Hi guys. Before we you start this
episode, we have to share that. The timing is just crazy.
Yeah, we recorded this episode on August 29th and we just heard
the news today, that Queen Elizabeth has passed away.
Sadly may God Rest her soul being Elizabeth.
So if you hear us say anything and episode about her out living
Charles, or speaking about her, in the present time, Hence, hmm,
orc calling Prince, Charles Prince when he's now King.
He's now the king. It's crazy.
We did not know it at the time when we recorded this episode,
the timing is crazy. So yeah, just a little
disclaimer. Keep that in mind.
And rest in peace to the queen, here's the episode long live,
the queen Are You Lonesome Tonight?
Do you miss me tonight? Are you sorry?
We drifted. Hi guys.
How are you doing today? How are you doing today?
Irish I guess.
So don't yes today I feel like my accent is not correct or not
as it should be. I wish I had an English accent
for you all today. Ade you to do the whole episode
on an English. I thought I didn't know,
probably not, but I genuinely wish I had an English accent.
So bad has ever. You ever thought this like what
if I just started? It was like everybody.
I know would think I'm like so yeah and judge me.
So you can't you know it's not in your voice, it is because
then even when people do move somewhere, and then adopt the
accent and people like make fun of, yeah, it has to be natural
and I think rarely does somebody totally yeah.
Adopt a British accent. Yeah.
Workin. But yeah, the reason is today We
are talking about two members of the royal family, who what
numbers are is that, that would be, no, I can't stop.
I'm gonna say their names and in a boat accident, that would be
Prince Charles and Camilla parker-bowles Scandal,
controversial, I know, I know it's controversial because if
you didn't know if you're like eight years old or something,
Because Prince Charles was married to Princess Diana.
Lady Diana, who was beloved by the world?
Mmm. And then she he cheated on her
with Camilla. Parker Bowles who's very sad.
People don't love Camilo. Besides me, it was true, not
beloved, and it was tragic, and very sad.
And then even more tragic day. Anodized makes it even worked.
Yeah, it's just very sad and so people do not like Prince
Charles because of this and Camilla.
And yeah, I feel a little nervous about doing this
episode. Yeah, a perspective that is
never depicted, which is what I think, makes it so interesting
because he didn't just cheat on Diana with anybody and
everybody. Yeah, cheetah with someone.
Ooh, in my perception, he genuinely really loves.
So, I know it's not good, and I know Diana really wasn't treated
very well by Charles, but I always thought.
Hey, like that's some kind of like sweet that he just loved
Camilla. Yeah.
And spoiler they're still together to this day.
So it does make you think like whoa, what's up with that?
Why didn't he just? Why wasn't he just with Camilla
in the first place? Yeah.
No, it's yeah, it's interesting because a lot of times people
just he, you know, doesn't. It's not really for love.
Is yeah. We're for lust and there wasn't
guys stand. Yeah.
So I know when we saw Spencer
together starring Kristen Stewart, I remember in the
theater after we were like, I think you said we should cover
them on our show. Hmm.
And I agreed now we're doing it but I've always thought if not
us like I just want to See it depicted in general, from that
perspective. Like yeah, you know, obviously
like they do Charles on the crown and, and yes, so much
media about them. But yeah, it's always from a
very sympathetic lens on Diana, which obviously, she deserves.
But yeah, It does seem like two people who just really loved
each other and it was just terrible circumstances and it
seems like Charles that's Charles is just as much a victim
of the royal family as anybody else.
It's true. It's true.
Have you watched the crown like those parts?
I know. I just saw the crown like before
when they're young. Yeah, Elizabeth is Young.
I haven't watched it and I am still interested in the earlier
Seasons but after doing all my research for this, I I watched
some of the clips on YouTube of Charles and Camilla and I
couldn't, I don't know. I just couldn't do it.
The guy did not look like Charles to me.
It was really bugging me in some of the dialogue.
I just felt like was so unrealistic.
Like they were saying things that they wouldn't say because
they would know it already. Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, she'd be like that's like my grandmother who Bubba.
Bubba the extradition. Yeah.
So I just couldn't do it but I'm sure it's enjoyable and stuff
but I really I really enjoyed researching this and I'm glad
you encouraged me to do it because now, I'm sorry.
I must have been a big BF feet to research this because I
imagine they're so much out there as working on it for a
while. Actually, just last night
finished like typing up all my notes, so it took a while but
I'm obsessed now and I think I'm going to be in to Charles and
Camilla feel like the rest of my life.
Probably, I'm just into them now.
I love it. I know it's Candle is but Find
them really interesting and I have like a soft spot for them.
The future king and queen. I know, wait, no, she won't be
clean. Oh, wait, I just read that.
The queen said she would be comedian Queen concert, right?
Yeah. He's still scandalous till it's
crazy to this day. Won't, you know, let her be
Queen because of all this drama. Just Queen Camilla.
Yeah. That it has to be Queen consort.
What does that mean? It's kind of like I don't know
any of my marriage like yeah, I was trying to find a way to say
it was gonna say like subordinate.
It's not like the same plane that make sense.
Yeah that will come up that come up that whole title issue.
Well I guess I should get into it.
This is going to be a long one but guys you don't have to
listen all at once. No, you can take breaks and then
come back to the episode is like an audiobook, you know?
Explain that to my mom because she's like, it's too long, mom,
if you're listening, you don't have to finish it.
You don't have to sit down and listen to the whole thing.
It's like, yes, dart on your commute or and then come back to
it, Walker's, whatever you're doing, maybe you are just lying
there, I don't know, but you don't have to finish it.
Yeah, one day, yeah. This might be a long one but I
hope you like it. All right, you ready?
Imam mehdi. We'll just to start.
I use like two books, mostly for this.
I used someone internet to, of course, but the first one was
called Prince Charles. The passions and paradoxes of an
improbable Life by Sally Bedell Smith, and I really liked that
book. Very cool.
Very interesting. The other book, which I brought
with me, is Charles and Camilla by Giles brand with portrait of
a love affair. This one was a lot more like
gossipy, I love. The other one was more of a
biography sometimes in this book I was like okay I don't know if
that's because it would be like a friend.
Some this friend said that a lot of stuff like that and also like
there was a story in this book. Spoiler, a story about women
like throwing bread rolls at Camilla a grocery store.
I know in the other book mentions that story and said
that that wasn't true that makes you question.
Yeah, I question a little bit of this book but but the guy that
wrote it actually like worked in something in the British
government. And I think he knew a lot of
people that knew them and he literally met like Charles and
Camilla a few times. So I think he liked did know he
was talking about but I think some of it could be just gossip
but I tried to you know, be kind of diligent about that.
Yeah I mean you have two sources.
Yeah ones more legit. Yeah the other one.
I mean both of them. I think they interviewed like
hundreds of Oh yeah, I'm sure so much work went into it.
It's crazy. Okay, get into it.
So Prince Charles fill it. Arthur George was born November
14th. 1948 Scorpio like me. Hmm.
Only a few days after your birthday.
Yeah, I gotta say. I know people hate him and find
them annoying, but I feel like I really don't want to Prince
Charles. Oh, they've realized meaning I
praise you. She was I hope.
I hope that the royal family knows.
This is not an anti Charles episode like don't try to get it
taken down. Don't go after them because I
think they are like really sensitive.
Yeah. So don't take it down.
Please don't contact Spotify or whatever.
Yeah so born 1948. Mother's the Queen.
Elizabeth is a baby. A baby, his father, Prince
Philip, Charles was a very sensitive shy child and he said,
and others have said that his father was very hard on him.
I know. And I said, fine, Philip quite
attractive over there. Yeah.
And he said his mother. Carol said, his mother was not
indifferent so much as detached. Yeah, I'm sure he's busy.
He was Was Charles, I found I just think he's so funny.
Like he was really into beautiful things even as a child
and this goes on through his whole life.
Like he was intrigued by jewelry and the royal family portraits
and he would admire his great-aunt edwina's hats and
called them. Lovely and she said, not my
seven year olds would say that he's very sensitive.
And his father was afraid of. He's afraid of him being
spoiled. So he sent him to a really
brutal boarding school. I called Gordon Stan and the
school was intense. They would have to like take
cold showers, wear shorts all year.
There's corporal punishment, obviously.
And that to sleep with the windows open all year, it's like
they're cold all. Yeah.
So snow would even go on their beds.
That's crazy. I just wanted them to be tough,
I guess. And Charles hated it there.
He was tormented by the other kids at school, and they made
fun of him a lot. That's crazy.
Making fun of the game. I know somebody someone that was
his classmate said, few students would walk with him to meals or
class. Charles said people were always
moving away from me because they don't want to be seen as sucking
up, and he was taunted for his big ears and he wrote many
letters home about how unhappy he was.
I felt so so bad for him reading his childhood, actually, because
he was not close at all, to his parents.
Yeah, he's so alone at school. I don't know if he had like any
friends and he would just like fire with his teddy bear.
Oh, that's really sad. I like kind of hard to believe
that kids would bully. I know the Future King.
I know I would have been such a little social climber like that.
I would've been sucking up to him.
Shame. Yeah, apparently kids that would
suck up to him. The other kids would go like or
whatever to them. So, making sucking up sound, I
don't know. So it was a whole dynamic like
you never afraid to Get close. Not surprising.
That he wasn't just like fuck off.
Leave me alone. Like no, he's very shy, it's
cool. He's good at reading and writing
drawing and painting. But he struggled in math, which
I also really liked know I did too.
Um, just a show, like, how alone he was in his relationship, with
his parents. Apparently, in 1954, his parents
have been away for six months and when they returned, they
greeted. Owls and his sister and with a
handshake. Oh my God.
What is no? He was close with his sister and
but his younger brothers were much younger than him and he
wasn't as close to them. Mmm.
Just good to hear. That's good to hear.
One of his brothers. Yeah.
Not a good guy.
I was nervous reading this book. Like who is does he have some
kind of connection to that? I really think he doesn't.
Yeah well I mean I just feel like you seem to not like
Andrew, that's good to hear. I mean, they're just so like
distant from each other in general.
Like yeah, I put the world family.
You can only lump them together and like, associate them.
The fact is own parents were giving him a handshake.
Yeah. It's not like they're going to
like ride or die for each other. Yeah.
They don't know each other that. Well, I think him an inner
close. But yeah, I mean when he was
like 20 years old. Andrews like seven or something.
Yeah. So, you know what I mean?
It's just one of those things. Like a generational.
Yeah. Yeah.
When he He had the Asian flu had heard of that but I guess that's
what it's called. And his parents didn't visit him
and the book made it clear and it wasn't the gossipy one.
The book made it clear that his parents had been inoculated.
So there was really no risk of them getting infection.
They just didn't visit him. That's awful.
That's so interesting because I only watched season one of the
crown but they make it seem like they're like trying to fight
against like the coldness or what, the royal family or
whatever, but it seems like they're just like, not doing a
good job. Because now, I don't know.
Yeah, I mean, people got mad at Charles for saying this kind of
stuff when he was older and said it wasn't true but I don't know
why he would lie about that. And then he kind of attracted I
do. I think he does love his parents
but he felt very alone. Yeah.
But he's very close to his grandma and sorry, there's so
much backstory, but I just want to like to pick two, they are,
you know, I think it's important.
Um, he's very close to his grandmother and she he was very
affectionate with her, I guess. And some people have said though
that the Queen Mother grandmother may have fed his
tendency to self-pity and whinging as they say in England.
And yeah, so growing up, he loved nature, the countryside
and painting. He took up painting watercolors
and he still does it to this day.
And they're actually really good for some UPS.
Very cute to me everywhere. He goes, apparently he brings
paints paint brushes pencil, eraser, tissues and Sketchbook
with him. Yeah.
When he was a little older at age 17, he went Timber Top
School in Australia Australia. That's fitting that you did the
accident, really? I don't know which is all about
physical challenges and Expeditions.
Charles loved it. He loved it way more than his
other school and lots of wilderness education stuff and
he loved Australia to. So shout-out Australians Prince
loves you. So as a young adult, he seemed
much more comfortable with older people and hung out with a lot
of older even In like elderly women, oh, I won't really get to
into I guess. But he had like a couple of best
friends who were like, sixty one of them was even a tea.
Wait a minute. How old was he was maybe like
20. Okay, it's a little odd.
I guess, I don't know if I buy that.
It's true because he was, I could get someone to us, but he
was really into a lot of things. Like, he's very into religion.
Hmm. Bridge reality.
Psychology poetry Shakespeare, like he's into all these things
and he would hang out with these people that were kind of like
mentors / Gru's to have, okay, a lot of them were do these older
women? And it was said that he had this
group of older woman that just like love with him.
He muscled loved him. Thanks God.
They must have gotten a kick out of him.
Hang out, isn't it funny? I can also see like he had a
pretty stuffy upbringing like the Royal family doesn't really
modernize themselves that easily.
So must have been really hard to relate to other 20 year old
guys. He he is stuffy himself and he
doesn't, I mean I was a compliment Charles if you're
listening and he he is very old-fashioned.
So he did not relate to people his age.
So I think he liked hanging out with the older ladies.
Yeah one of them was Kathleen rain who is 81.
She was a poet and scholar and other was she still alive?
Molly Salisbury, who is 65? Yeah, circle of older woman who
adored, and supported the president said, they must have
been so obsessed with us. Yeah.
He said, I've always preferred my company my own company or
just a one-to-one. He's very much like an
introvert. There's so many movie ideas
here. Like they could even make a
movie. Just about the older woman.
Prince Charles, The Prince and awesome ladies.
Oh yeah. Charles is like one of the women
with them and then they die. Yes.
And then he has to turn it Camila.
Yes. All his friends done.
Yeah. I actually kind of have it
because I do die. That's so sad.
Um, But yeah, about the stuffiness, this is Dorian David
Kennedy and said, Charles was kind of an 18th century Country.
Gentleman, born 200 years too late so he really didn't relate
to people's age. He went to Trinity College
Cambridge. Apparently, he was the first
heir to the throne and get a University degree.
Oh wow. Yeah, other Royals had dabbled
it universities but they never finished.
I don't know why easily good I guess like Duty called or
something. I feel like Remember the royal
family you can't brag on. Like, I'm the first member of my
family to go to college first generation ago.
Yeah, he was though. Yeah, he didn't relate to his
classmates and the way they dressed and stuff.
He dressed in proper corduroy, trousers and Tweed.
Jackets. Charles would not approve.
No. Oh my God, guys, we live in New
York City. So you know what?
Honestly, he was kind of running with Edward Cullen.
A little bit. You know what?
That's probably why you love me? Like, I love you, like classical
music come from a different time.
A different time. Charles had called himself an
incurable romantic, but he hadn't had much romantic
experience yet at this time. He didn't Going to all boys
school. Yeah, it's yeah, I think he is.
I think he was in the okay, nothing, right?
Everybody is at some point. Yeah.
Um, in Spring 1969, though, he, it's not Camilla.
He had his first romance with Lucia, Santa Cruz.
He was 21. She was a daughter of a Chilean
ambassador to Britain and was a brunette knockout.
Um, Said to be the first love of his life.
But she was Roman Catholic and unsuitable to marry because the
bride had to be Protestant. Oh, looking yeah.
Then he started doing Royal duties, he went on tour World
Tour of Australia, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Japan.
And this has nothing to do with anything but like back then.
So, this is 1970 when he was 22. He was already talking about,
like the horrifying effects of pollution plastic, bottles
exhaust, from cars and planes. Like, He was already because he
had heard about global warming stuff.
I guess I was already like really concerned about it and
he's always been a pioneer of being like eco-friendly and
stuff. Wow, I didn't know that no
little sustainable care. Here is a cousin Ali and he's
really into like non-jew Mo's and stuff like way before.
Probably most people even heard of that I don't know that little
crunchy. Yeah, he is actually yeah.
So, you know, didn't work out with Anna on an associate didn't
work out with Lucia Santa Cruz. Yeah, he's feeling more alone.
As he got older, he needed to make appointments to see his
parents and he craved appreciation for from them.
He joined the Royal Navy. And apparently, his superiors
were worried about his inability to add or generally cope with
numbers. And I'll totally relate.
That's followed him. Yeah, really bad at math.
Yeah, I completely relate to. I think the other day I said, To
my dad. Like what is 20 times?
500 but I literally put in the Congo.
Yeah. Hi.
I do sometimes struggle adding like top digit numbers because
I, I think it's a confidence thing in a way.
Like I said, I think I can do it fast but then I'm like, wait,
no. And then I have to slowly do
like the whole thing and if I don't know if I'm like in a
meeting and I had to I like sometimes I'll have budget
numbers up on the board and one My co-workers would be like, oh
actually just had to add $4 to that even if it's like an eight
I cannot do. The math in front of people. 99
messes me up Nyan. Yeah, well it's the synesthesia
all the numbers have a personality and some of them.
Are you hiding going on? The numbers are dating.
So I can't dating, I can't put them together or exit.
Yeah, yeah, they don't like each other.
Yeah, yes. Some do not like each other.
Oh my God. Okay.
Like Team plus 17, don't even get that interact.
Can't do that kind of thing. Yes, so Yeah, he's very lonely,
his friends the Palmer. Top concerns even said he was
the loneliest human being they had ever met.
I know not all. I can cover him sad but so
Edward. That is very Edward and Arlene.
I'm tired of peacoat. Um I also really did this
apparently, he was somewhat of a hoarder and fill his rooms with
many objects. I have many objects to so yeah
then let's go. Edward today is yeah, mmm.
Also last thing I'm going to say about him like personality, but
probably not the last but just he got super into gardening.
Is also one of his lifelong obsessions.
And one thing that he's been like roasted and made fun of for
is like in this documentary. He said that he talked to his
plans, to help them grow and he said they respond, I find.
Okay, that's sweet people. I made fun of him long but I
commend him for saying. Yeah, that's cute.
You know, I bet he writes the sweetest little love letter.
It does, you know, it was one of those old woman that told him to
talk to his plants. So my gosh, I bet you learned a
lot from them. Yeah.
He's okay. You need to calm down.
So then in 1972 his ex-girlfriend Lucia.
Invited him out to drinks with some people and there, she
introduced him to Camilla Rose. Rationed.
That's quite show. Lovely.
I know she said something. Like, I have the girl for you or
something. I know, I could not do that.
Me, neither, if I didn't even like the money, I don't get it.
She must not like, Charles or something, because I don't get
that. It's crazy.
Like the Future King. She's like, I didn't work out
well, say no, someone else. I know, maybe she knew there was
no chance and she was Catholic. Yeah, that's true.
She could have converted if she really liked.
At him. Wow, she really was not trying
to secure the bag. No, she wasn't.
You know actually this will come up a bunch of people weren't
trying to disagree on that. That's surprising to me.
I know it's very admirable. You know.
Turning down a prince. Anyway, Camilla apparently, her
friends called her Milla. Oh that's cute.
Back in the day Camilla she had fine features.
Light brown. Length hair with blond
highlights. A fetching figure with a large
bust hovel. I read that many times.
She had a husky voice and smoke cigarettes.
Woo, her friend, Lady Annabelle Goldsmith said she was intensely
warm maternal laughing creature with enormous sex appeal and
when Camilla walked in the room, your spirits rise because you
know, you're going to have a laugh.
I like that. She seems cool.
He does. She is described as having
expressiveness in her eyes. Play of Mischief in her Smile.
Her low and husky voice minted, Marlboros, and Jin, the author
of this book, The Charles. And Camilla one said her voice
is at surprised when you first meet her because it's kind of
deep and you heard her voice. And I haven't heard a voice, it
is, it is kind of deep snow like that.
Yeah, that's a nice contrast with Charles who seems like he
has a soft sensitive. Yeah.
Demeanor is very different from him in that way.
She was born, July 17th, In both her and Charles are actually
delivered by the same doctor. Wow, coincidence.
Her father Bruce was a wine merchants and her mother, I
think was a stay-at-home mom, but I believe also, loved
gardening. And kind of, I had a younger
sister and brother, unlike Charles is miserable childhood.
Camilla Was admired by her peers.
She had boyfriends and was confident.
Like I'm sure she had some problems, but yeah, but seems
like she's way more like Breezy and outgoing than Charles there
is this story that I've read a couple times that they met up at
a polo match and that Camilla went up to him and said, my
great-grandmother was Mistress of your great-great-grandfather.
I feel we have something in common.
Wow, it is true. The her great-grandmother was
Mistress of his great grandfather, but apparently is
not true. That that's how they met.
Mmm! I think someone just made that
up little fan fiction. Yeah.
I feel like sometimes people like joke, there, like, she went
up to him and says hot. And then, you know, people think
it's real. Yeah.
Is reprinted. Yeah, often beat that.
I think they did just meet, like, out with a group of people
or something, but they did encounter each other at Polo
matches, a lot. They both really like to pull.
Hello, we got another one on Charles Hobbies, he has a lot of
hobbies. Um, they both loved Polo, the
outdoors and they had the same sense of humor.
They both loved the goons show that came up in the John Lennon
episode. He also loved the goons.
I've been using it all, hang out.
Yeah. They're apparently immediately
attracted to each other, Charles liked her down to earth
irreverence and indifference to fashion and style.
I don't know what that means and for Buddy, the book said, for
somebody with downbeat Tendencies like him, her
personality quote was catnip to him.
Like he's kind of downturn. She was just very fun.
I think. Hannah like love at first sight.
So he was 23 inches. 2500 time. Yeah.
Older older woman. She did work a little bit.
She she had some secretarial jobs but she wasn't like trying
to build a career. Yes, she wasn't like that.
Seriously, Us about it. And she shared a flat in
Belgravia with a friend. Apparently, her room was a mess.
Wow. So you're a modern woman.
She's just gotta bring me. He's living in the city.
He's living in a palace. Wow, that's crazy.
They're all so casual about hanging out with the prince, I
know, I don't know. I mean I think she was grew up
wealthy and I don't know. Your dad was a wine merchant.
I don't know how rich you get from that.
It seems like she was in high up in a high-class, high clouds
articles. Yeah, Society.
I figured have like a, real hard time, like being myself around.
I know, like, I feel like I would never be able to open up.
I feel like she totally was somehow, it was just her
personality. It seems like she's even care,
but she had been the on and off girlfriend of Andrew Parker
Bowles for a long time. I'm I guess when they met was
off but he actually had dated and Charles's sister.
Oh wow, a small circle which is just nuts because later Charles
briefly dated Diana's sister what it's like I didn't know
that. Like what's with all these
people, everyone's just dating each other but apparently Andrew
Parker. Bowles had a roving eye who
wasn't faithful. He is always dropping and
picking Her up as he pleased, you know, on and off.
Yeah. And apparently, I don't know if
this is true because I think is probably from the gossipy book,
but apparently Andrew, Parker Bowles was having an affair with
a married woman. Oh, wow, yeah and Hammond.
Camilla had been on and off for seven years.
So Andrew, I don't know what he was doing, but he, maybe he was
in the Navy or something. I don't know.
But he left for Northern Ireland and Cyprus and Camille and
Charles started dating. And they were seeing out dancing
around, having fun, but then Charles had to go to the Royal
Navy for eight months. Hmm.
Before he left, he wrote to his uncle.
This is the last time I will see her for eight months.
He's really sad about that, but he hadn't, he hadn't proposed to
her or, you know, you didn't lock it down, lock it down.
But, and like people always say that, like, oh, he didn't lock.
Owner. He didn't he didn't ask for her
hand, he missed his chance but they had only been dating for
six months. Yeah he didn't know what was
gonna happen. Yeah.
I don't think he thought
anything was going to happen but what is their plan to like still
a right to each other? And I think you together the
thing is also and I don't know if this was an official
conversation he had with his parents or his uncle or
anything, but the thing was that That Charles was supposed to
marry a virgin, or at least a girl that seemed like a virgin.
Yeah. How can you really tell?
But you can't tell. But apparently Camilla was the
type. You could tell because she had a
lot of boyfriends. Yeah.
And had been with Andrew Parker, Bowles.
I don't know. I don't know.
Yeah. Apparently people knew I don't
know how they knew but they knew and she wasn't like suitable for
him. And I don't know, I don't have
like information on this, if he had Official talking or
anything, but I think he didn't think it was like, acceptable,
but I think he was just kind of not going to do anything about
it, who's gonna just push it off and I don't know.
Yeah, he didn't seem like urgent to get married at this point.
So, I mean, he's still quite young.
Yeah. But it seems like he still wants
to be with her. Yeah, so I don't know.
So he left for the Navy. I have this quote from one of
his biographers. He delivered and hedged his bets
until Milla gave up on him, hmm, But I think he doesn't feel
ready yet or I don't know, but when he returned or while he was
away, actually, she became engaged to Andrew Parker Bowles
know eight months he was away. Yeah.
Anything can happen.
I know. Eight months.
I'm guessing. She didn't know where she stood.
Charles, yeah, maybe she thought there wasn't a future there.
Yeah. And apparently, because they had
her and Andrew had been like on, For seven years and apparently,
her, father, and Andrews. Father exasperated.
The Andrew hasn't proposed yet and I'm not positive.
This is true, but apparently Andrews.
Cousin had published an engagement announcement.
Before it had happened. Forcing his hand.
I know, that's crazy. Wait, let's go back to the
Virgin thing for a sec. Okay.
Do you think Charles and Camilla had had sex?
Yeah, okay. That's kind of his bulging
original, but it's not. The heir to the British throne
to marry a woman who at least appeared to be virginal, Camilla
had a history and you didn't want to pass that hung about
appeared to be that make sense. I don't know.
Hey Alma. I'm not saying I'm not making
rules. No, I gotta different time.
Yeah, we're gonna talk and make sense.
I don't know how like official that was.
I don't know if like you said like no you're not.
It's just so funny the appear to be it doesn't matter if they've
had sex. Yeah.
I'm outer, just have to be like they have read about it.
Yeah, apparently she hadn't been this great about it.
Yeah, that's so funny. I mean, I didn't like you really
like gave off non-virgin Vibes but you genuinely were a virgin
and be so annoying. That would be annoying.
I better happen sometime. So apparently, Charles was
blindsided, that Camilla had accepted Andrews proposal and he
felt. He had no one to return home to.
He was also upset that his sister had become engaged and he
felt He's losing his sister. Really companion.
That's tough. It's like, he's gotta start
over. I know.
And he was invited to the wedding, but he didn't go.
It's a Camilla's wedding. Yeah.
I want to go.
I know people were like, speculating, why?
But why would he go? That's really weird to invite
him in the animals. Yeah, he wrote to a friend.
I guess I can see. I shall have to find a wife,
pretty rapidly. Otherwise, I actually get left
behind and feel very miserable. He also wrote that He would be
left, floundering helplessly on a shelf somewhere, having missed
everyone. That's so sad.
I know, I guess how he feels though.
That's really tough. I know I really feel for him.
He started playing poorly at Polo, I guess I'm getting really
angry. Um, this has nothing to do
anything, but he went to Portsmouth New Hampshire and he
was enchanted by the town. It's only significant because
we're from New England, England. Yeah, from New England.
He loved it. That surprised me because I feel
like in England, they have so many cute tone.
I know. So, here's doing Naval courses.
He's in the Navy. Come on, Andrew, were married,
July 1973. So he tries to move on.
Apparently, he almost had a thing with Lady.
Jane Wellesley daughter of the eighth Duke of Wellington, but
the romance went nowhere. He tried to be set up with a
woman named Amanda. Then he was A woman named Laura.
Joe Walker's. Seems like he's getting around
quite a bit. Well, now he is because he's
trying to find a wife. Yeah.
Um, dating a woman named Laura Joe Watkins daughter of Admiral
James Watkins. He met her in San Diego and he
even met her parents. He seemed really into her.
I just thought this was a heartbreaking thing.
He said to large, oh, it was so beautiful to hear your father
call, your mother sweetheart people.
Don't say those endearing things to each other in front of me.
That's sweet. That's sweet that he even said
that, I know. But once again, larger was
Catholic and he couldn't marry a Catholic.
So was so, why did they even waste his time with this stuff?
He just, he's just attractive to the wrong people, I guess.
I don't know. He said on record an interview
that he knew his future wife would be marrying into a way of
life into a job. He said, she's got to have some
knowledge of it, some sense of it or she wouldn't have a clue
whether she was going to like it.
Hmm and she's and said that. Deciding on a mate for life
would be the last decision in which I would want my head to be
ruled entirely by my heart. Okay.
Apparently Laura, Joe came to visit in England and said that
Charles was a fabulous lover. Wow.
But I feel like later Diana said, he wasn't well, maybe not
to hurt, you know, couldn't satisfy her.
I feel like clearly he is too coming alone.
Yeah. Um not everyone's I'm bad
sheets, obvious. Imagine the sheets, but I guess
Laura, Drew, Drew much attention in the press or something.
So, she was sent away, but you kept in touch with her over
letters, then he was back in touch with Camilla.
Actually, who is now pregnant. Oh, but I think just, I don't
think in touch meaning, romantic struggling because friends.
Yeah. And Charles actually became the
Godparent to her son Thomas Henry Charles Okay, that'd be
kind of weird if you were in Drew.
I know this my rules. Yeah.
Wait, what the middle name is Charles?
Okay, this is the thing. I'm his like first row first
certificate, it was Thomas Henry, but then his baptism, it
was Thomas, Henry, Charles. Oh, coach reminds me of about
Jacob. What if it's a boy and BJ Edward
just got a fella wants to name her son after the The two guys
in her love triangle like. Yeah, that's odd.
That's so Bella, Camilla Belle of her.
And so BJ, Novak of him to be the Godparent.
Yes, everything is connecting your ex.
Isn't that odd? Your ex-boyfriend.
Yeah. Is the Godfather.
Like, that's so weird and weird. And he was cool with that.
I know. Doesn't she have a younger
brother? She does.
Like, he could have been the Godfather.
Yeah, you know. I feel like Andrew didn't care.
Yeah, he seemed weird. Not that committed to her.
Yeah, so Charles continues with his life.
He's fox hunting, and playing Polo.
And also, I should say, there's so much to say about him, but he
was leading like 30 Charities or something.
He's insane. Yeah, he's doing some so much
charity work. Starting all these projects.
Yeah. Yeah.
So we stayed friends with that girl, large.
Oh apparently she was actually at his wedding to Diana.
Oh wow. Oh, I know, June 1975.
He was on leave from active duty and he was competing in a polo
tournament, he loves Bungalows. Hello Andrew Parker Bowles was
also competing and photographer captured Charles and Camilla
caught in a moment of conversation.
Wow. Are they competing against each
other? I believe so yeah.
Oh my God, the drama there. That's out of a movie.
Yeah. And there's one thing I don't
know. Sorry.
He ended his career at the Royal Navy, 1976 he launched a charity
called the prince's trust, which is supposed to help Young
Troubled, youths, just specifically people of color,
think to help them develop talents and learn employable
skills. Then it kind of went on to being
like helping them launch businesses, right?
Okay. That's nice.
Yeah, and he kind of became a vegetarian.
Wow, 100% freegan is my friend Abby's halfway Yeah, in the late
1970s, apparently His Image and tabloids was a Carefree Bachelor
popping in and out of bed with girls, good, not, you know, not
very virgin. You know, I don't know how true
that is. I mean, maybe he was popping in
and out of bed with girls, but I feel like he was never Carefree.
Yeah, no, it seems like it would mean, if he's an Edward type, I
think he is always going to be pretty anxious about things.
I don't know. I don't know how many girls
whose with it, like I only know a couple need.
Like doesn't sound that crazy. But maybe there's more, he
wanted his own property to practice farming for a start and
part of the dream, was to be close to Camilla.
Apparently, they still cross paths out in London.
He can't get her off his mind, you can't and he apparently said
he regarded her as his best friend.
No 1977. Camilla was pregnant with her
second child, who was daughter. Sorry, What?
I just feel bad for the daughter.
I was like upset by that. Yeah, couldn't light.
It works out daughter. Born New Year's Day by then, her
and Andrews. Marriage had apparently
hollowed-out. Mmm, he was unfaithful.
Oh yeah, of course, didn't seem that promising.
Yeah, journalist some journalist didn't write his name.
Sorry. But said that Andrew Parker
Bowles went to confession and then started all over again.
Hmm. So he just was always cheating
and apparently Camilla's friends at this time she gave up on
Andrew. Yeah I'm at this point.
She's been dealing with this for forever and then meanwhile this
Prince I never hear this. Prince is still keeping in touch
with her being her support system, why bother with Andrew
Parker Bowles at the Queen's 1978 Royal Ascot house party?
Apparently Charles mood completely transformed and
brightened up. In the Parker Bowl, showed up.
He was some time at the end of that year, their love affair
rekindled while she was still married.
Oh my God. She's still married to Andrew p
b. So this is part two of their
relationship, second time dance. Got backed to somebody that
worked in the palace. Reluctantly told the queen, her
son was sleeping with a married woman and the queen made no
reply but put out the word. That Camilla was not to be
invited to any further Royal events.
Oh my God, and I was reading this part of the book.
I had taken a completely legal treat and I was thinking a lot
of things, you know, it's very much worse.
At this part I was starting to get a little overwhelmed.
I was like, oh my gosh, what is this?
The prince is with a married woman?
Are these bad people? Am I reading about bad people?
Am I obsessing over bad? People, I was like getting all
upset but okay, he and your fellow pupils is cheating.
Yeah, first know it's just like our Carly and yeah, it was
episode. Yeah.
Yes, he started if she can do whatever she wants.
Yeah, they're not monogamous and I do think Camilla did love
Andrew actually and would have stuck by his side but like why
should she not this point at this point?
No, no. All is fair all's fair but I
mean, hey, Charles. Okay.
I know, he's so bad. Yeah, sneaking around.
Oh my God. Okay.
But, I mean, probably was good. Sign.
Probably was really exciting. Yeah.
I mean, they really loved each other.
Yeah, apparently Charles was happy with it.
As it was, he really didn't care.
Like he would have just continued to be Camilla's
paramour or whatever forever like he was fine with that.
The setup but he's getting pressure to get married.
Yeah and he's what near 30 here? Yes.
And one Prospect to Mary was
ladies Sarah Spencer daughter of the 8th.
Earl Spencer hmm. He for Diana sister.
Yes he first met Sarah at a party at Windsor Castle.
June 1977 they went to a polo match later on then she invited
him to a shooting. Like hunting in November and Al
Thorpe at the Spencer is State. And they're so at.
This point is 28, he met for the first time, Diana.
His her sister who was 16 at the time.
Oh, so to Sarah and Charles dated a little bit, I'm not sure
for how long and she kept like newspaper clippings about it,
but apparently she didn't like him.
Okay, I don't fancy him. You know, and she's following
her heart here. Yeah, good for you.
Yeah. So then He dreaded turning 30 he
seemed really stressed about marriage.
He wrote to a friend. The media will simply not take
me seriously until I do get married and apparently become
responsible. Hmm, he actually proposed to
Amanda, who I mentioned earlier the effects together.
I don't really know her just like she was actually his second
cousin. Apparently.
Yeah. That's too close related.
Fourth, maybe technically you Mary your second cousin you.
Technically can marry your first cousin, really some flavors?
You can I think in the with the Royals, as it was very common.
Yeah. Very common.
Very common on the cell. Yeah.
It wasn't weird to him. He proposed she said no.
Oh, there it is easy. As I thought it would be for
him. Nobody.
He's been like turned on left and right.
What don't they see that? I see.
No, but they stayed friends. Apparently she went on to become
social worker, they remain. Good, friends.
I just think he's really good at having platonic female, I know
friends as well. Yes, it's very interesting to
me. Yeah.
Um, in 1979 his uncle mountbatten died and he was
really close to him and he was distraught.
Apparently, he turned to Camilla.
I got confused because I thought this was the time when he
reunited with Camille. But apparently it was a little
earlier. So, this is a part 3 and their
relationship. No, this is still party.
Okay. So part 2.
Yeah, he said that. Camilla is my best friend and
now that mountbatten was dead. She was really the closest
person to him. Apparently, Camilla's
grandmother became concerned that she was too close to the
prince. Hmm, understand that, and I
guess one time she was at her grandmother's house and the
prince was coming over to see her.
And someone asked her, are you going to change?
Because she was wearing jeans, I had like no button and do this.
There's just a safety pin keeping it together.
Kind of see her underwear and apparently come on, the said oh
Charles won't mind about that. Wow, so they took that to mean.
He's used to wear something really.
He's seen them before Scandal has and okay this is one of
those things. I don't know if it's true.
It could be complete. They might be completely false
but I guess a servant or something.
Something you know, right? Term.
I don't know. That's what the book said.
A servant claimed to know that Charles and Camilla would do it
in the garden in the garden. Wow!
Outside. They loved gardening.
Oh my god. Wow!
They're taking risks. Yeah, there's some story were
1/7 to another Zone. Like heard was like, don't go
out there. Oh my God.
I know that's hard though. She's probably like yeah who
cares about the safety finish? It's going to take money by 31.
He was facing the fact that every woman suitable and
pedigree age, sophistication worldliness, and intelligence
was either married or long. Lost her virginity.
Yeah. And I don't know who said this
is a quote but they said he was forced to Rob the Cradle.
Hmm, I can see that. I was gonna say like, Diana.
It must have been hard for him to relate to her.
Because like, here's Diana has best friend almost his equal as
someone who Milla. Yeah.
Yeah, someone who's, he's never equal with other people, because
you have Prince going to be the king someday, and then he has to
get with someone. I know, you know who so much
younger than him. It just creates a further power
imbalance and he's such an old soul, you know.
Mmm, really doesn't relate to young people so and you're
completely, right? So I'm not going to get too into
Diana because this is an episode about Charles and Camilla.
Obviously I'm to talk about her but I'm not going to get into
like detail here. Maybe someday we'll do Diane and
Charles, maybe someday. I'll do Diana and her other
lovers and I don't know. But be fun because she's very
interesting, but I'm not gonna get too into it.
But when they started dating Diana was 19 and he was 32 wow,
very Alanis Morissette. Yes, the bed L Smith book.
She said that the author said in her words that the Twelve.
Your age Gap was unbridgeable. They had no intellectual
conversations. Few mutual, friends.
No. Common interests.
I think they did both have a vague common interest in the
countryside, but it seems like that was kind of fun.
Charles thought he could grow to love Diana.
I mean, I think he was attracted to her and I think he, in some
sense, maybe did love her, but I think they only I didn't write
it down because like, I didn't really Research them, but I
think they only had spent like 13.
How many things I like 13 times or something before they got
engaged or something like that. Like that sound.
Maybe 16. I forget.
But it was not that much, you know, and I'm sure like a lot of
those times are supervised straight.
I'm not sure. But yeah, it was they didn't
know each other that well, but yeah, he thought he could grow
to love Diana. He thought it was the right
thing to do, and he felt pressured and panicked and he
rushed into the Probably because, like, all this time ago
and by and all these other relationships weren't working
out. Yeah, and Amanda had said no,
and I don't know, he probably just didn't know what to do.
Not I think I could picture myself doing that reading about
a Charles. I just came away feeling like he
is so human. Yeah.
Well we all are but like he really just had to learn their
business takes immense pressure on ya to get married in.
And he's a trying, he's dating a lot of people and it's not
working out. So he's probably just thinking I
just have to suppress my feelings and just do it.
I mean, people do this all the time.
I think they marry songs. I think it's the right thing or
like they maybe they date someone.
I mean, I feel like I've done that.
I was nothing but like you know you just it's hard.
Sometimes you can't tell in the book.
This is the right thing. Yeah.
Oh, they're really great. You know, there's some issues
but You know, they're awesome. Yeah and plus the people on the
outside are probably saying to him like Diana's perfect.
Yeah you'd be insane. Not to marry her and the woman
he loves is married to exactly nothing.
You can really do. This is the realistic option for
him. And you know you guys know if
you were his friend you would be telling him be with Diana view.
Diane we have said, keep pursuing the married woman.
You wouldn't have said it. Okay, if you like forget about
her, To him later on. I know when he starts to follow
his heart. It's so sad though because he
said like, he didn't want to make the decision only with his
heart. Mmm.
If you did, follow his heart. Yeah, he would have been with
Camilla. Mmm.
But why isn't she getting divorced?
Oh, I guess like, she will, she will.
So he became engaged to Diana, February 28th, 1991.
And then this is when that Fame is interview happens where the
interview ask them if they're Love and she says core, so he
says whatever in love means. But then he said, okay, I
actually watch this like five times in a row.
I feel like this is Charles. I know it's annoying to some
people, but I feel like I get what he's doing here.
It was the wrong time to do it. Yeah.
But he was trying to be like, philosophical because he goes
whatever in love means, whatever your interpretation.
And then the guy says, like very happy together, something like
that. And goes, yes, so like he Did
say yes, but like he was being annoying.
I fall asleep takes her. So I do think to myself, what
does in love me? That's what he meant.
Yeah. People how people act like in
love is like, you can measure it or something with like you take
a thermometer and it says up you're at the point where in
love or something like it is. So abstract, is it, is it just a
feeling because feelings pass? Yeah.
You know what I mean? Is it, is it like just being,
like, really caring about someone really strong?
Like, what is it? I know.
Yeah, and it does mean something different to everybody, but
yeah, probably wasn't in love with her when I'm really not.
But yeah, I really don't think he meant it callously or like
bad timing. Yeah, he shouldn't, that was not
the time to be like, oh my God, someone said that I liked about
me. Yeah, I would be very insecure
about for Dino. I do feel bad / 2.
Apparently, he was upset though that people always misquoted it
and said, whatever. Of means, he's like, no in love.
Yeah, in in. That's what I was pondering.
Um, but yeah. Diana.
You're right. Like seemed perfect.
She was 40 enthusiastic sensitive open.
And from the Spencer's, which is one of England's, oldest
families, but some of us friends did worry actually that they had
nothing in common, besides liking the countryside and
worried that Diana had fall in love with the idea.
The idea not Him as a person. Yeah, which I was wondering
because later on it seems like Diana hates everything about
him. And maybe it's just because of
the whole Camilla thing which is totally understandable, but I
was wondering, why did Diana even want to marry him?
Yeah, it just because he was young and was excited to be a
princess, but did she love him? We'll have to cover it.
Yeah. Only, if her own sister like,
wasn't even really feeling it she--'cause.
She seems to just like roll her eyes at everything.
He does later on like all Is interested like, oh my God,
you're so annoying. So, I just don't know.
Did she actually loved him? I wonder.
Yeah, I mean, maybe. I assumed she didn't like,
that's why she was so heartbroken.
But maybe she just didn't like to be disrespected, obviously,
which I don't blame her. Yeah, she probably did.
And, apparently Camilla encouraged Charles to marry her
and wanted them to be happy. And Camilla said she would use
this as an opportunity to make her marriage work to, oh, that's
mature. Forever.
So this is kind of part 2, of Charles and Camilla.
This is a play. I know there's three acts.
I would say. Yeah, Charles and Diana had a
new estate and it was 15 minutes away from Camilla.
Oh, so even though Charles and Camilla, I had agreed to, like,
not be romantic anymore. They never stopped being
friends. And that's the dream died.
And I'm crazy. Yeah.
That yeah, yeah. I don't think we've talked about
this before, but like, I don't think you can really get over
someone when you're Still hanging out with them.
I agree. You know, I agree.
And yeah, the thing is like I say I was watching some video
the other day, why it's smoked so important.
Like, if you're going to get married, you're looking for
partnership that the face of that is friendship for
everything else because everything else is going to
fade, but friendship is the only thing that will last when you're
older. Yeah.
And it doesn't seem like he had friendship with Diana.
Yeah. So how dangerous is that is that
you have someone who you're still physically attracted to
that, you have a strong friendship.
Always going to override just the physical track.
Yeah, that's a good point. I don't even know if you had was
physically attracted to Diana. I'm guessing she's beautiful
and, but I'm guessing he was. Yeah, he was and, but Camilla's
definitely going to fill a void. That Diana can never.
It didn't have a friendship. That's true.
They didn't really know each other that.
Well like they didn't know each other deeply but he was, he was
worried. What?
Diana was getting into but he felt worried that he would let
One down. If you didn't marry her.
Yeah. I mean people were like freaking
out, they love doing and I like, he couldn't back out.
Now, you know, Apparently after their, I feel like you've seen a
lie after their engagement Diana overheard, Charles murmuring to
Camilla on the phone and she asked Charles, if he still loved
Camilla and he said she's one of my most intimate friends, but
that their intimacy had ended, but it wasn't really a clear
answer. Not what you want to hear.
No, it's a yes or no question. He's sometimes he's a cannot
help, but tell the truth. It's like you just got it.
Yeah, right. Think.
Sometimes he can't after this was bad after him and I and I
became engaged, he then went on a six-month tour around the
world for, like, Royal duties where it, he does alone.
Yeah, loan. So like they had just become
engaged, but then he left for six months, things, barely know
each other. You're not good, no more any
better than you got back. I know.
This is really bad. Set up and while he was away.
Apparently Diana and Camilla had lunch together who's that?
That up. Camilla did and Diana became
very suspicious of their past relationship.
Yeah I bet a lot was revealed during that lunch.
Yeah, some trousers back and no wedding plans going on and I
guess the Charles some reason got all his friends gifts for
the wedding. Actually, it's other way around,
but I guess when you're a prince you that I And he got a gold
bracelet for Camilla, and this was kind of, like in the Spencer
movie, they did like their own version of this, you know?
Yeah, he got a gold bracelet for Camila and had the letters.
GF engraved engraved in it which stood for Girl, Friday his
nickname for her girl, Friday. Yeah, girl, Friday and Diana
found the bracelet and assumed the initial stood for Gladys and
Fred from the Goon show which Charles and Camilla loved and to
die. And I represented the There's a
couple. I was just think girls, I know I
told you to but wait, so why does he call her girl, Friday?
I don't know. That's weird.
This is nickname for her. I guess.
He insisted on giving Camilla the bracelet in person and him
and Dinah had a whole fight about it.
And I guess after the wedding rehearsal, Diana broke down.
Sobbing. Her eyes out over it, not a good
start the wedding rehearsal. It's okay.
Then this Is, I think purely gossip and I really hope it's
not true. I don't think so lined item
mind. I know it's like kind of there
were rumors that Charles and Camilla slept together, the
night after the wedding rehearsal.
That's quite the Scandal. I Andrew Parker, Bowles denied
it. How does he know?
I don't know. I believed it.
I don't know. It was like some Diana heard
this from. Yeah.
Okay. So those are rumors circulating
at the time. Yeah.
I'm at the And I believe it. Now, I don't know, I got her
know how Andrew Parker Bowles know.
He's, he's trying to save face and he's kind of been very, very
easy to be cheated on. He did, Charlie did send Diana
letter like I didn't do any research on day and I'm really
but like this just came up in the books is reading.
He sent her a letter the day before the wedding saying I'm so
proud of you and when you come up I'll be there at the altar
for you tomorrow. Just look him in the eye and
knock them dead. Wow, wait, who said that?
Charles To Diana Diana. Oh, that's sweet.
Yeah, it's sweet. So, it's confusing.
I think he really did want to love Diana.
He meets genuinely had like not feelings for her but yeah.
Didn't have any ill will towards her and felt bad for her.
I think he did and then I guess the night before the wedding
this is in the Sally. Bedell book apparently Charles
was in a contemplative mood looking out the window at the
fireworks. I don't know how he got a loan,
like, I've known, you would think he would be with all these
people. But apparently, he's alone, he
started crying and his friend, Steven Barry.
I don't know who that is. Asked him what was wrong and
Charles said, is it possible to love two women at the same time?
The kalevala was so true, very Twilight.
I wonder if Charles is seen her but I don't know.
I feel like that might bring up a lot of, you know, he might
relate, I thought you legs. If Only when I'm sure someone
realizes small podcast have that's royal family.
Oh yeah, I think well. I think we're like the queen
bust. Ya, nice.
Probably right. Camila has come Melody.
Yeah. Okay, so during Charles and
Diana's wedding, this is so bad. Apparently, Diana was so fixated
on Camilla, who's there? Yeah, but as she walked up the
aisle, she looked everywhere until she found her during the
wedding. Yeah.
Ah, That's bad. I know I feel bad for her so she
found her Nemesis it said so now Charles and Diana are married
and I was telling you that the other day I was watching their
wedding video and I felt so overwhelmed.
I like almost started crying. It was just so.
Oh my gosh. Wouldn't like they come out and
they go on this carriage and this whole crowd of people.
I'll cheer. That's my technique though.
Crowds crowds Kelly's the same way.
Yeah. Crowds of people.
We'll get me emotional. Unlike anything else especially
Applause. Yes, Applause.
Like makes me instantly cry. I was so overwhelmed.
It was beautiful honestly, and I was happy for them.
Yeah, I'm getting overwhelmed. Okay, so they're married.
Now, we spent time together, obviously went on a honeymoon,
but Charles still needed his alone.
Time to paint read and write letters and it bothered Diana.
A long time is amazing. I know.
Diana. Apparently found pictures of
Camilla in his diary, as well as cufflinks with entwines.
He's so she kind of freaked out about that.
Yeah. And yeah, Charles as time went
on, went to think that Diana had no Hobbies or inner resources.
So I feel like I'm gonna say more about this but I really
feel like they just didn't go together.
Yeah, they just were not compatible.
Out of but they didn't have a strong Foundation.
Yeah. Start.
Like they needed that friendship?
Yeah. To begin their relationship
because obviously I think Diana did have hobbies.
Like I think she's remembered as being a very interesting person
but he just can't see it. Because they just weren't
aligned. Hmm and as time went on Diana,
became much more popular than Charles with the public as
probably everybody knows she became pregnant and when she
Three months, pregnant. Apparently, she discovered love
letters between Charles and Camilla in his desk drawer.
I think they were old but I'm not sure.
She's very upset. I think, right outside.
I'm just gonna Actually, I might go to bathroom right now.
Okay, I'm just gonna leave it going though.
Skirt kind of a classic screwed mine.
We have with us here a little tin.
Yes, I got an antique store has Charles and Diana on it.
What does it say? The Marriage of the Prince of
Wales and Lady Diana, Spencer 29, July 1981.
People were so excited about that wedding and it seems like
it's like the pressure not only for him to get married.
It's kind of a business opportunity.
I would imagine there's a lot of Draw that there with the
wedding, even though it's expensive to throw it, but
there's like little things like that.
Like that people can buy merchandise about the happy
couple and people get really into nationalism celebrate the
wedding. So I feel like, yeah, this is
Beckett development. Yeah, hmm, people need that,
mmm, doesn't seem very specially.
I don't know what else was going on, like, in the world at that
point. What time, 81 81.
I don't know because it's always something going on.
Yeah, back to the story. Diana was three months pregnant
when she discovered love letters between Charles and Camilla and
his desk drawer that's upsetting and apparently she fell down the
stairs on purpose, which is crazy.
I don't know if that's true. I don't know.
That doesn't sound. It's been recounted a couple
times but the baby was okay, luckily and so is shirt.
So is she Charles that? Had violent mood swings and
self-pity, which he also has been accused of having
self-pity. So, I don't know.
I do think Diana had a lot of mental health issues.
And I don't think Charles knew how to deal with that in the
battle Smith book. I hope I'm saying her last name,
right. Um she said that Diana resisted
treatment for mental health which she saw as a way to
control her but I am confused about that because I also
thought I've read before that, like nobody really helped her
get help. So I don't know what the truth
is with that. But yeah, were they trying to
help her? I don't completely know.
I guess. Charles tried to appease her and
please her for a while, but I think it started to where it him
and started fighting a lot. Like they had fights about
things, like her being late to the Festival of remembrance to
commemorate the British board dead.
They want a big fight about that, I guess like Just things
like that. And like this is how I think
first of all, I think that they didn't have much in common and
we're a great match but also think that they kind of suffer
from the same things. Yeah.
And I think they both struggled with the loneliness and the
criticism in the embarrassment of everything.
And I think if frustrated Charles that he felt like she
couldn't just deal with it like he did.
But of course he had like, his whole life to learn how to deal
with it. Yeah, you do it?
Yeah, I think. I think because they both were
kind of needy people in a way they, you know, they couldn't
help each other. Ya know, they both had something
lacking. Yeah, yeah, actually Princess
Margaret probably said, they were two very needy people, so I
don't know, but she was okay and gave birth to William.
June. 21st 1982, I'm sure you guys know, Prince, William and
William's. Yes, there was continued
suspicions about Camila. No, she's always like in the
game. Yeah.
Oh, wait, apparently Diana called Camilla, the Rottweiler
while Camilla called Diana. That ridiculous creature.
Oh, so things are heating up. What kind of really pass when
they just got lunch together? No, we are.
I have this quote, so I called, okay.
This is from The Daily Express. Said that psychologists might
say that for a man. I don't know why I put this
quote here, because I feel like should have been way later.
But psychologists might say that for a man who had precious
little mothering during his formative years.
Camilla wood. And other sick.
Circumstances be Charles's ideal partner.
So, I don't know. I guess he just saw her is kind
of a mother. I was thinking that, too.
I mean, she's a little bit older than him.
Yeah. Yeah.
Someone who hasn't had any mothering his childhood.
And how's that void? He shouldn't be with someone
younger than him. Yeah, I know.
I don't think heat that's what he really wanted.
So a year after their marriage saying it was getting all the
attention in the Press but and they were fighting but Charles
and Diana wanted to have be Hands-On parents and they seemed
happy parenting William together.
Actually but they did have increasingly more fights when
they weren't with William. And apparently, Diana would say
things like you'll never be king.
And you look ridiculous and all those metals.
Hmm. And his cousin said that after
one argument, he was kneeling to pray before bed and Diana was
hitting him over the head and kept fighting while he's
praying. It doesn't sound healthy.
I mean, I know he probably upset her because he could be like
distant. And probably said weird things,
like whatever in love means and and the whole Camilla thing,
like I don't think he's totally innocent like I can see why he
maybe would Upset her, but I do think she could be mean back to
him. Yeah, you know, I believe it and
I adore Diana just like everybody else, but I just think
when two people are not imagine they're not meant to be
together, there's neither of them are right or wrong.
It's just never gonna work out. It's sad.
Yeah, Diana didn't want him to see any of his friends or in the
same circle is Camila anymore. Apparently, she able also I
didn't want him to have his dog from that time.
Harvey and Harvey was banished live with an advisor.
Okay, that's I'm not, that's not fair.
I yeah I don't don't like that. He got another dog but when he
should not be keeping in touch, I commit I know he shouldn't he
should not. He did get another dog.
What Dianna don't like that dog either.
Okay. Charles and Diana did like rock
music though and like they kind of bonded because he would throw
these like concerts Benefit his charity, the prince's trust,
like the money would go towards it, so I think she liked that
and, um, 1983 Thanos pregnant again.
Charles wanted it to be a girl. And apparently Danna knew it was
a boy from an ultrasound, but kept that from her husband,
until she gave birth. Oh, wow.
And I know that people speculate the Harry's, not really his
child. You have anything on that.
I don't have anything on me. I mean it's just rumors so but
don't need entertain it. Read that I think there were
redheads in his family. Yeah, I don't think it's crazy
for a redhead to be. Yeah.
Because it was something about like he says I'm like oh has
Ginger hair but like there were people in his family with yeah
and hair so I don't know. I don't think it's like that
absurd. Yeah, I think I don't know.
I I didn't read anything about that.
Didn't come up, Charles Charles, yes print in town.
So Prince Henry Hey, Charles Albert.
David Bornstein a fifteenth nineteen for Prince Harry.
I guess after Harry Osborn, that was kind of like the end of
Charles and Diana's marriage sexually know how people know
that. But I feel like there's so much
known about the Royals. It's like another level.
Yeah. Compared to theirs will
celebrities. Yeah, it's just crazy.
Charles moved into his own bedroom, I guess.
And he brought his old teddy bear.
I don't know, let's see. Um he obses t'set prime
minister, Margaret Thatcher because he said something about,
he wanted to force his way through parliamentary red tape
and save the city from being split in two halves and Have
Nots. And apparently prime minister
therapist. That true told him I run this
country, not you sir. Yeah.
Um and he opposed the conservative government policies
but the royal family isn't supposed to get involved in.
Politics. So wait, what did he say?
Sorry, just a good piece of these.
Are you want to save the city from being split in two halves
and have not always, that's good.
I'm sorry, it's okay. I just made me sound like I was
like, I don't know. I mean, some people might agree
with you, he wasn't supposed to be saying, things like that, but
I don't know. I guess the royal family is
supposed to always stay like neutral, like they don't get
involved and put make sense. Yeah.
No. But he had a, he had a good, his
heart was in the right. Yes.
Yeah. So, I guess by 1986 after five
years of marriage and lots of misery, apparently, Marl.
Marl, apparently, Charles had given up Charles, truly
believed, he had turned himself inside and out for Diana, but he
couldn't do it anymore Up For Debate.
If you did turn himself inside and out, I don't know.
I think they're just incompatible.
Make your like heart, love someone that you just do not
love. I know.
I understand that. Yeah, he can't.
Himself to feel what he doesn't feel.
Yeah, it's sad. So, this is when I would say,
act 3, started Camilo. Okay?
In 1986. She was 39 and he was 37.
So at this point, while he's been married, they haven't been
sleeping together, right? They were but not since Harry
was born, I guess. Okay no I mean him and oh no I'm
Camilla have not now okay. And there's conflicting things
about whether they eat or even like talking or I don't think
they were in touch as much as they used to be.
Hmm he's just on his mind. Yeah and I think they still see
them sometimes the parker-bowles, both Charles and
Camilla enjoyed hunting gardening and painting and
apparently he felt no. Else understood him like Camilla
did and later on, when, like the news of all this came out
prince, the prince was adamant that he's only with Camilla
after his marriage had broken down and his friends said that
he had virtually no contact with Camilla, from 1981 to 1986, but
as I just said, others say that they were in touch.
So hmm. Who knows?
When asked about it in 1995 Dan Diana?
Said, she did know about Charles and Camilla zafer.
She said, yes I did. Did.
Yes. I was but it wasn't in a
position to do anything about it.
Yeah. Oh I said read page 239 but I
didn't say why, let's see what it says.
Let's find out. Oh my God.
Okay, so here's adamant that at the start of the marriage, at
least he turned to Camilla, simply for Solace, not for sex.
Camilla was a have that he could not break an obsession.
He did not want to conquer said Stephen, Barry.
Oh yeah. He came up earlier, Barry claim
that even in the immediate aftermath of his marriage
Charles would telephone Camilla from his office most days?
It was impossible. If it was impossible to call, he
would write a letter which would be smuggled out without the
princess's knowledge. It was extraordinary The Prince
and we had to be in constant contact with Camilla, or you
could not function properly. If he went without his daily
phone call, who become tetchy an ill-tempered, Hmm, although
Diana maintained that once she clearly overheard, Charles on
his telephone, in the bathroom telling, Camilla, what's mine is
in the bathroom telling Camilla, whatever happens.
I will always love you, the princes, friends protest.
That Steven berries account of child's behavior is greatly
exaggerated, they point out too, that the form of ballet is
conveniently dead so that his testimony cannot be tested so I
don't know. It's probably true, it's just
probably see. I'm not resisted any more.
Yeah. So Camilla and her husband at
this time we're like there's still go out and socialize the
other but otherwise they went their separate ways.
They yeah. They weren't like living
together anymore. People wonder why not Diana, why
I like she's beautiful. Why isn't he in to her?
Okay I have another thing to read.
Answer that question. Um obviously stuff like this is
so subjective, you know like some people are really into
somebody in some whole lot of people look good on paper but
Not a match. So, okay, this is also in the
point of view Giles brand with, okay, so his words, not mine,
Charles had another problem too Diana was beautiful.
Her beauty was a delight for us and a gift of picture editors,
but a challenge for Charles and to an extent for Diana, also the
eminent Irish Irish psychiatrist.
Professor Anthony, Claire told me, you can be too beautiful.
Extremes are difficult for human beings to cope with great.
Physical. Beauty does not lead to
happiness. Maryland, my Maryland.
Monroe wasn't very happy. Princess Diana wasn't very
happy, Bubba, Bubba. There are exceptions to every
rule, but as a generalization success successful couples tend
to be of a comparable age educational ability and
attractiveness on a scale of Beauty, from 1 to 10, a
contented couple might expect to be within a point or two of one
another. If you look at the photographs
you can see that when they were young princess Elizabeth was
beautiful truly. So in principle it was handsome
astonishingly so yeah with Charles and Diana it was
different on a scale of He hovered on A5.
Well on a good day, at least in the eyes of the average
Beholder. She be between 8 and 10.
Oh my God. Charles is made painfully aware
of this particular element in their mismatch.
For example, on a walk on a tour together in Australia in 1985
they went on a repeated walk about and when Charles climbed
out of the official car he would hear the crowds giving off
involuntary groan of disappointment as if they're on
the side if they were on the side that he rather than Diana
was set to Work he listened to the crowds and heard the
disappointment. Oh no, she's on the wrong side.
He lived the newspapers and stuff, photographs of Diana and
her dazzling smile, and contrasted them with the
cartoons of himself that never believe featured.
His protruding ears Diana was treated as an iconic Beauty, a
dream Prince has come true. He was regarded, he felt at best
as bit of a letdown at worst as a figure of fun.
He was disconcerted her and undermined by the fat uterus
remarks and it's insult. Rude comments, shouted out.
Esther's made plastic masks. We have about wounding Lee,
unnecessary things written in the papers about me excetera
with Camilla. Of course, none of these
problems will apply. Camilla is attractive and her
grooming, and her wardrobe, especially since her engagement
had been faultless, but her looks don't Dazzle blah, blah
blah. But yeah, I think it would be
kind of rough to be with someone where people are always saying,
why is she with him with his big ears?
At 5:00. I wouldn't say it's a five.
I wouldn't say that either. Actually, that's quite me.
I know normal-looking. I would say, I think he was
attractive attractive, I'm not, I think he's way more attractive
than the guy in the crown. Sorry.
I think he's more attractive than William.
Hmm, well, not young William. Now I think he's fun.
That's just this guy's opinion. Yeah, but I think if their
marriage was already Rocky and then all I don't know why.
Charles was reading the newspapers But already Rocky,
you're fighting all the time. Then everybody's saying like
she's so beautiful. We don't like you.
Like yeah. I feel like in a way and it's
wrong but he would resent Diana for that.
I think he did. Like I think if he loved her to
start, it would be like you're right.
She is way more. Beautiful.
I don't know what she's doing with me.
Yeah, but then if people are using that against you all the
time to make you feel worse about yourself, you would just
want nothing to do with that other person.
Person. I think he really did start to
resent her and he was trying to do all these Charities and stuff
and people just did not care. I care more about like her
outfits. What a weird complex that
Charles must have and he's literally prints and people do
not like him. That's like really literally
royalty. People don't care.
That's sign. I know, and it's not even like a
terrible person. It's just think he's like a
loser. Really don't think he's a
terrible person. But yeah, he was back to the
store. He was having an affair with
Camille at this point. Yeah, Charles would make stealth
visits to Camilla. He had one of his most devoted
retainers someone at work for him.
Make the 15-minute drive to Middle like house, where Camilla
lived and deliver notes packages and flowers.
Pick by Charles from the garden. Most of the time Charles and
Camilla would spend time at the home of friends because I was
like a safe place to be and this comes up later and the Camilla
gate tampon phone call. Which we will get to.
Yeah, so apparently Diana was shattered when she heard of
their friends complicity in. Charles's and Camilla's Affair.
Yeah, I guess a lot of people just like, went along with it
but sin to have made Diana, a tougher person.
Yeah, Diana did have her own Affairs at this time too.
But I think, you know, the question is, like who started
it? I think it probably was Charles.
Sounds like it was him. Yeah.
So she was totally and in my Okay, to be with other people.
I agree. What's the other person cheats?
Guys you can do whatever you want.
Yeah, yeah, I feel like we've established that, you know this
pod guy out. I mean if they're not stopping
it you might as well have some fun.
Yeah. The Press started paying
attention to how much time Charles and Diana spent apart
mmm being like oh he's here shears there.
They haven't been seen together in months or something.
They went to a wet a wedding and apparently Diana was on the
Dance Floor. Floor dancing with somebody else
and Charles and Camilla just like slipped out of the party
and left. Oh my God.
And seems like no one really was trying to care.
Like they weren't keeping up appearances anymore as well.
And he was quoted to a friend saying I just want to be with
her meaning Camila all the time. And another friend said he
fantasizes about escaping to Italy with Camilla and living in
Exile but it was just a dream. Hmm, But by Autumn, 1988 Affair
was starting to leak beyond their closest Circle.
Like I think the Press was catching her Camilla on pictures
and they didn't know who she was, but they were saying, like,
his female Confidant or whatever.
Yeah. As those tabloids do they come
up with, like, little nicknames for people.
Exactly his gal, pal, yeah. He's got, yeah, just Charles and
his gal pal, but he was still lonely.
I guess, like he didn't see Camilla all the time and she
made him happy with the happiness was dampened by their
marital. Options.
And he felt that Diana continue to drain him emotionally and
upstage him publicly. But apparently 1989, Diane
approach. Camilla at a birthday party and
ask her to leave, whose birthday, oh, leave Charles
alone. I'm not sure.
Just like a friend or something. Charles always kept Camilla out
of Harry and Williams site. And then in 1989, this is when a
sleepy, Relation between Charles and Camilla was recorded that
occurred around midnight on Sunday.
December 17th 1989, the tape became public four years later
for ever known is Camilla gate, but I'm going to return to it
when it comes out that makes sense.
I'm gonna get too into it yet but it's crazy.
It seems like people still don't know how it was taped or who
recorded it. Wait, that is very weird because
it's a phone call it is A phone call.
I know there's like this whole page in here.
It's like a footnote but takes up the entire page and really
small writing about how there's all this stuff about like was it
the government or they spying on the royal family?
And they said, no, it wasn't us. And they were saying it was a
private individual that somehow tapped their phones and like,
could it have been either of them, Camilla or you don't lie,
not know. Okay.
It like ruins don't lie. I have to look at the yeah.
Two people in question. No, I really don't think so.
Also. Starts like, in the middle.
It's like weird. I don't think someone was trying
to spy on them, to take down the royal family.
Wow. I know, all they got some good
juice. They're really did, and I feel
kind of bad sharing it because I know, Charles hated how invasive
the Press was and stuff, but I'm going to read the transcript, I
mean, it's all good. Yes, don't hate us.
Don't know how those again. Don't can't do that anymore with
your head. Kelly's actually a citizen of
Ireland. Wait, no.
You don't have control over. Yeah, that's true.
Northern Ireland to do. We're gonna give back to the
call when it comes out. But on June 28 1990 Charles is
playing Polo. In there was an accident, I
guess he fell off the horse and then another horse fell on top
of him and kicked him and he fractured his upper arm.
Oh, yeah. Camila race to the hospital to
his bedside on a good look. But Diana.
Didn't come till the next day. I know and apparently Dinah said
something like, do you think you might have learned your lesson
about Polo now? Like I don't know, she didn't
feel that bad for him. Hmm.
Camilla visited him while he healed and she would come with
other people and like, even her husband for covers really not
hiding it. Well, she brought other people
do it. She's bald.
And she would smoke on ashtrays that Charles provided for her,
which was sweet because Charles actually hated smoking and had
like a ban on it in the palace. But He let her smoke.
That's real. Yeah.
And she smoked like a back and say, wow, that's like she's got
that hot boys understandable and she taped a series of interviews
where she talked about it. They hadn't come out yet though.
I don't think and according to friends, Charles are acting
strangely like If we are probably the dinner table and he
would change the conversation whenever Diana was mentioned,
the Duchess of Devonshire just a random quote saying that.
Charles said he had no friends among his family apart from
Queen Mother his grandmother. Hmm.
I'm sure she's getting up there in age.
She was this family lives so long crazy.
Oh my gosh I just like Google pie.
What does the queen eat? Because it's crazy.
Their longevity is quite nice. I see, I mean even both of his
parents who are not too closely related, they are related to
each other though but they both lived very long as Dad.
I don't want it. Like 199 is what like 96 and
she's going on strong. She'd covid she bounced back
right after that incredibly I know yeah it's not 1992 prince.
Andrew and Sarah Ferguson. Fergie divorced in the same
year, Princess Anne and her husband mark UPS divorced.
Oh my God. Something's in the air.
Hmm. And it was a very upsetting year
for the queen and turns out both and and Market been unfaithful
and princess. And apparently had been cheating
with Andrew Parker, Bowles. Wow, small, where I know all
their old ones. Just swapping Partners.
I guess, Andrews really like Andrew Parker Bowles.
I know doesn't give a fuck. He just, he doesn't.
Apparently he There was even a part in one of the books was
like he didn't think much about the prince.
He was kind of just like honored to be hanging around with that
honestly. I think he was kind of shitty
guy but yeah he's chill. At the same time.
The queen is very very upset. Yeah about this.
Then the same year the Sunday Times published the first
installment of Diana her true story where she Really Prince
Charles and I'm terrible light. And the whole royal family.
Is that the interviewer she's like, well, there was three of
us I think so. Yeah, yeah.
And there were copies delivered to the palace and I guess when
Diane has spotted the copy, she rejected you retreated to her
room and Charles was reading it while he was eating breakfast
and was apparently silent. And there was an interior
designer. There Robert chyme, we said it
was horrific, oh my God within minutes.
Through the designer left, apparently, Diana was running
downstairs out, the car crying, and then Charles went out to the
Garden to pace around. Okay, I know that's like not fun
and like really bad but like oh drama I don't know.
It was it was a lot of drama you know.
Because yeah be heated about um apparently was a devastating, an
unprecedented blow to the entire Royal Family.
Yes I mean come on. They'll like think of like how
The high standards that like Elizabeth needed to have then
like all of her kids are just getting diviners.
They're cheating very upsetting. Yeah, I mean I would be pissed.
Rose Queen to me, she never says anything about how she feels.
Mmm, she keeps everything to herself.
Yeah. She just suffers in silence.
You know, that's and she thinks that's the way it should be.
And that's how she was forced to be.
Yeah. You just need to be stable, you
know, and then for this generation to be like just like
all over the Yeah, press doing worse now.
I mean, maybe it's the same but like making Mark old stuff but
yeah, I the queen was not happy. And I first Diana lied about
rotisserie in the book, she tried to say.
It wasn't true, but it was and the Queen and Prince Philip
summon, Charles, and Diana. And looks at them down, tried to
stay basically, like, can you work this out?
Like, stop fighting whatever, said, no.
Um, I don't know. They said, but Philip was
apparently, really angry? And like, raging and Charles was
mute. And And like their kids in
trouble. I know, reporters caught up to
Camilla when she was out of polo match with her husband and they
asked her about it and she said, I'm certainly not going to bury
myself away because of what the papers say, she said, absolutely
not. Why should I?
But she actually was like really rattled, mmm.
He fled to whale to save the friend and then she went to
Venice with her sister and the press found her, and they said
she looks tired. Pale Charles try to distract
himself by playing Polo and launching his Institute of
architecture around this time. Charles was advocating for a
leaner image for the monarchy reducing the number of royal
families eligible for the Civil list Alliance in a memo, he
wrote, he wondered. If Britain's believe that there
are too many members with money spent on them.
Hmm, just kind of respectable. I mean, they are.
I mean, the reason why the queen is so Stressed about this kind
of stuff is. A lot of people are trying to
just get rid of the monarchy. Like that makes sense.
They need to seem like they're good people, at least.
Yeah. And they're causing drama that.
Yeah. It was people a reason to say
like yeah, why do, why are we even supporting these people?
You know, I do think for Charles, it's very easy for you
to be like there's too many Royal members were making money
when you're like the heir to the throne.
Yeah you know like I know kind of fuck you if I'm your cousin
I'm gonna be pretty mad at you. No.
But I didn't think he has a point.
Yeah, I don't know how many people they did have on the
Civil list but I don't know. It's not fair, it's not fair,
the taxpayers money. Yeah.
Going to people who were just born into this and the main
people do do a lot. Like, basically every day, they
are opening things I museums or they're helping Charities are
there. Yeah, they do do a lot, they're
doing all these things, but I think some of the people in the
outskirts me. We aren't doing as much.
Yeah, I'm wrong but now I really don't think there are.
I'm sure he did piss people off though.
The he said that the Windsor Castle actually had a fire and
to pay for the repairs, they open some of it up for the
public for tours rather than use public money, which was like
very new at the time and I went to Windsor Castle had a good
time so thank you guys for doing that.
But yeah, it's interesting at this like time in history like
the early It seems like they're starting to feel the pressure to
spend less money. You know, they have to be a
little thriftier about things like they can't just get money
for everything anymore. Yeah.
So and I do have all these businesses that they're doing
and stuff. So I don't know.
Like the queen opens, our gift shop and which I also bought
something there, you're welcome. Camilla was asked about Charles
and Diana by reporter. And she said, if Something has
gone wrong. I'm very sorry for them, but I
know nothing more than the average person on the street.
I only know what? I see on television.
Hmm, obviously not true. I don't think so.
I guess she's just trying to protect yourself but obviously,
it's not true. Yeah.
She sounds media trainer. Yeah.
She does. There's really not many
interviews at all with Camilla. Like you can't find much about
her, it's crazy. So then after this whole, you
know, debacle with the Diane interview thing Jenny 17th 1993.
The Camilla gate tape came out, okay, I'm excited to hear the
entire transcript was printed in the Sunday Mirror.
It's spooky. No one knows who exactly
recorded it. So, I remember a couple of years
ago. I listened to it somehow.
I found it on YouTube or something.
You did too, right? Yeah.
But I could not find it. So it's time around.
I was looking everywhere. Wow, should have downloaded it.
I don't know if like because of the Crown's.
Somehow, the royal family was like.
Like, we gotta get that internationally, easy to find on
you too. That's so searching like crazy.
I did find a really small snippet, I guess I'll play it
just so you can hear like their voices but and if I do find it
like maybe I'll put it in but I couldn't find it okay Sunday
night without you All the way all the time.
All right. I mean wouldn't you do anything
that have this from Rob and Kristen or something?
My God, I would die. Oh yeah, I am, I don't want
something so tough there. I know this turbine.
Okay. So this is at midnight and it
seems like Charles is really sleepy.
So the author of the book Giles is guessing that he's lying in
bed while Camilo still up. Yeah, that makes sense.
That makes sense. Okay, so and you know, you're in
a Bish, Ins at that as well. Or quite low, okay.
Charles says, how am I going to like should I say?
Charles a goose that are just go back and can't do it man.
Okay, I'll try. I'm, his voice is like, I can't
do that, so that I don't have the secret as well, you know,
knock it off. So Charles says he thought he
might have gone a bit far, come on, says, oh well.
Anyway, you know that's the sort of thing one has to be aware of
and sort of feel one's way along with if you know what I mean.
Camilla says, hmm. You're awfully good at feeling
your way. Long Charles.
Oh stop. I want to feel my way.
A along, you all over you, an up-and-down, you, and in and
out, come on. Oh, Charles particularly in and
out, oh my God, Camilla. Oh, that's just what I need at
the moment. Is it Camilla inode revive me?
I can't bear Sunday night without you.
This is the part we just heard Charles.
Oh God. It's like that program.
Start of the week. I can't start the week without
you Charles. I fill up your tank.
Oh my God. Yes, you do.
Then you can coat then. I'm all right.
What about me? The trouble is I need you
several times a week all the time.
Camilla. Mmm.
So do II need. You all the week all the time?
Charles, oh God, I'll just live inside your trousers or
something. It would be much easier.
Oh my God. Camilla, what are you going to
turn into a pair of knickers for their laughing?
Oh, you're going to come back as a pair of knickers Charles or
God forbid at It's just my look, you laughs coming up.
You are a complete idiot. Oh, what a wonderful idea.
My luck to be tucked down the lavatory and going on and on
forever, swirling around on top, never going down.
Oh my god. Oh darling, until the next one
comes through or perhaps you could just come back.
It's a box what? Sort of box a box of Tampax you
could just keep going? That's true.
Repeating yourself. Oh Don.
I just want you now, you do. Mmm.
So do I threw up desperately desperately desperately?
Oh, I thought of you so much. It gonna be.
Did you simply mean? We couldn't be there together
desperate? If you could be here, I longed
to ask Nancy. Sometimes why don't you?
I daren't because I think she's in love with you.
Mmm she'd do anything, you asked Charles she'd tell all sorts of
people Camilla. No she wouldn't because Be much
too frightened of what you might say to her.
I think you've got, I'm afraid, it's a terrible thing to say,
but I think, you know, the sort of people feel very strongly
about you. You've got such a great hold
over her really enjoy, I think, as usual, your understand under
estimating yourself, but she might be terribly jealous or
something, Camilla. Oh huh.
Now that is a point. I wonder she might be I suppose
Turtles. You never know.
Do you Camilla know the little green-eyed monster might be
lurking inside her? No, but I mean, the thing is,
you're so good when people are so flattered to be taken into
your confidence. But I don't know they'd betray.
You, you know, real friends. Really, I don't gone to sleep.
No, I'm here. Darling.
Listen. I talked to David tonight,
again, it might not be any good. Oh no, I'll tell you why.
He's got these children. One of those Crawley girls and
their Nanny staying, he's going. I'm going to bring him again
tomorrow. He's going to try to put them
off till Friday, but I thought as an alternative, perhaps I
might bring up Charlie. Wait, who are these people?
They're trying So I think this is them trying to find a place
to go. Oh to do it I guess I don't know
because remember they apparently go to their friends houses or
yeah, it's so she's saying it's not going to work out with him
because he's got these children that are gonna be there.
Um, and Carla says, oh my God, I don't, I don't know if you just
means, then we can spend the night there and hang out or just
literally means have sex because she says and then we could and
And see if we could do it there. And I was back on Thursday.
Charles, it's quite a lot further away, Camilla.
Oh, is it? Charles won't I think coming
from Newmarket coming from Newmarket to me, at that time of
night, you're probably do it in two and three quarters takes me.
Three, Charles to what to him, but would know.
If more to go to boa to go forward with the same as me
really wow. Planning ahead Logistics of it
is not outside too. I mean to say you'd suggest
going to vote today. No, not at all which Charlie And
what Charlie did you think I was talking about?
I had no, because I thought you meant.
I've got lots. Somebody else.
I've got lots of friends called Charlie the other one patties.
Oh there. Oh, that's further away.
They're not, they've gone. I don't know.
It's just, you know, just a thought.
If I had felt through the other place.
Oh, right. Yeah, they go on.
What do you do? Go on the M25.
This is some, they like I'd want a religious experience.
That's kind of cool to read. Do they get back into, like, the
sexting of it? Ooh.
Okay. So talking about some species
working on and she says, can I have a copy of the one you've
just done? Yes, Camilla.
Can I, um, I'd like it, okay, I'll organize it darling.
But I, oh God. What am I going to speak to you?
I can't bear it. Um, Wednesday night.
Oh, certainly runs night. I'll be all alone, Wednesday.
You know the evening or Tuesday. Well, you're rushing around
doing things. I'll be, you know, alone until
it reappears in early Wednesday. Winning.
I'll be, I mean he'll be leaving 8:30.
Think that means Andrew Parker Bowles.
He won't be there. He won't be here.
Thursday, pray God. Um, that ambulance strike.
It's a terrible thing to say this I suppose it won't have
come to an end by Thursday. I know there's some strike going
on. It's so funny they're going on
trying to figure out how they're going to see each other and when
they're going to talk again it would be so wonderful have just
one night to set on our way. Wouldn't it Charles wouldn't it
to wish you a happy Christmas? Camilla happy.
Oh, don't let's think about Christmas.
I I can't bear it going to sleep because I think there's a long
pause. I think you'd better.
Don't you darling? Yes, darling.
I think you've exhausted Yourself by all that hard work.
You must go to sleep now. Darling.
Yes. Darling Camila says, will you
bring me when you wake up? Yes, it will.
Before have those Grandpa Jim children around.
It's Tom's birthday. Tomorrow.
You all right. I'm all right.
Come on says can I talk to you? I hope before those rampaging
children. What time do they come in?
Usually Tom wakes up at never wakes up at all, but Birthday
tomorrow. So they're like planning one
around Tokyo phone next. Melissa is, yeah, if you can
love you darling night, darling. I love you.
I love you too. I don't want to say goodbye that
was Charles. Well done for doing that.
You're clever old thing and off we go.
Good brain, lurking in there, isn't it?
Oh darling. I think you ought to give the
brain to rest now night night night, darling.
God bless. I do love you.
And I'm so proud of you. That's Camilla.
Charles, oh, I'm so proud of you don't be silly.
I've never achieved anything. Charles says, you have, come on.
No, you haven't. Charles.
My greatest achievement is to love me.
Oh my God. Dialing easier than falling off
chair. Charles, you suffer all those
indignities and tortures and calamities, Camilla.
Oh darling, don't be silly. I'd suffer anything for you.
That's the vesa strength of Love night night night.
Darling sounds as though you're dragging an enormous piece of
string behind with hundreds of 10 pots and cans attached to.
It must be a telephone night night.
Before the battery goes, blows a kiss night, keeps going
actually. Oh my God, there's a whole page
of love. Dude, I don't want to say
goodbye. Neither do I, but I must get
some sleep. Bye-bye, darling, I love you.
Bye. Hopefully, talk to you in the
morning, please. Bye.
I love you. Night night night.
Love you forever night. Goodbye.
My darling night night, night night.
Oh my God. Bye-bye.
Going by going gone night, press the button, going to press the
tit. All right, darling.
I wish you Pressing mine God. I wish it was harder and harder.
Oh my god. Oh, darling, night-night, I love
you. Love you.
Press the tip. Does Camilla adore you night
night night club wasn't kiss night.
Good night, my darling. I love you.
Oh my God, they're in love. I mean, that's love whatever
love is that's love. But I mean, real easy.
Hot, I'll be honest. I mean be caring this day when
you feel something that's strongly.
I know, they can't even say goodbye.
How are you? Yeah, I mean, how's it going to
walk away from them? I mean, that sounds like it's
like a drug almost. I'm sorry, but it's so cute.
There's like teenagers. It's sad but like never seen a
Loveless marriage. Feels that way for Camilla, I
can't believe that also the comment about like your be your
greatest achievement is loving me.
Sounds arrogant. It kind of is, but I feel like
he's trying to put himself down by that being like, I'm so
unlovable achievement is. Yeah, he doesn't have a way with
words, but honestly, that's handbags comments, Carl.
He's a little bit of a sex-starved.
Yeah. He is give me really good and
it's like Modern Age. Give me a box.
Yeah, just keep going. Oh my God.
He probably like Getting a good head.
Well looks shy to say, well my I just realized my mom's listen.
I don't know what that means. No.
I mean we just heard you did Charles.
Wow. Yeah I think it's just so cute.
They take forever as I could buy.
Like that. Is it?
That is adorable. Those people who have that bone
must have been like oh my God. So just like, I was so boring.
Yeah, Lou speak at this event. Yes, like, yeah.
But that is such a violation of privacy.
That is tough. I know, I am so sorry real if
you have this, but I do feel bad and really after they were
really freaked out and like, probably didn't have calls like
that. Yeah, I don't think they did.
I mean, they probably shouldn't be but I know the other book I
read the Sally. A metalsmith book said, the
terrible irony for Charles had spoken and written endlessly on
a behalf of his Myriad causes the words that would stick.
In the Public's mind would be his wish to live inside,
Camilla's trousers as a tampin, that's Elizabeth, must be so
mad. She was.
Yeah, I mean she doesn't show much emotion, but I'm pretty
sure she was like, that's it. Yeah.
Like are you? Yeah, this was huge though.
Like yours me five entire Night Live cartoons?
Mean, we were too young to remember but how embarrassing?
Like, how we weren't even like it.
But there's just like, if like a group of 10 people overheard
that conversation though. I know, I know people, they know
that even survived. That is crazy.
I love I'm gonna treasure this. I'm gonna just pull this book
out whenever I need a good mood and just read that.
Yeah. Yeah, it was a lot of it, but
Charles approval rating went way down how you do those polls.
Oh yeah. Istanbul approval, rating was
now too low for percent before he married Diana. 70 percent of
people said he was the most likable person in the room only.
How long is it ago for my God? Yeah. 4% or not?
They're loyal, must be the old lady.
Yeah. Yeah, this is this is bad.
Camilla had to stay in hiding after this and she felt like she
couldn't even call Charles because she was afraid.
Her phone was tapped and you see in the conversation how much
Camilla encourages him? She says so many times like, oh,
a big old Broner, you're proud of you.
Yeah. She and she says, like, all his
friends admire him and stuff like, she's just complimenting
him left and right think he needed a lot of.
Of assurance. Yeah, you know, it's just what
he needs. I have this quote from some
again. It's like an immediate family
member. Who I don't, is it true?
I don't know. But an immediate family member
apparently. Once told the author of Giles
that Charles has always needed a comforter.
What he gets from, Camilla is what he used to get from his
nurse. He never got that from Diana.
Yeah. Maybe think Love Languages.
Mmm. That's that's super important
for your Language. I just can't stop thinking about
the fact that him and I and only went on 13 days and then he goes
away for six months. That's basically reciting your
back. I know skinning, I know, it's
crazy. It just, it was not, didn't have
a good start. They and know it's sad, it's
tough because you can't really say too, like, oh, they
shouldn't have been together because now, you know, this,
Harry and William, and they have kids and like, it's, it's exempt
to be a guess. Yeah, exactly.
It is still so sad. Yeah.
So you know people really hated Charles and Camilla and a lot of
people still do because of this and Paparazzi is feet, following
them everywhere. And then there's that story
about women throwing rolls at Camilla, at a supermarket.
Yeah, which apparently wasn't true.
But it was believable because that's how much people hated
her. But, Charles went to the US and
he spoke at the College of William and Mary and The
audience greeted him. A cheers whistles & Applause and
standing in Innovation because apparently physically touched in
the Daily. Mail said he hadn't seen me.
Welcome like that in England for a long time.
Wow. Because I'm married in July.
Yeah, you dirty guy drama. He often felt like I think he
felt more liked in places like America and Australia for
whatever reason. Yeah.
And I feel like that's true here to like, Now like with the
younger Royals, I feel like I read things about people in
England, not liking them or whatever and literally really
like judgmental and Megan Marcos teams over there and like over
here, it's like people like her and yeah Charles and Diana we're
now basically living Separate Lives.
They basically had been whole time is still married and then
there was this broadcast of a TV documentary called Charles
private man, the public role. Two and a half hours long and he
had been filming this. He let this director.
Jonathan demme will be follow him around for a year and a half
to improve his reputation. And he hadn't been sure how to
approach the infidelity in the documentary.
So he decided to just be honest. So I'm going to play a clip.
Oh, good to see Charles's very Posh voice.
I know what I can say is that there is no truth in in in so
much of this speculation and this is Taco Bell's is a great
friend of mine and I have a large number of friends and
terribly lucky to have so many friends who I think are
wonderful and make the whole difference to my life which had
become intolerable otherwise and she has been a friend for very
long time and Along with a lot of other friends and will
continue to be a friend for very long time.
And I think also, most people probably would realize that when
marriage is breakdown awful and miserable as that.
He's that so often, you know, that it is your friends who are
the most important and helpful and understanding and
encouraging. Otherwise, you would go Stark
raving. Mad.
And that's what friends are for. Understandably, when your
marriage collapsed you form close friendships, you
re-establish close, friendships of whatever character that
friendship is. Where are you?
Did you try to be faithful and honorable to your wife when you
took on the vow of marriage is absolutely.
And you were, yes. Until it became irretrievably
broken down. A space.
Having tried. You've been very open about all
of this and what you've, what you've said do you now hope that
this issue and expect this issue to go away wood?
Is that what you hope will now happen?
Whatever those to be dead from everybody's point of view?
I mean, I do think many other people have to go through this
constant tension. Not just me, but others, you
know, when their marriage is breakdown.
I mean, as I've said before, it is A deeply regrettable thing to
happen but it does happen. And unfortunately in this case
it has happened and it's the last possible thing that I ever
wanted to happen. I'm not a total idiot.
I do unaware of all these problems that is those is this
business of predicting, what everybody would say it's not
something that I went into marriage, you know, with the
intention of this happening. Or in any way in a cynical frame
of mind. I mean, I I'm honest on the
whole not as cynical person. And, you know, I have I sighs
self-righteousness is about have on the whole tried.
I think to, to get it right constantly people scrutinizing.
I mean, it, it, I have always tried to get it right.
Try to do the right thing by everybody.
So you can imagine, it's not, it's not a very happy or
encouraging thing when this sort of business happened.
So on, It would be nice if you know if he could be over and
done with, I mean it has happened.
That is that is that regrettably?
Oh, I love when he was like, I mean, I'm not totally like
admitting that he's somewhat but I mean, he has a point like it's
not really at the end of the day, a unique situation.
So many people. There are just just do not work
out, and divorce is so normal. But for yeah, him he's held to
such a different standard from anybody else.
He's only Human is what he's trying to say.
If they were just like random people living out in the
countryside would be like hmm Nobody Till It's helped us such
a different standard. Yeah I do think it's sad when he
says like I tried to get it right?
Yeah I got to do the right thing.
I feel like that's where he went wrong.
I know, obviously it's nice to try to do right to other people
and right by the people, but you really can't live your life.
Trying to please people that way because it does later on just
lead to so many more problems like, it would have hurt Diana
to break up with her before the wedding or something.
But I think it would have hurt much less than.
Yeah. All this, you know?
Yeah, I mean you had to leave, lead your life with
authenticity. Hmm.
Try to get it right. Jaw do the right thing and I do
think it really does make him sad that the marriage didn't
work out like, where he's like it's an incredible thing.
Yeah, I didn't want this like yeah, I do believe him.
I genuinely believe him and trust him.
I believed him, too. I really do think he was like a
romantic and he is very religious to.
I don't think he ever wanted to get divorced.
I don't know. I do think at the end of the day
is just very bad match and he probably should have known a
little better because he's older.
But She's getting pressured by people, you know.
Yeah. And it's not something that none
of us can understand. Yeah, apparently, 14 million
people watched this confession and did not go.
Well yeah, honesty did not earn him points of the public at all
earned him points with me. Honestly, why did he admit it on
TV? Apparently Camilla had wanted
him to avoid discussing their Affair but he was determined to
connect. Correct.
The misconception that Unfaithful from the start Takin
trips. And yes, people, probably
everybody was saying he was treating the whole time, then
1995, January, 10th, Camilla and Andrew announced their divorce,
finally hmmm and fun fact. I sold their house to the
drummer of Pink Floyd. Oh wow, I don't know.
I know Camilla moved five miles away to a picturesque English
Village lacock and but boss probably.
Friends. But a Stone House on 27 acres
and Charles took to took charge of refurbishing her garden and
he had a security system installed and he also made his
staff available to her, okay. So then in like an act of random
guessing your something Dan and sat down for her.
For our interview, for our interview TV interview, I think
this is actually the interviewer.
She says, there were three of us in the yeah, that sounds great.
And it came out on Charles birthday God.
Sobbing, I know, 47th birthday, November 14th. 15 million people
watched this so million more than Charles is.
Wow, yeah, she said, the thing about the marriage been crowded
and she also expressed doubts about Charles being able to rain
and this was the last straw for the queen.
Mmm, she swiftly sent letters to Diana and Charles and requested
that they divorce as soon as possible.
Why haven't they already living? Like just not allowed to think
they weren't allowed to, and I think I do think Charles was
always kind of afraid to make decisions without his mom
leaving, but I think he thought he would couldn't or some.
Yeah, I wonder if he ever would have.
If his mother didn't tell him to do apparently, his that's funny.
Because I just can't do it. This is completely against
everything I believe but you need to divide.
Yeah. Because a she was like also
Religious and didn't want them to get divorced.
But yeah, apparently her letters were polite but firm and to
Diana she signed it with love from Mama.
Oh wow, it's custody. It is sweet.
She always surprises you that Queen Elizabeth.
He's like a bad lady. Even like I don't think she's
badly to even hear me. And Megan are like, you know, we
love the queen. We're not bashing the queen,
she's not bad. I think she is just very There's
about role as Queen and it's maybe not the most like
approachable person. Yeah, comfy.
But I don't think she's a mean, person that coldness has been
like indoctrinated into her since like she was a child.
Can't blame her for that. Yeah, it's all connected.
So the terms of Charles and Diana's settlement was announced
July 12. 1996 now. Charles and Camilla were both
divorced, but neither were free because like everybody hated
them. And they for, you know, they
needed approval of the people and Charles couldn't just start
like dating Camilla because everybody hated her and Charles
issued a statement saying, he had no intention to remarry and
I think he probably meant it. I think he probably thought that
wasn't really an option for him. Yeah, Camilla's basically on
house arrest since then his interview, she had to use
backdoors sneak around and Charles hid under a blanket in
the back seat of a car when he visited her.
Wow. Wow, you know, and love British
tabloids were really intense about Charles and Camilla, like
they would have a capital letter titles like bed of sin.
Wow. They hated the loose but he
didn't and this is when operation PB begin.
What does that same operation? Parker-bowles, apparently, they
called her mrs. P be like around.
Palace. Oh Alice.
Yeah. Mrs. P b.
So they're trying to get rid of her.
No. Actually this is someone that I
think Charles hired or something named Mike Boland and he became
mrs. P bees private secretary and
executed a long-term campaign to improve her Public Image.
Wow, operation PB. Which is that entail?
Well, get into it. Well, generate a Chinese 7.
There was a televised debate about the monarchy And just
between people, I don't know about like, should we have more
Nikki ever? And I guess when her name was
mentioned the audience booed Pork that is low.
So, for operation PB, it was a long slow process.
There are strategic about having her at some things, and not
others. Her mother had died of
osteoporosis, I guess. So, she started getting really
involved with the osteoporosis society and her and her sister
held an event for them July 1997.
So that was like, a good moment for her, you know, it went well
and then July 18th, they sell Charles and Camilla celebrated,
her birthday. So this is like, you know, the
debate or people boot her was January.
Now this is July, they had a party and they're openly like
intimate. I don't know what that means.
Like, I don't know if they're okay.
I don't think they're kissing or anything, but I think they were
just like together at this party and like it went, okay?
Diana was following operation pebes progress.
I don't know if she knew it was official thing or if she was
just like keeping her eye on Camilla, but her and Charles
relationship was actually like a little better when they saw.
So each other. Yeah, now that they were
divorced, but she still showed some Mischief apparently at a
party charity cocktail event in New York City.
She wore a gold link bracelet that had interlocking sees and
she pointed to the class and said to people, this is for
Charles and that is for Camilla and everybody laughed.
Yeah. Camilla was still not invited to
Royal events even though I guess.
Technically she was like his girlfriend but yeah, I was
invited to things. But she did have a little
Success New Yorker published an affectionate portrait of her
describing her self-deprecating humor and how she'd answer the
phone Rottweiler here for Diana's nickname about her.
The author Patty. Oh the author of The Articles
said I think about about Charles and Camilla said you know after
all these years they're just happy to breathe the same air.
Hmm which is sweet. That is sweet because I was
nervous that maybe Part of the appeal for them, was that it was
an affair and that that would die down - they were free to be
with each other. I was worried about that too
doesn't seem like it. Luckily, I think that's not the
case. Mmm.
Okay. And then I got a pivot from all
the fun and everything because Then it takes term for tragedy,
latest of the sign of the cross. Yeah, August 31st, 1997.
Diana was in a limousine with her current boyfriend.
Dodi fade, right? Um, and it crashed, it instantly
killed Dodie and the driver. And then she was taken to the
hospital and passed away. She was only 36 years old.
So sad. And it's actually crazy because
in we're not recording exactly. But in two days it's the 25th
year anniversary I guess of her death.
Wow. So it's very sad.
I know and it's completely shocking.
I mean we I was only like two and a half or something.
So I didn't remember it but the time but Charles is said to have
been distraught and he let his sons.
I think he heard the news but then he let his sons sleep.
You had the television removed from their sitting room and when
they woke up at 7:15 a.m. he told them what had happened.
Doug must have been truly Brandel.
It's so sad. It's, he flew to Paris to bring
Diana's body back and on the Queen's order to be treated as
royal family and they held a Royal Funeral for her.
And he did worry that, the Press would blame him for her death.
Well, people do think that they killed her like, Charles, People
just think that, like, the royal family, like, the queen
included. Oh, yeah, I really don't.
I don't think so either. I mean, come on.
Like, you know, I mean, this is what I'm gonna move on.
Yeah, I don't think so. I think it was just a terrible
accident. And they mean, the Press I think
killed her. Yeah, I can't lie.
Apparently Charles Charles, apparently, William and Harry.
When they were little, literally thought they killed her
depressed like beat her to death or something, but they were like
being chased and trying to escape Paparazzi and stuff.
So it's not really dangerous situation.
Yeah, it's really sad and I do I feel bad like and even going
ahead like, yeah, Charles and Camilla are still together.
Is today and part of you and I bet Charles and Camilla kind of
feel this way. Like feel a little bad that
Diana died. You know.
Yeah. That they got to have.
They're like happy ending. You know.
It's like a weird thing. Yeah.
Cuz I think she would have had such a great life.
If had she not had died like I am optimistic.
She would have found someone else.
Yeah. Had a good, mmm.
Love Story. Been a great mom like like had a
lot of success and it is really tragic.
It is so true. Heard that story ended only like
at that point in her life. There's so much unfinished.
It's horrible. It's so sad.
She was so young. I love your mouth.
I love you cow. I know, I'm just scared to die.
Oh, I can't believe in me, even I'm gonna die.
Sometimes I want to make a collage of like, just everyone,
I care about, who's died. Just from, just to look at me.
Like, that's really sweet. I can do it, too.
You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.
That's really even someone as young and cool, and loved and
fresh and just everything is Diana.
Like she I know I know we're gonna to, you know, I know.
So guys live every day? No it's kind of hard to live
like I hope she had a good day in Paris, you know?
Yeah she was. I mean I'm guessing she's with
Dodie. I think it was a new love type
of thing. I hope she had a good day.
Yeah so tragic and I do really feel bad for Charles having a
That news to his boy know, and he did really love his boys.
I mean, I think that what's he like as a father, I didn't put
too much about because there's just so much information.
I didn't put too much about them in here, but I do think he's a
good dad. And I do think that after
Diana's death. I feel like the three of them.
You know, we're really close. Yeah.
They are things like today. Him and William are like best
friend. Doing all.
The guys will stop. Yeah.
Seems like he's a strange. I'm Harry.
I would say, I don't know, I don't know the details that have
to read read a book about it. But after this, though, after
this happened it was like, okay, operation PB is going to take a
lot longer than we thought. Like we can't have Charles out
and about like, oh no, I'm so bad.
I'm having fun with Camilla. So they kind of had they took a
few steps back after this. A year after Diana's death, he
made the first of his first of half dozen.
Okay. So I guess six weight first.
Yeah, I'm like cows. Got to the Eastern Orthodox
Monastery. Monastic Enclave on Mount Athos.
There's like a monastery and he's basically just going to
focus on his spirituality and he lived Monastery lifestyle,
practicing each With prayer, sharing meals with the monks and
having service at night. We pray for hours and it was a
place. You could be as old fashioned as
he liked. That's sweet.
I bet he was like trying to work through all this.
Yeah, he's doing the work. He's doing the work, finally.
Yes, he's doing the work as they say.
Yeah, he did bring us out of like phone, though, to
communicate with Camilla. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Or else he gets proposed to her all those years.
So yeah. So he had to be cautious about
resuming public life with her. Hmm, one of his top officials
said, apparently, this is kind of gossipy but said she wears
the pants and he would tell you that but see that's what he
should have been saying about Diana.
So that show So he really does just love Camilla.
Yeah. And the guy, it was Marc Bolan
the like PR person was doing operation PB said that Camilla
was more attuned to the real world and most people around the
prince, but that Camilla was kind of in an enigma the
preferred to cultivate some mystery.
She had no need to explain herself or beg for approval.
I do think she's an enigma, I still can't ya out and there's
like you go on YouTube. There's not much about Camilla.
There's like one recent interview weird her but like
osteoporosis because we're sleeping on it like to shave
off. Oh no, she just like, does that
charity because we're mom. Yeah.
Now there's one other where she's talking about, I think she
did some cause for like sexual assault or something that's
good. She's just very chill.
And like my ears, he's like, not really getting attention and she
doesn't. Yeah, but I think that still
even to this day, they're like in their 70s.
Yeah, they are. Fraid to Governor to come out
and like, have her talk because people will hate her.
Oh yeah, that makes sense. Um, she still out this time,
this is 998, smoked a pack and a half a day and but spilled the
ash trees of her antique table, she still hadn't been introduced
to William and Harry, but apparently 19 months after
Diana's death. I think William came into the
drawing-room at York house and saw her there.
I don't really know anything more about that William and
Harry hadn't been interested in meeting Camilla.
It's painful. But one day Charles is a first
step. He invited Camille has kids over
her two kids and they hung out with William and Harry and they
had fun. I guess.
Oh wow. So two months later.
William said he was ready to meet Camilla and Camilla was so
nervous. I guess she was like shaking.
Wow. And I don't know if it was just
her and William or I don't know if Charles is there.
I But it was only half hour, but they had small talk over tea and
soft drinks. I guess it went well, the after
Camilla left, she gasped and said, I really need a gin and
tonic that does sound stressed. Yeah, but she met William two
more times, the following month and then Harry soon after.
And did they really? I don't even think of it like
this, with their blended. Family like Harry.
And these are, I'm have step-siblings.
Yeah, I know, I didn't really know anything about them.
I'm yeah. So sorry.
I forget. Come on.
His daughter's wedding. I know her son is Tom, but like
I was looking at pictures and you can like, see Tom and some
pictures so I'm like, oh, that's interesting.
Yeah. Um, a Buckingham Palace Source
said this is 98 that the queen has not and will not formally
meet with Camilla. She will not even appear at the
same social function. Wow, they're wasting time at
Charles. 50th birthday party. Camilla was nearby, but always
out of frame. This was her first appearance at
like an official Royal public engagement though, but they
avoided talking to each other all evening in the queen and
Prince Philip were not there because of I think so.
Wow, it's so dramatic. Like the links, they go to, I
know it and like just to know that they do even if they do end
up together like just, let's go. Stop this, you know, January
28th, 1999 Thursday. I don't know.
I have that deal. They made their first public
appearance as a couple. It only lasted 20 seconds.
They're leaving the Ritz hotel for her sister's birthday.
I guess, people knew they were going to be there.
So we're all these there, like, 200 photographers waiting
outside, they just walked outside the hotel.
He smiled and she bowed her head slightly, he lightly touched her
arm before she climbed into the car and he walked around to the
other side. So very subtle.
Mmm. Yeah, but that was like their
first appearance, family. Joan Rivers had befriended.
Camilla. Wow, I know, I can see it and
rivers said I got what she was about, which is full of fun,
wicked sense of humor. And this is in a very good way.
Rough Around the Edges. He's got to be so formal.
I just love that. There's someone who could be
Rowdy with him and silly with him and normal with him, that's
sweet. Yeah, I know by May 2000.
Now 44 percent of public said, Ed Charles, and Camilla soup
should wed. So still more than half, people
say they shouldn't but it's getting up.
It's getting up there. Operation, PV they planned her
first face-to-face encounter with the queen since the 80s.
Wow, this is 2000. Now, I can't believe they had
not interact. I know it was not a barbecue for
Charles's cousin Constantine. 60th birthdays.
It's like kind of those day. Yeah.
The Queen smiled and Camilla curtsied.
Okay, that's it. That's really not.
I know breaking the ice there, BBC called Camilla His companion
and she continued to be excluded from occasions.
We all know what's going on. There's actually this Tick Tock
audio right now. That's like everybody knows.
Everybody knows that he fucks you and my God.
People do it like about siblings in the folders commercial?
Oh yeah, it was like, people that you think are yes.
Yeah, this is like trying to pretend it's not happening, I
don't know. But there's even this funeral of
his longtime Mentor, Derek Hill because you hit it like he had
all these older friend. Yeah.
Even at the funeral at the church Camilla was five fused
behind Charles so awkward, you know?
It's sad like they can't be together.
June 26, 2001 was their first kiss, not really obvious.
But it was at an osteoporosis to society event.
Camila was hosting a benefit for them.
Charles arrived walked out of his limousine and mouth.
Hello. You and kissed her on the cheek.
So it's we make s'mores my heart.
She was asked about her future with Charles, by Marc Bolan The
Guiding operation PB and she said, she had no idea about the
future, he pushed further. And she said that many friends
around her were unhappily, married or single and lonely.
She said, then there's me Me, I can't really complain and don't
and probably happier than all of them.
However, complicated it may be so they're happy, I guess.
Yeah. Now 50 percent of British people
by 2002 that proved earlier getting married.
Yeah. And later that year, the Church
of England voted to allow divorced couples to remarry in
the church. Oh, deal.
It's very confusing to me. I always thought the church
England was okay with divorce. Yeah, that that's the reason why
they broke him out. So, Catholicism.
I don't know. I guess I'm just ignorant and
don't know. Yeah, this detail you guys
wanted the freedom to do this. Yeah, I guess it's very like
apparently. It's still?
No, no, yeah. Just be confusing.
Um, okay, this is a turning point, though.
Charles and Camilla were invited to the wedding of Charles is
God's son. Edward band Cuts, mm, he's
friends with the van Cuts them, family the parents.
Yeah. And Only a couple days before.
The ceremony Camilla's status was demoted and choose move to
the back of the church to avoid offending the queen.
Wow. And Camilla was so embarrassed
that she said she couldn't attend and Charles side with her
and he didn't go either. And then at this point it was
like, okay she's my, you know, partner like she's my love my
life, like she can't be treated this way.
Yeah. Like go to the back of the
church. Like so he started talking to
his roulades about how he could marry.
Camilla and one issue was the church wedding.
Apparently, he wanted a real religious ceremony but the
Archbishop of Canterbury where I lived it out because it would
offend, many Anglican. I don't know.
I want me to defend many Anglican priest and parishioners
and there was also the issue of what Camilla's title would be
with people and accept her as a princess because that was soon
as title. Yeah, or someday Queen.
I just have two random note about 2005 that This is one
Harry lashed out at Paparazzi and more his Nazi costume.
Oh yeah, that was bad. But that's why he did it.
No. In the same year, he lashed out
of Paparazzi and then the same year, he went to a party dressed
as a man, has a Halloween party actually wasn't Halloween.
Oh, even worse. I mean, it's bad either way.
But why did he do this even worse?
It was a party. That was themed.
I wish I had the other book with me.
The theme was called something like Natives and colonizers or
That's a terrible beauty, it wasn't colonizers, it was like
native, I don't think that was the word, but it was like, you
get the gist, it's a very controversial feel very
comfortable and then he dressed as a Nazi but still not.
See, I know good dresses. I mean, it's still
controversial. I'm not saying I support this
theme but it could have been like, a pilgrim or something to
party dressed as a knot and then get like a red Solo cup and then
be like, Like drinking and playing beer pong and having
fun, when your little dress isn't on.
See ya Harry, that's for ya. Houses.
Keynotes house is very upset and he's upset with William because
apparently, William knew he was gonna go as a not seeing, like
didn't stop him. So yeah, how does was Harry when
he did that. I mean, it was stupid, was he
born? Oh no.
Don't I don't know what. He's, what's 889.
Yeah, he was like a teenager or are like 20.
Something but that has nothing to do with anything but I just
put it in. Look, there's another Charles
was like that. It was yeah, really stupid.
Poor Queen. Cheers still living through.
All this drum. I know Harry had the whole like
naked and big. Yes stuff.
Yeah. I'm people forgave Harry for
that. I will say, yeah.
They can't forget his dad. I know honestly, what Harry did
was kind of Don't worry some ways?
Just kidding. I mean, it was bad there.
It's sometimes one day, it was just one day and it was stupid.
It was a bad theme. And I do hate when people go to
parties and don't follow the theme.
That's true, but you should not have weird judgment.
Maybe he thought like, oh, you know, people dresses, the devil
people dresses, villains. I'm gonna be a villain.
Yeah. But some fans not but yeah, no,
I don't know, in to generate Knows that.
Yeah. However, let's leave biggest
mistake. Yeah.
These mistake. Yeah.
So then February 10th, 2005. The evening standard announced
Charles and Camilla has engagement.
Because I remember in London, they used to hand out the
standard and the evening standard on the street.
They were like these free newspapers was so cool.
They have are just walking on the street and I just would hand
his newspaper and you read it. So it's cool to imagine you're
just in London and then you get handed this A paper and says
they're engaged and what was the 2005?
You 2005? Wow.
I can't believe it's taken that. I know it's supposed to be
announced on Valentine's Day, but apparently it was the actor
something. Yeah, I guess Camilla would have
the right to be called Princess of Wales.
But out of respect for Diana she and Charles agreed to, instead
be known as Duchess of Cornwall. And that is what she's known as
today and when he became quicking she would be This
concert titled never used before.
Hmm, but very recently, I guess the queen decided should be
Queen console. Yeah, it seems like camel has
really grown on the family. She has something she has so
they had their wedding plan. But apparently Pope, John Paul,
the second died. I remember them April 2nd and
the funeral meant. He had to postpone meant Charles
had to postpone the wedding and I don't really know why I like
he had to a funeral. I do.
Not quite get it, but that's okay.
I guess it's just like a big public figure.
Yeah, that's really. He's a prince Pope.
Yeah, probably knew each other and yeah, I can now.
So they finally got married or is Camilla said, just two old
people getting hitched. It's a small ceremony in front
of Twenty Eight family members in an unpretentious Ask got room
at guildhall which I did Google what that was and it's like a
town hall in Windsor basically. So they didn't have like a big.
Yeah. When did the queen go?
The queen did go. Yeah did William and Harry.
Yeah, there were there may be upset because it's like watching
some footage of it like when they walked out on YouTube and
everybody in the comments was like oh this wedding is
horrible. Like compare it disappointing
that to Diana. It's like there's only 200
people there. No one cares.
Yeah. It doesn't honor respect though.
Yeah. Like don't they just laughable?
If they had a huge lavish wedding and they're like late
50s and it's a A second marriage, even regular people
usually don't do that. Yay.
Now, your second marriage is usually a little quieter Loki.
Yeah, so I, it was bugging me. That everyone was like saying,
said something about Camilla that.
Oh, cuz she also wasn't wearing a tiara.
She had like this weird hat thing.
But, you know, if it did have a big wedding.
Yeah, it would have gotten way more.
Yeah, they feel like this taste. Yeah.
Nobody wants to see this. So there's a lose-lose situation
but I think they had a great wedding great day.
I think they're just happy, they left arm and arm.
Camilla gave her first Royal wave.
Then they took a limousine to Windsor Castle and they'd had a
chapel service with 800 guests. So that was pretty big.
Yeah, 800. I feel like for us all a lot.
You have like 150. It's like, oh, that's a big
wedding. Yeah, I'm doing.
They didn't end up. You're having like the Church
wedding is like a town hall. Then a chapel thing the battle
Smith book said following his divorce.
And perhaps does he perhaps deserved credit for resisting?
The tendency of so many men of his generation to date a much
younger woman. Instead, he stood by the woman
who had captured his heart as young man, whom he adored
wrinkles in all for what she was inside.
I think that sums it up me, too. I mean, it's hard to hate them
when they really just love each other.
Day one, and still. Apparently, the queen said at
the wedding, I'm very proud and wish them.
Well, my son is home and dry with the woman.
He loves is very sweet. That's sweet that she finally
accept. I know if they didn't just say
that she had to be a virgin, I was really go.
I know if we receive them so much embarrassment.
Yeah, I know. So yeah, any in 2007, the queen
gave Camilla her. Special hand-painted, brooch of
The Sovereign. Oh, that's a gesture.
It seems like she has accepted her.
I'm just random note that Charles because he, I mean, I
think it's cool, he's been called kind of like an activist
King. He just gets.
So he starts all these Charities and events and things, and I
just think it's funny. He literally launched a trust
for the endangered red squirrel in 2009.
Oh, oh, that's really sweet. That just shows you the kind of
guy he is, um, and he has reached the uncomfortable
Milestone of the longest. Wait to take the throne.
Yeah, seriously. Yeah, it's crazy.
He might never know. It makes me sad.
I mean I don't American obviously of no stadiums like I
can't say that I have a very short.
Yeah. But I do want him to be get get
to be king. I just I feel like he's been
preparing for so long and It's frustrating.
Probably within the next five years, you know, Brad, yeah.
Wow, I'll be excited cuz I'm invested now, I know, but I'm
into it now without to Die. The queen respected Camilla's
willingness in middle age to take on busy royal schedule,
despite Camilla's reputation apparently for being
monumentally lazy in the nicest way.
Possible. According to mark, bolland,
Yeah. Operation PB guy and she had her
first on record interview in 2013 and she said the thing I
don't know if that's even true, but she's them.
The thing is, he's moving, Charles not going to stop at
this age. He never ever stops working.
He's exhausting. I'm hopping up and down and
saying, darling. Do you think we could have a bit
of, you know, peace and quiet and enjoy yourselves?
Be always, have to finish something.
He's so in the zone. Hmm.
And today, so in 2015, only 35, Five percent of public.
The public approved of canola, becoming Queen.
Yeah, but today, apparently 73%. Yeah, who cares.
Yes honestly, yeah. And now, yeah, as I said, as we
said the queen now said, she'll be Queen consort when Charles,
becoming and Charles and Camilla are still together to this day.
Literally 50, exactly your since they first met.
Wow. I mean, that's impressive and
the end, Well, I have, I realize you never gave us the three
words. Just we forget about that, I
know. So in love.
So in we have to remember to do that, I know I know that's this
is the first couple we've done. That is still together.
That's so true. So I guess.
Yeah. With our percentage for if we
think they're going to stay together, I think is 100% 102.
We're going to get divorced, even if their marriage became
irretrievably broken down, as Charles said they did.
So you wouldn't believe that after all that, I couldn't go
through that. I know they like then after all
of that they can't be together. I don't think so.
They still seem really cute. I have like some video clips.
I don't know if I'll post them on her Instagram or something.
By the way, where significant lovers on Instagram.
I don't boss yet. We post very cute black and
white pictures of everybody and videos and stuff.
But there's just something comes of them like recently you know
they're in their 70s and they're still so cute.
Like there's one of them, they went to Canada.
And there were these throat, singers performing for them and
they just start like giggling and it seems like they can't
stop. And they're trying to stop,
there is one of them. I think they're in Ireland.
And they go to a pub or something.
It's like some big official event, like, people are taking
pictures and they have a pint of Guinness, which apparently
Charles doesn't like beer, but they have Guinness, and he takes
a drink, and then there's foam on his nose and she like points
out to him and they're laughing. And like I know they see, Cute.
That's what they can laugh together.
That really, that is a secret to a good relationship.
Hmm. Yep.
Being playful laughter. They went to the.
I just don't know. I was watching all these clips.
They went to the premiere of no time to die that James Bond.
Yeah it was like think I loves you guys.
Yeah, and it was so weird for me to see Charles and Camilla
talking to Billy Island. Wait one like mmmm.
That's so funny likewise, like, it's ugly.
I was yeah. What?
Wow? Like, just two very different
world, I know. Yeah, I think they seem cute
together and there's still I should I should pay do sue me.
I ship it. I think they were meant to be
together, and I think that does not take away from the fact that
Diana was a wonderful woman and was treated.
Unfairly. Yeah, and deserved better, but
Charles he was never gonna be the husband that Diana deserved.
I'm like, really obsessed with them now.
No i-i'll. Uh, guys.
Maybe I want to meet them. I wanted to spy on.
Do you think they're in their own names on Spotify?
I mean, it kind of obsessed with image and when people yeah, you
know operation PB it worked on us, we will help you out.
Yeah honestly. What if we like literally I
think the narrative right now, it doesn't podcasts.
All right? We could seriously, could we
could and like suddenly people start shipping them and yeah.
After all this time, people didn't know, they're lovable
couple, they are. Yeah, it's kind of weird that
like no one's taking that angle. I'm sure some people have.
But a couple of people on YouTube comments that are like,
I've grown fond of Charles and Camilla.
Yeah thumbs up. Let's popularize it.
Yeah guys, 50 years of love I mean, and Counting a lot of
people can't do that. But I do Wonder, like what their
relationship have been the same if they didn't have the same
trials and tribulations that they needed in order to get to
that point like that did that help them kind of you can never
know the answer, those kind of questions, but maybe I don't
know. Like, maybe they became the
people. They are now because of
everything they want their. Yeah, exactly.
It's like, I don't know, Charles is very uncertain about things
and stuff and he only did things Things, this mom said to lot of
people had to, but if you remember, like the whole the
wedding thing when she got pushed the back, he was finally
ready to make a decision himself and be like, okay, like yeah,
this is not gonna happen anymore.
Like, I need to marry her, you know, proud of him.
I really, this is kind of why I don't believe that like, the
royal family was like, really like had - like intentions
against Diana, like, towards the end or anything like that.
Because like just the way that like the queen does show,
Maturity, to be able to like change her opinion on Camila,
after all that time, like, she hated Camilla.
But I don't even know if she did hate Camilla.
I think she just really wants to keep the monarchy intact.
He feels like cautious. It's a literally
thousand-year-old and isn't a thousand years.
Like, you don't want to be responsible for ending it.
I think she felt like she can't be associating with somebody.
See that the public doesn't like or that you know, doesn't want
the royal family to seem like they're immoral or something.
So huge pressure. Yeah.
Well, they don't think the queen like literally hated her or
meant anything by it. She just felt like it wasn't
okay to be in the same room was, that's understand only when it
sounds really harsh. But I don't think she's like an
evil person or I wonder if the Monarch ever will collapse.
Probably who's it? Going to be It's kind of like
you don't wanna be the one left. Look, my friend writer, he was
in a I probably was it was it was in a fraternity in college
that was like not super popular and it started dwindling
dwindling and when the fraternity finally collapse it
was like him and one other person.
I'm sorry I've been all these alumni were like Let It Die that
isn't sending. Yeah, I do You think I don't
know if you ask me to pass, you probably would have said like oh
it shouldn't exist but I shouldn't get into this.
I have I have nothing to do with this but I do think it is kind
of cool to have this tradition and I do think maybe you could
spend less money on them but like just this lineage they
don't get involved in things. It's like a stability, you know.
No, I like it. I don't think they should get
rid of fit but that's just me. You don't need as many members.
I don't think that like Andrew prince, Andrew.
I think you should just not even be like I'd be pissed if my tax
money was going to him is it still?
I don't still feeling on it. I want to say that guy's I don't
really know but I feel we could Google.
I thought that they had cut him off.
I think they'd at least revoked something stuff.
Yeah, Bobby pissed. I bet you something his
daughters like I know Beatrice and whatever.
Yes. Do they really need to be?
I know benefiting from the monarchy anymore.
I'm sure they'd be influencers. I'm sure they would get money
somehow. Anyway.
Yeah. Just the know.
Just the association with it. Yeah, they would have
connections. I could hook them up with a job.
Yeah, I'm sure they still get like an inheritance or whatever.
Hmm, I don't know, but Kelly, great job with that episode.
That was really good, very entertaining, a long.
How long is it? Let me guess.
Right? What?
Two hours and 17 minutes longer to 49?
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