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Are You Lonesome Tonight? 
Do you miss me tonight? 

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Are you sorry? 
We drifted does your mail? 

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It's recording. 
Hi. 

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Hey guys, welcome to significant
lovers mmm-hmm My square. 

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But sorry my chair is squeaky 
mostly. 

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This is your podcast for a 
weekly true. 

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Love story who love podcast. 
You know what I got me thinking 

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about the other day. 
What I feel like this actually 

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might be a really good podcast 
for anyone who's going through a

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breakup or heartbreak. 
Yeah, relationship troubles in. 

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General because it really makes 
you feel like, you know what, 

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people have gone through a lot 
worse. 

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I yeah, for real that always 
helps me. 

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Like, obviously you have your 
family and friends to use as a 

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reference. 
But like, in the past when I 

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have felt heartbroken, I always 
think about like, okay? 

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Even Lana Del Rey has been 
removing even Beyonce or 

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whatever, you know what I mean? 
And it's kind of your novel. 

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You're not violent. 
People have made it The other 

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side if you fall in love again. 
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interesting, talented famous 
Rich Royal people. 

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Yes, yes, Richie. 
So obviously it's a little worst

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ways to some of these 
relationships that we've covered

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have been downright like 
traumatic. 

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So if you've been dumped or 
cheated on or divorced out of 

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the blue or something like that,
you're not alone, it's a part of

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The Human Experience. 
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It doesn't mean you're not 
worthy. 

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No. 
No has nothing to do with you. 

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Yeah. 
Usually it doesn't have anything

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to do with you. 
They might be going through a 

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midlife crisis or something. 
Hmm. 

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Guess what? 
We're here to say exactly. 

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And yeah, this story in 
particular, by the way, my name 

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is Mel and I'm Kelly. 
I'm Cal production melon Kel 

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Jefferson's that's our joint 
last name. 

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Yeah Duffy and Then you guys 
would not even know our last 

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night. 
I know. 

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We never really say it some 
podcasts. 

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They do say their full name. 
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Like, you know, I'm, I could 
think I'm Brett McKay. 

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Yeah, I'm Melissa. 
Duffy, I'm Kelly Anderson and 

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you're listening to significant 
lover. 

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Yeah, but yeah. 
So today's episode, we're going 

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back to the mid 2000s. 
Mid 2000's, we're covering. 

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What was the it couple of a 
certain era yet, especially if 

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you were in like fourth to 
seventh grade or something? 

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Around this time it's Vanessa is
a NASA Zac Efron and Vanessa 

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Hudgens. 
Wow. 

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Yeah, I can really remember like
Tiger Beat magazine 18 people, 

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what are the other ones, Bop Bop
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Said they were always on the 
cover? 

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Yeah. 
All the time. 

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You really were like an a 
couple. 

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Yeah. 
Prom king and queen that I 

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almost like to, I haven't like 
followed them. 

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I didn't. 
I only read like those teen 

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magazines that I feel like we're
mostly fake. 

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I could be wrong. 
But no, like the Articles were 

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kind of silly. 
Um, so I really don't know 

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anything like real about them. 
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I mean, yeah. 
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this one. 
It was a tough because I still 

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in a way. 
Feel like I don't really know 

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what was going on. 
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Episode is trying to figure it 
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very PDA at a certain point. 
Like there's, there's no 

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shortage of pictures of them 
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of things. 
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because there's just like too 
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It's interesting. 
Like, they're huge and Vanessa 

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like she then went on, to have 
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relationship. 
I think with love. 

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Relationship. 
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Awesome Butler. 
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more popular known like, after 
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Yeah, after we broke up that 
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Yeah, she's good at bouncing 
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So, I have to ask the question. 
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couple in three words, what 
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That's actually a really tough. 
I would say attractive. 

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Yeah, that's true. 
True attractive young. 

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Uh-huh. 
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Don't you want? 
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I don't think we've had those 
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And they were very, very young 
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you some backstory so obviously 
we know Zac Efron, right? 

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He is a California boy. 
Born in. 

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Saint. 
Louis people. 

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Oh, I went there really is a 
bespoke. 

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Yeah, that governs Hometown. 
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Didn't see him there. 
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Southern California. 
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He had just a normal childhood 
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Middle-class families Jewish. 
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I know I well I don't know if I 
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definitely no one else it didn't
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His dad is named David. 
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a power plant, and his mom is an
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administrator at that power 
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and he has a brother Dylan who 
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and as of recently like I think 
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a new sister named Olivia that 
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How is it possible? 
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Some people. 
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baby with someone else. 
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divorced. 
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two parents who were married so 
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That's okay. 
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I God, but age gap between the 
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Seriously, like 30-something 
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different generation. 
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one you'll this baby is like, 
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The, I don't even know what 
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Ava, there's always starting 08,
his parents actually, did they 

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got divorce officially in 2015. 
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that he's, you know, he's had it
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don't know that Begley heard 
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Hmm, but we don't really know 
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So Zach growing up, he took 
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And at 11 years old, his piano 
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theater at Pacific. 
Servitor e of the Performing 

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Arts due to his singing 
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It's always a happens with these
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Like someone's like you gotta 
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role in the production jib sheet
Gypsy, which inspired him to 

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pursue acting further and he 
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led him to getting an agent. 
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Zack had minor appearing roles 
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Miami is biggest Roll Before 
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Musical was a recurring cast 
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Summerland, which started? 
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Jesse. 
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if that's how I like randomly 
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it. 
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halster like you thousands like 
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like really is good at yeah. 
Here's a California boy. 

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He's throwing through it on the 
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I know maybe he was with her two
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Yeah. 
He's very California and Vanessa

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like she seems pretty New York 
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not, she's also from California 
but she's like very musical 

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theater. 
Mmm, big and musical theater. 

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Obviously Zach is to really know
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Yeah, like that's like really 
her passion. 

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She's like a theater kid. 
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Wow. 
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Like more so than film I would 
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Rachel Berry just kidding that. 
She's I think Vanessa is very 

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adorable. 
Like yeah, I do to everything I 

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watch. 
Like she's the most adorable. 

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Like contagious energy and yeah,
smile. 

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She just seems very lovely even 
when she had that video about 

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Goldman, but people freaked out 
about there is something a 

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little interior I know. 
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like it was kind of cute. 
It was like way in the 

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beginning. 
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I don't know. 
Like it rise home. 

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Yeah, sure. 
Some people like felt this that 

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way like way later. 
That's true. 

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But she had her like hair. 
Very curly Shepherd. 

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Pretty people have gone over 
that me too. 

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I think it's hard, not to like, 
Vanessa Hudgens, like, what's 

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wrong with her, you know. 
I'm excited to hear more. 

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Yeah, so she was born in Salinas
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Her family moved around a lot. 
They like never really stayed in

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one place. 
I think I mostly lived in San 

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Francisco, San Diego, but I'm 
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Gregory. 
He was a firefighter. 

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He sadly passed away in 2016 and
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He passed away the day Tuesday 
and grease live. 

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Do you remember? 
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the After he died, that's so 
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I know if she did, it's so 
strong. 

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And then, yeah, she did an 
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Wow. 
She's like such a professional. 

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Like, I Can Tell She's like 
really like into her work and 

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strong person. 
Hmm. 

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And I listened to her on this 
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Has nothing to do with this, but
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just like talked a lot about 
like meditation and mindfulness.

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And I just I adore her If you're
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lovable her mom. 
The same Tina. 

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She had many jobs throughout 
Vanessa's childhood, she 

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immigrated to the United States 
from Manila Philippines, I don't

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know when I think as an adult I 
think. 

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But she mostly was just like, 
you know, supportive of Vanessa.

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And Vanessa's sister. 
Stella. 

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Who is seven years younger than 
Vanessa? 

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I remember still of onions. 
Yeah, she looks a lot like the 

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nice. 
A so yeah, it was active in us 

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are both oldest children. 
Really have that in common. 

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They do well. 
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actually no Zack. 
Now is a baby sister, but it 

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still makes him the oldest. 
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Vanessa's, Grandparents were 
musicians and that inspired her 

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to sing a lot growing up. 
And she did musical theater from

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a very early age and starred in 
Productions. 

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Like The Wizard of Oz Cinderella
the music man. 

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And from there, her parents 
would drive her three hours to 

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La for our auditions for things.
And after she started to see 

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some success with getting 
commercials and stuff, she the 

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family moved to LA. 
Wow. 

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And likes actually had a lot of 
like just reappearing rolls on 

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like Network TV shows and stuff,
but then, her first big break 

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was in 2003 at age 13. 
She was cast by Catherine, 

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hardwicke, for the film 13. 
What? 

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We did not know that. 
Yeah, she's like, one of the, 

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just like the friends. 
Oh my gosh, I need to re-watch 

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this movie. 
Hmm. 

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She's very young and I she's 13 
obviously. 

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Yeah, yeah, that's so cool. 
And then she also had a 

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supporting role in the 2004, 
sci-fi film Thunderbirds, which 

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didn't really perform that well 
but her height okay well then 

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let her be homeschooled or High 
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that so then she was 
home-schooled I started. 

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So yeah that takes us to 2005 
High School Musical, 2005. 

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Five that came out in the 
summer, right? 

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The second one did. 
Oh okay. 

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The first one came out in the 
winter. 

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Actually, I remember watching 
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My friend Katie's house 
shout-out. 

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Yeah, I remember High School. 
Musical 2, like counting down. 

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Yeah. 
For the day but there is on TV. 

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Right? 
Yeah. 

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Funny I know seriously wasn't 
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Yes, that was in theaters. 
I don't know if I saw that. 

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I think I saw with you. 
Well, what? 

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Happens in it. 
It's called a high school senior

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year and okay. 
All right. 

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Vanessa gets accepted to a 
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Okay, this always happens Amber.
So she might leave school early.

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Oh my God. 
I need to re-watch this movies 

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that gets into Juilliard or not.
Dr. Troy. 

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Yeah, Troy what? 
Wow, Gabriella. 

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Why is Julliard in so many 
movies? 

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I know would I need to really 
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He's a living in like to Shadow.
I think of Juilliard is like 

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Prodigy pianists and like 
ballerinas and stuff. 

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I know he's been into musicals 
wasn't even that good. 

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I know. 
And how are his grave? 

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That's a good point, how is 
good? 

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And now I want to re-watch them,
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getting into Juilliard. 
She was yeah, it was really, 

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really good at school, on top of
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right? 
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science to if you listen to our 
Charles and Camilla episode, you

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would know that I do not share 
that trait with Gabriella. 

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And yeah, my I know math is 
hard. 

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Yes, she's a freaky math, girl 
member, she calls herself that 

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it get, they can hear that. 
You honestly can't call yourself

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that when you're like very 
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One nerd. 
I know. 

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Okay, so High School Musical. 
So, a little back story on High 

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School Musical. 
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So, Disney Channel saw a lot of 
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episodes of The Even Stevens. 
Interesting. 

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Remember like we went to the 
moon in 1969. 

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No, no, no. 
You don't remember that. 

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Run sings it. 
No. 

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Okay. 
I don't think I really watched 

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Even Stevens that much. 
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Yeah, it was yeah it was like 
mostly reruns and stuff. 

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We were growing up and have you 
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the other members on all the 
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You guys know it. 
We went to the moon in 1969 but 

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96 not. 
Everyone's gonna remember this 

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sir. 
You know it's hard to do graphic

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is older, that's true but most 
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age range, I guess. 
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had a musical episode 2, but I 
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one. 
Remember any of these? 

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Those were huge success hits. 

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their musical genres. 
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And you know, they have the 
Cheetah Girls and everything. 

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I love the Cheetah Girls. 
So casting. 

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So at this time Vanessa is 15 
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Years old. 
So, yeah, I know their baby. 

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I thought they were like, 18 
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Oh my gosh. 
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revealed to Variety in 2021 that
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super hard on possible in order 
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this was a real musical, I 
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So they could really know what 
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something. 
Some says, we're an auditions as

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if we were doing a Broadway 
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a really long procedure. 
OSS agents would call casting 

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director saying what is going 
on. 

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Why are you keeping them so 
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I was set on making these 
actors. 

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Making sure these actors had all
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So they really cast the best of 
the best. 

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And Zack told Hollywood Reporter
in 2014. 

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My mom dropped me off out of the
minivan somewhere in North 

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Hollywood. 
I had no idea what to expect. 

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They're about 40 guys and we 
walked in and Kenny Ortega was 

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there with a piano and then put 
everybody in a room together. 

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Ran through different phases, of
what we would need to do. 

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First dancing than singing. 
In a few of us. 

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Got tapped on the shoulder to 
leave and I didn't. 

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And next came the scene scene 
reading sections, and I got 

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paired with Vanessa Hudgens for 
all the partner things made a, 

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Vanessa always got paired up. 
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for callbacks, I don't know what
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of clicked from the very 
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Wow. 
I have a question, but I feel 

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like you're probably going to 
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supposedly good at singing and I
know he did sing and hairspray 

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and Yang's, right. 
Why did they have someone else? 

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Sing his Parts in High School 
Musical? 

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That's a really good question. 
It's because the music was 

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already written for someone with
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a, what do you call that? 
He's an also, so they wrote it 

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for a tenner. 
So, I didn't fit into the vocal 

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range and he can sing, right? 
Yeah, he can't sing. 

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And he's saying in High School. 
Musical. 2 and High School 

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Musical 3. 
Wow. 

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That's so interesting. 
I always back then when I was 

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like, in fifth grade wherever 
took that to mean the he wasn't 

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a good singer. 
No, I thought so, too. 

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I remember hearing rumors that 
his singing voice just wasn't 

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strong enough. 
Mmm. 

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But no, it's just, they had 
already like arrange the music. 

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Wow. 
Someone with the higher voice, 

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that's the truth. 
Mmm, sounds that you. 

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Here, Doc is a good singer. 
Wow, I think I mean, oh yeah, I 

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mean he was in musical. 
Yeah, I have to be a good singer

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to be musical. 
Yeah. 

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Exactly. 
And I feel like they wouldn't 

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have casted someone who just 
like can't sing it, you know. 

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Yeah. 
And he did musicals like in 

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school, mmm. 
I'm guessing. 

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He was the leader. 
Yeah? 

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Right. 
So I don't think you can be the 

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lead of your bad singing. 
Yeah, Disney didn't have a lot 

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of confidence, so I feel like in
there singers, like if you go 

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back and listen, They do this to
Vanessa and High School Musical,

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and they did it to Hilary Duff 
in the Lizzie. 

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Lizzie McGuire Movie. 
They add like another person 

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voice. 
Yeah. 

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And it's the same noise in High 
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of McGarvey, it's like some 
random woman paste. 

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You can tell is like in her 30s 
or 40s like maybe it's because 

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they're really young doing. 
The voice will sound too babyish

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or something. 
Maybe they did and Metamorphoses

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Hilary Duff's. 
Yeah. 

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Like you can tell there's 
somebody else. 

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Yeah. 
I do think our voice is a little

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too baby. 
I listened to those songs and 

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like what the heck is sweet? 
16. 

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Hilary Duff's. 
I know we will. 

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I used to love her. 
Oh my God. 

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Wanted to her concerts. 
I think she has the the thing 

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that Vanessa has was just like 
this contagious, like lovable 

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energy. 
Yeah, maybe that's why they're 

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on the Disney Channel, maybe. 
But so also casting director, 

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Natalie Heart told variety. 
And 2021 Vanessa was so smitten 

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with Zac. 
She said he's too cute, I can't 

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read with him, she had a 
meltdown. 

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I Vanessa all season finale of 
Vanessa's, kind of said, the 

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same thing on the awards chatter
podcast and 2019. 

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She said, I think I only got 
matched up with one other guy 

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and then I was matched up with 
Zach for the rest of the time. 

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And I mean, I was a baby. 
I was 15 years old and I was 

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like, oh my God, this guy is so 
cute, so that definitely helps 

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the chemistry. 
I felt like we kind of created a

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bond. 
Right from the start. 

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We were like, we're doing this 
us or nothing in this podcast. 

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Vanessa said that they began 
dating, pretty much right away, 

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but I don't believe it. 
Okay, maybe I did. 

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But like, why do you think? 
No, I'll get to it, it seems He 

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didn't but so that's so they 
filmed High School Musical in 

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2005, I would say Summer 2005, 
in Salt Lake City. 

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Utah. 
What? 

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It wasn't really Albuquerque. 
No, it wasn't dare. 

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They, I know they always fool us
like that. 

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So yeah, like their first 
appearance together is at Ashley

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Tisdale's, birthday party, on 
October 9th, 2005 and West 

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Hollywood, where a ton of teen 
tween stars were in attendance. 

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Like the guy. 
Oh my God! 

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Oh my God, he was really cute. 
And I mean twin stars, it makes 

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me think that like, it was 
sponsored or something by Disney

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Channel, but yeah, exactly. 
Vanessa, they take this picture 

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together as you can see. 
But I mean they look cute but 

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they do look cute six million 
the kind of cozied up, but Who 

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knows? 
Like they could just be friends.

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Mmm, but they're supposedly 
dating there. 

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That's what they have said. 
So, that is 2006. 

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High School Musical was released
on January 20th and was the 

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highest rated Disney Channel 
movie ever to be released. 

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At that point, it was watched by
7.7 million viewers. 

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Well, zakah Vanessa did a lot of
press together, but they weren't

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publicly a couple at the time. 
There are pictures of them 

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looking kind of cuddly, but I 
don't know. 

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Zach is also very cuddly with 
Ashley Tisdale to and I almost, 

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I think I almost think that, 
like, if they were a fake 

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couple, which some people do 
think that they were hmm. 

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That the people at Disney 
Channel wanted to, like, test 

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out exact with Ashley, or is 
Zach with Vanessa to see, like 

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which one was more popular 
trusting. 

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Because even like, they had that
episode of The Suite Life of 

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Zack & Cody, oh, we rationally 
in it. 

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Yeah, or where Zach is on it. 
Maddie Ashley's character 

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kisses, Zac Efron was thought 
about, you know, yeah, that's 

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interesting, but more on that to
come. 

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So Vanessa at this time in 2006,
when High School Musical has 

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just come out, is interviewed on
TRL and is asked, is there any 

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chemistry off-screen with Zach? 
And she says, you see it on 

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screen? 
And then the interviewer says, 

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is he your boyfriend and Vanessa
quickly says, no. 

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And then the interviewer says, 
do you have a boyfriend? 

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And she says no. 
Okay, hmm, interesting, 

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interesting. 
But then the interviewers starts

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asking, like who's your 
celebrity crush and she says, 

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Matt Damon Mario Lopez what. 
I mean it was, you know, 15 

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years ago. 
I know, I know, so they're 

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hotties, you know bag that I'm 
not again not now but and then 

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the interviewer goes, your 17. 
Can't you find someone? 

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Rage and she goes. 
Okay, fine Stacks cute. 

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But then every other girl thinks
he's cute too. 

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Hmm. 
Just fmm does very tough, it was

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really tough. 
On everybody thinks the person 

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you're. 
I remember cute. 

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Yeah. 
Or did you say? 

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I remember we talked about this 
on our Twilight podcast another 

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by Twilight and you guys want 
more Buzz. 

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Um, we talked about how Zac 
Efron his hair. 

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Everybody had it. 
He does. 

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Maybe it wasn't just him. 
I don't know but like it seems 

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like he inspired a generation. 
Yeah, to have that hair and then

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Robert Pattinson's hair took 
over. 

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Then it took over here, but see 
I don't what I don't understand 

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is that, when Justin Bieber came
on the scene, people acted, 

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like, I know it was the Bieber 
know that Franz, I know, is that

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kind of hurt? 
Yeah, that's so true. 

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People acting like Justin 
Bieber, came up with it. 

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Like I think Essence was a 
little bit more side-swept but 

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then he switched to the real 
repentance and he did. 

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Yeah, he was just coffee. 
Seeing everybody that doesn't 

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seem very then like the 
Macklemore. 

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Oh yes, what is it? 
Now I don't really know out and 

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about here in Brooklyn. 
I see some different hairs but 

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I'm not sure. 
It's like one. 

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Some people are doing the 90s 
hair words like kind of part in 

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the middle. 
Is it didn't get shot? 

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That's how John wetton roses 
other people doing that. 

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Um, yeah, I would call that like
the but it's not like Christian 

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me, buddy. 
Yeah, I don't know it. 

456
00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:52,600
I don't know what's going on in 
like middle school, high school.

457
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,100
Yeah, I think that is a going to
a high school where everyone's 

458
00:25:56,100 --> 00:25:59,400
doing because they're the ones 
like bone Trends more. 

459
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:00,600
I don't know. 
Then there's some people in 

460
00:26:00,608 --> 00:26:04,600
Brooklyn with like the curly 
mullet thing going on. 

461
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,600
So I don't know. 
I've seen that. 

462
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,300
Yeah, I'm trying to think. 
I would say it's a little bit 

463
00:26:10,300 --> 00:26:12,400
longer. 
Mmm here right now for. 

464
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,200
Yes. 
Yeah, I was a short hair is kind

465
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:16,700
of out right now. 
Yeah. 

466
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,700
Which we have I mean, it's not 
out. 

467
00:26:19,700 --> 00:26:24,800
It's just Is not like trendier. 
Like I don't think you would be 

468
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,800
lame or so yeah. 
Oh no. 

469
00:26:26,900 --> 00:26:32,500
Yeah, you're a loser. 
No, it's just like, what is the 

470
00:26:32,500 --> 00:26:34,700
hairdo of right now? 
I don't know. 

471
00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:38,900
Yeah. 
Have to really think on never 

472
00:26:38,900 --> 00:26:40,300
know when you're in a, that's 
true. 

473
00:26:40,300 --> 00:26:43,000
I know, I remember literally, 
like this time period. 

474
00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:46,300
I thought there was no fashion. 
I remember thinking that was, 

475
00:26:46,300 --> 00:26:48,100
like, there's no style. 
Oh, I know. 

476
00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:50,700
Like there's just nothing. 
We just In clothing. 

477
00:26:50,700 --> 00:26:52,700
That's what I thought. 
Yeah, in the 2000. 

478
00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:53,200
Yeah, I mean. 
Yeah. 

479
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,000
Me too. 
I was like we're just normal 

480
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:55,500
now. 
Yes. 

481
00:26:55,500 --> 00:26:57,300
Wear shirts and like there's 
nothing. 

482
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,600
There's nothing. 
Interesting is just plain shirts

483
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,800
and pants and I was like, oh 
2000. 

484
00:27:04,900 --> 00:27:08,200
I know. 
So introducing that perspective 

485
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,300
to really see it. 
But okay, here's some evidence 

486
00:27:12,300 --> 00:27:15,100
that I'll show you. 
So this is like, you know, right

487
00:27:15,100 --> 00:27:18,200
After High School, Musical comes
out some promo thing that given 

488
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,900
us are hugging, but he's also 
hug. 

489
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,700
Doing what the fuck Ashley 
Tisdale? 

490
00:27:24,100 --> 00:27:28,300
Ashley Tis. 
I think Ashley Tisdale love Zac 

491
00:27:28,300 --> 00:27:31,200
Efron over more on that to come 
like this, okay? 

492
00:27:31,208 --> 00:27:33,400
Don't be a theme throughout. 
She have any interesting 

493
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,000
relationships. 
I don't know. 

494
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,700
I don't think so. 
Okay Harvey. 

495
00:27:39,700 --> 00:27:41,500
Here's even more. 
So, in High School, Musical won 

496
00:27:41,500 --> 00:27:45,300
an Emmy and their photos of 
whole, exact, in Vanessa kissing

497
00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:47,400
the Emmy. 
Look at his hair, he looks kind 

498
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,700
of emo there. 
I know he had black hair for 

499
00:27:49,700 --> 00:27:52,800
Lincoln hairspray at that time, 
but seems look at this picture 

500
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,100
where exact and then I started 
thinking saying, and Ashley is 

501
00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:57,800
just like behind them. 
Hey cream. 

502
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:02,500
Yeah, interesting. 
Interesting, a she's never far 

503
00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:05,000
away. 
I need to re watch these movies.

504
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,900
You do. 
I was watching Clips online, so 

505
00:28:08,900 --> 00:28:12,000
fall of 2006 September High 
School. 

506
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,900
Musical is finally premiering in
the UK for the first time and an

507
00:28:16,900 --> 00:28:20,100
article for the Digital Spy 
comes out, interviewing the High

508
00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:22,700
School Musical cast in asks 
these questions. 

509
00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:26,200
So, the interviewer says, just 
moving away from High School 

510
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,200
Musical for a second bit of 
personal question, but are any 

511
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,700
of you in relationships at the 
moment and all three of like the

512
00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:36,500
main guys from High School, 
Musical said, No, at the same 

513
00:28:36,500 --> 00:28:40,800
time and then, Lucas Gabriel who
played Ryan has good. 

514
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,400
Musical said, we're so busy with
all this stuff and running 

515
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,400
around trying to keep a career 
together. 

516
00:28:45,700 --> 00:28:48,100
Well, not keep a career 
together, start a career, 

517
00:28:48,100 --> 00:28:51,300
basically, it's a really, it's 
really tough to devote even more

518
00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:53,200
time to somebody else. 
And I wouldn't want to do that 

519
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,800
to anybody in Corbin. 
Bleu said, I agree, I date, but 

520
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,600
I don't have a girlfriend. 
I can't make the time or the 

521
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,400
commitment. 
And then Zach, said to Corbin. 

522
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,800
Yeah. 
You just sleep around. 

523
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,600
There's only girls back in his 
hotel room. 

524
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,900
Right now they're like 17 years 
and then the interviewer says 

525
00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:13,500
and Zack, you kept quiet there. 
I'm surprised that you're not 

526
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:16,600
with anyone at the moment. 
And Zach says, oh, thank you. 

527
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,900
I take that as a compliment. 
And then Vanessa's, there she 

528
00:29:19,900 --> 00:29:22,800
goes, I'm not surprised. 
And laughs. 

529
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,000
And then Zach said, oh, I'd be 
with two beautiful girls that 

530
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,800
I'm sitting with what, what, 
meaning Vanessa and Ashley is 

531
00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:33,300
and then the interviewer said, I
was going to say and then that 

532
00:29:33,300 --> 00:29:35,600
goes, no, we're all too close of
friends. 

533
00:29:35,700 --> 00:29:37,600
Ed's. 
And Ashley says, we're like 

534
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:42,500
brothers and sisters. 
No, but why is like, he's 

535
00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:43,700
saying, we're too close of 
friends. 

536
00:29:43,700 --> 00:29:46,100
You actually are supposedly. 
Dating Vanessa. 

537
00:29:46,100 --> 00:29:49,900
Hmm, that's interesting. 
And then the interview said, one

538
00:29:49,900 --> 00:29:52,700
big happy family. 
Did you know, each other before 

539
00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:55,600
high school musical at all. 
And Vanessa goes, yeah. 

540
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,200
Me and Ashley are dating and 
laughs. 

541
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,700
And Lucas says, Ashley. 
And I knew each other, when we 

542
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:04,900
actually, and I knew each other,
when we were like four years old

543
00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:08,800
back in New York, We both grew 
up on the east coast and Ashley 

544
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,900
says, I was a link to everybody 
in Corbin says, I knew pretty 

545
00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:16,400
much everyone except for Lucas 
Ashley says, again, I knew 

546
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,400
Corbin when I was younger. 
I knew exact for three years, 

547
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,900
because of a friend who was on 
Summerland with him. 

548
00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:24,600
And I knew Vanessa, me and 
Vanessa did a commercial 

549
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,000
together, another human being 
who's not here, but she was on 

550
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:32,000
The Suite Life of Zack & Cody on
the Disney Channel and that on 

551
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,800
the Disney Channel that I'm on. 
And I just didn't know, Lucas, 

552
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:39,000
which is funny because Lucas 
literally said he knew Ashley 

553
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,500
because when they were four 
years old. 

554
00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:43,700
Yeah, what's up with that? 
I know, but I just, I know, I 

555
00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:47,300
include this, just to say here, 
I feel like Ashley Tisdale not 

556
00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:49,100
that. 
This is about Ashley, but she's 

557
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:51,900
trying to like prove that like 
she knows everybody and you 

558
00:30:51,900 --> 00:30:55,800
know, she's in yeah, this is 
like, I don't know just trying 

559
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,000
to be a little bit of a 
know-it-all. 

560
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,200
Yeah, I can see that. 
And a little possessive over 

561
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,000
Zach, I think because she knew 
him first. 

562
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:10,300
What the heck is going on. 
So, the High School Musical cast

563
00:31:10,300 --> 00:31:14,000
Then goes on tour for High 
School, Musical the concert? 

564
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,600
Oh, I remember that. 
Yeah, Zach doesn't go on to work

565
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,000
because he is filming hairspray.
He also can't sing the song. 

566
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,500
Yeah, I've, I've done thought 
that was because he couldn't 

567
00:31:23,500 --> 00:31:25,200
sing. 
Yeah, I think it's a little bit 

568
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,000
about so he's replaced by Drew 
Seeley. 

569
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,800
Who actually sang the songs in 
High School Musical? 

570
00:31:31,500 --> 00:31:34,300
Zack goes to Canada to film 
hairspray during this timeframe.

571
00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:38,300
September through December and 
he does a Q&A with Seventeen 

572
00:31:38,300 --> 00:31:40,400
magazine. 
And the interviewer, says 

573
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,700
everyone talks about your 
on-screen chemistry with Vanessa

574
00:31:43,700 --> 00:31:45,400
Hudgens. 
Do you believe in that kind of 

575
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:54,900
chemistry love at first sight 
and he goes Sorry because well 

576
00:31:54,900 --> 00:31:56,700
love at first sight, I don't 
know. 

577
00:31:56,700 --> 00:31:58,200
But of course, I believe in two 
people. 

578
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,200
Having chemistry right away. 
I connect with people on a daily

579
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,300
basis. 
Hmm kind of dismissive. 

580
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,800
Yeah. 
Then the interviewer says oh 

581
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,700
it's like he's a fill in the 
blank so it's our kind of answer

582
00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:12,600
a question but where did in 
first person? 

583
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,000
So if I like a girl, what's the 
idea of a perfect date? 

584
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,100
And he says, honestly, I really 
don't remember ever being in a 

585
00:32:19,108 --> 00:32:22,500
situation where I was like, I 
like this girl and I need Take 

586
00:32:22,500 --> 00:32:25,100
her out on a date and then 
sitting down and planning. 

587
00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:26,700
What to do? 
It's usually more like we're 

588
00:32:26,700 --> 00:32:29,800
talking on the phone and I'm 
like do you want to hang out? 

589
00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:32,300
And then we're just hanging out,
I'm not sitting there and 

590
00:32:32,300 --> 00:32:35,700
thinking now we're on a date. 
You know we're just hanging out 

591
00:32:35,700 --> 00:32:37,900
very teenage. 
I know it's really not room. 

592
00:32:37,900 --> 00:32:43,800
And yeah and whenever he's asked
questions like about dating and 

593
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,200
love, I would say, for my 
perception, I didn't write most 

594
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,600
of them down, but I would say 
he's very dismissive and not a 

595
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,100
chivalrous guy like you. 
You're staying? 

596
00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:58,200
Yeah, he is very low-key chill. 
We're just hanging out, okay? 

597
00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:03,700
So December of 2006, six vacuum 
Vanessa attend. 

598
00:33:03,700 --> 00:33:07,000
What appears like a sponsored 
Billboard Music Awards after 

599
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,900
party hosted by K Jewel, Jewel 
years, where they are 

600
00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:13,600
photographed together like 
holding merchandise enough. 

601
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:20,700
So not like too legit but that 
in 2007 January the say okay 

602
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,300
music video premieres. 
Which exact plays Vanessa's love

603
00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:28,400
interest in the music video to 
remember that know, they're like

604
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,500
on swings and stuff. 
Like he's just in the music 

605
00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:33,700
video. 
Hmm. 

606
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,600
And our rep for Vanessa tells 
AOL music that this was their 

607
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,600
official coming out as a couple.
Interesting. 

608
00:33:42,300 --> 00:33:45,300
During this time to Vanessa is 
still on tour with the rest of 

609
00:33:45,300 --> 00:33:48,000
the High School, Musical cast 
February zakah. 

610
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,100
Vanessa, had back to Utah to 
start filming High School, 

611
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:54,500
Musical 2. 
At a golf resort there because 

612
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:58,100
in the oh yeah, second one there
like at a country club. 

613
00:33:58,100 --> 00:34:01,600
Mmm. 
And there's a big big pressure 

614
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,100
form from Disney for High 
School, Musical 2 to be the hit 

615
00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:08,600
that it was just as big of a hit
as the first movie. 

616
00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:12,400
Yeah, meanwhile, Zacks career 
outside of High School. 

617
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,000
Musical is really blowing up way
more than anybody else's. 

618
00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:19,400
And so he's given permission by 
Disney, to leave the set of High

619
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,600
School, Musical 2, and attend 
auditions and tell The New York 

620
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,500
Times, personally I feel no 
competition with the cast 

621
00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:28,300
because I'm not going for the 
same things that they are. 

622
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,800
A lot of them are doing T, 
music, things and tours, various

623
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,300
TV deals in other Disney TV 
movies, and Disney albums. 

624
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,400
That's the last thing I want to 
be doing at the moment, I'm 

625
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,699
setting my sights a little bit 
higher, I don't have an album 

626
00:34:41,699 --> 00:34:48,500
coming out that's really big, I 
know, little higher. 

627
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,100
That's the last thing I want to 
do in all these cheap. 

628
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:56,400
Disney thing I know he's just 
like it's supposed girlfriend 

629
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,700
literally has an album coming 
out but I'm glad he didn't do 

630
00:34:59,700 --> 00:35:01,200
now. 
Boom means because I don't think

631
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,200
the world needed that the world 
didn't I? 

632
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,000
Okay, I don't know. 
It must be a thing about being a

633
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,500
kid or being a teenager but the 
hairspray. 

634
00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:14,600
Soundtrack still is stuck in my 
head all the time. 

635
00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:17,500
Like it means out ingrained in 
me. 

636
00:35:17,500 --> 00:35:20,600
I listen to it so much. 
It's like insane. 

637
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,300
I love High School Musical. 
And we know that is gold 

638
00:35:23,300 --> 00:35:25,400
hairspray. 
I mean, I still get his dog in 

639
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,900
my head, literally. 
The other day, I was walking 

640
00:35:29,900 --> 00:35:31,400
home from your place. 
In my head. 

641
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,700
I had the song that's like a big
blond and beautiful. 

642
00:35:38,900 --> 00:35:40,900
I can hear the bells. 
I get that one. 

643
00:35:40,900 --> 00:35:44,500
Second my hug. 
I haven't even washed it like 

644
00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:49,100
since middle school. 
We should be the one. 

645
00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:52,100
Oh wait wait wait. 
It's like a credit song, I 

646
00:35:52,100 --> 00:35:58,000
think, um, I know we've come so 
far, I've got so far to go. 

647
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,500
I'd answer that in there and my 
dance recital seaweed. 

648
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,800
Hey, mama hey, mama. 
Look around. 

649
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:10,300
Yeah, every I love Harrisburg, 
I'm doing the 60s. 

650
00:36:10,300 --> 00:36:15,200
Well, uh, of this house since 
1951. 

651
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:17,500
Yeah. 
Okay. 

652
00:36:17,500 --> 00:36:21,400
But did exactly have that much 
of a hit Besides hairspray at 

653
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,300
the time, we know he's done more
since then. 

654
00:36:23,300 --> 00:36:26,600
Well, he's working on other 
stuff at this time that like 

655
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,700
nobody else is really doing like
Vanessa actually won't have like

656
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:35,400
any other major motion film 
until I think like 2009 but Zach

657
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:40,800
is like not just hairspray but 
he's doing auditions and stuff 

658
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,800
and he is in 17 again. 
And oh yeah, just has a lot of 

659
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,000
other projects and it seems like
he's like very in demand like he

660
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,300
is the it boy. 
Yes. 

661
00:36:50,500 --> 00:36:53,500
Star and not that Vanessa is 
not, but they're still, like, 

662
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,200
doing the Disney stuff and he 
obviously has potential outside 

663
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,200
of that. 
We know. 

664
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,400
Now, what we didn't know then is
during this time of High School,

665
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:09,200
Musical 2 Zach and the rest of 
the High School Musical cast 

666
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:14,000
starts like really experimenting
with the LA party scene and just

667
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,400
partying a lot. 
And during this time Zach, I 

668
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,800
think had a lot of pressure from
No, the outside world and all 

669
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,700
these possibilities put on him 
being in this position. 

670
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,200
And so later on, like this would
kind of be the start of where 

671
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,200
like addiction issues. 
Oh no, I Rise for him, but we 

672
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,000
don't know that until many years
later. 

673
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,500
So, mmm, it does seem like he's 
like, in the prime of his life 

674
00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:39,000
right now. 
Hmm. 

675
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,100
So other things that year in, 
March, they're photographed 

676
00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:44,500
together backstage, at the Kids.
Choice Awards. 

677
00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:48,900
Just hanging out in April after 
filming High School Musical 2 

678
00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:49,900
zakah. 
Vanessa. 

679
00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:52,500
Go on. 
A vacation together in Hawaii. 

680
00:37:52,700 --> 00:37:58,000
A very luxurious Hotel well and 
they're photographed splashing 

681
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,000
around in the water and kissing 
just them older. 

682
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:07,000
They they're like 18 my God. 
I think here's a picture of them

683
00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:09,900
in the water at the Resort's. 
Yeah. 

684
00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:13,500
So this is like kind of obvious.
They're getting. 

685
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,100
But the pictures are 
suspiciously too perfect. 

686
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,300
Yeah, I know what you mean. 
So they look like models. 

687
00:38:20,500 --> 00:38:23,200
Look at his six-pack there. 
I know. 

688
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:28,100
It's a beautiful guy. 
A few weeks later, there was a 

689
00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:31,400
rumor that document has had 
actually broken up, but it 

690
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:36,200
wasn't true and may Vanessa, and
the rest of the High School, 

691
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,500
Musical cast, go to South 
America for the international 

692
00:38:39,500 --> 00:38:41,900
concert tour. 
So, they're super busy. 

693
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,600
And I want to say that Zach had 
accompanied Vanessa partially 

694
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,100
for this tour, but I don't 
really have evidence. 

695
00:38:51,100 --> 00:38:54,200
But I think on this cup of 
podcast that I listened to with 

696
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,900
Vanessa, she was telling a story
about like, being in Brazil with

697
00:38:57,900 --> 00:39:00,800
Zac Efron and I don't know, like
when else they would have gone 

698
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,500
to Brazil. 
So I feel like interesting there

699
00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:04,500
with her. 
Yeah. 

700
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,700
Just my little detective work, 
at least has some point. 

701
00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:10,000
Yeah, they're in these all 
together. 

702
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,000
Yeah. 
Otherwise we don't really know 

703
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,100
when that happened. 
So June Zach, Vanessa go to the 

704
00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:20,000
MTV Movie Awards together and in
photos, they're pretty close. 

705
00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:24,400
These can see, I don't know. 
It's like the body language. 

706
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:30,000
He's very leaned into her. 
He is there data clothes and 

707
00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:32,800
June 24th. 
Zach of Vanessa are photographed

708
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,700
wearing matching friendship, 
bracelets bracelets both on 

709
00:39:36,700 --> 00:39:38,300
their herb. 
Friendship, rings. 

710
00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:42,700
I'm sorry both on their right 
index fingers and adjusting 

711
00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:46,400
later. 
On Zach says in an interview 

712
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:52,600
that they say the Hawaiian word 
for sweetheart on them and that 

713
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:57,200
Vanessa gave it to him. 
Gotten in Hawaii, they're big in

714
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,800
those chalk tropical trips. 
We got a little redundant, they 

715
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:06,000
get rid of time with you have 
July hairspray premieres and 

716
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,900
they each arrived separately to 
the premiere but our seem to get

717
00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:14,500
there once they are inside and 
People magazine reports after 

718
00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:17,000
the pair held hands as they 
navigated their way through the 

719
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,300
after-party at the Ackerman 
Union on the UCLA campus. 

720
00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:23,600
Which I had been transformed 
into an ultra-modern blue and 

721
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,400
white Lounge. 
Each hairspray Star had his or 

722
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,900
her own table, and Efron's. 
He and Vanessa were joined by 

723
00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:32,600
their fellow High School, 
Musical Alum, Ashley Tisdale. 

724
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,200
Mmm, but Efron bombarded by 
fans, requesting photos and 

725
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,200
Industry types. 
Eager to take shake. 

726
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,900
His hand was far too busy to 
socialize with his Pals or even 

727
00:40:41,900 --> 00:40:45,200
scarf down a cheeseburger and 
when asked about the attention, 

728
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,800
he was getting that night. 
Zack said, there's a lot of 

729
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,700
females out here today. 
What can I say on and Enjoy 

730
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:53,700
myself. 
Yeah, I don't know why. 

731
00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:56,100
It's just a it's a little thing 
of mine. 

732
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,000
I know other people won't feel 
this way. 

733
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,300
I don't like when people call a 
bunch of women female, I think 

734
00:41:01,300 --> 00:41:04,300
it's like actually offensive. 
I think people say that if they 

735
00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:07,300
do something, a little 
misogynistic about it, I don't 

736
00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:11,000
know why it feels like you're 
talking about frogs or some. 

737
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:15,500
Yeah, it's like, it's like if 
you called people Homo sapiens. 

738
00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:19,000
Yeah. 
A bunch of females just sounds 

739
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,400
pretty, too. 
Like not humanizing, no heat. 

740
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,800
No hate on Zac Efron. 
But yeah, because I do feel like

741
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,700
people don't say that like 
males. 

742
00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:31,300
Like there's a lot of males. 
Yeah. 

743
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,500
Bunch of miles outside. 
Yeah. 

744
00:41:34,500 --> 00:41:37,400
I don't like it. 
It's not like it. 

745
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:42,300
Once again I don't think Zach is
romantic like a chivalrous man 

746
00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:45,000
would say there's a lot of women
here, so that beautiful women. 

747
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,100
Yeah, beautiful. 
Women are a lot of ladies here, 

748
00:41:48,300 --> 00:41:55,600
female There's some females 
here, anyway. 

749
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,000
And when Ashley Tisdale has 
asked about all the attention 

750
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,000
that is on. 
Zack. 

751
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,200
She goes, he's hot. 
I remember when he got the role,

752
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,200
I was like, that's so cool. 
He reminds me of John Travolta. 

753
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,800
Oh my god. 
Oh yeah. 

754
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,700
I just wanted to like he's hot. 
I don't I don't know if I trust 

755
00:42:12,700 --> 00:42:16,800
Ashley but maybe but I say that 
about your co-star, I know. 

756
00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:20,200
But okay, here's the thing. 
Ashley is like best. 

757
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,300
And Vanessa and Vanessa doesn't 
seem fazed by, like all the 

758
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:26,800
attention that Ashley give Zach.
Hmm. 

759
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,600
And there's even more like, this
is just the tip of the iceberg, 

760
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,100
really, okay. 
But there's something fishy 

761
00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:35,700
going on here. 
I'm just saying maybe Ashley 

762
00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:38,600
just has a crass personality or 
something. 

763
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,600
Yeah, it may be just very 
friendly to but yeah. 

764
00:42:42,700 --> 00:42:44,900
And let me just show you a 
picture of Zach and Vanessa at 

765
00:42:44,900 --> 00:42:48,900
the after-party, they look like 
a couple like, you know, they're

766
00:42:48,900 --> 00:42:52,300
facing each other. 
Yeah, posing in words. 

767
00:42:52,300 --> 00:42:54,800
Yeah unfortunately you guys 
can't see pictures because this 

768
00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:00,900
is a podcast. 
You can Google it and August 

769
00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:04,400
High School Musical 2 comes out.
So very busy summer and at the 

770
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,600
premiere once again sack of 
Vanessa pose very much like a 

771
00:43:07,607 --> 00:43:10,900
couple. 
Here's a picture for you. 

772
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:16,100
Oh yeah, he has his arm around 
her arm like on her lower back 

773
00:43:16,100 --> 00:43:18,700
but like all the way around. 
Hmm. 

774
00:43:19,100 --> 00:43:21,800
Very different. 
Style that they're doing, she's 

775
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:27,100
in like a beautiful ball gown, 
and he's in like jeans and yeah,

776
00:43:27,100 --> 00:43:28,900
it doesn't seem like they have 
the same style. 

777
00:43:28,900 --> 00:43:31,900
I know, they don't really match,
that's okay. 

778
00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:35,600
Yeah, Zach is profiled by 
Rolling Stone. 

779
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:38,900
In an article titled, the new 
American heartthrob. 

780
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:44,600
And Vanessa is asked about his 
shirtless cover by Ryan 

781
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,500
Seacrest. 
And she says, I think he looks 

782
00:43:46,500 --> 00:43:48,100
hot. 
The girls like it. 

783
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,400
And when asked, if it bothers 
her, Her. 

784
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,400
She says, no. 
I mean like ice cream along too.

785
00:43:53,900 --> 00:43:57,700
Hmm. 
And in the article, when asked 

786
00:43:57,700 --> 00:44:01,400
about Vanessa. 
So this is what the article says

787
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,100
Efron hesitates for a moment 
then decides to answer the weird

788
00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:08,600
thing that no one expected about
Vanessa, is that underneath such

789
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,600
a sweet girl? 
This Gabriella type character is

790
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,200
a very, very sexy woman. 
Hmm. 

791
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,200
I don't think anyone was 
prepared for that. 

792
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,400
He pauses and awkwardly ads as 
if he said too much. 

793
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,500
So that's just Humorous thing, 
then something odd happens. 

794
00:44:23,500 --> 00:44:27,100
Without even being asked about 
Ashley Tisdale his other co-star

795
00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:29,600
in High School Musical. 
He begins talking about her. 

796
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,600
Since we started High School 
Musical you watch Ashley grow up

797
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,000
to she's maturing and turning 
into a very, very pretty girl. 

798
00:44:36,300 --> 00:44:39,100
Just funny the way that 
everything works out what I 

799
00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:42,800
found turns red and asked if the
silver band on his hand is a 

800
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,400
commitment ring. 
I'm not even going to say who 

801
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,500
it's from. 
He says that's just a ring from 

802
00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:51,900
a friend that I got commitments.
It is way too weird, a word for 

803
00:44:51,900 --> 00:44:53,800
me. 
Right now, I'm wearing it for a 

804
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:58,300
friend, a female friend. 
It is a female friend, but I 

805
00:44:58,300 --> 00:45:02,400
can't say who because then it 
would be a chatroom fandemonium 

806
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,900
and teen magazine, hysteria. 
Yeah. 

807
00:45:05,300 --> 00:45:07,600
Oh my God. 
What the heck? 

808
00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:10,500
I know, it's just weird. 
How you brings up Ashley and 

809
00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:13,800
he's blushing. 
Oh, what's going on there? 

810
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,900
See again, this is why I think 
that like the Disney channel is 

811
00:45:16,900 --> 00:45:20,200
kind trying trying to tease. 
Yeah, I remember. 

812
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,600
Brothers, time like opening, a 
Bot Magazine, and sometimes 

813
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:28,100
seeing a Zac Efron and Ashley 
Tisdale poster, and sometimes 

814
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:31,400
seeing as Zac Efron, and Vanessa
Hudgens, put yeah, how do you 

815
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,600
think that goes down, like some 
kind of executive or Kenny 

816
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,200
Ortega? 
All right, now, we're don't know

817
00:45:36,207 --> 00:45:39,100
who the heck like a PR person 
like says his act. 

818
00:45:39,100 --> 00:45:43,500
Like make sure you mention 
Ashley, maybe who knows that. 

819
00:45:43,500 --> 00:45:45,200
But then like what's his 
incentive? 

820
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,000
Even like you know, why would he
even do it? 

821
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,000
I don't know, I guess the create
like if People have to pick a 

822
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,400
side, they're like even more 
into it. 

823
00:45:54,100 --> 00:45:57,200
Yeah not gonna buy the magazines
are going to get the stuff just 

824
00:45:57,300 --> 00:45:59,700
as a teen. 
I feel like he's young like 

825
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,300
maybe he thinks he has to or 
something. 

826
00:46:01,300 --> 00:46:04,000
But like why would he even 
listen to them? 

827
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,500
I know he gonna get paid for 
something. 

828
00:46:06,500 --> 00:46:08,200
I don't know. 
Yeah. 

829
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,000
Like maybe threatening him like 
the success of the series 

830
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,400
depends on this or I don't know.
Maybe I mean I didn't imagine 

831
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,300
like if you're that young your 
maybe impressionable just by 

832
00:46:18,300 --> 00:46:19,900
what any executives are telling 
you. 

833
00:46:19,908 --> 00:46:21,600
I mean, I don't even know if 
that's the case. 

834
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,700
But just seems like, as I 
remember there was Ashley fans 

835
00:46:24,700 --> 00:46:28,500
and Vanessa, who's he playing 
into both fandoms? 

836
00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:30,800
Same. 
Hmm, that's so weird. 

837
00:46:30,900 --> 00:46:33,700
Hmm. 
I know why you'd be as Ashley 

838
00:46:33,700 --> 00:46:35,200
fan. 
No funds to Ashley Tisdale. 

839
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,800
But yeah, I do when I watch High
School Musical at wasn't rooting

840
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,300
for sharp eye and Troy. 
But yeah. 

841
00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:46,000
Okay. 
So this is big September 3rd. 

842
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:50,200
2007 People magazine publishes 
an entire cover story like that.

843
00:46:50,300 --> 00:46:54,100
Document us are on the cover of 
People magazine and the title is

844
00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:59,800
high school sweethearts. 
And they explain to everybody 

845
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:06,500
what Vanessa is the right hellos
and Essa for their millions of 

846
00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:08,800
fans. 
Yes, they've already given them 

847
00:47:09,100 --> 00:47:11,600
a couple they've already given 
the couple a moniker. 

848
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,100
The young love between Efron and
Hudgens. 

849
00:47:14,300 --> 00:47:17,100
Just adds to the generation 
riveting, appeal of the High 

850
00:47:17,100 --> 00:47:20,000
School, Musical movies, the 
biggest thing to happen to teen 

851
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,500
love. 
Rory since grease - grease is 

852
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:26,600
smoking drinking and teen 
pregnancy, like Teen, Idols from

853
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,800
a gentler era, Efron and Hodgins
get get spotted out, buying 

854
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,400
Pinkberry frozen yogurt, not 
stumbling out of nightclubs. 

855
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,800
They hit the gym together and 
join fellow cast members for 

856
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,100
movie nights. 
So I feel like they're trying to

857
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:44,100
paint it like, you know, they're
together but like there's it's 

858
00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:47,400
much more wholesome than. 
Yeah, I'm seen in the past very 

859
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:48,900
innocent. 
Mmm. 

860
00:47:49,100 --> 00:47:50,700
But is it real? 
Ali. 

861
00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:53,500
I know in the article, it once 
again I feel like Zack is a 

862
00:47:53,500 --> 00:47:55,700
little bit like dismissive of 
High School Musical. 

863
00:47:55,700 --> 00:47:59,500
He says he's quoted in the 
article saying but for now or 

864
00:47:59,500 --> 00:48:02,200
no, the article says. 
But for now both are focused on 

865
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,700
work Hodgins dreams of playing 
Maria and West Side Story while 

866
00:48:05,700 --> 00:48:09,300
Efron could use a break from the
chick flick stuff, a fan of 

867
00:48:09,300 --> 00:48:12,200
Arnold Schwarzenegger and the 
Rocky and Bourne movies. 

868
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,000
If you like to be in something 
he'd actually watch, as he told 

869
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,800
times of High School, Musical I 
couldn't get through the first 

870
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,000
one. 
Oh my God. 

871
00:48:20,500 --> 00:48:24,200
Mmm, mmm. 
I know he's like trying to be a 

872
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:29,100
cool guy. 
And the article is saying Zach. 

873
00:48:29,700 --> 00:48:33,700
He was a self-professed nerd, 
and straight A student and that 

874
00:48:33,700 --> 00:48:37,500
Vanessa admits preferring 
shopping to hitting the books 

875
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,000
and that both had their first 
kiss around fifth grade. 

876
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,800
And then there's a whole 
paragraph about how Zack like 

877
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,800
sleeps on a mattress on the 
floor and like, buys all of his 

878
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,700
clothes from Goodwill. 
And how Vanessa has like 

879
00:48:52,700 --> 00:48:56,100
expensive shoes, and like three 
walk-in closets, like, I feel 

880
00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:59,300
like they're really trying to 
paint this interesting exception

881
00:48:59,300 --> 00:49:01,500
of them. 
Yeah, razak is like cool 

882
00:49:01,500 --> 00:49:08,700
laid-back, like, casual guy and 
Vanessa is like superficial and 

883
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:10,400
a little bit dumb almost. 
Yeah. 

884
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,400
But I kind of get the funds 
ekstam. 

885
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,000
I know me too. 
I don't know. 

886
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,000
Like, I don't see Zack as a 
reader actually. 

887
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:25,000
I Vanessa must be like, kind of 
smart, but anyway, so then, 

888
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,600
there's like sources in the 
article, who knows what this is 

889
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:28,900
like. 
This could all just be like, 

890
00:49:28,900 --> 00:49:33,300
very much like, you know, their 
publicist feedings but Source 

891
00:49:33,300 --> 00:49:37,400
number one, is a hostess at a 
restaurant that they went to, in

892
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,500
Salt Lake City saying that they 
were sitting on each other's 

893
00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:43,300
laps and holding hands at the 
restaurant. 

894
00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:45,700
Mmm Source. 
Number two, is someone on the 

895
00:49:45,700 --> 00:49:48,300
production of the movie, High 
School Musical. 

896
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,500
Who said if you didn't know that
they were Dating. 

897
00:49:50,500 --> 00:49:51,800
You wouldn't know, they were 
dating. 

898
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,900
They're really good at not being
obvious Source. 

899
00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:57,300
Number three is actually Monique
Coleman. 

900
00:49:57,300 --> 00:49:59,500
Yes. 
Two people fell in love. 

901
00:49:59,500 --> 00:50:00,600
Who cares. 
We're good. 

902
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:06,000
Friends, who cares and Source 
number four, is someone also 

903
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,400
working on High School Musical 
explaining why their 

904
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,200
relationship has been kept a 
secret up until now like the 

905
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,100
keep denying. 
And now you're just like, it's 

906
00:50:14,100 --> 00:50:15,300
supposed to believe that they're
together. 

907
00:50:15,300 --> 00:50:18,600
True. 
And they said, first of all, 

908
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,600
they are so young still. 
Jurors. 

909
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,900
But it's also the classic teen 
Idol thing. 

910
00:50:23,100 --> 00:50:26,000
It kills the fantasy when a 
teenage girl knows her Idol has 

911
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,600
a girlfriend. 
Ironically the fan seem to be 

912
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,300
accepting their relationship. 
I think because it goes along 

913
00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:33,100
with the story line in the 
movie. 

914
00:50:33,300 --> 00:50:36,000
Hmm. 
The Source also adds that she's 

915
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,800
more intense and he's more laid 
back and says he's at her whim. 

916
00:50:40,300 --> 00:50:46,000
Hmm, interesting. 
I do think when you're working 

917
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:50,000
together, whether it's movie or 
even like an office like I don't

918
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,200
know. 
No, I think you're inclined to, 

919
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:53,700
for some reason. 
Keep a secret. 

920
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:56,700
I don't know why she's like, oh,
especially when you're younger. 

921
00:50:56,700 --> 00:50:58,100
Like, what? 
If it doesn't work out? 

922
00:50:58,100 --> 00:51:02,200
Like, I don't know if we want to
tell everybody that together, if

923
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,500
it's like, just the beginning, 
that's true. 

924
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:07,900
I guess, I guess I feel like I'm
just suspicious of like, when 

925
00:51:07,900 --> 00:51:09,900
they're a say, like straight out
to Inayat. 

926
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:13,100
So, yeah, but it was weird. 
They are young too. 

927
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,200
So he probably is not a good 
idea to like tell the world 

928
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:18,500
you're dating someone when 
you're like 16. 

929
00:51:20,500 --> 00:51:22,700
That's so annoying. 
I know. 

930
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:27,100
Oh my goodness. 
So September 15, 2007 and see 

931
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:29,900
Australian premiere of hairspray
Vanessa cancels. 

932
00:51:29,900 --> 00:51:31,600
An appearance on Jimmy Kimmel 
Live. 

933
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,500
So she can travel to Australia 
to be with Zach and she posed on

934
00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:42,400
the red carpet with him and then
September 6th just three days 

935
00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:47,600
after this People magazine 
article cover story about zakah,

936
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,900
Vanessa, and how they're such 
this like whole Awesome, couple 

937
00:51:50,900 --> 00:51:55,000
of today, teen sweethearts. 
Just three days later. 

938
00:51:56,900 --> 00:52:01,400
Nude photos, leaked of Vanessa, 
and this was like, this is the 

939
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,400
first time it had ever happened 
to anybody. 

940
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,000
Basically, if this is the first 
time of like the age of like 

941
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,500
cell phones and yeah, I don't 
know. 

942
00:52:09,500 --> 00:52:11,600
I think she's the first person 
to go through this. 

943
00:52:12,500 --> 00:52:16,400
Let me god. 
Her publicist publicist released

944
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,800
a statement that the photos have
been taken privately and that it

945
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,200
was unfortunate that the photos 
had been leaked and Vanessa 

946
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,100
released an apology saying, I 
want to apologize to my fans who

947
00:52:26,100 --> 00:52:27,900
supported Trust mean, the world 
to me. 

948
00:52:27,900 --> 00:52:30,500
I'm embarrassed over the 
situation and regret having ever

949
00:52:30,500 --> 00:52:32,700
taken these photos. 
My God. 

950
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,900
Mmm. 
And a lot of people thought that

951
00:52:34,900 --> 00:52:37,700
Vanessa would get dropped from 
the High School, Musical 3 

952
00:52:37,700 --> 00:52:40,300
movie. 
But Disney said, Vanessa has 

953
00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:44,100
apologized for what she was. 
Obviously a lapse in judgment. 

954
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:49,900
We hope she's learned a very 
valuable lesson, which is crazy 

955
00:52:49,900 --> 00:52:52,700
because now, like, people 
wouldn't blame the person. 

956
00:52:52,700 --> 00:52:56,200
I know also Vanessa, at the time
of these photos, like, when they

957
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:00,500
had Taken. 
She was like 16 years old so 

958
00:53:00,500 --> 00:53:05,600
it's like pretty bad. 
Yeah well it kind of like not 

959
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:12,200
good I know I should not even 
say this but what was their ND? 

960
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,000
My thing was there any 
indication? 

961
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,800
That's that kind of anything to 
do with these pictures. 

962
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,700
Like know. 
So the photos are actually been 

963
00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:25,500
taken years previous. 
Oh yeah and supposedly Vanessa 

964
00:53:25,500 --> 00:53:29,900
had sent them. 
To Drake Bell and Josh passed by

965
00:53:30,100 --> 00:53:34,400
God after guest starring. 
Yeah after guest starring on a 

966
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:39,500
2006 episode of Jake, both of 
them supposedly but I think 

967
00:53:39,500 --> 00:53:42,200
mostly Drake Bell and it's a 
rumor looks like trick. 

968
00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:45,200
I think it's rumored that Drake 
allegedly. 

969
00:53:46,300 --> 00:53:48,500
Leaked the photos. 
That's the wrong. 

970
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:53,200
And I believe it because Drake 
Bell, like he's turned out to be

971
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:54,600
quite the cream. 
Yeah. 

972
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,200
Wait, did she send them to both 
Drake and Josh? 

973
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,200
What sources sources of them to 
Drake? 

974
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,100
And then he sent them to Josh 
sources. 

975
00:54:02,100 --> 00:54:05,100
Say that she sent them to both 
Drake and Josh. 

976
00:54:05,100 --> 00:54:07,600
Very weird. 
I know, but I think she sent 

977
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:12,500
them to Drake but that's like 
widely known that does that. 

978
00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:14,600
Who's in them to do the people 
people? 

979
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,100
I let's see which one of them. 
Yeah. 

980
00:54:17,100 --> 00:54:21,100
But I think it was like I think 
she had a thing with Drake Bell.

981
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:23,100
Mmm. 
And yeah. 

982
00:54:23,100 --> 00:54:27,700
Drake Bell's, like, quite the 
creep he was arrested for like 

983
00:54:27,700 --> 00:54:30,900
child endangerment like not too 
long ago. 

984
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,200
Like does that even mean? 
I think he was like trying to 

985
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:40,500
get with like a teenager. 
Oh, and yeah, yikes your later 

986
00:54:40,500 --> 00:54:43,000
about this. 
Vanessa said, I was mortified. 

987
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:47,000
I was terrified, I remember we 
booked a hotel room at a Hotel. 

988
00:54:47,500 --> 00:54:51,600
And then we left the hotel and 
there was probably 30 Paparazzi,

989
00:54:51,700 --> 00:54:54,200
it's tumbling over each other, 
trying to get a shot. 

990
00:54:54,300 --> 00:54:57,300
I'm with my family, I'm with my 
six-year-old sister, it was just

991
00:54:57,300 --> 00:55:00,300
one of those times and I was 
like, I just want to die and I 

992
00:55:00,300 --> 00:55:03,100
was so young. 
It just felt very unfair and I 

993
00:55:03,100 --> 00:55:06,300
take full responsibility for all
my actions, but it just messed 

994
00:55:06,300 --> 00:55:08,300
up how, it's not even your 
choice anymore. 

995
00:55:08,700 --> 00:55:12,200
What people receive of you and 
your image at the time that had 

996
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,400
happened. 
It was brand-new. 

997
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,000
I was like, I don't want to 
step. 

998
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,400
On any toes. 
I just want peace and love. 

999
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,200
I just want to make this go 
away. 

1000
00:55:20,300 --> 00:55:24,200
Mmm. 
Yeah, you don't think the Whole 

1001
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,200
World's Gonna See. 
Mmm. 

1002
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:31,600
And Zach never comments on, it 
doesn't ever acknowledge it at 

1003
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,300
all. 
Misting by stands by her doesn't

1004
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:40,200
keep saving her stands by his 
female. 

1005
00:55:40,700 --> 00:55:44,400
But I do find it. 
Odd that this came out three 

1006
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,000
days after that article All is 
weird. 

1007
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:52,700
It makes you almost wonder did 
their representatives know this 

1008
00:55:52,700 --> 00:55:58,500
was going to come out. 
And give this story to People 

1009
00:55:58,500 --> 00:56:02,700
magazine, to help make their 
image a little bit more 

1010
00:56:02,700 --> 00:56:05,400
wholesome or CV before I came 
out. 

1011
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,000
I don't know. 
It's uncanny. 

1012
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,100
Mmm. 
Could be onto something. 

1013
00:56:10,100 --> 00:56:14,900
Well, oh or maybe Drake Bell 
reads the article. 

1014
00:56:14,900 --> 00:56:17,400
He's really jealous. 
He's pissed off. 

1015
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,100
He's that's could be a fascist 
end. 

1016
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,700
Yes. 
Yeah honestly it kind of seems 

1017
00:56:23,700 --> 00:56:25,700
like a vindictive ex or 
something. 

1018
00:56:25,700 --> 00:56:28,400
Yeah he's at she's so in love 
with Zach on the cover of People

1019
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:34,800
magazine Yanks the photos could 
be hmm I just think the timing 

1020
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,500
is very there's something weird 
going on anyways. 

1021
00:56:39,100 --> 00:56:42,200
October Zack, xhosa Australian 
Kids Choice Awards. 

1022
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,400
Vanessa is not there, but 
they're really busy. 

1023
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:49,300
Like, that's crazy and November,
Zach, and Vanessa are, 

1024
00:56:49,300 --> 00:56:51,700
photographed. 
Holding hands in Studio, City. 

1025
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:56,400
Hmm. 
Now we're into 2008 figure for 

1026
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,000
pop culture, like him out that 
year, but not important right 

1027
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,100
now. 
I'd January on January 1st. 

1028
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,800
You know, New Year's Day is that
given us at our photograph 

1029
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:11,400
laughing and leaving a diner. 
Together January 4th, zakah 

1030
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,100
Vanessa attend, the Palm Springs
Film Festival together and walk 

1031
00:57:15,100 --> 00:57:19,500
the red carpet and they are 
pretty heavy on the PDI really? 

1032
00:57:19,500 --> 00:57:24,300
Yeah, here's a picture. 
Zach is like Whispering into 

1033
00:57:24,300 --> 00:57:26,900
Vanessa's ear. 
You know almost looks like he's 

1034
00:57:26,900 --> 00:57:30,800
kissing her face. 
Mmm head, it's pretty cute. 

1035
00:57:33,700 --> 00:57:37,000
She's so cute. 
No, she looks very happy. 

1036
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,400
January 15th. 
And Zack is filming 17 again. 

1037
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,100
And he's rushed to the hospital 
because he has appendicitis, 

1038
00:57:45,300 --> 00:57:47,000
mmm. 
And there were reports of 

1039
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,700
Vanessa, was, by his bedside 
during this, but, I don't know 

1040
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,900
evidence, but I don't know. 
And then in February there, long

1041
00:57:54,900 --> 00:57:56,800
distance because Vanessa is 
filming. 

1042
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:01,400
Bandslam, is her first feature 
film since high school musical? 

1043
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,400
Filming that in Austin, Texas 
while Zack is still in ela 

1044
00:58:05,900 --> 00:58:09,200
filming 17 again. 
And then in April, they begin 

1045
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,700
rehearsals for High School. 
Musical 2 and then start filming

1046
00:58:11,700 --> 00:58:15,500
that in may wait, three or two, 
I'm sorry 30k, High School, 

1047
00:58:15,500 --> 00:58:18,300
Musical 3, and Zack, and 
Vanessa. 

1048
00:58:18,300 --> 00:58:22,600
While in Utah, they attend an 
NBA playoffs game between the 

1049
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:27,300
Utah Jazz and the LA Lakers with
Vanessa or Ashley Tisdale, but 

1050
00:58:27,300 --> 00:58:29,600
their photograph sitting 
Courtside, and just like 

1051
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:33,600
cuddling and looking cute. 
It and some photos. 

1052
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:39,800
They are Cuddling like she's 
resting her head on his shoulder

1053
00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:43,900
kissing. 
Oh my goodness, Courtside. 

1054
00:58:43,900 --> 00:58:47,800
Like they literally kissing. 
Mmm, June, Vanessa is 

1055
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:52,400
interviewed for Cosmo girl, and 
the reporter writes about Zach 

1056
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,200
entering the room during the 
interview and rights. 

1057
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,700
When Vanessa sees actually runs 
over and they kiss oblivious to 

1058
00:58:58,700 --> 00:59:01,900
the dozens of us and the rim, 
she rubs his stomach. 

1059
00:59:01,900 --> 00:59:04,200
He puts his arm around her these
gestures. 

1060
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,700
Say more than any It meant she 
could make em en. 

1061
00:59:07,700 --> 00:59:11,200
I says also asked to give 
relationship advice and says if 

1062
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,300
you really love someone you 
shouldn't have to work at it. 

1063
00:59:14,300 --> 00:59:16,500
You finish each other's 
sentences and have the same 

1064
00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:19,200
sense of humor. 
You have to think it through not

1065
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,100
just do something spur of the 
moment so that after it happens.

1066
00:59:22,100 --> 00:59:24,900
You won't regret it. 
I think girls can be infatuated 

1067
00:59:24,900 --> 00:59:27,100
with their boyfriends and they 
have to remember to put 

1068
00:59:27,100 --> 00:59:32,500
themselves first, This week and 
they go to the MTV Movie Awards.

1069
00:59:32,500 --> 00:59:36,400
Also together July once again 
they're on another tropical 

1070
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,300
trip. 
They go to Turks and Caicos and 

1071
00:59:39,300 --> 00:59:42,700
I've heard a graft making out on
the beach and he was some 

1072
00:59:42,700 --> 00:59:46,500
pictures. 
Oh wow, she's straddling him. 

1073
00:59:46,500 --> 00:59:50,100
Hmm my goodness. 
She's a really affectionate 

1074
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,200
cute. 
He has his hand on her butt. 

1075
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,200
And he's like, motorboating her 
boobs. 

1076
00:59:57,900 --> 01:00:02,000
He's not ocean goodness, let's 
picture the Ada where they're 

1077
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,700
walking on the beach and he's 
like kissing her head. 

1078
01:00:04,700 --> 01:00:07,900
Doesn't that look too perfect? 
It does look very perfect. 

1079
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:14,100
Something looks big about their 
National Photo group. 

1080
01:00:14,100 --> 01:00:17,900
Mmm. 
If anyone knows anything. 

1081
01:00:17,900 --> 01:00:20,600
Let us know. 
I wonder how like the paparazzi 

1082
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,600
even knew to go to their like 
Resort Caicos. 

1083
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:25,600
Yeah. 
I don't know. 

1084
01:00:25,900 --> 01:00:28,000
Maybe they saw them at the 
airport. 

1085
01:00:28,900 --> 01:00:30,500
I don't know how it works. 
I mean. 

1086
01:00:30,500 --> 01:00:33,500
Do they already have people on 
the island where they literally 

1087
01:00:33,500 --> 01:00:36,700
get in a plane fall off a now? 
Maybe I mean these pictures 

1088
01:00:36,700 --> 01:00:41,100
probably cause a lot of money 
true and their ass about this 

1089
01:00:41,100 --> 01:00:43,500
later and interviews and they're
like we didn't even see them 

1090
01:00:43,500 --> 01:00:45,100
there. 
It's so creepy. 

1091
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,400
Whatever they say laser beam 
goes with the job. 

1092
01:00:48,500 --> 01:00:51,900
I know, Charles said he was 
like, there could be a 

1093
01:00:51,908 --> 01:00:57,000
photographer, a mile away with a
camera and they'll catch you. 

1094
01:00:57,300 --> 01:00:59,800
It's probably an exaggeration 
but maybe there is a little 

1095
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:03,400
truth to it like the kind of 
huge ones is, that's true. 

1096
01:01:03,500 --> 01:01:05,400
I don't know. 
That's true. 

1097
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,700
All right. 
And then they tend the Teen 

1098
01:01:08,700 --> 01:01:11,400
Choice Awards together in August
and they seem very in love. 

1099
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,500
Like here's a picture of a nice 
is like hugging Zach on the red 

1100
01:01:14,500 --> 01:01:18,100
carpet. 
So, I have to honestly, there's 

1101
01:01:18,100 --> 01:01:20,900
so many PDA pictures, like, I 
believe they're really dating, 

1102
01:01:20,900 --> 01:01:23,500
like, I feel like if they 
weren't dating, it would have 

1103
01:01:23,500 --> 01:01:27,300
been harder to fake. 
Yeah, in anticipation of High 

1104
01:01:27,300 --> 01:01:30,500
School Musical. 
Actually, Vanessa has going to 

1105
01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:34,400
go three, Vanessa, Zach and 
Ashley just, the three of them 

1106
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,200
do a photo shoot together for 
Elle Magazine. 

1107
01:01:37,700 --> 01:01:40,200
Ashley's only in like a couple 
pictures. 

1108
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,800
It's most effective Vanessa, but
I don't know. 

1109
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,900
I think it's kind of Weird. 
Like look at this one. 

1110
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,300
Like there's one where they're 
in a car together, like they're 

1111
01:01:50,300 --> 01:01:53,400
both in love with him. 
It seems like a ruffle. 

1112
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,500
Yeah. 
What the hell? 

1113
01:01:56,100 --> 01:01:58,500
100% believe they've had a 
threesome? 

1114
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,700
No, can assume that this look 
showed? 

1115
01:02:02,700 --> 01:02:06,900
This picture makes it seem like,
like, if these are characters, 

1116
01:02:06,900 --> 01:02:08,900
is suppose. 
It's just a pose, but it makes 

1117
01:02:08,900 --> 01:02:12,300
it look like they have. 
My gosh, I don't think they've 

1118
01:02:12,300 --> 01:02:13,200
had a threesome. 
Okay. 

1119
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:18,400
Well, there's more coming. 
Hey, you can just assume because

1120
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,600
they're in a magazine picture 
they've had a threesome 

1121
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:27,600
together. 
We said like okay, Vanessa 

1122
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,000
Ashley you gaze up at him. 
All right Zach. 

1123
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,500
Yeah you put your face there 
like that doesn't mean it 30 

1124
01:02:32,500 --> 01:02:33,500
thumb. 
I know. 

1125
01:02:33,500 --> 01:02:36,300
Okay okay there's more coming 
though. 

1126
01:02:37,300 --> 01:02:40,700
Hopefully I'm not like 
overselling it though but I 

1127
01:02:40,707 --> 01:02:43,800
remember at the time I didn't 
find evidence of this now but 

1128
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,400
actually I remember reading that
like people Were upset about 

1129
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,000
these photos, because they 
thought they were too sexy for 

1130
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,300
like the high school news, 
really tries? 

1131
01:02:51,300 --> 01:02:55,900
Yeah, just saying fall 2008. 
The Casco on an international 

1132
01:02:55,900 --> 01:02:59,400
tour to promote, promote High 
School, Musical, and Zekrom 

1133
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:03,600
Anessa have a lot of PDA moments
here is like they're 

1134
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,900
photographed in Paris. 
And I suppose just like, leaning

1135
01:03:07,900 --> 01:03:13,500
on him at a table on her phone. 
Just Jared Wright's about them 

1136
01:03:13,500 --> 01:03:16,600
all the time during this time. 
On tour. 

1137
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,900
They're asked about their 
relationship quite a bit and 

1138
01:03:19,900 --> 01:03:24,200
they play it pretty core Coy. 
I have a clip from Zach. 

1139
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,900
I guess you just don't go down 
that Heidi and Spencer Pratt 

1140
01:03:27,900 --> 01:03:30,700
kind of role where your 
something doing shots on a beach

1141
01:03:30,700 --> 01:03:33,700
together and try to do picnics 
together and obviously, very 

1142
01:03:33,700 --> 01:03:35,100
important. 
You not to be in the public eye 

1143
01:03:35,100 --> 01:03:37,500
and when it comes to your 
private life, there's a very 

1144
01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:42,000
obvious trend in this industry 
and the more public your 

1145
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,500
personal life becomes the more 
your professional career. 

1146
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,800
Issues and I don't want to fall 
victim to that. 

1147
01:03:49,900 --> 01:03:51,400
Interesting. 
Hmm. 

1148
01:03:51,500 --> 01:03:54,400
Seems to be taking his career 
quite seriously. 

1149
01:03:54,500 --> 01:03:57,200
He is. 
I would say, I like again, I 

1150
01:03:57,207 --> 01:03:59,800
think there's so much pressure 
on Zack. 

1151
01:03:59,900 --> 01:04:01,900
Hmm. 
I mean, he's a boy, but that's 

1152
01:04:01,900 --> 01:04:05,000
not sustainable. 
So, I have just I've said this 

1153
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,500
to you in real life, many times,
I think, but never on the show, 

1154
01:04:08,500 --> 01:04:13,300
I've just say about like, um, 
fake relationships are PR 

1155
01:04:13,300 --> 01:04:16,800
relationships. 
I do think some probably are, 

1156
01:04:17,100 --> 01:04:19,200
literally like a contract, you 
know. 

1157
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:23,600
It is like, literally PR, but I 
do think there's like another 

1158
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:27,600
version of quote, fake 
relationship where it is real, 

1159
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:32,300
but like, mmmm, they just feel 
may be pressured to be together.

1160
01:04:32,300 --> 01:04:34,600
Maybe longer than they would 
have, or not saying it's about 

1161
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:36,000
second Vanessa. 
I agree. 

1162
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:41,500
I just think that can be almost 
thick but not really but like, 

1163
01:04:41,500 --> 01:04:43,900
you know, they probably do like 
each other. 

1164
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,200
I'm not even talk about them 
specifically, but like, if we 

1165
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:50,000
ever talk about couples that, 
Are they real was a PR. 

1166
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,200
I think there's like a middle 
where they are together, but 

1167
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:57,700
maybe their reasons for staying 
together aren't like on the same

1168
01:04:57,700 --> 01:05:00,200
as you know, normal people. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1169
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,500
I mean, even normal people have 
like ulterior motives and times 

1170
01:05:03,500 --> 01:05:05,400
to stay together and then you're
like Is that real? 

1171
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:08,600
Like if it's, whether it comes 
down to money or like, yeah, 

1172
01:05:08,700 --> 01:05:11,700
they're staying together for 
their children but yeah, that's 

1173
01:05:11,700 --> 01:05:14,800
really in love anymore. 
Like, yeah, that is kind of a 

1174
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:18,700
fake relationship, I guess. 
But yeah, it would be Farthest a

1175
01:05:18,700 --> 01:05:21,100
fake. 
So I think that happily even 

1176
01:05:21,100 --> 01:05:24,000
some people be like, oh, 
everybody, my family loves him. 

1177
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,400
Like I have to save time in. 
Yeah, but you're not, it's not 

1178
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,700
the same as it was. 
Well, not even saying this is 

1179
01:05:30,700 --> 01:05:34,600
true for them. 
But I mean also I would think 

1180
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:38,900
that a lot of couples just take 
advantage of the relationship 

1181
01:05:39,100 --> 01:05:42,100
and use it for publicity. 
It's kind of interesting Zach's 

1182
01:05:42,100 --> 01:05:45,700
answer because it's like The 
opposite, it's okay. 

1183
01:05:45,700 --> 01:05:48,200
If I took advantage of this 
relationship like it would hurt 

1184
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:49,400
my career. 
Hmm. 

1185
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,300
And I can see that side of it 
because like, part of his career

1186
01:05:52,300 --> 01:05:54,000
is for people to like, be into 
him. 

1187
01:05:54,100 --> 01:05:56,800
Yeah. 
But seems like he wants to be a 

1188
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:58,500
serious actor. 
Hmm. 

1189
01:05:58,500 --> 01:06:00,100
He does. 
And I can sense. 

1190
01:06:00,100 --> 01:06:02,900
He's like a little frustrated. 
Yeah, he is. 

1191
01:06:02,900 --> 01:06:06,700
I don't think he wants to kind 
of like, I hate to say it. 

1192
01:06:06,700 --> 01:06:08,700
If it is it kind of like, Robert
Pattinson. 

1193
01:06:10,100 --> 01:06:11,600
And I'm not saying Robert 
Pattinson. 

1194
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:13,900
Doesn't like Twilight. 
I'm not saying it. 

1195
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:20,000
I think Zach more than anybody 
else in the cast once a distance

1196
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,200
themselves from it. 
So it's kind of tough to be 

1197
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,500
dating the yeah because co-star 
from. 

1198
01:06:25,500 --> 01:06:27,500
It's true. 
Hmm. 

1199
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:29,900
Okay. 
Here's something interesting, 

1200
01:06:29,900 --> 01:06:31,800
though. 
The cast does like one of those 

1201
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:36,000
unscripted interviews, you know.
And this is just like 

1202
01:06:36,100 --> 01:06:39,500
unfortunately it's not adios, 
you guys can't really hear it. 

1203
01:06:39,500 --> 01:06:42,200
But I'm going to show Callie and
then you guys should also look 

1204
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:45,100
it up. 
It's just a little A bit of a 

1205
01:06:45,100 --> 01:06:47,700
moment between Zack and Ashley 
that. 

1206
01:06:47,700 --> 01:06:53,800
Oh, what I thought was weird 
1211. 

1207
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,200
So if you guys want to look it 
up, it's called the unscripted 

1208
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,300
with the High School Musical 3 
cast. 

1209
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:00,000
We're going to describe what 
happens. 

1210
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:03,500
Mmm. 
Look at this moment, pay 

1211
01:07:03,500 --> 01:07:07,600
attention to sash lie. 
Okay, actually, say where are, 

1212
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,700
you know? 
Brain is so pay attention to 

1213
01:07:10,700 --> 01:07:13,900
Zach and Ashley. 
Okay, I'll be your perfect date.

1214
01:07:18,300 --> 01:07:34,700
Just 
what the heck. 

1215
01:07:34,700 --> 01:07:40,300
Okay, so you just found this. 
He started Russia, one of them 

1216
01:07:40,300 --> 01:07:43,700
like flicks that other's hand 
and they start fucking each 

1217
01:07:43,700 --> 01:07:47,700
other in there, like almost Only
hands during the interview but 

1218
01:07:47,700 --> 01:07:49,500
he's also like next to the 
Nessa. 

1219
01:07:49,500 --> 01:07:51,700
She start he starts it. 
He starts. 

1220
01:07:51,700 --> 01:07:56,400
Yeah, right next to Vanessa and 
Vanessa is like has her arm kind

1221
01:07:56,400 --> 01:08:02,100
of on Zack and Corbin Bleu gets 
a little flustered by this. 

1222
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:03,800
What are you doing? 
Mmm. 

1223
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,100
What the heck? 
That's very weird. 

1224
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:09,100
They're almost holding hands. 
They were based their hands. 

1225
01:08:09,100 --> 01:08:11,700
We like they're kind of teasing 
each other back and forth in 

1226
01:08:11,700 --> 01:08:13,100
their hands like rested on each 
other. 

1227
01:08:13,100 --> 01:08:15,700
It's very flirty and What the 
heck? 

1228
01:08:15,700 --> 01:08:19,399
Like can you imagine Charlie 
your boyfriend and now with 

1229
01:08:19,399 --> 01:08:22,800
another girl right in front of, 
you know, playing with her 

1230
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:27,700
hands. 
I would lose it. 

1231
01:08:27,700 --> 01:08:29,700
I know they're friends, but I 
don't know. 

1232
01:08:30,500 --> 01:08:37,100
The Vanessa seems unfazed by it.
Okay, Todd, I think it's odd, 

1233
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:40,899
okay? 
That's member it's unscripted at

1234
01:08:40,899 --> 01:08:45,399
12. 11, if you want to look it 
up, anyways, it's October. 

1235
01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:48,800
Now she does in a sack of 
Vanessa, go on another tropical 

1236
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:52,399
trip. 
So runs manager is getting 

1237
01:08:52,399 --> 01:08:56,100
married in Hawaii, and they're 
photographed walking on the 

1238
01:08:56,100 --> 01:08:58,100
beach. 
Are there another perfect 

1239
01:08:58,100 --> 01:09:02,100
picture? 
Oh wow, hand in hand. 

1240
01:09:02,100 --> 01:09:07,300
They're also kissing at times in
Hawaii like this. 

1241
01:09:07,399 --> 01:09:12,100
Does I have to say look like 
because the background is like 

1242
01:09:12,100 --> 01:09:14,700
Boca. 
It's like it's some out of 

1243
01:09:14,700 --> 01:09:16,800
focus. 
It looks so perfect. 

1244
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:19,000
Yeah, it looks like a movie 
poster. 

1245
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,000
Yeah, this looks like the last 
song. 

1246
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:22,700
Yeah. 
If I didn't know any of other. 

1247
01:09:24,100 --> 01:09:26,899
Oh my goodness. 
And it looks like he's flexing. 

1248
01:09:31,500 --> 01:09:35,700
It doesn't look too good night, 
maybe it's just an amazing 

1249
01:09:35,700 --> 01:09:39,300
photographer, but I know props 
up inside of her. 

1250
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:46,399
Look at that. 
Those pants are so low. 

1251
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:54,300
Yeah, almost see his feet. 
Yeah, he is a good-looking guy, 

1252
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:59,600
and also, Vanessa throws back a 
surprise 21st birthday party. 

1253
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,500
And after Words, they've seen 
going to Hotel together at like 

1254
01:10:02,500 --> 01:10:03,800
midnight. 
Whoa. 

1255
01:10:04,700 --> 01:10:06,800
Hmm. 
So November. 

1256
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,700
They're still doing High School 
Musical 3. 

1257
01:10:08,700 --> 01:10:13,100
Press, I have more pictures. 
Okay, here's a picture once 

1258
01:10:13,100 --> 01:10:18,500
again, of Zack and Vanessa. 
And Ashley interests. 

1259
01:10:18,500 --> 01:10:21,200
Both. 
Ashley and Vanessa, have their 

1260
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:25,700
hands resting on both of Zach's 
thighs. 

1261
01:10:26,300 --> 01:10:29,200
What the hell is going on? 
See the three song? 

1262
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:33,000
Comment now, Yeah, I guess so. 
I mean that's a little close. 

1263
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,900
It's weird. 
This guy's too much power. 

1264
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,200
I know. 
I mean and keep in mind Ashley 

1265
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,800
Vanessa claimed to be best 
friends and they do seemed 

1266
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:47,100
legitimately close. 
Okay me so something's going on?

1267
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:51,300
Yeah like I would think if I was
Vanessa and Ashley was this 

1268
01:10:51,300 --> 01:10:54,400
close with my boyfriend? 
I wouldn't be super jealous. 

1269
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,500
Yeah. 
Why doesn't she seem jealous? 

1270
01:10:56,700 --> 01:11:01,800
You know because they're all 
fooling With each other, her 

1271
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:03,700
eyes. 
Do look less happy than 

1272
01:11:03,700 --> 01:11:05,500
Ashley's. 
I think so too. 

1273
01:11:05,900 --> 01:11:08,400
Ashley looks a little bit like 
yeah. 

1274
01:11:08,500 --> 01:11:13,400
Like this is my man. 
Kinda you can find this on so it

1275
01:11:13,407 --> 01:11:15,600
looks like she's just trying to 
get through it. 

1276
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:19,200
Yeah, Steely model. 
Look, I mean, we don't know at 

1277
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:23,100
the moment I'm gonna sit over 
analyzing a picture, it's a 

1278
01:11:23,100 --> 01:11:25,900
moment in time, but a Picture 
Tells a thousand words. 

1279
01:11:26,700 --> 01:11:29,200
Wow. 
Kenny Ortega looks pretty close,

1280
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:32,300
Ashley. 
In this picture of freaking fuck

1281
01:11:32,300 --> 01:11:38,300
is going on here. 
Take out the director, right? 

1282
01:11:38,300 --> 01:11:39,800
Crew. 
Yeah, yes. 

1283
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:44,100
Is arms on. 
Chaste basically, yeah, wrapped 

1284
01:11:44,100 --> 01:11:46,700
around her, like they're going 
to prom but they've been dating 

1285
01:11:46,700 --> 01:11:52,300
for five years. 
You It sounds kind of weird with

1286
01:11:52,300 --> 01:11:56,300
this cast. 
It was he with the two of them? 

1287
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,500
I know my movies. 
Does. 

1288
01:11:58,500 --> 01:12:01,700
Ashley's character Sharpay? 
Does she like she'd going like 

1289
01:12:01,700 --> 01:12:02,500
Troy? 
Yeah. 

1290
01:12:02,500 --> 01:12:04,400
She's trying to get with Troy 
the whole time be. 

1291
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,400
That's why they're always paired
three of them. 

1292
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,900
Yeah, could be. 
It could be Ashley. 

1293
01:12:09,900 --> 01:12:12,600
It was probably the other Star, 
right? 

1294
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:16,600
Like Moon highest. 
The biggest star. 

1295
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,700
After the two of them. 
Yeah, I just don't necessarily 

1296
01:12:19,700 --> 01:12:21,700
trust Ashley, like even 
recently. 

1297
01:12:21,700 --> 01:12:26,000
Awesome Butler did a interview 
and, you know, him and Vanessa 

1298
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,400
broken up after like, nine years
and he was asked, like, who 

1299
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:33,100
always makes him laugh and he 
goes, uh, I gotta say, like, in 

1300
01:12:33,100 --> 01:12:39,300
his like, now, Elvis accent. 
I got also Ashley Tisdale, she 

1301
01:12:39,300 --> 01:12:42,400
always makes me laugh. 
She's so refined, unlike your 

1302
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:46,400
ex's best friend. 
So Random I know and there's 

1303
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,900
supposedly still like really 
close what? 

1304
01:12:50,300 --> 01:12:53,500
I don't know, like say I can see
being friends with them, but 

1305
01:12:53,500 --> 01:12:57,700
like, yeah, he's a girl code 
there, you know, there is is 

1306
01:12:57,700 --> 01:13:00,800
crossing the line. 
It's just a little too cozy. 

1307
01:13:01,100 --> 01:13:06,300
It's a little too cozy for 
Comfort, December, Zach, and 

1308
01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:10,300
Vanessa are sitting courtside at
a Lakers game yet again. 

1309
01:13:10,300 --> 01:13:14,200
I feel like that's the thing 
like courtside at a basketball 

1310
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:17,500
game. 
Game or tropical tropical troll 

1311
01:13:17,900 --> 01:13:20,900
but see, it's pretty cute. 
He's like Whispering into her 

1312
01:13:20,900 --> 01:13:23,500
ear again. 
Yeah, he does that a lot, like, 

1313
01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:27,600
that's his thing smiling. 
Just put his face in her hair. 

1314
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,600
Yeah, yeah. 
He likes her shampoo. 

1315
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,300
Maybe he's shy when there's a 
camera, that's what he does. 

1316
01:13:34,500 --> 01:13:39,000
Yeah, that's cute, really hides 
in her hair. 

1317
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:44,600
Also that month a fan poses for 
pictures with them inside of a A

1318
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:48,700
sex shop. 
What comes of this show? 

1319
01:13:49,300 --> 01:13:53,100
Oh my okay. 
They must really be together if 

1320
01:13:53,100 --> 01:13:55,200
they were there together. 
I know. 

1321
01:13:55,300 --> 01:13:57,500
Like I doubt Disney told them to
do that. 

1322
01:13:57,500 --> 01:14:02,700
No, that's doesn't seem like it.
The adult section is very fine. 

1323
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:06,600
Oh my God. 
He has a beanie on. 

1324
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:10,500
He is very cute. 
He is Charlie, hope you're not 

1325
01:14:10,500 --> 01:14:14,300
listening. 
I mean it's just it's just a 

1326
01:14:14,300 --> 01:14:19,100
fact, it's a fact. 
Okay. 

1327
01:14:19,500 --> 01:14:22,900
So now 2009 they're still 
promoting High School Musical 3 

1328
01:14:23,700 --> 01:14:27,300
and there's many PDA pictures of
them on the tour. 

1329
01:14:27,300 --> 01:14:29,400
Too many to even talk about at 
this point. 

1330
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:32,600
Did the movie come out? 
Yeah, I came out months ago but 

1331
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:36,400
you know, it's a big movie. 
This in like we said I was going

1332
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:38,900
to go through was in theaters. 
The other two were Disney 

1333
01:14:38,900 --> 01:14:42,100
Channel movies. 
There are rumors. 

1334
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:46,200
Reported by the Boston Herald, 
in Seventeen, magazine, and 

1335
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:49,800
other sources. 
That Zack had proposed Vanessa, 

1336
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:54,300
while in Japan interesting, 
because her mother had 

1337
01:14:54,300 --> 01:14:56,500
disapproved of them living 
together if they weren't 

1338
01:14:56,500 --> 01:14:58,200
married. 
But that's not true. 

1339
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,800
I don't even think they are 
living together and they're both

1340
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:05,000
really young. 
Zach is 20 and she's 18. 

1341
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:07,100
I thought he had his 21st 
birthday. 

1342
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:11,200
Oh wait you're right. 
But still very young, he's 21. 

1343
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:14,300
I think she's actually I'm 19. 
Wow. 

1344
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:16,100
Some celebrities to do that 
though. 

1345
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:22,200
Hmm that's true. 
There are actually actually you 

1346
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:26,000
did that on the other podcast 
one time with the word actually.

1347
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:31,600
Yeah actually actually that word
makes me British. 

1348
01:15:32,700 --> 01:15:36,800
There asked a couple times about
like if they would get engaged 

1349
01:15:37,300 --> 01:15:40,600
on the present or and they both 
say like no, like good. 

1350
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:44,100
That keeps saying like I'm not 
even Thinking about that not 

1351
01:15:44,100 --> 01:15:50,000
till I'm like well into my 30s. 
So yeah, which I don't know if 

1352
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,400
like, that's like something you 
want to say. 

1353
01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:54,900
Yeah. 
Dating someone for years. 

1354
01:15:54,900 --> 01:15:56,600
Yeah, I'm not even. 
Yeah. 

1355
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,400
It's like that's not even close 
to a thought. 

1356
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,000
What does she say? 
Kind of the same thing? 

1357
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:06,000
Like oh, I'm gone. 
Yeah, it's not in my mind. 

1358
01:16:06,100 --> 01:16:11,800
Hmm, journalists are so crazy. 
Oh, I know it's very invasive, 

1359
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:16,100
like You're not supposed as that
February, they go to the Golden 

1360
01:16:16,100 --> 01:16:19,600
Globes and Oscars together and 
walk the red carpet. 

1361
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:23,500
And at the Oscars, you might 
remember Hugh Jackman hosted and

1362
01:16:23,500 --> 01:16:26,200
there was a musical number about
how I love this. 

1363
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:28,500
I loved that year, it's about 
good. 

1364
01:16:28,500 --> 01:16:31,400
Other musicals are back and 
there's like an over-the-top 

1365
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:35,200
musical performance. 
Yeah, with him and Beyonce, Zach

1366
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:40,400
in Vanessa, and Amanda Seyfried 
and Dominic Cooper. 

1367
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:44,300
Mmm, it's really good. 
To find it anywhere a great year

1368
01:16:44,300 --> 01:16:49,100
and yeah, really good year it. 
So obviously you can say he 

1369
01:16:49,100 --> 01:16:51,600
peered at the Oscars. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1370
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:55,500
In March Annie, Leibovitz, takes
portraits of celebrities 

1371
01:16:55,500 --> 01:16:58,900
recreating classic Disney movies
for some type of Disney 

1372
01:16:58,900 --> 01:17:01,100
advertising, cool. 
Yeah. 

1373
01:17:01,100 --> 01:17:05,400
And I remember like Swift, she 
was like Rapunzel Zach and 

1374
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:08,900
Vanessa are posed as Sleeping 
Beauty. 

1375
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:11,600
I want to see. 
It's really cute. 

1376
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:17,400
Sorry guys who's like a 
ambulance that is beautiful. 

1377
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:19,400
Isn't it? 
Goodness. 

1378
01:17:20,100 --> 01:17:23,600
Wow. 
They're so to describe, I don't 

1379
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,400
know. 
She's a very fairy tale picture.

1380
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:32,000
They're lying down so romantic 
is flowers and everything. 

1381
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:36,700
Like medieval type of clothing. 
Hmm that's beautiful. 

1382
01:17:36,700 --> 01:17:38,800
Yeah I feel like this is I think
I ever saw those pictures. 

1383
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:41,000
Yeah. 
Like this is Taylor Swift. 

1384
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:43,100
Wow he did. 
Peter Pan. 

1385
01:17:43,100 --> 01:17:48,000
One Zach is doing press for 
Seventeen magazine imposes 

1386
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:51,500
shirtless for interview magazine
and they, right of course it's 

1387
01:17:51,500 --> 01:17:53,300
an interesting time for teen 
stars. 

1388
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:56,500
There are more of them now than 
there have ever been. 

1389
01:17:56,500 --> 01:18:00,900
All vying as desperately for 
money and attention that they as

1390
01:18:00,900 --> 01:18:04,100
they are to ward off the ravages
of oily skin. 

1391
01:18:04,500 --> 01:18:08,200
And this are tight job market. 
There's even work for former 

1392
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:11,600
teen stars and long-forgotten 
ones who are addicted to drugs. 

1393
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,900
But in 2009, the blind Glitz of 
Teen Idol Hood. 

1394
01:18:14,900 --> 01:18:18,200
Can no longer hide what everyone
knows there comes a time when 

1395
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:21,300
every teen star needs to do 
something radical in order to 

1396
01:18:21,300 --> 01:18:25,300
ensure his or her survival to 
find some way of making a 

1397
01:18:25,300 --> 01:18:29,500
breakout of corner of the moment
to take a perimeter shot at 

1398
01:18:29,500 --> 01:18:33,700
immortality. 
And yeah I just I like that 

1399
01:18:33,700 --> 01:18:38,200
quote because I think it adds to
like the pressure that Zack and 

1400
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:41,800
Vanessa but mostly Zack at this 
time is under to like distance 

1401
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:45,200
himself. 
Of from this Teen Idol stardom 

1402
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:47,500
and do something else with his 
career. 

1403
01:18:47,500 --> 01:18:51,500
Yeah, Zack and April of that 
year, tells Elle Magazine, that 

1404
01:18:51,500 --> 01:18:54,000
he'll continue to make 
light-hearted movies that he 

1405
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,300
enjoys. 
And that he's happy that the 

1406
01:18:56,300 --> 01:18:59,400
High School Musical kept the kid
inside me alive, but says that 

1407
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:02,300
he could never relate to other 
kids and he doesn't understand 

1408
01:19:02,300 --> 01:19:04,800
why High School. 
Musical was the hit that it was 

1409
01:19:06,700 --> 01:19:10,600
does not like it. 
I know, I think years later he 

1410
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:13,800
softened up by I think they 
always do that. 

1411
01:19:13,900 --> 01:19:16,500
You know like Miley did that 
with Hannah Montana? 

1412
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:23,100
Yeah, like a Rebellious stage 
and in the same interview he's 

1413
01:19:23,100 --> 01:19:27,700
asked about those photographs in
the sex shop and he says, my mom

1414
01:19:27,700 --> 01:19:29,100
is like Zach. 
Why did you buy? 

1415
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:32,400
What did you buy in a sex shop? 
I was like, Mom calm down. 

1416
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,400
It's not a sex shop, she would 
not have any of it. 

1417
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:39,600
She's like I knew you were being
sexual but he understood my 

1418
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:41,900
stocking was full of condoms. 
This Christmas. 

1419
01:19:41,900 --> 01:19:44,400
What she buys me the economy 
box. 

1420
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:51,600
Like that's weird, I know. 
After they broke up, Zach 

1421
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:55,400
actually dropped a condom on a 
red carpet for the Laura. 

1422
01:19:56,300 --> 01:19:59,400
Yeah. 
Oh my God. 

1423
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:04,200
So she's practicing safe sex. 
That's responsible. 

1424
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,500
June zakah Vanessa. 
Attend the MTV Movie Awards 

1425
01:20:08,500 --> 01:20:10,500
together and Zach. 
Okay. 

1426
01:20:10,500 --> 01:20:13,500
I only have this interesting 
because, you know, Rob and 

1427
01:20:13,500 --> 01:20:15,300
Kristen were nominated this year
as well. 

1428
01:20:15,300 --> 01:20:18,500
So Zack is nominated for best 
male performance and wenzhou 

1429
01:20:18,700 --> 01:20:21,300
He's like, wait, what's didn't 
Robert Pattinson? 

1430
01:20:21,300 --> 01:20:25,500
When Robert Pattinson won for 
best breakthrough, male porn 

1431
01:20:25,500 --> 01:20:31,800
movies and Vanessa Hudgens is 
nominated for best breakthrough 

1432
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,900
performance. 
But she loses rigged. 

1433
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,000
I know she loses to Ashley 
Tisdale. 

1434
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:40,000
What? 
Where is Chris and Stewart, won 

1435
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:43,500
best female performance. 
So there's breakthrough and then

1436
01:20:43,500 --> 01:20:47,400
just like regular. 
Yeah, but why is Vanessa Hudgens

1437
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:50,200
in the Breakthrough? 
Because it's rigged. 

1438
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:52,000
I know. 
It doesn't make any sense. 

1439
01:20:52,300 --> 01:20:54,900
And why is Rob in the 
Breakthrough category? 

1440
01:20:55,300 --> 01:20:56,900
I know he was in Harry Potter, 
exactly. 

1441
01:20:56,900 --> 01:20:59,800
I think it definitely is road. 
Yeah, they do that. 

1442
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,600
The Grammys do that to it drives
me crazy. 

1443
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:06,100
I wasn't people as new artists 
when they are like their third 

1444
01:21:06,100 --> 01:21:08,300
album. 
Yeah, I don't got it. 

1445
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:10,700
Yeah, I don't get why. 
Ashley Tisdale 14? 

1446
01:21:10,700 --> 01:21:14,700
Popularity contest is, but I do 
think Twilight. 

1447
01:21:14,700 --> 01:21:16,300
Really did get like the most 
potent. 

1448
01:21:16,300 --> 01:21:18,400
Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah. 

1449
01:21:19,100 --> 01:21:24,600
So Zach in Venice are also 
nominated for best kiss and I 

1450
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:27,800
feel like if it was just a year 
before they would have one 

1451
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:29,100
obviously. 
Yeah. 

1452
01:21:29,100 --> 01:21:32,100
But they lost obviously it's a 
robin missed and sort of 

1453
01:21:32,108 --> 01:21:37,300
highlight and Zach said I think 
we were the only boy girl human 

1454
01:21:37,300 --> 01:21:42,200
on human kiss. 
That might be a disadvantage but

1455
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,300
that's not true. 
We have other couples are also 

1456
01:21:44,300 --> 01:21:46,500
Supernatural. 
Well there was a couple gay 

1457
01:21:46,500 --> 01:21:50,800
couple and Hello, I don't 
remember. 

1458
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:52,800
It's like movies. 
I hadn't really heard of before,

1459
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:56,600
but also has a Slumdog 
Millionaire, kiss was nominated 

1460
01:21:56,600 --> 01:22:01,200
and that's like human not human,
but also that doesn't know what 

1461
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:05,700
he's talking, but I was saying 
to you the other day. 

1462
01:22:05,700 --> 01:22:09,700
I do think like the rise of Rob 
and Kristen, as a couple made 

1463
01:22:09,700 --> 01:22:13,500
the popularity of Zack and 
Vanessa, like, die down a lot. 

1464
01:22:13,900 --> 01:22:16,200
They were totally replaced by 
Rob Stone. 

1465
01:22:17,300 --> 01:22:19,900
People don't like people. 
I still cared about Sacrament us

1466
01:22:19,900 --> 01:22:25,000
up, but not to the exams extend.
And also like the people who 

1467
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:26,000
really shipped. 
Zakah. 

1468
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,100
Vanessa are like a little bit 
older now. 

1469
01:22:28,100 --> 01:22:31,200
So I feel like they want, like 
something a little bit edgier. 

1470
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:34,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
At least, I did like, I didn't 

1471
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,400
care at all about second, 
Vanessa. 

1472
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:41,600
Yeah. 
I didn't really probably sort of

1473
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:46,200
did a little bit and one point, 
but by then no. 

1474
01:22:46,300 --> 01:22:50,200
Yeah. 
After the MTV Movie Awards, they

1475
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:54,700
are photographed, like, holding 
hands July Paparazzi snapped 

1476
01:22:54,700 --> 01:22:56,600
photos of them, leaving Panera 
Bread. 

1477
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:58,500
So, yeah, there's thought that 
was cute. 

1478
01:22:58,500 --> 01:23:03,100
Cute, very normal. 
I know, August 2nd. 

1479
01:23:03,100 --> 01:23:07,800
Vanessa, 10, the Teen Choice 
Awards, where Dane Cook makes 

1480
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:11,500
this joke. 
Oh, I remember this happening. 

1481
01:23:13,300 --> 01:23:15,000
Can I just can I just? 
Can I before it? 

1482
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:19,500
Before I do the choice hadees. 
Could I just say, what everybody

1483
01:23:19,500 --> 01:23:23,800
in this room is thinking? 
But nobody has said there's been

1484
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:36,400
a sahaja means, Girl you got to 
keep your clothes on bones of 

1485
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:41,500
the phone calls. 
Girl, that's so awkward. 

1486
01:23:41,500 --> 01:23:45,300
She looked she looked 
uncomfortable. 

1487
01:23:45,300 --> 01:23:47,400
What's the SEC? 
Is Vanessa is like hi. 

1488
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:52,100
I know like she's smiling. 
This is like, you know, two 

1489
01:23:52,100 --> 01:23:55,300
years later after that whole 
incident. 

1490
01:23:55,700 --> 01:23:59,700
And like is everybody really 
thinking that I don't know? 

1491
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:04,700
I don't remember, I don't know. 
I just thought that was like, I 

1492
01:24:04,700 --> 01:24:07,700
guess it's the time, but I feel 
bad, but I know. 

1493
01:24:07,700 --> 01:24:11,400
And I looked so uncomfortable. 
Yeah, I haven't him wander like,

1494
01:24:11,500 --> 01:24:15,000
did that hurt Vanessa's career 
at all in these early stages, 

1495
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,000
maybe because she wasn't really 
necessarily Landing the rules 

1496
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:21,700
the same way. 
Exact was mmm-hmm Beyond. 

1497
01:24:21,700 --> 01:24:25,400
If you re was like laughing to 
yeah, she's laughing her ass 

1498
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:26,500
off. 
Yeah. 

1499
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:30,800
What the heck? 
I wasn't so mad friends. 

1500
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:35,400
Laugh at my expense over. 
Something that was mortifying. 

1501
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:38,900
We truly dramatic. 
Maybe she was like hitting her 

1502
01:24:38,900 --> 01:24:41,100
arm. 
Maybe she was trying to like 

1503
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:44,100
lighten it up or something to 
her. 

1504
01:24:44,100 --> 01:24:46,300
We like it's funny. 
But like, no, it's not fun. 

1505
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:51,000
No, it's yeah, honestly, it's 
kind of like, like getting your 

1506
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,100
nudes leaked for the whole world
to see in a way, that's like 

1507
01:24:53,100 --> 01:24:55,600
Basalt. 
Like, you've got people, that is

1508
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:59,400
know that they did, it was, it 
was, it was like you said, like 

1509
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:01,300
the first time, yeah. 
Yeah. 

1510
01:25:01,300 --> 01:25:04,600
And that's yeah you would have 
been back then. 

1511
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:08,200
I swear back then you would have
been like she's a slut laughter.

1512
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:10,300
So it was people had to 
apologize for. 

1513
01:25:10,300 --> 01:25:12,100
Yeah. 
I just think it speaks to 

1514
01:25:12,100 --> 01:25:17,000
Vanessa's strength as a person. 
Yeah, I'm like really pro bono. 

1515
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:22,000
So I didn't expect it right 
after this award show. 

1516
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:24,900
Zach and Vanessa hop on a flight
to Vancouver because they're 

1517
01:25:24,900 --> 01:25:28,300
both filming separate movies. 
Yeah, she's filming Sucker 

1518
01:25:28,300 --> 01:25:30,300
Punch, and he's filming Charlie 
st. 

1519
01:25:30,300 --> 01:25:32,200
Cloud. 
Oh, yeah. 

1520
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:34,500
And interestingly I think this 
might be the last time I talked 

1521
01:25:34,500 --> 01:25:38,700
about Twilight. 
Zach and Vanessa attend, the 

1522
01:25:38,700 --> 01:25:43,800
Kings of Leon concert that the 
Twilight cast attended no way. 

1523
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:48,800
I'm so sorry to people who don't
care about robins. 

1524
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:50,500
Yeah. 
But this is where like Robin 

1525
01:25:50,500 --> 01:25:54,900
Kristen's relationship was like,
kind of, I remember the picture.

1526
01:25:54,900 --> 01:25:57,200
Yeah, I'd like, the Kings of 
Leon comes. 

1527
01:25:58,000 --> 01:25:59,500
There was a picture of 
interesting. 

1528
01:25:59,500 --> 01:26:02,600
I was laying in the crowd. 
How'd did they talk to them or 

1529
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,300
no, I don't think they were 
seeded with them. 

1530
01:26:05,300 --> 01:26:08,400
But, well, there's a video of 
Zach of Vanessa. 

1531
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:11,100
Like, you can't really see like 
dancing together. 

1532
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:30,400
Oh, that's cute. 
Yeah, they're definitely 

1533
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:33,400
together. 
Yeah, 100% is just a shitty 

1534
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:34,900
little video. 
Someone took. 

1535
01:26:34,900 --> 01:26:38,400
Yeah, in the crowd. 
I love that song. 

1536
01:26:38,700 --> 01:26:43,600
Can I tell my toe? 
Use Somebody song. 

1537
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:47,300
I love sex often fired to me, 
too, that just like brings you 

1538
01:26:47,300 --> 01:26:50,000
by. 
I love that era, honestly. 

1539
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:55,700
Yeah, it sucks is. 
I don't even listening is a 

1540
01:26:55,700 --> 01:26:58,000
little anymore. 
I wonder what they're doing. 

1541
01:26:59,500 --> 01:27:02,200
I actually liked one of their 
songs it came out like last 

1542
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:03,400
year. 
Oh really? 

1543
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:05,900
I should just good. 
Do a deep dive on them. 

1544
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:09,200
Listen to their discography 
October. 

1545
01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:12,100
They're both filming and 
Vancouver still Zach, Ness a 

1546
01:27:12,108 --> 01:27:14,200
good. 
A hockey and together with Lucas

1547
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:19,800
Gabriel from High School Musical
HS mmm-hmm. 

1548
01:27:20,500 --> 01:27:22,500
So they're all, you know, saying
friends. 

1549
01:27:22,500 --> 01:27:24,000
This is nice. 
Yeah. 

1550
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:29,400
December Zack throws a surprise 
party for Vanessa's 21st 

1551
01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:32,600
birthday. 
Finally 21 with 100 of their 

1552
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:35,500
closest friends at the East 
restaurant and lounge in 

1553
01:27:35,500 --> 01:27:38,600
Hollywood. 
Including Selena Gomez, Ashley 

1554
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,100
Tisdale Corbin Bleu Brittany 
Snow. 

1555
01:27:41,900 --> 01:27:44,700
And of course, Just horses. 
Doc give a heartfelt speech for 

1556
01:27:44,700 --> 01:27:49,200
Vanessa and rolled out a red 
velvet cake for her yum. 

1557
01:27:49,300 --> 01:27:50,900
And here's a picture from the 
night. 

1558
01:27:50,900 --> 01:27:54,900
Zack is kissing on the cheek. 
They are so beautiful. 

1559
01:27:54,900 --> 01:27:57,200
Hmm. 
Now we're in 2010. 

1560
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:00,800
Okay, this is interesting. 
Not really that can Vanessa 

1561
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:05,300
specific but Zacks co-star from 
Hairspray Nikki Blonsky who 

1562
01:28:05,300 --> 01:28:10,000
plays Tracy and hairspray. 
She goes on The Wendy Williams 

1563
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:13,700
Show and she's asked by Wendy. 
If she thinks that Zach and 

1564
01:28:13,700 --> 01:28:19,000
Vanessa will go the distance. 
Do you keep in touch with any of

1565
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:20,700
those people? 
I do? 

1566
01:28:20,700 --> 01:28:22,300
I do. 
I keep in touch with all of 

1567
01:28:22,300 --> 01:28:25,100
them. 
Actually, Zach is one of my best

1568
01:28:25,100 --> 01:28:27,700
friends in the whole world. 
Okay, let me ask you something. 

1569
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:32,700
Okay, let's get serious now. 
Do you think that he and Vanessa

1570
01:28:32,700 --> 01:28:34,400
will go the distance and get 
married? 

1571
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:38,400
Not yet just eventually. 
No, okay. 

1572
01:28:38,900 --> 01:28:42,200
Sorry sorry. 
Love you girl but it ain't 

1573
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:46,400
happened. 
You want the truth? 

1574
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:49,200
This is the truth. 
I'm sorry to hear that too. 

1575
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:51,900
Sorry Hollywood. 
I know I'm real. 

1576
01:28:51,900 --> 01:29:08,200
Well, I love him real well. 
I'm the one for Zac Efron. 

1577
01:29:08,300 --> 01:29:11,200
She's angling. 
My God. 

1578
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:15,000
Is it erupts? 
I know that crazy. 

1579
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:18,100
I don't think she said that 
because she's trying to say I'm 

1580
01:29:18,100 --> 01:29:20,200
the girl for him. 
I do think she was trying to 

1581
01:29:20,900 --> 01:29:26,900
give it it into a joke me too. 
I think she knows something 

1582
01:29:26,900 --> 01:29:30,000
about there. 
Yeah I think she's being honest.

1583
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:35,700
I wasn't expecting that I love 
when. 

1584
01:29:36,900 --> 01:29:40,500
He's not exactly. 
Okay, let me ask you this you or

1585
01:29:40,500 --> 01:29:43,700
did you say you are a good what 
she said? 

1586
01:29:43,700 --> 01:29:49,400
I don't know what playback the 
episode here but um yeah that's 

1587
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:53,800
like first of all, kind of 
Veggie of - long it is is that I

1588
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:55,700
thought was Vanessa, I'd be so 
upset. 

1589
01:29:55,700 --> 01:29:59,200
Yeah. 
Sorry, Hollywood. 

1590
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:01,800
I know him real. 
Well my God. 

1591
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:06,500
That's a major hint that there's
stuff that we don't know Nikki 

1592
01:30:06,500 --> 01:30:09,900
Blonsky, hmm. 
I mean, how would you feel if 

1593
01:30:09,900 --> 01:30:15,700
like you your if you were dating
an actor and his co-star from a 

1594
01:30:15,700 --> 01:30:22,100
movie said that about I was only
relationship so upset I know. 

1595
01:30:23,500 --> 01:30:27,300
I would be so insulted. 
Yeah, sorry be love you girl. 

1596
01:30:27,300 --> 01:30:33,200
But any happening Nikki Blonsky 
really hasn't had a lot of work 

1597
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:35,800
since then I think he'd be 
because of I know I do think 

1598
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:40,400
there were rumors that she was a
bully and actually like really 

1599
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:44,100
bullied somebody she does seem 
like a tough girl. 

1600
01:30:44,100 --> 01:30:49,200
Yeah, I forget who though but I 
think she was like exposed for 

1601
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:52,300
like some bad behavior but I 
forget what bag she just seems 

1602
01:30:52,300 --> 01:30:54,100
so funny. 
I know. 

1603
01:30:54,100 --> 01:30:59,000
Yeah, I know, like, you do kind 
of like that realness, but if 

1604
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,600
you're really sucks friend, you 
shouldn't be blasting his 

1605
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:05,300
relationship like that. 
Well, I wonder what the reason 

1606
01:31:05,300 --> 01:31:09,900
is, I know just say, I know him 
real well. 

1607
01:31:09,900 --> 01:31:17,800
Like, is he a, you know, 
Bachelors, he fooling around Was

1608
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:23,700
he complaining about Vanessa? 
Wow, he might never know, I was 

1609
01:31:23,700 --> 01:31:28,700
not expecting that. 
Hmm, so January 2010, as I can, 

1610
01:31:28,700 --> 01:31:31,700
Vanessa are photographed by 
Paparazzi on a double date with 

1611
01:31:31,700 --> 01:31:36,300
Brittany Snow and Ryan rotman 
that is we should do that. 

1612
01:31:36,500 --> 01:31:40,300
I don't was getting over Iraq. 
No, pretty snowy. 

1613
01:31:40,300 --> 01:31:42,600
Where is she? 
Um, you know, but they hang out 

1614
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:44,700
with this couple a lot. 
They do a lot of double dates 

1615
01:31:45,100 --> 01:31:46,400
February. 
Is that convinced us to go to 

1616
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:48,900
Sydney Australia? 
Do some charity work together? 

1617
01:31:48,900 --> 01:31:53,600
They're photographed kissing a 
lot there, February, they attend

1618
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:56,300
a Lakers game in La together. 
Once again, they're sitting 

1619
01:31:56,300 --> 01:32:01,700
Courtside just a few feet from 
Taylor Lautner what loops and my

1620
01:32:01,700 --> 01:32:03,200
link is broken. 
So I don't have a picture for 

1621
01:32:03,200 --> 01:32:05,100
you but that's okay. 
You know, I'm cool. 

1622
01:32:05,100 --> 01:32:08,600
I've seen it before. 
March more Paparazzi shots of 

1623
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:10,100
them. 
Good just going out to eat. 

1624
01:32:10,100 --> 01:32:13,900
They also attend the Oscars 
together once again, I love the 

1625
01:32:13,900 --> 01:32:20,300
Oscars and you to want to go No,
can invite podcaster. 

1626
01:32:20,300 --> 01:32:32,700
I know, I'll present you. 
Anyway, April Vanessa and Zach 

1627
01:32:32,700 --> 01:32:36,100
attend Coachella together and I 
photographed just looking cute. 

1628
01:32:36,100 --> 01:32:37,700
Like, on the grass, I don't have
a picture. 

1629
01:32:37,700 --> 01:32:41,500
This is first Coachella, she's 
like the queen of Coach. 

1630
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:45,500
So this is probably where her 
love story with Coachella 

1631
01:32:45,500 --> 01:32:48,700
vegans. 
It's a music festival. 

1632
01:32:48,700 --> 01:32:54,000
He does back in 2010 but she was
just very normal at this 

1633
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:56,100
Coachella. 
She wasn't like doing the whole 

1634
01:32:56,100 --> 01:32:58,100
like but whole thing she usually
does. 

1635
01:32:59,300 --> 01:33:03,200
Okay, so around this time 
Vanessa's upcoming film, beastly

1636
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:06,300
is scheduled to premiere on July
30th. 

1637
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:12,300
However, Universal Pictures, 
schedules the film Charlie st. 

1638
01:33:12,300 --> 01:33:16,100
Cloud Zac Efron's film to come 
out on the same day. 

1639
01:33:16,500 --> 01:33:20,200
So bows, Not give NASA, they 
give interviews and statements 

1640
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:24,100
saying that the coincidence is 
unfortunate because they don't 

1641
01:33:24,100 --> 01:33:26,900
want their films to be competing
against each other at the box 

1642
01:33:26,900 --> 01:33:33,900
office and then CBS films 
decides to push back beastly and

1643
01:33:33,900 --> 01:33:36,600
they release a statement saying 
that this would cause a real 

1644
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:39,400
Dilemma to both fans of zakah 
Vanessa. 

1645
01:33:40,500 --> 01:33:43,300
So they actually push it back 
almost an entire year. 

1646
01:33:43,300 --> 01:33:45,700
Wow. 
Just because they didn't want to

1647
01:33:45,700 --> 01:33:47,200
also compete with like summer 
movie. 

1648
01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:49,900
Hmm, But, I don't know. 
I think it's interesting that 

1649
01:33:49,900 --> 01:33:52,100
like, Vanessa's movie got the 
kite, you know. 

1650
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:56,400
Yeah, wow. 
Hmm movie. 

1651
01:33:57,100 --> 01:33:59,600
Yeah, I liked that movie, you 
know, I saw a beastly and I 

1652
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:01,400
didn't see Charlie st. 
Cloud. 

1653
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:04,900
I don't think I did either. 
So yeah, that's the one that 

1654
01:34:04,900 --> 01:34:08,400
Drew me and don't have more 
Twilight Vibes, it does. 

1655
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:13,000
Yeah, and make it also wasn't it
does her last acting as 

1656
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:16,300
pettifer? 
Yeah, I liked it. 

1657
01:34:17,300 --> 01:34:20,400
I was like beating the beast but
modern. 

1658
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:24,700
Right. 
Kind of yeah yeah in June once 

1659
01:34:24,700 --> 01:34:27,300
again the at the MTV Movie 
Awards I used to love watching 

1660
01:34:27,300 --> 01:34:31,800
MTV to so fun like I never watch
it anymore. 

1661
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:34,900
Know maybe we should get back 
into it now. 

1662
01:34:34,900 --> 01:34:36,700
Did you watch the VMAs? 
The other day? 

1663
01:34:36,700 --> 01:34:39,800
I know me. 
Neither like there is something 

1664
01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:42,500
to happen though. 
Oh Taylor Swift announced a new 

1665
01:34:42,500 --> 01:34:46,600
album Midnight's. 
How are people watching this? 

1666
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:48,900
Just like live on TV? 
Mmm. 

1667
01:34:48,900 --> 01:34:52,600
Yeah. 
Well snow think I'll be able to 

1668
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:54,100
do that anymore. 
I know. 

1669
01:34:54,500 --> 01:34:59,200
Yeah, a lot of people don't have
cable and yeah or like but I 

1670
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:02,000
think it's a nice thing actually
me too. 

1671
01:35:02,100 --> 01:35:06,800
I mean I do like a big like 
award show moment. 

1672
01:35:06,900 --> 01:35:09,000
I like something that brings the
country together. 

1673
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:14,100
Hmm or the world together. 
At the Super Bowl like I like 

1674
01:35:14,100 --> 01:35:15,400
that. 
Everyone is like watching 

1675
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:17,100
something. 
We need more of that. 

1676
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:21,700
I agree we just have something 
like once a month. 

1677
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:24,500
Yeah. 
We all just sit down and watch 

1678
01:35:25,300 --> 01:35:27,800
talking too much to ask for. 
It's a bond. 

1679
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:31,900
Exotic something Dune. 
Yeah, so they're at this MTV 

1680
01:35:31,900 --> 01:35:35,100
Movie Awards and there's a kiss 
cam so they're not nominated for

1681
01:35:35,100 --> 01:35:37,200
best kiss, but they're on this 
kiss cam. 

1682
01:35:48,100 --> 01:35:52,400
Thank you. 
I wish you guys could kiss. 

1683
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:54,200
Yeah. 
Because I wish you could see it,

1684
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:58,000
you know, because it is a 
podcast, we are limited okay. 

1685
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:00,500
Also that same month. 
Oh, Zack is asked about his 

1686
01:36:00,500 --> 01:36:04,000
relationship and I he is what I 
think is the most to she and 

1687
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,800
song I've ever heard. 
Okay, let's hear it. 

1688
01:36:08,700 --> 01:36:12,000
Ships, he met actress, Vanessa 
Hudgens on set during High 

1689
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:14,900
School Musical and the two are 
still together. 

1690
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,300
So you're dating, a thin woman 
for years and you're a hot 

1691
01:36:17,300 --> 01:36:19,000
property. 
We've got a great thing going 

1692
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:22,800
serving me right now, and we're 
having having a lot of fun, so 

1693
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:25,800
it's not over yet, you know, I'm
not gonna speak too far down the

1694
01:36:25,808 --> 01:36:27,200
road because I don't know what's
gonna happen. 

1695
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:31,100
But right now, I'm very happy. 
What the fuck? 

1696
01:36:31,100 --> 01:36:35,300
It's not over yet. 
Kind of answers that you've been

1697
01:36:35,300 --> 01:36:38,300
dating someone for five years 
working right now? 

1698
01:36:38,300 --> 01:36:39,900
Yeah. 
Yeah, it's working a serving me 

1699
01:36:39,900 --> 01:36:41,300
right now. 
Oh my gosh. 

1700
01:36:41,300 --> 01:36:43,000
Not over yet. 
I can't promise. 

1701
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:49,300
That's exalted it won't and it's
serving me, right? 

1702
01:36:49,300 --> 01:36:52,600
Yeah, it's serving me. 
Oh Zach. 

1703
01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:57,600
No, no, no, he's not romantic. 
He doesn't have a way with words

1704
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:00,000
when it comes to love. 
So I'll give him the men of the 

1705
01:37:00,008 --> 01:37:01,400
doll. 
Like maybe there's something 

1706
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:02,900
that like we're not seeing. 
Yeah. 

1707
01:37:03,100 --> 01:37:07,100
But II know you're going to show
me so much more and maybe he's 

1708
01:37:07,100 --> 01:37:08,500
like this deep intellectual or 
whatever. 

1709
01:37:08,700 --> 01:37:11,800
I recently watched his travel 
show thing because he didn't 

1710
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:14,600
episode Iceland. 
I'm going to Iceland next week, 

1711
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:18,000
oh my God. 
But anyway in the episode he was

1712
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:24,700
enjoyable but he just seemed a 
little dumb and he did say a 

1713
01:37:24,700 --> 01:37:27,700
couple of things that I feel 
like could have seemed rude. 

1714
01:37:27,700 --> 01:37:31,800
Not in like an outright way but 
just like it's like he doesn't 

1715
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:34,200
aware of what he's saying. 
Yeah. 

1716
01:37:34,200 --> 01:37:38,000
Come off like he wanted some 
chocolate factory and he's kind 

1717
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:45,700
of like shit. 
Amish or not good? 

1718
01:37:51,100 --> 01:37:54,400
Yeah. 
He's funny too but I don't know 

1719
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:57,000
something about him also. 
Just seems so regular. 

1720
01:37:57,200 --> 01:38:01,500
Yeah, but also little dumb. 
I feel like he often says the 

1721
01:38:01,500 --> 01:38:05,000
wrong thing, but he doesn't mean
to ya know. 

1722
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:07,700
I mean even though he was like 
shitting on High School Musical 

1723
01:38:07,700 --> 01:38:11,100
or saying like, Me and the cast 
aren't competing with each other

1724
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:14,300
because I'm doing a lot better 
things than they are. 

1725
01:38:14,300 --> 01:38:18,500
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it doesn't 
mean it with any harm, but it 

1726
01:38:18,500 --> 01:38:21,000
doesn't sound good. 
And I think of the chocolate 

1727
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:23,700
actually think he did feel a 
little bags and you bought a 

1728
01:38:23,700 --> 01:38:29,000
bunch of chocolate I should 
watch them. 

1729
01:38:29,100 --> 01:38:31,400
Yeah it's enjoyable. 
There's a cool. 

1730
01:38:31,500 --> 01:38:34,600
I'm sure he's a good person got 
from like no shit. 

1731
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:36,800
Yeah. 
That kind of reminds me of like 

1732
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:40,900
in the office There's a clip 
with Ryan Howard, where he's 

1733
01:38:40,900 --> 01:38:42,800
like, I'm in love with Kelly 
Kapoor. 

1734
01:38:43,700 --> 01:38:47,900
I can't promise if I'll be in 
love with her tomorrow, I'm not 

1735
01:38:47,900 --> 01:38:51,200
sure that could change my good 
today. 

1736
01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:54,300
I'm in love that. 
Like you thinks it sounds sweet.

1737
01:38:54,300 --> 01:38:56,500
Yeah. 
She just came off to me, like 

1738
01:38:56,500 --> 01:38:58,400
someone from your hometown. 
I can't describe it. 

1739
01:38:58,400 --> 01:39:00,900
Like, he just seems so normal. 
Mmm. 

1740
01:39:01,100 --> 01:39:07,300
Yeah, I could just watch it. 
Oh, watch also Vanessa she's 

1741
01:39:07,300 --> 01:39:10,700
interviewed. 
In July by Glamour magazine 

1742
01:39:10,900 --> 01:39:13,200
magazine. 
And she says the following about

1743
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:15,900
sack right off the bat. 
We had a connection. 

1744
01:39:15,900 --> 01:39:19,500
I think everybody could see it. 
When we had our audition, they 

1745
01:39:19,500 --> 01:39:21,500
paid us together and he was 
adorable. 

1746
01:39:21,500 --> 01:39:23,600
I mean he wasn't the guy that he
is today. 

1747
01:39:23,900 --> 01:39:26,800
Like he had a gap in his teeth. 
He's just grown up. 

1748
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:30,300
He doesn't have his Gap anymore.
I look at him and I see a man. 

1749
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:32,400
I think that we Inspire each 
other. 

1750
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:34,500
I love having someone to grow 
with. 

1751
01:39:34,900 --> 01:39:36,500
She's a lot better with her 
words. 

1752
01:39:40,100 --> 01:39:42,800
I forgot he had a gap. 
I know me too. 

1753
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:47,800
So in August, once again, jack 
is interviewed by details 

1754
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:51,100
magazine and it's just asked 
about his long-term relationship

1755
01:39:51,700 --> 01:39:55,500
as a heartthrob and like, why 
he's not dating as many women as

1756
01:39:55,500 --> 01:39:58,800
possible while he has. 
The chance are people asking, I 

1757
01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:03,000
know really rude and he says, 
yeah, everyone tells me that, I 

1758
01:40:03,008 --> 01:40:06,600
think a lot of guys would enjoy 
that, but I'm not really like 

1759
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:08,500
that. 
Believe me, I racked my brain. 

1760
01:40:08,700 --> 01:40:11,500
Thinking, why am I not out there
playing the field? 

1761
01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:14,600
One of my buddies was like, you 
have no idea what's going on 

1762
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:16,900
right now. 
You're peaking on ecstasy and 

1763
01:40:16,900 --> 01:40:20,300
you're watching TV, but it's not
in my heart. 

1764
01:40:20,700 --> 01:40:24,400
Mmm. 
So kind of says, the right 

1765
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:28,700
thing, but yeah, believe me. 
I'm wondering the same thing. 

1766
01:40:28,700 --> 01:40:32,600
That's he should be like, no, 
I'm in love with someone. 

1767
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:36,200
I don't need to go out there and
find someone or whatever because

1768
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:37,700
I have someone you know what I 
mean? 

1769
01:40:37,700 --> 01:40:41,100
Yeah. 
Yeah, I don't, I wouldn't feel 

1770
01:40:41,100 --> 01:40:45,100
secure if I was your girlfriend 
and you were saying like, I'm 

1771
01:40:45,100 --> 01:40:49,000
not about it, I'm feeling. 
What why am I still in this 

1772
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:51,600
long-term relationship? 
When I could have any girl I 

1773
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:54,400
want. 
Why are generalists asking that 

1774
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:55,900
too? 
It's so weird. 

1775
01:40:55,900 --> 01:40:59,800
I know it's invasive. 
You're in. 

1776
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:01,500
Oh, you're in a long-term 
relationship. 

1777
01:41:01,500 --> 01:41:05,100
Why why don't you go hook up 
with Wonder Girls? 

1778
01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:08,500
Offensives, have been attached? 
And who's insanely beautiful? 

1779
01:41:08,600 --> 01:41:11,200
And, you know, if you're single,
they'd be like, are you dating 

1780
01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:12,900
anybody? 
Exactly. 

1781
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:15,400
Exactly. 
We kind of says that. 

1782
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:17,500
So, they okay. 
So, they also asked him about 

1783
01:41:17,500 --> 01:41:22,300
rumors that Zach and Vanessa are
just a PR couple orchestrated by

1784
01:41:22,300 --> 01:41:28,000
Disney to cover, up alleged 
homosexuality on Deck, Efron's 

1785
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:31,800
carb and this is actually 
something the podcast. 

1786
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:33,400
Was it dunzo. 
Hmm. 

1787
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:37,100
They like read a lot of blind 
items about like Zach being like

1788
01:41:37,100 --> 01:41:39,400
supposedly secretly in the 
closet. 

1789
01:41:39,900 --> 01:41:42,300
I'm not going to give any are to
that because I actually think 

1790
01:41:42,300 --> 01:41:43,900
it's like not supposed to do 
that. 

1791
01:41:43,900 --> 01:41:49,800
Yeah yeah but that is a popular 
rumor online but so Mac says, 

1792
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:52,700
that's fucking insane. 
I've never even heard of that 

1793
01:41:52,700 --> 01:41:55,200
happening. 
I don't even know who I would 

1794
01:41:55,200 --> 01:41:57,200
have been around. 
Who would have thought that was 

1795
01:41:57,200 --> 01:41:59,700
even a good idea. 
It would have been so much 

1796
01:41:59,700 --> 01:42:01,900
easier to call it off a long 
time ago. 

1797
01:42:02,300 --> 01:42:06,400
Mmm, they the tabloids like in 
parentheses want you to believe 

1798
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:09,300
and they hope that influence you
to break up by making. 

1799
01:42:09,300 --> 01:42:13,500
You seem insane for being in it 
and then you'll play the field 

1800
01:42:13,500 --> 01:42:15,300
and then they can write about 
you. 

1801
01:42:15,300 --> 01:42:18,500
A shitload make shit up and 
speculate about everything, 

1802
01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:20,400
right? 
Now they know exactly what's 

1803
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:23,400
going on, and it's not very 
interesting and there's no money

1804
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:25,700
to be made on it. 
It's exactly how it should be. 

1805
01:42:25,700 --> 01:42:30,000
It's real. 
Well, that's nice pleasant 

1806
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:34,800
sweet. 
Yeah, so he's in this region 

1807
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:38,900
show he's serious about it. 
Also that month been asked to 

1808
01:42:38,900 --> 01:42:44,900
stars in rent on stage as I 
don't think like Broadway but 

1809
01:42:44,900 --> 01:42:49,000
she's in a live production and 
Zack actually tips her on stage.

1810
01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:51,900
While she's performing a 
striptease, like he gets up from

1811
01:42:51,900 --> 01:42:54,100
his seat and hands her a dollar.
My God. 

1812
01:42:54,100 --> 01:42:55,300
That's funny. 
He did that. 

1813
01:42:55,300 --> 01:42:58,900
I know I also heard rumors. 
I think these are blind items. 

1814
01:42:58,900 --> 01:43:01,600
I don't know if it's true, but 
that Zach was talking a lot. 

1815
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:06,600
During yes, women's TV in a 
Vanessa wasn't happy with that 

1816
01:43:07,100 --> 01:43:09,000
but that just could be a real 
name. 

1817
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:10,700
Yeah. 
And then once again that month 

1818
01:43:10,700 --> 01:43:12,600
they go to Hawaii again 
together. 

1819
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:15,800
Love it. 
I know on vacation and onlookers

1820
01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:19,700
say that Zach was taking photos 
of Vanessa in the Ocean. 

1821
01:43:20,700 --> 01:43:23,600
So okay, I don't think the 
paparazzi were there, this time.

1822
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:27,000
Okay. 
November Vanessa, is filming 

1823
01:43:27,100 --> 01:43:33,400
Journey to the Mysterious Island
and black Zack flies there to be

1824
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:35,000
with her. 
I don't know where it is. 

1825
01:43:35,500 --> 01:43:38,600
Oh Island. 
Yeah, maybe Hawaii. 

1826
01:43:39,100 --> 01:43:43,200
And Paparazzi takes photos of 
them kissing after dinner. 

1827
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:48,800
I want to see those. 
Oh, she raps has her arms around

1828
01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:49,400
him. 
Mm. 

1829
01:43:49,400 --> 01:43:52,000
He wraps his arms around one 
kiss. 

1830
01:43:52,100 --> 01:43:56,900
Yep, she's got his arms on his 
stomach, rubbing it and they get

1831
01:43:56,900 --> 01:44:00,400
into a car together. 
Interesting, hmm. 

1832
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:03,300
That on December 13th. 2010, it 
is announced. 

1833
01:44:03,300 --> 01:44:05,100
That zakah Vanessa have broken 
up. 

1834
01:44:05,100 --> 01:44:07,800
What? 
Mmm 2010. 

1835
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:10,500
Hmm. 
This is Major. 

1836
01:44:12,100 --> 01:44:16,100
A source tells people that they 
are 100% still good friends and 

1837
01:44:16,100 --> 01:44:19,000
then another source tells us 
weekly that nothing dramatic. 

1838
01:44:19,100 --> 01:44:21,400
Attic happened, they just grew 
up. 

1839
01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:25,100
And according to other sources, 
they actually broke up when Zach

1840
01:44:25,100 --> 01:44:28,400
went to Hawaii to see, Vanessa 
filming that movie. 

1841
01:44:28,500 --> 01:44:31,500
Hmm. 
So, that Paparazzi video, we saw

1842
01:44:31,500 --> 01:44:33,500
could be like right before they 
broke up. 

1843
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:36,300
Hmm, what the heck? 
Mmm. 

1844
01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:39,800
And during this month, Vanessa 
does a photo shoot for details 

1845
01:44:39,800 --> 01:44:42,100
magazine. 
She's asked about the breakup 

1846
01:44:42,100 --> 01:44:44,000
and she says, we're still good 
friends. 

1847
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:47,200
Who knows what the future will 
bring or figuring things out. 

1848
01:44:47,300 --> 01:44:50,500
Hmm. 
So Obviously don't know that, 

1849
01:44:50,500 --> 01:44:53,400
it's like forever. 
So, with a together for five 

1850
01:44:53,400 --> 01:44:57,700
years, mmm, five years very 
quickly. 

1851
01:44:57,700 --> 01:45:00,700
After this though, Vanessa is 
reportedly dating. 

1852
01:45:00,700 --> 01:45:05,200
Josh Hutcherson, and she leader 
goes on Ellen, and she denies it

1853
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:08,900
and says, they're just friends 
and she never admits a dating 

1854
01:45:08,900 --> 01:45:11,100
him. 
But later on, Josh, Hutcherson 

1855
01:45:11,100 --> 01:45:13,900
is giving an interview and says 
that they had briefly dated and 

1856
01:45:13,900 --> 01:45:17,200
then she broke his heart. 
Really interesting. 

1857
01:45:17,200 --> 01:45:20,600
Yeah, hmm. 
While they're filming the movie.

1858
01:45:20,700 --> 01:45:23,500
So she had a little rebound, 
right, after that. 

1859
01:45:23,900 --> 01:45:27,500
What I do think Zack broke up 
with her though, but I'm not 

1860
01:45:27,500 --> 01:45:30,100
sure if I had to guess, that's 
what I would say. 

1861
01:45:31,300 --> 01:45:32,900
So good for her. 
Yeah. 

1862
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:35,800
Wow. 
I think it was just a fling 

1863
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:41,200
with, with Josh, March, Vanessa 
gives another interview where 

1864
01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:43,500
she attributes The Break-Up too 
long distance. 

1865
01:45:43,500 --> 01:45:47,000
She says, long-distance 
relationships are hard no matter

1866
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:48,900
what. 
When you don't have face to face

1867
01:45:48,900 --> 01:45:51,900
time, It's just different having
an iPhone helped but it just 

1868
01:45:51,900 --> 01:45:58,300
wasn't the same. 
Long distance relationships will

1869
01:45:58,300 --> 01:46:04,000
kill you. 
I could probably send know my 

1870
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:06,200
goodness. 
I do love that song. 

1871
01:46:06,700 --> 01:46:12,900
That's true 2011, this after the
breakup Zach, Vanessa are both 

1872
01:46:12,900 --> 01:46:16,100
in attendance at a party in 
Hollywood and sources say that 

1873
01:46:16,100 --> 01:46:19,500
they were constantly tuss 
touching and kissing each other 

1874
01:46:19,500 --> 01:46:23,700
interesting. 
One quote was Vanessa was 

1875
01:46:23,700 --> 01:46:27,600
bopping around with her arms up.
Zach had his hands all over her.

1876
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:31,300
Vanessa had a smile on from ear 
to ear and the two were 

1877
01:46:31,300 --> 01:46:35,100
inseparable after that. 
Some people, my Eczema bring 

1878
01:46:35,100 --> 01:46:37,600
those, it's cute. 
If it's true, he was kind of 

1879
01:46:37,608 --> 01:46:41,000
legit bopping around. 
I know they definitely high on 

1880
01:46:41,000 --> 01:46:43,800
that, like post-breakup, you 
know, sucks or whatever. 

1881
01:46:43,900 --> 01:46:48,000
Quote number two, Zach sat in 
between her legs, and she 

1882
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:52,400
wrapped her arms around him. 
They were making out on and off,

1883
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:54,700
for the last hour or so, until 
closing. 

1884
01:46:54,700 --> 01:46:57,400
They acted like they There was 
no one else in the room. 

1885
01:46:57,400 --> 01:47:00,600
What? 
But that same here, Zach is at a

1886
01:47:00,608 --> 01:47:03,600
party and Malibu with Ashley 
Tisdale. 

1887
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:05,600
What? 
And their photograph kissing? 

1888
01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:13,600
No, I don't like this. 
Here's the photo and I think 

1889
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:15,600
like later. 
Wait yeah. 

1890
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:18,900
Let me tell you, I don't like 
that. 

1891
01:47:20,100 --> 01:47:21,900
Back off. 
Ashley Tisdale. 

1892
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:24,600
She's a Vanessa Hudgens like 
best fried. 

1893
01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:28,000
The heck that's Wrong. 
There's a photo. 

1894
01:47:31,300 --> 01:47:34,000
And there's even more photos up 
like, look at him kissing her 

1895
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:35,900
neck. 
What the the I'm pissed? 

1896
01:47:35,900 --> 01:47:38,500
That's horrible. 
Now in photos of them, playing 

1897
01:47:38,500 --> 01:47:39,900
is playing in the water 
together. 

1898
01:47:39,900 --> 01:47:42,200
She's in a bikini he's in his 
bathing suit. 

1899
01:47:42,300 --> 01:47:46,500
Why he has his arm on her back. 
Oh what? 

1900
01:47:46,500 --> 01:47:48,900
So he's wanted to try hooking up
with her this whole time. 

1901
01:47:48,900 --> 01:47:52,700
I know him giving her a 
piggyback ride. 

1902
01:47:53,300 --> 01:47:57,100
Look at this. 
I do not like this her hands on 

1903
01:47:57,100 --> 01:48:00,700
his head so I told you there's 
something weird going on here. 

1904
01:48:00,700 --> 01:48:03,200
Look. 
Thus, how good Vanessa be, okay 

1905
01:48:03,200 --> 01:48:07,900
with that Vanessa, publicly 
seems unfazed by this. 

1906
01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:11,000
Look at this picture him. 
Holding Ashley Tisdale. 

1907
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:14,300
Oh my God. 
That is incredibly, flirty 

1908
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:16,100
friends. 
Yeah, do not do that. 

1909
01:48:16,100 --> 01:48:18,500
She said bikini, he's holding 
her. 

1910
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:23,200
So I don't know that happened. 
I told you there's something 

1911
01:48:23,200 --> 01:48:27,400
more going on there. 
What do you think about the 

1912
01:48:27,400 --> 01:48:29,500
threesome now? 
Like, do you think I don't know.

1913
01:48:30,100 --> 01:48:31,300
I still not sure. 
Sure. 

1914
01:48:31,400 --> 01:48:34,000
I mean, I feel like threesomes 
are so dramatic. 

1915
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:35,800
I know, like, do they like each 
other? 

1916
01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:39,200
That well, maybe and that's that
hippie. 

1917
01:48:39,700 --> 01:48:41,800
I don't know. 
I mean, they were partying, I 

1918
01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:45,800
don't know anything going on. 
They might have experimented. 

1919
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:50,000
I'm not saying necessarily a 
three someone on, but Ashley 

1920
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:53,700
Tisdale and zag definitely are a
little shady. 

1921
01:48:54,100 --> 01:48:56,900
If you look into it, that's 
nuts. 

1922
01:48:56,900 --> 01:49:00,900
They did it for five years but 
Ashley and Vanessa remain. 

1923
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:04,100
Friends to this day. 
Like I don't think that there 

1924
01:49:04,100 --> 01:49:07,100
was like drama there so I don't 
get it. 

1925
01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:10,900
Wow, I wish we knew. 
I know if anyone like knows 

1926
01:49:10,900 --> 01:49:15,400
anything more about that, let me
know. 2013 people writes an 

1927
01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:19,100
article exposing Zacks addiction
to cocaine. 

1928
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:23,600
They write when some of his 
projects failed to ignite. 

1929
01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:26,900
He struggled with insecurities 
about his looks and his career 

1930
01:49:27,100 --> 01:49:30,500
say some books because I know so
stupid. 

1931
01:49:30,700 --> 01:49:32,500
I No. 
But I mean hey if your career is

1932
01:49:32,500 --> 01:49:35,500
based off how you look and then 
suddenly you're not Landing 

1933
01:49:35,500 --> 01:49:37,700
parts. 
For people aren't going to your 

1934
01:49:37,700 --> 01:49:40,200
movies. 
You might feel like am I no 

1935
01:49:40,200 --> 01:49:44,900
longer go? 
Look at things, say 90 the heck,

1936
01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:48,300
I think like the bottom line is,
like looks are not everything, 

1937
01:49:49,300 --> 01:49:52,000
so it's just a lot of luck. 
The article also says, some 

1938
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:55,000
people can handle partying and 
some camp but he eventually 

1939
01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:58,100
began far out. 
Partying, his peers falling in 

1940
01:49:58,100 --> 01:50:00,900
with a click of young Hollywood 
clubbers who often use drugs 

1941
01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:04,400
According to sources. 
No, I don't trip to Las Vegas in

1942
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:07,700
2010 with friends, he and 
somebody's headed to a strip 

1943
01:50:07,700 --> 01:50:11,600
club as soon as Hodgins left for
a New York photo shoot, they 

1944
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:14,700
were snorting coke and pulled an
all-nighter at the strip club. 

1945
01:50:14,700 --> 01:50:17,500
So the source who was with them,
it came straight from the strip 

1946
01:50:17,500 --> 01:50:19,800
club and went to a pool party at
like noon. 

1947
01:50:20,100 --> 01:50:23,300
Oh my God, I feel like he's 
partying, might have had 

1948
01:50:23,300 --> 01:50:24,800
something to do with The 
Break-Up. 

1949
01:50:25,300 --> 01:50:28,400
Yeah, probably. 
And who knows if he was like 

1950
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:31,700
cheating as well? 
24. 14. 

1951
01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:35,700
Zack Now 26 has gone to rehab 
and is opening up to The 

1952
01:50:35,700 --> 01:50:39,800
Hollywood Reporter about 
battling with alcoholism and a 

1953
01:50:39,800 --> 01:50:43,900
drug addiction and his early 20s
and he says I was drinking a lot

1954
01:50:43,900 --> 01:50:46,700
way too much it was never one 
specific thing. 

1955
01:50:47,100 --> 01:50:50,100
I mean you're in your 20s single
going through life in Hollywood 

1956
01:50:50,100 --> 01:50:51,900
you know everything is thrown at
you. 

1957
01:50:51,900 --> 01:50:54,700
I wouldn't take anything back, I
needed to learn everything that 

1958
01:50:54,700 --> 01:50:58,300
I did but it was an interesting 
journey to say the least and he 

1959
01:50:58,300 --> 01:51:02,100
admits, it's still a constant 
battle and then you Going to AA 

1960
01:51:02,100 --> 01:51:05,200
and going to therapy. 
And in the same interview, Zack 

1961
01:51:05,200 --> 01:51:08,500
is asked about Vanessa Hudgens 
and says that they're no longer 

1962
01:51:08,500 --> 01:51:11,100
in touch with each other. 
But says she was a really 

1963
01:51:11,100 --> 01:51:14,000
interesting sweet person. 
Hmm. 

1964
01:51:14,100 --> 01:51:16,600
Those four years after their 
breakup, they do not speak 

1965
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:19,700
anymore. 
But why do you say he's single? 

1966
01:51:20,300 --> 01:51:22,100
Did he just mean after the 
breakup? 

1967
01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:28,600
Oh, I didn't even notice that 
when you're in your 20s single, 

1968
01:51:28,700 --> 01:51:31,800
mmm. 
Yeah, maybe he meant after the 

1969
01:51:31,800 --> 01:51:37,500
after, hmm, that's awesome. 
2015, Vanessa gives an interview

1970
01:51:37,500 --> 01:51:40,100
with the New York Times. 
And when asked about the 

1971
01:51:40,100 --> 01:51:43,500
relationship, she says, I went 
through a phase when I was 

1972
01:51:43,500 --> 01:51:47,400
really mean because I was so fed
up girls were running after him 

1973
01:51:47,400 --> 01:51:49,200
and I was giving them death 
tears. 

1974
01:51:49,400 --> 01:51:51,700
Then I realized that's not what 
that's about. 

1975
01:51:52,300 --> 01:51:55,500
So I think the attention that 
Zach got like really got to her 

1976
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:58,200
was hard to deal with as well. 
That's odd. 

1977
01:51:58,200 --> 01:52:01,300
She wouldn't mind. 
Ashley Tisdale L being all over 

1978
01:52:01,300 --> 01:52:06,300
exactly, maybe she did. 
I know maybe and she's playing a

1979
01:52:06,300 --> 01:52:09,200
poker face. 
I mean, once again, at Vanessa 

1980
01:52:09,200 --> 01:52:11,000
Hudgens, so strong. 
Yeah. 

1981
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:14,600
She's good at hiding, her 
emotions like yeah. 

1982
01:52:14,600 --> 01:52:17,600
You know, she performed, grease 
live, right? 

1983
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:19,900
The day after her dad died. 
Mmm. 

1984
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:25,100
And she went to the Met Gala. 
She was a correspondent there at

1985
01:52:25,100 --> 01:52:29,700
the Met Gala, where Austin 
Butler the new, it boy, is 

1986
01:52:29,700 --> 01:52:31,900
walking. 
Walking arm-in-arm with Kya 

1987
01:52:31,900 --> 01:52:35,700
Gerber after their nine-year 
relationship easy. 

1988
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:39,400
And she has to like there's one 
clip of Vanessa on the red 

1989
01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:43,500
carpet where she's like, it 
sounds like there's like a hyena

1990
01:52:43,500 --> 01:52:46,000
outside. 
There's a clip of Vanessa on the

1991
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:50,300
red carpet, where, whatever 
interviewer she's with is like 

1992
01:52:50,300 --> 01:52:52,500
alright. 
And now back to so-and-so with 

1993
01:52:52,500 --> 01:52:56,000
Austin, Butler and Kaia Gerber 
and Vanessa has to just stand 

1994
01:52:56,000 --> 01:53:02,900
there with a smile on her face. 
That's sad. 2016 High School 

1995
01:53:02,900 --> 01:53:06,900
reunions cast reunite to film, a
10-year reunions special. 

1996
01:53:07,100 --> 01:53:10,300
But Zach does not attend because
he's doing promotion for a film 

1997
01:53:10,300 --> 01:53:13,000
Dirty Grandpa. 
And instead he just sends a 

1998
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:17,000
video of himself and Vanessa 
seems unfazed watching old 

1999
01:53:17,000 --> 01:53:18,500
footage of her and Zach 
together. 

2000
01:53:18,600 --> 01:53:21,000
He doesn't really seem like she 
cares. 

2001
01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:23,700
She's like, smiling along to it.
That's good. 

2002
01:53:23,700 --> 01:53:26,600
Mmm, when she's in a very 
serious relationship. 

2003
01:53:26,600 --> 01:53:29,200
At this point with awesome 
button, mmm. 

2004
01:53:30,100 --> 01:53:32,500
Seventeen. 
Vanessa is asked if she still 

2005
01:53:32,500 --> 01:53:34,600
keeps in touch with Zach and an 
interview. 

2006
01:53:34,600 --> 01:54:01,300
And I have a clip 
Contact with him. 

2007
01:54:01,600 --> 01:54:05,700
Yeah, the way she says that is, 
yeah, like, I don't know, like 

2008
01:54:05,700 --> 01:54:10,300
it tells a story. 
She's just like, it is what it 

2009
01:54:10,300 --> 01:54:13,800
is. 
Yeah, it's interesting that they

2010
01:54:13,800 --> 01:54:17,100
did it for five years, they just
they never speak at all, you 

2011
01:54:17,100 --> 01:54:18,400
know? 
But that's what happens. 

2012
01:54:18,400 --> 01:54:21,900
Yeah, I think that's pretty 
normal some at some point. 

2013
01:54:21,900 --> 01:54:24,400
There's nothing really to say 
exactly specially, if you're in 

2014
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:27,500
a serious relationship, it's 
like not appropriate. 

2015
01:54:27,500 --> 01:54:31,600
Sometimes, I think I agree. 
The only reason I think it's 

2016
01:54:31,600 --> 01:54:36,100
like interesting is because 
they're in Hollywood and 

2017
01:54:36,100 --> 01:54:38,800
Hollywood just feels so small. 
Yeah, I know, like everyone kind

2018
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:40,300
of runs in the same Circle. 
Yeah. 

2019
01:54:40,300 --> 01:54:44,500
They never seen each other again
and hard to believe. 

2020
01:54:44,600 --> 01:54:47,300
It's hard to believe especially 
when I'm one of her best friends

2021
01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:54,000
is so cozy with him. 
Mmm-hmm, that's so funny. 

2022
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:55,500
I like that. 
She said that I love them. 

2023
01:54:55,500 --> 01:54:57,900
People are real. 
I know you can tell they're 

2024
01:54:57,900 --> 01:54:59,900
telling the truth. 
It is so many. 

2025
01:55:00,100 --> 01:55:02,900
Probably would have been like 
oh, you know, like not for a 

2026
01:55:02,900 --> 01:55:05,000
while. 
But occasionally. 

2027
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:08,900
Yeah, but I wish him. 
Well yeah, Tobias answer. 

2028
01:55:09,100 --> 01:55:13,600
I completely lost contact with a
cool good. 

2029
01:55:13,600 --> 01:55:16,000
I mean, I would feel secure if I
was Vanessa this boyfriend. 

2030
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:21,200
Yeah. 
And then in 2019, Vanessa is 

2031
01:55:21,400 --> 01:55:24,000
doing an interview and it's 
asked, I think this is on 

2032
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:27,300
Awards, chatter the podcast 
asked about what it was like 

2033
01:55:27,300 --> 01:55:29,900
having a high-profile 
relationship in the beginning of

2034
01:55:30,100 --> 01:55:32,800
Social media. 
She said it started off really 

2035
01:55:32,800 --> 01:55:35,700
organically and I could not have
been more grateful than to have 

2036
01:55:35,700 --> 01:55:38,800
that relationship at that time, 
we kind of blew up. 

2037
01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:41,500
It was like this massive 
phenomenon, all of a sudden and 

2038
01:55:41,500 --> 01:55:44,600
eyes were on me. 
It was just really foreign it 

2039
01:55:44,600 --> 01:55:47,100
was just a really foreign weird 
thing to go through and by being

2040
01:55:47,100 --> 01:55:50,200
in a relationship, it kind of 
kept me stabilized and grounded 

2041
01:55:50,200 --> 01:55:53,500
and I had someone to lean on who
was going through it as well. 

2042
01:55:54,300 --> 01:55:56,500
But yeah, of course not 
everything is always happy and 

2043
01:55:56,500 --> 01:55:58,700
dandy. 
I remember one time we did have 

2044
01:55:58,700 --> 01:56:02,000
a fight, it was while we were 
Rehearsals and I remember Kenny 

2045
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:05,000
Ortega came over the corner and 
being like, Oh no. 

2046
01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:08,200
Is our movie going to fall apart
right now and we all sorted it 

2047
01:56:08,200 --> 01:56:11,200
out, sorted it out. 
I think because I was so young 

2048
01:56:11,200 --> 01:56:13,400
having that relationship really 
stabilized. 

2049
01:56:13,400 --> 01:56:15,700
Me, mmm. 
Just sweet. 

2050
01:56:15,700 --> 01:56:18,400
That is sweet. 
But in this interview because I 

2051
01:56:18,407 --> 01:56:20,400
just read it, you guys like can 
really hear it. 

2052
01:56:20,700 --> 01:56:24,300
I did feel like a Cadence and 
her voice was emphasizing like 

2053
01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:29,100
that relationship at that time. 
Like it's kind of like that was 

2054
01:56:29,100 --> 01:56:31,900
in the past. 
It's like she's saying it was 

2055
01:56:31,900 --> 01:56:36,300
good for what it was but I 
wouldn't take it back. 

2056
01:56:36,300 --> 01:56:40,100
Yes, you know it's like careful 
with her words. 

2057
01:56:40,300 --> 01:56:41,900
Mmm. 
So. 

2058
01:56:41,900 --> 01:56:44,800
Okay, we're almost at the end 
2020. 

2059
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:47,800
Vanessa, who has been dating, 
Austin Butler for eight years, 

2060
01:56:48,200 --> 01:56:51,700
gives an interview with Cosmo 
where she says she hasn't seen 

2061
01:56:51,700 --> 01:56:56,300
or spoken to Zach in years and 
she says she still has that t 

2062
01:56:56,300 --> 01:56:59,600
necklace. 
That Troy gives her a boy. 

2063
01:57:00,200 --> 01:57:07,200
No tears and thyroid Jason 
tuberculosis yeah that to 

2064
01:57:07,200 --> 01:57:09,700
necklace. 
That Troy gives Gabriella, which

2065
01:57:09,700 --> 01:57:14,300
hello so conceited and she says 
that she should donate it to 

2066
01:57:14,300 --> 01:57:17,600
charity because it's just 
resting in a box in her house. 

2067
01:57:17,800 --> 01:57:19,700
That's nice. 
But it's also nice to hold on to

2068
01:57:19,700 --> 01:57:22,100
think but it's not as easy. 
Yeah. 

2069
01:57:22,100 --> 01:57:25,200
Tia. 
I wonder if it's like a good 

2070
01:57:25,200 --> 01:57:27,300
quality necklace, you know? 
He's like gold. 

2071
01:57:27,300 --> 01:57:29,900
Yeah, a cheap problem. 
Yeah. 

2072
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:33,800
Yeah, I think you should. 
I mean, I shouldn't do that. 

2073
01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:36,700
Charity is great, but I would 
like, I would keep something 

2074
01:57:36,700 --> 01:57:39,300
like that. 
But yeah, Big Moment in your 

2075
01:57:39,300 --> 01:57:41,200
life. 
Yeah Relic. 

2076
01:57:41,300 --> 01:57:43,000
Yeah. 
Sounds so nice. 

2077
01:57:43,100 --> 01:57:47,400
I mean, I guess if it was a 
charity but I don't know. 

2078
01:57:47,500 --> 01:57:49,500
You can donate to charity 
herself. 

2079
01:57:49,500 --> 01:57:51,100
She could do me something else 
to turn. 

2080
01:57:51,100 --> 01:57:53,500
Yeah, exactly. 
I don't know. 

2081
01:57:53,500 --> 01:57:55,600
I want her to keep this necklace
so bad. 

2082
01:57:55,600 --> 01:58:01,400
You should, I hope she still has
it and during Both document also

2083
01:58:01,400 --> 01:58:04,700
partake in a High School, 
Musical like virtual reunions. 

2084
01:58:04,700 --> 01:58:07,500
But it's not that significant 
because, like, everybody films 

2085
01:58:07,500 --> 01:58:10,500
their piece separately, and then
it was like, put together, like,

2086
01:58:10,500 --> 01:58:11,200
over his. 
Umm. 

2087
01:58:11,200 --> 01:58:12,600
Yeah. 
So, they weren't talking to each

2088
01:58:12,600 --> 01:58:13,500
other. 
No. 

2089
01:58:13,500 --> 01:58:17,800
And like, Vanessa, she's like 
doing singing and dancing along,

2090
01:58:19,600 --> 01:58:22,800
Troy Zach doesn't like sing or 
dance for it. 

2091
01:58:22,800 --> 01:58:26,800
He just like films a video, 
like, introducing the cast, huh?

2092
01:58:27,600 --> 01:58:31,900
So, okay. 
Mmm, So, now, up to this year of

2093
01:58:31,900 --> 01:58:35,800
Vanessa, recently appeared on 
the purpose podcast and like I 

2094
01:58:35,800 --> 01:58:39,300
said, she quickly referenced Zac
Efron when talking about like a 

2095
01:58:39,308 --> 01:58:42,100
trip to Brazil, mmm. 
And when she'd mentioned his 

2096
01:58:42,100 --> 01:58:45,900
name, she was like I was dating 
Zac Efron and it's like, she's 

2097
01:58:45,900 --> 01:58:48,600
like I'm not kind of embarrassed
it name, drop him. 

2098
01:58:48,600 --> 01:58:52,000
Yeah. 
And then finally, like, the last

2099
01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:57,500
thing I have to say is that 
Vanessa recently shared a video 

2100
01:58:57,500 --> 01:58:59,900
of her in front of the Salt Lake
City. 

2101
01:59:00,100 --> 01:59:02,400
School where they filmed High 
School Musical. 

2102
01:59:02,700 --> 01:59:05,500
Wow. 
And a month later zag posted a 

2103
01:59:05,500 --> 01:59:08,400
picture of himself in front of 
the same school. 

2104
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:11,700
That's interesting. 
Hmm, they just both go 

2105
01:59:11,700 --> 01:59:16,300
incidentally one there. 
Yeah so like I mean I think 

2106
01:59:16,300 --> 01:59:18,700
there probably is some type of 
thing for like High School 

2107
01:59:18,700 --> 01:59:21,200
Musical the musical to series or
something. 

2108
01:59:21,200 --> 01:59:23,600
Maybe does it take place at the 
same school? 

2109
01:59:23,600 --> 01:59:26,700
Yeah. 
Wait really I've never seen it. 

2110
01:59:26,700 --> 01:59:28,400
Yeah. 
Because also the girl who plays 

2111
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:31,800
Martha and High School Musical. 
You know, the girl who loves 

2112
01:59:31,800 --> 01:59:34,500
hip-hop. 
Oh yeah, she was also at the 

2113
01:59:34,500 --> 01:59:36,000
school. 
Oh, okay. 

2114
01:59:36,300 --> 01:59:38,000
But they all went there for some
reasons. 

2115
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:39,900
We're just some reason, so they 
prop. 

2116
01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:42,300
I'm guessing is that given us 
over there together? 

2117
01:59:42,300 --> 01:59:45,200
Yeah. 
Hmm, wonder if they spoke, I 

2118
01:59:45,200 --> 01:59:47,400
know. 
Wow. 

2119
01:59:47,500 --> 01:59:49,000
And that's it. 
That's it. 

2120
01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:51,900
That is Zac Efron, Vanessa, 
Hudgens. 

2121
01:59:54,800 --> 01:59:59,400
Some do I thinking they'll get 
back together. 

2122
02:00:01,400 --> 02:00:03,700
I couldn't know, I don't gone to
my head. 

2123
02:00:03,700 --> 02:00:06,300
No. 
But I don't think it's like 0%. 

2124
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:10,100
I don't think I think Vanessa 
for no reason at all. 

2125
02:00:10,200 --> 02:00:14,500
Hmm, my perception of this 
couple is that well, let me hear

2126
02:00:14,500 --> 02:00:19,900
yours first before. 
Um, I think he wasn't that into 

2127
02:00:19,900 --> 02:00:21,500
it. 
I mean, I'm sure he enjoyed her 

2128
02:00:21,500 --> 02:00:27,100
company and liked her. 
But she seemed much more 

2129
02:00:27,100 --> 02:00:31,000
involved and very Giddy, and 
excited and cute. 

2130
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:34,100
I mean, I'm sure he did love 
her, but it seems like 

2131
02:00:34,100 --> 02:00:39,300
especially near the end. 
He was A little checked out and 

2132
02:00:39,300 --> 02:00:41,900
I don't know. 
I don't see them getting back 

2133
02:00:41,900 --> 02:00:44,600
together. 
I would put a prioleau like 5% 

2134
02:00:44,600 --> 02:00:47,600
or something. 
Well, here's what I think. 

2135
02:00:47,600 --> 02:00:50,400
I think that that is what it was
at the time. 

2136
02:00:50,400 --> 02:00:53,500
I now think Vanessa is 
completely over that 

2137
02:00:53,500 --> 02:00:58,000
relationship and like she had 
awesome Butler for 89 years. 

2138
02:00:58,000 --> 02:00:59,900
Yeah. 
It's a long time and now she's 

2139
02:00:59,900 --> 02:01:02,300
been dating. 
This guy Cole Tucker for two 

2140
02:01:02,300 --> 02:01:05,600
years. 
I think she's like she's on to 

2141
02:01:05,600 --> 02:01:08,900
the next person. 
Mmm, but I think years later 

2142
02:01:09,600 --> 02:01:12,800
Zach hasn't really. 
He has dated other people that's

2143
02:01:12,800 --> 02:01:16,500
like ask who just like random 
like models and stuff. 

2144
02:01:16,500 --> 02:01:18,800
Hey do you like Billy Collins 
for a little bit? 

2145
02:01:18,800 --> 02:01:23,800
But he hasn't had as long of a 
relationship since Vanessa and I

2146
02:01:23,800 --> 02:01:26,700
feel like years later especially
with everything he's gone 

2147
02:01:26,700 --> 02:01:29,200
through and stuff, I don't know.
I'm just saying that. 

2148
02:01:29,600 --> 02:01:32,900
I feel like he might realize 
like wow. 

2149
02:01:32,900 --> 02:01:35,200
Vanessa was like the best I ever
had. 

2150
02:01:35,200 --> 02:01:39,300
Yeah maybe and Like be like I 
wish I could be with her again 

2151
02:01:39,600 --> 02:01:42,300
but she doesn't care anymore, 
like she's completely gone. 

2152
02:01:42,600 --> 02:01:45,400
So what percentage would you 
give them chance of getting back

2153
02:01:45,400 --> 02:01:49,200
together? 
Never Say Never. 

2154
02:01:49,200 --> 02:01:51,600
I think thirty percent Thirty. 
Whoa. 

2155
02:01:51,700 --> 02:01:55,200
Okay 30% I don't think she wants
to though. 

2156
02:01:55,200 --> 02:01:58,600
I think she's too happy over it.
I don't know why. 

2157
02:01:58,600 --> 02:02:01,700
I just picture like if he called
her she'd be like, what the 

2158
02:02:01,700 --> 02:02:02,500
fuck? 
Yeah. 

2159
02:02:02,500 --> 02:02:05,700
That's like wouldn't and I think
so I don't think she wants to 

2160
02:02:05,700 --> 02:02:07,300
but maybe she was single. 
Yeah. 

2161
02:02:07,300 --> 02:02:10,700
Go on a date again maybe, maybe,
hmm. 

2162
02:02:11,000 --> 02:02:13,900
But I think Vanessa's like ride 
or die for like the guys that 

2163
02:02:13,900 --> 02:02:16,500
she's with. 
And yeah, she's very like 

2164
02:02:16,600 --> 02:02:21,800
Monogamous and like long-term 
she is, but like once it's done,

2165
02:02:21,800 --> 02:02:27,900
she'll move on one else. 
She'll move on, man, that's 

2166
02:02:27,900 --> 02:02:29,200
interesting. 
I can't believe the Nikki 

2167
02:02:29,200 --> 02:02:32,300
Blonsky thing. 
I know that was crazy. 

2168
02:02:33,000 --> 02:02:37,400
It's to me from use Zach and 
Ashley kissing those pictures. 

2169
02:02:37,500 --> 02:02:38,600
Yeah. 
Mmm. 

2170
02:02:38,700 --> 02:02:41,900
I don't know. 
Who would you say is like, I 

2171
02:02:41,900 --> 02:02:43,800
know it takes two to tango, 
whatever. 

2172
02:02:43,800 --> 02:02:47,800
But, who would you say is at 
fault for A relationship and 

2173
02:02:48,900 --> 02:02:51,300
Zack. 
You too. 

2174
02:02:51,300 --> 02:02:54,100
I really wanted to guess when, 
in doubt, I blame the guy. 

2175
02:02:55,000 --> 02:02:58,300
Yeah. 
I mean, but then again, Vanessa 

2176
02:02:58,300 --> 02:03:00,600
was dating. 
Josh, Hutcherson very quickly. 

2177
02:03:00,600 --> 02:03:03,100
After it was something happening
on set. 

2178
02:03:03,200 --> 02:03:06,600
I don't know. 
Why don't see them together at 

2179
02:03:06,600 --> 02:03:08,300
all. 
I got a can't wrap my brain 

2180
02:03:08,300 --> 02:03:09,700
around. 
This wasn't you like much older 

2181
02:03:09,700 --> 02:03:12,900
than him, too, or am I wrong? 
I think she might be two years 

2182
02:03:12,900 --> 02:03:14,700
over 20 years older. 
Okay. 

2183
02:03:15,300 --> 02:03:17,300
Here's some photos of them 
together. 

2184
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:23,300
All right, he's so cute. 
I love pita. 

2185
02:03:27,200 --> 02:03:29,300
I'm gonna cry this. 
Looking at him. 

2186
02:03:32,100 --> 02:03:36,500
I feel warm for the baby. 
I love Catching Fire. 

2187
02:03:38,500 --> 02:03:40,900
Oh, here's some. 
Like I feel like years later. 

2188
02:03:41,200 --> 02:03:44,600
Friendly exes. 
Okay, they're cute. 

2189
02:03:44,700 --> 02:03:47,400
Mmm, they're like the same 
thing. 

2190
02:03:47,400 --> 02:03:52,800
Hi, I love it. 
Yeah, I don't know why I don't 

2191
02:03:52,800 --> 02:03:54,700
want Vanessa to get back with 
Zach. 

2192
02:03:54,700 --> 02:03:56,900
Can you seems like a done to me?
I know. 

2193
02:03:57,200 --> 02:04:00,200
I agree. 
Like I want someone who like 

2194
02:04:00,200 --> 02:04:04,100
really lose her. 
Oh here's Vanessa. 

2195
02:04:04,100 --> 02:04:08,200
Josh and Ashley, he'll actually 
stay away. 

2196
02:04:08,300 --> 02:04:14,800
Get out. 
I mean, maybe Ashley is just 

2197
02:04:14,800 --> 02:04:21,200
like so Anon threat from Vanessa
that like she be isn't doesn't 

2198
02:04:21,200 --> 02:04:23,900
even care about really getting 
cozy. 

2199
02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:26,800
Oh, here's Vanessa. 
And Josh together at Coachella. 

2200
02:04:27,300 --> 02:04:32,100
Cute. 
We should do something sometime.

2201
02:04:32,100 --> 02:04:34,900
Yeah, yeah. 
I would be interested. 

2202
02:04:35,200 --> 02:04:39,200
I feel like Zach for a while. 
Wasn't it in that many pictures 

2203
02:04:39,200 --> 02:04:40,700
or at least nothing that high 
profile. 

2204
02:04:40,700 --> 02:04:46,000
But like, recently he's had more
things think so more acting. 

2205
02:04:46,200 --> 02:04:49,200
I don't know. 
He had that like number, his 

2206
02:04:49,200 --> 02:04:51,800
face looked different. 
Yeah. 

2207
02:04:52,400 --> 02:04:54,900
Like it looked like he had 
plastic surgery, people were 

2208
02:04:54,900 --> 02:04:57,800
making fun of him. 
Why the hell would he do that? 

2209
02:04:57,800 --> 02:05:01,600
No, the actually articles. 
Came out like yesterday about 

2210
02:05:01,600 --> 02:05:04,900
why his face looked like that. 
Think he might have had an 

2211
02:05:04,900 --> 02:05:08,600
injury or something. 
I don't know if I buy that. 

2212
02:05:08,700 --> 02:05:11,600
Yeah I don't injury. 
There was like more articles as 

2213
02:05:11,600 --> 02:05:14,600
of recently of yesterday about 
like more about his like 

2214
02:05:14,600 --> 02:05:18,800
struggles with like drugs and 
depression. 

2215
02:05:18,800 --> 02:05:22,900
I think he had a severe 
depression from having to get 

2216
02:05:22,900 --> 02:05:26,700
his body to look the way it did 
in Baywatch, like really fucked 

2217
02:05:26,700 --> 02:05:29,600
him up or something. 
I think he really He's been 

2218
02:05:29,600 --> 02:05:34,100
through it, which is why I think
that like, I don't know. 

2219
02:05:34,200 --> 02:05:39,000
Part of him could be like, wow, 
Vanessa likeness that time 

2220
02:05:39,000 --> 02:05:40,700
period, you know, I could just 
pick. 

2221
02:05:40,700 --> 02:05:43,500
Yeah, I know. 
But I think she's completely 

2222
02:05:43,500 --> 02:05:45,200
moved on and doesn't want him 
back. 

2223
02:05:45,800 --> 02:05:49,000
Well, Zac Efron needs to know, I
don't know what his deal is, but

2224
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:53,600
he's still very good-looking and
that just upsets me if he 

2225
02:05:53,600 --> 02:05:56,900
struggles with like looks, it's 
just absurd. 

2226
02:05:57,100 --> 02:06:00,600
I know, I know. 
No, he really? 

2227
02:06:00,600 --> 02:06:03,700
Like I have said on the Twilight
podcast, when I first read 

2228
02:06:03,700 --> 02:06:06,200
Twilight, I pictured Edward 
Cullen as dr. 

2229
02:06:06,200 --> 02:06:09,500
Frog, because in my head he was 
the best-looking person that 

2230
02:06:09,500 --> 02:06:12,200
ever existed. 
So. 

2231
02:06:14,300 --> 02:06:17,000
Wow. 
Well, this was really fun. 

2232
02:06:17,100 --> 02:06:20,100
Hmm, it's a trip down memory 
lane. 

2233
02:06:20,500 --> 02:06:25,500
Yeah. 
And a lot II didn't really know.

2234
02:06:25,500 --> 02:06:29,200
Their relationship was like is 
long and involved as it. 

2235
02:06:29,600 --> 02:06:30,700
Mmm. 
Yeah. 

2236
02:06:30,800 --> 02:06:32,800
Five years is a really long 
time. 

2237
02:06:33,600 --> 02:06:36,200
That's another reason why I 
don't think they could be PR. 

2238
02:06:36,200 --> 02:06:39,100
Like I also don't think someone 
with fake something for that 

2239
02:06:39,100 --> 02:06:39,800
long. 
Yeah. 

2240
02:06:39,900 --> 02:06:42,600
They broke up long. 
After the final movie came out, 

2241
02:06:42,600 --> 02:06:43,800
true. 
I don't know. 

2242
02:06:44,200 --> 02:06:47,700
Like, I don't think. 
What would Disney even have to 

2243
02:06:47,700 --> 02:06:51,000
do it that anymore? 
Yeah, they were out of contracts

2244
02:06:51,000 --> 02:06:52,500
with Disney. 
Mmm. 

2245
02:06:54,700 --> 02:06:59,200
That's being a Disney. 
Our next bonus episode on the 

2246
02:06:59,200 --> 02:07:01,500
Patreon which probably should be
a mean episode. 

2247
02:07:01,500 --> 02:07:07,000
I'm sorry I realized it's a lot 
more involved than and longer 

2248
02:07:07,000 --> 02:07:10,900
than I expected but it's also 
another Disney couple. 

2249
02:07:10,900 --> 02:07:16,100
Wow do you do that on purpose? 
I didn't know but back to bad 

2250
02:07:16,100 --> 02:07:19,500
another Disney kind of cool I'm 
excited. 

2251
02:07:21,900 --> 02:07:25,300
Wow yeah well thanks guys for 
listening. 

2252
02:07:25,300 --> 02:07:28,700
Thank you can see pictures of 
all the couples we talked about 

2253
02:07:28,700 --> 02:07:33,200
on our Them black and white 
people, couple pictures and it's

2254
02:07:33,200 --> 02:07:37,700
just a significant lovers is the
username and you can email us. 

2255
02:07:37,700 --> 02:07:40,900
Significant lovers at gmail.com.
Yep. 

2256
02:07:41,000 --> 02:07:45,900
Do you have any couple ideas or 
comments? 

2257
02:07:46,700 --> 02:07:48,300
Yeah. 
And if there's any couple you 

2258
02:07:48,300 --> 02:07:51,700
really want us to cover in the 
future, please feel free. 

2259
02:07:51,700 --> 02:07:54,100
If you want, send us a voice 
memo that we could hopefully 

2260
02:07:54,100 --> 02:07:56,700
include in that episode when we 
cover them. 

2261
02:07:56,900 --> 02:08:00,600
Yeah. 
I'm sad and this, I really do. 

2262
02:08:01,500 --> 02:08:05,100
Thanks Mel, of course. 
Thanks, Kelly listening. 

2263
02:08:05,800 --> 02:08:08,100
See you guys next week. 
Bye.