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Are You Lonesome Tonight? 
Do you miss me tonight? 

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Are you sorry? 
We drifted does your mail? 

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We're recording. 
Welcome to significant lovers. 

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A true love podcast where we 
break down each week. 

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A A new famous couple in pop 
culture or in history. 

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And just talk about their 
relationship from the beginning 

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to the end and Zoo, how they 
met, how they fell apart. 

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Then they meant, I'm Mel, I'm 
Kelvin or two cousins, first 

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cousins, and we're happy to have
you. 

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Thanks for listening. 
I was just laughing about how 

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when we first started the fog 
guys we were nervous like okay 

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we don't want people didn't 
think that where the signal you 

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can feel like we're significant 
lovers right now we're talking 

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about lovers. 
I was gonna keep joking about it

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but yeah, today's Sewed is about
oh I don't know what accent I 

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like it. 
I like it about Cupid country 

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folks from back in the 60s and 
70s. 

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Johnny and June, Johnny Cash and
June Carter. 

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I am so excited. 
I this has been on the list in 

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my mind since the beginning. 
This is an iconic cover. 

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They are really known in 
history, as being like this 

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great love story and I feel like
even like in songs, nowadays, do

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you think that does that make? 
- putting in headphones. 

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Sorry, sorry. 
I'm sorry. 

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So sounds a lot better now lives
with her twin brother. 

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My cousin, I do not know. 
Hmm, and I'm walking a thin line

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because what he was in love with
being together. 

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I love it though. 
Sean, if you're listening, I 

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love living together. 
Yeah. 

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Oh, since I last recorded, I now
have a job. 

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Yeah, Mel. 
Got a job. 

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Hmm. 
So thank you, everybody for your

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prayers and wishes. 
No, that was really short lived 

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actually. 
Yeah, I don't think so. 

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Came out yet where you're 
saying, That you need you don't 

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have a job and I don't think so.
Yeah, I think that was the 

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Johnny Winona one the week that 
this episode comes out. 

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It will be my first week on the 
job really. 

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So it's funny how life comes. 
When I start my job. 

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Yeah, I started not next week 
but the week after and after two

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weeks off just do nothing. 
I'm so jealous. 

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It's really kind of time of my 
life right now. 

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I'm obviously nervous to start a
new job. 

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It's scary. 
When you start a new job when 

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you don't really know what to 
do. 

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I just bought in the news a lot 
of new clothes and oh, really? 

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Yeah, because I don't have like,
work clothes. 

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I'm going to go into an office 
and exciting. 

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Work, work work. 
Anyways anyway, this is my job. 

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I was kidding. 
It's not my only job. 

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You have a day job. 
Hey guys listening? 

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Yeah. 
Maybe not. 

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People are less fascinated with 
this one than the Twilight one. 

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I know, I feel like people even 
still think I do the Twilight 

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known because I think the toilet
because guys music host another 

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bite Twilight. 
I think that was just a easier 

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thing to make fun of me with or 
tease me with. 

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Yeah, this one is like a little 
more norville's. 

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Oh yeah, I know when I left my 
last job, I feel like couple 

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people make comments like, oh, 
like if I, you know, whenever I 

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do something with vampires, I 
think of you or something. 

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Not only would that be? 
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Yeah, this one. 
It's just, it's more and more 

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normal or socially acceptable. 
Yeah. 

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But the last one another, but of
Twilight, people are still 

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listening to it. 
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That means a whole lot. 
Yeah, thank you guys. 

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Gonna have to do some Twilight. 
These stuff here, pretty soon. 

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And if you guys time I was into 
it actually are so additional 

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and Ben Gibbard, episode 
randomly had a lot of toilet 

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room. 
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Well, I mean a lot he was on one
of the sound. 

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Yeah, he's from Washington, I 
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I drawing a blank on which one. 
I don't know why you are. 

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That's crazy Mel, which one is 
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Oh my God, meet me on the 
Equinox. 

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Jack. 
We're talking about different 

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positions today to together. 
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So like I said, Johnny Cash and 
June Carter Cash and yeah, they 

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had a very long marriage and 
just went down in history. 

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I think as soul mates, but were 
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marriage? 
I think so. 

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I think, I don't know, we'll get
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So I mean, they were committed 
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and That's so rare when it comes
to famous couples but their 

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marriage like, wasn't this 
amazing love story which is like

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disappointing. 
I feel like that's one thing 

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that I like I hate on covering 
as I do research like but it was

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still a good love story. 
They stayed together though 

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right? 
Yeah, they did. 

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And so yeah, I feel like this 
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I have are like really, you 
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be like a soul mate? 
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problems. 
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cross a line I guess? 
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someone not be like forgiving or
don't you think when they were 

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older though? 
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hear the whole story but I'm 
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very nice. 
It was they did really deeply 

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love each other. 
I guess I have to hear because 

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Mel did all the research And 
she's going to tell a story guy.

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Yeah. 
So I'm just listening. 

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Yeah, yeah, well, I'll get into 
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So, we got my three words. 
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couple would be unhealthy. 
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unwavering forgiving would be my
three words and Ice. 

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Yeah. 
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June 23rd. 1929 and Macy's 
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Virginia. 
And she was born to a really 

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well-known musical. 
Family, The Carter family, her 

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mom, Mabley and Ezra. 
Carter, were country music 

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singers, and they had a band 
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So Mabel is June's, mom, her 
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was married to azra June's dad's
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So it's like two cousins married
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Basically. 
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So they're like, related on both
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Yeah. 
So her aunt and uncle were AP 

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Carter and Sarah Carter. 
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The Carter family with Mabel and
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country music singers. 
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popularizing what's called like 
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They're from like mountains, in 
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called the card a group, maybe. 
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if she's two sisters older 
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sister Anita, when they were 
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tour with their family and they 
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like, they were really well 
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Hmm. 
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the road. 
A lot and her cousins. 

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June And and her cousins also 
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just recorded and toured 
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Wow. 
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I mean in my line which is all I
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Yeah. 
It seems like it at least in the

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movie that Johnny listen to them
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Yeah, he did. 
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So he knew like of her family. 
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And she said this in the movies.
You like you know, you had just 

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mentioned it earlier. 
She wasn't the best singer in 

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the group, so she usually known 
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so like she would do these, like
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a character called Polly that 
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really just like a clown, kind 
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And later when she's a teenager 
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sister has formed a quartet 
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her aunt and uncle AP and Sarah,
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Ji and Le fun. 
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She's distantly distantly 
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really? 
The president didn't know that. 

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I didn't even listen. 
Amy, yeah. 

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I don't when they say distance, 
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it must be kind of close if same
last name. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
Yeah, it's really interesting. 

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I guess he acknowledged it ones 
like, in a speech. 

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But okay, that I'm going to go 
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But so then we have Johnny Cash.
He was born in Kingsland 

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Arkansas on February 26th, 1932 
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Cash just Jr. 
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him John and his dad wanted to 
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decide. 
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did JR. 
So those are just his name Jr. 

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His mom was named Carrie. 
I don't know what she really 

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did. 
I think they are all just were 

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farmers. 
His dad was named Ray. 

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He was a farmer and a 
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One veteran, and I feel like 
iMovie Walk the Line. 

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They made it seem like his dad 
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Yeah, I don't know if that's 
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So why? 
Why he might have been I just 

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don't see anything to like 
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have been like specially the 
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he's a family with June, his mom
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street, like it doesn't seem 
like they're really like but but

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maybe they, you know, worked on 
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Maybe Man Rober one that we just
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Front. 
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Things into perspective. 
That's so true. 

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Oh my God. 
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grumpy because that is 
traumatizing. 

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It's like these things. 
Boiled kids. 

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though. 
No. 

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I know. 
But yeah probably not but that's

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just how parents. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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I mean I guess compared to like 
being in the trenches. 

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Yeah, Germany doesn't seem that 
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Bad. 
But so when John or when Jr, was

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three years old, the Cache 
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But I always felt dicey's 
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Deal, different families, poor 
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on land that they would later 
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And so his family was really 
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He was also the middle child of 
seven kids, he had three sisters

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and three brothers and they 
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Just singing gospel music 
together, and his family was 

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really close. 
It and he learned to play guitar

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from his mom who was into music 
and then as depicted in the 

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movie, when Jr. 
Worked on the, when he's 12 

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years old, his older brother 
Jack was nearly cut in half by a

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table, saw at work and then he 
died a week later from his 

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injuries, which affected him a 
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So sad, he was really close with
his brother Jack. 

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Hmm in the movie they made it 
seem like he died like right 

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away but But he died like a week
later and also in the movie, The

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dad says to j.r. 
Johnny, like, where were you? 

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I don't think that's that 
happened. 

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But I guess like, apparently 
Johnny had like, a bad ominous 

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feeling about the day when he 
woke up that morning. 

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Mmm, and so did his mom. 
And so they both had a lot of 

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guilt about that. 
Hmm, that's so sad. 

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I didn't know he It's a, where 
were you? 

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We might of, I just don't know 
it. 

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They like him and Jim like we're
a little bit involved in the 

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movie, in the casting, the very 
beginning. 

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But I like the movie was filmed 
like after they had died. 

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So I don't know. 
Really get the story from. 

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Do you know how there's like 
something I probably shouldn't? 

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No, that's okay. 
But yeah. 

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So in high school, his voice 
dropped and he started singing 

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on the local radio station and 
he was inspired by traditional 

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gospel, music and Irish music. 
Eric actually, and actually 

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during his senior year of high 
school, is school took a trip to

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the Grand Ole Opry where he 
first saw June perform on stage 

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with her family. 
Wow, that's crazy. 

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And as a very deep voice. 
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Hey, my head, then in 1950 at 
age 18, He enlisted in the Air 

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Force and he wasn't allowed to 
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So that's He started going by 
John our cash. 

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So changed his name and while in
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Texas, he met his first wife, 
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skate Ray. 
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Germany. 
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just wrote thousands of letters 
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now So she really waited around 
for him. 

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He did. 
That's nice, that's good. 

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I was thinking that during All 
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back to that. 
When I was like, man cause I 

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mean, they went through, utter 
hell. 

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Yeah. 
One of the guys was married and 

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I was just thinking to myself 
like imagine if she like moved 

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on while he's gone like that 
would be so terrible you know 

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really risky but also it's like 
a happened. 

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I know it did happen but also 
it's like I feel like the 

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chances that he might come back 
are kind of slim after watching.

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Movie is like and then he 
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movie really. 
Like, put a lot into 

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perspective, it did very sad 
movie anyway, anyways. 

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So yeah, John, he worked as a 
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intercepting Soviet Union or 
Soviet Union Army transmissions 

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and we'll while overseas, he 
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called The Landsberg barbarians 
with other soldiers. 

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Hers. 
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the Air Force, he was honorably 
discharged and a month later, he

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and Vivian got married and they 
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together where John's old 
appliances and studied to be a 

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radio announcer and Johnny 
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One day to then audition for the
sun which is a recording studio 

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where he eventually went over 
the producer by singing in his 

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rockabilly style. 
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Wow! 
And I really wanted to watch, I 

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didn't end up doing it this 
documentary that is about his 

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first wife, because in my 
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movie, Walk the Line, it sounds 
like her kids who she has with 

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Johnny. 
They didn't really like, the way

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she was depicted. 
Mmm. 

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And the movie like she was like 
nagging all the time. 

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And I do, it's like we'll get 

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more into like their marriage. 
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As the story progresses but I do
think like they didn't really 

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paint her in a bad light and I 
know a woman who waited around 

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for three years for this guy, I 
know true. 

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And then like of course, she's 
going to be nagging him because 

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he's like cheating on her. 
I know they did also make her 

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seem really not impressed with 
his music to, which is like my 

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dad has a job for you. 
I think we always do that in 

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movies. 
Like the wife's dad has a job 

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lined up and he refuses to say, 
Guys know, I don't think that 

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really happened. 
Either they, I mean, when I was 

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watching Walk the Line I did 
know. 

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I did think he was being really 
bad and I was obsessed with 

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Johnny, but I also was like, oh 
my God like he should just leave

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her. 
Yeah, she was really annoying. 

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And that is what's her name? 
She's the actress. 

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Who's like she's actually she's 
dead woman. 

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Who's in? 
What's that, show, that Caitlin 

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what everyone's fun Once Upon 
Time. 

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Goodwin. 
Yeah, she can be kind of 

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annoying and so like I feel like
that was very deliberate 

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casting. 
Yeah, I'm sure that was not 

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fair. 
No. 

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But like she was pleasant 
sometimes. 

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Probably. 
Yeah. 

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And his wife really was treated 
very harshly by the Press 

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because she actually a lot of 
people thought that she was 

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black at the time period. 
She was very Italian, but She 

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just had they cast Jennifer 
good. 

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I don't know. 
That's I was gonna be surprised 

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by that too, and I feel like 
it's a pale his purse. 

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Yeah, I know. 
I know, I know that's a prize 

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me, I mean, but she did claim, 
she was white and very Italian. 

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But like to this day I feel like
people still speculate that she 

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might have actually been black 
and it's like the KKK was like 

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really on her case and stuff. 
Like people were like really 

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racist towards her and like I 
don't know if she actually was, 

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I think she might have actually 
just been Italian but people 

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really Really like sent a lot of
like vitriol her. 

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Why? 
That sucks. 

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Hmm. 
And like she wasn't like, she 

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was just a normal person. 
Like, I feel like he had an 

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easier time with June, probably 
because she was, like, 

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broadened. 
Like she'd always been a part of

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like, Fame in a way. 
Yeah, but poor Vivian like I 

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know, hopefully she Got a good 
amount of money and was able to 

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enjoy. 
I really don't miss a real life 

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that sucks. 
I what we were saying the other 

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day in the Johnny Depp episode 
because he had an ex-wife who's 

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forgotten to. 
Yeah, that would suck Johnny 

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Cash or Johnny Depp. 
It's like hey I was married to 

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him. 
I know you remember three years,

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they wrote letters back and 
forth like that's a big deal. 

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I know she really waited for 
him. 

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Tragic. 
I know. 

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But so do, you know, had some? 
She had some ex-spouses as well.

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Oh yeah, tracking a little bit 
and 1952 at age 23, she married 

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her first husband, another 
country. 

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Singer named Carl Smith, who was
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successful singers during that 
time, period 1950s. 

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I've never heard his name before
but I'm sure some people have 

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no, he was like a big deal to 
Tanya and in 1955 Joon gave 

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birth to To their baby. 
Rebecca, Carlene Smith, who 

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actually just goes by Carlene, 
Carter. 

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A few months. 
After Carl had actually broken 

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up with her. 
So, like really did. 

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It's horrible? 
Yeah. 

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Didn't last long, I guess. 
Apparently, he just wanted her 

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to be a stay-at-home mom in 
June. 

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Obviously, like wasn't going to 
do that. 

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Like she was a singer and yeah, 
lived on the road a lot. 

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So, after their marriage fell 
apart, She was really devastated

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and she moved to New York City 
with baby Carlene to attend 

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acting school, Carlene Carling. 
And then around this time, 

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Johnny also began starting a 
family with Vivian there s. 

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Their first daughter was in was 
born in 1955, followed by their 

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second daughter, Kathy, a year 
later and Johnny was also 

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growing in popularity in music 
and he had his number one, hit 

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walk the A line, which he 
actually wrote for Vivian. 

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I keep a close. 
Watch on this heart of mine. 

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I keep my eyes wide open. 
All the I keep bins out for the 

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closet by because your mind, I 
Walk the Line, he wrote of her 

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Vivian. 
If she was really scared that as

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he became more and more famous, 
all these women were like, 

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throwing themselves at him that 
he cheated on her. 

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So, he walked, he wrote that 
song to appease her worries and 

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tell her that he was faithful. 
Even though he was, she like the

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movie made it seem like He wrote
it for June, no he didn't. 

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So then in 1956 or yeah. 1956 
June. 

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And Johnny first actually met 
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the Grand old Opry and even 
though he was married at the 

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time, he apparently said to her,
that he would marry her someday.

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Wow. 
You know I that always happen. 

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That's really weird actually in 
real life. 

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There's someone just said to you
like out of someone who's in a 

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relationship. 
Yeah, I'm gonna You some dilute 

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that would be weird. 
Actually someone did say that to

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me, really? 
Yeah. 

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That's why I didn't tell you 
about that. 

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I don't know. 
Is it recently? 

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It's about like a year ago. 
Someone who I went to college 

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with messaged me and said that, 
I don't know. 

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I don't know that. 
That's crazy. 

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Yeah, very bold. 
Yeah, that's what I said. 

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It's kind of a lot like, for 
someone to say and but 

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apparently, June wasn't that 
face and she just said, good, I 

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can't wait. 
And in later years, June talks 

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about the first time they met on
the Johnny Carson show and I'll 

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play a little clothes. 
She's really long-winded in her 

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stories though, but I was like, 
John. 

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I was in the meantime working 
with Elvis Presley now and then 

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and that was kept dragging me 
into these little places to 

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listen to No. 
Do your husband have? 

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Got it all wrong. 
Who is that? 

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And he said, that's Johnny Cash.
So he kept, we kept working 

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these tours. 
And I kept listening to this 

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man, Johnny Cash, and I remember
one night I had come home to the

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Grand Ole Opry to work. 
I'm going to go on stage and 

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just all kind of slim guy walks 
up to me. 

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It was just nice little grin and
he said, oh, I'm you only care 

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that my God, I bet the man and 
I'm not eating them, but you see

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Life Changes a lot. 
At that time, I was really 

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married to somebody else and he 
was too only. 

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We were, I mean, I was separated
only I was living in New York 

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on. 
He wasn't separated and then it 

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was a mess. 
I know those problems. 

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We got him again for a long 
time. 

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I just saw him kind of passing 
through. 

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I don't know why we didn't work 
together. 

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There's probably a lucky thing. 
Yeah. 

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But we didn't. 
He kept going his way and I kept

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going my way, and I'd worked 
show dates over here. 

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And Johnny Cash would work show 
dates over here, but I always 

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thought he was kind of nice. 
You. 

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Yeah, she's so cute. 
I love her. 

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Boy, isn't she? 
I can't force you to just hang 

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out with Elvis? 
Yeah, and so crazy. 

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Yeah. 
She did a lot of touring with 

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Elvis and in his book, her son 
with Johnny Cash, John Carter 

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Cash, theorizes that June 
actually had an affair with 

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Thelma away. 
He doesn't know, for sure what 

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he's like, I would believe it. 
May be interesting. 

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Whoa, yeah. 
So yeah, Elvis really hung out 

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with both of them. 
So he was like a Common Thread 

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for them. 
So then in 1957 June married, 

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her second husband Edwin, rip 
Knicks, who was a police officer

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a race car driver and a former 
football player. 

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So really not in the country 
music scene at all, what a 

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renaissance man. 
Yeah, and yeah, in the movie 

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Walk, the Line like John Zack, 
you got married. 

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Like he's so then the next year 
1958, they had a daughter 

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Roseanna Lee, who just goes Bye 
Rosie. 

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And during this time, June would
often go on tour with Johnny 

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Cash and the girls would stay 
home with rip. 

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Like rip jeans kids. 
Yeah. 

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And even though they were both 
married Johnny and June, both 

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feel like they openly just had 
feelings for each other. 

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Hmm. 
Like I think they're just like a

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very attracted to each other 
like instantly. 

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Hmm. 
There's no hiding it. 

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Yeah, it was really palpable 
just a lot of chemistry and they

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had a lot of chemistry like on 
stage to like fans love when 

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they perform together. 
There's this journalist who 

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wrote this book called Johnny 
Cash, the life which is a 

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biography. 
Oh Robert Hilburn and he said 

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that he'll burn, they would 
frequently fight and yell at 

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each other. 
Like you got divorced. 

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No, you get divorced. 
Like Like they're really open. 

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My god. 
Really liked each other their 

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problems obviously in that 
they're both married. 

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Yeah, and then June later told 
Rolling Stone in 2000. 

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I never talked much about how I 
fell in love with John. 

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It was not convenient time for 
me to fall in love with him and 

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I wasn't and it wasn't a 
convenient time for him to fall 

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in love with me. 
I was frightened of his way of 

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life. 
I thought I can't love fall in 

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love with this man, but it's 
just like a ring of fire. 

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Fire. 
So it's believed that June, then

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wrote the song Ring of Fire 
about their relationship, but 

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it's really debated if that's 
true because she actually 

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originally gave the song to her 
sister Anita, but it wasn't 

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really a big hit, so then Johnny
had popularized it when he sang 

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it. 
So, people are like, does she do

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that? 
Why did she do it? 

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When did she give it to her 
sister in the 1950s? 

456
00:28:05,900 --> 00:28:08,600
Like the mid-1950s? 
Hmm. 

457
00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:12,700
But I shoulda known Johnny, but 
like it's like So it doesn't 

458
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:14,900
match the timeline and you say 
no does. 

459
00:28:14,900 --> 00:28:17,800
But also another thing is 
Johnny's first wife. 

460
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:22,400
Vivian had told reporters that 
he said that he actually wrote 

461
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,300
the song Ring of Fire and that 
just he decided to give June 

462
00:28:26,300 --> 00:28:29,000
credit because he wanted to help
her out financially. 

463
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,000
What? 
I don't think that's true though

464
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,700
because then why would she give 
it to her sister? 

465
00:28:33,700 --> 00:28:36,700
But truth? 
I'm not sure. 

466
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,600
I don't know if it was like 
necessarily really written about

467
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,600
her relationship with Johnny, 
but like once he sing it, like I

468
00:28:45,608 --> 00:28:47,700
feel like it became the song. 
I like represented. 

469
00:28:47,700 --> 00:29:03,800
Their relationship. 
Love is a burning thing and it 

470
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:13,200
makes a fiery ring. 
Bound by wild desire. 

471
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:23,900
I fell into a ring of fire. 
I fell into a burning Ring of 

472
00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:27,300
Fire. 
I went down, down down and the 

473
00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:30,200
Flames went higher, and It 
Burns. 

474
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:36,900
Burns Burns the ring of fire. 
And then, in 1959, Vivian, John 

475
00:29:37,100 --> 00:29:41,800
My wife gave birth to their 
third daughter and Cindy so 

476
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:46,000
their families growing mmm. 
Despite him spending more and 

477
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:52,700
more time with June man and then
in 1961 June became a regular on

478
00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:57,100
the Johnny Cash show which was 
this variety show that Johnny 

479
00:29:57,100 --> 00:30:01,400
had hosted throughout the 
actually no sorry that comes up 

480
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,200
later so I'm okay. 
She became a regular on the 

481
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,300
Johnny Cash show which we think 
was a tour and the two of them 

482
00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:08,200
were very popular. 
We are together on stage as I 

483
00:30:08,208 --> 00:30:13,000
said, but John had a really bad 
substance abuse issues. 

484
00:30:13,300 --> 00:30:17,300
He was really becoming more well
known for his drug addiction and

485
00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:21,200
reputation to be a live wire, 
which is obviously depicted. 

486
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:26,800
And the film, however, he 
proposed to pay her a monthly 

487
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,500
salary to tour that included a 
closet. 

488
00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:31,900
If she couldn't make a show, she
would still get paid. 

489
00:30:31,900 --> 00:30:35,500
And as a single mom of two, that
was really appealing for her, so

490
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:37,000
she decided to go on tour with 
him. 

491
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,400
Hmm. 
And also that year, Vivian gave 

492
00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:46,600
birth to her fourth daughter 
with Johnny, I'm a daughter 

493
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:51,900
named Tara, however, things were
really bad for him and Vivian, 

494
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,700
she wasn't. 
Yeah, she was really catching on

495
00:30:54,700 --> 00:31:00,600
to his affair with June and she 
found receipts that John had, 

496
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,300
you know, bought June very 
expensive gifts and some of his 

497
00:31:05,300 --> 00:31:06,900
bandmates were tipping her off 
as well. 

498
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:13,900
Well, so it was becoming really 
obvious and his daughter Cindy 

499
00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:18,200
with Vivian gave an interview 
once. 

500
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,100
And she said, once June came 
along, she relentlessly while 

501
00:31:22,100 --> 00:31:24,700
she wanted dad and she was going
to get him. 

502
00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:28,500
And she did she made herself 
very available to where to where

503
00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:39,600
he pursued her back. 
Sorry, maybe we should just 

504
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,200
wait. 
All right intermission. 

505
00:31:44,700 --> 00:31:54,400
Hmm. 
Wow, this is the first 

506
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,700
relationship we have that starts
from an affair. 

507
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,600
No. 
I think John Lennon and Yoko 

508
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,300
straight into your right. 
Actually got I was reminding me 

509
00:32:09,300 --> 00:32:14,100
of this. 
Hmm I'm so glad she's not a 

510
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:16,600
movie there. 
A movie about their love story. 

511
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,600
I don't think so. 
Hmm could be wrong but I don't 

512
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:26,000
think so she's still alive so 
maybe she just didn't room 

513
00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:29,300
hasn't approved that or 
something maybe when she does. 

514
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,100
That's the crazy thing about 
Walk. 

515
00:32:34,100 --> 00:32:37,900
The Line the movie is that came 
out like 2005. 

516
00:32:37,900 --> 00:32:41,500
Like they both died in 2003. 
So it's like, very way. 

517
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,000
Yeah. 
Like remain over, like, people 

518
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,200
were thinking about them. 
And this movie came out, it was 

519
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,300
like the perfect time. 
How about can you finish a very 

520
00:32:49,300 --> 00:32:52,200
good job? 
Yeah, he was really good in it, 

521
00:32:52,700 --> 00:32:56,200
he won the Oscar, right? 
I don't think so. 

522
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,500
I don't think he wanted to 
Joker, right? 

523
00:33:00,500 --> 00:33:02,100
Yeah. 
Oh yeah, yeah. 

524
00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:07,700
Was he nominated? 
Probably because you're mine and

525
00:33:07,700 --> 00:33:17,700
I Walk the Line. 
Let me see under wood burning 

526
00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:22,600
when your farm the flame gonna 
hire. 

527
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,600
Only one for Joker. 
Joker. 

528
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,300
Not the Joker. 
I always make that mistake. 

529
00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:40,800
Okay, hey so yeah, his drug use 
was really bad. 

530
00:33:40,900 --> 00:33:46,900
Oh no, is really drugs Mel 
amphetamines? 

531
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,700
Mainly? 
I think later he did like 

532
00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:52,700
opioids and narcotics as well 
just like in like alcohol. 

533
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:55,100
Yeah, pills. 
Yeah, pills pills pills pills 

534
00:33:55,100 --> 00:33:59,300
pills in 1965. 
He was arrested crossing the 

535
00:33:59,300 --> 00:34:05,500
Mexican border with Over 1000 
tablets of amphetamines and this

536
00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:08,900
is really bad in. 1965 he 
accidentally set fire to a 

537
00:34:08,900 --> 00:34:13,699
campsite in Los Padres National 
Forest which led to thousands of

538
00:34:13,699 --> 00:34:16,600
Acres of forest burning down. 
And he killed many of the 

539
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:21,300
endangered, Condor birds in the 
area and he was the first person

540
00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:24,500
to be sued by the US government 
for starting a fire. 

541
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,500
Oh my God, pay like thousands of
dollars for that and like he 

542
00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:31,199
said it was an accident but I 
think Was like drunk or 

543
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:33,699
something. 
So, oh, really bad. 

544
00:34:34,500 --> 00:34:38,000
He was didn't mean to. 
Yeah, it's really bad. 

545
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,900
I think of and what I got from 
the movie again, like, it's just

546
00:34:40,900 --> 00:34:43,699
a movie but like he, it seems 
like he just had a really bad 

547
00:34:43,699 --> 00:34:45,699
impulse control, especially 
when. 

548
00:34:45,699 --> 00:34:48,699
Oh, yeah came to like when he 
was drunk like he just would 

549
00:34:48,699 --> 00:34:50,500
smash things. 
Yeah. 

550
00:34:50,699 --> 00:34:55,600
And like that, like led to him 
cheating on his wife to like, he

551
00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:02,100
just had No inhibitions damn. 
Hold him back from whatever he 

552
00:35:02,100 --> 00:35:05,500
wanted to do. 
Yeah I mean I know I noticed was

553
00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:09,000
the movie but when he like 
ripped the sink Off the Wall. 

554
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,900
Yeah. 
Johnny Depp, we just covered. 

555
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:17,100
Yeah, I know. 
He is also known for trashing 

556
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:21,800
hotel rooms, I guess. 
The oh my God Johnny's. 

557
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,200
I know I'm down. 
Anyway, yeah. 

558
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,500
So his wife Vivian Take it 
anymore. 

559
00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:32,900
So she filed for divorce in 1966
from Johnny and they finalized 

560
00:35:32,900 --> 00:35:36,100
their divorce in 1967. 
She was forced to. 

561
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,100
She had to make a choice, and I 
think she was sad about it. 

562
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,000
Want to think she really, really
loved him. 

563
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,800
But she felt abandoned by him in
many ways and he wasn't there 

564
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,700
for her, wasn't there for the 
kids. 

565
00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:52,500
He was really just preoccupied 
with June. 

566
00:35:52,500 --> 00:35:56,200
Like he was really obsessed with
June and around that same time, 

567
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,700
June got divorced from her. 
Ben rip and apparently, she was 

568
00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:02,800
really a shame to be divorced 
twice like everybody was judging

569
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,300
her. 
And I had to say, like they're 

570
00:36:05,300 --> 00:36:08,100
both very christian-like. 
They're both like, very 

571
00:36:08,100 --> 00:36:11,100
religious. 
That must have been really hard.

572
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,200
Yeah, I would feel really 
ashamed myself to be honest. 

573
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,800
Yeah. 
And back then I know kids are 

574
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,800
two different. 
Yeah, guys. 

575
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,700
To door says she probably did 
believe it was wrong. 

576
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,900
So she's like what the fuck? 
I can get this together. 

577
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,900
Yeah she just like like her 
feelings for John Johnny were 

578
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:38,200
also really strong but she was 
really reluctant to like really 

579
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,200
be in a committed relationship 
with him because of his drug 

580
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:45,000
problems, but he had good. 
Yeah. 

581
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,600
I mean that seems pretty healthy
on her part. 

582
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:50,900
Yeah. 
He likes to be it. 

583
00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:53,300
Reluctant. 
Well, could you two kids, too? 

584
00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:56,600
So she was like I'm like I don't
want to get my kids like messed 

585
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,600
up into this. 
Everything. 

586
00:36:58,700 --> 00:37:01,300
So yeah, she was pretty 
horrified by all that but so 

587
00:37:01,300 --> 00:37:04,600
John moved to an apartment close
to her in order to pursue their 

588
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,600
relationship further, like once 
they both were single like, he 

589
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,600
just like wanted to be together.
Yeah. 

590
00:37:10,100 --> 00:37:14,900
And in his autobiography, he 
writes about that time saying, I

591
00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:18,100
was canceling shows recording 
dates and when I did manage to 

592
00:37:18,100 --> 00:37:20,800
show up, I couldn't sing because
my throat was too dried out from

593
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,200
the pills. 
I was in and out of jail, 

594
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,300
hospital and car wrecks. 
I was a walking vision of death,

595
00:37:26,300 --> 00:37:35,100
and that's exactly how I I felt 
damn great time and in 1967, 

596
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:39,900
Johnny was a guest suicidal and 
he entered into this cave on the

597
00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:44,800
Tennessee, River called Nick, a 
jack cave, where he intended to 

598
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,200
end his life and he crawled for 
three hours until his flashlight

599
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,300
went out. 
This is like a well-known story 

600
00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:54,100
with him. 
God, apparently, in that cave, 

601
00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:57,400
Johnny literally had a 
Resurgence of faith. 

602
00:37:58,300 --> 00:38:02,500
And he said, they're in Nikka 
Jack cave. 

603
00:38:02,500 --> 00:38:05,800
I became conscious of a very 
clear simple idea. 

604
00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:07,900
I was not in charge of my 
destiny. 

605
00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:09,700
I was not in charge of my own 
death. 

606
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,500
I was going to die at God's 
time, not mine. 

607
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:16,600
I hadn't prayed over my decision
to seek death in the cave, but 

608
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,900
that hadn't stopped God from 
intervening. 

609
00:38:18,900 --> 00:38:23,800
And this experience, made him 
develop a closer relationship 

610
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,500
with God, which brought him 
closer to June, who was very 

611
00:38:26,500 --> 00:38:29,100
Christian. 
And so then I started going to 

612
00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:32,800
church together and he got sober
and they like really fell in 

613
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,300
love. 
Wow, Mmm. 

614
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,100
Yeah, although that same 
journalist I mentioned before 

615
00:38:39,100 --> 00:38:42,400
Robert Hill born, he kind of 
undermines the story in his 

616
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,900
biography by saying that at that
time for whatever reason that 

617
00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:48,200
cave like would have been 
flooded. 

618
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,800
I don't know how he knows that. 
What? 

619
00:38:50,900 --> 00:38:52,700
I don't, I don't think he's 
lying. 

620
00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:54,900
Yeah. 
Like maybe he was crawling in a 

621
00:38:54,900 --> 00:38:56,700
puddle exactly. 
Yeah. 

622
00:38:56,900 --> 00:38:59,000
Yeah. 
I'm gonna believe Johnny that 

623
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,100
that really happened. 
Yeah. 

624
00:39:01,100 --> 00:39:05,200
And why, does he really have to 
crawl for three hours for it to 

625
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,500
be meaningful? 
Exactly. 

626
00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:11,800
Yeah, you know, I think it was a
huge case are scary. 

627
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,200
Yeah. 
Oh my gosh. 

628
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:18,600
Well, now I'm now on a lighter, 
note, Johnny and June's do have 

629
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,400
a song Jackson like we're gonna 
Jackson. 

630
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,600
Yeah. 
That that year won. 

631
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,100
The Grammy award for best 
country performance. 

632
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,500
When I went to Jackson Wyoming 
with carry on, I know it's not 

633
00:39:33,500 --> 00:39:35,800
the right Jackson but I kept 
playing that song. 

634
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,300
They couldn't stop some. 
Yeah, it's really catchy. 

635
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:54,400
I'm gonna Jackson Jackson. 
Look out, Jackson town. 

636
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:17,800
Jackson, 
I'm gonna snowballs Jackson 

637
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,700
Kuwait. 
Were they married by that time? 

638
00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:24,700
No, they weren't. 
But then on February 22nd. 

639
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:31,500
My friend Hannah's birthday. 
1968, Johnny proposed on staged,

640
00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:33,900
June. 
And she also talked about this 

641
00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:38,400
on the Johnny Carson show, so 
I'll share it, let's hear it. 

642
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:41,300
Anyway, after all these trials 
and tribulations, he finally 

643
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,800
well then let's get married. 
Yeah, Johnny Cash straighten 

644
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:49,600
himself up really and and he 
proposed to me on stage in front

645
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,900
of about 7,000 people in London,
Ontario, Canada, really? 

646
00:40:53,000 --> 00:41:08,800
Yes, that's really romantic. 
I couldn't say anything. 

647
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,300
I didn't know what to say and he
just stood there and looked at 

648
00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:14,400
me and grinned until I said 
something. 

649
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,300
You said yes. 
I said yes. 

650
00:41:16,300 --> 00:41:25,000
Yeah, good, good. 
Cute to see, Johnny smile. 

651
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,300
I don't know. 
It's so funny. 

652
00:41:28,300 --> 00:41:31,700
Like when you watch the movie 
Walk the Line to like so serious

653
00:41:31,700 --> 00:41:37,000
when he like proposed. 
Yeah, he was like, he was really

654
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,100
in love with her. 
Like I feel like that's pretty 

655
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:42,800
obvious. 
They got married, just three 

656
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,600
days later. 
Like, they were going to wait 

657
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,500
until the end of the school 
year, so that they would have to

658
00:41:47,500 --> 00:41:52,600
gank her kids out of school. 
But the her daughter Has were 

659
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,100
really excited about it and they
were like, they made all these 

660
00:41:55,100 --> 00:41:57,000
plans, like, they got music. 
You Ikea. 

661
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,600
I think and it's just three days
later they got married. 

662
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,600
On March 1st. 1968. 
He was 36. 

663
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,200
She was 39. 
He's got it. 

664
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,500
Yeah, but like, I love that, 
like, especially, they went down

665
00:42:10,500 --> 00:42:13,500
history of this, like, amazing 
love story, like they were in 

666
00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:15,500
their late 30s. 
That's beautiful. 

667
00:42:15,500 --> 00:42:18,200
That's really beautiful. 
Like, people feel like I'm, you 

668
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:22,200
know, I'm turning 30, I haven't 
met my soul mate, like they 

669
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,300
Yeah, they're almost 40 and 
that's when they got together 

670
00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:30,000
made for years like yeah that's 
beautiful. 

671
00:42:30,900 --> 00:42:33,100
Despite it being her third 
marriage, this was the first 

672
00:42:33,100 --> 00:42:36,600
time that June had changed her 
stage name so now she was going 

673
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:41,200
by June Carter Cash, but I mean,
he's more famous and more famous

674
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:42,200
than her. 
But yeah. 

675
00:42:42,500 --> 00:42:46,500
Like it rings. 
Yeah doing by June. 

676
00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:50,400
Carter Nix. 
Yeah, June Carter Smith. 

677
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,900
This one have been the same. 
Yeah, King Carter Cash, sounds 

678
00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:59,000
good, Mmm. 
Yeah, that's a nice ring and 

679
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,700
their son, John Carter Cash 
writes in his book that 

680
00:43:01,700 --> 00:43:05,000
apparently, his older sisters, 
you know, June's daughters. 

681
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,400
They had said that before, they 
lived with, Johnny June was, 

682
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:14,000
really strict was really strict 
about neatness and chores, but 

683
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:18,500
then once they became a family, 
all those chores went away and 

684
00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:21,100
they were really spoiled like 
they'd never had a single chore,

685
00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:22,500
they had a lot of help. 
Help. 

686
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,700
They had like chefs and 
housekeepers and like they just 

687
00:43:27,700 --> 00:43:30,400
lived a life of luxury. 
Oh my God. 

688
00:43:32,900 --> 00:43:36,900
What my sons, having a lot of 
money but it was weird. 

689
00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:38,500
She just gave up on being 
strict, though. 

690
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,200
I know. 
Yeah, she sure didn't care 

691
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,200
anymore. 
Then in 1961, the Johnny Cash 

692
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,200
show, premiered. 
Which was a variety show on ABC,

693
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:53,000
featuring Johnny and often June 
along with other musicians and 

694
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:56,100
especially the Carter sisters 
were on their lock and the show 

695
00:43:56,100 --> 00:44:00,600
aired until 1971. 
So I think that means some kind 

696
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,500
of like a household, like, I 
mean, they're obviously Super 

697
00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:05,400
Famous like they came into your 
house. 

698
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:12,200
Yeah, they were in your living 
room so they combined had six 

699
00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:17,200
total daughters together. 
Wow for from Johnny and to from 

700
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,800
June so many daughters. 
But they really wanted a son so 

701
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:26,200
they tried for a year and a half
to get pregnant and they finally

702
00:44:26,300 --> 00:44:30,200
welcomes their only son. 
And only child together a baby 

703
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:35,800
boy named John Carter Cash on 
March 7th, 1970, John, Carter 

704
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:40,600
Cash and that night Johnny 
opened a show for the Johnny 

705
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,500
Cash show by saying, hello. 
I'm Johnny, Carter Cash. 

706
00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:46,500
His daddy. 
Oh, it's cute. 

707
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,900
And it's cute. 
Hmm, and most of my information 

708
00:44:50,900 --> 00:44:56,200
that I have for this episode, I 
got from a book written by John 

709
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,600
Carter Cash, which is 
interesting because it's like 

710
00:44:58,700 --> 00:45:00,600
Adjusting to see a child's 
perspective. 

711
00:45:00,700 --> 00:45:04,300
Yeah, it's called Anchored In 
Love. 

712
00:45:04,300 --> 00:45:07,300
And he really wrote it about his
mom. 

713
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,700
But obviously it's like a big 
part of that is his mom's 

714
00:45:10,700 --> 00:45:12,700
relationship with his dad. 
Yeah. 

715
00:45:13,500 --> 00:45:18,000
And so it's really cool to see 
his perception like of his 

716
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,400
parents. 
Marriage is a picture of June on

717
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:21,800
the cover. 
Mmm. 

718
00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:23,300
Yeah. 
And there's a lot of pictures in

719
00:45:23,300 --> 00:45:29,900
the book as well of her Them 
together like it's a picture of 

720
00:45:29,900 --> 00:45:32,600
him as a baby. 
And I could tar case. 

721
00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:39,200
Guys, you can't see. 
I know so and then he said in 

722
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,500
the book about those early 
years, he says their 

723
00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:46,100
relationship at that point was 
as good as it had ever been in 

724
00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:49,200
their careers were soaring. 
The world was their stage. 

725
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,100
It was in this life that I was 
born. 

726
00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:54,900
The seemingly perfect life. 
When the story of John and June,

727
00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:57,100
Carter Cash have been told in 
brief. 

728
00:45:57,100 --> 00:46:00,100
This is the happy ending. 
They have they have this is the 

729
00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:03,400
happy ending, they had a son and
they all lived happily ever 

730
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,100
after. 
That seems to be the unspoken 

731
00:46:06,100 --> 00:46:09,400
message of the film walk. 
The line, of course, that's not 

732
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,300
true. 
In fact, it's far from true. 

733
00:46:11,300 --> 00:46:14,800
But through all the years ahead,
the successes and failures, 

734
00:46:15,100 --> 00:46:17,800
triumphs and heartache, their 
love lasted. 

735
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:22,100
Hmm. 
So those first like seven years 

736
00:46:22,500 --> 00:46:26,400
of John Carter Cash is life. 
There were really idyllic like 

737
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,800
they were on the road a lot. 
They were really close knit 

738
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:33,400
family even slept in his parents
bedroom with them everywhere 

739
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:38,200
that they went I did. 
Okay I read a rumor online that 

740
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,600
Johnny allegedly had an affair 
during this time with June 

741
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,400
sister Anita and that like Anita
got pregnant with his baby but I

742
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,600
don't think that's true at all. 
Like it's crazy. 

743
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,700
People would know more. 
About that. 

744
00:46:49,900 --> 00:46:51,800
Where'd you read that? 
That journalists. 

745
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:56,600
Are you talking about? 
Yeah, I feel like that's like 

746
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,200
too crazy. 
And like, it was on the inquire 

747
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,400
but like nothing. 
That's I think people would talk

748
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,200
about that about is true. 
That's very scandalous. 

749
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,300
Yeah, I know doing the Sims 4 
shine. 

750
00:47:09,300 --> 00:47:11,800
Oh yeah, I don't think that's 
true. 

751
00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:17,300
So yeah, June and John were both
Big. 

752
00:47:17,300 --> 00:47:19,700
Spenders are a little 
Materialistic. 

753
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,800
John Carter Cash. 
Remembered in the book a time 

754
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,600
when June had picked up a purse 
at a store that looking at the 

755
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,000
price tag and then the cashier 
said that will be twelve 

756
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,600
thousand dollars in June didn't 
even blink. 

757
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,900
She just said I'll be paying 
with my American Express like 

758
00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:40,600
they just kind of bought 
whatever they wanted, they both 

759
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,000
had some the 70s Mmm. 
Yeah twelve thousand dollars on 

760
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,600
a purse. 
I mean that's insane today. 

761
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,700
I don't think they worried about
money whatsoever. 

762
00:47:50,900 --> 00:47:53,700
They owned a lot of property. 
They had a house in Port Richey,

763
00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:56,900
Florida. 
A lake house in Henderson 

764
00:47:57,300 --> 00:48:02,200
Hendersonville Tennessee. 
Hmm, an apartment in New York 

765
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:08,700
City, an apartment in Ashbury 
Park, New Jersey, a farm in bond

766
00:48:08,700 --> 00:48:15,100
Aqua Tennessee and an estate in 
Jamaica called Cinnamon Hill, 

767
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:18,500
which they spent a lot of time. 
Is it Hendersonville Tennessee? 

768
00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:23,100
Or is it is that Virginia 
actually just happen? 

769
00:48:23,300 --> 00:48:25,300
Or is it North Korea and maybe 
North Carolina. 

770
00:48:25,300 --> 00:48:27,800
Actually I'm not really too 
sure. 

771
00:48:29,100 --> 00:48:31,800
It's okay. 
It's Hennessy. 

772
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,500
Yeah, I think they also had a 
house in Virginia, though. 

773
00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:36,300
So, I wouldn't even listen to 
that. 

774
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,200
Wow, that's a lot. 
Mmm. 

775
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,900
But so, then things started to 
sour in about 1977 Johnny. 

776
00:48:43,900 --> 00:48:48,700
Relapsed into his drug addiction
know which apparently led to him

777
00:48:48,700 --> 00:48:50,600
cheating a lot. 
But I couldn't find anything 

778
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,200
specific about like who he 
really cheated with? 

779
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,100
I think he just had like a lot 
of one-night stand. 

780
00:48:55,100 --> 00:49:00,600
No Johnny no, uh-huh. 
And Little John. 

781
00:49:00,700 --> 00:49:03,700
John said in the book that was 
mostly sober for the first seven

782
00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:05,900
years of my life. 
And when he was sober, he was a 

783
00:49:05,908 --> 00:49:09,200
faithful devoted husband and a 
creative and inspiring father, 

784
00:49:09,500 --> 00:49:11,800
but the addiction was not 
something that I would ever be 

785
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,800
not in this life. 
And when his addiction was in 

786
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:18,800
control of him, he became a 
different person entirely And 

787
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:23,000
yeah, I really liked that 
self-control and little John 

788
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:27,400
says, parents would fight a lot 
like all the time and he lived 

789
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,100
in constant fear that they would
get divorced and said that he 

790
00:49:30,100 --> 00:49:32,700
would often run into the middle 
of the room when they were 

791
00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:37,300
fighting with each other and 
that he would burst into tears 

792
00:49:37,300 --> 00:49:41,200
to get them to stop. 
He said that like Johnny never 

793
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:46,100
laid a hand on June but like one
time he did like like he raised 

794
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:49,700
his fist as if he was going to 
but He never did. 

795
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,900
I don't know why I'm laughing 
because Mel just at, yeah, but 

796
00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:56,200
he was like he was like the one 
thing I know for sure. 

797
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,400
Like, you never did hit her but 
like it would seem like he 

798
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,500
would, but still. 
Well, that's good. 

799
00:50:01,500 --> 00:50:04,600
I mean, John Carter Cash 
probably would know. 

800
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,400
Yeah. 
Anybody. 

801
00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:10,200
Yeah. 
But yeah, he was really scared 

802
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,300
that his parents who get 
divorced, which is a common 

803
00:50:12,300 --> 00:50:16,100
thing for little. 
Yeah, here and in 1979 June 

804
00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:19,300
actually really did consider 
leaving Johnny Me and spent time

805
00:50:19,300 --> 00:50:23,100
away in London with her daughter
Carlene, while she tried to come

806
00:50:23,100 --> 00:50:29,300
up with a plan to leave him. 
Yeah, I'm not your Johnny. 

807
00:50:29,300 --> 00:50:32,900
And June went on vacation with 
little John to their home in 

808
00:50:32,900 --> 00:50:36,200
Jamaica, for spring break. 
And during that time, they were 

809
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,800
arguing a lot to the point where
Johnny actually asked Littlejohn

810
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,800
to leave the room. 
Hmm. 

811
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,500
Little John was so scared. 
He's like this is that like my 

812
00:50:44,508 --> 00:50:47,800
parents are gonna get divorced 
like this is like when it's 

813
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,600
going to happen. 
Then and then they call them 

814
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,400
back into the room and they told
him that they were going to get 

815
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,900
remarried. 
Wow, either vows, and he was 

816
00:50:56,900 --> 00:51:02,500
like, what he said. 
I never knew what my father 

817
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,200
said. 
Some my mother that day that 

818
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,000
brought her back to him. 
So utterly and steadfastly. 

819
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,500
But it was as if they had just 
fallen in love for the first 

820
00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:13,000
time whatever. 
He said, and did it was pure 

821
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,200
enchantment. 
Mom had forgiven him without 

822
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,100
reservation and their love. 
For each other became stronger. 

823
00:51:18,300 --> 00:51:20,500
Than ever. 
Wow, I do think around this 

824
00:51:20,500 --> 00:51:23,600
time, Johnny went to rehab. 
So that's probably what made 

825
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,000
him. 
Mmm. 

826
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,800
When her back. 
Hmm. 

827
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:34,300
And got clean again, just nice. 
And then in 1981, Johnny and 

828
00:51:34,300 --> 00:51:38,700
June Littlejohn along with some 
of their friends like his good 

829
00:51:38,700 --> 00:51:42,100
friend, Little John's like 
school friend. 

830
00:51:42,100 --> 00:51:44,600
I think they're like 12 years 
old at the time, they all went 

831
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,900
on vacation to Jamaica for 
Christmas and they usually hired

832
00:51:47,900 --> 00:51:50,400
security. 
Ready for their home when they 

833
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,100
were down there, but they just 
skipped out on it this time, 

834
00:51:53,100 --> 00:51:55,100
they're like, oh, we're fine. 
Like, they had this like, very 

835
00:51:55,100 --> 00:51:59,900
like false sense of security, 
which wasn't good, because, as 

836
00:51:59,900 --> 00:52:04,500
they were praying at the dinner 
table, this voice broke out and 

837
00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:07,400
said, someone is going to die 
here tonight. 

838
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,400
What? 
Uh-huh, and they looked at the 

839
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:14,300
door and there were three men 
with ski masks on standing in 

840
00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:18,100
the doorway. 
Oh my God, one had a hatchet. 

841
00:52:18,300 --> 00:52:20,400
Get another one. 
Had a dagger. 

842
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,800
And another one had a pistol. 
Oh my God! 

843
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,400
And the one with the pistol was 
like, raising it and the air. 

844
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,400
Yeah. 
And like they're all just having

845
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,600
this like Christmas dinner. 
Like, it was really scary and 

846
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,000
they grabbed Little John's 
friend named Doug. 

847
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,900
Doug is his 12 year old boy and 
this was the those men grabbed. 

848
00:52:40,900 --> 00:52:41,400
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

849
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,500
The men grabbed him and they put
the gun to his head. 

850
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:50,600
What Doug's poor Doug and said 
Ed tell him, tell them if we do 

851
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:54,100
not get 3 million dollars within
the next hour we were going to 

852
00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:57,200
kill you. 
That's so scary. 

853
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,200
Yeah. 
And Johnny at told them that 

854
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,700
they would give them anything 
that they wanted but they didn't

855
00:53:01,700 --> 00:53:04,700
have three million dollars on 
them and then they grabbed a 

856
00:53:04,707 --> 00:53:08,400
little John their son and kept 
threatening them even more 

857
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,200
saying like you have to give us 
some money right now. 

858
00:53:13,700 --> 00:53:16,200
Yeah, I feel like that was like 
damn what happened. 

859
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:20,500
So then each person in the house
one by one around the whole 

860
00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:25,800
house to make them, give them 
anything that they had and John 

861
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,000
Carter Cash rates as we cook Lea
obeyed. 

862
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,600
I caught my father's. 
I never before had. 

863
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,600
I seen such fear and 
helplessness from him. 

864
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,200
I was trying to be strong, but 
the look on his face toward deep

865
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,500
into my heart. 
I could tell Dad feared, we 

866
00:53:37,500 --> 00:53:39,700
would not make it through this 
hellish night. 

867
00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:42,700
He said, I do not remember who 
went first, but Dad later Told 

868
00:53:42,700 --> 00:53:46,100
me that he had never been so 
afraid as when they took Mom, he

869
00:53:46,100 --> 00:53:47,700
was terrified while she was 
gone. 

870
00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:52,700
But eventually she was returned 
seemingly unscathed and after 

871
00:53:52,700 --> 00:53:56,700
four hours of these left with 5 
thousand dollars in cash and all

872
00:53:56,700 --> 00:54:00,300
the jewelry in the house and 
they locked everybody in the 

873
00:54:00,300 --> 00:54:03,600
basement with food. 
Oh my God. 

874
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,100
That's not. 
Yeah, I know. 

875
00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:08,500
I can't believe that happened 
the one time. 

876
00:54:08,500 --> 00:54:10,400
They didn't have security, I 
know, seriously. 

877
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,400
I feel like they never didn't 
have security. 

878
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:17,300
Ever again and they broke out of
the basement. 

879
00:54:17,300 --> 00:54:21,500
By slamming, a large coat rack 
through the door and the three 

880
00:54:21,500 --> 00:54:25,900
men who had robbed them. 
They were actually all killed 

881
00:54:25,900 --> 00:54:28,700
upon resisting arrest. 
Wow. 

882
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,300
And John Carter said that he had
felt really sad about that since

883
00:54:32,900 --> 00:54:37,000
the men just clearly were like 
struggling and like poor and but

884
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,200
he was like obviously that 
shouldn't have. 

885
00:54:39,700 --> 00:54:42,000
Yeah, they sent a weapons on 
them. 

886
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:43,600
Yeah. 
Yeah, they could have really 

887
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,200
killed them. 
Mmm, but he said that, after 

888
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,900
that, ordeal, he noticed that 
his mom was wearing these 

889
00:54:48,900 --> 00:54:52,600
diamond earrings that her mom 
had given to her. 

890
00:54:52,900 --> 00:54:55,100
And he said, like, Mom, like 
they might have killed you, 

891
00:54:55,100 --> 00:54:56,800
like, why didn't you just give 
them to them? 

892
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,600
And she said, some things are 
worth my life. 

893
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:03,400
I guess what she refused to give
them her earrings. 

894
00:55:04,100 --> 00:55:06,100
I don't get this. 
I know. 

895
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,900
But that just like shows like 
the spunkiness of like her 

896
00:55:09,900 --> 00:55:12,100
character. 
Yeah, she would have died for 

897
00:55:12,100 --> 00:55:18,300
those. 
Geez that happened. 

898
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,200
I was shocked by that. 
It's interesting in that book 

899
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:26,800
that part like occurs and then 
it's like broken up by like fun.

900
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,400
Pictures. 
Look like I've had that's not 

901
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:34,400
smart place today. 
This weird put a gun to my head 

902
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,200
and then and then traveler 
pictures. 

903
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:43,700
We need a minute. 
Poor dog. 

904
00:55:43,700 --> 00:55:46,600
He was just there with his leg 
friends family name. 

905
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,400
Wow, they're really lucky turned
out. 

906
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,100
Okay, I know seriously that's 
one of those things. 

907
00:55:52,100 --> 00:55:54,400
It's like no. 
You're when you're in a moment 

908
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,100
of Crisis. 
Mmm. 

909
00:55:56,300 --> 00:55:59,700
Like it will pass. 
And might I mean, that could 

910
00:55:59,700 --> 00:56:02,500
have gone a lot worse. 
But like they won't have my had 

911
00:56:02,500 --> 00:56:04,700
a bat in my apartment. 
And that whenever I'm having a 

912
00:56:04,707 --> 00:56:07,900
stressful moment I'm like, well 
I'm not still stuck in the 

913
00:56:07,900 --> 00:56:09,600
apartment with a bat, you know 
what I mean? 

914
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,300
Like he's they're not still 
stuck in the basement with like 

915
00:56:12,500 --> 00:56:15,100
Burglars upstairs. 
So I can't believe you come here

916
00:56:15,100 --> 00:56:19,900
to murder her. 
Well, you never know. 

917
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:25,300
That's can kill people. 
Hmm, I can't they have rabies 

918
00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:31,700
No, but it's obviously this is a
lot of theory but that's not 

919
00:56:31,700 --> 00:56:36,400
scary as well anyway. 
So yeah throughout the 80s their

920
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,600
marriage was really Rocky, John 
Enos still struggling with his 

921
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,000
addiction and on the road they 
usually book separate hotel 

922
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,400
rooms just in case they needed 
their space from each other. 

923
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,300
Sometimes he would share bad, 
but usually sup separately and 

924
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:55,300
little John, he would sometimes 
share a room with his dad and he

925
00:56:55,300 --> 00:56:58,700
would just like, Watch over him 
and like count his breathing and

926
00:56:58,700 --> 00:57:00,900
sometimes he would stop 
breathing and he definitely go 

927
00:57:00,900 --> 00:57:03,200
get his mom. 
Like it was really stressful. 

928
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,100
Why would they have him? 
Be with Johnny? 

929
00:57:07,500 --> 00:57:10,100
I don't get that. 
I think. 

930
00:57:10,100 --> 00:57:13,600
Usually he shared a room with 
his mom but like I think, I 

931
00:57:13,607 --> 00:57:15,500
don't know. 
I feel like they may be wanted 

932
00:57:15,500 --> 00:57:18,500
him to like well, he's older at 
this point I guess like a 

933
00:57:18,500 --> 00:57:20,500
teenager. 
Yeah, yeah. 

934
00:57:21,100 --> 00:57:22,700
Probably didn't want to be with 
his mom. 

935
00:57:22,700 --> 00:57:25,500
Hmm. 
And he describes his dad as 

936
00:57:25,500 --> 00:57:29,300
being Really emotionally absent 
during that time he says bright 

937
00:57:29,300 --> 00:57:31,900
and clear back then, Mom knew 
what she wanted. 

938
00:57:31,900 --> 00:57:35,100
Most of all she wanted a clean 
man in her life, a husband who 

939
00:57:35,300 --> 00:57:37,900
could be counted on her love for
him would never change. 

940
00:57:37,900 --> 00:57:40,400
But the truth was dad was 
slipping away. 

941
00:57:41,700 --> 00:57:44,500
It also says as though, it was 
as though he was asleep but 

942
00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:51,000
somehow still functioning just 
barely just sad and also during 

943
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:56,900
this time period Besides Johnny,
all three of John's children 

944
00:57:56,900 --> 00:58:01,400
were also struggling with 
addiction Carlene Rosie, and 

945
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,500
then eventually in the late 80s,
early 90s Little, John's started

946
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,300
experimenting with drugs and 
alcohol to actually started. 

947
00:58:08,300 --> 00:58:13,500
When he's 14, started drinking. 
No, and they all were alcoholics

948
00:58:13,500 --> 00:58:15,700
and drug addicts. 
Oh my gosh. 

949
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,700
So, June was constantly looking 
out for all three of her kids 

950
00:58:19,700 --> 00:58:22,700
and her husband, and she was 
really worried about everybody 

951
00:58:23,100 --> 00:58:24,700
around. 
Found her and the sucks. 

952
00:58:24,700 --> 00:58:26,400
Yeah. 
Like it was awful and like the 

953
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,700
stress made her physically sick 
and she even ended up in the 

954
00:58:29,707 --> 00:58:32,000
hospital at one point because 
she was really struggling with 

955
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,300
depression from just worrying so
much. 

956
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,600
Little John said, mom was the 
most forgiving person I had ever

957
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,300
known but her repeated and 
unconditional forgiveness 

958
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,600
allowed those. 
She loved the most to hurt her. 

959
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,000
The deepest mom, gave her whole 
heart and soul to her family. 

960
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:52,700
And in some way, she enabled 
them in their addiction and the 

961
00:58:52,700 --> 00:58:56,500
family is Increasingly concerned
about Johnny, who is just 

962
00:58:56,900 --> 00:59:00,300
seriously like barely 
functioning, and they're worried

963
00:59:00,300 --> 00:59:02,100
that he'll die if he doesn't get
help. 

964
00:59:02,100 --> 00:59:06,900
So June stages, an intervention 
for him and says that she will 

965
00:59:06,900 --> 00:59:08,700
leave him if he doesn't get 
clean. 

966
00:59:08,700 --> 00:59:12,600
And so he goes to rehab in 
California and he does get clean

967
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:16,100
and he stays that way for a few 
years, then he begins using 

968
00:59:16,100 --> 00:59:19,600
drugs again. 
No, and his son Little John goes

969
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,000
to that seem rehab to get clean 
as well. 

970
00:59:22,700 --> 00:59:26,900
Damn, Man. 
Yeah that's upsetting. 

971
00:59:26,900 --> 00:59:30,900
Mmm. 
Yeah it was really like a rough 

972
00:59:30,900 --> 00:59:36,400
time and then in the 90s little 
John says in his book that he 

973
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:41,000
began to notice unfortunately 
that his mom started to use 

974
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:45,800
drugs to June, she had been so 
strong for so long and was 

975
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,200
really looking out for 
everybody. 

976
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:51,300
But now at this point, she's 
like in her 60s and she's 

977
00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:53,300
starting to have more chronic 
pain. 

978
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,900
She's prescribed narcotics. 
So she begins taking those to 

979
00:59:56,900 --> 00:59:59,800
cope with her pain, but then she
starts taking them to cope with 

980
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,400
the mental pain. 
To, I know, it's really tough, 

981
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,900
but he says earlier in the book 
that like he remembers like in 

982
01:00:06,900 --> 01:00:09,800
those early years of his life, 
like being on the road, they 

983
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:10,900
would have a pill for 
everything. 

984
01:00:10,900 --> 01:00:12,600
Like if you have headache, 
here's a pill here. 

985
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,600
If you have allergies like his 
mom, I had this like pill book 

986
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,500
and like, it wasn't like an 
addiction thing. 

987
01:00:17,500 --> 01:00:21,200
But he's like, I feel like her 
drug addiction came from that 

988
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,300
like mindset, which like was 
passed down from I'm her mom 

989
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,800
that like there's a pill for 
everything so when she was 

990
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,700
older, she started taking pills 
for pain. 

991
01:00:28,700 --> 01:00:31,100
She just started taking them for
emotional. 

992
01:00:31,100 --> 01:00:35,800
Okay? 
Nana Sadness he says for so long

993
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,700
mom had obsessed over the 
addiction of her husband, her 

994
01:00:38,700 --> 01:00:41,700
daughters and her son. 
Next, she moved into tonight to 

995
01:00:41,700 --> 01:00:45,600
denial then came the time I 
believe when she had simply had 

996
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,300
enough when the struggle with 
addicts in her life, overcame 

997
01:00:48,300 --> 01:00:51,900
her strength and resolve with no
better way of describing it. 

998
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:56,600
I think the cumulative mental 
physical and emotional pain. 

999
01:00:56,600 --> 01:01:00,300
Combined, in such a way that 
drug youths eventually seemed 

1000
01:01:00,300 --> 01:01:02,200
okay to her. 
Wow. 

1001
01:01:02,300 --> 01:01:05,300
And so, like, that was kind of 
her like, Giving in like she 

1002
01:01:05,300 --> 01:01:09,300
stopped like really fighting. 
John's drug addiction Johnny's, 

1003
01:01:09,300 --> 01:01:14,900
a drug addiction and like just 
kind of gave up in a way which 

1004
01:01:14,900 --> 01:01:18,600
is sad understandable though. 
Hmm. 

1005
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,300
Which is why I feel like their 
marriage was a little bit easier

1006
01:01:21,300 --> 01:01:24,800
in the end because like that 
wasn't as much of a conflict 

1007
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:30,300
because they both were no using.
Little John said, I know he 

1008
01:01:30,300 --> 01:01:33,500
loved my mom. 
Oh, so Little John. 

1009
01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:40,300
Staged an intervention for tune 
with the help of her closest 

1010
01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:43,700
friends, but she actually, she 
was in too much Niall and she 

1011
01:01:43,700 --> 01:01:45,700
refused help. 
She was like, I can quit anytime

1012
01:01:45,700 --> 01:01:48,500
I want and like, I guess she did
for a little bit, but she kept 

1013
01:01:48,500 --> 01:01:53,500
using drugs until her death. 
And she was just a lot more 

1014
01:01:53,500 --> 01:01:56,400
emotionally absent and faded. 
And it was just sad. 

1015
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,700
I mean, that's kind of the way 
it often is for people towards 

1016
01:01:58,700 --> 01:02:00,800
the end of their life. 
Sometimes, especially as they 

1017
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,400
get older, like he just wasn't 
really the same. 

1018
01:02:03,700 --> 01:02:07,400
Yeah, she had been before yeah 
even even if you're not on 

1019
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:11,200
drugs, I feel like that just 
kind of happens sometimes 

1020
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:15,300
because of illness or yeah, I 
mean yeah a lot of people are on

1021
01:02:15,300 --> 01:02:17,900
some kind of drug because they 
do have illnesses. 

1022
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:20,700
Yeah. 
Like she would just wasn't him. 

1023
01:02:20,700 --> 01:02:24,000
She wasn't a quick anymore. 
The way she had once been yeah 

1024
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,600
he said I know so little John 
didn't invite his father. 

1025
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:32,300
Johnny to the intervention for 
his mom and he said, I knew he 

1026
01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:34,900
loved my mom more than anything.
Thing in the world, he cherished

1027
01:02:34,900 --> 01:02:39,400
her and she him, they were 
business partners and lovers and

1028
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,600
encouragers in the past, when 
Mom was weak, the other had been

1029
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,600
strong, but sadly as the years 
passed, they became each other's

1030
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:47,700
Alibi for addiction. 
So yeah. 

1031
01:02:47,700 --> 01:02:51,000
He didn't include Johnny and the
intervention, but it was kind of

1032
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:52,700
fruitless like, nothing really 
came of it. 

1033
01:02:52,700 --> 01:02:57,100
You never really got help. 
Sadly, I feel like I got it. 

1034
01:02:57,100 --> 01:03:00,100
Like, she didn't really see 
herself the same way that she 

1035
01:03:00,100 --> 01:03:02,800
saw a like, her kids and her 
husband. 

1036
01:03:03,700 --> 01:03:06,600
It's pretty simple sad. 
You know like she had been 

1037
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,300
taking care of them for so long.
I feel like she just didn't 

1038
01:03:09,300 --> 01:03:11,400
really think that she could 
succumb to like the same 

1039
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,000
problems. 
Yeah. 

1040
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,300
Beate very common thing to. 
I feel like for older people 

1041
01:03:18,300 --> 01:03:21,400
like get prescribed, these 
really strong medications for 

1042
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:25,400
like arthritis and everything 
and become addicted. 

1043
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:35,300
But in the late 90s, 1997 Johnny
had been diagnosed with 

1044
01:03:35,300 --> 01:03:38,200
something called shy-drager 
syndrome, which is a 

1045
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:42,600
neurodegenerative disease that 
causes atrophy and he was 

1046
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,500
starting to be wheelchair-bound.
Bound and he was also struggling

1047
01:03:46,500 --> 01:03:49,900
a lot with type 2 diabetes and 
he was losing his eyesight. 

1048
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,200
So he gave up performing and 
touring all together. 

1049
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:57,000
But during this time, Juna spent
more time in the recording 

1050
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:03,000
studio with her son, John as 
well as Johnny as well and a few

1051
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,700
other collaborators and she 
worked on her second album which

1052
01:04:05,700 --> 01:04:08,000
I didn't know. 
She only had three albums, one 

1053
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,000
came out after her death like 
three solo albums. 

1054
01:04:11,100 --> 01:04:14,100
This is her this album was 
called press on. 

1055
01:04:14,100 --> 01:04:16,300
I think it was later now. 
Needed for a Grammy and want a 

1056
01:04:16,300 --> 01:04:20,600
Grammy but it's really sweet and
includes this duet between her 

1057
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,900
and Johnny, which this is, you 
know, later in their life, 

1058
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:28,200
Johnny sings, I believe my steps
are grown weary, your each day 

1059
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,700
still, I've got another Journey 
on my mind. 

1060
01:04:31,100 --> 01:04:34,700
There is of this old world that 
sees to make me want to stay in.

1061
01:04:34,700 --> 01:04:38,300
My one, regret is leaving you 
behind, then she sings. 

1062
01:04:38,700 --> 01:04:42,600
But if it proves to be his will 
that I am first to go and 

1063
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:47,200
somehow I'm a feeling, it will. 
Be when it comes to your time to

1064
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:51,700
travel likewise don't feel lost.
Or I will be the first one that 

1065
01:04:51,700 --> 01:04:56,500
you'll see. 
Oh my God, they sing together. 

1066
01:04:56,500 --> 01:05:00,100
And I'll be waiting on the far 
side banks of Jordan, and I'll 

1067
01:05:00,100 --> 01:05:03,700
be sitting drawing pictures on 
the sand, and when I see you 

1068
01:05:03,700 --> 01:05:07,700
coming, I will rise up with the 
shout and come running through 

1069
01:05:07,700 --> 01:05:11,100
the shallow Waters, reaching for
your hand. 

1070
01:05:11,500 --> 01:05:18,900
That is beautiful. 
Really sweet and in 1999, June 

1071
01:05:19,100 --> 01:05:24,300
toward that album, she did about
15 shows that was her last time,

1072
01:05:24,300 --> 01:05:29,400
really performing and touring 
her and Johnny were becoming a 

1073
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,800
lot weaker. 
They both just had a lot of 

1074
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,500
health problems as people sent, 
you know, do at that age, they 

1075
01:05:35,500 --> 01:05:38,500
were in their 70s. 
Now little John says that they 

1076
01:05:38,500 --> 01:05:41,200
were both in and out of the 
hospital at all times. 

1077
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,700
Both taking care of each other. 
When mom was sick, the other one

1078
01:05:43,700 --> 01:05:47,000
was healthy. 
And while one was weak, the 

1079
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,500
other one was strong. 
They were always just like 

1080
01:05:50,100 --> 01:05:52,100
bringing each other like, to the
hospital. 

1081
01:05:52,100 --> 01:05:55,300
They have their own sweet. 
They're actually at the top of 

1082
01:05:55,300 --> 01:06:00,400
the hospital and in June 2002, 
they were able to have this big 

1083
01:06:00,500 --> 01:06:03,100
family gathering together for a 
week. 

1084
01:06:03,300 --> 01:06:06,400
However, things still weren't 
really great in the family. 

1085
01:06:06,900 --> 01:06:10,500
At this point. 
June was very strained from her 

1086
01:06:10,500 --> 01:06:13,800
daughter estranged from her 
daughter, Carlene who still 

1087
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,800
struggling with drugs, And her 
daughter Rosie and Rose. 

1088
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:21,400
You is a deeply struggling like 
she had a lot of like anger 

1089
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:26,300
issues to like lash out a lot. 
She's sad and his book. 

1090
01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:28,500
Little John says I keep calling 
him Little John because I think 

1091
01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:31,400
it's really confusing. 
I don't even think Golem that he

1092
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,200
says that his parents were more 
in love, during this time than 

1093
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:37,300
they ever had been before. 
He said, although their love 

1094
01:06:37,300 --> 01:06:39,500
never died during the decades 
together. 

1095
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,400
There had been many times when 
they had nearly given up on 

1096
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,100
their marriage now. 
However, their relationship was 

1097
01:06:45,100 --> 01:06:48,300
as unbreakable as hardened 
steel, the fires that they had 

1098
01:06:48,300 --> 01:06:49,800
been through. 
Strengthened them it to the 

1099
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:54,900
point that they were true. 
As one as much a single being as

1100
01:06:54,900 --> 01:06:58,900
any to can be most of all. 
And those last few months 

1101
01:06:58,900 --> 01:07:02,800
together, they were the greatest
of friends, they did sleep in 

1102
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,300
separate bedrooms but because 
June preferred to watch TV and 

1103
01:07:06,300 --> 01:07:08,000
Johnny preferred to sleep 
without TV. 

1104
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,600
So, they spent pretty much every
waking hour together. 

1105
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:13,500
The only time that they were a 
part was when they went to 

1106
01:07:13,500 --> 01:07:15,400
sleep. 
I don't think Really means 

1107
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:16,900
anything. 
I mean, I don't think so either.

1108
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,000
I'm a wicked light sleeper, and 
I've always said that if I 

1109
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:24,000
married someone that snort, I 
would have a different bedroom. 

1110
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:28,700
I think it's like, healthy. 
Yeah, little distractions. 

1111
01:07:28,700 --> 01:07:30,700
I can really interfere with your
sleep. 

1112
01:07:30,700 --> 01:07:32,800
And, yeah, it's a big one, if 
one person. 

1113
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,200
So just like to keep the TV on 
all night. 

1114
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,400
Yeah, that would drive me crazy.
Yeah, I mean, my parents 

1115
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,800
definitely have like sleep 
issues as well. 

1116
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,700
Like my dad goes to bed. 
Super super early like 9:00 at 

1117
01:07:44,700 --> 01:07:45,300
night. 
Night. 

1118
01:07:45,300 --> 01:07:48,700
But my mom likes to stay up and 
just like, watch the news until 

1119
01:07:48,700 --> 01:07:52,800
like midnight. 
So yes, often an issue for them.

1120
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:55,700
Yeah. 
Or like be on her phone late at 

1121
01:07:55,700 --> 01:08:00,700
night, isn't like that and I 
feel like my dad stays up leader

1122
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,100
way later than my mom. 
Mmm. 

1123
01:08:03,900 --> 01:08:05,300
Yeah. 
And they also have health 

1124
01:08:05,300 --> 01:08:07,100
problems. 
So like they would get up to the

1125
01:08:07,100 --> 01:08:10,900
bathroom, a lot at night and 
like that would just, you know, 

1126
01:08:10,900 --> 01:08:14,600
wake the other one up. 
So, but Jim was still in the 

1127
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:18,399
Threw a lot at this time. 
Recording. 

1128
01:08:18,399 --> 01:08:21,500
What would be her? 
Third album, but Johnny wasn't. 

1129
01:08:21,500 --> 01:08:23,600
He was in the recording studio 
to like you. 

1130
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,100
We often help her with her 
album, or like vice versa. 

1131
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,000
They did a lot of like recording
like a lot of their recordings. 

1132
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:34,200
At this time, I think were 
re-recording old songs or songs 

1133
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:37,600
from like other people and they 
just, they had their own. 

1134
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:39,800
They didn't like this cabin and 
they had this, like, recording 

1135
01:08:39,800 --> 01:08:44,600
studio in the cabin, but her 
doctors became really concerned 

1136
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:49,000
with With her heart, she was 
having heart failure. 

1137
01:08:49,700 --> 01:08:53,000
Little John said, in his book 
that she was like eating like a 

1138
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,800
really high fat diet. 
And actually we had like 200 

1139
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:58,200
pounds really the end of her 
life. 

1140
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,600
I don't like then I saw pictures
of her eyes like she doesn't 

1141
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:04,000
look like she is but like I 
guess if she was like not really

1142
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:08,200
taking care of herself. 
Yeah she had heart problems and 

1143
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,899
so they recommended that she 
have this surgery to replace a 

1144
01:09:11,907 --> 01:09:14,800
valve in her heart in the 
surgery went well but 

1145
01:09:14,899 --> 01:09:18,700
Unfortunately she then went into
cardiac arrest and she needed 

1146
01:09:18,700 --> 01:09:24,500
CPR for about 15 minutes and 
then she was put on life support

1147
01:09:24,700 --> 01:09:30,100
for about a day or two and 
Johnny was beside himself. 

1148
01:09:30,100 --> 01:09:34,700
He he like really believe that 
she would wake up like she would

1149
01:09:34,700 --> 01:09:37,399
blink or something and he's like
no she's waking up but like that

1150
01:09:37,399 --> 01:09:41,800
was just like involuntary 
movement and according to 

1151
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,700
Littlejohn he leaned over her in
the hospital bed. 

1152
01:09:44,899 --> 01:09:49,100
Ed and he started crying. 
He said, baby, baby June, I love

1153
01:09:49,100 --> 01:09:52,000
you, you're going to be fine. 
I love you baby. 

1154
01:09:52,100 --> 01:09:56,900
That's so cute and no runs me of
Edward. 

1155
01:09:57,600 --> 01:10:00,800
Breaking dawn know, it's sad, 
though, it's really sad. 

1156
01:10:02,700 --> 01:10:06,600
That's bad for me like to farad 
to bring down, but that's what 

1157
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,900
it was. 
Yeah, there was little John 

1158
01:10:09,900 --> 01:10:13,300
says, there's such a sadness on 
Dad's face such desperation in 

1159
01:10:13,300 --> 01:10:16,100
his eyes as he begged her. 
Need to come back to him. 

1160
01:10:16,300 --> 01:10:18,300
It was the hardest thing he had 
experienced. 

1161
01:10:18,300 --> 01:10:22,900
Since his brothers jacked up 
Jack's death in 1944, he rocked 

1162
01:10:22,900 --> 01:10:27,000
gently back and forth talking to
her in fervent tones. 

1163
01:10:28,100 --> 01:10:31,000
However, the doctors declared 
that she was brain dead and 

1164
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:34,800
recommended that, they take her 
off of life support both. 

1165
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:37,600
So crazy is after they took her 
off, life support. 

1166
01:10:37,700 --> 01:10:40,200
She continued to live for four 
days. 

1167
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:42,100
Wow. 
So, they were just like at the 

1168
01:10:42,100 --> 01:10:44,600
hospital for four days straight,
like waiting for her final. 

1169
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:49,000
Moments and like, just like my 
goodness each day kept passing, 

1170
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:55,900
but then she finally passed on 
May 15 2003 at age 73 and John 

1171
01:10:55,900 --> 01:11:00,600
Johnny insisted that they have a
big public funeral for her and I

1172
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,500
guess she loved flowers so much 
that in the obituary they wrote 

1173
01:11:03,500 --> 01:11:07,600
in lieu, of donations, 
sunflowers, kind of funny. 

1174
01:11:10,300 --> 01:11:15,900
And yeah, he was beside himself 
Johnny, but Just a few days 

1175
01:11:15,900 --> 01:11:21,200
later, he went back into the 
recording studio to really not 

1176
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:23,600
distract him. 
But like to cope like you said 

1177
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:27,400
that this was like music was the
only way that he could process 

1178
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:32,200
the loss of her death and he 
gave an interview about 3 months

1179
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:35,100
later. 
All right, for more than 30 

1180
01:11:35,100 --> 01:11:36,600
years, what's the secret to 
that? 

1181
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:40,600
How do people stay together? 
We were together 40 years, we 

1182
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:46,200
worked on the road together 
since 1963 and we got married in

1183
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:53,700
68 and the suited for a happy 
marriage separate bathrooms. 

1184
01:11:55,800 --> 01:12:00,500
That's it, I think so. 
When Jim passed on, did she have

1185
01:12:00,500 --> 01:12:02,500
any advice for you to keep 
going? 

1186
01:12:02,500 --> 01:12:04,100
Keep making music? 
Isaac. 

1187
01:12:04,100 --> 01:12:09,000
Oh, she always said that she, 
she was my great encourager. 

1188
01:12:09,500 --> 01:12:11,300
She was my biggest critic to 
none. 

1189
01:12:11,700 --> 01:12:15,000
If she didn't, like, stuff in 
the that I did, she told me 

1190
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:19,300
about it in a hot minute. 
I imagine it must be the to be 

1191
01:12:19,300 --> 01:12:22,000
married so long and to lose 
someone it, cemented people 

1192
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:25,000
would sometimes just want to 
stop and say the spouses 

1193
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,700
sometimes just follow each other
but you're still going ready to 

1194
01:12:28,700 --> 01:12:30,700
go. 
Where do we where do you get 

1195
01:12:30,700 --> 01:12:32,600
the? 
The energy machine told me in 

1196
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:35,000
the hospital. 
So go to work. 

1197
01:12:35,500 --> 01:12:36,800
I said, what are you talking 
about? 

1198
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,900
She said, don't worry about me, 
go to work. 

1199
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:44,200
And at the funeral I could 
almost hear. 

1200
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,200
Send go to work three days after
the funeral. 

1201
01:12:47,500 --> 01:12:51,100
Everybody said you're crazy but 
three days after the funeral, I 

1202
01:12:51,108 --> 01:12:55,300
was in the studio really well 
and our students, do you know, 

1203
01:12:55,300 --> 01:13:00,500
for two weeks and it was great 
therapy for me and I think I 

1204
01:13:00,500 --> 01:13:05,500
accomplished more than that 
couple of weeks than Most of the

1205
01:13:05,500 --> 01:13:08,700
other year combined. 
Wow. 

1206
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:14,600
Oh, that's cute total work. 
Yeah, it's kind of sad though 

1207
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:16,300
that the inner. 
I don't know the guys name. 

1208
01:13:16,300 --> 01:13:18,500
I should know. 
But like he was like, you know? 

1209
01:13:18,500 --> 01:13:20,400
Spouses usually follow each 
other? 

1210
01:13:21,100 --> 01:13:23,300
Yeah. 
But I could tell he felt awkward

1211
01:13:23,300 --> 01:13:27,700
about that and Johnny was 
distraught though like that was 

1212
01:13:27,700 --> 01:13:31,000
a good escape to him but he was 
really growing weaker and 

1213
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:35,600
weaker. 
For of when they get married 

1214
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:40,700
like that 1960-something now 
over 30 years. 

1215
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:47,300
Mmm, so he got was just really 
sad. 

1216
01:13:47,700 --> 01:13:53,500
And then just four months later 
in September he was hospitalized

1217
01:13:53,500 --> 01:13:58,000
due to complications from his 
diabetes and he died on 

1218
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:02,900
September 12 2003 less than four
months after June had died so he

1219
01:14:02,900 --> 01:14:04,900
did follow her. 
Her weave like yeah the fact 

1220
01:14:04,900 --> 01:14:07,200
that he died. 
So soon after is like one thing 

1221
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:11,300
that like people really. 
Yeah you know like a tribute to 

1222
01:14:11,308 --> 01:14:13,600
them being soul mates. 
Is that because they died like 

1223
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:17,400
really close together. 
That's supposedly a real thing 

1224
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,700
and apparently happens more 
often with men. 

1225
01:14:20,700 --> 01:14:27,900
Yes die kind of a broken heart. 
Yeah I know to lose your spouse 

1226
01:14:27,900 --> 01:14:33,500
would really raise your stress 
levels and you know, wreck. 

1227
01:14:33,700 --> 01:14:38,000
Body and if you already have 
health issues and kind of makes 

1228
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:39,900
sense that you would literally 
die from it. 

1229
01:14:39,900 --> 01:14:41,300
Yeah. 
Especially since they're both 

1230
01:14:41,300 --> 01:14:42,800
taking care of each other. 
Yeah. 

1231
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:47,500
Longer had her to lean on also 
I've heard that women have an 

1232
01:14:47,500 --> 01:14:51,600
easier not easier time but like 
they are not stronger. 

1233
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:54,200
I don't know what's the word 
like they are better at coping 

1234
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:58,600
after the loss of a husband. 
Then men are at that age. 

1235
01:14:58,700 --> 01:15:01,600
Yeah. 
When a man loses his wife, there

1236
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:06,600
could be many reasons why. 
I mean, women in general live 

1237
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:12,200
longer, Anyway, yeah, usually 
not in this case, but I feel 

1238
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:18,000
like when my grandfather died, I
never like I regret thinking 

1239
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,400
like I never stopped to think 
like that so hard for my 

1240
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,500
grandmother. 
Like, at the time, like it just 

1241
01:15:22,500 --> 01:15:23,700
seems like this is like a new 
normal. 

1242
01:15:23,700 --> 01:15:27,400
Not like now my grandmother is 
just like the grandparent that 

1243
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:29,400
we have. 
Like I never thought like that 

1244
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:31,600
must have been really hard, you 
know. 

1245
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:34,400
Yeah. 
I mean. 

1246
01:15:35,500 --> 01:15:39,200
For my, when did that happen 
2006? 

1247
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:42,400
Yeah, I was like, yeah, you 
know, I mean I think I was young

1248
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:48,000
when my grandparents lost their 
spouses so I probably didn't 

1249
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:51,200
think about it much too. 
Yeah, this is really sad. 

1250
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:56,000
It's devastating. 
Yeah II just figured him out. 

1251
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:57,700
I still think it's a great love 
story. 

1252
01:15:57,700 --> 01:16:02,700
I know there was like a lot of 
Drugs and there was infidelity 

1253
01:16:02,700 --> 01:16:05,800
and stuff, but the fact that 
they stuck together and came 

1254
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,500
through it all and we're still 
super in love in the last years 

1255
01:16:08,500 --> 01:16:11,100
of their life and we're still 
each other's best friends. 

1256
01:16:11,100 --> 01:16:16,000
I mean that's a true beautiful. 
Yeah I mean he could have been 

1257
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:20,000
just like out both of them could
just been floating from one 

1258
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:21,900
person to the next like blah 
blah blah. 

1259
01:16:21,900 --> 01:16:26,100
Yeah that they they stuck 
together and That's nice. 

1260
01:16:26,100 --> 01:16:28,200
And I think that matters. 
Yeah. 

1261
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:30,400
I think so too. 
No, I think things like that's 

1262
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,000
the thing like they genuinely 
really loved each other. 

1263
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:37,300
I think I think like I was 
getting struggling with is like 

1264
01:16:37,300 --> 01:16:40,600
it's just sad that like that 
love wasn't like as consistent 

1265
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,100
or like it just as much as they 
love each other. 

1266
01:16:43,100 --> 01:16:45,400
They couldn't really be happy 
for as long as they were 

1267
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:47,900
together, you know, like for so 
much of that. 

1268
01:16:47,900 --> 01:16:50,700
It was like turmoil. 
Yeah. 

1269
01:16:50,700 --> 01:16:54,000
And it's really sweet that they 
had in each other in the end and

1270
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:58,400
like that, that endured and and 
they had a friendship but you 

1271
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:03,900
know, like I I feel like if you 
were Like one of June's friends 

1272
01:17:03,900 --> 01:17:05,400
or something. 
You'd like leave the sky. 

1273
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:10,200
Like this is, you know, awful. 
So, like she had to be very, 

1274
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:15,400
very forgiving, mhm. 
And not a lot of people could 

1275
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:18,700
be, I know, it's, I think it's 
beautiful. 

1276
01:17:20,700 --> 01:17:23,300
Like, it's a really, I think 
it's a beautiful love story that

1277
01:17:23,300 --> 01:17:25,700
like, they hate each other. 
But I think, I mean, I think 

1278
01:17:25,700 --> 01:17:28,900
that's a reality for like love 
though. 

1279
01:17:28,900 --> 01:17:32,400
Is that like it does often have 
sacrifices? 

1280
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,500
And like, like not perfect. 
Like you're gonna have to be 

1281
01:17:36,100 --> 01:17:38,400
perfect. 
Yeah, you can't. 

1282
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:41,500
I mean, I think it is really 
hard. 

1283
01:17:41,500 --> 01:17:45,000
I think all of couples fight 
when they're married and 

1284
01:17:45,500 --> 01:17:50,600
probably, everybody thinks at 
least once about ending it and 

1285
01:17:51,300 --> 01:17:52,500
think it's really hard. 
Yeah. 

1286
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,600
And I also think that something 
like drug addiction or 

1287
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:58,000
depression or whatever was the 
root issue of all that. 

1288
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:02,100
Yeah, exactly really expect that
I love is going to be so amazing

1289
01:18:02,100 --> 01:18:04,700
that it Cures that for you? 
Yeah, no. 

1290
01:18:04,700 --> 01:18:06,900
Yeah, that's true. 
It is sad that she had to go 

1291
01:18:06,900 --> 01:18:08,300
through all of that. 
I think. 

1292
01:18:08,300 --> 01:18:10,200
Like, for me, it's like, what 
would be really hard? 

1293
01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:12,200
Is like the infidelity? 
Yeah. 

1294
01:18:12,500 --> 01:18:17,600
Like because I feel like that 
would I would think that maybe 

1295
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,900
that would be a deal breaker, 
but at the same time like I feel

1296
01:18:20,900 --> 01:18:24,100
like the infidelity was a 
symptom of his drug addiction 

1297
01:18:24,100 --> 01:18:25,500
which was a symptom of his 
depression. 

1298
01:18:25,500 --> 01:18:28,200
So it's like she really saw him 
like for who he was and like 

1299
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:30,700
just accepted him. 
I mean she knew from the very 

1300
01:18:30,700 --> 01:18:32,400
beginning, he was a cheater. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1301
01:18:32,500 --> 01:18:33,800
He's cheating on his wife of 
her. 

1302
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:37,000
Yeah, exactly. 
But it's like, but it's so 

1303
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:39,500
interesting because like just 
the fact that he cheated on 

1304
01:18:39,500 --> 01:18:42,300
June, like I don't think he was 
it like loved her, any less. 

1305
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:46,700
Yeah. 
But it's like hard to it's like 

1306
01:18:46,700 --> 01:18:50,000
so much more nuanced and like 
someone keeps their bad, you 

1307
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:54,000
know. 
I know I mean I don't know what 

1308
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:55,700
happened between them, maybe he 
was deeply. 

1309
01:18:55,700 --> 01:19:02,300
Sorry, and professed his love 
for her and I don't know. 

1310
01:19:02,300 --> 01:19:05,600
We don't know what happened. 
I do believe that people can 

1311
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:08,000
change. 
I hope they can change and it is

1312
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:13,600
disappointing. 
I hate eating, but yeah, he's 

1313
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:14,600
cheating. 
I wouldn't do that. 

1314
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:17,400
No, it's terrible but I don't 
know. 

1315
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:19,800
We don't know what happened? 
No, no, I really don't know the 

1316
01:19:19,808 --> 01:19:21,500
specifics of like his 
infidelity. 

1317
01:19:21,500 --> 01:19:25,000
I think what's just sad, too. 
Is like the healthiest years in 

1318
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:27,300
the relationship. 
We're probably the years when 

1319
01:19:27,300 --> 01:19:31,400
they were like least healthy and
like their physical bodies. 

1320
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:34,700
Like, I mean, I think they were 
still both like, doing drugs 

1321
01:19:34,700 --> 01:19:38,300
like at the very end, but in a 
medicinal way where they were 

1322
01:19:38,300 --> 01:19:41,000
like, both just like very sick 
and so like, obviously he wasn't

1323
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,000
like cheating on her and going 
out and like doing all these 

1324
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,000
crazy wild things at that point 
in their life. 

1325
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:47,400
So like that's really when they 
were like closes when they were 

1326
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:50,000
both like elderly and like at 
home and just like what happened

1327
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:54,100
7 years. 
Of Little John's. 

1328
01:19:54,100 --> 01:19:56,800
Oh yeah that's right. 
Oh yeah I first got married and 

1329
01:19:57,100 --> 01:19:58,000
that's true. 
Yeah. 

1330
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,000
They did. 
You cheating during that know he

1331
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,700
was faithful. 
So they did have that kind to 

1332
01:20:02,700 --> 01:20:05,600
together. 
Yeah. 

1333
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:07,900
If you just it was like, made me
sad, like they didn't really get

1334
01:20:07,900 --> 01:20:12,400
to experience like that much 
time together that like wasn't 

1335
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:15,800
plagued by that. 
But it's sweet how like enduring

1336
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:17,900
their love was and that is 
sweet. 

1337
01:20:17,900 --> 01:20:22,700
The last thing I really have is 
in 2011, John Carter. 

1338
01:20:22,900 --> 01:20:26,200
Cash published love letters that
Johnny had written to June 

1339
01:20:26,300 --> 01:20:30,100
during their marriage and this 
is a really sweet one from 1994.

1340
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:33,500
Johnny wrote it to June for her 
birthday. 

1341
01:20:33,500 --> 01:20:37,500
He says happy birthday. 
Princess we got old and get used

1342
01:20:37,500 --> 01:20:39,700
to each other. 
We think alike, we read each 

1343
01:20:39,700 --> 01:20:42,200
other's minds. 
We know that what the other 

1344
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:45,700
wants without asking. 
Sometimes we irritate each other

1345
01:20:45,700 --> 01:20:48,200
a little bit. 
Maybe sometimes take each other 

1346
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:52,000
for granted, but once in a while
like today, I meditate on it and

1347
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,600
realize how lucky See, I am to 
share life with the greatest 

1348
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:57,200
woman. 
I ever met, you still fascinate.

1349
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:00,600
Me and inspire me, you influence
me for the better. 

1350
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,800
You're the object of my desire. 
The number one, Earthly reason 

1351
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,300
for my existence. 
I love you very much. 

1352
01:21:06,300 --> 01:21:09,900
Happy birthday princess. 
Yeah. 

1353
01:21:09,900 --> 01:21:19,800
It's really sweet. 
That is he says, Hey June. 

1354
01:21:19,900 --> 01:21:27,200
This is Hey June. 
Hey June, this is really nice 

1355
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:30,200
June. 
You've got a way with words and 

1356
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:38,100
I away with them as well. 
This fire and excitement may be 

1357
01:21:38,100 --> 01:21:41,700
gone. 
Now that we don't go out there 

1358
01:21:41,700 --> 01:21:48,000
and sing them anymore but the 
ring of fire still Burns around 

1359
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:55,900
you and keep Keeping your love 
hotter than a pepper Sprout. 

1360
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:58,600
Love Jonica. 
I'm having trouble reading his 

1361
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,300
handwriting but I think that's 
what it says. 

1362
01:22:02,100 --> 01:22:07,100
Another one June Valentine's is 
fine but you being mine is more 

1363
01:22:07,100 --> 01:22:10,700
fine. 
Thanks, John, February 14th, 

1364
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:14,300
1987 that's cute. 
Mmm. 

1365
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:22,200
It does remind me of the John 
Lennon Yoko one that you know, 

1366
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:26,300
John Lennon did cheat on Yoko 
and it was a lot of fucked-up 

1367
01:22:26,300 --> 01:22:29,900
stuff, but then it doesn't like 
they still love each other. 

1368
01:22:30,900 --> 01:22:35,600
More than anyone and we're 
together in their last days. 

1369
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:40,900
And yeah they like I have no 
doubt that these two like really

1370
01:22:40,900 --> 01:22:43,400
loved each other. 
It's just it's just sad because 

1371
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:50,000
it's like is it possible to have
a love story where Dot Like, you

1372
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,100
don't have to like go through 
like that kind of hell that they

1373
01:22:52,100 --> 01:22:55,200
went through together because I 
feel like a lot. 

1374
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:59,500
I mean, I don't I don't think 
everyone goes through that kind 

1375
01:22:59,500 --> 01:23:05,300
of like drug addiction. 
But I do think all relationships

1376
01:23:05,300 --> 01:23:11,100
probably do have hard times. 
Yeah, I do. 

1377
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:13,300
I mean that's what everybody 
says. 

1378
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:16,000
Yeah marriage that's treatment 
is. 

1379
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,500
What's more important to you? 
Do you want to save someone? 

1380
01:23:19,500 --> 01:23:25,000
Ever or in tough through it or 
do you want to break up? 

1381
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:27,200
You know, that this isn't people
off to make. 

1382
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:33,700
Yeah, really sad thing to is a 
month after Johnny passed away. 

1383
01:23:34,100 --> 01:23:38,700
Actually June's daughter Rosie, 
her middle daughter or middle 

1384
01:23:38,700 --> 01:23:42,500
child had passed away from an 
accidental carbon monoxide 

1385
01:23:42,500 --> 01:23:44,200
poisoning, what do you think 
her? 

1386
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:49,300
And her boyfriend were like in a
bus but and it's crazy. 

1387
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:53,900
See ya and they had died from 
like the exhaustion of bus. 

1388
01:23:53,900 --> 01:23:56,200
Yeah. 
I like it was a school bus that 

1389
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:59,400
like what they were in other 
people on it? 

1390
01:23:59,500 --> 01:24:01,000
No, it's there. 
Just the two of them. 

1391
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,100
She was like, found dead. 
Just like Chad. 

1392
01:24:03,100 --> 01:24:07,600
So the three of them were all 
buried together in a garden and 

1393
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:13,900
Hendersonville and see. 
Yeah yeah that is that is I 

1394
01:24:13,900 --> 01:24:16,600
don't know in a weird way. 
Very sweet to me that they died,

1395
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:19,300
not the daughter but that Johnny
and June died. 

1396
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:23,500
So close together. 
Yeah, I know, they really to 

1397
01:24:23,500 --> 01:24:26,500
have to be a part for that long,
but yeah, that's the story of 

1398
01:24:26,500 --> 01:24:30,800
Johnny and June. 
Wow, thank you Mel for telling 

1399
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,600
your stories way. 
I can't believe it was like that

1400
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:39,000
gonna turn our, and okay, it's 
pretty, nor some bad things to 

1401
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:40,300
cut out. 
Yeah, that's true. 

1402
01:24:40,300 --> 01:24:44,400
Yeah, I probably will be less 
odds if they get back together. 

1403
01:24:44,500 --> 01:24:47,600
I think the heaven 100% together
and have them. 

1404
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:49,100
Yeah. 
And oh my gosh. 

1405
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:51,700
That interview that was like his
last interview. 

1406
01:24:51,700 --> 01:24:55,700
He literally said my time on 
Earth is ending. 

1407
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:58,700
Yeah. 
Like knew he was gonna die and 

1408
01:24:58,700 --> 01:25:05,300
he said that that he just hopes 
that he goes to heaven and yeah,

1409
01:25:05,300 --> 01:25:06,900
they were really big. 
Yeah. 

1410
01:25:06,900 --> 01:25:09,500
Believers and Faith Like that's 
something that they really 

1411
01:25:09,500 --> 01:25:14,000
shared together which I didn't 
even realize how big that was to

1412
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:17,700
them but so I hope they are in 
heaven together. 

1413
01:25:19,700 --> 01:25:21,800
Yeah, I guess you didn't go on 
that like another wife. 

1414
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:27,100
I'm sure that. 
No, that would be tough. 

1415
01:25:28,900 --> 01:25:31,000
So that didn't happen this time.
Yeah. 

1416
01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:37,400
Well should we queue up tears 
next week? 

1417
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:40,200
Oh yeah. 
Next week's. 

1418
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:44,200
If you guys guess it let us know
relationship. 

1419
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:49,200
What is next week couple, it's 
about a famous. 

1420
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:56,100
Guy. 
And his name is Guy, famous guy,

1421
01:25:56,100 --> 01:26:00,700
and probably has no, as being 
smart, like it's someone who 

1422
01:26:00,700 --> 01:26:05,900
like what those professions 
scientific scientist who's like 

1423
01:26:05,900 --> 01:26:07,600
a genius scientist. 
Okay. 

1424
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:12,300
Like that's obvious musically 
his love life. 

1425
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:15,700
Little bit incest in there. 
What? 

1426
01:26:16,900 --> 01:26:18,500
Incest? 
I don't even know what you just 

1427
01:26:18,500 --> 01:26:20,000
said. 
Should we cut that? 

1428
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:24,700
What do you say, incised with 
some incest? 

1429
01:26:24,700 --> 01:26:30,600
In their cousin cousin? 
It's about a smart scientist 

1430
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:35,000
that you guys know in history 
and it's about his love life, 

1431
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:39,300
his marriage. 
And yeah, people like don't talk

1432
01:26:39,300 --> 01:26:43,100
about this guy like he people 
talking about in this way. 

1433
01:26:43,100 --> 01:26:46,100
And this way people talk about 
him as, you know, being smart 

1434
01:26:46,100 --> 01:26:50,800
and theories, they don't talk 
about him, just Kind of being a 

1435
01:26:50,808 --> 01:26:53,100
little fuck-boy. 
So wow. 

1436
01:26:55,600 --> 01:27:01,700
Wow, it could be several. 
People could be many people. 

1437
01:27:01,700 --> 01:27:09,000
Yeah, because one obvious guy 
every week, we do a little 

1438
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:12,400
question on our Instagram asking
people to guess what the next 

1439
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:15,600
couple is. 
Yeah, and if you guys have an 

1440
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:19,900
inkling, you think, you know who
this is, go, guess it? 

1441
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:24,100
We usually ask every Monday 
night. 

1442
01:27:24,100 --> 01:27:25,500
Yeah. 
Your Monday during the day at 

1443
01:27:25,500 --> 01:27:28,700
some point I have to make the 
one for this one is. 

1444
01:27:29,900 --> 01:27:31,800
Yeah. 
I don't know if anyone's gonna 

1445
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:34,900
get it. 
Done it. 

1446
01:27:34,900 --> 01:27:37,400
Oh well, this isn't the future. 
So I was like it's for the Zoe 

1447
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:39,100
and Benoit. 
Yeah. 

1448
01:27:39,300 --> 01:27:41,200
I'm always impressed by people 
who do get it. 

1449
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:43,200
I know. 
All right and Eminem won. 

1450
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:46,100
Everybody got that shocked. 
I couldn't believe it and then 

1451
01:27:46,100 --> 01:27:47,900
nobody. 
I feel like only one person 

1452
01:27:47,900 --> 01:27:51,600
guest who was before that At 
Mila and Ashton. 

1453
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,200
Oh, yeah. 
I was so small tires and guess 

1454
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:57,100
that one isn't that weird? 
Yeah. 

1455
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:02,100
Wow. 
Sometimes they are kind of hard.

1456
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:07,100
They are tricky. 
Yeah I love I love the guessing.

1457
01:28:07,100 --> 01:28:10,900
Hmm, I wish that we could give 
people prizes for guessing hers 

1458
01:28:11,300 --> 01:28:15,200
but guys um maybe if this 
podcast becomes bigger, we can 

1459
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:17,500
give out prizes, maybe we can 
register. 

1460
01:28:17,500 --> 01:28:21,500
What do you think about it? 
We can't do that now. 

1461
01:28:21,500 --> 01:28:28,200
But yeah right if you like this 
podcast tell your cousin or 

1462
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:30,400
whoever That you like the 
podcast. 

1463
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:32,700
Thanks for listening.