400 on hand 24/7 so oh wow. I'm guessing they still did. 1448 01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:08,320 So now it's 2000 and December 2000 so I guess it's the end of 1449 01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:10,720 the year. On their 10th wedding 1450 01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:13,120 anniversary they renewed their vows. 1451 01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:16,920 However, things were actually not going that well between 1452 01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:17,960 them. I. 1453 01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:23,080 Cotton feels that case with celebrities like you renewing. 1454 01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:24,480 Yeah. I feel like you hear about these 1455 01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:28,320 celebrities, like, renewing their vows, and it gives the 1456 01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:30,800 impression that, oh, wow, they're a really solid couple. 1457 01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,360 But then like a year later, you hear that they get divorced. 1458 01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:36,960 And it almost seems like it's like a desperate last plea to 1459 01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:40,040 reignite their marriage. I remember John and Capless. 1460 01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:41,440 They did it. I remember. 1461 01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:44,440 I think Seal and Heidi Klum would do it like every single 1462 01:19:44,440 --> 01:19:49,480 year and it never actually means anything. 1463 01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:53,560 I wonder if it's because they go through this really difficult 1464 01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:55,880 time. Maybe she was cheating with Ian 1465 01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:58,280 Glenn. I don't know, like maybe or I 1466 01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:00,800 don't know, I don't want to put that on Nicole Kidman. 1467 01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,960 But maybe they were having a really horrible time and they 1468 01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:07,160 they kind of got through it and they're like, all right, like 1469 01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:10,520 let's let's start a new. But sometimes you can't really 1470 01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:14,640 forget things that happen. Especially if things keep 1471 01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:16,080 happening and things weren't going well. 1472 01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,800 He apparently wanted the children to grow up in 1473 01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:23,160 Scientology, but she did not. And she wanted to spend more 1474 01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:25,280 time in Sydney to be near her family. 1475 01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:30,200 And they both were still super career oriented, so it was 1476 01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:33,440 getting difficult to compromise in any way. 1477 01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:41,280 And in February 2001, February 4th on a Sunday, Tom's lawyers 1478 01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:45,560 provided documents to Nicole out of nowhere, announcing that Tom 1479 01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:47,120 wanted a divorce. Wow. 1480 01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:50,080 Less than two months after renewing their vows. 1481 01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:52,800 Yeah. That's so business like. 1482 01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:54,880 It's a business transaction at that point. 1483 01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:59,240 It's like the same way he did it with Mimi Rogers, just matter of 1484 01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:01,880 factly being like, I want a divorce. 1485 01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:04,320 Yes. Seriously, isn't there supposed 1486 01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:07,280 to be like a conversation? I know. 1487 01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:09,800 Wow. According to court documents, 1488 01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:14,360 she was shocked and suggested counseling, but he insisted that 1489 01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:17,240 the decision was final after 10 years together. 1490 01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:18,840 That's scary. I know. 1491 01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:23,640 Apparently Tom hired a detective to follow Nicole, but then this 1492 01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:27,000 detective got arrested for following her. 1493 01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:30,920 I guess I don't know. And Nicole hired her own Private 1494 01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:34,920 Eye to make sure no one was wiring her phone or anything. 1495 01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,920 It got really messy with a lot of other people involved. 1496 01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:39,720 Like, there's a lot to it, I could say. 1497 01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:41,920 But basically, it was just really messy. 1498 01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:45,600 And tragically, while details of their divorce were being worked 1499 01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:49,160 out, Nicole actually suffered a miscarriage because she'd been 1500 01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:53,040 pregnant, which is really sad. And that's like, such a horrible 1501 01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,400 time to be going through that. Yeah. 1502 01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:58,960 Did he know that she was pregnant when he issued the? 1503 01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:02,760 Divorce papers? I don't know if he did, but I 1504 01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:06,280 read that he sent flowers to her but did not visit. 1505 01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:10,280 Oh, that's shitty. I know like what the hell? 1506 01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:12,680 How how does that happen? Like you were so in love with 1507 01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:15,960 her, obsessed sending roses all the time. 1508 01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:19,440 If I got honestly, receiving flowers would be worse than 1509 01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:22,560 nothing at all. That's cold that that almost is 1510 01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:25,240 like salt in the wound at that point. 1511 01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:29,240 Seems like he just completely discarded her capital N 1512 01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:34,680 narcissist. And I, I don't know, this is me 1513 01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:37,160 just inferring and kind of reading between lines. 1514 01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:39,440 I mean, we don't know them. I know I probably shouldn't do 1515 01:22:39,440 --> 01:22:43,720 this but I feel like she was sort of in more of a power 1516 01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:46,760 position at this point and that she had a lot of men falling in 1517 01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:48,480 love with her. She was being really seen as 1518 01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:50,920 this, like, beautiful sexual lady. 1519 01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:54,600 And I feel like she was kind of losing interest, or at least she 1520 01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:58,320 was just branching out from him. I'm not saying that she wanted 1521 01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:02,320 to leave him, but I think that she was becoming more her own 1522 01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,840 person outside their marriage. And I feel like he couldn't 1523 01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:06,720 handle that. He wanted someone to be, like, 1524 01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,840 obsessed with him. And I feel like once he started 1525 01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:13,360 to feel that, that he was just like, OK, this is over. 1526 01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:16,040 But that's just me guessing. Yeah. 1527 01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:20,280 August 8th, 2001 they were officially no longer husband and 1528 01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:23,040 wife, but unfortunately they still had to do press for the 1529 01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:26,320 movie The Others, which she starred in and he was the 1530 01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:29,160 producer. So awkward. 1531 01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:34,600 Yeah, Nicole told a magazine after the divorce. 1532 01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,000 Now I can wear heels and everybody. 1533 01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:38,680 Laughed. Yeah. 1534 01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:40,320 And her career was doing really great. 1535 01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:43,320 After their marriage ended, she was nominated for best actress 1536 01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:46,800 for Moulin Rouge in 2001. And then she won best actress 1537 01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,760 for the Hours in 2002. And apparently she started 1538 01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:53,480 reconnecting with her Catholic faith, which is nice. 1539 01:23:53,480 --> 01:23:55,680 She was, you know, getting away from Scientology. 1540 01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:58,240 But even though that all sounds great and all, like she's on the 1541 01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:02,080 up and up, it's not that simple. Because even though they had 1542 01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:06,080 joint custody of their children, apparently behind closed doors, 1543 01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:10,160 the children remained apparently loyal to their father and 1544 01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:13,680 decided to live with him and were raised in the cult of 1545 01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:16,440 Scientology. How very suspicious. 1546 01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:21,840 Yeah, they would be young. Like if, if the oldest is like 1547 01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:24,880 one of the younger 1 is like my grade, right? 1548 01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:28,400 I said so. And that was 2001. 1549 01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:32,320 So like first grade. I guess the girl would be like 1550 01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:34,880 in 3rd grade or something. So what? 1551 01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:39,240 Why do you find it suspicious? I just don't even get how a kid 1552 01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:41,400 can decide that. Yeah. 1553 01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:45,440 And why even if a kid said that, like, why would it matter? 1554 01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:47,720 Like, it's not up to the kids, you know? 1555 01:24:48,120 --> 01:24:52,360 Yeah, especially if there's a court issue that they have joint 1556 01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:54,000 custody. Yeah. 1557 01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:56,280 Yeah. Like I also feel like kids at 1558 01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:59,400 that age are just inherently bonded with their mother most. 1559 01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:00,760 Of the time. I know. 1560 01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:03,680 I just find it so weird. I can't really wrap my head 1561 01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:07,240 around it. So Katie Holmes, that's a whole 1562 01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:09,960 other story. But when she started dating Tom 1563 01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:12,560 Cruise, and this is jumping ahead, I guess she did very much 1564 01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:14,640 step into the role as like stepmom to them. 1565 01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:18,600 And I guess Nicole mostly kept in touch with them over e-mail 1566 01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:21,160 and webcam, but she didn't really see them that much. 1567 01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:25,600 And I just and people think it's because of the whole Scientology 1568 01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:27,680 thing. You know, she was seen as a what 1569 01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:31,400 is the phrase like problematic person or but I just I still 1570 01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:34,000 don't get how that could happen though. 1571 01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:37,360 How legally could she not really see her children or like how 1572 01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:40,720 would they end up with Tom? Like I just, I don't get it. 1573 01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:46,480 And those kids were so young, like, it's not like they would 1574 01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:49,720 be willing to make that decision to not see their mom because 1575 01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:51,320 she's not a Scientologist anymore. 1576 01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:53,400 Like a kid, what does that matter? 1577 01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:59,320 But I guess maybe they're so indoctrinated, it indoctrinated 1578 01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:03,040 at such a early age that like, maybe they believe like, oh, 1579 01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:06,240 someone leaving Scientology, they're a bad person. 1580 01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:10,840 And I bet Tom Cruise maybe was like, telling the kids stuff 1581 01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:16,560 that turned them against Nicole, like maybe saying she cheated on 1582 01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:18,440 me. She's the reason our family is 1583 01:26:18,440 --> 01:26:22,160 breaking up, like traumatizing those kids in some way to 1584 01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:23,880 abandon their mother. Yeah. 1585 01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:27,040 Maybe I, I just, I can't, I don't know. 1586 01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:30,320 I mean, I think obviously the problem like is Tom, but I am 1587 01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:32,320 just questioning what was going on with Nicole. 1588 01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,440 Like I just don't get. Yeah. 1589 01:26:34,440 --> 01:26:36,880 Why she couldn't just like just take the kids? 1590 01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:39,040 Like I don't, I just don't get watching see them. 1591 01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:40,960 Like I can't, I can't figure it out. 1592 01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,800 Yeah, like maybe. Was she not fighting hard enough 1593 01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:45,600 for them? I don't know. 1594 01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,760 Seems like somehow Katie Holmes was able to get her daughter 1595 01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:49,680 out. Yeah. 1596 01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:51,840 Like what did she do that Nicole didn't? 1597 01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:57,360 I don't know and I don't I just I have I'd have to research more 1598 01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:00,360 the Katie Holmes things. I don't even get OK, like her 1599 01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:02,160 just like threatening them. Are they like threatening their 1600 01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:04,000 life? Like how serious is this? 1601 01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,640 Like, why can't you see your kids? 1602 01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:09,120 I just I don't the law would be on their side. 1603 01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:10,640 I think they don't like Scientologists. 1604 01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:16,040 Like, I just don't get how the this cult could, yeah, do this. 1605 01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:18,520 And even if they were threatening to like, do they 1606 01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:22,160 have something on Nicole? What would even be worth it to? 1607 01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:25,080 Like, I feel like no matter what my darkest secret is, like I 1608 01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:27,040 don't, I wouldn't care. I would let it be out there. 1609 01:27:27,440 --> 01:27:29,320 Is it Tom's? Are they blackmailing him? 1610 01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:30,840 Like who cares what his secret is? 1611 01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:33,520 Like I just. I can't wrap my head around this 1612 01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:36,240 scenario. Yeah, I know. 1613 01:27:36,480 --> 01:27:39,520 I guess only if they were threatening your life would you 1614 01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:44,000 back off, but even then, I feel like a parental, a parent's love 1615 01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:47,280 is like so strong that you would fight for your kids so 1616 01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:49,680 wholeheartedly. Because could she, I mean, it 1617 01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:52,200 would be really messy and difficult, but couldn't she take 1618 01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:54,000 them? And like, how did he even get 1619 01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:55,640 custody? Like, couldn't she say, like, 1620 01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:58,520 he's in a cult? Yeah. 1621 01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:01,960 Like, give me my kids. Like, I just don't understand 1622 01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:05,200 how this happened. Yeah, I don't know. 1623 01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:07,800 I don't get it either. But that's so weird. 1624 01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:12,000 She apparently hasn't been pictured with her adopted 1625 01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:16,520 children, with Tom since 2007. She could have still seen them, 1626 01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:18,000 but what? It wasn't photographed. 1627 01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:20,800 And she apparently was devastated after her kids didn't 1628 01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:23,320 attend her father's funeral in 2014. 1629 01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:29,000 So, I mean, now the kids are older still 2014, like, well, I 1630 01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:29,960 don't know. That's. 1631 01:28:30,440 --> 01:28:32,200 Yeah, they would be like college age. 1632 01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:33,880 I guess so. Yeah. 1633 01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:37,360 I guess they decided they they wanted to stick to Scientology 1634 01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,680 and to stick with Tom, which is crazy. 1635 01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:42,880 I know, but I guess yeah. If she had been more of a 1636 01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:47,720 present in their life, would they have bonded with her more? 1637 01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:51,360 To be so loyal to Tom, they must. 1638 01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:53,720 Those kids must have been so brainwashed. 1639 01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:57,480 I'd have to assume from such an early age that like it was 1640 01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:01,240 almost impossible for her to win them over in some way. 1641 01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:05,280 It's sad, It's really sad. Like they had, I just can't even 1642 01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:07,280 imagine that. I mean, being with your kid 1643 01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:11,280 every day, they're your children and and then you. 1644 01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:15,440 Know, I feel like the different element here is like they're not 1645 01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:18,760 with their kids every day, like they have a nanny that's 1646 01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:23,080 watching them most of the time. So like, I hate to say, like is 1647 01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:27,080 the bond not as strong? Maybe, yeah, there's just 1648 01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:31,240 something weird about beyond just even the fact that Gab like 1649 01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:32,760 the Scientologist, there's just something weird. 1650 01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:36,280 About it, I know I always find it so odd about like these 1651 01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:41,200 celebrities who are estranged with their kids, but like as a 1652 01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:45,720 public figure, we know that like I feel like it's pretty taboo in 1653 01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:47,440 real life. Like you probably have a friend 1654 01:29:47,440 --> 01:29:50,040 or some someone who like doesn't speak to their one of their 1655 01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:53,360 parents or whatever, but like to know that like a parent doesn't 1656 01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:56,320 speak to their kid. It's such a sad thing to think 1657 01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:59,120 about and it's just weird that like we know that the whole 1658 01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:02,120 world knows that you don't have this relationship. 1659 01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:03,760 It's something that's so personal, but. 1660 01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:07,880 Yeah, she has recently talked about it and she's to Who 1661 01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:10,720 Magazine and said I'm very private about all all that I 1662 01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:12,560 have to protect all those relationships. 1663 01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:16,640 I know 150% that I would give up my life for my children because 1664 01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:19,960 it's what my purpose is. They are able to make their own 1665 01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:21,960 decisions. They have made choices to be 1666 01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:24,960 Scientologists and as a mother, it's my job to love them. 1667 01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:28,080 And she added that Connor and Isabella are adults. 1668 01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:32,080 Yeah, that is interesting though, because saying that I 1669 01:30:32,080 --> 01:30:34,280 would give up my life for them. Like if there was any type of 1670 01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:37,640 blackmail when they were younger, she definitely was in 1671 01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:40,880 the position where she could fight for the kids to be with 1672 01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:43,080 her at least half of the time. Yeah. 1673 01:30:43,440 --> 01:30:47,640 Maybe she did up to a point, but they just like didn't want to 1674 01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:48,680 see her. I don't know. 1675 01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:52,160 So right after the relationship, Tom. 1676 01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:55,980 So rewinding a little bit, he actually briefly dated Penélope 1677 01:30:55,980 --> 01:31:01,200 Cruz, which one is weird because it's almost the same last name 1678 01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:02,680 but just spelled differently. True. 1679 01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:06,400 Pronounce the same, too. Odd because he courted her 1680 01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:08,640 basically the same way as he did with Nicole. 1681 01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:13,000 Like he saw her in a movie and he wanted to work with her and 1682 01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:15,760 was like, let's get her to be in the movie. 1683 01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:19,040 And then it overlapped at the end with Nicole, actually. 1684 01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:22,000 And Nicole said that he swore up and down that there's nothing 1685 01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:25,480 going on with Penélope Cruz. But then they were together. 1686 01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:30,760 Oh, that's disturbing. And then he dated Sofia Vergara 1687 01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:32,000 actually, which I. Don't know. 1688 01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:33,480 I didn't know that. I know. 1689 01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:37,320 And then Katie Holmes, of course, and they had their 1690 01:31:37,320 --> 01:31:39,920 daughter Siri Cruz, who's 18 now. 1691 01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:42,440 And it as, as you said, it's believed that Tom has no 1692 01:31:42,440 --> 01:31:46,680 involvement in her life, Nicole. After their divorce, she was 1693 01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:49,640 rumoured to be dating the Counting Crows frontman Adam 1694 01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:54,160 Duritz and Russell Crowe. And then she was briefly engaged 1695 01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:58,320 to Lenny Kravitz, which I find crazy because then she was in 1696 01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:00,680 Big Little Lies with his daughter later in life. 1697 01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:03,080 And then she married Keith Urban. 1698 01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:06,880 And they had two daughters, Sunday Rose and Faith Margaret. 1699 01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:12,000 And that's where she is today. Tom, I feel like, is trying to 1700 01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:14,200 have kind of a comeback. But I do feel like Scientology 1701 01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:17,920 has sort of ruined his reputation, You know, people, 1702 01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:21,840 people do think, I think people still do have like nostalgia for 1703 01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:25,160 his early movies, and people kind of miss that. 1704 01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:28,400 But I do think in a way now when people think of him, they're a 1705 01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:32,120 little creeped out by. Yeah, he scares people. 1706 01:32:32,480 --> 01:32:36,280 And I feel like he, the alpha male thing has gone too far. 1707 01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:39,080 I know during COVID there was like a video that came out a 1708 01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:42,200 couple years ago where he was like yelling at everybody on set 1709 01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:44,640 about mask mandates and stuff and. 1710 01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:49,200 Yeah, like, Oh my gosh. Even if you are on his side, 1711 01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:51,200 it's like you should not be speaking to people like that at 1712 01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:52,880 work. How would you speak to people 1713 01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:56,160 behind closed doors? Nicole and Keith do seem really 1714 01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:57,480 happy. I'm happy for her. 1715 01:32:57,480 --> 01:32:59,520 Yeah, they do. They're still together. 1716 01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:00,920 I feel like it's been a long time. 1717 01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:03,760 They always are standing, like so close to each other, like 1718 01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:06,440 holding hands. I've noticed like at award 1719 01:33:06,440 --> 01:33:09,680 shows, they're very touchy. He seems like a gentle soul. 1720 01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:12,480 Keith Urban. I know nothing about him but. 1721 01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:13,840 You know more than me. I don't. 1722 01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:17,240 I don't even know that. But, but good. 1723 01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:18,640 I hope. I hope they stick together. 1724 01:33:20,480 --> 01:33:23,400 Odds that Nicole Kidman and Tom Cruise get back together. 1725 01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:26,280 Oh, nothing. I don't even think they're so 1726 01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:29,600 interesting though in Hollywood. Like they had such a contentious 1727 01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:32,560 relationship, but I bet they've been in the same room since 1728 01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:35,880 then. I mean, this woman acts like 1729 01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:39,360 she's in so many freaking thing. As I said in the beginning with 1730 01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:42,720 because Charlie and I were looking at her after I rented 1731 01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:44,760 the movie, we were looking at her little. 1732 01:33:45,480 --> 01:33:49,200 It was on Amazon, like her actor profile and all her movies. 1733 01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:51,960 And I just couldn't believe it. Like, Oh my gosh, she's in this 1734 01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:53,240 and this and this and this and this. 1735 01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:56,160 Like, yeah, they must have been in the same room. 1736 01:33:56,240 --> 01:33:57,400 That's. Wild. 1737 01:33:57,400 --> 01:34:00,360 And that's kind of. Sad too, though, because if 1738 01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:04,560 she's like estranged from their kids, yeah, and then she's at 1739 01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:08,120 like an award show and sees. Their dad, like, that's crazy, 1740 01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:09,680 yeah. That's. 1741 01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:11,960 Weird. I wonder if she's in a way kind 1742 01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:15,960 of like giving up on having a relationship with those kids. 1743 01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:20,840 Maybe, maybe he just wants to throw in the towel on the whole 1744 01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:24,680 cruise thing. I mean that could have. 1745 01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:26,960 I was thinking that too, that could have been it, like maybe 1746 01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:31,040 she just really wanted to leave Tom behind, that she, I hate to 1747 01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:34,760 say but like was willing to just let him have custody so she 1748 01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:38,560 didn't have to deal with him. But I would hope not. 1749 01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:44,320 Spooky. I know it actually is really 1750 01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:48,600 creepy. Scientologists. 1751 01:34:49,440 --> 01:34:52,440 Have you ever watched Leah Remini's documentary? 1752 01:34:52,440 --> 01:34:56,080 I've watched a little bit about she is she was like a she was 1753 01:34:56,080 --> 01:35:00,600 raised a Scientologist from the time she was young and I was 1754 01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:04,320 like as a kid, I guess. Sounds like some crazy stuff, 1755 01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:07,560 like even like Danny Masterson who was on That 70s Show. 1756 01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:12,000 He is a Scientologist and like he wow, trigger warning. 1757 01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:18,720 He was arrested for raping women and his accusers claim that the 1758 01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:22,920 Church of Scientology sent people to poison their dogs. 1759 01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:27,520 They're like what dogs And kill them to silence them and to not 1760 01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:30,040 speaking out. My God against him. 1761 01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:32,600 Maybe she did. Fear for her life or their life. 1762 01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:36,280 Yeah. I mean, maybe that's easy. 1763 01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:38,680 Tom is so high up there. Yeah. 1764 01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:42,320 I wonder if he still like loves it or if he feels trapped. 1765 01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:46,440 Yeah, I know. Because in a way, like you said, 1766 01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:52,800 his power or his reputation in Hollywood is hindered by 1767 01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:56,880 Scientology at this point. Yeah, but it seems like he's 1768 01:35:56,880 --> 01:36:01,040 sticking with it. Well, that's Nicole Kidman and 1769 01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:03,000 Tom Cruise. Well, that was so. 1770 01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:05,440 Interesting. Thanks, Cal. 1771 01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:11,360 Who are we talking about next? Week, next week, I'm sticking 1772 01:36:11,360 --> 01:36:16,240 with the Halloween theme. This is a very gothic couple. 1773 01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:23,320 I would say it is a novelist and a poet, and it's another 1774 01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:27,200 historic 1, and that's all I'll say about that. 1775 01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:32,080 Was that too vague? Well. 1776 01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:34,600 People, there are always people who guess it each week. 1777 01:36:35,240 --> 01:36:41,520 And if you guys want to guess, every week on our Instagram, the 1778 01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:45,440 day before the episode comes out, we ask you guys to put your 1779 01:36:45,440 --> 01:36:46,880 guess in about who it's going to be. 1780 01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:49,440 And it's so fun every week to see who people think. 1781 01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:52,440 It is so fun. So yeah, thank you guys 1782 01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:56,080 listening and we'll get back together next week. 1783 01:36:56,600 --> 01:37:02,480 Bye. Is your heart filled with pain? 1784 01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:11,960 Shall I come back again? Tell. 1785 01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:17,040 Me dear heart, you, Lord.