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Yeah, but yeah. So today's episode, we're going
back to the mid 2000s. Mid 2000's, we're covering.
What was the it couple of a certain era yet, especially if
you were in like fourth to seventh grade or something?
Around this time it's Vanessa is a NASA Zac Efron and Vanessa
Hudgens. Wow.
Yeah, I can really remember like Tiger Beat magazine 18 people,
what are the other ones, Bop Bop Magazine?
Said they were always on the cover?
Yeah. All the time.
You really were like an a couple.
Yeah. Prom king and queen that I
almost like to, I haven't like followed them.
I didn't. I only read like those teen
magazines that I feel like we're mostly fake.
I could be wrong. But no, like the Articles were
kind of silly. Um, so I really don't know
anything like real about them. Yeah.
I mean, yeah. Honestly doing the research for
this one. It was a tough because I still
in a way. Feel like I don't really know
what was going on. Well, that's sometimes most fun.
Episode is trying to figure it out.
Yeah. The dynamic, like, they were
very PDA at a certain point. Like there's, there's no
shortage of pictures of them available and so there's a lot
of things. Like, I can't even really cover,
because there's just like too much to say, but I do know.
It's interesting. Like, they're huge and Vanessa
like she then went on, to have another huge high-profile
relationship. I think with love.
Relationship. Yeah.
Awesome Butler. Which I think in a way is like
more popular known like, after the fact.
Yeah, after we broke up that Vanessa Hudgens.
Yeah, she's good at bouncing back.
So, I have to ask the question. If you had to describe this
couple in three words, what would they be?
That's actually a really tough. I would say attractive.
Yeah, that's true. True attractive young.
Uh-huh. And nonchalant.
Don't you want? Okay, interesting.
I don't think we've had those words yet.
No. I don't think so either.
And they were very, very young at the time, but just to give
you some backstory so obviously we know Zac Efron, right?
He is a California boy. Born in.
Saint. Louis people.
Oh, I went there really is a bespoke.
Yeah, that governs Hometown. Wow, cool.
Didn't see him there. Oh no.
Oh yeah. Halfway between the Bay Area in
Southern California. Yep.
He had just a normal childhood growing up in a Jewish.
Middle-class families Jewish. Yeah, I did not know.
I know I well I don't know if I always knew it but I've
definitely no one else it didn't know.
His dad is named David. He's an electrical engineer for
a power plant, and his mom is an administrator was an
administrator at that power plant where my husband worked
and he has a brother Dylan who is four years younger than him
and as of recently like I think as recently as this year he has
a new sister named Olivia that he posted about online.
How is it possible? It's a baby, I don't know.
Some people. He's done with of like had a
baby with someone else. What is parents must have gotten
divorced. Oh okay, but you grew up with
two parents who were married so I don't know when that happened.
That's okay. The Press didn't report on it.
I God, but age gap between the siblings.
Seriously, like 30-something years you're in a completely
different generation. Yeah, that's, I mean, he's in
one you'll this baby is like, what the neck.
The, I don't even know what would be after gen Z Gentile.
Ava, there's always starting 08, his parents actually, did they
got divorce officially in 2015. So what is that kind now Port
that he's, you know, he's had it rough actually, a lot of people
don't know that Begley heard that before.
Hmm, but we don't really know that yet.
So Zach growing up, he took piano lessons as a kid.
And at 11 years old, his piano teacher, encouraged him to do
theater at Pacific. Servitor e of the Performing
Arts due to his singing abilities.
It's always a happens with these child stars.
Like someone's like you gotta sign up for something.
Yeah. And so then he landed a small
role in the production jib sheet Gypsy, which inspired him to
pursue acting further and he acted in other musicals and that
led him to getting an agent. And Before High School, Musical
Zack had minor appearing roles in TV shows such as ER, CSI,
Miami is biggest Roll Before High School.
Musical was a recurring cast member on the TV show
Summerland, which started? Yeah, like Lori Loughlin yeah.
Jesse. McCartney Kay, Panabaker would,
if that's how I like randomly got into.
I know I'm just mentioning some real and it seems like going to
it. So like that like kind of like
halster like you thousands like Vibe yeah and that one's act
like really is good at yeah. Here's a California boy.
He's throwing through it on the o.c.
I know maybe he was with her two young.
Yeah. He's very California and Vanessa
like she seems pretty New York like she's actually but she's
not, she's also from California but she's like very musical
theater. Mmm, big and musical theater.
Obviously Zach is to really know that.
Yeah, like that's like really her passion.
She's like a theater kid. Yeah, theater kit.
Wow. Yeah.
Like more so than film I would say hmmm She's a little.
Rachel Berry just kidding that. She's I think Vanessa is very
adorable. Like yeah, I do to everything I
watch. Like she's the most adorable.
Like contagious energy and yeah, smile.
She just seems very lovely even when she had that video about
Goldman, but people freaked out about there is something a
little interior I know. Shouldn't be saying it was bad
like it was kind of cute. It was like way in the
beginning. Yeah.
I don't know. Like it rise home.
Yeah, sure. Some people like felt this that
way like way later. That's true.
But she had her like hair. Very curly Shepherd.
Pretty people have gone over that me too.
I think it's hard, not to like, Vanessa Hudgens, like, what's
wrong with her, you know. I'm excited to hear more.
Yeah, so she was born in Salinas California.
Her family moved around a lot. They like never really stayed in
one place. I think I mostly lived in San
Francisco, San Diego, but I'm not sure her father was named
Gregory. He was a firefighter.
He sadly passed away in 2016 and people might remember that.
He passed away the day Tuesday and grease live.
Do you remember? Yeah, she performed literally
the After he died, that's so sad.
I know if she did, it's so strong.
And then, yeah, she did an amazing job.
Wow. She's like such a professional.
Like, I Can Tell She's like really like into her work and
strong person. Hmm.
And I listened to her on this podcast.
Has nothing to do with this, but I was called on purpose and she
just like talked a lot about like meditation and mindfulness.
And I just I adore her If you're listening Vanessa, you're very
lovable her mom. The same Tina.
She had many jobs throughout Vanessa's childhood, she
immigrated to the United States from Manila Philippines, I don't
know when I think as an adult I think.
But she mostly was just like, you know, supportive of Vanessa.
And Vanessa's sister. Stella.
Who is seven years younger than Vanessa?
I remember still of onions. Yeah, she looks a lot like the
nice. A so yeah, it was active in us
are both oldest children. Really have that in common.
They do well. Actually, I was gonna say
actually no Zack. Now is a baby sister, but it
still makes him the oldest. So I guess both sets of
Vanessa's, Grandparents were musicians and that inspired her
to sing a lot growing up. And she did musical theater from
a very early age and starred in Productions.
Like The Wizard of Oz Cinderella the music man.
And from there, her parents would drive her three hours to
La for our auditions for things. And after she started to see
some success with getting commercials and stuff, she the
family moved to LA. Wow.
And likes actually had a lot of like just reappearing rolls on
like Network TV shows and stuff, but then, her first big break
was in 2003 at age 13. She was cast by Catherine,
hardwicke, for the film 13. What?
We did not know that. Yeah, she's like, one of the,
just like the friends. Oh my gosh, I need to re-watch
this movie. Hmm.
She's very young and I she's 13 obviously.
Yeah, yeah, that's so cool. And then she also had a
supporting role in the 2004, sci-fi film Thunderbirds, which
didn't really perform that well but her height okay well then
let her be homeschooled or High School wouldn't let her film
that so then she was home-schooled I started.
So yeah that takes us to 2005 High School Musical, 2005.
Five that came out in the summer, right?
The second one did. Oh okay.
The first one came out in the winter.
Actually, I remember watching it.
My friend Katie's house shout-out.
Yeah, I remember High School. Musical 2, like counting down.
Yeah. For the day but there is on TV.
Right? Yeah.
Funny I know seriously wasn't there a third one?
Yes, that was in theaters. I don't know if I saw that.
I think I saw with you. Well, what?
Happens in it. It's called a high school senior
year and okay. All right.
Vanessa gets accepted to a school.
Okay, this always happens Amber. So she might leave school early.
Oh my God. I need to re-watch this movies
that gets into Juilliard or not. Dr. Troy.
Yeah, Troy what? Wow, Gabriella.
Why is Julliard in so many movies?
I know would I need to really get into Juilliard?
He's a living in like to Shadow. I think of Juilliard is like
Prodigy pianists and like ballerinas and stuff.
I know he's been into musicals wasn't even that good.
I know. And how are his grave?
That's a good point, how is good?
And now I want to re-watch them, you know, I could see Gabriella,
getting into Juilliard. She was yeah, it was really,
really good at school, on top of Everything but M into science,
right? She was into math, oh, probably
science to if you listen to our Charles and Camilla episode, you
would know that I do not share that trait with Gabriella.
And yeah, my I know math is hard.
Yes, she's a freaky math, girl member, she calls herself that
it get, they can hear that. You honestly can't call yourself
that when you're like very beautiful freaky girl.
One nerd. I know.
Okay, so High School Musical. So, a little back story on High
School Musical. Hmm.
So, Disney Channel saw a lot of success with their musical
episodes of The Even Stevens. Interesting.
Remember like we went to the moon in 1969.
No, no, no. You don't remember that.
Run sings it. No.
Okay. I don't think I really watched
Even Stevens that much. Yeah.
Yeah, it was yeah it was like mostly reruns and stuff.
We were growing up and have you like we watch these I remember
the other members on all the time.
You guys know it. We went to the moon in 1969 but
96 not. Everyone's gonna remember this
sir. You know it's hard to do graphic
is older, that's true but most of our demographic is In this
age range, I guess. And then also, that's a raven
had a musical episode 2, but I actually don't remember that
one. Remember any of these?
Yeah, that's it. Those were huge success hits.
So then the Disney Channel, really wanted to invest and
their musical genres. Mmm.
And you know, they have the Cheetah Girls and everything.
I love the Cheetah Girls. So casting.
So at this time Vanessa is 15 years old, Zach is 6.
Years old. So, yeah, I know their baby.
I thought they were like, 18 know, their actual children.
Oh my gosh. And director, Kenny Ortega
revealed to Variety in 2021 that they made the audition process
super hard on possible in order to give them the perception that
this was a real musical, I guess.
So they could really know what it's like on Broadway or
something. Some says, we're an auditions as
if we were doing a Broadway musical, we put the kids through
a really long procedure. OSS agents would call casting
director saying what is going on.
Why are you keeping them so long?
I was set on making these actors.
Making sure these actors had all it would take.
So they really cast the best of the best.
And Zack told Hollywood Reporter in 2014.
My mom dropped me off out of the minivan somewhere in North
Hollywood. I had no idea what to expect.
They're about 40 guys and we walked in and Kenny Ortega was
there with a piano and then put everybody in a room together.
Ran through different phases, of what we would need to do.
First dancing than singing. In a few of us.
Got tapped on the shoulder to leave and I didn't.
And next came the scene scene reading sections, and I got
paired with Vanessa Hudgens for all the partner things made a,
Vanessa always got paired up. I was like, they're not trying.
Also with other people, for some reason we kept sticking around
for callbacks, I don't know what it was with Vanessa but we kind
of clicked from the very beginning.
Wow. I have a question, but I feel
like you're probably going to answer anyway, but if he was
supposedly good at singing and I know he did sing and hairspray
and Yang's, right. Why did they have someone else?
Sing his Parts in High School Musical?
That's a really good question. It's because the music was
already written for someone with a higher focal range and he had
a, what do you call that? He's an also, so they wrote it
for a tenner. So, I didn't fit into the vocal
range and he can sing, right? Yeah, he can't sing.
And he's saying in High School. Musical. 2 and High School
Musical 3. Wow.
That's so interesting. I always back then when I was
like, in fifth grade wherever took that to mean the he wasn't
a good singer. No, I thought so, too.
I remember hearing rumors that his singing voice just wasn't
strong enough. Mmm.
But no, it's just, they had already like arrange the music.
Wow. Someone with the higher voice,
that's the truth. Mmm, sounds that you.
Here, Doc is a good singer. Wow, I think I mean, oh yeah, I
mean he was in musical. Yeah, I have to be a good singer
to be musical. Yeah.
Exactly. And I feel like they wouldn't
have casted someone who just like can't sing it, you know.
Yeah. And he did musicals like in
school, mmm. I'm guessing.
He was the leader. Yeah?
Right. So I don't think you can be the
lead of your bad singing. Yeah, Disney didn't have a lot
of confidence, so I feel like in there singers, like if you go
back and listen, They do this to Vanessa and High School Musical,
and they did it to Hilary Duff in the Lizzie.
Lizzie McGuire Movie. They add like another person
voice. Yeah.
And it's the same noise in High School Musical and in the lives
of McGarvey, it's like some random woman paste.
You can tell is like in her 30s or 40s like maybe it's because
they're really young doing. The voice will sound too babyish
or something. Maybe they did and Metamorphoses
Hilary Duff's. Yeah.
Like you can tell there's somebody else.
Yeah. I do think our voice is a little
too baby. I listened to those songs and
like what the heck is sweet? 16.
Hilary Duff's. I know we will.
I used to love her. Oh my God.
Wanted to her concerts. I think she has the the thing
that Vanessa has was just like this contagious, like lovable
energy. Yeah, maybe that's why they're
on the Disney Channel, maybe. But so also casting director,
Natalie Heart told variety. And 2021 Vanessa was so smitten
with Zac. She said he's too cute, I can't
read with him, she had a meltdown.
I Vanessa all season finale of Vanessa's, kind of said, the
same thing on the awards chatter podcast and 2019.
She said, I think I only got matched up with one other guy
and then I was matched up with Zach for the rest of the time.
And I mean, I was a baby. I was 15 years old and I was
like, oh my God, this guy is so cute, so that definitely helps
the chemistry. I felt like we kind of created a
bond. Right from the start.
We were like, we're doing this us or nothing in this podcast.
Vanessa said that they began dating, pretty much right away,
but I don't believe it. Okay, maybe I did.
But like, why do you think? No, I'll get to it, it seems He
didn't but so that's so they filmed High School Musical in
2005, I would say Summer 2005, in Salt Lake City.
Utah. What?
It wasn't really Albuquerque. No, it wasn't dare.
They, I know they always fool us like that.
So yeah, like their first appearance together is at Ashley
Tisdale's, birthday party, on October 9th, 2005 and West
Hollywood, where a ton of teen tween stars were in attendance.
Like the guy. Oh my God!
Oh my God, he was really cute. And I mean twin stars, it makes
me think that like, it was sponsored or something by Disney
Channel, but yeah, exactly. Vanessa, they take this picture
together as you can see. But I mean they look cute but
they do look cute six million the kind of cozied up, but Who
knows? Like they could just be friends.
Mmm, but they're supposedly dating there.
That's what they have said. So, that is 2006.
High School Musical was released on January 20th and was the
highest rated Disney Channel movie ever to be released.
At that point, it was watched by 7.7 million viewers.
Well, zakah Vanessa did a lot of press together, but they weren't
publicly a couple at the time. There are pictures of them
looking kind of cuddly, but I don't know.
Zach is also very cuddly with Ashley Tisdale to and I almost,
I think I almost think that, like, if they were a fake
couple, which some people do think that they were hmm.
That the people at Disney Channel wanted to, like, test
out exact with Ashley, or is Zach with Vanessa to see, like
which one was more popular trusting.
Because even like, they had that episode of The Suite Life of
Zack & Cody, oh, we rationally in it.
Yeah, or where Zach is on it. Maddie Ashley's character
kisses, Zac Efron was thought about, you know, yeah, that's
interesting, but more on that to come.
So Vanessa at this time in 2006, when High School Musical has
just come out, is interviewed on TRL and is asked, is there any
chemistry off-screen with Zach? And she says, you see it on
screen? And then the interviewer says,
is he your boyfriend and Vanessa quickly says, no.
And then the interviewer says, do you have a boyfriend?
And she says no. Okay, hmm, interesting,
interesting. But then the interviewers starts
asking, like who's your celebrity crush and she says,
Matt Damon Mario Lopez what. I mean it was, you know, 15
years ago. I know, I know, so they're
hotties, you know bag that I'm not again not now but and then
the interviewer goes, your 17. Can't you find someone?
Rage and she goes. Okay, fine Stacks cute.
But then every other girl thinks he's cute too.
Hmm. Just fmm does very tough, it was
really tough. On everybody thinks the person
you're. I remember cute.
Yeah. Or did you say?
I remember we talked about this on our Twilight podcast another
by Twilight and you guys want more Buzz.
Um, we talked about how Zac Efron his hair.
Everybody had it. He does.
Maybe it wasn't just him. I don't know but like it seems
like he inspired a generation. Yeah, to have that hair and then
Robert Pattinson's hair took over.
Then it took over here, but see I don't what I don't understand
is that, when Justin Bieber came on the scene, people acted,
like, I know it was the Bieber know that Franz, I know, is that
kind of hurt? Yeah, that's so true.
People acting like Justin Bieber, came up with it.
Like I think Essence was a little bit more side-swept but
then he switched to the real repentance and he did.
Yeah, he was just coffee. Seeing everybody that doesn't
seem very then like the Macklemore.
Oh yes, what is it? Now I don't really know out and
about here in Brooklyn. I see some different hairs but
I'm not sure. It's like one.
Some people are doing the 90s hair words like kind of part in
the middle. Is it didn't get shot?
That's how John wetton roses other people doing that.
Um, yeah, I would call that like the but it's not like Christian
me, buddy. Yeah, I don't know it.
I don't know what's going on in like middle school, high school.
Yeah, I think that is a going to a high school where everyone's
doing because they're the ones like bone Trends more.
I don't know. Then there's some people in
Brooklyn with like the curly mullet thing going on.
So I don't know. I've seen that.
Yeah, I'm trying to think. I would say it's a little bit
longer. Mmm here right now for.
Yes. Yeah, I was a short hair is kind
of out right now. Yeah.
Which we have I mean, it's not out.
It's just Is not like trendier. Like I don't think you would be
lame or so yeah. Oh no.
Yeah, you're a loser. No, it's just like, what is the
hairdo of right now? I don't know.
Yeah. Have to really think on never
know when you're in a, that's true.
I know, I remember literally, like this time period.
I thought there was no fashion. I remember thinking that was,
like, there's no style. Oh, I know.
Like there's just nothing. We just In clothing.
That's what I thought. Yeah, in the 2000.
Yeah, I mean. Yeah.
Me too. I was like we're just normal
now. Yes.
Wear shirts and like there's nothing.
There's nothing. Interesting is just plain shirts
and pants and I was like, oh 2000.
I know. So introducing that perspective
to really see it. But okay, here's some evidence
that I'll show you. So this is like, you know, right
After High School, Musical comes out some promo thing that given
us are hugging, but he's also hug.
Doing what the fuck Ashley Tisdale?
Ashley Tis. I think Ashley Tisdale love Zac
Efron over more on that to come like this, okay?
Don't be a theme throughout. She have any interesting
relationships. I don't know.
I don't think so. Okay Harvey.
Here's even more. So, in High School, Musical won
an Emmy and their photos of whole, exact, in Vanessa kissing
the Emmy. Look at his hair, he looks kind
of emo there. I know he had black hair for
Lincoln hairspray at that time, but seems look at this picture
where exact and then I started thinking saying, and Ashley is
just like behind them. Hey cream.
Yeah, interesting. Interesting, a she's never far
away. I need to re watch these movies.
You do. I was watching Clips online, so
fall of 2006 September High School.
Musical is finally premiering in the UK for the first time and an
article for the Digital Spy comes out, interviewing the High
School Musical cast in asks these questions.
So, the interviewer says, just moving away from High School
Musical for a second bit of personal question, but are any
of you in relationships at the moment and all three of like the
main guys from High School, Musical said, No, at the same
time and then, Lucas Gabriel who played Ryan has good.
Musical said, we're so busy with all this stuff and running
around trying to keep a career together.
Well, not keep a career together, start a career,
basically, it's a really, it's really tough to devote even more
time to somebody else. And I wouldn't want to do that
to anybody in Corbin. Bleu said, I agree, I date, but
I don't have a girlfriend. I can't make the time or the
commitment. And then Zach, said to Corbin.
Yeah. You just sleep around.
There's only girls back in his hotel room.
Right now they're like 17 years and then the interviewer says
and Zack, you kept quiet there. I'm surprised that you're not
with anyone at the moment. And Zach says, oh, thank you.
I take that as a compliment. And then Vanessa's, there she
goes, I'm not surprised. And laughs.
And then Zach said, oh, I'd be with two beautiful girls that
I'm sitting with what, what, meaning Vanessa and Ashley is
and then the interviewer said, I was going to say and then that
goes, no, we're all too close of friends.
Ed's. And Ashley says, we're like
brothers and sisters. No, but why is like, he's
saying, we're too close of friends.
You actually are supposedly. Dating Vanessa.
Hmm, that's interesting. And then the interview said, one
big happy family. Did you know, each other before
high school musical at all. And Vanessa goes, yeah.
Me and Ashley are dating and laughs.
And Lucas says, Ashley. And I knew each other, when we
actually, and I knew each other, when we were like four years old
back in New York, We both grew up on the east coast and Ashley
says, I was a link to everybody in Corbin says, I knew pretty
much everyone except for Lucas Ashley says, again, I knew
Corbin when I was younger. I knew exact for three years,
because of a friend who was on Summerland with him.
And I knew Vanessa, me and Vanessa did a commercial
together, another human being who's not here, but she was on
The Suite Life of Zack & Cody on the Disney Channel and that on
the Disney Channel that I'm on. And I just didn't know, Lucas,
which is funny because Lucas literally said he knew Ashley
because when they were four years old.
Yeah, what's up with that? I know, but I just, I know, I
include this, just to say here, I feel like Ashley Tisdale not
that. This is about Ashley, but she's
trying to like prove that like she knows everybody and you
know, she's in yeah, this is like, I don't know just trying
to be a little bit of a know-it-all.
Yeah, I can see that. And a little possessive over
Zach, I think because she knew him first.
What the heck is going on. So, the High School Musical cast
Then goes on tour for High School, Musical the concert?
Oh, I remember that. Yeah, Zach doesn't go on to work
because he is filming hairspray. He also can't sing the song.
Yeah, I've, I've done thought that was because he couldn't
sing. Yeah, I think it's a little bit
about so he's replaced by Drew Seeley.
Who actually sang the songs in High School Musical?
Zack goes to Canada to film hairspray during this timeframe.
September through December and he does a Q&A with Seventeen
magazine. And the interviewer, says
everyone talks about your on-screen chemistry with Vanessa
Hudgens. Do you believe in that kind of
chemistry love at first sight and he goes Sorry because well
love at first sight, I don't know.
But of course, I believe in two people.
Having chemistry right away. I connect with people on a daily
basis. Hmm kind of dismissive.
Yeah. Then the interviewer says oh
it's like he's a fill in the blank so it's our kind of answer
a question but where did in first person?
So if I like a girl, what's the idea of a perfect date?
And he says, honestly, I really don't remember ever being in a
situation where I was like, I like this girl and I need Take
her out on a date and then sitting down and planning.
What to do? It's usually more like we're
talking on the phone and I'm like do you want to hang out?
And then we're just hanging out, I'm not sitting there and
thinking now we're on a date. You know we're just hanging out
very teenage. I know it's really not room.
And yeah and whenever he's asked questions like about dating and
love, I would say, for my perception, I didn't write most
of them down, but I would say he's very dismissive and not a
chivalrous guy like you. You're staying?
Yeah, he is very low-key chill. We're just hanging out, okay?
So December of 2006, six vacuum Vanessa attend.
What appears like a sponsored Billboard Music Awards after
party hosted by K Jewel, Jewel years, where they are
photographed together like holding merchandise enough.
So not like too legit but that in 2007 January the say okay
music video premieres. Which exact plays Vanessa's love
interest in the music video to remember that know, they're like
on swings and stuff. Like he's just in the music
video. Hmm.
And our rep for Vanessa tells AOL music that this was their
official coming out as a couple. Interesting.
During this time to Vanessa is still on tour with the rest of
the High School, Musical cast February zakah.
Vanessa, had back to Utah to start filming High School,
Musical 2. At a golf resort there because
in the oh yeah, second one there like at a country club.
Mmm. And there's a big big pressure
form from Disney for High School, Musical 2 to be the hit
that it was just as big of a hit as the first movie.
Yeah, meanwhile, Zacks career outside of High School.
Musical is really blowing up way more than anybody else's.
And so he's given permission by Disney, to leave the set of High
School, Musical 2, and attend auditions and tell The New York
Times, personally I feel no competition with the cast
because I'm not going for the same things that they are.
A lot of them are doing T, music, things and tours, various
TV deals in other Disney TV movies, and Disney albums.
That's the last thing I want to be doing at the moment, I'm
setting my sights a little bit higher, I don't have an album
coming out that's really big, I know, little higher.
That's the last thing I want to do in all these cheap.
Disney thing I know he's just like it's supposed girlfriend
literally has an album coming out but I'm glad he didn't do
now. Boom means because I don't think
the world needed that the world didn't I?
Okay, I don't know. It must be a thing about being a
kid or being a teenager but the hairspray.
Soundtrack still is stuck in my head all the time.
Like it means out ingrained in me.
I listen to it so much. It's like insane.
I love High School Musical. And we know that is gold
hairspray. I mean, I still get his dog in
my head, literally. The other day, I was walking
home from your place. In my head.
I had the song that's like a big blond and beautiful.
I can hear the bells. I get that one.
Second my hug. I haven't even washed it like
since middle school. We should be the one.
Oh wait wait wait. It's like a credit song, I
think, um, I know we've come so far, I've got so far to go.
I'd answer that in there and my dance recital seaweed.
Hey, mama hey, mama. Look around.
Yeah, every I love Harrisburg, I'm doing the 60s.
Well, uh, of this house since 1951.
Yeah. Okay.
But did exactly have that much of a hit Besides hairspray at
the time, we know he's done more since then.
Well, he's working on other stuff at this time that like
nobody else is really doing like Vanessa actually won't have like
any other major motion film until I think like 2009 but Zach
is like not just hairspray but he's doing auditions and stuff
and he is in 17 again. And oh yeah, just has a lot of
other projects and it seems like he's like very in demand like he
is the it boy. Yes.
Star and not that Vanessa is not, but they're still, like,
doing the Disney stuff and he obviously has potential outside
of that. We know.
Now, what we didn't know then is during this time of High School,
Musical 2 Zach and the rest of the High School Musical cast
starts like really experimenting with the LA party scene and just
partying a lot. And during this time Zach, I
think had a lot of pressure from No, the outside world and all
these possibilities put on him being in this position.
And so later on, like this would kind of be the start of where
like addiction issues. Oh no, I Rise for him, but we
don't know that until many years later.
So, mmm, it does seem like he's like, in the prime of his life
right now. Hmm.
So other things that year in, March, they're photographed
together backstage, at the Kids. Choice Awards.
Just hanging out in April after filming High School Musical 2
zakah. Vanessa.
Go on. A vacation together in Hawaii.
A very luxurious Hotel well and they're photographed splashing
around in the water and kissing just them older.
They they're like 18 my God. I think here's a picture of them
in the water at the Resort's. Yeah.
So this is like kind of obvious. They're getting.
But the pictures are suspiciously too perfect.
Yeah, I know what you mean. So they look like models.
Look at his six-pack there. I know.
It's a beautiful guy. A few weeks later, there was a
rumor that document has had actually broken up, but it
wasn't true and may Vanessa, and the rest of the High School,
Musical cast, go to South America for the international
concert tour. So, they're super busy.
And I want to say that Zach had accompanied Vanessa partially
for this tour, but I don't really have evidence.
But I think on this cup of podcast that I listened to with
Vanessa, she was telling a story about like, being in Brazil with
Zac Efron and I don't know, like when else they would have gone
to Brazil. So I feel like interesting there
with her. Yeah.
Just my little detective work, at least has some point.
Yeah, they're in these all together.
Yeah. Otherwise we don't really know
when that happened. So June Zach, Vanessa go to the
MTV Movie Awards together and in photos, they're pretty close.
These can see, I don't know. It's like the body language.
He's very leaned into her. He is there data clothes and
June 24th. Zach of Vanessa are photographed
wearing matching friendship, bracelets bracelets both on
their herb. Friendship, rings.
I'm sorry both on their right index fingers and adjusting
later. On Zach says in an interview
that they say the Hawaiian word for sweetheart on them and that
Vanessa gave it to him. Gotten in Hawaii, they're big in
those chalk tropical trips. We got a little redundant, they
get rid of time with you have July hairspray premieres and
they each arrived separately to the premiere but our seem to get
there once they are inside and People magazine reports after
the pair held hands as they navigated their way through the
after-party at the Ackerman Union on the UCLA campus.
Which I had been transformed into an ultra-modern blue and
white Lounge. Each hairspray Star had his or
her own table, and Efron's. He and Vanessa were joined by
their fellow High School, Musical Alum, Ashley Tisdale.
Mmm, but Efron bombarded by fans, requesting photos and
Industry types. Eager to take shake.
His hand was far too busy to socialize with his Pals or even
scarf down a cheeseburger and when asked about the attention,
he was getting that night. Zack said, there's a lot of
females out here today. What can I say on and Enjoy
myself. Yeah, I don't know why.
It's just a it's a little thing of mine.
I know other people won't feel this way.
I don't like when people call a bunch of women female, I think
it's like actually offensive. I think people say that if they
do something, a little misogynistic about it, I don't
know why it feels like you're talking about frogs or some.
Yeah, it's like, it's like if you called people Homo sapiens.
Yeah. A bunch of females just sounds
pretty, too. Like not humanizing, no heat.
No hate on Zac Efron. But yeah, because I do feel like
people don't say that like males.
Like there's a lot of males. Yeah.
Bunch of miles outside. Yeah.
I don't like it. It's not like it.
Once again I don't think Zach is romantic like a chivalrous man
would say there's a lot of women here, so that beautiful women.
Yeah, beautiful. Women are a lot of ladies here,
female There's some females here, anyway.
And when Ashley Tisdale has asked about all the attention
that is on. Zack.
She goes, he's hot. I remember when he got the role,
I was like, that's so cool. He reminds me of John Travolta.
Oh my god. Oh yeah.
I just wanted to like he's hot. I don't I don't know if I trust
Ashley but maybe but I say that about your co-star, I know.
But okay, here's the thing. Ashley is like best.
And Vanessa and Vanessa doesn't seem fazed by, like all the
attention that Ashley give Zach. Hmm.
And there's even more like, this is just the tip of the iceberg,
really, okay. But there's something fishy
going on here. I'm just saying maybe Ashley
just has a crass personality or something.
Yeah, it may be just very friendly to but yeah.
And let me just show you a picture of Zach and Vanessa at
the after-party, they look like a couple like, you know, they're
facing each other. Yeah, posing in words.
Yeah unfortunately you guys can't see pictures because this
is a podcast. You can Google it and August
High School Musical 2 comes out. So very busy summer and at the
premiere once again sack of Vanessa pose very much like a
couple. Here's a picture for you.
Oh yeah, he has his arm around her arm like on her lower back
but like all the way around. Hmm.
Very different. Style that they're doing, she's
in like a beautiful ball gown, and he's in like jeans and yeah,
it doesn't seem like they have the same style.
I know, they don't really match, that's okay.
Yeah, Zach is profiled by Rolling Stone.
In an article titled, the new American heartthrob.
And Vanessa is asked about his shirtless cover by Ryan
Seacrest. And she says, I think he looks
hot. The girls like it.
And when asked, if it bothers her, Her.
She says, no. I mean like ice cream along too.
Hmm. And in the article, when asked
about Vanessa. So this is what the article says
Efron hesitates for a moment then decides to answer the weird
thing that no one expected about Vanessa, is that underneath such
a sweet girl? This Gabriella type character is
a very, very sexy woman. Hmm.
I don't think anyone was prepared for that.
He pauses and awkwardly ads as if he said too much.
So that's just Humorous thing, then something odd happens.
Without even being asked about Ashley Tisdale his other co-star
in High School Musical. He begins talking about her.
Since we started High School Musical you watch Ashley grow up
to she's maturing and turning into a very, very pretty girl.
Just funny the way that everything works out what I
found turns red and asked if the silver band on his hand is a
commitment ring. I'm not even going to say who
it's from. He says that's just a ring from
a friend that I got commitments. It is way too weird, a word for
me. Right now, I'm wearing it for a
friend, a female friend. It is a female friend, but I
can't say who because then it would be a chatroom fandemonium
and teen magazine, hysteria. Yeah.
Oh my God. What the heck?
I know, it's just weird. How you brings up Ashley and
he's blushing. Oh, what's going on there?
See again, this is why I think that like the Disney channel is
kind trying trying to tease. Yeah, I remember.
Brothers, time like opening, a Bot Magazine, and sometimes
seeing a Zac Efron and Ashley Tisdale poster, and sometimes
seeing as Zac Efron, and Vanessa Hudgens, put yeah, how do you
think that goes down, like some kind of executive or Kenny
Ortega? All right, now, we're don't know
who the heck like a PR person like says his act.
Like make sure you mention Ashley, maybe who knows that.
But then like what's his incentive?
Even like you know, why would he even do it?
I don't know, I guess the create like if People have to pick a
side, they're like even more into it.
Yeah not gonna buy the magazines are going to get the stuff just
as a teen. I feel like he's young like
maybe he thinks he has to or something.
But like why would he even listen to them?
I know he gonna get paid for something.
I don't know. Yeah.
Like maybe threatening him like the success of the series
depends on this or I don't know. Maybe I mean I didn't imagine
like if you're that young your maybe impressionable just by
what any executives are telling you.
I mean, I don't even know if that's the case.
But just seems like, as I remember there was Ashley fans
and Vanessa, who's he playing into both fandoms?
Same. Hmm, that's so weird.
Hmm. I know why you'd be as Ashley
fan. No funds to Ashley Tisdale.
But yeah, I do when I watch High School Musical at wasn't rooting
for sharp eye and Troy. But yeah.
Okay. So this is big September 3rd.
2007 People magazine publishes an entire cover story like that.
Document us are on the cover of People magazine and the title is
high school sweethearts. And they explain to everybody
what Vanessa is the right hellos and Essa for their millions of
fans. Yes, they've already given them
a couple they've already given the couple a moniker.
The young love between Efron and Hudgens.
Just adds to the generation riveting, appeal of the High
School, Musical movies, the biggest thing to happen to teen
love. Rory since grease - grease is
smoking drinking and teen pregnancy, like Teen, Idols from
a gentler era, Efron and Hodgins get get spotted out, buying
Pinkberry frozen yogurt, not stumbling out of nightclubs.
They hit the gym together and join fellow cast members for
movie nights. So I feel like they're trying to
paint it like, you know, they're together but like there's it's
much more wholesome than. Yeah, I'm seen in the past very
innocent. Mmm.
But is it real? Ali.
I know in the article, it once again I feel like Zack is a
little bit like dismissive of High School Musical.
He says he's quoted in the article saying but for now or
no, the article says. But for now both are focused on
work Hodgins dreams of playing Maria and West Side Story while
Efron could use a break from the chick flick stuff, a fan of
Arnold Schwarzenegger and the Rocky and Bourne movies.
If you like to be in something he'd actually watch, as he told
times of High School, Musical I couldn't get through the first
one. Oh my God.
Mmm, mmm. I know he's like trying to be a
cool guy. And the article is saying Zach.
He was a self-professed nerd, and straight A student and that
Vanessa admits preferring shopping to hitting the books
and that both had their first kiss around fifth grade.
And then there's a whole paragraph about how Zack like
sleeps on a mattress on the floor and like, buys all of his
clothes from Goodwill. And how Vanessa has like
expensive shoes, and like three walk-in closets, like, I feel
like they're really trying to paint this interesting exception
of them. Yeah, razak is like cool
laid-back, like, casual guy and Vanessa is like superficial and
a little bit dumb almost. Yeah.
But I kind of get the funds ekstam.
I know me too. I don't know.
Like, I don't see Zack as a reader actually.
I Vanessa must be like, kind of smart, but anyway, so then,
there's like sources in the article, who knows what this is
like. This could all just be like,
very much like, you know, their publicist feedings but Source
number one, is a hostess at a restaurant that they went to, in
Salt Lake City saying that they were sitting on each other's
laps and holding hands at the restaurant.
Mmm Source. Number two, is someone on the
production of the movie, High School Musical.
Who said if you didn't know that they were Dating.
You wouldn't know, they were dating.
They're really good at not being obvious Source.
Number three is actually Monique Coleman.
Yes. Two people fell in love.
Who cares. We're good.
Friends, who cares and Source number four, is someone also
working on High School Musical explaining why their
relationship has been kept a secret up until now like the
keep denying. And now you're just like, it's
supposed to believe that they're together.
True. And they said, first of all,
they are so young still. Jurors.
But it's also the classic teen Idol thing.
It kills the fantasy when a teenage girl knows her Idol has
a girlfriend. Ironically the fan seem to be
accepting their relationship. I think because it goes along
with the story line in the movie.
Hmm. The Source also adds that she's
more intense and he's more laid back and says he's at her whim.
Hmm, interesting. I do think when you're working
together, whether it's movie or even like an office like I don't
know. No, I think you're inclined to,
for some reason. Keep a secret.
I don't know why she's like, oh, especially when you're younger.
Like, what? If it doesn't work out?
Like, I don't know if we want to tell everybody that together, if
it's like, just the beginning, that's true.
I guess, I guess I feel like I'm just suspicious of like, when
they're a say, like straight out to Inayat.
So, yeah, but it was weird. They are young too.
So he probably is not a good idea to like tell the world
you're dating someone when you're like 16.
That's so annoying. I know.
Oh my goodness. So September 15, 2007 and see
Australian premiere of hairspray Vanessa cancels.
An appearance on Jimmy Kimmel Live.
So she can travel to Australia to be with Zach and she posed on
the red carpet with him and then September 6th just three days
after this People magazine article cover story about zakah,
Vanessa, and how they're such this like whole Awesome, couple
of today, teen sweethearts. Just three days later.
Nude photos, leaked of Vanessa, and this was like, this is the
first time it had ever happened to anybody.
Basically, if this is the first time of like the age of like
cell phones and yeah, I don't know.
I think she's the first person to go through this.
Let me god. Her publicist publicist released
a statement that the photos have been taken privately and that it
was unfortunate that the photos had been leaked and Vanessa
released an apology saying, I want to apologize to my fans who
supported Trust mean, the world to me.
I'm embarrassed over the situation and regret having ever
taken these photos. My God.
Mmm. And a lot of people thought that
Vanessa would get dropped from the High School, Musical 3
movie. But Disney said, Vanessa has
apologized for what she was. Obviously a lapse in judgment.
We hope she's learned a very valuable lesson, which is crazy
because now, like, people wouldn't blame the person.
I know also Vanessa, at the time of these photos, like, when they
had Taken. She was like 16 years old so
it's like pretty bad. Yeah well it kind of like not
good I know I should not even say this but what was their ND?
My thing was there any indication?
That's that kind of anything to do with these pictures.
Like know. So the photos are actually been
taken years previous. Oh yeah and supposedly Vanessa
had sent them. To Drake Bell and Josh passed by
God after guest starring. Yeah after guest starring on a
2006 episode of Jake, both of them supposedly but I think
mostly Drake Bell and it's a rumor looks like trick.
I think it's rumored that Drake allegedly.
Leaked the photos. That's the wrong.
And I believe it because Drake Bell, like he's turned out to be
quite the cream. Yeah.
Wait, did she send them to both Drake and Josh?
What sources sources of them to Drake?
And then he sent them to Josh sources.
Say that she sent them to both Drake and Josh.
Very weird. I know, but I think she sent
them to Drake but that's like widely known that does that.
Who's in them to do the people people?
I let's see which one of them. Yeah.
But I think it was like I think she had a thing with Drake Bell.
Mmm. And yeah.
Drake Bell's, like, quite the creep he was arrested for like
child endangerment like not too long ago.
Like does that even mean? I think he was like trying to
get with like a teenager. Oh, and yeah, yikes your later
about this. Vanessa said, I was mortified.
I was terrified, I remember we booked a hotel room at a Hotel.
And then we left the hotel and there was probably 30 Paparazzi,
it's tumbling over each other, trying to get a shot.
I'm with my family, I'm with my six-year-old sister, it was just
one of those times and I was like, I just want to die and I
was so young. It just felt very unfair and I
take full responsibility for all my actions, but it just messed
up how, it's not even your choice anymore.
What people receive of you and your image at the time that had
happened. It was brand-new.
I was like, I don't want to step.
On any toes. I just want peace and love.
I just want to make this go away.
Mmm. Yeah, you don't think the Whole
World's Gonna See. Mmm.
And Zach never comments on, it doesn't ever acknowledge it at
all. Misting by stands by her doesn't
keep saving her stands by his female.
But I do find it. Odd that this came out three
days after that article All is weird.
It makes you almost wonder did their representatives know this
was going to come out. And give this story to People
magazine, to help make their image a little bit more
wholesome or CV before I came out.
I don't know. It's uncanny.
Mmm. Could be onto something.
Well, oh or maybe Drake Bell reads the article.
He's really jealous. He's pissed off.
He's that's could be a fascist end.
Yes. Yeah honestly it kind of seems
like a vindictive ex or something.
Yeah he's at she's so in love with Zach on the cover of People
magazine Yanks the photos could be hmm I just think the timing
is very there's something weird going on anyways.
October Zack, xhosa Australian Kids Choice Awards.
Vanessa is not there, but they're really busy.
Like, that's crazy and November, Zach, and Vanessa are,
photographed. Holding hands in Studio, City.
Hmm. Now we're into 2008 figure for
pop culture, like him out that year, but not important right
now. I'd January on January 1st.
You know, New Year's Day is that given us at our photograph
laughing and leaving a diner. Together January 4th, zakah
Vanessa attend, the Palm Springs Film Festival together and walk
the red carpet and they are pretty heavy on the PDI really?
Yeah, here's a picture. Zach is like Whispering into
Vanessa's ear. You know almost looks like he's
kissing her face. Mmm head, it's pretty cute.
She's so cute. No, she looks very happy.
January 15th. And Zack is filming 17 again.
And he's rushed to the hospital because he has appendicitis,
mmm. And there were reports of
Vanessa, was, by his bedside during this, but, I don't know
evidence, but I don't know. And then in February there, long
distance because Vanessa is filming.
Bandslam, is her first feature film since high school musical?
Filming that in Austin, Texas while Zack is still in ela
filming 17 again. And then in April, they begin
rehearsals for High School. Musical 2 and then start filming
that in may wait, three or two, I'm sorry 30k, High School,
Musical 3, and Zack, and Vanessa.
While in Utah, they attend an NBA playoffs game between the
Utah Jazz and the LA Lakers with Vanessa or Ashley Tisdale, but
their photograph sitting Courtside, and just like
cuddling and looking cute. It and some photos.
They are Cuddling like she's resting her head on his shoulder
kissing. Oh my goodness, Courtside.
Like they literally kissing. Mmm, June, Vanessa is
interviewed for Cosmo girl, and the reporter writes about Zach
entering the room during the interview and rights.
When Vanessa sees actually runs over and they kiss oblivious to
the dozens of us and the rim, she rubs his stomach.
He puts his arm around her these gestures.
Say more than any It meant she could make em en.
I says also asked to give relationship advice and says if
you really love someone you shouldn't have to work at it.
You finish each other's sentences and have the same
sense of humor. You have to think it through not
just do something spur of the moment so that after it happens.
You won't regret it. I think girls can be infatuated
with their boyfriends and they have to remember to put
themselves first, This week and they go to the MTV Movie Awards.
Also together July once again they're on another tropical
trip. They go to Turks and Caicos and
I've heard a graft making out on the beach and he was some
pictures. Oh wow, she's straddling him.
Hmm my goodness. She's a really affectionate
cute. He has his hand on her butt.
And he's like, motorboating her boobs.
He's not ocean goodness, let's picture the Ada where they're
walking on the beach and he's like kissing her head.
Doesn't that look too perfect? It does look very perfect.
Something looks big about their National Photo group.
Mmm. If anyone knows anything.
Let us know. I wonder how like the paparazzi
even knew to go to their like Resort Caicos.
Yeah. I don't know.
Maybe they saw them at the airport.
I don't know how it works. I mean.
Do they already have people on the island where they literally
get in a plane fall off a now? Maybe I mean these pictures
probably cause a lot of money true and their ass about this
later and interviews and they're like we didn't even see them
there. It's so creepy.
Whatever they say laser beam goes with the job.
I know, Charles said he was like, there could be a
photographer, a mile away with a camera and they'll catch you.
It's probably an exaggeration but maybe there is a little
truth to it like the kind of huge ones is, that's true.
I don't know. That's true.
All right. And then they tend the Teen
Choice Awards together in August and they seem very in love.
Like here's a picture of a nice is like hugging Zach on the red
carpet. So, I have to honestly, there's
so many PDA pictures, like, I believe they're really dating,
like, I feel like if they weren't dating, it would have
been harder to fake. Yeah, in anticipation of High
School Musical. Actually, Vanessa has going to
go three, Vanessa, Zach and Ashley just, the three of them
do a photo shoot together for Elle Magazine.
Ashley's only in like a couple pictures.
It's most effective Vanessa, but I don't know.
I think it's kind of Weird. Like look at this one.
Like there's one where they're in a car together, like they're
both in love with him. It seems like a ruffle.
Yeah. What the hell?
100% believe they've had a threesome?
No, can assume that this look showed?
This picture makes it seem like, like, if these are characters,
is suppose. It's just a pose, but it makes
it look like they have. My gosh, I don't think they've
had a threesome. Okay.
Well, there's more coming. Hey, you can just assume because
they're in a magazine picture they've had a threesome
together. We said like okay, Vanessa
Ashley you gaze up at him. All right Zach.
Yeah you put your face there like that doesn't mean it 30
thumb. I know.
Okay okay there's more coming though.
Hopefully I'm not like overselling it though but I
remember at the time I didn't find evidence of this now but
actually I remember reading that like people Were upset about
these photos, because they thought they were too sexy for
like the high school news, really tries?
Yeah, just saying fall 2008. The Casco on an international
tour to promote, promote High School, Musical, and Zekrom
Anessa have a lot of PDA moments here is like they're
photographed in Paris. And I suppose just like, leaning
on him at a table on her phone. Just Jared Wright's about them
all the time during this time. On tour.
They're asked about their relationship quite a bit and
they play it pretty core Coy. I have a clip from Zach.
I guess you just don't go down that Heidi and Spencer Pratt
kind of role where your something doing shots on a beach
together and try to do picnics together and obviously, very
important. You not to be in the public eye
and when it comes to your private life, there's a very
obvious trend in this industry and the more public your
personal life becomes the more your professional career.
Issues and I don't want to fall victim to that.
Interesting. Hmm.
Seems to be taking his career quite seriously.
He is. I would say, I like again, I
think there's so much pressure on Zack.
Hmm. I mean, he's a boy, but that's
not sustainable. So, I have just I've said this
to you in real life, many times, I think, but never on the show,
I've just say about like, um, fake relationships are PR
relationships. I do think some probably are,
literally like a contract, you know.
It is like, literally PR, but I do think there's like another
version of quote, fake relationship where it is real,
but like, mmmm, they just feel may be pressured to be together.
Maybe longer than they would have, or not saying it's about
second Vanessa. I agree.
I just think that can be almost thick but not really but like,
you know, they probably do like each other.
I'm not even talk about them specifically, but like, if we
ever talk about couples that, Are they real was a PR.
I think there's like a middle where they are together, but
maybe their reasons for staying together aren't like on the same
as you know, normal people. Yeah, exactly.
I mean, even normal people have like ulterior motives and times
to stay together and then you're like Is that real?
Like if it's, whether it comes down to money or like, yeah,
they're staying together for their children but yeah, that's
really in love anymore. Like, yeah, that is kind of a
fake relationship, I guess. But yeah, it would be Farthest a
fake. So I think that happily even
some people be like, oh, everybody, my family loves him.
Like I have to save time in. Yeah, but you're not, it's not
the same as it was. Well, not even saying this is
true for them. But I mean also I would think
that a lot of couples just take advantage of the relationship
and use it for publicity. It's kind of interesting Zach's
answer because it's like The opposite, it's okay.
If I took advantage of this relationship like it would hurt
my career. Hmm.
And I can see that side of it because like, part of his career
is for people to like, be into him.
Yeah. But seems like he wants to be a
serious actor. Hmm.
He does. And I can sense.
He's like a little frustrated. Yeah, he is.
I don't think he wants to kind of like, I hate to say it.
If it is it kind of like, Robert Pattinson.
And I'm not saying Robert Pattinson.
Doesn't like Twilight. I'm not saying it.
I think Zach more than anybody else in the cast once a distance
themselves from it. So it's kind of tough to be
dating the yeah because co-star from.
It's true. Hmm.
Okay. Here's something interesting,
though. The cast does like one of those
unscripted interviews, you know. And this is just like
unfortunately it's not adios, you guys can't really hear it.
But I'm going to show Callie and then you guys should also look
it up. It's just a little A bit of a
moment between Zack and Ashley that.
Oh, what I thought was weird 1211.
So if you guys want to look it up, it's called the unscripted
with the High School Musical 3 cast.
We're going to describe what happens.
Mmm. Look at this moment, pay
attention to sash lie. Okay, actually, say where are,
you know? Brain is so pay attention to
Zach and Ashley. Okay, I'll be your perfect date.
Just what the heck.
Okay, so you just found this. He started Russia, one of them
like flicks that other's hand and they start fucking each
other in there, like almost Only hands during the interview but
he's also like next to the Nessa.
She start he starts it. He starts.
Yeah, right next to Vanessa and Vanessa is like has her arm kind
of on Zack and Corbin Bleu gets a little flustered by this.
What are you doing? Mmm.
What the heck? That's very weird.
They're almost holding hands. They were based their hands.
We like they're kind of teasing each other back and forth in
their hands like rested on each other.
It's very flirty and What the heck?
Like can you imagine Charlie your boyfriend and now with
another girl right in front of, you know, playing with her
hands. I would lose it.
I know they're friends, but I don't know.
The Vanessa seems unfazed by it. Okay, Todd, I think it's odd,
okay? That's member it's unscripted at
12. 11, if you want to look it up, anyways, it's October.
Now she does in a sack of Vanessa, go on another tropical
trip. So runs manager is getting
married in Hawaii, and they're photographed walking on the
beach. Are there another perfect
picture? Oh wow, hand in hand.
They're also kissing at times in Hawaii like this.
Does I have to say look like because the background is like
Boca. It's like it's some out of
focus. It looks so perfect.
Yeah, it looks like a movie poster.
Yeah, this looks like the last song.
Yeah. If I didn't know any of other.
Oh my goodness. And it looks like he's flexing.
It doesn't look too good night, maybe it's just an amazing
photographer, but I know props up inside of her.
Look at that. Those pants are so low.
Yeah, almost see his feet. Yeah, he is a good-looking guy,
and also, Vanessa throws back a surprise 21st birthday party.
And after Words, they've seen going to Hotel together at like
midnight. Whoa.
Hmm. So November.
They're still doing High School Musical 3.
Press, I have more pictures. Okay, here's a picture once
again, of Zack and Vanessa. And Ashley interests.
Both. Ashley and Vanessa, have their
hands resting on both of Zach's thighs.
What the hell is going on? See the three song?
Comment now, Yeah, I guess so. I mean that's a little close.
It's weird. This guy's too much power.
I know. I mean and keep in mind Ashley
Vanessa claimed to be best friends and they do seemed
legitimately close. Okay me so something's going on?
Yeah like I would think if I was Vanessa and Ashley was this
close with my boyfriend? I wouldn't be super jealous.
Yeah. Why doesn't she seem jealous?
You know because they're all fooling With each other, her
eyes. Do look less happy than
Ashley's. I think so too.
Ashley looks a little bit like yeah.
Like this is my man. Kinda you can find this on so it
looks like she's just trying to get through it.
Yeah, Steely model. Look, I mean, we don't know at
the moment I'm gonna sit over analyzing a picture, it's a
moment in time, but a Picture Tells a thousand words.
Wow. Kenny Ortega looks pretty close,
Ashley. In this picture of freaking fuck
is going on here. Take out the director, right?
Crew. Yeah, yes.
Is arms on. Chaste basically, yeah, wrapped
around her, like they're going to prom but they've been dating
for five years. You It sounds kind of weird with
this cast. It was he with the two of them?
I know my movies. Does.
Ashley's character Sharpay? Does she like she'd going like
Troy? Yeah.
She's trying to get with Troy the whole time be.
That's why they're always paired three of them.
Yeah, could be. It could be Ashley.
It was probably the other Star, right?
Like Moon highest. The biggest star.
After the two of them. Yeah, I just don't necessarily
trust Ashley, like even recently.
Awesome Butler did a interview and, you know, him and Vanessa
broken up after like, nine years and he was asked, like, who
always makes him laugh and he goes, uh, I gotta say, like, in
his like, now, Elvis accent. I got also Ashley Tisdale, she
always makes me laugh. She's so refined, unlike your
ex's best friend. So Random I know and there's
supposedly still like really close what?
I don't know, like say I can see being friends with them, but
like, yeah, he's a girl code there, you know, there is is
crossing the line. It's just a little too cozy.
It's a little too cozy for Comfort, December, Zach, and
Vanessa are sitting courtside at a Lakers game yet again.
I feel like that's the thing like courtside at a basketball
game. Game or tropical tropical troll
but see, it's pretty cute. He's like Whispering into her
ear again. Yeah, he does that a lot, like,
that's his thing smiling. Just put his face in her hair.
Yeah, yeah. He likes her shampoo.
Maybe he's shy when there's a camera, that's what he does.
Yeah, that's cute, really hides in her hair.
Also that month a fan poses for pictures with them inside of a A
sex shop. What comes of this show?
Oh my okay. They must really be together if
they were there together. I know.
Like I doubt Disney told them to do that.
No, that's doesn't seem like it. The adult section is very fine.
Oh my God. He has a beanie on.
He is very cute. He is Charlie, hope you're not
listening. I mean it's just it's just a
fact, it's a fact. Okay.
So now 2009 they're still promoting High School Musical 3
and there's many PDA pictures of them on the tour.
Too many to even talk about at this point.
Did the movie come out? Yeah, I came out months ago but
you know, it's a big movie. This in like we said I was going
to go through was in theaters. The other two were Disney
Channel movies. There are rumors.
Reported by the Boston Herald, in Seventeen, magazine, and
other sources. That Zack had proposed Vanessa,
while in Japan interesting, because her mother had
disapproved of them living together if they weren't
married. But that's not true.
I don't even think they are living together and they're both
really young. Zach is 20 and she's 18.
I thought he had his 21st birthday.
Oh wait you're right. But still very young, he's 21.
I think she's actually I'm 19. Wow.
Some celebrities to do that though.
Hmm that's true. There are actually actually you
did that on the other podcast one time with the word actually.
Yeah actually actually that word makes me British.
There asked a couple times about like if they would get engaged
on the present or and they both say like no, like good.
That keeps saying like I'm not even Thinking about that not
till I'm like well into my 30s. So yeah, which I don't know if
like, that's like something you want to say.
Yeah. Dating someone for years.
Yeah, I'm not even. Yeah.
It's like that's not even close to a thought.
What does she say? Kind of the same thing?
Like oh, I'm gone. Yeah, it's not in my mind.
Hmm, journalists are so crazy. Oh, I know it's very invasive,
like You're not supposed as that February, they go to the Golden
Globes and Oscars together and walk the red carpet.
And at the Oscars, you might remember Hugh Jackman hosted and
there was a musical number about how I love this.
I loved that year, it's about good.
Other musicals are back and there's like an over-the-top
musical performance. Yeah, with him and Beyonce, Zach
in Vanessa, and Amanda Seyfried and Dominic Cooper.
Mmm, it's really good. To find it anywhere a great year
and yeah, really good year it. So obviously you can say he
peered at the Oscars. Yeah, yeah.
In March Annie, Leibovitz, takes portraits of celebrities
recreating classic Disney movies for some type of Disney
advertising, cool. Yeah.
And I remember like Swift, she was like Rapunzel Zach and
Vanessa are posed as Sleeping Beauty.
I want to see. It's really cute.
Sorry guys who's like a ambulance that is beautiful.
Isn't it? Goodness.
Wow. They're so to describe, I don't
know. She's a very fairy tale picture.
They're lying down so romantic is flowers and everything.
Like medieval type of clothing. Hmm that's beautiful.
Yeah I feel like this is I think I ever saw those pictures.
Yeah. Like this is Taylor Swift.
Wow he did. Peter Pan.
One Zach is doing press for Seventeen magazine imposes
shirtless for interview magazine and they, right of course it's
an interesting time for teen stars.
There are more of them now than there have ever been.
All vying as desperately for money and attention that they as
they are to ward off the ravages of oily skin.
And this are tight job market. There's even work for former
teen stars and long-forgotten ones who are addicted to drugs.
But in 2009, the blind Glitz of Teen Idol Hood.
Can no longer hide what everyone knows there comes a time when
every teen star needs to do something radical in order to
ensure his or her survival to find some way of making a
breakout of corner of the moment to take a perimeter shot at
immortality. And yeah I just I like that
quote because I think it adds to like the pressure that Zack and
Vanessa but mostly Zack at this time is under to like distance
himself. Of from this Teen Idol stardom
and do something else with his career.
Yeah, Zack and April of that year, tells Elle Magazine, that
he'll continue to make light-hearted movies that he
enjoys. And that he's happy that the
High School Musical kept the kid inside me alive, but says that
he could never relate to other kids and he doesn't understand
why High School. Musical was the hit that it was
does not like it. I know, I think years later he
softened up by I think they always do that.
You know like Miley did that with Hannah Montana?
Yeah, like a Rebellious stage and in the same interview he's
asked about those photographs in the sex shop and he says, my mom
is like Zach. Why did you buy?
What did you buy in a sex shop? I was like, Mom calm down.
It's not a sex shop, she would not have any of it.
She's like I knew you were being sexual but he understood my
stocking was full of condoms. This Christmas.
What she buys me the economy box.
Like that's weird, I know. After they broke up, Zach
actually dropped a condom on a red carpet for the Laura.
Yeah. Oh my God.
So she's practicing safe sex. That's responsible.
June zakah Vanessa. Attend the MTV Movie Awards
together and Zach. Okay.
I only have this interesting because, you know, Rob and
Kristen were nominated this year as well.
So Zack is nominated for best male performance and wenzhou
He's like, wait, what's didn't Robert Pattinson?
When Robert Pattinson won for best breakthrough, male porn
movies and Vanessa Hudgens is nominated for best breakthrough
performance. But she loses rigged.
I know she loses to Ashley Tisdale.
What? Where is Chris and Stewart, won
best female performance. So there's breakthrough and then
just like regular. Yeah, but why is Vanessa Hudgens
in the Breakthrough? Because it's rigged.
I know. It doesn't make any sense.
And why is Rob in the Breakthrough category?
I know he was in Harry Potter, exactly.
I think it definitely is road. Yeah, they do that.
The Grammys do that to it drives me crazy.
I wasn't people as new artists when they are like their third
album. Yeah, I don't got it.
Yeah, I don't get why. Ashley Tisdale 14?
Popularity contest is, but I do think Twilight.
Really did get like the most potent.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
So Zach in Venice are also nominated for best kiss and I
feel like if it was just a year before they would have one
obviously. Yeah.
But they lost obviously it's a robin missed and sort of
highlight and Zach said I think we were the only boy girl human
on human kiss. That might be a disadvantage but
that's not true. We have other couples are also
Supernatural. Well there was a couple gay
couple and Hello, I don't remember.
It's like movies. I hadn't really heard of before,
but also has a Slumdog Millionaire, kiss was nominated
and that's like human not human, but also that doesn't know what
he's talking, but I was saying to you the other day.
I do think like the rise of Rob and Kristen, as a couple made
the popularity of Zack and Vanessa, like, die down a lot.
They were totally replaced by Rob Stone.
People don't like people. I still cared about Sacrament us
up, but not to the exams extend. And also like the people who
really shipped. Zakah.
Vanessa are like a little bit older now.
So I feel like they want, like something a little bit edgier.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. At least, I did like, I didn't
care at all about second, Vanessa.
Yeah. I didn't really probably sort of
did a little bit and one point, but by then no.
Yeah. After the MTV Movie Awards, they
are photographed, like, holding hands July Paparazzi snapped
photos of them, leaving Panera Bread.
So, yeah, there's thought that was cute.
Cute, very normal. I know, August 2nd.
Vanessa, 10, the Teen Choice Awards, where Dane Cook makes
this joke. Oh, I remember this happening.
Can I just can I just? Can I before it?
Before I do the choice hadees. Could I just say, what everybody
in this room is thinking? But nobody has said there's been
a sahaja means, Girl you got to keep your clothes on bones of
the phone calls. Girl, that's so awkward.
She looked she looked uncomfortable.
What's the SEC? Is Vanessa is like hi.
I know like she's smiling. This is like, you know, two
years later after that whole incident.
And like is everybody really thinking that I don't know?
I don't remember, I don't know. I just thought that was like, I
guess it's the time, but I feel bad, but I know.
And I looked so uncomfortable. Yeah, I haven't him wander like,
did that hurt Vanessa's career at all in these early stages,
maybe because she wasn't really necessarily Landing the rules
the same way. Exact was mmm-hmm Beyond.
If you re was like laughing to yeah, she's laughing her ass
off. Yeah.
What the heck? I wasn't so mad friends.
Laugh at my expense over. Something that was mortifying.
We truly dramatic. Maybe she was like hitting her
arm. Maybe she was trying to like
lighten it up or something to her.
We like it's funny. But like, no, it's not fun.
No, it's yeah, honestly, it's kind of like, like getting your
nudes leaked for the whole world to see in a way, that's like
Basalt. Like, you've got people, that is
know that they did, it was, it was, it was like you said, like
the first time, yeah. Yeah.
And that's yeah you would have been back then.
I swear back then you would have been like she's a slut laughter.
So it was people had to apologize for.
Yeah. I just think it speaks to
Vanessa's strength as a person. Yeah, I'm like really pro bono.
So I didn't expect it right after this award show.
Zach and Vanessa hop on a flight to Vancouver because they're
both filming separate movies. Yeah, she's filming Sucker
Punch, and he's filming Charlie st.
Cloud. Oh, yeah.
And interestingly I think this might be the last time I talked
about Twilight. Zach and Vanessa attend, the
Kings of Leon concert that the Twilight cast attended no way.
I'm so sorry to people who don't care about robins.
Yeah. But this is where like Robin
Kristen's relationship was like, kind of, I remember the picture.
Yeah, I'd like, the Kings of Leon comes.
There was a picture of interesting.
I was laying in the crowd. How'd did they talk to them or
no, I don't think they were seeded with them.
But, well, there's a video of Zach of Vanessa.
Like, you can't really see like dancing together.
Oh, that's cute. Yeah, they're definitely
together. Yeah, 100% is just a shitty
little video. Someone took.
Yeah, in the crowd. I love that song.
Can I tell my toe? Use Somebody song.
I love sex often fired to me, too, that just like brings you
by. I love that era, honestly.
Yeah, it sucks is. I don't even listening is a
little anymore. I wonder what they're doing.
I actually liked one of their songs it came out like last
year. Oh really?
I should just good. Do a deep dive on them.
Listen to their discography October.
They're both filming and Vancouver still Zach, Ness a
good. A hockey and together with Lucas
Gabriel from High School Musical HS mmm-hmm.
So they're all, you know, saying friends.
This is nice. Yeah.
December Zack throws a surprise party for Vanessa's 21st
birthday. Finally 21 with 100 of their
closest friends at the East restaurant and lounge in
Hollywood. Including Selena Gomez, Ashley
Tisdale Corbin Bleu Brittany Snow.
And of course, Just horses. Doc give a heartfelt speech for
Vanessa and rolled out a red velvet cake for her yum.
And here's a picture from the night.
Zack is kissing on the cheek. They are so beautiful.
Hmm. Now we're in 2010.
Okay, this is interesting. Not really that can Vanessa
specific but Zacks co-star from Hairspray Nikki Blonsky who
plays Tracy and hairspray. She goes on The Wendy Williams
Show and she's asked by Wendy. If she thinks that Zach and
Vanessa will go the distance. Do you keep in touch with any of
those people? I do?
I do. I keep in touch with all of
them. Actually, Zach is one of my best
friends in the whole world. Okay, let me ask you something.
Okay, let's get serious now. Do you think that he and Vanessa
will go the distance and get married?
Not yet just eventually. No, okay.
Sorry sorry. Love you girl but it ain't
happened. You want the truth?
This is the truth. I'm sorry to hear that too.
Sorry Hollywood. I know I'm real.
Well, I love him real well. I'm the one for Zac Efron.
She's angling. My God.
Is it erupts? I know that crazy.
I don't think she said that because she's trying to say I'm
the girl for him. I do think she was trying to
give it it into a joke me too. I think she knows something
about there. Yeah I think she's being honest.
I wasn't expecting that I love when.
He's not exactly. Okay, let me ask you this you or
did you say you are a good what she said?
I don't know what playback the episode here but um yeah that's
like first of all, kind of Veggie of - long it is is that I
thought was Vanessa, I'd be so upset.
Yeah. Sorry, Hollywood.
I know him real. Well my God.
That's a major hint that there's stuff that we don't know Nikki
Blonsky, hmm. I mean, how would you feel if
like you your if you were dating an actor and his co-star from a
movie said that about I was only relationship so upset I know.
I would be so insulted. Yeah, sorry be love you girl.
But any happening Nikki Blonsky really hasn't had a lot of work
since then I think he'd be because of I know I do think
there were rumors that she was a bully and actually like really
bullied somebody she does seem like a tough girl.
Yeah, I forget who though but I think she was like exposed for
like some bad behavior but I forget what bag she just seems
so funny. I know.
Yeah, I know, like, you do kind of like that realness, but if
you're really sucks friend, you shouldn't be blasting his
relationship like that. Well, I wonder what the reason
is, I know just say, I know him real well.
Like, is he a, you know, Bachelors, he fooling around Was
he complaining about Vanessa? Wow, he might never know, I was
not expecting that. Hmm, so January 2010, as I can,
Vanessa are photographed by Paparazzi on a double date with
Brittany Snow and Ryan rotman that is we should do that.
I don't was getting over Iraq. No, pretty snowy.
Where is she? Um, you know, but they hang out
with this couple a lot. They do a lot of double dates
February. Is that convinced us to go to
Sydney Australia? Do some charity work together?
They're photographed kissing a lot there, February, they attend
a Lakers game in La together. Once again, they're sitting
Courtside just a few feet from Taylor Lautner what loops and my
link is broken. So I don't have a picture for
you but that's okay. You know, I'm cool.
I've seen it before. March more Paparazzi shots of
them. Good just going out to eat.
They also attend the Oscars together once again, I love the
Oscars and you to want to go No, can invite podcaster.
I know, I'll present you. Anyway, April Vanessa and Zach
attend Coachella together and I photographed just looking cute.
Like, on the grass, I don't have a picture.
This is first Coachella, she's like the queen of Coach.
So this is probably where her love story with Coachella
vegans. It's a music festival.
He does back in 2010 but she was just very normal at this
Coachella. She wasn't like doing the whole
like but whole thing she usually does.
Okay, so around this time Vanessa's upcoming film, beastly
is scheduled to premiere on July 30th.
However, Universal Pictures, schedules the film Charlie st.
Cloud Zac Efron's film to come out on the same day.
So bows, Not give NASA, they give interviews and statements
saying that the coincidence is unfortunate because they don't
want their films to be competing against each other at the box
office and then CBS films decides to push back beastly and
they release a statement saying that this would cause a real
Dilemma to both fans of zakah Vanessa.
So they actually push it back almost an entire year.
Wow. Just because they didn't want to
also compete with like summer movie.
Hmm, But, I don't know. I think it's interesting that
like, Vanessa's movie got the kite, you know.
Yeah, wow. Hmm movie.
Yeah, I liked that movie, you know, I saw a beastly and I
didn't see Charlie st. Cloud.
I don't think I did either. So yeah, that's the one that
Drew me and don't have more Twilight Vibes, it does.
Yeah, and make it also wasn't it does her last acting as
pettifer? Yeah, I liked it.
I was like beating the beast but modern.
Right. Kind of yeah yeah in June once
again the at the MTV Movie Awards I used to love watching
MTV to so fun like I never watch it anymore.
Know maybe we should get back into it now.
Did you watch the VMAs? The other day?
I know me. Neither like there is something
to happen though. Oh Taylor Swift announced a new
album Midnight's. How are people watching this?
Just like live on TV? Mmm.
Yeah. Well snow think I'll be able to
do that anymore. I know.
Yeah, a lot of people don't have cable and yeah or like but I
think it's a nice thing actually me too.
I mean I do like a big like award show moment.
I like something that brings the country together.
Hmm or the world together. At the Super Bowl like I like
that. Everyone is like watching
something. We need more of that.
I agree we just have something like once a month.
Yeah. We all just sit down and watch
talking too much to ask for. It's a bond.
Exotic something Dune. Yeah, so they're at this MTV
Movie Awards and there's a kiss cam so they're not nominated for
best kiss, but they're on this kiss cam.
Thank you. I wish you guys could kiss.
Yeah. Because I wish you could see it,
you know, because it is a podcast, we are limited okay.
Also that same month. Oh, Zack is asked about his
relationship and I he is what I think is the most to she and
song I've ever heard. Okay, let's hear it.
Ships, he met actress, Vanessa Hudgens on set during High
School Musical and the two are still together.
So you're dating, a thin woman for years and you're a hot
property. We've got a great thing going
serving me right now, and we're having having a lot of fun, so
it's not over yet, you know, I'm not gonna speak too far down the
road because I don't know what's gonna happen.
But right now, I'm very happy. What the fuck?
It's not over yet. Kind of answers that you've been
dating someone for five years working right now?
Yeah. Yeah, it's working a serving me
right now. Oh my gosh.
Not over yet. I can't promise.
That's exalted it won't and it's serving me, right?
Yeah, it's serving me. Oh Zach.
No, no, no, he's not romantic. He doesn't have a way with words
when it comes to love. So I'll give him the men of the
doll. Like maybe there's something
that like we're not seeing. Yeah.
But II know you're going to show me so much more and maybe he's
like this deep intellectual or whatever.
I recently watched his travel show thing because he didn't
episode Iceland. I'm going to Iceland next week,
oh my God. But anyway in the episode he was
enjoyable but he just seemed a little dumb and he did say a
couple of things that I feel like could have seemed rude.
Not in like an outright way but just like it's like he doesn't
aware of what he's saying. Yeah.
Come off like he wanted some chocolate factory and he's kind
of like shit. Amish or not good?
Yeah. He's funny too but I don't know
something about him also. Just seems so regular.
Yeah, but also little dumb. I feel like he often says the
wrong thing, but he doesn't mean to ya know.
I mean even though he was like shitting on High School Musical
or saying like, Me and the cast aren't competing with each other
because I'm doing a lot better things than they are.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it doesn't mean it with any harm, but it
doesn't sound good. And I think of the chocolate
actually think he did feel a little bags and you bought a
bunch of chocolate I should watch them.
Yeah it's enjoyable. There's a cool.
I'm sure he's a good person got from like no shit.
Yeah. That kind of reminds me of like
in the office There's a clip with Ryan Howard, where he's
like, I'm in love with Kelly Kapoor.
I can't promise if I'll be in love with her tomorrow, I'm not
sure that could change my good today.
I'm in love that. Like you thinks it sounds sweet.
Yeah. She just came off to me, like
someone from your hometown. I can't describe it.
Like, he just seems so normal. Mmm.
Yeah, I could just watch it. Oh, watch also Vanessa she's
interviewed. In July by Glamour magazine
magazine. And she says the following about
sack right off the bat. We had a connection.
I think everybody could see it. When we had our audition, they
paid us together and he was adorable.
I mean he wasn't the guy that he is today.
Like he had a gap in his teeth. He's just grown up.
He doesn't have his Gap anymore. I look at him and I see a man.
I think that we Inspire each other.
I love having someone to grow with.
She's a lot better with her words.
I forgot he had a gap. I know me too.
So in August, once again, jack is interviewed by details
magazine and it's just asked about his long-term relationship
as a heartthrob and like, why he's not dating as many women as
possible while he has. The chance are people asking, I
know really rude and he says, yeah, everyone tells me that, I
think a lot of guys would enjoy that, but I'm not really like
that. Believe me, I racked my brain.
Thinking, why am I not out there playing the field?
One of my buddies was like, you have no idea what's going on
right now. You're peaking on ecstasy and
you're watching TV, but it's not in my heart.
Mmm. So kind of says, the right
thing, but yeah, believe me. I'm wondering the same thing.
That's he should be like, no, I'm in love with someone.
I don't need to go out there and find someone or whatever because
I have someone you know what I mean?
Yeah. Yeah, I don't, I wouldn't feel
secure if I was your girlfriend and you were saying like, I'm
not about it, I'm feeling. What why am I still in this
long-term relationship? When I could have any girl I
want. Why are generalists asking that
too? It's so weird.
I know it's invasive. You're in.
Oh, you're in a long-term relationship.
Why why don't you go hook up with Wonder Girls?
Offensives, have been attached? And who's insanely beautiful?
And, you know, if you're single, they'd be like, are you dating
anybody? Exactly.
We kind of says that.
So, they okay. So, they also asked him about
rumors that Zach and Vanessa are just a PR couple orchestrated by
Disney to cover, up alleged homosexuality on Deck, Efron's
carb and this is actually something the podcast.
Was it dunzo. Hmm.
They like read a lot of blind items about like Zach being like
supposedly secretly in the closet.
I'm not going to give any are to that because I actually think
it's like not supposed to do that.
Yeah yeah but that is a popular rumor online but so Mac says,
that's fucking insane. I've never even heard of that
happening. I don't even know who I would
have been around. Who would have thought that was
even a good idea. It would have been so much
easier to call it off a long time ago.
Mmm, they the tabloids like in parentheses want you to believe
and they hope that influence you to break up by making.
You seem insane for being in it and then you'll play the field
and then they can write about you.
A shitload make shit up and speculate about everything,
right? Now they know exactly what's
going on, and it's not very interesting and there's no money
to be made on it. It's exactly how it should be.
It's real. Well, that's nice pleasant
sweet. Yeah, so he's in this region
show he's serious about it. Also that month been asked to
stars in rent on stage as I don't think like Broadway but
she's in a live production and Zack actually tips her on stage.
While she's performing a striptease, like he gets up from
his seat and hands her a dollar. My God.
That's funny. He did that.
I know I also heard rumors. I think these are blind items.
I don't know if it's true, but that Zach was talking a lot.
During yes, women's TV in a Vanessa wasn't happy with that
but that just could be a real name.
Yeah. And then once again that month
they go to Hawaii again together.
Love it. I know on vacation and onlookers
say that Zach was taking photos of Vanessa in the Ocean.
So okay, I don't think the paparazzi were there, this time.
Okay. November Vanessa, is filming
Journey to the Mysterious Island and black Zack flies there to be
with her. I don't know where it is.
Oh Island. Yeah, maybe Hawaii.
And Paparazzi takes photos of them kissing after dinner.
I want to see those. Oh, she raps has her arms around
him. Mm.
He wraps his arms around one kiss.
Yep, she's got his arms on his stomach, rubbing it and they get
into a car together. Interesting, hmm.
That on December 13th. 2010, it is announced.
That zakah Vanessa have broken up.
What? Mmm 2010.
Hmm. This is Major.
A source tells people that they are 100% still good friends and
then another source tells us weekly that nothing dramatic.
Attic happened, they just grew up.
And according to other sources, they actually broke up when Zach
went to Hawaii to see, Vanessa filming that movie.
Hmm. So, that Paparazzi video, we saw
could be like right before they broke up.
Hmm, what the heck? Mmm.
And during this month, Vanessa does a photo shoot for details
magazine. She's asked about the breakup
and she says, we're still good friends.
Who knows what the future will bring or figuring things out.
Hmm. So Obviously don't know that,
it's like forever. So, with a together for five
years, mmm, five years very quickly.
After this though, Vanessa is reportedly dating.
Josh Hutcherson, and she leader goes on Ellen, and she denies it
and says, they're just friends and she never admits a dating
him. But later on, Josh, Hutcherson
is giving an interview and says that they had briefly dated and
then she broke his heart. Really interesting.
Yeah, hmm. While they're filming the movie.
So she had a little rebound, right, after that.
What I do think Zack broke up with her though, but I'm not
sure if I had to guess, that's what I would say.
So good for her. Yeah.
Wow. I think it was just a fling
with, with Josh, March, Vanessa gives another interview where
she attributes The Break-Up too long distance.
She says, long-distance relationships are hard no matter
what. When you don't have face to face
time, It's just different having an iPhone helped but it just
wasn't the same. Long distance relationships will
kill you. I could probably send know my
goodness. I do love that song.
That's true 2011, this after the breakup Zach, Vanessa are both
in attendance at a party in Hollywood and sources say that
they were constantly tuss touching and kissing each other
interesting. One quote was Vanessa was
bopping around with her arms up. Zach had his hands all over her.
Vanessa had a smile on from ear to ear and the two were
inseparable after that. Some people, my Eczema bring
those, it's cute. If it's true, he was kind of
legit bopping around. I know they definitely high on
that, like post-breakup, you know, sucks or whatever.
Quote number two, Zach sat in between her legs, and she
wrapped her arms around him. They were making out on and off,
for the last hour or so, until closing.
They acted like they There was no one else in the room.
What? But that same here, Zach is at a
party and Malibu with Ashley Tisdale.
What? And their photograph kissing?
No, I don't like this. Here's the photo and I think
like later. Wait yeah.
Let me tell you, I don't like that.
Back off. Ashley Tisdale.
She's a Vanessa Hudgens like best fried.
The heck that's Wrong. There's a photo.
And there's even more photos up like, look at him kissing her
neck. What the the I'm pissed?
That's horrible. Now in photos of them, playing
is playing in the water together.
She's in a bikini he's in his bathing suit.
Why he has his arm on her back. Oh what?
So he's wanted to try hooking up with her this whole time.
I know him giving her a piggyback ride.
Look at this. I do not like this her hands on
his head so I told you there's something weird going on here.
Look. Thus, how good Vanessa be, okay
with that Vanessa, publicly seems unfazed by this.
Look at this picture him. Holding Ashley Tisdale.
Oh my God. That is incredibly, flirty
friends. Yeah, do not do that.
She said bikini, he's holding her.
So I don't know that happened. I told you there's something
more going on there. What do you think about the
threesome now? Like, do you think I don't know.
I still not sure. Sure.
I mean, I feel like threesomes are so dramatic.
I know, like, do they like each other?
That well, maybe and that's that hippie.
I don't know. I mean, they were partying, I
don't know anything going on. They might have experimented.
I'm not saying necessarily a three someone on, but Ashley
Tisdale and zag definitely are a little shady.
If you look into it, that's nuts.
They did it for five years but Ashley and Vanessa remain.
Friends to this day. Like I don't think that there
was like drama there so I don't get it.
Wow, I wish we knew. I know if anyone like knows
anything more about that, let me know. 2013 people writes an
article exposing Zacks addiction to cocaine.
They write when some of his projects failed to ignite.
He struggled with insecurities about his looks and his career
say some books because I know so stupid.
I No. But I mean hey if your career is
based off how you look and then suddenly you're not Landing
parts. For people aren't going to your
movies. You might feel like am I no
longer go? Look at things, say 90 the heck,
I think like the bottom line is, like looks are not everything,
so it's just a lot of luck. The article also says, some
people can handle partying and some camp but he eventually
began far out. Partying, his peers falling in
with a click of young Hollywood clubbers who often use drugs
According to sources. No, I don't trip to Las Vegas in
2010 with friends, he and somebody's headed to a strip
club as soon as Hodgins left for a New York photo shoot, they
were snorting coke and pulled an all-nighter at the strip club.
So the source who was with them, it came straight from the strip
club and went to a pool party at like noon.
Oh my God, I feel like he's partying, might have had
something to do with The Break-Up.
Yeah, probably. And who knows if he was like
cheating as well? 24. 14.
Zack Now 26 has gone to rehab and is opening up to The
Hollywood Reporter about battling with alcoholism and a
drug addiction and his early 20s and he says I was drinking a lot
way too much it was never one specific thing.
I mean you're in your 20s single going through life in Hollywood
you know everything is thrown at you.
I wouldn't take anything back, I needed to learn everything that
I did but it was an interesting journey to say the least and he
admits, it's still a constant battle and then you Going to AA
and going to therapy. And in the same interview, Zack
is asked about Vanessa Hudgens and says that they're no longer
in touch with each other. But says she was a really
interesting sweet person. Hmm.
Those four years after their breakup, they do not speak
anymore. But why do you say he's single?
Did he just mean after the breakup?
Oh, I didn't even notice that when you're in your 20s single,
mmm. Yeah, maybe he meant after the
after, hmm, that's awesome. 2015, Vanessa gives an interview
with the New York Times. And when asked about the
relationship, she says, I went through a phase when I was
really mean because I was so fed up girls were running after him
and I was giving them death tears.
Then I realized that's not what that's about.
So I think the attention that Zach got like really got to her
was hard to deal with as well. That's odd.
She wouldn't mind. Ashley Tisdale L being all over
exactly, maybe she did. I know maybe and she's playing a
poker face. I mean, once again, at Vanessa
Hudgens, so strong. Yeah.
She's good at hiding, her emotions like yeah.
You know, she performed, grease live, right?
The day after her dad died. Mmm.
And she went to the Met Gala. She was a correspondent there at
the Met Gala, where Austin Butler the new, it boy, is
walking. Walking arm-in-arm with Kya
Gerber after their nine-year relationship easy.
And she has to like there's one clip of Vanessa on the red
carpet where she's like, it sounds like there's like a hyena
outside. There's a clip of Vanessa on the
red carpet, where, whatever interviewer she's with is like
alright. And now back to so-and-so with
Austin, Butler and Kaia Gerber and Vanessa has to just stand
there with a smile on her face. That's sad. 2016 High School
reunions cast reunite to film, a 10-year reunions special.
But Zach does not attend because he's doing promotion for a film
Dirty Grandpa. And instead he just sends a
video of himself and Vanessa seems unfazed watching old
footage of her and Zach together.
He doesn't really seem like she cares.
She's like, smiling along to it. That's good.
Mmm, when she's in a very serious relationship.
At this point with awesome button, mmm.
Seventeen. Vanessa is asked if she still
keeps in touch with Zach and an interview.
And I have a clip Contact with him.
Yeah, the way she says that is, yeah, like, I don't know, like
it tells a story. She's just like, it is what it
is. Yeah, it's interesting that they
did it for five years, they just they never speak at all, you
know? But that's what happens.
Yeah, I think that's pretty normal some at some point.
There's nothing really to say exactly specially, if you're in
a serious relationship, it's like not appropriate.
Sometimes, I think I agree. The only reason I think it's
like interesting is because they're in Hollywood and
Hollywood just feels so small. Yeah, I know, like everyone kind
of runs in the same Circle. Yeah.
They never seen each other again and hard to believe.
It's hard to believe especially when I'm one of her best friends
is so cozy with him. Mmm-hmm, that's so funny.
I like that. She said that I love them.
People are real. I know you can tell they're
telling the truth. It is so many.
Probably would have been like oh, you know, like not for a
while. But occasionally.
Yeah, but I wish him. Well yeah, Tobias answer.
I completely lost contact with a cool good.
I mean, I would feel secure if I was Vanessa this boyfriend.
Yeah. And then in 2019, Vanessa is
doing an interview and it's asked, I think this is on
Awards, chatter the podcast asked about what it was like
having a high-profile relationship in the beginning of
Social media. She said it started off really
organically and I could not have been more grateful than to have
that relationship at that time, we kind of blew up.
It was like this massive phenomenon, all of a sudden and
eyes were on me. It was just really foreign it
was just a really foreign weird thing to go through and by being
in a relationship, it kind of kept me stabilized and grounded
and I had someone to lean on who was going through it as well.
But yeah, of course not everything is always happy and
dandy. I remember one time we did have
a fight, it was while we were Rehearsals and I remember Kenny
Ortega came over the corner and being like, Oh no.
Is our movie going to fall apart right now and we all sorted it
out, sorted it out. I think because I was so young
having that relationship really stabilized.
Me, mmm. Just sweet.
That is sweet. But in this interview because I
just read it, you guys like can really hear it.
I did feel like a Cadence and her voice was emphasizing like
that relationship at that time. Like it's kind of like that was
in the past. It's like she's saying it was
good for what it was but I wouldn't take it back.
Yes, you know it's like careful with her words.
Mmm. So.
Okay, we're almost at the end 2020.
Vanessa, who has been dating, Austin Butler for eight years,
gives an interview with Cosmo where she says she hasn't seen
or spoken to Zach in years and she says she still has that t
necklace. That Troy gives her a boy.
No tears and thyroid Jason tuberculosis yeah that to
necklace. That Troy gives Gabriella, which
hello so conceited and she says that she should donate it to
charity because it's just resting in a box in her house.
That's nice. But it's also nice to hold on to
think but it's not as easy. Yeah.
Tia. I wonder if it's like a good
quality necklace, you know? He's like gold.
Yeah, a cheap problem. Yeah.
Yeah, I think you should. I mean, I shouldn't do that.
Charity is great, but I would like, I would keep something
like that. But yeah, Big Moment in your
life. Yeah Relic.
Yeah. Sounds so nice.
I mean, I guess if it was a charity but I don't know.
You can donate to charity herself.
She could do me something else to turn.
Yeah, exactly. I don't know.
I want her to keep this necklace so bad.
You should, I hope she still has it and during Both document also
partake in a High School, Musical like virtual reunions.
But it's not that significant because, like, everybody films
their piece separately, and then it was like, put together, like,
over his. Umm.
Yeah. So, they weren't talking to each
other. No.
And like, Vanessa, she's like doing singing and dancing along,
Troy Zach doesn't like sing or dance for it.
He just like films a video, like, introducing the cast, huh?
So, okay. Mmm, So, now, up to this year of
Vanessa, recently appeared on the purpose podcast and like I
said, she quickly referenced Zac Efron when talking about like a
trip to Brazil, mmm. And when she'd mentioned his
name, she was like I was dating Zac Efron and it's like, she's
like I'm not kind of embarrassed it name, drop him.
Yeah. And then finally, like, the last
thing I have to say is that Vanessa recently shared a video
of her in front of the Salt Lake City.
School where they filmed High School Musical.
Wow. And a month later zag posted a
picture of himself in front of the same school.
That's interesting. Hmm, they just both go
incidentally one there. Yeah so like I mean I think
there probably is some type of thing for like High School
Musical the musical to series or something.
Maybe does it take place at the same school?
Yeah. Wait really I've never seen it.
Yeah. Because also the girl who plays
Martha and High School Musical. You know, the girl who loves
hip-hop. Oh yeah, she was also at the
school. Oh, okay.
But they all went there for some reasons.
We're just some reason, so they prop.
I'm guessing is that given us over there together?
Yeah. Hmm, wonder if they spoke, I
know. Wow.
And that's it. That's it.
That is Zac Efron, Vanessa, Hudgens.
Some do I thinking they'll get back together.
I couldn't know, I don't gone to my head.
No. But I don't think it's like 0%.
I don't think I think Vanessa for no reason at all.
Hmm, my perception of this couple is that well, let me hear
yours first before. Um, I think he wasn't that into
it. I mean, I'm sure he enjoyed her
company and liked her. But she seemed much more
involved and very Giddy, and excited and cute.
I mean, I'm sure he did love her, but it seems like
especially near the end. He was A little checked out and
I don't know. I don't see them getting back
together. I would put a prioleau like 5%
or something. Well, here's what I think.
I think that that is what it was at the time.
I now think Vanessa is completely over that
relationship and like she had awesome Butler for 89 years.
Yeah. It's a long time and now she's
been dating. This guy Cole Tucker for two
years. I think she's like she's on to
the next person. Mmm, but I think years later
Zach hasn't really. He has dated other people that's
like ask who just like random like models and stuff.
Hey do you like Billy Collins for a little bit?
But he hasn't had as long of a relationship since Vanessa and I
feel like years later especially with everything he's gone
through and stuff, I don't know. I'm just saying that.
I feel like he might realize like wow.
Vanessa was like the best I ever had.
Yeah maybe and Like be like I wish I could be with her again
but she doesn't care anymore, like she's completely gone.
So what percentage would you give them chance of getting back
together? Never Say Never.
I think thirty percent Thirty. Whoa.
Okay 30% I don't think she wants to though.
I think she's too happy over it. I don't know why.
I just picture like if he called her she'd be like, what the
fuck? Yeah.
That's like wouldn't and I think so I don't think she wants to
but maybe she was single. Yeah.
Go on a date again maybe, maybe, hmm.
But I think Vanessa's like ride or die for like the guys that
she's with. And yeah, she's very like
Monogamous and like long-term she is, but like once it's done,
she'll move on one else. She'll move on, man, that's
interesting. I can't believe the Nikki
Blonsky thing. I know that was crazy.
It's to me from use Zach and Ashley kissing those pictures.
Yeah. Mmm.
I don't know. Who would you say is like, I
know it takes two to tango, whatever.
But, who would you say is at fault for A relationship and
Zack. You too.
I really wanted to guess when, in doubt, I blame the guy.
Yeah. I mean, but then again, Vanessa
was dating. Josh, Hutcherson very quickly.
After it was something happening on set.
I don't know. Why don't see them together at
all. I got a can't wrap my brain
around. This wasn't you like much older
than him, too, or am I wrong? I think she might be two years
over 20 years older. Okay.
Here's some photos of them together.
All right, he's so cute. I love pita.
I'm gonna cry this. Looking at him.
I feel warm for the baby. I love Catching Fire.
Oh, here's some. Like I feel like years later.
Friendly exes. Okay, they're cute.
Mmm, they're like the same thing.
Hi, I love it. Yeah, I don't know why I don't
want Vanessa to get back with Zach.
Can you seems like a done to me? I know.
I agree. Like I want someone who like
really lose her. Oh here's Vanessa.
Josh and Ashley, he'll actually stay away.
Get out. I mean, maybe Ashley is just
like so Anon threat from Vanessa that like she be isn't doesn't
even care about really getting cozy.
Oh, here's Vanessa. And Josh together at Coachella.
Cute. We should do something sometime.
Yeah, yeah. I would be interested.
I feel like Zach for a while. Wasn't it in that many pictures
or at least nothing that high profile.
But like, recently he's had more things think so more acting.
I don't know. He had that like number, his
face looked different. Yeah.
Like it looked like he had plastic surgery, people were
making fun of him. Why the hell would he do that?
No, the actually articles. Came out like yesterday about
why his face looked like that. Think he might have had an
injury or something. I don't know if I buy that.
Yeah I don't injury. There was like more articles as
of recently of yesterday about like more about his like
struggles with like drugs and depression.
I think he had a severe depression from having to get
his body to look the way it did in Baywatch, like really fucked
him up or something. I think he really He's been
through it, which is why I think that like, I don't know.
Part of him could be like, wow, Vanessa likeness that time
period, you know, I could just pick.
Yeah, I know. But I think she's completely
moved on and doesn't want him back.
Well, Zac Efron needs to know, I don't know what his deal is, but
he's still very good-looking and that just upsets me if he
struggles with like looks, it's just absurd.
I know, I know. No, he really?
Like I have said on the Twilight podcast, when I first read
Twilight, I pictured Edward Cullen as dr.
Frog, because in my head he was the best-looking person that
ever existed. So.
Wow. Well, this was really fun.
Hmm, it's a trip down memory lane.
Yeah. And a lot II didn't really know.
Their relationship was like is long and involved as it.
Mmm. Yeah.
Five years is a really long time.
That's another reason why I don't think they could be PR.
Like I also don't think someone with fake something for that
long. Yeah.
They broke up long. After the final movie came out,
true. I don't know.
Like, I don't think. What would Disney even have to
do it that anymore? Yeah, they were out of contracts
with Disney. Mmm.
That's being a Disney. Our next bonus episode on the
Patreon which probably should be a mean episode.
I'm sorry I realized it's a lot more involved than and longer
than I expected but it's also another Disney couple.
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