Are you lonesome tonight? Do you miss me tonight?
Are you sorry we dressed apart? Does your man?
We're back. Hi guys.
Thanks for joining us again on Significant Lovers.
This is a really fun episode. We're going back to the 2000s.
But before you begin, I am Mel. And I'm Kel.
We are two cousins, and. Yup, and we're so happy to be
here. We podcast about true love
stories for anyone who feels like love comes easiest to
anyone else. This is not our own word.
Someone else came up with this. This is the podcast for you.
Because it doesn't. Even for the rich and famous,
relationships are really hard. They are, it's true.
And even the one we're talking about today, these beautiful,
gorgeous young starlets from the early 2000s.
Even they had to deal with hardship and uncertainty.
But yeah, this is our 70th episode.
Wow. Oh my God, I know.
Can't believe we're here. Oh my gosh, it's flown by, I
feel like. I've been.
I don't know why I've been waiting for the 70s.
I knew we were going to make it and I I just felt like that was
going to be when we were like really in the swing of things.
I don't. Know Wow, we covered so many
couples. I know I still remember all the
episodes at this point. Me too.
I mean somebody. Know you might start to.
Forget the other day, though. I was like, huh, I kind of want
to cover. Don't be offended.
But I was like, I kind of want to cover the Obamas.
And then I was like, wait a minute, we've already done that.
OK, at least you remembered right after.
No, I remembered right after. But hey, it's a compliment.
That was such a good episode. So anyway, anyway, today's
episode is something I'm really excited about, and I do think
it's going to be a long one. So Mel, if you have to go to the
bathroom at some point or something, let me know.
But. But before we get into the
episode, you know, on the podcast we've talked a lot about
how mental health can affect relationships and we recently
learned of an organization that is doing a lot of important work
to combat OCD in relationships. Yeah, it's called no CD.
And you know, OCD is more than what you see on TV and in the
movies. If you imagine having unwanted
thoughts about your relationship stuck in your head all day, no
matter how hard you try to make them go away, that's
relationship OCD, which I feel like is a less known about type
of OCD, but it comes with unrelenting intrusive images,
thoughts and urges about your partner, a loved one.
And breaking the OCD cycle takes effective treatment.
You can go to no CD, so that's NOCD dot com to get evidence
based treatment. And on no CD you can book a call
with a face to face licensed therapist.
And no CD is sponsored by most insurance companies.
So yeah, it's a really cool organization that I feel like is
pretty relevant to our show and anybody that's struggling with a
breakup. If you know someone, a loved one
that is maybe having issues with relationship OCD, then you
should tell them about no CD. Yeah, we're going back to the
early 2000s to talk about Adam Brody and Rachel Bilson, the TV
show The OC. And I wanted to set the stage
for this time period. I mean, we've talked about it
before, but I don't know, I just wanted to set the scene.
And so I asked our patrons on Patreon, what's the first piece
of pop culture you think of when you hear early 2000s?
Because this is, you know, where Adam and Rachel, we're living at
the time where their story takes place.
And I want to read some of them and I feel like this is actually
good ideas for our show. Just to hear what people say.
We got a lot of responses, like, holy crap, I think this is the
most I've ever seen from these questions we've done.
But Zoe said Justin and Britney's matching denim.
Full denim fits. Sarah said Perez Hilton Sunny
said the toxic music video. Britney Spears, Carrie said.
Avril Lavigne, Layla said. Britney Spears, everything, Lo
said. Britney Spears.
Claire said. Britney Spears, Megan said I'm a
slave for you. Britney Spears music video,
Yeah, Britney Spears for sure. Yeah, it's the early 2000s.
Britney, I think this is my friend from real life, Britney
said. iPods and George D Bush getting a shoe thrown at him.
Jane said Brangelina. We've covered them.
The simple life, Livestrong bracelets, Britney kissing
Madonna. Yes, Muna Muna had a really nice
description. Said silver and white eyeliner
with a lot of metallic trimming on clothes.
Also neon see through inflatables, true chairs,
phones. I guess those are the see
through neon things. Also bedazzling all our iPods
and phones, Jane said. Also said the Delia's catalog.
Yes, I loved the Delia's. I loved Julius.
Did that still exist? No, I don't think so.
But then again, I stopped going, so I probably contributed
contributed to their demise. Well, maybe you stopped going
because they disappeared. Oh yeah, maybe.
Maybe that's why the Lindsay Lohan, Hilary Duff, Aaron Carter
love triangle suggested by Maureen.
But she also said Frankie Muniz the dump.
I don't know if I can read all of these.
Oh wait, we're almost at the end.
Maggie Licious said the dump him shirt.
The party girl era Brangelina. Reality shows.
Guys, I said one thing. Just kidding.
Low rise jeans. Flats, Any Britney VMA
performance. Side bangs in Myspace.
The pic of Justin and Britney in all denim.
Yes, Britney Victoria said. Genie in a bottle.
A lot. Of responses.
And Yannick, I know this is a lot.
And Yannica said for sure, Britney Spears.
But also speaking from a perspective, from someone living
in Germany, the music musician Ben with his song Engel.
I hope I'm saying that right. I still love it so much.
I'll have to look that up. And all the weird shows on MTV,
like Next Date, My Mom Exposed. I love New York.
The simple life, you name it. I watched.
I watched it. Oh.
Yeah. Do you remember being at
Grandpa's house and watching MTV in the den?
Yeah, I I think I do. I I used to watch all those
trashy shows like Next And yeah, I'm torrential control.
Yeah, I was just talking about that the other day with my
friend Sarah. Oh.
My Super Sweet 16. Yeah.
Love that sweet. 16 cribs, yeah, yeah.
We loved in the 2000s Hilary Duff and Avril Lavigne.
I know. JoJo.
Nobody said the OCS, so maybe I should just pack it up and.
I think of, like, early Degrassi.
Yeah, true. So early 2000s.
I know the next Gen., but yeah, the.
Researching this episode really brought me back.
My friends and I watched The OC in high school.
It's so we were a little too young to watch this show 'cause
it was on in 2003 and I was in 3rd grade, but I watched it in
high school on DVD box set. And I'm going to get into the
facts and everything, but I just remembered like I just unlocked
a memory. My friend Maddie and I at lunch
because the cafeteria was so loud.
We everyone talking whatever. We didn't think anybody would
hear us. So we would just at the top of
our lungs belt the OC theme song which is like California,
California. And then we would scream the
here we come like at the top of our lungs and my our other
friends would get so embarrassed and be like, what are you doing?
Stop it. We did it all the time.
That's so. Funny, Yeah, California.
So yeah, those. See, it only ran for Four
Seasons. Most people agree that at least
one or two of those seasons were not good at all, and even the
creators of the show admit it. But it was still a hugely
influential show. I mean, I feel like there's a
lot of shows like that, like Freaks and Geeks and my
so-called Life. Like they don't run that long,
but they still make a big splash in, yeah, pop culture and the
OC. It was notable for a couple
reasons, like first of all that area Orange County was just
called OC before and then after the show people started calling
it the OC. Oh.
Just crazy. I know it was the first show.
Maybe, I don't know. It was the very first but first
show to like really incorporate music specifically like music by
lesser known bands and indie musicians.
And it had the same that, you know, music supervisor.
We've talked about Alex Patsavas who did Grey's Anatomy and
Gossip Girl, Twilight and really made like ATV show a place to
discover music, which was like such a thing I think in the
2000s and twenty 10s. And even still, I think I feel
like it kind of started here and also after the OC inspired shows
like Real Housewives of OC, Laguna Beach and then The Hills,
because OC has these characters like Seth Cohen, who's played by
Adam Brody, who's like this hipster nerd guy with them.
It also has like the opposite with these glitzy housewives.
So I don't know. Just like it was an influential
show and I'm excited to be revisiting it to talk about
their the stars that dated Adam Brody and Rachel Bilson.
I'm excited to hear it. I never watched The OC all the
way through, but I've seen enough episodes to get the gist
of it. And like, I know their
characters from the show. I really like Rachel Bilson.
I, you know, kind of had a guilty pleasure for her show.
The Hearted Dixie. I thought it was so cute and
she's just adorable. And I, Adam Brody, I fell in
love with his character who is a short lived character but on
Gilmore Girls. And honestly, I'm a little mad
at the OC because they took him away from Gilmore Girls and his
character was just probably the best guy in the show.
But. I watched a bunch of clips,
maybe not all of his scenes, but I watched a lot of his scenes on
YouTube to see what he was like on Gilmore Girls, and he did
seem pretty similar to Seth, actually.
Yeah. How did they write him off
though? Spoiler.
That he, like, went to college across the country.
So did him. And what was who was he dating?
He dated Lane and they just had such a cute relationship.
They broke up. So did they break up?
Yeah, broke up. Like off screen and it was just
so upsetting because they had such a good build up to their
relationship. He literally her mother on the
show was really super Christian and really strict.
So he would perform like Christian music at all their
family functions and. That's sad.
Weren't we talking about this in our group message the other day
about how TV's so imperfect that way, like the actors, can just
influence the story like if they leave?
Or I know it stinks out become. Pregnant or something?
They need more of like ironclad contracts with actors.
We need to lock them in there. Yeah, I know that will come up
later in the episode for sure. And I'm definitely going to talk
a lot about the OCI. Hope that's OK.
But they dated just during though, see, like within the
show, they didn't date after or anything.
So I know. So it's really entrenched in
that. But I wanted to do something
kind of weird. We don't usually do this, but I
wanted to play a clip from the show that has Rachel Bilson and
Adam Brody in it as their characters.
Seth Conan, Summer Roberts. I know usually we just have like
interviews of the real people. Obviously they're acting here,
so this isn't who they are, but I just want to show like how
they were and why people loved them.
So this is, again, if you like, If you think you're going to
watch it and that if season one stuff is like a spoiler to you,
then maybe Fast forward a couple minutes.
But this takes away in season one after Seth and Summer have
slept together for the first time.
And I don't even think they're like officially boyfriend and
girlfriend or anything. But they that happened and then
they talk about it. And this is the second clip I
sent you, Mel Cohen. Summer.
Hey. Hey.
No. The other night when we had sex,
yeah, you weren't the only virgin in the room.
There's someone else in the room.
Like, like the only nuts. Me, Chagas, I'm a virgin or I
was a virgin? Why didn't you tell me?
I don't know what I guess I felt like I had this reputation to
uphold and I figured you'd think less of me or something.
No, are you kidding? Not at all.
I'm just. I'm shocked.
God, never in a million years. I think that you of all people,
not the, that is not what's important here.
This was a huge moment in both our lives.
We just blew past it. Really, really quickly.
Hey, not that quickly. Pretty quickly, yes.
And it was a big deal. I think that it should have been
special and we rushed it. What if we were to slow it down
a little bit? Maybe start from the beginning?
What? Do you mean
you are so? Cheesy Cowan.
Come on, I'm sweeping you off your feet.
Come on, the sad part is you kind of are.
That was so cute. I don't know.
How old are they supposed to be? Like, I never get these teen
shows where they're embarrassed about being a virgin.
Like, when would you have lost your Virginia?
I know, 1314. I know this is the age when
you're supposed to be or not the age when you're supposed to.
But I know. I think, OK, I think they're.
Supposed to be juniors, but then a really weird thing happens
where season 2, you think that they would have been ending high
school, but then they don't. And then season 3, they're still
in high school. So then retroactively, you think
that season one maybe they were sophomores?
Oh, they always do that on TV. Which makes no sense, I know.
Like That 70s Show. There's like seven seasons and
there's like a Thanksgiving episode and Christmas every
season, but the show starts with 1976 or something.
So how did this take place over four years?
I hate that CTV. It's just a mess sometimes.
They just can't keep it together.
There's like too many people working on it.
Yeah, it's not perfect. Too much personnel changes.
Yeah, I It's always bugged me with a lot of like CW type of
shows that it almost seems like in the later seasons.
It sometimes seems like the staff writers didn't watch the
earlier episodes or. Something I know, I feel like
they they really should hold themselves to a higher standard.
Like if you set a rule in ATV show, I think you have to stick
to it. Like how they changed Uncle
Jesse's last name in full house. You can't do that.
Oh my God. I know you.
Established. They have to.
There should be like a book somewhere in the writers room.
Exactly. OK Everybody's family.
Like, yeah, How What's their mom's name?
You know, like we need to remember everybody's details
because it's so annoying how they get it wrong.
This is a good question that we should ask the audience.
Like what are TV continuity errors or things that always
bothered you from a TV show? Again, not to go back to that
70s Show, but in the early seasons Donna had a sister and
then later on she's an only child.
Just so I hate when she was. Well, that's an issue on the OC.
On the OC as well, Adam's character Seth, his mom the
dates and mom and dad the dates of like how old they are make
absolutely no sense. Like she she supposedly like
went to school and did all this, but then she has her 40th
birthday. So then it's like, wait a
second, how is she like the mother of an 18 year old?
Like, it's just it just doesn't. Make sense?
That makes no sense that she would have had to be a Teen Mom.
Yeah. Shows always do that.
Teen shows always do that. I want their parents to be
really young for some reason. I remember in Hannah Montana,
Billy Ray, his character turned 40 in one episode.
Like what? He's been in his 30s this whole
time, raising a teenage pop star.
I don't think so, yeah. Yeah, we should ask people that
because it drives me crazy. And I'm sure people will point
out ones that I've never even thought of.
That's Seth and somewhere. But those aren't real people.
Who is Rachel Bilson and Adam Brody?
If I had to describe this couple in three words, I chose
California. Have to Jealous?
Oh. And domestic?
OK. I put the Dark One in the middle
this time. OK, Rachel Bilson.
Rachel Sarah Bilson. As we said, she's known for
playing Summer on OC and Heart of Dixie and couple other films
and TV projects. She, in case you have no idea
what she looks like, she's a short brunette with brown eyes.
She is pretty upbeat, seems silly, She's seemingly forgetful
person. She's into fashion, but she also
seems pretty down to earth to me.
I I don't know if that's a correct assessment, but that's
just what I'm getting. She was born August 25th, 1981
in Los Angeles. She is the daughter of Janice
Dango, a therapist, and her father, Danny Bilson, a film
writer, director and producer. Oh, Nepo.
Yep, she's in the bit. I mean, he's in the business.
And it's funny, he actually created the 1990 TV show The
Flash, which is based on the DC Comics, and he's also written
some comic books, which is so such as a coincidence because
Seth Cohen, her love interest and Adam Brody's character on
OC, is a huge comic book nerd. So it's just interesting that
her dad seemingly is a comic book nerd too.
And her dad has also written scripts for video games.
And guess what? What he helped create The Sims.
I knew you were going to say that as soon as you said what?
Oh my God. That's, like, the only video
game we ever. Played that.
That is, besides like Mario Kart but The Sims.
I have been in such a mood to play The Sims lately.
Me. Too.
That's such a sign. Well, you know, I never got The
Sims 4, but recently I've been considering it well.
But when is the? God knows I don't even know
timing. Out.
I know. That's the thing.
When I get into The Sims, I don't just play a little.
I have to play all night long. I have to play until I nearly
pee my pants because I'm too lazy to get up.
It takes over your life. I know it's 3:00 AM and I'm
still playing it. I think he only helped with Sims
one, but we played it. You know, we we did it.
That's an early 2000s. Thing.
Yeah. What an influence on our lives.
I know. Thank you, Danny Bilson.
And guess what? His father was a director.
He directed shows like Bewitched and Get Smart.
So get Smart. So she's a third generation?
Hollywood professional We should make that a part of our drinking
game. Take a drink every time someone,
yes someone's parents, is in the business.
Yeah, I mean, I feel like, you know, they all still had to work
hard, I think. But, you know, they definitely
had connections, Yeah, that other people don't.
They say the hardest part is getting your foot in the door,
so. Yeah, Yep, they do.
She has an older brother. Her mother is Catholic and her
father's Jewish, so she grew up in a Christmica household just
like the OC and Rachel's parents got divorced when she was nine
years old and her dad remarried 7 years later and had two more
daughters with his second wife. So she has two younger sisters
too. For some reason I feel creepy,
like if she listened to this I'd feel so creepy being like yeah,
when you got remarried 7 years later.
I know all of this. I just looked at his Wikipedia
and saw like when he married the other wife.
But I read in a news article that when Rachel was 16, she's
apparently hanging out with the wrong crowd and an unsuitable
boyfriend and she was in a horrific car accident with her
friends and boyfriend. She said I was with my
girlfriend and these two guys driving down the Pacific Coast
Highway. We were going really fast and we
were involved in a head on collision with a truck.
We were in a tiny car and it was pretty bad crash.
They had to cut us out and I was in a coma for a few days.
The yeah, the crash ended that relationship, which is a good
thing. Oh my God, that is.
Awful. I couldn't believe she's.
Lucky that she's here. I know.
Seriously, that's amazing. She's and I've that.
Yeah I've read that because of her injury and the coma that she
has kind of memory problems which would explain a lot
because OK, in the present day, in the recent present time, she
and her Co star from the OC, Melinda Clark, they created a OC
rewatch podcast called Welcome to the OC Bitches.
And I listen to it and Rachel doesn't remember anything from
the OC like pretty much nothing. Like every time they talk about
an episode she she it's kind of, I feel bad like she had this car
accident. Like it seems like it's a real
problem but it's a little frustrating as a listener
because you want to hear about you know behind the scenes
stories and she just doesn't remember anything.
Oh my. Gosh.
I like that. I know that.
Would be kind of sad to like forget such.
I know huge. Chunks of your life, especially
when you're in your young 20s. Yeah, I wish that she mentioned
it on the podcast because I didn't know that when I was
listening to the podcast I was a little bit like, jeez, does she
just not care? Like, why doesn't she remember
anything but? Yeah, that would explain.
It's probably because of that. Yeah, that must be so weird.
Does she remember like the feelings?
She, I mean, she does remember some things and it seems like
she remem OK, this is me just this is me speculating and
analyzing. But she seems to remember a lot
of things with Adam Brody, so I feel like it's just the
emotional thing she remembers. And then it seems like the work
she doesn't remember that well. Which makes sense.
I mean, honestly, I can't. I don't remember things from
like my retail job 10 years ago. That's true.
That's significant. But if I couldn't take you back
to like, a day when I had a certain task or something and I
had to do it like, yeah, when we were an actor, in a way, it's
kind of just your job. And TV, especially these network
TV shows of the early 2000s, they had so many episodes.
They were working every day for most of the year.
Like, I can understand why you wouldn't remember specific days,
because they could all just blur together.
Yeah, exactly. During high school, she did
theater. Rami Malek actually went to her
school and acted with her, and they were friends.
Oh, wow. And it's kind of funny because
in the present she, she's talked about this, She apparently
posted an old picture of her, Rami Malek, on Instagram, and he
asked her to take it down. What's Why I don't?
I think he just didn't like how he looked or something.
Wait, I OK. I feel like I would never do
that. Like people have attacked me and
hid. I know this.
Before. I would still never say can you
please remove this because if someone did that to me I would
like be mortified. I don't know.
I know I would like cry I. Would feel so bad because it's
like I'm posting it because I'm so proud of the fact that I know
you. And you want me to remove?
It I know that's kind of vain of him.
I know, I'm sure the. Picture is still online I kind
of want. To look it up.
Yeah, I bet it. That's funny.
So she told people that. Yeah, I don't know why that's.
So funny. Yeah, it's.
Hey, she's. Like, kind of a big mouth she
does. Oh, I guess he.
Was a little because like also. On He's a little chubby.
He's chubby. Yeah, but hey, come on.
Do you think I didn't even look at the picture?
Do you think it's OK? Or do you think like she should
have known better? No, I mean, he's chubby and in
like a cute way. It's just he's younger.
He looks honestly. Yeah, I mean.
Different. Maybe he didn't want people to
know that he used to be a little chubby.
Maybe. Who cares?
Like, come on. I know for the OC she attended
Community College in San Diego while pursuing acting, but she
only did a semester. Take a drink.
She appeared in several
commercials and had one episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and
was on the show 8 Simple Rules for Dating My Teenage Daughter.
So just a couple little things. And then she learned the role of
the bitchy popular high school girl Summer Roberts on The OC,
which first aired in 2003. Her character was initially just
supposed to be a supporting role.
I think in the first episode she only has like 2 lines or
something. But then she became a series
regular as her romance with Seth Cohen, played by Adam Brody,
became a significant plot. OK, who's Adam Brody?
Oh guys, he has always been one of my celebrity crushes so much.
I hope my boyfriend isn't listening to this, huh?
Adam. Jared Brody is his full name.
He's on the OC, but he's also been in things like Mr. and Mrs.
Smith in the land of women. Mel, I feel like we need to
watch that someday. Yeah, I think you have seen it.
It's I have, but it was. I was like in middle school or
something or high school. It was like a wicked long time
ago. Kristen Stewart and Meg Ryan,
that's and Adam Brody. It's like perfect for us.
It's crazy. Jennifer's Body.
He was also recently in promising young woman and he's
on the show. Fleshman is in trouble, which
I've heard is good. And so, yeah, you guys might
have seen him around. He's also been in several bands
and writes screenplays and songs in his free time.
Adam is a very smart, aleck wise guy type of guy and he
definitely brought a lot of that to Seth.
He's a fast talker and he's very quick to make a joke and sort of
unlike Seth though, at least when he was young, I'm not sure
if he's like this still, but he was very confident and self
assured in his early 20s, Yeah. And I think today he seems a
little more subdued and kind of embarrassed about his past self.
But yeah, he seems very confident.
I mean, he's such a good. Looking guy I can see why he I
know then. Yeah, but he's he's really not
this like meek, shy, nervous guy, you would think because of
Seth Cohen. And he seems like A, at least at
this time period, he seemed really cool, like almost too
cool, like intimidating, you know, like he knows all the
obscure bands and movies and he's really confident and makes
jokes. And I don't know, that's that's
Adam Brody. He was born December 15th, 1979
in San Diego, CA. His mother, Valerie, was a
graphic artist and his dad, Mark Allen Brody, was an attorney.
And he has two younger brothers, Sean and Matthew.
Mel has a brother Sean, his family's Jewish, which is like
Seth Cohen and Rachel have to wish.
And he had a bar mitzvah, apparently, but against his
will. And in school, I guess Adam
received poor grades and was just really into surfing.
Surfing was like his life. And it's funny, I listened to an
episode on Pod Crushed. This was like a month or two
ago, Penn Badgley's podcast, and he had Adam Brody on and it was
kind of crazy because they were like, I feel like we're the same
person because Penn Badgley was on Gossip Girl and that's
created by the same people that created The OC.
And both Seth and Penn's character, OK, all the names are
confusing me. The character Seth Cohen and the
character Dan Humphrey, they are kind of similar.
They're like bookish, shy, nerdy, whatever.
And they were just like, it's crazy to be talking to you.
Like, I feel like we're the same person.
They said they're both versions of Josh Schwartz, the, like, the
TV creator. And OK, then it gets crazier
because Dan OK, the names are confusing me.
Penn Badgley's dated. You guys get what I'm saying?
Penn Badgley dated. Blair Waldorf, well, character
Blair, played by Leighton Meester, who's now married to
Adam Brody. Yes, dated.
And she was like the bitchy girl.
She was the bitchy girl, which is kind of like Rachel's
character. Yeah.
He like the alternate universe. He basically married the
alternate universe girl of his own show.
Yeah, literally The New York version, The New York version of
his show, OK, that was, like, hard to get out.
Yeah. But on that podcast Adam was
talking about, for whatever reason, he went to kind of a bad
high school or bad middle school and that there were a lot,
there's a lot of violence and fighting.
And that one of his friends actually died in high school.
I think he went overdosed and just sounds like he was in kind
of a like skins euphoria type of like kind of scary situations.
It sounded like he was kind of scared and there was a lot of
people being beaten up and I don't, I don't know why, but
that was like what he described as his youth but also having fun
surfing. And I don't know, it just seems
like he wasn't like taking school that seriously or
anything, just like Rachel he, he attended Community College.
He did it for one year and then he dropped out at age 19 and he
moved to Hollywood to become an actor.
And in Hollywood he worked as a Blockbuster video clerk.
He had a couple small roles and then he had a reoccurring role
in Gilmore Girls, as we said. And then in 2003, he was cast in
his breakout role as Seth Cohen on The OC.
And there's been a lot of talk about how when he auditioned he
came in and he was a post audition for Seth, but he read
for Ryan, the other male lead. And then he like ad libbed his
lines and was obnoxious and disrespectful to the writing.
And Josh Schwartz, the creator was like pissed and didn't like
him and thought he was arrogant. But then the casting director
for some reason really liked him and brought him back and this
time he actually read his lines and then the creators like Josh
and Stephanie Savage thought he was amazing and cast him.
So right from the beginning he was like a little bit of a know
it all and smart Alec. And from the beginning too, he
was skeptical about being on a high school show 'cause he was
already in his early 20s. But he thought the script was
good, so he signed on to the OC and that's where he met Rachel
Bilson. But yeah.
Apparently, they already knew each other.
Is that a drink? It's not, but we could make it
1. How did they know each other?
They already knew. Each other.
So my sister Shannon got this book for Christmas calls.
Welcome to the OC, The Oral History.
And I skimmed through it and just took pictures of everything
that I thought was relevant. And so I got this from this
book. Rachel said I knew Brody before
because he had casually dated one of my friends.
Casually. I think I thought he was cute
and funny, but he was dating my friend and he was around, and I
don't know if I thought much beyond that.
I was dating someone when we started the show, so it wasn't
immediately. Oh, I like this guy that grew
into itself. But I always thought he was cool
and funny. I just thought he was a little
bit of a Dick at times. But that's just his sense of
humor before I really knew him. And then I realized that that
was just his charm. Yeah, that is interesting.
I mean she, she emphasizes. Like casually?
Yeah, I I take her at her word. I mean, I have some friends who
have dated people and it's like they don't even really remember
them and it's no big deal, but depends depends on how much it
meant to the friend. Yeah, I know.
I'm so curious now. I you never know.
The friend might have been like it's mine, or the friend might
have been like, what the fuck? I want to have went on two dates
with a guy. This might sound terrible and I
didn't really feel a connection, but I was like kind of could
picture him with my friend and so I like, rejected him.
But I said, you know what? I actually think he'd be a great
match for one of my best friends.
And I set them up and they went on a couple of dates, didn't go
anywhere but like it was like. Why would that be bad?
That. That's awesome.
I is it. I think that's what you should
do. Yeah, I know exactly.
I was like, you know, you're a really great guy.
I think, like, honestly, I could picture you dating one of my
good friends. You seem to have fun.
I think some people, I think some people might take that
offensive like they're like, no, I want to date you.
You must really not like me if you're trying to set me up, but
it should be a compliment if you think someone's good enough to
date your friend. Yeah, no, I feel like I've read
that, I don't know, advice in magazines before or something
where they're like, set them up with your friend.
Like maybe that was the deal with.
I mean, obviously they would have gotten the chance to get to
know each other really well, playing love interest on the TV
show. And if your friend just, you
know, went on a couple dates with him a couple like couple
years ago, he really cares, especially if they're totally
moved on. But yeah, maybe the friend was
like, go for it. Hopefully, yeah.
And so she was talking about how he was kind of a Dick.
But that's just a sense of humor.
And apparently before they really knew each other, because
on, you know, at the beginning of the show, she she was a minor
character, she only had a couple lines, Adam joked to her on on
the set. Well, you're lower on the totem
pole than me. Oh my God.
And I know which like, technically, yeah, that is true.
But people usually don't say stuff like that.
Yeah. So that's just an example of his
sense of humor. And it's kind of weird.
There's actually, it's it was like a known thing that Adam had
this joking asshole way about him, but it was just a joke.
And as a promotion for the show, they did like this segment on
MTV about The OC and there's this segment that's just about
Adam Brody and how he's a Dick and I'm going to play a clip.
Glamorous and just a regular jeans and AT shirt kind of get
out. I think he's about ready to
leave, yeah. I'll call you Girl Slayer, all
right. Good times.
Once Adam arrives to work on his scooter, he gets a shave, some
makeup and then deals with wardrobe problems.
I like it, but it's a little, it's a little pokey in the neck
and I don't know if that if we can do something with that.
Hey, I got you your. Child.
Oh awesome. Thanks a lot.
I ordered a grand. The man knows what he wants, and
apparently he doesn't like being interrupted while he's trying to
get it. Yeah dude, if like you didn't
have a boyfriend. Or even if you did and you
didn't want. To tell him, I told.
You that I don't think. Can I talk to you?
Can I? Recheck your marks over here.
Please dude, check this Toby. Well, it can't all be fun and
games. He had to take a break to
rehearse a scene with Rachel Bilson.
You are extorting the county, exposing the company to Huge No.
Is that how you're going to do it?
No, that's fine. I just no, no, no, it's good.
It's good. It's It's getting there.
I just didn't know. OK, great.
Now I know. Let's do it again.
OK, you were extorting the county, exposing the company.
There's just this thing you're doing with your eye and it's
it's just, it's fine, but it's just it looks a little lazy.
Come on, America's watching. Get in the game.
All right, let's go again. You were extorting the county,
exposing the company. I'm good, thanks.
But every day must come to an end and Adam does it with style.
It says it's not a cow, that's a chicken.
Anyways, I hope I didn't bore you guys too much.
I hope you had a good time. I hope it wasn't too anti
climactic. And thanks for checking us out.
I feel like I knew a lot of guys like him in high school who were
just a ham and always, yeah, yeah, a lot of those things were
visual. But the Chai latte, he threw it
away. He pushed this man in a pool.
He's like, it starts. He's in a bathtub getting his
nails buffed by someone. Yeah, someone gives him a latte
and he throws it across the parking lot.
It's obviously a joke, but it seems like it there was some
truth to it that he actually did joke around like that.
And then they had the idea to, I don't know, make a skit about
it. And it's OK.
It's interesting because there was this part in that video
where there's this girl. She was on the OC.
She played a girl named Anna. The actress's name is Samira.
He says, like if you don't have, if you didn't have a boyfriend,
we could blah blah blah. And she says, I told you that's
not a good idea. It's good because that's going
to come up later. Actually.
There's like a real thing with that here, that it's in this
little I know. Wait, who is that girl that he's
like talking to? So she she was on the OC as kind
of a minor role or like a reoccurring star.
She played Anna and Seth. Cohen was in kind of a love
triangle with her and Rachel's character.
Oh my God. And so in this little bit, she
is a boyfriend, but like, he's still trying to get with her.
OK. Wow.
OK, and she did in real life. And I guess I'll just say it
now, but it'll come up later that that Rachel was actually
jealous of her, I guess. So.
There was like stuff going on. And at that point in this clip,
were Rachel and Seth dating? I don't think so.
I'm sorry, not Seth. Adam Yeah, I know.
Yeah, yeah, we can call them entertained, Rachel.
Slash summer, Adam, Slash said. Yeah, so I just thought that was
funny about meeting Rachel Bilson.
Adam said she was super funny, super loose.
Obviously we got along very well, so just very comfortable.
I think the dynamic was fun. I knew her only a little before.
My first strong memory of her is shooting an early episode,
sitting next to each other and talking for a while.
And she showed me her iPod and explained to me what it was and
how to work it. Yeah, they didn't date right
away and she said she was dating somebody else initially.
I don't know what happened to that relationship.
I guess it just ended naturally. And Adam said very early on,
maybe two or three weeks after the show premiered, I remember
someone grabbing me and hooking up with me.
And right after, she said, welcome to Hollywood.
That could seem gross, but I remember it being very innocent
and joyful and to never have been repeated.
That was the only time I've heard that she was older than
me. So sounds like he was like
having fun. And the ladies want him.
Yeah, the ladies want him. They really do.
And interestingly he so he was in a band at this time and Jonah
Hill played keyboards in it briefly.
And I know so random. And Adam said that because of
the show they actually attracted people and could like sell out
shows because people wanted to see Seth Cohen in a band.
And Rachel has said just about the OC and doing with him.
She said I had to attribute all my confidence as an actor and
doing scenes and everything else to Brody.
He really taught me how to do it and it was the best lesson.
Working with him was a gift because of how much confidence
he gave me. Just believing and doing what
you want to do and really going for it.
And it was always fun doing a scene with him.
So that's her like today saying that.
But she has said that many times that like she owes everything to
him for her acting, which is a lot.
But then when did when did they start dating?
Like when did the feelings start?
Rachel said. I remember she she has shared a
lot about this, she shared a lot in that book and she has shared
a lot on the podcast, she said. I remember after shooting the
scene where I kiss him, which by the way is season one, episode
6, for anybody wondering, The scene where I kissed him, I
remember thinking, do I like Adam?
And I remember thinking after work because I feel like it was
the last scene I shot that day being like, wait, do I like
Adam? That's when those wheels started
turning. Oh, we've all had those moments
when we're like, wait a minute, do I like this person?
Yeah, it's it's hard. Once those wheels start turning,
it is hard to turn around. Oh, and it was very hard to turn
around. Sometimes impossible.
Yeah. Almost impossible to stop.
Yeah, everybody. Everybody.
OK, maybe not everybody, but lots of people had crushes on
Adam Brody. Even the woman who played his
mom, Kelly Rowan, the actress, said that she was crushing on
him while rewatching the show. And he told GQ back then, girls
always want a hug and I'm not a very huggy person.
I'll be standing at the Grove, which is a mall in LA, and there
will be an assembly line of girls who all want an embrace
like I'm Santa. And Rachel mentioned a story
about Nikki Hilton wanting to meet him at a club.
So people were really attracted to him.
And it's just funny because on the show they act like he's this
loser. So.
Nobody likes, but everybody fell for him.
TV shows always. Do that because they'll never
cast like an actual loser for those parts.
Apparently their feelings for each other slowly grew while
filming season one, but especially so she said that she
started thinking about it episode 6.
And then she also said, especially after filming the
infamous Tijuana episode, which is episode 7, and she said it's
this weird thing, you have to kiss somebody and then you're
like, wait a minute, does this mean something?
So I don't really know, like what things happened after this.
I mean, they were all hanging out a lot.
I'm guessing going out. And I'm guessing they just, you
know, they got together, they kissed, I don't know, I don't
know what happened, But they started dating and everybody on
the set knew and seemed to think they were really cute.
Adam has told a story before about how he bought Rachel.
Now I don't really know this is in the timeline, but he bought
Rachel a Pitbull named Penny for her birthday and Rachel actually
cried because I guess she was overwhelmed and just wasn't
really expecting it and the dog was.
Way too big of a gift to get somebody I.
Know and I think the dog was really more for Adam but they
they kept Penny though so. That's a big gift.
I know on the The OC welcome to the OC Bitches Podcast, Josh
Schwartz, who is the OC creator by the way, he he was the, you
know, writer create creator of this show when he was only 26
years old. Oh.
My God, it's. Kind of crazy because they were
like in their early 20s. Yeah, they're too.
He was only like a couple years older.
Yeah. Yeah.
And people have said that this kind of because he was so young,
it was a great thing because he was able to like relate young
people so well. But also it was kind of bad
because he wanted to be like friends with the stars.
And then he would never, he would never talk to them as the
boss. And so then they became kind of
disrespectful in a way. And I feel like it led to kind
of a chaotic setting, not too crazy, but we'll get to that
that later. But Josh Schwartz has said that
Adam and Rachel are very much like an old married couple.
And she agreed. And they talked about how Adam
and Rachel would be getting the newspaper and they would go see
matinees and getting bagels. And I don't know, they just
seemed like they really quickly clicked and were having a simple
life together. But they still, they still went
out. Like I saw paparazzi videos of
them leaving a club with some other people and people on the
street were yelling oh shit, the OC and they still went out.
But she has said that she's described the relationship many
times as domesticated and how she's thankful that during this
time of being really famous she's with Adam because it
helped her stay grounded and she didn't get pulled into a lot of
the drugs and partying going on at the time in LA.
And I almost feel like I don't know if this is intentional, but
her saying that is kind of a dig at Mischa Barton, her costar,
because she hung out a lot with Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan
and all those people and everybody knew it.
And so it's interesting that Rachel has many times said,
yeah, I didn't party and stuff like that, like I was just with
Adam, so. Yeah, I mean, that would kind of
bother me if I was Mischa Barton.
It's like, oh, I was in a relationship.
So yeah, I don't know. I know they have a weird
relationship for sure. Her and Misha.
As the show went on, everybody became really tired.
The seasons were super long and the network was really pushing
them. Fox ordered 27 episodes for
season. Oh my God, that would never
happen nowadays. I know 27 shows are like never
and they were like 10 episodes. I know.
And they were 16 to 18 hour days and they burned through the plot
really fast. Like so much happened since
season one that later on, because they already did so
much, it started to get a little bit ridiculous.
You know, with the breaking up back and forth and then
introducing all these random sorry characters.
And you know, it just it's hard to get a little bit soap opera
esque because there were so many.
What else can you do? Yeah, and Rachel has talked
about this really crazy schedule.
And she said I was 21 years old and had no real
responsibilities, so it was fine.
You work all year long, essentially.
But at that age, and my boyfriend was on the show, it
was way easier for me because a lot of my life was there.
Looking back at it, it's absolutely it's absolute
insanity. I could never do that now.
And on The OC, Adam's character Seth.
As I mentioned a little bit before, he had a love triangle
with Rachel's character Summer and then this girl Anna, who is
this quirky alternative type who really Seth had a lot more in
common with Anna probably, And in season one, Rachel's
character treats him horribly and talks down to him and acts
like he's a loser that should be honored to be in her presence.
But still, he loves Rachel's character Summer, so he's in
this love triangle. And Rachel has talked about how
she had some jealousy towards the girl who played Anna who's
named Samira Armstrong. And Rachel said in the OC oral
history book, I knew SOB Samira before the show.
We were always friendly, but I think because of the storyline
and created this weird underlying competitiveness and I
feel like she had a crush on Brody.
She had a boyfriend at the time, but it did feel like sometimes
life imitates art. We were always friends and
friendly, but there was always this weird undertone and
weirdly, Samira agreed. She said there was definitely
that. Not Not necessarily a romantic
triangle going on, but it was a triangle for sure.
Like, oh, there's my friend with my other friend.
They're dating in what? In my third wheel?
But they were the cutest couple. They were so freaking cute.
Wow, I admire Rachel's honesty. I know I'm open, but yeah, I get
that she is really long hour days.
I feel like fact and fiction would kind of blur.
And if you're trying to be in your character's mindset and get
into the role, like there would, you know, be some tension that
would develop from just competitiveness over like,
honestly, I feel like if I was on ATV show when I was in a love
triangle in the show, I would want my character to be the one
that the person, yeah, true. Because otherwise you would feel
like, well, what's wrong with my character?
Like you kind of are your character in a way.
Yeah, yeah. Why don't they pick?
Mine, I know, I something that Adam Brody said.
I don't think I included in my notes recently, but he was
saying I I think it was maybe in the book, I don't know that you
do get typecast. And of course there are some
actors that can completely transform.
But a lot of times people he was.
This might sound bad because some people play bad people, but
he was saying that some people do get cast because they kind of
are like their characters. And he thinks that he does get
cast as people, that he kind of is like, and so I I can get what
you're saying. Like, I think, especially on a
show and they're all young people, Yeah, I think I would
feel like I want, yeah, I want to win this love triangle, you
know? If your character ends up with
the guy, you kind of get more screen time.
Probably Anyway so. True, yeah.
Anna actually got written off the show eventually.
So. Yep.
It's in a way it might come down to like.
Am I giving a better performance?
Yeah, I'm And you want the viewers to love it?
Yeah. Summer 2005 was between seasons
two and three, so seasons one and two were really successful.
And Season 2 was the one that had Olivia Wilde on it.
So between the two seasons, you know, Rachel and Mischa were,
even though that there's been reports that they didn't get
along that well. They have been seen out and
about hanging out and they went to see Adam's band perform.
And it's interesting because Mischa Barton that summer filmed
a movie with Hayden Christensen called Decameron, which I find
interesting because of things that happen in the future in
summer. That summer, Rachel and Adam
were seen out and about together with their Pitbull Penny, the
one that Adam got and made Rachel cry.
But they were also separate a lot.
She was filming the last kiss of the Zach Braff and he was
filming in the land of women with Case Do and Meg Ryan.
And so then they come back for Season 3.
And so in the beginning of the show, everybody was super into
it. Everybody in the cast, crew, the
even like the camera guys were reading the scripts, like the
lighting people. Everybody was into it and like
quoting lines and stuff, but because they had burned through
so much plot and because there was so much pressure from the
network and there were too many episodes, like I said, it was
kind of becoming like a soap opera.
And the quality went downhill. And the mood on set on season
three was not great. And Adam Brody was clearly not
enjoying playing a high schooler in season three because again,
they should have been in college by now, but then they just kept
them in high school. So the kids really lacked
enthusiasm. And they they, I think they all
were kind of Divas. Ben McKenzie, who played Ryan.
Anna Brody, Rachel Bilson, Mischa Barton.
I feel like all of them were not acting the best.
And Tate Donovan, he played Jimmy Cooper, one of the dads on
the show, and he also dated Jennifer Aniston.
Fun fact, he directed a few episodes and he talked about how
the kids didn't even read the scenes.
Like, they had no idea what their lines were and they would
say stuff. Like, yeah, they'd say stuff
like, this is bullshit, man. Like, why am I even saying this?
It's so stupid. And Adam's disengagement and
lack of trying was really palpable.
And it actually inspired the writers to write in the plot
line that Seth got into smoking weed.
Because Josh Warts said how do we explain his lethargy on
screen? Because he was just like, not
talking the way he used to. He was not acting the way he
used to. That's so interesting.
I know that's kind of people do say that.
I know and people say that Rachel always had a good
attitude, but she did once tell Tate Donovan when he was
directing, she said. I don't read lines.
I smoke pot. It's annoying.
It's like, it's like that's the show that made you famous.
And like everything is temporary.
I don't. I don't know.
I get getting sick of any job and maybe you feel stuck and
you're like, I don't give a fuck, but like, yeah, an actor
is such a luxurious job. Well, an actor at that level to
be on TV, probably making a good amount of money.
Mm hmm. So many people would kill.
Us. I know.
Position. Yeah.
It was upsetting to me, especially, you know, Adam Brody
was always like a somebody crush of mine.
And reading about this and I was like, oh, I also kind of
annoyed. It's really admirable when
actors still give it their all even when they're not.
As into the subject matter, guys, I, you know, I hate to say
this, You know, I hate to say it, but you know what I'm going
to say? Yeah, yeah, I don't know if
Robert Pattinson. Yeah, I don't know if he was
super into Twilight. Once we get to Breaking Dawn.
But you better believe that he gave his all in that
performance. I don't think he did.
I don't think he phoned it in at all.
He still gave 100% and did such a great job.
You know when he's Edward is crying about Bella, like I know.
I think that is a true testament of a great actor and a great
professional, yes. And someone with great character
and it all connects, you know, I think that people that really
give their all to even like stupid TV movies, like that can
lead to something. Yeah, exactly.
You don't ever know someone's going to see that.
And like, people will talk about how great of how great your work
ethic is or whatever. Like, yeah.
And I think that the actors on The OC, they were mad because
they were getting offered scripts for movies and stuff and
they had to turn it down because of The OC, which I can kind of
get. But I almost feel like if they
had put in a little more, maybe they would have gotten offers
after the OC ended. Exactly.
Sorry. Yeah, so true.
Because also, it's like if you think the show sucks, it's not
going to be any better if you're not putting in effort.
Yeah, I mean look at that guy on Riverdale this year.
He's been he's been like in talks or being nominated for
stuff the movie made December. Like people said that about that
show, that it was kind of a joke and then you know he did a great
job. So, I mean, Adam Brody has, he's
had a career, but it just sounded like they they got a
little arrogant. Yeah.
About it. And he he made it really clear
he didn't like the show anymore. He actually said that he let his
scripts pile up outside his dressing room to show that he
hadn't read them. That's really.
That's kind of unattractive. I know, I know, And Rachel said
about this. Here's the thing about Brody,
even half his effort is still genius, which is frustrating
because you're like, dude, you can just phone it in and still
be you, Which is admirable in a way.
But there were definitely times it was like, dude, suck it up.
It was hard thing for me because I'm one side it's my boyfriend,
on the other side it's my Co star.
So how do you balance that? And about the show, Adam said
people really liked Seth and Summer together, which is great.
So then the break, they break up for a year, Break them up for
two years, really. Ross and Rachel it.
And instead I felt like we were in this sitcom where every
episode we break up in the beginning over some
misunderstanding. And then it'd be a comedic thing
of me trying to get her back. And then I would by the end,
which was enjoyable. And like I said, I wasn't dying
to do the melodrama. I was happy to do the light
stakes comedy, but it felt like in terms of stretching A
dramatic storyline out to make people care not just from the
beginning of the episode to the end, but to make them really
invested in that long haul, it sapped some of the power from
potentially doing that. So yeah, I don't know, he was
just unhappy with it. So we've talked about this
before. This is a hard couple to
actually find stuff of during the time.
Like there were no. I went back and did the archives
of. Time stamps and could not find
many actual online articles, but I did find one from February
2006 on Fox that just had like random goings on about
celebrities and it said Adam Brody and Rachel Bilson of the
OC. This is February 2006, dined
together on Saturday night, looking a bit glum at the Great
Eatery Luke's in West Hollywood. They were the youngest people in
the restaurant and seemed like they wanted to be anywhere else
in the world, April 2006, Rachel told Teen People.
We always have a lot to talk about and we tell each other
everything. I feel like I have everything
now. The dog, the house, the job, and
him. I can't ask for anything more.
So OK, this article said they looked unhappy, but you know
that can happen anytime to anyone.
And then she tells teen people that she has everything, so
seems like it's going well. September 2006, Rachel began
filming the movie Jumper, which also stars Hayden Christensen,
the actor who's knowing known for playing Anakin Skywalker in
Star Wars and he's her love interest in the movie.
OK, so keep that in mind. So she's filming that the rest
of Fall 2006 and early into winter 2006 and then December
5th 2006. This would be like just about
when she stops filming this movie, it was reported that
Rachel and Adam had broken up. Oh no, but they still had more
to film The OC. Oh, they're really going to
phone it in now? And in January 2007, OK, so this
is like a month later, it was announced that the OC had been
canceled. OK, that's a relief if you're
one of them. Yeah, I know The last episode
ever would air February 22nd, 2007.
The season was cut short. Wow.
It's an odd coincidence that they broke up right before.
Yeah, maybe there was writing on the wall.
Yeah, but success, I know. I was wondering.
See their. Relationship develop beyond the
show. I know there's a lot to think
about here. Maybe they knew it was ending
anyway. And, you know, kind of like how
high schools couples or even college couples, like
graduation's coming up soon. And they kind of know that,
like, OK, I don't think we're going to get married.
So like let's you. Know.
Start a new chapter, Yeah. Yeah, OK, so apparently they had
already filmed a lot of season 4, which was last season, but
they still had to do the spoiler skip head.
They still had to do the wedding after they broke.
Up. Oh my gosh, that's like awesome
girls. The same exact thing have been
done. Gossip Girl.
Is this fake? Like what is going on?
Would. Kill me if I went through a
breakup with I know, and then I had to film a pretend wedding
with them. I know.
I'd be. Throwing up.
That is crazy. Me too.
It's so strange. Do you have a sense?
Do you have a? Sense Who broke up with who?
Or does it seem like it was mutual?
OK, so I so it's known that shortly, or maybe not that
shortly, but sometime after they broke up, Rachel started dating
her Co star from that movie Hayden Christensen and she dates
him for like 10 years and they have a kid together.
So it's a serious relationship. And it's funny, a lot of
articles say that they met in 2007 or 2008 on the set Jumper.
But no, it was filmed in 2006 and it's a known thing that she
filmed it during the OC. It was 2006, so I felt like some
little like sleuth, like, you guys are wrong.
I know it was 2006. And so it's just interesting,
you know, like she was still with Adam, supposedly while she
filmed that movie. Did she leave Adam for him?
Or, you know, I kind of also get the sense that Adam was kind of
done with the whole OC and maybe he was kind of just ready to,
like, move on. So I'm not really sure who
ended. It, yeah.
Could it be she left Adam for him, or he was a shoulder to cry
on after Yeah, broke up with her?
Or maybe it was just mutual and they're both like, yeah, it's
over. Maybe.
Find new people. I know I'm so curious about
mutual breakups because I personally have never
experienced 1. I guess that's what I should get
in the audience, but. Can.
A breakup ever truly be mutual? I know I don't get.
It. I don't know.
I think I could. See maybe if you just had like a
huge fight and you just both are so mad at each other for some
reason. Yeah, and you both are like, OK,
this is it, But if you had a fight, you might think that the
other one is more responsible for the fight.
I don't know. Right, right.
I know. Yeah.
We should ask people this at some point.
Yeah, I don't think. Isn't there a song about the
script when a heart breaks and never breaks even or something?
Is that what that means? Oh yeah.
I don't think. I think in any break, don't
break even. In any breakup, there's always
somebody who is a little bit more upset.
What am I supposed to do when the best part of me was always
you? What am I supposed to say when
I'm I'm all choked up and you're OK?
Oh, that's that's the 2000. Falling to pee?
That might be the 2010 might be like.
Yeah, it might be 2010 or something falling to pee.
What is up with the? Script I know.
Where have they been? I don't know.
Well, a lot of people speculated.
A lot of people thought that Seth and Summer, their
characters chemistry, was off in season four, and a source close
to the pair told people at the time it was a typical romance
and they just grew apart. They've been on and off for a
while now. Oh, oh, about the wedding scene,
Rachel said. We had broken up and it's the
end of the show. So many things coming to an end.
At the same time. It was really bizarre.
When you're that age, you think you're going to be with that
person forever. And I remember feeling like I
don't want to wear something that I would ever wear for my
own wedding. That feels weird because we just
broke up. I was like, give me a dress I
would never want to wear. So they did.
And I guess she kind of. When she's walking down the
aisle, she sticks out her tongue at.
Oh yeah, but. I guess that was something that.
That's really cute it. Is, but I guess it's something
that she just kind of added in and they kept it in.
I know it seems flirty and I think it was flirty, but also
her being maybe a little uncomfortable and like not, no,
no, not unable to take it seriously, you know.
Yeah. And she said, I remember on one
of the last days of filming the show just feeling so sad and
being close to Adam, sitting on his lap and going through all
these emotions, which is interesting because they weren't
together anymore, but apparently she was still sitting on his
lap. Probably that like in between
when people break up, but they're still hanging out all
the time. That's tough.
I feel like I'd be losing it if I was her.
Also, I don't know, if she had like another job lined up, I'd
be kind of, I'd be freaked out, you know, like, what is my life
now? I.
Know Not only are you going through breakup at a significant
career change, too. After the breakup, there was a
TMZ article. Sorry, kind of trashy, I know,
but it said the O CS Adam Brody, who recently split from Rachel
Bilson, was spotted with Kirsten Dunst.
Interesting. And Melinda Clark, who played
Julie Cooper on the show, said about Adam.
Rachel, Adam and Rachel said they were the couple that
everyone everything revolved around outside the show.
They just seemed to fit and they were adorable together at the
end. There were a few eye rolls here
and there in Season 4, but they were really sweet.
I think there was a real nice connection.
Oh, these are the other two stars.
There's real nice connection with Ben and Misha in the
beginning, and maybe not so much at the end.
OK everyone, just feeling everything left and right.
I love. That what the heck?
Yeah. So she started dating Hayden
Christensen. And interestingly, after they
had broken up, Adam still worked on a project with Rachel's dad.
They Co wrote a comic book miniseries called The Red
Menace. Red Menace?
No. I wonder if they had been
talking about that previously. Probably seems like he is close
to her parents, though, for that to happen.
That's been serious. Yeah.
So time passed, You know, she dated Hayden, seemingly off and
on, for 10 years, and they had a daughter together.
And then Adam married Leighton Meester, who played Blair on
Gossip Girl and they have two kids.
And then this welcome to the OC Bitches podcast happened in 2021
and I've already shared a lot of things that Rachel said on it.
But so it's a rewatch show with Rachel and Melinda Clark and
throughout the show that they're watching each episode and
talking about it. And obviously her ex-boyfriend
is in every single episode that they're watching.
And she does make a lot of references to the fact that she
dated him. I mean, I remember when I was
listening to it, I wanted more. Like I was always dying for her
to say more. But she would acknowledge it a
lot about how it was kind of awkward.
And on the podcast she talked about how she saw Anna remember
that love triangle character go in.
So I guess the actress, actor Samira went in to go kiss Seth
the names and she said I see Samira like slip tongue and I'm
watching it and she slipped the tongue and I get transported
back to 18 years ago and I get a little jealous and I'm like,
what are you doing slipping tongue in the mouth?
There's no tongue in television. So that's funny.
And then so on the podcast, they have guests pretty much every
episode of who are people from The OC, whether they were actors
or directors or writers or costume people.
Like they have people from the show on on the podcast.
And, you know, the whole time the show, as the episodes go by,
you're wondering, are they going to have Adam Brody on the show?
I mean, he's the star, Like, come on.
But you know, there's that weird thing because that's her ex.
And a while it goes by, he's not on the show.
But then he finally was on the show.
The Adam Brody episode. They did A2 parter and Yep and
people who. Shipped them at one point in
time. Must have been going.
Crazy. Yeah.
I mean, I was going crazy like I I I wasn't even watching it like
while it was live. But it's just crazy to see them
talking to each other and I hope they're not listening.
It was a little awkward at times.
Was it? I was going to say they must be
so moved on that it's no big deal.
OK, so first of all, she talked to People magazine.
She did like a video interview and she talked about how she
asked Adam. And I do really appreciate how
open she's been. I really appreciate that because
she was really honest. She said that she was nervous
and she didn't think he would do it and that she texted him and
said I guess she had a another dog from the OC days named
Thurman and she texted him like Thurman died.
You have to come on the show. Oh my.
God, what a guilt trip. You know, I know.
But he said yes. Yeah, probably because she guilt
tripped him. And she said that they talked
about having him on to watch the episode where they lost their
virginity together. The one, the clip that I showed
you guys at the beginning, but then they decided it was too
awkward. So they didn't do that.
And he came on for a later episode.
And so I just, I wrote down a bunch of little quotes from it
of things that she said or he said, well one at one point she
said I was never better than when I was acting with you.
And Adam goes, oh that's so sweet.
And she taught, told this story about how.
So there was this plot line where Adam's character, Seth and
I think Ryan, the other character, we're going to Las
Vegas. But Rachel was not in this
episode. Her character had nothing to do
with it. She wasn't supposed to be there,
but she told the showrunner Josh, she said Josh Brody is not
going to Vegas without me. So she made him write her into
the script and and she said, like, I had to be everywhere
because I had to be everywhere you were because I was this
young girlfriend with a very successful, famous, crush worthy
boyfriend. And he just kind of, like,
chuckled along, like it felt a little nervous, a little awkward
to me. Well, especially if they're both
new people at this point. Like if I was lean, yeah, it'd
be kind of, I don't know, she's probably really secure, but.
Well, here's the thing. She I'm pretty sure.
Rachel, I hope you're not listening.
I'm pretty sure she was single. Her and Hayden were no longer
together. She was dating Bill Hader
briefly, but I don't. I mean, she could have been
seeing someone that we don't know about, but didn't.
She give an interview saying that the Bill Hader breakup was
like the worst breakup ever. Yeah, I think so.
She was like gutted by that. It was very brief as well.
I know. So I could.
Maybe she was, you know, feeling nostalgic for Adam Brody, but it
isn't appropriate because he's married and he says that he
doesn't. OK, it's like kind of sad
because she's talking so much about this Vegas thing and he
says he doesn't remember anything about it.
And she goes, she says like, oh, yeah, I also don't remember
anything. And she says we make a great
pair. We should just rehash.
But then I think she gets cut off.
What are you doing? Yeah, let's.
Wind it back, Rachel. And then she randomly tells a
story about how the creator, Josh Schwartz, was trying to get
Adam a stripper in Vegas. She was like, remember when Josh
was trying to get you a stripper?
And he says no, I don't remember that.
And he's like, yeah, he's trying to get a stripper.
And I was like, no. And he acts like he doesn't
remember him. And then she says, didn't you
give me this advice about going on a talk show?
And he goes, oh, I don't think so.
And then she says this, like, bit of advice, she recalls.
He said, And he's like, Oh yeah, maybe I did say that, Oh my God,
it was a little sad. Like, I feel like she, even
though I had said earlier she doesn't remember a lot of
things, she did remember a lot of things about him and he kind
of acted like he didn't remember.
That that is heartbreaking. I was thinking about that the
other day and just remembering past relationship, where I feel
like in hindsight, something that makes me realize it wasn't
meant to be is I would remember all these moments and like,
recall them to him and he had no recollection of them.
Like, wow, these moments that were like, so significant in my
memory of like a story that I had built up in my head or kind
of nothing. Yeah.
I that is empathizing. And it's really, I mean,
obviously it's ATV show, but it's really different from The
OC because one big plot line about The OC is that Seth has
always remembered this poem that Summer recited in like 6th grade
and that that's when he fell in love with her because her hand
shook while she's recited the poem.
And it's like, I wish I was a mermaid.
And it's like this whole thing that like Seth always remembered
everything about Summer and so that's sad that Adam Brody
doesn't remember anything. Well, not, not, not nothing.
But so, are we going to watch a clip from this episode?
They actually put it behind like a paywall.
It used to not be, but I don't know why.
They hey, you know, we get it. Yeah, we get it.
We get it. We do it too.
I understand. They make it kind of hard,
though. It's like some weird network
thing. You have to sign up for like one
of those podcast networks. But I did.
I mean, it wasn't like he was totally closed off.
I did think that they were both joking around and like making
faces and both being, I don't know, maybe just like a little
reminiscent, somewhat flirty. And they were talking about
guest stars like, oh, who was your favorite guest *?
And she brought up Olivia Wilde out of nowhere and said, I
remember you had a crush on Olivia Wilde and I was so mad,
but I had a crush on her too, so I understand.
I feel like I think one awkward thing is they're talking about
the TV show, but their relationship is coming up.
I feel like if I was Lee and Meester, I'd feel more
comfortable. Like, let's keep it to the show,
you know? I know it's hard not to talk
about the relationship, but. Yeah, I hope that they talked on
the phone or something a little bit before this, because I was
thinking to myself, Oh my God, imagine if my first reunion with
an ex was on a podcast. Recorded for people to listen
to. Recorded.
Yeah. I mean, obviously I would be
like, well, first of all, I would be like, Oh my gosh, well,
sorry about how I behaved back. Or I don't know, like, I don't
know, like let's like rehash the whole end of our relationship.
What happened? I don't.
I hope that they talked otherwise because that would be
really intense. Yeah.
Oh my gosh. Do that for entertainment.
But this other part where she said, did I turn you on to
Springsteen? He goes, I I remember you were
so into Springsteen. I'm still kind of air.
And he said that. I remember your dad liked him.
And then Adam said, I like some songs, you know, but in general,
it's too earnest for me. Well, I don't know.
I like some earnest stuff. I'm just not a Springsteen head.
And then Rachel just goes. Was Springsteen in the episode
or something that they're talking about?
I don't know. And for Melinda Clark, I feel
like she kept having a segue away from these Random.
Thought somebody else was there. Yeah, she was so.
She would be. She would keep bringing it back
to the episode. She's like, all right, back to
the episode. Yeah, I know what.
Did you guys think of this scene?
If you're Rachel Bilson, you're like, newly single.
You're talking to your, like, hot, attractive ex like on the
podcast. Like, I feel, like, way too
excited to be like, let's reconnect.
I would, yeah. But he also he acknowledged that
he wasn't as appreciative as he should have been.
And well, let me I'm skipping ahead.
But he said he's embarrassed by a lot of the things he did back
then and that it was gross that he let it be known how much he
disliked the script. And he said I definitely treated
the word disrespectfully at that point and that it wasn't cool.
So at least at least he acknowledges that now.
Yeah. And then she she did keep
mentioning things like he was on watch.
What happens live with is it Andy Cohen?
And she said, Didn't they ask you about kissing me, Rachel?
Why are you asking that? What did he say?
Well, I think it what happened on the show was they asked like
who did you like kissing more, Rachel Bilson or Olivia Wilde?
And I think he did say Rachel Bilson because I was dating her.
She had to say, obviously. Yeah, if I was like, yeah, I
don't. I don't feel comfortable with
this. I know, yeah.
So those those are the highlights I thought from his
episode and I listened to. I was genuinely into this
podcast. It it's not on anymore because
they finished their rewatch, but on the last episode when they
watched the end of the show, Melinda Clark, her Co host,
said. I felt like I was watching
Rachel and Adam, she said on their wedding day, which is kind
of a weird thing to say, but I know.
And apparently Rachel, when she watched the Seth summer wedding,
she texted Josh Schwartz and said, oh life and said that it
was bringing up so much again. Yeah, so today, you know, they
are not together. He's with like Meester as we
said, and she she definitely still has.
I don't know what he thinks. I mean, he's married, so he, I
think needs to keep his cards close and that's a good thing.
But she definitely still talks about him a lot.
Even 10 months ago she did this video for Entertainment Weekly
where she went through all her roles in her career and she
talked about how she felt like she was able to, in The OC, go
from guest star to starring role because she made Josh Schwartz
laugh and was in Josh Schwartz's good graces.
But she also said also chemistry is everything.
And I think the scenes they were writing for Seth and Summer
really helped. So I don't know, I just feel
like little comments like that, like, oh, we had great
chemistry, like she just has to mention that.
So I don't know. I suspect there might be a
little bit lingering feelings on her side, but.
Yeah, I mean, but at this. Point I was looking too wild to
it. 13 years later? Oh yeah, 14?
Yeah. So I'm sure there's lingering
feelings the way those years of your life, like, will always
have such a special place in your heart.
But, like, you grow so much in that time, too.
That's like you can never really go back and be that person and
be with that person the way you were at that point.
So doesn't. Totally mean anything.
It doesn't. It doesn't.
It's just fun for us to be a reason.
But I do wish him the best. I think Adam is more
professional today. She's.
Adorable. She's so gorgeous.
I love how I know she is. I feel like she's like, I hate
to say this, like she's like an OK actress I've never been,
like, wowed by. I feel like she'll probably
never win like an Oscar. Maybe same to him as well.
I mean, definitely same. I know.
Yeah, I would be shocked. I'd be shocked.
I mean, I really, I do like them both.
Even though Adam, he did seem a bit dickish.
But I do have a soft spot for both of them.
But I agree. I was reading a lot of comments
and a lot of people's thoughts and stuff online, and a lot of
people agree that they're not, like, the best actors.
I think they're good, but it's. He kind of plays himself.
Yeah, it's weird. They're so arrogant about being
on the show because it's like, I feel like that show is like what
their skill set is best for. You know, and you kind of talked
this, talked about this in the Glee episode.
But the writers really brought in a lot of their own
personalities to the characters. Like a lot of things that they
liked, they made the characters, like.
So I mean, I was thinking about this like sometimes people, I
think are acting. They're totally being a
different person. And then sometimes people are
just kind of acting like different emotions.
Yeah, you know what I mean. And I like I get that sense from
this show. But also, I'm not an actor.
So yeah, I shouldn't talk. But but yeah, that's basically
Adam Brody and Rachel Bilson. Oh, thank you, Kel, for leading
us through that. That was so fun.
Thanks, Thanks for listening who thought this was going to be
way. Longer, but it did skip.
It wasn't that long. Who are we talking about next
week? I know.
Next week? Oh yeah, Mel knows.
Next week we are revisiting somebody, somebody that we have
talked about before, a music legend.
And it's another relationship in this person's life.
Mm hmm. I guess that's all I'll say.
And if you have a guess, tell us.
And we always ask people to guess on our Instagram on
Tuesdays, pretty much. So yeah.
And thank you. Guys for listening.
Yep. Thank you.
And we'll get back together next week.
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