1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:08,119 Are you lonesome tonight? Do you miss me tonight? 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:17,320 Are you sorry we drifted apart? Does your man? 3 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,240 Hi guys. Where? 4 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,480 Back Thank you for listening to significant lovers. 5 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:30,080 We are a true love podcast. I am Mel. 6 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:34,000 Yes, and I'm Kel. And we're two cousins. 7 00:00:34,480 --> 00:00:38,840 We are True Love podcast, but today it's also like a true 8 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:44,200 crime podcast because we are covering the infamous Gypsy Rose 9 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:50,000 Blanchard and marriage and relationship with a guy named 10 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,800 Ryan Anderson who she met while she was in prison. 11 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,800 Wow. Yeah, I was gonna. 12 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,400 Say that maybe, maybe I haven't looked into it. 13 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,920 Maybe he's distant cousin. Yeah, this is our first true 14 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:12,040 crime adjacent episode, so I wonder if this will attract any 15 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,640 true crime people. Yeah, welcome, guys. 16 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,560 So I am hosting today's episode, telling Kelly all about their 17 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,320 relationship. I am getting over being sick, so 18 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:24,960 my voice is a little shaky at times. 19 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:27,000 It might sound like I'm crying, you know? 20 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,120 Maybe that's fitting given some of the storyline that we're 21 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,160 going to get into, but. Yeah, I'm not. 22 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,280 No worries. Yeah, but we don't need to 23 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,960 comment about how it sounds like Mel's crying. 24 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:41,920 Just kidding. I don't think anybody was going 25 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,440 to do that anyway. But Cal, have you been following 26 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,040 Gypsy Rose at all? Not no, not really. 27 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:53,240 I have to admit I don't follow true crime stories generally 28 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,560 because it creeps me out too much, but it is interesting. 29 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,480 I did look her up a while ago and read about it, but I don't 30 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,440 know anything about her relationship really, so I have a 31 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,880 lot to learn. I didn't know much about it 32 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,280 either. I knew about Gypsy Rose from 33 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,919 that Hulu series. I actually didn't watch it. 34 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,080 The one with Joey King. But oh, what's it called? 35 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:19,320 The ACT and it's a it's like a limited series. 36 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,440 Joey King. I feel like she looks a lot like 37 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,760 her. It's also starring, what's her 38 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,920 name? Patricia Gosh. 39 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:27,440 Arquette. Yeah, yeah. 40 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,480 It's only Patricia. Yeah, so that's how I first 41 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,040 learned about Gypsy Rose, but I didn't really know what. 42 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,320 I feel like. People now are suddenly so 43 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,720 obsessed with her now that she just recently got out of prison. 44 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,960 I didn't know that she was married or anything. 45 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,120 I didn't know how old she was. So this episode, I'll say 46 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,840 there's a lot of back story with her, not a lot of back story 47 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,120 with her husband. That's OK. 48 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,920 That happens sometimes. But before we get into the 49 00:02:53,920 --> 00:02:57,320 episode, you know, on the podcast we've talked a lot about 50 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:02,520 how mental health can affect relationships and we recently 51 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,280 learned of an organization that is doing a lot of important work 52 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:11,600 to combat OCD in relationships. Yeah, it's called no CD. 53 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:15,960 And you know, OCD is more than what you see on TV and in the 54 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,840 movies. If you imagine having unwanted 55 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,720 thoughts about your relationship stuck in your head all day, no 56 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,680 matter how hard you try to make them go away, that's 57 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:29,000 relationship OCD, which I feel like is a less known about type 58 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,680 of OCD, but it comes with unrelenting intrusive images, 59 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,160 thoughts and urges about your partner, a loved one. 60 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:39,240 And breaking the OCD cycle takes effective treatment. 61 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:45,200 You can go to no CD, so that's NOCD dot com to get evidence 62 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:49,200 based treatment. And on no CD you can book a call 63 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,880 with a face to face licensed therapist. 64 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,160 And no CD is sponsored by most insurance companies. 65 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,840 So yeah, it's a really cool organization that I feel like 66 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,680 it's pretty relevant to our show and anybody that's struggling 67 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,240 with a breakup. If you know someone, a loved one 68 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:10,400 that is maybe having issues with relationship OCD, then you 69 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:15,360 should tell them about no CD. But the three words that I would 70 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,480 use to describe them, I didn't come up with this beforehand, so 71 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,720 I'm coming up with it on the spot. 72 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:27,720 But I would say rushed all right, awkward. 73 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:33,240 Oh, and supportive. Oh. 74 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:37,320 Ended with the positive one. I thought it was going to be a 75 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:43,200 -1, like jeez. No, I think they are supportive 76 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:47,800 of each other. But yeah, OK, our girl, Gypsy, 77 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:54,800 she's had quite a life. She was born back in 1991, July 78 00:04:54,800 --> 00:05:00,400 22nd in Golden Meadow, LA. Her mom, Dee Dee Blanchard, was 79 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,880 24 years old and her dad Rod was 17. 80 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:09,040 And yeah, and Dee Dee. I think Dee Dee had lied about 81 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:15,520 her age when she met Rod and they she got married or she got 82 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,440 pregnant only three months into dating. 83 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,600 Wow. And so then Rod felt obligated 84 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,280 to marry her. But then he woke up on his 18th 85 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:26,920 birthday and realized that he was in love with the He thought 86 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:28,920 he was married to a woman that he wasn't in love with. 87 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,560 And he said, you know, I'm sorry, Dee Dee, I can't do this. 88 00:05:33,840 --> 00:05:37,080 They got divorced. I think he still stayed a 89 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,320 presence in Gypsy's life a little bit. 90 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,080 He seems like a really nice guy, but he was so young. 91 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:49,800 And I think that Dee Dee, Gypsy's mom, alienated her from 92 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:54,800 her dad. I could see that I think little. 93 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,200 I know. I think she was very. 94 00:05:56,200 --> 00:06:00,000 Heartbroken by it, six months later, Rod began dating a woman 95 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,360 named Christy, who would later become Gypsy's stepmother, and 96 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:04,880 they would go on to have two children. 97 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,040 So Gypsy has two half siblings who are like 10 years younger 98 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,640 than her, but Gypsy. She was born a perfectly healthy 99 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,680 child, but when she was a few months old, her mother told Rod 100 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,880 that she had Gypsy, had sleep apnea and was having seizures 101 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,560 and had problems with her saliva glands. 102 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,560 And as she got older, the list of supposedly ailments grew and 103 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,880 DD claimed that Gypsy had muscular dystrophy and had to 104 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,480 use a wheelchair. And she also claimed that Gypsy 105 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,240 had leukemia and would have to she would shave Gypsy's head in 106 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,040 order to give her the appearance, like she was 107 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,360 undergoing chemotherapy. But she didn't have any of these 108 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:46,880 conditions, and instead Gypsy was the victim of Munchausen 109 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,480 syndrome by proxy, which is when a caretaker. 110 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:52,960 Manipulates it, makes it somebody. 111 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:57,200 Yeah, convinces them that they have physical health issues that 112 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,560 they don't really have. A lot of times they're doing it 113 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,200 for sympathy or attention, or to control the other person. 114 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,120 Dee Dee would purposely give gypsy medication to make her 115 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,480 have allergic reactions in order to trigger reactions that mimic 116 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,320 actual health conditions. And that made her. 117 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,400 So messed up. So messed up. 118 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:22,200 It's real fucked up. Would you say that her mother 119 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,800 has Munchausen's? Is that how that works? 120 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,920 And then Gypsy Rose has it by proxy? 121 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,400 Or what does the mother have as her mental illness? 122 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,760 Because clearly she has one. Yeah, I think. 123 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:35,600 I think that's what it is. I think it's also called 124 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,360 fictitious disease syndrome or something. 125 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,120 I mean, her mother definitely had that. 126 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,640 And in thinking about this, where I'm like, how much was her 127 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,600 mother? On some level, her mom was aware 128 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,800 that Gypsy wasn't really sick. If the doctor caught on to it or 129 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,760 family members caught on to it, the mom would just go to a 130 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,240 different doctor and then later on. 131 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,960 So so Dee Dee and Gypsy lived with Dee Dee's parents, the 132 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,880 grandparents. But once they caught on to the 133 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,560 fact that Gypsy wasn't really sick, she moved away. 134 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,520 And the fam, they moved to Missouri. 135 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,680 Wow. So she must have known that 136 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,680 Gypsy was actually healthy. But how did she consciously know 137 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,040 that she was purposely doing this? 138 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,640 I'm not sure. Yeah, what the heck. 139 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,640 I can kind of understand someone's urge to pretend that 140 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:33,480 they're sick to get sympathy. But it is just beyond 141 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,559 understanding to, like, purposefully meddle with someone 142 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,080 and make it look like they're sick when they're not. 143 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,159 Yeah. I could see maybe overreacting. 144 00:08:43,159 --> 00:08:46,680 And if your kid has like, the sniffles, you know, then for 145 00:08:46,680 --> 00:08:51,160 attention, unconsciously jumping to conclusions like they have a 146 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,560 disease, but to like actually give her medication and shave 147 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:57,240 her head and stuff, like that's so deliberate, yeah. 148 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,840 And I think part of the reason also might have been for 149 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:05,560 attention from Gypsy's father, because he always praised Dee 150 00:09:05,560 --> 00:09:07,000 Dee for being such a good mother. 151 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,040 Because Dee Dee came across like she was so doting, like people 152 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,840 in the community loved her. Because, you know, she seemed 153 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,480 like the sweet mother who would do anything for her child and 154 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,120 was taking her to all these doctors appointments and 155 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,760 homeschooling her. And she seemed like a St. to 156 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,760 people, but did you? She was so good at manipulating 157 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,840 doctors that Gypsy actually underwent several unnecessary 158 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,320 surgeries, including getting a feeding tube put in and the 159 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,640 removal of her saliva glands, which led her teeth to rot out 160 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,600 and she had to get all of her teeth removed. 161 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,440 Oh my God. Yeah, what the heck. 162 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,240 Really messed up. I could also see if a parent 163 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,080 yeah, their kid is sick and they're overprotective and they 164 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,160 go to the doctors and the doctors say, oh, there's nothing 165 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:50,680 wrong and they're like, no, that's not true. 166 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:53,240 There is like, I know there's something wrong because they 167 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,520 want to protect them. But in this case it was just on 168 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,320 a whole nother level. And also, but like I said, 169 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,440 Gypsies health issues garnered a lot of sympathy for the mother 170 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,080 daughter duo. On the surface, they seemed 171 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:11,880 really close and Gypsy had this very pure childlike spirit well 172 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,960 into her teens. She was very into Disney 173 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:20,080 princesses and fairy tales. She has this very soft spoken 174 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:25,440 voice like fairy tales do exist and just seems so innocent. 175 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,680 And they moved to Missouri after Hurricane Katrina. 176 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,800 And it's believed that the real reason they moved was, like I 177 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,680 said, because Dee Dee's family was becoming skeptical of 178 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:43,320 Gypsy's health issues. But also using Hurricane King 179 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,520 Katrina as an excuse allowed Dee Dee to explain away missing 180 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,680 medical records when she went to the doctors. 181 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:52,920 Oh my God. Obviously on that level she is 182 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:57,360 must be aware that she's doing this and being manipulative and 183 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,280 this move isolated Gypsy from her father even more. 184 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,800 Didi would speak very poorly about him too, so kind of 185 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:09,200 distance Gypsy from him. And he was a normal guy like and 186 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,160 it's unfortunate because it hindered her from having a 187 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,800 normal, you know, parental unit in her life at all. 188 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:21,920 Yeah. I know Didi would also lie to 189 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,680 Gypsy about her age when she was a teenager, to the point where 190 00:11:24,680 --> 00:11:26,920 Gypsy didn't even know how old she was. 191 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:32,160 When Gypsy was 19 years old, she thought she was, I think, 15 or 192 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:33,840 16. She had no. 193 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,720 Idea that she. Was an adult. 194 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,680 Which is crazy like at some point you must know your real 195 00:11:38,680 --> 00:11:41,480 age. So she just must have been so 196 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,560 manipulative that like, the years could pass. 197 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:45,080 Or it's like, wait. But. 198 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:45,760 Didn't. So was she? 199 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,080 Never. She was never in school. 200 00:11:48,680 --> 00:11:52,960 No, she was homeschooled. Yeah, I guess that makes sense 201 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,280 because I feel like that'd be hard to not know if you're in. 202 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:56,760 School. But yeah, exactly. 203 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,560 That's true. Yeah. 204 00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:00,640 So she had no friends growing up either. 205 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,080 And so Dee Dee, she would also use physical abuse to manipulate 206 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:07,640 Gypsy. She would hold her hand in 207 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:13,200 public and squeeze it if Gypsy said something wrong, and she 208 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,600 would strike her with clothes, clothing, hangers at home when 209 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,360 they got home if she said anything. 210 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:24,240 In 2009, an an anonymous tip was submitted to the authorities 211 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:27,640 that Gypsy was being abused and social workers even visited the 212 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:29,400 home. But Dee Dee was so good at 213 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,440 manipulating them that they just left. 214 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,560 I wonder who sent that? I know, I'm not sure. 215 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:40,240 Good on them, whoever it was. It seems like Didi's family, 216 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,960 like her mom and dad, said that they didn't even that. 217 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,280 I think they said they flushed her ashes down the toilet when 218 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,640 she died. So I they really. 219 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:49,560 Didn't. Oh my God, so. 220 00:12:49,560 --> 00:12:51,120 I think they knew that she was her. 221 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:52,720 Parents. Said that, yeah. 222 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,160 What? I think so. 223 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,800 That's crazy. That's weird though. 224 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,800 Like, I mean, I just need to know more because how did she 225 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,720 even turn out this fucked up? I mean, that's a whole other 226 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,680 conversation. Like, can a kid just turn out so 227 00:13:10,680 --> 00:13:12,840 fucked up without any influence from you? 228 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,960 You know what I mean? Like can you have a kid that is 229 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,200 just like evil and has nothing to do with the how you raise 230 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:22,080 them you? Know. 231 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,680 No. I think that they probably also 232 00:13:24,680 --> 00:13:26,880 were not giving her the attention that she needed 233 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,560 growing up and that's why she sought it out in these ways 234 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:32,560 afterwards. Yeah, I mean, I I feel like, 235 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,040 yeah, there's got to be something weird with the 236 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,160 grandparents too, because that's a even despite everything that 237 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:43,880 happened, like to flush your own kids ashes, that's just that's 238 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:45,520 fucked up. But anyway. 239 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,440 Yeah, it's crazy. So Gypsy started to gain more 240 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,040 independence as she got older, and she also really started to 241 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,200 desire romance. You know, like I said, she was 242 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,680 really obsessed with Disney princesses, and she was obsessed 243 00:13:57,680 --> 00:14:00,400 with the idea of a Prince coming and saving her. 244 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,560 However, Didi for Didi forbid Gypsy from talking to boys and 245 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:08,120 told her that she'd never be able to have love or a romantic 246 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:09,600 relationship in her life. Oh. 247 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,520 My gosh. Which only made Gypsy want it 248 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,080 more. So then when Gypsy was around 249 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:20,480 19, she met a boy at a sci-fi convention and her mother found 250 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,600 out and smashed the computer so that Gypsy wouldn't be able to 251 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,760 talk to him and she actually physically restrained. 252 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,760 Oh, sorry. No worries. 253 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,080 Poor Mel. Wait, do you remember this song? 254 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:39,080 Mel, try to run away with the Gypsy Woman. 255 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:43,440 Yes, I do. Caitlin, my sister, was playing 256 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:48,280 the CD in the car that she made wicked long time ago, and that 257 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:49,560 was on it. It's by the. 258 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:54,000 God. And relevant because Gypsy Rose, 259 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:55,800 first of all, OK, I don't. I don't want to. 260 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,480 I'm sorry if someone listening, if this is your name and Gypsy 261 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,560 Rose yourself. If you're listening, I'm sorry, 262 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,120 but I questioned the mother's decision to name her Gypsy. 263 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,840 Oh yeah, it's weird. I actually, Oh my God, she named 264 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,960 her after character. I think I read the reason why 265 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,440 she was named Gypsy, but I didn't write it down. 266 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,480 I think she was named after somebody. 267 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:24,040 But yeah, it is interesting because gyp, well, Gypsy is also 268 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:28,520 like an offensive term that you're not supposed to stay 269 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:32,880 anymore. But it does mean someone who is 270 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,880 deceptive, right? Kind of. 271 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,160 I guess so. I mean, I always think of it as 272 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:43,000 more like a traveller, like a bohemian person. 273 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,560 But yeah, that's true. Like that is 1 perception. 274 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,320 Yeah. So that is interesting because 275 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,520 the mom is deceptive. Exactly. 276 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,120 And in some way, Gypsy was deceptive with her mother. 277 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,880 Like Gypsy was catching on to the fact that she wasn't really 278 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:03,560 sick and was playing into this role, but it was a means of 279 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,400 survival because like I said, her mother would strike her if 280 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,640 she acted out. So she didn't know any 281 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:10,480 differently. And. 282 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,240 She obviously had no money or like, I'm guessing she never had 283 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,120 a job. So especially if she thought she 284 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:21,480 was like 14, like how would she get a job at a exactly store or 285 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:22,840 something? Yeah. 286 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,200 Exactly so. Like I said, after that sci-fi 287 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,880 convention, her mother smashed the computer so she wouldn't 288 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:33,320 talk to any boys and restrain Gypsy to the bed, and she denied 289 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,240 her food. And Dee Dee told Gypsy that she 290 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,320 had filed paperwork stating that she was mentally incompetent and 291 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,600 that if she ever went to the police, nobody would believe 292 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,160 her. Oh my gosh. 293 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,800 But Gypsy somehow was able to join a Christian dating site, 294 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,560 and she must have had a different computer. 295 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:58,320 And on that site she met a man named Nicholas God John, and she 296 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,680 confided in him about her mother's abuse and asked him to 297 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,560 kill her mother so that they could be together. 298 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:10,040 Had they met in person yet? I don't think so, I think. 299 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,599 OK. But they eventually did meet in 300 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:15,480 person. I didn't really research their 301 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,040 relationship too much, so, but Nicholas, he had a history of 302 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:23,040 mental health issues and he was also autistic and some believe 303 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:23,560 that. Gypsy. 304 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,560 Manipulated him into conducting the murder on her behalf. 305 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:34,480 He was really so in love with Gypsy and like he saw himself as 306 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,280 saving her. But what were you going to say 307 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,360 about that? I don't know, like, I just, I I 308 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:42,880 guess I feel bad if he's autistic that that adds a whole 309 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:46,080 other level to it. But I don't really. 310 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,160 Yeah, that makes it hard. I don't know how severe his 311 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,960 autism is. It's hard to get mad at people 312 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:57,120 when they have mental struggles or issues like this. 313 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,720 So I don't know. But I would say that it's hard 314 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:04,800 for me to like absolve someone from murder to say like, oh I 315 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,400 was manipulated like how? I don't know. 316 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:11,240 I I I can't even think of one reason that could. 317 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,480 You know what I mean? Like it's it's a decision that 318 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,800 you made. It's a huge step to do something 319 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,760 like that that. Yeah. 320 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,160 I don't know. I feel like I I just don't know 321 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,440 how someone could manipulate you that much that you think that 322 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,040 that's like nothing to do. And then later you can say like 323 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,640 I didn't mean to or you know. What I mean, yeah, no, I agree. 324 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:36,000 I mean, that was his defense on the stand was that, you know, 325 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:42,680 his defense team said that he was not in the, like mentally, I 326 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:48,080 don't know, independent enough to have done something like that 327 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:49,480 on his own. And that he was easily 328 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,000 influenced by Gypsy and that they made it seem like she was 329 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,240 really manipulative and it was her idea. 330 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,840 And, you know, he just went along with it because he loved 331 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,200 her so much. But, you know, she was asked 332 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,800 about this later and she said, you know, you know, because she 333 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:06,360 ended up getting 10 years in prison for second degree murder 334 00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:09,360 and he got life in prison without the possibility of 335 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:11,560 parole. And so she was asked, and she 336 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,360 felt guilty that he's going to be locked out for the rest of 337 00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:17,480 his life when it was her idea. And she said, well, he is the 338 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,800 one that did it, You know, he he made that decision. 339 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,080 But. Yeah. 340 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:26,480 He wouldn't have done it if she didn't tell him to do it. 341 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,520 So that is the complicated part of that I'm. 342 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,560 Guessing they didn't know each other that well, right? 343 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,640 Or did they? They did have a sexual 344 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,040 relationship and they did say that they were in love and that 345 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,520 they were doing this so that they could be together. 346 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,520 How did she sneak around her mom and do that? 347 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,520 I don't know. That's a real good question. 348 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:58,520 I like I said, I didn't research the actual back story too much. 349 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:04,040 But in June 2015 is when the murder happened. 350 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,880 And this was a very highly planned murder. 351 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,240 Like, it wasn't just impulsive, They really did plan it. 352 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:15,880 Together, he killed Dee Dee by stabbing her to death 17 times. 353 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,280 While Gypsy was in the next room. 354 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,080 And then immediately afterwards they posted to Facebook the 355 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:26,440 bitch is dead and then they went in the next room and they had 356 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,920 sex and then they fled the scene. 357 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,880 So, like, there's a lot of fucked up shit going on. 358 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:36,480 And like, I feel a lot of sympathy for Gypsy with the way 359 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,960 her mother treated her, but. Like. 360 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,400 This is fucked. Up like it is. 361 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,280 Because I it just hurts me. Like, what if her mom got 362 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,120 treatment for whatever was wrong with her and like, she could 363 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:51,200 have changed maybe? I mean, what she did was 364 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:55,600 horrible, but murders never right, you know? 365 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:01,200 I know, but I mean, Gypsy, I don't know if she knew that 366 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,840 there was another way out. It's like we can't say like if 367 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,520 you were in her situation what we would do. 368 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,880 Like all she if she was so isolated and all she knew were 369 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,600 movies where. That's how people exactly. 370 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,800 Problems and I don't know, I I think that she had a very warped 371 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,680 sense of the world. So that's true. 372 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,400 Yeah, and actually, like when she went to prison, she gained 373 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,320 weight. Usually when people go to prison 374 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:30,560 they lose weight, which just showed, you know, the judge how 375 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:37,560 abused she was, that she was so malnourished when she was like, 376 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,640 she really looked like she was like a young child when she was 377 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,920 23 years old. That's insane. 378 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,600 Ryan's back story is a lot shorter. 379 00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:52,120 I don't know anything about him. He's from Lake Charles, LA. 380 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:55,760 He works as a middle school social studies teacher and 381 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,160 before meeting Gypsy, he was helping to financially support 382 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:04,240 and raise his nephew with his mother, and Gypsy has described 383 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:09,400 him as being soft, goofy and having a calming presence and a 384 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,960 fire D. Oh my God. 385 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,840 That's all I know. That's all I know about the guy. 386 00:22:19,360 --> 00:22:22,680 I'll also say he's like, maybe 300 lbs. 387 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,640 Oh really? Wow. 388 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:32,480 Just eyeballing it to just help you visualize him. 389 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:38,120 OK, so back in 2017, Ryan watched the HBO documentary film 390 00:22:38,120 --> 00:22:42,000 Mommy Dead and Dearest and thought to himself, gosh, she's 391 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,480 cute and Gypsy story really struck stuck with him. 392 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,160 So then he watched the Hulu series, The ACT, which is based 393 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,840 on Her Life, which came out in 2019. 394 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,760 And more or less, it's just like a true crime case that he's very 395 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:01,240 interested in at this time in the prison confessions, he said. 396 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,800 I felt sad for her. I felt like I couldn't judge her 397 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,560 for that. I understood why she did it. 398 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,400 You know, Gypsy felt this was the only way out. 399 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:14,680 But before meeting Ryan in 2018, Gypsy was actually engaged to 400 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,000 another man named Ken, who had written to her in prison. 401 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:23,720 What? And they became pen pals and 402 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,400 would talk on the phone regularly. 403 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:30,840 And then he proposed in October 2018, and Gypsy revealed in the 404 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:36,040 Lifetime documentary The Prison Confessions that he was her 405 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,880 first great love and that she gave him her that he gave her 406 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:45,400 her first passionate kiss. However, Ken was a very private 407 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,880 person, and after the Hulu series came out in 2019 about 408 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,760 Gypsy's life, he felt uncomfortable about the scrutiny 409 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,200 into his own life and didn't want the spotlight. 410 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,880 So they broke up and Gypsy was very, very heartbroken. 411 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,920 What about her other boyfriend? The one who killed their mom. 412 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,960 Yeah. Yeah, they didn't speak after 413 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:09,640 that. Wow. 414 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,880 He's in prison for life. Wow, I wonder how he feels. 415 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,680 I know I would be kind of pissed off. 416 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,360 Yeah, well, her gypsies, parole, she's not allowed to speak to 417 00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:24,000 him. Oh, really? 418 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,720 Yeah. So wait, why is that? 419 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,360 I don't know. You probably don't. 420 00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:32,600 Know I think that's often the case though, that when someone 421 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,480 commits a crime, once they get paroled, they're not allowed to 422 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,040 speak to either their victim or like the person they perpetuated 423 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:46,360 like committed the crime with. But yeah, and Gypsy did testify 424 00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:51,240 as a witness in Nicholas's case to try to help him get off, but 425 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,640 it didn't work. That's a tough situation because 426 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,280 I feel like to help yourself to help him would be harming 427 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,400 yourself. I know, but I think at that 428 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,480 point she had already gotten her sentence, so she was already in 429 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,600 prison, so she was testifying, basically just saying it was her 430 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,680 idea. Anyway, apparently Gypsy and Ken 431 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,320 got back together in 2019 and planned to get married in 2020, 432 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,800 but they ended up breaking up again because Ken didn't want to 433 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,880 be in the spotlight. So then it's 2020 and it was the 434 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,440 height of lockdown and Tiger King was the show that everyone 435 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:30,880 was watching, and Ryan's friend wanted to write to Joe Exotic, 436 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,400 and Ryan said OK, I'll make a deal with you. 437 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,160 You write Tiger King and I'll write Gypsy Rose Blanchard, and 438 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,480 he's later said. I remember telling her what her 439 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,400 story meant to me, and on the second page I just let her have 440 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,240 it. I told her everything about me, 441 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,880 about the letter, she said. The thing that stuck out the 442 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,480 most about Ryan's letter is not only how genuine he came across, 443 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,200 but also how, like, how funny he is. 444 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,800 His sense of humor was great, and I just fibed with that 445 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,920 really well. And in the prison Confessions, 446 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,520 Gypsy also said that she thought the fact that Ryan was devoting 447 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,480 his life to raising his nephew was a good sign that he'd make a 448 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,360 great father someday. And apparently Gypsy had 449 00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:13,920 received 250 letters from potential suitors while in 450 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,640 prison. But she. 451 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,320 Liked. That Ryan was from her home 452 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:24,880 state of Louisiana 2. 150. Yeah, and this got me thinking. 453 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,840 Like, what possesses people to write inmates? 454 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,320 Like, we know that this is a really popular phenomenon with 455 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,400 serial killers, like happened with Charles Banson, Ted Bundy, 456 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,480 the Night Stalker, Richard Ramirez and John Wayne Gacy, and 457 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,360 all of them ended up having love while in prison. 458 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,080 It's crazy. It's like, I almost don't want 459 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,320 to say this on the podcast, 'cause I don't want to inspire 460 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,720 any lonely people. Like, if you commit a really bad 461 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,840 crime, millions of people, not millions, but like hundreds of 462 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,560 crazy people, are going to write to you. 463 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,120 Yeah, don't do it. But like it happens to people, 464 00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:04,440 especially the bigger the more, more notorious their crime is. 465 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,400 Like, I'm sure people ran like the Boston bomber. 466 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,520 It's crazy. What do you think? 467 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,600 Well, OK, so I was looking into this and there's a woman named 468 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,640 Sheila Eisenberg and she wrote a book called Women Who Love Men 469 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,640 Who Kill. And it's about it's about women 470 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:25,000 who write to men in prison. And that's because that's just a 471 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,800 more common phenomenon. I think the reason partially is 472 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,200 because. More men kill. 473 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,360 Yeah, men kill. Yeah, exactly. 474 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,440 I mean women are only I look up looked up stats for this women 475 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:43,280 are only 5% of the prison population and men the offenders 476 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,720 of murdered 90% of the time. So it's just. 477 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,520 Like, I didn't know it was that dramatic. 478 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:51,520 Holy. Crap. 479 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,800 It's kind of. And I think a lot of the time 480 00:27:53,800 --> 00:28:00,880 when women are murderers, it's self-defense or not murderers. 481 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:05,800 But wow, Yeah. And but also gender norms kind 482 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,000 of plays into that as well. One reason this might be is 483 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,480 because of stereotypes that women are, you know, caregivers 484 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,160 and nurturers and empathetics. So society might be more 485 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,440 accepting of them, extending compassion and forgiveness to 486 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:25,080 men who've committed crimes, even though I think it's crazy. 487 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,760 But this woman, this author, she interviewed women and 488 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,040 psychiatrists and lawyers and social workers and prison guards 489 00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:36,800 to better understand this phenomenon and why it happens. 490 00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:40,720 And she said these are women. Well, first of all, she said 491 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,440 that they all come from different backgrounds, like the 492 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,360 kind of people who might do this, but the one common thing 493 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,160 is that they're all damaged in some way, she said. 494 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:51,960 These are women who've been hurt. 495 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,640 And when you're in a relationship with a man in 496 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,800 prison, he's in prison. He's not going to hurt you. 497 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,800 He can't hurt you. So you're always in a state of 498 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,480 control because you're the one who's on the outside. 499 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,960 You're free. You go in and visit them. 500 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,920 You can decide whether to accept his collect phone calls. 501 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,440 So in a way, Oh my God, the sirens outsider paid actor. 502 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,240 So in a way, even though cons are very manipulative, it's 503 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,760 still up to the woman to decide how far she wants to go. 504 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,920 And she knows she can't be hurt, right? 505 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,960 But I think this applies to men as well. 506 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,880 I would imagine that the type of man who would write to a woman 507 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,800 in prison is probably someone who has been chronically hurt by 508 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,000 women in the past. Might be one of those nice guys, 509 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:43,080 finished last types of guys and he finds himself wanting the 510 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,560 power of being a saviour figure for a woman. 511 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,920 Yeah. Which is perfect because Gypsy 512 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,440 has fantasized about this knight in shining armour fantasy her 513 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,600 whole life and. Yeah. 514 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,760 So someone like Ryan writing to her, this is his opportunity to 515 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,040 be that for a girl when maybe his options are limited in real 516 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,160 life. And Gypsy's story is so 517 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,240 different from somebody like Charles Manson. 518 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,000 I mean, no one really sees Charles Manson as like, oh, poor 519 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,560 thing, you know, Like, you know, he's a really bad guy. 520 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,240 But like with Gypsy, there is room to sympathize with her and 521 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,160 think that she's been, it's yeah, she's been trapped her 522 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,520 whole life and she's trapped again in prison. 523 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,920 And it it's definitely more of like a saviour thing. 524 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,640 Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, no. 525 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:37,520 I mean, she still seems very innocent, even though she was. 526 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,520 Yeah. Responsible for a murder, she 527 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,720 said. In the prison confessions, my 528 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,920 mother always told me I would never find love for myself, I 529 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,760 would never find happiness with another person. 530 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,920 But that didn't stop me from trying. 531 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,760 So I wrote him back. And then Ryan was on his lunch 532 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,600 break at school and opened his inbox to an e-mail from Gypsy, 533 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,320 requesting him to e-mail her back. 534 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,360 And he was absolutely shocked because he did not expect that 535 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,520 she would write him. And then he went back into the 536 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,440 office at school and told his Co workers and asked everyone what 537 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,200 he should do. And per his friend's advice, he 538 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,800 replied and wrote a really lengthy e-mail basically about 539 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:20,120 his whole life. And from the documentary, it 540 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,920 seems like because Gypsy was a very public figure, simply 541 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,240 getting response from her made him feel incredibly special. 542 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,720 In the documentary, he keeps repeating, what made you choose 543 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,400 me like that? It seems like he is not someone 544 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,040 who got a lot of attention from women. 545 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,520 And so, like, I don't want to say, like, he doesn't really 546 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:49,080 care about Gypsy as the person she is, but I think Gypsy, the 547 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:54,280 celebrity in a way, was really so exciting for him. 548 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,000 Right. Understandable. 549 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,000 And then starting in May 2020, they would start writing letters 550 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,840 back and forth to each other. Wow. 551 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,440 But after a year and a a year and two months, Ryan finally 552 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,840 visited Gypsy in prison for the first time. 553 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,280 He lived in Louisiana, so it was a 14 hour drive. 554 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,440 But still, that's a really long time, a year and a half. 555 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,560 Yeah, yeah. But it is far. 556 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,440 Yeah. And I guess it was the pandemic 557 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,560 too. Yeah, might have been pools 558 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:26,960 about 10. Hours. 559 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,360 Yeah. No, Yeah. 560 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,680 During the pandemic it definitely was like, I mean I 561 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,280 don't know if this would get in the way of his love, but it 562 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:40,280 definitely was like a no no to travel far to see people so 563 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:41,800 also. Might not have been allowed, not 564 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,120 that I'm thinking of it. Maybe so they finally met. 565 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:52,400 Yes, after first meeting, Gypsy said. 566 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,960 I walked into the room and I thought, wow, he's a lot more 567 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,480 handsome than in the pictures. So we had four hours to sit and 568 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,680 talk together. We had this connection that 569 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,680 seems so seamless, so easy. This is something I never 570 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,040 thought that I would have after everything that has happened. 571 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,120 But it's interesting she says that because she did have that 572 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,880 with somebody else. That's true. 573 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,560 And he broke up with her and she was heartbroken and she said 574 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,240 that he was her first great love. 575 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,320 So I feel like she's kind of changing the film a little bit. 576 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,680 Maybe after that ended she had, like, given up, Yeah. 577 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,440 Maybe that's true. Be in love. 578 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,320 I feel like I've have. I have felt that way after all 579 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,280 my breakups. Like I'm never going to find 580 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,960 love again. That is so. 581 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,520 Four months after first meeting, Gypsy called Ryan and asked him 582 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,360 where he wanted the relationship to go, She said. 583 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,720 After meeting you, I can say I have romantic feelings for you. 584 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,720 I was a little smitten with you. And so then, on Ryan's third 585 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,920 visit to the prison, he snuck in an engagement ring. 586 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,400 Oh my God. Wearing it around his neck as a 587 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:02,080 necklace and after getting engaged, Gypsy called her 588 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,360 stepmom Christy to tell her the news. 589 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,760 And Christy went silent for a full 30 seconds. 590 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,280 And then she said don't get married. 591 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,600 And she encouraged Gypsy to live with Ryan 1st, to see where 592 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,199 things would go and to not rush into it. 593 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,800 But one of the stipulations of being on parole is that you 594 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,400 cannot live with someone who's not a family member. 595 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,360 So there was a logistical reason why Gypsy wanted to marry him. 596 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,360 But. I do. 597 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,960 Think they didn't really have to live together, I guess, while 598 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,080 she was on parole. Yeah, I mean, why not just? 599 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,239 Date. Yeah, because my opinion again, 600 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,480 this is their life. But my opinion is I feel like 601 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,560 dating someone while they're in prison doesn't really allow you 602 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,000 to accurately see what that relationship would be like in 603 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,480 the real world. Like you don't get to see the 604 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,680 person in an everyday setting. Like Gypsy has no yeah, she's 605 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,840 250 other people writing her letters. 606 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,520 But like, there's no other temptations. 607 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,240 You're not doing normal things. All of their core correspondence 608 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,120 and communication, it's monitored. 609 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,960 Your time with them is limited. You only have a handful of 610 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,520 visiting hours every few months. I feel like you wouldn't really 611 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,280 know each other's true self. I agree. 612 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,800 You've never been alone with him without guards around. 613 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,840 Like, what if he's violent or something? 614 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,360 You can have all the trusts in the world, but I understand why 615 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,760 her stepmom was up until the day before the wedding was like, 616 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:35,720 don't do it. I'm I'm curious if you had AI 617 00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:39,280 feel like you wouldn't have a family member in this situation 618 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,680 or a friend. But if you did, would you be 619 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,000 honest with them and tell them don't do it? 620 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,480 I know it is exact same situation, exact same. 621 00:35:55,080 --> 00:36:01,600 Yeah, I mean, I don't know if I would have the guts to hurt them 622 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,960 so much and say flat out like don't do it. 623 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,400 But I do think I would say, like, I think you should think 624 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:11,440 about it or, you know, why not wait, I definitely would want to 625 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:16,160 put that out there because I would be nervous for this person 626 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,520 that they're rushing into something. 627 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,400 And yeah, and also you. Yeah, I mean, I think I probably 628 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,400 would say something because also, Gypsy hasn't even been. 629 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,360 Not only has she not, like dated. 630 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,560 Yeah, life. Like she's never been a free 631 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,880 person her whole life. I think Gypsy's kind of obsessed 632 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,120 with the idea of having a romantic relationship and really 633 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,840 wants a happily ever after. But she was under confinement by 634 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,080 her mom her whole life. She never really got to be an 635 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,720 adult. And then she's in prison for 636 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,480 like 8 years. So yeah, then immediately be 637 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,080 married. Upon getting out of prison, she 638 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,520 never has the opportunity to just go on regular dates and 639 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,000 like, live her life. Yeah. 640 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,320 I asked you guys, technically they didn't meet in person 641 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,320 before getting engaged, but only a handful of times. 642 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,960 And like I said, never alone without security around. 643 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,280 So I said, do you think you're capable of falling in love with 644 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,400 someone that you've never met in person, but you know more, so 645 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,040 spend time with them. And on our Patreon, 51% of 646 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,360 people said yes and 49% of people said no. 647 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,520 So it's really 5050 basically. Yeah. 648 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,600 Oh my gosh. I was thinking about this 649 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:38,600 question this evening and I was just going to such the holes in 650 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:43,920 my mind just thinking like what even is in love going back to 651 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,920 Charles, whatever in love means? No. 652 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,720 But really like sometimes I struggle with that concept. 653 00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:52,160 Like, is it just a feeling? You know? 654 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,240 Because sometimes, sometimes the most in love you feel is like 655 00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:58,280 the beginning of relationships when you don't even know 656 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,720 somebody that well. So could you be in love with 657 00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:04,640 someone without meeting them in person? 658 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,720 I know it is all internal. It's not like you just take a 659 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:11,960 temperature and a number comes up and it's like, oh, that's it. 660 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,840 You're officially in love. Like if you believe you are in 661 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,080 love, are you? Is that all it is? 662 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,280 I know. I don't know, man. 663 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,000 I feel like the older I get, the less I know. 664 00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:27,240 And even during this podcast feel like the less I know. 665 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:29,640 I don't know. Yeah. 666 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,000 I mean, it's one of those things like how who do you, who are you 667 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,280 to say, like if someone says, like, I'm in love? 668 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,440 Exactly. Can you say no, you're not? 669 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:41,600 Like, I don't know anyway. Gypsy's dad seemed pretty chill 670 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,960 about it, though, He said. Wow, he said. 671 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,520 I wish they would wait a little bit, but I figure it's marriage. 672 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,040 It's a piece of paper. They can get a divorce after 673 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,240 they don't have any kids or any assets. 674 00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:54,600 I just want her to be happy, I know. 675 00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:59,480 That's a little too chill. I mean, I don't blame him for 676 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,360 saying that, though, 'cause it's like, we don't really know this 677 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,120 guy. And like she only met him like 678 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,560 three times and now they're engaged and like. 679 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,640 She's Why even, like, why even think like, oh, you could get 680 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:10,680 divorced? I know. 681 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,120 Exactly. I know. 682 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,920 So then we're in 2022 and three months before the wedding, in 683 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,400 prison. In the prison confessions, Ryan 684 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,960 says he plans to financially support Gypsy when she gets out 685 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,160 of prison and the way a good husband should. 686 00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:30,680 He says. Part of me thinks that sometimes 687 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,960 Gypsy might need saving, but at the same time, I need saving 688 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,760 too. She saved me as much as I saved 689 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,560 her. She deserves the best, 690 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,720 especially with everything that's happened. 691 00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:44,440 Like I said, I do think they both seem to have a slightly 692 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:49,280 unrealistic view of marriage being like a happily ever after 693 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,640 fairy tale. Like this is just such an 694 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:56,160 abnormal conversation offered to people who are getting engaged, 695 00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:01,480 so heightened and dramatic they haven't really had the 696 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:07,280 opportunity to actually talk about the day-to-day stuff and 697 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,520 see each other. In that way, all of their 698 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,080 relationship is waiting for the future in some way. 699 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,680 But they haven't ever actually just lived in the present moment 700 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,040 together, right? You know. 701 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:27,200 That's so true, Mel, and I think that is a problem with long 702 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,600 distance relationships. And I feel like you could define 703 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:35,080 a prison relationship as a long distance relationship Sometimes 704 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,400 I don't. I think it depends on the 705 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,080 distance, but like that movie like crazy, remember? 706 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,760 Yeah. Their whole relationship was 707 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,960 just so much about someday, you know, that I feel like when 708 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,920 spoiler at the end, when they're finally together, it's kind of 709 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,520 like, oh, you know, we don't even really know each other. 710 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,240 Yeah, exactly. It's all just been like a dream. 711 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,040 I mean, even in the documentary they're like, they're like we 712 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,480 don't countdown every single day, but like once a week we 713 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,960 have a countdown of like how many days until she's out of 714 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,760 prison. And it's like the whole thing is 715 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,480 just longing. And so I feel like it's so easy 716 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,480 to put that life together up on a pedestal when you. 717 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,280 Haven't. Actually had a life together 718 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:19,920 yet? Like usually if you're getting 719 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,760 married, it's because it should be because you already like the 720 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,120 life that you're living together currently. 721 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,840 Yeah, and then I I think that when things are so high end and 722 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:38,240 like such a fantasy on a pedestal, the first few times 723 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:43,680 your partner disappoints you or is boring or whatever, you know, 724 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,640 this is mundane. I think that can be like 725 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:50,560 crushing exactly when really it shouldn't be, but like when when 726 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,440 the reality sets in, that will be like even harder. 727 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:58,120 To harder and also feel more dramatic because like, oh, I 728 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,240 made a commitment to this person. 729 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:05,040 Do I really want this? Like, the stakes are just a lot 730 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,720 higher for it to be perfect. So I'm worried about them. 731 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,600 I'm worried, guys. Before the wedding, Gypsy 732 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,040 actually revealed to Ryan that she had a phone conversation 733 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,840 with her ex fiance Ken three weeks prior, and that she also 734 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,240 had a dream that she left Ryan for him. 735 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:26,840 This. Very open of her. 736 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,000 Very open, but this led to a major fight in the prison 737 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,840 confessions, Ryan said. It hurts because it's one of 738 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,760 those things where she keeps telling me, well, I've put that 739 00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,080 behind me. I think now that the wedding's 740 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,640 coming up, it's one of those things where I worry that she'll 741 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,560 leave me for him. Like, dude, I don't know. 742 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,280 This is my friend and he's getting married to someone who's 743 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,240 in prison. Yeah. 744 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,640 For murder. And he's like kind of worried 745 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,960 about some other man like, I don't know, I know. 746 00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,040 What are we doing? Here. 747 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,040 Yeah. Wow. 748 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:07,160 On the one hand, that is nice of her to, I guess, OK, put a pin 749 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:08,560 in the word nice. I don't know if it is. 750 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:13,160 It's interesting that she's being so open, and you could say 751 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,640 that's admirable. But also at the same time, it's 752 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,800 like, would somebody with more experience think, like, maybe I 753 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:23,000 shouldn't tell him that? Like I had a dream about my ex, 754 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,320 You know, Is that really worth sharing? 755 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,680 I don't know. I so OK. 756 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,600 Later on Gypsy went on Nick Files podcast. 757 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:37,120 He's a former Bachelor and she he said, oh, Ryan went on there 758 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:41,440 with her and they both admitted in the episode that Gypsy was 759 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,680 purposely emotionally taxing and that she would purposely put 760 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,800 Ryan through all these tests to see if he would stay kind of in 761 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,120 a self sabotage way. Like she would purposely push on 762 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:56,880 Ryan's insecurities and say really awful things to him just 763 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,760 to test him to see if she could trust him. 764 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,440 But I don't think, see, that to me is someone who probably isn't 765 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,360 ready for marriage, to be honest. 766 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:12,240 I mean, like she hasn't lived a life outside of prison as an 767 00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:14,600 adult. And Ryan said. 768 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,840 I used to say she'd push me off a Cliff and then she'd peek over 769 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,640 and say, are you still there? Oh my gosh. 770 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,800 And Nick Vile asks him on the podcast, was there ever a moment 771 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,880 where it's too much and you just couldn't do it? 772 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,120 And he says honestly, no, because he just knew. 773 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,440 He said they he knew that they had it. 774 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,440 And he says, I would say you pushed me off the Cliff, but 775 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,880 you've seen those people who put tents on a Cliff and they nail 776 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,960 it to the Cliff, like basically saying that he's like in it for 777 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:48,120 the long haul and he means it, which is nice. 778 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,480 But also it's like, again, like I said in the beginning, like, 779 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:56,600 is this a guy who like hasn't had luck in love before and 780 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:02,160 maybe is a little desperate? I hate to say it, but like, I 781 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,080 just, I don't think that sounds like a good dynamic. 782 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,000 Guys. Yeah, I'm. 783 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:12,040 Worried. So also about this thing with 784 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:17,640 her ex Gypsy told Ryan that the conversation with Ken, the 785 00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,160 recent conversation, it gave her closure and that she wanted to 786 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,600 go through with the wedding. And she reassured Ryan by saying 787 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:29,320 I'll never be some blonde, fake ass, prissy ass bimbo that he's 788 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,040 interested in. We're not going to stay in touch 789 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,040 with each other anymore. Which I feel like to me that 790 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:39,160 wouldn't be that reassuring because it's not like it's not 791 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,440 like I'm over him. It's like I'll never be the girl 792 00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:47,000 he wants. But if I was. 793 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,440 But if I, yeah, exactly. Then you would be. 794 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,680 Together. Yeah, that doesn't really 795 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,160 interesting, make it sound like it's even her decision. 796 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,440 But they went through with the wedding. 797 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:04,240 They got married on July 21st, 2022 in a small prison ceremony 798 00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:08,120 with no guests. You know, Gypsy, she's wearing 799 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,920 her prison garb. It's not really fancy. 800 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,200 It's in prison like it's. Yeah. 801 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,320 Not ideal. And because of prison rules, the 802 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,680 wedding band had to be less than $100. 803 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,440 Ryan got her a rose gold band because of her name, Gypsy Rose, 804 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:30,920 and the two wrote their own vows to each other, and in the prison 805 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,080 confessions, they both read them. 806 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,280 So I'll read them to you guys, Ryan said. 807 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,120 Gypsy Rose, my gorgeous snuggles. 808 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,640 You were the the most woman that I've ever known. 809 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,080 The most woman that I've ever known. 810 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:51,240 Did I transcribe that right? To me, that sounds like he 811 00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:54,360 hasn't known many women before. Weird. 812 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,720 Yeah. Or was it supposed to be the 813 00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:59,080 most beautiful? I don't know. 814 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,880 I think it's. You are the most woman that I've 815 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,480 ever known. Huh. 816 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,400 OK. Even after all of our time 817 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,040 together, I still fall more and more in love with you with each 818 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,240 passing day. When you walked into the 819 00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:17,160 visiting room the first time, I realized at that moment I was 820 00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,720 meeting the love of my life. Every time I hear your voice, my 821 00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:23,480 heart skips a beat. I will always be here for you. 822 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,360 No matter what life throws your way. 823 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,760 My love for you will never stop growing. 824 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,240 You are my best friend. My love, my life, my heart. 825 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,440 You are my everything. Marrying you today is the 826 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,400 happiest moment of my life and I know our future together and our 827 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,240 love for each other will be endless and everlasting. 828 00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,880 I love you with all of my heart and soul. 829 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,840 Wow, very sweet. But I kind of hate when, and I 830 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,080 not everyone's a writer, but I hate when people don't put 831 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:56,680 specific things in there. I know we're using some cliches 832 00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,880 there, you know, like, I mean, he mentioned that when you first 833 00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:03,360 walked in in the visiting room. Yeah, cliches. 834 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,360 Yeah. The visiting room is like the 835 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,280 most specific thing. And it's like a prison thing, 836 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,920 you know? I know, yeah. 837 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,280 What's even the point of writing your own vows if you're just 838 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,800 going to be cliche? I know. 839 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:19,200 I like. I hate. 840 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,280 Yeah sorry, I funerals. I never want to hear that they 841 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:27,280 lit up a room like let's something new please. 842 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,440 Then Gypsy said, my no. You do light up a room, though. 843 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,760 Oh. So do you, Kel. 844 00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,320 That's so sweet. You're too shy. 845 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:41,720 Oh, you do. You're sunshine. 846 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:48,040 Oh, anyway, Gypsy, she said. My darling love. 847 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,760 Today I stand before you, taking in every detail of all that you 848 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,760 are. Your smile, your eyes. 849 00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,280 The way you look at me. The man I came to call my best 850 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,280 friend. I now call my husband. 851 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,560 With all the life has, with all that life has to offer. 852 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,680 I vow to be yours. I love you with all of my heart 853 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,840 and soul. Your wife, Gypsy Rose Anderson. 854 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,720 That was nice. Sweet, yeah. 855 00:49:13,720 --> 00:49:18,280 Kept it short and simple. It wasn't that like specific, 856 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,400 but it was eloquent. It was eloquent, Yeah. 857 00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,440 I like the. I take in every detail. 858 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,080 I really liked that. One, I like hearing the vows. 859 00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:34,040 Can we get that again someday? I know I like it. 860 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,920 I know we don't usually get that insight. 861 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:41,280 I guess it's a 2 private. Would you Now I'm I'm going to a 862 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,480 lot of weddings this year, so this has been on my mind. 863 00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,600 Would. You write your own vows like I 864 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,880 would write them, but would you recite them in front of 865 00:49:49,880 --> 00:50:00,280 everybody at your wedding? Well, I have never really 866 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,880 thought about it much and I don't really. 867 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,320 I don't know why. I I guess I just never really. 868 00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,000 I don't know. I I never thought about it. 869 00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:11,560 I guess I always thought I would just have kind of a traditional 870 00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:17,840 wedding and my boyfriend, who I don't know, I think might happen 871 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,520 someday, I don't know. I feel we're talking about this 872 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,040 stuff. He He for some reason has a lot 873 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:26,600 of opinions about it and he doesn't want to write his own 874 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,040 vows, so. Interesting. 875 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:33,760 Why is that he? Well, I'm not saying I agree 876 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,400 with him. Again, I don't really have an 877 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,240 opinion on it. I think it's cool when people 878 00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:39,400 write them. I don't know why he thinks it's 879 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,880 like show offy or something. I think it can be a little 880 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,960 performing. I agree. 881 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:48,760 I I don't know. I was talking about this with my 882 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,120 boyfriend a couple weeks ago at a wedding and I was like, I 883 00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,800 don't think I was like, I wouldn't want to recite my own 884 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,200 vows. I would write them and maybe say 885 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,000 it in private, but I wouldn't want to do it in front of 886 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,080 everyone. I feel like, yeah, I feel too 887 00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:04,560 awkward. But then I thought, there is 888 00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,440 something really brave about in front of a ton of people 889 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,120 declaring your love for someone and being that vulnerable. 890 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:17,040 Like, it is very courageous. Yeah, we don't really do that a 891 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,720 lot in life. Have those moments like that. 892 00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:23,040 So it is really special. Yeah, I How wait. 893 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,240 How do we get this? These vows were in the 894 00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:29,640 documentary. Yeah, they read them in the 895 00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,480 like, we didn't see the wedding, but they like they read us on 896 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:34,920 camera, The bows. I see. 897 00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:39,280 And narration, Yeah, I agree. That is brave. 898 00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,760 I mean, I guess even if you do the traditional vows to say that 899 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:48,600 in front of everybody, it's making it really official and 900 00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:53,040 bringing everybody into it. Yeah, I mean, at weddings, I 901 00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:57,080 always completely believe the couple that they're like all in, 902 00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,720 that this is their lifetime, they're madly in love, they're 903 00:51:59,720 --> 00:52:02,800 best friends, like something is crazy. 904 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,280 Sometimes it doesn't work out because on the wedding day they 905 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,120 seem 110% sure. I know. 906 00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,880 They always like, convince me that this. 907 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:16,120 Is everlasting, I know. It's crazy when it doesn't work 908 00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,840 out. I know, Tricked me. 909 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,440 Especially when it runs like very soon after the wedding, 910 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:25,520 it's like what happened? I know. 911 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,880 Which does happen. We've covered that. 912 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,680 Yep. So after the wedding, he called 913 00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,760 her from the parking lot and they spoke on the phone about 914 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,880 the wedding like they were, you know, she's in prison. 915 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,360 Yeah. So he's like, go in the parking 916 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:40,720 lot. And they were like, Oh my gosh, 917 00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:44,440 that was amazing. Like, oh, like, it's kind of 918 00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,920 sad. And he by himself drove away 919 00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,320 with a just married sign on the car. 920 00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,320 That's sad. I know they do plan to have a 921 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,240 redo wedding eventually in the future with their friends and 922 00:52:56,720 --> 00:53:00,440 friends and family and six months after, he said in the 923 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,240 prison confessions. It's awful having a wife that 924 00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:07,040 you can't touch on the daily. The reality is me and Gypsy are 925 00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,080 in limbo. We are waiting to start our 926 00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:10,760 life. But if I'm betting on a 927 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,920 relationship, I'm betting on success, I'm betting on kids. 928 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:15,000 The full 9. Wow. 929 00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:21,080 Wow. So then, on December 28th, 2023, 930 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,720 Gypsy was released on parole after spending eight years 931 00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:29,200 behind bars of her 10 year sentence, so she must have been 932 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:34,680 on her best behavior in prison. Ryan, along with Gypsy's dad, 933 00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:39,280 her stepmother Christy, and her half sister rented a house near 934 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,040 the prison and decorated it with a Christmas tree. 935 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,760 And Ryan went to pick her up. And her dad, he seems like such 936 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,440 a sweetheart in the documentary, he says it's like I'm having a 937 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,120 new baby. And he says he's a little 938 00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,600 bumped, that Ryan got to pick her up and not him. 939 00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,200 But he's like, it's all good. You know, like I'll get this 940 00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,360 year soon. When Ryan picks Gypsy up from 941 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,720 prison. There, she's laughing about how 942 00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:06,040 her new post prison outfit doesn't fit. 943 00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:07,680 It's kind of funny. She, like, gets in the car and 944 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,760 she's like, my boots don't fit, nothing fit. 945 00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,200 He's like, she's laughing and then she's overwhelmed with joy 946 00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:17,200 just being in a car and she's like, it's going so fast. 947 00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,560 It's kind of making you realize, like she has not really been 948 00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,040 like a real person and. It is. 949 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,280 Per her parole, Gypsy must go to therapy. 950 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,840 If she can't drink any alcohol, she can't do drugs. 951 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,640 And like I said, she can't have any contact with Nicholas and 952 00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:37,600 she needs to ask for permission to leave the state of Louisiana. 953 00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:43,040 And so they actually Gypsy and Ryan were supposed to go to a 954 00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,600 Kansas City Chiefs game in Missouri. 955 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,920 Oh. But Gypsy had said an interview 956 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,760 how she really wanted to meet Taylor Swift, and this might not 957 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,520 be the reason for it. But then immediately Gypsy's 958 00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,760 Missouri parole officer was like, you have to leave Missouri 959 00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,120 immediately, you have to go right back to Louisiana. 960 00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,760 So she doesn't know why that is. But she wasn't allowed to go to 961 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,480 the Kansas City Chiefs game and on Nick Biles podcast she was 962 00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,200 speculating it was because Taylor Swift or whatever, like 963 00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,960 people started that like became a headline. 964 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,880 And then there were all these articles that were like 965 00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:22,520 convicted felon murderer Gypsy Rose really wants to meet Taylor 966 00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,840 Swift at the Chiefs game and spun it into this like dramatic 967 00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,080 thing. What the heck, Taylor should 968 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,320 meet her. I know. 969 00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,280 Do it. I know Taylor. 970 00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,400 That would be iconic. Yeah. 971 00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:39,320 Also, what's she going to do? Stab you? 972 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,560 She's like. No. 973 00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:47,040 That would be crazy. Soon after being released, Gypsy 974 00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,480 and Ryan posted a lot of cute selfies of each other to their 975 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,960 Instagram, and they began doing a lot of press interviews. 976 00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,960 I was thinking, I feel like it would be difficult doing all 977 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,960 that press while also being together for the very first 978 00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:03,440 time. Yeah. 979 00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,960 That's so overwhelming. Like just being together for the 980 00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,880 first time is a lot, but then to now suddenly be influencers all 981 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,400 at once. I don't know if that's a good 982 00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,240 recipe, I agree. But yeah, like I said, they went 983 00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:20,840 on Nick Files podcast, they did a lot of podcasts and interviews 984 00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:26,080 like Entertainment Tonight and all these different things, Ryan 985 00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:30,080 jokes in that Nick Vile podcast about well. 986 00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,000 So Gypsy says it's been very enjoyable. 987 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,680 We spent a couple days at home. I don't think there's anything 988 00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,360 that really shocked me about him. 989 00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,760 But then she goes on to say that he's getting used to putting the 990 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:44,680 toilet seat down for her. And then Ryan is like talking 991 00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,800 about how Gypsy is on his case, about the toilet seat. 992 00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,520 And then he's like, just as I'm on my way to buy her shoes, buy 993 00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,640 her new shoes. He's kind of rolling his eyes as 994 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,640 if he's spending a lot of money on her and being kind of 995 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,240 demanding. It's all like cute little 996 00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:02,240 banter, but I don't know, something kind of was weird 997 00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:06,600 about it to me at the same time. Like is is this really a joke, 998 00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:07,960 or is this actually bothering you? 999 00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,800 Yeah, sure. I think the the the thing about 1000 00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,960 as I'm on my way to buy her shoes, I don't like the comment 1001 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,760 of like as I'm spending money on her. 1002 00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,720 Basically she doesn't have a job. 1003 00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,200 But you said you're married, You said you were going to support 1004 00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:23,560 her. That's true. 1005 00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,960 But I was going to ask you the toilet seat because this came up 1006 00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:31,160 with my boyfriend recently because he at his place, the 1007 00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,480 toilet seat is always up after he goes to the bathroom. 1008 00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,760 But he just told me that he's making more of an effort to put 1009 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,720 it down. And I was raised in a house 1010 00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,360 where my mom reinforced and my brothers, like, always put the 1011 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,880 toilet, toilet seat back down because US women, like, 1012 00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,880 sometimes we might fall in and we don't realize it's still up. 1013 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,880 That has happened to me once or twice. 1014 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,160 So my brothers were always really good about it. 1015 00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:56,600 Sometimes their friends weren't really. 1016 00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:00,800 But then I my boyfriend, he was like, well, I mean, if I'm just 1017 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,600 home, it's a lot quicker for me to just leave it up because most 1018 00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:05,840 of the time I'm just peeing. Yeah. 1019 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,560 But I don't know, is this too personal that could does this 1020 00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,600 come up in your relationship? The toilet seat. 1021 00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,360 No, I think, I mean, Charlie has two sisters, so I think he also 1022 00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,440 is very good about it. I think whenever I'm gone for a 1023 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:26,280 while, I notice it's still up. But yeah, it's been pretty much 1024 00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,400 no problem. Yeah, it always, I guess the 1025 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,680 guys have to do it. They have to touch the seat, but 1026 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,680 it always grosses me out to put it in. 1027 00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,720 Grosses. Me out so much, actually in 1028 00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,360 public restrooms. Oh my God, that shouldn't. 1029 00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,840 When it grosses me out, I always like take a piece of toilet 1030 00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,840 paper to hold it and put it down or something. 1031 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,640 Yeah. That grosses me out, yeah. 1032 00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:53,760 The toilet seat thing is like a very classic couple banter 1033 00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,560 thing. It's a very surface level safe 1034 00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:00,680 thing to if like someone asks you like what problems you have 1035 00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,640 in your relationship and it's like, oh the toilet seat, that's 1036 00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,800 true. It's not like, oh, she has trust 1037 00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:12,600 issues and constantly is pointing out my insecurities and 1038 00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,800 I don't know if I believe that her ex is out of the picture. 1039 00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,160 It's like, it's like it's very. Surface. 1040 00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:19,800 Level. But I was getting like I was 1041 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,920 getting a lot of that from their interviews, like just kind of 1042 00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,080 surface level stuff, you know? And it's hard to tell like. 1043 00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,040 So they are definitely still getting to know each other. 1044 00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:32,440 Yeah, they are. Nick Vile asked them if they've 1045 00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,760 considered couples therapy, and Gypsy says that she's been 1046 00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,200 looking for a couple therapists ever since she was in prison, 1047 00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,160 and that while she was locked up, she was inspired by a lot of 1048 00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,600 marriage podcasts and that she would frequently send them to 1049 00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:49,000 Ryan. Ryan kind of has this, like, I 1050 00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,040 don't know, I feel like he thinks he's like really like 1051 00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,760 this, like cool guy. Sorry if that's me being a 1052 00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,840 little mean, but he's like, yeah, it's cool. 1053 00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,080 Here's another podcast, like in like kind of like a manly 1054 00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:00,800 podcast or something. I don't know. 1055 01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,200 Yeah. And that he said that he's been 1056 01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,440 a little overwhelmed by the fame and that she's always a little 1057 01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,360 worried that he's going to leave because of it, which, you know, 1058 01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:14,120 might relate to what happened with that guy Ken, but then 1059 01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,520 adds, But I'm not going anywhere. 1060 01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,480 We'll work through whatever we'll work through. 1061 01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,280 I'm here for the long haul till death do us part. 1062 01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,120 I mean that. And again, he says. 1063 01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:25,280 That people could listen. Oh, sorry, I didn't know people 1064 01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:26,960 could listen to podcasts in prison. 1065 01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:31,040 Yeah, I don't know that either. Is anybody listening from 1066 01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:32,360 prison? Let us know. 1067 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:37,400 Oh, hi, guys. Tell us, like, who's writing You 1068 01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:42,120 love letters in prison? Yeah, I mean, again, like, also, 1069 01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,680 I feel like in prison you're so lonely that, like, you probably 1070 01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,080 could fall in love with anybody. I hate to say it. 1071 01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:48,920 Yeah. Totally. 1072 01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,440 Anyone who's giving you consistent attention and being 1073 01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:55,000 really sweet like you really don't know for sure that that 1074 01:00:55,000 --> 01:01:01,040 connection is genuine until you get out into the real world I. 1075 01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:02,960 Really felt that way. Like during the pandemic. 1076 01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,920 Like when I wasn't really socializing at all, I would just 1077 01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:10,000 see like a random guy on the street and be like, Oh my God, 1078 01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:20,200 he has legs like he's hot. I know you know the same thing. 1079 01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:23,440 It's easy. I can imagine. 1080 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,840 Yeah, I feel like it's really easy to let fantasies like to 1081 01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,840 let them carry you away. Meanwhile, Ryan said that it's 1082 01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:33,880 been great that there isn't anything that he hasn't enjoyed 1083 01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,280 about Gypsy. He said she's incredibly 1084 01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:40,320 organized and wants to wants to make her feel sure that she 1085 01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:44,280 knows that his home is her home. You know, like I said though, 1086 01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,080 they were very much in the public spotlight this past 1087 01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,400 month. Ryan was getting a lot of trolls 1088 01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,120 and haters online after Gypsy's release. 1089 01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:56,360 Mostly, a lot of people were saying that he kind of looked 1090 01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,480 like her mom. Oh my God, yeah. 1091 01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,560 I don't know if I would say that, but like a lot of people 1092 01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:05,320 were like, is this a controlling relationship? 1093 01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,400 Like is this, you know, another situation? 1094 01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,520 People were very suspicious of this, Gypsy commented on 1095 01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,840 Instagram by saying, Ryan, don't listen to the haters. 1096 01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:18,920 I love you and you love me. We do not owe anyone anything. 1097 01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,960 Our family is who matters. If you get likes and good 1098 01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,880 comments, great. If you get hate then whatever 1099 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:29,720 because they don't matter. I love you because they jealous 1100 01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,160 because and then she then she adds. 1101 01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,680 Besides, they jealous because you are rocking my world every 1102 01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,000 night. Yeah, I said it. 1103 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,720 The D is buyer, happy wife, happy life. 1104 01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,640 Oh my gosh. Very sweet, very sweet. 1105 01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:46,680 That's. Nice. 1106 01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:48,560 She's stuck. Up, Yeah. 1107 01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:52,600 I mean, that's a really sweet. It's funny because there's this 1108 01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:57,320 like one in a media person who went up to Gypsy Rose and was 1109 01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,720 like, what do you have to say to all the haters? 1110 01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:04,480 And Gypsy was like, what? I've been trying to work on this 1111 01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,800 impersonation, but it's not really good. 1112 01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,000 She's like, well, can't bring me down. 1113 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,320 I'm on a high right now. I'm living my best life and 1114 01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,680 y'all can't take that from me. And then the first one goes and 1115 01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:20,640 the D is fire. My God. 1116 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,440 I'm on a high right now. Can't bring me down. 1117 01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,360 Oh, that hurt my throat doing that. 1118 01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:30,320 Oh. No. 1119 01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:35,120 But then Ryan replied and said who said he also has like a 1120 01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,120 thick Southern accent. He's like, who said I'd give a 1121 01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:41,800 damn about No, that's kind of not really accurate. 1122 01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:45,520 It's like a slow accent. It's like, who said I'd give a 1123 01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,720 damn about what these jealous people say in anyway? 1124 01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:52,040 Ha ha. Now come get it, baby. 1125 01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,080 Oh my God. Dot dot. 1126 01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:03,680 So he's not bothered by it, but he is rocking her world. 1127 01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:08,080 It's interesting. Yeah, I feel like I knew very 1128 01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,520 little about this. And all I had heard was people 1129 01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,360 being worried that, like, he was taking advantage of her and 1130 01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,200 manipulating her. And that could be true. 1131 01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:19,120 But it also sounds like she could be doing that back. 1132 01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,760 You know what? It's interesting you say that 1133 01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:26,160 because I have a clip for you that is getting people a little 1134 01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,360 worried for Ryan. OK. 1135 01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:33,240 So in the clip, Gypsy is answering a question and then 1136 01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:38,680 Ryan interjects and you can hear Gypsy whisper telling him to 1137 01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:43,880 shut up while squeezing his hand, which is a tactic her 1138 01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:49,120 mother used to do to her back when they were out in public 1139 01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:52,680 together. OK. 1140 01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,800 Should I watch it? Yes, for everything. 1141 01:04:56,560 --> 01:05:01,120 And now I feel like, oh, I went from 19 to 32. 1142 01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:05,960 Jeez, God, I got old so quick. How did that happen? 1143 01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:07,400 You never went to school either? Mm hmm. 1144 01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:11,440 That's true. You didn't go to school, so 1145 01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,840 there wasn't, you know, this lineage. 1146 01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:18,280 It does look like she said shut up. 1147 01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:22,440 Mm hmm. Don't you see how his head drops 1148 01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:26,640 after she says that too? And he was saying something like 1149 01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:30,920 support, I think supportive to say like you didn't know because 1150 01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:32,760 you didn't go to school. I mean, I even said that 1151 01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,200 earlier, like she didn't go to school, so she wouldn't have 1152 01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,560 known how old she was. Yeah, I mean, I could give her 1153 01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:42,520 the benefit of the doubt. It could be like a shut up like, 1154 01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,480 like, oh, shut up like. But it's like, that's not 1155 01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,880 really. He wasn't like mocking her 1156 01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,560 anything. Like you said he was supporting 1157 01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:51,280 her. So like, why? 1158 01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:52,920 Why is she telling him to shut up? 1159 01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:55,080 And she's whispering it too, so it's not really. 1160 01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:59,760 Yeah, she didn't say it in like a joking, sarnostic way. 1161 01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:05,240 It's. Sad because I feel bad for Gypsy 1162 01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:09,520 like she had been, you know, abused and victimized her whole 1163 01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,200 life. But the way that her mother 1164 01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,560 treated her is all she really knows. 1165 01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,400 I mean, she had no normal relationships at all. 1166 01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,400 Like she didn't even really have a relationship with her dad, 1167 01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,720 even though she seems to have a health healthy relationship with 1168 01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:27,960 him now and her stepmom. That's all she knows. 1169 01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:32,720 Holy crap. And you can't discount what kind 1170 01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,400 of damage that might have done to her and how that might 1171 01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:38,160 influence her in a relationship now. 1172 01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:42,360 Like, especially with needing control over a partner. 1173 01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:47,720 I don't know. It feels like, I mean if I 1174 01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:50,240 couldn't really tell, but like if she was doing the hand 1175 01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:52,600 squeezing thing that is just so disturbing. 1176 01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:57,160 It's like she's just re living or reacting out the way her mom 1177 01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:01,480 was. Yeah, but you know, they want to 1178 01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:05,360 have kids someday. And I hope that Gypsy has had 1179 01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:09,520 the therapy and the work that she's able to have a normal 1180 01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:11,560 relationship on having kids, she said. 1181 01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:13,960 The kind of mother that I envision myself being is 1182 01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:15,800 absolutely different from my own mother. 1183 01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,200 I feel like I know everything not to do. 1184 01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:23,080 So hopefully Gypsy has some self-awareness, but I'm sure 1185 01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:26,240 those things are hard to unlearn, especially even just on 1186 01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,640 an unconscious level. And maybe there are times when 1187 01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,560 she. I mean that happens with a lot 1188 01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,000 of people. Like they've they are aware of 1189 01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,920 their parents fault and then they find themselves repeating 1190 01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:40,480 the same thing, 'cause that's all they've known. 1191 01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,960 But yeah, that is Gypsy Rhodes and Ryan Anderson. 1192 01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:54,680 Ryan Anderson Oh my gosh, I hope that they both are OK and I hope 1193 01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:58,160 for the best for them. I hope for the best, but my 1194 01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:01,360 percentage unfortunately not super high. 1195 01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:04,720 Are there odds that they stay together? 1196 01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:08,480 No. What would you say? 1197 01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:14,560 I'm going to give them 20%. Yeah, I guess. 1198 01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:18,399 Me too. I hope she's not listening. 1199 01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,920 I know. I do wish them the best and I 1200 01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,680 think that it's not impossible. I think that they can work 1201 01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:26,920 things out. I wow, that was really 1202 01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:28,600 fascinating. Thank you Mel. 1203 01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:33,359 I I as I said I hadn't really looked too much into it but now 1204 01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:36,640 I want to I It is. You know, it's disturbing 1205 01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,000 everything that happened with her mom, but now it definitely 1206 01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:44,760 feels like a new story, more about them as a couple and. 1207 01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:47,279 Yeah, I mean, it's really different from any of the 1208 01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:49,040 couples we've covered. I like I. 1209 01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:50,240 Totally. Different. 1210 01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,439 I want the best. They both seem like hopeless 1211 01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:57,680 romantics. They really want love and they 1212 01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,359 seem sweet in their interviews recently. 1213 01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:04,600 Besides that shut up thing, I hope that means nothing. 1214 01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:10,279 I hope we're overthinking it. And I just it's just it started 1215 01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,439 on shaky ground, so the odds are against them. 1216 01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,520 But. We'll have to keep watching 1217 01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:19,720 what's happening. Maybe we'll have an update 1218 01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:21,399 someday. Wow. 1219 01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,240 Thanks, Mel. Sorry this went over an hour. 1220 01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:28,760 Hope your voice is OK. I'm going to take a hot shower 1221 01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:34,240 after this, but next week also really, really messy. 1222 01:09:34,359 --> 01:09:38,920 Another you know, kind of story that's been in the headlines the 1223 01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:42,920 past year, past two years. I would say it's newsworthy. 1224 01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:47,439 Oh, OK. I think I know who it is. 1225 01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,319 Well, you had told me a couple ideas, but I didn't know for 1226 01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:56,320 sure what it was. So cool. 1227 01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:00,200 All right, Well, thank you so much, Mel. 1228 01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:04,680 And thank you everybody listening and. 1229 01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,120 We'll get back together next week. 1230 01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:09,880 Yep. Bye is your. 1231 01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:18,360 Heartbeat with pain.