1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:07,560 Are you lonesome tonight? Do you miss me tonight? 2 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:19,440 Are you sorry? Hi, everybody. 3 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:24,640 We are back for another episode of Significant Lovers. 4 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,800 Thanks for joining us. Yeah, we are not the lovers. 5 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:34,560 We are the cousins. I am Mel and I'm Kel. 6 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,360 This is a podcast about true love. 7 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,400 I want to say before we get into the episode, this episode is 8 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,680 coming out in May. This summer, starting in June, 9 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,760 we're going to be going on a little break for two months. 10 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:52,760 Yep, just for the summer. You know, rest, refresh, get our 11 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,360 juices flowing. What couples we want to cover 12 00:00:55,360 --> 00:01:00,000 next in Season 3? 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Unfortunately, nobody can 23 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,640 subscribe because Patreon is like, I don't know. 24 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,440 Yeah. For some reason when we pause 25 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,440 payments, new people cannot subscribe. 26 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:52,800 So before June we we have until June people to sign up if you 27 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,480 want to. Yeah, yeah, and otherwise 28 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,920 already signed up till August. If you're already signed up, 29 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,080 don't go anywhere. You don't have to do anything. 30 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:09,479 But if you want to sign up, you have until June 1st to do so, or 31 00:02:09,479 --> 00:02:10,720 you'll have to wait until August. 32 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:12,880 I think that was well said. I hope that makes sense. 33 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,720 So, yeah, and you know, we have a lot of good couples on our 34 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,080 Patreon. We do Brad Pitt and Angelina 35 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:27,160 Jolie, Pete Davidson and Ariana Grande, Phoebe Bridgers and Paul 36 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:32,400 Mescal, Drake and Rihanna. I'm trying to think. 37 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,840 I know. I'm trying to blank some of 38 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:35,880 them. I can't remember if they're 39 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:41,840 Patreon or me too. Miley Cyrus and Nick Jonas. 40 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:47,760 Yes, I thought you were going to say Mick Jagger, Miranda 41 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:52,320 Lambert, Blake Shelton. So many half of our episodes. 42 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:58,640 Yeah, and a lot of good ones. But today's episode is a more 43 00:02:58,640 --> 00:03:03,320 historical episode. It is a story of forbidden 44 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,880 romance. Oh, the most exciting kind. 45 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:12,000 I know, and we're talking about the royal family today. 46 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,640 I was very much inspired. I've been rewatching The Crown 47 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,800 and was super inspired to learn more about this couple because 48 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:24,080 they're only touched upon briefly in season one and that 49 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,360 is Prince Edward the 8th, briefly known as King Edward the 50 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,600 8th and Wallace Simpson. Wow. 51 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:38,240 That is such a never mind. I don't want what you mean. 52 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,200 Unique first name? Unique first name? 53 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:46,000 Yeah, for. But the three words I would use 54 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,240 to describe this couple would be forbidden, Obviously indulgent 55 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,680 and selfish. Oh, sounds like Elizabeth 56 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,800 Taylor. Yeah, no, we're talking about 57 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,880 people who cannot control themselves. 58 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:06,120 Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. I wanted us to cover them, so 59 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,120 I'm happy. With that, it's there's a lot to 60 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,240 it and I feel like there's some very common narratives about 61 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:15,400 them. But when you look under the 62 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:21,160 surface, like, it's like, I don't know, but yeah, so who 63 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:26,040 were they? Edward the 8th is also known as 64 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,120 Edward. Albert Christian. 65 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:29,120 George. Andrew. 66 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:34,160 Patrick David. Wow, OK, like we got a little 67 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,320 bit of everything. In there how many names is that? 68 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,600 123-4567 names. Oh my gosh. 69 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,000 I know I was like, looking at it, I was like literally three 70 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,640 of these names. Actually only two are like 71 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,600 cousin names, but like how many names do you have people in your 72 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,400 family? And there's one name you know, 73 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,560 but so Edward, Albert Christian, George Andrew, Patrick. 74 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:02,080 David was born June 23rd, 1894 as the heir to the United 75 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:06,720 Kingdom for the royal throne. He was the great grandson of 76 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,520 Queen Victoria, the reigning monarch at the time, and was 77 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,160 third in line for the throne after his father George, the 78 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,080 fifth Duke of York, and his grandfather Edward, the 7th 79 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:22,480 Prince of Wales at the time. And his mother Mary was the 80 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:26,160 daughter of Queen Victoria's first cousin, the Princess of 81 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:31,400 Cambridge and her husband, which would make her like cousins with 82 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,960 his dad, like cousins twice or three times removed. 83 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:40,080 So it's like far enough away that, I mean, I still wouldn't 84 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,040 do it, but it's like it was normal for the family. 85 00:05:43,840 --> 00:05:45,240 I still wouldn't do it, but yeah. 86 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,440 But they're not first cousins, So Edward was the oldest of six 87 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,880 children, and they were apparently all spoiled by their 88 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,720 grandfather Edward the 7th. And they had a really good 89 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,560 relationship with their grandfather. 90 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,520 Like our Prince Charles episode, this was an early episode. 91 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,120 We covered Charles and Camilla, another forbidden romance. 92 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,040 Check it out if you're interested. 93 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:14,120 Like Prince Charles, Edward was raised by nannies most of the 94 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,040 time by his parents, especially his father, were pretty 95 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,480 affectionate when they were around, but they were often off 96 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,840 on royal duties and at that time they just didn't see the 97 00:06:24,840 --> 00:06:26,920 caretaking as their responsibility. 98 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,360 Sounds like Charles, yeah. And so, like, you have to wonder 99 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:35,720 what that does to a child to not get that affection that much 100 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,800 when you're young by your parents, who are supposed to be 101 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,040 the people who are taking care of you. 102 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,160 And probably not knowing when you'll see your parents next. 103 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,880 I mean, I'm sure there's exactly in calendars and schedules, but 104 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:50,240 I don't know. I feel like that would be 105 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:54,320 unpredictable for a kid. And as we know from psychology, 106 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,400 the way your relationships with your parents heavily influence 107 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:03,120 your romantic relationships later on, so we always got to 108 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,320 keep that in mind when it comes to these couples. 109 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:11,600 That's why we start before they meet exactly what happened to 110 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:17,000 them. So, Edward, it's just so nice to 111 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:21,040 say that name, isn't it, Edward? You know what I didn't really 112 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:22,840 realize? Maybe this is silly of me, but I 113 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,800 didn't realize that Edward is such an old name, like a 114 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,920 medieval name. I know he stood the test of 115 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,000 time. I wonder if I would name my son 116 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,520 Edward after Twilight. I think I would. 117 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,440 It's a. Very regal sounding name. 118 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,080 Edward. You know, handsome. 119 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:47,240 Honestly, I think I will. Do it, Edward. 120 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,680 He You know, I never really. Guys this is because of Twilight 121 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,600 obviously. We used to host a Twilight 122 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,920 podcast, in case you didn't know, another bite of Twilight, 123 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,640 yeah. Yeah, it has nothing to do with 124 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,240 Edward the 8th. He was homeschooled by tutors 125 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,200 and when he was six years old, his grandmother or his great 126 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,360 grandmother Queen Victoria died and he was essentially placed 127 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,440 under the care of two tutors at the time, two men named 128 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,240 Frederick and Henry, and his school schedule was very 129 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:19,240 aggressive and very strict. And then he started the Navy 130 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:24,560 training at a college at age 13. And college, I think, is like 131 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,640 what they call high school over there to prepare to enter the 132 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,520 Royal Navy. Apparently he wasn't the best 133 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,480 student at school, though, and kids would often tease him for 134 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,320 being a Prince, which is also similar to Prince Charles. 135 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,680 Does no one care? He's going to rule you someday. 136 00:08:44,680 --> 00:08:47,880 Like, I know. I think they just wanted to 137 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,880 knock him down a peg or a couple pegs, but it is. 138 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,360 Strange. I don't think that would have 139 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,280 happened in my hometown. I think everybody, everybody 140 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:58,800 would have been sucking up to him. 141 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,640 I know. So when Edward was 15, his 142 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:06,720 grandfather died and his father ascended the throne and Edward 143 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,520 then automatically became the Duke of Cornwall. 144 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,200 And then on his 16th birthday he was made the Prince of Wales in 145 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,000 Earl of Chester. So he's like Prince William 146 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,520 basically. And now that he's first in line 147 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,640 for the throne as a teenager, he left the naval training to begin 148 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,760 preparing to become a future king. 149 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,280 So this involved him going to like college, but then he 150 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,640 dropped out because he wasn't a really good student, and during 151 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:38,640 his crowning ceremony, he had to wear the Imperial Mantle robe. 152 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,800 And this is where he first starts seeing that he's just 153 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,680 like not really into the whole royal thing. 154 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:48,000 He was really embarrassed to wear the robe. 155 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,520 He thought that his friends at the Navy Academy would make fun 156 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,680 of him, which is like. Guys, he's the Prince of 157 00:09:55,680 --> 00:09:59,520 England. Why do you care? 158 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,400 Wow. It's just shows anybody can be 159 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,040 insecure. Yes, seriously. 160 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,560 And he just started to feel really unsettled and nervous 161 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:09,840 about becoming the king and seemed uncomfortable by the 162 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,920 expectations placed on him. And while he wanted to join the 163 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:17,360 Navy, his father instead made him attend Oxford. 164 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,440 As he said, he started going to college and he just wasn't good 165 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,800 in school and he never got his degree. 166 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,800 And after that, he joined the British Army in order to serve 167 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,720 in World War 1. And he was really eager to fight 168 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,360 on the front lines, but Palace wouldn't allow it. 169 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,280 So he just kind of like Met people, shook their hands. 170 00:10:35,560 --> 00:10:38,680 He was there for moral support, which the soldiers really 171 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:40,920 appreciated. So he's really popular among 172 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:42,720 veterans. That's nice. 173 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,040 Yeah, that's nice. I will say one thing that makes 174 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:50,560 me wonder about his character. When he was 24 years old, 175 00:10:50,560 --> 00:10:54,200 Edward's youngest youngest brother John died of a severe 176 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:59,400 epileptic seizure at just thirteen years old, and Edward 177 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:03,160 was extremely insensitive about his brother's death death 178 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,880 writing in a letter to a mistress at the time. 179 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,640 John's been practically shut up for the last two years anyhow, 180 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,600 so no one has ever seen him except the family, and then only 181 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,760 once or twice a year. This poor boy had become more of 182 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,160 an animal than anything else, and he called his brother's 183 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,320 death a little more than a regrettable nuisance which. 184 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,960 Oh my gosh. Dude, like that makes me really 185 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,080 question his character. Before the nuisance thing, I 186 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:34,160 wondered if maybe he was just being factual and saying, you 187 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,600 know, like nobody really cared about him, but then next say 188 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,160 that his death is a nuisance. What the heck? 189 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:42,480 I know. Seriously. 190 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,120 That's so sad. Makes him seem like he's really 191 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,960 cold and insensitive. And then apparently he also 192 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,320 wrote something really insensitive in a letter to his 193 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,920 mom about his brother's death. We don't know what he said. 194 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,120 The letter was lost and it seems like she never responded. 195 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,800 But we do know he must have said something because he wrote a 196 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,200 follow up letter that says I feel like such a cold hearted 197 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,120 and unsympathetic swine for writing all that I did. 198 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:09,880 No one can realize more than you how little poor Johnny meant to 199 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,960 me who hardly knew him. I feel so much for you darling 200 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:15,480 Mama. Who was my mother? 201 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,640 Who was his mother of even seriously? 202 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,080 Just write that in your journal. Why do you? 203 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,600 Why do you have to tell that to your mother so? 204 00:12:24,680 --> 00:12:27,960 He here, he's like apologizing. He's like saying like I feel 205 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,560 like such a cold hearted swine for writing all that I did. 206 00:12:32,560 --> 00:12:36,120 He's like saying, oh, Johnny meant a lot to me, even though I 207 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,920 hardly knew him. OK, what did you write to your 208 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:40,440 mom? Like, why did you write a long 209 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,160 letter? Like saying something bad about 210 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:46,040 the boy her own child passed away? 211 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,520 Like that's just weird to me. That is strange. 212 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:53,600 So makes me wonder about him. But after the four, Edward did a 213 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,120 lot of travelling on the behalf of the royal family and his 214 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,400 single status made him a bit of a heartthrob at the time. 215 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,880 The 1920s was definitely the height of his popularity and he 216 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,520 at that point was actually the most photographed celebrity in 217 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,880 the whole world. He was particularly really liked 218 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,920 by Americans who saw him as a style icon, and he loved 219 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,240 Americans back. He was getting really into 220 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,320 American culture and American fashion would have clothes 221 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,240 shipped to him overseas and he would practice speaking in an 222 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:25,720 American accent. What? 223 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:30,720 No way. I I do like the accents from the 224 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,600 20s. Yeah, I know. 225 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,760 Yeah. It's not like our dialect now. 226 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:40,720 I've never heard of an American. I mean an English person wanting 227 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:45,480 an American accent. No, but he was seen as more of a 228 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,120 Hollywood celebrity than a traditional monarch. 229 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,840 He was frequently talked about in the press, especially about 230 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,120 different flinks that he was having with different women, 231 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:59,960 especially married women, which his family really wasn't happy 232 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:02,400 about. What is up with that? 233 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,800 I know, I think like it must be something about he likes the 234 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:11,280 chase. He likes what is unattainable to 235 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,680 him. Why do people go after people 236 00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:16,960 who are in relationships? I mean more than once. 237 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,600 More than once. I feel like if it happens once, 238 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,920 it might be because you think like this is just such a special 239 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:28,120 connection and but if it happens repeatedly, I think that's 240 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,600 because there's some type of power gain there that you're 241 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,200 chasing. Yeah, it's weird. 242 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,320 Like we're even meeting all these married women. 243 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,840 Like, aren't you going to bars with single women? 244 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,800 I don't know, it's just strange. So true. 245 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,920 It seems like he was doing it habitually too, also, just like 246 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,960 out in the open, like he would just, like go to events with a 247 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,280 wife of somebody and it's like, OK, what does the husband think? 248 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:58,160 OK, so yeah, in the early in his early 20s, he was spending a lot 249 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:02,800 of time partying in Paris, and he had a romance with a French 250 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,400 sex worker named Marguerite Albert. 251 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,560 And he broke it off with her after a year. 252 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,760 And then around five years later, she was charged with 253 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:16,040 murder and then acquitted. But she apparently had fatally 254 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,520 shot her husband. Maybe it must have been 255 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,360 self-defense if she was acquitted, but the royal family 256 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,320 desperately tried to make sure that the papers didn't mention 257 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,040 Edward in association with this case at all. 258 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,280 But it just goes to show like he's like really causing 259 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,560 problems for the royal family. Like they haven't had a guy like 260 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,520 this. And his parents, they were 261 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,440 raised in the Victorian era, so they have like, very strict, 262 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:46,960 like pious prude values. This would be shocking. 263 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,960 I mean it's it's shocking regardless, I think, to be 264 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,400 connected to something like that. 265 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,800 But wow, yeah. It's so interesting though, 266 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,440 because I feel like history is always repeating itself because 267 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,880 same with Harry, like he was such a party boy and everyone's 268 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,720 acting like it's like so new to the royal family. 269 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,360 It's, you know, every generation has some type of rebel. 270 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,120 It's true, I think. I think there always have been 271 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,960 people like that. That same year, Edward was also 272 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,080 involved with a British socialite named Rosemary, and he 273 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,080 actually even proposed to to her. 274 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,680 However, he broke it off with her because his family, the 275 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,040 royal family, didn't like some of her relatives. 276 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,200 Oh, which is interesting. Later on, his family won't like 277 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:35,320 the woman that he's with and he doesn't let that stop him. 278 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,840 But here he's like, OK, you guys get your way. 279 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,200 I wonder. I don't know if that was hard 280 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,080 for him or not. I know, I wonder. 281 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,960 It could be this time. Maybe he wasn't ready to get 282 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,640 married anyway, or he wasn't really that sure wasn't that 283 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,960 serious. Or maybe the second time, he's 284 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:51,600 like you already did this to me once. 285 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,720 Fuck you. But see, she was a socialite and 286 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,480 like not married and not divorced. 287 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,040 The family probably is like we should have just let him marry 288 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,040 her. I know. 289 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,000 Could have saved us all this embarrassment. 290 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,880 And yeah, his relationship with his parents really wasn't good. 291 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:17,400 He had other mistresses which really concerned his father and 292 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,680 also the Prime Minister, Stanley Baldwin. 293 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,839 It was. The Prime Minister Why does he 294 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:25,359 care? The Prime Minister was, like, 295 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,560 really concerned with Edwards. I guess it reflects poorly on 296 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,360 the country that's. True. 297 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:32,520 It was. Yeah, it does. 298 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,560 And like, 'cause like you said, with the Charles episodes, like 299 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,040 if people start to lose faith in the royal family, then like, the 300 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:44,280 whole monarchy is at risk. And I guess like the Prime 301 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:48,880 Minister, like, maybe that that's not a huge loss for them. 302 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:53,360 But I mean, maybe it is, 'cause it's like it has to do with the 303 00:17:53,360 --> 00:17:56,880 strength of the country And you know, people are concerned, like 304 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,880 how committed is he to the country when he's partying all 305 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:03,320 the time and right, always leaving someone else's bed. 306 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:11,920 Womanizer he is a. Womanizer, apparently, George, 307 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,400 his dad the king, said. After I am dead, the boy will 308 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,640 ruin himself in 12 months. Oh, wow. 309 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:23,720 He also apparently hoped to God that Edward would never marry 310 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,840 and have kids so that nothing would come between Edward's 311 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,320 brother Albert and his daughter Elizabeth, who we know as Queen 312 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:34,640 Elizabeth inheriting the throne. So he really preferred oh 313 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:39,840 Albert, who later actually became known as King George the 314 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,960 6th. But which is weird because they 315 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,120 also had a brother named George. So like when he became king, he 316 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:48,200 like changed his name to George. It's so confusing. 317 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,200 That's his brother's name. I don't know why he couldn't 318 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,160 have just been King Albert. I'm not. 319 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:55,600 I don't know why. They're, like, weird about 320 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,560 names. But King George, Edward's dad, 321 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,880 was super worried about this. I feel like it like kept him up 322 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,440 at night. And I would describe Edward. 323 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,800 He was not really an intellectual, but he was very 324 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,720 quick witted and charming. It seems like he was a thrill 325 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,960 seeker. He loved racing horses and 326 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,960 flying planes. He was literally a short king. 327 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:23,320 He was only 5-7 taller than Eddie Fisher. 328 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,240 True. Wait, how old? 329 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,680 How tall was he again? I think he was 55. 330 00:19:28,120 --> 00:19:32,600 Wow. Yeah, it's all in comparison. 331 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,760 People were shorter back then. I guess not. 332 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,920 That's not that far back, but I don't. 333 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,240 Know. I think it depends where, and 334 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,360 that wasn't even that long ago. True. 335 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:47,520 Maybe. I think people were shorter, 336 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,200 like 1000 years ago. He's been described as reckless, 337 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:57,240 rebellious, the People's Prince, brave, but also cold and deeply 338 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:58,560 disturbed. Oh. 339 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,840 So deeply disturbed. Yeah. 340 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:03,960 Just lying that slide, that one in at the end, yeah. 341 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,720 The people's friends, Yeah, deeply disturbed. 342 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,400 I think people liked him because, like, he was fun, but 343 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,680 then it got to be too much. But who was Wallace Simpson? 344 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:25,160 So she was born Bessie Wallace Warfield on June 19th, 1896 in 345 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,480 Blue Ridge Summit, PA. So she's an American. 346 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,480 Her father Tico. I hope I pronounced that right. 347 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:33,440 How do? You spell it. 348 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:40,400 Like T, Like TEA and then CKLE. So it's like tickle but with T. 349 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,200 Yeah. He was the youngest son of a 350 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,800 very popular flower merchant in Baltimore. 351 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,040 And his dad was well known for running for mayor of the city in 352 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,600 1875. And her mother was the daughter 353 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,080 of a stockbroker. It seemed like they came from a 354 00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:58,360 kind of wealthy family. One of her uncle's was super, 355 00:20:58,360 --> 00:21:00,360 super rich. They weren't really rich 356 00:21:00,360 --> 00:21:02,440 themselves, but they knew people who were. 357 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,800 And she went by Bessie Wallace growing up like 2 names. 358 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,720 But somewhere along the way, she dropped the Bessie and just went 359 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:13,000 by Wallace, which was her dad's middle name. 360 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,480 And yeah, I know because Wallace to me is like kind of a 361 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,360 masculine name. That's why I said it was 362 00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:24,600 unusual, but and. Yeah, I guess that confirms. 363 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,160 I mean, it was her dad's middle name. 364 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:31,040 Yeah, and when Wallace was just seven months old, her dad 365 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,640 actually sadly passed away from tuberculosis. 366 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,560 After that, she and her mother were very financially dependent 367 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:41,080 upon her father's wealthy single brother, who they lived with in 368 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,320 a four story house that they shared with Wallace's paternal 369 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,800 grandmother for a few years. And then after that, her and her 370 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,880 mom temporarily lived with her Aunt Bessie in Baltimore for at 371 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,920 least a year until they moved into a House of their own. 372 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,200 Mel, you're going to Baltimore tomorrow. 373 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:03,040 I know, first time to shout out any Baltimore listeners. 374 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:06,760 And then when she was just 12 years old, her mom remarried to 375 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,760 a guy named John and he was the son of a very prominent member 376 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,080 of the Democratic Party. So, like again, everyone's like 377 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:17,080 the son or the brother of someone who like has wealth. 378 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,920 And as a teenager, Wallace's rich uncle paid for her to 379 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,600 attend a very expensive all girls school in Maryland, where 380 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,240 she made friends with a lot of heiresses and socialites, and 381 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,360 she was described by her classmates as being 382 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:36,040 exceptionally bright, driven, and well dressed, the biographer 383 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:40,960 Philip Ziegler wrote, though Wallace's jaw was too heavy for 384 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,440 her to be counted. Beautiful, OK, kind of mean. 385 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,200 Her fine Violet blue eyes. Wait, that's so weird. 386 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:54,360 Another person described as having Violet eyes. 387 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,520 I've never even seen that in real. 388 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,400 Life though. Me neither. 389 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,280 I don't buy it. Violet eyes. 390 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,160 I don't think it's real. You can even Google it. 391 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:08,080 Like there won't be any real photos of people with Violet 392 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,320 eyes. But that's so weird. 393 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,520 A shorter man with a woman with Violet eyes. 394 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,000 Oh my gosh. Lacking self-control and being 395 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,680 prone to adultery. 2 days in A. Row Eddie, for sure, and 396 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,200 Elizabeth Taylor. I'll Ever Again. 397 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,560 So interesting, but yeah. Her Violet blue eyes and petite 398 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:34,840 figure, quick wits, vitality and capacity for total concentration 399 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:39,160 on her inter inter ocular ensured that she had many 400 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,800 admirers. And she did. 401 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:46,640 She first got married at age 20 to a man named Earl Weinfeld 402 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,000 Spencer Junior. Interesting. 403 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,040 Spencer like also, you know, kind of connected to the royal 404 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,160 family with that last name. He was AUS Navy aviator who she 405 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,160 met through her cousin, who was also in the Navy. 406 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,680 But their marriage was pretty short lived. 407 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,640 It was very tumultuous and her husband was a very heavy drinker 408 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,360 and would and Wallace apparently would have affairs with other 409 00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:12,640 men. So interesting. 410 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:14,720 I know. Yeah, I was. 411 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,800 The reason why I said Wallace was because I was in my notes. 412 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,080 I assumed like it was going to be him for a second and then I 413 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,200 remembered. Nope it. 414 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,080 Was her. He must have been cheating too, 415 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,440 though maybe at one point she so she, I don't know why, but she 416 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,320 was like travelling a lot when she was young. 417 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,760 Obviously a lot of people travel but like at that time you had to 418 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:34,960 like take boats and it was really hard. 419 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,120 So I don't know, she just was like living the life. 420 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:43,280 And she spent over a year in China while she was married but 421 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,800 without her husband. And apparently she had an affair 422 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,320 with an Italian diplomat and became pregnant, actually. 423 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,560 Oh my goodness. This could be rumors, but they 424 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,200 say that it resulted in a botched abortion that left her 425 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:01,320 infertile, and when she got back to the US, she and her husband 426 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,880 lived apart from each other. And then they officially 427 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,920 divorced when she was 31 years old, and her very rich uncle at 428 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,320 the time was so upset that she had gotten divorced that when he 429 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:16,720 died he only left her $15,000, which was pennies compared to 430 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,160 the $5,000,000 that she was expecting to receive from her. 431 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:26,360 So she had to, you know, find other means of getting money. 432 00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:30,720 And so she quickly remarried to a man named Ernest Simpson, who 433 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,440 was a shipping executive and a former officer. 434 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,840 He was also once divorced, and he had a daughter of his own. 435 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,960 And they briefly Linden lived in London together because his 436 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,680 parents were from there. But then they travelled back to 437 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:48,200 the US when her mother was dying, and after she passed away 438 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,000 the couple moved back to the England and they had a pretty 439 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,440 comfortable life. They lived in a house full of 440 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:58,400 servants, and we're always associating with people of the 441 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,440 higher class. Wow, it's funny. 442 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,720 I mean, maybe they're an exception, but you just think of 443 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,000 like, oh, the 1920s, whatever. Like people, people didn't 444 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,480 really get divorced. Clearly they did. 445 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,720 No, yeah, seriously. I mean, they're both on their 446 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,600 second marriages. I mean, I don't know. 447 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,160 I feel like it's so funny with the royal family being, like, 448 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,320 against divorce. Because isn't. 449 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:26,120 The whole reason why like Protestant came to be is because 450 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,080 the Protestant denomination of Christianity is because Henry 451 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,760 the Eighth wanted to get divorced. 452 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,040 OK, interestingly, I know I have thought the same thing. 453 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,560 I think that the reason they broke off was not really to make 454 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,480 divorce accepted in the Church of England. 455 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,160 It was more to not have to listen to the Pope. 456 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:51,160 So that made the King in charge of the Church of England so he 457 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,360 could do whatever he wanted. But it didn't mean that all the 458 00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:59,400 other people could get divorced. That makes sense, yeah. 459 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,960 I know, but it's yeah, I mean, that's in the fabric of the 460 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,120 royal family. Exactly. 461 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,680 And then they're like, so, so strict about it. 462 00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:18,880 So when Wallace and Edward met at this time, so we're in 1931, 463 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,080 Edward was having an affair with a different marriage, socialite 464 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,600 and actress named Thelma Furnace. 465 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,440 And Thelma was throwing a house party at her country house in 466 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,880 borough court. And after another couple got 467 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,200 sick and had to cancel, she invited Wallace in earnest, 468 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,680 because she had known Wallace through her sister, but just 469 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,160 casually, like I think they had only met once before. 470 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,960 OK. And at the party she introduced 471 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,040 Wallace to Edward Cause apparently Wallace really wanted 472 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,480 to meet him and according. To night they met. 473 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,480 It's literally the night they met. 474 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,680 Wow. Apparently, according to the 475 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,640 History Press, Edward Van Wallace, sympathetic 476 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,040 understanding and witty. And I have a clip of them later 477 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,840 talking about the night that they first met. 478 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,840 OK. Simpson and I first met over a 479 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,880 weekend at the House of friends near Melton Mowbray in 480 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,040 Leicestershire. She had a terrible cold and was 481 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:22,840 not feeling or looking her best. Our first conversation was 482 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,880 surprisingly stilted and banal, and it ranged from the lack of 483 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,520 central heating in British country homes and the ruggedness 484 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,160 of the British climate. Mrs. Simpson had heard a song 485 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,680 about the Prince sometime before. 486 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,760 I remember coming back from China. 487 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,000 It was off of the Prince's trip to America. 488 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,360 And there's this song then saying I knew a girl who knew a 489 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,960 girl who danced with the Prince of Wales, Wallis. 490 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,680 Warfield Simpson has now been married to Ernest Simpson, her 491 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,280 second husband. For three years they lived in 492 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,520 London, and that year Mrs. Simpson was presented at court. 493 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,440 I was struck by the grace of her carriage and the dignity of her 494 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,880 movements. After our first meeting I didn't 495 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,960 see him again until the following spring. 496 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,960 Then we met occasionally in the houses of friends. 497 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,000 From the first, I looked upon her as the most independent 498 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:22,160 woman I had ever met, and presently the hope formed. 499 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,120 But one day I might be able to share my life with her. 500 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,440 Just how I did not know. Wow. 501 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,160 His accent is so posh. I know. 502 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,520 And also, I feel like hers isn't. 503 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,920 That different from? I know I was thinking the same 504 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,040 thing. Except, she said. 505 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,760 Like, again. Yeah, which I don't even say 506 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,360 that. Maybe she kind of adopted it in 507 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,320 a accent. Maybe married to him. 508 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,440 Yeah, but yeah, I mean, I feel like people spoke back then so 509 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,840 much more formal than they do now that it sounds very British. 510 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,800 It does so a year after they first met though, as they said 511 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,600 Wallace and Edward didn't see each other until Edward invited 512 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,520 the couple, Wallace and Ernest to dine with them in London and 513 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,800 they all became good friends. Like couple friends, even though 514 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,800 Edward and Thelma were not really an official couple 515 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:20,160 because Thelma was married. Oh my, that is crazy. 516 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,640 It's just weird. It's like it's weird that Thelma 517 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,360 was even throwing a party at Edward's place when she's. 518 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,320 Married. What does your husband think 519 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,200 about that girl? It's crazy that they're. 520 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,520 Going out on basically double dates, literally socializing as 521 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,920 a couple. I don't get it. 522 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,520 I really don't. But maybe if you just, like, 523 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,680 have that much power, Like, you don't give a fuck. 524 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,240 And after that, Edward invited the couple to spend a weekend at 525 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,600 his country house in Fort Bel of Belvedere. 526 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,080 Soon after, staff and family members grew very suspicious 527 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,720 that something was going on between the two, but Edward 528 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,560 denied that anything was happening while she was still 529 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:00,680 married at this. Time. 530 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,120 It is interesting. He keeps inviting them. 531 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:04,840 I know. Seriously. 532 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,760 In 1933, he was still seeing Thelma, but was becoming more 533 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,560 and more infatuated with Wallace and even threw her a 37th 534 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,360 birthday party. Whoa. 535 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,520 It's also interesting that they're like in their late 30s. 536 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,440 He's like, you're damn near 40 and it's it's just interesting 537 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,360 that this is all happening when they're getting closer and 538 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,200 closer to middle age too. Like it seems very immature. 539 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,560 I know I would have thought they were in their 20s. 540 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,440 I know. What? 541 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,920 And then she threw a 4th of July party and invited him to her 542 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,600 house that same year. And he probably was like, yeah, 543 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,400 4th of July. OK, They're at parties. 544 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,400 Yeah. They're probably like looking 545 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,320 across the room at each other. And then around this time, 546 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:54,680 Thelma, his lover, sailed off to the US and lived there. 547 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,480 So Edward began putting all of his attention onto Wallace and 548 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,080 was just falling more and more in love with her. 549 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,760 And he was very attracted to the fact that it seemed like she 550 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,560 didn't really care about him being the Prince. 551 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,280 That's the way to Prince's heart, apparently. 552 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,480 Exactly, exactly. But it tells me again that he 553 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,160 likes the chase. Like, this is kind of a game to 554 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,560 him. And around this time, Wallace's 555 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,200 husband Ernest was having some financial problems. 556 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,520 So Edward would shower Wallace with clothes and jewelry and 557 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,840 other expensive things, which at the time, Wallace's husband 558 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,320 didn't seem to have a problem with. 559 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:36,680 I don't know. Strange. 560 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,280 Yeah. A guy getting your wife jewelry. 561 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:42,280 I would be. Worried. 562 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,560 And I think like the king really had a problem with it because 563 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:51,680 this is taxpayers dollars. Like all of his money comes from 564 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,040 the people of England. And if people find out that he's 565 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,480 doing these things, they're really going to lose trust in 566 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:03,760 the monarchy. So yeah, but he can't control 567 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:08,280 himself. So Edward, He wanted Wallace to 568 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,440 meet his family, even though she's literally married. 569 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,280 Are they are they together at this point? 570 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,720 They're like having an affair. But she's still with her 571 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,800 husband, so he's denying that anything is happening. 572 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,040 Like he's telling his dad. Oh no, like it's we're just 573 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,360 friends. But he brings Wallace to his 574 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,000 brother George's wedding, and the king was really not cool 575 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,280 with this. He did not want Wallace to come, 576 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,280 and he even had her removed off the guest list. 577 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,480 But Edward somehow still managed to bring her anyway. 578 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,080 But actually, Ernest also came with her. 579 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,080 I don't know where Ernest is during the wedding when Edward 580 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,200 and Wallace run off with each other. 581 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,520 So are they. They're sleeping together at 582 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,320 this point, yeah. I'm pretty sure. 583 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,880 Wow. I don't know for sure like 100%, 584 00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,040 but I think it's implied. It does remind me of. 585 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,480 Charles and Camilla. Cause Camilla was often not 586 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:06,560 allowed at things too. Yeah, it's weird that the Royal 587 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,880 Family didn't learn their lesson by then. 588 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,679 At least Camilla was divorced. I'm pretty sure. 589 00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:16,040 Like she it wasn't like an affair until Diana came along, 590 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:20,920 right? Like they had their window of 591 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:29,960 Yeah, you're right, God. Trying to remember back to that 592 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,639 episode, but. Anyway, apparently when Wallace 593 00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,159 met the King and Queen, it was pretty pleasant. 594 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,040 Like, obviously they weren't going to have a fight right 595 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,159 there. But afterwards the King demanded 596 00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:44,920 that she'd not be invited to any more royal events at all. 597 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:49,080 But Edward doubled down and became insistent that she came, 598 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,760 becoming just obsessed with Wallace. 599 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,920 And that November he took her on a very public ski trip to 600 00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:02,240 Austria and bought her a $60,000 or £60,000 worth of jewelry. 601 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,400 Wow. Which is crazy. 602 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:08,000 It's almost like his dad telling him no. 603 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,640 He just wanted to be with her more. 604 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:10,720 It's. Childish. 605 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,320 But I know. But then it's like, oh, is it 606 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,880 true love? Or is he just being childish? 607 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:22,320 OK, like that's my thing about it is I think this common 608 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,600 narrative with this couple is like, oh, he fell in love with a 609 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:30,480 twice divorcee and the royal family wouldn't let him be with 610 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,400 her, but he did everything he could to be with her anyway. 611 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,440 But it's a little bit less romantic that he had a habit of 612 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,680 getting with married women. He wasn't with a twice divorcee, 613 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,760 he was with a once divorcee currently married woman. 614 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,960 True. And he had been with married 615 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:48,920 women. Before. 616 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,800 Exactly. So it's like, I feel like for 617 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,400 it's less about true love and more about the power gain here. 618 00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:59,080 That's a little he just wants, yeah, I know. 619 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,480 He just wants what he can't have, it seems. 620 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,880 Well, I appreciate you telling us the truth, Mel. 621 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,040 I mean, who knows? Like, you know they did. 622 00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:13,560 Spoiler they were married for the rest of their lives, but the 623 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,240 king is pissed. But Edward keeps denying to him 624 00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:20,560 that anything romantic is happening or sexual, but somehow 625 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,000 he keeps bringing her to stuff and it's just pretty obvious 626 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,440 he's crazy. So then it's 1936 January. 627 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,320 Edward finds out through his mother that his father is in 628 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:36,320 poor health and he flies to be by his bedside and the king then 629 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,960 died only a few days later on January 20th, making Edward the 630 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,360 King of England. Oh boy, he is not ready for 631 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,320 this. Like, my gosh, but he's not even 632 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,840 that young. No, he's not. 633 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,760 But he's like living like a bachelor. 634 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,240 He's partying all the time. He doesn't give a fuck about 635 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:58,280 anything other than like sex. And I don't know, I'm sure he's 636 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,520 doing drugs and not like drinking a lot. 637 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,040 This is rough for him. I don't think he even really 638 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,280 wants to be king. So he calls Wallace and he tells 639 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,360 her the news. And then in October of that 640 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,440 year, she officially filed for divorce from her husband so that 641 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,200 they could be together. That's interesting. 642 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:16,600 Soon, I know. Yeah. 643 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,960 Soon after that, the Prime Minister, Stanley Baldwin met 644 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,320 with Edward, and he warned him that a public relationship with 645 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,920 Wallace would be a bad look for the country and that he should 646 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,120 just keep her as a mistress. And he also strongly urged 647 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,440 Edward to prevent Wallace and her husband from divorcing 648 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,320 Stanley Baldwin. Edward obviously refused to not 649 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:44,240 break up the marriage to keep Wallace and Ernest together, and 650 00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:46,360 he told the Prime Minister that he really wanted to marry 651 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,840 Wallace. But the Prime Minister said that 652 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,520 the people of England would never accept her and meanwhile 653 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,360 it was believed at the time that the establishment, like the 654 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,560 Royal family, believed that Wallace was more driven by money 655 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,520 and power rather than true love. So they were very suspicious of 656 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,680 her. Interestingly, later on Wallace 657 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,080 actually blamed her divorce on Earnest, on him being 658 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,800 unfaithful, but obviously. She wasn't. 659 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,920 Yeah, maybe he was. Yeah. 660 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,080 But so is she. So. 661 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,200 In a little context here, the world was on the brink of 662 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,240 another World War, so it was a very bad time for the King's 663 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:29,600 commitment to the Crown to be in question at all. 664 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,880 True, the you know, they had to have a very strong united front 665 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,280 here and like just be role models for the country. 666 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,840 And Edward Secretary apparently wrote to him and said the 667 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,120 silence in the British press on the subject of Your Majesty's 668 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,360 friendship with Missus Simpson is not going to be maintained. 669 00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:51,600 Judging by the letters from British subjects living in 670 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,880 foreign countries where the press has been outspoken, the 671 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,480 effect will be calamitous. Oh wow. 672 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:02,080 So I mean, he's a king. And if he gets with a twice 673 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,280 divorced woman who it's very obvious he had an affair with, 674 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,880 it might look bad to other countries at the time. 675 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,320 Not that I think that there's anything scandalous about being 676 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,680 divorced, but at this time, I can see why It was a concern for 677 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,360 the family. And they're apparently panicking 678 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,800 over there in England about this relationship. 679 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,480 Yeah. And they're actually having 680 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,880 police detectives follow Wallace and Edward can spy on them, 681 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,160 which again, very similar to Charles and Camilla. 682 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,640 Yeah, they. Were spied on as well. 683 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,560 So I mean, clearly this family has a history of that and if 684 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,520 they don't like someone, they will make it known. 685 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,200 And it's just so interesting because I feel like it must be 686 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,280 so hard to be accepted by this family. 687 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,680 You know we have Camilla and also Diana and also Meghan 688 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,040 Markle like. It's hard talk about picture, 689 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,720 even normal families. I think it can be hard to bring 690 00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:04,520 people into a family with this. This one is very. 691 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,000 Very particular. I wonder if they would accept 692 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:14,800 me. Probably not people. 693 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,640 People in the palace started to believe that Edward was sexually 694 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:25,160 abnormal, quote and it seems like I feel weird talking about 695 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,320 this. But like, he maybe definitely 696 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,960 had a fetish for women who were more sexually dominant than him, 697 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:39,840 and that no, I'd feel weird, but that Wallace maybe held over him 698 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,240 some type of dominance and people were speculating. 699 00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:45,680 I don't know if this is true, that maybe she had learned some 700 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,000 type of practices in a Chinese brothel. 701 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,600 What practices? I don't know. 702 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,800 I don't know this. Is what the people were saying. 703 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,240 How did they know this? I don't know. 704 00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:03,920 But so, I mean, it does seem like maybe there's something to 705 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,840 that. Like he liked what he couldn't 706 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,840 have. He liked that she didn't care 707 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,600 about him. He liked a woman to demean him 708 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,320 in some way. He got off on that. 709 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,840 I don't know. He liked power dynamics, where 710 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,800 he was a little subordinate. I don't know. 711 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:19,880 You know, we weren't there. There's no way to say. 712 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,640 But also again, the Royal Family, they might be putting 713 00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:27,960 planting these stories in the press to make Wallace look bad. 714 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,680 They all. That story makes him look weird. 715 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:33,960 Oh yeah, no, it does make him look weird. 716 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,760 But they also apparently there were stories that she was having 717 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,080 affairs with other men too, not just Edward. 718 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,640 But we don't know if that's true or not. 719 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,160 No, we don't know. So then in December, Edward has 720 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,520 only been king for several months. 721 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,160 How many months? Let's see, a little less than a 722 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,080 year, 11 months. Edward signed his abdication 723 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,520 papers to step down from the throne. 724 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,360 Huge sacrifice here. And he said in his statement, I 725 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,320 have found it impossible to carry the heavy burden of 726 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,480 responsibility and to discharge my duties as king, as I would 727 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,480 wish to do without the help and support of the woman I love, 728 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,920 which it is very brave of him to do that. 729 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,960 And I was thinking a lot of like, why didn't Charles just do 730 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:18,720 that? But. 731 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,200 Well, he wasn't even king. Yeah, that's you're right, He 732 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,160 wasn't king. And but also, I understand too, 733 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,800 like the duty to your country. And if you've been raised to 734 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,640 believe that it is your responsibility to inherit the 735 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,760 throne your whole life, people, there's one of two ways that 736 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,280 that could go for someone. And like, I think Edward just 737 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,080 like never even really wanted to be king in the 1st place and so 738 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:44,040 he was looking for an excuse. Yeah, I do think Charles really 739 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:50,040 wanted it and was preparing for decades, but wow. 740 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,480 I know he. Really did it? 741 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,120 He did it, and the next day Edward's brother Albert became 742 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,320 the king. Like I said, he then went by 743 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,960 King George the 6th and Edward went back to be being a Prince, 744 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,480 which honestly seems like not a bad life. 745 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,920 Like he still got an allowance, but he had a lot less 746 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,440 responsibilities and could do what he wanted. 747 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,800 He's still a Prince. Mm hmm. 748 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,600 Which is cool. And supporters of Edward, they 749 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,400 blamed the Prime Minister for this. 750 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,400 But most members of the royal family were actually pretty 751 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,800 relieved that he stepped down. Who's the supporter of Edward? 752 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,200 No offense. People like why? 753 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,200 Why would people really? Want him to be king? 754 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,720 Well, like I said, like he was like very stylish people were 755 00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:37,600 again attracted to him. And you know, people who maybe 756 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,040 didn't really like the monarchy in the 1st place liked him. 757 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,800 I see people like a rebel. Some, yeah, yeah. 758 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,880 Yeah. But you know that, like, that's 759 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,720 obviously bad for the country too, that now people are mad at 760 00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:52,280 the Prime Minister because of him stepping down and they 761 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,000 think, Oh my. Gosh, they made him do this. 762 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,520 They wouldn't let him be with her. 763 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,840 And so felt like I I kind of get it. 764 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,720 Maybe they should have just let him marry her. 765 00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:06,280 But again, at the same time, like then maybe people wouldn't 766 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,000 have had accepted her and it just was this whole thing. 767 00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,960 Yeah, so it's 1937. No, they wouldn't have. 768 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,000 It would have been a mockery for. 769 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,040 They could like throwing tomatoes at her or something. 770 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,240 Yeah, yeah. And she was an American, too. 771 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:23,920 Even worse. So 1937, Wallace's divorce from 772 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,880 Ernest was finally officially finalized, and on June 3rd the 773 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,880 couple married at the Chateau de Conde in France on what would 774 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,720 have been his father's 72nd birthday. 775 00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:42,720 Like what a way to? Oh wow, His dad would not have 776 00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:47,040 approved, no. He would not have, and the bride 777 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,880 wore a blue dress and none of the groom's family attended at 778 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,920 all. And I think he was pretty hurt 779 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,080 by that. I think he felt pretty rejected. 780 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,760 And they were invited and they didn't go. 781 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,080 No, they didn't go. But after they got married, 782 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,680 Wallace, she became the Duchess of Windsor. 783 00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,560 But King George filed papers denying her the right to be 784 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,600 called Her Royal Highness, which Edward was also pretty pissed 785 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,120 about. It's crazy how official. 786 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:18,120 Everything is, yeah. So after they abdicated the 787 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,920 throne, they were feeling pretty rejected by his family and 788 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,320 honestly, all of England. So Edward turned to Germany for 789 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:31,320 support and in 1937 he and Wallace travelled to meet. 790 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,640 They travelled to meet Hitler. I know, I know. 791 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,520 This is why I like, don't sympathize for them, because 792 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,320 they're honestly kind of Nazi sympathizers. 793 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:48,760 And they took photos with Hitler and Edward wrote a very kiss ass 794 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,720 letter to him, thanking him for his hospitality. 795 00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:57,240 A kiss ass letter, yeah. And then in 1939 he released a 796 00:45:57,240 --> 00:46:01,640 public address urging Britain to come to terms with Germany four 797 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,200 months before the war broke out. So this is like before the 798 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,960 Holocaust has really started, before people really know of, 799 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,440 like the extreme trap like. Maybe we can give him the 800 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,680 benefit of the doubt. You you might think maybe he's 801 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:20,240 naive here, but some people speculate that Hitler personally 802 00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:22,640 helped the couple flee to Portugal and put them in a 803 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,680 really nice mansion. Oh my God, it was breaking out. 804 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,080 I know, like, they actually like, we're pretty close. 805 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,560 And some historians think that, like I said, at best Edward was 806 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,920 maybe naive about the direction that the Nazi party was heading 807 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:40,240 in, but and maybe that they were also manipulating Edward because 808 00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:44,320 they saw that he had a reason to betray the royal family. 809 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,040 Oh my. Gosh, yeah. 810 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,640 And that, yeah. Plot of a movie like. 811 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,480 The I know, for real. Yeah, for real. 812 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:59,840 So honestly, no. It is because then in 1945, a 813 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:04,120 series of top secret documents were found in Germany that were 814 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,120 allegedly documents of correspondence between Edward 815 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,760 and Nazi agents and in the documents, the Nazis. 816 00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,480 Are trying to. Convince Edward? 817 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,320 Yep. They're trying to convince him 818 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:20,640 to join them in order to help bring about peace negotiations 819 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,400 with the UK. And in the letters, they are 820 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,280 trying to manipulate Edward into thinking that his own brother, 821 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,680 the king and the Prime Minister were planning to assassinate 822 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,120 him. And we're trying to convince him 823 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,600 to stage a kidnapping in the Bahamas, which is where him and 824 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,480 Wallace are living, because he was given governance power of 825 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,360 the Bahamas at the time, staged a kidnapping in order to 826 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,000 blackmail his family into joining forces with the Nazis. 827 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,480 I don't know how this would work, honestly. 828 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:53,760 Blackmail the Royal family into joining forces with the Nazis. 829 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,280 OK, so they're just lying to him, I'm guessing about the 830 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,560 assassination thing. And then they're saying, because 831 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,080 this probably won't actually happen, but like, let's stage it 832 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,040 and blame it on them and. Yep. 833 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,800 And they're trying to like, just basically forge a greater wedge 834 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,560 between him and his family. Don't fall for. 835 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,880 It yeah, honestly, it seems like he does a little bit. 836 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,600 He never, like, accepts that plan. 837 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:27,120 But the Nazis were also saying that, you know, once they join 838 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,360 forces or something, they would reinstate him as king, which I 839 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,320 don't know how they would have power to do that, and also make 840 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,360 Wallace the queen. He doesn't even want that. 841 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,240 I know that obviously doesn't happen. 842 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,480 I know, yeah, he literally doesn't want to be dead. 843 00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,680 But I think he likes, he wants Wallace to have like some type 844 00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,840 of royal like that's like that was a sort subject for him. 845 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,840 Edward doesn't agree to that. But in his one of his final 846 00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,520 letters to the Nazis, he suggested that they should bomb 847 00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,600 Britain. What Bomb his home country. 848 00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:05,000 Bomb the country where his whole family lives so bad. 849 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,560 Like This is why. This is why. 850 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,120 Like, I felt like I can't be like, oh, this is a beautiful 851 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,520 story, this couple. You let, like, definitely leave 852 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,480 this out when they talk about them. 853 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,400 For real. For real. 854 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,600 Like Okay. He's that mad at his family that 855 00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,840 he is okay with them being bombed. 856 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,960 Like, I'm sorry, that's horrible. 857 00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,320 Seriously, that's that's again, deeply disturbed. 858 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:37,720 He says it so in in order for the Nazis in the UK to have 859 00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:42,720 peace negotiations, but oh. Gosh, is this mentioned on the 860 00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:44,920 Crown at all? I don't think so. 861 00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:48,320 I I've only watched like 5 episodes of season one though, 862 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,600 which is mostly focused on Elizabeth. 863 00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:51,800 Oh, OK. Wow. 864 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,720 Holy crap, it does seem like the Nazis were taking advantage of 865 00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:59,400 the fact that Edward felt so abandoned by his family. 866 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,560 So I can see how maybe there were possibly reasons why he 867 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,920 wanted nothing to do with them. But that's just, like extreme. 868 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:13,560 And also like I have some, I have some character here like 869 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,760 and I can see why his family also would want nothing to do 870 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,360 with him. Beyond the innocent people of 871 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,080 the country, that has nothing to do with your families. 872 00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:26,720 Basically. Or the innocent people in the 873 00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:29,840 concentration camps. Okay, get over your stupid 874 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,680 relationship. Who gives a fuck? 875 00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:35,400 I mean, this is just like, if you're taking it that personally 876 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,320 that you're like sympathizing with the Nazi party, like I 877 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,320 don't feel bad for you. I don't sympathize with your 878 00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,800 problems. But I can also see why the royal 879 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,440 family that meant to say this wanted nothing to do with him. 880 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:50,080 It makes they make it seem like, oh, like they just don't want to 881 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,400 speak to him because they don't like his wife. 882 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,680 Like, no, I think they also feel like he's kind of a traitor to 883 00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,560 the country and they can't trust him and he's a liability, so 884 00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:04,440 he's an embarrassment to them. Yeah, I wonder if he, did he 885 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,920 feel that the current government or everything should just be 886 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,120 abolished? Like, did he like the Nazi's 887 00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,720 vision? He wanted England to adopt that. 888 00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:20,000 Like, did it go that far or? I'm not too sure about his 889 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,440 politics in the context of that time, but I did read that he had 890 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,000 very conservative beliefs for that time period. 891 00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,720 I mean, I can see feeling like rejected and then feeling 892 00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:33,480 accepted by somebody else, but that's just too far, man. 893 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,720 Way too. Far guessing they still had 894 00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:40,200 friends and such like yeah, how could you be that? 895 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,560 I don't know. I guess we have the hindsight 896 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:44,360 to. I don't know. 897 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:49,040 That's crazy. Yeah, literally Hitler. 898 00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:50,960 No. Yeah, the absolute worst person 899 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:55,920 in the world to ever exist. So it goes back to like the 900 00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,760 thing he said about his brother, like his death being a nuisance. 901 00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:03,640 Like, I don't think that he seems to really value human life 902 00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,000 and people and other people's pain that much. 903 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,360 So it's hard for me to feel for their story. 904 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,480 There's. Got to be something really 905 00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,400 detached to think so casually about. 906 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,560 Not casually, but just talk about bombing a country or yeah, 907 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,840 yeah. It's scary and it's a good thing 908 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,760 he wasn't king at the time. Honestly. 909 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,400 Huge blessing that that didn't happen. 910 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,640 That's true. Everything happens. 911 00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,840 No, I'm just kidding. It's like actually so bad. 912 00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:37,600 But after abdicating the throne, Edward stayed married to Wallace 913 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,800 for the rest of his life. But it wasn't really this great 914 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,880 love story that it seems either, historian Tracy Borman said. 915 00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:49,120 Here's a myth that he had one of history's greatest love affairs, 916 00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,200 but it is a great myth. Giving up the throne for the 917 00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,160 love of a woman sounds incredibly romantic, but if you 918 00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:59,080 delve deeper into Edward's character and into his 919 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,200 relationship with Wallace, you'll realize that it's not all 920 00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,920 as it appears. He was actually a very flawed 921 00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,280 character. He grew up with all sorts of 922 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,560 insecurities. He was quite childlike when it 923 00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,120 came to women, and you definitely see that when it 924 00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:15,120 comes to his relationship with Wallace. 925 00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,640 She's almost like a mother figure to Edward and this 926 00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,360 historian. Tracy developed A Smithsonian 927 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,840 docu series called The Private Lives of Monarchs where she did 928 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,960 a lot of research into their personal lives and suggested 929 00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:35,880 that Edward never wanted to be king and that he because he made 930 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:41,080 this big sacrifice, he expected a lot from Wallace in return and 931 00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,640 that she felt a lot of pressure from them. 932 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,840 Because what can she even give him back? 933 00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,520 Exactly. That equals that. 934 00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,040 And it sounds like she maybe can't have children. 935 00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,120 That's I I only mentioned that that seems like the kind of 936 00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,960 thing that someone would maybe, I don't know, say like, yeah, 937 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,640 you owe me something. I don't know what what what can 938 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,720 she do? I know this historian also said 939 00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:05,640 he just wanted her all to himself. 940 00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,440 He was quite suffocating when it came to his love for Wallace. 941 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,880 That's why there were rumors of her having an affair to escape. 942 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,680 It would have been disastrous for the monarchy. 943 00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,400 He just wanted to be in her company all the time and it was 944 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,920 very clear that for him, Wallace was everything. 945 00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,240 She was enough for him to give up the crown. 946 00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:23,920 It was a weight of responsibility. 947 00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,240 It lifted. But all of this must have felt 948 00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:30,400 like such a pressure for her to be everything that Edward 949 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,640 wanted. He just wanted to be with her 950 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,560 24/7. They were hardly ever apart and 951 00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,960 he quickly became quite jealous if she spoke to any other man 952 00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,120 and that she goes on to say, ironically, this suffocating 953 00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,200 behavior actually drove her from him. 954 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,600 They obviously never separated, but it really made her want to 955 00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,760 have space because he just was desperate to possess her 956 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,680 entirely. He didn't know how to act around 957 00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,760 others, he just wanted what he wanted. 958 00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,840 And when the government told him he couldn't have Wallace, it 959 00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:04,000 became this huge obsession. That's interesting. 960 00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:08,800 I feel like that really can cause obviously so much conflict 961 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:13,200 and just tricky dynamics when somebody gives something up for 962 00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,720 the relationship. And I don't think that means 963 00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:17,880 it's like impossible to make it work. 964 00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,680 I think you just have to, like, really be honest about how 965 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,680 you're feeling. And yeah, I don't know, I can 966 00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,800 see him kind of, even if he didn't really want deep down, 967 00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,800 didn't want to be king, kind of this pressure he's putting on 968 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,840 it. Like, I gave up everything for 969 00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,920 you. Like this has to be like 970 00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:37,880 everything, you know. And almost having to prove to 971 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,360 him. I mean, I'm kind of inserting my 972 00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,800 own vision here, but I can see him like doubling down on her, 973 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,120 you know, that this is everything and that's intense. 974 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,280 Totally, yeah. And I also think, I don't know 975 00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:55,120 if I can articulate this well, but I used to think that a 976 00:55:55,240 --> 00:55:58,880 relationship that starts with intensity, almost like it's a 977 00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:00,680 movie. That's what I wanted. 978 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,440 And that, like, it's because there's nothing more exciting 979 00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,760 that, like once you get it, it's a resolution to something. 980 00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:11,560 And forbidden romance is like the most intense thing that you 981 00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,240 can have. But then like, once they're 982 00:56:13,240 --> 00:56:15,280 together, it's like, where do you go from there? 983 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,600 It's tougher relationship to already start on such rocky 984 00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:24,120 grounds. And I feel if you're used to 985 00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,000 that intensity, and it seems almost like he was addicted to 986 00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,760 that, then that probably manifests in other ways. 987 00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,800 Once they're together like you you're not. 988 00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,960 They're probably not. Just like sitting at home 989 00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:39,320 playing chess, doing a crossword like drinking tea. 990 00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,640 There's no way to know like what life behind closed doors was 991 00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,760 really like for them, but it probably wasn't ideal. 992 00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,000 Like especially if there seems to be like he had a lot of pent 993 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,360 up anger towards people. Yeah, and maybe him getting 994 00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,720 really jealous and possessive, That's like his way of. 995 00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,600 I mean, yeah, we don't really, we didn't know them, but way of 996 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,720 keeping it exciting, you know, almost like, yeah, inventing 997 00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,800 little dramas. And I don't know. 998 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,240 I mean, sounds like she maybe did have an affair, but. 999 00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,280 Yeah, but he maybe liked that. I hate to say it, but like, he's 1000 00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:16,320 always dating, went unavailable women and women who were 1001 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,360 married. And so like, how can you then 1002 00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,040 just be happy with a woman who's like, married to you? 1003 00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,920 There's no chase in that. So they totally don't betray him 1004 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,240 this way. On the Crown, though, I feel 1005 00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,080 like they make it seem like he just like sacrificed everything 1006 00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,360 for the woman he loved. The royal family just can't 1007 00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:34,920 accept it. Yeah. 1008 00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:36,840 And they I. I don't. 1009 00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,800 Know I need to watch more episodes. 1010 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:43,080 So it's if they talk about his Nazi sympathizing ways. 1011 00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,800 I mean that's like truly unforgivable. 1012 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:51,600 So I think that was I think that was like a bigger reason why the 1013 00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:55,760 family didn't want anything to do with him but they did just 1014 00:57:55,880 --> 00:58:00,200 interact with him somewhat. So after the Second World War, 1015 00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,840 he's was basically retired and they both just like lived as 1016 00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,160 celebrities. But they did receive an 1017 00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,840 allowance and for extra money he wrote a memoir called A King 1018 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,320 Story, which basically he just like talked about his political 1019 00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,080 beliefs. He occasionally still interacted 1020 00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,280 with his mother, but the family never accepted Wallace. 1021 00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:23,920 He visited his brother George's funeral, but chose not to attend 1022 00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:27,960 his niece Elizabeth Elizabeth's coronation as the Queen. 1023 00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,800 He said like he thought it wasn't appropriate for a former 1024 00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:36,680 reigning monarch to visit the coronation of another reigning 1025 00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:37,560 monarch. But it's like that. 1026 00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,480 Like literally never happens because usually people don't 1027 00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,440 abdicate the throne. True, he was only the king for a 1028 00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,360 year. Was it like a bad luck type of 1029 00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,760 thing or I thought he would outshine? 1030 00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:52,640 Maybe. Yeah, that was, that was. 1031 00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,200 Only eleven months. I know he like, wants to remind 1032 00:58:56,200 --> 00:59:00,480 people like I was king and the last royal event that he ever 1033 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,880 attended was for his sister-in-law, Princess Marina. 1034 00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,960 Her funeral in 1968. And then his health began to 1035 00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,360 decline and he was diagnosed with throat cancer in the early 1036 00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,400 in his early 70s after years of heavy smoking. 1037 00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:19,240 And apparently his niece Elizabeth came to visit him on a 1038 00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,600 state visit to France and she met with him for about 15 1039 00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:26,080 minutes. But then ten days later he died 1040 00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:30,960 on May 28th, 1972 at the age of 77. 1041 00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,640 And Wallace, she had a very hard time after his death. 1042 00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,560 She became very physically frail and and started developing 1043 00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:43,320 dementia and suffered some pretty bad falls which led her 1044 00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:49,000 to breaking her hip twice. Also her lawyer at the time was 1045 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,880 made the power of attorney but totally took advantage of 1046 00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,920 Wallace and was very exploitative and would sell 1047 00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,200 Wallace's personal items to her friends to make a profit. 1048 00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,160 And it's really sad. She still received an allowance 1049 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,200 from the Queen, but nobody visited her and. 1050 01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,320 Towards the end of her life she lost the ability to speak and 1051 01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,640 the only interaction she would have with other people would 1052 01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,960 just be like nurses and doctors. She really had no family or 1053 01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,000 loved ones around her at all. That's really depressing. 1054 01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,160 Yeah, she just lived basically in isolation from. 1055 01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:27,840 People, even though I really hate they hung out with Hitler. 1056 01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:31,320 Literally. That is just really sad to hear. 1057 01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,200 I know about another human. And then? 1058 01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,640 She died on April 24th, 1986 at age 89. 1059 01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,720 But it's so odd because even though she never received any 1060 01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,800 visitors in the Royal family didn't accept her. 1061 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,770 They still had a funeral for her, which included her sister 1062 01:00:48,773 --> 01:00:54,120 in Law's and the Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip and Prince 1063 01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:57,360 Charles and Princess Diana. They all attended. 1064 01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,960 And later Diana, yeah. And later Diana said this was 1065 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,400 the only time that she ever saw the Queen cry, which is weird, 1066 01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:10,000 like she didn't even visit her. But yeah, that's the story. 1067 01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,280 I feel like there's a lot more that I could have included in 1068 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,320 that. But that's always true. 1069 01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:19,840 Oh, it's sad. Mixed feelings, but very. 1070 01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,760 Interesting. It's sad, 'cause I wanted to 1071 01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,680 root for them more. Yeah, I just like couldn't. 1072 01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,480 Once I saw the Hitler stuff, I was like. 1073 01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,680 It sounds on the outside like such a romantic story. 1074 01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,680 I know. I guess it was for them. 1075 01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:39,240 Yeah, for them, well, but I guess like all love fluctuates 1076 01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:43,680 as time goes on and no relationship is like perfect. 1077 01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,640 But yeah, I don't know, like how great they even were as a 1078 01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,040 married couple. They would have to stay together 1079 01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:55,320 though. This is also what I feel about 1080 01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,640 Charles and Camilla, even though I do feel like they do really 1081 01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,120 love each other. But it's just like after all of 1082 01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:06,360 that, you cannot break up. Oh no, not at all. 1083 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,680 No. And then you would look kind of 1084 01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:12,720 crazy like you would look like you have no control or you're 1085 01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:17,560 just like running on your whims. And you know, if you abdicate 1086 01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:21,200 the throne and then and say it's to be with her and then you 1087 01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,480 don't even end up with her. Like that would be that would 1088 01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,480 look poured I think. Oh, it's totally. 1089 01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,160 I mean, it's kind of like an US Against the World relationship, 1090 01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:32,680 which true, You know, we covered a few episodes back the Taylor 1091 01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:34,840 Johnsons. That is a type. 1092 01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:40,400 Yes, and I feel like it does really bond a couple when 1093 01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:44,680 everybody hates them together and they want to prove the 1094 01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:49,360 haters wrong by enduring. But maybe they ignore some 1095 01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,400 problems along the way and that's. 1096 01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,440 Against the world. Well, thank you Mel, for 1097 01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,440 researching all of that. So interesting. 1098 01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:04,400 Thank you guys for listening. Next week on the Patreon we will 1099 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:08,080 be covering a more modern ish couple. 1100 01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,400 Not really, but couple decades ago. 1101 01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,640 But they're. Still around though, yeah? 1102 01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:14,520 Yeah, still around, Still people. 1103 01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:16,960 We know. This will mean nothing to you 1104 01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,640 guys at all, but both these celebrities. 1105 01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:23,960 I have a list in my phone of celebrities who I think not look 1106 01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:27,080 like us per SE, but look like they would be members of our 1107 01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,520 family. You should read that list next 1108 01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:32,480 episode. I want to hear who's on it. 1109 01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,680 I should I need to expand on upon it a bit, but both these 1110 01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,760 people are in that list. I think they both look like they 1111 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:44,360 could be a part of our family. Another hint that might work 1112 01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:50,120 better for you guys is they both could be referred to by their 1113 01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,600 initials, which would include three letters. 1114 01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,120 They both go by three names for that. 1115 01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:57,760 Too much of A hint. Too much of A hint. 1116 01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,080 I wouldn't say one of them is like 3 names per SE. 1117 01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:04,360 It's like 2 names in a suffix. I guess yes. 1118 01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:09,800 Guys, I feel like I'm practically telling you, I won't 1119 01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,160 say anymore. Well, thank you guys so much for 1120 01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,000 listening. Tell us what you think of this 1121 01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:16,600 couple. Do you ship it? 1122 01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,360 Is it detestable? I know. 1123 01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:23,200 It's like, hard. Yeah, it's hard for me to ship 1124 01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,360 it. Like I I went into this thinking 1125 01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,520 that I would, like, hate the Royal Family for keeping what 1126 01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,200 true love apart. And then I was like, you know, 1127 01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:33,720 like, honestly, I can see why the Royal Family was annoyed 1128 01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:36,680 with them. Yeah, well, we love you guys. 1129 01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,000 We love you. And we'll get back together next 1130 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,400 week the. End is your heart beating with 1131 01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:42,160 pain? Shall I come? 1132 01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:51,120 Back again.