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Are You Lonesome Tonight? 
Do you miss me tonight? 

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Are you sorry? 
We drifted does your mate? 

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Oh my God, we're recording. 
Oh my God, welcome to the 

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podcast. 
Welcome to significant lovers. 

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Happy Whirlwind Wednesday. 
This is Mel and Kel and this is 

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our we're cousins. 
Yep, this is our first time 

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recording separately in 
different states. 

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Now for this show, good, we're 
on the phone right now. 

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We aren't we aren't doing a 
video call. 

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We can't see each other. 
I think I kind of like that. 

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Yeah, me too video calls her. 
Just don't like them. 

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If you think about it, we're 
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podcast because we're listening.
Hmm, not seeing so true so we 

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aren't yet. 
This visual cues from each 

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other. 
That's true. 

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Yeah, I can't can't just motion 
with my hands, which sometimes, 

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I think when we are recording, 
we do like make faces and it 

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doesn't really pick up. 
I do, we definitely do make 

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faces. 
Has yeah I am home in 

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Massachusetts. 
Shout-out Massachusetts Mel's 

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still New York so that's why 
we're doing this. 

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It's today's episode is very 
special because it is our first 

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listener, requested officially 
listener, requested episode, I 

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couldn't come up with what to 
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And so I asked our listener 
janica from Germany, what she 

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would like us to Cover it 
because I had to say, janica, 

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you are one of our most loyal 
amazing listeners. 

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We love all of your insights on 
every single episode and I feel 

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bad because she's the best. 
A lot of people we cover are 

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like American celebrities, but 
not necessarily famous 

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elsewhere. 
So she doesn't even know 

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everybody. 
We talked about but still 

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listens and it really means so 
much to us, you have no idea. 

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I know we've talked about for 
awesome likely Oh my gosh, I 

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feel bad. 
She doesn't know because Nana 

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guys in the video comment, like 
I didn't know who this was, but 

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I still love the episode and 
it's so sweet. 

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So yeah, we wanted to do someone
that you love. 

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Same, goes for other listeners 
to like some of you guys are so,

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so so sweet and we love you. 
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these episodes for, I'll just 
reach out to somebody and say 

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pick someone. 
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like a crazy abusive, terrible 
relationship. 

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What would you do if someone was
like, do I don't know. 

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Do I like one? 
That's Leland, Melinda Gates, I 

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know yeah. 
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interesting to me but like I 
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Is the what's her name the 
actress? 

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That was killed Natalie Wood. 
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Spend in Robert Wagner was her 
husband. 

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They were like, yeah, that's 
very famous. 

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We have very famous Hollywood, 
couple, and she died. 

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And a lot of people think that 
he killed their, but like, he 

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was never arrested or anything, 
but I wouldn't want to cover 

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that like just in case he did 
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think we can just position some 
episodes. 

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Little differently is if they're
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true. 
It G. 

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I don't know because I yeah some
things are really interesting 

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but they are Really brutal. 
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oh love, we love it. 
Like it's all romantic, but we 

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might be missing out on some 
interesting episodes if we don't

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do anything bad, you know. 
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to spin it a different way, I 
guess. 

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Yeah, that's true. 
But anyways, this one Ian ago, 

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this was such a great suggestion
because I didn't know anything 

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about this. 
Also, the couple is Jessica or 

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Glee a so of The Veronicas. 
It's a very Italian, last name 

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and Ruby Rose, you might know 
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the New Black. 
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modeling. 
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this couple whatsoever. 
I was just telling Kelly, I 

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don't even know that they were a
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So this is the first time I've 
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completely new. 
From scratch, and it was so 

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interesting. 
And wow, it's a pretty enticing 

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story. 
There's a lot to talk about, so 

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I'm excited to get into it too. 
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Veronica's, I think got their 
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one of my favorite movies and I 
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Writer Place. 
Veronica. 

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So, mmm. 
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Ruby Rose was very popular on 
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stuff but besides that I really 
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So I'm excited. 
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Yeah I think they got their name
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comic book character named 
Veronica Archie. 

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together. 
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If I had to pick three words to 
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say public huh? 
Bold and messy. 

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Okay, messy one, I like it. 
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messy ones. 
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and like, that's why most, I 
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remember those things in school 
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whatever and like, you'd put 
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words would be bigger than 
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I was like, oh yeah, they word 
scramble. 

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What was it called? 
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Yeah. 
I know like that and like our 

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Cloud. 
Yeah, weird Cloud. 

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I want to do that with the three
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like, which do that 
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common for relationships. 
You should do that Mel. 

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And also, wish we were keeping 
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We think people will get back. 
I know. 

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to, like really like bring up 
the data on this. 

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Like I want to go Through our 
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do our custody battles there. 
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See like who which one has like 
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or something? 
Like yeah, which one's the most 

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divisive. 
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one custody battle that we ever 
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We're 100% of people picked one 
of the people and which was that

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can you guess? 
I should know this. 

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I should know this. 
I because I've looked through it

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so many times. 
Like literally zero people zero 

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people pick like, picked one of 
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relationship. 
To give up. 

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I give up. 
It was Albert Einstein and his 

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wife. 
Oh no one. 

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I'm surprised. 
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Albert Einstein is like the 
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that we know, I'm surprised. 
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didn't listen to it. 
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I'm surprised they wouldn't just
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Einstein. 
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He was not a great guy. 
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Mmm. 
So we did this. 

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Episode 9 Stein. 
He's great. 

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where men have one. 
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Which way? 
It's not. 

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It's not impossible, right? 
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I think I couldn't tell which 
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I think. 
Jason Sudeikis. 

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Yeah, Jason Sudeikis one. 
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but then we're gonna get we're 
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scowl Oh, wow. 
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do? 
We forgot to do robin? 

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FKA twigs. 
I know we can do it. 

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So, Jane Austen really beat Tom 
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Yeah, seems that one of us? 
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Like he wasn't that guy. 
He wasn't like a terrible guy. 

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No he was. 
He was fine. 

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Yeah I'm surprised Paul one. 
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time. 
You guys won actually Jason 

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Sudeikis and Palmas. 
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What about what about the so 
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I think Blake. 
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one. 
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the custody battles. 
Yeah, but who wins when it's two

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women? 
That is tough one has to lose. 

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I know, I am pretty sure for the
Lindsay. 

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Samantha One Lindsay, One. 
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It's a democracy you guys vote. 
I love it, but I think that was 

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wrong. 
I think Samantha should have won

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but whatever people don't know 
who she is. 

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Thanks for the Ashley Benson and
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Delevingne one, I want to say 
that Ashley won. 

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I think so too. 
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who will win this one but 
actually you know it could 

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really go either way. 
Cool. 

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Well II don't know. 
So I'm intrigued. 

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Let's let's get in. 
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Jessica or Galore, I don't care 
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Last name is tripping me up or 
Gilly. 

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Also, she is a member of The 
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She was actually born on 
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Nice and 1984 with her identical
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Lisa in Queensland Australia. 
They grew up in Brisbane with 

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their little talion, Australian 
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their parents were both. 
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they took the twins to a lot of 
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Their dad used to actually be in
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and you played guitar and 
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So he really pass that down to 
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And they were musicians and 
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twins as their band name. 
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demos to local Publishers, which
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credits on Singles by Australian
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and Kate Dirigo, I'm not sure 
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which I have not heard of 
tattoo. 

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Oh, I've heard of them. 
Are you have? 

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Yeah. 
Like you know, a lot of like 

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Russian stuff I do. 
I do like Russian culture. 

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Oh yes, yes, sure. 
The government. 

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Yeah. 
But I do love. 

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I do love rush. 
I wish things were different. 

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Yeah. 
Hopefully someday things will be

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different. 
They wrote songs for them. 

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That's pretty crazy. 
Yeah, as teenagers. 

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Wow. 
And then in 2005. 

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They signed a global record, 
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records for two million dollars 
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album, The Secret Life of which 
had their first major hit called

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Forever, which peaked at number 
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featured in the film. 
She's the Man demanded Barnes. 

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Think they were also fairly. 
As I was listening to that today

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and I was thinking oh, this is 
such a Gossip Girl song. 

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Yes. 
Yeah. 

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Oh yeah. 
Very like late 2000s, they 

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released for additional singles,
off that album and they spent a 

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year on the Top 40 chart in 
Australia. 

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And then in 2006, they went on 
their first US tour with 

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supporting acts by October fall 
and a little-known band named 

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the Jonas brothers and their 
supporting act, which I think is

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funny, because I was actually 
listening to fluently forwards 

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podcast today and really, they 
were talking about How the Jonas

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Brothers used to have a song 
about like Australian girls and 

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how they just wanted an 
Australian girl. 

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And I was like, oh, that must be
because they went on this tour. 

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Whoa connection. 
Hmm. 

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It must be why it's funny 
because they were like, that's 

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so Random, like, why did they 
have that? 

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And like I had this little piece
of, you know the answer. 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Actually, the reason You comment

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like a mean. 
This is no. 

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We we love Shannon who actually 
the reason. 

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Why? 
And then their second album came

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out, in 2007, they released. 
It's called the hook me up and 

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it, did we a number 2 on the 
Australian charts, that's pretty

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impressive. 
It is their single untouched. 

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That's like their big song. 
Also peaked at number two and 

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even peaked at number 17 in the 
United States. 

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So it really expanded them 
outside of Australia. 

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That was a big song here. 
It was on the radio. 

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Mmm, I remember it. 
Well, yeah, I don't remember it 

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too well, but oh, I liked it. 
I think I bought it on iTunes. 

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I feel like I'm Watch. 
Am I wrong? 

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I feel like their music video 
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end a lot. 
I'm not sure they got during the

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commercial breaks, sori I don't 
know. 

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And then with the success of 
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another world tour and just 
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life in the late 2000s, who 
dated a musician named Azaria 

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real name Daniel Burn. 
He's an Australian musician from

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the band, the follow. 
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that he went missing and no one 
like knew where he was. 

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And then I was like, trying to 
find him what and I couldn't 

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find any articles saying that he
was found. 

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But I think he was found. 
I don't think anything. 

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Hope so. 
Yeah. 

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Is this man? 
Still missing. 

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He's not a guy. 
I think he later stayed. 

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Good friends would just so he 
was found. 

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I hope he's safe and doing well,
how I don't understand. 

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How did he go missing, like 
where I don't know. 

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As reported by this thing and 
like his bandmate was also 

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missing suppose. 
What? 

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Yeah, that's crazy, but he's 
okay think and gesso Jess, she 

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just identifies as queer but she
did both men and women, okay, so

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right on. 
Yeah, we love it, supported it. 

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So, speaking of women, then we 
have Miss Ruby Rose Lana. 

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Hi Mom. 
Hi. 

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As her full name, she was born 
on March 20th, 1986 and 

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Melbourne, Australia. 
Oh, and I should say to anybody 

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listening that would make her an
Aries and Jesse's a an aquarius,

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I believe. 
So today, I was in the waiting 

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room at a hospital and this guy 
he was like 68 years old. 

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He started talking to me a 
bunch. 

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And he randomly was like, Your 
sign. 

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I saw that Scorpio and he's 
like, oh, it's Leo, stay away 

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from them. 
Why does later like a couple 

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minutes later he was like 
Scorpio is a good sign though. 

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I'm like, that's not what you 
just said. 

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Wait, I have to, I have to 
correct myself and oh, it's 

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anybody who's really into 
astrology. 

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You probably were mad at me for 
a second. 

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She's just as a Capricorn, not 
an aquarius Capricorn, shame on 

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you mouths, I'm so sorry. 
That's funny though. 

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It's yours. 
Son. 

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I don't know why I didn't expect
that from an older gentleman. 

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I wouldn't either. 
Anyway that's my random tidbit 

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from the day. 
No one time. 

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My dad said something about 
being a tourist and I was like I

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feel like for some reason I 
think assume that you wouldn't 

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even know what Zodiac signs are 
weird and bizarre the vast and I

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was like why is it kind of 
Boggling my mind right now that 

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you even know what astrology is 
at all. 

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I know my parents have never 
talked about it, but I think all

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my dad probably knows is that 
he's a Taurus and that's it, the

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best. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, it's true. 
I don't know anything else about

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anybody else. 
I only know things about my 

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crushes. 
Mmm. 

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Yeah. 
Like, I only know, like, the 

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compatibility with me. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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So Ruby was born to a single mom
Katya who had her at 20 years 

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old. 
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she was really young. 
I think like less than two years

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old and I think the dad was 
abusive. 

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So they were on the run a lot. 
Like they were like, trying to 

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escape this. 
Dad, I guess is the story. 

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Dang, her mom was an artist and 
she was in grad school, when 

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Ruby was really young, and they 
really struggled financially. 

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Actually, they lived off baked 
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they would sleep on people sofas
and in their backyard Caravans 

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and staying with different 
relatives and just not a very 

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stable childhood. 
And at one point Ruby ended up 

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joining a church choir which 
allowed her and her mom to live 

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in the parish. 
Wow, in Melbourne. 

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Wow. 
Yeah. 

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Very tough life. 
They didn't even have a A TV and

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Ruby never really even 
considered acting because she 

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didn't watch TV, but she always 
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And she said to variety 
magazine, I wanted to write a 

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book for kids that were my age. 
I just wanted to have a way to 

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communicate and speak to kids 
like me who didn't have someone.

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I was just this kid who had no 
friends, who was super 

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unpopular, got bullied and got 
beaten up at school and was 

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like, I'm going to be a famous 
writer. 

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And got one reason why she was 
bullied so much is because she 

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was very much, not gender 
non-conforming she came out as 

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gay, I just 12 years old. 
And while her mom was incredibly

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supportive, the other kids at 
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it. 
I mean, this must have been the 

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90s 2000s early 2000s. 
I can't do math. 

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Yeah, she she was just 12 so 
she's won in 86. 

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Yeah, it's a nice, the 90s. 
Yeah. 

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She achieved her head and she 
also was, you know, poor as well

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and like people were just so 
mean I guess girls would write 

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we hate Ruby on the bathroom 
stalls and she even had to stop 

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going to the swimming pool 
because other girls would accuse

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her of looking at them. 
And so she was really depressed 

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and even suicidal as a kid, 
which is really sad. 

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And she has said that, like the 
boys would even Hit her and they

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would say, like I would never 
hit a girl, but you're not a 

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girl. 
And at one point, it got so bad 

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that she was outside of a coffee
shop across the street from her 

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school and four girls. 
And one guy brutally beat her up

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so badly that she got hit in the
head with a metal chair, and got

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a concussion and just very 
severe injuries, and had to be 

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hospitalized for several days, 
my God, that's serious and 50 

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other. 
Other students witnessed it from

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the coffee shop and her mom 
wanted to press charges but they

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were advised against it because 
they didn't have a lot of money 

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and it just would be really 
costly lengthy, legal battle, 

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but Ruby ended up transferring 
schools. 

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And she has said that kids who 
witnessed it have told her that 

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they had like PTSD from watching
it happen. 

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My God. 
Jesus. 

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Very tough. 
Tough upbringing. 

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Sure that has had a big effect 
on her and her personality in 

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2000. 
Fucked up. 

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Yeah, things started to turn 
around for her though. 

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She is a very beautiful person. 
She's absolutely stunning is and

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that is kind of her Saving Grace
here at 16. 

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She She joined this modeling 
competition for girlfriend model

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search, which is a magazine 
girlfriend magazine and 

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Australia. 
And she said she hated modeling 

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though. 
She said that she really didn't 

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like being constantly criticized
for her appearance, but it just 

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paid the bills and I'm gonna 
knock and say easy money. 

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But like it was yeah, an easy 
opportunity, not not even easy 

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but it was available to her 
because she was so beautiful. 

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And while modeling she worked as
a customer service 

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representative, and she did 
school. 

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And she also took acting 
classes. 

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And then in 2007, she entered a 
contest to be a host on MTV 

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Australia and she won and whoa 
after that She interviewed a lot

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of different people and did a 
lot of just like one-off gigs to

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doing red carpets. 
She also do Jade on the side and

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she made small appearances on. 
TV shows and she also was a 

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guest judge on Australia's Next 
Top Model. 

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So she really was like becoming 
a household name just kind of 

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you know getting her you know, 
foot in the door and different 

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different places and I'm 
guessing doing MTV is probably 

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how she met. 
Jess, I'm not sure, actually how

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they originally met but they 
first started dating in 2008. 

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That would make sense. 
Hmm. 

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Their first 2008? 
What a great time. 

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We're really good time. 
That's really the Pinnacle of 

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culture. 
So the phrase. 

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Yeah, well you can make up your 
own phrases. 

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Doesn't say existing ones. 
I don't know if it's the 

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Pinnacle I but I it was a good 
time. 

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It's a very distinct. 
So the ad they made their first 

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appearance as a couple In April 
of that year they were 22 and 24

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years old, just being the older 
one and they went to a fashion 

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show. 
Cool. 

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And yeah, that's all I know for 
Australian Fashion Week and I 

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don't think they were really 
reported on too much the next 

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time we see them. 
As, in October, the Veronica's 

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released their song. 
Take Me On the Floor, which has 

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a line that says, I want to kiss
a girl, Want to kiss a girl and 

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their music video. 
Also shows girls, making out and

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around this time, photos of Jess
and Ruby kissing at a bar and 

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cuddling and a restaurant came 
out and this led to people 

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online back then accusing Jess 
of being a faux lesbian for 

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publicity because it came out at
the same time that that song 

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came out once again. 
Yeah, once again we've learned 

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kids, don't peek. 
King. 

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Being a lesbian. 
Oh yeah. 

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No I literally read an article 
actually that was about this and

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even reference Lindsay Lohan. 
It's like, oh now it's cool to 

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be a lesbian, like all these 
fake lesbian? 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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They're talking about keeping 
the Phoebe Bridgers one. 

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I feel like, yes, they are Mills
kind of accusing her, or of 

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people pretending to be by or 
something. 

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Wait, snail mail was yeah, 
remember we do this is a tangent

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but remember she said like close
to pick if you're a by girl post

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a picture of your boyfriend. 
Yes. 

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And then Phoebe did it. 
Oh, I don't know. 

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That snail mail was like being 
accusatory. 

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Do we talk about that? 
We did. 

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Yeah, and you were like, oh, she
definitely did that on purpose 

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or yeah, you know, I didn't 
know. 

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I didn't know it's ill intention
though. 

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I thought it was on purpose, but
no, I think it was how that's 

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changed. 
Well, honestly, the comments on 

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that video. 
A lot of them are people like 

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debating Phoebe sexuality. 
It's like that's the kind of 

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like we posted this Tick-Tock 
that kind of got a lot of use. 

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A lot of people are fighting 
like in the comments. 

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I'm really not paying attention.
Into it anymore but I just see 

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like people like arguing about 
her being buy or not. 

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Buy like I don't understand why 
people feel the need to assume 

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somebody else's sexuality. 
But yeah, this also this also 

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was around debate. 
I know this was around the time 

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that I kissed a girl came out 
that song, very big song and I 

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could see. 
Like I was kind of, you know, I 

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was getting into the Discord at 
that time and I was like I can 

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kind of see where someone might 
be coming from that. 

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Like it's like very much 
sensationalize. 

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Something that is very detailed.
I could Trend. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, but I think that's a lots 

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of Plaisance. 
Like you can't be like oh the 

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straight girl from The Veronicas
is pretending to be gay because 

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it's like you don't know her at 
all. 

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You can't say that and yeah he's
not so yeah, she was asked about

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this and she says that was the 
most ridiculously degrading 

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thing to say. 
If a celebrity doesn't come out 

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and make a statement about their
sexuality, they're a fake 

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lesbian, what happened to 
privacy? 

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People say, we set up shots. 
Have people stalking us with 

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cameras all the time. 
Are you fucking kidding me? 

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I'm not going to be tricked into
feeling like I have to make a 

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statement about something 
because everyone wants 

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confirmation. 
I'll just live my life how I 

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want. 
If they want to call me a fake 

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lesbian and degrade my sexuality
and my choices, go ahead. 

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I'll just ignore it which is so 
true. 

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It's like they're really forcing
her to like say, oh I'm gay 

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because they're like accusing 
her of being straight. 

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It's kind of weird. 
I know. 

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So was this the first time she 
had been in a relationship with 

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a woman? 
I don't at least to the pulse of

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the public I think she had had 
experiences previously. 

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Yeah, I know that is stressful. 
I think that's people come 

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people kind of do that. 
Now to when it comes to casting 

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for roles like they're like, oh,
you can't cast reactors in like 

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gay Parts, like that's kind of 
bad. 

458
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,700
I think too. 
To force actors to disclose 

459
00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:59,800
their sexuality to play a part 
in like you can't. 

460
00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:04,600
I don't really get the why 
people say that like are they 

461
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,300
just saying that people should 
get representation or something?

462
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,400
Yeah, really it's about. 
It's about the character. 

463
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,300
Like, no offense, the actor 
doesn't really matter. 

464
00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:16,700
They're playing a character. 
We shouldn't have to even care 

465
00:29:16,900 --> 00:29:20,000
or know who the actor is. 
I mean, obviously we do all get 

466
00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:23,100
swept up in the fascination and 
stuff but like an actor. 

467
00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:25,600
They're to play a character. 
It's about the writing is what 

468
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,000
the characters. 
It shouldn't be about the actor.

469
00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:31,000
Yeah, exactly. 
Because that's the point of 

470
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,800
acting. 
I think it's a little 

471
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,800
homophobic. 
I feel that imply that like a 

472
00:29:34,808 --> 00:29:39,000
straight person couldn't 
possibly like play a gay person 

473
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,700
to, I don't know. 
Yeah, isn't it? 

474
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,400
I mean, people say it's fluid. 
I don't know. 

475
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,900
Yeah. 
It's you don't know, someone's 

476
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:57,500
Love life or innermost feelings 
and not II mean I understand to 

477
00:29:57,500 --> 00:30:01,500
an extent like oh like they're 
like there's not enough 

478
00:30:01,500 --> 00:30:05,600
opportunities for queer actors. 
So like we need to allow them 

479
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,000
for the roles that are not meant
for them but like but they 

480
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,500
should be able to play straight 
people to, you know. 

481
00:30:12,500 --> 00:30:14,400
Yeah, exactly. 
I just think it's a dangerous 

482
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:19,200
precedent that like people had 
to tell you their sexuality to 

483
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,900
get a part. 
Yeah, even if it's like, kind of

484
00:30:22,900 --> 00:30:26,300
well intention that doesn't 
sound good. 

485
00:30:27,300 --> 00:30:30,100
As I say, the road to hell is 
paved with good intentions. 

486
00:30:30,100 --> 00:30:35,200
That's so true. 
So let's see. 

487
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,700
So then there's the Aria Awards 
in 2008 and just tons with her 

488
00:30:39,700 --> 00:30:43,000
sister Lisa. 
Well, I think Rosie Ruby is 

489
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,400
working the event for MTV. 
But interestingly enough there 

490
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,400
are reports that Ruby was 
spotted kissing singer. 

491
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,300
Vanessa amuro. 
See backstage. 

492
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,100
What? 
And apparently, the two were 

493
00:30:55,100 --> 00:31:00,900
pretty drunk blasphemy, Vanessa.
Actually this woman, she was 

494
00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:02,800
kissing who. 
I don't, I'm not too familiar 

495
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,700
with, but apparently she had a 
boyfriend at the time and a 

496
00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:09,500
spokesperson then said we can 
confirm Vanessa is not bisexual.

497
00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:15,300
She has a boyfriend in Allah. 
Once again, why do we need to 

498
00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:20,500
confirm someone sexuality? 
Yeah, we can confirm. 

499
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:25,200
Firm also don't like it is not 
bisexual, that's not confirming 

500
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,600
or denying that she was kissing 
Ruby, though. 

501
00:31:29,300 --> 00:31:30,900
That's true. 
That's true. 

502
00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:39,000
So that's also her boyfriend is 
in l.a. that's pretty far that 

503
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,900
is, but things are okay between 
the couple. 

504
00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:46,500
I think they celebrated jessa's 
24th birthday later that month 

505
00:31:46,500 --> 00:31:49,600
in December in Sydney, with 100 
close friends. 

506
00:31:50,300 --> 00:31:53,900
And Jesse's ex-boyfriend 
actually attends the one that 

507
00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:56,900
went missing so he's okay. 
Oh, okay, good. 

508
00:31:56,900 --> 00:31:59,400
Yeah. 
But it's so funny though because

509
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,900
I was literally like searching 
like Azaria found like I 

510
00:32:02,900 --> 00:32:05,700
couldn't find anything that like
reported and then he was at the 

511
00:32:05,700 --> 00:32:08,100
party was at the party though. 
So yeah. 

512
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,900
Happy to see that. 
It's cool. 

513
00:32:10,900 --> 00:32:14,900
Doing a totally Australian 
episode. 

514
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,400
I know anyone from Australia 
listening. 

515
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,400
Hi. 
Good day, mate. 

516
00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:26,100
But then their relationship must
have ended because what it seems

517
00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:29,000
like they broke up and that's 
the episode. 

518
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,100
Where just getting a they did 
break up though. 

519
00:32:32,500 --> 00:32:36,500
I was about to lose it they did 
and they both went on to date 

520
00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:42,700
other people Ruby in 2009 dated 
Australian model Lindsay and and

521
00:32:42,700 --> 00:32:45,800
they were reportedly engaged. 
But then called it off. 

522
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,400
What? 
And this relationship even 

523
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,500
included a very messy and 
dramatically. 

524
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,700
Of triangle with Australian Top 
Model contestant Lola van 

525
00:32:54,700 --> 00:32:59,500
voorhis who I think was dumped 
by Lindsay for Ruby but then I'm

526
00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:03,900
really confused because it seems
like then Lola and Ruby dated so

527
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,700
oh wow I don't know that's a lot
of drama. 

528
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,900
Same here Ruby also dated 
Australian model Catherine 

529
00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:18,400
McNeil and they also got engaged
but called it all. 

530
00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:20,400
What engaged again? 
Yeah. 

531
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:25,800
Yes, I'm Googling. 
These women are very pretty. 

532
00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:31,000
Also that year, unrelated to 
anything actually in 2010, Ruby 

533
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,800
tweeted. 
I'm sorry, but Kristen Stewart, 

534
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,600
has to be a lesbian. 
I don't mean to stereotype, but 

535
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,300
isn't it? 
Obvious? 

536
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,400
Which is like, yes, Kristen, I 
don't want to date women, but 

537
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:48,200
I'm pretty sure that's a big 
No-No until like to out people 

538
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,800
like that. 
I know. 

539
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,200
But Even though it was 13 years 
ago, it was, it was a different 

540
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,900
time. 
Yeah. 

541
00:33:56,700 --> 00:34:00,200
It definitely is not cool. 
But I feel like people just said

542
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,000
stuff like that all the time. 
I know they really did 

543
00:34:03,100 --> 00:34:06,900
especially like at this point 
like Twitter is so new. 

544
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,500
People were really running wild.
He's a wild west. 

545
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:16,600
Yeah, meanwhile just went on to 
date The Smashing Pumpkins 

546
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,500
singer-songwriter Billy Corgan 
for two years. 

547
00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:21,900
Oh, they broke up. 
A poem 2012. 

548
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:29,100
So at the same time, Ruby's 
career is going in a different 

549
00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:31,000
direction. 
So she really wanted to be taken

550
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,600
seriously as an actress. 
So she moved to LA in 2012 and 

551
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,800
at this time, she really 
struggled to obtain an agent or 

552
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,600
a manager. 
All the business people that she

553
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:46,699
met told her that they wanted 
her to do reality TV instead 

554
00:34:46,699 --> 00:34:50,500
because there was no openly gay 
woman on reality TV. 

555
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,000
These are there like you would 
be a huge hit in this area but 

556
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,400
she didn't want to do that. 
She wanted to act seriously. 

557
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,600
So in 2014, she produced her own
short film called Break Free 

558
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,200
where she fights back against 
gender norms for women. 

559
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,300
It's honestly pretty simple 
concept. 

560
00:35:07,300 --> 00:35:11,900
Like she's dressed very feminine
and then she like, takes off her

561
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:17,100
wig and then she takes Earth. 
If she cuts her hair, she takes 

562
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:19,700
her makeup off, and she changes 
her clothes, and then she looks 

563
00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:22,100
more masculine. 
And but it was a pretty big 

564
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:24,800
video for the time within the 
first two weeks. 

565
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,100
She got 5 million views, and I 
think it has 40 million views 

566
00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:29,200
now. 
Wow. 

567
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,200
And that video really led to her
success. 

568
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,100
She ended up getting cast on 
Orange, Is the New Black as the 

569
00:35:37,100 --> 00:35:41,200
character Stella Carlin, who is 
an inmate who gets locked up 

570
00:35:41,500 --> 00:35:44,400
while being abroad. 
So she still Australian on the 

571
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,600
show. 
Okay. 

572
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,100
So this wasn't, this wasn't like
season one right now. 

573
00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:52,600
I think it's like season 2. 
Oh, okay, because I feel like I 

574
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,600
was just thinking to myself, 
remembering do you remember when

575
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,900
Orange is the New? 
Black was like the first show? 

576
00:35:58,300 --> 00:36:01,900
They would stream on Netflix. 
That was a Netflix original. 

577
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,400
Remember thinking it was so 
weird. 

578
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,600
Like, what Netflix is making 
shows now? 

579
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,300
Like, I don't know, it was, it 
was a huge deal. 

580
00:36:11,300 --> 00:36:13,500
Yeah. 
And it was a huge hit to. 

581
00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:19,300
It was, did you watch it? 
No, I just watched the first 

582
00:36:19,300 --> 00:36:24,800
season, okay, it was okay, I 
didn't like love it, or hate it,

583
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,400
to be honest with you. 
Some people of people loved it. 

584
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,700
Yeah, it was a hit. 
Yeah, Pete and people loved her 

585
00:36:31,700 --> 00:36:36,800
character as you mentioned. 
She was really big on Tumblr. 

586
00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:40,000
I don't, I'm, I don't know. 
I remember to remember, like, 

587
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,700
Orange is the New Black being 
big in general on Tumblr, but 

588
00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:45,200
because I didn't watch it, I 
just kind of scrolled past all 

589
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,900
that stuff, but But she mostly 
interesting lie. 

590
00:36:47,900 --> 00:36:51,000
Not gained a lot of attention 
from straight by men. 

591
00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:52,700
Yeah. 
They were like obsessed with her

592
00:36:52,700 --> 00:36:55,700
beauty and like it was the kind 
of the thing was like, oh, she's

593
00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:58,700
like the woman that we would go 
gay for was that thing? 

594
00:36:59,700 --> 00:37:01,700
Yeah. 
I remember people saying that 

595
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,300
the this one article about her 
says, Rose resembles an 

596
00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:10,200
androgynous Angelina Jolie. 
She is a rare combination of 

597
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,800
angular and soft. 
She's a badass with a 

598
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,200
permanently arched brow and a 
Justin Bieber haircut. 

599
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,000
In other words, she is a lesbian
James Dean and straight. 

600
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,100
Women are falling madly in love 
with her. 

601
00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:26,300
It was written by Emma Beetle of
Maclean's. 

602
00:37:26,300 --> 00:37:30,900
The Canadian news magazine and I
like that at this time, she's 

603
00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:36,500
dating DJ Lauren abedini and 
then I don't know, something 

604
00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:38,200
must happened. 
They must have broken up because

605
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:42,600
in 2013, Ruby began publicly 
dating American fashion designer

606
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:47,400
Phoebe doll and they got engaged
after only two, Two months, but 

607
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,700
it's our third engaging. 
Oh, my God, they broke up in 

608
00:37:51,700 --> 00:37:54,000
2015, baby. 
Doll. 

609
00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:57,000
Two months. 
Isn't that crazy people, some 

610
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,300
people get engaged in that time.
It's yeah, that wow. 

611
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:10,300
Oh my gold crazy and days later 
after her breakup with Phoebe 

612
00:38:10,300 --> 00:38:14,100
doll, Ruby was spotted out with 
Halls Lee and there were rumors 

613
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:18,700
that they had a fling. 
And I think they probably did 

614
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:23,600
there were some flirty Tweety it
but not sure another fling that 

615
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:28,300
she had supposedly before. 
Jess was Demi Lovato actually 

616
00:38:28,500 --> 00:38:33,000
really hmm in October Ruby 
tweeted. 

617
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,600
I think I'll take a few days off
of social media, while Demi, 

618
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,200
Lovato's friends attack me for 
being a scorned ex-lover. 

619
00:38:40,300 --> 00:38:42,900
Get over it. 
I like the hair. 

620
00:38:44,900 --> 00:38:49,000
What does a hair mean? 
I think, like Demi, maybe just 

621
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,100
like had cut her hair or 
something, I'm not sure. 

622
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,800
Then Demi Lovato fans freaked 
out. 

623
00:38:55,900 --> 00:38:59,400
And so then we tweeted, I'm the 
one person Demi has slept with 

624
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,400
that. 
Didn't sell naked photos of her.

625
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:09,600
So F 0. 
Oh my gosh, but now you're 

626
00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:12,900
talking about sleeping with her.
I think that's kind of worse. 

627
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,200
Why were they mad when I hurt to
begin with? 

628
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,500
I don't know, but I don't know 
why she took it to Twitter. 

629
00:39:21,500 --> 00:39:24,800
This kind of attention seeking 
it is. 

630
00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:28,700
I just randomly Googled Phoebe 
doll, cause I was like, oh, it 

631
00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:29,800
sounds familiar. 
I don't know. 

632
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,200
And I don't know if I've heard 
of her before, but apparently, 

633
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,900
her grandfather was Roald Dahl. 
Oh, isn't that crazy? 

634
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:43,600
It is crazy. 
Anyway, that makes sense I do. 

635
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,500
It's really common name. 
Little nipple titties. 

636
00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:52,700
Yeah, totally. 
And then Ruby also tweeted about

637
00:39:52,700 --> 00:39:54,500
that Demi Lovato. 
Exchanged? 

638
00:39:54,500 --> 00:39:56,000
What just happened to me on 
Instagram. 

639
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,900
Wasn't very nice and I 
retaliated, because I stood up 

640
00:39:58,900 --> 00:40:02,200
for myself, it's all sorted out.
Now, back to business. 

641
00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:08,400
I do think she has a very, she's
very low impulse control, when 

642
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,300
it comes to social media, And 
can be a little attention 

643
00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:16,300
seeking and that will be a theme
throughout this episode. 

644
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,700
Oh, and Demi. 
She was interviewed about this, 

645
00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:23,600
and she said rumors are rumors, 
and people are going to spread 

646
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,800
them. 
You can believe what you want. 

647
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,400
But no, I was not in a 
relationship with her by the 

648
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,900
way. 
Love is fluid. 

649
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,300
So I think they probably did 
hook up. 

650
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:39,200
Probably, and then gesso also 
dated musician, Josh cats of the

651
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,200
band Bad flower. 
For two years until 2016. 

652
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,800
She likes musicians make sense. 
They have that in common. 

653
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:52,600
Mmm. 
So then Ruby and Jess reunited 

654
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,400
in 2016 when Ruby wrote and 
directed The Veronicas music 

655
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,400
video for their single on your 
side. 

656
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,800
And in this music video, Ruby 
also stars in it and like they 

657
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,800
are acting as a couple. 
They're making out there doing 

658
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:14,200
my God. 
Things like Very romantic and 

659
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,300
sexual exes. 
Wait. 

660
00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:19,700
So how long had it been since 
they broke up? 

661
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:25,300
Eight years? 
Wow, a long time but they had 

662
00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:28,400
stayed friends, I think, but 
they weren't. 

663
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:32,800
Oh, they weren't romantic or 
anything before this from they 

664
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,400
broke up and then the music 
video. 

665
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,600
Like, rubies character has an 
overdose and I wasn't really 

666
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,900
sure if that was Has to be 
representative of something that

667
00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:45,700
happened and they're real 
relationship. 

668
00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:51,900
Because when asked about this 
music video just said, it's me, 

669
00:41:52,300 --> 00:41:55,500
me and Ruby Rose. 
And it's our love story in the 

670
00:41:55,500 --> 00:41:58,100
video. 
It's about the dynamic, the 

671
00:41:58,100 --> 00:42:01,500
highs and the lows of people and
love in a relationship. 

672
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,100
Wow, she also said we have been 
friends for eight years, a 

673
00:42:05,107 --> 00:42:08,700
really long time and it just was
honestly the craziest thing. 

674
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,700
We just reconnected over. 
This video, she wrote and 

675
00:42:12,707 --> 00:42:17,000
directed it and is in it with us
and we just sort of fell in love

676
00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:19,100
again. 
Yeah, I guess so. 

677
00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:21,700
And she also said they back 
together back together. 

678
00:42:21,700 --> 00:42:24,500
Like they got they found them 
while shooting the music video. 

679
00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:27,000
This is, this was like they're 
coming off as a couple. 

680
00:42:28,300 --> 00:42:31,300
And she also said, she reminds 
me exactly how much last time 

681
00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:34,000
definitely happened. 
She doesn't let me forget 

682
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,100
anything. 
I don't know, it's just crazy. 

683
00:42:36,100 --> 00:42:38,400
A crazy thing. 
When you care about someone for 

684
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,000
so long and then you have the 
chance to be able Able to 

685
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,000
reconnect, we've grown up a lot.
We met very early on and we were

686
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,900
very different people. 
Wow. 

687
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:52,600
I know you believe that is our 
really eight years. 

688
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,900
Is a really long time to 
reconnect. 

689
00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:56,800
Yeah. 
But when they were doing the 

690
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,800
video where they at that point, 
they were still exes. 

691
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,700
But I kind of didn't understand 
that because she was like, it's 

692
00:43:03,700 --> 00:43:08,900
our love story, easy. 
I can't really imagine doing 

693
00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:13,900
making a story with my ex about 
our relationship, but I know. 

694
00:43:13,900 --> 00:43:17,600
Wow, I know, I feel like that's 
like, it's really sweet and not 

695
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,700
to expect that you're going to 
get back together. 

696
00:43:23,300 --> 00:43:24,100
Oh my gosh. 
Yeah. 

697
00:43:24,100 --> 00:43:26,100
Oh, definitely. 
Bring up feelings. 

698
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,700
Yeah, I do reminds me of on the 
show Girls. 

699
00:43:30,700 --> 00:43:33,400
I don't know if you remember 
this, but like Adam started 

700
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,400
making a movie, some kind of 
short film, or they were like 

701
00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:41,500
acting out him and Hannah and 
then it made him like want to be

702
00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:45,800
back with him. 
Mmm, spoiler, then didn't work 

703
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,300
out. 
I think that happens with 

704
00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:50,400
artists. 
Yeah, we're just hos. 

705
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,600
Artists. 
They relive their relationship. 

706
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:55,400
Yeah. 
Fall in love. 

707
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,500
All of that is really cool. 
Hmm. 

708
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,800
And Ruby post on Instagram a 
photo of her and dress and beds 

709
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,100
together in lingerie. 
I think from the music video and

710
00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:09,400
captioned it on your side, and I
didn't realize. 

711
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,400
But just at this time, is also 
just to give you a historical 

712
00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:16,400
context. 
She is a member of Taylor 

713
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:22,900
Swift's Squad at this time. 
Oh, Was she in the Bad Blood 

714
00:44:22,900 --> 00:44:24,500
music? 
I think she was. 

715
00:44:24,500 --> 00:44:27,000
Yeah. 
Oh, and she, and her views 

716
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,700
refers to Taylor as her best 
friend. 

717
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,400
Okay, that's interesting. 
Yeah, because I think they are 

718
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,200
close friends, but I don't think
they're best friends. 

719
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:41,300
And I think, I don't want to say
that's like a little bit, not 

720
00:44:41,300 --> 00:44:43,700
attention-seeking. 
But like, I just think it's a 

721
00:44:43,700 --> 00:44:46,400
little bit of a stretch, but I 
don't know, I don't know. 

722
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,900
Hmm, there has so many so-called
best friend. 

723
00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:52,300
I know. 
No, it's impossible to have that

724
00:44:52,300 --> 00:44:55,500
many best friends like what 
happened to Lourdes to? 

725
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,900
You're so right. 
Do they even talk? 

726
00:44:58,900 --> 00:45:02,100
They were they were like best 
friend, God, really? 

727
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,300
I mean it was that was a 
criticism of Taylor at the time 

728
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:12,200
that like every time a woman was
like up-and-coming and Hollywood

729
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,700
a music scene that she would 
like take them under her wing 

730
00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:17,500
and like put them in her Squad. 
So they were always kind of like

731
00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:20,400
in the background of her still. 
Yeah. 

732
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,900
Am I don't think intense Lord. 
I think she said something once 

733
00:45:24,900 --> 00:45:28,400
because she lives in New Zealand
pretty much all most of the 

734
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,600
year, most of the time. 
And I think she said something 

735
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,200
once like I don't hang out with 
those people, I don't know. 

736
00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:38,700
I think I said I'm sure they 
hung out and had good times. 

737
00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:43,200
But yeah anyway but definitely 
end up the squad stuff. 

738
00:45:44,900 --> 00:45:49,100
Then in December Paparazzi 
stamps photos of Ruby and just 

739
00:45:49,100 --> 00:45:52,300
embracing each other. 
While on a break from a photo 

740
00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:56,200
shoot and the two of them along 
with Jess has twin sister. 

741
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:01,800
Lisa went to the secrets of the 
lake rainforest Retreat and 

742
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,600
Australia for Christmas and they
posted a picture on Instagram 

743
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,400
together. 
Hmm, nice. 

744
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:13,000
And then it's 2017 Ruby stars in
the XXX sequel, the return of 

745
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,600
examined. 
Ur cage, never, honestly, never 

746
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,200
heard of this. 
I think something that people 

747
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:23,600
are fans of but Totally wasn't 
ever on my radar. 

748
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,800
To be honest with you, was it 
like graded, exercise something?

749
00:46:26,900 --> 00:46:29,500
No, it's like an ad. 
Oh dang. 

750
00:46:29,700 --> 00:46:31,400
Oh, you haven't heard of it 
either. 

751
00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:39,400
No, they've been diesel. 
Oh, one of those things, but the

752
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:43,100
to attend the premiere together,
they walk the red carpet and 

753
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:45,700
Ruby says, Jess is the most 
amazing person. 

754
00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:48,900
We just Jam every night. 
We play music and sing and cook 

755
00:46:48,900 --> 00:46:51,700
dinner and she's amazing. 
Raising, she's wonderful. 

756
00:46:51,700 --> 00:46:55,100
She's always such a moral 
support for me a moral compass. 

757
00:46:55,100 --> 00:46:59,100
I'm glad she came tonight. 
I can't believe it's still just 

758
00:46:59,100 --> 00:47:01,800
so cool that they got back 
together after eight years. 

759
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,600
I know. 
It's very sweet. 

760
00:47:03,700 --> 00:47:06,900
It's really sweet. 
I feel like it's tough because I

761
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:09,900
know the full story so like I'm 
not as like, wow! 

762
00:47:09,900 --> 00:47:12,100
It's amazing. 
Okay. 

763
00:47:12,100 --> 00:47:19,900
Okay. 
Alright keep people also, take 

764
00:47:19,900 --> 00:47:22,600
you back to the Time, like, 
people really shipping this 

765
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,400
couple actually, like they had a
really good following, 

766
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:30,300
especially on Tumblr people that
mean they just seemed like not 

767
00:47:30,300 --> 00:47:35,700
to use this for to camp at the 
Pinnacle of Love at this time 

768
00:47:35,700 --> 00:47:40,800
especially like as an openly 
like lesbian couple and young. 

769
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,300
Yeah, beautiful. 
Like they really seemed like 

770
00:47:44,300 --> 00:47:48,900
they were as one would say like 
goals, you know? 

771
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,800
Very sweet. 
Yeah, that happens on his 

772
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,200
pocket. 
I felt that way, during the 

773
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,900
Scott Fitzgerald and Zelda 1, 
you're like, oh cute. 

774
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:05,500
And I'm just like, yeah, yeah, 
if that's all I knew. 

775
00:48:05,500 --> 00:48:09,900
Yeah. 
So then in February of 2017, 

776
00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:14,200
rubies interviewed for the Mark,
Mark issue of Cosmopolitan and 

777
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,800
she says about their 
relationship. 

778
00:48:16,900 --> 00:48:19,300
It was the last thing I expected
to happen, but when you're 

779
00:48:19,300 --> 00:48:22,800
involved in something, Your 
passion, both passionate about, 

780
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,000
It's Not Unusual to become 
attracted. 

781
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,400
We're now the people, we wish we
were back then, and in the same 

782
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,800
article, she says that she has a
very healthy sex life and that 

783
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,500
she likes to explore and she 
also says that she's not looking

784
00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:39,700
to get married anytime soon and 
that according to the media, 

785
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:44,300
she's been engaged 5 times. 
But she does not say, but she 

786
00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:46,800
does say that she wants kids 
someday and that a long-term 

787
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:51,900
partnership is important to her.
Okay, according to the media 

788
00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:55,500
five times, but has been three, 
right? 

789
00:48:56,100 --> 00:49:01,100
I think. 
Oh my God, she's like Brad Pitt.

790
00:49:01,100 --> 00:49:04,900
I know it is a lot of Fielding 
management. 

791
00:49:04,900 --> 00:49:10,300
Wow, on Valentine's Day, Ruby 
post a collage of throwback 

792
00:49:10,300 --> 00:49:14,400
pictures and she captions that 
we have some pretty. 

793
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,900
We have made some pretty bad 
decisions in our lives mostly 

794
00:49:17,900 --> 00:49:22,400
fashion-related. 
But one decision we never 

795
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,500
regretted is love each other. 
Happy Valentine's Day, just 

796
00:49:26,500 --> 00:49:31,100
Jessica and then just commented.
Six emojis, including one of two

797
00:49:31,100 --> 00:49:34,300
girls, kissing a love, heart and
a lipstick kiss. 

798
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:38,200
And then in March, they're 
somewhat long distance. 

799
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,900
Ruby is filming two movies in 
the United States Meg and Pitch.

800
00:49:42,900 --> 00:49:46,500
Perfect 3, which I didn't even 
know that they made a Pitch, 

801
00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:51,700
Perfect 3 to do it. 
I don't think so but I never saw

802
00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:56,000
the second one. 
Eat me neither, I did know about

803
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,400
the Meg though. 
Yeah, I liked Pitch. 

804
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:04,000
Perfect one. 
But I didn't feel like I needed 

805
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,800
to see. 
Like, what happened? 

806
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,800
Yeah, as long as of you see 
what? 

807
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,200
What happens next? 
Yeah, I do think Pitch. 

808
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:24,700
Perfect was Very another, like, 
what symbol of the times of like

809
00:50:24,700 --> 00:50:28,900
the early 2010's as well. 
Yeah, acapella was in. 

810
00:50:28,900 --> 00:50:34,800
Hi. 
Yeah, just the quirky nerdy but 

811
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,800
I'm going up song. 
People get him really obsessed 

812
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:45,500
with like cup instruments. 
Yeah, but didn't actually is in 

813
00:50:45,500 --> 00:50:48,000
that. 
Yeah, she was in the Third one, 

814
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:53,700
at least maybe the second one 
today but seems like despite the

815
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:56,000
distance, they're really making 
it work. 

816
00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:59,500
When she has a few days off, 
Ruby actually flies from LA, to 

817
00:50:59,500 --> 00:51:03,900
Sydney to spend just a few days 
with just, for the Sydney, gay 

818
00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:06,900
and lesbian Mardi. 
Gras wear dresses performing. 

819
00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:11,000
So really, a world win trip for 
world. 

820
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,800
When one's? 
Yeah, we're willing Wednesday, 

821
00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:17,800
next month. 
Adjusting Ruby are Added to be 

822
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,700
house hunting together after 
they were spotted touring Jared 

823
00:51:21,700 --> 00:51:25,900
Leto's two million dollar La 
home, which was listed for sale 

824
00:51:26,100 --> 00:51:28,100
by God. 
I wasn't, they bought it though,

825
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:31,200
but they were photographed at 
the open house. 

826
00:51:32,300 --> 00:51:36,000
And in the same month it seems 
like they take a trip together 

827
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:40,300
to somewhere mountainous and 
foresti not really sure where 

828
00:51:40,300 --> 00:51:44,700
but just posts a photo to her 
Instagram and which Ruby is 

829
00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:47,700
topless. 
And she's facing the scenery and

830
00:51:47,700 --> 00:51:50,300
she captions it. 
There's something beautiful 

831
00:51:50,300 --> 00:51:53,300
about disappearing somewhere. 
No one else can find you. 

832
00:51:53,300 --> 00:51:56,500
Accept the only person you never
need to hide from. 

833
00:51:56,700 --> 00:52:01,200
Oh, interestingly enough this 
same month? 

834
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,700
Ruby on follows. 
Jess has twin sister Lisa on 

835
00:52:05,700 --> 00:52:08,300
social media. 
What? 

836
00:52:08,300 --> 00:52:10,000
That's not good. 
Mmm. 

837
00:52:10,300 --> 00:52:15,900
So what check back with that 
later, people noticed that 

838
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,800
people noticed that, yeah, only 
a few people at the time but 

839
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,600
then it became a more important 
detail later on. 

840
00:52:24,500 --> 00:52:29,700
Okay, but for now things seem OK
and may just post a photo to her

841
00:52:29,700 --> 00:52:34,500
Instagram of a 64. 
Can Telecaster guitar, that Ruby

842
00:52:34,500 --> 00:52:38,700
gifted her which is valued at 
around 4,000 dollars. 

843
00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:41,400
Hmm. 
In the following month, just 

844
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,300
tells reporters that she's 
teaching Ruby. 

845
00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:46,800
How to play guitar in June. 
They attend the glamour Woman of

846
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,600
the Year Awards together and 
they hold hands on the red 

847
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,300
carpet and Jess. 
Where's all white? 

848
00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:55,600
And Ruby wears all black and 
they just look very yin and yang

849
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,100
and it's very beautiful, very 
cute. 

850
00:52:58,100 --> 00:53:03,700
And an August just and her twin 
sister Isa fly home to Brisbane 

851
00:53:04,100 --> 00:53:07,000
to sadly, visit their mother 
Colleen. 

852
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,300
Who was very sick. 
She at the time they didn't 

853
00:53:10,300 --> 00:53:12,800
know, like what like what was 
wrong with her. 

854
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:17,700
But now we know she had a very 
rare brain disorder called 

855
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:23,900
Progressive supranuclear, palsy 
which causes neurological 

856
00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:27,100
issues, including speech 
impairment and dementia. 

857
00:53:28,100 --> 00:53:30,500
That's so sad. 
It's really sad. 

858
00:53:30,500 --> 00:53:33,000
And they did, they did. 
Like, what was wrong with their 

859
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,600
mom, but she was very sick and I
think she kept getting 

860
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:41,200
misdiagnosed with things and 
Ruby flew down with Jess for 

861
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:48,100
support and Jess posted a photo 
of her and they're like, the 

862
00:53:48,100 --> 00:53:52,100
twins is Mom Colleen. 
And Colleen is sitting on Ruby's

863
00:53:52,100 --> 00:53:56,500
lap, and the hospital, and the 
captain says loves of my life 

864
00:53:56,500 --> 00:53:59,900
Ruby and a butterfly headband, 
GIF gift in Care. 

865
00:53:59,900 --> 00:54:03,300
Bear slippers to my Pixie, Mama 
and matching flannel is my 

866
00:54:03,300 --> 00:54:07,500
favorite thing about today. 
So, it does seem like Ruby was 

867
00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:11,600
like a very solid support system
through that, which is nice. 

868
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:17,900
So, sad, I know, it's really, 
really sad, then in October. 

869
00:54:18,500 --> 00:54:23,200
It's the, the Aria Awards is 
announced which is the 

870
00:54:23,300 --> 00:54:28,100
Australian Grammys and, okay, I 
don't think I said that earlier 

871
00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:34,600
and the, on your side The video,
which is the one that just and 

872
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,500
Ruby starred in. 
It was not nominated for the 

873
00:54:37,500 --> 00:54:43,600
best music video, which is a fan
voted category and just got 

874
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:47,100
really upset about this. 
It wasn't nominated, okay? 

875
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,800
Just got really upset about this
and she put on Twitter, nothing 

876
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,700
like having on your side past 20
million views, tackle real 

877
00:54:55,700 --> 00:55:01,400
issues, LGBT visibility and 
still not get a Best vid nod by.

878
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:06,100
At Aria official. 
And she also tweeted, can't wait

879
00:55:06,100 --> 00:55:09,800
for the equality theme. 
They push this year whilst 

880
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:14,500
knobbing the most-watched LGBT 
video of the year because of ego

881
00:55:14,500 --> 00:55:20,300
and politics and after this 
away, how are they nominated? 

882
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,900
So they weren't nominated. 
No, I mean you said that it was 

883
00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:26,900
a fan voted. 
Oh yeah. 

884
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,300
So how were the nominations 
determined? 

885
00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:32,400
Also the nominations. 
I think our Herman by the 

886
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,900
academy. 
Okay, but then when it's like 

887
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,200
actually time to pick the 
winner, that's a fan voted one. 

888
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:45,400
I think I don't like it. 
When people don't cook, when 

889
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,500
people complain about not 
getting home. 

890
00:55:47,500 --> 00:55:50,700
For ya know, feels really 
entitled to me. 

891
00:55:50,700 --> 00:55:54,700
Well, you know who didn't like, 
it either was, who Jesse's twin 

892
00:55:54,700 --> 00:55:58,500
sister Lisa. 
Because, after this, there were 

893
00:55:58,500 --> 00:56:02,000
a ton of headlines that were 
saying like The Veronicas Slam 

894
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,600
the Aria Awards. 
And so then Lisa posted Jessica 

895
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,100
Veronica, not the Veronica's on 
Twitter. 

896
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:14,200
Oh, so this led to people 
speculating that the two sisters

897
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,500
were feuding and then people 
started to catch on to the fact 

898
00:56:17,500 --> 00:56:20,500
that they haven't even posted 
any photos together and many 

899
00:56:20,500 --> 00:56:24,300
months. 
Oh my hmm. 

900
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,100
But I could see being Lisa and 
being like being pissed about 

901
00:56:29,100 --> 00:56:32,300
that because it's like I don't 
want like you said it's like 

902
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,100
even if like you feel like you 
had been robbed for an award 

903
00:56:36,100 --> 00:56:41,500
like it's just I don't know it 
feels very entitled to me, I 

904
00:56:41,508 --> 00:56:43,900
don't know. 
I hate it personally when people

905
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,900
complain about not getting 
Awards it's just there's so few 

906
00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:51,700
people can get nominated and I 
don't know. 

907
00:56:52,500 --> 00:56:56,600
I think it's very, I mean, it's 
new Like, sometimes I do think 

908
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,700
like people are very obviously 
robbed when they should have 

909
00:56:59,700 --> 00:57:04,400
gotten nominated and like and 
and there are time, but it's 

910
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,600
subject. 
It is really subjective but 

911
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,200
sometimes like especially like I
can understand what it's like. 

912
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:10,700
Okay. 
Like sometimes Oscars, it's like

913
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,800
all the nominees or why it or 
something like, it's like, I 

914
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,600
understand. 
Like, as a whole like being 

915
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:21,000
like, okay, this seems like a 
very biased selection of films, 

916
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,100
but in this one instance, it's 
like what if your music video 

917
00:57:24,100 --> 00:57:26,800
wasn't actually? 
Lee like up to par with 

918
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:31,000
everything else. 
What if I haven't seen it? 

919
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,700
I'm sure it's great. 
But like what if it just wasn't 

920
00:57:33,700 --> 00:57:36,900
the best? 
What if they prefer the other 

921
00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:39,400
ones? 
Yeah, they can't they can't just

922
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,800
give it to you because I don't 
know. 

923
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:49,200
Yeah, it's tough. 
And I just think it also, I'm 

924
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,400
sure if you're Lisa you're like 
hey I don't want to spoil our 

925
00:57:52,700 --> 00:57:57,900
relationship with the Australian
recording artists Association. 

926
00:57:57,900 --> 00:58:00,700
And like, I don't, I don't want 
us to, like, have a bad 

927
00:58:00,700 --> 00:58:02,800
relationship with them, moving 
forward. 

928
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:07,800
Yeah, yeah. 
So speak for yourself. 

929
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,500
So, then a month, later, same 
sex. 

930
00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:13,500
So I don't even realize this 
same-sex. 

931
00:58:13,500 --> 00:58:15,800
Marriage wasn't even legal yet 
in Australia. 

932
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:22,100
Oh, but a month later, the 
Australian people voted in a 

933
00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:25,100
survey that they wanted to 
Legalize It. 

934
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,900
Ian wide. 
This was 2017. 

935
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,900
Yep, it's not crazy. 
Wow. 

936
00:58:31,700 --> 00:58:33,100
Yeah, it is. 
No it's not. 

937
00:58:33,107 --> 00:58:35,800
But I mean it's not a couple 
years after the u.s. 

938
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,300
I know that's true. 
It just feels like it's a it is 

939
00:58:39,300 --> 00:58:43,700
crazy though. 
I don't 2017 feels so recent I 

940
00:58:43,700 --> 00:58:46,400
know it does. 
So Jess is Sister. 

941
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,100
Lisa posted a tweet celebrating 
her excitement over the decision

942
00:58:50,100 --> 00:58:51,900
saying oh I'm so happy you're 
something. 

943
00:58:51,900 --> 00:58:55,700
I actually didn't read what she 
said, but she's happy. 

944
00:58:56,300 --> 00:59:01,500
Yeah yeah. 
And as a reaction to this Ruby A

945
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:06,600
Ruby Rose tweeted. 
So glad to see Lisa or glia. 

946
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:10,200
So screaming screaming in 
excitement about the yes vote, 

947
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,400
after telling us, she thinks 
that we should feel lucky. 

948
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,100
We don't get stoned to death, 
like they do in other countries 

949
00:59:17,100 --> 00:59:21,300
and to get over it a few months 
ago, really warms my heart. 

950
00:59:24,300 --> 00:59:30,100
Oh damn, she's posed that about 
her girlfriends. 

951
00:59:30,100 --> 00:59:33,600
Identical twin sister. 
Oh, yeah, twin yeah. 

952
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,400
Not even nurses there. 
And I could say, like I didn't 

953
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:41,600
even mention those but like just
and Lisa grew up like best 

954
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,200
friends. 
Like they're identical twins. 

955
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:47,900
Like joined at the hair like 
literally like band together. 

956
00:59:49,300 --> 00:59:51,600
Like they're thick as thieves. 
These two girls. 

957
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:57,900
I'd say So Lisa is straight. 
Yes or okay. 

958
00:59:58,300 --> 01:00:01,000
Mostly dates men seems she's 
mostly been in long-term 

959
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,400
relationships with men. 
Okay I don't I don't know if 

960
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,700
he's been with the woman's but 
seems like she always has a 

961
01:00:07,700 --> 01:00:14,700
boyfriend okay. 
But like I mean there's there's 

962
01:00:14,700 --> 01:00:19,200
more tweets that will come after
this but I think like that's 

963
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:24,800
pretty low of Ruby. 
To tweet that about Lisa, even 

964
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:30,800
if Lisa said like get over it, 
even if Lisa said like oh you're

965
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,300
lucky, you're not so into death,
which I can see being upset 

966
01:00:33,300 --> 01:00:36,000
about. 
So then take it publicly to 

967
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:44,200
Twitter is I think really shitty
Yeah, II don't like, people are 

968
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,600
their family drama and stuff 
like that. 

969
01:00:48,100 --> 01:00:51,500
I want to know what Lisa meant 
by should get over it. 

970
01:00:51,500 --> 01:00:54,600
Like it over what? 
Well I have a bit about the, was

971
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,900
it the Aria? 
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's what 

972
01:00:56,900 --> 01:01:00,600
I'm guessing it was. 
I'm guessing just was mad that 

973
01:01:01,500 --> 01:01:04,700
the music video wasn't 
nominated, and Lisa got mad that

974
01:01:04,700 --> 01:01:08,600
she attacking big stink about it
made a big stink about it and 

975
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,800
probably said, like me, Maybe 
she said, oh, you should be 

976
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:13,300
lucky. 
You're not stoned to death or 

977
01:01:13,300 --> 01:01:16,600
something like that, but I don't
even think she's like I'm I'm 

978
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:19,900
guessing Lisa's not a homophobe.
Like it seems like she was 

979
01:01:19,900 --> 01:01:23,100
excited about this decision. 
Like she probably did say 

980
01:01:23,100 --> 01:01:27,500
something offensive but like to 
then take it to to Twitter and 

981
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,200
the political climate that 
they're in like knowing that 

982
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,000
people are going to go after 
Lisa. 

983
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,800
Like I think that's pretty 
shitty. 

984
01:01:35,500 --> 01:01:39,500
I'm like that's a very private 
can't take that back really too.

985
01:01:40,700 --> 01:01:43,600
And to make her seem like she's 
like homophobic, obviously, 

986
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,700
she's not her twin sister, her 
best friend is gay? 

987
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:52,900
Yeah, I do think that would suck
to hear like, maybe belittling, 

988
01:01:52,900 --> 01:01:55,400
like, I don't know if they're 
complaining about, you know, the

989
01:01:55,400 --> 01:02:01,100
state of gay people in Australia
and how much it sucks. 

990
01:02:01,100 --> 01:02:04,700
And then she says, like, well at
least you're not getting stoned 

991
01:02:04,700 --> 01:02:07,700
and yeah, I don't know. 
It is belittling like middle 

992
01:02:07,700 --> 01:02:13,600
yesterday, never but It's tough.
It doesn't. 

993
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,800
Yeah, I'm sure she isn't like a 
full moon homophobe and like 

994
01:02:16,900 --> 01:02:18,700
maybe it was taken out of 
context. 

995
01:02:18,700 --> 01:02:20,300
I don't know. 
No, I think so. 

996
01:02:20,300 --> 01:02:27,500
And like also like I think 
families have it is like if 

997
01:02:27,500 --> 01:02:30,700
you're that close with someone 
like you're gonna say something 

998
01:02:30,700 --> 01:02:33,800
offensive to them, but like you 
need to work that out privately.

999
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,300
Unless it's like to a point 
where it's like, there's no 

1000
01:02:36,300 --> 01:02:40,500
coming back from that. 
Like, if I said every like if I 

1001
01:02:40,500 --> 01:02:44,100
was famous like, I could cancel 
every single family member. 

1002
01:02:44,100 --> 01:02:47,300
If I like said, every shitty 
thing they've ever said or done.

1003
01:02:47,300 --> 01:02:50,800
Well, family family is always 
way harsher to family because 

1004
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:54,000
you can be exactly because 
they're just rough Walser. 

1005
01:02:54,100 --> 01:03:01,000
Yeah yeah yeah. 
And That's like you know it is. 

1006
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:05,800
Yeah misspeak around them like 
you say yeah really hurtful 

1007
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,200
things sometimes when you really
want to hurt them. 

1008
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,800
Yeah. 
But like it's because you know 

1009
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,400
that they're Never Gonna Leave 
You which maybe is not a good 

1010
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:20,000
thing but it's like to then have
Ruby like go and like painter 

1011
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,200
out to be this villain. 
I think that's like really 

1012
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:26,500
shitty. 
That would be really tough. 

1013
01:03:26,500 --> 01:03:28,500
I think they'll be really hard 
for Jess. 

1014
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:32,200
That's such an awkward position 
to be in. 

1015
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,300
Yeah. 
So oh day later Ruby post an 

1016
01:03:36,300 --> 01:03:40,500
Instagram story with Jess asleep
in her arms and she writes I'm 

1017
01:03:40,500 --> 01:03:44,000
always and just as asleep and 
they're at the airport waiting 

1018
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,200
for a flight and Ruby writes. 
I'm always woke though because 

1019
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:52,100
I'm her little protector and 
then people get mad at Ruby for 

1020
01:03:52,900 --> 01:03:56,100
going after Lisa and She says 
it's an emotional day. 

1021
01:03:56,100 --> 01:03:59,400
I'm a human being and need to 
remind myself not to let the 

1022
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,000
people below try to drag me 
down. 

1023
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:09,200
And then a few days later, Lisa 
posted a response and she said 

1024
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,700
this past week. 
I have been accused of making 

1025
01:04:11,700 --> 01:04:14,700
intolerant, statements, and 
holding and tolerant views. 

1026
01:04:14,700 --> 01:04:18,000
I did not make those statements 
and I do not hold those views. 

1027
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,700
Sexuality has never played a 
factor in my acceptance of 

1028
01:04:21,700 --> 01:04:25,500
people or their relationships. 
I have, and always will continue

1029
01:04:25,500 --> 01:04:29,900
to show my unwavering support 
for the LGBT, I Community with 

1030
01:04:29,900 --> 01:04:33,000
pride and continue to celebrate 
love acceptance and tolerance. 

1031
01:04:33,100 --> 01:04:35,900
Lawrence within our country and 
Community. 

1032
01:04:36,100 --> 01:04:40,300
Mmm. 
And like I don't know her 

1033
01:04:40,300 --> 01:04:44,500
personally but like up until 
like even like a year before 

1034
01:04:44,500 --> 01:04:47,700
like Lisa was hanging out with 
Ruby and Jess like she was 

1035
01:04:47,700 --> 01:04:50,600
posting pictures of them. 
Like she likes her whole, the 

1036
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:55,300
whole Veronica's music video was
like Jess and Ruby like making 

1037
01:04:55,300 --> 01:04:56,600
out. 
I just would find it hard to 

1038
01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:00,900
believe that she would be like 
homophobic in that case. 

1039
01:05:01,300 --> 01:05:04,600
Just think it's a really strong 
accusation to make. 

1040
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,900
I could actually see her being 
Oi. 

1041
01:05:07,900 --> 01:05:11,100
That Ruby is kind of becoming 
the center of attention. 

1042
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:15,600
Yeah, with their band but at 
least I do in the video, I don't

1043
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:17,900
I don't I don't know if she was 
in it actually. 

1044
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:25,800
Oh, so then just released her 
own statement and she said with 

1045
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:29,300
the comb, my conversation that 
was happening in the lead-up and

1046
01:05:29,300 --> 01:05:32,800
outcome of the marriage equality
result this week, I feel it is 

1047
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:34,700
necessary to share some 
feelings. 

1048
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,600
I may not have struggled with 
inner turmoil. 

1049
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,100
But that doesn't mean I haven't 
struggled with people close to 

1050
01:05:41,100 --> 01:05:44,600
me, degrading my sexuality 
because of their own personal 

1051
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:49,000
judgments or ignorance people. 
Can publicly support the LGBT 

1052
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:52,200
community, but behind closed 
doors and flicked deep pain 

1053
01:05:52,500 --> 01:05:55,000
because of their own inability 
to accept her. 

1054
01:05:55,000 --> 01:06:00,000
Understand you, as a part of 
that Community, she's added that

1055
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,700
can be particularly difficult 
and heartbreaking experience, 

1056
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,500
but one that has been a private 
and feel struggle in my life. 

1057
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,800
For anyone struggling in 
silence, please know that you 

1058
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:13,800
are not alone. 
She talked about her sister 

1059
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,100
sounds like it. 
Oh no, her identical twin 

1060
01:06:17,100 --> 01:06:21,700
sister. 
And I just find it really sad 

1061
01:06:21,700 --> 01:06:24,200
that the sisters are fighting at
this time because keep in mind 

1062
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:30,000
their mom is very very sick and 
they have been closed their 

1063
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:34,100
entire life and it seems like 
they would be like the only two 

1064
01:06:34,100 --> 01:06:37,700
people who would really 
understand that experience with 

1065
01:06:37,700 --> 01:06:40,500
each other and like it would be 
nice if they could like lean on 

1066
01:06:40,500 --> 01:06:43,600
each other through it. 
But yeah. 

1067
01:06:45,900 --> 01:06:47,400
Sad. 
It doesn't seem like they have 

1068
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:51,500
each other then in December Ruby
and I'm sure it sucks to if 

1069
01:06:51,500 --> 01:06:53,700
you're a hardcore Veronica's 
fan. 

1070
01:06:55,900 --> 01:06:57,700
Yeah. 
It's almost like they're 

1071
01:06:57,700 --> 01:07:02,300
breaking up which is like 
usually. 

1072
01:07:02,300 --> 01:07:04,800
Like I remember like people are 
upset about the Jonas brothers 

1073
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,200
breaking up. 
It's like they're settling. 

1074
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:12,600
I don't know if it is weird. 
We bands break up all the time 

1075
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,300
but you just don't expect that 
with sibling know. 

1076
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:20,400
No. 
Oasis the brothers. 

1077
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:24,400
Hate each other really? 
Yeah, they absolutely hate each 

1078
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:26,800
other. 
What happened did a podcast 

1079
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:32,600
about siblings significant, 
siblings? 

1080
01:07:37,900 --> 01:07:39,600
I mean, that's like, that's 
problem. 

1081
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,300
That's an area of people haven't
really delved into it. 

1082
01:07:42,300 --> 01:07:47,500
All the sibling relationship is 
I think I don't know, there's 

1083
01:07:47,500 --> 01:07:51,300
nothing like being best friends 
with a family like Kelly and I 

1084
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,800
owe your best friends. 
But it's like, oh shucks, 

1085
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,400
because of her also related to 
each other. 

1086
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:03,400
We have this like, Glue that 
keeps us together that even if 

1087
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:07,400
we have a disagreement it's like
we're never going to stop the 

1088
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,700
deeper level. 
Yeah it's way deeper. 

1089
01:08:09,700 --> 01:08:14,800
Yeah it could have a falling out
like in theory like we could 

1090
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:18,000
have a falling out where we like
don't speak to each other which 

1091
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,200
I don't Envision happening but 
it did. 

1092
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:24,300
It's like we'd still see each 
other at family events every now

1093
01:08:24,300 --> 01:08:29,300
and then. 
So, Yeah, yeah, it's definitely 

1094
01:08:29,300 --> 01:08:31,600
different from just regular 
friends. 

1095
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:37,600
I don't know, I feel like that 
you can Envision someone just 

1096
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:42,300
totally disappearing from your 
life or, you know, not being in 

1097
01:08:42,300 --> 01:08:46,100
touch anymore but yeah, I know I
feel like it's not as possible 

1098
01:08:46,100 --> 01:08:49,899
within me. 
So yeah, with a regular friend 

1099
01:08:49,899 --> 01:08:53,000
fight like sometimes you can be 
like oh yeah. 

1100
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:54,399
Oh that's a. 
This is over. 

1101
01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:56,399
Yeah, this is over. 
I know and like you don't Don't 

1102
01:08:56,399 --> 01:09:00,000
with family, it's like they're 
always going to be your family. 

1103
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:04,700
So like yeah, there's I know 
some of my friends, we really 

1104
01:09:04,700 --> 01:09:09,000
like we don't have arguments and
so I feel like, even if we had a

1105
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:13,000
little bit of a scuffle, I would
feel like very anxious that. 

1106
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:16,200
Yeah, our friendship is over 
forever or something. 

1107
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:21,200
You know, it's so funny like in 
our group message with like, me,

1108
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:24,100
you and Kaitlyn and Shannon 
sometimes we can get in an 

1109
01:09:24,100 --> 01:09:26,000
argument about something so 
silly. 

1110
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:29,200
Then in a different group 
message. 

1111
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,100
We're like talking about 
something funny. 

1112
01:09:33,100 --> 01:09:37,800
I know I feel like we haven't 
had as many arguments lately. 

1113
01:09:37,899 --> 01:09:42,700
No, yeah. 
It's usually like two people. 

1114
01:09:44,500 --> 01:09:49,200
Two people like like, either a 
movie or an actor or something 

1115
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:51,899
into people don't know. 
It's a stupid. 

1116
01:09:52,500 --> 01:09:54,800
It's always 2 verse 2, which is 
good. 

1117
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,100
Yeah, but nothing. 
Don't be so sad. 

1118
01:09:57,100 --> 01:10:00,900
If it's 3 verse 1 it has been 
three verse one before. 

1119
01:10:01,900 --> 01:10:06,800
Yeah but it's usually I feel 
like it's not I don't feel like 

1120
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:12,000
I've ever been the one. 
You're lucky. 

1121
01:10:14,500 --> 01:10:17,200
Anyways I don't know. 
I feel like maybe Caitlyn's been

1122
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,800
the one before. 
Yeah I think Shannon maybe. 

1123
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,500
Oh maybe me but I can't 
remember. 

1124
01:10:22,500 --> 01:10:28,900
So it's all good. 
Now they usually don't last very

1125
01:10:28,900 --> 01:10:32,000
long. 
Fitz. 

1126
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,800
Oh yeah, Ruby goes on the Aussie
radio show. 

1127
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,800
Kyle and Jackie. 
Oh, this must be a very popular 

1128
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:41,200
show because it keeps coming up 
in my research with this. 

1129
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,500
Okay. 
And she's there to promote 

1130
01:10:43,500 --> 01:10:46,800
Pitch, Perfect 3. 
And she's she opens up about the

1131
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,800
difficulties and their 
relationship and just being long

1132
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,700
distance. 
And she says, every relationship

1133
01:10:52,700 --> 01:10:54,400
has its ups and downs and great 
moments. 

1134
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:58,100
But that's what I love about it.
I swear by it with every 

1135
01:10:58,100 --> 01:11:00,400
relationship ever. 
And that's therapy. 

1136
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:02,800
I think it's the greatest thing.
Thing for an individual. 

1137
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,900
First, you need to know yourself
and heal yourself, and love 

1138
01:11:05,900 --> 01:11:09,200
yourself to love someone else. 
We all communicate so 

1139
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,000
differently. 
Depending on what we've been 

1140
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,600
through in our lives, and what 
walls are up. 

1141
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,000
So, doing therapy and then just 
working together. 

1142
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,400
You find another level of 
understanding and appreciation. 

1143
01:11:19,700 --> 01:11:22,200
We're at a point now where we 
properly know how to 

1144
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:25,100
communicate, long distance, 
which I think has been the 

1145
01:11:25,100 --> 01:11:29,100
hardest thing. 
So basically revealing that hurt

1146
01:11:29,100 --> 01:11:32,000
and just start in couples 
therapy. 

1147
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,900
Oh wow. 
Yeah which interesting I think 

1148
01:11:35,900 --> 01:11:38,900
couples therapy. 
It does seem like it is a good 

1149
01:11:38,900 --> 01:11:43,000
thing but to be in couples 
therapy that early into dating 

1150
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:46,300
is quite rare. 
Would you say right? 

1151
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:51,500
Yeah I would I would say it is a
good thing but I know I think 

1152
01:11:51,900 --> 01:11:55,000
you maybe this is just our bias 
is going into it or. 

1153
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,100
Yeah. 
But usually you think of Is a 

1154
01:11:57,108 --> 01:11:59,700
couple that's been together for 
a long time and they're trying 

1155
01:11:59,700 --> 01:12:03,000
to make it work because it's 
important to them but yeah, I 

1156
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:05,500
don't know. 
I mean, they, I guess they 

1157
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:10,100
reunited after a long time but 
it is surprising. 

1158
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:12,100
It's surprising. 
I don't think that it's 

1159
01:12:12,100 --> 01:12:15,600
necessarily a bad thing though. 
Like, because I almost wonder 

1160
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,800
what it would be like, if 
couples, like, just did couples 

1161
01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:20,900
therapy like, from the get-go. 
Like, if that, is everyone 

1162
01:12:20,900 --> 01:12:22,500
there? 
Yeah. 

1163
01:12:23,500 --> 01:12:25,800
Not sure. 
Wow. 

1164
01:12:25,900 --> 01:12:29,000
So, then they attend Did the 
Pitch, Perfect 3 premiere 

1165
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:35,400
together, along with Ruby's mom,
Katya and just post a photo of 

1166
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:38,200
the three of them together and 
says last night with two of my 

1167
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,800
favorite women in the world. 
Rubes you work so hard in the 

1168
01:12:41,808 --> 01:12:45,100
strength of your beautiful mind 
and body as they carry you 

1169
01:12:45,100 --> 01:12:47,900
through all your dreams. 
Inspires me everyday. 

1170
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:51,300
You don't need this dress to 
shine but God, you looked 

1171
01:12:51,300 --> 01:12:52,700
perfect. 
Wow. 

1172
01:12:52,700 --> 01:12:55,700
And their photograph kissing at 
the airport together. 

1173
01:12:58,100 --> 01:13:00,600
That's really sweet, really 
sweet. 

1174
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,800
They seem incredibly supportive 
of each other and just like 

1175
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:08,300
madly in love. 
Oh, then it's 2018 and Brew be 

1176
01:13:08,300 --> 01:13:14,000
undergoes, spinal surgery 
because of a herniated disc that

1177
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:20,100
she got while playing the 
Batwoman in the CW shows. 

1178
01:13:20,100 --> 01:13:23,200
There's like a couple shows 
where she plays Batwoman in, 

1179
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,800
okay? 
And she needs to be in a 

1180
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:31,900
wheelchair and then she has a 
walker and a cane and she bought

1181
01:13:31,900 --> 01:13:33,700
it. 
So how she's struggling with it.

1182
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,800
And she also posted an Instagram
picture of her and Jess with a 

1183
01:13:38,100 --> 01:13:41,300
caption that says behind every 
strong female lead is another 

1184
01:13:41,300 --> 01:13:45,900
strong female lead. 
Hmm she's a big and so I don't 

1185
01:13:45,900 --> 01:13:48,100
know what's up with Lisa, I 
know. 

1186
01:13:48,100 --> 01:13:51,400
Yeah, that'll come up. 
So and okay. 

1187
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,800
It seems like things are 
actually patched up with these 

1188
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:58,500
sir because Jeff supposed 
Instagram, a photo of her, a 

1189
01:13:58,508 --> 01:14:02,300
friend Ruby Lisa. 
And another friend together with

1190
01:14:02,300 --> 01:14:06,100
a caption that says this week, I
experienced what it truly means 

1191
01:14:06,100 --> 01:14:09,500
to love myself. 
And these three Souls were 

1192
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:12,100
waiting to surprise me. 
And welcome me home, I actually 

1193
01:14:12,100 --> 01:14:14,300
think only one friend, besides 
the two of them. 

1194
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:17,300
Wait a second who wrote this? 
Jess. 

1195
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,100
Okay. 
So carry on seems like things 

1196
01:14:21,100 --> 01:14:24,300
are good. 
Then it's March and it's the 

1197
01:14:24,300 --> 01:14:28,500
10-year anniversary. 
Three of when Ruby and Jess 

1198
01:14:28,500 --> 01:14:34,100
first met and gestures photo of 
them together from 2008 with a 

1199
01:14:34,100 --> 01:14:38,800
heart-shaped balloon that says 
love you and she wrote ten years

1200
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:43,500
ago I met a goddess and Ruby 
commented. 10 years with you. 

1201
01:14:43,500 --> 01:14:46,900
That's my answer. 
Wow. 

1202
01:14:47,300 --> 01:14:52,400
But then in April on April 1st 
Ruby announced the Snapple has 

1203
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:56,400
officially split up. 
She says what I've shared the 

1204
01:14:56,400 --> 01:15:00,400
past two years, learning, and 
sharing my life with an amazing 

1205
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:04,800
human being an experience for 
which I am very blessed. 

1206
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,200
Breakups are always incredibly 
hard on the people involved but 

1207
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:10,900
I can only be grateful for the 
experiences. 

1208
01:15:10,900 --> 01:15:14,400
We shared, it's with a heavy 
heart, to share that Jess and I 

1209
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:18,800
parted ways a few Months ago, we
still love each other very much,

1210
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:22,800
and I will always support her 
and be her biggest Advocate, 

1211
01:15:23,500 --> 01:15:26,200
which it wasn't a few months 
because the post that was 

1212
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:26,800
through. 
Yeah. 

1213
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:30,400
Well, suppose we want to say 
Ruby Ruby. 

1214
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:34,900
I kept catching her in Lies when
it comes to the time. 

1215
01:15:35,300 --> 01:15:38,000
And I think like, maybe it's 
unintentional, but like she 

1216
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,100
would always sit, like she would
be like, oh, back when we were 

1217
01:15:40,100 --> 01:15:43,100
together in 2009. 
Like, no actually work together,

1218
01:15:43,100 --> 01:15:45,700
2008. 
Or like she would, ya 

1219
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:48,300
Technically, that wasn't ten 
years together. 

1220
01:15:48,300 --> 01:15:52,900
Know she would say stuff like 
that, a lot, he, where she would

1221
01:15:52,900 --> 01:15:57,400
like really exaggerate how long 
something was interesting. 

1222
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,900
But so people thought this was 
an April Fool's joke, obviously,

1223
01:16:00,900 --> 01:16:08,300
because it was April 1st, that's
stupid, a, you should not you 

1224
01:16:08,300 --> 01:16:12,300
should not announce a breakup on
April 1st. 

1225
01:16:13,500 --> 01:16:18,500
Yeah, you should not you should 
announce anything on April 1st. 

1226
01:16:18,500 --> 01:16:19,800
That reminds me. 
I'm Robin. 

1227
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:25,600
FKA twigs engagement was got him
out on April 1st but that turned

1228
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:27,600
out to be true and I'm guessing 
this turned out to be true 

1229
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:28,200
today. 
It was. 

1230
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:32,000
Yeah, because I'm Ruby tweeted. 
I understand it's April 1st, but

1231
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,500
I would never use something 
called personal as an April 

1232
01:16:34,500 --> 01:16:38,600
Fool's joke, really bad. 
Timing tells me that she didn't 

1233
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:41,100
really think about it before 
posting that because I feel like

1234
01:16:41,100 --> 01:16:43,100
you would be like, okay. 
Now I can't put this out. 

1235
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:48,000
Today, I'll wait till tomorrow. 
I think it's a little weird 

1236
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:52,200
boasting about it in general. 
I know some celebrities do that 

1237
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:57,400
but what do you think? 
Yeah I've seen some 

1238
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:07,300
non-celebrities do it. 
Yeah yeah really weird to make 

1239
01:17:07,300 --> 01:17:10,400
it. 
I don't think I can totally get 

1240
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:14,600
posting on Instagram picture of 
this kind of like sad or like 

1241
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,300
one through bro. 
I don't know, but it's weird to 

1242
01:17:17,300 --> 01:17:21,500
like talk about your recent 
partner like in the third person

1243
01:17:21,500 --> 01:17:24,000
and kind of like PR type of 
statement. 

1244
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,700
I don't got because it almost 
sounds like like when someone 

1245
01:17:26,700 --> 01:17:29,500
when you announce like someone 
in your family died or something

1246
01:17:29,500 --> 01:17:32,200
like we know, they meant so much
to me. 

1247
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:34,500
It's like, I don't know because 
it was a breakup. 

1248
01:17:34,500 --> 01:17:38,700
Like, there's a lot more complex
feelings that go into that. 

1249
01:17:38,700 --> 01:17:43,400
Like usually you're not really 
oh, I wish them the best. 

1250
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:46,700
It's it's like, no, like all. 
Why ourselves to just be like 

1251
01:17:46,700 --> 01:17:48,600
bitter and upset about it in 
private? 

1252
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,400
Like you don't usually put on 
this facade to the public that 

1253
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:54,400
you're really sad that you're 
really happy for them, you know.

1254
01:17:54,400 --> 01:18:01,900
Yeah, I think I would be pretty 
freaked out and maybe even like 

1255
01:18:01,900 --> 01:18:07,900
devastated if my ex-boyfriend. 
Was it something like that guys?

1256
01:18:07,900 --> 01:18:10,000
Like that's like it's really 
over. 

1257
01:18:11,100 --> 01:18:17,800
I would be reeling. 
I don't know. 

1258
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:21,000
It's a kind of embarrassing. 
I know. 

1259
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:24,300
Yeah, I'm very yeah. 
People do it. 

1260
01:18:24,900 --> 01:18:29,000
Very PR. 
Yeah, I hate these like HR 

1261
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:37,400
templates that people with me to
hopefully that dies out some do.

1262
01:18:37,400 --> 01:18:43,000
Yeah, definitely, I just got a 
chart template myself, a couple 

1263
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,200
weeks ago. 
It was not great. 

1264
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:49,200
I would rather someone be like, 
I would rather somebody be like,

1265
01:18:50,900 --> 01:18:55,000
hey, No, I just really don't 
like you that much, like let's 

1266
01:18:55,100 --> 01:18:58,000
end this. 
Now then to be like, a whole 

1267
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:02,400
statement, that's like, yeah, 
reflecting on my knees. 

1268
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:06,200
I don't think that you and I can
offer each other, what the 

1269
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:10,900
others looking for, and I can't 
sleep in an emotional capacity. 

1270
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:16,900
Oh, I am heartless. 
Yeah, it sounds like you're 

1271
01:19:16,900 --> 01:19:25,200
getting laid off. 
People need to stop. 

1272
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,900
Okay. 
But so, yeah, they broke and I 

1273
01:19:27,907 --> 01:19:32,500
feel like whoever posted first, 
it feels like they Chose it. 

1274
01:19:32,500 --> 01:19:35,100
Exactly. 
No, that's so true. 

1275
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:38,500
It seems like they were in 
control which I think is 

1276
01:19:38,500 --> 01:19:43,200
actually the opposite in the 
situation, but I mean, it's 

1277
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:45,400
really over. 
Once you post that, like there's

1278
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:48,800
no going back. 
Yeah, happened. 

1279
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,700
I don't think. 
Oh, my God, we I totally forgot 

1280
01:19:51,700 --> 01:19:55,000
to actually see this thing that 
happened years ago. 

1281
01:19:55,100 --> 01:19:59,400
Oh, I'm mad at myself. 
That's okay, so before I asked 

1282
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:03,200
what happened, and you have some
Insider knowledge. 

1283
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:05,500
Yeah. 
So I must have skipped some this

1284
01:20:05,500 --> 01:20:09,400
part in my notes, but like 
months before, this Ruby 

1285
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:13,500
actually deleted her every 
single picture of Jess from her 

1286
01:20:13,500 --> 01:20:16,400
Instagram. 
So people had actually 

1287
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:20,800
speculated that they had broken 
up like months before breaking. 

1288
01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:23,200
Yeah. 
Oh, that is a very telling if 

1289
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:26,100
someone deletes every picture 
but then they were spotted out 

1290
01:20:26,100 --> 01:20:28,600
together like a couple days 
later. 

1291
01:20:29,300 --> 01:20:34,000
And I think that's like when 
they Did some events together so

1292
01:20:34,300 --> 01:20:36,500
they must have broken up and 
gotten back together. 

1293
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:42,300
Yeah. 
Damn, but so that kind of shows 

1294
01:20:42,300 --> 01:20:45,300
I think that maybe there was 
some rockiness in the 

1295
01:20:45,308 --> 01:20:52,100
relationship to begin with. 
So they're broken up and in May 

1296
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:56,200
Ruby post a screenshot of a 
tweet to her Instagram which 

1297
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:59,500
reads the greatest act of Love 
is letting go. 

1298
01:20:59,900 --> 01:21:04,800
If you love them let them grow 
to go if they come back dot dot 

1299
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:13,300
dot and then diamond ring emoji.
What so to me that says that 

1300
01:21:13,300 --> 01:21:18,800
Ruby thinks that like she's 
letting just go so that she'll 

1301
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:23,300
come back to her, you know. 
Oh like to me that says, meaning

1302
01:21:23,300 --> 01:21:26,300
Jess ended it. 
That's what I think. 

1303
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:31,800
Mmm. 
So then following the split just

1304
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:34,400
is seemingly she's focused on 
her family like her. 

1305
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:40,600
Mom is very sick, she's home and
Brisbane with Her sister and 

1306
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:44,300
they are doing a dementia memory
run and walk together. 

1307
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:46,500
It seems like they're really 
just there for their mom that 

1308
01:21:46,500 --> 01:21:50,700
even postponed their upcoming 
album just to spend time with 

1309
01:21:50,700 --> 01:21:53,600
their mom. 
So I don't think. 

1310
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,300
So, Jess hasn't said anything 
about The Break-Up, I don't even

1311
01:21:56,300 --> 01:21:57,900
know if she's like thinking 
about it. 

1312
01:21:57,900 --> 01:22:02,200
She's really just focused on, 
you know, her family. 

1313
01:22:02,900 --> 01:22:07,500
Well, that's good. 
Then in July, I think it seems 

1314
01:22:07,500 --> 01:22:10,000
to me. 
Like Ruby and Demi Lovato were 

1315
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:15,900
hooking up because well Demi 
commented three heart-shaped 

1316
01:22:15,900 --> 01:22:20,500
emojis on one of Ruby's posts 
and then Ruby responded to it. 

1317
01:22:20,500 --> 01:22:27,000
Hurry and then know Ruby. 
Also posted a story of her legs 

1318
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:31,000
on a yacht with her hand on her 
crotch and then she tagged Demi 

1319
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:34,400
Lovato where her crotches? 
Whoa. 

1320
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:36,300
Okay. 
That's very telling. 

1321
01:22:37,100 --> 01:22:42,000
Yeah, Then Ruby seemingly 
confirms that she's in a new 

1322
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:45,800
relationship because she does a 
Q&A on her Instagram stories. 

1323
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:49,100
And someone asks, do you have a 
boyfriend or a girlfriend? 

1324
01:22:49,500 --> 01:22:51,700
And she posts a picture of her 
and a male friend? 

1325
01:22:51,700 --> 01:22:56,300
And she writes, this is my man, 
but my girl is none of your 

1326
01:22:56,300 --> 01:23:01,300
business, LOL. 
So I don't know she's really, I 

1327
01:23:01,300 --> 01:23:04,200
don't know if she's dating Demi 
Lovato or if she's dating 

1328
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:07,600
someone else or if she just 
wants to make it seem like she's

1329
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:11,300
dating somebody else you know 
hmm like she could have asked 

1330
01:23:11,300 --> 01:23:12,900
that was that guy? 
I don't know. 

1331
01:23:12,900 --> 01:23:17,900
Some random guy she gave a she's
not dating him know. 

1332
01:23:17,900 --> 01:23:21,100
She could have honestly ask that
own question and like the Q&A 

1333
01:23:21,100 --> 01:23:23,200
just like have that answer. 
Yeah. 

1334
01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:32,800
You think that's a possibility? 
Yeah, I think XO, this is only 

1335
01:23:33,700 --> 01:23:36,300
really three months after the 
breakup. 

1336
01:23:37,100 --> 01:23:41,300
Oh, I do think she was hooking 
up with dummy guns to my head. 

1337
01:23:41,300 --> 01:23:46,200
Yes. 
Seems like it that, hurry, that 

1338
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:49,600
kind of grosses me out for some 
reason her and dummy. 

1339
01:23:50,300 --> 01:23:56,000
One of the comment, hurry. 
Oh, I know, hurry, it sounds 

1340
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:58,600
like come have sex with me. 
It's soap. 

1341
01:23:58,900 --> 01:24:02,800
Public like I just yeah I don't 
I don't know I think it's a 

1342
01:24:02,808 --> 01:24:05,500
little attention sinking 
especially since dummies like a 

1343
01:24:05,500 --> 01:24:07,900
more famous person but that's 
just me. 

1344
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:14,500
Then in September Jess does a 
Q&A on her Instagram and someone

1345
01:24:14,500 --> 01:24:18,300
asks her and then wonder if she 
just wrote this herself. 

1346
01:24:18,300 --> 01:24:21,300
Someone asks, how do you break 
the cycle of going back to a 

1347
01:24:21,300 --> 01:24:23,900
relationship that brings out the
worst in you? 

1348
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:27,100
And she gives a lengthy 
response. 

1349
01:24:27,100 --> 01:24:31,100
She says, please don't be hard 
on yourself about it. 

1350
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:33,900
It's possible that you were 
caught in a chemical cycle 

1351
01:24:33,900 --> 01:24:37,400
called trauma bonding. 
We produce the stress hormone 

1352
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:41,100
cortisol, when we are in an 
unhealthy or abusive 

1353
01:24:41,100 --> 01:24:45,000
relationship paired with 
dopamine when given affection as

1354
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:47,500
a reward. 
Our bodies actually become 

1355
01:24:47,500 --> 01:24:50,200
addicted to that cycle. 
It can keep us in an unhealthy 

1356
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:54,800
relationship for a long time and
explains why some breakups Feel 

1357
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:58,800
like purging an addiction when 
it's over, we are essentially 

1358
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:02,200
having to break a biological 
dependence as well as an 

1359
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:06,100
emotional and psychological one.
Take steps like you would 

1360
01:25:06,100 --> 01:25:11,000
breaking an addiction a 12-month
program or 12-step program or 

1361
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:14,300
any support system that can help
you and reminding you to stay 

1362
01:25:14,300 --> 01:25:18,700
strong and keep moving forward. 
Wow. 

1363
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:24,100
That's very telling to me, like 
that tells me that she in that 

1364
01:25:24,100 --> 01:25:28,900
moment has really done a lot of 
research about coming out of 

1365
01:25:28,900 --> 01:25:34,600
unhealthy relationships. 
Yeah, which to me is very 

1366
01:25:35,100 --> 01:25:37,900
indicative. 
Probably of what happened with 

1367
01:25:37,900 --> 01:25:42,600
her and Ruby. 
Mmm, probably. 

1368
01:25:42,900 --> 01:25:47,000
Another person asks, no, and 
again, I wonder if this, if she 

1369
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:50,700
just This herself but someone 
asks is a partner not getting 

1370
01:25:50,700 --> 01:25:53,000
along with your family, a 
deal-breaker. 

1371
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:56,800
And she says, oh there are a lot
of people in our Lives who might

1372
01:25:56,800 --> 01:26:00,500
not get along with our families 
even ourselves at any time. 

1373
01:26:00,500 --> 01:26:03,600
It depends on the relationship 
and personalities and hand. 

1374
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:07,100
There's a big difference between
someone not getting along with 

1375
01:26:07,100 --> 01:26:10,500
your family and someone outright
abusing manipulating and 

1376
01:26:10,500 --> 01:26:14,400
bullying, your family and or 
isolating you from them. 

1377
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:17,200
The latter tends to be the deal 
breaker for me. 

1378
01:26:17,300 --> 01:26:23,600
Me baking from experience? 
Yeah I think so but that's good.

1379
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:26,400
I feel like yeah I don't know if
someone asked me that question. 

1380
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:29,500
I feel like I wouldn't because I
haven't really experienced that.

1381
01:26:29,500 --> 01:26:31,700
I wouldn't be able to say 
something like that. 

1382
01:26:31,700 --> 01:26:32,700
Like that's a deal-breaker for 
me. 

1383
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:35,400
I don't know. 
Maybe I'm thinking too much 

1384
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:37,300
about it. 
I don't know if it's a 

1385
01:26:37,300 --> 01:26:42,700
deal-breaker per se for me 
because I do think I think it's 

1386
01:26:42,700 --> 01:26:45,700
like very common for people to 
have problems with their 

1387
01:26:45,700 --> 01:26:48,500
in-laws, at least in my 
experience, like my mom and my 

1388
01:26:48,500 --> 01:26:52,800
grandmother, my dad's mom never 
got along ever and I wouldn't 

1389
01:26:52,900 --> 01:26:55,300
want to ever repeat that in my 
life. 

1390
01:26:55,300 --> 01:26:58,000
Like I think for me that 
provided a lot of yeah 

1391
01:26:58,500 --> 01:27:03,300
awkwardness because I love both 
my grandmother and my mom and 

1392
01:27:03,300 --> 01:27:06,500
when they fought like so awkward
and like even like I don't think

1393
01:27:06,500 --> 01:27:10,800
my dad like love dark 
grandfather, like my mom's dad, 

1394
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:18,000
but I think that's common in 
marriages. 

1395
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:22,300
That you don't really like 
always loved the family that 

1396
01:27:22,300 --> 01:27:28,300
you're marrying into its, but 
that's why I wondered, if that's

1397
01:27:28,300 --> 01:27:33,600
her experience because it seemed
like she had quite a reaction. 

1398
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:36,400
I don't know. 
Yeah, well, definitely, I mean 

1399
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:43,000
the fact that Ruby like really 
Set Lisa up to be in the firing 

1400
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:44,700
line. 
Of like thousands of people 

1401
01:27:44,700 --> 01:27:47,200
online. 
Especially in a very heated 

1402
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:50,400
political time. 
I think that is kind of like 

1403
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:55,400
bullying her in a way. 
Yeah, she's taking something 

1404
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:59,600
that was very private and like 
maybe easily misconstrued and 

1405
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,000
Like making it very public for 
people. 

1406
01:28:03,100 --> 01:28:05,500
I know. 
But it's internet. 

1407
01:28:05,500 --> 01:28:10,400
At least in the u.s. like Ruby 
is more famous than yeah, the 

1408
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:15,100
to. 
So it does feel like, punching 

1409
01:28:15,100 --> 01:28:16,800
down. 
Yeah. 

1410
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:19,600
And the Ruby has a very loyal 
following. 

1411
01:28:19,700 --> 01:28:24,800
So then in November, Lisa, gets 
married and just post a photo at

1412
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:26,300
her wedding. 
And Jess is in a new 

1413
01:28:26,300 --> 01:28:31,000
relationship with an American 
musician named Kai Carl, Then 

1414
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:32,900
who is actually 12 years younger
than her? 

1415
01:28:32,900 --> 01:28:34,700
He's 21. 
She's 30. 

1416
01:28:35,900 --> 01:28:39,700
What the hell are you post a 
picture from the wedding with 

1417
01:28:39,700 --> 01:28:44,300
Kai sitting in her lap? 
And the caption says luckiest or

1418
01:28:44,300 --> 01:28:48,000
she sitting on his lap and the 
caption says luckiest and then 

1419
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:52,500
Ruby commented congratulations. 
So happy for you both. 

1420
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:56,300
Oh that's nice. 
Yeah, it's nice. 

1421
01:28:56,300 --> 01:29:01,800
But then just responded I oh I 
love this stuff. 

1422
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:06,900
Like I hate to say it but I do 
Ruby. 

1423
01:29:07,900 --> 01:29:10,700
Oh, Jess wrote back. 
I have requested. 

1424
01:29:10,700 --> 01:29:13,600
You not contact me for over four
months. 

1425
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:19,900
Now, you act like you have been 
given my grace of being ignored 

1426
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:24,200
on every other private platform.
So the fact that you Continue to

1427
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:27,400
ignore this to contact me here 
publicly. 

1428
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:32,100
Under the guise of wishing me. 
Well is continued harassment. 

1429
01:29:35,900 --> 01:29:40,500
Can't believe she said that 
publicly not crazy. 

1430
01:29:41,900 --> 01:29:50,600
Oh, so that's okay so messy. 
But so like I wonder not saying 

1431
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:55,800
that I fully believed just a 
hundred percent but like Ruby 

1432
01:29:55,800 --> 01:30:01,300
must be contacting her non-stop,
which I do think it seems like 

1433
01:30:01,300 --> 01:30:03,300
Ruby was the one that was broken
up with. 

1434
01:30:04,100 --> 01:30:06,300
Hmm. 
Why do you think? 

1435
01:30:07,300 --> 01:30:11,300
Why do I think that? 
Yeah well I mean no no not why 

1436
01:30:11,300 --> 01:30:14,100
do you think it? 
But why do you think Jess broke 

1437
01:30:14,100 --> 01:30:17,700
up with her? 
If you had to get well I'm just 

1438
01:30:17,700 --> 01:30:19,800
actually kind of reveals that a 
little bit later. 

1439
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:21,700
Okay? 
All right. 

1440
01:30:21,900 --> 01:30:27,500
So I'll just hang tight. 
Yeah but it's that's crazy. 

1441
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:29,600
That's like really bones of just
to respond. 

1442
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:35,100
That way, if someone won't leave
you alone though and then they 

1443
01:30:35,100 --> 01:30:38,400
commented publicly on your 
Instagram, you would probably be

1444
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:41,700
like, oh yes, is enough like I'm
I have to embarrass you for you 

1445
01:30:41,700 --> 01:30:45,600
to stop harassing me like this. 
Wow. 

1446
01:30:48,100 --> 01:30:51,800
And then Ruby responded. 
This is news today, Monday, copy

1447
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:55,800
that Good Vibes only. 
Hmm. 

1448
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,800
I mean that would be okay let's 
take rubies Personnel, playing 

1449
01:31:01,800 --> 01:31:03,500
cool. 
Yeah, let's take rubies 

1450
01:31:03,500 --> 01:31:08,100
perspective on if she hasn't 
been contacting dress at all and

1451
01:31:08,100 --> 01:31:11,700
just just said that for no 
reason, that would be kind of 

1452
01:31:11,700 --> 01:31:15,200
footage. 
He has been, but didn't know it 

1453
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:18,900
was so, Oh unwanted, maybe 
that's true. 

1454
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:22,300
Is really sad. 
Ruby's making it seem as if she 

1455
01:31:22,300 --> 01:31:24,500
hasn't been contacting just at 
all. 

1456
01:31:24,500 --> 01:31:27,400
Like I just find it hard to 
believe that just would comment 

1457
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:29,700
that if it. 
Yeah, me too. 

1458
01:31:29,700 --> 01:31:33,500
But maybe I mean, we don't know.
I doubt it. 

1459
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:38,000
That's really aggressive. 
Yeah, if it wasn't true. 

1460
01:31:38,300 --> 01:31:43,000
I mean, to be honest with you, I
don't think I think it's like 

1461
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:48,200
unhinged to begin with unless 
you're On very good terms for. 

1462
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:52,100
So this is a hard launch that 
jested with her new boyfriend. 

1463
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:54,300
This is the first time they 
posted something. 

1464
01:31:54,300 --> 01:31:58,700
I think it would be unhinged for
you to comment on your ex's 

1465
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:02,700
Instagram photo of a hard long 
relationship. 

1466
01:32:02,700 --> 01:32:05,800
So happy for you both like 
that's no. 

1467
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:08,700
You're not like let's not play 
games here. 

1468
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:11,300
Yeah. 
That is kind of crazy. 

1469
01:32:11,300 --> 01:32:15,300
Yeah, I would be very weirded 
out if my ex supposed to come 

1470
01:32:15,300 --> 01:32:19,500
too. 
Yeah, I would be I mean I would 

1471
01:32:19,500 --> 01:32:23,000
be freaked out and then even 
more if he had been contacting 

1472
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:25,900
me and I said stop it. 
Yes, that's kind of scary 

1473
01:32:25,900 --> 01:32:30,400
actually because then also 
you're like I don't want that my

1474
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:34,600
new partner to see that. 
Yes, embarrassing. 

1475
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:39,500
So then in 2019, it's February 
and The Veronicas are doing an 

1476
01:32:39,500 --> 01:32:42,300
interview with Stellar magazine 
and are asked about their 

1477
01:32:42,300 --> 01:32:47,300
rumored Feud from 2007. 
And S says, we were so 

1478
01:32:47,300 --> 01:32:49,900
connected, so close for that to 
be a threat. 

1479
01:32:49,900 --> 01:32:52,600
To anybody has been one of the 
hardest thing of the fight was 

1480
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:57,900
in 2017 owed. 
I said, 2007, I think so. 

1481
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:02,200
Oh yeah, 2017. 
Sorry, she's sad subject just 

1482
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:05,600
says, we were so connected. 
So close for that to be a 

1483
01:33:05,608 --> 01:33:07,400
threat. 
To anybody has been one of the 

1484
01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:09,900
hardest things for me to 
understand. 

1485
01:33:10,100 --> 01:33:14,000
Nobody should feel like they can
force themselves into your life.

1486
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:18,000
How it suits them when It's 
toxic and unwarranted. 

1487
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:25,900
Hmm, which really makes it seem 
as if Ruby was trying to tear 

1488
01:33:25,900 --> 01:33:32,000
the sister sisters apart. 
That's why I don't know. 

1489
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:39,800
So, then, in March The Veronicas
finally, release new music after

1490
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:46,300
a really long time on Hiatus, 
and the first single since 2017 

1491
01:33:46,300 --> 01:33:50,400
is titled without you, which is 
seemingly about leaving a 

1492
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:57,000
controlling relationship. 
And one of the lines is, I know 

1493
01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:00,700
that you would rather keep me in
a prison, I can't leave. 

1494
01:34:00,700 --> 01:34:03,500
But the truth is, you can never 
take my freedom. 

1495
01:34:03,700 --> 01:34:08,600
I'm without me. 
Hmm, and I just thought that was

1496
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:14,300
just interesting because Prison,
oh, Orange Is the New. 

1497
01:34:14,300 --> 01:34:19,500
Orange is the New Black and 
without me isn't the song that 

1498
01:34:19,500 --> 01:34:22,300
they did together like with you 
or something? 

1499
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:27,000
But yeah, I think it's obviously
about ruby and then there's 

1500
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:34,300
another song called think of me 
which is About an ex-lover in 

1501
01:34:34,300 --> 01:34:37,600
the lyrics are. 
Do you miss me and your sheets? 

1502
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:40,700
Do you miss me in your bed? 
The way we talked all night, the

1503
01:34:40,700 --> 01:34:45,100
way I gave you had, do you think
that she's the one or do you 

1504
01:34:45,100 --> 01:34:48,400
just pretend? 
And when she says it's love, 

1505
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:52,400
will you think of me instead you
got your initials around my 

1506
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:55,900
neck. 
One-of-a-kind, she have one yet 

1507
01:34:55,900 --> 01:34:59,400
and I bet you chained charge her
rent to sleep at your house. 

1508
01:34:59,700 --> 01:35:02,000
And if she's ever late, I bet 
you kick her. 

1509
01:35:02,100 --> 01:35:06,000
Her out six times in 
parentheses, which is like, 

1510
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:08,700
makes me think they broke up six
times. 

1511
01:35:09,500 --> 01:35:12,700
I underestimated how complicated
you are. 

1512
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:16,400
I don't miss being hated. 
I don't miss fighting your war 

1513
01:35:16,900 --> 01:35:20,900
that you miss me in your sheets,
bet you miss me in your head and

1514
01:35:20,900 --> 01:35:24,800
these are Pete and then just 
told the News Corp in an 

1515
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:27,400
interview. 
This song is our sarcastic. 

1516
01:35:27,400 --> 01:35:30,600
Comedic way of looking at a 
relationship which under all of 

1517
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:33,000
it was incredibly painful. 
And tough. 

1518
01:35:33,300 --> 01:35:38,900
So we find ways to laugh. 
Wow, and they filmed this. 

1519
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:41,400
Oh no. 
Sorry, the song before that was 

1520
01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:43,500
with Ruby was called on your 
side. 

1521
01:35:43,500 --> 01:35:47,500
So I remind about that, but they
deliberately filmed this music 

1522
01:35:47,500 --> 01:35:51,100
video in the same location where
they had filmed the on your side

1523
01:35:51,100 --> 01:35:53,600
music video to make new 
memories. 

1524
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:55,900
So it's pretty obviously about 
Ruby. 

1525
01:35:56,900 --> 01:36:00,000
Yeah, because it supposedly. 
So just these are just got 

1526
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:01,700
married. 
I don't think she has any recent

1527
01:36:01,700 --> 01:36:04,100
exes. 
So yeah. 

1528
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:06,600
So Jessica's on the Kyle and 
Jackie. 

1529
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:11,300
Kyosho and she is asked about 
her breakup with Ruby and she 

1530
01:36:11,300 --> 01:36:14,700
says, you know, it's a very 
complex relationship. 

1531
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:17,600
I'm still trying to come to 
terms with the reality of it 

1532
01:36:17,800 --> 01:36:20,200
every day so it's really hard to
explain to anybody. 

1533
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:23,200
There was just so much that 
happened so much that I can't 

1534
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:25,500
even get into. 
At the end of the day. 

1535
01:36:25,500 --> 01:36:28,200
I think the most important thing
to remember is that we're all 

1536
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:30,600
human beings. 
People have their struggles, 

1537
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:33,800
people have their inner demons, 
people have their own stuff 

1538
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:36,100
going on. 
For me, it was time to leave 

1539
01:36:36,100 --> 01:36:39,400
that situation. 
Isshin and be as a happy and 

1540
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:41,500
healthy and be as happy and 
healthy. 

1541
01:36:41,500 --> 01:36:44,600
As I deserve to be very nice 
response. 

1542
01:36:45,300 --> 01:36:48,400
And yeah, in the same interview,
just said that the feud between 

1543
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:52,900
her and Lisa was her faults. 
And that she had to work through

1544
01:36:52,900 --> 01:36:56,500
some stuff in her own life. 
And then Lisa, very sweetly 

1545
01:36:56,500 --> 01:36:59,600
says, definitely not your fault 
Jesse. 

1546
01:37:00,900 --> 01:37:06,600
Oh, which okay, definitely makes
it seem like there. 

1547
01:37:06,700 --> 01:37:11,200
A yeah, definitely say rubies 
ball. 

1548
01:37:11,700 --> 01:37:17,600
Yeah but I think it's nice but 
Lisa is very forgiving and 

1549
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:21,000
supportive of her sister. 
It seems that is nice and 

1550
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:24,100
November 2019. 
The Veronica's released our 

1551
01:37:24,100 --> 01:37:27,700
reality TV series about their 
life called The Veronicas. 

1552
01:37:27,700 --> 01:37:31,000
Blood is for life and in it, 
they talked about how they 

1553
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:34,900
didn't speak for an entire year 
which is crazy. 

1554
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:38,800
That is not bad. 
Really long. 

1555
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:42,200
Four Sisters, not talk. 
Yeah, that must have been really

1556
01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:44,600
serious. 
Whoa. 

1557
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:47,800
And just said I was in a 
relationship that wasn't good 

1558
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:50,500
for me. 
I became isolated, I had nobody 

1559
01:37:50,500 --> 01:37:54,300
anymore. 
I only had my relationship and 

1560
01:37:54,300 --> 01:37:58,000
then she starts crying and she 
says, although I have so many 

1561
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:01,700
regrets and staying as long as I
did and not standing up for 

1562
01:38:01,700 --> 01:38:04,000
myself. 
I did the most that I could in 

1563
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:06,700
love that person the best I 
could. 

1564
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:11,800
I do so much work on the idea of
acceptance and forgiveness and 

1565
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:15,900
whatever happens from there is 
that person's Karma, it will 

1566
01:38:15,900 --> 01:38:19,200
continue to manifest what their 
life is and I will continue to 

1567
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:21,600
manifest. 
What is for me? 

1568
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:26,500
And then Lisa says in the 
documentary or the reality show 

1569
01:38:26,900 --> 01:38:29,700
when someone goes through that 
kind of relationship that Jess 

1570
01:38:29,700 --> 01:38:32,000
was in. 
It's not like one day, they wake

1571
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:34,400
up, okay? 
And you forget all those 

1572
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:37,800
different things you were made 
to feel man. 

1573
01:38:38,500 --> 01:38:42,200
Sounds like it really, really, 
tore her up and like still kind 

1574
01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:44,800
of did. 
Yeah. 

1575
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:47,300
It sounds like she's saying it 
was like an abusive and 

1576
01:38:47,300 --> 01:38:49,600
emotionally abusive 
relationship, or at least a 

1577
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:52,700
toxic one, but there probably 
is. 

1578
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:56,500
So much sadness that like it did
go that way and then it couldn't

1579
01:38:56,500 --> 01:38:59,800
work out and that it wasn't. 
That's also a really cool to be 

1580
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:01,800
good. 
That's a really hard thing when 

1581
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:07,100
you're in a relationship where 
it is isolating from the other 

1582
01:39:07,100 --> 01:39:09,300
people in your life too. 
And I don't know if that's 

1583
01:39:09,300 --> 01:39:14,100
necessarily like a tactic that 
like was going on here whatever.

1584
01:39:14,100 --> 01:39:18,000
But then I feel like that makes 
it even harder to leave because 

1585
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:21,400
you're like, well, everybody in 
my life, hates me because of 

1586
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:25,900
this relationship that I'm In. 
So like, who is there to turn to

1587
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:30,200
but it's nice that like it seems
like for Jess her sister was 

1588
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:35,000
still there with open arms and I
mean, when you're a twin you 

1589
01:39:35,008 --> 01:39:36,700
guys might not know that I'm a 
twin. 

1590
01:39:37,700 --> 01:39:39,800
Yeah. 
Like that's your built-in best 

1591
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:43,400
friend like the I can only 
imagine how heartbreaking that 

1592
01:39:43,400 --> 01:39:47,400
must have been for Lisa. 
That her sister was in this 

1593
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:50,700
relationship. 
That was like, taking her away 

1594
01:39:50,700 --> 01:39:54,500
from her, I know. 
She might have thought that was 

1595
01:39:54,700 --> 01:39:56,600
how it was going to be forever. 
Yeah. 

1596
01:39:56,800 --> 01:40:00,000
Oh I didn't write this down, but
Lisa also said in the reality 

1597
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,800
show, like, oh, I became the 
enemy in this relationship. 

1598
01:40:03,900 --> 01:40:07,800
I could see to maybe, like, not 
saying that Ruby Rose 

1599
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:12,400
necessarily felt this way. 
But like maybe someone might 

1600
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:15,900
feel threatened, dating someone 
who's an identical twin because 

1601
01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:21,700
when you're a twin, you do have 
such a close bond with your 

1602
01:40:21,700 --> 01:40:24,300
twin. 
And your joined-at-the-hip 

1603
01:40:24,300 --> 01:40:28,600
you're always doing things 
together and a partner might not

1604
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:31,900
necessarily understand that when
they want to be your number one 

1605
01:40:31,900 --> 01:40:35,600
but you already have a number 
one since the day that you were 

1606
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:41,000
born, you know? 
Hmm interesting that's so weird 

1607
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:44,600
to me though because I feel like
it's so different being romantic

1608
01:40:44,600 --> 01:40:48,600
with someone or being a sibling.
Like even when I don't know I 

1609
01:40:48,608 --> 01:40:54,000
just I would hope that Ruby Rose
wouldn't be so jealous about 

1610
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:58,800
that because like, what the heck
is not the same and I know, but 

1611
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:03,800
like, I think, It would take a 
very insecure person to be 

1612
01:41:03,800 --> 01:41:07,400
threatened by that. 
But like, I think some people 

1613
01:41:07,400 --> 01:41:10,400
might still, I think some people
do get jealous of things that 

1614
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:12,900
even aren't like going to 
romantic threat to them. 

1615
01:41:12,900 --> 01:41:15,200
Interesting even. 
That's why I like honestly I 

1616
01:41:15,208 --> 01:41:18,600
think that's why in-laws Feud 
with each other right though. 

1617
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:24,000
Because like it's like oh you're
taking my son away like maybe 

1618
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:28,200
you know they like but if 
possessive I'm just saying like 

1619
01:41:28,300 --> 01:41:31,600
I don't I feel like it's just 
looking at myself. 

1620
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:32,800
That's the only point of 
reference. 

1621
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:35,200
I really have. 
I feel like I've never felt 

1622
01:41:35,200 --> 01:41:40,700
jealous. jealous of Anyone? 
I've dated like their friends or

1623
01:41:40,700 --> 01:41:43,400
their siblings or, I don't know,
I just can't even picture that, 

1624
01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:46,600
you know, I feel jealous of 
like, ex-girlfriend like someone

1625
01:41:46,600 --> 01:41:51,200
who's like romantically 
competitive with me, but not no 

1626
01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:53,300
one else. 
I might not really like them. 

1627
01:41:53,300 --> 01:41:58,500
But sometimes I will say, I was 
hanging out with my best friend 

1628
01:41:58,500 --> 01:42:01,500
Marissa with her boyfriend and I
just said to her boyfriend 

1629
01:42:01,500 --> 01:42:03,300
casually like, oh, who's your 
best friend? 

1630
01:42:03,300 --> 01:42:06,000
Like, just to, like, learn a 
little bit more about him and he

1631
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:11,700
goes, yeah, Marissa and I do 
like the jealousy that I 

1632
01:42:11,700 --> 01:42:14,800
suddenly felt that he okay. 
But that's still not what I'm 

1633
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:18,600
talking about though because 
you're not Marissa's boyfriend, 

1634
01:42:20,300 --> 01:42:25,300
Ruby Ruby being jealous of her 
girlfriends sibling. 

1635
01:42:25,300 --> 01:42:28,200
I just can't really picture 
that, but maybe she just didn't 

1636
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:32,300
like her. 
Yeah, some people do get jealous

1637
01:42:32,300 --> 01:42:37,100
of like there. 
Like let's say you're dating a 

1638
01:42:37,108 --> 01:42:40,800
guy and he's so close like with 
his mom and he tells his mom, 

1639
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:43,800
everything like his. 
It's like, you're not even 

1640
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:47,500
jealous like, obviously like, oh
they're going to leave me fruit 

1641
01:42:47,500 --> 01:42:50,600
because it's like a family 
member but maybe you're jealous 

1642
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:53,900
of like the closeness that they 
had that like if push come to 

1643
01:42:53,900 --> 01:42:57,200
shove like, you would pick this 
person over me or something 

1644
01:42:57,200 --> 01:42:59,100
which is a very possessive 
mentality. 

1645
01:42:59,100 --> 01:43:01,200
Like, I don't think, I think 
it's a good thing that you can't

1646
01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:04,600
relate to that because you're 
like secure and that sense. 

1647
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:07,700
But I think a very insecure 
person might get bothered by 

1648
01:43:07,700 --> 01:43:11,200
maybe I'm just like, no one 
would ever feel about. 

1649
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:15,500
No, I think since we can't do 
that because they're like you 

1650
01:43:15,500 --> 01:43:18,300
would agree with your family 
member over me. 

1651
01:43:19,500 --> 01:43:23,700
Mmm. 
Hmm, I think tough. 

1652
01:43:23,700 --> 01:43:26,400
I think you'd have to be very 
argument and I do get the sense 

1653
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:28,700
that Ruby is a little 
argumentative. 

1654
01:43:30,300 --> 01:43:34,300
It just seemed like she is 
getting involved in arguments 

1655
01:43:34,300 --> 01:43:38,100
with people a lot, but I feel 
bad because she also has a very 

1656
01:43:38,100 --> 01:43:40,600
troubled past and it's like that
might be a part of it. 

1657
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:43,700
She is so tough. 
Yeah, she seems like she. 

1658
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:47,400
I think she's gone through so 
much trauma in her life that 

1659
01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:51,200
like she does feel like she 
always has to be like, it's hot.

1660
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:56,200
And aggressive. 
Yeah everything's always 

1661
01:43:56,200 --> 01:43:58,800
different perspectives like 
don't want to necessarily right 

1662
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:05,200
or wrong there are so then just 
a little updates just got 

1663
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:10,300
engaged to her boyfriend Kai but
then they actually saw in 2020 

1664
01:44:10,300 --> 01:44:13,300
during the pandemic. 
Oh I think there were long 

1665
01:44:13,300 --> 01:44:18,800
distance because it covid and 
very sadly the twins mother 

1666
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:24,300
ended up passing away in 2021. 
One of that disease which 

1667
01:44:24,300 --> 01:44:29,300
obviously was very hard for both
of them but rest in peace. 

1668
01:44:29,300 --> 01:44:32,500
Yes. 
Colleen, I keep forgetting how 

1669
01:44:32,508 --> 01:44:35,200
to pronounce her last name or 
your last. 

1670
01:44:35,200 --> 01:44:38,500
You probably said it several 
different ways throughout the 

1671
01:44:38,500 --> 01:44:43,900
several throne and happy times 
were ahead for just though, she 

1672
01:44:43,900 --> 01:44:50,900
began a new relationship with a 
woman named Alex Smith the same 

1673
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:56,100
And they are now engaged so 
nice. 

1674
01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:02,300
Wow good. 
Good in 2018, Ruby Rose started.

1675
01:45:02,300 --> 01:45:05,800
Playing Batwoman on the CW, show
called Bat woman. 

1676
01:45:05,800 --> 01:45:08,600
But she also appeared as 
Batwoman in the shows, the flash

1677
01:45:08,700 --> 01:45:11,500
arrow and Supergirl. 
Since then I think she's stopped

1678
01:45:11,500 --> 01:45:15,100
playing Batwoman. 
But then very recently in 

1679
01:45:15,100 --> 01:45:20,000
February 20, 23 Ruby announced 
on her Instagram that she's 

1680
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:24,600
going to write a book. 
Book and she posted in her story

1681
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:29,300
and she said the truth, it will 
piss a lot of people off dot dot

1682
01:45:29,300 --> 01:45:31,600
dot. 
But maybe you should have been 

1683
01:45:31,600 --> 01:45:35,900
better question, mark, excited 
to be free excited to tell the 

1684
01:45:35,900 --> 01:45:40,000
truth on the sisters, how 
horrific you were. 

1685
01:45:41,800 --> 01:45:44,100
On the sisters. 
Yeah, like on the sisters 

1686
01:45:44,100 --> 01:45:47,000
question, mark how horrific you 
were? 

1687
01:45:47,700 --> 01:45:51,000
And then she says, imagine 
mistaking, kindness for 

1688
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:53,600
weakness. 
So basically saying that she's 

1689
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:58,200
going to like expose the 
Veronica sisters in her mouth, 

1690
01:45:58,600 --> 01:46:03,800
but I want to read that I know. 
Yeah, this is this episode could

1691
01:46:03,800 --> 01:46:07,300
definitely have a follow-up 
that's really aggressive. 

1692
01:46:07,300 --> 01:46:09,400
Yes. 
And this is years later at this 

1693
01:46:09,400 --> 01:46:11,100
point. 
This is like five years later. 

1694
01:46:11,400 --> 01:46:13,900
Years later. 
What? 

1695
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:18,000
Hmm I don't I don't really know 
even like who Rubio stated since

1696
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:21,200
then but seems like she's still 
kind of upset about this. 

1697
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:27,000
And then later she went on a 
radio show and Nova's FM, Fitzy 

1698
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:30,300
and whip and Australia. 
And she said that she had posted

1699
01:46:30,300 --> 01:46:33,200
that story because she was 
writing about her past trauma 

1700
01:46:33,200 --> 01:46:37,000
and she felt very triggered. 
And then she said, to be honest,

1701
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:39,100
I stumbled across a picture from
the Pitch. 

1702
01:46:39,100 --> 01:46:43,100
Perfect 3, the premiere, And I'd
forgotten that just how I 

1703
01:46:43,100 --> 01:46:46,100
looked. 
I'm very amazing emancipated. 

1704
01:46:46,200 --> 01:46:49,600
And so that's why I wrote what I
wrote but what the book really 

1705
01:46:49,600 --> 01:46:55,100
is, what matters to me is to me 
to kind of change The Narrative 

1706
01:46:55,100 --> 01:46:57,600
of it. 
It's not some sort of tell all 

1707
01:46:57,600 --> 01:46:59,900
like, Prince Harry. 
It's sort of here are some 

1708
01:46:59,900 --> 01:47:02,100
things that happened that are 
pretty hard. 

1709
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:05,400
I wanted to be more of an 
inspiring book, as opposed to, 

1710
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:09,000
you know, just a Revenge book 
and it's not on Gossip book. 

1711
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:11,400
It's definitely not a book. 
I should be writing without My 

1712
01:47:11,400 --> 01:47:13,100
therapist. 
Hmm. 

1713
01:47:13,500 --> 01:47:18,300
But that post seemed very 
Revenge gossip but yeah I did on

1714
01:47:18,300 --> 01:47:25,200
the sisters Ohio. 
Okay, you're so gossipy crazy 

1715
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:29,300
because like Ruby was the one 
that posted that very nice and 

1716
01:47:29,300 --> 01:47:33,400
like, cordial breakup posed. 
So it's like I don't think that.

1717
01:47:33,400 --> 01:47:37,400
Yeah and can be like, oh, you 
were horrific and less you're 

1718
01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:41,000
talking about after the fact but
like this is so confusing. 

1719
01:47:41,100 --> 01:47:46,400
Using, I mean, I guess I just 
has said a lot of things that 

1720
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:52,000
indicate that Ruby was toxic. 
So I could understand and Ruby's

1721
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:55,400
perspective wanting to tell your
side of the story. 

1722
01:47:55,500 --> 01:47:58,800
But yeah, I don't know, that's 
gotta suck. 

1723
01:47:58,900 --> 01:48:01,500
I think, I don't think it really
makes Ruby. 

1724
01:48:01,500 --> 01:48:06,200
Unfortunately, look any less 
Toxic by posting on Instagram 

1725
01:48:06,200 --> 01:48:08,200
that she's gonna like, expose 
them. 

1726
01:48:09,400 --> 01:48:12,500
I don't know, maybe she Just 
move on. 

1727
01:48:12,500 --> 01:48:14,100
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1728
01:48:14,100 --> 01:48:16,900
Because you were just because 
maybe someone thought you were 

1729
01:48:16,900 --> 01:48:20,500
toxic and relationship like you 
can change. 

1730
01:48:20,700 --> 01:48:24,600
Yeah. 
I think you can be better. 

1731
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:28,500
I don't know or maybe it was all
made up. 

1732
01:48:28,500 --> 01:48:33,300
Oh my God. 
I just think it's like I think 

1733
01:48:33,300 --> 01:48:36,500
there's, I don't know, we don't 
know them. 

1734
01:48:36,500 --> 01:48:39,000
I don't want to give my opinion,
but I'm getting the sense. 

1735
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:43,300
Like Ruby is a little bit 
aggressive here and she does, it

1736
01:48:43,300 --> 01:48:46,800
does seem like she repeatedly 
has conflict with people and to 

1737
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:51,200
me the fact that these sisters 
who were so close their entire 

1738
01:48:51,200 --> 01:48:53,900
lives and then they start having
conflict. 

1739
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:58,200
Yes, he seems. 
Because of Ruby is a Telltale 

1740
01:48:58,200 --> 01:49:02,400
sign to me, but like, maybe but 
that doesn't mean Ruby. 

1741
01:49:02,600 --> 01:49:04,800
She could have a totally 
different perspective. 

1742
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:10,100
Like I'm, we don't know, but 
doesn't doesn't really look good

1743
01:49:10,100 --> 01:49:13,500
to me. 
Me neither, like, I'm probably 

1744
01:49:13,500 --> 01:49:15,300
on just aside. 
I'm probably picking her in the 

1745
01:49:15,300 --> 01:49:21,400
custody battle. 
Yeah, I think I don't know if 

1746
01:49:21,400 --> 01:49:24,200
we're at that point yet but I 
think I would pick her too. 

1747
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:26,100
We are. 
Yeah, I don't really have any 

1748
01:49:26,100 --> 01:49:29,100
other information, you have 
someone. 

1749
01:49:29,100 --> 01:49:32,000
If one of them got custody of 
me, I think I would have picked 

1750
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:35,100
Jess. 
Yeah, it does seem like Ruby had

1751
01:49:35,100 --> 01:49:37,600
a really tough time with the 
breakup. 

1752
01:49:37,900 --> 01:49:42,100
And I think that happens though,
sometimes like people I mean 

1753
01:49:42,100 --> 01:49:46,200
they're really heartbroken, and 
then they just try to try to 

1754
01:49:46,200 --> 01:49:48,800
think of like how the other 
person was the bad guy and the 

1755
01:49:48,808 --> 01:49:51,700
villain. 
And yeah it's just it's 

1756
01:49:51,700 --> 01:49:54,000
unfortunate that it seems like 
years later. 

1757
01:49:54,100 --> 01:49:59,300
She has a worse opinion of it 
then when it actually have ended

1758
01:49:59,300 --> 01:50:02,500
but can't believe that. 
I know I'm not crazy. 

1759
01:50:02,600 --> 01:50:07,700
See ya, I thought when they got 
back together like, oh, yeah, 

1760
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:11,600
and then, I was even going to 
say, like, I thought to myself, 

1761
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:14,200
okay, even if they did break up 
again, like maybe they'll get 

1762
01:50:14,200 --> 01:50:17,600
back together. 
But now I feel like know, 

1763
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:20,400
probably I mean, did I don't, I 
don't think it would be 

1764
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:25,000
impossible but just seems like 
she's learned a lot from this 

1765
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:30,200
and reflected on it and now kind
of distance herself and so I 

1766
01:50:30,200 --> 01:50:32,500
can't really imagine that 
happening again. 

1767
01:50:32,600 --> 01:50:35,800
N-no. 
I think it's over for good 

1768
01:50:36,700 --> 01:50:39,200
that's sad for the people that 
really loved them. 

1769
01:50:40,400 --> 01:50:44,300
Huh? 
Rob and Kristen each other like 

1770
01:50:44,300 --> 01:50:48,200
this. 
Oh I would be so sad because I 

1771
01:50:48,200 --> 01:50:50,400
also never want to pick sides 
with them. 

1772
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:55,700
I know. 
Yeah I think I was probably like

1773
01:50:55,700 --> 01:51:00,500
a 5% chance three percent chance
that they'll get back together. 

1774
01:51:00,900 --> 01:51:02,600
Yeah maybe three. 
Hmm. 

1775
01:51:03,700 --> 01:51:11,800
I would never say zero that 
would be too close-minded. 

1776
01:51:12,900 --> 01:51:15,500
Hmm. 
Wow to me. 

1777
01:51:15,500 --> 01:51:19,600
It was so interesting to me. 
It seems like Ruby is still hung

1778
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:23,000
up on just in a way like the 
fact that you're even on in. 

1779
01:51:23,100 --> 01:51:26,800
Instagram talking about them 
years later, I do. 

1780
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:33,900
Yeah, it does. 
I am curious to read that book 

1781
01:51:33,900 --> 01:51:37,500
and that's cool because I really
didn't know anything about them 

1782
01:51:37,500 --> 01:51:39,700
and now it's by the end of this.
I'm like I would read her. 

1783
01:51:39,700 --> 01:51:49,600
Yeah, yeah, hopefully he doesn't
come for us but yes, that's the 

1784
01:51:49,600 --> 01:51:52,600
episode. 
Jesus two hours. 

1785
01:51:52,600 --> 01:51:56,600
Okay, thank you to Yannick. 
Oh yes, hope I'm saying your 

1786
01:51:56,600 --> 01:51:59,600
name right, but thank you for 
suggesting that. 

1787
01:51:59,600 --> 01:52:02,400
That was really cool. 
That was such a good idea and 

1788
01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:05,600
thank you. 
Any Australian listeners who 

1789
01:52:05,600 --> 01:52:09,600
have tuned in. 
Yep. 

1790
01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:15,600
Hope to visit your country 
someday and yes with that. 

1791
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:20,900
I'll tease our next episode and 
I think yes give it away but 

1792
01:52:21,500 --> 01:52:24,300
this is I'm actually confused on
what yours is. 

1793
01:52:25,300 --> 01:52:30,100
So this will be a timely episode
about a recent breakup that has 

1794
01:52:30,100 --> 01:52:31,400
been in the headlines. 
Headlines. 

1795
01:52:33,100 --> 01:52:35,400
Okay, I think this is. 
You changed it? 

1796
01:52:35,400 --> 01:52:38,400
Yeah, I changed it. 
Yeah, can't wait. 

1797
01:52:38,500 --> 01:52:41,300
So I think you guys probably 
might already know what it is 

1798
01:52:41,300 --> 01:52:46,900
but fella pink story find up and
we always we always ask people 

1799
01:52:46,900 --> 01:52:49,400
to guess on her Instagram, too. 
Mmm. 

1800
01:52:49,700 --> 01:52:52,400
And then reveal. 
Are you going to post today? 

1801
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:53,900
I guess fun. 
I guess today. 

1802
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:58,000
Yeah, yeah. 
I am going to, but I have to 

1803
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:00,500
find a good picture. 
I know that's hard. 

1804
01:53:00,700 --> 01:53:03,900
And it is hard, I'm afraid with 
this. 

1805
01:53:03,900 --> 01:53:05,400
Some people are going to be 
like, what? 

1806
01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:08,300
Yeah, I don't know who that, I 
guess we can say on this one. 

1807
01:53:08,300 --> 01:53:10,900
That it's the Zelda and a 
scoffing. 

1808
01:53:10,900 --> 01:53:12,900
Yeah. 
Because you guys already know at

1809
01:53:12,900 --> 01:53:14,700
this point. 
Yeah. 

1810
01:53:15,500 --> 01:53:18,200
That one's coming out this week.
We're talking to the Future 

1811
01:53:18,200 --> 01:53:20,500
people right now. 
Yeah. 

1812
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:24,100
Crazy. 
Cool. 

1813
01:53:24,100 --> 01:53:28,000
Well, thank you Mel. 
And thank you everybody for 

1814
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:32,100
listening and we'll get back 
together next week.