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Are You Lonesome Tonight? 
Are you sorry? 

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We drifted does your mail 
recording. 

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Oh this is really the actual 
episode. 

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Yeah. 
Oh hi everybody. 

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Hello, welcome to significant 
lovers It's Kellen Mel. 

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I know the story really 
abruptly. 

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I can like it. 
I'm Mel, I'm Kelly and Welcome 

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to our show. 
It's a true love podcast. 

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We're talking about couples 
relationships, history, and pop 

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culture. 
Yep, yep. 

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Yep. 
And we're cousins. 

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Mmm! 
That's always relevant mention. 

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Yep, our moms are sisters. 
Yes, we have the same 

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grandparents, it's true. 
So thank you guys for joining. 

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Joining us today. 
And thank you Mel, for joining 

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me. 
We're starting much later than 

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usual. 
It's 9 p.m. 

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Yeah, we had a few technical 
difficulties. 

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Well, quite a lot of technical 
with him because first, I forgot

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some Hardware. 
Then the software wasn't 

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working. 
Yep. 

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It's a hardware software issue. 
Yes, both not would you want to 

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happen? 
But we're here. 

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We're still alive. 
Mmm, I think not see you. 

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We have these acoustic things 
around our microphones and you 

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can only see males eyes hike. 
We both stood up really sweet. 

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Yeah, I know we need to be 
taller, but who are we covering 

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today? 
Kelly today we are covering The 

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lovely, the incomparable. 
They always say that Ward. 

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They said that about someone 
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Golden Globes. 
I hate to say it. 

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Wasn't it? 
Like incomparable? 

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Was it like some model actually 
had never heard him or whatever?

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Yeah, but anyway, to me, they 
are incomparable, Zooey 

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Deschanel, and then give bird. 
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musician and been A bird is also
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guitarist of The Band Death Cab 
for Cutie and I am just so 

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excited to be talking about them
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I can't believe I get to do this
for my job. 

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Just kidding, it's not my job, 
maybe someday. 

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Yeah, maybe someday if you want 
to make it our jobs, if you have

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personal interest in doing that,
we have a patreon with bonus 

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episodes every other week. 
If of our episodes are on 

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patreon, so you're really 
missing out if you're not on 

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their hate to say it. 
But but if you can't afford it, 

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or you're trying to save money, 
that's also fine too. 

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Yeah, I understand I understand,
I get it. 

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So Zooey Deschanel and Ben 
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ultimate indeed. 
Dream couple. 

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And I first have to think our 
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Hazel, she messaged us and 
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Couple and she was like, I know 
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and I think she knew that 
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bite of Twilight, mmm podcast 
about Twilight and Death Cab for

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Cutie, is on the New Moon 
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And I think I said that I loved 
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So I'm guessing that's why she 
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But it was crazy because I was 
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I can't see you, is there a way 
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can see. 
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Yeah, I think that's better. 
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I Was craving doing this couple,
I was really craving and that's 

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that's what makes a good 
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I really wanted you but I wasn't
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want to listen. 
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from Hazel and I was like okay 
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Yeah so I'm really following my 
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I really love both Zooey 
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I'm excited. 
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anything about their intimate 
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Good and or what? 
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you're about to find out and 
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to describe them? 
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as we have to come up with the 
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Yeah. 
Indy. 

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Oh God. 
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Emotional, emotional three 
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so we in been make sure it's 
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Yep, do you when now, when you 
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story is emotional or their 
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Hmm. 
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get into it. 
Also want to thank Charlie my 

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boyfriend for meeting us halfway
As in Brooklyn. 

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Thank you, Charlie. 
Bring us the cord that we 

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needed. 
Thank you, Charlie. 

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This one is for you. 
This is dedicated to you. 

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So. 
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this off. 
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this article that came across. 
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and been so much like the reason
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like them? 
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it perfectly so I'm going to 
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Yeah so it's called So 
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500 Days of Summer come to life.
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If a shared love of indie rock 
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work. 
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Mmm I love that last name. 
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over in 2009 when Ben Gibbard 
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married. 
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Yeah, I thought they just stayed
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They were married. 
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nauseatingly. 
Cute ditional was fresh offer 

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star-making performance as the 
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Thuy Foyle to Joseph 
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Summer a film about Joy 
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inept emotional terrorism, that 
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shops, to pick up women Ben 
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Of course, is the principal 
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Cutie. 
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writing songs, to appease, the 
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Levitt's character embodied 
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a fanservice retcon. 
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Deschanel. 
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relationship with Gordon-Levitt 
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He is too clingy to insecure and
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of emo, self defeatism for her 
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life though. 
The sad boy got the girl and 

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dudes with Unknown Pleasures 
shirts across the world. 

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Over rejoiced. 
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Old Millennial male who grew up 
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tiny mixtapes, and every other 
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you probably won't be surprised 
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meet a girl like Zooey Deschanel
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I had no awareness of the hard 
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Instead, I believed that love 
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someone who shared a mutually 
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Venn diagram of taste, two 
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context of music movies, TV 
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And then they spend happily ever
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Rehashing the discussions, they 
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comment section Gibbard, an 
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light would never go out. 
This myth servants, how hard 

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could marriage be? 
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hard could marriage be? 
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centered around Velvet 
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So yes, I feel like I Also 
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of Summer. 
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wrong to my world back then. 
I know I haven't seen it in a 

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while. 
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It's good. 
I love it. 

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I really like, I was there in 
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I think it's one of my favorite 
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like, not cool to say that. 
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I think it's like, well 
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movie, right, isn't it? 
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so. 
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being like Oh man in pixie dream
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Melissa please. 
And I kind from his perspective.

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I know those feel like that, 
it's actually really smart. 

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I feel like I did come away from
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anything because I also was 
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who wears a sweater vest. 
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The record stores and listen to 
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Yeah, has vinyl and I, yeah, I 
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He's so in the movie, I feel 
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away with like At they just were
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had a lot in common yeah, they 
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He couldn't see that like they 
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other. 
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I mean I think she knew it first
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It's a story about love with. 

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Yeah. 
It's like about rejection. 

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me deeply as a teenager. 
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sad to hear that the marriage 
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out, like, how could I be? 
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of a marriage, right? 
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long ago, that movie. 
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ago, probably, right? 
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was 2009. 
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ago feels like just yesterday 
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lived a lot of life that's 
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was with the guy that she has a 
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like she's been with the 
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that's like a lot of multiple 
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It did all happen, very bad. 
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Summer. 
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and then she's engaged. 
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And you feel blindsided? 
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rock and stuff of that time. 
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and also we're just really sad 
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going to get into it now. 
Now, all right. 

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Okay. 
So just a little backstory. 

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So additional she is an American
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she's known for films like elf 
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Summer. 
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girl Bridge to Terabithia. 
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Yeah. 
Some others Hitchhiker's Guide 

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to the Galaxy. 
Yes man. 

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We watch that in your basement. 

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Once really did I fall asleep. 
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to because I don't remember it 
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Well, I would like to re-watch 
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Is that Jim Carrey. 
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That feels like so long ago and 
she's in the folk, rock band, 

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She and Him with M Ward which 
formed in 2006 and she's also a 

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co-founder of the website. 
Hello giggles. 

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Oh, I feel like I knew that in 
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what's it about because I've 
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it's just one of those websites 
like I don't know refinery29 or 

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something. 
Like they just have our, she's 

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the owner of that co-founder? 
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I think she about selling. 
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But yeah. 
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a lot of going on like yeah. 
She's really what do you call 

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that? 
Ambitious. 

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She is, she is how you. 
So she's a multi passionate 

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person. 
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Claire dish. 
Now, she was born in Los 

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Angeles, on, January 17, 1980, 
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Today to her father, Caleb 
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your mother Mary Jo Deschanel. 
We're was her maiden name, and 

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actress, who was on Twin Peaks, 
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wasn't like a huge actor. 
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But her parents like we're in 
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They were in the business and I 
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her with Justin long as I. 
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And she's like, yeah, yeah, I 
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did you use your mom's age? 
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didn't have an agent, acted 
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from like, a friend of her mom. 
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It's not the same way that 
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Like it's not the same as for 
like Maya hawk or someone's 

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parents on a list celebrities. 
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were opportunities around really
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to just like put her in some 
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Zoe glass and j.d. salinger's 
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why there's like the 200, okay? 
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as a nickname. 
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hearing that she's named after a
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made me think like okay, this is
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family like the dad's a 
cinematographer. 

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Yeah okay that's that's what's 
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She has an older sister. 
Emily Deschanel who's also an 

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actress. 
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that's her main claim to fame 
their family. 

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Traveled a lot for her father's 
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difficult for Zoey leaving 
friends and Family and similar 

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foods and home behind feel like 
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about had that. 
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is that the key to being famous.
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environment. 
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was a kid and wanted to be an 
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when she was older. 
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for Arts and Sciences in Santa 
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were Jake Gyllenhaal and Kate 
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Wow, crazy. 
I must have been an expensive 

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school probably and she's saying
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theater, she attended 
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months but then dropped out to 
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It's literally they all drop out
another tall job. 

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That's another another key to 
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I know she had some small acting
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she got the role as Anita 
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The rebellious sister who loves 
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Crowe's almost Famous in 2000 M 
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lot of the projects that I 
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She formed a jazz Cabaret act 
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all the stars were pretty babies
and they performed around La and

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then in March 2007 she did two 
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Timing by Coconut Records, which
is Jason, Jason Schwartzman, who

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she dated at the time. 
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Do you know Jason Schwartzman? 
Sounds really familiar. 

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Yeah, he's an actor. 
And then he's also he is. 

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It's one of those things where 
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person. 
Yeah, he is. 

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Coconut Records. 
Do you know the song is? 

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Like I miss you. 
I'm going back home to the West.

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Yeah, yeah, what's it? 
What are the actin? 

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So he's been in so many Wes 
Anderson movie, okay? 

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Like he's the main character and
Rushmore. 

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If you saw that he's in re 
Antoinette, he plays Louise. 

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He's in like I need to see the 
Scott Pilgrim vs. 

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The World. 
He has a mole right here. 

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Mmm, I feel like I definitely 
know him. 

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So she did it was the same D. 
Jason Schwartzman. 

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Always part of the whole Coppola
Family actually. 

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Oh, really? 
I typed in um, Jason Bateman. 

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No, no, yes, I've definitely 
seen him stuff. 

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So they dated from 2003 to 2005,
I feel like they were Also yeah,

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a lie in the really cool, really
cute. 

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This was kind of making me in 
the background information. 

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Making me want to cover them but
I know that would be like to 

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have scared. 
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Bleep. 
But maybe someday because she 

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seemed really in love with it. 
Like, I think this was one of 

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her major loves of her life. 
Wow. 

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Maybe she'll get a biopic about 
all these relationships. 

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So her song on She & Him volume.
One, which I actually have 

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listened to She and Him like 
throughout the years. 

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So on She & Him volume 1, she 
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which my friend Brittany. 
Put on a mix CD for me years 

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ago. 
Wow I wish I doing I always 

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thought sweet darling was a 
cover because it sounds so 

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sixties it. 
Apparently she wrote that was 

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sweet. 
She wrote that with sweet 

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darling. 
Her sweet, darling, doesn't 

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wordsman. 
I just feel like she loved him 

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and yeah. 
So she's been in the bins, She &

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Him. 
And it was from seeing him, 

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that's how she met Ben Gibbard, 
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manager that make sense. 
Yes, yes. 

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Yes. 
And also before been, she 

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supposedly dated the actor. 
Matthew Davis from 2000 to 2001 

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Hunter, Bergen, a bass, 
guitarist from 2000 to 2003, 

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Maroon 5 bases, to Mickey Madden
at that's kind of like alleged. 

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I don't know if that's true. 
Then Jason Schwartzman as I 

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mentioned and okay, I know 
Asians is because this is about 

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Jason, but she said about Jason 
one time. 

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She said, Opposites Attract but 
I don't know if they last my 

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boyfriend is a lot like me. 
We always agree on the same 

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stuff we don't like when a song 
comes on in the car and I go I 

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hate this song. 
He'll go. 

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I hate it too. 
That's cute but that didn't last

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I know it's not anyway. 
I don't have been, who is Ben 

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Gibbard? 
So he's released 10 albums in 

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the Band, Death Cab for Cutie, 
he's lead, singer and guitarist 

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and The Lyricist. 
And he's also part of the Postal

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Service, which you guys probably
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Heights, sting it, they will see
us waving from such great. 

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Oh yeah. 
Yeah. 

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And he has two solo albums, so 
there's a lot of lyrics to look 

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at. 
That's 13 albums. 

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So Ben was born in Bremerton 
Washington. 

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We've been there, man. 
We went to the actual Town. 

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What do we do there there with 
the rental car? 

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Remember, oh yeah. 
Ben's from my God, yeah. 

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So he was born, August 11th. 
1976 his father was in the Navy.

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So they moved around a lot of 
cores like Zoe but then they 

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returned to Washington. 
And yeah I wrote G's is the key 

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to success. 
Moving on. 

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Yeah he has a sister named 
Megan. 

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I don't know anything about his 
mom but he does have a mom too. 

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Yeah and if family is Catholic 
he went to Olympic High School 

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in Bremerton. 
Does that just sounds so forks? 

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I know Olympic High. 
All graduated in 1994, which is 

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when I was born, you were in a 
band when I was born. 

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I was thinking that as soon as 
you said that and then he 

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started environmental chemistry 
at Western Washington University

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in Bellingham, which is where 
the rest of the death cab 

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members were too. 
And that's like, we're done. 

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Time was founded. 
So, in 1996, he was in the bin. 

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Pinwheel. 
And he was very much a part of 

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the grunge scene in Washington 
and he made a demo cassette tape

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under the name Death Cab for 
Cutie called. 

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You can play these songs with 
chords and if anyone's wondering

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because might be like, what the 
heck is this name? 

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The name Death Cab for Cutie 
comes from a song, called Death 

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Cab for Cutie. 
That was in The Beatles movie 

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Magical Mystery Tour. 
What is a song Death Cab for 

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Cutie mean? 
I don't know. 

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I know that's like a whole other
level. 

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Yeah I don't know what it means 
but it's a song in Magical 

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Mystery and he's since then said
that he wished he named it 

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something more obvious. 
Oh interesting well I think has 

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it like people know it has name 
recognition so most fans just 

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call them Death Cab for short. 
Mmm so after that demo tape was 

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released it was well received 
and Expanded into a full band 

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because that was like just him 
at first. 

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But then it expanded to have the
guitarist, Chris Walla, bassist 

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Nick, harmer, and drummer. 
Nathan good. 

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Hello. 
If you guys are listening, I 

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doubt it where they groomsmen, 
you know, I think spoiler. 

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I think they, I know that they 
were for his second marriage, so

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interesting, but I don't know 
about his marriage is a Really 

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probably. 
Why wouldn't they be? 

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I don't know. 
So then the bank like the full 

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band's first album was called 
something about airplanes 

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released in 1998. 
Then they had the album we have 

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the facts and we're voting. 
Yes. 

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In 2000. 
Then album the photo album in 

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2001 and then transatlanticism 
came out which I think is there 

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like most highly acclaimed 
albums as like a raven on it 

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with like red? 
Yeah, yeah. 

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And then in 2005 came out plans,
which has their most popular 

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song, I Will Follow You into the
Dark and Soul Meets Body. 

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I feel like that's kind of their
second most famous song and they

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were like, really well received 
in the whole like indie rock 

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World. 
They weren't ever like that 

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mainstream. 
But yeah. 

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I feel like they're kind of 
considered like one of the 

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major. 
Yeah. 

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Like most, you know, most people
know who they are. 

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Yeah. 
Before humans are we got 

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together. 
He was also also in the Postal 

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Service, I mentioned their album
give up was really successful, 

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almost like more successful than
any of the death cab albums and 

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like the song Such Great 
Heights. 

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It's huge, but sadly, it's not 
about her because it came out in

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2003 so I'm sorry, sorry to let 
people down that way. 

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Then after plans came out was 
the album narrow stairs in 2008.

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And that's kind of their saddest
album. 

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Yeah, I should mention if anyone
doesn't know, Death Cab for 

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Cutie, their music is known for 
being really, Melancholy, and 

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sad and weepy sometimes and 
narrow stairs. 

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I think was their saddest. 
And that was before, before they

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met, they have been nominated 
for eight Grammys, but they've 

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never won but that's okay. 
Because I think the Grammys are 

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kind of. 
Hmm. 

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A sham. 
Anyway, I mean, it's just like 

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so hard to Pit. 
All these different artists 

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against each other? 
There's like I don't even know 

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how many artists there's are way
too many musicians where is like

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film. 
It's harder to get a film made. 

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Yeah, there's not just like a 
million fit. 

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Well, there are a lot but I know
it's hard to recognize 

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everybody. 
Um, so I just think that all 

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songs before Zoey are quite 
Melancholy until they did date 

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their album that came out after 
they were together codes and 

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keys is kind of considered their
first half. 

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He album, so it's cute but a lot
of duck have fans dislike codes 

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and keys, but I actually love 
it, we'll get into later. 

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There's not much information out
there about who been dated 

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before, but obviously, he has 
dated people because the lyrics 

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talk a lot about heartbreak, and
yeah, romance and stuff some 

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people in the scene back in the 
day online, swear that he had a 

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thing with the singer Jenny 
Lewis. 

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Oh yeah, but he said they were 
just friends. 

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But I found an article from the 
Seattle Times that said he dated

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a woman named Joan Hiller, she 
was in a music industry, she 

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doesn't like music pr and 
interestingly years later. 

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So this was the 2004 much, much,
much later. 

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In 2015, Joan Hiller ended up 
marrying, another member of 

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Death Cab Co interesting who 
isn't in the band yet at this 

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time. 
Yeah, they've Dapper, he joined 

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the band later but in that case,
if she was a Around. 

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Yeah. 
She's yeah, yeah. 

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Um, but I just gotta say that I 
and all the things that I've 

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read about Ben Gibbard, they've 
all been so nice. 

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Like everyone just has seemingly
great things to say about him. 

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That he's really humble and 
sweet. 

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And one time years ago, I read 
somebody on reddit's, I mean, 

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obviously, you don't know who 
these people are, if you can 

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trust them. 
But someone said that he just 

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like, showed up to a running 
group in Seattle. 

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Wow. 
The he was just totally cool. 

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And I stand. 
Oh, that's so cute. 

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Yeah, and he's done like a lot 
for charity and for gay rights 

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and like, overall, he seems like
a great guy. 

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Maybe he'll be one of the only 
guys to win and a custody battle

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00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:30,700
this week. 
Amy, maybe I do have one, like 

454
00:26:30,700 --> 00:26:34,100
kind of naughty thing about him 
later, but we'll get to that 

455
00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:35,000
later. 
Okay? 

456
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:44,300
So so we and bent They met in 
2008, was always easier how 

457
00:26:44,300 --> 00:26:46,800
great job, although I don't want
the fashion to come back. 

458
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,900
No, me neither. 
You're just, I love 2008. 

459
00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:53,600
I really don't want the Camis. 
No. 

460
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:59,400
Not the Camis to come back or 
the low-rise jeans with the 

461
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,800
jeans that you have to stick 
into your Uggs. 

462
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,500
Yeah, I know. 
And I think I like the Camis. 

463
00:27:05,500 --> 00:27:09,700
It's so silly kids like your 
Pants would be so low that you 

464
00:27:09,700 --> 00:27:11,600
would need to pull your caii me 
down. 

465
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,200
I know it got bigger. 
But yeah you got holes in the 

466
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,200
Cami and I would this is like 
really didn't to our 

467
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,800
conversation in the Ashton and 
Mila one. 

468
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:25,500
But like I would just read where
the same Gammy's like days long 

469
00:27:25,500 --> 00:27:27,400
time and then just add a new 
one. 

470
00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:34,400
What it really was. 
It's coming back though, I swear

471
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,600
it's coming back, I know in a 
ballet flats which smelled so 

472
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,600
bad. 
Well, I know it was a gross, 

473
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,500
there's a great time but it was 
a gross of time. 

474
00:27:44,500 --> 00:27:47,100
Yeah. 
Mess is the time that they met 

475
00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:50,600
they met from their shared Music
Manager, as I mentioned. 

476
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,000
And I was just wondering how I 
don't know how like was it at a 

477
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,200
party? 
Did the manager set them up like

478
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,200
yeah, was it again? 
Gathering and they just started 

479
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,600
talking. 
I was really getting carried 

480
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,500
away daydreaming. 
And I'm like, did he ask for her

481
00:28:04,500 --> 00:28:06,200
number? 
I know, yeah. 

482
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,900
Like how what? 
What true or they just friends? 

483
00:28:09,900 --> 00:28:12,600
Look at that point. 
I don't think it was like a 

484
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,600
friend thing because I think I 
read that he asked her on a date

485
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,600
and then they had a second date.
Thank you, I guess they're 

486
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:20,700
second. 
I don't know what their first 

487
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:23,500
date was, but there's a second 
date was dressing up and going 

488
00:28:23,500 --> 00:28:28,200
to the Ohio, state fair. 
Oh, that is so cute. 

489
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,800
How are they doing it? 
Hi. 

490
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,400
Oh I know yeah. 
We how old are they? 

491
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:40,400
They At this point budget cut 
glad you catch me. 

492
00:28:40,500 --> 00:28:45,100
Mmm. 
Okay so in 2010 okay they were 

493
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:50,000
she was probably I think she was
around 28 the guy and he was 

494
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,400
around 32. 
Okay that makes sense. 

495
00:28:52,900 --> 00:28:57,100
Yeah good ages. 
Oh my God, I'm 28. 

496
00:28:57,100 --> 00:29:00,400
Yeah and I'm 32 I just can't 
hang them. 

497
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:07,200
She's not she's a liar. 
Okay, it's kind of crazy that 

498
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,500
this is like one of her earlier 
relationships and like 20 and 32

499
00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:13,400
are obviously young, but it's 
like Gary. 

500
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:18,700
This is literally like several 
relationships ago. 

501
00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:21,100
I'm telling you. 
Jason Schwartzman was really 

502
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:24,600
mmm, dig love of her. 
Yeah, I think you can have many 

503
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,300
loves of your life. 
That's like kind of beautiful 

504
00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:27,700
that like she's still finding 
love. 

505
00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:30,600
Like I know a couple years ago. 
It is beautiful. 

506
00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:36,000
So Then they were dating. 
That's all I can say about that.

507
00:29:36,700 --> 00:29:40,600
It seems like pretty quickly. 
They were an item in India item.

508
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:45,400
You could say, they performed 
the Everly Brothers song, Dream 

509
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,900
together at the Democratic 
National Convention in Denver, 

510
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,800
and they kept looking at each 
other very cute and quirky. 

511
00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:56,000
I see second. 
Yeah, yeah, it's gonna stop 

512
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:20,200
recording. 
This is a cute. 

513
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,000
Look, it looks like a random 
Open Mic. 

514
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:28,000
That could be in your town. 
I know, very cute around this 

515
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,500
time. 
Ben was interviewed by Spin and 

516
00:30:31,500 --> 00:30:34,300
was asked about his Quitting 
alcohol because he did quit on 

517
00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:38,200
God. 
And the interviewer said, did 

518
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,600
meeting Zoe factor in? 
And he said, by the time we 

519
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,000
started dating, I was a good 
four or five months into 

520
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,300
sobriety quitting had been such 
a positive change in my life. 

521
00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:51,100
Nothing was going to make me. 
Want to go back to that, but I 

522
00:30:51,100 --> 00:30:54,200
want to qualify that I'm not 
like walking around with a chip 

523
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,400
in my pocket. 
I don't have a sponsor, I don't 

524
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:01,800
go to AA, it's not like that. 
Okay, okay, we get it. 

525
00:31:02,700 --> 00:31:06,800
So I really don't let me know. 
They're pretty low profile and 

526
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:09,700
she wasn't that famous at this 
point. 

527
00:31:09,700 --> 00:31:12,900
Yeah, so I don't have a ton of 
information, but in December 

528
00:31:12,900 --> 00:31:17,900
2008, they became engaged in 
November, December 2008. 

529
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:20,500
Oh, so pretty soon after that 
matter, right? 

530
00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:23,000
Only a few months later. 
Yeah. 

531
00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:27,700
Wow. 
He's pretty soon after and March

532
00:31:27,700 --> 00:31:33,200
2009, Death Cab started a tour 
for narrow stairs, which was 

533
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,200
March through, May mid-june off 
and then had more shows in July.

534
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:42,100
So I was just thinking about 
that during this time. 

535
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,800
Um, and I'm not totally sure 
when they were doing the filming

536
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,200
for it. 
I'm guessing some time during 

537
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,700
2008 but July 17th. 
Nine. 

538
00:31:51,700 --> 00:31:54,500
That's when 500 Days of Summer 
was released. 

539
00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:56,600
Hmm. 
So I feel like after that should

540
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,200
become she became a much bigger 
celebrity. 

541
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,600
Yeah totally. 
And then September 19 2009 they 

542
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:08,100
got married in Washington, 
Pitchfork wrote about it, Death 

543
00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:11,600
Cab for Cutie frontman Ben 
Gibbard and actress slash seen 

544
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,700
him singer, Zooey Deschanel 
otherwise known as the cutest 

545
00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:18,600
couple in all of indeed. 
Mm, were married near Seattle on

546
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,100
Saturday and apparently they 
were seen in the Capitol Hill 

547
00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:25,100
Neighborhood of Seattle, after 
their wedding, and the blog 

548
00:32:25,300 --> 00:32:28,100
Brooklyn vegan which was big 
back then. 

549
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,600
Well, I think they're still 
active defense for convenient 

550
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,600
claim that that's where they 
were honeymooning, but I really 

551
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,400
doubt that I feel like they were
just in Seattle. 

552
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,000
Yeah. 
Why would they lie moon? 

553
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,500
Like right around where he's 
fine. 

554
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,900
I think they probably haven't 
left yet. 

555
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,200
Yeah, if they did go on that's 
just the reporter making an 

556
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:59,300
assumption honeymoon in see. 
Yeah, I know. 

557
00:32:59,900 --> 00:33:03,500
I feel like it's almost like 
Seattle traveler like Seattle 

558
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:08,000
tourism like like sponsored but 
yeah, I don't think that's true.

559
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,000
But I couldn't find any pictures
or anything from their wedding. 

560
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,000
I mean, this was really before A
lot of people are on social 

561
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,400
media, you know, things were 
pretty low-key back then, and I 

562
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,700
also feel like back then the 
tabloids were so focused on just

563
00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:30,100
a few certain people. 
Yeah, I do think after 500 Days 

564
00:33:30,100 --> 00:33:34,100
of Summer, she did become more 
of a star and there are some 

565
00:33:34,100 --> 00:33:38,300
candid pictures of her and been 
walking around on the street and

566
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,000
holding hands. 
And I'll put them on her 

567
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,200
Instagram guys. 
Um but okay so then spring 2010.

568
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,400
It was reported that death cab 
would be be recording their next

569
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,200
album in June, which we now know
is codes and keys. 

570
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,900
So we can infer the lot lyrics 
are based on time. 

571
00:33:55,900 --> 00:34:00,300
So, we, um, at this point been 
is now living with Zoe in LA, 

572
00:34:00,700 --> 00:34:02,700
but I believe the rest of the 
band was still living in 

573
00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:07,600
Washington. 
You can tell from past songs 

574
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,400
like on the photo album that he 
doesn't like la. 

575
00:34:10,900 --> 00:34:13,000
Oh, so he's making that 
sacrifice for her. 

576
00:34:13,900 --> 00:34:17,000
There's literally A song on 
there that says, like why would 

577
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,000
you want to live here? 
Oh gosh. 

578
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,100
It smells like an Airport runway
like he's really thrashing on 

579
00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:24,500
it. 
No offense to people live in 

580
00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:27,699
l.a. that must I was thinking 
like man if you're at Death Cab 

581
00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:29,800
fan and you live in LA that 
would suck. 

582
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:35,300
I know I know that once we did 
not like it yeah he's definitely

583
00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:37,300
sacrificing to be there with 
Zoe. 

584
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:41,800
And during this same time, she 
was said to be writing music for

585
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,000
She & Him volume 3. 
And I feel like a lot Of people 

586
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,400
don't know this and I didn't 
know it either that she actually

587
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,199
writes and composes all the 
music for She & Him. 

588
00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:54,000
Wow, I don't know how she has 
enough time to do all this. 

589
00:34:54,100 --> 00:34:55,699
I don't know. 
It's crazy. 

590
00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:00,200
She had a workaholic, I know, 
but I feel like I so sexist, but

591
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:05,500
I think I wrongly thought that 
like M Ward, which is like her 

592
00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:08,200
part. 
Yeah, that he kind of made 

593
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:09,800
music. 
And she just saying, well, I 

594
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,000
would have seen that too, 
because she's on like she was on

595
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,600
a hit show for like seven years,
like she's in all. 

596
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,200
Movies, like she's so busy. 
I would think that like, that's 

597
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,600
kind of her side project the 
know, it's totally not like she 

598
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,300
is super into it and writes all 
the songs they have done some 

599
00:35:24,300 --> 00:35:28,600
covers to but and then during 
this point in my research I 

600
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,400
realized that their music is so 
different and it was machine him

601
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:33,000
before. 
Yeah. 

602
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,100
Isn't it more like soft like 
this? 

603
00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:39,400
It's like they're both. 
Like, not like hard rock or 

604
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:40,200
anything. 
No. 

605
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,300
But like they're both called in 
the, they both go under that 

606
00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:44,800
category. 
Three. 

607
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,800
But I feel like Death Cab For 
Cutie's known for being really 

608
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,200
forlorn and sad and hers is 
really cheery. 

609
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,700
Yeah, be. 
It's like it's so calling and 

610
00:35:54,700 --> 00:35:56,200
love music. 
Yeah. 

611
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,600
We're like wow their music is so
opposite. 

612
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,900
Actually she was interviewed by 
American songwriter in Spring 

613
00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:08,400
2010. 
And they asked you recently got 

614
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,900
married to Ben Gibbard of Death 
Cab for Cutie. 

615
00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:13,200
What's it like, living with 
another musician? 

616
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,400
And she said, she said, it's 
good because we both sort of 

617
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,200
understand that you need certain
things to be creative. 

618
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:22,800
He has an office, he writes in 
that separate which he drives 

619
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,700
to. 
I usually right at home, usually

620
00:36:24,700 --> 00:36:26,500
will be understanding of one 
another. 

621
00:36:27,100 --> 00:36:30,300
Hmm, it's not that interesting 
to picture their life. 

622
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:35,000
I know, I'm so creepy but I 
actually like really is if this 

623
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:40,300
couples I I turned imagine their
life together a lot October 2010

624
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,000
before that album that I keep 
referring to codes and keys was 

625
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:49,800
released been said to spin. 
I'm so proud of this album that 

626
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,900
at this point I don't care if 
people don't like it. 

627
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,300
And the article said they're 
actually Gibbard is also 

628
00:36:55,300 --> 00:36:58,300
straying from narrow stairs, 
more indicative of his new life,

629
00:36:58,300 --> 00:37:01,000
in Los Angeles with his wife 
actress and she and him 

630
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,200
songstress so Deschanel. 
And Ben said, there's a level of

631
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,100
self. 
Clothing and narrow stairs that.

632
00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:09,900
I'm a bit embarrassed. 
I'm a bit embarrassed about now.

633
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:12,400
It was a really dark record. 
I don't want to make that record

634
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,100
again. 
I didn't write those songs. 

635
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:16,300
I didn't want to write those 
songs again. 

636
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,900
Everything, I write is 
reflective of my own life in the

637
00:37:19,900 --> 00:37:22,800
lives of those people around me.
It's like, I'm gonna cry. 

638
00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:28,200
They reflect the conversations. 
You have, in the Rumblings of 

639
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,700
life around you. 
But when somebody gets married, 

640
00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:33,900
people assume that they're going
to be going to get a certain 

641
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:38,400
thing out of an album. 
Huh, and it's interesting. 

642
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,100
He seemed so proud of codes and 
keys at this point and kind of 

643
00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:44,700
distancing from narrow stairs, 
which is the more depressing 

644
00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:47,700
one, but just zooming back to 
the present. 

645
00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:51,900
Now, he considers codes and he's
like one of their worst album ho

646
00:37:51,900 --> 00:37:57,500
interesting, never stairs. 
One of the best 100, maybe it's 

647
00:37:57,500 --> 00:38:01,300
because that relationship didn't
work out too, so he Associates 

648
00:38:01,300 --> 00:38:05,000
it with that. 
Maybe it's sad, it's sad that, 

649
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,300
you know, here, You seemed so 
happy and you can tell him. 

650
00:38:08,300 --> 00:38:12,300
The lyrics is really happy like 
for once and then he's like 

651
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:16,700
that, but that I want to know 
what happened. 

652
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,400
I know this is also the first 
time, Chris Walla came up with 

653
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,000
some of the compositions for the
entire song. 

654
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,200
So just gonna show him out but 
Ben's still wrote all the lyrics

655
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,200
and also in 2010 been and Zoe 
things Star Spangled Banner, and

656
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,200
God bless America at a Giants 
first Phillies game. 

657
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,800
I don't random and not like from
that area at all. 

658
00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:43,300
He did Death cabs. 
I don't know whose deck a bird 

659
00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:45,900
just him but performed it and 
Mariners game. 

660
00:38:45,900 --> 00:38:48,200
He's a big man. 
Hmm, that makes more sense to 

661
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:49,300
you graphically. 
Yes yes. 

662
00:38:49,300 --> 00:38:51,200
Yeah I don't know why they were 
added Giants. 

663
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,600
Phillies game. 
Yeah, random. 

664
00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:01,900
So November 3rd, 2010 been 
played a solo acoustic Show in 

665
00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:05,900
Seattle to benefit homeless 
Youth Organization. 

666
00:39:06,100 --> 00:39:09,300
I called teen feed and near the 
end him and Zoe sang a duet 

667
00:39:09,300 --> 00:39:11,400
together. 
They saying I'll never find 

668
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,800
another you. 
Oh, maybe I'll play second of 

669
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:53,800
it. 
So yeah, the lyrics are like, 

670
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,400
I'll never find another you and 
it makes me sad to watch it. 

671
00:39:58,300 --> 00:40:01,600
Mmm. 
You know, I'm really glad I have

672
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,900
no idea like how they're going 
to break up. 

673
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:05,900
I do right. 
They seem so. 

674
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,900
So cute and creative together. 
It's really sad. 

675
00:40:11,500 --> 00:40:16,700
Okay, March, 31st 2011, finally 
codes and keys is released with 

676
00:40:16,700 --> 00:40:21,600
many songs, seemingly inspired 
by Zoe and to NPR. 

677
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,100
He said I feel that our music 
has always been really honest 

678
00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:27,300
about the people. 
We are now as a songwriter, I'm 

679
00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:31,400
not necessarily writing about 
myself or my life, but I would 

680
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,500
be remiss. 
If I tried to continue writing 

681
00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:36,700
in a solely melancholic voice 
given the That I'm now a 

682
00:40:36,707 --> 00:40:40,900
married, man. 
No, I'm just saying. 

683
00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:45,100
So I don't look as on the lyrics
if you guys are down. 

684
00:40:45,100 --> 00:40:50,400
Mmm, I guess it's up to me. 
So so K, the first song that is 

685
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:53,700
clearly about Zoe to me, I'm 
going to play it. 

686
00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:50,400
So this is a song Monday 
morning. 

687
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,400
It's actually I think my 
favorite death comes on. 

688
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,700
Really, I love it. 
It's funny because they're known

689
00:41:56,700 --> 00:42:02,800
for being really sad and that 
sound is really lifts me up and 

690
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:09,100
I feel hopeful and excited, 
okay, but the lyrics are that 

691
00:42:09,100 --> 00:42:11,700
remind me of Zoe. 
It says she may be young but she

692
00:42:11,700 --> 00:42:16,400
only likes old things and modern
music ain't to her taste. 

693
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,600
She loves a natural light 
captured in black and white. 

694
00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:23,200
She sees mirages of mountain 
ranges within the blink of her 

695
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,200
eye. 
It changes back to the open. 

696
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,900
Plain. 
Oh no, she can't explain. 

697
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,700
And then later, he says the 
night is gonna fall in the 

698
00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:37,500
vultures will surround and you 
and when you look in the mirror,

699
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,600
what do you see is kind of 
Astound you but all these lines 

700
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,700
and Gray's refine, they are the 
maps of our design of what begin

701
00:42:45,700 --> 00:42:48,600
on a Monday morning. 
Hmm. 

702
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,600
I don't know what happened on 
Monday morning. 

703
00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:54,500
I don't know if that's when they
first met or something. 

704
00:42:54,500 --> 00:42:57,600
I don't know. 
But it's just, it's very cute. 

705
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,600
It's very happy and I think it's
definitely about her. 

706
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,900
Then there's the song 
unobstructed views. 

707
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,200
It's it just seems very in love.
The lyrics are there's no. 

708
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,900
I in the sky, just our love. 
No unobstructed view, just no 

709
00:43:12,900 --> 00:43:15,800
perfect truths, just our love, 
just our love. 

710
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,400
And there's no verse no, 
Monument of words. 

711
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,600
For our love. 
For the can't hold. 

712
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:26,100
All I know about my love about 
my love storm clouds break 

713
00:43:26,100 --> 00:43:28,300
pools. 
Remain memories for Earth's 

714
00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:32,800
Embrace that hombre up above. 
They become new love, new love 

715
00:43:32,900 --> 00:43:35,100
mmm. 
Like they're in love. 

716
00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:39,400
Yes, let me see. 
Okay, this one, this one really 

717
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,500
reminds me Zoe. 
This is called stay young. 

718
00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:43,000
Go dancing. 
Mmm. 

719
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:53,600
I like that title by the Valley 
of the, in the belly of the 

720
00:43:53,600 --> 00:44:02,500
Beast and with her son and your 
heart could never bring it down.

721
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:47,300
It can never be 
It sounds like happy like her 

722
00:44:47,300 --> 00:44:49,100
music. 
Yeah, it does. 

723
00:44:49,100 --> 00:44:53,900
Kind of, um, Yeah. 
And like the lyrics and with her

724
00:44:53,900 --> 00:44:58,000
song in your heart it can never 
bring you down, she's things. 

725
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,000
And then later says, but when I 
heard her voice, it led me to 

726
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,200
the end because when she sings I
hear a symphony. 

727
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,500
I'm renewed. 
Oh how? 

728
00:45:08,500 --> 00:45:10,900
I feel like through autumns 
advancing. 

729
00:45:10,900 --> 00:45:12,600
Will stay young. 
Go dancing. 

730
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:18,000
It's so happy and it's so 
unusual for Death Cab like their

731
00:45:18,100 --> 00:45:22,200
past lyrics, were things like 
Who's going to watch you die? 

732
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:26,700
Yeah, yeah. 
I'll follow you through. 

733
00:45:26,900 --> 00:45:29,200
I will follow you into the dark.
You know. 

734
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,900
I mean there's still romantic 
but they were much dark more 

735
00:45:32,900 --> 00:45:34,000
morbid. 
Yeah. 

736
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:34,800
Yeah. 
Undertones. 

737
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:40,100
Yeah. 
This is the new year and I don't

738
00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:45,600
feel any different. 
Yeah cynical. 

739
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:52,200
Yeah and it just warms my heart.
Like That album, even though I 

740
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,600
think a lot of Death Cab fans 
don't like I do, been if you're 

741
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,600
listening I do. 
OK. 

742
00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:03,300
Back to the story. 
July 2011 been accompanied Zoe 

743
00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:06,800
to the Winnie, the Pooh Premiere
in AA, huge. 

744
00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:10,000
Very cute because she did music 
for the soundtrack, I guess. 

745
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:19,600
Ah, guess who was there? 
Oh, Booboo Stewart, who plays 

746
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,700
have clear water and the toilet?
Was he in the movie? 

747
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:28,900
I don't know why he was there. 
He's everywhere around the same 

748
00:46:28,900 --> 00:46:31,900
time. 
She spoke to ivillage about 

749
00:46:31,900 --> 00:46:35,200
then. 
What would have never got to do 

750
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:36,800
it. 
That's why I didn't make you, 

751
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:43,100
guess she's with the ivillage 
about Ben's music and said, I'm 

752
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:48,600
a pretty busy person so it I'm 
guessing his career it allows us

753
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,200
to get our work done and when we
see each other again we have a 

754
00:46:51,207 --> 00:46:53,800
lot of stuff to talk about and 
then she said, probably the most

755
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,400
surprising thing about married 
life is that it's not really 

756
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,000
that different. 
You still have to make a 

757
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,600
commitment and think about that 
commitment every day. 

758
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,200
It's not like you get married 
and then all the work is done 

759
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,800
for you, you get married and 
you're still in a relationship 

760
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,300
and you're still doing your best
to make it the best relationship

761
00:47:08,300 --> 00:47:11,100
you can. 
But it's not working a bad way. 

762
00:47:11,100 --> 00:47:13,500
It's just that you can't expect 
to make no effort. 

763
00:47:13,500 --> 00:47:15,700
You still have to make the 
effort and be kind to 

764
00:47:15,700 --> 00:47:18,300
understanding it. 
Just sort of solidifies your 

765
00:47:18,300 --> 00:47:20,400
commitment. 
Yeah, that makes sense. 

766
00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:22,800
Hmm. 
Yeah. 

767
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,100
You can't go into marriage and 
be like, all right, it's over 

768
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:26,800
now. 
I don't want to try anymore. 

769
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:32,300
Yeah. 
So September 2011, this is one 

770
00:47:32,300 --> 00:47:37,100
Zoe's brand new show, new girl. 
Mmm premieres on Fox. 

771
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:40,700
It's huge and all of a sudden 
there's tons of articles about 

772
00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:43,800
her yeah more than this there 
weren't That many and then all 

773
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,800
of a sudden there were tons. 
She producer on that show as 

774
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,200
well. 
I don't know. 

775
00:47:49,300 --> 00:47:54,200
I feel like that show was just 
like suddenly she became almost 

776
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,600
like Mindy Kaling level in terms
of name recognition like she 

777
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:04,200
became and and that show to this
day is like, still people are 

778
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,700
still getting obsessed with it 
now. 

779
00:48:05,700 --> 00:48:08,300
Yeah, it's true. 
I know so many people here just 

780
00:48:08,300 --> 00:48:10,200
like we watch it over and over 
and over again. 

781
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:14,500
I know there was a New York 
Magazine article that covered in

782
00:48:14,500 --> 00:48:18,700
a vent for new girl, it was an 
early screening of it and Lala 

783
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,000
and this is what it said. 
It said Elsewhere on the 

784
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,500
premises additional is husband. 
Ben Gibbard, the lead singer of 

785
00:48:25,508 --> 00:48:28,700
the band, Death Cab for Cutie is
tending to her mother actress 

786
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,800
Mary Jo Deschanel a wisp of a 
woman with red hairy Potter 

787
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,100
glasses. 
Then there's John Mayer. 

788
00:48:37,300 --> 00:48:42,500
He's in every episode. 
He has to be, he's a never 

789
00:48:43,100 --> 00:48:47,200
Within the last one. 
Yeah, I think you would then 

790
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,000
there's John Mayer who's 
apparently friends. 

791
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,400
With merriwether, the 
showrunner. 

792
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,900
Like the creator of New Girl. 
Who Towers over everyone in a 

793
00:48:54,900 --> 00:48:57,300
cream-colored, ranchers hat. 
I will say though, Ben Gibbard 

794
00:48:57,300 --> 00:49:01,000
is 62. 
Also in God, I don't we Towers 

795
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,700
over Ben Gibbard but um, who 
Towers over everyone in a 

796
00:49:04,707 --> 00:49:06,500
cream-colored? 
Ranchers hat. 

797
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,500
I guess it's hat. 
Probably only. 

798
00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:11,600
Yeah. 
Um, photographers insist that 

799
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,800
they Chanel take a photo Go with
him and she said I felt weird 

800
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,600
because I've never met him in my
life. 

801
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,700
She said afterward, but he 
seemed nice the lights dim and 

802
00:49:19,700 --> 00:49:25,500
the guests quiet including mayor
who is the writer of this 

803
00:49:25,500 --> 00:49:27,800
article just got captivated by 
Tom. 

804
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:36,600
Ain't nothing to do with this. 
So funny he becomes the subject 

805
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:42,400
of conversation because to John 
Mayer just inserts himself into 

806
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,500
Story. 
He didn't ask for it though. 

807
00:49:45,500 --> 00:49:47,600
I know you're just all obsessed 
with him. 

808
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,500
We are it's like guys. 
That's what it's like not to be 

809
00:49:50,500 --> 00:49:52,600
chill. 
Like Fortune because it's like 

810
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,100
you love to hate us. 
So you really do love him. 

811
00:49:55,500 --> 00:49:58,800
The lights dim, and the guests 
quiet including mayor, who has 

812
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,300
just finished Doling out some 
wisdom, to the male bass on how 

813
00:50:02,300 --> 00:50:04,600
to handle the attention of 
female fans, while staying 

814
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,100
faithful to the women, their 
life scientists. 

815
00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:10,800
It's okay to sign tits. 
Moment moments later, he's an 

816
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,600
afterthought off back behind a 
row. 

817
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:17,100
Rubber tree doing some serious 
texting, all eyes shift back to 

818
00:50:17,100 --> 00:50:19,300
Dish. 
Know, I sending an angry email 

819
00:50:19,300 --> 00:50:22,700
to someone like that was so not 
relevant. 

820
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,200
Tell us that don't marry texting
like crazy behind a tree. 

821
00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:46,300
Of course, if you like giving 
people advice at the event she 

822
00:50:46,300 --> 00:50:49,700
was asked, do you ever get 
mistaken for Katy Perry? 

823
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,500
Yeah, that's a big thing. 
It's like her. 

824
00:50:53,500 --> 00:50:56,300
Katy Perry. 
What's your name? 

825
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,500
Married to John Krasinski, Emily
Blunt. 

826
00:51:00,500 --> 00:51:02,700
Hmm. 
And then obviously her sisters 

827
00:51:02,700 --> 00:51:08,700
always sister, there was also a 
girl on skins, who was thrown 

828
00:51:08,700 --> 00:51:12,300
into that group using them when 
you see all their faces 

829
00:51:12,300 --> 00:51:14,400
together. 
It's actually hard to tell you 

830
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,400
the friends. 
That's probably why she has 

831
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:20,200
bangs it's her bird. 
So he said I literally met her 

832
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:21,900
twice. 
Six years ago. 

833
00:51:22,100 --> 00:51:24,000
It's a strange relationship to 
have with somebody. 

834
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,200
I probably answer more questions
about her than about my own 

835
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:28,000
family. 
That's it. 

836
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:35,200
So funny, um, and the New Girl 
creator Merriweather joked, that

837
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,300
Zoe was the pinup of 
Williamsburg and Merryweather 

838
00:51:38,300 --> 00:51:41,200
said, when we were interviewing 
guy writers, we'd be talking 

839
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,200
about the show and it's very 
professional, then all of a 

840
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,000
sudden their voices would get 
like really low. 

841
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,700
And they'd be like, I love to do
dishnow and I was like, all 

842
00:51:49,700 --> 00:51:50,900
right, it's better for both of 
us. 

843
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:56,700
If you hold it back it is true. 
A lot of men love loves or 

844
00:51:56,700 --> 00:51:58,000
additional they do. 
Yeah. 

845
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:02,700
Yeah, and honestly, I get it. 
I think that pisses some women 

846
00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:04,400
off or they get through it. 
All right. 

847
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,900
Everyone like this girl. 
Yeah, her cupcakes and her 

848
00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:10,300
ukulele and stuff, but I also 
feel captivated by Zooey 

849
00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:12,900
Deschanel. 
Yeah, she does seem just like 

850
00:52:12,900 --> 00:52:17,600
so. 
I don't know, like Whimsical and

851
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,500
but like soft and light and like
not like, but she seems smart to

852
00:52:21,500 --> 00:52:26,400
yeah, yeah, I aspired to be 
like, oh, she's such a beautiful

853
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,600
woman. 
I asked Harley what he thought 

854
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,600
of Zooey Deschanel. 
He said, he also really liked. 

855
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,700
Mmm. 
Also said, she was a dream girl.

856
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:41,400
Yeah, and about this whole thing
Ben said, I'd seen her movies, 

857
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,500
and obviously, I thought she was
very beautiful, and he said 

858
00:52:44,500 --> 00:52:45,500
about meeting. 
Her. 

859
00:52:45,500 --> 00:52:49,000
I was just awestruck that she 
was even talking to me every 

860
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,600
once in a while. 
There's a guy that tries to be 

861
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,300
Charming, goofy. 
I'm just kind of like, I'm going

862
00:52:53,300 --> 00:52:54,900
to wait this out. 
Make sure it doesn't get an 

863
00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:57,600
appropriate. 
The male fans are kind of like 

864
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,300
Indie rockers stylish and say 
it's very rare. 

865
00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:03,800
That a big muscley guy is like I
love you Zooey Deschanel but who

866
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,400
knows maybe the show will change
that Gibbard who joined Twitter 

867
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,900
only after additional. 
This is still the New York 

868
00:53:10,300 --> 00:53:13,000
Magazine article give her two 
joined, Twitter only after 

869
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,600
Deschanel. 
Persuaded him to. 

870
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,300
They Tweet back Fourth. 
I heart Gibbs stack. 

871
00:53:17,700 --> 00:53:20,800
I don't know what that means. 
Says that Deschanel isn't using 

872
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,600
her tweets or hello, giggles. 
It some clever way to Shield, 

873
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,900
the real Zoe from view on the 
contrary. 

874
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,500
He said, I really don't feel 
like there's a lot of mystery 

875
00:53:29,500 --> 00:53:32,300
about Zoe, you know what I mean?
I don't mean that in the sense 

876
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:34,300
that she's not a complex person.
She is. 

877
00:53:34,300 --> 00:53:37,700
But I feel like she has given 
the public in her fans, a lot of

878
00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:39,400
who she is. 
And I think that's part of her 

879
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,800
appeal who she is in. 
Private is very similar to the 

880
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,100
person. 
You see in public isn't okay? 

881
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,300
So this is the author of the 
article said, as I'm leaving La,

882
00:53:48,300 --> 00:53:50,600
I listen to day Chanel's 
mixtape. 

883
00:53:50,900 --> 00:53:53,800
The first time I met her in New 
York, she was going off to DJ an

884
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:59,300
event with Gibbard LP's, of 
course, and I mentioned that I 

885
00:53:59,300 --> 00:54:02,200
had a friend who had been 
feeling down and listening to 

886
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,100
do. 
You Realize by The Flaming Lips 

887
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:09,800
on her Pete, it's a depressing 
song and Zoe said, I've got it 

888
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,400
happiness, songs are like my 
area and I guess she gave a mix 

889
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,100
CD to this writer but the writer
God about it, can't believe that

890
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,300
and then three months later 
decided to finally listen to it,

891
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,400
and all the songs. 
So this is a mix CD that Zooey 

892
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:29,700
Deschanel made all the songs on,
it were from between 1962 in 

893
00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:33,500
1979. 
And the writer said I probably 

894
00:54:33,500 --> 00:54:37,700
should be enough about this 
article said only five artists I

895
00:54:37,700 --> 00:54:43,000
recognized then said I was 
immediately taken when we first 

896
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,300
met that she had just this like 
Immense knowledge of really 

897
00:54:46,300 --> 00:54:48,800
obscure music. 
I hate to say it but it's the 

898
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,900
kind of obsession that mostly 
dudes have those Concepts but 

899
00:54:52,900 --> 00:54:54,700
Emmett he said, I hate to say. 
Oh yeah. 

900
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:59,700
Oh, but Road, second record, 
nerdy lonely, guys, know about 

901
00:54:59,700 --> 00:55:01,900
this stuff. 
She's turned me on to a lot of 

902
00:55:01,900 --> 00:55:04,200
music. 
I hadn't heard it just got to 

903
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,300
say this, my me so much my 
friend. 

904
00:55:06,300 --> 00:55:11,200
Brittany nauta mentioning again,
Brittany is like that like she 

905
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:16,400
just knows so much old music and
like Scary music and she has 

906
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:21,300
made me mix CDs night of. 
It is several times and they're 

907
00:55:21,300 --> 00:55:24,600
always so cool and yeah she 
ain't him song was on there once

908
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:30,800
and been said also about her 
music taste. 

909
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,100
She's really into late-era Beach
Boys for all. 

910
00:55:34,100 --> 00:55:36,600
I knew the Beach Boys. 
Stop making records after Pet 

911
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:37,800
Sounds. 
I'm a musician. 

912
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:40,500
I should know better than that. 
She was like you've never heard 

913
00:55:40,500 --> 00:55:43,100
sunflower and she was like mad 
about it. 

914
00:55:43,300 --> 00:55:46,300
So it's just it's so like 500 
Days of Summer? 

915
00:55:46,300 --> 00:55:47,500
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

916
00:55:47,500 --> 00:55:52,200
Like this writer here to his 
like yeah, yeah, so surprised 

917
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,200
like, oh, you're into this 
music. 

918
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:55,600
Yeah. 
You like this Miss? 

919
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,300
Yeah, this myth. 
I know, and then falling in love

920
00:55:58,300 --> 00:56:00,800
with her right away because of 
that, mmm. 

921
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,400
Have this. 
The they put the whole track 

922
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,400
listing and in here that she 
made it. 

923
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,900
Yeah it's all old like the only 
artist I really know there's 

924
00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:13,100
like the turtles at a James 
Beach Boys. 

925
00:56:13,100 --> 00:56:16,400
But yeah. 
Yeah, she really knows a lot 

926
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,200
about music. 
I do find that like I know he 

927
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,600
said I hate to say if that's ya 
really condescending. 

928
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,500
I know you like. 
So impressed with her because of

929
00:56:25,500 --> 00:56:26,900
that. 
Like I know it's really it's 

930
00:56:26,900 --> 00:56:30,500
really cool but like yeah it's 
just because she's a woman who's

931
00:56:30,500 --> 00:56:32,800
into. 
I know the same music that he's 

932
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,000
into. 
I know it's definitely a thing 

933
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,600
but I'm going to give him the 
Infidel because it was 2011. 

934
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:44,400
I still feel like I don't know 
it's different time but when the

935
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,000
journalist asked her if her and 
been bonded over music the first

936
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,200
time they met she said I'm 
worried about this thing about 

937
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,300
being in the generation of 
social networking. 

938
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,000
More people are like I am my 
musical taste. 

939
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,700
I'm I am not just a collective 
music or a collection of movies.

940
00:56:59,700 --> 00:57:01,700
I think that's a thing. 
People romanticize. 

941
00:57:01,700 --> 00:57:03,300
Oh my God, she likes the same 
band. 

942
00:57:03,300 --> 00:57:05,600
So she's a dream. 
I've definitely learned that. 

943
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:07,500
You can easily get stars in your
eyes. 

944
00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:10,700
I'll meet directors and they'll 
be like I love Godard and they 

945
00:57:10,700 --> 00:57:12,900
love screwball comedies and they
love all these things. 

946
00:57:12,900 --> 00:57:15,000
I love and then it's like wait a
minute, that doesn't mean they 

947
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,000
can make movies just because 
somebody like something that 

948
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:24,700
doesn't mean anything really Let
me sauce in so like just because

949
00:57:24,700 --> 00:57:26,700
they had the same interest as I 
mean, they're going to be 

950
00:57:26,700 --> 00:57:29,100
compatible personality-wise. 
Yeah. 

951
00:57:30,700 --> 00:57:34,600
Like on a personal level, like, 
do they, is he a good listener 

952
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:39,000
is like, ya are, I don't know. 
Do they like to go out? 

953
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,700
Do they both like to stay in? 
Like, it's like, definitely more

954
00:57:41,700 --> 00:57:44,000
than just. 
Yeah. 

955
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,200
Music. 
They listen to. 

956
00:57:45,500 --> 00:57:47,400
That's true. 
I know. 

957
00:57:48,500 --> 00:57:52,100
I felt like, I've no, I don't 
want to get into it. 

958
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:59,500
But surely, after this whole 
article, this is September 2011 

959
00:58:00,100 --> 00:58:06,000
In November 2011. 
It was announced that it was a 

960
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:10,900
sad day in Indy because only two
months after the new girl, 

961
00:58:10,900 --> 00:58:14,300
Premier o after the premiere, 
and only two weeks after two 

962
00:58:14,300 --> 00:58:18,700
years in marriage is reported 
that Ben and Zoe were divorcing.

963
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,300
Wow. 
It's kind of interesting. 

964
00:58:20,300 --> 00:58:22,900
It's a great as your career is 
like, reaching a new level. 

965
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:27,000
I know, I know. 
So we officially filed for 

966
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:32,000
divorce on December 27th, 2011, 
citing, I can never say is where

967
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:37,400
you're right concise. 
Aaron second, irreconcilable 

968
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,800
wait. 
All right, so you're working. 

969
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:44,800
Stop ears. 
I know his irr Isa realiable. 

970
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:49,700
Irreconcilable yeah 
irreconcilable that's right, 

971
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,300
irreconcilable differences. 
What the fuck does that even 

972
00:58:53,300 --> 00:58:57,400
mean? 
Um after only two years of 

973
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:02,200
marriage Zoe was 31, been 35 A 
source told US Weekly. 

974
00:59:02,500 --> 00:59:05,600
It was an agreeable with know. 
A third party involved. 

975
00:59:05,700 --> 00:59:08,900
Hmm, just kind of weird to me 
like why even say that? 

976
00:59:10,100 --> 00:59:11,900
I know exactly kind of makes us 
human. 

977
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,200
That's what you would say. 
If there wasn't that, I know a 

978
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:20,900
lot of Publications. 
I saw several that said they 

979
00:59:20,900 --> 00:59:24,700
were actually sad about this and
I think around the same time, I 

980
00:59:24,707 --> 00:59:27,200
think Kim Kardashian had gone 
through a divorce or something. 

981
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,000
So, a lot of people were 
comparing it and being like, I 

982
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:34,100
actually care about this one. 
Oh yeah, but I feel the same, to

983
00:59:34,100 --> 00:59:37,100
be honest. 
Yeah, what happened though, what

984
00:59:37,100 --> 00:59:40,700
happened? 
I couldn't find a Rate forward 

985
00:59:40,700 --> 00:59:42,500
explanation. 
Although of course we're going 

986
00:59:42,500 --> 00:59:45,300
to have song lyrics later to 
look at I think this could be 

987
00:59:45,300 --> 00:59:50,800
totally made up because this is 
on the Dumas subreddit and I 

988
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:55,500
don't know I feel like people 
just Say stuff on there. 

989
00:59:55,500 --> 00:59:59,100
Yeah we don't know I don't know 
like the fact you can that they 

990
00:59:59,100 --> 01:00:02,200
do ya know especially this 
because this is just people 

991
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:03,600
comment. 
Oh yeah. 

992
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,400
But there was a post on there. 
That said what's the best 

993
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,400
celebrity gossip that someone 
has told you and sworn is true. 

994
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,200
I don't mean a blind that you 
read somewhere by blinding me. 

995
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,800
Blind item Anonymous gossip. 
I don't mean to bind, you read 

996
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,500
somewhere on the internet but 
someone something that someone 

997
01:00:18,500 --> 01:00:21,600
has told you that they heard 
from a friend of a friend of a 

998
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,200
friend who went to school with 
his life. 

999
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,800
Parties are stated their 
brothers lasted to go with class

1000
01:00:26,100 --> 01:00:29,500
with her ex wife and completely 
and says is true, the weirder or

1001
01:00:29,500 --> 01:00:33,400
murmur random the better and 
someone commented. 

1002
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,500
And again, this is probably 
totally bullshit but I'm just 

1003
01:00:36,500 --> 01:00:39,700
going to tell you. 
Someone commented that Zoe 

1004
01:00:39,700 --> 01:00:42,900
cheated on Ben. 
Joseph, Gordon-Levitt know. 

1005
01:00:42,900 --> 01:00:44,900
I know, right? 
That sounds like fanfic. 

1006
01:00:44,900 --> 01:00:48,000
I know, right? 
I don't, I also saw is on the 

1007
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,600
website, lipstick a lie, but I 
do think it's way too. 

1008
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:55,100
It's so convenient salt. 
There's after 500 eases. 

1009
01:00:55,100 --> 01:00:58,200
Hey, maybe if it was like during
their, like them shooting that 

1010
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,000
movie, I know, I know. 
I don't think so. 

1011
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,500
It could be that one of them 
want to kids and like one of 

1012
01:01:03,500 --> 01:01:05,800
them didn't want kids, or since 
I would do they both have kids? 

1013
01:01:06,300 --> 01:01:11,000
No, she actually did say on the 
record that she didn't want to 

1014
01:01:11,008 --> 01:01:12,500
have kids, but she does have 
kids. 

1015
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,900
Okay, interesting. 
That's a huge thing. 

1016
01:01:14,900 --> 01:01:17,400
Especially for people at that 
age, like one reason why they 

1017
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,200
break up and why it would be 
amicable, because it's just like

1018
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,100
they don't want the same thing. 
Yeah, so yeah, I don't think 

1019
01:01:23,100 --> 01:01:28,400
that's It's true but I wasn't 
that Justin go to George Joseph 

1020
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:33,100
gordon-levitt's later wife does 
have dark hair things. 

1021
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:37,600
No, but I don't, I really don't 
think so. 

1022
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,300
They were friends and I had been
friends for years and they did 

1023
01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:44,800
record a video together. 
What are you doing on New Year's

1024
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:48,200
Eve thing like they saying and 
she played ukulele and he did 

1025
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:49,900
look really smitten the whole 
video. 

1026
01:01:49,900 --> 01:01:53,100
Oh but she just acted pretty 
normal. 

1027
01:01:53,100 --> 01:01:54,600
Yeah. 
I don't know. 

1028
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:59,300
Can't picture it to be honest 
with you, even though they know 

1029
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,200
good chemistry. 
I doubt it. 

1030
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,200
I feel like that's too easy to 
be like oh her co-star. 

1031
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:09,200
Yeah the love interest in 500 
Days of Summer. 

1032
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:14,100
Yeah anyway in the divorce 
documents it was revealed that 

1033
01:02:14,100 --> 01:02:20,200
Zoe had 1 million five hundred 
seventy eight dollar know 1 

1034
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,100
million. 
Five hundred seventy eight 

1035
01:02:22,100 --> 01:02:26,000
thousand dollars in In the bank,
an additional 1 million six 

1036
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:30,500
hundred forty five thousand 
dollars in stocks and bonds and 

1037
01:02:30,500 --> 01:02:34,500
that she made an average of 95 
thousand a month and spent 

1038
01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:38,500
around twenty two thousand, 
five, hundred a month, the how? 

1039
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,800
And she donated 1500 each month 
to charity. 

1040
01:02:41,900 --> 01:02:43,700
Oh, that's really. 
Nice, is nice. 

1041
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,100
Crazy though sorry Zoe invasion 
of privacy but that was 

1042
01:02:48,100 --> 01:02:52,400
interesting. 
Um 95 thousand a month that is 

1043
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,000
so I can't imagine that. 
I know, can you? 

1044
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:02,900
Oh my gosh manifesting 95 that I
can't even imagine how many PG 

1045
01:03:02,900 --> 01:03:05,500
owns it was growing to make that
much. 

1046
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:12,500
I don't even know. 
So not long after been, she 

1047
01:03:12,500 --> 01:03:14,300
started dating this green 
writer. 

1048
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:19,900
Me Linden who wrote Dear, John, 
you've mentioned that before - 

1049
01:03:19,900 --> 01:03:21,900
for two years. 
Wow. 

1050
01:03:21,900 --> 01:03:24,500
She's a real relationship, girl.
Yeah, she is. 

1051
01:03:24,500 --> 01:03:29,500
She is October. 2012 been 
released a solo album called 

1052
01:03:29,500 --> 01:03:32,400
former lives and so he's 
actually credited with some 

1053
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:36,900
vocals on the album and he said 
that he made the album, it was a

1054
01:03:36,900 --> 01:03:39,100
collection of songs that he'd 
written over many years that 

1055
01:03:39,100 --> 01:03:42,700
just didn't make it onto the 
Death Cab album and he was 

1056
01:03:42,700 --> 01:03:46,800
interviewed around the time. 
By promoting this solo album and

1057
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,300
NPR talk to him. 
And said, how are you holding 

1058
01:03:49,300 --> 01:03:51,800
up? 
He was Raz from MPR. 

1059
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,800
How are you holding up in? 
Been said, I'm doing good. 

1060
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,000
I'm doing good. 
I realized that answer sounds 

1061
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,900
incredibly dire maybe kind of 
serious but you know, I'm, you 

1062
01:04:00,900 --> 01:04:03,400
know, life is wonderful and it's
been really rewarding. 

1063
01:04:03,500 --> 01:04:09,000
Hmm. 
So he was also interviewed by 

1064
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,800
consequence dotnet about former 
lives and they said you've said 

1065
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:16,400
the material and former lives A 
eight years, three relationships

1066
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,700
to cities and drinking. 
You also stated, I think people 

1067
01:04:19,700 --> 01:04:21,700
would be surprised when these 
songs were written there. 

1068
01:04:21,700 --> 01:04:25,000
Who they written for that your 
way of telling naysayers, not 

1069
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,300
everything on this album is 
about your most recent 

1070
01:04:27,300 --> 01:04:30,000
relationship. 
So it is now he saw me. 

1071
01:04:30,008 --> 01:04:32,700
He said songs are very really 
what people think they're about.

1072
01:04:32,700 --> 01:04:35,500
I've never written a row. 
I've never given a roadmap for 

1073
01:04:35,500 --> 01:04:38,600
who my songs are about when they
were written in the past I'm 

1074
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:40,300
certainly not going to start 
doing it now. 

1075
01:04:40,300 --> 01:04:43,400
I honestly don't see how going 
through an album and telling 

1076
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,000
everybody what. 
Every song is specifically about

1077
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,000
is beneficial to The Listener. 
I think it actually takes away 

1078
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,800
from the experience because what
makes a song resonate with 

1079
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,000
somebody is not the fact that 
you know a songs about 

1080
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,200
particular thing. 
It's about how it resonates 

1081
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,300
through life and how you 
contextualize it. 

1082
01:04:58,300 --> 01:05:00,300
I honestly feel like I felt this
way before. 

1083
01:05:00,700 --> 01:05:03,900
It doesn't do listener any 
service to be given a roadmap 

1084
01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:06,300
for any songs. 
I agree with that. 

1085
01:05:06,300 --> 01:05:09,400
I think I mean, sometimes if 
it's a song that you don't 

1086
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,300
really like it first amplify it,
when you're like, oh that's 

1087
01:05:12,300 --> 01:05:13,900
pretty cool. 
That it's about that person. 

1088
01:05:13,900 --> 01:05:15,400
Yeah. 
But if it's a song you really 

1089
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,900
love and then you find out, it's
specifically about something 

1090
01:05:18,900 --> 01:05:20,800
else. 
It can sometimes take it away 

1091
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,600
from your situation if it 
differs from. 

1092
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:25,600
Yeah went through. 
Whatever. 

1093
01:05:25,700 --> 01:05:29,400
I agree and Ben. 
I feel bad because I'm going to 

1094
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:33,500
look at Derek's analyze how 
they're about Zoe, but I will 

1095
01:05:33,500 --> 01:05:36,900
say that like even though I do 
kind of think, oh, I feel like 

1096
01:05:36,900 --> 01:05:39,100
this is about. 
Zoe, I can still listen to them 

1097
01:05:39,100 --> 01:05:44,000
and not think about the yeah. 
Yeah, they're very poetic and 

1098
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,400
Relatable stuff. 
This next part of interview 

1099
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:51,800
isn't about Zoe but I thought it
kind of related to our podcast 

1100
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,900
little bit. 
They said I was reading the 

1101
01:05:54,900 --> 01:05:57,800
lyrics of the album and I was 
drawn to how poetic they were 

1102
01:05:58,100 --> 01:06:00,400
when I was reading the lyrics to
bigger than love. 

1103
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,300
I wasn't sure if this was an 
autobiography autobiographical 

1104
01:06:03,300 --> 01:06:06,800
song or not and then I read you 
based it on love letters between

1105
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:10,400
F, Scott and Zelda Fitzgerald, 
which was rather interesting and

1106
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,200
been said in that song that's an
important detail and knowing and

1107
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:16,000
understanding the song Don't 
know who could have tied? 

1108
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:17,900
It all together. 
Who could have figured out what 

1109
01:06:17,900 --> 01:06:21,800
the song was about giving the 
geographical locations and a 

1110
01:06:21,808 --> 01:06:24,100
very deep knowledge of F Scott, 
Fitzgerald's work. 

1111
01:06:24,100 --> 01:06:26,200
Probably not many. 
I've been so fond of those 

1112
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:28,900
letters that they wrote back and
forth for a long time. 

1113
01:06:28,900 --> 01:06:30,700
There were so many Beautiful 
Stories within them. 

1114
01:06:30,700 --> 01:06:33,700
And I wanted to try a little 
piece of them together to do a 

1115
01:06:33,700 --> 01:06:37,900
song and they said, where they 
published a novel somewhere or 

1116
01:06:37,900 --> 01:06:40,300
did you still won't stumble upon
them in a store? 

1117
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,100
And he said, there's a book 
called dear Scott, dear Zelda, 

1118
01:06:43,100 --> 01:06:46,000
which is all their career. 
Respondents throughout their 

1119
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,300
lives. 
It's a pretty great read. 

1120
01:06:47,300 --> 01:06:50,200
It's really romantic and tragic.
At the same time, I'm very fond 

1121
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:51,300
of it. 
And I've been trying to figure 

1122
01:06:51,300 --> 01:06:54,500
out a way to pull from it for a 
while and ended up writing that 

1123
01:06:54,500 --> 01:06:58,600
tune. 
So I just think that sounds like

1124
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:05,400
he might like our pocket, maybe 
he's already a listening, cool. 

1125
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:10,900
Yeah, I mean if he's into Scott 
and Zelda has romance, I hope 

1126
01:07:11,500 --> 01:07:14,200
hope Daniel understand why we're
so fascinated with. 

1127
01:07:14,300 --> 01:07:16,300
Romance. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1128
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:21,800
It's the same. 
I do want to do if Scott and 

1129
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,300
Zelda someday. 
That's, that's just a big one. 

1130
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,200
See that's, that's why it's like
history, people don't think it's

1131
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:32,200
as invasive to, like, talk about
and they'd ever decouples from. 

1132
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,700
Yeah, exactly. 
That's true. 

1133
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:39,400
But yeah, you know, 
interestingly, the cover of 

1134
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:43,300
former lives that album the 
artwork is by his ex-girlfriend 

1135
01:07:43,300 --> 01:07:45,300
Joan hill. 
Fleur oh wow. 

1136
01:07:45,300 --> 01:07:50,100
From before we before, Zoe, hmm,
he literally gave me that I 

1137
01:07:50,100 --> 01:07:56,600
found all that out. 
So a couple songs on this solo 

1138
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,600
album, I feel like could be 
about Zoe. 

1139
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,600
There's a song Shepherds Bush 
lullaby, which talks about 

1140
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,400
London. 
I just think it's interesting 

1141
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:09,000
because it hasn't come out yet 
in this timeline but later, she 

1142
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:12,700
and Hymns album volume 3. 
There's also a song about London

1143
01:08:15,500 --> 01:08:18,500
Shared memories. 
I don't know in the song he 

1144
01:08:18,500 --> 01:08:21,399
says. 
I hope you can hear me in dreams

1145
01:08:21,399 --> 01:08:23,500
be near me as you sleep in Ocean
away. 

1146
01:08:23,500 --> 01:08:27,100
I know that I love you. 
My every thought is of you oh 

1147
01:08:27,100 --> 01:08:28,800
the clouds are beginning to 
break. 

1148
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:34,100
Just sad on the song. 
Oh whoa, he says it's been a 

1149
01:08:34,100 --> 01:08:39,200
basement of a year who were just
on sad but it's actually a 

1150
01:08:39,207 --> 01:08:42,000
really upbeat song. 
So Wilson has a basement, can be

1151
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:43,600
fun. 
It's true. 

1152
01:08:45,300 --> 01:08:49,300
There's this song A Hard One to 
know, I don't know if it's 

1153
01:08:49,300 --> 01:08:50,399
about. 
So it could be about somebody 

1154
01:08:50,399 --> 01:08:54,100
else but or it could be about 
multiple people, I don't know. 

1155
01:08:54,100 --> 01:08:57,800
But it says you call a truce and
then you start a fight, you 

1156
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,600
change your signals like a 
traffic light because you're a 

1157
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:04,500
hard hard, one to know around 
your heart, you tied a fishing 

1158
01:09:04,500 --> 01:09:07,700
line, and you cast it out there,
just to see who bites because 

1159
01:09:07,700 --> 01:09:11,100
you're a hard hard, one to know.
I toss and turn by just can't 

1160
01:09:11,100 --> 01:09:13,899
get to sleep when I start 
thinking about what you do to 

1161
01:09:13,899 --> 01:09:15,600
me. 
You're like a flower garden 

1162
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:19,300
buried in snow. 
You're a hard one to know and I 

1163
01:09:19,308 --> 01:09:22,600
just thought was interesting. 
The line about you're like a 

1164
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:27,000
flower garden buried in snow 
because later on she has a 

1165
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:31,300
lyric, she has a song where she 
calls herself a Snow Queen. 

1166
01:09:31,500 --> 01:09:34,700
Oh interesting. 
I know what do you think that 

1167
01:09:34,700 --> 01:09:35,500
mean? 
So what is it? 

1168
01:09:35,500 --> 01:09:37,800
Your flower garden buried in 
snow. 

1169
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:44,899
Mmm like you're a beautiful 
person but But there's something

1170
01:09:44,899 --> 01:09:47,700
like blocking your beauty or 
whatever. 

1171
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:49,899
Yeah. 
I feel like it's just kind of 

1172
01:09:50,500 --> 01:09:52,399
the same thing. 
He's saying like you're a hard 

1173
01:09:52,399 --> 01:09:54,700
one to know. 
Like you put up a there's 

1174
01:09:54,700 --> 01:09:55,700
something covering. 
Yeah. 

1175
01:09:55,700 --> 01:09:59,800
Like as a front yeah it's like 
there's something There's 

1176
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:02,800
something keeping you from 
showing your beautiful garden. 

1177
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,700
I don't know your vulnerability 
but it seems like you said 

1178
01:10:06,700 --> 01:10:10,900
before that people say that who 
Zooey Deschanel is publicly is 

1179
01:10:10,900 --> 01:10:13,100
also who she is privately. 
He said that. 

1180
01:10:13,100 --> 01:10:14,300
Yeah. 
I know. 

1181
01:10:15,100 --> 01:10:18,200
Mmm. 
Unless she's not even showing 

1182
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:20,700
her real self. 
Yeah. 

1183
01:10:20,700 --> 01:10:24,000
Maybe like wait what? 
Yeah, you've been doing your 

1184
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,400
persona on me too? 
Yeah. 

1185
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:28,600
No, I don't know. 
It could not be about her. 

1186
01:10:29,500 --> 01:10:33,500
And then there's this song, 
Broken Yolk in the Western sky, 

1187
01:10:33,500 --> 01:10:35,200
which kind of sounds like a song
that you would see. 

1188
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:41,500
It kind of has like, a howdy 
upbeat Western sound to it. 

1189
01:10:41,700 --> 01:10:46,000
Um, he's again, I don't know. 
This could be your, her could 

1190
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:51,400
not be but he wrote, I know it 
was a cowardly thing to do in 

1191
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:54,100
that an explanation is not an 
excuse. 

1192
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:57,100
I just need you to understand 
that my love is like, some kind 

1193
01:10:57,100 --> 01:11:00,900
of greed of equal portions. 
Want and need and I cannot 

1194
01:11:00,900 --> 01:11:03,500
divorce the two. 
I could not worry. 

1195
01:11:03,500 --> 01:11:07,100
I know, right? 
That word I could not sleep at 

1196
01:11:07,100 --> 01:11:10,800
all, with all the rumble, strips
close, calls in the gravel and 

1197
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,700
Scattered trash. 
I faded into your past when you 

1198
01:11:14,700 --> 01:11:18,100
think twice, you arrive at the 
same conclusion and it's bad 

1199
01:11:18,100 --> 01:11:22,700
advice only if you use it and 
then you disappeared from View 

1200
01:11:22,700 --> 01:11:26,600
and you became someone new, 
somebody new near the exits 

1201
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:29,600
overpass I faded into your past.
East. 

1202
01:11:30,500 --> 01:11:32,800
Which is sad. 
That is really sad. 

1203
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:37,500
I'm so sad. 
Like they got married, like they

1204
01:11:37,500 --> 01:11:41,900
were very good, we're going to 
be together forever. 

1205
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:47,300
That's why we got to tell the 
story so world doesn't forget 

1206
01:11:47,300 --> 01:11:52,300
that she was married to Ben 
Gibbard then in May 2013. 

1207
01:11:52,300 --> 01:11:54,800
She and Him released the album 
volume 3. 

1208
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,600
As we know that Eric's are all 
by Zoe. 

1209
01:11:58,700 --> 01:12:00,600
Could they be about been a lot 
of songs. 

1210
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:04,000
Sound like they're about 
heartbreak just sounds like it's

1211
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,200
a sadder Vibe than what she's 
been doing. 

1212
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:09,900
Kind of but they still have that
upbeats. 

1213
01:12:09,900 --> 01:12:14,200
Yeah, here's like I'll show 
here's one called I've got your 

1214
01:12:14,200 --> 01:13:11,700
number son. 
Again, repeating myself. 

1215
01:13:11,700 --> 01:13:14,300
I don't know if it's about him 
but there's lyrics. 

1216
01:13:14,300 --> 01:13:17,000
Like, I don't want to spend 
night after night with you, 

1217
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,400
while you figure it out. 
You're getting restless, I'm 

1218
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:22,500
getting restless looking at you.
I don't want to be your rock. 

1219
01:13:22,700 --> 01:13:26,400
In hard times because I figured 
you out, you're not a man who 

1220
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,200
can understand anyone, but you 
would. 

1221
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:32,900
I sacrifice myself at the altar 
of someone else's love for me. 

1222
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:36,600
No, that doesn't comfort me. 
You think you can creep in the 

1223
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,900
shadows while you figure it out?
I've listened to enough of your 

1224
01:13:39,900 --> 01:13:43,900
stuff to feel a book or two and 
you can tell everyone that I've 

1225
01:13:43,900 --> 01:13:46,200
got your number son. 
Hmm. 

1226
01:13:47,900 --> 01:13:51,500
If it's about him, I don't know,
maybe not seems like she's kind 

1227
01:13:51,500 --> 01:13:58,500
of fed up with him and what? 
I sacrifice myself at the altar 

1228
01:13:58,500 --> 01:14:03,700
of someone else's love. 
For me, it's like kind of like 

1229
01:14:03,700 --> 01:14:05,800
her character and 500 Days of 
Summer. 

1230
01:14:05,900 --> 01:14:08,800
Mmm, Like she. 
Yeah. 

1231
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,100
She was like annoyed by his 
affection. 

1232
01:14:11,300 --> 01:14:15,200
Yeah. 
And it seems like she thinks she

1233
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:20,000
would have to sacrifice 
something for his love. 

1234
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:23,700
Did they just want to do a still
living in La? 

1235
01:14:23,700 --> 01:14:25,500
I wonder if like, that was a big
part of it. 

1236
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:30,100
It definitely was definitely was
and I'm gonna get into that. 

1237
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,900
She also has the song, never 
wanted your love. 

1238
01:14:32,900 --> 01:14:34,900
Mmm. 
She says, I'm not talking to you

1239
01:14:34,900 --> 01:14:38,100
anymore. 
I'm not talking to you and Any 

1240
01:14:38,100 --> 01:14:42,000
more, um, making my bed. 
So I can lie there forever. 

1241
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,100
I don't know what I'm doing this
for. 

1242
01:14:44,100 --> 01:14:47,000
All I know is I'm tired of being
clever, everybody's clever these

1243
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:51,400
days, take a win, take a fall. 
I never wanted your love but I 

1244
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,800
needed it all. 
You're so close that I can't see

1245
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:56,800
you. 
Keep trying to bother me and 

1246
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:59,600
then you do it again. 
Say you're right and all agree. 

1247
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:02,600
I don't want to set you free and
then you do it again. 

1248
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:07,000
Do what again? 
Mmm, say you're right and I'll 

1249
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,700
agree. 
Yeah those are, those are the 

1250
01:15:09,700 --> 01:15:14,200
lyrics. 
I'll look at that album but then

1251
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:19,700
so now times past at this point,
now I'm at 2015 but this is when

1252
01:15:19,700 --> 01:15:22,800
Death Cab For Cutie's eighth 
studio, album comes out, 

1253
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:27,300
kintsugi and is clear from the 
lyrics that are a lot are 

1254
01:15:27,300 --> 01:15:29,900
inspired from his divorce. 
Does Zoe. 

1255
01:15:30,500 --> 01:15:33,000
But also halfway through 
recording this album the band 

1256
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,400
member Chris Walla. 
Who was the guitarist? 

1257
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:39,300
He left the band. 
So That might, I don't know if 

1258
01:15:39,308 --> 01:15:42,400
the influence of lyrics, but it 
possibly could have because I'm 

1259
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,300
sure there was hard feelings. 
So that's one that other guy 

1260
01:15:45,300 --> 01:15:47,900
came in the Band. 
Dave Dapper and then he got with

1261
01:15:47,900 --> 01:15:50,700
Ben's ex okay, wow, what a small
world. 

1262
01:15:53,500 --> 01:15:59,300
So for the album coming out 
soon, he talked to Vice and for 

1263
01:15:59,300 --> 01:16:02,200
some reason he was asked what 
the meaning of life is and Ben 

1264
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:04,500
said, all you have in life is 
the relationships. 

1265
01:16:04,500 --> 01:16:07,500
You have other people, they 
romantic friendships bands their

1266
01:16:07,500 --> 01:16:10,000
friend He's, but I think 
throughout my entire life, there

1267
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,100
have been people who have been 
constant throughout all the 

1268
01:16:12,100 --> 01:16:14,600
weird fucking shit. 
I don't know how I'd get through

1269
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:18,300
these trying moments in my life 
without my family or bandmates 

1270
01:16:18,300 --> 01:16:20,500
or people who've been around 
this whole time. 

1271
01:16:20,500 --> 01:16:23,600
I can count on one hand. 
The kind of people who were 

1272
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,500
those people for me when I was 
living in Los Angeles, I had to 

1273
01:16:26,500 --> 01:16:29,100
leave and come back to realize I
had no reason to leave in the 

1274
01:16:29,100 --> 01:16:31,500
first place. 
The reasons for leaving were too

1275
01:16:31,500 --> 01:16:34,400
personal and complicated for 
here but I have I had to leave 

1276
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,200
and come back to think. 
I'm never leaving. 

1277
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:37,800
Seattle. 
This is where I belong. 

1278
01:16:38,300 --> 01:16:41,200
Even while I wouldn't trade my 
time in LA for anything and as 

1279
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:44,300
painful as divorce is, I would 
do it again in all of those 

1280
01:16:44,300 --> 01:16:47,000
cliche answers. 
But it was only Waking Up in 

1281
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:50,300
Southern California landscape 
every day where I was where I 

1282
01:16:50,300 --> 01:16:54,400
realized where it's not my home.
The only way it can realize 

1283
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:58,100
where your home is by leaving. 
I learned a lot in my time there

1284
01:16:58,100 --> 01:17:01,300
in l.a. like it's one of those 
weird Judy things where you go 

1285
01:17:01,300 --> 01:17:03,600
through some really dark shitty 
times. 

1286
01:17:03,700 --> 01:17:05,600
I rather on, it's one of those 
weird things. 

1287
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:07,600
We go through some really dark 
City Times. 

1288
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,400
There is at realization. 
Like I never want to do that 

1289
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:13,100
again, but I'm glad it happened.
But only when you get some 

1290
01:17:13,100 --> 01:17:15,400
distance from it, bringing back 
to some of the stuff on the 

1291
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:18,300
record only after you take it 
out and apart and reassemble. 

1292
01:17:18,300 --> 01:17:20,800
It can you realize why it fell 
apart or didn't work? 

1293
01:17:21,100 --> 01:17:23,000
And you were an active for 
participant. 

1294
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:25,600
In that sometimes reasons you 
weren't even aware of at the 

1295
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:26,800
time. 
Yeah. 

1296
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:30,700
It really sounds like the 
location is a huge deal breaker 

1297
01:17:30,700 --> 01:17:33,100
in this. 
Yeah, and also just the context 

1298
01:17:33,100 --> 01:17:38,800
that she filed for divorce right
after the premiere of her new 

1299
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:42,600
hit show Which films in Allah. 
Yeah, I'm sure I don't know if 

1300
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,500
like it had already been renewed
for like a second season or yeah

1301
01:17:45,500 --> 01:17:50,200
but it's like she's not going to
you know, up and move know and I

1302
01:17:50,208 --> 01:17:55,100
feel like the permanence of that
location probably hit him too. 

1303
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:59,300
I know if I had to guess, I feel
like maybe she wanted to go to 

1304
01:17:59,300 --> 01:18:01,900
all these parties and stuff and 
like and now she's like a big 

1305
01:18:01,900 --> 01:18:04,000
celebrity. 
Yeah, she's from La. 

1306
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:07,800
She likes LA and he doesn't want
to be part of that. 

1307
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:09,300
World. 
And he kind of says stuff like 

1308
01:18:09,300 --> 01:18:11,900
that later on to. 
It doesn't seem like it was his 

1309
01:18:11,900 --> 01:18:14,100
decision though. 
So I wonder if it did come to 

1310
01:18:14,100 --> 01:18:18,900
him being like I don't want to 
do this or you know, maybe he 

1311
01:18:18,900 --> 01:18:21,500
wanted to go to Washington or 
maybe you just want to stay home

1312
01:18:21,500 --> 01:18:23,600
and it seems like they were both
not happy. 

1313
01:18:23,700 --> 01:18:29,200
Yeah, sad. 
He talked to the National post 

1314
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:33,500
about it and just a lot about. 
I feel like I don't have to read

1315
01:18:33,500 --> 01:18:36,900
the whole thing but asking like 
it's been made that the lyrics 

1316
01:18:36,900 --> 01:18:39,200
to This Album Are about Ben's ex
wife. 

1317
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:41,200
You were quite shy about talking
about the relationship. 

1318
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:43,500
When it was happening. 
How do you feel about writing 

1319
01:18:43,500 --> 01:18:45,300
songs about it now? 
And he basically talks about how

1320
01:18:45,300 --> 01:18:51,800
like he didn't want to talk 
about Zoe in the songs, but 

1321
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:56,400
Jenny Lewis actually encouraged 
him to and said, fuck that. 

1322
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:58,100
You don't hold back. 
You don't change how you go 

1323
01:18:58,100 --> 01:19:04,100
about your business. 
So yeah, I think I think clearly

1324
01:19:04,100 --> 01:19:07,200
in the lyrics they are about her
but obviously doesn't like, 

1325
01:19:07,300 --> 01:19:08,700
yeah. 
Obvious. 

1326
01:19:09,700 --> 01:19:14,000
So yeah, there's some songs. 
I want to look at one of them. 

1327
01:19:14,100 --> 01:19:17,500
This this is really sad, I think
but it's a catchy song. 

1328
01:19:17,500 --> 01:19:21,800
No room in frame. 
The lyrics are, I don't know 

1329
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:23,600
where to begin. 
There's too many things that I 

1330
01:19:23,608 --> 01:19:27,000
can't remember. 
As I Disappeared like a trend in

1331
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:31,100
the hum of the five in the early
morning and now I'm taking my 

1332
01:19:31,100 --> 01:19:34,800
time up through Coalinga, 
through the valley, this highway

1333
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,000
lived in my mind. 
It takes me back to the place 

1334
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:38,100
that made me. 
Me. 

1335
01:19:38,500 --> 01:19:43,200
So I think highway back to 
Washington was I in your way 

1336
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:47,000
when the camera is turned to 
face, you know, room and frame 

1337
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:49,000
for to. 
That's kind of like the chorus 

1338
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:52,400
was Ian you own way. 
Yeah. 

1339
01:19:52,900 --> 01:19:57,300
And then later on, he says 
something about the thing. 

1340
01:19:57,300 --> 01:20:00,600
They once knew as love, raising 
their voices to convince one 

1341
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:04,100
another was I in your way when 
the camera is turned to face, 

1342
01:20:04,100 --> 01:20:09,100
you know, room in frame for to, 
how can I stay The sun, when the

1343
01:20:09,100 --> 01:20:11,100
rain flows, all through my 
veins. 

1344
01:20:11,100 --> 01:20:13,900
It's true. 
And I guess it's not a failure. 

1345
01:20:13,900 --> 01:20:16,100
We could help. 
And we'll both go on to be 

1346
01:20:16,100 --> 01:20:20,400
lonely with someone else. 
Oh, that's quite sad. 

1347
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:26,400
I know optimization. 
It's they're actually articles 

1348
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:31,800
from this time saying, like 
it's, is it wrong that we want 

1349
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:36,100
Ben Gibbard to be depressed 
because he does right? 

1350
01:20:36,100 --> 01:20:38,300
Beautiful sad lyrics. 
Alex. 

1351
01:20:38,300 --> 01:20:40,400
And I think the fan base really 
preferred. 

1352
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:43,900
These like type of sadly. 
Yeah, he is so good at it. 

1353
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:47,200
This is not a no room in frame 
for to. 

1354
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:50,100
Yeah, definitely seems like her 
growing stardom. 

1355
01:20:50,100 --> 01:20:52,500
Yeah, conflict. 
Mmm. 

1356
01:20:54,100 --> 01:20:59,000
Then there's the song Black sun 
and he does say something like, 

1357
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,700
there's a desert failed in 
pavement. 

1358
01:21:02,100 --> 01:21:04,200
I don't know if that's supposed 
to be LA or just like Los 

1359
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:07,500
Angeles, and, or California and 
he says, and there's a city of 

1360
01:21:07,900 --> 01:21:11,200
In Hills, which I know. 
Seattle is a city of Seven Hills

1361
01:21:11,900 --> 01:21:15,300
and all our debris flows to the 
ocean to meet again. 

1362
01:21:15,300 --> 01:21:18,600
I hope it will. 
That's really sad. 

1363
01:21:20,900 --> 01:21:24,400
How could something he's? 
Things are really slow. 

1364
01:21:24,500 --> 01:21:30,500
So fair be so cool when this 
black Sun revolved around you. 

1365
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:35,200
Oh, I lie to you. 
I know there's some really could

1366
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:39,700
have been in the Saga. 
Then he says, there is a role of

1367
01:21:39,700 --> 01:21:45,300
a lifetime new girl. 
And there's a song yet to be 

1368
01:21:45,300 --> 01:21:47,900
sung. 
And there's a dumpster in the 

1369
01:21:47,900 --> 01:21:51,500
driveway of all the plans that 
came undone. 

1370
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:53,900
Oh, that's sad. 
They really sort of a lot of 

1371
01:21:53,900 --> 01:21:56,000
their stuff. 
I know. 

1372
01:21:57,200 --> 01:22:00,200
It kills me, we were just 
talking for this episode. 

1373
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:04,200
I like People who go through a 
breakup where they gonna have to

1374
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,200
like move. 
That's, yeah, that's a whole 

1375
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:08,500
added level of like heartache 
there. 

1376
01:22:09,500 --> 01:22:14,500
All the plans in the dumps their
their life together in the 

1377
01:22:14,500 --> 01:22:17,300
dumpster. 
I feel like that imagery would 

1378
01:22:17,300 --> 01:22:20,200
be like, kind of traumatic. 
I know you think you're going to

1379
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:24,300
spend the rest of your life with
someone and, you know, getting a

1380
01:22:24,308 --> 01:22:27,700
U-Haul and like yeah, throwing 
things away. 

1381
01:22:27,900 --> 01:22:29,800
It's like literally putting it 
in the trash. 

1382
01:22:29,900 --> 01:22:33,800
That's so sad. 
Then there's a song Beverly 

1383
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:37,500
Drive, which I think is 
definitely about California to, 

1384
01:22:37,500 --> 01:22:41,500
and he said things, oh, I need 
not be flattered that you've 

1385
01:22:41,500 --> 01:22:44,700
never been here before. 
So there's no need to mention 

1386
01:22:44,700 --> 01:22:49,600
that you've no first before And 
I thought about her, but it just

1387
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:51,900
sounds like someone, like, oh, 
that, you've done it all, or 

1388
01:22:51,900 --> 01:22:52,800
something. 
I don't know. 

1389
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:56,500
But let, if you let me be your 
Skyline, I'll let you be the 

1390
01:22:56,500 --> 01:22:59,400
wave. 
That reduces me to Rubble, but 

1391
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:03,500
look, say from far away and then
I don't know why. 

1392
01:23:03,500 --> 01:23:06,800
I don't know why, I don't know 
why I return to the scenes of 

1393
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:10,000
these crimes, where the head 
grows, slowly Wind Through The 

1394
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:12,700
Ghosts of Beverly Drive. 
I don't know why, I don't know 

1395
01:23:12,700 --> 01:23:15,900
why, I don't know what I expect 
to find where all the news is 

1396
01:23:15,900 --> 01:23:20,600
second hand and everything. 
Just goes on as planned and then

1397
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:23,000
I don't know if it's about so it
could be just like about Society

1398
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:27,100
or whatever but he says you want
to teach but not be taught and I

1399
01:23:27,100 --> 01:23:31,000
want to sell but not be bought. 
So let us not be Lonesome, let 

1400
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:33,700
us not be. 
Lonesome lost in between our 

1401
01:23:33,700 --> 01:23:36,100
needs and wants are needs and 
wants. 

1402
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:41,900
Are You Lonesome? 
Definitely there. 

1403
01:23:41,900 --> 01:23:46,300
Definitely was someone. 
Then there's the song holding a 

1404
01:23:46,300 --> 01:23:48,400
gun. 
He says, darling, though. 

1405
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:52,500
You may pretend pretend that you
are selfless, you break with the

1406
01:23:52,500 --> 01:23:54,500
slightest. 
Bend it leaves, you lost and 

1407
01:23:54,500 --> 01:23:57,300
helpless. 
So to whom, will you place the 

1408
01:23:57,300 --> 01:23:59,400
call in the coldest night of 
winter? 

1409
01:23:59,700 --> 01:24:02,600
Because numbers change in 
people, fall and friends they 

1410
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:06,600
always Splinter. 
Okay, this is the last one from 

1411
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,800
the album and this one made me 
the most sad. 

1412
01:24:09,900 --> 01:24:13,500
It's actually kind of a Beat 
song but I don't know. 

1413
01:24:13,500 --> 01:24:15,400
I was getting so into this. 
Research. 

1414
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:19,300
I was like so immersed in it and
I've just been listening to the 

1415
01:24:19,300 --> 01:24:21,400
death cat like non-stop the past
couple weeks. 

1416
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:24,100
And there's one time I was 
listening to this song and I 

1417
01:24:24,100 --> 01:24:28,100
think feeling teary-eyed when I 
listened to it earlier today, 

1418
01:24:28,100 --> 01:24:31,200
and I didn't feel like quite as 
strong but I was really feeling 

1419
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:35,300
it. 
Um, so it's called El Dorado and

1420
01:24:35,300 --> 01:24:39,300
he sings seems you. 
Finally found finally found El 

1421
01:24:39,300 --> 01:24:43,800
Dorado which you know is like 
the city of gold or something? 

1422
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:45,900
Yes I can. 
Uncle Place, seems he finally 

1423
01:24:45,900 --> 01:24:50,300
found finally found Eldorado 
over in Culver City shining 

1424
01:24:50,300 --> 01:24:54,800
bright naming lights and I tried
to be kind for you all. 

1425
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:58,400
I'm trying to be kind for you. 
Oh, that's kind of like the main

1426
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:00,700
course. 
It's kind of like a party that 

1427
01:25:00,700 --> 01:25:03,600
you never wanted to attend, but 
when an invitation finally 

1428
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:07,400
arrives, you change your mind, 
and I tried to be kind for you. 

1429
01:25:07,700 --> 01:25:09,800
Oh, I'm trying to be kind for 
you. 

1430
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:13,900
As you slip away behind the 
Gates behind the Gates, CNG 

1431
01:25:13,900 --> 01:25:16,500
finally found. 
And finally found Eldorado. 

1432
01:25:17,900 --> 01:25:22,300
I wonder if he had an 
inferiority complex maybe Rising

1433
01:25:22,300 --> 01:25:26,300
Fame to not necessarily like he 
wanted to be that famous to but 

1434
01:25:26,300 --> 01:25:31,400
he worried that if the whole 
world loved her hmm that he 

1435
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:34,200
might lose her because she has 
so many options. 

1436
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:40,400
Not and I know and she did like 
a lot of people are in love with

1437
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:43,000
her. 
It's the part. 

1438
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:45,500
I don't know why it made me 
really sad the our time I tried 

1439
01:25:45,500 --> 01:25:47,700
to be kind for you. 
I'm trying to be kind for you. 

1440
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:51,500
I feel like that is such a 
realistic struggle. 

1441
01:25:51,500 --> 01:25:54,400
Yeah, it's so hard. 
It's so hard to be happy for 

1442
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:58,400
someone that broke your heart. 
Yeah, it's really hard. 

1443
01:25:59,500 --> 01:26:03,100
I don't think you necessarily 
have to be really. 

1444
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:07,200
I don't think so, if it's if 
it's like really that hard 

1445
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:10,800
because like I feel like 
sometimes there's like at least 

1446
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:14,500
temporarily. 
Hey, like a purpose like being 

1447
01:26:14,500 --> 01:26:16,200
angry with somebody. 
Yeah. 

1448
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:20,100
And I feel like it helps you 
move on kind of I feel like in a

1449
01:26:20,100 --> 01:26:24,700
lot of philosophical or 
spiritual things I've read and 

1450
01:26:24,700 --> 01:26:28,200
listen to the always talk about 
like, a pure love, being like, 

1451
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:34,200
You know, not spiteful or not 
jealous or like, you would be 

1452
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:36,600
happy for someone, you want 
someone to be happy, even if 

1453
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:39,300
you're not with them. 
And, like the purest love legs? 

1454
01:26:39,300 --> 01:26:42,300
I don't mean, doesn't have to 
benefit you, but I find it so 

1455
01:26:42,300 --> 01:26:45,200
hard. 
Like, if someone, someone has 

1456
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:47,600
broken my heart like to actually
be happy for them. 

1457
01:26:47,700 --> 01:26:51,100
Yeah. 
Well, I also feel like if you 

1458
01:26:51,100 --> 01:26:55,800
really try to have this pure 
love for them, it almost makes 

1459
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:59,600
it harder because then you'd be 
like this is not fair. 

1460
01:26:59,700 --> 01:27:03,100
Are that I'm not with the person
who I love so selflessly. 

1461
01:27:03,100 --> 01:27:04,900
Yeah, I guess that's a very 
selfish. 

1462
01:27:04,900 --> 01:27:07,800
Yeah, it's hard. 
I don't know if like, I don't 

1463
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:10,100
know. 
Is it possible as human on 

1464
01:27:10,100 --> 01:27:15,600
earth? 
Yeah, it's like, I don't know. 

1465
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:19,500
Like, I don't think it goes 
against like a natural like 

1466
01:27:19,500 --> 01:27:23,300
possessive. 
Yeah, Instinct that we have and 

1467
01:27:23,300 --> 01:27:25,400
like, I feel like, that's what 
he's saying, like, he's trying 

1468
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:29,600
to be kind, but he for her, but 
he can't. 

1469
01:27:29,700 --> 01:27:32,200
I think it's okay to accept that
you're not happy for something. 

1470
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:35,600
Thanks Mel. 
I don't know. 

1471
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:37,100
I know. 
I mean it is. 

1472
01:27:37,100 --> 01:27:39,200
Yeah, because it's being true to
yourself. 

1473
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:41,900
I feel like trying to be happy 
for them is like that's like 

1474
01:27:41,900 --> 01:27:45,200
giving it to them. 
It would feel very free though, 

1475
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:47,900
to, to not feel resentment 
anymore. 

1476
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,500
Yeah, exactly. 
But I don't think it's something

1477
01:27:50,500 --> 01:27:52,400
someone can accomplish right 
away. 

1478
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:56,300
Hmm. 
But if it's been years actually 

1479
01:27:56,300 --> 01:27:59,400
at this point has been yours for
you to, I don't know. 

1480
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:01,900
There's also this song aunjanue 
which I feel like could be about

1481
01:28:01,900 --> 01:28:03,500
her. 
It's very much about someone 

1482
01:28:03,500 --> 01:28:08,600
that like has Youth and Beauty. 
There's a line that's like the 

1483
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:14,500
currency of being 23. 
I mean, she was older than 23 

1484
01:28:14,500 --> 01:28:17,000
but like just how it won't last 
forever to. 

1485
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:20,100
Maybe it's not about her. 
It could be about like an old 

1486
01:28:20,100 --> 01:28:22,200
Hollywood Starlet or something. 
I don't know. 

1487
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:26,600
But yours Later, he reflected on
this album, talking about codes 

1488
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:30,800
and keys. 
And he said something about how 

1489
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:34,000
he wasn't playing guitar and it 
was physically altering his 

1490
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:37,500
playing and Ben said, yeah, I 
was physically altered. 

1491
01:28:37,500 --> 01:28:39,700
It wasn't writing. 
Almost any songs and guitar 

1492
01:28:39,700 --> 01:28:41,600
because I wasn't enjoying 
playing guitar. 

1493
01:28:42,100 --> 01:28:44,400
I was writing a lot on piano. 
I was writing a lot on the 

1494
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:48,100
computer and also I had these 
two cataclysmic shifts in my 

1495
01:28:48,100 --> 01:28:50,300
life of quitting drinking and 
falling in love. 

1496
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,100
Moving to Los Angeles and 
Marrying an actress. 

1497
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:56,400
Was an interesting chapter in my
life that I'm glad I experience.

1498
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:58,900
But for me, I realize that 
because of the company, I was 

1499
01:28:58,900 --> 01:29:01,800
keeping in Los Angeles as 
becoming very closed. 

1500
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:05,900
Off personally, found myself not
wanting to share as much of 

1501
01:29:05,907 --> 01:29:09,100
myself that had historically 
shirt on records, or at least 

1502
01:29:09,100 --> 01:29:11,900
the perception of which I'd 
shared on records because of who

1503
01:29:11,900 --> 01:29:14,900
I was and the fear of people 
connecting the dots in a way 

1504
01:29:14,900 --> 01:29:17,500
that would expose myself and 
then my wife to level of 

1505
01:29:17,500 --> 01:29:20,300
scrutiny that I felt. 
Come on comfortable with those 

1506
01:29:20,300 --> 01:29:22,800
about that was about Cozy Keys 
like happier. 

1507
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:26,600
Zoe. 
Album and she really liked never

1508
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:28,600
said, much about her divorce has
been. 

1509
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:32,000
Like, I feel like she hasn't 
opened up as much in a way. 

1510
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:35,600
She she just said something 
about how she wasn't focusing on

1511
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:39,000
dating. 
And she also did say back then 

1512
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:42,800
that she kids and stuff wasn't a
priority for her, it was more 

1513
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:45,900
her career. 
Um, so yeah, I don't know. 

1514
01:29:45,900 --> 01:29:49,100
I don't know if it's because he 
is like kind of a smaller star 

1515
01:29:49,100 --> 01:29:50,600
that he was able to open up 
more. 

1516
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:56,000
Yeah, yeah yeah. 
This is kind of random doesn't 

1517
01:29:56,000 --> 01:30:00,500
really pertain to Zoe but so I 
just I feel like Ben seems like 

1518
01:30:00,500 --> 01:30:06,800
such a sweetie like so I don't 
know like romantic romantic. 

1519
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:10,200
Yeah, that's not articulate. 
This is a podcast. 

1520
01:30:11,500 --> 01:30:16,500
He just seems sweet and I'm keep
thinking of her delicate with us

1521
01:30:16,500 --> 01:30:17,900
some right? 
Yeah. 

1522
01:30:18,500 --> 01:30:23,800
Thoughtful god-awful yeah. 
Yeah, he just seems a just seems

1523
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:26,100
like a gentleman most the time, 
really? 

1524
01:30:28,100 --> 01:30:28,900
Yeah. 
Gentle. 

1525
01:30:28,900 --> 01:30:34,100
But I saw a couple videos of him
that really intrigued me of him 

1526
01:30:34,100 --> 01:30:40,700
getting pissed during 
performances, when the sound 

1527
01:30:40,700 --> 01:30:43,700
wouldn't be good. 
Like, just literally the sound 

1528
01:30:43,700 --> 01:30:46,500
at the performance menu, or his 
guitar. 

1529
01:30:46,500 --> 01:30:50,700
Wouldn't be tuned, right? 
Which like is kind of the job of

1530
01:30:50,700 --> 01:30:53,900
the Roadies I guess. 
And there were literally a 

1531
01:30:53,907 --> 01:30:58,900
couple times when he threw his 
guitar across the stage G. 

1532
01:30:58,900 --> 01:31:03,500
And there's one time where the 
sound like wasn't working. 

1533
01:31:03,500 --> 01:31:04,500
It sounded bad. 
I guess. 

1534
01:31:04,500 --> 01:31:06,900
And he got so mad. 
He's like I'll do it. 

1535
01:31:06,900 --> 01:31:10,400
I'll just fucking do it. 
And then he like left the stage 

1536
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:13,900
and that's not a good look. 
Yeah especially on stage and I'm

1537
01:31:14,300 --> 01:31:15,600
like you can't control your 
temper. 

1538
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:19,400
I know. 
Is that the naughty thing? 

1539
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:21,900
You're going to? 
Yeah, I was shocked. 

1540
01:31:22,100 --> 01:31:25,700
Like he always mean in videos 
and things, he and his lyrics 

1541
01:31:25,700 --> 01:31:28,200
and everything he just seems so 
sweet. 

1542
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:33,200
Everything I know it's bad but 
it kind of thrilled me like I 

1543
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:36,700
just kind of feel like Edward 
and yeah I like getting mad 

1544
01:31:37,200 --> 01:31:40,400
because I just never see him 
like that so it was really 

1545
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:43,500
exciting but yeah I know it does
look like he has kind of a 

1546
01:31:43,508 --> 01:31:46,400
temper. 
Mmm, I can kind of understand 

1547
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:48,500
because like if there's 
thousands of people watching you

1548
01:31:48,500 --> 01:31:51,900
and you go to start the show and
it doesn't sound good. 

1549
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:52,600
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1550
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:54,600
Yeah. 
But he oh my gosh. 

1551
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:56,500
She like threw the guitar has 
happened. 

1552
01:31:56,500 --> 01:31:58,800
Several times? 
Yeah. 

1553
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:02,400
Is it in the immediate aftermath
of his divorce? 

1554
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:07,400
Or is it years later? 
It's it's over a long period of 

1555
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:08,200
time. 
Okay. 

1556
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:11,500
So it's a yeah, it's yeah, I 
don't know. 

1557
01:32:11,500 --> 01:32:13,500
What is wrong with their sound, 
though. 

1558
01:32:13,500 --> 01:32:17,200
Hmm. 
What's wrong with their Road? 

1559
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:19,900
He's not good or something. 
I don't, I don't get her. 

1560
01:32:19,900 --> 01:32:23,500
The sound guys. 
Just Don't get it together for 

1561
01:32:23,500 --> 01:32:24,900
deathcap. 
I don't know why they would 

1562
01:32:24,900 --> 01:32:27,600
always have sounded unless he's 
just really picky. 

1563
01:32:28,300 --> 01:32:29,600
Yeah. 
Let her know something that's 

1564
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:33,800
like kind of normal and industry
but he just throws a fit about. 

1565
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:38,900
I don't know. 
He did apologize for at least 

1566
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:42,400
one show I saw about. 
But yeah, and then there's 

1567
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:44,600
another time. 
People were fighting to, and he 

1568
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:46,900
like stormed off the stage, I 
don't know. 

1569
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:52,700
Yeah, that is interesting. 
Yeah, kind of of, I don't know 

1570
01:32:52,708 --> 01:32:55,000
if not, he's the right word but 
a little shocking. 

1571
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:58,800
Um, yeah. 
So as I said, Zoe dated 

1572
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:03,300
screenwriter Jamie Linden after 
been like, pretty soon after 

1573
01:33:03,300 --> 01:33:07,700
been for two years and then she 
dated Jacob pitch to Nick the 

1574
01:33:07,700 --> 01:33:12,100
film producer and in 2015, 
announced her engagement to him 

1575
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:16,200
and they married in June 2015 
and she gave birth of their 

1576
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:21,600
daughter, l sea otter, Oz, Q 
July 2015. 

1577
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:24,800
So And later so she's already 
like really pregnant when I 

1578
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:28,100
think of a here. 
Yeah and then they had a son 

1579
01:33:28,100 --> 01:33:31,100
Charlie wolf but she's two kids.
Two kids. 

1580
01:33:31,100 --> 01:33:36,800
Yeah. 
But her Jacob separated in 2019 

1581
01:33:38,100 --> 01:33:41,200
and she started dating of the 
Property Brother. 

1582
01:33:41,900 --> 01:33:45,300
Jonathan Scott very shortly 
after that too. 

1583
01:33:45,900 --> 01:33:50,400
Yeah, she moves on pretty 
quickly and does she does hmm. 

1584
01:33:50,900 --> 01:33:51,800
Now she's been with the 
property. 

1585
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:54,800
Brother for like, that's like 
three years now. 

1586
01:33:55,500 --> 01:33:57,800
Yeah, they met in 2019. 
Are they married? 

1587
01:33:58,100 --> 01:34:02,200
No, they're not. 
Yeah, but been remarried to. 

1588
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:06,000
He married in 2016. 
The photographer, Rachel Demi, 

1589
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:10,600
and this dummy. 
It's dmy and they seem happy 

1590
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:13,300
together. 
She, she actually takes a lot of

1591
01:34:13,300 --> 01:34:16,900
pictures of Death. 
Cab also bands, like Fleet, 

1592
01:34:16,900 --> 01:34:19,700
Foxes and st. 
Vincent, she's done some of 

1593
01:34:19,700 --> 01:34:24,400
Ben's album artwork and Used to 
be a booking agent in a promoter

1594
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,500
and a tour manager. 
So she's like in the music 

1595
01:34:26,500 --> 01:34:28,800
business and I listened to an 
interview with him and he's 

1596
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:33,100
talking about how his girlfriend
at the time. 

1597
01:34:33,100 --> 01:34:37,300
But now wife like she's used to 
touring and stuff and I don't 

1598
01:34:37,300 --> 01:34:40,200
know, it seems like a good match
like she seems really excited to

1599
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:45,200
be involved in Death Cab like 
she has a book about death cab 

1600
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:49,200
it's just like pictures of them 
and what's interesting also is 

1601
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:51,800
that she used to date the 
guitars. 

1602
01:34:51,900 --> 01:34:55,100
Is Chris Walla? 
Oh, left the band. 

1603
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:57,600
Oh, yeah. 
It's one of these women. 

1604
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:01,500
I know they're just fans of the 
band. 

1605
01:35:01,500 --> 01:35:03,300
Yeah. 
It's Monday anybody? 

1606
01:35:03,300 --> 01:35:04,700
Yeah. 
In this band. 

1607
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:07,900
I can't believe it. 
Like this is two instances of 

1608
01:35:08,700 --> 01:35:15,000
over double dip over Olga. 
Um, yeah, but I don't know. 

1609
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:19,400
I do think it's hard. 
I think for serious artists like

1610
01:35:19,700 --> 01:35:24,100
Benner, Zoe, I feel like one 
Person kind of needs to be like 

1611
01:35:24,100 --> 01:35:25,300
FrontRunner. 
Yeah. 

1612
01:35:25,300 --> 01:35:27,300
And the other part 1 has to be 
supportive. 

1613
01:35:27,300 --> 01:35:31,500
Yeah, I mean I think we do this 
a lot, not just with them, like,

1614
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:36,300
with really big actors and stuff
and I do think you need to, 

1615
01:35:36,300 --> 01:35:37,600
like, complement each other 
like, Rachel. 

1616
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:40,200
Jamie still is an artist but 
like, she's a photographer. 

1617
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:44,400
So yeah, you know. 
Doesn't really conflict. 

1618
01:35:44,500 --> 01:35:47,300
Yeah, I mean, even with like 
artists are going on tour. 

1619
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:51,000
How do you balance that? 
If someone has a film shoot, 

1620
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:54,400
yeah, you know, TV show that 
they're doing, yeah, where she 

1621
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:57,800
goes on tour with him. 
Just logistically doesn't. 

1622
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:02,700
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
And then since since those like 

1623
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:05,300
Zoe albums, they've death cabs 
had two albums. 

1624
01:36:05,300 --> 01:36:09,000
Since then, they had the album 
thank you for today which some 

1625
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:11,900
lyrics could be about. 
Zoe but I know it has been a 

1626
01:36:11,907 --> 01:36:14,700
while so I don't if it's a 
stretch but like there's one 

1627
01:36:14,900 --> 01:36:20,900
song called Summer years. 
Oh, and he sings As you're 

1628
01:36:20,900 --> 01:36:23,800
standing. 
Still in my mind, fading out 

1629
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:27,100
waving, goodbye. 
I wonder where you are tonight. 

1630
01:36:27,100 --> 01:36:32,400
If the one you're with was a 
compromise, oh, which sounds a 

1631
01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:36,500
little Scandal but like, it 
could be possible because it 

1632
01:36:36,508 --> 01:36:40,700
seems like her and Jacob pet 
Janek. 

1633
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:42,400
I know this is really gossip 
about you. 

1634
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:47,700
Gossipy of me. 
But they, you know, got married 

1635
01:36:47,700 --> 01:36:49,200
like a month before they had a 
kid. 

1636
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:51,300
Like yeah, I don't know if she 
had previously said that she 

1637
01:36:51,300 --> 01:36:53,400
didn't really care about having 
kids. 

1638
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:56,400
I don't know. 
I'd yeah, maybe not. 

1639
01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:57,800
And then he has a song in the 
album. 

1640
01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:02,200
I dreamt, we spoke again which I
love this song and he says, I 

1641
01:37:02,208 --> 01:37:03,500
don't. 
We spoke again. 

1642
01:37:03,500 --> 01:37:05,800
It had been so long. 
It had been so long. 

1643
01:37:06,300 --> 01:37:09,000
My mind filled in the blanks. 
I dreamt, we spoke again. 

1644
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:11,600
It had been so long. 
Your voice was like a ghost in 

1645
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,800
my head. 
Very sad. 

1646
01:37:13,900 --> 01:37:17,200
It could be about anybody. 
Yeah I like to imagine it's 

1647
01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:22,600
about Zoe yeah I think that 
deathcap is still doing great. 

1648
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:25,200
They've been a band for like 
more than 20 years and I think 

1649
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:30,900
they're still doing awesome so 
if she and him has had new music

1650
01:37:30,900 --> 01:37:33,900
since then but they've just been
doing like a lot of covers. 

1651
01:37:33,900 --> 01:37:35,500
Nothing. 
Really new feeling anything. 

1652
01:37:35,500 --> 01:37:40,500
Yeah and yes of Ben's married to
Rachel dami, Zoey's dating a 

1653
01:37:40,500 --> 01:37:45,000
property brother and has two 
kids Kids and that's life now 

1654
01:37:45,200 --> 01:37:48,100
and that's Ben Gibbard and Zooey
Deschanel. 

1655
01:37:48,200 --> 01:37:49,500
Wow! 
Likelihood. 

1656
01:37:49,500 --> 01:37:55,400
That they'll get back together. 
I think pretty slim. 

1657
01:37:55,400 --> 01:37:59,300
Yeah, it's not like completely 
out of the question. 

1658
01:37:59,500 --> 01:38:04,700
He's married. 
We're gonna say new girls over. 

1659
01:38:04,700 --> 01:38:06,600
Yeah. 
I don't know what she's like 

1660
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:10,600
acting in recently. 
She's still doing a lot of film 

1661
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:14,400
projects, you don't think 
really, we look up her. 

1662
01:38:14,500 --> 01:38:17,600
I'm DV, I didn't put it because 
I was like, you know what, it's 

1663
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:22,700
not part of their relationship, 
but She's been a bit quiet in 

1664
01:38:22,700 --> 01:38:26,300
recent years. 
I feel like she had so much 

1665
01:38:26,300 --> 01:38:31,300
success with new girl. 
Mmm, it's kind of hard to Do 

1666
01:38:31,300 --> 01:38:33,500
something else? 
Yeah. 

1667
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:36,000
To that. 
She was in trolls. 

1668
01:38:36,100 --> 01:38:40,200
Oh, trolls to. 
Yeah, she's in she's in 

1669
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:42,300
something. 
How dream and wild? 

1670
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:46,700
I don't know what that is. 
Oh, I'm coming Harold and the 

1671
01:38:46,700 --> 01:38:49,700
Purple Crayon. 
Sounds like she's doing a lot of

1672
01:38:49,700 --> 01:38:52,900
kids stuff. 
Yeah, that kind of Suits her. 

1673
01:38:54,300 --> 01:38:56,300
Yeah. 
It is she has such a like 

1674
01:38:56,300 --> 01:38:57,800
playful energy. 
Yeah. 

1675
01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:01,000
I mean in new girl I think 
because I know her most of her 

1676
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:02,600
new girls. 
Yeah I think of her as a 

1677
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:05,700
character and that where she's 
an elementary school teacher, 

1678
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:09,300
she's arts and crafts. 
Yeah. 

1679
01:39:09,300 --> 01:39:13,600
And she has said that, she's not
that different from Jess. 

1680
01:39:13,700 --> 01:39:16,600
I mean, she said that their 
personalities aren't exactly the

1681
01:39:16,608 --> 01:39:19,700
same, but they do have a lot of 
shared interest, you like baking

1682
01:39:19,700 --> 01:39:21,900
and things like that. 
Yeah, I don't know. 

1683
01:39:23,900 --> 01:39:26,800
It seems like they kind of were 
inspired by Zooey Deschanel with

1684
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:29,500
that character. 
Yeah, that happens a lot. 

1685
01:39:29,500 --> 01:39:32,300
Yeah. 
She's like, a delicate little 

1686
01:39:32,300 --> 01:39:38,300
like flower delicate Little 
Flower, but feisty toe. 

1687
01:39:38,500 --> 01:39:42,200
Yeah, she is, she is, I know, I 
feel like she isn't totally just

1688
01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:45,500
like this complacent. 
No person, you know, she has a 

1689
01:39:45,508 --> 01:39:48,700
lot of like strengthen her 
femininity like I should does 

1690
01:39:48,700 --> 01:39:53,300
that show kind of like changed 
suddenly we've talked about this

1691
01:39:53,300 --> 01:39:54,600
in the trailer park. 
That's what everyone was 

1692
01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:56,200
obsessed with like the strong 
feet. 

1693
01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:58,200
Like yay. 
And they'll character and they 

1694
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:00,600
were always like kind of 
masculine in nature. 

1695
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:03,400
Hmm. 
And then I feel like with new 

1696
01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:07,200
girl Jesse's character, people 
started to realize that like you

1697
01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:11,100
can still be stereotypically 
feminine. 

1698
01:40:11,100 --> 01:40:16,700
Yeah like a strong lead. 
Yeah, you know I like to think 

1699
01:40:16,700 --> 01:40:21,100
so. 
That's basically it and I made a

1700
01:40:21,108 --> 01:40:23,800
playlist it's going to be on 
Spotify and Apple. 

1701
01:40:23,900 --> 01:40:26,000
Music, with all these songs. 
If you guys want to listen to 

1702
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:28,300
it. 
Yeah, link it in the description

1703
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:36,100
and what was inside. 
I don't know how old is he now. 

1704
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:42,400
He is applying his 40s. 
I think if she's 42 he's 

1705
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:46,700
probably 46. 
Have there been no known 

1706
01:40:46,700 --> 01:40:49,300
interactions since then not that
I know of. 

1707
01:40:49,300 --> 01:40:51,900
Yeah, he's 46. 
All my favorite. 

1708
01:40:51,900 --> 01:40:56,800
Musicians are guys in their 40s.
Yeah, I swear to God. 

1709
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:06,100
Yeah, then he's, he has a 
different look now, he's usually

1710
01:41:06,100 --> 01:41:10,900
always had the long, yes, sort 
of emo hair, but recently, he's 

1711
01:41:10,900 --> 01:41:13,200
been wearing. 
It kind of like, combed back so 

1712
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:14,800
different. 
I think he looks good. 

1713
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:18,600
He's looking good now. 
I think his recent years is 

1714
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:19,900
we've almost been better than 
ever. 

1715
01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:23,500
He's a big Runner, I guess. 
Yeah, that's so cute that he 

1716
01:41:23,500 --> 01:41:28,600
joined, just love that. 
Yeah. 

1717
01:41:29,700 --> 01:41:33,200
And I don't think I do. 
I know your next episodes on. 

1718
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:35,500
No, I don't think so. 
I don't know. 

1719
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:40,300
Wait, he's okay. 
And like, I want to try to, I 

1720
01:41:40,308 --> 01:41:43,100
was gonna see. 
If you're gonna ask me that. 

1721
01:41:43,100 --> 01:41:46,600
If I didn't tell you, I know, I 
really like the episodes are 

1722
01:41:46,600 --> 01:41:48,900
just moving, so I know they are,
they are? 

1723
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:53,100
Yeah, I was, I was kind of 
overwhelmed because we had the 

1724
01:41:53,100 --> 01:41:56,500
Jane Austen episode coming out. 
And I was really, really, really

1725
01:41:56,500 --> 01:41:59,300
heavily researching this 
episode. 

1726
01:41:59,300 --> 01:42:03,100
But at the, Same time I was 
editing the Miele one and then 

1727
01:42:03,100 --> 01:42:09,200
the Eminem. 
Yeah and yeah so many different 

1728
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:12,400
episodes of Whirlwind. 
Oh one of our listeners, I feel 

1729
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:13,900
bad. 
I don't remember who now but one

1730
01:42:13,900 --> 01:42:16,600
of our listeners suggested, 
remember how I was trying to 

1731
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:19,000
make what luck Wednesday 
happened. 

1732
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:23,300
Yeah, she suggested, what if we 
did Whirlwind Wednesday? 

1733
01:42:23,300 --> 01:42:27,700
Love that because that's kind of
a romantic term Whirlwind 

1734
01:42:27,700 --> 01:42:31,700
Romance. 
I need to figure out who said 

1735
01:42:31,700 --> 01:42:35,000
that I feel bad. 
I didn't write it down. 

1736
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:37,900
Yeah. 
Yeah you know it was a whirlwind

1737
01:42:37,900 --> 01:42:42,500
Wednesday Today is it Wednesday?
It is Wednesday. 

1738
01:42:42,500 --> 01:42:48,300
Yeah. 
So next episode guys and Mel Mel

1739
01:42:48,300 --> 01:42:54,100
doesn't know what it is. 
Next episode is about two 

1740
01:42:54,100 --> 01:42:59,100
actors. 
When they were young, and they 

1741
01:42:59,100 --> 01:43:04,700
were engaged in the 90s. 
I know I've done one that sounds

1742
01:43:04,700 --> 01:43:06,500
like that, but yeah, but it's 
not the same thing. 

1743
01:43:09,700 --> 01:43:10,500
It's all. 
I should say. 

1744
01:43:10,500 --> 01:43:17,500
She's getting one more head. 
One of them is what I like my 

1745
01:43:17,500 --> 01:43:25,800
favorite, actors, Timothy. 
Showalter was a baby. 

1746
01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:29,600
I would love to cover to me to 
show me, but I don't think he's 

1747
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:31,300
been in any interesting 
relationships. 

1748
01:43:31,300 --> 01:43:35,400
I've said that before mmm-hmm. 
Oh, you know what? 

1749
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:38,700
One more hint. 
I don't want to keep this in the

1750
01:43:38,700 --> 01:43:39,900
episode. 
I'm going to cut it because it's

1751
01:43:39,900 --> 01:43:45,400
going to give it away. 
What he dated the daughter of 

1752
01:43:45,400 --> 01:43:50,500
one of these people. 
Supposedly, he's in her. 

1753
01:43:51,700 --> 01:43:55,300
Oh, I know who you're talking 
about, that's all I'll say. 

1754
01:43:55,300 --> 01:44:00,000
But exactly who you're talking 
to, you know, the other person 

1755
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:02,300
to okay. 
Okay. 

1756
01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:05,300
Mmm. 
Yeah. 

1757
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:07,600
Okay. 
I'm gonna cut that out. 

1758
01:44:07,700 --> 01:44:10,700
But thank you guys so much for 
listening. 

1759
01:44:11,300 --> 01:44:14,900
No, we've been doing actually. 
Why is it was it was too hard 

1760
01:44:14,900 --> 01:44:16,100
with okay? 
Okay, okay. 

1761
01:44:16,100 --> 01:44:19,300
It's kind of interesting to get 
the perspective of like, knowing

1762
01:44:19,500 --> 01:44:21,600
the hint beforehand. 
Yeah. 

1763
01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:24,100
How it comes across to the 
actual audience. 

1764
01:44:24,100 --> 01:44:26,700
Yeah. 
Usually we now so it's like, oh,

1765
01:44:26,700 --> 01:44:28,800
that's right. 
It's not. 

1766
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:31,400
Yeah, it sounded really similar 
to Brad Pitt and going and 

1767
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:37,200
that's true but I'm doing it. 
I didn't do it just as the first

1768
01:44:37,200 --> 01:44:41,700
time I got it. 
Peppa fucking weird. 

1769
01:44:43,300 --> 01:44:45,500
Let me do that. 
Actually wait one more thing 

1770
01:44:45,500 --> 01:44:48,100
before we sign off. 
I just I meant to in the 

1771
01:44:48,100 --> 01:44:50,400
beginning, make a joke about how
this is going to be really long 

1772
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:54,000
and I was gonna have to do it in
many parts, but I didn't say it.

1773
01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:59,200
Um, but Mel and I were talking 
about possibly doing some 2pi 

1774
01:44:59,200 --> 01:45:00,900
episodes in the future. 
Yeah. 

1775
01:45:00,900 --> 01:45:02,000
Would you guys like that? 
Yeah. 

1776
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:04,000
What do you some of these 
episodes? 

1777
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:07,100
I I think deserve to be two 
parts. 

1778
01:45:07,100 --> 01:45:08,900
Yeah. 
Really what like, let's say, 

1779
01:45:08,900 --> 01:45:11,500
ever did Queen Elizabeth 
princess? 

1780
01:45:11,500 --> 01:45:15,700
Yeah, Philip that is like, what?
Like six years? 

1781
01:45:15,700 --> 01:45:17,500
I know. 
I wish I did that for Charles 

1782
01:45:17,500 --> 01:45:18,800
and Camilla. 
I think. 

1783
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:22,300
Originally I wanted it to just 
be tied up in a bow in one 

1784
01:45:22,300 --> 01:45:25,000
episode. 
I don't think we'll do it to 

1785
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:27,000
off. 
I think that's my goal. 

1786
01:45:27,100 --> 01:45:29,200
Yeah. 
It's a still have one episode 

1787
01:45:29,500 --> 01:45:32,400
for it, but if it just feels 
like it can't be condensed. 

1788
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:35,200
I feel like to would be the max 
though. 

1789
01:45:35,200 --> 01:45:37,700
I don't think we would do like 
you know, three or four. 

1790
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:41,000
I mean we do the Robson wanted 
to episode. 

1791
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:42,900
Yeah that's true. 
That's true. 

1792
01:45:43,500 --> 01:45:45,200
Well okay. 
Thank you guys so much for was 

1793
01:45:45,200 --> 01:45:49,600
Neil of you. 
Next week. 

1794
01:45:49,200 --> 01:45:49,600
Next week.