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But today is a Mel episode. 

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And who are you doing, Mel? 
Today we were talking about 

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Friend of the Pop Vanessa 
Hudgens. 

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This is our third Vanessa 
Hudgens episode. 

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Could be our last. 
Well, she does have a fiance 

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now, so maybe we'll cover her. 
In the future. 

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But as you guys know, we adore 
Vanessa Hudgens. 

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Well, at least I do. 
I would say of like all the, 

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like, beautiful women in 
Hollywood. 

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I would say she's probably the 
most beautiful in my opinion and

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just has a really great 
contagious energy that I 

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literally like. 
Especially when I think about 

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Vanessa Hudgens, I feel like it 
gives me a lot of inspiration in

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my own love life because I'm 
like, wow, she was with. 

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Zac Efron for years. 
And then she was with Austin 

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Butler for even longer. 
And then she manages to still 

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find love again. 
And it's like, yeah, because 

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she's Vanessa Hudgens. 
And so I try to, when I have my 

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heart broken, think of myself as
Vanessa Hudgens. 

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And it does help. 
I do that, too. 

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I think about people for 
inspiration. 

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Yeah. 
I mean, she's turned it around 

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many times. 
And then she I think it's really

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not in the history books that 
she had. 

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A brief romance with Josh 
Hutcherson. 

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Wow, Pita in The Hunger Games as
well as many other films. 

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It was a very short 
relationship. 

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I didn't workout. 
And I also have been thinking a 

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lot about like rejection and 
like when you're so excited 

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about something, then doesn't 
workout. 

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It's so easy to internalize 
that. 

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But I think when you talk about 
other people's relationships, 

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it's really easy from the 
outside to be like, well, 

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there's nothing to, you know, 
let's say Vanessa broke up with 

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Josh. 
Yeah, there's nothing to really.

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Feel like Josh shouldn't feel 
bad. 

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He's still a great person, yeah,
but it's so hard to tell 

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yourself that when you're on the
receiving end of rejection. 

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So this is a lighter episode, 
though. 

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It's a fun one. 
And it's it was cool to research

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because I really didn't. 
I knew that they had like 

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something, but it was seemingly 
like a rumor and I didn't know a

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lot about it. 
Yeah, I'm really interested. 

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I feel like I've known both of 
them. 

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Well, not literally known, but 
known them for. 

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So long. 
So I always liked Josh 

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Hutcherson. 
So he's a. 

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Cutie Yeah, he is. 
He is really cute. 

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But yeah, we've talked a lot in 
depth. 

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We've already covered Vanessa, 
her relationship with Zach, and 

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her relationship with Austin, so
I'm not going to get into her 

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back story. 
But Josh Hutcherson? 

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Yeah, he was born October 12th, 
1992 in Union, KY. 

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I had no idea. 
He striked me as someone who 

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would. 
Be like an industry plant. 

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Really. 
Yeah. 

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He seems like someone who, like,
probably like, was born in 

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Hollywood. 
I don't know why. 

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Interesting. 
Because he had success so early.

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Yeah, his mom, Michelle, was a 
dental Delta Airlines employee. 

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Oh, wait, the three words I 
would use to describe. 

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Oh yeah, this couple would be 
sweet, silly and casual. 

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Cool fun. 
Yeah, we need one of those. 

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You know who? 
Else is from Kentucky, Jennifer 

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Lawrence she. 
Really. 

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The last episode we talked about
Caitlin or was yeah, Caitlin 

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suggested that they could have 
been a couple. 

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You know what that is convincing
me? 

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Yeah, because I don't. 
I mean, I think, I think the 

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time, the opportunity has 
passed. 

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I think she's with somebody now 
and he is too. 

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But I think when you're from 
somewhere like Kentucky, it is 

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nice to have someone who. 
Yeah. 

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Who relates to that experience? 
I know it might be tough when 

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you're spending all your time 
and. 

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LA or New York and you don't 
know anyone else from where 

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you're? 
From Kentucky is a very diverse 

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state, though, in that it 
borders like so many different 

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states it does. 
But some parts of Kentucky are 

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very much like Ohio, and some 
parts of Kentucky are a lot like

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Tennessee or like the South. 
Where you get all this 

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knowledge, Mel? 
Because I've briefly had dated 

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someone. 
From Kentucky. 

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Yeah. 
I mean. 

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It seems like there's cool stuff
going on there. 

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Anyway, I don't know. 
His mom, Michelle, was a Delta 

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Airlines employee, later became 
Josh's assistant, and his dad, 

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Chris, was an EPA analyst. 
His parents were actually high 

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school sweethearts. 
That's. 

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That's sweet. 
Oh, Josh. 

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Oh, Josh boy Joshua and his 
younger brother is named Connor.

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I don't know what he does. 
Oh, Connor. 

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I'm a very early age. 
Josh wanted to be an actor. 

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Frequently annoy his parents 
about it. 

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A lot of kids are like that. 
I was kind of like that too. 

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At age 8, he went into the 
Yellow Pages and somehow 

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contacted a talent agent 
himself. 

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He was so cute as a little kid. 
And, you know, so I don't think 

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his parents were really stage 
parents. 

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But from age 10, he met with an 
acting coach who then encouraged

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his mom to fly him to LA to 
audition for pilot season. 

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Despite Josh having really no 
professional experience besides 

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like one commercial and 
something else, I forget like 

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some church thing. 
And then him and his mom lived 

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in an apartment complex for 
three years in LA while he 

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auditioned for things. 
Didn't give up. 

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Yeah, I think he did land parts 
pretty quickly. 

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OK. 
And did a lot of like small 

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roles and commercials. 
But it is very perplexing to me 

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that his mom. 
Would do that for him, because I

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just feel like I don't. 
That's a huge life change. 

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I know to move your. 
Taste year old son. 

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Yeah, the odds of them actually 
becoming successful are so slim.

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Alright, I will have to stop the
episode right there. 

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