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Are You Lonesome Tonight? 
Do you miss me tonight? 

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Are you sorry? 
We drifted does your mail. 

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Hey guys, Welcome to our show 
called significant lovers. 

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Thanks for listening where 
Kellen Mel, I'm Kel and I'm Mel 

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and your cousins. 
And best friends as well. 

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I would say, I meant thinking we
need a saying our old podcast 

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used to say happy Twilight 
Tuesday, Wednesday, only romance

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related thing. 
I've come up with so far is 

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webblock wedding. 
W-we. 

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Wonderful, wonderful Wednesday. 
Happy you know how happy we all 

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wedding Wednesday, wedding. 
I know, but it's not what he 

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could. 
Not everything. 

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Yeah. 
They're not all marriage, 

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stories. 
Hmm. 

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I don't know about it to ponder 
this. 

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Yeah, love Associated words 
wedlock when I would like one I 

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don't know why but that would 
work better than wedding. 

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So, but the cup, this is a 
marriage stories. 

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This entire marriage, they do 
get married. 

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That's true, they don't stay 
married to divorce story. 

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Yes. 
Yes, this is our furthest back 

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of a said so far, is it? 
Yeah, as I was just telling you,

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Joe DiMaggio was born 19, 14, 
screws back. 

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We've gone. 
I do want to go really far back 

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as if you are down. 
Drums Odes 1700s. 

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Yeah, let's go bareback hundred.
Yeah. 

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These see ya? 
I don't know, but I do, I'm 

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really excited about this 
episode but it is Sounds like 

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someone's like a leaf blowing 
outside. 

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Oh, We're in New York City 
that's where some of this story 

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takes place. 
I go. 

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Okay, so these are the sounds in
the cities on City. 

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We hope it gives a nice ambience
in the background. 

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This I think, Is very 
interesting story but it does 

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get kind of dark later. 
Say, I mean, we're going to talk

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a little bit about Marilyn 
Monroe and her death. 

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Not a ton about it, but Joe is 
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around that time. 
So, okay, I truly know nothing 

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about this. 
So I think I'm going to be 

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learning a lot along with you 
guys. 

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I didn't know anything either 
really and I'm glad I Did this 

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episode because I've always seen
Marilyn, whole life. 

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Everyone has, yeah, I've seen 
her in 50s diners, like in 

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posters. 
And in my parents house, we even

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have a doll of Marilyn Monroe in
that white dress. 

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Yeah. 
You standing over the great, 

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which is from The Seven Year, 
Itch. 

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Apparently, but yeah, I mean, I 
don't know anything about her. 

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Like nothing and not Joe 
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I only knew I knew he was a 
baseball player and I knew him 

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from the side. 
And Garfunkel Song, mrs. 

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Robinson, but that's how I has 
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to learn a lot about them. 
And it's very fascinating. 

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Actually. 
This this is like stuck with me.

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I've been thinking a lot about 
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Yeah, I know wanting me I love I
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like not that I've covered ones,
it's old but like wasn't like 

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are not from like the 2000s and 
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Yeah. 
They take a lot more to prepare 

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because you're like you have to 
get books for them and like 

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there's actually so much that's 
out there that it's hard to like

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pick what you're going to talk 
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And so it's easy for it to 
Zoomer life. 

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It has consumed my life. 
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And I made a playlist about 
them. 

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Yeah, doing. 
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Is really good. 
It like, really brings you into 

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it. 
Like, the first track is right, 

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he's gonna be Private, Pyle, if 
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we're gonna share these or what.
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make it public for the public 
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one ideas. 
It's the first track is like his

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retirement. 
Page, which is on, is out there 

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as a track for some reason, 
retirement from the Yankees and 

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it's only like 50 seconds but 
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And then there's this song 
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Like from back then like from 
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so on. 
I guys, then a song by Marilyn 

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Monroe, Diamonds Are a Girl's 
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then there's some others. 
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you in the mood. 
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experience but it is kind of it 
is tragic. 

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Mmm, so heís but there's low. 
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one of the three words that you 
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couple? 
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That is one of my words I would 
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What about the other two words I
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Possessive don't know, I know 
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okay, mmm-hmm. 
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this couple before doing this 
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So Maryland, Joe were only 
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she had another husband after 
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Arthur Miller, the writer, but I
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article before that after she 
died, Joe sent flowers to her 

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grave every week for like the 
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Or whatever. 
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was like, wow, that's so 
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Is it true? 
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of his life is 20 years but 
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than her that he did. 
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And he did send who's six roses 
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to her grave after she died. 
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Why? 
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must been piling up out there. 
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like the cemetery was clearing 
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they were managing that or maybe
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something. 
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it is. 
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He never did oh, but the thing 
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dating period but they did not 
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It's like that's happened, very 
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Afterwards. 
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there's an exodus but girlfriend
girlfriend, bad husband wave. 

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Yes. 
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So who are they? 
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So I used this book for this 
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sources to, but called Joe and 
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A memory of Love by, Roger, Khan
was Kate Ahn try out. 

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My dad has this book 20 So you 
spent money? 

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I know doing but I brought it 
home and he's like, you're 

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reading Joe and Marilyn. 
I have that book. 

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I know and it was a really 
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immerses you in the time, I 
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lot about like, what else was 
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same time but it didn't get into
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chapter of my God, the last 
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So the whole book is like 
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But who they are then individual
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Oh my God. 
Both Joe and Marilyn came from 

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nothing. 
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Nothing nothing at all. 
Let's look, Honestly though the 

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opposite of almost every other 
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We came around this podcast. 
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brushing. 
Nothing. 

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Absolutely nothing enough. 
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way, the baseball player. 
Yeah, baseball player. 

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Yeah, for the Yankees, which is 
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Yep. 
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about supposedly one of the best
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he's from the Yankees Yankees 
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But Joe, as I said, he was born 
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November 25th 1914, to Sicilian 
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He grew up in San Fran. 
Go and his parents didn't speak 

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English. 
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don't know if they could read or
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I don't know. 
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himself dropped out of high 
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Oh wow, donut, I school and he 
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Oh my God, he is the second 
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all lived in a small house. 
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All the boys are in another and 
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kids like slept on the couch And
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they were all just like cram so 
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So, how did he become a pro 
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The crazy thing is, which I 
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my parents will be like rolling 
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two of his brothers. 
Vince and Dom also became Major 

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League center fielders. 
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Major League Dominic, DiMaggio 
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And Vince, his brother was on a 
Teams were like mostly the 

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Pittsburgh Pirates. 
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Did they play at the same time? 
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So they played against each 
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Wait, that's crazy. 
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apparently they had like songs 
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Like the Red Sox had a song 
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damn sure that Joe was like, the
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He will. 
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I think, if I'm understanding 
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one on the Red Sox was second 
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Best fathers in Ganky and a Red 
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Yeah, my family. 
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And the crazy thing is, this was
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Yeah. 
Thing like that, they literally 

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played on like a paved alley and
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bad list, a solo back then like 
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probably weren't even that good 
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But like so as though it's weird
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like The Scouting process, 
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This is what happens. 
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working in an orange juice 
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baseball with the kids in the 
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He lived in like an Italian 
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apparently there's a Sandlot 
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just went around wow watching 
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Joe playing really well and had 
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Try it out and he got on the 
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Francisco. 
Seals mmm played extremely well 

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in the seals. 
He broke the record for most 

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consecutive hits and he gained a
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neighborhood to go see him play 
and is really successful on the 

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minor league team and I guess 
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connected to the major league 
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instance, the woo socks. 
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What they would want to be on 
the Red Sox, right? 

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separate. 
So the Yankees had to like buy 

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him basically off the minor 
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league. 
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So they like offered him a 
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Yankees in 1936 same team as Lou
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the best players of all time, I 
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And he played 13 Seasons with 
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They won ten of those 13. 
They won the American League 

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pennant and they 19 World Series
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Oh my God, that's actually kind 
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I know, that's pretty 
impressive. 

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He's really Lucy was really 
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It's like he didn't have the 
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That's why people say to. 
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natural player because like 
literally like what I think 

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about people in my high school 
who like, wanted to join the MLB

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but like didn't even make it. 
It's like, they had been 

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training since they were like 
four years old. 

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Literally, some people stayed 
back just like better their 

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chances of like being pro 
baseball players and like 

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couldn't even make it. 
I'm sure they would have made it

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by Standards back then he but I 
mean, he's still considered one 

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of the best ball players of all 
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I think he's, I don't know, I 
think being on like SP and he's 

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like consider 15 really but we 
still be good playing against 

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modern players, I guess, I don't
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I mean, what change would you 
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standards? 
Like I feel like the people are 

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faster the velocity of their 
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I don't know. 
I think the records have 

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changed. 
He was really good hitter. 

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That was like his thing. 
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The most enduring record in 
sports. 

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Wow, he was on he played center 
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Brady of baseball All yes, up 
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Williams and he had some 
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Yankee Clipper. 
Hmm, so I'll get some Maryland 

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soon. 
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and other articles I've read 
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cheap especially in his early 
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He cared a lot about making 
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Because he grew up really poor. 
Yeah, makes sense like his main 

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motivator and he was always 
fighting the He's about his 

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contractors like huge drama 
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and chapters about this. 
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dollars, but he was he was 
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because those areas for them, 
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40,000 dollars. 
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Great Depression and a lot of 
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American was living on like two 
thousand dollars a year. 

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Wow. 
So that's yeah. 

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But then I read that Babe Ruth 
made 100,000 in the 20s. 

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R t. 

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Isn't that much? 
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you guys can plug it in your 
inflation calculator. 

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Figure it out. 
I did some inflation calculating

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later on in the story but he did
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house and he financed his dad, 
his dad, got a restaurant. 

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Basically, some those nice. 
I mean he has so many siblings 

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that he had probably is like 
looking out for it to be true, 

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but he did come off a bit sheep 
and obsessed with money. 

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He's Numbered. 
As at all serious, quiet, 

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somewhat aloof withdrawn and 
stoic men. 

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Sorry, there's a lot of 
adjectives. 

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Oh, I love us. 
The man who smoked a lot and 

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drink. 
A lot of coffee up to 10 a day, 

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which made me feel better 
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attends a lot. 
There were a lot of mentions of 

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him drinking coffee and later in
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spokesperson into commercials 
for mr. 

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Coffee but Sir, Hugh and the 
picture on the Yankees Eddie 

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lopat said, Joe was the 
Loneliest man I ever knew which 

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is like why am I once again 
doing an episode about someone 

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described is the only person 
someone's ever known. 

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I'm Prince Charles, I don't 
know. 

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Yeah. 
And one of his friends 

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complained, if I'm standing in a
corner saying nothing the 

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broads. 
Think it's because I've got 

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nothing to say. 
If Joe DiMaggio standing in a 

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corner saying nothing, this is 
their language. 

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In fact, that not me the broads,
think he figured, he must be 

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thinking, Deep Thoughts The 
Bride. 

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There's a lot of I believe that 
you should do in north islands 

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again. 
I really want to have a Norfolk.

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We wasn't called Transatlantic 
accent. 

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Yeah, but I can't do it. 
I need to study how to do it. 

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The broad that the broad abroad 
to study, how to do that. 

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And there's a whole part in the 
book about how when he was 

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playing for the Yankees and he 
was had this hitting streak. 

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You know, it was a great 
depression and then it was World

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War 2 starting and he really was
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World War Two. 
These ball was just huge at this

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point as the war was starting, 
and I think that's why he's 

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mentioned in mrs. 
Robinson when it says, like 

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Alex, where have you gone? 
Joe DiMaggio, our nation turns. 

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Its lonely eyes to you. 
What's that? 

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You say mrs. 
Robinson joltin Joe has left and

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gone away. 
I was kind of sad so people are 

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dependent on him for Unity. 
It's in distraction because he 

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Joe has been asked about that 
song and he's been like on. 

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I don't know why they mentioned 
me, I don't know what that song 

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means. 
I think he would How old was he 

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when he died? 
Wow. 

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So we're alive at the same time.
So yeah, we were. 

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But so there was this other book
written about him that I didn't 

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need. 
Sorry, I don't have time, but 

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like I read reviews about it 
called. 

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Well, there was a couple of this
might have been, like dinner 

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with DiMaggio. 
I can't remember what this was, 

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but it was written by someone 
named. 

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Richard bent Kramer. 
I read a review of it by Joseph 

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Epstein, and he said, of It 
creamer proposes to show us the 

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less than elegant side not to 
put too fine. 

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A point on it DiMaggio. 
The book makes Joe out to be a 

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drip, a jerk, a boar and a creep
with nothing good to be said 

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about him off of baseball. 
The baseball field. 

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Yeah. 
If he was not the Deep Creek 

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presented by Kramer neither will
it do to make him out to be just

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a dumb jock, use more 
complicated than that. 

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I don't know. 
We'll get into it before, 

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Marilyn. 
He was married actually, he was 

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married to a woman named Dorothy
Olsen who is also an actress. 

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But in like small roles on these
two, she wasn't that famous 

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besides being with him. 
And her acting name was Dorothy 

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Arnold. 
They were married from 1939 to 

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1944 and they had a son 
together. 

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Joe jr. 
But Joe apparently wasn't very 

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present with Dorothy. 
He's super busy with baseball 

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just An attentive and was kind 
of cold towards her. 

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At least that's what she said 
and they were sore often on. 

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They kept like breaking up and 
almost divorcing, then getting 

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back together and then whatever.
But they divorced she remarried 

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and apparently, he continued to 
love her even after the divorce.

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Good science. 
Yeah. 

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But then he met Marilyn so about
Marilyn Monroe, who is she Norma

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Jean, I can't believe I'm saying
this. 

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She's just such a Icon. 
You know, it's just, it's cool 

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to get to know her. 
So, these are some adjectives 

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that I saw written about her. 
Sweet tender tough intelligent 

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chronically late, most of messy 
and even shy kind of like a lot 

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of contradictory in animals, but
that's she teacher of people. 

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I know people here are that way.
Hmm, they contradict themselves 

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and she had a really rough 
upbringing. 

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We got it. 
Yeah she was born. 

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June 1st as Norma Jean Baker. 
As he said in Los Angeles. 

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Her mother had had a son before 
but he died in childhood. 

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She never knew her father 
really? 

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Yeah, just do people know who 
the father is. 

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I'm not sure, no, maybe I didn't
see it, but maybe just never 

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knew. 
I don't think she had a 

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relationship with him. 
Her mother and grandmother, both

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struggle with mental health, and
her mom, Gladys couldn't really 

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take care of her. 
So, she put Marilyn Norma Jean 

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then, but put her in a foster 
home when she was only 11 days 

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old, really know, and her mom 
checked herself into like a 

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mental facility and Marilyn 
lived. 

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Like her whole childhood in 
foster homes. 

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And then she was in an 
orphanage. 

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What I did, I don't know. 
Isn't that crazy? 

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Yeah. 
Meant she was back in a home. 

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I know. 
And apparently was really hard 

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for her to talk about those 
years so she didn't really talk 

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about. 
It was so sad and she was 

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married before Joe to she 
married someone from her high 

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school gym. 
Dougherty Hunters. 

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Only 16 years old. 
Wow no I guess she She kind of 

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just wanted to get out of home. 
She didn't really have anywhere 

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to go. 
That's understandable. 

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Yeah. 
And he was handsome and like a 

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couple years older and I don't 
think they got along so well or 

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I'm not really sure what the 
dynamic is. 

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I feel like there's not a ton of
information about this, but they

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did get divorced in 1946. 
I think they're fighting and 

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it's just not good Mac. 
Yeah, so when she was on her own

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she started modeling and she was
really successful at it one 

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month, she's on the cover of 
five magazines. 

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Beans. 
She posed for a calendar artist.

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I think they were nude 
paintings, or whatever and 

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photographs, I don't know what 
they were like and he paid her 

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five dollars an hour which I 
actually thought seems like a 

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lot for the time because I had a
job at Macy's in New Hampshire 

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in like 2014 that paid like 775.
Wow. 

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So I'm like okay, it's like the 
40s, five an hour. 

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No, probably is a lot. 
Wow. 

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What was the average person? 
We can wiggle was a minimum wage

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like a quarter. 
Probably probably. 

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If the average salary was like, 
2,000, a year, she was trying to

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get an agent to trying to get 
into acting to do auditions for 

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some reason. 
The book kept calling them 

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interviews. 
So I don't know if it was like a

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different process back then or 
something, but she had a lot of 

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interviews. 
She met a casting director at 

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20th Century Fox. 
He's very taken with her but he 

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said, she had to change her name
and I guess Monroe was her 

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mother's maiden name? 
And she said that the first time

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she signed an autograph to go, 
really slow because she wasn't 

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sure. 
How to spell Marilyn. 

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Oh, you know, it's not as sweet.
She said, she didn't know where 

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the wire that I went. 
She was fired from Fox 

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supposedly for not sleeping with
the studio president. 

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Are you serious? 
Yeah. 

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That's something that would 
happen back then and it's so 

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stupid. 
She lost her contract because 

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you got a contract with Columbia
and she lost that for the same 

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reason. 
What's that crazy? 

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I know I fucked up world, I know
and it's crazy that it's like a 

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hundred years later. 
Well, not quite a guy. 

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It's not honey, but it's a long 
time later and we still have 

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issues like this, ya know, it's 
crazy. 

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They just hold her like, oh, 
you're fired. 

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Because I guess so cheese. 
But she did get a small role in 

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a movie called love happy. 
And then another role in the 

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asphalt jungle and I guess it 
caught people's attention 

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saying, who's that blond? 
She has brown hair right today. 

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Dye hair. 
Yeah. 

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Sorry. 
Bleaching your hair. 

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So after that fox re-signed her 
contract for 500 a week and she 

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was 24 at the time, so back. 
Then, they did it kind of more 

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like how music contracts work 
today where they would say, 

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okay, you're doing like, seven 
movies with us. 

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Yeah, it's not like that anymore
for film industry, but yeah, 

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like, Judy Garland was like MGM 
like, yeah. 

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And she like work for the 
studio. 

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Yeah, so she was in a couple 
movies, a roller derby movie, 

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The Fireball. 
Then as long as young as you 

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feel and 1951 with a more 
complex, plot and Regional love 

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triangle, movie called love nest
in 1951. 

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Then let's make it legal voxel. 
Enter to RKO for the movie Clash

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By Night. 
Weird, like, your property. 

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I know which drew a lot of 
praise and she's in a bunch more

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movies before Joe. 
She had a lot of other lovers. 

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Well, if I just say a lot, but 
she had a handful and a lot of 

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them are older men and sometimes
married men. 

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Hmm. 
That's her thing. 

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I guess some of the stories 
about them were really 

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tumultuous and crazy to like, 
well, she's with the actor. 

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John Carroll, a voice coach 
called Fred Karger and then this

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last one, this executive called 
Johnny Hyde, they just want a 

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really dramatic relationship and
then he actually died of a heart

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attack in Maryland was like You 
did and I think that really like

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fucked up her life after that 
and he actually started taking 

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pills to help her sleep and that
kind of became like a problem. 

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Yeah. 
What's he makes you already just

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had like no Foundation yeah from
her early childhood which stays 

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with people who ever what 
happens when you're that young 

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if you're put into foster care 
at 11 days old. 

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I know that's gonna be trauma 
that lasts a lifetime and 

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nothing else in her childhood 
Helped either. 

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So she really didn't have a 
chance but not to this is 

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nothing to do with that but I 
don't know how her hair looked 

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so naturally why know she did. 
But that actually truly is like 

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a bunch of that I just like, I 
don't know. 

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It's like there's some like oh 
she trauma but her hair like 

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yeah I guess she's really 
keeping up with the roots or 

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somebody. 
It's yeah hard to like make that

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00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,000
as a brunette. 
Like it's hard to keep up with 

454
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,100
that for so long, so that's one.
Good thing. 

455
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,800
I mean, I think she was like, 
she had troubles, but I think 

456
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,000
she was happy with where her 
career was going. 

457
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,400
I don't think her life was like 
a total misery at the yeah. 

458
00:27:37,700 --> 00:27:41,100
So Joe DiMaggio and Marilyn 
Monroe. 

459
00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:48,300
Met in 1952. 
Where were you guys in 1915 and 

460
00:27:48,300 --> 00:27:55,200
have been me? 
So I would say they had their 

461
00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:01,100
first date March 8th 1952 at 
Villanova for the first public 

462
00:28:01,100 --> 00:28:02,800
date. 
It's been suggested that they 

463
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,900
had met prior to this and we're 
dating privately but I don't 

464
00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:12,200
know, maybe she'll really pervy 
saying this but some accounts 

465
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,000
say they slept together on the 
first date in the back of a car.

466
00:28:17,300 --> 00:28:22,100
Well I mean and I Did Mary was 
into that, I don't know. 

467
00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:27,000
And apparently he sent her 
flowers and next day and said, 

468
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:29,800
this is apparently, I don't 
know. 

469
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,100
He said, you know, this is the 
first time I've ever called up a

470
00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:37,900
girl, the morning after I laid 
her to see how she was eating it

471
00:28:37,900 --> 00:28:41,600
as a compliment and I think she 
took it as a compliment, you 

472
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:48,300
know, this is the first time it 
would be like his voice. 

473
00:28:50,300 --> 00:28:52,700
Yeah, the book described it as 
an earthy. 

474
00:28:52,700 --> 00:28:58,100
Comment earthy. 
Okay, so he's kind of being 

475
00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:01,500
like, you know, usually I'm a 
dick to ya girls, I sleep yet 

476
00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:05,300
but how are you? 
You know, I forgot to mention, I

477
00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:11,100
think I skipped over it but the 
I feel like Joe before his first

478
00:29:11,100 --> 00:29:13,300
marriage to Dorothy. 
I feel like he was sleeping 

479
00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:17,800
around and talks about him. 
He really loved this bar called 

480
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,600
toots Shore. 
Which apparently like Hemingway 

481
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,900
went to mmm, that kind of crowd 
and yeah. 

482
00:29:24,900 --> 00:29:27,800
And he like Showgirls. 
Okay. 

483
00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:31,200
So he must have liked that 
Marilyn put out on the first. 

484
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,500
Ya do ya. 
But then there were some other 

485
00:29:34,500 --> 00:29:37,700
stories and said that they 
didn't but there were more, 

486
00:29:37,700 --> 00:29:44,900
that's what they did. 
So that's so funny that it's 

487
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:47,100
like even it was in the book 
historian. 

488
00:29:47,100 --> 00:29:51,900
Yeah, I'd hope if someone put it
In the book that it's so funny. 

489
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,200
Like, literally that's celebrity
gossip know, it is literally 

490
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,600
celebrity gossip, but by the 
time people have become icons 

491
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,900
lived and died. 
Its history. 

492
00:30:01,900 --> 00:30:04,800
Now its history. 
So it's like any like, the 

493
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:09,000
stupid little stuff we're 
talking about for like, like 

494
00:30:09,700 --> 00:30:13,200
Miley Cyrus and Nick Jonas or 
whatever a hundred years from 

495
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,700
now. 
That's like hmm your historian. 

496
00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:19,700
That's true. 
Actually went to read something.

497
00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:22,700
The kind of relates to that 
about gossip. 

498
00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:28,100
So, the author of this book, I 
guess he was friends with the 

499
00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:30,700
poet. 
Robert Frost, mmm, because this 

500
00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:34,500
guy's pretty legit writer 
actually and there's a portion 

501
00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:37,300
of the book where the author 
said he hung out with Robert 

502
00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:42,100
Frost and frost asked him if he 
liked gossip and Roger, their 

503
00:30:42,100 --> 00:30:43,100
author said. 
Yes. 

504
00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:46,100
And frost said so do I? 
But most people have a hard time

505
00:30:46,100 --> 00:30:48,300
admitting it. 
Yeah. 

506
00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:54,000
When Robert Frost Liked it you 
guys know Robert Frost two roads

507
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,800
diverged in a yellow wood would 
like even he likes gossip and 

508
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,400
zoom like to gossip, I guess I 
should say. 

509
00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:04,500
Um I repeat rest in peace, 
Robert Frost. 

510
00:31:04,500 --> 00:31:08,500
So back to Joe and Marilyn when 
they met Joe is actually already

511
00:31:08,500 --> 00:31:13,800
retired from the Yankees. 
He'd retired 1951 1952. 

512
00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:18,000
So it's kind of like, if you 
imagine like, Tom Brady retiring

513
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,400
and then getting with Kim 
Kardashian, Ashley. 

514
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,500
And here's what I've heard, 
people predicted that I 

515
00:31:23,500 --> 00:31:28,600
literally saw Tick-Tock that was
like, mark my words, Tom Brady, 

516
00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:31,800
Kim Kardashian. 
Like I'm gonna go on a date next

517
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,200
to her. 
I could see it. 

518
00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:37,400
I could teach you they're both 
fresh off a divorce. 

519
00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:41,100
There's the biggest easy 
celebrities ever. 

520
00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:44,300
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
I mean he was huge be like at 

521
00:31:44,300 --> 00:31:46,700
this point he wasn't really like
Rising anymore. 

522
00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:49,700
And so then to be with Marilyn, 
really like kept him. 

523
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:50,600
Mm. 
Yeah. 

524
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,400
Spotlight like raise my hand. 
I wonder if you liked that if he

525
00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:00,300
was a contracted to that that's 
the thing is like he will get 

526
00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:02,700
into it. 
He didn't seem to like the 

527
00:32:02,700 --> 00:32:06,500
attention. 
I think he liked being with this

528
00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:10,400
beautiful woman and maybe he 
liked this, dad is really liked 

529
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,200
knowing that he was with the 
most beautiful woman in the 

530
00:32:12,208 --> 00:32:14,400
world, but it seems like he 
didn't enjoy. 

531
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,700
He really hated the Press first 
of all, and I don't think he 

532
00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:19,700
actually liked the spotlight, so
yeah, I don't get it. 

533
00:32:19,900 --> 00:32:21,900
It's one of those things where 
people like go for what they 

534
00:32:21,900 --> 00:32:24,600
actually don't want. 
Yeah, we take junk, huh? 

535
00:32:25,300 --> 00:32:29,300
Mmm. 
So connects Maryland told her 

536
00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:33,400
friends that Joe had the finest 
male body she'd ever seen and 

537
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,200
that Joe brought a great bat to 
the bedroom. 

538
00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:42,500
Oh, little baseball pun there. 
Yeah but she also told her 

539
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:48,300
friend actually he's kind of shy
just like me they saw their 

540
00:32:48,300 --> 00:32:51,000
dating, they met each other. 
Friends and family. 

541
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,600
And they went fishing with 
Maryland's makeup, man. 

542
00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:57,100
But, apparently, both of them 
had like more acquaintances than

543
00:32:57,100 --> 00:32:58,900
friends. 
Some don't know what? 

544
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,500
Thought there was an 
interesting, sometimes, as a 

545
00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:03,300
case for celebrities. 
Yeah. 

546
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,000
Yeah. 
You're everybody's friend. 

547
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:11,900
You're no one's around. 
She feels movie called River of 

548
00:33:11,900 --> 00:33:15,900
No Return in Alberta, Canada, 
and Joe followed her there and 

549
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,000
the Press asked if he was 
visiting his girl and he said 

550
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,900
something like, yes, what? 
The hell's wrong with that? 

551
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,100
He wanted to give her a lot of 
advice to look out for phonies 

552
00:33:30,100 --> 00:33:32,200
and not to tell reporters too 
much. 

553
00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:35,600
But when he's yeah, which I 
think at first, he appreciated, 

554
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,200
but I kind of get the sense that
later on in their relationship. 

555
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,200
She was sick of that. 
So there's this video actually 

556
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,200
that was found in a camera of 
his. 

557
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,200
It's like a home video of 
Maryland. 

558
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,900
Wow, you made. 
And the first shot is like the 

559
00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:54,800
two of them together like 
smiling at the camera and then 

560
00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:58,900
it's shots of Maryland, playing 
golf golf with a friend and 

561
00:33:58,900 --> 00:34:02,900
she's smiling is really cute and
that I want to show you but the 

562
00:34:02,900 --> 00:34:06,200
audio is completely unrelated. 
It's like a radio interview, so 

563
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,500
maybe I'll keep it in. 
I don't know. 

564
00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:09,300
It has nothing to do. 
But she's talking about like 

565
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:19,800
Favorite musicians view, it's 
the people, it's like streets, I

566
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:24,100
guess the people in the streets 
and the atmosphere just like it.

567
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:30,500
The real Scooby-Doo who are your
favorite people? 

568
00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:41,100
Well, my very favorite person 
and I love her as a person, as 

569
00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:43,699
well as a singer. 
I think she's the greatest and 

570
00:34:43,699 --> 00:34:47,400
that's Ella Fitzgerald. 
We've already had people who is 

571
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:54,100
your favorite magazine. 
Well, frankly to say frankerz, 

572
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,200
however, he didn't used to be, 
it's the way he things. 

573
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,000
Now, I know when I was a kid 
and, you know, junior high 

574
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:09,100
school and high school and he 
was sort of Bobby Socks Idol. 

575
00:35:09,500 --> 00:35:12,000
Even though I was in bobby 
socks, he was in my idol. 

576
00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:18,500
It is until recently, I think 
his whole style and I don't 

577
00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:19,900
know. 
There's something has changed 

578
00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:24,300
don't report that the sound that
he makes out the big round. 

579
00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:28,800
What can we use to style? 
It comes to sound like Sammy 

580
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,600
Davis to but Frank style. 
You can feel it, it's not a good

581
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,400
swing, he does my don't know. 
Yeah. 

582
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,400
Her voice like because it's like
a Radio thing, it's like she's 

583
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:46,300
such a fragile voice sounds so 
like dainty. 

584
00:35:46,300 --> 00:35:48,700
And I wonder if that's her real 
voice. 

585
00:35:49,300 --> 00:35:53,000
I feel like sometimes she talks 
a little bit differently. 

586
00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:55,300
Hmm. 
But oh yeah. 

587
00:35:55,300 --> 00:35:58,600
And to prepare for this, I felt 
like I should watch a Marilyn 

588
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,000
Monroe movie because I've never 
seen one. 

589
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,500
So, I did watch one. 
I watched Some, Like It Hot and 

590
00:36:04,500 --> 00:36:07,100
it was silly, but I did really 
enjoy it. 

591
00:36:07,100 --> 00:36:08,900
Actually the last couple of 
times. 

592
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,800
Yeah, it is cute. 
I love to watch it old movie 

593
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,200
like every now and then I feel 
like it's I like how they're not

594
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,300
super fast pace. 
Yeah. 

595
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,200
And so, like it, like slows you 
down. 

596
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,400
It's like comforting. 
Yeah, movies. 

597
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,200
Now, like they just like, jump 
from seem to same way too 

598
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,400
quickly. 
It's true. 

599
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,200
Like, sit there for a second and
let it breathe, you know? 

600
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,200
Yeah, it was funny. 
She was good. 

601
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,100
I mean, she did play kind of a 
ditsy person and I know from my 

602
00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:38,900
research. 
Apparently, she was frustrated 

603
00:36:38,900 --> 00:36:40,700
with that. 
She didn't, like, having all 

604
00:36:40,700 --> 00:36:43,600
those dumb blond roles and she 
wanted to play more serious 

605
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,300
roles. 
But she was, Very captivating on

606
00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:52,300
screen for dresses were really 
Scandal is actually, I was 

607
00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:54,400
thinking during I was like, this
would be a scandal is even today

608
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,400
really? 
Yeah I should watch it. 

609
00:36:57,100 --> 00:37:02,200
It had beads kind of just over 
her chest was on her Pleasant 

610
00:37:03,100 --> 00:37:07,900
and present know what it was. 
It kind of looked like she 

611
00:37:07,900 --> 00:37:11,400
didn't have anything on in a way
but we really have to beat oh 

612
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:16,900
wow this home so dumb but Like 
to say it growing up, I didn't 

613
00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:19,400
even know that she was like, a 
movie star. 

614
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,600
Yeah, I don't know what I 
thought she was. 

615
00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:24,000
Yeah. 
But I didn't know that. 

616
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,700
She was like, actually an 
actress. 

617
00:37:25,700 --> 00:37:27,300
Yeah, she was. 
I know. 

618
00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:30,100
I feel like she just became like
an icon. 

619
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:35,100
Yeah, person that you've seen 
diners and movie theaters and 

620
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:38,500
some, but like, I didn't even 
know, like I know this now and 

621
00:37:38,508 --> 00:37:41,700
I've known it for a while but 
like that, that iconic, white 

622
00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:44,000
dress, that she wears in The 
Seven Year Itch, I just thought 

623
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,100
it was like a dress that He 
likely where yeah, you know, I 

624
00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:49,000
didn't know that. 
That was like from a movie. 

625
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,100
Yeah. 
And like that her hair that that

626
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,300
was not like a hairstyle. 
She always had. 

627
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:02,700
It's cool to learn more about 
these people in 1953. 

628
00:38:03,100 --> 00:38:04,800
She was in this movie called 
Niagara. 

629
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,000
That was a big break for her as 
like a serious movie. 

630
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,400
And then she was in Gentlemen, 
Prefer Blondes, which has the 

631
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,800
song Diamonds? 
Are a Girl's Best Friend, And 

632
00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:20,300
which I had heard before her 
most of her movies musicals. 

633
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,900
I haven't seen them obviously 
all of them. 

634
00:38:25,900 --> 00:38:28,700
She did sing in Some Like It Hot
actually. 

635
00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:31,900
So I don't know. 
I don't think they all were, but

636
00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:33,600
it seems like she did singing a 
lot of them. 

637
00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:38,100
As I said, she wanted to be in 
more serious roles at this 

638
00:38:38,100 --> 00:38:41,000
point, her life, she's starting 
to read like a lot of books and 

639
00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:46,500
poetry, and she wanted to be in 
more complex characters, Joe 

640
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,500
suggested marriage to Marilyn, 
but she was kind of afraid of Of

641
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:57,500
another marriage, she said, no, 
but they spent time apart and 

642
00:38:57,500 --> 00:39:00,700
she missed him so they got back 
together and planned A Wedding 

643
00:39:00,700 --> 00:39:03,400
Date. 
Okay. 

644
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,500
There was a whole thing about 
Joe wanted to get married in the

645
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:11,300
church, but they said, no, 
because he'd gotten divorced or 

646
00:39:11,300 --> 00:39:14,400
something. 
Yeah, and the Archbishop in San 

647
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:19,500
Francisco was like, he hasn't 
been to church lately anyway, so

648
00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:25,200
they didn't have Is waiting. 
Um, I was listening to this 

649
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,300
podcast about her. 
I was like so obsessed recently.

650
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:32,200
Like, I didn't understand why I 
didn't want to even listen to 

651
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,300
anything that wasn't like 
related to Marilyn Monroe. 

652
00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:37,900
I don't know why. 
So I listen to like a couple 

653
00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:41,100
other podcasts about her. 
Yeah, but then you're like, 

654
00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:45,000
method podcast. 
And they were saying something 

655
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,800
about how she they weren't about
her and Joe though. 

656
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,600
So I'm not like just ripping 
them off. 

657
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,900
But they said something about 
how she Had agreed to marry him 

658
00:39:53,300 --> 00:39:56,100
because she felt bad for him. 
And I don't know where they got 

659
00:39:56,100 --> 00:39:58,400
that from. 
And I hope that's not why she 

660
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:03,000
married him. 
No, it sounds like she said. 

661
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:08,200
No because she was scared but 
then obviously he was upset 

662
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,600
about that so they're not going 
to keep dating. 

663
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,800
Yeah. 
But then she missed him as a 

664
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:17,000
partner and as a boyfriend and 
as a lover so she said yes just 

665
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,800
to keep him in her life, right? 
I hope so. 

666
00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:24,800
I mean that's what I would 
assume so they married on 

667
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:29,500
January 14th, 1954 at San 
Francisco City Hall. 

668
00:40:30,500 --> 00:40:33,500
If you live in San Francisco, 
maybe go walk by it and think 

669
00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:36,400
about that. 
Um, when they were pronounced 

670
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,300
man and wife, he took her into 
his arms and kissed her and the 

671
00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:43,400
photographers and newsreel men 
as they called them asked him to

672
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,600
do it again. 
So he did it again and then 

673
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,000
again and then another one. 
So just like kept kissing her 

674
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,400
over and over does In case? 
Yeah, he took Marilyn in his 

675
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,300
arms and hurried down a corridor
and the reporters and 

676
00:40:56,300 --> 00:40:59,400
photographers started chasing 
them, but it was a dead end. 

677
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,300
So they were trapped with the 
Pressed swarming them and they 

678
00:41:02,300 --> 00:41:05,000
like struggles, words, adore, 
and they got out and they just 

679
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,300
skipped their wedding reception 
entirely, my God, sounds like a 

680
00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:15,100
cartoon is crazy. 
So they drove down from San 

681
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:17,800
Frisco to Paso. 
Robles, we, what were they even 

682
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,000
doing in San Francisco? 
Oh, he's from there. 

683
00:41:20,300 --> 00:41:22,800
Oh yeah. 
You're that's it live in New 

684
00:41:22,808 --> 00:41:24,800
York, but he also lived in San 
Francisco. 

685
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,800
So they drove down to Paso 
Robles and they stayed at the 

686
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:32,000
Clifton Hotel. 
It checked in at 8 p.m. and 

687
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,000
apparently didn't leave until 1 
p.m. the following day. 

688
00:41:35,700 --> 00:41:38,400
Yeah, people know that. 
And apparently, yes, they asked 

689
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,700
for a double bed and Joe asked 
for a room with a TV. 

690
00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:47,900
Wow, people are so nosy, they 
know those, the hotel apparently

691
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,400
put up a sign that was like, 
Joan. 

692
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,900
Maryland, stayed here. 
People joked about like, why 

693
00:41:54,900 --> 00:41:59,400
would you ask for a TV on his 
honeymoon with Marilyn, Monroe. 

694
00:41:59,900 --> 00:42:02,600
And later on in their marriage. 
Maryland actually did complain. 

695
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,200
That he watched too much TV, 
really? 

696
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:11,200
Yeah, she's staying, I mean, I 
wouldn't want to TV is going to 

697
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,500
take a shower. 
I'm guessing. 

698
00:42:12,500 --> 00:42:15,100
It's some point, like pop on the
news. 

699
00:42:15,100 --> 00:42:18,400
See, what's going on, true? 
Yeah, I know, I don't think it's

700
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,000
that big of a deal. 
This isn't yours too. 

701
00:42:20,700 --> 00:42:24,400
If you talking about you on the 
TV, you want to make sure that 

702
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:29,000
like they don't know where you 
are, so they stayed in Palm 

703
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,400
Springs for two weeks and then 
they flew to Japan. 

704
00:42:34,300 --> 00:42:35,900
So I guess this is our 
honeymoon. 

705
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:39,400
But not really, because Joe was 
holding baseball clinics there. 

706
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,100
And I read that he started 
telling you what to do. 

707
00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:47,000
Kind of saying things like no 
shopping today, the crowds will 

708
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,600
kill us and she agreed but 
didn't like being told what to 

709
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:51,700
do. 
Hmm. 

710
00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:57,200
And so he is doing his baseball 
clinics in Japan and she got an 

711
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,700
invitation to go to Korea, to 
entertain the US soldiers, that 

712
00:43:01,700 --> 00:43:05,500
were there and Joe couldn't go 
with her. 

713
00:43:05,500 --> 00:43:09,000
So she went without him and it 
was really nice. 

714
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,800
I mean, I watched footage of it,
she performed for them and well,

715
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,700
really great. 
But he was actually asked about 

716
00:43:14,700 --> 00:43:17,300
this in Japan. 
I have like a 10 second clip 

717
00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:20,900
about it. 
If you can understand what he's 

718
00:43:20,900 --> 00:43:23,700
saying. 
This is the man. 

719
00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:27,300
You enjoyed your trip to Japan. 
Well, everything has been fine, 

720
00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:30,400
we've enjoyed our trip. 
The only thing that I have to 

721
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,000
complain about is that I haven't
seen very much of my own and she

722
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,900
is making a trip to Korea 
touring through the camps. 

723
00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:40,100
And so maybe half of that way to
will be able to spend a little 

724
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,300
time together. 
She hasn't seen much Maryland. 

725
00:43:43,300 --> 00:43:44,900
Yeah. 
I was like the only thing I have

726
00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:48,000
to complain about. 
I wonder if he's mad at her or 

727
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,600
he. 
Yeah, I feel like he is. 

728
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,500
Yeah. 
I mean, it's like not like it's 

729
00:43:54,500 --> 00:43:57,800
your honeymoon in Japan. 
Like you're not actually doing 

730
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,400
work there. 
Yeah. 

731
00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:02,500
Like so she had the right to go 
to Korea. 

732
00:44:02,500 --> 00:44:04,000
Yeah, she's like, you're doing 
your thing. 

733
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,300
I'll do my thing. 
Yeah. 

734
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,200
Yeah, I know. 
I think it was totally fine over

735
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,200
to do that. 
Also, she's doing a weird 

736
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,000
country. 
I know. 

737
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:19,100
Yeah. 
Hmm. money hearing his voice 

738
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,400
wall over those one fun only 
thing I have to complain about, 

739
00:44:26,500 --> 00:44:31,200
so As I said, the murders only 
nine months so it didn't take 

740
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,900
long for things to start going 
downhill, seems like they 

741
00:44:33,900 --> 00:44:36,900
already are ya, they were things
start to go wrong. 

742
00:44:36,900 --> 00:44:43,000
He was the she was messy. 
He was repressed, she was not. 

743
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:44,500
Yeah, I don't know how to put 
that. 

744
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,200
Both had a temper. 
I guess both were stars. 

745
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,500
Mmm. 
He wanted those things. 

746
00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:53,600
Don't go well. 
He wanted to live in San 

747
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,200
Francisco. 
She wanted to live in LA, she 

748
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,400
wanted him to do. 
Excitement. 

749
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,900
He does like to watch TV. 
He was possessive, she forged 

750
00:45:03,900 --> 00:45:07,000
with other people. 
She wanted social life. 

751
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,400
He said they had to be careful 
about phonies. 

752
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:15,200
He wasn't disaster. 
How long did they date? 

753
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,000
I found the different two years 
actually. 

754
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,200
Okay. 
Yeah. 

755
00:45:18,500 --> 00:45:20,600
But maybe they didn't see each 
other that much or some they 

756
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,000
didn't live together. 
So I think that they once they 

757
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:28,800
married and then live together 
It just started all these things

758
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,900
became clear. 
Yeah, yeah, whoo. 

759
00:45:31,900 --> 00:45:33,900
That's how people should live 
together before they get 

760
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:37,100
married. 
She talked to, I guess at least 

761
00:45:37,100 --> 00:45:41,400
two people about her 
disappointment in Joe, but on 

762
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,100
the outside, the world was 
calling them like Mr. And Mrs. 

763
00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:51,000
America not everything always 
seems as it appears or not. 

764
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:56,000
Everything always is As It Seems
It really wasn't, I guess he 

765
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,900
would like go cold on her and 
not speak to her for days. 

766
00:45:58,900 --> 00:46:05,100
Sometimes and I read that she 
may or may not have had some 

767
00:46:05,100 --> 00:46:07,800
brief Affairs during her 
marriage to Joe. 

768
00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:15,000
I don't think it's confirmed. 
He said she was away sometimes 

769
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,700
with no explanation and he would
freak out. 

770
00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:22,400
Who did he say this too? 
I don't know his friends. 

771
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:31,200
Who then hold the biography, 
Marilyn said he was insanely 

772
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,900
jealous, but his friend said he 
had good reason. 

773
00:46:34,900 --> 00:46:38,900
Mmm, but I don't think so. 
You don't think so? 

774
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,300
Well, just his behavior later. 
I just don't think it's 

775
00:46:42,300 --> 00:46:45,500
Justified. 
Okay, but I mean you did say 

776
00:46:45,500 --> 00:46:50,200
that she did enjoy sleeping with
married man so that's true. 

777
00:46:50,300 --> 00:46:55,500
I feel like as a married woman, 
would it really stop her from 

778
00:46:56,500 --> 00:46:59,200
having me? 
Yeah. 

779
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,400
I don't think it's like crazy to
think that she would have 

780
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,700
cheated on him because she did 
have affairs when she was 

781
00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:09,500
married to Arthur Miller later 
on. 

782
00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:14,200
Yeah, I mean she probably did 
she don't Joe and like, maybe 

783
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,200
that's why he wasn't even happy 
about Korea. 

784
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,800
Not to give me a pass here, but 
like maybe maybe she was nervous

785
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:24,300
about him her being surrounded 
by all these male soldiers, I 

786
00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:28,000
know. 
And I actually wanted to do her 

787
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:34,300
an Arthur Miller before this. 
It was more my idea than doing 

788
00:47:34,300 --> 00:47:37,700
Joe DiMaggio, because I thought 
it was interesting, like, he's a

789
00:47:37,700 --> 00:47:39,800
writer. 
You know, he wore glasses. 

790
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:40,500
I was like that. 
Yeah. 

791
00:47:40,500 --> 00:47:42,900
Just sitting like, Marilyn 
Monroe with. 

792
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,700
This writer guy, that's 
interesting to me, but that I 

793
00:47:45,700 --> 00:47:48,800
thought I should do Joe first, 
like, I don't know, no one 

794
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:54,000
order. 
Yeah, it is pretty confirm that 

795
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,700
she had affairs with him so I 
don't know, I don't know. 

796
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,400
So this though, we're 
approaching this incident that 

797
00:48:01,900 --> 00:48:05,900
ended their marriage. 
Oh, no Marilyn was filming The 

798
00:48:05,908 --> 00:48:09,900
Seven Year, Itch, the famous 
scene when she's wearing the 

799
00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:12,800
halter dress, she's standing 
over the subgroup. 

800
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,800
So Subway, grate and the dress 
flies. 

801
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:18,200
Yeah. 
And this was so confusing to 

802
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,600
find what happened like to find 
the straight story because 

803
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,100
really, it's written about in 
many different ways. 

804
00:48:25,100 --> 00:48:31,100
But apparently, the studio was 
inviting, press and onlookers to

805
00:48:31,100 --> 00:48:33,900
watch them film this scene as 
publicity. 

806
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,200
Yeah, but I was so confused 
about it because I read in some 

807
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,100
places that it was a publicity 
stunt and some places that it 

808
00:48:41,100 --> 00:48:44,600
was filming and it is confusing 
Because the final scene in the 

809
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,500
movie wasn't filmed on the 
streets in New York, it was 

810
00:48:48,500 --> 00:48:50,600
filmed in a studio but I guess 
it's like reshot it. 

811
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,000
Yeah for publicity. 
So I want to thank you. 

812
00:48:53,008 --> 00:48:55,700
Did it like multiple times so 
everyone was like, oh I was 

813
00:48:55,700 --> 00:48:58,000
there when they filmed that. 
Yeah. 

814
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,500
They want to people, they want 
to generate excitement so they 

815
00:49:00,500 --> 00:49:03,000
invited people to watch them 
film it and on the street, in 

816
00:49:03,008 --> 00:49:06,200
New York and Joe wasn't not 
happy about it. 

817
00:49:07,100 --> 00:49:11,800
He didn't want a crowd of people
watching her Flash, the 

818
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,100
crowd-based, it's only She's a 
saying it. 

819
00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:16,300
I know that's why I was 
wondering like, could you really

820
00:49:16,300 --> 00:49:18,500
have done anything? 
Like told him no. 

821
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:20,100
But she's like owned by the 
studio. 

822
00:49:20,100 --> 00:49:22,700
I know I don't think she would 
have been able to do anything, 

823
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,400
he felt uncomfortable about it 
so I guess there were a bunch of

824
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,300
onlookers and when the dress 
went up someone made some 

825
00:49:29,300 --> 00:49:33,900
comment in like a New York 
accent saying like trees, I 

826
00:49:33,908 --> 00:49:39,400
thought she was a real blond 
apparently. 

827
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:44,300
Her underwear was kind of see 
through something and He know I 

828
00:49:44,300 --> 00:49:50,000
know and he was Furious he 
walked onto the set all pissed 

829
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,600
off and apparently had Maryland 
change into less see-through 

830
00:49:53,600 --> 00:50:00,100
Underpants and this is what's 
like really sad for me to say 

831
00:50:00,300 --> 00:50:03,700
I'm sorry ma'am but later that 
night at the hotel they had like

832
00:50:03,700 --> 00:50:07,400
a huge fight about it and people
could hear them yelling and 

833
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,000
fighting and apparently Shield 
like bruises on her arms next 

834
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,400
day. 
Oh no. 

835
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,600
That's really sad. 
He's fuck him. 

836
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,700
No seriously it's all her fault.
What the hell? 

837
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,600
It's so it's really her job that
she had to do. 

838
00:50:28,300 --> 00:50:31,000
And I feel bad because I know 
you on the show were like we're 

839
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:32,200
not going to do love you so 
much. 

840
00:50:32,300 --> 00:50:37,400
Well, like if we uncover 
something Young cover it, I have

841
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:41,600
also say about that. 
Also, it's so bad like the 

842
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,200
unfortunate thing is like that 
kind of stuff happen all the 

843
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:48,100
time, it did for a cup for in 
relationships, it back then. 

844
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,600
That's why I said to you this is
our Drake and Rihanna. 

845
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,600
Yeah, by the way, we talked 
about this, I was like what if 

846
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,300
we uncover it because I do want 
to do some older people, People 

847
00:50:57,300 --> 00:51:02,500
from like the 20s before I want 
to do, like, F Scott Fitzgerald 

848
00:51:02,500 --> 00:51:04,000
and Zelda because they seem 
cool. 

849
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,100
Yeah. 
I was wondering like, I feel 

850
00:51:06,100 --> 00:51:08,600
like a lot of men hit their 
wives back, then they did, they 

851
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,900
did. 
So, in the thing is, we talked 

852
00:51:10,900 --> 00:51:13,700
about this because I said I 
wanted to do Rihanna, but I 

853
00:51:13,700 --> 00:51:16,900
didn't want to do Rihanna and 
Chris Brown and I didn't want to

854
00:51:16,908 --> 00:51:23,100
make it seem like we were Making
light of it or and sizing it, 

855
00:51:23,300 --> 00:51:25,400
but I think the difference is 
going to don't want to seem like

856
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,400
a hypocrite is that like, all we
know about Chris Brown and 

857
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,900
Rihanna is that? 
And then to cover them would be 

858
00:51:30,900 --> 00:51:32,800
kind of like, but here's the 
rest of the story. 

859
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,000
Yeah. 
Whereas I feel like Marilyn and 

860
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,000
Joe people don't really know 
anything and if they do, they 

861
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,700
only know about like the 
flowers. 

862
00:51:39,700 --> 00:51:43,800
He sent her grave or something. 
So I don't know. 

863
00:51:44,300 --> 00:51:48,000
It is unfortunate though. 
I think also like it's really 

864
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,600
unfortunate but there is an 
underlying Standing that that 

865
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,800
stuff unfortunately was so 
common back then and it doesn't 

866
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,400
make it right. 
But like it's going to be hard 

867
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,500
to cover. 
Couples that I know really far 

868
00:52:01,500 --> 00:52:04,000
back enough. 
Like we're gonna unfortunately, 

869
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,300
uncover all that stuff all the 
time and it doesn't I think, do 

870
00:52:07,300 --> 00:52:10,100
anybody any justice to just like
pretend like it didn't happen by

871
00:52:10,100 --> 00:52:13,200
not covering those couples but I
don't want to. 

872
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,800
There's there's such a like 
plethora of relationships, 

873
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,000
modern-day couples that, we 
Could come? 

874
00:52:20,100 --> 00:52:22,200
I'm not gonna waste a second, 
I'm stupid. 

875
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:27,500
Chris Brown or like, yeah, any 
other like abusers from from 

876
00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:29,900
today? 
But that's what he said. 

877
00:52:29,900 --> 00:52:32,600
Yeah, I've like seen. 
Like, I remember watching like 

878
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,000
buying or something like one 
point. 

879
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,400
I was like, like, I miss, like, 
1950s couples. 

880
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,600
Like I like romanticizes like, 
no. 

881
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,500
It's like, it's like husbands 
would be their wives for, like 

882
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:47,300
not making their dinner, right? 
So even all these videos I've 

883
00:52:47,300 --> 00:52:51,000
been watching of Maryland, 
Marilyn and Joe, there are a lot

884
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,200
of people in the comments that 
are like, I wish I was there. 

885
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:58,200
I wish I was born back then. 
You know, like and then people 

886
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,900
respond, he literally beat her 
whatever. 

887
00:53:00,900 --> 00:53:04,900
Like yeah, I don't know the 
extent like this is people say 

888
00:53:04,900 --> 00:53:07,400
this happened. 
I don't know if it happened 

889
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,900
again. 
Mmm, but I'm really proud of my 

890
00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:11,900
own because she left him after 
that. 

891
00:53:11,900 --> 00:53:16,600
Good, yeah, good yeah, yeah she 
did. 

892
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,200
And actually to your point I 
like copy pasted this random 

893
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,700
Comment from somebody. 
That said what you were saying 

894
00:53:23,300 --> 00:53:27,200
unfortunately, those were the 
times back then, Joe DiMaggio 

895
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,900
probably wash his own mother. 
Get treated the same way, didn't

896
00:53:30,900 --> 00:53:33,200
know any better. 
Remember, America's favorite TV 

897
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,000
show The Honeymooners? 
What do you think? 

898
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,700
The biggest laugh was about one 
of these days. 

899
00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:41,100
Alice one of these days, the guy
like raises his hand. 

900
00:53:41,500 --> 00:53:46,600
Oh really like is it was a joke?
Yeah like the he's gonna hit her

901
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,400
one of these days so I mean, it 
probably happened in like 

902
00:53:52,300 --> 00:53:57,700
everybody's on family, to be 
honest with you, they're our 

903
00:53:57,700 --> 00:54:01,400
family under the bus, but so 
yeah, he apologized. 

904
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,700
But she said it was too late and
she felt for divorce October, 

905
00:54:05,700 --> 00:54:08,900
1954 sighting, only mental 
cruelty. 

906
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,900
Hmm. 
For some reason, she had a 

907
00:54:11,900 --> 00:54:15,300
public announcement about it in 
front of her house, which seems 

908
00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:17,900
unnecessary. 
Yeah, there was like footage and

909
00:54:17,900 --> 00:54:19,900
images of her looking really. 
Sad. 

910
00:54:19,900 --> 00:54:23,400
I mean maybe like I mean 
nowadays like people have so 

911
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,900
many other means of like 
communicating. 

912
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,400
Yeah. 
Stuff like that. 

913
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,600
Consciously up uncoupling radio 
it TV. 

914
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,800
Yeah, that's true, this area. 
But they did that for some 

915
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,800
reason there were like 100 
Paparazzi and journalists 

916
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,800
outside their house. 
Joe took his things downstairs 

917
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,900
and she stayed upstairs and 
plan. 

918
00:54:43,900 --> 00:54:45,500
Was that he's gonna move out 
tomorrow? 

919
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,100
Just crazy to me. 
It's like they were trapped in 

920
00:54:48,100 --> 00:54:50,700
the house together. 
Put the heck. 

921
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:57,700
So she told her friend for the 
book Marilyn Monroe, the 

922
00:54:57,700 --> 00:55:00,600
biography. 
She said, Joe didn't like the 

923
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,000
woman I played, he thought they 
were sluts. 

924
00:55:03,500 --> 00:55:05,400
I don't know what movies you it 
was thinking about. 

925
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,100
He didn't like the actors 
kissing me and he didn't like my

926
00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:11,000
costumes, he didn't like 
anything about my movies, and he

927
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,600
hated all my clothes. 
When I told him I had to dress 

928
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,500
the way I did, it was part of my
job. 

929
00:55:15,500 --> 00:55:18,100
He said I should quit that job. 
But who did he think he was 

930
00:55:18,100 --> 00:55:20,400
marrying when he was married? 
Being me exact. 

931
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,800
She's an actress. 
You idiot. 

932
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:27,200
I'd be like if she's like, if he
was still playing ball, I hate 

933
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,900
baseball so much. 
I don't like you playing as you 

934
00:55:29,900 --> 00:55:34,700
want when you have to run around
and I don't know. 

935
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,700
Maybe you thought you could take
less seductive rolls. 

936
00:55:39,700 --> 00:55:42,100
Yeah. 
But I mean, I was even stay on 

937
00:55:42,100 --> 00:55:44,000
the road. 
Yeah, I was thinking about it 

938
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,300
though. 
Like, you know, like even 

939
00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:47,300
talking about that iconic 
costume. 

940
00:55:47,300 --> 00:55:49,100
Yeah, I'm from The Seven Year, 
Itch. 

941
00:55:49,500 --> 00:55:52,500
How if someone were to dress up 
in that costume? 

942
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,700
They would be like I'm Marilyn 
Monroe for Halloween? 

943
00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:58,400
Yeah, no one would say, I'm 
whatever the character's name 

944
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,700
was in that movie. 
But, like so many other movies, 

945
00:56:01,700 --> 00:56:06,600
like, if you dress up as, I 
don't know, Chucky like, yeah, 

946
00:56:07,100 --> 00:56:08,500
who's the always? 
That's it. 

947
00:56:08,500 --> 00:56:15,300
I think, I animatronic, she 
dressed is the character Ponder.

948
00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:19,000
Yeah, they didn't Radcliffe. 
Yeah, but like people for some 

949
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,800
reason. 
Even can't separate Marilyn 

950
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,000
Monroe from the characters that 
she played. 

951
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,300
That's true. 
And so like, in my head like, 

952
00:56:25,300 --> 00:56:29,000
yeah, she play Dad, it's a 
bimbo, not that. 

953
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:30,500
That's what people would call 
it. 

954
00:56:30,500 --> 00:56:33,900
Yeah. 
She wasn't happy about it. 

955
00:56:33,900 --> 00:56:37,600
Yeah, so people think of her 
that way, do ya? 

956
00:56:37,700 --> 00:56:40,800
And I don't think she was really
that way. 

957
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,700
Yeah also I want to apologize 
because I like laughs really 

958
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:49,800
like at the I thought she was a 
real one but because it Accent 

959
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,000
was funny. 
Not because I think it's really 

960
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,100
mean that someone said that it's
sad. 

961
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:59,500
He's really mean the book was 
like, and this was his wife or 

962
00:56:59,500 --> 00:57:07,100
whatever, just how Pissed. 
He was to here and yeah he 

963
00:57:07,100 --> 00:57:10,000
definitely was insecure and it's
just so crazy to think about, I 

964
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,000
mean, who knows what he would 
say, publicly, maybe you would 

965
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,100
say, like, I'm fine with it. 
But it's just interesting to 

966
00:57:15,100 --> 00:57:19,400
contrast like, we had that 
episode about Penn Badgley Blake

967
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,700
Lively and he said, kissing 
other actors. 

968
00:57:22,700 --> 00:57:24,600
There's no big deal. 
It's fine. 

969
00:57:24,700 --> 00:57:26,800
Yeah. 
Apparently some people can't 

970
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,200
handle it. 
No, he is one of them. 

971
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,800
It's been said that like he 
wanted to have more of a 

972
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:36,800
stay-at-home Wife or she wanted 
a fun and spontaneous husband 

973
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,800
and both of them were just not 
suited for that. 

974
00:57:41,300 --> 00:57:43,200
No. 
Good for her though for leaving?

975
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,200
Yeah, this is it this is not 
working out. 

976
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:50,700
Yeah, I know. 
Why do people marry people that 

977
00:57:51,100 --> 00:57:57,200
are like literally the opposite?
I know they really probably 

978
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,300
should discuss what they wanted 
out of this marriage beforehand.

979
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,800
You know maybe I was wondering 
the maybe she just kind of lied 

980
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,100
to maybe she didn't feel 
comfortable. 

981
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,900
Saying she would be what he 
expected, you know what I mean? 

982
00:58:11,900 --> 00:58:13,500
Or maybe she thought, she could 
be what he expects. 

983
00:58:13,500 --> 00:58:16,600
Yeah. 
And maybe she didn't know, I 

984
00:58:16,607 --> 00:58:19,000
know they should have talked 
about it, we really don't know. 

985
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,400
But it seems like it was kind of
an emotional move to get 

986
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:22,600
married. 
Hmm. 

987
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,300
How did they have a long 
engagement? 

988
00:58:24,700 --> 00:58:27,100
I don't think so. 
Yeah, it's usually they didn't 

989
00:58:27,100 --> 00:58:28,400
really think it through. 
Yeah. 

990
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,700
Like it seems like like I said 
they broke up because he wanted 

991
00:58:32,700 --> 00:58:36,000
to get married. 
And so that was the 

992
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,900
Deal-breaker. 
Yeah we get married or we break 

993
00:58:40,900 --> 00:58:41,500
up. 
Yeah. 

994
00:58:41,500 --> 00:58:42,900
So she got married. 
Yeah. 

995
00:58:43,500 --> 00:58:45,600
Yep. 
It sounds like it. 

996
00:58:46,300 --> 00:58:47,900
They're only married for nine 
months. 

997
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:52,900
Wow what's odd? 
Is he accompanied her to The 

998
00:58:52,900 --> 00:58:57,300
Seven Year Itch Premiere after 
their divorce in 1955? 

999
00:58:57,300 --> 00:59:00,700
There's like a video of it was 
like commercial, do you think 

1000
00:59:00,700 --> 00:59:03,700
they were still hooking up? 
Maybe. 

1001
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,900
A popular Broadway, New York 
theater, radiates glamour for 

1002
00:59:11,900 --> 00:59:14,700
the sneak preview of the 
cinemascope version of The Seven

1003
00:59:14,700 --> 00:59:16,900
Year Itch, and the birthday of 
its star. 

1004
00:59:17,300 --> 00:59:20,700
The incomparable Marilyn Monroe,
who Thrills the theatrical 

1005
00:59:20,700 --> 00:59:23,600
district with a personal 
appearance, escorted by the 

1006
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:27,200
great Joe DiMaggio. 
Miss Monroe wears a short tight 

1007
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,600
fitting evening dress, molded to
the figure with the popular 

1008
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:35,400
v-neckline, a vision of delight.
Vision of delight. 

1009
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:37,500
He does the kind of handsome 
there. 

1010
00:59:37,500 --> 00:59:39,200
We were discussing. 
We just went out to dinner 

1011
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,500
before recording this, that he 
and pictures. 

1012
00:59:42,500 --> 00:59:49,100
Like he's kind of ugly hot. 
I was saying I thought he was 

1013
00:59:49,100 --> 00:59:50,100
attracted. 
Actually. 

1014
00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:54,800
I can see coming, he's tall. 
He's got the slicked hair, you 

1015
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:56,700
do. 
He's kind of attractive. 

1016
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,400
Looks better as I said, like in 
video real life. 

1017
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,300
Mmm, pictures. 
Yeah, I got his baseball card is

1018
01:00:03,300 --> 01:00:07,400
not cute. 
He got better with a Dye would 

1019
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:11,300
say it's interesting but see, I 
was wondering because you guys 

1020
01:00:11,300 --> 01:00:15,000
know how Kim Kardashian wore the
Marilyn Monroe dress. 

1021
01:00:15,100 --> 01:00:16,700
Yeah. 
And she was accompanied to the 

1022
01:00:16,700 --> 01:00:20,600
Met Gala by another famously 
ugly hot guy. 

1023
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,600
Pete Davidson was that, like, 
just your opinion, man? 

1024
01:00:24,700 --> 01:00:27,700
Well, I do think Pete Davidson 
is really hot. 

1025
01:00:27,700 --> 01:00:30,500
I'm sorry. 
I think he's hot, but people 

1026
01:00:30,500 --> 01:00:33,800
would call him Ugly Heart of 
unique faces. 

1027
01:00:33,900 --> 01:00:37,200
Yeah, unique racism. 
When I say ugly, I think I look 

1028
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:43,100
like be Davidson. 
I think, Kelly and I look ugly 

1029
01:00:43,100 --> 01:00:47,400
hot. 
No, ugly. 

1030
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:53,400
I do think we are hot but he 
when I don't wear makeup, I 

1031
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:57,700
really look like him. 
I think he has an interesting 

1032
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,200
look. 
I mean I think he was a jerk. 

1033
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,100
Obviously I'm not trying to like
do you guys see my forever? 

1034
01:01:03,100 --> 01:01:07,700
But I I don't know. 
I'm just feel like Lana Lang too

1035
01:01:07,700 --> 01:01:09,700
carried away. 
Like all those ugly? 

1036
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,200
I don't know. 
I don't think we are ugly hot. 

1037
01:01:13,300 --> 01:01:14,500
What does it matter? 
What you say? 

1038
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,500
I don't care. 
We're gonna like, offend our 

1039
01:01:20,500 --> 01:01:22,300
listeners were saying we're 
ugly. 

1040
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,500
It's like, I'm literally being 
like, more, like, apologetic to 

1041
01:01:27,500 --> 01:01:32,200
ourselves, and to these actual 
people, but it's just like, a 

1042
01:01:32,207 --> 01:01:33,800
known thing that like, people 
say this. 

1043
01:01:33,900 --> 01:01:37,200
About these people and I don't I
do find Pete Davidson very 

1044
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:41,900
attractive but Joe DiMaggio. 
It does seem like he becomes an 

1045
01:01:41,900 --> 01:01:46,300
acquired taste. 
Yeah, he is. 

1046
01:01:46,300 --> 01:01:53,400
Well, I would say, I do find him
to be attractive and in a way I 

1047
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,300
find him and I'm not excusing 
his behavior guys, I'm just 

1048
01:01:56,300 --> 01:01:59,500
talking about, looks I find him 
more attractive than someone 

1049
01:01:59,500 --> 01:02:05,900
like Ryan Reynolds. 
Hitting on him because he's just

1050
01:02:05,900 --> 01:02:08,500
like plain to me and I don't 
think. 

1051
01:02:08,500 --> 01:02:13,900
Yeah, I completely do you. 
And I'm so sorry guys, but we 

1052
01:02:13,900 --> 01:02:18,000
keep talking about your child 
has, he's obviously, yeah, which

1053
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,400
makes him that interesting less.
Hi. 

1054
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,200
Yeah, it's not unique in any 
way. 

1055
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:29,600
Yeah, sorry Ryan but Robert 
Pattinson. 

1056
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:34,400
He I mean he's he's beautiful. 
He's obviously hot but in a way 

1057
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:38,600
that's not a little unusual. 
It's unusual. 

1058
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,200
Yeah. 
A little unusual. 

1059
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,100
But if you look at him like 
yeah, it's hot and there's no 

1060
01:02:43,100 --> 01:02:46,100
debating but not, everyone loves
about repentance. 

1061
01:02:46,100 --> 01:02:48,500
Look. 
Yeah, it's your my mom doesn't 

1062
01:02:48,500 --> 01:02:52,400
really care for him but I guess 
there's like different is you 

1063
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,700
sometimes like someone just has 
something a little bit different

1064
01:02:54,700 --> 01:02:57,200
about the way that in which they
are attractive. 

1065
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,400
And that can be Peeling. 
Yeah, I also do think there's 

1066
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:04,400
also something to be said to 
about the fact that he is from 

1067
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:08,100
like a different generation and 
it's just like, guys don't do 

1068
01:03:08,100 --> 01:03:10,600
their hair like that anymore. 
Yeah, just like that anymore. 

1069
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,800
So, there's something like a 
little attractive about it now. 

1070
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:14,000
True, you know? 
Yeah. 

1071
01:03:14,500 --> 01:03:18,300
Like I wonder like how he would 
be groomed today and if he'd 

1072
01:03:18,300 --> 01:03:22,400
still be an attractive, because 
he has that, like, classic look.

1073
01:03:23,100 --> 01:03:26,100
I wonder, I wonder. 
Did you ever have a beard? 

1074
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,500
I don't think so. 
So I think I ever saw pictures 

1075
01:03:29,500 --> 01:03:33,200
of him at the beard, you 
supposed to have supposedly, 

1076
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,800
always kind of dressed up. 
I don't know, like, what are you

1077
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:37,100
look as though? 
Wicked old man. 

1078
01:03:37,100 --> 01:03:39,700
He had, he looks horribly like 
white hair. 

1079
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,700
Mmm, I mean, I was, he looked a 
little older, but crazy. 

1080
01:03:43,700 --> 01:03:46,000
We could have met him. 
I know we could have when I 

1081
01:03:46,008 --> 01:03:48,500
would've been like five or 
something, I wouldn't work at 

1082
01:03:48,500 --> 01:03:50,500
all. 
Yeah. 

1083
01:03:50,500 --> 01:03:53,200
But somebody in our life could 
have met him. 

1084
01:03:53,900 --> 01:03:59,700
Um, it's supposedly after this. 
Send it Joe. 

1085
01:04:01,100 --> 01:04:05,500
Did go to therapy after this and
quit drinking and expanded his 

1086
01:04:05,500 --> 01:04:06,900
interests. 
Whatever. 

1087
01:04:06,900 --> 01:04:10,600
That means she also started 
going to therapy, Marilyn wanted

1088
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,300
to have more hits after her 
marriage to Joe. 

1089
01:04:13,300 --> 01:04:16,200
She was in Some Like It Hot like
I mentioned earlier, the movie, 

1090
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:21,600
The Misfits that was written by 
the playwright Arthur Miller who

1091
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,700
she married and she was with 
him. 

1092
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,500
For a couple years. 
And I think she actually had 

1093
01:04:28,500 --> 01:04:31,600
some good years. 
They're like, it seems like she 

1094
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:36,200
was making audit, new friends, 
and was learning like, method, 

1095
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,000
acting, and learning, taking 
acting lessons to become more 

1096
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:40,400
serious. 
And she made friends with all 

1097
01:04:40,408 --> 01:04:42,400
these, like, poets, and writers 
and stuff. 

1098
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,700
And I think her life did go up 
there a little bit. 

1099
01:04:45,700 --> 01:04:49,000
That's good. 
Yeah, I mean from outside, 

1100
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:54,700
that's what it seems like. 
Yeah, but her marriage to Arthur

1101
01:04:54,700 --> 01:04:56,900
Miller start. 
Declining. 

1102
01:04:56,900 --> 01:05:00,600
And then was ending in 1960. 
Joe and Marilyn got back in 

1103
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:02,200
touch. 
Okay. 

1104
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,800
So they didn't stay in touch 
throughout her marriage. 

1105
01:05:05,100 --> 01:05:08,300
I, I don't think so. 
I think they did have first, but

1106
01:05:08,300 --> 01:05:10,300
then, they didn't. 
They didn't talk for like, five 

1107
01:05:10,300 --> 01:05:13,900
years or something. 
Um, at this point. 

1108
01:05:13,900 --> 01:05:17,300
Sadly, she had been struggling 
with alcohol addiction and to 

1109
01:05:17,300 --> 01:05:22,100
taking a lot of pills to help 
her sleep mostly, and it was 

1110
01:05:22,100 --> 01:05:25,500
really messing with her work. 
I guess she was really Ali, 

1111
01:05:25,500 --> 01:05:28,200
groggy and tired in the morning 
and she couldn't remember what 

1112
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:31,500
was done it rehearsals and the 
day before and it was just 

1113
01:05:31,500 --> 01:05:35,600
messing with her life, which is 
stressing her out and she had 

1114
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:40,800
had a fling with Frank Sinatra. 
And as many people have probably

1115
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:46,200
heard supposedly maybe a fling 
with John and Kennedy. 

1116
01:05:46,300 --> 01:05:51,100
Hmm, I don't know, some people 
say they might have only met 

1117
01:05:51,100 --> 01:05:55,400
like a couple times. 
Some historian guy said they 

1118
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,900
might have had one sleepover. 
I don't know where they're 

1119
01:05:57,900 --> 01:06:02,900
getting this deformation from. 
But yeah, she had kind of had a 

1120
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,000
at the end of her marriage to 
Arthur Miller. 

1121
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,700
I feel like things started to 
get a little crazy when she was 

1122
01:06:07,700 --> 01:06:12,200
interviewed in 1960 and she 
talked about Joe I'm gonna play 

1123
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,400
that. 
It seems like at this time to 

1124
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:18,900
her, Fame has probably become so
much bigger than yeah. 

1125
01:06:19,300 --> 01:06:25,700
Like is even possible for 
someone to live with, it's true.

1126
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:29,500
Okay. 
So this is her talking about Joe

1127
01:06:29,500 --> 01:06:34,100
in 1960 at away, difficult and 
building. 

1128
01:06:34,100 --> 01:06:37,400
He was wonderful athletes and 
you could hear the baseball 

1129
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,500
anything from his Direction, he 
can get his hips. 

1130
01:06:40,900 --> 01:06:49,900
So, He understood. 
Some things about me and I 

1131
01:06:49,900 --> 01:06:54,900
understood something about him 
and we based our marriage and I 

1132
01:06:54,900 --> 01:07:04,800
say something. 
Well, I don't want to say that. 

1133
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:11,300
I don't think we understand some
things about you, he has very 

1134
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,700
sensitive nature. 
In many respects, no, one thinks

1135
01:07:15,700 --> 01:07:22,500
of an acid me being, I don't 
know, not having that, but this 

1136
01:07:23,100 --> 01:07:28,500
may do a marriage. 
Wasn't happy, one it and using 

1137
01:07:29,900 --> 01:07:37,700
nine months. 
Seriously and at the end, she 

1138
01:07:37,700 --> 01:07:40,400
was like I don't know what else 
to say, hmm. 

1139
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,500
I mean if it's interesting 
because at first when she's 

1140
01:07:45,500 --> 01:07:49,900
talking about him, she's 
describing what everybody else 

1141
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,000
already knows about him. 
Like he could hit a baseball. 

1142
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:54,500
He was a really good baseball 
player. 

1143
01:07:54,500 --> 01:07:58,400
Like yeah, everybody knows that.
But then she starts like slowly 

1144
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,600
getting into like, more personal
things that like not. 

1145
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:03,600
Yeah. 
Everybody else would know. 

1146
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:07,500
Like yeah, he was really 
sensitive and like our marriage 

1147
01:08:07,500 --> 01:08:09,700
like wasn't good but like I 
think she pulls back on that 

1148
01:08:09,700 --> 01:08:11,500
she's like, well, you guys know 
like it ended. 

1149
01:08:11,500 --> 01:08:16,600
And I'm honestly, she said kind 
of reluctant to like, yeah, me 

1150
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:20,100
too personal. 
She said, I said we based our 

1151
01:08:20,100 --> 01:08:23,100
marriage on some things and I 
say some things. 

1152
01:08:23,700 --> 01:08:28,200
Well, I don't want to say that. 
Yeah, she's very careful. 

1153
01:08:28,300 --> 01:08:32,000
Yeah, I think her words and that
clip. 

1154
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:36,399
Um, it's like over a video of 
her. 

1155
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,200
Yeah. 
Joe, the winner camera always 

1156
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:43,800
like pans into like your legs or
her, by or her boobs. 

1157
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:47,000
Is really a fencing. 
Know, it's crazy. 

1158
01:08:47,100 --> 01:08:50,600
Like the, the video from The 
Seven Year Itch Premier, the 

1159
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:55,100
camera just goes right. 
Yeah, seriously. 

1160
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:59,700
Okay, I mean, it's like, she 
literally is like, being told 

1161
01:08:59,700 --> 01:09:01,899
Time and Time Again by everybody
that like, she doesn't matter. 

1162
01:09:01,899 --> 01:09:06,500
But Sides like, mmm. 
What she can offer sexually. 

1163
01:09:07,100 --> 01:09:09,700
It's just like you can see in 
every single like way. 

1164
01:09:09,700 --> 01:09:11,500
Why she struggled? 
So much know. 

1165
01:09:11,700 --> 01:09:14,500
You can see it is tragic. 
Hmm. 

1166
01:09:15,500 --> 01:09:21,600
Christmas Eve. 1968, she noted 
in a letter to someone that Joe 

1167
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:25,399
had sent her a forest full of 
poinsettias along with a card 

1168
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:26,899
reading. 
Best Joe. 

1169
01:09:27,700 --> 01:09:32,300
Hmm, was he trying to get back 
together? 

1170
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,000
I'm not sure at this point what 
he's trying to do but I think he

1171
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:39,399
did try to. 
Yeah, so Marilyn started 

1172
01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:43,500
struggling with the medication. 
She was on the pills just taking

1173
01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:48,399
and and she was having some 
mental health issues and was 

1174
01:09:48,399 --> 01:09:50,800
checked into the Payne Whitney 
psychiatric. 

1175
01:09:50,899 --> 01:09:55,800
Psychiatry clinic in Manhattan 
and she was apparently locked in

1176
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:59,500
a padded room against her will 
and was treated like really 

1177
01:09:59,500 --> 01:10:01,700
horribly there. 
My God, that's kind of our 

1178
01:10:01,700 --> 01:10:03,500
nature. 
So she called some of her 

1179
01:10:03,500 --> 01:10:06,300
friends but they didn't do 
anything or they couldn't help 

1180
01:10:06,300 --> 01:10:10,100
or something. 
Then she called Joe and he flew 

1181
01:10:10,100 --> 01:10:13,900
to New York from is either 
California or Florida. 

1182
01:10:13,900 --> 01:10:17,200
I'm not sure. 
But it was one of those and he 

1183
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:20,600
moved her to a better place and 
cuz I think he just went in 

1184
01:10:20,608 --> 01:10:23,400
there and like made all these 
demands and he was Joe DiMaggio.

1185
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:25,900
I don't know. 
So he was able to get her moved 

1186
01:10:25,900 --> 01:10:28,200
somewhere better and he visited 
her every day. 

1187
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:33,200
She was there for three weeks. 
Then after that, she went to 

1188
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:36,500
Florida for spring training with
him because he was a batting 

1189
01:10:36,500 --> 01:10:39,200
coach and that year at the 
Oscars. 

1190
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,500
Bob, Hope dedicated the song 
second time around to them. 

1191
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:44,700
So people thought they were 
getting back together but 

1192
01:10:44,700 --> 01:10:46,100
Marilyn said they were just 
friends. 

1193
01:10:46,100 --> 01:10:50,900
Hmm, I don't know. 
They stayed in contact a lot. 

1194
01:10:50,900 --> 01:10:55,300
I guess I I don't really know 
what was going on with them 

1195
01:10:55,300 --> 01:10:58,700
because I feel like she was kind
of seeing other people too but 

1196
01:10:58,700 --> 01:11:03,600
they definitely were talking a 
lot and then he even lent her 

1197
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,900
money to buy her final home in 
Brentwood. 

1198
01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:11,100
You loaned her five thousand 
dollars, which today is fifty 

1199
01:11:11,100 --> 01:11:12,800
thousand dollars to make the 
down payment. 

1200
01:11:13,500 --> 01:11:19,000
Oh wow. 
You know so on August 1st 1962, 

1201
01:11:19,100 --> 01:11:21,900
apparently, he told someone that
he was going to ask Marilyn to 

1202
01:11:21,900 --> 01:11:28,600
marry him again but that's 
stupid, you know, but sadly she 

1203
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:35,700
was dead four days later. 
Oh my God, I'm sorry guys. 

1204
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:41,500
He must have been crushed. 
I know he was, she's found dead 

1205
01:11:41,500 --> 01:11:46,000
in her apartment. 
On August 4th 1962 and 

1206
01:11:46,100 --> 01:11:47,700
something. 
Sometimes I'm like, is this 

1207
01:11:47,700 --> 01:11:49,600
true? 
Like it seems almost too perfect

1208
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:53,900
or to Fantastical but there 
wasn't unfinished letter to him 

1209
01:11:54,500 --> 01:11:57,100
beside her for. 
She was lying. 

1210
01:11:57,100 --> 01:12:03,000
She had over to overdosed on 
nembutal pills which were 

1211
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:07,700
something she'd been prescribed.
The thing is I didn't really 

1212
01:12:07,700 --> 01:12:10,500
know this. 
There's a lot of debate about 

1213
01:12:10,500 --> 01:12:15,800
how she actually died. 
Mmm, Um, and I'm sorry if this 

1214
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:21,000
is really really dark. 
But yeah, like trigger warning. 

1215
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:25,700
Yes. 
Oh, yeah, for suicide and they 

1216
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:31,200
drug overdoses. 
She was, it was ruled a suicide 

1217
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:34,700
by the police and in the papers 
but I kind of thought that was 

1218
01:12:34,700 --> 01:12:36,200
it and that's what was in the 
book. 

1219
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:40,000
But a lot of people say, they 
don't think that's what 

1220
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,100
happened. 
They think it was an accident. 

1221
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,300
Hmm. 
That and it is interesting 

1222
01:12:44,300 --> 01:12:48,600
because apparently she was being
prescribed different medications

1223
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,900
from different doctors that were
not communicating with each 

1224
01:12:51,900 --> 01:12:54,500
other, which is crazy. 
But like, she had a psychiatrist

1225
01:12:54,500 --> 01:12:56,700
and like, another doctor that 
we're giving her things. 

1226
01:12:56,900 --> 01:12:59,700
Oh God. 
And I guess she had been off 

1227
01:12:59,700 --> 01:13:02,400
something for a long time. 
Then she went back on it. 

1228
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:05,800
So her tolerance may have been 
way lower than what she 

1229
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:11,500
remembered the and A lot of 
people think it wasn't an 

1230
01:13:11,508 --> 01:13:15,900
accident and some people would 
even say like she wouldn't have 

1231
01:13:15,900 --> 01:13:18,700
done that, like mean some people
even say it sounds kind of 

1232
01:13:18,700 --> 01:13:21,300
funny, but like they said her 
Roots were showing, like she 

1233
01:13:21,300 --> 01:13:24,600
wouldn't have committed suicide 
with her Roots showing like she 

1234
01:13:24,608 --> 01:13:27,400
wouldn't want people to see her 
that way. 

1235
01:13:27,500 --> 01:13:31,900
Or I don't know me, she usually,
like to look done up, I don't 

1236
01:13:31,900 --> 01:13:33,700
know. 
People said she wanted done and 

1237
01:13:33,700 --> 01:13:36,700
I guess she was clutching the 
telephone when she was found, 

1238
01:13:36,700 --> 01:13:40,000
which makes it really tragic. 
It's really tragic, because it's

1239
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:41,700
like, we're trying to call 
somebody. 

1240
01:13:41,700 --> 01:13:43,400
I know like for help or 
something. 

1241
01:13:43,400 --> 01:13:47,500
Yeah, and then kind of similar 
to Diana. 

1242
01:13:47,700 --> 01:13:50,600
There's another group of people 
that think she was murdered. 

1243
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:56,400
I know people get all into it. 
There's something weird about 

1244
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,800
her maid that found her but she 
wasn't supposed to be there 

1245
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:04,400
because she was fired or 
something and I'll get him to 

1246
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:08,400
that actually a little bit later
but it is it is really sad and 

1247
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:12,800
she had seen her therapist 
actually 28 times in the last 34

1248
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:16,500
days of her life so she was 
struggling. 

1249
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:20,600
Yeah unfortunately stuff like 
that like you can really just 

1250
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:23,300
never know. 
I mean like if it's obvious 

1251
01:14:23,300 --> 01:14:25,800
yeah, but it wasn't obvious. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1252
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:29,200
Also, if there was a letter next
to her half Written Letter to do

1253
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,700
that, she didn't finish like I 
feel like if she was like, 

1254
01:14:31,900 --> 01:14:35,300
trying to die. 
Yeah, would have been finished. 

1255
01:14:35,300 --> 01:14:37,900
I know you would think so. 
But yeah, I don't know. 

1256
01:14:37,900 --> 01:14:43,600
I mean, we can never know. 
That's really sad. 

1257
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:51,500
How old was she? 
She was she was 36 years old. 

1258
01:14:51,500 --> 01:14:56,400
My God. 
I know so young adjectives. 

1259
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:58,500
How old was Joe? 
At this time. 

1260
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:02,700
He was 48. 
Okay, yeah, he must have been 

1261
01:15:02,700 --> 01:15:06,800
just shattered by this. 
He was he was actually the one 

1262
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:10,800
that claimed her body because 
that's what you do when someone 

1263
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:14,500
dies and Because she did have a 
half-sister, but she wasn't able

1264
01:15:14,500 --> 01:15:16,300
to get there till like the next 
day. 

1265
01:15:16,300 --> 01:15:21,100
So he did. 
And he along with inez's melson,

1266
01:15:21,700 --> 01:15:26,000
arranged her funeral and he 
said, said that a lot of people 

1267
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:30,100
weren't allowed to come 
including like think nothing, 

1268
01:15:30,300 --> 01:15:35,600
including Frank, Sinatra Dean 
Martin Peter Lawford. 

1269
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:40,500
The actor, the whole like rat 
pack is they were called because

1270
01:15:40,500 --> 01:15:46,500
he said, they They killed her in
air quotes, which I don't think 

1271
01:15:46,500 --> 01:15:50,200
he meant literally. 
He think he meant, he felt like 

1272
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:53,800
Frank Sinatra in that group of 
men, they were like known for 

1273
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:55,900
drinking a lot womanizing and 
stuff. 

1274
01:15:55,900 --> 01:15:58,200
And I think she had been hanging
out with them. 

1275
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:05,500
Pascal beers and he blamed them 
on her troubles, I guess which I

1276
01:16:05,500 --> 01:16:07,000
don't know what their 
relationship was like. 

1277
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,900
I don't know if Joe is like 
better at this point, but I do 

1278
01:16:09,900 --> 01:16:11,800
Wonder like, how does he know 
that he didn't could? 

1279
01:16:11,900 --> 01:16:14,700
Me to her trouble. 
Yeah, I know that's kind of 

1280
01:16:14,700 --> 01:16:18,400
hypocritical because like he was
also hanging out with her at 

1281
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:24,100
this point, I know in her life 
but also is a part of this him 

1282
01:16:24,100 --> 01:16:28,300
like still being jealous of 
other men to be so. 

1283
01:16:28,300 --> 01:16:30,100
Yeah. 
They weren't, they weren't 

1284
01:16:30,100 --> 01:16:32,700
allowed to funeral. 
It was a small funeral, it was 

1285
01:16:32,700 --> 01:16:40,400
like, 30, closest friends and 
family but you went very I 

1286
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:44,200
wouldn't say overboard but no, 
expense was spared on the floral

1287
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:50,200
arrangements and this is when he
contact, he contacted Parisian 

1288
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:56,000
florist and ask them to design, 
a blanket of flowers for her 

1289
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,600
funeral and he ordered several 
floral wreaths hearts and 

1290
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:03,900
crosses and he was there, while 
the makeup was being applied on 

1291
01:17:03,900 --> 01:17:07,100
her and all through the night, 
and I guess before the casket 

1292
01:17:07,100 --> 01:17:09,900
was closed, he leaned over and 
was kissing for me. 

1293
01:17:10,300 --> 01:17:13,200
Was getting but leaned over and 
kissed her saying, I love you. 

1294
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:14,500
I love you. 
I love you. 

1295
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:19,900
So complicated. 
It's so complicated. 

1296
01:17:19,900 --> 01:17:23,200
I can't see past him hitting 
her. 

1297
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:26,100
I know. 
It's like I don't want even 

1298
01:17:26,100 --> 01:17:31,700
sympathize with him after that, 
but I do think he really loved 

1299
01:17:31,700 --> 01:17:35,300
her at the same time. 
Like and he was there for her in

1300
01:17:35,300 --> 01:17:37,700
many ways the way nobody else 
was. 

1301
01:17:37,700 --> 01:17:43,300
I know he was It's tragic and 
it's not okay what he did, but 

1302
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:47,500
clearly he was suffering too. 
If he acted, I don't think he 

1303
01:17:47,500 --> 01:17:51,400
knew any better. 
I think he's like it's I don't 

1304
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:53,900
want to give him a pass it all, 
but like he saw his father, do 

1305
01:17:53,900 --> 01:17:57,700
that to his mother and he just 
thought that was what people had

1306
01:17:57,700 --> 01:18:00,300
to do to like get their way with
their. 

1307
01:18:00,300 --> 01:18:04,300
Yeah, house. 
And in in the time period people

1308
01:18:04,300 --> 01:18:06,100
didn't know any better. 
Yeah. 

1309
01:18:06,100 --> 01:18:08,600
But not an excuse. 
It's really bad. 

1310
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:14,000
I do hope and You kind of feel 
like he was trying to amend for 

1311
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:17,400
his behavior and say sorry 
through all he was doing and I 

1312
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:22,700
think the flowers and 
everything, I feel like he I 

1313
01:18:22,700 --> 01:18:24,500
don't know, I was trying to make
it up to her or something. 

1314
01:18:24,500 --> 01:18:26,000
At least that's my 
interpretation. 

1315
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,300
I don't know. 
Yeah, he never married again. 

1316
01:18:29,300 --> 01:18:31,900
I was trying to figure out if he
dated anybody. 

1317
01:18:31,900 --> 01:18:34,700
I couldn't really read some 
weird articles about him having 

1318
01:18:34,700 --> 01:18:36,500
like a crush on someone. 
I'm like, what the heck does 

1319
01:18:36,500 --> 01:18:39,600
that mean? 
I'm sure he did. 

1320
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:43,400
But He I don't think he had any 
kind of serious relationship and

1321
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:45,500
it's said that he entered like a
period of Agony. 

1322
01:18:45,500 --> 01:18:48,900
After this. 
You know, baseball was over his 

1323
01:18:48,900 --> 01:18:52,100
whole crowd of friends at the 
bar like that's kind of old over

1324
01:18:52,700 --> 01:18:55,100
and he wasn't getting back 
together with Marilyn like he 

1325
01:18:55,100 --> 01:18:59,300
thought I mean she was dead now 
so just really tragic. 

1326
01:18:59,300 --> 01:19:05,100
Mmm, but then this is when he 
made the order with the same 

1327
01:19:05,100 --> 01:19:10,400
florist Parisian florist to have
six red roses delivered to Her 

1328
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:14,800
grave three times a week or ever
was the order. 

1329
01:19:14,900 --> 01:19:18,900
It said the order said six, 
fresh long-stemmed red roses 

1330
01:19:18,900 --> 01:19:24,100
three times a week, dot, dot dot
forever, and Apparently more 

1331
01:19:24,100 --> 01:19:27,400
than 18,000 roses were delivered
in all. 

1332
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,800
Wow, he really supporting that 
business. 

1333
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:34,700
I know he wants but he actually 
did stop sending them in 1982 

1334
01:19:34,700 --> 01:19:37,600
because he said it was causing 
too much sensation. 

1335
01:19:39,700 --> 01:19:41,200
Yeah. 
Cause then it's like he's like 

1336
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:45,000
this is performative now. 
Like people. 

1337
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:46,600
It's like becoming a tourist 
attraction. 

1338
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:50,100
Yeah I bet people were like 
waiting there for it and I don't

1339
01:19:50,100 --> 01:19:51,700
know might have been causing a 
hole. 

1340
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:53,600
Yeah. 
Don't know. 

1341
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:57,600
But he did do it for 20 years. 
Yeah, paid for it for 20 years. 

1342
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:00,300
Yeah, I was gonna say Lee. 
It's actually like not like he's

1343
01:20:00,300 --> 01:20:02,100
like going there. 
Yeah, flowers off. 

1344
01:20:02,100 --> 01:20:04,600
Yeah, we have that much money. 
You know. 

1345
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,000
It's not that, it's not that 
it's like, really like the 

1346
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:11,400
Flores is doing that 20 years. 
Like you just like paid for it. 

1347
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,100
It's something that's kind of 
passively happening. 

1348
01:20:14,100 --> 01:20:16,800
Yeah, but it's sweet. 
It's a really sweet. 

1349
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:21,200
Gesture is sweet. 
And there is a whole thing about

1350
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:27,900
I don't really get it because he
blamed, the Rat Pack on her 

1351
01:20:27,900 --> 01:20:30,500
death, but he also blamed the 
Kennedys. 

1352
01:20:30,700 --> 01:20:33,100
I don't know. 
I mean, a lot of people think 

1353
01:20:33,100 --> 01:20:37,400
this actually, but yeah, I feel 
like he refused to shake ground 

1354
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:40,200
candies hand when they first met
apparently at the New York, 

1355
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:44,400
Yankees Stadium. 
And then you'd agreed to go to 

1356
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:47,400
the Kennedy Center for 
something, but he only agreed, 

1357
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:50,100
if none of the political family 
would be there. 

1358
01:20:53,100 --> 01:20:56,100
So that lets probably I'm 
guessing the conspiracy theory 

1359
01:20:56,100 --> 01:21:00,800
about her death is like people 
being like she was having an 

1360
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:04,900
affair with JFK and like they 
knew stuff and interesting Lee. 

1361
01:21:04,900 --> 01:21:06,500
It's like a little more than 
that. 

1362
01:21:06,500 --> 01:21:11,000
Oh really? 
Again, like this is a theory, 

1363
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:13,200
but I guess I'll mention because
I remember when we did our 

1364
01:21:13,300 --> 01:21:15,900
Charles and Camilla one, we 
like, I don't know. 

1365
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:19,500
I think some people do think the
royal family killed Diana. 

1366
01:21:19,500 --> 01:21:21,400
And I don't know, I guess I'll 
just mention it. 

1367
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:24,600
But this is apparently, the 
reason why people say this 

1368
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:29,800
happened that Marilyn she had a 
journal but it went missing. 

1369
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:33,300
I guess, I don't know she had 
noted her conversation with 

1370
01:21:33,300 --> 01:21:38,200
Robert Kennedy about CIA plans 
to poison Fidel Castro with the 

1371
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:43,200
aid of the Chicago gangster, Sam
giancana in the government's 

1372
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:47,900
investigation into Union Leader,
Jimmy Hoffa's Mafia links. 

1373
01:21:48,500 --> 01:21:51,600
When real met the Kennedys 
through Peter Lawford, we 

1374
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,500
mentioned earlier, he was like 
in the Rat Pack their British 

1375
01:21:54,500 --> 01:21:58,900
brother-in-law and his beliefs. 
His past Roberts pillow, talk 

1376
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:04,500
about the CIA stuff to Frank 
Sinatra who then reported it to 

1377
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:08,000
the gangster guy. 
So basically it's that she knew 

1378
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,100
information. 
And didn't keep her mouth shut 

1379
01:22:10,100 --> 01:22:16,100
or something, but I don't know. 
Wait, so is all of that true or 

1380
01:22:16,100 --> 01:22:20,900
that's the conspiracy people 
don't know if that's true, so I 

1381
01:22:20,907 --> 01:22:22,400
don't know. 
Okay. 

1382
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:24,800
I mean it's not like but it's 
not like that's a widely 

1383
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:28,500
considered fact I don't think 
it's, I don't know. 

1384
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:30,300
Yeah. 
I mean I think those things did 

1385
01:22:30,300 --> 01:22:33,100
happen but I don't know if 
Maryland did know about it. 

1386
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:37,000
Yeah, yeah, um, yeah, he really 
thought that he said like I 

1387
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,600
always knew who I was her but 
how Marilyn Monroe and we all 

1388
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:41,700
know, I know, I don't know. 
I feel like, I feel like 

1389
01:22:41,700 --> 01:22:43,600
wouldn't they wouldn't be 
telling her. 

1390
01:22:43,900 --> 01:22:48,100
I know, I'm just saying that's 
what he said, but she said, I 

1391
01:22:48,100 --> 01:22:51,100
film actress she have to do with
any of that. 

1392
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:54,500
I know big, unless it's the, 
yeah, the pillow talk, like, I 

1393
01:22:54,508 --> 01:22:57,000
don't know, like, oh yeah, we're
gonna kill this guy, like, I 

1394
01:22:57,008 --> 01:22:58,900
don't know. 
I I do think like that. 

1395
01:22:58,900 --> 01:23:02,700
Unfortunately, it's that happens
all the time when like a young 

1396
01:23:02,700 --> 01:23:05,500
person dies in tragic way, 
that's a celebrity, like then 

1397
01:23:05,500 --> 01:23:08,500
everybody's going to be like, 
oh, they were really a turd and 

1398
01:23:08,500 --> 01:23:11,500
to Be honest. 
Like I sometimes find that like 

1399
01:23:11,500 --> 01:23:17,300
makes it harder. 
I know and I kind of like in a 

1400
01:23:17,300 --> 01:23:20,700
way like it I think it stems 
from like grief and anger that 

1401
01:23:20,700 --> 01:23:24,000
you want to like I don't know 
but I don't come up with another

1402
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:26,100
reason yet another reason. 
Yeah, beyond that. 

1403
01:23:26,100 --> 01:23:30,300
They had been struggling but 
because it feels so random and 

1404
01:23:30,300 --> 01:23:34,600
so unjust and you want to put 
blame on somebody? 

1405
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:36,800
Yeah. 
And I think that's what people 

1406
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:40,000
do for dying and too. 
I mean, any shade of people who 

1407
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:44,600
like really believe, I don't 
know, but that you want to blame

1408
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:47,300
somebody other than 
unfortunately these things 

1409
01:23:47,300 --> 01:23:51,300
happen like really random 
tragedies do happen. 

1410
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:55,100
And it's also sometimes in a 
situation like this, it's like 

1411
01:23:55,100 --> 01:24:00,500
very painful and hard to think 
about how much pain Marilyn had 

1412
01:24:00,500 --> 01:24:04,700
been in. 
Yeah it was an overdose or a 

1413
01:24:04,700 --> 01:24:05,800
suicide. 
Yeah. 

1414
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:11,300
So like it's It's a reaction to 
want to actually get with 

1415
01:24:11,300 --> 01:24:13,000
somebody else. 
Yeah. 

1416
01:24:13,100 --> 01:24:19,000
Who is to blame or not not that 
she's getting or anything but 

1417
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:22,500
yeah, I'm not like a scholar 
anything. 

1418
01:24:22,500 --> 01:24:28,800
Like I'm not an expert on all of
this but I don't know my I feel 

1419
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:30,600
like it may have been an 
accident. 

1420
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:35,600
That's what I gathered from 
everything I read but And I can 

1421
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,900
be really sad that accidents 
like that. 

1422
01:24:37,900 --> 01:24:39,500
Can happen. 
Hmm. 

1423
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:45,400
Um, it's been said it's even at 
his Wikipedia, but that Joe 

1424
01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:50,200
said, when he was dying that his
last words were, I'll finally 

1425
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:54,300
get to see Marilyn again. 
But his brother Dominic said 

1426
01:24:54,300 --> 01:24:56,900
that wasn't true. 
So he might have said it at some

1427
01:24:56,900 --> 01:25:00,300
point, but I don't think those 
were literally his last words. 

1428
01:25:00,300 --> 01:25:02,900
Yeah. 
How do you kind of hard to time 

1429
01:25:02,900 --> 01:25:05,600
your last word I know? 
I know, I know I feel like if I 

1430
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,800
was on my deathbed, I would say 
something some died. 

1431
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:25,400
Yeah, 
it's very poetic. 

1432
01:25:26,500 --> 01:25:28,000
I'm going to choose to think 
that he did say. 

1433
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,500
It may be his last day. 
How did he die? 

1434
01:25:30,700 --> 01:25:33,800
So he died of lung cancer. 
I was so happy. 

1435
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:39,000
News gonna dive yet at the age 
of 84 in Hollywood Florida. 

1436
01:25:39,500 --> 01:25:46,100
And in 1999 later in 1999, there
was an auction of Joe's things, 

1437
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:50,100
which makes me a little sad. 
I mean, maybe they donated to 

1438
01:25:50,100 --> 01:25:52,000
charity or something, but I 
don't know. 

1439
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,500
For some reason, upsets me as 
family sold, like all his 

1440
01:25:54,500 --> 01:25:59,300
things, and one of the things 
they put up for auction, was one

1441
01:25:59,300 --> 01:26:02,700
of his journals. 
And in it, there was a list of 

1442
01:26:02,700 --> 01:26:05,500
rules. 
That he'd written to himself of 

1443
01:26:05,500 --> 01:26:11,000
how to act with Marilyn, and I 
heard about this from the Irish 

1444
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:14,900
Marilyn Monroe fan club. 
So thank you, what were the 

1445
01:26:14,900 --> 01:26:16,800
rules? 
Um, and there actually is, like 

1446
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:19,500
a scan of these Pages. 
Like, it's real. 

1447
01:26:19,500 --> 01:26:21,500
It's not just like someone 
saying it. 

1448
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:25,800
So, these were the rules. 
He wrote, we had very beautiful 

1449
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:28,400
handwriting, by the way. 
Well, it was kind of hard to 

1450
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:32,900
read, but it was very flirty. 
Um, it said don't ever be 

1451
01:26:32,900 --> 01:26:36,700
critical. 
Forget ego and pride, talk from 

1452
01:26:36,700 --> 01:26:39,700
the heart. 
Be warm, affectionate and love. 

1453
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:43,900
Don't be a, I really couldn't 
tell what it said is very hard 

1454
01:26:43,900 --> 01:26:46,200
to read. 
Some kind of don't be a dick or 

1455
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:48,100
something. 
I don't know, but it didn't look

1456
01:26:48,100 --> 01:26:50,000
like that. 
I have no idea what he's trying 

1457
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:53,300
to write. 
Don't be a blank, be patient. 

1458
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:55,800
No matter what? 
No jealousy. 

1459
01:26:56,300 --> 01:26:59,700
Remember, this is not your wife.
She is a fine girl. 

1460
01:26:59,700 --> 01:27:02,700
And remember how unhappy you 
made her happiness? 

1461
01:27:02,700 --> 01:27:06,300
Is what you strive? 
Or for her in capital letters. 

1462
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,100
Don't talk about her business or
her friends. 

1463
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:13,000
Be friendly towards her friends.
Don't forget how Lonesome and 

1464
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:15,600
unhappy you are especially 
without her. 

1465
01:27:16,700 --> 01:27:19,100
Oh my God. 
That's like actually really 

1466
01:27:19,100 --> 01:27:23,800
sweet and cute. 
It's like sad that he was really

1467
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:31,000
trying to work on himself. 
He was considerate, he did keep 

1468
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:33,800
journals. 
Apparently, I think like a lot. 

1469
01:27:33,900 --> 01:27:37,600
Of them are for auction classic 
Joe though, a lot of the 

1470
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:40,500
entries. 
Apparently for some reason at 

1471
01:27:40,500 --> 01:27:44,200
the end of the day he would 
like, write down how much it's 

1472
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:47,600
been really, how much each meal 
was he's like, really keeping 

1473
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:52,000
track. 
We don't know what cheap he is. 

1474
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:56,500
Like, that shows how much 
ordering those flowers. 

1475
01:27:56,500 --> 01:27:58,700
That's true. 
How much he really loved her 

1476
01:27:58,700 --> 01:28:02,400
because this is a man who he was
really taking. 

1477
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:05,200
Yes, it does. 
Doesn't waste money. 

1478
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:09,800
Yeah and yet he's kind of 
wasting money on flowers. 

1479
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:12,000
Going to a grave that people are
probably going to steal like 

1480
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:13,900
five seconds later. 
That's true. 

1481
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:18,400
And it's going to say this like 
at the end, but he's been asked 

1482
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:22,500
to talk about Merlin so many 
times and he's always said, no, 

1483
01:28:22,500 --> 01:28:25,100
and once he was offered 50 
thousand dollars to say 

1484
01:28:25,100 --> 01:28:30,400
something about her and he said,
no, wow, he is really Into 

1485
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:32,300
making money. 
So I feel like that says, 

1486
01:28:32,300 --> 01:28:35,300
something that he just didn't. 
He was offered to him more than 

1487
01:28:35,300 --> 01:28:37,800
his yeah. 
Original baseball. 

1488
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:39,900
Catcher act like to dream 
salary. 

1489
01:28:39,900 --> 01:28:43,400
Mmm, his original contract was 
like twenty five thousand 

1490
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:45,900
dollars. 
I wanted to make 40,000 all he 

1491
01:28:45,900 --> 01:28:48,600
wanted for die, eventually he 
died, but it took. 

1492
01:28:48,700 --> 01:28:51,900
Wow. 
Yeah so he like he really did 

1493
01:28:51,900 --> 01:28:54,100
like love and honor her. 
It's like hard to see. 

1494
01:28:54,100 --> 01:28:56,000
I hope. 
I think he did just that one 

1495
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:59,200
time. 
It's sad. 

1496
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:03,800
He also so, in all these, this 
auction of his things, they also

1497
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:07,300
had his wallet. 
I don't know why I'm sensing 

1498
01:29:07,300 --> 01:29:08,600
that there. 
I don't know. 

1499
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:10,300
It's just well, I'm sure they 
kept a lot of other. 

1500
01:29:10,300 --> 01:29:12,500
Yeah, they did. 
But just have one case on, 

1501
01:29:12,500 --> 01:29:13,100
right? 
Yeah. 

1502
01:29:13,100 --> 01:29:15,300
He just had one some grandkids 
investing. 

1503
01:29:15,500 --> 01:29:19,800
I think so. 
Um, so they auction has wallet. 

1504
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:23,200
And in it there was though they 
auctioned what was in it. 

1505
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:26,900
Yeah, like the whole thing. 
Oh wow, yeah, but it was even, 

1506
01:29:26,900 --> 01:29:31,200
it's even on Christmas. 
Tease, the auction website. 

1507
01:29:33,700 --> 01:29:37,800
It went for four hundred twenty 
five thousand dollars. 

1508
01:29:39,500 --> 01:29:43,600
Well this was in the wallet so 
they auction the wallet and they

1509
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:46,300
auctioned this piece of paper 
that was in the wallet. 

1510
01:29:46,300 --> 01:29:49,200
That was a letter from Marilyn 
Monroe. 

1511
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:51,100
The Apparently he'd been 
carrying in his wallet this 

1512
01:29:51,100 --> 01:29:55,700
whole time which is like 40 
years. 

1513
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:56,700
Yeah. 
What. 

1514
01:29:56,700 --> 01:30:01,100
I'm just mad because they're 
just silence and I remember like

1515
01:30:01,100 --> 01:30:03,300
when I used to drive a car? 
Yeah. 

1516
01:30:03,500 --> 01:30:07,100
Listen to a podcast if there is 
sirens and you get scared 

1517
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:09,800
because I thought it was like on
the road. 

1518
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:12,900
So it's an area is an egg and 
they just pulled over. 

1519
01:30:12,900 --> 01:30:14,100
Yeah. 
Sorry. 

1520
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:17,800
That is scary podcast. 
Put sorry, what were you saying?

1521
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:21,700
Yeah, we're totally. 
This is a totally independent 

1522
01:30:21,700 --> 01:30:24,300
pain cats as you can. 
Probably tell were not in a 

1523
01:30:24,300 --> 01:30:32,100
studio, we don't have contrast 
have producers and um yeah this 

1524
01:30:32,100 --> 01:30:34,300
letter from Maryland was in his 
Wallet. 

1525
01:30:34,900 --> 01:30:37,900
And it was broken in four pieces
but I mean, it's been in there 

1526
01:30:37,900 --> 01:30:43,100
forever like she died in 1962. 
Wow died in 1999. 

1527
01:30:43,100 --> 01:30:46,000
So it's crazy to steal his 
wallet, but this is what it 

1528
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,500
said. 
Oh, and it was on the back of a 

1529
01:30:48,900 --> 01:30:51,200
dry-cleaning receipt which I 
liked. 

1530
01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:54,000
Mmm. 
Wow this is so gross Oracle. 

1531
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:57,900
I know how much did this? 
Four hundred twenty. 

1532
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:00,400
Five thousand dollars. 
Wow. 

1533
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:04,400
Yeah this piece of paper. 
Um, Dear Joe. 

1534
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:06,600
I know I was wrong. 
I acted the way I did. 

1535
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:09,700
And I said the things I did 
because I was hurt, not because 

1536
01:31:09,700 --> 01:31:12,500
I meant them, and it was stupid 
of me to be hurt because 

1537
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:14,100
actually, there wasn't enough 
reason. 

1538
01:31:14,100 --> 01:31:17,400
In fact, no reason at all, 
please accept my apology and 

1539
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:20,300
don't don't, don't, don't be 
angry with your baby. 

1540
01:31:20,300 --> 01:31:24,200
She loves you lovingly your wife
for life mrs. 

1541
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:29,500
JP DiMaggio. 
This is from when they were 

1542
01:31:29,500 --> 01:31:31,400
married, I guess so. 
Yeah. 

1543
01:31:31,500 --> 01:31:33,300
I mean, I'm assuming why don't 
she wrote it? 

1544
01:31:33,500 --> 01:31:37,500
After, but they like still like 
called themselves. 

1545
01:31:37,500 --> 01:31:38,900
I like when they were friends 
again. 

1546
01:31:39,100 --> 01:31:41,700
Did she make their relationship 
was better? 

1547
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:45,500
It did after she had gotten 
divorced, from Arthur Miller, 

1548
01:31:45,500 --> 01:31:48,700
but maybe because they weren't 
together because they weren't 

1549
01:31:48,700 --> 01:31:52,100
together. 
And she was suffering though. 

1550
01:31:52,100 --> 01:31:57,100
Yeah, it is nice that they were 
able to have seems like good 

1551
01:31:57,100 --> 01:32:02,300
friendship. 
Yeah, he refused to talk about 

1552
01:32:02,300 --> 01:32:05,100
Marilyn. 
After her death but he did say 

1553
01:32:05,100 --> 01:32:09,500
she was a warm Big Hearted Girl 
that everyone took advantage of.

1554
01:32:09,500 --> 01:32:16,600
Yeah and that's the story. 
I'm sorry. 

1555
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:18,900
What's the likelihood? 
They'll get back together? 

1556
01:32:18,900 --> 01:32:23,500
Just kidding. 
It's not what I want to do. 

1557
01:32:23,500 --> 01:32:27,300
Yeah, City Rob. 
Oh yeah, no I know I mean I 

1558
01:32:27,300 --> 01:32:32,800
think everyone would say Marilyn
is so guys on our Instagram. 

1559
01:32:33,500 --> 01:32:36,200
You don't follow us that you 
should because it is really fun 

1560
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:40,100
poles, where well, first, we 
have people guests what they 

1561
01:32:40,100 --> 01:32:44,700
think the episodes, can because 
we teased a picture, like a 

1562
01:32:44,900 --> 01:32:48,300
zoomed in picture of their hands
or their shoes or something. 

1563
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:54,000
And then, we sometimes do these 
custody battle of you, pulls, 

1564
01:32:54,100 --> 01:32:56,600
hmm. 
Where you say whose side you're 

1565
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:57,500
on. 
Hmm. 

1566
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:00,600
There is always someone who 
choose the size you wouldn't 

1567
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:08,000
expect but I love Besides it's 
never been 100% one person. 

1568
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:11,200
There's always like someone 
would probably pick Joe. 

1569
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:18,300
I swear to God. 
Yeah, yeah, it is even though it

1570
01:33:18,300 --> 01:33:24,700
is really tragic and fucked up 
in some parts, I do find it. 

1571
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:29,000
I don't know. 
I just Pierce's my heart in like

1572
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:32,900
a beautiful, but sad way, I just
think it's peaceful like, the 

1573
01:33:32,900 --> 01:33:36,600
complicated nature of like human
beings. 

1574
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:39,800
Yeah. 
And love in general because it's

1575
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:43,500
like, well, I'm not going to 
keep talking about like it was 

1576
01:33:43,500 --> 01:33:45,900
have something that happened in 
the time period. 

1577
01:33:46,100 --> 01:33:51,300
But even regardless of that, 
like, they weren't compatible in

1578
01:33:51,300 --> 01:33:53,900
a relationship whatsoever. 
It was never going to work out 

1579
01:33:53,900 --> 01:33:55,700
with them. 
It seems like they had way too 

1580
01:33:55,700 --> 01:33:57,700
many differences. 
Has yeah and like I don't think 

1581
01:33:57,700 --> 01:34:01,400
they ever would have moved past 
that even later on I think he 

1582
01:34:01,407 --> 01:34:04,800
was trying to work on himself 
but like where does that love? 

1583
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:08,200
Go I know right? 
Like even though they didn't 

1584
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:11,200
really work together. 
I think they still loved each 

1585
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:12,300
other. 
Yeah. 

1586
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:14,200
Isn't that like what the Twin 
Flame is? 

1587
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:16,100
Yeah? 
Like yeah, we're does that love 

1588
01:34:16,100 --> 01:34:19,100
go? 
Yeah, seems like it's still 

1589
01:34:19,100 --> 01:34:24,300
lasted. 
Yeah, up until Joe died. 

1590
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:27,900
I wonder if that's why Wasn't 
with anybody else. 

1591
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:30,100
Maybe we maybe was like 
secretly. 

1592
01:34:30,100 --> 01:34:33,800
We have any be poor like Joe's. 
Like long-term girlfriend. 

1593
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:39,300
Like, nobody knew about like he 
kept her a secret. 

1594
01:34:39,300 --> 01:34:42,200
Yeah. 
It's like take advantage of it. 

1595
01:34:43,300 --> 01:34:46,400
Mom. 
And maybe that's a possibility. 

1596
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:50,000
I mean, that would really 
impress me if he was hoping for 

1597
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:53,300
the rest of his life that would 
really, but we haven't had 

1598
01:34:53,300 --> 01:34:54,900
impressed me. 
I'm a stranger. 

1599
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:56,300
Yeah. 
Doesn't he? 

1600
01:34:56,500 --> 01:35:02,200
Know him, but I'm sure he was 
with somebody but you didn't 

1601
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:03,600
marry again. 
That's all we know. 

1602
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:07,000
Hmm, he probably could have me, 
he's in his 40s. 

1603
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,500
It's not too late. 
Yeah. 

1604
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:11,900
So I wonder what that list who's
working on. 

1605
01:35:11,900 --> 01:35:14,600
Like he definitely really wanted
to marry Marilyn. 

1606
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:17,500
And again, I feel like she 
wouldn't have said, see the 

1607
01:35:17,500 --> 01:35:20,700
thing about Marilyn is like, she
knew about it. 

1608
01:35:20,700 --> 01:35:24,400
Like she knew. 
Ya knew like right early on 

1609
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:25,600
that. 
The marriage wasn't going to 

1610
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:28,200
work when she said. 
Originally, I know like I feel 

1611
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:31,900
like she always was aware that 
they weren't compatible and now 

1612
01:35:31,900 --> 01:35:35,400
I I know I'm gonna find who did 
it, but I did read that. 

1613
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:40,500
She told her friend that she 
still everyone that she has 

1614
01:35:40,500 --> 01:35:42,500
loved. 
She still loved a little bit. 

1615
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:47,600
So I think tainted at least have
some love for Joe. 

1616
01:35:47,700 --> 01:35:50,000
You don't know how strong it 
was. 

1617
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:53,100
I don't know if it was the same 
intensity as him but yeah I mean

1618
01:35:53,100 --> 01:35:55,000
you always carry your past 
selves with you. 

1619
01:35:55,100 --> 01:35:59,800
Yeah, whole life. 
So it's just tragic. 

1620
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:04,400
I did find myself just so 
interested and I did want to 

1621
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:09,400
uncover more about Joe after 
their divorce and figuring out, 

1622
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:13,700
you know, did he change the 
things? 

1623
01:36:13,700 --> 01:36:16,500
You wrote was really interesting
to me so I'm sure there's way 

1624
01:36:16,500 --> 01:36:18,000
more out there too. 
Yeah. 

1625
01:36:18,100 --> 01:36:21,900
I mean, I'm yeah, it is crazy 
thinking about how money up says

1626
01:36:21,900 --> 01:36:26,300
to was mmm that his love for 
Maryland Trump. 

1627
01:36:26,500 --> 01:36:30,900
That he was, he was he was 
described, I didn't even mention

1628
01:36:30,900 --> 01:36:35,000
it all, but as being cheap and 
like the kind of guy that I 

1629
01:36:35,008 --> 01:36:37,800
don't know when he went out to 
dinner with people wouldn't 

1630
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:41,800
really like get the bill. 
Yeah. 

1631
01:36:44,100 --> 01:36:46,800
Apparently he would pay when 
he's with his teammates but if 

1632
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:51,200
he was with like Yankees 
executive people or something, I

1633
01:36:51,208 --> 01:36:53,000
don't know who else he would be 
going out with. 

1634
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:55,800
But yeah, he would just let them
pick certain age. 

1635
01:36:56,800 --> 01:37:00,900
They spent their whole lives, 
it's cute journaling. 

1636
01:37:00,900 --> 01:37:04,200
And at all, in general, I 
accidentally, when I was doing 

1637
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:08,200
research on, this was reading 
this article and I literally 

1638
01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:12,700
started copying down typing. 
What I was reading and I didn't 

1639
01:37:12,700 --> 01:37:16,200
realize it was an onion article 
and I got tired. 

1640
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:20,800
But it was like because I had so
many times when it's over, I 

1641
01:37:20,808 --> 01:37:24,800
didn't realize that it said, 
it's like in Joe DiMaggio's 

1642
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:28,900
Journal. 
Um, he writes a long list of 

1643
01:37:28,900 --> 01:37:32,600
everything he hates and it 
seemed so accurate, but it 

1644
01:37:32,600 --> 01:37:37,400
wasn't day. 
So did he call Marilyn, Marilyn 

1645
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:43,500
or did he call her Norma Jean? 
Other Maryland mean, that's what

1646
01:37:43,500 --> 01:37:46,700
he said in that video, but maybe
he was just talking. 

1647
01:37:46,700 --> 01:37:49,200
Yeah, that could have been just 
to the journalist. 

1648
01:37:49,200 --> 01:37:52,700
I always wonder that about 
celebrity couples especially 

1649
01:37:52,700 --> 01:37:55,000
when the couple goes by stage 
name. 

1650
01:37:55,300 --> 01:37:58,100
I know does there. 
Their partner called them, their

1651
01:37:58,100 --> 01:38:00,600
stage name. 
That's such a good question. 

1652
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:01,900
Personal name. 
I know. 

1653
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:04,000
Could the, the name that their 
family calls them? 

1654
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:09,300
Yeah, I wonder, like, I remember
Taylor Swift and she was dating 

1655
01:38:09,300 --> 01:38:14,400
Calvin Harris, in a speech she 
called him whatever his real 

1656
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:16,800
name is, I don't know. 
And even though that wasn't his 

1657
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:21,500
real name be, oh, wow. 
But then I think some people 

1658
01:38:21,500 --> 01:38:24,500
just start introducing 
themselves as yeah. 

1659
01:38:24,900 --> 01:38:28,500
But what about Lady Gaga. 
Hey did someone do they call her

1660
01:38:28,500 --> 01:38:30,000
Gaga? 
Any car? 

1661
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:32,500
Stephanie probably Stephanie. 
Yeah. 

1662
01:38:32,500 --> 01:38:37,700
That's just this kind of like I 
don't feel like friends of her 

1663
01:38:37,700 --> 01:38:41,100
say Gaga. 
Yeah, I was talking to God God 

1664
01:38:41,100 --> 01:38:46,400
the other day. 
I think Lana Del Rey who's like 

1665
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:49,800
my favorite singer. 
I'm pretty sure people call her,

1666
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:51,700
Lana like in her life was her 
name. 

1667
01:38:52,100 --> 01:38:53,500
Elizabeth. 
Well, Lizzie. 

1668
01:38:53,700 --> 01:38:56,100
Oh, I forgot that. 
Yeah. 

1669
01:38:56,400 --> 01:39:01,400
I think that that's what people 
should dates calls or to sure 

1670
01:39:01,700 --> 01:39:06,000
it's kind of sad, you know, 
because it's like You don't 

1671
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:10,400
really know the real me anymore.
The name that you grew up with. 

1672
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:15,000
I mean, obviously people change 
their name, do but I don't, but 

1673
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:18,800
when you're a celebrity, you 
take on a Persona that like 

1674
01:39:18,900 --> 01:39:23,700
isn't totally you, like, you 
take on like an exaggerated 

1675
01:39:23,700 --> 01:39:28,100
character who you are for the 
sake of like, building a brand 

1676
01:39:28,100 --> 01:39:31,900
and so your stage name, like, 
represents that brand. 

1677
01:39:31,900 --> 01:39:37,100
Yeah, kind of sad that even In 
like in an intimate romantic 

1678
01:39:37,100 --> 01:39:39,200
relationship. 
Yeah. 

1679
01:39:39,200 --> 01:39:46,200
Being called their brand name. 
Maybe it's like not that date. 

1680
01:39:46,300 --> 01:39:49,400
I'm sure he gets so used to it's
like they're probably like when 

1681
01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:50,600
do I tell someone to start 
calling me? 

1682
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:56,300
My real name Norma Jean. 
Let's hear. 

1683
01:39:56,300 --> 01:39:59,000
It's like no one names. 
Anyone the name Norma anymore, 

1684
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:03,400
you know, normal? 
Probably come back someday. 

1685
01:40:03,500 --> 01:40:08,600
I think Marilyn is such a pretty
name but it's just to to Marilyn

1686
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:10,200
Monroe. 
Yeah. 

1687
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:15,500
I like the name dommage. 
Yeah, the first thing last week.

1688
01:40:15,508 --> 01:40:20,400
I need some value. 
Yeah. 

1689
01:40:20,700 --> 01:40:23,700
Apparently he got very annoyed 
when people called him, Tim 

1690
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:28,700
Maggio DiMaggio. 
Yeah, do DiMaggio? 

1691
01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:33,400
Joe DiMaggio. 
It's fun to say, yeah, that song

1692
01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:35,500
that I put on the list, it's 
very catchy. 

1693
01:40:35,500 --> 01:40:41,700
It's like joltin Joe DiMaggio. 
We want him on our side. 

1694
01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:46,100
What does it rhyme? 
I don't think I sing it like 

1695
01:40:46,100 --> 01:40:49,600
correctly but back-to-back mind 
but that's all I remember. 

1696
01:40:51,500 --> 01:40:53,500
That's it. 
This is a doozy. 

1697
01:40:54,100 --> 01:40:58,100
But so who is our next one? 
Do you want to talk? 

1698
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:03,700
Oh my gosh. 
Okay, the next one coming back 

1699
01:41:03,700 --> 01:41:08,700
to modern times, this is a 
couple that has recently been 

1700
01:41:08,700 --> 01:41:17,500
going through a divorce, sadly. 
And one of the people in the 

1701
01:41:17,500 --> 01:41:27,100
marriage should be neutral to 
keep one of the people is in a 

1702
01:41:27,100 --> 01:41:31,700
very highly, publicized 
relationship with a new flame, 

1703
01:41:32,100 --> 01:41:37,100
Who is younger? 
And this new flame is very in 

1704
01:41:37,100 --> 01:41:44,400
the spotlight. 
Hmm in the X Seems upset way too

1705
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:47,200
much. 
It seems obvious, but exactly 

1706
01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:51,900
who it is, because you told me, 
but I love a riddle. 

1707
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:56,300
I hope you guys enjoy it. 
Some of you will either one of 

1708
01:41:56,300 --> 01:42:00,700
you ever get goes that it but 
literally, almost everybody got 

1709
01:42:00,700 --> 01:42:04,300
Taylor and Jake Gyllenhaal. 
Yeah, I some people said Taylor 

1710
01:42:04,300 --> 01:42:08,300
and Harry, that's true. 
But one, there was one person 

1711
01:42:08,300 --> 01:42:14,000
who wrote, I'm so bad. 
This never gets any of them. 

1712
01:42:14,300 --> 01:42:16,800
I see you. 
And I hear you because I feel 

1713
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:19,100
like it's so hard. 
I know. 

1714
01:42:19,100 --> 01:42:20,800
And it doesn't, it seem so 
obvious. 

1715
01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:23,800
I don't know if I could do it. 
Actually want to read an email 

1716
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:29,200
from somebody really? 
Yeah, pulled up Sierra. 

1717
01:42:29,700 --> 01:42:32,900
Oh, Sierra. 
Recognize that name. 

1718
01:42:32,900 --> 01:42:38,900
Yeah, she had a dream about the 
podcast if it's okay, we're 

1719
01:42:38,900 --> 01:42:40,600
reading it. 
I just think it's so cool. 

1720
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:46,200
I'm sorry. 
I guess it was just me tree, 

1721
01:42:46,700 --> 01:42:50,500
okay? 
Um, she said okay, hey, come 

1722
01:42:50,500 --> 01:42:51,800
out. 
Hope you guys are doing well. 

1723
01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:54,900
I've been meaning to share this 
couple idea for a while but I 

1724
01:42:54,900 --> 01:42:57,400
always end up forgetting. 
But today I had to write you 

1725
01:42:57,400 --> 01:42:59,700
guys up because I did dream with
Kelly in it. 

1726
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:03,400
The dream the dream started with
Kelly inviting me to go to A 

1727
01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:06,300
banks concert in New York City. 
I've no clue of Kelly even 

1728
01:43:06,300 --> 01:43:08,700
listens to Banks but she's my 
favorite artist so I guess 

1729
01:43:08,700 --> 01:43:11,100
that's where that came in. 
I also didn't get to see Things 

1730
01:43:11,100 --> 01:43:13,600
in concert this year because I 
was busy around the time. 

1731
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:15,900
She was touring near me. 
So I guess my subconscious is 

1732
01:43:15,900 --> 01:43:18,800
holding onto that. 
Anyways, I was driving up to NYC

1733
01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:22,000
and plan on dropping off my bags
of the hotel room that Kel 

1734
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:25,200
booked for me, I got to the 
hotel which is really nice, but 

1735
01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:28,200
my stupid alarm woke me up 
before getting to the concert. 

1736
01:43:28,200 --> 01:43:31,200
Maybe it'll be a reoccurring 
dream until I get to the show. 

1737
01:43:31,400 --> 01:43:35,500
LOL, that is so cool. 
Do you listen to Banks? 

1738
01:43:35,500 --> 01:43:39,700
I don't really, I do know her. 
Yeah, take a picture. 

1739
01:43:39,700 --> 01:43:42,300
Yeah. 
And I You know, concert you know

1740
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:44,600
and I should I should listen to 
her. 

1741
01:43:45,400 --> 01:43:48,300
So cool. 
Wait that's also so cold that 

1742
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:51,400
you can like tell us apart 
enough to that just Kelly's in 

1743
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:55,400
the dino because some people 
kind of some people. 

1744
01:43:55,400 --> 01:43:59,000
Can't tell us apart. 
Then the couple idea, I know you

1745
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:01,000
guys just fine if you can't, by 
the way, I owe you for 

1746
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:04,000
listening. 
I know you guys have mentioned. 

1747
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:07,800
It being difficult to find, 
lgbtq couples to cover is 

1748
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:10,800
they're usually involved a 
famous person in a non famous. 

1749
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:13,800
They have one that could work. 
Sarah Paulson in Holland. 

1750
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:16,900
Taylor, I'm not sure how public 
their relationship is or if 

1751
01:44:16,900 --> 01:44:19,600
there's enough details for full 
episode, but could be very 

1752
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:24,000
interesting, couple with Sarah 
being 47 and home being 79. 

1753
01:44:24,300 --> 01:44:26,800
I think would be cool to talk 
about how a large age Gap. 

1754
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:30,400
Dynamic changes and the same sex
couple primarily Between Women. 

1755
01:44:30,400 --> 01:44:33,400
Let me know what you guys think 
or you've already looked into it

1756
01:44:33,500 --> 01:44:38,500
best Sierra. 
Yeah, that is very interesting. 

1757
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:40,600
That is I have thought about 
that actually. 

1758
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:46,600
Think they're on the list. 
So on our radar, should 

1759
01:44:46,600 --> 01:44:50,200
definitely cover it before she 
died. 

1760
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:54,500
That's true. 
We should just so I don't want 

1761
01:44:54,500 --> 01:44:57,200
another tragic one. 
Yeah, that I hope she lives a 

1762
01:44:57,208 --> 01:44:59,400
long time. 
You know, 79 is scribbled, 

1763
01:45:00,900 --> 01:45:03,000
that's not the oldest cut it 
out, goodbye. 

1764
01:45:09,100 --> 01:45:10,300
But yeah, we should definitely 
cover it. 

1765
01:45:10,300 --> 01:45:13,400
That sounds Great idea. 
I know that sounds really 

1766
01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:16,000
interesting. 
Hmm because to be honest with 

1767
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:20,800
you if that was a 79 year old 
well Sarah paulsen's in her 40s 

1768
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:23,200
she show 47. 
Okay. 

1769
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:26,800
Not know, I don't know. 
I think what's on those in their

1770
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:30,800
40s, like, whatever. 
It's not like creepy or 

1771
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:33,600
anything, but differences at 
that point you're an adult. 

1772
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:38,400
Yeah. 
Like a real but it would be a 

1773
01:45:38,407 --> 01:45:41,600
little different still. 
I think Steve differently. 

1774
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:45,300
So hmm. 
I just think that's so cool. 

1775
01:45:45,300 --> 01:45:47,700
We were in the dream. 
I mean, even though she said me 

1776
01:45:47,700 --> 01:45:49,800
obviously, you were like there 
somewhere. 

1777
01:45:50,100 --> 01:45:53,700
Yeah. 
I feel like I've had a dream 

1778
01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:57,900
about Podcasts before too. 
So, I really hate. 

1779
01:45:58,100 --> 01:46:01,300
Well, well, okay, well, I guess 
that's it. 

1780
01:46:03,300 --> 01:46:06,700
This isn't there's another siren
but it's on the podcast. 

1781
01:46:06,700 --> 01:46:11,100
Don't pull over. 
I feel like our theme song could

1782
01:46:11,100 --> 01:46:16,900
be Joe, singing it doing self. 
Think about that. 

1783
01:46:16,900 --> 01:46:23,400
As outro plays in some, 
hopefully, they're together, 

1784
01:46:23,500 --> 01:46:28,800
Heaven, Keep referencing. 
I know I get to have a nice hug.

1785
01:46:30,300 --> 01:46:32,100
Okay. 
Bye guys. 

1786
01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:38,600
Your heart.