1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:07,560 Are you lonesome tonight? Do you miss me tonight? 2 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:18,400 Are you sorry? Hi guys. 3 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,720 Welcome back to Significant Lovers. 4 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,360 I'm Mel. And I'm Kel. 5 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:29,080 We're two cousins. Two cousins and best friends and 6 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:33,560 we love talking about love. I truly do. 7 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,840 I'm so excited to be here. This is our first episode of the 8 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,920 New year well that we've recorded in the New year and it 9 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,240 feels like it's been a while. Yeah, because it kind of has 10 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,720 when. It does, yeah. 11 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:50,720 So thanks everybody for listening. 12 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:52,720 Who are we talking about today, Mel? 13 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:58,240 So today we are talking about model and entrepreneur Karlie 14 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,240 Kloss and her husband, Joshua Kushner. 15 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,160 Billionaire Joshua Kushner, also entrepreneur. 16 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:11,800 He is most famous probably for being the younger brother of 17 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:17,440 Jared Kushner, the son-in-law and former advisor to Donald 18 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,720 Trump. And I feel like this couple, 19 00:01:21,320 --> 00:01:24,200 someone from recommended this couple a couple months ago. 20 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,280 They're intriguing, I think, for multiple reasons, like one 21 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,280 because of that political connection and the controversy 22 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,640 that is tied to that, but also the distance that they have 23 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,960 tried to establish for themselves from the Trump 24 00:01:39,960 --> 00:01:45,680 administration while also being very closely related to Jared 25 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:52,040 and Ivanka, and also, of course, the conspiracies about Karlie 26 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:56,000 Kloss and Taylor Swift. And you know, that's not going 27 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:00,240 to be a big part of this episode because Full disclosure, I'm not 28 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,840 a Gaylor. I'm not, you know, we we just 29 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,720 did our Larry episode. I can understand. 30 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:06,920 Yeah, that was last. Week. 31 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,919 Yeah, I can understand, you know, how people fall down those 32 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,200 rabbit holes, but that's not going to be a part of this 33 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,600 episode. So Gaylor is the theory. 34 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:18,920 Anyone that doesn't know? Because a lot of people don't 35 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:20,000 know. I know, yeah. 36 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:25,480 The theory, the conspiracy theory that Taylor Swift, the 37 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,440 singer, I mean, I think everyone knows who she is, had a 38 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,200 relationship with Karlie. Kloss. 39 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,640 Yes. But all of that takes place 40 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:37,120 during the timeline in which Karlie Kloss was dating Joshua 41 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,280 Kushner. So I I did a little research to 42 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,440 be like, OK, like why do people then believe that they were 43 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,480 dating and she clearly had a boyfriend, but people think that 44 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,240 Josh is secretly gay and that Carly was his. 45 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:56,560 Oh Oh my gosh. Actually after 'cause I was 46 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,880 editing the Larry episode recently and then I went on 47 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:01,680 YouTube. I've done this before, but I was 48 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,600 watching a lot of Larry clips and I got to say, if anyone it's 49 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,400 still skeptical, I urge you to go watch some videos of Larry 50 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:14,040 because it was convincing me. Yeah, I actually think I really 51 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,760 believe it now. I mean, there's some of the 52 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,680 parts to Caitlin didn't mention. I was like, what the heck, why 53 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,240 didn't you mention this? But I guess there's just too 54 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,000 much. But anyway, I'm getting 55 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,920 sidetracked. Before we get into the episode, 56 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,120 you know, on the podcast, we've talked a lot about how mental 57 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:33,320 health can affect relationships and we recently learned of an 58 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:38,000 organization that is doing a lot of important work to combat OCD 59 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,720 in relationships. Yeah, it's called no CD. 60 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:46,080 And you know, OCD is more than what you see on TV and in the 61 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,920 movies. If you imagine having unwanted 62 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,800 thoughts about your relationship stuck in your head all day, no 63 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,760 matter how hard you try to make them go away, that's 64 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:59,080 relationship OCD, which I feel like is a less known about type 65 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,760 of OCD, but it comes with unrelenting intrusive images, 66 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,240 thoughts and urges about your partner, a loved one. 67 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,320 And breaking the OCD cycle takes effective treatment. 68 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:15,320 You can go to no CD, so that's NOCD dot com to get evidence 69 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:19,320 based treatment. And on no CD you can book a call 70 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,000 with a face to face licensed therapist. 71 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,280 And no CD is sponsored by most insurance companies. 72 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:29,040 So yeah, it's a really cool organization that I feel like is 73 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,960 pretty relevant to our show and anybody that's struggling with a 74 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,320 breakup. If you know someone, a loved one 75 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:40,520 that is maybe having issues with relationship OCD, then you 76 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:45,520 should tell them about no CD. But I have listened to some 77 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:50,360 podcasts about the Taylor Carly theory and I haven't really been 78 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,560 convinced yet. But I'm intrigued to hear a 79 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,080 little bit more also about like what Carly was also doing 80 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,240 otherwise in her life, you know? I feel like people don't really 81 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,360 see Carly as her own person. They see her as an extension. 82 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,600 And I feel like people really don't like Carly because they're 83 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,200 suspicious of her, maybe because they think, you know, she's so, 84 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,200 you know, tightly associated with the Trump family. 85 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,000 And then also obviously it seems like there was some type of 86 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,280 falling out with Taylor Swift and so that makes people 87 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:24,800 automatically not like her. But I will say that I can 88 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,080 totally see why Carly and Taylor were good friends, because 89 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,080 they're both really tall, they're both blonde, he kind of 90 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,680 look alike. And they both they do to have 91 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:38,800 very much a business focus to them and their personalities 92 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,360 just seem very similar. So I don't really sense anything 93 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,200 romantic, just more like twins in a way. 94 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:49,440 Mm hmm. I really don't know anything 95 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,760 about this couple, so I'm really intrigued all. 96 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,280 Right. Well, let's get into it. 97 00:05:54,280 --> 00:05:58,920 So, Carly, She was born August 3rd, 1992 in Chicago. 98 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,840 She's the second child among four daughters. 99 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,520 Her parents were Tracy, a freelance director, and her dad, 100 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:11,800 Kurt, was an ER doctor. And when she was just we 101 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,280 toddler, her family moved to Saint Louis and she grew up 102 00:06:15,280 --> 00:06:18,560 studying ballet. She always saw herself becoming 103 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,680 a professional dancer and she was also on the cheerleading 104 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,040 squad at her high school. Oh. 105 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,720 Cheerleader. Yeah, you know, Miss Popular. 106 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,440 And then at 14, Carly was at the mall when a modeling agent 107 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,240 approached her, which I feel like always is happening. 108 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:36,880 I know. What the heck? 109 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,520 Models. People just come up to them and 110 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,600 say, wow, you're gorgeous, you should do some modeling. 111 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:48,840 And so they recommended that she walk in a charity runway fashion 112 00:06:48,840 --> 00:06:51,160 show. And then that led her to getting 113 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,320 booked for her first modeling job for Calvin Klein. 114 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,120 And she would then go back and forth between Saint Louis and 115 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:02,440 New York for modeling gigs before permanently relocating to 116 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,320 New York City, I think at like 15 or 16. 117 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:10,480 And by 15, she had walked in over 64 fashion shows for 118 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:15,240 designers like Alexander Wang, Marc Jacobs, Christian Dior and 119 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,360 Dolce and Gabbana. And to describe Carly, she's 120 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,320 described herself or others have described her as a homebody. 121 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,520 She loves baking cookies. Like, see, that's so Taylor 122 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,960 Swift to me. She's described herself as being 123 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,640 a big math and science nerd. I've read that she's very kind, 124 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,400 but I do get the sense that she's very media trained. 125 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,440 She's very polished. Like a lot of her interviews 126 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,920 seem a little scripted, but that's OK. 127 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:44,680 Like you want to. I can see that thing. 128 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,520 Yeah, you know the like interview. 129 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,600 Not to bring up Taylor Swift one more time, but like the 130 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,800 interview she does like a 76 questions, like Vogue thing. 131 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,320 Carly. Yeah, you know, the, you know, 132 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,400 when the Vogue videos, were they like, oh, yes, yes, yes. 133 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,040 I mean, I think most of those are scripted. 134 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,600 But the guy asks her like, what's the truth about you and 135 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,280 Taylor Swift? And she goes, The world wants to 136 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,520 know, or Jennifer Lawrence wants to know because, like, Jennifer 137 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,960 Lawrence made a joke about it one time and she's like, don't 138 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,560 worry, Jen, We're still good friends. 139 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:22,480 It's like, OK, no, like, that's not people really do want to 140 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,440 know you're not that stupid. But I. 141 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,920 Hate how scripted those things are, but some people's do feel 142 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,640 more or less scripted. Yeah. 143 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,799 Oh my. It's kind of embarrassing 144 00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:35,880 watching those. It's. 145 00:08:36,039 --> 00:08:38,919 It's so interesting, you know, just thinking about different 146 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:42,320 personalities of people that become famous and like, who are 147 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,120 the people that want to be, you know, put themselves out there 148 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:46,280 and be wacky and weird, whatever. 149 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,360 And then there's some people that just want to, you know, be 150 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:54,360 professional, just not really express themselves that much. 151 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,400 They're just getting by on saying nice things and. 152 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,440 I mean, yeah, it's like mysterious. 153 00:09:00,560 --> 00:09:03,720 Yeah. I watched the Simone Biles Vogue 154 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,360 one and she seems so sweet, but it's so awkward because she just 155 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,000 answers the question. But that's realistically how a 156 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,800 lot of people probably would because like, she's an athlete. 157 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,840 She's not trying to be like character. 158 00:09:15,560 --> 00:09:20,080 But when you watch other people's like Taylor Swift's or 159 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,600 like Lively's or something, they're really trying to go for 160 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:27,640 some type of personality here. But anyway, anyways, yeah, I 161 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,200 would say she's polished. She seems pretty driven and like 162 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,520 I said, also pretty business oriented. 163 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,160 I don't know much about her, but even I know that she had some 164 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:37,640 stem. Yep. 165 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,880 Coding thing. She's doing that will come up 166 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,920 because I feel like that is heavily influenced by her 167 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,920 relationship with Josh. Oh, OK and to be? 168 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,360 Honest. I don't even know if he goes by 169 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:50,680 Josh. I'm just going to call him 170 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:56,760 Joshua. He's born June 12th, 1985, and 171 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:01,160 he was born into a family of real estate developers, starting 172 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,480 with his grandfather Joseph Kushner, who had escaped the 173 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,720 Holocaust. And then he founded what would 174 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:11,400 become a huge real estate profile of over 4000 apartment 175 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,920 buildings in New Jersey. And he then left those 176 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,560 properties to his sons, one of which was named Charles Kushner, 177 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:23,440 who is Josh's Joshua's dad, who founded Kushner Companies, which 178 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,360 grew to include commercial and residential properties in New 179 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,920 York City, which is now worth around $2 billion. 180 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:33,960 Wow, so Chuck Bass. Really. 181 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,120 Chuck Bass? And so Charles and his wife 182 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:43,720 Sarah had four kids, Dara, Jared, Nicole and Joshua and 183 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,960 Joshua and his siblings were raised in an incredibly affluent 184 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:52,800 town called Livingston, NJ, and they were raised as Modern 185 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:57,280 Orthodox Jews. And he told Forbes in 2012 that 186 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,560 on holidays his dad would take him to construction sites to 187 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:03,920 hunt for potential real estate, saying the idea was when 188 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,000 everyone is relaxing, you should be working. 189 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:10,120 The ball doesn't come to you. So intense. 190 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,680 I know, really intense. I feel like they had a very 191 00:11:12,680 --> 00:11:17,440 buttoned up, very rigid childhood and the family is 192 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,800 going to come up throughout this episode and this is going to be 193 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,720 the theme of the episode. It's like, you know, you don't 194 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,760 just marry a person, you marry their family. 195 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,680 And like, to what degree is that important to you if you don't 196 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:33,880 really like the family? But yeah, it seems like they 197 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,360 were pretty strict about the standards that they had for 198 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,400 their kids. Yeah, I believe he attended 199 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:44,040 Fresh High School, which is a Modern Orthodox private school. 200 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,000 That I say, I believe because I know that his older brother 201 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,760 Jared did, But not much is known about Josh. 202 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:53,520 He's definitely the quieter sibling of the two. 203 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:55,280 Well, there's four above the two brothers. 204 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,560 And then in 2004, he enrolled in Harvard University as a 205 00:11:59,560 --> 00:12:01,600 government and political science major. 206 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:06,920 And I guess I don't know if this is relevant for Josh, but five 207 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:11,280 years earlier his older brother Jared also went to Harvard, one 208 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:15,360 year after their parents had made a $2.5 million donation to 209 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,640 the school. And so I don't know if they also 210 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,880 made a donation for Josh attending the school. 211 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:27,200 But it just seems like this is a family that has a lot of money 212 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,200 and they're going to do what they can to, you know, have 213 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,280 their kids get ahead. Right. 214 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,000 Hello, Harvard. Yo. 215 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:42,240 Yeah, they they probably are getting any Kushner in Harvard. 216 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,800 Yeah, if they want to exactly. So, Gossip Girl. 217 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,960 I know, it's really Gossip Girl. And so this was also around the 218 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,920 time when Mark Zuckerberg was at Harvard and had. 219 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:57,040 Oh my gosh, the Facebook. That's so exciting. 220 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,080 I know. And so everyone at this point 221 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,800 was like trying to come up with a business in their dorm rooms. 222 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,840 And so together Josh with his two classmates, pulled together 223 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,280 around $10,000 to create a social network company called 224 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,600 Vostu, which was a Facebook alternative targeted towards 225 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,040 Brazil. And it flocked. 226 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:21,240 But it later became a Brazilian gaming app, and because of this 227 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,160 business, he rarely attended classes and would often be 228 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:29,080 flying back and forth from, my God, Latin America. 229 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,400 Yeah, I don't know if that's still the craze, but there 230 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,360 definitely was a time period when it was. 231 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:38,120 So like all these people in college, including like 232 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,720 Elizabeth Holmes, the I forget what her business is called, but 233 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,160 it was like the thing to do to be at a prestigious school and 234 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,520 come up with a business while you're there and drop out. 235 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:54,200 Yeah, I kind of hate that. I would be so like finish, you 236 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:55,600 know? Yeah, just finish. 237 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,760 Like just enjoy school. I don't know. 238 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,880 I I would just be so unattracted to that if I was like like. 239 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,240 And then it just seems like that's all they care about is 240 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,120 their stupid little business and making money and. 241 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,240 I don't know. Well, I don't know if it's 242 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,400 stupid little Mel. I mean, some of these people 243 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,280 become like billionaires. I know. 244 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:19,840 I don't know. But, you know, be young and stop 245 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,040 trying to be like Bill Gates or something. 246 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,920 I don't know. I You're right, though. 247 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:30,840 They do become successful. So then in 2005, Joshua's dad, 248 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:34,760 Charles he was arrested and sentenced to two years in prison 249 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:40,200 and charged a $40,000 fine for tax evasion, witness tampering 250 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,080 and illegal campaign donations. Oh my goodness. 251 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:49,240 Kind of embarrassing, so I'm sorry to keep bringing this up, 252 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:53,640 but so, Nate Archibald. No, yeah, I was just thinking 253 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:54,920 that. Gossip Girl. 254 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,160 Yeah. I mean, I haven't watched 255 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,160 succession, but is that kind of succession like like people are? 256 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,360 No. Kind of, yeah. 257 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,920 I don't think no one goes to prison for that reason. 258 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:13,400 But yeah, kind of, yeah. Covering stuff up, yeah. 259 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,160 I almost wonder if Gossip Girl definitely had a lot of real 260 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:21,200 life influences. I wonder if that story maybe was 261 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,920 inspired by the Kushner family, because at that point, like they 262 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,520 were like a prominent known real estate family. 263 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,560 Maybe. So he had other business 264 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,520 ventures. In 2010, at just 24 years old, 265 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,640 Josh was loaned $5,000,000 to launch Thrive Capital, which is 266 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,800 a venture capital firm focused on media and internal 267 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,000 investments. Did you just gasp with the 268 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,600 $5,000,000? Yeah, that's crazy. 269 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,920 The company was one of the very first investors of Instagram and 270 00:15:55,920 --> 00:16:00,200 now has investments in so many large Internet companies 271 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:05,400 including Spotify, GitHub, Slack, Open AI, you name it. 272 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:10,200 And now it's estimated to have a net worth of $3.6 billion. 273 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,480 So very successful. But I will say like he became 274 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:18,960 very like obviously at a $5,000,000 loan, but his success 275 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:23,520 is independent from the real estate company that his family 276 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,560 had established. So it seems like he obviously 277 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:31,840 must have some talents and a strong work ethic independent 278 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,000 from his family's wealth. Yeah. 279 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,000 And I would describe him obviously having an 280 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:42,040 entrepreneurial mindset, very business oriented. 281 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:46,440 Like Carly, he seems kind of serious and also quiet. 282 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:52,320 He's been described as having boyishly handsome looks and 283 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:57,200 works like a dog. So how would you describe this 284 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,880 relationship in three words? Oh, I would say low key, 285 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:06,119 wealthy, obviously. And mysterious. 286 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:13,079 So all right, it's so mysterious that I don't totally know how 287 00:17:13,079 --> 00:17:18,319 they met, but they definitely either met or became official in 288 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:24,079 2000, June of 2012, cause four years later Carly would describe 289 00:17:24,079 --> 00:17:26,400 that as their four year anniversary on Instagram. 290 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,760 OK, so it's unclear, like, totally how they met. 291 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:36,040 But they were introduced, seemingly by socialite Derek 292 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,640 Blasberg, who's a mutual friend of theirs. 293 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:43,480 Because years later, at their wedding, he would post a photo 294 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,760 of them the day they met. And he said, I took this pic The 295 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,240 night that Karlie Kloss met Joshua Kushner in 2012. 296 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,920 We told Joshua Kushner that Karlie Kloss could dunk a 297 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,360 basketball. It was a lie, but their hearts 298 00:17:56,360 --> 00:18:02,080 went swish so. Was he tagging him or why was he 299 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,280 doing first name? Last name with those flags. 300 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,560 OK, I know. Yeah, sorry. 301 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:10,720 But that's interesting. And in the photo, Josh is 302 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,960 wearing a cowboy hat and Carly was wearing Bunny ears. 303 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:18,200 And then an August Instagram founder, Kevin Systrom posted a 304 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,760 photo of them embracing on the beach from far away and he 305 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,840 captioned it. I think my friend likes her. 306 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,320 So that's back in 2012. And remember, like Josh was a 307 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:34,200 very early investor of Instagram and so actually Carly first made 308 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,800 her Instagram account June 2012 when she met Josh. 309 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,400 He probably said you gotta invest in this, like you gotta 310 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:47,280 make an account. I'm an investor, so. 311 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:53,240 Yeah, I don't think I I didn't make an account until 2014 or 312 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,600 so. Yeah, it took me a while too, 313 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:56,600 but. I was a little late. 314 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,200 I remember my friend Lauren was like, you can post selfies on 315 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:04,680 here. Like you can't do that on 316 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,320 Facebook. I know I remember at first being 317 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,880 so confused, like why do we need a different app just for 318 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:15,200 pictures, but I don't know. I feel like Facebook could have 319 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,000 been great. I don't. 320 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:19,880 I don't know. It's just kind of like the mood 321 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,520 changed. But I feel like the platform 322 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:26,000 itself had. Everything there I know, but 323 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,800 like the newsfeed changed so much and like everyone's parents 324 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,440 got Facebook and it the live just changed. 325 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,840 I just spent because my boyfriend just requested me on 326 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:39,720 Facebook. And wow. 327 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,600 After a couple months, But I was like, oh gosh, I'm going to 328 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,080 clean my Facebook up a little bit before I accept it. 329 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,280 So I just spent about like 30 minutes going through my old 330 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,840 Facebook statuses. Not that I think he'd scroll all 331 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,840 the way down, but I was like, I don't. 332 00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,320 I don't know. I gotta. 333 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,680 Yeah, I've never done that. I've just kept everything. 334 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,320 I was annoyed by how the settings didn't make it easy for 335 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,880 me to do it, though I was having trouble. 336 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,560 There's like way too much in the settings, but not the tangent. 337 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,880 I know, yeah. Anyway, yeah, so many tech 338 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,640 business guys. I know, Yeah, I think that 339 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:28,480 really influences Carly. So then in November, Us Weekly 340 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,880 is the first report that Carly and Josh are dating when they 341 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,880 attend the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show after party 342 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,080 together. And they say after walking the 343 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:42,160 runway in several super skimpy getups, the flawless American 344 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:46,400 born supermodel 20 hit in a after party with a very lucky 345 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,200 guy on her arm. New York City based investor 346 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,120 Joshua Kushner, The 27 year old Instagram investor seemed 347 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,280 nervous and shy around everyone, but handled it well. 348 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,200 Carly is stunning and the sweetest girl ever. 349 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,920 She's stuck close to him. All right, sweet happening. 350 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,040 Meanwhile, the Daily Mail reports that Carly has purchased 351 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,240 her first home in the West Village in order to be close to 352 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,200 her new boyfriend. Jealous. 353 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,840 Then we're 2013. Around this time, Josh starts 354 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,480 posting a lot of photos of Carly, but they're always like 355 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:22,080 of her back from far away. And he posts a photo of her at 356 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,040 Coachella with the caption Coachella. 357 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,920 And then they made the yes, yeah. 358 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,360 Then they made their first appearance together as a couple 359 00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:38,520 at the Robin Hood Foundation Gala in New York City, and 360 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,760 they're photographed together throughout New York by paparazzi 361 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:46,560 pretty frequently, but not much is known about them as a couple. 362 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,160 But apparently these years and their relationship were pretty 363 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:54,840 challenging because Joshua's family heavily disapproved of 364 00:21:54,840 --> 00:22:00,760 her for one, not being Jewish, and two because she was 365 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,640 Victoria's Secret model, which they believed was beneath the 366 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:09,760 family and they This would all be alleged in an expose about 367 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,400 the Kushner family, which came out years later in 2019. 368 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,520 And apparently the whole family would talk poorly about Karlie 369 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,640 behind her back and they would call her the lingerie model. 370 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:26,520 And Joshua's parents refused to meet her for six years and 371 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,680 banned Josh from bringing her to any family functions. 372 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,360 Wow, I did not know that. Yeah, and wow. 373 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,920 Apparently they also had issues with Ivanka Trump, but they were 374 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,400 a lot more open to her because she went to an Ivy League school 375 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,680 and she came obviously from another high profile real estate 376 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,560 family. So, like, from a business 377 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,080 standpoint, she was lucrative to them. 378 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,840 Wow. That would be tough for me. 379 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,160 I feel like if I was that early in a relationship. 380 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,280 I mean, granted she's so young, I don't know if, if I knew that 381 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,560 family like hated me. I don't know if I would be able 382 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:09,120 to keep pushing forward. That would be really hard. 383 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,800 Wait, so how old was she around this time? 384 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,720 21 and he's in his late 20s. What you were saying earlier 385 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:23,200 about some people say that he was gay and she was a Taylor 386 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,120 Swift. Like, why would she bother with 387 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:28,840 this really difficult family if it was exactly it? 388 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,160 Seems weird to me. If he was gay and needed a cover 389 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,920 up, why would he be doing that with like someone his family 390 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:39,680 disapproved of? Yeah, that doesn't make sense. 391 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,240 It's already like if if he was gay and he needed to cover up, 392 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,320 it'd probably be because of his family. 393 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:48,040 So why would he then date someone that his family hates? 394 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:54,400 Yeah, and if he's super rich and good looking, he could probably 395 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:59,040 find a more convenient cover up. Exactly so. 396 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,680 But I asked you guys, 'cause you know, like when you marry 397 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,520 someone, you also marry their family. 398 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,800 And so I said, with this in mind, would you still marry 399 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,680 someone? We're skipping ahead like 400 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,320 they're married now? Spoiler Would you still marry 401 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,360 someone even if you hated their family or they hated you, 'cause 402 00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:18,440 like, she's also gonna. There's also gonna be conflict 403 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:23,880 once like the Trump's come in. And interestingly, 37% said yes, 404 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,040 true love is worth it, but the majority of people, 63%, said 405 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,240 no. I have to protect my peace. 406 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:34,920 Wow wait, I missed this poll, Mel. 407 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,400 Yeah, this was a couple hours ago. 408 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,200 Quick people. So quick to. 409 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:40,840 Vote. They are. 410 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,400 I really want to read some of your responses. 411 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:44,920 We asked this on Patreon, by the way. 412 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,240 Sierra said yes or no. It's hard. 413 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,800 I put yes because if your relationship with the person is 414 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,600 healthy and they stand up for you and uphold boundaries with 415 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,960 their shit family, then it could still work. 416 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,360 But if you don't have a good relationship with your own 417 00:24:58,360 --> 00:25:01,040 family, you might want to prioritize a good relationship 418 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,240 with your partner's family. So then you may have to give it 419 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,760 up. And Devin said such a hard 420 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,680 question definitely depends on the relationship you have with 421 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,400 your potential spouse. If they're going to stick up for 422 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,360 you and be willing to always pick you, then I think true love 423 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:18,520 is worth it. But if there's a chance it'll 424 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,080 cause tension between you as a couple, or if your spouse will 425 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,120 have resentment over the situation, then probably not 426 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:26,720 worth it. And Aaron said so. 427 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,440 If my partner didn't have a good relationship with his family, 428 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,240 then it's not their fault and it won't really matter as much if 429 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,320 the family hates me or I hate them. 430 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,720 But if they're super close and get on really well and they hate 431 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,000 me, then like red flag question mark. 432 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,800 I totally agree with everything said. 433 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:49,040 Like I feel like it depends on how much your partner is willing 434 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,400 to stick up for you. Yeah, totally it. 435 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:57,240 It would depend. I think if your relationship is 436 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,360 already kind of rocky and then that is a thing going on too, 437 00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:04,440 then I think it's not worth it. But yeah, I I agree with what 438 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,920 everybody said. Like if you're super in love and 439 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,240 if your partner's there for you and sticks up for you or 440 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,600 whatever the heck situation is, then yeah, I think, I don't 441 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,360 think you would let that get between you. 442 00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:18,800 But that's tough. That's tough. 443 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,640 I don't know. It's tough for me to tell how 444 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:26,360 close Josh is with his family because he's never said anything 445 00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:28,880 bad about them. But everything I read does 446 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,600 indicate that he is very close with his brother Jared, and they 447 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:37,200 just agree to disagree when it comes to politics and the whole 448 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:42,280 Donald Trump of the matter. But regarding his two parents, I 449 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,400 I wonder if there is. I mean, I'm sure the Carly 450 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:53,880 situation created conflict, but I wonder if he is not super 451 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,000 close with them just because he chose not to go into the family 452 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,720 business of real estate and like seemingly has done his own. 453 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:08,400 Thing that is hard that. I mean, I feel like it would be 454 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:13,160 hard to to be the one that has the difficult family because 455 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,600 that's your family. Like even if they are difficult 456 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:23,000 or causing problems, it's a lot to ask someone to. 457 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,960 It's it's like impossible I think to ask someone to like not 458 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,000 care about your parents or your family. 459 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,080 Yeah that's your family. Like you don't have another one. 460 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,360 And I know some people do disown their family, but I don't know. 461 00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:38,480 I just think that would be really, really hard, even if you 462 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,000 disagree with them on a lot of things. 463 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,840 Yeah, exactly like this is only family. 464 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:45,840 Yeah. But. 465 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,120 I mean, that's who he calls. If he's like, if he's 466 00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:50,680 distressed, if he needs help like that, that's who you go to, 467 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,240 you know, like you, you can't like, really replace that. 468 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,560 Yeah, exactly. Although I don't know what it's 469 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,520 like. Family life is like for the 470 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,400 Super elite and rich like that. Like, I wonder if it is a little 471 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,560 colder. Me neither. 472 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,760 But this here's the thing and I get it. 473 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,480 Like, it is such a cultural thing. 474 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,080 Like I'm I'm not a super religious person, but to me it's 475 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,240 like, don't you just want your kids to find love? 476 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,960 Whoever it might be, That's really how it should be. 477 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,120 It's it's always sad to me when parents are like, you know, 478 00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:23,720 unaccepting of the their partner for whatever reasons. 479 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,840 I guess religion is yeah, honestly almost seems like 480 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,520 religion takes a back seat in this case to just the fact that 481 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,040 she was a model because like I said they were pretty accepting 482 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,480 of Ivanka eventually. Granted, she also she had to 483 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,000 convert in order to get married. But. 484 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,600 Well, if they're orthodox, sounds like they're more 485 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,840 traditional. So I guess being a model, it 486 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,320 goes against like their values. I don't know, maybe that's why. 487 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:56,240 I think that's a big part of it. But so the couple you know, they 488 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,080 continue to date in June. They went to Iceland together on 489 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,080 a trip. They posted pictures. 490 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,520 Seems like they're having fun together. 491 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,720 Travelling in 2014. This is when Carly, I feel like 492 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,560 she starts to become more famous because she's very close friends 493 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,960 with Taylor at this point and they're hanging out a lot 494 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,440 together, which is seemingly a big part of the timeline in the 495 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:24,200 Gaylor lore. And you know what? 496 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,760 It is interesting because I will say Carly doesn't post Josh a 497 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:32,120 lot during this time, pretty much very infrequently. 498 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,240 I think he made his first debut on her Instagram in January 2014 499 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,400 with a picture of him that she simply captions at. 500 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,400 Joshua Kushner is usually behind the camera, and then she posted 501 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,360 a picture of him with his back turned and no hashtags or 502 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,880 anything. What does she mean by that? 503 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,440 Like, I don't take pictures of him. 504 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,880 He takes pictures of me. So yeah, but I don't think that 505 00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,600 means anything. Like, we've talked about this 506 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,480 several times. What episode even was it? 507 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,920 You're talking a lot about how people say. 508 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,560 Ariana. Some people don't. 509 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,040 Yeah. Yeah, I don't think it means 510 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,040 anything. No, I don't. 511 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,600 Really, everybody has like their own relationship to. 512 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:18,080 Exactly. Especially like if his parents 513 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,600 are still not approving, you might be keeping it on the down 514 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,800 low. Yeah, and maybe she just doesn't 515 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,560 want there to be a ton of comments about him from people 516 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,560 saying, like, who's? That, yeah, exactly. 517 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,160 I don't know. Exactly. 518 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,400 So then in February, she's doing an interview with Metro US and 519 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,560 she's asked if she believes in love at first sight. 520 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,240 And she says yes, I do. I was definitely not planning on 521 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,760 falling in love, but I think that's the thing about it. 522 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:46,240 You can't anticipate or plan it. And then in 2015, Carly takes a 523 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,240 break from modeling and she decides to go back to college 524 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,800 enrolling in NYU. But The funny thing is, I found 525 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,080 an article from back then which is from NYU local, which I think 526 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,400 it's like a student writing this and they're questioning if she 527 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,680 actually attends the school because one really never seen on 528 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,520 campus, she apparently didn't have an NYU e-mail or like an 529 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,520 account set up and. What? 530 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,040 She at one point, the person's really over analyzing it like 531 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,280 they're going through her Instagram and she's they're 532 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:23,200 like, OK, so she's at Coachella while finals are going on or 533 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,760 something like that. And then she's going to all 534 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,160 these different events and stuff. 535 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,800 And then like at one point Carly posts a photo where she captions 536 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,560 it back to school and it looks like she's studying. 537 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,280 But actually, the photo was taken five years prior for a 538 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:39,680 Teen Vogue. What? 539 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:42,920 Are you kidding? Me. 540 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,360 No. It's so funny. 541 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,360 It's like, does she actually go here? 542 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,480 And then later in the article there's a update saying that 543 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,000 there was an anonymous tip that she showed up to class for the 544 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,880 first time 3 weeks into the semester and she just didn't 545 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:01,200 even say anything. What So? 546 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,000 That's crazy. Yeah, for the first time. 547 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,280 Yeah, the class had already been going on for three weeks. 548 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,160 Wow. I don't know. 549 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,080 I mean, maybe she had special accommodations as a model, but I 550 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,080 feel like back then, like, people didn't really do online 551 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:23,640 schooling as much. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think she 552 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:28,400 was she she was enrolled, technically, but I don't know if 553 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,560 she was really going to classes. That's hilarious. 554 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,640 That somebody noticed that. OK, she's at Kotella, but 555 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,040 there's, you know, class going on. 556 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,760 What the heck? Yeah, but apparently she then 557 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,320 would go on to study computer science, which led her to 558 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,880 launching her own business called Code With Classy, which 559 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,640 is dedicated to leading coding boot camps aimed at helping 560 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,520 young girls learn how to code. And she said that like she was 561 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,400 inspired because she's always been a big math and science 562 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,560 nerd. And that she was partly inspired 563 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,880 because of her friend, Instagram founder Kevin Systrom, who I 564 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:13,040 think she knows through Josh. But I also came across a blind 565 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,800 item that apparently Josh had told Carly that she would need 566 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,600 to stop modelling for Victoria's Secret in order for them to keep 567 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:26,200 going with their relationship. So I can't help but wonder is, 568 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:31,520 you know, going back to college and starting her own business, 569 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:39,600 especially a STEM business, a little bit motivated by seeking 570 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:46,200 the approval of his family. Maybe, but I will say it is a 571 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:53,600 smart move to make because most people cannot get the same jobs 572 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,520 that they do for that long. That's true. 573 00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,640 You do age out of it, unfortunately. 574 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,560 I wish that wasn't the case, I really do. 575 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,440 But yeah, they have like teenagers on those runways, 576 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:11,080 early 20s, maybe mid 20s, but then it kind of ends. 577 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,600 It's not a dependable career. That is really true. 578 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,360 I always thought that was funny that she got into. 579 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,560 That was like, is that why he's like a backup career? 580 00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:23,600 I don't know. I really do wonder how well she 581 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,040 can code I'm. Curious. 582 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,040 I wonder. Because it seems so interesting. 583 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,679 It seems like she's more the face of it from a business 584 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:34,239 standpoint. But like, I don't really. 585 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,520 I don't know if she's really like a programmer. 586 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:42,320 I'm not sure. So then, in 2016, April Carly 587 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:47,639 took Josh to the Time 100 Gala, and in June she professed her 588 00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:50,880 love for Josh on Instagram for their four year anniversary. 589 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,239 But soon after that, they were photographed by paparazzi in New 590 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:59,880 York and what appeared to be an animated argument while walking 591 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,040 through the West Village. They both appeared visibly 592 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,480 emotional with angry body language, their arms flailing 593 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,080 like up and down in the air. You know the gestures that one 594 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,200 makes when they're angry. Yes, you can really tell that 595 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,000 they're in some type of fight. Not sure what it's about, but 596 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,880 they must have made-up because then in July they both attend 597 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:26,480 Taylor's famous 4th of July party that year in Rhode Island. 598 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,280 Josh is photographed in several of the group photos and a lot of 599 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:35,720 the Polaroids with Carly, so he's definitely in that squad at 600 00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:39,520 that point. So again, I find it hard to 601 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,840 believe that any relationship was going on. 602 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:52,680 But but also this year Josh had posted much less frequently Carl 603 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,760 photos of Carly on his Instagram. 604 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,640 He actually didn't post her for an entire year. 605 00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:02,160 But of course we can liken that to the fact that Josh is now 606 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,000 thrust further into the spotlight than he had ever been 607 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,840 before. He was pretty much a private 608 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:11,960 person, but based off his affiliation with his brother 609 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,240 Jared, who is now actively campaigning for his brother or 610 00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:19,760 his father-in-law, Donald Trump, people are looking into like 611 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,360 who? Who is Jared Kushner? 612 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:22,720 And like what? Where does he come from? 613 00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:25,120 And oh, he has a brother and oh, his brother's dating Karlie 614 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,000 Kloss. Yeah, and that would make sense 615 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,840 why he would pose to. Us. 616 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,240 Yeah. And I feel like he was being 617 00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:33,920 protective of her. But it's interesting because 618 00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:37,400 because of this connection, like this is when people also start 619 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,520 speculating and wondering if Taylor Swift might have been a 620 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,000 secret Trump supporter. Because there's all these 621 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,600 articles back then that are like, she's connected to the 622 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,840 Kushner family, but Carly and Josh are like, they make it 623 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,720 pretty obvious that they're not Trump supporters. 624 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,880 So it's so weird that like that was held against Taylor Swift I. 625 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,920 Mean he can't help what his brother's doing, and yeah, she 626 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,840 can't help what her boyfriend's brother's doing. 627 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:11,080 I don't know, it just seems a bit dramatic to me. 628 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,760 Yeah, and like they but, like, they make it pretty obvious. 629 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,800 But I feel like people like, let it just, like go over their 630 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,040 heads. Like, Josh told Esquire magazine 631 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,440 that he loves his brother and didn't want to say anything to 632 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,400 embarrass him, yet wanted it on the record that he's a lifelong 633 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,480 Democrat and would not be voting for Trump. 634 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,480 And then in November, Carly posted a photo of her voting and 635 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,080 she actually did the hashtag. I'm with her like for Hillary 636 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,280 Clinton. So it's like, they make it 637 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:43,360 pretty obvious, but people still buy association, are suspicious 638 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,440 of them. And then in January, Josh 639 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,000 attended the inauguration without Carly, though. 640 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:54,320 And then the very next day he attended the Women's March in DC 641 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,720 the day after the inauguration. And that got a lot of headlines 642 00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:01,960 because it's like, oh, like he's going to this like anti Trump 643 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:07,080 protest when his brother was just sworn in as the advisor for 644 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,480 Trump. But then a day later, he posted 645 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,240 a photo of himself inside the White House with Jared posing in 646 00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:18,240 front of JF KS official portrait, and it seems like he's 647 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:20,920 trying to send a message that he still supports his brother 648 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,440 despite disagreeing with him politically. 649 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:26,960 But Carly is like. Interesting. 650 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,480 He's like totally on two sides. Yeah, he really is. 651 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,840 He's quiet about it though. It's like he is like, I feel 652 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:41,120 like he wanted to be seen at the Women's March, but he doesn't. 653 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,360 He must like really still, like, be big on family because he 654 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,160 doesn't want to be going against his brother or like he doesn't 655 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,760 want that to be. Such drama. 656 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,920 I know, Awkward. So then he's profiled in Forbes 657 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,240 and they write. When he does leave the city, 658 00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:02,560 it's upstate to Stone cabin with a big fireplace and plenty of 659 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,000 privacy. Sometimes Karlie Kloss joins 660 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,120 him. Other times it's just him. 661 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:09,280 Just him. Yeah. 662 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:13,840 Wow. What is he doing? 663 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,920 Maybe he likes his solitude, I don't know. 664 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,240 He's a cabin man. Yeah, I get it. 665 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,280 Sometimes I want to do that too. I don't know where I would go. 666 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,800 Like, he wants to be, like out of the drama. 667 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,640 Carly has done interviewed by In Style, and she's asked how she 668 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,200 has time for romance amid her busy schedule. 669 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,680 And she says you make it work. We've been together almost five 670 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,360 years. Time flies. 671 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,760 It's crazy. He's a super solid dude. 672 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,520 I guess if you really were deep in the conspiracy theories, 673 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,080 you'd be like, that's a pretty generic answer, like. 674 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:51,600 Wait, that's a pretty what? Generic answer, but what else is 675 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:56,840 she going to say? Yeah, it's tough sometimes. 676 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,760 I don't know what to say when people are like how's Charlie or 677 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,920 like. You know, tell me about your 678 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,200 boyfriend. Like, I don't know what to like. 679 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,760 He's a great guy. Like, I say something like that 680 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,600 sometimes. I don't know. 681 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,120 Yeah, no, it's like, what is she supposed to decide? 682 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:18,040 But for their five year anniversary, Carly posts a photo 683 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,840 of them together and she captions it My Atoms. 684 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,120 Love your atoms. It's chemistry. 685 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,080 Happy birthday to my best friend and partner in crime. 686 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,680 The past five years of our adventures together have been 687 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,840 some of the best memories of my life. 688 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:36,200 I love you at Joshua Kushner. And then there are rumors that 689 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,320 they have broken up because he was absent at her 25th birthday 690 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,920 party in LA. However, it's then reported that 691 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,440 they were seen together on a trip in upstate New York, so it 692 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,480 seems like all is good. Good, Good, Good. 693 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:56,760 Then it's 2018 again. They're in the headlines because 694 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,320 they attended the March for Our Lives protests rallying for gun 695 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,960 reform. So contrary to Jared and Ivanka 696 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,240 and the administration, they're getting headlines as, oh, 697 00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:12,480 trouble in the family dynamics. Yeah, so again, but like, 698 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,880 they're making their, like, separation from them 699 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,520 politically. Like, pretty clear. 700 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,080 Carly gets an interview with Daughter magazine. 701 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,680 She asked why she keeps her relationship so private, and she 702 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,400 says it's not like I ever wanted to be so secretive about my 703 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,920 private life. Carolina Herrera always says a 704 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,840 woman who's an open book is boring. 705 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,560 There's no mystery anymore. I know in my life what really 706 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,720 matters to me. I'm not trying to hide that from 707 00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:36,960 the world. I just really like having a more 708 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,640 private, private life. I've got nothing to hide, 709 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:40,040 though. Hmm. 710 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,640 So she's trying to be mysterious. 711 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,200 I guess so. I always want to be a little bit 712 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:53,520 more mysterious myself. Then in July. 713 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,520 People magazine is the first to report that the couple is 714 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,840 engaged, a source says he proposed a few weeks ago during 715 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,720 a romantic weekend together in upstate New York. 716 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,360 They're both overjoyed and happily celebrating. 717 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,680 Their hearts are full and they're excited to build their 718 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,640 future together, and she confirms the news on Instagram 719 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,600 by saying I love you more than I have words to express. 720 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,840 Josh, you're my best friend and my soul mate. 721 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,840 I can't wait for forever together. 722 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:24,440 Yes, a million times over and. What do the gailers say about 723 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,480 this? You know what, I'm not sure this 724 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,640 should have been like a big breaking point for them, but 725 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,800 like, I don't think that anyone would fake a relationship that 726 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:44,080 much that they get engaged like after 5-6 years together, that's 727 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,360 a lot. Maybe they think that, like, 728 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,920 they really fell in love, though I'm not sure. 729 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:53,000 But this is also when folks online once again, even though 730 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,560 they've been together for years, people just start realizing like 731 00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,360 what Karlie Kloss is engaged to a Kushner, which is so annoying 732 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:01,960 because it's like, where have you been? 733 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:08,320 And so then they especially get suspicious of her because Ivanka 734 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,280 actually posts about it and she calls Carly her sister. 735 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,720 And so then that's not really good for Carly socially, I 736 00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:18,880 think. Then people start being 737 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,600 suspicious of her. But Carly, it's kind of awkward. 738 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,920 She never acknowledges Ivanka online. 739 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,440 And I feel like Ivanka is always trying to post stuff or not so 740 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,720 much anymore. But like, she would post stuff 741 00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:35,160 like supporting her and she just like wouldn't acknowledge it. 742 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,200 Oh my gosh. But you makes you wonder. 743 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,600 Like behind closed doors maybe they are pretty close. 744 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,120 Maybe. That's awkward, though. 745 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,240 So awkward and I feel like on Ivanka's part she's trying to be 746 00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:51,920 like see like look I'm I'm still friends with like I still have 747 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,960 some A list celebrity friends and. 748 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:56,920 Yeah. But. 749 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:03,080 Yeah, so. Awkward and Carly addressed the 750 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,840 backlash with Vogue magazine saying at the end of the day, 751 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,560 I've had to make decisions based on my own moral compass. 752 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,960 Forget what the public says. Forget social media. 753 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:12,920 I've chosen to be with the man I love. 754 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,120 Despite the complications, it's frustrating, to be honest, that 755 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,920 the spotlight is always shifted away from my career toward my 756 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,920 relationship. I don't think that the same 757 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,080 happens in conversations with men. 758 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,040 Maybe. Maybe I don't know about that 759 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,800 necessarily. Like, I feel like it's not 760 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,680 really about that, like. It's that, Yeah, it's. 761 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,600 Like, just about his brother and. 762 00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:47,880 Yeah, I mean, I usually totally empathize with those kind of 763 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,000 situations arguments. But I mean, we're just, we're 764 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:55,480 talking about this specific situation, and I feel like she's 765 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,280 trying to distract by saying it's like sexist, but like, no, 766 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,920 we're just talking about this. Yeah, exactly. 767 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,080 Like, I don't really know who else is in this exact situation. 768 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,440 Yeah, it's pretty unique. Partly, I don't know. 769 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,360 But she said Josh and I wonder, oh, sorry. 770 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,600 Oh, sorry, Yeah. I just, I don't know. 771 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,000 I don't know what it's like to be one of those people, those 772 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,760 billionaires, you know friends of heads of companies and I just 773 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,240 wonder how much it actually matters to them. 774 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,200 Again, I it's just ATV show. I don't know if it's real, but 775 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,520 on like succession, they kind of act like it doesn't matter to 776 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,280 them like it political divides basically that it's just it's 777 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,040 all about money, the bottom line. 778 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,440 And they'll they will hang out with people on like the other 779 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,800 side and they don't really care. It doesn't. 780 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,320 So I'm just curious. I don't think it does matter to 781 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,480 them that much because doesn't really affect them that much. 782 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,320 Like they're always going to be at the top regardless and they 783 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,640 have so much money like. That's true, yeah. 784 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,960 Issues really are not about them, but I think, I think for 785 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,440 them it more effects them if they care what other people 786 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,760 think about them. And I think Carly does. 787 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,960 Yeah, I don't know about Josh. I think he lays a little bit 788 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:18,320 more low, but I think it is important to Carly that people 789 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,920 know that she's not a Trump supporter and she said. 790 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,920 Josh and I share a lot of the same liberal values that guide 791 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:27,840 our lives and the things that we stand for. 792 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,000 We've grown. We've really grown together, 793 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,520 personally and professionally. Josh knows that. 794 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,840 I'm just a nerdy, curious human being. 795 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,040 I think that's why he loves me. We've had each other's back. 796 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:43,720 She's such a nerd. Yeah, such a nerd. 797 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:48,200 I'm always a little skeptical when people call themselves 798 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,600 that. So then in October, Carly and 799 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,840 Josh wed in a small Jewish ceremony in upstate New York 800 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,040 with only 80 guests in attendance. 801 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:01,200 And she later told Andy Cohen that she converted to Judaism 802 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,080 before marrying Josh. And she would say in an 803 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,320 interview, changing part of who you are for someone else can be 804 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,120 seen as weak. But you know what actually, If 805 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,080 you've been through what I've experienced, it requires you to 806 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,760 be anything but weak. It requires you to be stronger 807 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,520 and self loving and resilient. I really did not take this 808 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,560 lightly. It wasn't enough to just love 809 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,640 Josh and make this decision for him. 810 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,160 This is my life and I am an independent, strong woman. 811 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:31,000 It was after many years of studying and talking with my 812 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:33,960 family and friends and soul searching that I made the 813 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,400 decision to fully embrace Judaism in my life and start 814 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,400 planning for a future with the man I chose to marry. 815 00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:45,680 Yeah. I mean, people do it, yeah. 816 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,200 I mean it is. She likes it then. 817 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,320 Yeah, sure. Yeah, I think. 818 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:53,800 It for me. It would always be a little 819 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,440 awkward with the family though, to be like you really had a 820 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:02,160 problem with me, but it seems like they eventually did come 821 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,440 around to her. I wonder what her family thinks. 822 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,320 I'm not sure. I mean, they're a lot more 823 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,440 average than his family in terms of wealth. 824 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,640 So then in December, Carly and Josh went to South Africa for 825 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:22,080 their honeymoon. And then in 2019, Carly. 826 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,520 She is the host for Project Runway at this point and she's 827 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,160 asked about married life while doing press for the show. 828 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,280 And she says I love being married. 829 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:31,960 Honestly, I just feel really happy. 830 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,880 It's so nice to just have a home base. 831 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,600 I can't explain. Nothing has really changed, but 832 00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,440 in all the best ways it feels different. 833 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,760 I love it. And then, she added. 834 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,440 I'm sure everyone is juggling 10 things that you wouldn't even 835 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,120 realize for me. Like every woman, I'm just 836 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,560 figuring out how to continue to grow my career and balance my 837 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,400 personal and professional life. I feel really grateful that I 838 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,040 have a partner, my husband, who's an incredible support to 839 00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,320 me and wants to help me accomplish my dreams no matter 840 00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,480 what they are. I wish. 841 00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,880 I do wish Josh was interviewed a little bit more so I could hear 842 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,960 him talk, but we don't really get that perspective 843 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,640 unfortunately. Who is this guy? 844 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,480 He is pretty good looking. He is pretty definitely a lot 845 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:18,800 better looking than his brother Let. 846 00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:26,400 Me Look up a picture of him. Oh, he is cute. 847 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,720 I would totally have a crush on. Him, isn't he? 848 00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:35,240 He he does look like a character, like he would be in 849 00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:37,200 that realm. He's really cute. 850 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,360 I get it. I get it. 851 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,360 He's cute. He's got money. 852 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,120 He's. Smart. 853 00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,560 Yeah. All right, this is all making 854 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,080 sense to me now. I mean, I I knew what he looked 855 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:53,880 like, kind of. But, like, it's been a really 856 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,520 long time. Like, I didn't really remember. 857 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,600 He's very cute. He could be on ACW show. 858 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,440 Yeah, totally. He could have been an actor. 859 00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,760 He could have kind of looks like Adam Brody. 860 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,120 Yeah, I was thinking the same thing actually. 861 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:09,800 Really. Yeah. 862 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,760 OK, he's really cute. He's like my new celebrity crush 863 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,760 and like, honestly? Like, it's kind of sexy. 864 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,360 Like he like sticks up to his parents, probably. 865 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:27,080 Or like obeys them for love Seems like he has. 866 00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,880 Really cute guys. She likes him. 867 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,200 Come on. Totally. 868 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,520 Oh, this picture of him at the Eiffel Tower. 869 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,200 I know. Really cute. 870 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,400 Yeah, he has guys, because I know this is audio. 871 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,840 Brown hair, brown eyes, very Seth Cohen type of look. 872 00:50:52,680 --> 00:51:00,280 Big Eyes Carly has a very Scandinavian blonde look, in 873 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,920 case you don't know what she looks like. 874 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,880 He kind of looks like the Tumblr creator. 875 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,760 Am I wrong? I don't know. 876 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,080 I don't remember what he looks like. 877 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,600 My own people were let. Me. 878 00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:13,600 Look him up. Tumblr. 879 00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:14,600 Wait. Just kidding. 880 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:15,840 I'm so wrong. Oh. 881 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,080 David Carp. I'm so wrong. 882 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,800 Never mind, I feel like I. Wonder if all those guys ever 883 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,480 hung out from each social media? I know. 884 00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:30,920 I wonder. He's a little he's actually 885 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,080 nerdy looking. No. 886 00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,320 Yeah, I feel like I remembered him differently. 887 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,640 Why do I feel like hang on, yeah. 888 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,440 The Twitter one, all right. I was going to say. 889 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,440 I was going to say, why do I feel like he looks like the guy 890 00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,400 from Owl City? The Tumblr. 891 00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,600 The David Carr? Yeah, David Carr. 892 00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:54,280 No, he does look like him. See, I don't know if I would 893 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,040 want to be dating someone who's like the head of a company, 894 00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:58,240 though. I don't know. 895 00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,280 I guess I'd have to see what it's like. 896 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,760 I don't know what it's like, but if he's like, wicked stressed 897 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,640 out all the time, it might be kind of a bummer. 898 00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,920 Yeah, talking about the. Time to watch a clip. 899 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,600 And not yet. Almost. 900 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:17,160 OK, OK. So then in February of 2019, 901 00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:21,080 it's reported that the couple put their 6.9, $1,000,000 New 902 00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,120 York City apartment on the market and are currently looking 903 00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:28,360 for a new home. And then in May they attended 904 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,800 and walked the red carpet together for the Camp Met Gala. 905 00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,440 And I don't know if you remember this, but this is the year when 906 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,360 Carly had the infamous post where she's like looking in a 907 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:43,200 handheld mirror and the caption says looking camp straight in 908 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:47,440 the eye. And then her outfit is so 909 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,440 underwhelming. Really. 910 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,560 Yeah, look up Karlie Kloss Camp dress. 911 00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,040 OK. Oh yeah, I see it. 912 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:05,800 I mean, kind of like the sleeves, but it's not. 913 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,920 Everybody else is way more over the top. 914 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,880 Yeah, but it's just so funny that like that was her caption. 915 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,080 Like teasing what her outfit's going to be. 916 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:18,040 And. But it's basically a strapless 917 00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,600 gold dress with like like poopy black sleeves. 918 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,400 Yeah. I feel like that moment was kind 919 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:29,400 of camp in a way. So then in June, the couple had 920 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,760 a second wedding in Wyoming and some famous guests included Katy 921 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,920 Perry or in Orlando Bloom and Mila Kunis is mentioned. 922 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,600 But I'm wondering, like, did her husband come with her? 923 00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,680 Not sure. Why a second wedding? 924 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,240 I think, I think first one was so small and it was more 925 00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:50,720 religious and so their second one seemed to be a lot more fun. 926 00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:54,440 They apparently had paintball and horseback riding in a very 927 00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,600 rowdy after party and it was like western themed. 928 00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,880 So I think it was more of a party I. 929 00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:04,080 See. And then we're in 2020, so the 930 00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:09,320 first clip I have is from January, and this is kind of a 931 00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,960 famous moment with Carly. It's when she's hosting Fashion 932 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:19,240 Runway and one of the contestants makes a snide remark 933 00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:22,920 about her being married to Joshua Kushner. 934 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,280 Oh my. OK, let me watch. 935 00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,600 Tyler I cannot see Carly wearing it anywhere. 936 00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,280 Honestly. Loud even to dinner with the 937 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:38,000 Kushner's. No, no, no. 938 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,200 That's your husband. I was going to Paris. 939 00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:45,600 That was your challenge. Here I know, I know. 940 00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:47,760 Keep it, keep it to the. Challenge I could see you. 941 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,360 Wearing it at some point, you may not. 942 00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:50,880 Know, but I know I know that this. 943 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:55,560 Is not what I asked for. The fabrics are poor choices. 944 00:54:55,560 --> 00:55:00,440 I think they look cheap, the pockets are kind of ill placed 945 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,200 and if this is your aesthetic then not stop. 946 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:07,080 But this was about my aesthetic and the influence of my stylist. 947 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:12,600 You really missed the mark here on all accounts, Not even. 948 00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:17,680 Dinner with the Kushner. 'S and then she. 949 00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:22,320 Roasts his creation. Yeah, fabrics look cheap. 950 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,920 So awkward. Because, like, you can tell he 951 00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,720 like, you know, like when you want to make a like, snide 952 00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:31,560 comment and then you regret it. And he's like pretending like he 953 00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,560 didn't mean anything by it. He's like, that's your husband, 954 00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:41,400 right? Yeah, so awkward. 955 00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,680 Crazy but. Yeah, I mean, like, again, 956 00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:50,000 people are suspicious of her because of the Kushner thing and 957 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,280 everything, but Carly reacts to this. 958 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,240 She goes on Andy Cohen. And so that's the second clip at 959 00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:57,400 a 51. OK. 960 00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:02,560 What was your reaction to that? Well, listen, I was honored to 961 00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,120 be. One of the first memes of the 962 00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,720 decade, Yes, but. Honestly. 963 00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:10,680 The real tragedy? Of this whole thing is that no 964 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,080 one is talking about how terrible that dress was, OK? 965 00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,600 That's why we went home. Right. 966 00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:17,360 OK. And no. 967 00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,920 I would not wear that dinner to that dress to any dinner. 968 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,040 OK? To any dinner. 969 00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:22,120 Dinner. You know I have to. 970 00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,640 Say there is. I think one of the things that 971 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:29,120 came out of it is there is so much speculation about your home 972 00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:33,800 life and your family. Can I ask you about it a little 973 00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:34,640 bit? Ask me, Andrea. 974 00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,720 I'm an open book, OK? For my Saint Louis fellow, 975 00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:38,760 exactly, we're. Saint. 976 00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,720 Louisans. Are you on the same page 977 00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:45,120 politically with the family, Andy? 978 00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:47,680 Yes, I'm sure. I'm not the only person in this 979 00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,360 country who does not necessarily agree with their family on 980 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:52,240 politics. Uh huh. 981 00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:54,960 That's a good answer. Yeah, I I. 982 00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:59,600 Voted as a Democrat in 2016 and I plan to do the same in 2020. 983 00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,120 Wow, very good that. Yeah. 984 00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,360 You. You're you're very politically 985 00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,320 active, which is why it made me. I mean, I know you're involved 986 00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,720 in different issues. You know, woman's reproductive 987 00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:15,080 health. And, you know, I'm very involved 988 00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,360 with Planned Parenthood, as are you. 989 00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,760 Next time we're both home in Saint Louis, we should, you 990 00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,520 should come volunteer with me. I would love to. 991 00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,640 I would absolutely love to. The, you know, the what I gather 992 00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,400 from it, from things that I've heard, you felt this is quite a 993 00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,920 love story, actually. You you fell in love in 2012, 994 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:38,240 long before the election. And you you really, you fell in 995 00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,480 love with a private person and you've been through a lot in 996 00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,680 your relationship. You you talked about it a little 997 00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:44,760 bit. Last time you were here, you 998 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,760 converted to Judaism. I mean, what can you tell us 999 00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,320 about all that you've been through? 1000 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,440 I met my man in 2012. Yeah, I was 19 years old. 1001 00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:55,960 Wow. It was 2012. 1002 00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:57,680 It was a different world. Yeah. 1003 00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,720 And my my man and I have been through a lot together. 1004 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,800 And you know, I'm so proud that he's my partner. 1005 00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,680 It's not been easy, but it's worth it, you know? 1006 00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,560 And and I would, I would make that same decision a million 1007 00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:12,720 times. Again, Very cool. 1008 00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:13,960 I love it. And thank. 1009 00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:15,680 You for? Humoring me. 1010 00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,240 And yeah, that's. A clip, that's. 1011 00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:20,840 Cute how? She says my man. 1012 00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,200 Yeah, that makes me uncomfortable. 1013 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,200 I know it. Was like an intense time. 1014 00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,640 But I feel like they should not be asking her that. 1015 00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,120 I don't know. I don't think she should feel 1016 00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,040 like she has to say who she voted for. 1017 00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:37,280 It's just uncomfortable to me. Well, I feel like killing her. 1018 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,440 I feel like if she gets a lot of hate for it, it's like she might 1019 00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,640 as well. She probably wants to specify, I 1020 00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:45,880 think, I guess so, I guess. I don't know. 1021 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,000 And she probably. Talks with Andy beforehand. 1022 00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:50,480 Yeah, it felt like they were making her. 1023 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,040 Say I don't know. I that was I thought that was 1024 00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,480 weird like making her say what are your opinions like she 1025 00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,440 didn't have to say that I guess it was her choice. 1026 00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,760 But I mean, I think it was a good like I do think it. 1027 00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:02,840 Was a really good answer. Her saying like, I'm not the 1028 00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,240 only person who disagrees with your family and that's really 1029 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,640 relatable for people and it is kind of unfair that Carly's 1030 00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:13,360 getting all this hate for it. It is just because of the guy, 1031 00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:16,640 like and it's also several degrees away like it's not even 1032 00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:20,320 like it's her brother, sister. It's like her in law. 1033 00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,560 Yeah, I know which it's. Her in laws. 1034 00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,240 Aren't her in? Law isn't even Donald Trump. 1035 00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:32,640 Yeah, no, it's it's not that. It's not that connected. 1036 00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:36,640 Yeah, but. I think she probably wanted to 1037 00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:40,080 specify. Yeah, clearly with all of. 1038 00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,960 This said also. Then she also gets harassment 1039 00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:48,400 and stuff about, like the allegations about her being in a 1040 00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,360 former relationship with Taylor Swift. 1041 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:54,760 Like, yeah, it's just so weird. And I wonder what his family 1042 00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,400 thinks of that, if they're even, like, aware of that, too. 1043 00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,160 Wow. I'm surprised she's. 1044 01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:04,280 Never just gotten on a live stream and like lost her shit 1045 01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,400 and yelled at people and said shut the fuck up. 1046 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,640 Yeah, I mean, I do think it's really. 1047 01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:14,520 I I do think though that like, she does have real like issues 1048 01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:19,920 with Ivanka and Jared because eventually, like it gets a 1049 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:24,640 little bit more contentious after the January 6th 1050 01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:28,400 insurrection, Carly tweeted. Accepting the results of a 1051 01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,840 legitimate democratic election is patriotic. 1052 01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,720 Refusing to do so and inciting violence is anti American. 1053 01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,960 And then someone responded and wrote tell your sister-in-law 1054 01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,840 and brother-in-law, which like obviously she's already doing 1055 01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,840 that if she's posting something publicly, like she knows Ivanka 1056 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,840 is going to see it. To which Carly responded. 1057 01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:48,160 I've tried. Period. 1058 01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:53,960 So I'm sure behind closed doors that has was super awkward and 1059 01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,600 tough for her. But back to a few months earlier 1060 01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:00,760 Carly actually became one of the most high profile investors to 1061 01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,040 purchase a share in West Magazine. 1062 01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:08,480 So she's getting more and more like infiltrated in the investor 1063 01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,200 scene. Then in March, it's reported 1064 01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,600 that they went house hunting for a home in upstate New York. 1065 01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,640 In either what, Woodstock or Bedford. 1066 01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,760 I'm not sure if they ever actually settled on somewhere 1067 01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:23,160 later on. I love Woodstock. 1068 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,040 Yeah, they seem. To love. 1069 01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:30,800 Upstate New York, but later on they too purchased a house in 1070 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:35,880 Miami for $23.5 million. They purchased a mansion and 1071 01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:41,400 then they also purchased a $42.5 million penthouse apartment in 1072 01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:47,920 Manhattan, which is 7200 square feet and includes 5 bedrooms and 1073 01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:52,600 7 1/2 bathrooms and a major outdoor terrace that is around 1074 01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:58,920 5100 square feet. So they're living in. 1075 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,000 Luxury. These two. 1076 01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,520 This is insane. Yeah. 1077 01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:04,640 Oh, yeah. And then also like. 1078 01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,560 What the heck? Back to the. 1079 01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:10,920 Politics of it all, Carly. Actually actively campaigned for 1080 01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,520 the Biden Harrison administration. 1081 01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,600 I imagine that was probably a little awkward too, but I almost 1082 01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:19,840 feel like I almost get the sense maybe I shouldn't say this. 1083 01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,200 Like, Ivanka kind of didn't even want her dad to win the 1084 01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:28,480 presidency because it was like, just too much drama. 1085 01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:33,320 Maybe. But yeah, I mean it's. 1086 01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,040 Pretty strong of Carly. To do that. 1087 01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,040 To stand up for her beliefs regardless. 1088 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:42,440 But I mean it's. Totally her right to everybody 1089 01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,000 can. Yeah, it's good. 1090 01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:49,120 And then in March, Carly. And Josh welcomed their first 1091 01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,320 child together, a baby boy named Levi. 1092 01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:58,760 And then, in 2022, in May, Josh Joshua Kushner officially became 1093 01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:05,040 a billionaire at age 36. Oh my goodness, I know then in 1094 01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:08,120 20. 23 Carly and. Josh attended to Met Gala 1095 01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:12,320 together where Carly debuted a very visible baby bump revealing 1096 01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,440 that they are pregnant with their second child and then they 1097 01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,400 welcome their second son, Elijah Jude. 1098 01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:23,160 And then most recently Carly purchased ID magazine from Vice 1099 01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,680 Media Group and actually became the CEO of magazine. 1100 01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:30,680 So she didn't really climb the ranks. 1101 01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:34,800 And yeah, they do seem. Like they're both. 1102 01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:38,000 Super driven. What is their life like? 1103 01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:43,040 Oh my gosh. And then actually this is not. 1104 01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:47,160 Important, But in December, I liked a tweet about Taylor Swift 1105 01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:51,880 being named Person of the Year, which makes me wonder if Carly 1106 01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:53,960 and Taylor maybe patched things up. 1107 01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,600 Wow. But that is Carly and Josh I. 1108 01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:02,480 Feel like I still don't really know them, but it is interesting 1109 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:08,560 to get just a little glimpse into the lives of the Super rich 1110 01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:12,640 and curious. And you know, even they have 1111 01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:16,440 some conflict similar to the average American family and they 1112 01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:20,720 do. I can relate for sure, yeah. 1113 01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:24,040 I cannot help but feel. A little bit bad for Carly that 1114 01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:31,080 she is always like bearing the brunt of yeah, answer to or 1115 01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:35,600 answer for her in laws when like she's made it very clear that 1116 01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:39,120 she doesn't agree with them, which I'm sure is very awkward 1117 01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,120 for her. Yeah, I think so. 1118 01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:42,280 I know I. Don't I? 1119 01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:43,720 Don't I? That's why I'm saying like, I 1120 01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:45,800 feel like I would be really annoyed if I was her. 1121 01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,800 Yeah, I can't even imagine. And. 1122 01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,040 Yeah, and then the whole Gaylor thing, too. 1123 01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:52,360 Like people, people. We don't. 1124 01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,000 I mean, I don't know what the truth is. 1125 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,160 We don't know her. We don't know her life. 1126 01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:58,480 But just all these people talking about her and like, 1127 01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,440 putting words in her mouth. It must be just so frustrating. 1128 01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,080 I mean, I guess there. Is an argument like, I have 1129 01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,920 definitely seen people wonder, like can anyone who's a 1130 01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:12,120 billionaire be the good person? But I maybe. 1131 01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:13,600 I mean, I just now a billionaire. 1132 01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:17,800 Yeah, I think so. I mean, I don't. 1133 01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,680 I think there are people that donate a lot of their money to 1134 01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:22,360 charity and try to use it for good. 1135 01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:26,280 So I don't think that it's impossible. 1136 01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,080 Yeah, that is interesting. Definitely. 1137 01:05:29,080 --> 01:05:31,240 Different from our other episodes. 1138 01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,760 So thanks, Mel. Yeah, next. 1139 01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,200 Episode. Wait, wait, wait. 1140 01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:43,280 Yeah, What are the odds they stay together? 1141 01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:47,040 You know what? I actually think it's probably 1142 01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:53,880 50. 50 As much as I hope that, you know, they've made it 1143 01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,840 through, I feel like they got together when she was so young 1144 01:05:57,480 --> 01:05:59,040 and they're just, that is really young. 1145 01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:02,240 There's like there's a little bit too much money in there and 1146 01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:04,920 I don't know. I know. 1147 01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,240 You know, but then again, they. Do his. 1148 01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,560 Family. And he seems to be pretty 1149 01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:17,120 religious traditional, so maybe he would be less likely. 1150 01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,040 To. Get divorced. 1151 01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,600 But do you think he's really? I mean, there's no way to know 1152 01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,200 but like. How religious? 1153 01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,880 I don't know. He be if he was actively dating 1154 01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,600 someone who wasn't the same religious as him, like, and I 1155 01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,480 almost have felt like the younger generation probably 1156 01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,640 didn't really care that much. I don't know. 1157 01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:34,000 I'm not the one that researched him. 1158 01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:34,560 I don't. Know. 1159 01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:40,640 Yeah. But I yeah, I hope they. 1160 01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,040 I hope they stay together and they are really cute. 1161 01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,440 Yeah, it does seem like. Appearances are very important 1162 01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,600 to them. I hope they do stay together. 1163 01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:54,400 But you never know what these people, these rich people, it 1164 01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:58,800 does seem kind of 5050. But I I hope the best for them. 1165 01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,200 I'm, you know, putting that out into universe. 1166 01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:03,600 Cool. Well, yeah. 1167 01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:07,320 What are we doing next week? Do you want to tease it to our 1168 01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:09,800 audience? Yeah, next week. 1169 01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:13,840 It's kind. Of a sad episode and it's about 1170 01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:19,760 two Co stars who fell in love on the TV show from the 20 tens. 1171 01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,360 All right. All right. 1172 01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:26,200 I think I know. I think you do know. 1173 01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:32,520 I have a. Guest but but you'll be. 1174 01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,040 Teasing. It Thank you so much for 1175 01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,760 listening. Yes, thank you. 1176 01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,320 And we'll get back together next week. 1177 01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:42,040 All right. Bye. 1178 01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:57,640 Is your heart filled with pain? Shall I come back again? 1179 01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,400 Tell me. Dear. 1180 01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,880 How are you Lord?