1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:07,960 Are you lonesome tonight? Do you miss me tonight? 2 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:17,320 Are you sorry we dressed apart. Does your man? 3 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,600 Hello everybody. Welcome to significant lovers. 4 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,720 We are your hosts and we're cousins. 5 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,520 I'm Kel. And I am Mel. 6 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,960 Mel and Kel Kel Mel is in Atlanta right now. 7 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,520 Yep, on a trip. Mm Hmm. 8 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,480 In a hotel room. Any Georgia listeners listening 9 00:00:41,480 --> 00:00:44,000 right now? You're so far away. 10 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,360 Oh my gosh, actually. I was listening. 11 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,520 Kind of freaky. Two hour and 15 minute plane 12 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,040 ride. It was pretty quick actually. 13 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:53,920 Surprisingly, I know, but when you just think about 14 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:55,480 geographically. Like I know the. 15 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,520 Way you are for me. It's weird, I know. 16 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,920 Today I feel like I just was like, you know, some of those 17 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,280 travel days where you're just in a bad mood. 18 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,960 I was just in a bad mood at the airport. 19 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:09,080 I took forever to get my luggage. 20 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,400 And I don't know, today I've just been so cranky. 21 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,680 So it's a delight to have the podcast. 22 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:17,800 Today. Oh yeah, Hopefully this cheers 23 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,920 you up the high. Of my day, yeah. 24 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:24,000 Talking about some other people's relationship problems 25 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,320 and there is a lot today. A lot, a lot. 26 00:01:28,320 --> 00:01:33,760 Today we are talking about the infamous Debbie Reynolds and 27 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,240 Eddie Fisher. And. 28 00:01:37,320 --> 00:01:43,000 Then in parentheses, Elizabeth Taylor OK, so I really will come 29 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,280 up. I don't know their story, so 30 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,080 that's interesting. You say infamous all. 31 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,880 Right. Yeah, this is going to be crazy. 32 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,600 It's a crazy story. And this was recommended by our 33 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,000 listener Charlotte, I think more than once or maybe by two 34 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,440 Charlotte's. But there's definitely 2 35 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,280 messages we got from someone named Charlotte so and. 36 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,400 That would be such a coincidence. 37 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,600 I know it must be the same, and I think a couple, I think a 38 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,039 couple other people recommended them too because they were in 39 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:14,320 our spreadsheet. But what really caught my 40 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,560 attention to Charlotte in the comments said Debbie Reynolds 41 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:21,600 and Eddie Fisher lore. And I was like, hmm, that makes 42 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,520 it sound like there's a lot. Yeah. 43 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,560 To explore, and there is, and I'm really excited to be 44 00:02:28,640 --> 00:02:33,680 discussing this today, so let's get ready for it. 45 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:38,240 So Cal, what 3 words would you use to describe this couple? 46 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,400 Oh, I was thinking about this. Three words I would use to 47 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:48,240 describe this relationship would be deceptive, naive. 48 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,000 Oh. And closed off. 49 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,720 And that's two words but one term. 50 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,400 Yeah. This relationship, if you didn't 51 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,840 know, is one part of a. Well, I got this might be a 52 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,680 spoiler, but I mean, it's happened a long time ago. 53 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,360 So I think a lot of people already know one part of a love 54 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:10,880 triangle with Elizabeth Taylor. It is basically the 1950s 55 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:18,000 version of Brad, Jennifer Aniston Angelina, sort of, And 56 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,320 it's a crazy, crazy story. So I guess we should just get 57 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,960 into it. What's that song that's like the 58 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,960 history book on the shelf? It's always repeating itself. 59 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:35,480 Oh yeah, that's definitely true. Oh my. 60 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:42,080 God, I can't wait to hear. So, so so who is Eddie Fisher? 61 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,120 He is. He was rest in peace. 62 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,280 I almost talked I must I almost talked about him in present 63 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:49,720 tense. I know rest in peace. 64 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:54,080 Eddie Fisher was born August 10th, 1928 in Philadelphia. 65 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:59,000 He was the 4th kid out of seven kids and his parents were Jewish 66 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,040 immigrants from Russia, I guess I should say. 67 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,040 By the way, Eddie Fisher, in case anyone doesn't know, is a I 68 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,680 keep saying, Oh my gosh, I I just sometimes feel like I get 69 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,600 so close to these people when I'm researching them. 70 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,560 Like they feel so current. But I know. 71 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,920 I keep saying, I guess it's OK to say in present tense, but he 72 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,079 was a singer. Yeah, we've talked because. 73 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,200 People's, yeah, people's souls still continue to exist after 74 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,680 their death, so. He was a singer and Debbie, 75 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:29,880 Debbie Reynolds was an actress. And Eddie, yeah, he's from a 76 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,800 Russian Jewish family. His parents last name was 77 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,880 originally Tish, but then they changed it to Fisher in the 78 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:41,880 1940s census for some reason. So could have been Eddie Tish, 79 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,280 could have been Carrie Tish because yeah, Carrie Fisher is 80 00:04:46,280 --> 00:04:49,360 his daughter. He was a very charismatic kid. 81 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,240 He sang and performed from a young age, as a lot of the 82 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:56,400 people on this show do. His family called him Sonny Boy 83 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,360 and he became a local star in Philly, performing in shows and 84 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,480 on the radio. And he ended up dropping out of 85 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,960 high school senior year to pursue music that might be in 86 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:11,960 our drinking game if anyone's drinking along. 87 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:16,240 He did have a great voice. I, I was listening to some of 88 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,560 his music. He did have really good voice 89 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,360 and he had sort of like a boyish, handsome look. 90 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,600 He's pretty short, though. He's 5 foot five, but Debbie, 91 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,760 Debbie's five too. So works out and he's always 92 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,920 called a crooner. It's always referred to as a 93 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:35,040 crooner, Yes. He sings like love ballads. 94 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,760 This is a description of him from his daughter in a 95 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,720 subsequent marriage, Jolie. So she didn't know him obviously 96 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,280 when he was young, but this is how she described him, which I 97 00:05:45,280 --> 00:05:48,040 thought was interesting. She said that Eddie was cool and 98 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,280 charismatic, mysterious but funny, and made you feel 99 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:53,520 interesting and beautiful for a moment. 100 00:05:54,200 --> 00:06:00,360 Oh, for a moment, that sounds kind of like a flaw, actually. 101 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,040 I think it is Mel. I think it is. 102 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,920 In the 1940s he sang and performed in bands when he was 103 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:12,280 discovered and was put on the Eddie Cantor radio show, which 104 00:06:12,280 --> 00:06:15,520 had nationwide exposure and he was a huge hit on it. 105 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:20,960 He went viral, basically 1940s version, and then he signed a 106 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,680 recording contract with RCA Victor and became their best 107 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:29,760 selling pop artist at the time and he was considered a teen 108 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,920 idol. People thought he was really 109 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,200 cute. He had 17 songs in the top ten 110 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,920 in the music charts between 1950 and 1956, and 35 songs in the 111 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:42,920 Top 40. His song Anytime became the 112 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,360 first record to sell a million copies, and he has his song I 113 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:48,480 just thought was interesting. He has his song called You're 114 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,920 Breaking My Heart that I think oddly foreshadows his 115 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,600 relationships because the main lyrics of the song are You're 116 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,400 Breaking My Heart, leaving me for someone new dot dot dot. 117 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,320 Oh, I'm just looking him up now. He was pretty cute. 118 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,520 He had kind of a baby face. He did have a baby face. 119 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,400 And I think when you watch him in video, he's like, because I 120 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,600 think in pictures I'm kind of like, yeah, he's OK. 121 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:13,600 But when I saw him in videos, he did. 122 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:17,800 He did come off very cute and trying brown eyes, you know, And 123 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:20,800 I something about the fact that he is kind of short makes him 124 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:25,120 cute, too. Yeah, but yeah, so he was. 125 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,960 He had a lot of hits in the 40s and early 50s. 126 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,640 And he also had a popular TV show called Coke Time with Eddie 127 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,280 Fisher. How cute. 128 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,520 He had $1,000,000 contract with Coca-Cola and he was called the 129 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,720 Coca-Cola Kid. It was like a nickname. 130 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,400 Oh wait, did you say coke time or cook time? 131 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,640 Coke time? Oh yeah, I thought it was a good 132 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:48,760 cooking show. He did. 133 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:54,360 No, just that Coke was the sponsor, I guess so. 134 00:07:54,360 --> 00:08:00,560 So 50s, it's like ultimate 50s. Similar to Elvis, he was drafted 135 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:06,200 into the US Army in 1951, and he did basic training and then he 136 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:10,040 served a year in Korea. But unlike Elvis, his handlers 137 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,480 were actually able to ensure that he would spend two years in 138 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:18,520 the military as a soloist in the US Army band, rather than do 139 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,840 active duty actual duty. Oh, that's sick. 140 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,160 Yeah. So elevation in the Army. 141 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,400 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was just a music he like 142 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,080 entertained the soldiers basically. 143 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:30,840 It's really nice. Yeah. 144 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,360 But definitely doesn't. I mean, I wouldn't want to be in 145 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,919 the military, so I get it. But it does make Elvis look 146 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:40,840 pretty tough that he actually, because I was reading into his 147 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,159 like, wait, So what did Elvis actually do? 148 00:08:42,159 --> 00:08:45,920 And he did things like, I mean, he didn't actually go to war or 149 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,120 anything, but he did like vehicle maintenance and just 150 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,720 munitions work and latrine cleaning. 151 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,840 And you know, he did legit work, but. 152 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,640 Steady Fisher. Everyday man. 153 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,160 Yeah, yeah, but he was. A singer in the band and. 154 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,000 One of the better positions to. Be. 155 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:06,680 Yeah, And that's nice that they had a band. 156 00:09:06,680 --> 00:09:09,920 I know that is really nice. But while he was in the 157 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,520 military, he was still able to like, have television 158 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,400 appearances and release music that maybe he recorded ahead of 159 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,560 time or something. Like his career didn't stop, it 160 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:24,080 just kept going. So he kind of benefited, 161 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,480 benefited from that. And I think before Debbie 162 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:32,240 Reynolds, he was quite a ladies man and had a lot of flings with 163 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,760 women. And I also read that he had a 164 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,520 fling with Princess Margaret so. Wow, I've been really. 165 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,120 That's crazy her lately because I'm rewatching The Crown. 166 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,400 Oh really? Yeah, that's interesting. 167 00:09:45,560 --> 00:09:47,680 I wonder when it's. Crazy how cut. 168 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,520 I know it's crazy how connected everybody is. 169 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:56,280 So he hasn't met her yet, but who is Debbie Reynolds? 170 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,240 Oh, my gosh. So she's an actress. 171 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,480 You might know her from movies like Singing in the Rain or How 172 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,840 the West was one. She got an awesome yes. 173 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,560 I was going to say those of us, you know, like millennials, 174 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:13,400 younger generation, probably know her from Halloween Town as 175 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,120 Grandma Aggie Cromwell. She's so cute. 176 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,640 I was I was rewatching clips of her. 177 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:26,280 She's beautiful as a grandma. Oh my gosh, she's such a 178 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:27,800 beautiful woman and she's just so cute. 179 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,080 How she? Is vastly overrated. 180 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:30,840 Sorry, what? What were you? 181 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:35,400 Saying no it is cute how? I mean I I'm all for natural 182 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,280 beauty and stuff but I just think it's cute how much she 183 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,200 still like did herself up with makeup and her hair and just 184 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:42,480 cute. Yeah. 185 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:47,720 Debbie Reynolds had a very long acting career and she was born 186 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,760 April 1st in 1932 in El Paso, TX. 187 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,120 So Eddie is 4 years older than her. 188 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:59,520 Her real name is Mary Frances Reynolds, and she went by Franny 189 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,040 when she was younger. So Franny Franny Reynolds. 190 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,520 But then Debbie became her stage name. 191 00:11:04,680 --> 00:11:08,920 Yeah, I guess they didn't think Franny was hip enough. 192 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,760 I don't know. Franny Reynolds, I think. 193 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,880 That's cute. It is cute. 194 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,080 But Debbie's like, oh, Debbie, think of that time period. 195 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,280 I could see that being like the cool girl. 196 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,560 It's so interesting how people just change their names and, you 197 00:11:21,560 --> 00:11:23,760 know, everybody calls her that. Like, does she just think of 198 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,480 herself as a Debbie? I guess so. 199 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,640 I know. Her father was a Carpenter for a 200 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,560 railroad company. Her mother did laundry to make 201 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:33,520 an income. So she definitely grew up pretty 202 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,600 poor and she had an older brother. 203 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,520 She was raised in a very strict Nazarene church and she has said 204 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:44,760 that she was raised very Victorian, so very formal, I'm 205 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,360 guessing very strict. She was a Girl Scout and she was 206 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,600 very into it. She loved talking about the Girl 207 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,400 Scouts. I know she was a very wholesome 208 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:56,720 girl. When she was younger she was 209 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,560 very clean cut. Her family moved to Burbank, CA 210 00:12:00,560 --> 00:12:06,440 when she was seven years old in 1939 and when she was 16 she won 211 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:10,960 Miss Burbank Beauty Contest and she was offered a contract with 212 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,200 Warner Brothers and that's when she was given the stage name 213 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,440 Debbie. So she was signed to Warner 214 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:21,320 Brothers. And sorry, I think I have the 215 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,440 beginning of the story again. I do that a lot so. 216 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,080 I'm like, wait, like I just said that. 217 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,440 Well, she was discovered by Warner Brothers and MGM. 218 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,120 Somehow they both companies were fighting over her. 219 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,120 They both wanted to sign her and they had to flip a coin to see 220 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:41,160 which one would get. Her. 221 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,600 And that's really cute how fair that is. 222 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,360 I know it's really fair. Like, all right, let's just. 223 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,520 I know they could have been like, oh, I'll offer you more 224 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:50,520 money or something. Yeah. 225 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,640 Warner Brothers won the coin toss, and she was with them for 226 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,680 two years. But then when Warner Brothers 227 00:12:57,680 --> 00:13:00,560 stopped making musicals because musicals was really her thing, 228 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,920 she moved to MGM. To me, Debbie seemed like a very 229 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:09,080 fast talker, very energetic, funny, charismatic. 230 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,000 She's a lot of impressions. She kind of reminded me of Ann 231 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,360 Margaret a little bit. She's like how much of A 232 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,720 performer she was and she's a very light and funny person and 233 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,840 she's very open and almost matter of fact about her life. 234 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:26,960 Debbie Reynolds became friends with Elizabeth Taylor. 235 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,720 She's a big star back in the day but became friends with her age, 236 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,720 17. Wait, that's things. 237 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,320 They were friends. Yes. 238 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:37,880 And this is going to be a love triangle. 239 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,880 Yes. Oh, OK. 240 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,240 I know. So Debbie Reynolds became 241 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,000 friends with Elizabeth Taylor at age 17. 242 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,680 Yeah. So she knew Elizabeth before 243 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:50,640 Eddie. They went to school together on 244 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,840 The MGM lot. And Debbie said of her, I was 245 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,520 just a beginner and she and I were not in any manner alike, 246 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,160 but we got along very well because I was in awe of going to 247 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,000 school with Elizabeth Taylor and if anyone said they weren't, 248 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:07,880 then they were lying or blind. Debbie made a big splash in the 249 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:13,320 movie 2 Weeks With Love in 1950, and then she was in the movie 250 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:17,160 Singing in the Rain, which people call the best musical of 251 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,400 all time. She had never been kissed before 252 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,040 until Singing in the Rain when she was 18. 253 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,360 Her first kiss was with Gene Kelly. 254 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,120 I know. That's sweet. 255 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,560 It's crazy. Like that'd be a rarity as a 256 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,760 actress especially. I know she was very wholesome. 257 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:35,560 Yeah. She really was. 258 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,880 She even said that she thought she would just act for a few 259 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,960 years and then go back to school and become a gym teacher. 260 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:48,440 A gym is so cute. Yeah, but she never did go to 261 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:51,320 college. Her acting career was a success. 262 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,920 She was in many movies and TV shows and musicals and stage 263 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:59,760 shows. But we're still in the 1950s, 264 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:04,520 and Debbie meets Eddie Fisher. She wrote about this in her 265 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,120 memoir She wrote. The first time Eddie Fisher 266 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,440 asked me out was as his guest for his opening night at the 267 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,840 Coconut Grove in Hollywood. Her friend was sitting next to 268 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,040 her and she said that she left the show when she saw all the 269 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,440 photographers taking pictures of Eddie and me together. 270 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,440 I didn't learn until much later that he'd also invited her. 271 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,200 I bet he went to her house right after he dropped me off in 272 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:29,160 Burbank. So this is her with like, 273 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,520 hindsight, I guess. But. 274 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,520 Wait, is the friend also Elizabeth Taylor or is it? 275 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:35,680 Different. No, it's a different. 276 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:36,640 It's a different. Friend. 277 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:40,000 Oh wow, interesting, that kind of reminds me someone I dated 278 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:47,560 but whatever who always just had a million people he was talking 279 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:51,480 to at once. I feel like Eddie was that way, 280 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,680 but I don't think Debbie knew that at the time. 281 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:58,040 Yeah, she wrote about that same night later in her memoir in 282 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,360 regards to the movie Athena she wrote. 283 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,720 Probably the most memorable, memorable thing about making 284 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,520 this movie was meeting Eddie Fisher. 285 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,840 Eddie was then a famous singer with his own TV show, and he was 286 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,920 constantly being interviewed. When asked by a reporter what 287 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,720 young lady he would most like to meet, Eddie answered Debbie 288 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,440 Reynolds. So Joe Pasternak brought Eddie 289 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,400 to the set one day and introduced us. 290 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,600 We had our pictures taken and then lunch at the commissary. 291 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,520 The next day, Eddie called my house and invited me to his 292 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,920 opening at the Coconut Grove, a popular nightclub at the 293 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,040 Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles, Los Angeles. 294 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,200 Johnny Grant, mutual friend of ours, had given Eddie my phone 295 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,040 number. My mother was thrilled. 296 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,080 She was a fan of Eddie's TV show. 297 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:39,880 And how old was Eddie at this time? 298 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,040 Because he seems pretty established already. 299 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,240 I have to figure this out. She's like 18. 300 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:51,000 Yeah, I think so. So he would be 22, I think. 301 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,960 So it's not like a crazy age difference, but he but he does 302 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:58,040 have more experience than her. And by the way. 303 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:02,520 Kind of like he is a ladies man and what you said about like can 304 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,319 make people feel special for a moment. 305 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:06,440 That is very dangerous, I feel, especially. 306 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:10,319 It's very dangerous. When they make you feel special. 307 00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:15,079 Yes, keep that in mind. What is it from? 308 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:21,240 Oh, Eclipse. Eclipse game, I was going to 309 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,440 say. By the way, every single person 310 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,920 in this story has at least one memoir. 311 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:34,160 I love that. Or two, it's kind of ridiculous. 312 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,600 No, I didn't. I read excerpts from them, but I 313 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:43,720 didn't read them all. No, but it's kind of crazy. 314 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,880 So that's gonna come up a lot. We don't know a ton about their 315 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,040 early courting days, but they did send telegrams to each 316 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,920 other. I'm assuming they went on dates 317 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,440 and it was very cute and they probably drank Coca-Cola. 318 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,440 And there is one telegram that she mentioned in her book. 319 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:06,480 There's one telegram he wrote. Debbie as a joke, said just 320 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,800 picked up a magazine and didn't see your picture or mine either. 321 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:15,000 What are we going to do? He said that yeah, that's. 322 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:20,280 Cute it is. He is charming. 323 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,400 There have been reports that people have written about that 324 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,200 Eddie and Debbie's marriage was arranged by MGM and that they 325 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,440 sold the couple as America's sweethearts. 326 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,080 But Debbie, I don't think has that perspective at all. 327 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:39,440 And I just think that like him, it seems like he was asked who 328 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,440 do you want to meet? And he said, Debbie Reynolds. 329 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,640 Like to me, that doesn't mean it was a fake relationship or, you 330 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,840 know, like it was all PRI think that when you become famous, 331 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,400 that's like one of the perks of being famous is people like who 332 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:52,560 do you want to meet? OK, we'll set it. 333 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,200 Up for you, you know, exactly because it's like, I mean, that 334 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,680 would be like even in real life if you said, oh, there's someone 335 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,600 that you know, at your college or something, oh, I really want 336 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,600 to meet them. And someone that you say that 337 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,200 you might be like, oh, I know them. 338 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,840 I'll set you up like we can go to this party. 339 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,520 And yeah, when you're famous, you just have connections. 340 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,280 So if you want to meet them, you can. 341 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,800 What's holding you back? I know I I actually always 342 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,240 delusionally think I don't even want to be famous, but like if I 343 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,840 was, if someone asked me, like who do you want to meet? 344 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,360 I always because I feel like that's a question they ask. 345 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:25,320 I don't know why. Yeah, they do. 346 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:27,600 I always think about who I would say. 347 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,320 I kind of, you know, they say don't meet your idols. 348 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:33,840 They do. I don't know if I would want to 349 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,600 meet my favorite celebrities I know. 350 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,240 Maybe maybe not your favorite, but maybe just someone that 351 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:45,440 seems interesting to you. I would love to meet like Oprah. 352 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:49,160 Oh yeah, that would be cool. I feel like that wouldn't 353 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,520 disappoint because she knows how to have a good conversation. 354 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,200 Exactly. You know, that's a good, that's 355 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,240 a good idea. But I also read that his manager 356 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:02,120 didn't want him to commit or like get married yet. 357 00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:05,960 So that makes me think it wasn't, you know, like a setup 358 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:06,680 or. No. 359 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,600 PR or whatever. But I'll, I'll talk about that 360 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,640 more later in 1996. This is way in the future. 361 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,080 But he talked about the beginning of his relationship 362 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,400 with Debbie and he said, I fell in love with Debbie like 363 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,200 everyone else did. I watched it singing in the 364 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,520 rain. I watched it in Korea with a lot 365 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,200 of other guys. So he had a question on her. 366 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:29,000 Well, they're dating now and they become engaged In 1954. 367 00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:32,440 They had a huge engagement party at the Beverly Hills Hotel with 368 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,120 400 people. Wow, that's iconic. 369 00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:39,520 I know that's like a wedding. Yeah, literally. 370 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:44,360 It's weird. Wow, that's huge extravaganza. 371 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,480 I wonder it's for the pre party. I wonder if everyone invited to 372 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,840 the engagement party is then invited to the wedding? 373 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,160 You know what, Mel? I don't think they were. 374 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,160 That's such a good point because I think the wedding was a little 375 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:57,000 smaller. Yeah. 376 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:58,600 That's weird though. I know. 377 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,760 Yeah, you would expect the. You would, apparently. 378 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,200 I don't know if this was at the engagement party, but the 379 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:08,840 comedian Henny Youngman joked that Debbie's engagement ring 380 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,400 was really a broken piece of a Coke bottle. 381 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,880 Since Eddie was Mr. Koch, I thought that was funny. 382 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,000 They were very publicly in love. Eddie would bring her on stage 383 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,720 during performances and would call her my Princess and she 384 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,520 would call him my handsome Prince. 385 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,920 And she went to Philadelphia to stay with his family. 386 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,640 And she wrote in her memoir that this was a really happy time in 387 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,720 her life. Interestingly, she also wrote 388 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,440 that Frank Sinatra advised her to break off her engagement with 389 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,480 Eddie Fisher and said you should think twice about that, sweetie, 390 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,960 Why? Is it because he knew what Eddie 391 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,400 was like or because he wanted? Debbie, I think because he knew 392 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,560 what Eddie was like. Oh, interesting. 393 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,080 Yeah. Or I feel like that's. 394 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:58,800 A good question for the audience, like if you only saw 395 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,800 the good parts of someone, but then other people were saying, 396 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,640 hey, like you might want to rethink this, what would you do? 397 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,640 That would be so hard. I know if it's just hearsay, but 398 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,320 like to you, they're like an incredible person and the 399 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,480 relationship is great and you're super happy. 400 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,800 Yeah, that is a question. What do you think, Mel? 401 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,080 I kind of feel like at this age in my life, like it depends on 402 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,400 who it's coming from. But that's true. 403 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,560 I don't think I would be able, my anxiety and everything, I 404 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,240 wouldn't be able to just let it go and be like, oh, you don't 405 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,600 know what you're talking about because obviously it must be 406 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,160 coming from somewhere. Yeah. 407 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,240 I think you would kind of know in your gut if the person was 408 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,960 saying something true or not. You know, I think you'd kind of 409 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,360 know if if they were confirming your suspicion or if you're 410 00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:47,640 like, what? No, maybe that's naive of me, 411 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:52,160 but I feel like she, I don't know what she thought. 412 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,240 I don't know what she thought of that. 413 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:58,000 But if she had any suspicions about Eddie not being who he 414 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,240 seemed, then maybe she would have listened to him. 415 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,440 But I don't know. That's tough. 416 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,080 Yeah. And it definitely does depend. 417 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,720 Like, if it's someone really close to you, you want to kind 418 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:09,960 of think about that. But. 419 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:11,360 Yeah. If it's just like an 420 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:15,040 acquaintance, that I don't know. Also, if it's like another in 421 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,000 this situation, it's another man. 422 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,440 It makes you call to question like, well, what are what's your 423 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,080 motivation here? Yeah, I know. 424 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,320 I, I would be kind of skeptical of Frank Sinatra's advice, so I 425 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,840 don't know just from what I've. Especially if you're like, 426 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,520 actually heard of him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 427 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,400 It's Debbie Reynolds. So as I said, she was friends 428 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:38,760 with Elizabeth Taylor and her boyfriend, then husband at the 429 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,960 time was the producer Mike Todd, who was her third husband. 430 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,760 In case anyone doesn't know, Elizabeth goes on to have seven 431 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,960 husbands. That's like her claim to fame 432 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:53,040 besides being an actress. But Mike with his husband and 433 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,640 Elizabeth, Eddie and Debbie were all friends. 434 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,240 They were a couple friends. In 1955, Eddie and Debbie got 435 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:00,720 married. They were married in the 436 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,880 Catskills in New York. And the wedding was really 437 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,600 beloved by American audiences. People were calling them 438 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,840 America's sweethearts. And I have a newspaper article I 439 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,680 want to read. It says singer Eddie Fisher and 440 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,760 actress Debbie Reynolds, who kept the show business world 441 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,880 agog for a year with their romance, were married Monday 442 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,040 night in a 3 minute ceremony. Eddie kissed his bride with 443 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:29,560 gusto and she side with delight. Sullivan County Judge Lawrence 444 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,600 Cook performed the simple ceremony in a cottage at the 445 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,640 Hotel Grossinger, a Catskill Mountain resort 100 miles from 446 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,960 New York. Eddie got his start there six 447 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,440 years ago. Eddie Mumbles. 448 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,400 The young couple repeated their marital vows in clear voices, 449 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,240 but Eddie's I Do was barely audible. 450 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,960 In the living room of the cottage crowded crowded with 451 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,640 relatives and friends, 6 candles burned in a Candelabra. 452 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,920 The room was banked with white flowers. 453 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,000 In another room, A6 tiered 5 foot wedding cake was the 454 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,080 centerpiece for the wedding reception. 455 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,200 After the ceremony, Judge Cook told the bride and groom, I know 456 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,160 the ceremony was planned for yesterday. 457 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,280 I admire you, Mr. Fisher for keeping the precepts of your 458 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,760 religion and you, Misses Fisher, for respecting your husband's 459 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,720 beliefs. Yom Kippur. 460 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,040 He referred to the Yom Kippur, the Jewish day of Atonement, 461 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,480 which began Sunday and ended the sundown Monday. 462 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,160 Eddie is Jewish and spent the day at a quiet religious service 463 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,480 and meditation. The wedding was delayed for an 464 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,120 hour because the bride's mother, Mrs. Maxine Reynolds of Burbank, 465 00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:30,320 CA, arrived late. Heavy traffic held her up and 466 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,800 she needed time to dress for the new jewels. 467 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,480 Oh, I like that detail. OK. 468 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:41,680 That seems very real to me too. I OK, just a little bit more 469 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,400 about the claim. I asked, I asked Charlie this, 470 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,000 like, do you think people actually get married just for 471 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,280 PR? And he said, yeah, sure. 472 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,520 And so then I was researching it and I came across some articles 473 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,760 saying that like, there have been celebrities that get 474 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,120 married, but they don't actually get married. 475 00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:00,040 Like they don't actually legally get married. 476 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,240 They just have a wedding. Oh, really? 477 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,520 Like, yeah, there was like some reality people. 478 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:08,240 Brody Jenner. Yeah, I think so. 479 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,320 There's been people, they just never actually do it. 480 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,640 It's like they just have the ceremony and party. 481 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,280 So yeah, I just find it hard to believe people would literally 482 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,200 like, have children. Yeah, especially for their 483 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,320 religious parts of your ceremony. 484 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,160 I just don't think that you would really fake that. 485 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,440 But I mean, some people do get married for reasons other than 486 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:32,000 that. They love you. 487 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,080 That's true. That's. 488 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:35,640 True, arranged marriages and people get married for business 489 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,040 purposes in a sense so. That's. 490 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,040 True, like a huge stretch to think that people would have 491 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,680 ulterior motives. Yeah. 492 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,760 And we've, we've said before too, that like sometimes people 493 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,920 might not even be like consciously in a PR 494 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,040 relationship, but it kind of is, if that makes sense, you know 495 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,080 what I mean? Even like Elton John got married 496 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,400 to a woman like in the 70s or whatever, and obviously that was 497 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,040 like arranged like it was wasn't because he wanted to was like 498 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,920 for the look of it. So I do think people might get 499 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,000 married for those reasons, but. That's true. 500 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:10,880 That's true. Well, we'll, we'll explore. 501 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,760 Debbie has said that she was very inexperienced before their 502 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,800 marriage, that she was a virgin who still lived with her 503 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,800 parents, but Eddie was definitely not 1956 Debbie 504 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,000 Reynolds and Eddie Fisher and had their first child together, 505 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:29,560 a daughter named Carrie Fisher who you guys probably know. 506 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,120 She's Princess Leia in Star Wars. 507 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:36,800 She's in When Harry met Sally scene stealer. 508 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:42,560 Honestly she's hilarious. I have been, I I knew I 509 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:43,840 shouldn't. I was like getting distracted. 510 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,520 I'm like, this is supposed to be about Dave Reynolds and Eddie 511 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,040 Fisher, but I started going down and Carrie Fisher rabbit hole. 512 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,560 And I know, I know so many people already know this and I'm 513 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,600 like, so late to the game, but she is just awesome. 514 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,080 Oh yeah. She is so funny, so down to 515 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,800 earth. She's like the coolest lady. 516 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,800 I love her. I'm like becoming obsessed with 517 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:09,320 her, so I know, wow. Yeah, she seemed awesome. 518 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,600 Yeah, So she was born. Eddie and Debbie starred in a 519 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,000 movie together called Bundle of Joy as the leads. 520 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,360 It was a musical and it was a remake of, like, a 1930s movie, 521 00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:25,640 But it was basically about a woman that finds a baby left on 522 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,680 a doorstep and becomes responsible for the baby. 523 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,200 And then she falls in love with Eddie Fisher's character. 524 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,320 And, you know, there's all these like, random reasons that she's 525 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,480 like pretending that's the babe, her baby. 526 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,160 And, you know, but it's it seemed cute. 527 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,320 And maybe I'll like put in a clip of them singing together. 528 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:09,160 Honest to goodness I do. Honest to goodness, I do. 529 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:17,080 But apparently according to her memoir, her and Eddie were 530 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,440 fighting a lot while filming this because he was new to 531 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,760 acting, he wasn't an actor and he was sort of struggling and 532 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,240 she would try to help him but he wouldn't accept her advice. 533 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,960 I would get kind of annoyed when she gave him pointers and they 534 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,280 had a fight on the way to set. One day he was picking at her 535 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,840 for wearing a cross necklace since he was Jewish. 536 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,160 They had some like argument about that and they started 537 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,240 fighting and then she said let me get out of the car and she 538 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,920 got out of the car and walked like 3 blocks to set. 539 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,560 So they definitely had some drama during that movie. 540 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,040 Yeah, I could see that she's just trying to help him out. 541 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,480 But yeah, he probably had kind of a fragile ego. 542 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,680 It seemed like he did, but you know, he was just a singer. 543 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,440 Yeah. But people didn't know about 544 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,520 that. They thought it was just, I 545 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,720 mean, I think their marriage was still okay, but they were 546 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,480 fighting. But everyone did still think of 547 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,560 them as this like wholesome couple, America's sweethearts. 548 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,880 They just had a baby and they had a baby in this movie. 549 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,800 It felt like it was really them, you know? 550 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,360 Yeah, I know. I was going to say that's 551 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,440 interesting. The parallel with them having 552 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,800 just had a baby in real life. Yeah, but I bet also having a 553 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,120 newborn at home was like adding stress to them. 554 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,080 Yes, I'm sure they had helped, but. 555 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,000 Probably I read now. I don't remember where I read 556 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:40,440 this, but I read that Eddie was performing at the Tropicana 557 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,960 Hotel in Vegas and that he had some affairs during that time, 558 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,920 including the model Pat Sheehan. I know, and I don't know if 559 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,080 Debbie, I don't know if Debbie knew about that. 560 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:58,920 But and then 1958, they had a second child, a son named Todd 561 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,680 Fisher. And Todd is actually named after 562 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:09,240 their couple friend Mike Todd. Mike Todd and was a Taylor that 563 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,360 couple because they were such good friends with him that they 564 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,360 named their son after him. Oh my. 565 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,760 God, he's such good friends with Todd. 566 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,360 And then later he's going to get with Liz Taylor. 567 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:29,440 Yes, Todd's. Ex Yes, so tragically, 4 weeks 568 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:35,560 after Todd Fisher was born, on March 22nd, 1958, Mike Todd was 569 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:40,640 killed in a plane crash. Oh, that's terrible. 570 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,440 I guess that's a little. Bit different I know it was a 571 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,840 cross country flight on an 11 seater plane. 572 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,880 It was his plane that he called the Liz, and it was heading to 573 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,440 the East Coast and it encountered a storm over Nevada 574 00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:00,640 and the plane went down and Todd, the pilot, copilot and Art 575 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,960 Cohn, who was writing Todd's biography, all died. 576 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,600 It's so tragic. And scary. 577 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,320 Wait so did they name the baby Todd before that or after that? 578 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,040 Yeah, before. Wow, that's kind of crazy. 579 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,520 Kind of weird, I know. He. 580 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,560 Was just like a regular friend. I always thought in Jewish 581 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,040 tradition maybe this is like Orthodox Jewish. 582 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,400 You're not supposed to name your baby after someone who's still 583 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,880 living. That's weird if that's true. 584 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,200 I'm not sure if it is that's I just heard that once, but I 585 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,560 guess that's a little bit different. 586 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,680 Like I said earlier, Oh, he gets with his friend's ex, but I 587 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,560 don't know like if your friend died, I obviously I think you 588 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:49,080 have to wait a while, but I feel like most people, I don't know 589 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,680 what do you guys think? I feel like most people would 590 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:56,320 think, Oh I want my friend and my significant other to be happy 591 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,200 and like I'm not around so like. That's. 592 00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,880 True. Happy if they can be together, I 593 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,360 don't know. Yeah, I feel like people did 594 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,960 interpret it very differently, like there were two sides to it 595 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,080 for sure. Yeah, that aspect, I know it's 596 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:14,880 tough, but the fact is he isn't alive to be jealous or anything. 597 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,360 So it it does change things. And they both did love Mike 598 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,360 Todd, so you know. But anyway. 599 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,960 That could be bonding. Yes, but Elizabeth was 600 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,080 absolutely distressed, inconsolable. 601 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,760 She couldn't eat. She was just devastated. 602 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,000 I would be too. I that's just so scary, the 603 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,040 thought of someone dying in a plane. 604 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,240 So I would just feel so horrible if that happened to someone I 605 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,680 loved. So Debbie went over to Liz's 606 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,800 house and offered to to take care of Elizabeth's three 607 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,360 children. She'd have three children while 608 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,680 she grieved. So over the next few weeks, 609 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,600 Debbie was busy taking care of five kids like her two kids and 610 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,320 then Elizabeth's three kids. That's so sweet. 611 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,160 Of her it is really sweet and. Really, really close that they 612 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,920 were helping out in her time. Yeah, I would say they were like 613 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:12,440 best friends. And Eddie, interestingly, went 614 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,560 to take care of Elizabeth, to cheer her up, to keep her 615 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,040 company. And Debbie wasn't worried. 616 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,520 She said. After all, Eddie had loved Mike, 617 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,159 too. Eddie was just being there for 618 00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:30,280 her during this horrible time. And the weird thing is, in her 619 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,040 memoir, Debbie says Eddie was staying at her house for days 620 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,520 and would come home to get fresh new clothes. 621 00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:38,320 No. Why would he? 622 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,280 Why would he sleep over? I don't understand. 623 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,440 I'm sure she does have other friends who can do that to her. 624 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,400 That is weird to me. That's weird. 625 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,080 That makes me wonder, like, did you think something was going 626 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:54,920 on? Were you kind of OK with it? 627 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,600 Like why would you be OK with your husband sleeping all over? 628 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,400 It makes me wonder if like something happened before, like 629 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,400 if he they had a even if they didn't act on it, they had like 630 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,760 feelings for each other. Also, I know you're taking care 631 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,720 of five kids on your own. You're taking care of Liz's kids 632 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,000 and she's like up to no good with your husband. 633 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,120 I know it's so strange. I know she's grieving, but that 634 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,280 does not sit right with me. I know that doesn't sit right 635 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,800 with me either. I thought that was really 636 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,240 strange. Like I, I wish I could ask 637 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,480 Debbie Reynolds. Like, what did you think of 638 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:34,040 that? Why? 639 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,680 Why? Why was that normal for him to 640 00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:42,120 be sleeping over? And also, oh, no, I don't know. 641 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,600 She didn't say. Yeah, she didn't say. 642 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,960 Apparently. Also at this time, Elizabeth 643 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,120 Taylor's recent ex-husband, so her second husband, Michael 644 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,320 Wilding, was hanging around too. I don't really know why. 645 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,040 I don't know why he resurfaced at this moment, but he was 646 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:06,680 hanging out, helping out also, and he was hopeful that he was 647 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,840 going to get back together with Elizabeth Taylor now that Mike 648 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:14,800 Todd had died. So he's also kind of in the 649 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,600 picture. I know. 650 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,520 Oh my gosh. But Elizabeth did get back to 651 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,080 work. She was filming Cat on Hot Tin 652 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,240 Roof and then had to do press for it because this was in 653 00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:32,240 March, so I don't know if they just edited movies really 654 00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:35,520 quickly or something because then the movie came out in 655 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,000 August. So she went to the premiere in 656 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,720 New York and Debbie knew that Elizabeth was there and she 657 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:45,520 thought that Eddie was on tour performing. 658 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,120 And she was alone in the house with the kids and was feeling 659 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,240 kind of lonely. And she called Elizabeth at her 660 00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:56,280 hotel to chat, and that's when Eddie answered the phone. 661 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:57,920 Are you? Kidding me? 662 00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:00,760 No. Well, she thought that Eddie was 663 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,320 on tour. Yeah. 664 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,680 So he lied to her. Yes. 665 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,800 Oh, my God. And apparently Debbie said Kids, 666 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,240 that's terrible. Debbie said roll over darling, 667 00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:17,920 and let me speak to Elizabeth. I know it's crazy. 668 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,600 God. She must have had some 669 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,640 suspicions, I think. She must. 670 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:27,200 I know the sleeping over thing is really questionable to me. 671 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,600 Yeah. She had to have had some like I 672 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,360 think there must have been some denial going on, Debbie told 673 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,800 Daily Mail in 2010. She said suddenly a lot of 674 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,640 things clicked into place. I could hear her voice asking 675 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,240 him who was calling. They were obviously in bed 676 00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:44,600 together. I yelled at him. 677 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:46,960 I was I just said roll over, darling, and let me speak to 678 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,760 Elizabeth. And she said I was the last to 679 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,040 find out about the affair at There had been hints in the 680 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,320 papers and I had noticed that when I turned up at functions or 681 00:37:55,320 --> 00:38:00,240 parties on my own, my friends were whispering that's. 682 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,240 So it seems like she was so wholesome though too that she 683 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:05,960 just like. Trusted him. 684 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,920 Yeah, I know. I think she did. 685 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,840 My heart breaks for her. I hope it. 686 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,880 She ended it with him right away, I hope. 687 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:21,680 Well, no. Nope, no, but I'll I'll get to 688 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,280 that in a minute. That's unforgivable. 689 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,840 That's I know, but so like, how did the public first find out 690 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,240 about this? Of course there there were 691 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:32,680 rumors in the magazines and such as she said. 692 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:39,000 But the gossip gossip columnist Hedda Hopper called Elizabeth 693 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,800 Taylor and asked about the rumors about her and Eddie 694 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,800 Fisher. And surprisingly, Elizabeth 695 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,200 admitted to it. She said I don't go about 696 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,600 breaking up marriages. You can't break up a happy 697 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,160 marriage. Debbie's and Eddie's never has 698 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,840 been. And Hedda demanded. 699 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,920 What do you suppose Mike would say to this? 700 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:03,760 And Elizabeth said, well, Mike is dead and I'm alive, which is 701 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:08,040 apparently an echo of her lion and cat on a hot tin roof. 702 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,320 And then she said, what do you expect me to do Is sleep alone? 703 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,400 That's so selfish. I mean, I know. 704 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,480 She could just. Go back with the other 705 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,720 ex-husband that's trying to get back with her. 706 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:26,200 She has a whole line of people ready to date her that she could 707 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,160 pick from. She could get any man she wants. 708 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,640 She doesn't have to go after her friend's husband. 709 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,560 I know, so suck. She's not a girl's girl. 710 00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:37,560 No, definitely not. Definitely not. 711 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,680 I know why why him? I I mean, people have said that 712 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,920 both Elizabeth and Eddie just missed Todd so much that, you 713 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,520 know, they wanted to be with like the person closest to him. 714 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,440 But I mean, that's not an excuse, I don't think. 715 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,920 And you know, I asked you guys on Patreon, I asked a poll just 716 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,880 scrolling to it. I asked about dating a friend's 717 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,320 ex. Now this is not dating a 718 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,200 friend's ex. This is dating a friend's 719 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,040 current husband. But I felt like that was pretty 720 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,080 bad. I felt like that was too 721 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,960 horrible and specific to. Make a poll like who would be OK 722 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,440 with? That I don't know. 723 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,960 But let's just say, OK, let's say she's right and maybe she 724 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,280 was, that their relationship wasn't good anyway. 725 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,680 I mean, they were still married. But kids together? 726 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,240 Yeah, but let's just say maybe Elizabeth Taylor's right and 727 00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:35,680 that they didn't have a good marriage. 728 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,040 Whatever. But anyway, I polled you guys 729 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,440 and said dating a friend's ex an inexcusable offence. 730 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:48,160 Or is it sometimes justified and 58% of you said it depends, love 731 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,200 is love and 42% of you said never? 732 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,520 OK to date a friend's ex. So it's pretty, pretty close. 733 00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,400 How do you feel about it? Well, OK, this situation is 734 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,520 definitely more dramatic than like they're not even broken up 735 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,160 yet. So I think it's a bit different. 736 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,800 And I I agree, like people commented and I do agree with a 737 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,480 lot of people that it really depends. 738 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:16,720 It depends how close you are with your friend. 739 00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:20,840 I think it depends how recently they broke up. 740 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,240 It depends how serious the relationship was. 741 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,000 But like, let's say it is your best, I think best friend. 742 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,200 No, I don't think that's OK. No, I don't think so, unless it 743 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,040 was like a casual fling and they don't care and they're totally 744 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,560 that's true. And then they're like. 745 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,280 But you, you really have to. You have to make sure the other 746 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,760 person doesn't care, you know, because sometimes people assume 747 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,160 like, oh, it wasn't a big deal, Yeah. 748 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,480 You need your friend's blessing for sure. 749 00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:50,440 Yes. But I think most people wouldn't 750 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,040 unless your best friend didn't really care. 751 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,000 Most people wouldn't do that unless they didn't really value 752 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,680 the friendship that well. And like you might not know that 753 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,200 someone didn't really value your friendship until they did 754 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,680 something like that. Like Debbie probably thought she 755 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,080 was really good friends with Elizabeth. 756 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,600 But like when all is said and done, at the end of the day, 757 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,760 Elizabeth that's true give a shit about her friends because. 758 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,360 She was willing to throw it away. 759 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:19,240 Yeah, yeah, I want to read some comments, Teresa said. 760 00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:22,040 I got into a serious argument with a Co worker about this. 761 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,120 I am team. It depends forever. 762 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:29,040 She was arguing so vehemently against it, how it is never OK 763 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,160 under any circumstances. And I was getting so aggravated 764 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,520 because even though I personally would think very hard before 765 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,760 dating a friend's ex, I think relationships are way too 766 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,800 complicated for never slash always type rules. 767 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,760 Like come on, context exists. Yeah, I agree with that. 768 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,640 I do agree it really depends. It's hard to have rules for like 769 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,720 everything Kate said. I feel in some friend groups 770 00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:52,800 there's so much overlap. I feel like it has to happen 771 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,280 occasionally. But I believe in a chart of 772 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,040 amount of time that has passed and how serious the relationship 773 00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,800 was to determine what's respectable or not. 774 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,400 Oh yeah, like any TV show, there's overlap within the 775 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,440 friend. Oh, I know, I know. 776 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,000 They're always dating their friends exes. 777 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,240 Yes, Miroslava said. If they are truly over each 778 00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:18,200 other, dot dot dot. Also if the ex didn't do 779 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:24,040 something really bad, Yeah if. This ex like left you crying and 780 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,160 you were confiding in your friend and they were consoling 781 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:32,280 you like it's off limits. That's why I think what happened 782 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:37,840 on Girls HBO was not cool. Oh yeah, I don't think it's 783 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,840 cool, Jessa, no. You listen to Hannah talk about 784 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,640 Adam for years. No, But yeah, I guess some 785 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,600 people just make a decision. They're like, you know what? 786 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:52,480 This friendship isn't as important to me as this romantic 787 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,960 partner. So, but also I'm going to go. 788 00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:00,880 Shitty of Eddie Fisher to not have some self-control to be 789 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,080 like, I know, like if he wants out of the marriage, that's one 790 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,760 thing. But again, like you can have 791 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,280 your you have options. You don't have to get with your 792 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,360 wife's good friend and like break her heart even harder than 793 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,160 it has to. I know. 794 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,600 And I do think why? I mean, it's probably really 795 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,040 scary when we're not all perfect, you know, we're all 796 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,880 learning on this earth. But it would have been admirable 797 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:31,080 if someone talked to Debbie about what was happening, you 798 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,760 know, just to blind side her like that is really shitty. 799 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,800 Yeah. And that's like traumatizing, 800 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,600 like that type of betrayal because then the rest of her 801 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,680 life she's going to wonder, like, is anybody even being 802 00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:44,640 honest with me? Can I trust anybody? 803 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,440 Especially the fact that like other people knew Besides like 804 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:51,040 the fact that she was like the last to know It's. 805 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,320 So sad, so sad. There were tons of paparazzi and 806 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,920 journalists outside their house constantly. 807 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:02,040 It seemed really overwhelming. And I was just looking at her 808 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,560 memoir and I won't read this whole thing, but it was clear to 809 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,120 me that her and Elizabeth were really good friends. 810 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,440 They were in Elizabeth and Mike's wedding. 811 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,560 She was the matron of Otter Honor. 812 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:19,760 Eddie was Mike's best man. They, you know, hung out all the 813 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,400 time, had dinner. I'm not funny right now, but 814 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,880 there's some story about her like washing Elizabeth's hair. 815 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:29,360 Like they were really close. So it's not like they were just 816 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,520 acquaintances or something. They were they were best 817 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,520 friends. But Eddie and Debbie didn't 818 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,480 break up right away, though they did stay together for at least 819 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,840 like 6 more months. She really didn't want to get 820 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,680 divorced and she was very religious, she said. 821 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,000 I was very religious, so I didn't believe in divorce. 822 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,680 But they laid guilt on me that I was keeping them and their true 823 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,840 love apart. So I finally let Eddie off the 824 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,040 hook. And. 825 00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:57,280 Interestingly, there were a lot of headlines at the time that 826 00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,920 said like let Eddie and Elizabeth be happy. 827 00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,400 So even though most people were on Debbie's side, there were 828 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,960 some people on the other side that were like, let him be with 829 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,000 Elizabeth, which I find interesting. 830 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,840 Yeah, that is a lot like Jennifer Aniston. 831 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,400 Yeah. Angelina Jolie, though, 'cause I 832 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,400 feel like Angelina Jolie, she was seen as like the more 833 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,800 obviously. Oh my gosh, it's so similar. 834 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:23,360 Yeah, like Jennifer is really hot, but like, Angelina was seen 835 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:28,640 as the sexier one in a sense. And like Jennifer was the girl 836 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,120 next door. And that's so Debbie, the girl 837 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:36,400 next door, and then Elizabeth Taylor is this seductress sexy 838 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,040 and both both. Like the white swan and the 839 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:43,000 Black Swan. Yes, and it's the true, like 840 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:47,360 both of the women they left, four had dark hair. 841 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:48,440 And yeah. I don't know. 842 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,240 It is interesting. And then there were people on 843 00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:57,080 Angelina Jolie's side, too, you know, They're just like Brad's 844 00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,480 not happy with Jen. He should be with Angelina, you 845 00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,640 know. People there are contrarians, 846 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,680 yes. But they did get divorced. 847 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:15,480 Divorced February 19th, 1959 after four years of marriage. 848 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,560 They actually weren't married that long in the grand scheme of 849 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,960 things, Debbie told the Saturday Evening Post. 850 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,720 When I came home from Europe, people kept asking me, will you 851 00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:25,480 give Eddie a divorce or won't you? 852 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,720 It wasn't a new question. Eddie had asked me and I said 853 00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:30,280 no. But when I was coming home on 854 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,520 that plane and I knew there would be people waiting for me 855 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,040 at the airport, I prepared a last statement on the subject. 856 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,680 It was this position in which I am placed makes it necessary for 857 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,440 me to give my consent, but they would have gotten married 858 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,160 anyway. She's and then she said seems 859 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,400 like all I did last year was prepare statements. 860 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,160 It's it was a very pressured year for me. 861 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,600 In that one year, I had enough emotions to wear me. 862 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,880 Out. It sucks, but like at the end of 863 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,800 the day, like you can't keep someone, you can't stay married 864 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,680 if someone doesn't want to be married to you. 865 00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:03,120 So sad. If someone wants a divorce, you 866 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,120 just for your own benefit to let them go. 867 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,840 Later in life, this is way, I mean, I'm jumping ahead, but I 868 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,600 just wanted to put it here because their daughter, Carrie 869 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,720 Fisher, you know, she would do comedy shows. 870 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:22,720 And she told the story about Eddie leaving her mother for 871 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,680 Elizabeth Taylor. And she described it. 872 00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:30,760 He rushed to her side, gradually moving her to the front. 873 00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:32,040 Oh my. God. 874 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,960 He consoled her with flowers, and ultimately he consoled her 875 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,680 with his penis. Oh my God, did she? 876 00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,160 Did he have a relationship with his kids? 877 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,480 So I was going to say this in a bit, but he was pretty distant 878 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,520 with Carrie and Todd, which is sad. 879 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:56,840 And Debbie said that that was the most hurtful thing that he 880 00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,600 did, more than like the whole is with. 881 00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,080 Oh, yeah, just that he was dissident. 882 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:06,360 Yeah, Carrie really had issues with, I think all of his kids 883 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,960 had a lot of issues with him, so I don't think he was such a 884 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,880 great guy. Did he have kids with other 885 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,000 people besides Debbie? Yes, he did. 886 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,240 He did. Later in life, in a Larry King 887 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,520 interview, Eddie claimed that he didn't leave Debbie for 888 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,120 Elizabeth and that they were already going to get divorced. 889 00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,320 But then I wrote, what's the truth? 890 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,800 He because if it was true, then like, why did it take a while? 891 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,520 Why, why were people like begging Debbie to let them 892 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,000 divorce? So I honestly, I don't believe 893 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,080 Eddie. I don't really believe things he 894 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,440 says. So I I just don't buy that. 895 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,280 Why don't you like when people say stuff like that we were 896 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,200 going to get divorced. OK, well then why not until you 897 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,640 are divorced? That's true. 898 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,360 Like just get divorced and then get together like. 899 00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:03,880 Yeah, I know because also it seems to me like you were gonna 900 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,520 but you didn't. That seems to me that you were 901 00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,440 trying to fix your relationship maybe or trying to work on it. 902 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:15,040 But then sleeping with Elizabeth Taylor is not trying to work on 903 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,280 your marriage. Yeah, exactly. 904 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,880 There was like absolutely no hope of you making that work if 905 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,600 you do that so. And also like regardless, you 906 00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:27,920 obviously weren't being honest with her about you being with 907 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,720 Elizabeth so it's like a betrayal no matter what. 908 00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:34,240 I hope he felt guilty, but it doesn't seem like he did. 909 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,480 No no, no no. I've I've read people said that 910 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,880 like he I don't know if I included it, but that he doesn't 911 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,520 seem to acknowledge that he did anything. 912 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,160 Wrong. I almost seems like a 913 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,560 narcissist. Mel, that's OK later in this 914 00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,760 document, I'm sorry this is getting long, but I have like my 915 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:58,040 like thesis that he's a narcissist 'cause I think he is. 916 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,800 I'm getting that vibe. I think he is and that's why I 917 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,320 don't believe things he says. Yeah, seems like he's really 918 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,040 good at charming people, but then, yeah, he abandons them 919 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:13,880 without any remorse at all. Yes, in this rumor that he their 920 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:18,760 their relationship was just studio arranged was said by him. 921 00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:21,920 So I just don't believe it. No. 922 00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,640 I don't believe him. I don't either. 923 00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:29,240 No one has anything good to say about him once I get to know 924 00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:33,120 him. That sucks though, it sucks that 925 00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,080 he like comes across so different I. 926 00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,240 Know well that's how narcissists are. 927 00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:42,120 They're so charming, they are infectious, they make you feel 928 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:43,280 so special. That's why they're. 929 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:44,720 Dangerous. Exactly. 930 00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:48,320 And then I feel like once they betray you, you're still looking 931 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,240 for that person to come back like the original person. 932 00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:53,640 Yeah, where did where did he go? I know. 933 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,640 That's. Because it does seem like the 934 00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:01,240 beginning of the relationship was so happy and sweet and my 935 00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:07,480 Princess, you know, she she also referenced and it's pretty on 936 00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:13,720 open that Eddie did have drug problems and that he was getting 937 00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:17,800 high from his friendly physician, Mr. Needles. 938 00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:21,640 Oh I know, I'm not sure what he's taking with needles but 939 00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,520 can't be good. No, it really never is. 940 00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,920 It does seem like a source of issue in their relationship was 941 00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,800 that Eddie didn't think that she was sexual enough for him. 942 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:37,880 But I find it kind of funny that twice in her memoir, she said 943 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,680 that Eddie didn't show her what he wanted and implied that like, 944 00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,640 maybe if he showed her what he wanted or showed her what to do, 945 00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,600 it wouldn't have been a problem. And then she wrote, Obviously 946 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,760 Eddie felt the need to blame our failed marriage on me. 947 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,680 Yeah, that's so. Hurtful, yeah. 948 00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,120 But I mean, even though it sounds like their relationship 949 00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,760 was kind of strained, I think that they were still definitely 950 00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:03,040 married. Yeah. 951 00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:07,880 You know, she I don't think that they weren't really together, 952 00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,600 separated or anything. They definitely were together 953 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,280 when this all happened. Well, it happened so quickly 954 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,520 too. Yeah, yeah, it did. 955 00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:19,120 So three months after their divorce, Eddie Fisher and 956 00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,640 Elizabeth Taylor married. Oh my God. 957 00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:28,120 Yep, on May 12th 1959. Weirdly, on Wikipedia it says 958 00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,640 that they got married the same day that Debbie and Eddie 959 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,320 divorced. Oh wow. 960 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:37,520 But that's not that's not true. I don't know why. 961 00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,040 It's like I I even saw that online, like they got married 962 00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,440 the same day their divorce was finalized, but it's actually 963 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:45,000 not. True. 964 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,320 I wonder if you can do that if you married in one day. 965 00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,400 That would be insane. A lot to process. 966 00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,600 Oh my gosh. Yeah. 967 00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,480 So as I said, he was pretty absent with his kids from then 968 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:08,640 on, Debbie wrote. He wasn't mean or vicious to us, 969 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,040 just absent. And Carrie and Todd Fisher have 970 00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,280 said many times that Eddie was not present in their life. 971 00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,680 But as tough as this was for tearing their families apart, 972 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,880 this did greatly benefit Debbie's career. 973 00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,560 She was more in demand than ever. 974 00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,560 Like, America really took her side in this love triangle. 975 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,920 However, Eddie Fisher's star power was forever tarnished by 976 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,840 this. Yeah. 977 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:40,800 His TV show was not renewed in 1959, and he was soon back to 978 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:45,760 touring nightclubs and lounges. And his son said, well, Todd 979 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,840 wasn't even there. But like, I mean, he was, but he 980 00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,760 was like, a baby. But he said there was outrage. 981 00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:54,200 My dad had, like, contracts cancelled for morality clauses. 982 00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,520 It literally ruined his career. Wow, yeah, like that Doesn't 983 00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:01,120 really often happen. I know. 984 00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,880 Men particularly like Brad Pitt, like his career, did not suffer 985 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,240 at all. Oh my. 986 00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:10,840 Gosh, not at all. But I mean, it's in a way it's 987 00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,520 like kind of embarrassing for him. 988 00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,280 I'm sure he found other people after Elizabeth Taylor. 989 00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,960 But it's like, OK, you leave your wife like you were this it 990 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,120 couple and like you leave your wife to just be like granted, we 991 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,040 didn't know how many times she would get married at the time, 992 00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,880 but like the 4th husband out of seven like. 993 00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,440 OK, no, Yeah. He doesn't even know what's 994 00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:38,240 going to happen. And that might be the moral of 995 00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:40,320 the story. Sometimes, like a simpler life 996 00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:41,680 is better. Maybe you just should have 997 00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,960 stayed with Debbie Reynolds. Like just I, I just don't think 998 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,680 good things came for him after this. 999 00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:51,120 But it's the past. Elizabeth's career suffered a 1000 00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:52,800 little bit. There was like a little dip, 1001 00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,440 like backlash. Some people think she didn't win 1002 00:55:55,440 --> 00:56:00,040 the Oscar for Cat on the Hot Tin Roof because of this, but her 1003 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,440 career did bounce back and she did win an Oscar later. 1004 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,600 But kind of reminds me of like Christmas Stewart. 1005 00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,680 Like I feel like there was a little while that people hated 1006 00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,400 her and she lost some roles, but then she came back. 1007 00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:15,800 People love her now people don't. 1008 00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,600 Forget about that. Yeah, so I got to say I am 1009 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,880 pretty happy with America for 1950s America for, you know, 1010 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:28,280 seemingly siding with the women more and hating Eddie Fisher. 1011 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,120 I'm not going to touch on Eddie and Elizabeth too much because 1012 00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,200 I'm going to go into them next time. 1013 00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:43,720 But As for the rest of Debbie's life, in the 1960s, she 1014 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:48,760 remarried the millionaire businessman Harry Karl, and they 1015 00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:53,000 were together from 1960 to 1973. But he had gambling, gambling 1016 00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:57,200 problems and he spent all her money and it took, it took her 1017 00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,400 like 12 years to get out of his debt. 1018 00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,000 Oh my God, she. Can't. 1019 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:06,800 I know, I know. She seemed to love being a mom, 1020 00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:11,400 and she was a Girl Girl Scout troop leader for Carrie Fisher's 1021 00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,800 troop and her stepdaughter Harry, Carl's daughter. 1022 00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,760 She continued to act and perform. 1023 00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,320 In 1965, Debbie and Elizabeth both had movies out at the same 1024 00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,080 time. Elizabeth was the Sandpiper and 1025 00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:28,160 Debbie's was the unsinkable Molly Brown, and this caused the 1026 00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,760 public to relive and rehash the drama. 1027 00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,480 Oh yeah, sure. There were, like, magazine 1028 00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:34,400 articles. Yeah. 1029 00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,000 Like, remember when this happened a couple of years ago? 1030 00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:39,760 Let's get into it again, I feel like. 1031 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,880 People are always doing even like, even though I don't even 1032 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,000 think there was necessarily cheating involved. 1033 00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,760 I don't know, we'll see. But with Selena Gomez and Hayley 1034 00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,800 Bieber, Oh, yeah, Like, every few years, people keep hitting 1035 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,800 them against each other and being like, are you teams, 1036 00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:59,360 Haley? OK, that was years ago now. 1037 00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,280 Yeah, and they still do that with Jen and Angelina. 1038 00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,040 Oh. Yeah, to this day. 1039 00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,480 Yeah, so they were pated against each other. 1040 00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,600 The Sandpiper did do better at the box office, but Debbie was 1041 00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,360 nominated for an Oscar for Unsinkable Molly Brown. 1042 00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,360 So who who won that battle? I don't. 1043 00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,800 It's kind of. I think you're nominated for an 1044 00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:20,640 awesome. Yeah, I know. 1045 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:24,760 That's true. But then some people would win 1046 00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:30,360 the critical, yeah, that's true critical acclaim rather than the 1047 00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,280 box office success. Me. 1048 00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,880 Me too. Me too, Debbie told people in 1049 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,000 1983. I never felt bitter about 1050 00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,520 Elizabeth. A man doesn't leave a woman for 1051 00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,440 another woman unless he wants to go. 1052 00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,880 You know, when Mike Todd died, I sent Eddie to help Elizabeth. 1053 00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:46,600 I don't think she ever really loved Eddie. 1054 00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,960 He was an interim interest during her mourning period. 1055 00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,680 Yeah, that's really mature of her, though. 1056 00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:59,400 I saw so much of Shay Mitchell from Pretty Little Liars and she 1057 00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,880 was giving an interview on a podcast and she said that her 1058 00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,840 mentality is if you can take him, you can have him. 1059 00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,080 She's like, I don't want that kind of guy. 1060 00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:12,400 If you can take him, he's yours because he's not worth it then. 1061 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:14,720 Which I feel like it's such a good mindset to have of like, 1062 00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,920 OK, I'm not stressed about someone trying to take my man 1063 00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,680 because if you want him then OK for it. 1064 00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,760 Yeah, that's true. That's like Shane Mitchell. 1065 00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:30,680 That's very empowering thought to have that is tough. 1066 00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,400 And I wonder if she came to that conclusion quickly or if that 1067 00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,240 was like, over the years. You know what I mean? 1068 00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,720 Well, I'm sure, I'm sure in hindsight, she saw started to 1069 00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,920 put the pieces together and be like, OK, this guy is this is 1070 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,240 his character. And like, I feel like I've been 1071 00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:46,960 realizing this too. Like people are only as 1072 00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,400 attractive as how they treat you. 1073 00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,640 And so she probably lost her feelings for him when she 1074 00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:55,520 realized, like, OK, that's really the kind of guy he is to 1075 00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,760 his core, the someone who would do that to me. 1076 00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:04,640 I agree. 1981, Eddie. Wrote a memoir and he wrote very 1077 01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,240 bitterly about Debbie Reynolds saying that their marriage was 1078 01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,400 doomed from the start. And some of the things I already 1079 01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,320 mentioned that like, oh, we were set up by the studio or 1080 01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,240 whatever. And Debbie said she'd never read 1081 01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,640 it. She told people his memory of 1082 01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,280 what went on in our life is absolutely not true. 1083 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,800 I didn't want to read it because I didn't want to get upset. 1084 01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,080 I'm trying not to dislike him. He's the father of my children. 1085 01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:29,080 How disrespectful of him though. OK, I guess like Debbie did kind 1086 01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,000 of tell her story, but like you haven't even been in your kids 1087 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,840 lives and now you're I know. You asshole. 1088 01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:39,320 Tweeted on dude you have one thing if he came out years later 1089 01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:43,720 and was like had a reckoning and was apologetic. 1090 01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,920 No, no. And OK, you know what's crazy? 1091 01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:50,040 So we had one book and then he had another book which was 1092 01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,960 basically rehashing the same stories, but this time with like 1093 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:58,000 more sexual details. I know, I know. 1094 01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:05,040 And I actually wrote down to Goodreads reviews of his book 1095 01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:09,640 because I thought it I thought it supported my thesis that he 1096 01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:13,400 is a narcissist. And so this reviewer, Kiana 1097 01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,760 wrote. But no, he is not an endearing 1098 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,120 individual. Still, if you want to read a 1099 01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,480 truly sensationalist and sordid piece of insanity and 1100 01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,040 narcissism, been there, done that. 1101 01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,200 Absolutely delivers. That's what it's called. 1102 01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,840 And Stephanie G wrote, if you know anything about Eddie 1103 01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,800 Fisher, I didn't, then I hope you are prepared to learn that 1104 01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,480 he's a narcissist. I'm not. 1105 01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:37,640 Yeah. We're not the only ones. 1106 01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:39,800 Yeah. I just think, okay, him changing 1107 01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,840 the story like that, I think that that is also a tendency of 1108 01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:48,320 narcissists to, like, rewrite history because they're like 1109 01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,240 deflecting blame. Yeah. 1110 01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,400 And can never self. Yes. 1111 01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,720 Can never be wrong, can never apologize. 1112 01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,000 People say that that's a telltale sign of a narcissist is 1113 01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,240 if they don't apologize. That's a terrible quality to 1114 01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:06,520 have, yeah. And I don't know if he ever did, 1115 01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,560 but like at least publicly, he hasn't really expressed remorse 1116 01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:14,720 about it or anything. And yeah, I just think I, I was 1117 01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:18,480 just hung up on the him saying it was like not a real relation 1118 01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,000 or like implying it wasn't a real relationship or like that 1119 01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,400 it was just studio range. Because I just, she's been 1120 01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,160 described as as like tough as nails Christian woman. 1121 01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,840 Yeah. Would she really fake it? 1122 01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:35,440 And would she really put put it off divorce for so long? 1123 01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,200 I just, I don't get it. And then why would she stop 1124 01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,720 talking to Elizabeth the Taylor? Because she did. 1125 01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:45,280 And also, if that was the case, why did you enter into it into 1126 01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,440 the first place? If you were going to do this? 1127 01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:51,240 You probably had a choice there. And he said that he wanted to 1128 01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:52,640 meet her. That's true. 1129 01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:56,040 And you had two kids who obviously slept together, like. 1130 01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:02,800 I know right to later be like, oh our marriage was a sham and 1131 01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,800 horrible. Like I just don't believe him. 1132 01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:10,200 I really feel like he couldn't face any guilt or take any 1133 01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,760 ownership for what what he did. Obviously. 1134 01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:16,480 Changed his story. The sham was him, obviously. 1135 01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:21,040 And even this New York Times article from 2004, it was 1136 01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:25,520 talking about Carrie's Carrie Fisher stand up show and her dad 1137 01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,560 Eddie Fisher was in the audience and she was like cracking jokes 1138 01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,440 at his expense. And, the article said, and 1139 01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,120 throughout the confrontation, the 76 year old Mr. Fisher 1140 01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:37,000 smiles and chuckles that his daughter's needling with the 1141 01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:41,120 benign, madding complacency of a lifelong narcissist. 1142 01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,720 Oh my God. And then it continues, Mr. 1143 01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,720 Fisher clearly has not been forgiven, perhaps because he 1144 01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,160 apparently still does not understand or care to learn what 1145 01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,520 he did wrong. And this kind of family tension 1146 01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,640 is not limited to Hollywood stars and their children. 1147 01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:59,680 Wow, yeah, it's really hard to forgive someone who's not sorry. 1148 01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,960 It is, it is. I think that you can have some 1149 01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,840 empathy for them maybe because like, he's clearly messed up. 1150 01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:11,000 Like I think he did drugs a lot. And people that act that way, 1151 01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,120 you know, don't know how to love really. 1152 01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:15,560 And it's it's sad at the end of the day, but they can cause a 1153 01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:19,960 lot of destruction. So, yeah, sorry. 1154 01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,480 I, I have like so much more. I like compiled all this 1155 01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:23,680 evidence that he was a narcissist. 1156 01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:29,880 Also that Debbie wrote he blamed me whenever he made mistakes and 1157 01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:34,000 also I mentioned this before that his daughter Jolie Fisher 1158 01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:42,240 from his other marriage also she has a memoir and she trashed on 1159 01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,680 Eddie Fisher a lot and she mentioned that in his memoir. 1160 01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:51,640 This is crazy with the memoirs. Instead of rap battles, it's 1161 01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:56,480 like memoirs. In his memoir, he misspelled his 1162 01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:00,040 daughter Trishas name throughout his own book. 1163 01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:02,760 I think so. And Jolie said. 1164 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:04,760 Like really, how could that happen? 1165 01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:06,320 Oh. My God, I. 1166 01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,080 Know. Unless the copy editor corrected 1167 01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:11,360 it, but. Yeah. 1168 01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:17,160 Yeah, yeah, really bad so. So even his own daughter, not 1169 01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,800 just Carrie, but his other daughter was like, this guy kind 1170 01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,160 of sucks, I think. It'd be different too if he did 1171 01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,080 that but he was still present father. 1172 01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:28,160 But the fact that he also, like, neglected his parental duties 1173 01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:32,280 and let his ex-wife be like a single mother, it's just 1174 01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:35,440 unforgivable. So Debbie Reynolds did have a 1175 01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:40,360 third marriage to real estate developer Richard Hamlet. 1176 01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:44,600 She seemed to really love him, but he cheated on her, too. 1177 01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,840 And my God, I know. I feel bad for her that she had 1178 01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,200 these three marriages that seemed to cause her a lot of 1179 01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:52,040 difficulty. I know. 1180 01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:54,920 Like what's it all for I? Know. 1181 01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,920 But she did seem to gain a lot of confidence and nonchalance as 1182 01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:02,440 she got older and always had like a sense of humor about it. 1183 01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:07,080 Like in a interview in 1992, she's just really casually said, 1184 01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:11,520 I have terrible taste in men. I know what's all for. 1185 01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,960 I don't know. But she seemed to have a really 1186 01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,520 loving relationship with her kids. 1187 01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:22,760 And what's most fascinating, or one of the most fascinating 1188 01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,360 things about the story, is that Debbie and Elizabeth eventually 1189 01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:26,920 reunited. Really. 1190 01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,040 But maybe I should say that for next episode. 1191 01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:34,200 Oh, what do you think? I don't know. 1192 01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,560 I'm, I'm, I'm OK with the cliffhanger. 1193 01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:40,000 OK, OK. Yeah, I'll put it. 1194 01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:45,240 I'll put it in there to the Express in 2015, Debbie said. 1195 01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:48,240 My 3 husbands all left me for another woman. 1196 01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,240 Obviously I wasn't a very sexual lady. 1197 01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,560 My husband's all I know. My husband's all repeatedly said 1198 01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:58,040 the same thing, that I was not a very passionate woman. 1199 01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,600 I've never wished they had more sex. 1200 01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:04,240 I was never a sex queen in real life, and I never, I was never 1201 01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:06,480 pursued by men. OK, I don't think that's true. 1202 01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,200 I think you were pursued by men. I was friends with Elizabeth 1203 01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,960 Taylor, Ava Gardner, Lana Turner, and they craved and 1204 01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:15,320 loved sex and talked about it. They were a very sensuous woman, 1205 01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:17,440 desiring passion. It seemed to me I was more 1206 01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,360 interested in raising my children, not in pursuing my 1207 01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:24,960 husbands. I appreciate her being honest 1208 01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:27,800 about that. I feel like most people would 1209 01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,280 not and it's interesting. Almost seems to me like she's 1210 01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,400 trying to take some responsibility or something. 1211 01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,200 Yeah, but I feel like a lot of women feel the same way. 1212 01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:38,840 Yeah, me too. But also it's like, OK, he 1213 01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,120 wasn't really that present of a father. 1214 01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:46,120 So like, she didn't really have time to be probably as sexual or 1215 01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:50,560 like as fun because she was the one who was raising the kids 1216 01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,720 like pretty much all on her own. That's true. 1217 01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:57,800 And that takes a lot out of you, but you're still working. 1218 01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:00,200 I mean, she they probably had to help, but yeah. 1219 01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,520 And I think that turns you off, too, when your husband is not 1220 01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:08,320 very invested. Like why would you want to? 1221 01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:09,480 Sleep. Yeah, exactly. 1222 01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:16,080 To reward them. But I don't know, I mean, I 1223 01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:22,359 still, I still think even if you don't have high sexual urge, you 1224 01:08:22,359 --> 01:08:24,479 could still make it work. I don't think that has to mean 1225 01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:25,640 that. Yeah. 1226 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:29,160 And that's something that you can like communicate in a 1227 01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,160 healthy way. That's true. 1228 01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:34,279 That's why I wrote for one of their words was did I say closed 1229 01:08:34,279 --> 01:08:35,279 off? Because I don't think they 1230 01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:38,680 communicated very well. No, to to me, it seems like they 1231 01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,359 had issues and they didn't know about it. 1232 01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:45,160 They were kind of just quietly thinking about their problems 1233 01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:47,479 and not expressing it. I don't know. 1234 01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:51,560 Eddie Fisher gets any better. Yeah, but she did write. 1235 01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,479 I can't regret Eddie Fisher. When we first married, I loved 1236 01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:56,760 him dearly, and we had two beautiful children who were the 1237 01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,279 joys of my life. And he's given me a source of 1238 01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:02,680 jokes for the past 50 years. Thanks, Eddie. 1239 01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:07,240 Oh my God, Yep. So I get intrigued. 1240 01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:10,359 I'm so intrigued by how her and Elizabeth reunited. 1241 01:09:10,359 --> 01:09:12,359 It was a perfective. Professional. 1242 01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,160 I'm not gonna say don't Google it. 1243 01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:18,000 Don't Google. Got it, you guys. 1244 01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,720 You got to listen to the next episode to get the scoop. 1245 01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:25,240 I was going to share it, but you know what I that dawned on me, 1246 01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:28,000 it'd be good to because the story's going to keep going, so 1247 01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:30,760 maybe it makes sense to do next time. 1248 01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:34,600 I'm so intrigued. Who gets custody of you? 1249 01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:39,279 No competition here, obviously, Debbie. 1250 01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:41,279 Debbie Reynolds. I know. 1251 01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:45,439 I'm surprised that the Fisher kids even kept his last name. 1252 01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,040 Me too. Why did they do that? 1253 01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:52,960 Yeah, I'm, I'm so intrigued to do that poll on our Instagram 1254 01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,480 because I bet somebody will still say Eddie Fisher. 1255 01:09:56,200 --> 01:09:59,000 Always won, except for Albert Einstein. 1256 01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,840 He got no love. With the wow which is. 1257 01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,160 Crazy because like, he was a celebrity in that. 1258 01:10:04,480 --> 01:10:08,920 Relationship. I love those polls man. 1259 01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,280 I know. The past two relationships we've 1260 01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:15,560 had, they stayed together, so we haven't done it in a bit. 1261 01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:19,040 I know I, I feel like there have been times when the couples have 1262 01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:20,280 stayed together and we still did it. 1263 01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:23,200 But I I do worry like it's a distasteful oh, but. 1264 01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:26,720 I know, I know. Sad, but one of our couples, 1265 01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:28,880 Sasha Baron Cohen and Isla Fisher, broke up. 1266 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,800 Now we can do a little. Custody know. 1267 01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:33,360 I don't know if we should wait a little bit. 1268 01:10:33,480 --> 01:10:36,720 Oh, also, Gypsy Rosen Ryan broke up too. 1269 01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:40,480 Oh my gosh, yeah. This has been a crazy time for 1270 01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:41,600 significant. Levers. 1271 01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:46,040 And Robin Suki had a baby. Yeah, lots going on. 1272 01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:48,520 All all like in one month this all happened. 1273 01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:50,720 I know our significant lovers are. 1274 01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:55,000 They're busy. They are. 1275 01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:58,200 They are. Well, I guess that is the story 1276 01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:01,080 of Eddie Fisher and Debbie Reynolds. 1277 01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:04,720 Thank you guys for listening. Thank you Kel, that was so 1278 01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:07,960 interesting. Busy makes me sad though. 1279 01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:12,360 I know I I just think, I think it was a hard time, but I do 1280 01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:17,800 think that Debbie Reynolds is a tough lady and I think she still 1281 01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,080 had good experiences, but it is sad. 1282 01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:23,400 I wish that she like went on to found someone who like really 1283 01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:26,240 valued her and she lived happily ever after. 1284 01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:29,520 But I guess I know we don't always live happily ever after 1285 01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,800 with a romantic interest or it's not. 1286 01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:38,120 I guess just if it ends badly doesn't mean that it was bad. 1287 01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:40,760 I don't, I don't know, like her other teen husbands. 1288 01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:44,800 But that's unfortunate though. I know I wish that too for her. 1289 01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:48,680 It does seem like she kind of lived happily ever after next 1290 01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:50,440 door to her daughter. Like it seemed like she was 1291 01:11:50,440 --> 01:11:53,520 really happy living by her. So right. 1292 01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:58,000 Well, I already spoiled it. Next week is about, let me tease 1293 01:11:58,000 --> 01:11:59,720 it. It's about two people we talked 1294 01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:06,360 about this episode that got together after one of their 1295 01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:11,360 spouses died and the other person left their spouse. 1296 01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:18,520 Oh my God, who's the tough one? Yeah. 1297 01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,840 All right, well, we'll get back together next week with the 1298 01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,920 mystery couple. Bye. 1299 01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:39,440 Is your heart beat with pain? Shall I come back again?