1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:07,480 Are you lonesome tonight? Do you miss me tonight? 2 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:16,880 Are you sorry we drifted apart? Does your? 3 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,360 Hi, guys. Hey everyone. 4 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:23,120 Welcome to significant lovers. Welcome, welcome. 5 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,640 This is a true love podcast. Yes. 6 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:31,720 About real relationships. We investigate the stories of 7 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:37,560 real life relationships, and today we're doing a big one. 8 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,760 This has been one that I think we've wanted to do for a long 9 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,680 time, but it was kind of intimidating. 10 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,960 And I just decided, OK, it's time to do them. 11 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:52,240 So this is Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks of Fleetwood 12 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,480 Mac. And in case this is your first 13 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,120 episode, I'm Kelly Kell. I'm Mel. 14 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,960 And I'm Kate or Caitlin. And we're cousins. 15 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,920 And sisters, we're related. Yes we are related. 16 00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:14,840 My mom is sisters with their mom and we are best friends. 17 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:21,320 We also have a another cousin slash sister Shannon who is not 18 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,320 a host on the pod but we want to give her a shout out. 19 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:28,520 I hope you listen to this. She was on a previous episode, 20 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,640 the Julie Berry and Jeff Propst episode, so if you want to hear 21 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,840 from her, you can listen to that episode. 22 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,600 She was also a background audience member slash hater on 23 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,240 our Harry Styles and Louis Tomlinson episode, so you can 24 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,640 hear her a little bit on that episode as well. 25 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:50,720 Slash hater. I wanted to give a shout out to 26 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,760 a couple of our new patrons. Yay. 27 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:59,640 Three Lorena, Nikki and Prisa. Prisa, thank you, Thank you, 28 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,440 thank you. Thank you so much for joining. 29 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,840 Do we have any trivia this episode, Kel? 30 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:10,440 Don't hate me, but no, I don't. I'll have it next time. 31 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:11,400 I'll have it next. Time. 32 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,480 Actually, I have one. Oh really? 33 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:19,440 Yes. Which couple first confirmed 34 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:24,000 their relationship or it was first confirmed in the media 35 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,480 their relationship on April 1st, 2004? 36 00:02:28,640 --> 00:02:31,200 2004 We did this, didn't we? Nope. 37 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,960 No, that was the couple that broke up on April 1st. 38 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,440 Which couple first confirmed 2004? 39 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,840 I'm gonna say Ben Affleck and Jennifer Gardner. 40 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,320 Nope. OK, 2004 and. 41 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,320 This is a couple we've covered. Yep. 42 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,880 Beyoncé and Jay-Z. Nope. 43 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:51,480 Good guess. Good guess. 44 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,680 Blake Shelton and Miranda Lambert. 45 00:02:54,560 --> 00:03:01,160 No, it was Will and Kate. Oh my God, last. 46 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:02,880 Week. Was that in? 47 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,040 Was that in the episode? It was in the episode I was 48 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:10,320 listening to it this morning. But we didn't really acknowledge 49 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,200 it. No, you didn't really 50 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,160 acknowledge it. And I was remembering that there 51 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:20,080 was a trivia question about April First previously, so I was 52 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,040 like, oh, that'd be a good one to bring up. 53 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,080 Oh, that's so. Funny, it must have not meant 54 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,360 anything to me. Like I probably just said April 55 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,120 first, not even thinking about April Fool's Day. 56 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:31,160 That's. Very. 57 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:32,720 That's. Super recent. 58 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,360 Well, yeah, if you. That was that was the headline 59 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,960 where it was like Prince William finally has a girlfriend. 60 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:42,840 Oh, that's so. Funny. 61 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,120 Wow. April first is significant for a 62 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,560 lot of our couples. Like there have been, yeah, 63 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:52,240 engagement news on April 1st, breakup news, new couple alerts. 64 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,760 It's crazy, Yeah. What's up with that? 65 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,320 What's up with that? What's up with that? 66 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,600 What's up with that? What's up from SNL? 67 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,960 Yeah. Lindsey Buckingham was on a skit 68 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,360 of what's up with that? So. 69 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:12,720 Wuzzy OK, Connect OK, so let's get into the couple 'cause 70 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:17,040 people are people are are dying to hear about this couple. 71 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,839 This has been one of our most requested episodes, actually. 72 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:25,240 So guys, you're in for a treat. And Kel, what are the three 73 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,040 words that you would use to describe them? 74 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:31,560 The three words I would use to describe Stevie and Lindsay 75 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,400 would be OK. This is a phrase but twin flame. 76 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:41,440 OK. Competitive and nostalgic. 77 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,880 Now, I don't know if you have heard much about the twin flame 78 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:47,360 idea. It's kind of one of those new 79 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,040 age hippie concepts. But you know, it's thought it's 80 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,960 kind of like soulmate. It's thought that there's two 81 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,800 souls cut from the same cloth. You know that they always will 82 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,800 care about each other, but sometimes that flame can burn 83 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,280 too bright and can even be kind of toxic. 84 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:08,760 Carrie and Big. So yes, it's both negative and 85 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:09,840 positive at the same. Time. 86 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:12,360 It can be, yes. It can be negative. 87 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,160 And I feel like I've never really thought that about a real 88 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,360 life couple, which, granted, we don't actually know Lindsay 89 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,160 Buckingham and Stevie Nicks, but they kind of remind me of like 90 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:27,320 Chuck and Blair or Lestat and Louis from Interview at the 91 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:31,360 Vampire Show. Yeah, big and carry, not not as 92 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,720 much. It's not as volatile for them, I 93 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,200 would say. But kind of like they, even when 94 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,480 they're apart, they are obsessed with each other. 95 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,240 Even when they hate each other, they are obsessed with each 96 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,400 other. And there's always this love 97 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,080 deep down, you know what I mean? And I think that's Stevie and 98 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:49,880 Lindsay. I got really obsessed with this 99 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:51,680 couple. Caitlin was saying, I always do 100 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,320 this, but I feel like there's been a couple that I've 101 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,440 researched like of Scott and Zelda Fitzgerald, obviously 102 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,400 Charles and Camilla kind of little bit Taylor like where I 103 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,400 just get so in deep and I've been like listening to Fleetwood 104 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,680 Mac nonstop. So I'm really excited. 105 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,360 They're definitely far from perfect and have a lot of 106 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,920 problems, but I really ship this couple, so I'm excited to get 107 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:17,120 into it. Yeah. 108 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,240 So Stevie and Lindsay, in case you don't know who they are and 109 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,360 they were part, well, one of them is still in Fleetwood Mac. 110 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,520 One of them is not. They were from the rock band 111 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,800 Fleetwood Mac, probably one of the most iconic bands ever. 112 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:35,160 Early in Fleetwood Mac's existence, the band had a 113 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,480 revolving cast of band members, so they actually had 10 albums 114 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,280 before Stevie and Lindsay joined the band. 115 00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:44,120 But in the period we're talking about, Fleetwood Mac was 116 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,680 comprised of Mick Fleetwood, who's on drums, John Mcvie on 117 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,960 bass, his wife Christine McVie on piano and vocals. 118 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,200 So all three of them are English. 119 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,520 And then there's the Americans, Lindsey Buckingham, lead guitar 120 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,000 and vocals, and Stevie Nicks on vocals. 121 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,360 Also, in case you don't know, one reason this couple is so 122 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,400 famous is because of the album Rumors, which I'm sure you do 123 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,120 know. Some of the songs on it like 124 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:13,480 Dreams, Go Your Own Way, The Chain, Don't Stop, Never Going 125 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,040 Back Again, Secondhand News. Oh my gosh, it's such a good 126 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,120 album. And, you know, the legend goes 127 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,840 that everybody in the band was breaking up during the making of 128 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,280 this album, but you're going to get to hear what was actually 129 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,000 happening and what that was like in this episode. 130 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,920 So you're going to dispel the rumors or rumors? 131 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,280 Yes, yes, yes. But more than Rumors too. 132 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,000 We're going to talk about before they were in Fleetwood Mac, even 133 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,240 the album before rumors and after Rumors. 134 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,280 And so this is going to be Part 1 because this story spans like 135 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,320 5 decades and I could not fit it all into this. 136 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,040 So next week on Patreon, we're going to continue the story. 137 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:58,720 And I got to say, Part 2 I think is just as, if not more exciting 138 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,360 than the rumors days. I think it's so crazy. 139 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:08,520 Yeah, it is. So definitely stay tuned for 140 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,640 that. And if you're not a patron, sign 141 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,720 up to hear it. OK. 142 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,600 Yeah. My sources for this just really 143 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,680 quick. I mostly use this book, Dreams 144 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,920 and Many Lives of Fleetwood Mac by Mark Blake, The Ledge 145 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,800 website, the Buckingham Nicks Tumblr. 146 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,440 That's a great source. The book Stevie Nicks, Visions, 147 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,720 Dreams and Visions, Dreams and Rumors by Zoe Howe. 148 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,840 And I got to say this book. So this is like a biography of 149 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,600 Stevie Nicks. She chose to focus on the the 150 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,480 1st 2 pages to focus on Stevie and Lindsay. 151 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,960 So that just shows how integral that is. 152 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,720 Yeah. Like she didn't write about just 153 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,280 like, Stevie's solo career, her childhood, whatever. 154 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,480 Nope. She chose to focus on her and 155 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:55,960 Lindsay, so it's a big deal. But who are they who really need 156 00:08:56,680 --> 00:08:58,880 to take a sip of water? I need to calm down. 157 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:00,320 Yeah, take a breath. It's too. 158 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,600 Excited. I'm too excited. 159 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,080 I'm nervous. So Stevie Nicks, iconic singer, 160 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,600 right? She's this witchy woman, 161 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,360 brilliant lyricist. You know her songs. 162 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:16,760 Landslide Edge of 17 Dreams Rhiannon Silver Springs. 163 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:18,640 That's Stevie Nicks. She's small. 164 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,200 She's 5 foot one I think. I don't know why sometimes like 165 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,720 to describe how people look. I don't know. 166 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,760 In case people don't know, she has a beautiful little face, I 167 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:32,240 think brown eyes, blonde, often permed, WAVY curly hair. 168 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,760 And she dresses a lot in shawls and lace and long dresses, lots 169 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,960 of black. That's why she gets the witchy 170 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,080 reputation. But she also talks frequently 171 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,480 about things like visions and such. 172 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:47,200 So it goes beyond the outfit. In interview, Stevie's very 173 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,600 matter of fact, almost blunt. She seems kind of tough, but 174 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,680 cute and sentimental at the same time. 175 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,280 Romantic too. I can kind of see why our mom 176 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,520 Kate is like obsessed with Stevie Nicks. 177 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,200 I I see some similarities between them. 178 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,560 But she's also been called the baby of the band and that was 179 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:06,640 kind of her role. I don't know that everyone was 180 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,400 like protective of her. And she also kind of got away 181 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,240 with a lot of things, I would say. 182 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,600 Because of her personality or because of her age also? 183 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,880 I think that her age as well. I mean, she was actually older 184 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:23,400 than Lindsay, but by one year, but she was still the baby. 185 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:31,040 She was born Stephanie Lynn Nix May 26, 1948, in Phoenix, AZ. 186 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:32,920 Yeah, so Stevie is just a nickname. 187 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:35,560 You thought that that was like on her birth cert? 188 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:36,920 I did. I don't know. 189 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:41,280 I thought she was born as Stevie and you know. 190 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,440 Yeah, no, she's really Stephanie. 191 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:49,320 Her father was the VP of Greyhound buses and that caused 192 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:52,720 them to move around a lot. Really so? 193 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,800 Take a drink, Yeah. Yes, and mostly around like the 194 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,400 Southwest California, I would say, But they did move a lot and 195 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,760 that's one of the key ingredients to being a star, as 196 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,160 we've learned on this podcast. Even though he worked for 197 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:13,040 Greyhound, I wouldn't expect him and to be moving around a lot. 198 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,960 They literally had to get on Greyhound buses and move around 199 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,080 a lot. Yeah, I don't know, maybe he was 200 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,080 like opening new branches or something like that, you know? 201 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,040 Yeah, 'cause I don't know what a Veep he does, you know. 202 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,040 Yeah, I don't know. He also has a younger brother 203 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,920 who she seems to love very much. Growing up, Stevie loved to 204 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:34,520 perform, dance and sing from a very young age, and she would 205 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,760 always write and had Diaries. In high school, she acted very 206 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:39,560 herself. I think she was very cool. 207 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,560 She dressed Gypsy even back then, she said later in life, if 208 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:45,960 you talk to people that went to school with me, they would say 209 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,200 she's a little crazy. She loved music and she was 210 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,360 interesting. I think I was very interesting 211 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,280 to everybody. So she's not exactly humble, 212 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,200 too. In 1966, her parents moved to 213 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,840 San Mateo, CA, where Stevie would attend the Menlo Atherton 214 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,400 High School in 1966. And she was very well liked 215 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:06,800 there. She was the runner up for 216 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:11,680 homecoming queen her first year there, and one night her senior 217 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:15,440 year she went to a Young Life church meeting for students, 218 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:17,560 which was kind of just something to do. 219 00:12:17,560 --> 00:12:21,240 Kids would go and sing and play music on a Wednesday night. 220 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,200 I feel like I would go to stuff like that at the church. 221 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,480 I don't know what. Like mom would just drop us off. 222 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,520 Like it was just some kind of really youth night thing. 223 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,200 Like, I don't, yeah, I don't know. 224 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,600 I don't remember. Maybe not senior year, but like, 225 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,360 really. Yeah, I definitely did. 226 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:42,320 Anyway, she was at one of these low key youth group night things 227 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,920 and she saw a stunning teenage boy with curly hair and intense 228 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,240 blue eyes. He was playing guitar and 229 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,960 singing California Dreaming, and that was Lindsey Buckingham. 230 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,400 If I didn't know anything about these two people, I would assume 231 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:02,160 that Stevie Nicks is the man and Lindsey Buckingham is. 232 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,600 It's so interesting how both. Their names. 233 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:11,280 I know I love it. I love it, friends, when Joey's 234 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:16,000 reading Little Woman and for the longest time he thinks Lori is a 235 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,000 girl. And Joe? 236 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:19,920 Is a boy for some reason, I don't know how like went over 237 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:24,400 his head but. I like the comparison, Lori and 238 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,600 Joe. But yeah, it's funny how that 239 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,720 works. That's how it was. 240 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,480 Yeah, I was talking about this the other day at the party, how 241 00:13:32,680 --> 00:13:35,800 it's kind of, it was a Southern thing, I guess, but there used 242 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,520 to be a lot of guys names that now are never really used for 243 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:45,520 men, like Lindsay or Ashley O Leslie, really, Ashley, I think. 244 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,320 Yeah, because I think they used to be. 245 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,760 They were surnames originally, I think, and then they kind of 246 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:56,160 became first names for men and then they became first names for 247 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,080 women. I know actually doing all this 248 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,040 research now, I like love the name Lindsay. 249 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,960 For a guy. I think I think it's cool, yeah. 250 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:05,840 I don't know. Maybe also because my boyfriend 251 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:07,880 seems Charlie, I feel. I mean, that's a nickname, but 252 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,480 I'm kind of used to like the E sound for a guy, so I don't 253 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:12,160 know. I like it. 254 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,080 I think Lindsay works better than Ashley because I think 255 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:20,800 Ashley's just been so Co opted by I guess the females or 256 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,400 whatever. Ashley, Ash is dark Ash. 257 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,760 Ash is, you know, a dark thing. Yeah. 258 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,600 Is that where the name? Ash comes from Ashley I. 259 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,640 Think maybe I don't know like from. 260 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:41,720 Pokémon Ashley like ASHL EE or something I don't know what. 261 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,480 What are you trying to say? Maybe if it was just spelt 262 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,200 differently, I don't know. What for What? 263 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,560 I think that's more feminine. Masculine, you think? 264 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,160 Yeah, definitely. I don't know. 265 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,640 I think Renee too. I mean, that's a French name, 266 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,320 but I think that used to be more for men and that was more of a 267 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,720 woman's name. I mean, really, names can be, 268 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,800 you know, they don't have to have any gender. 269 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,080 I I like names to be If you really like a name, name your 270 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:10,640 kid that. The only thing is kids. 271 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,200 Some kids, unfortunately, might get made fun of if their name is 272 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,160 a girl's name. So Lindsay, Lindsay actually had 273 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,200 two older brothers, Jeff and George. 274 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,880 And he said, I don't know why I got called Lindsay. 275 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,200 Maybe my mother had some intuition that I was going to be 276 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,320 weird. Maybe they thought they were 277 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,840 going to have a girl or something and then that didn't 278 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,320 feel like. No, changing the name was it was 279 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,240 a guy's name. There's also Lindsey Graham. 280 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:39,320 Oh yeah. What's that? 281 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,040 I. Forgot that that was his name. 282 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,040 Lindsey Graham, Politician. Republican. 283 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,200 Yeah. When, who? 284 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,320 Where? He's, you know him, isn't he 285 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:49,400 from? Like is he from he's? 286 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,520 From. He's like friends with Trump, 287 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,200 you know? Senator from South Carolina. 288 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,080 That's that's Yeah, I don't know. 289 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:58,880 Well, that's another Lindsay. That's true. 290 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,880 The thing is, when I hear the name Lindsay, I pretty much only 291 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:03,600 think of Lindsay Lohan. So. 292 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,880 I know I actually almost said Lindsay Lohan the other day when 293 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,880 I was talking about it. So this is then count as second 294 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:13,920 Lindsay we've covered. Yeah, this is. 295 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:15,560 Well, he does spell it differently. 296 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,440 It's SEY, not AY. But does that count then if it's 297 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,800 different spellings? Yeah, I would say it counts. 298 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:22,720 OK. Yeah. 299 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:28,200 So Lindsay Adams, Buckingham, he's, you know, he's one of the 300 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:29,440 singers. There's three singers in 301 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,200 Fleetwood Mac, him, Stevie and Christine McPhee. 302 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,160 He's one of the singers and the lead guitarist. 303 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,040 He also had a solo career. I would describe him as 304 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,800 immensely creative. He's also been described as 305 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,800 jittery, always needs to be occupied, sort of a control 306 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,240 freak, stubborn, but seems overall optimistic. 307 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,440 And he has been called intimidating. 308 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,120 And according to Christine McVie, Lindsay's not really 309 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:59,760 close friends with anybody. Ken Callay, I know Ken Callay 310 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,440 was their sound engineer. He's also the father of Colby 311 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:07,760 Callay, remember? Yeah, their sound engineer. 312 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,680 Is. Yeah, I know. 313 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,440 I didn't know she was a nympho baby. 314 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,319 Well, anyway, he described Lindsay Buckingham as 315 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:18,440 extraordinarily talented, Extraordinarily annoying. 316 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,640 Oh, you. Know he was born October 3rd, 317 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:28,079 1949 in Palo Alto, CA. As I said, he had two brothers, 318 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:31,880 Jeff and George. His father ran a coffee roaster 319 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,920 called Alta Coffee. I don't think it was like hugely 320 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,480 successful, just kind of, you know, most cities have their 321 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,520 small coffee roasters. So that's what he did. 322 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,640 And Lindsay taught himself guitar at age 6. 323 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:47,120 Lindsay has super curly hair. In the 70s he wears wore it very 324 00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:50,160 long, like a fro. And he had a beard too. 325 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:54,200 So he has like all this hair was just his face poking out. 326 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,160 But later in the 80s, his curls are shorter and he's clean 327 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,880 shaven. And I gotta admit, very 328 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:03,720 attractive. I was getting really attracted 329 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:08,840 to Lindsay Buckingham while recording, which, you know, I, 330 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,720 I'm a millennial, you know, I didn't know. 331 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,240 I'm sure anyone older listening will be laughing at me, but I 332 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:15,480 just. I didn't really know what he 333 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,320 looked like so. Yeah, you really only know 334 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:22,640 people as whenever. OK, you know what? 335 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:23,480 I don't even know where I'm going. 336 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,400 Well, yeah, he like he wasn't in our teen magazines growing up, 337 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,320 you know. So anyway, as I said, he was at 338 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,240 that event playing that church event, playing the Mamas and the 339 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,640 Papas song California Dreaming, when the New Girl joined in 340 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,840 Stevie Nicks. She started singing with him and 341 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:44,240 harmonizing with him, and he was like, whoa, who's this? 342 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,600 He was actually a junior and she was a senior, and I'm guessing 343 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,720 they talked and hung out, but they didn't really reconnect for 344 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,120 a while. She graduated and started going 345 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:57,120 to college nearby. Lindsay was still in high school 346 00:18:57,120 --> 00:19:02,000 and he was in a band called Fritz and they needed a singer 347 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,680 at some point. And he remembered Stevie and was 348 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,440 like, hey, what about that Stevie girl? 349 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,560 And she was still in the area. So they asked her to join and 350 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,560 Stevie joined the band Fritz. And they were in Fritz together 351 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,560 for four years. And the band actually did pretty 352 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,000 well on the local scene. They opened for Jimi Hendrix and 353 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,640 Janis Joplin. Wow. 354 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,880 Yeah, they recorded a demo, but it went nowhere, I guess. 355 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,680 But Lindsay and Stevie weren't dating yet. 356 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,520 Apparently. None of the guys in the band 357 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,000 were allowed to ask Stevie out. And it was like a rule they had 358 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,680 and they both were in relationships, too. 359 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,800 But she has said, I think there was always something between me 360 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,360 and Lindsay. So, you know, they had that demo 361 00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:46,400 album they recorded and there it didn't go anywhere. 362 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,440 And the producer told them, you know, I think that you 2 are 363 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,360 really talented and you guys would have more success if you 364 00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:54,560 were a duo instead of in this band. 365 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,480 I think you should go to LA and be a duo and see how that goes. 366 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:03,000 And so they had to leave their band and they felt really bad 367 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,520 about that. But I guess they I think they 368 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,200 were just more talented than them or something. 369 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,200 So Stevie and Lindsay moved to LA and then this is like when 370 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,000 they started dating. I don't know if it's because now 371 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,640 they weren't in the band and they're like, OK, the guys won't 372 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,880 get mad at me or something. Or probably they were kind of 373 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,400 pushed together by this producer. 374 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,280 I don't know. But this is when they got 375 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,480 together. So now they're living together 376 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,840 and they're. In LA and they were roommates 377 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:31,560 and they were roommates and they were writing songs together, I 378 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:32,640 think. So they went to LA. 379 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,560 I think it was like one of those confusing things where it didn't 380 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,720 really work out and they came back to the Bay Area and they 381 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,440 because I read that they also worked in Lindsays daddy's 382 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:47,040 coffee plant after hours. So you know it, I think that it 383 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:49,360 was one of those confusing timelines where they went for a 384 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:51,760 couple months and came back. But I just thought it was cool 385 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,880 that Lindsay said in the coffee plant. 386 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,000 He said we'd drive up there at 7:00 at night and leave at 3:00 387 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,760 in the morning. And that's how we ended up with 388 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,000 10 songs and that's how we fell in love. 389 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,760 Sweet. And Lindsay's dad actually died 390 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,760 when he was 21, which it's really sad. 391 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,120 I know. So then they finally, like they 392 00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:14,400 moved to LA for real together. Stevie's parents were not happy 393 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,120 about this at all, that she was giving up college to go live 394 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:18,800 with a guy, but she was doing it. 395 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,920 She wanted to be a star. Lindsay ended up getting mono. 396 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:29,320 Mels had mono so bad that he couldn't sit up. 397 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,480 He didn't even have the strength to strum his guitar. 398 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,320 So that's actually how he got so good at finger picking. 399 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,040 Like he is a legend for his finger picking style. 400 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,960 Like if you know and never going back again, like songs like 401 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,520 that, it's because he would just lie there on his bed with his 402 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,040 guitar, like on top of him and all he could do is move his 403 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,960 fingers. And that's how he got so good at 404 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,000 it. Wow. 405 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,560 Forgive me for being like ignorant because I've never 406 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,000 gotten mono and I know nothing about it, but since they were 407 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,680 together, how did he get mono? Can't you get it from, like, 408 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,200 sharing drinks from people? But yeah, how did she not get 409 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:07,760 it? I don't know. 410 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,000 What do you know about that, Mel? 411 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,600 Yeah, everyone, by the time you're like, in your 30s, 412 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,680 everyone has been exposed to it. But it's just like COVID, like, 413 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,280 some people are symptomatic and some people are not. 414 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,080 So she might have already been exposed to mono and just had 415 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,160 like, an asymptomatic reaction to it, or she might have had 416 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,600 like, just like a cold in the past, and that was her version 417 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,000 of mono. But yeah, it's really not like, 418 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,840 you know, they say the kissing disease, it's kind of random how 419 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,000 you get it. You don't necessarily like his? 420 00:22:34,360 --> 00:22:36,240 Yeah, I don't think. He was cheating if that's what 421 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:37,960 you're. OK, no, that's what I was 422 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,360 thinking. But like, oh, all I know about 423 00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:44,480 mono is from that one episode of Glee when Finn and Quinn get 424 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,000 mono. So that's like all I know about 425 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,320 it. And so I truly, really. 426 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,600 Bad Danielle can tell you. Oh my God, yeah. 427 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,080 When you get it bad, it's the worst guy. 428 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,080 I was just. Curious like, not that he 429 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,680 cheated, but like how he got it. And then like, I don't know how 430 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,600 she didn't, you know? She was probably lucky, she 431 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,680 probably had antibodies from somewhere. 432 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,080 I mean, maybe she had a mild form. 433 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,360 That's the thing, I had mono super super bad when I was 19 434 00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:19,080 and it ruined my whole life. Yeah, I think it really does 435 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,800 that we need to spread awareness. 436 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,600 No, seriously, like people trivialize it so much as like a 437 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:29,800 young teenager kissing disease. Like it's the cold or something. 438 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,960 No, yeah, it is horrible. You will be. 439 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,040 If you have a bad, you will be out of Commission for like over 440 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,320 a year. It sucks. 441 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:40,520 But then some people I knew got it and they were like fine after 442 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,320 like a week. And that annoyed me so much 443 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,160 because it'd be like, what's wrong with you? 444 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,160 Why are you still sick? Yeah, but I, I think Lindsay had 445 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,640 it really bad. And there was this. 446 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,920 I mean, OK, I don't know that much about Lindsay before this, 447 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:59,240 but I feel like it did really affect him, like mentally as 448 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,200 well. And during this time, he wrote a 449 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,080 song that ends up being a Fleetwood Mac song later called 450 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,720 I'm So Afraid. I actually love this song. 451 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,160 It's so good. But he's like, I'll never 452 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,840 change. I never will. 453 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,360 He says I'm so afraid of the way I feel. 454 00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:18,960 And it's like a super dark song. And I don't know. 455 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,040 He wrote it during this time, but he also wrote a pretty 456 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,040 instrumental song called Stephanie. 457 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,680 So that's nice while they were living in LA. 458 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,120 So I guess he gets better and he sits up and he's able to play 459 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,080 guitar. Stevie would work as a Hostess 460 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:37,600 or a cleaning lady to pay the bills while Lindsay stayed at 461 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,800 home and practiced guitar and wrote songs. 462 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,360 And this is after he has mono. So he he is better, I think. 463 00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:48,400 But it does seem really unfair that one of them, you know, he 464 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,800 was just staying at home and like smoking pot and working on 465 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,840 guitar and she was making all the money for them. 466 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:59,440 But I guess they felt like they needed one of them to be good at 467 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:00,880 an instrument in writing the songs. 468 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,840 I don't know. But it is unfair because later 469 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,720 in life Stevie's criticized a lot for her lack of 470 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,080 musicianship, but she really never got the chance to get 471 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,200 super good at guitar because she was making the money while 472 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,360 Lindsay was at home. He was like the good guitars or 473 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,120 something. I know, I don't know. 474 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,360 He could have worked, he could have worked on the weekends or 475 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:25,000 like. He didn't work, she just paid 476 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,400 for everything. I mean I think he did have an 477 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,680 inheritance but still like it. It does seem uneven and she has 478 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,280 said about this. I ironed his jeans and sewed 479 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,000 moons and stars on them and made the House Beautiful. 480 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,360 I was the cleaning lady. OK, there's no reason to iron 481 00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:43,680 his jeans. No, that's going a little extra 482 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:44,440 for. That. 483 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,680 Well, some of them. Are you just saying you 484 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,040 shouldn't iron jeans at all or she doesn't have to iron his 485 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,120 jeans? Yeah, he's home. 486 00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:54,080 What the heck? He's home all day. 487 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,640 Also, yeah, like, why does he even need to wear jeans if he's 488 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,560 home all day? Who wears jeans at home? 489 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:06,960 Actually, Kelly. Does I do, I do and I do irons 490 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,760 on my jeans. I don't even own that. 491 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,920 Either, you know, the more loose leg ones, like they get wrinkly. 492 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,120 I guess, but again, like who's he trying to impress? 493 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:24,200 If he's just at home or he's just around, I don't know. 494 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,120 I think Lindsay does care about his appearance. 495 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:30,280 He's not really the type to just be in sweatpants. 496 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,000 I think, well, you know what he can learn if if he's home, I 497 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,960 know, I know he can learn how to. 498 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,840 He can he. Can learn to iron his own jeans. 499 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,040 I think that Stevie's point wasn't necessarily that like he 500 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,600 was a brat. I think she just like, was 501 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,200 devoted to him, like she loved him. 502 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,840 You know, I think that's just her point with that quote. 503 00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:51,400 I don't want to generalize but I did read once somewhere. 504 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,400 Again, I don't want to stereotype and apply gender 505 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:59,680 norms, but actually like a lot of women think that if they do a 506 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,360 lot for a man, that that will make the man loyal to them or 507 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:06,880 make them love them more, you know, like, but almost like 508 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,880 treating them the way their mother would. 509 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,480 But it's actually the opposite. A man will love you more when 510 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:17,720 he's given the opportunity to do stuff for you because then he 511 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,560 thinks, I've invested all this work and it just like 512 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,040 psychologically makes them think, oh, I must like, I love 513 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,320 this person because I've done all these things for them. 514 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,600 But if you do a lot of stuff like that, like bend over 515 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,480 backwards to basically be their mom, they'll just like take it 516 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,680 for granted and like won't even really recognize it. 517 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,560 Not all men. Again, I'm not one generalize, 518 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,440 but just something to keep in mind that, you know, you're no 519 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,480 one's unless it is your child, You're not their mother. 520 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,880 And they, yeah, I don't know, they won't even notice that, 521 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,040 Like their clothes are put away for them. 522 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,440 I think that that somewhat did play into their relationship, 523 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,160 actually. It's funny you say that because, 524 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,360 you know, they would go on to record together a lot. 525 00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:01,280 And whenever Lindsay had a bad day in the studio, he would kind 526 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,360 of like, go to Stevie for comfort, kind of as if she was 527 00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:08,320 her mom or something. And she would be like, I'm, you 528 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,440 know, I can't. Sometimes she would agree with 529 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,560 whatever criticism the band had. And it was like a tough place to 530 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,840 be. Like he wanted her to like, take 531 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,640 care of him basically. But she was in the band too. 532 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,200 So it's it was just a weird dynamic. 533 00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:25,680 But anyway, back to their LA apartment life. 534 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,480 Finally, their duo. They were calling themselves 535 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,120 Buckingham Knicks. They got a contract with Anthem 536 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:35,040 Records, which was a small independent label that was like 537 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,320 an offshoot of a bigger label. And they recorded an album 538 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,680 together. And I think it all went fine. 539 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,280 But there was one issue, which was the cover. 540 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,360 The photographer said it wasn't sexy enough and wanted them both 541 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,680 to be topless. And Stevie said, I'm actually 542 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,680 quite prudish. So when they suggested they 543 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,200 shoot Lindsay and me nude on the cover, I could not have been 544 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,480 more terrified. Lindsay was like, oh, come on, 545 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,480 this is art, don't be a child. I thought, who are you? 546 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,000 Don't you know me? I did it because I felt like a 547 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,440 rat and a trap. But she regretted it. 548 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,440 And then from then on, she told herself she would never let 549 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,040 herself feel pressured into doing something like that again. 550 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,800 Yeah. Yeah, so their debut album, 551 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,080 Buckingham Knicks, was released September 1973. 552 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,840 And yeah, so he's topless. They're both topless. 553 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,200 You can't really see anything. Like her shoulder is kind of 554 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,800 covering her chest. But it, I mean, it is kind of 555 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,480 shocking that they're just out there topless. 556 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,960 People say this album is really good and I really want to hear 557 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,040 it, but you can't stream it. It was never made into a CD. 558 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,200 You can't buy an iTunes or anything. 559 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,400 It's out there on like some vinyls if you can find it or get 560 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,680 it on eBay or something, but it's not like available really 561 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,760 today. And that's partly because of 562 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:53,320 Stevie's current feelings for Lindsay and being unwilling to 563 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,480 go through the process of publishing it again. 564 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,720 So that's why you can't hear it. Is there something also that 565 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,160 spoiler connected to the spoiler? 566 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,960 Like the topless nature of it also. 567 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,320 Maybe. But OK, here's the weird thing. 568 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,120 I'm jumping way ahead. Kind of recently on her 569 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,560 Instagram, Stevie posted a picture of it and was like, I 570 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:20,240 mean, how many years ago was that 40 year anniversary of it's 571 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,080 our anniversary of Buckingham Knicks? 572 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,400 Like she posted it. So I don't know if I don't think 573 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,040 she is that bothered by the cover anymore I feel like. 574 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,480 A lot of older celebrities do that, though. 575 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,000 Their Instagram is just like a lot of like throwbacks. 576 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,720 Yeah, maybe. Maybe somebody else did it. 577 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:35,680 Maybe it wasn't even. Her. 578 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,200 Yeah, yeah, she might be paying someone to. 579 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,120 Yeah, especially if she is, I mean, you're going to get into 580 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,600 this. So I don't know the full story. 581 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:48,680 If she is hesitant to re release it, it would be weird to be like 582 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,920 40 years celebrating this album that no one can listen to, you 583 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,000 know? So it seems like it would 584 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,040 probably be like some paid employee who's running her 585 00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,120 Instagram. Yeah. 586 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,440 Oh, an anniversary is coming up of one of her albums. 587 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,840 We're going to post it or whatever, you know. 588 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,200 I want to hear it though, because people say it's 589 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,680 basically like a Fleetwood Mac album in a way. 590 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,320 Maybe I'll buy like a $60.00 fine a little bit. 591 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,920 Oh, $60.00 that's not as much as. 592 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,360 Yeah, it's not that fit. No, there's. 593 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:23,480 Gonna be like 600. OK, the $60.00 ones are bootleg. 594 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,320 So somebody else like recorded it and then pressed it. 595 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,080 If you want to get like a real original. 596 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,080 I mean, some people say I was like looking on Reddit. 597 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,600 Some people say they just found it at record stores. 598 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,440 I don't know. I'm going to keep my eyes open. 599 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,240 Same for Lana, you know, her early albums are like that too. 600 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,160 They're just, some of them are out there. 601 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,960 You can get them on eBay for like $70.00 or something. 602 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,600 But anyway, randomly, I just have a bullet point here where I 603 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,600 said Lindsay has sort of a high pitched kind of Western, I guess 604 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,040 Californian voice, Stevie's voice a little Husky singing. 605 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,040 Lindsay is able to sing very high, almost feminine sometimes, 606 00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,960 but also low. I don't know, I think their 607 00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:01,440 voices sound very interesting together. 608 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,960 So even before they joined Fleetwood Mac, Lindsay and 609 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,000 Stevie started having issues. Yeah, As I said, there's a lot 610 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,960 of pressure being creative and romantic partner simultaneously. 611 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,680 And even though they were very devoted to each other, they were 612 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,000 also very competitive over whose songs were best and things like 613 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,160 that because they both would write lyrics. 614 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,600 Stevie only knew, like, a couple chords on the guitar, but she 615 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,520 would write the melodies. And then she would kind of like, 616 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,960 bring them to Lindsay, and he would flush it out and turn it 617 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,680 into more of a song. I guess in 1974, just to make 618 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,760 some money, Lindsay took a job playing guitar in Don Everly's 619 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,680 backing group. So he went on tour and while he 620 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,600 was the keyboard player in that band, offered Stevie his lodge 621 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,600 in Aspen, Co. So she made the 13 hour drive 622 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:54,400 from LA to Aspen just to get some time away from LA and chill 623 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,120 out. And I think it just sounded like 624 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,240 a cool opportunity. So she's staying at this guy's 625 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,000 house in Aspen, and this is when she started writing the song 626 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,920 Landslide. Like by herself. 627 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,760 Yep, I think she like visited a friend that lived there. 628 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,480 But yeah, she was just there by herself. 629 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:15,040 And so you know when she writes, I saw my reflection in the snow 630 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,280 covered hills. That's Aspen. 631 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,480 And she was, she was grappling with what to do in life. 632 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,320 You know, her and Lindsay had this album, but it was kind of a 633 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:24,880 flop. It didn't go anywhere. 634 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,960 And things were shaky with him. And you know, when she writes, 635 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,760 I've been afraid of changing because I've built my life 636 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,240 around you. That's about him. 637 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,440 I know. Did you guys? 638 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:41,920 See recently when Tom Brady posted the song to his story. 639 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,280 It was landslide. Well, it was landslide. 640 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,160 It was a cover. By the chicks. 641 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,280 But he boasted it to the story, like the day that the news of 642 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:54,400 Giselle being pregnant with another man came out. 643 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,640 So, so funny. I know, so sad. 644 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,600 He would just let the world. He would just let the world know 645 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,600 that he's like in his feelings. And I was like that. 646 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,560 It was like and it was specifically. 647 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,320 Like he made it on Instagram. You know how you like, you can 648 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,480 put the lyrics to the song, too. Yeah, it was specifically. 649 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,920 The lyrics that. Were can I handle the seasons of 650 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,840 my life like I think I think it might have been the I've been 651 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,679 afraid of changing cause I've built my life around you line. 652 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,840 Oh my gosh. The caption also was. 653 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,199 Just, Oh my God, he really wanted. 654 00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:32,400 Oh yeah, it was three hearts. What was the caption? 655 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,560 Oh, I mean, doesn't that song touch everybody I know? 656 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,159 It's so good. And I feel like time and time 657 00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:43,679 again, like all these horrible things they go through just 658 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:47,080 creates beautiful music. What were you going to say 659 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,920 though? I was going to say. 660 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,880 I don't know why. Like before I knew much about 661 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,400 Fleetwood Mac, I thought that she wrote that song later. 662 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,480 I don't know. Me too because I feel like. 663 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,720 I didn't know, I would think. That someone would. 664 00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:03,080 Have more life experience to write that song almost I know I. 665 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:03,840 Didn't I? Didn't. 666 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,240 Realize that Fleetwood Mac really went back into her, I 667 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:11,200 guess, catalogue of songs. Yeah, yeah. 668 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,840 She had been worried because Lindsay was away on tour. 669 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,760 She was worried about groupies and such that he might cheat on 670 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,480 her. But for all of Lindsay's faults 671 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,920 that will come up, I don't think he was ever unfaithful. 672 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,120 OK, that's good. That's. 673 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,200 Good. I was kind of worried about 674 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:29,080 that. Yeah, but when? 675 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,280 He returned to Aspen after this tour. 676 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,360 For some reason he was in a very bad mood and I don't think we as 677 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,320 a public know why. We don't know. 678 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,520 But he was so mad and he left with the car that she had driven 679 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,000 there. So he drove back to LA and she 680 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,920 was just left stuck there. But her dad was the VP of 681 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,640 Greyhound, so he was very easily able to get her a bus pass. 682 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,360 And her parents ended up just getting her a flight back to LA. 683 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,480 But it was very dramatic, like something happened where he was 684 00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,160 like, I'm leaving and he drove back without her. 685 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:01,880 And I'm not even in Fleetwood Mac yet. 686 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,440 It's already very turbulent. How did he? 687 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,360 Get to Aspen. I don't know, I guess the 688 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,360 Torbrus. Brought him or something I don't 689 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,160 or I I have no idea how he got there but some somehow he got 690 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,880 there. Well wait a SEC cause the guy in 691 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,960 the band lived there. That was the house she was at. 692 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,600 So I guess he maybe. Brought Lindsay back with him 693 00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:25,560 and then. And that was their car I. 694 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,600 Think yeah, And then he. Ditched her there. 695 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,800 Yeah, he he left. Her That's awful so. 696 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,120 I know. So how did they join Fleetwood 697 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,480 Mac? The story. 698 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,000 Goes. Because Fleetwood Mac was 699 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,360 already a band that existed. They were an English Blues band, 700 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,320 so kind of different how we think of them today. 701 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,840 They were at the studio, I guess, working on trying to make 702 00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,480 our next record, Sound City Studio. 703 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,240 And Mick Fleetwood was theirs. And he heard them playing and he 704 00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:58,120 was really impressed. And Mick asked Lindsay. 705 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,480 Just Lindsay if he would join Fleetwood Mac because they had 706 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,880 recently lost their guitarist Bob Welch, and Lindsay was 707 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,440 hesitant to join. Actually, he really liked what 708 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,520 they had going on in Buckingham Knicks. 709 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,320 They had, you know, their album wasn't that successful, but they 710 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,160 had a little bit of popularity in Alabama randomly, But Stevie 711 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,200 said, are you crazy? We need the money. 712 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,200 Fleetwood Mac was already pretty successful band. 713 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,080 So Lindsay said, sure, I'll join, but you have to take my 714 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,960 girlfriend Stevie too. And Mick said yes, wow. 715 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,880 So Lindsay Stevie joined the band. 716 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,000 I think you could imagine, because Christine Mcvee was in 717 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,640 the band too, and she was one of the singers. 718 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,800 And I think you could imagine her feeling maybe a little weird 719 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,720 that now there's another female singer. 720 00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:42,880 You know, she was kind of like the token girl in the group. 721 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,480 But I don't know. Apparently she was very gracious 722 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,240 and welcoming to Stevie and they became friends. 723 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,680 So they began working on an album together February 1975. 724 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,080 And Lindsay and Stevie I guess brought a lot of new excitement 725 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,280 and chemistry to the band. They had been struggling for a 726 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,400 while after losing a bunch of members, and they were really 727 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,200 happy that it sounded great, like these new members made the 728 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,160 band a lot better, they felt. And Stevie and Lindsay came with 729 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,760 a bunch of songs already written like Ran in and Landslide and 730 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,880 Monday Morning, and they just turned those into Fleetwood Mac 731 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,560 songs basically. So Mick Fleetwood, he was the 732 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,720 drummer. He was essentially the 733 00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:23,520 bandleader. Like it was his band 734 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,440 essentially. Even though he had just joined, 735 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,520 he kind of had to tell Lindsay that. 736 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,920 Like, you know, it's, it's kind of my band because Lindsay had 737 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,520 so many ideas and opinions about what things should go. 738 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,800 So they're already having a little bit of tension. 739 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,040 I was going to. Say, because I feel like it'd be 740 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,040 so awkward to join a band and there's already members there 741 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,840 and then just be like, and here's all the ideas that we 742 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,960 have for it and like here's these songs you have and oh, 743 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,920 include my girlfriend and she can be singers and it's like he 744 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,720 just like took over if. You joined a band. 745 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,000 I feel like if that was me, I would really just like stick to 746 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,920 the sidelines cuz that's just kind of the person that I am. 747 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,960 Even if they asked my opinion, I'd be like, Oh no, it's like 748 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,400 you're banned. I don't know. 749 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,640 Like I just joined. Like no, I wouldn't even. 750 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,240 I mean how long I would need to be in a band before I would even 751 00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:20,320 start to voice my opinion. To be fair to Lindsay, that. 752 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:25,040 Was his hesitation like he already had a vision like he 753 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,560 that's why he didn't want to join Fleetwood back in a way. 754 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,160 Like he wanted to have control over their songs and such. 755 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,920 And yeah, I think they just expected him to be a guitarist, 756 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,520 but he really came. Charging in I would compare. 757 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,360 Him to like Paul McCartney and The Beatles, if you remember 758 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,280 that like him saying like we should do this, we should do 759 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,040 this like, well you do this like telling people what to do, but I 760 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:47,800 feel. Like they. 761 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,560 Needed them more than the other way around. 762 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:51,600 It's so funny. Because. 763 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,960 As time went on, I think of the band as Stevie's band. 764 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:56,760 That would be a point of. Contention. 765 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,760 I know this sucks but. Like, it wasn't until recently. 766 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:05,480 And sorry to all the older generation people who may be 767 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:10,080 listening, but I didn't know that Fleetwood Mac was named for 768 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,480 people in the band. Yeah, yeah, it's Nick. 769 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,480 Fleetwood and then John Mcvie. That's where the name came from. 770 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,440 But I had no I know. It's confusing because. 771 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,680 I think Stevie and Lindsay are the stars of the band. 772 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,200 Are they the two people who are on? 773 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,800 The cover of the Rumors album. No, Caitlin. 774 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,480 Asked me that the other day. Actually, no, that is Mick 775 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:37,600 Fleetwood and Stevie. Oh, OK, So these songs that they 776 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,680 brought to the table ran in landslide. 777 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,080 These ended up on the Fleetwood Mac album, often called the 778 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,960 White Album. So we're not at rumors yet, but 779 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,440 this is such a Yeah, well, it's called Fleetwood Mac. 780 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,320 It's like self-titled. I know. 781 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:52,600 It's weird. It's just like The Beatles. 782 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:53,280 They have. I know. 783 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,720 I was going to say the. Self-titled I'll you take. 784 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,400 That from the you know and this one, it it looks stylistically 785 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,640 kind of similar to rumors the cover, but this one has just 786 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,480 John and Mick on the cover. It's it's such a good album. 787 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,160 But even then there were jealousies and dramas starting. 788 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,760 Stevie was jealous that Lindsay and Christine had written the 789 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,880 song World's Turning Together and she is quoted saying I had 790 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,360 been with Lindsay all these years and we had never written a 791 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,280 song together. I think she means like the 792 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,960 lyrics. Was that by Choi? 793 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,880 I guess, yeah, I mean I. Think Lindsay and Stevie had 794 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,200 always like separately written lyrics and melodies and then 795 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,600 they would like come together and flesh it out. 796 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,240 But in this case, Lindsay and Christine like sat down and 797 00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:38,400 wrote World's turning together. And she was jealous of that. 798 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,680 So this self-titled album was a huge success. 799 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,960 It had hits like Monday Morning, Landslide, Say You Love Me, 800 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,760 Rhiannon and the band went on tour. 801 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,320 And so, you know, we've heard about drama happening with 802 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,240 Lindsay and Stevie, but John and Christine McPhee were having 803 00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:56,120 issues too. And their marriage actually did 804 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,840 not make it through this tour. They were going to get divorced. 805 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:01,360 Oh my God. Just. 806 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,200 Crazy, I know. Lindsay and Stevie were fighting 807 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,760 as well, and Stevie would find refuge with Christine. 808 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,040 You know, the two of them would be together kind of like the 809 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,040 girls versus the guys, but Lindsay was sort of out on his 810 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,200 own socially. He wasn't really buds with the 811 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,160 other guys, so he would just be in his hotel room, like 812 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,960 feverishly writing songs and struggling with demons and 813 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,440 roses, according to the Stevie Nicks book. 814 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,440 And Lindsay start to notice that Mick Fleetwood seemed attracted 815 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,800 to Stevie. They were always goofing off 816 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,080 together, and one day they were all smoking weed together and 817 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,920 Lindsay abruptly turned to Mick and said it's you and Stevie, 818 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,800 isn't it? And Mick just hammered I don't 819 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,880 know what you mean. And it was just never mentioned 820 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,920 again. What but that? 821 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,040 Would come back. It just feels like. 822 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,720 It's never a good idea to mix relationships with work, 823 00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:56,960 especially. Being a musician. 824 00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,440 I mean, not like work work. Like I think if you're working 825 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,320 an office job, yeah. I mean, sure, there's drawbacks 826 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,280 from that, but if you're into somebody and they're into you, 827 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,440 go for it. I wouldn't hold back. 828 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,760 But like Blake Shetland and Mariah Lambert, that didn't work 829 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,040 out. And then this is just it, just 830 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,960 chaos. Like you don't want your whole 831 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,280 career to fall apart just because you know of your 832 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,040 relationship, at least for normal people, for the most 833 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,040 part. Like let's say if you are 834 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,360 working in office, you could just find a job somewhere else. 835 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,000 But if your whole job is being a singer and being a part of a 836 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,400 band, what are you going to do? I know I feel like the only. 837 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,480 Thing with that is like it's almost unavoidable if you're 838 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,160 spending all this time together and you're attracted to each 839 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,840 other. Like I feel like the alternative 840 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,080 is you date someone else who's not in the band and then 841 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,680 problems arise because they're jealous that you're spending all 842 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,240 this time with someone that you have intense chemistry with. 843 00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:57,440 And then you know one thing leads to another and you have. 844 00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,840 One too many. Glasses of wine and next thing 845 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,440 you know it's. True. 846 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,040 So if you're. In bands just don't have a 847 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,400 romantic partner I guess is what the it's. 848 00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:12,720 I think. I think it's hard, like Mel was 849 00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:13,960 saying. I mean, I actually put this 850 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,720 later in my notes, but I was watching a lot of live 851 00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:19,640 performances of them and I sent you guys some clips we're going 852 00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,720 to watch later. But and Oh my God, we're almost 853 00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:22,680 at an hour. What the heck? 854 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,280 We're only on Page 5. Playing on stage together. 855 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,000 It's almost like being at a party or like a club. 856 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,360 Like the music is so emotional. The bass, I mean, John McPhee is 857 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,600 amazing at bass. The bass is pulsing. 858 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,320 The lights are on you. You're next to each other. 859 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,400 You're singing how you feel, like I can just imagine. 860 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,520 How could you deny that? You know what I mean? 861 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,120 Like, it seems so passionate. Every night you're basically at 862 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,920 a party under these lights looking at each other. 863 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,920 Like I think it would be very hard to deny in a way. 864 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,240 So yeah, this self-titled album was hit and they went on tour 865 00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:58,240 for it. And I almost feel like to 866 00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:02,120 compare it to modern times, like just imagine, let's just pretend 867 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,760 like Chapel Ron was a band and you know, this album was super 868 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,200 successful. Imagine if like then she had 869 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,600 another album that was like even more of a big deal. 870 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,680 I feel like that's what happened with Rumors. 871 00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:20,040 Like the self-titled was already really big, but then Rumours 872 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:24,960 happened and it was just crazy. But like, they were building. 873 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,840 They were building. And then this other one comes 874 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:28,960 out. I just have this quote. 875 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,440 So we're going to get segue into Rumors now. 876 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,160 But when Muncie Buckingham hears a song from Rumors on the radio, 877 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,400 he sometimes listens, but his knee jerk reaction is to change 878 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,000 the station because it dredges up subtext around the songs and 879 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,720 that's not always pleasant. And that's from that Fleetwood 880 00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:48,880 MacBook mentioned earlier. This album is crazy, has 881 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,160 secondhand news, dreams, never going back again, don't stop, Go 882 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,960 your own way. Those are just the opening 5 883 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,640 songs. Then there's also the chain You 884 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,120 make loving fun. I don't want to know just so 885 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,040 good you can go your. Own way. 886 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,800 Go. Away. 887 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,560 Yeah, and you know. Everyone knows it already, but 888 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,880 everybody was breaking up. So John and Christine were 889 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,440 getting divorced. Nick Fleetwood and his wife, 890 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:21,480 Jenny Boyd, were splitting up. She's actually the sister of 891 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:26,160 Patti Boyd, who was married to George Harrison and then caught 892 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,840 with Eric Clapton. That one, Yeah. 893 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,480 So feels like her sister. Like deal with the devil. 894 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:38,160 Or something for fame that was like, you're gonna be famous and 895 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,040 successful, but you're all, yeah, divorced. 896 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,240 And break. Up and have a terrible romantic 897 00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:49,000 relationship time of it you know I know it's one. 898 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,560 Of the other I guess. It was a balance, so they had a 899 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,960 lot of problems. During the making of this album, 900 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,280 obviously everyone was distressed and depressed and 901 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,760 breaking down and on drugs, copious amounts of cocaine. 902 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,440 But people will also say that it was kind problems stemmed also 903 00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:10,920 from Mick being a poor leader, not necessarily just because of 904 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,640 the breakups, but I mean them had to contribute to it. 905 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,760 But Mick, I mean, he this was kind of a bad idea. 906 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,800 I think he rented a house for all of them outside of Miami to 907 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,280 record the album. Like, I don't know, like should 908 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,360 you all just be like in the same space constantly all the time? 909 00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:29,240 I know, especially if they're. Like some of them are going 910 00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:30,280 through divorce. Some of them. 911 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,080 Yeah, two of them. Yeah, two of them are married. 912 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,560 A married couple that's getting divorced. 913 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,000 I'm sure some of them can. You know, record separately, 914 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,080 yeah, but later on. They did move to San Francisco 915 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,200 area, so you know, Lindsay and Stevia are still together, but 916 00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,080 they're starting to fight a lot. And there's one story about how 917 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,200 they were recording backing vocals for You Make Loving Fun 918 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,600 and they just both exploded for some reason. 919 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,720 Nobody remembers why, but Stevie yelled fuck you asshole, and 920 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,960 Lindsay said he's moving out of their apartment once Rumors was 921 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,560 finished. And then they just went right 922 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,040 back to singing. I wonder. 923 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,120 What was happening? I think that. 924 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,960 Lindsay could be kind of critical about the music and I, 925 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:15,880 I think they both were very sensitive. 926 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,280 I think that he was also jealous sometimes. 927 00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,400 And Stevie, I think also was kind of flirting with Nick 928 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,000 Fleetwood and like, there was just a lot going on. 929 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,680 But Stevie was actually the one who officially ended it with 930 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,280 Lindsay. She couldn't really take his 931 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,200 moods anymore, and she is the one that broke up with him. 932 00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:35,960 And in his own words, he said that he was devastated. 933 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,800 I think that even though they fought a ton, he didn't think 934 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,240 that they would actually break up, you know, and they had only 935 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,640 apparently only been together for four years, which I don't 936 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,280 know how that all fit into four years, but it did. 937 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,160 And Stevie, you know, she was becoming star of the show, as 938 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,600 you said, Mel, which really bothered Lindsay, especially 939 00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,360 since Stevie only wrote really simple songs like the melodies 940 00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,280 and kind of relied on him to turn them into full songs, even 941 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,720 the songs about him. So he was getting really annoyed 942 00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:06,680 that, like, she just would be like, hey, I have this song I 943 00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:09,720 wrote. And then he, he felt like he was 944 00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:12,400 like, turning it into the hit songs. 945 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,560 And then she was getting all the credit for it. 946 00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,840 And they were very competitive with each other. 947 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,080 So they're broken up. Christine and Stevie officially 948 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,920 move out of the house and rented their own apartments to get away 949 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,560 from the guys. Yeah. 950 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,360 And Lindsay was convinced that Christine was influencing Stevie 951 00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,000 to break up with him. Like, as if it was this packed, 952 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,840 like, let's all, I'll break up with the men or something. 953 00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,520 Even though they had broken up, though, Lindsay was still going 954 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:41,440 over to sleep over sometimes. So they were still together. 955 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,800 Yeah. Girl, you need to like put your. 956 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,680 Foot down or something. He was still sleeping. 957 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,760 Over people were just going crazy though, Like they weren't 958 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,480 sleeping. They were taking tons of 959 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,360 cocaine. Yeah, literally like working all 960 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,040 night. I I just imagine it being like a 961 00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,800 total mess too. I think. 962 00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,240 I think it was. How old are they right now? 963 00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,280 I was going to ask that. OK, 1976. 964 00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:09,040 Stevie was born in 1948. OK? 965 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,240 So she was 28. OK. 966 00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:15,240 OK. 27. I guess I thought they were 967 00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:17,360 going to. Be still in their early 20s by 968 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,560 this point, but. I was going to give them a. 969 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,080 Pass I was. Going to be like, they're still 970 00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,280 in their early 20s. They're still figuring it out. 971 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,280 28 is. Early 20s Kate. 972 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:33,840 Yeah, Mel's 20. Eight. 973 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,920 What are you trying to say? They're ancient. 974 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,840 I didn't say she wasn't young, I just didn't say she wasn't early 975 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,440 20s. Yeah, yeah. 976 00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,840 I know it's kind of cool in a way. 977 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,200 I like that they're not super young, but it's also a little 978 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:55,040 strange because it is so over the top and sometimes childish. 979 00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,440 So we've talked about this a little bit in like the Phoebe 980 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,040 Bridgers episode. We were so mystified about like, 981 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,160 how the heck, Like how does Phoebe still? 982 00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,840 How is she still in a band with her drummer who she used to 983 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,880 date? And she writes songs about him. 984 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,920 Like, how does that happen? And I feel like we, because 985 00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:16,200 she's a more recent celebrity, we don't have insight into that. 986 00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,240 You know, there aren't like biographies written about her, 987 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,400 but I feel like you can kind of get a little inside. 988 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,160 Look at what that's like here. Because, you know, Stevie and 989 00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,480 Lindsay were writing about each other for this album while they 990 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,440 were breaking up, and you wonder, like, how the heck did 991 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,120 that happen? It wasn't easy, though. 992 00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,240 It wasn't chill. It wasn't like they just showed 993 00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:37,560 up and was like, hey, I have this song. 994 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,960 They wanted to be a very honest, I think in their songs for some 995 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,320 reason, but they were very afraid to share them. 996 00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:47,040 And Lindsay would hide the lyrics from Stevie in case you 997 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,480 would object to them. Like the song Secondhand News, 998 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,880 which Lindsay wrote for months, it was just an instrumental 999 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,480 because he didn't want anybody to hear what the lyrics were. 1000 00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,760 And in the early versions of the lyrics, like in the demos, you 1001 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,280 can hear he's sort of mumbling them. 1002 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,880 Like he just doesn't want Stevie to hear what he's actually 1003 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,240 saying, which is crazy because like, they're in this van 1004 00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:08,440 together and they have these secrets, you know? 1005 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:10,240 You know she's. Weird. 1006 00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:14,440 Eventually, I know, I know. That would be like intoxicating 1007 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,120 for me if I'm. Going through a breakup I got 1008 00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:21,200 like, you know like normal, normal people are like over 1009 00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:26,600 analyzing their social media or like their Venmo transaction. 1010 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:28,640 I. Know, but we get to like. 1011 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,080 Basically hear their diary and like what they're saying about 1012 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,160 us. I would be waiting. 1013 00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,200 No, but like edge of my. Seat to hear. 1014 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:40,240 That the better side. Of it would be able to express 1015 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,120 your thoughts and be able to have them hear it. 1016 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,240 Yeah, but under the guise of. Like artistic? 1017 00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,520 Creativity. Too like, under the guise of 1018 00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,640 like making art rather than like, just like bombarding them 1019 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,320 with like your thoughts and. True, true, true. 1020 00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,240 Like. Annoying text message, yeah, but 1021 00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:01,080 I just thought. That was really. 1022 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,440 Human and cool to hear that. I don't know. 1023 00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,320 I think sometimes I think like, how do these stars do this? 1024 00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,520 They just, you know, put their feelings aside. 1025 00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,720 But it sounds like it was very hard, obviously, that he was 1026 00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:14,880 hiding it. And the lyrics to that song 1027 00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,600 aren't super bad, but I guess, I guess they're kind of 1028 00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,920 vulnerable. He says, I know there's nothing 1029 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,680 to say. Someone has taken my place. 1030 00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,040 And that would refer to Don Henley of the Eagles because 1031 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,480 Stevie quickly started dating him. 1032 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,280 And it's kind of funny because he actually has super curly 1033 00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,480 hair, too. I guess she's just like, just 1034 00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,200 like Lindsey Buckingham. And then he also in the song 1035 00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,080 says, I've been tossed around enough. 1036 00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,280 I'm just secondhand news. I don't really know what he 1037 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,440 means by that, to be honest. He did. 1038 00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:50,760 Feel like he was kind of like not that important in the band 1039 00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:55,400 comparatively to Stevie. Oh, like she's front page news 1040 00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,080 and I'm just like secondhand news. 1041 00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,600 Like I don't really matter. Yeah, it's all about her. 1042 00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,080 Thanks, Kate. That makes sense. 1043 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:03,480 That's what I'm just gathering from. 1044 00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:05,640 What you told no and it could be no, but I. 1045 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,880 I was thinking only like in a relationship way and I couldn't 1046 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,200 really figure it out. But I mean maybe in their 1047 00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,040 relationship he also. Also felt like it was all about 1048 00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,000 her. But that's just my 1049 00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,480 interpretation. I think that's good insight. 1050 00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,840 You know Stevie also wrote Dreams in the fallout of their 1051 00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:25,400 breakup, which is amazing. Song Thunder. 1052 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,040 Only happens. When it's raining, players only 1053 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,840 love you when they're playing. Although I do wonder if if she 1054 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,120 meant player in a different way than we think player because I 1055 00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:41,520 don't really think of Lindsay as a player so I don't know what 1056 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:43,960 would be. The other interpretation maybe 1057 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,800 just like he plays. Games like mind games type of 1058 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,800 thing, Isn't that what a player is? 1059 00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,560 Well, I think of a. Player as more like a guy that I 1060 00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:56,480 guess that is part of it but that he is like non committal 1061 00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,840 and and like. Like gets with a lot of people. 1062 00:55:01,240 --> 00:55:04,360 Yeah, but I don't really, I, I don't think that's Lindsay. 1063 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,120 So maybe it was more literally like, yeah, someone that plays 1064 00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,440 with your head or something, like she got played. 1065 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:15,280 And then Lindsay also. Wrote Go your own Way and Stevie 1066 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,920 hated the line shaking up packing up is all you want to 1067 00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:23,120 do, but she had to sing it and do backup vocals for it. 1068 00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,960 But she hated it because it was like he was accusing her of just 1069 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,040 wanting to go out and sleep around. 1070 00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,360 There were some songs that Stevie would approach him to 1071 00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:35,720 work on and he would say, no, I don't want this on the record. 1072 00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,880 And she would cry and yell I hate you so. 1073 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,120 Oh my God. Wait, who are the members? 1074 00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:43,080 Of the band. OK. 1075 00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,280 So it's them two. There's Mick Fleetwood, who is 1076 00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,680 basically the it's his band, he's the drummer. 1077 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,480 There's John Mcvee. He's the bassist and Christine 1078 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,680 Mcvee, who's piano and also sings, and she's the right song. 1079 00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:57,840 And then that's it. Yeah. 1080 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,920 Why does it matter? If Lindsay wants it on the 1081 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,920 album, why does he get a say over everybody else? 1082 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,440 He was like. Essentially the producer. 1083 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,840 I don't know why, and I don't know how that happened. 1084 00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:12,240 Yeah, I don't know. I don't. 1085 00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,240 I don't know if the rest of the band got involved. 1086 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,680 I know that sometimes Christine McPhee, I mean, she's a really 1087 00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,080 cool lady, but sometimes she didn't love Stevie songs. 1088 00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,240 So maybe she just would agree with Lindsay and say like, no, 1089 00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:28,640 like, I don't know, Also like. I know he was going through his 1090 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,240 own divorce. I think that's what you said 1091 00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:33,960 earlier. But poor Fleetwood because he 1092 00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:39,000 just has these two couples that are probably just going through 1093 00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,520 things on the daily just constantly. 1094 00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,000 I don't know how he dealt with it breaking. 1095 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,080 Down and screaming and he's. Yelling. 1096 00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:53,320 Too, And I don't know how, you know, screaming and crying the 1097 00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,120 other couple was, but I know I don't think they were. 1098 00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,520 Really, I think, OK, that's good, at least I think. 1099 00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,480 John and Christine. At least like in the studio were 1100 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,120 a little more composed and just didn't really talk to each 1101 00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:05,880 other. Another song we have to talk 1102 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:10,800 about is Silver Springs. Stevie wrote this song about 1103 00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,640 Lindsay and it was intended to be on the album but ultimately 1104 00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,240 it was cut because Mick. So Mick is still kind of in 1105 00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,680 charge because Mick felt like there wasn't room for another 1106 00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,760 ballad and that it was too long. It ended up being a single on AB 1107 00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,960 side of Go Your Own Way, which was like both Lindsay and 1108 00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:31,080 Stevie's breakup songs and Stevie was pissed when she found 1109 00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:32,760 out that this wasn't going to be on the album. 1110 00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,720 She like threw a fit in the parking lot. 1111 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,960 Silver Springs is an amazing song and it was sort of a deep 1112 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,680 cut for a long time because it was only a single, you know, But 1113 00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:46,280 it did get its shining moment in 1997, which we'll get to in Part 1114 00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,440 2 and we will look at the lyrics then. 1115 00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,760 So Lindsay said about recording rumors. 1116 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,800 He said I still had to see Stevie every day and never got a 1117 00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,000 chance to get any closure. I still had to try and do the 1118 00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,320 right thing for her and in some ironic sense help her move away. 1119 00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,520 We were also aware that there was this calling, this destiny 1120 00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,360 that we needed to fulfil. Whatever was going on with one's 1121 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,720 personal life was secondary to this calling. 1122 00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,960 They've talked a lot about feeling like it was destiny or 1123 00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,920 something that they had to be in Fleetwood Mac. 1124 00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,160 And yeah, as I said, like, he was upset that Stevie would 1125 00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:22,920 write these songs about him that were really bare bones, kind of 1126 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,560 like, I feel like if I wrote a song, you know, like, I know a 1127 00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:29,280 couple chords, like. And then you know I need. 1128 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,240 Help and he was annoyed that he would like help her with them 1129 00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,160 and then they would turn into these hits and they were more 1130 00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:39,040 popular than quote his songs. So he was starting to get 1131 00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:40,960 jealous and like resentful about that. 1132 00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,720 The band spent over a year recording his album. 1133 00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,800 It was total chaos working nocturnal hours and people only 1134 00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,320 working when they felt like it. Well, I was just going to say 1135 00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,120 like. Sorry, I keep having like all 1136 00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,520 these allusions to things and like references and stuff, but 1137 00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,240 no, it's cool, Elton. John and. 1138 00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:04,880 His partner? Writing partner Bernie Toppin. 1139 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,120 Well. Bernie Toppin, he can write 1140 00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:11,640 lyrics, but he can't really write the like the instrumental 1141 00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,880 part of it, the melodies. He can't do that. 1142 00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,120 So he gives it to Elton and then that's kind of what it's like. 1143 00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:18,360 It's. Kind of the same thing, but it's 1144 00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:22,280 like obviously. Everybody is going to know the 1145 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:27,120 person who, Yeah, I mean, people are probably are giving her 1146 00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:30,160 credit for writing the songs, but she's also singing them. 1147 00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:34,800 And everybody usually knows the singer rather than the person 1148 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,640 who's, like, helping out with the musical arrangements or 1149 00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,240 helping out even with the writing, you know? 1150 00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:44,800 So there's no wonder why he's not gonna get full credit for 1151 00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:45,960 that. And I know that sucks. 1152 00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,480 That shouldn't be how it would be. 1153 00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:48,920 I know. But also they. 1154 00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,560 Are Fleetwood Mac like it's not like they're her single songs or 1155 00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,240 something. No, but she is one of the. 1156 00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,000 Singers, you know. Yeah, but also like, what about 1157 00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,720 John? Mcvie, like he's just playing 1158 00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:03,040 bass on everybody's song, like, and he's, he's not like crying 1159 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:08,360 about not getting attention. He is writing the lyrics like 1160 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,880 it's like he's using that. The lyrics are what connect 1161 01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,080 people, connect people. I'm not saying they're produced 1162 01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,360 in another way that people would necessarily love them as much as 1163 01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,680 they do, but those are the lines that people quote over and over 1164 01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:22,040 again. You will never get away with the 1165 01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,320 sound of a woman who loves you like she's still writing this. 1166 01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,000 I know. And she does write on her 1167 01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:30,640 guitar. She's not like, as skilled as 1168 01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:34,480 Lindsay on the guitar, but she does, you know, put the songs 1169 01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:35,520 together. So yeah. 1170 01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,720 And the reason she's not as good as Lindsay is because she was a 1171 01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,280 Hostess and he stayed home all day. 1172 01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:42,840 So it's not fair. Yeah. 1173 01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,280 OK. So February 1977 Rumors was 1174 01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,920 finally released. As I said, had Stevie and Mick 1175 01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,840 Fleetwood on the cover, which apparently upset the others, 1176 01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,720 which is understandable. I don't know why only two of 1177 01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:58,000 them are on the cover. Did they do like the photo 1178 01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,280 shoot? Without the others? 1179 01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,800 Or did they do a photo shoot with everybody and then the 1180 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,720 photo that got chosen was only them two? 1181 01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,440 Or I'm not positive? But I think the reason it's just 1182 01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,640 the two of them is for some reason Mick wanted it to match 1183 01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,240 the other album, which just had two with one only two. 1184 01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:17,000 People. Oh, OK, OK, I guess I see, I see 1185 01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,760 the IT is a really. Cool cover, like I do feel bad 1186 01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:25,320 that others aren't on it but it is a iconic cover where you know 1187 01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,600 she's reaching with that like crystal ball and he has those 1188 01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:33,720 beard like wooden balls hanging between his legs I feel. 1189 01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:35,320 Like I've never known. You've never noticed? 1190 01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:40,440 That I never noticed. That was like a deep look and 1191 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,440 that was. Apparently like a real thing 1192 01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:47,080 that he would wear balls. Yeah, fuck, I have never. 1193 01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,280 Noticed that before in my me neither. 1194 01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,040 It's a little cheeky. Saucy, he would actually wear. 1195 01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,080 That I don't mean, I don't think like. 1196 01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,560 To the store, but you know, just when they were. 1197 01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,040 That's still weird like. Just being. 1198 01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:01,920 Weird. That is very weird. 1199 01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,600 No offense, if anybody. Out there listening does that, 1200 01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,440 but really that's they were. Just being crazy and silly I 1201 01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,080 guess. So this was the. 70s after all. 1202 01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,240 Yeah, anyway. So Rumor is obviously a huge 1203 01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,200 success. It topped the charts in the US, 1204 01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:22,600 Canada, Australia. UKA won Best album 1977 at the 1205 01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:25,560 Grammys even. Even though I don't care. 1206 01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:27,240 About the Grammys, That's so cool. 1207 01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,360 And just as it was released, they posed for their 1208 01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,440 unforgettable Rolling Stone cover, which pictures them all 1209 01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:36,360 in bed together. I don't know if you've seen this 1210 01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,720 cover before, but looking it up, I think it's been replicated 1211 01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,640 many times. Like the Gossip Girl promos. 1212 01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:44,440 I remember. I think, I think they were 1213 01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,880 inspired by it, like just having a bunch of people in bed 1214 01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:48,760 together. Oh yeah, X-Files. 1215 01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:50,960 Has recreated that before. Really. 1216 01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:52,360 Yeah. It's. 1217 01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:53,840 Like it's become a. Trope. 1218 01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:57,160 Almost it definitely. Does because of the ex couples. 1219 01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,200 Didn't want to cuddle together and this was shot by Annie 1220 01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:03,200 Leibovitz, same photographer that did like the John and Yoko 1221 01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:07,920 cover where he's naked so she wanted people to be like 1222 01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,040 cuddling. But the ex couples didn't want 1223 01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,200 to be together so they switched pairings. 1224 01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:16,760 So Lindsay and Christine McVie were holding each other, Stevie 1225 01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,920 and Mick Fleetwood were holding each other, and then poor John 1226 01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:23,960 McPhee is just by himself. And. 1227 01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:27,800 Apparently, posing for this cover sort of ignited the flame 1228 01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:32,240 that led to Mick Fleetwood and Stevie Nicks having an affair. 1229 01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:35,960 Wait, how's that? But they weren't the ones that 1230 01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,760 were posed together. Yes, they were. 1231 01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,560 It was Lindsey. Buckingham and Christine Mcvee 1232 01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,720 were holding each other, Stevie Nicks and Mick Fleetwood were 1233 01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:47,080 cuddling together, and then poor John Mcvee was by himself. 1234 01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:51,840 And then her and Mick Fleetwood actually started a fling after 1235 01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,480 this. Oh my God, like they touched. 1236 01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:55,640 Each other and they're like, wait, I like this. 1237 01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,280 Yeah, because I guess the. Photo shoot took like hours. 1238 01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,640 He's also like. Naked it looks like. 1239 01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:03,320 I know. I mean, I don't. 1240 01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,600 Know if they're I think I mean he might have. 1241 01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:09,560 Like I don't think they're naked, I think, but he his he, 1242 01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,840 his legs are exposed and his top is exposed. 1243 01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:16,480 It's very racy. But oddly, even though this 1244 01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,480 happened apparently after the photo shoot, but they were still 1245 01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:24,000 there, according to Stevie, her and Lindsay got to talking about 1246 01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:28,040 how amazing it was that not long ago, so she had been a waitress, 1247 01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,640 actually a Hostess, but she said waitress and he didn't have a 1248 01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,360 job. But now they were on the cover 1249 01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:37,080 of Rolling Stone and she said. And we lay there for two hours 1250 01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:40,920 and making out. Finally Annie Leibovitz had to 1251 01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,440 tell us to leave. But in one afternoon she had put 1252 01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,520 me and Lindsay back together and planted the seed for Mick and 1253 01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,760 me. Yeah. 1254 01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,040 So OK, I guess I did. The photo shoot, they were like 1255 01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,120 cuddling with the different people in the band. 1256 01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,440 And then I guess afterwards something happened. 1257 01:04:56,560 --> 01:05:01,480 They were still there afterward. Lindsay and Stevie were like, 1258 01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,680 this was amazing or something. And then they like started 1259 01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,120 making out. I don't know. 1260 01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:06,760 But Lindsay has a different story about it. 1261 01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,280 He said that they embraced for about 15 minutes. 1262 01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:13,840 I don't know what that means. And then Mick came over and said 1263 01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:15,960 people were starting to get uncomfortable. 1264 01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:18,000 Maybe they were on. Drugs. 1265 01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,560 Yeah, I don't know. It's it's very weird. 1266 01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,520 She says that it that day it started for her and Mick, but 1267 01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,080 also that she made out with Lindsay for two hours. 1268 01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:29,200 So there's yeah, don't. Know not. 1269 01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:32,120 Reliable and he says. It was only. 15 minutes, so 1270 01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,760 don't lie. What happened? 1271 01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:37,520 Steve. Is kind of. 1272 01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,320 Yeah, Stevie is an unreliable narrator. 1273 01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,880 Like even there, how she said like waitress, like she had said 1274 01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,080 she was a Hostess because she wasn't good enough to be a 1275 01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:46,840 waitress. Like she often changes the 1276 01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:48,440 story. I think something happened 1277 01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,920 though, because he did say they embrace for 15 minutes. 1278 01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,200 But was that a hug? Was that making out? 1279 01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:58,720 I don't, I don't know. But Lindsay actually had 1280 01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,160 recently started dating somebody new. 1281 01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,880 And keep in mind Stevie was dating Don Henley from the 1282 01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,400 Eagles too. Oh, at this time I forgot about 1283 01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:08,880 that. Yes, and. 1284 01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:13,560 And now she has like a crush. On Mcfleetwood and making out 1285 01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,800 with. Lindsay wasn't Stevie was this 1286 01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,840 in another episode? Stevie talked to somebody and 1287 01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:25,400 was like, oh, in my day when I was young, I was it Kristen 1288 01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,520 Stewart? Who was this somebody? 1289 01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,760 Oh, maybe. Because she loved Twilight. 1290 01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:32,920 Yeah, I was. I've been thinking about that. 1291 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:35,080 Have you? That'll be in part. 1292 01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:36,920 Two do. You know what I'm talking about. 1293 01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,640 I think so. Yeah, like I was defending 1294 01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:42,120 somebody saying yes, yes, I was defending. 1295 01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:44,600 Kristen Stewart her Was it Kristen my. 1296 01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:46,760 Day. Yeah, like in my day. 1297 01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,520 Like I've cheated, but everybody I've been with like, has 1298 01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:54,720 forgiven me or something. So they're like, there's been 1299 01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,080 overlap, you know? So. 1300 01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:01,320 So maybe she was with that guy, but was like, it's fun, Yeah. 1301 01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:03,120 She's like I. Made. 1302 01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:06,120 Out with. Lindsay at the photo shoot today 1303 01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:10,800 and then the Eagles guy was like, it's OK, Stevie, you know, 1304 01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:12,760 I don't. Yeah, I guess. 1305 01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,960 So I love that she loves Twilight I. 1306 01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,440 Know. It's so cute. 1307 01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:20,040 That'll be in Part 2. Yeah. 1308 01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,040 Yeah. So Lindsay had recently started 1309 01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,600 dating a woman named Carol Ann Harris. 1310 01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,680 She was actually a studio manager who was around when they 1311 01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:31,840 were recording rumors, and she was studying to become a sound 1312 01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,000 engineer. But sadly, she dropped that to 1313 01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,800 focus entirely on dating Lindsay. 1314 01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:41,480 You scared, you said. Sadly, she dropped no no. 1315 01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:46,720 Not as bad as. That, but she gave them her 1316 01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:50,280 career goals. I know, and they dated for 1317 01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,840 several years. But Lindsay, Lindsay said in an 1318 01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,840 interview, he said being in this band fucks up relationship with 1319 01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:58,600 chicks. Since Stevie. 1320 01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,720 I found that to be true. I could meet someone that I 1321 01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,440 really like, maybe have a few days to get it together and 1322 01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,600 that's it. The rest of the time I'm too 1323 01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:09,400 into Fleetwood Mac. Yeah, and even though he was. 1324 01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:13,320 With Carol Ann, for a long time, she did say that he was like so 1325 01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:17,200 obsessively with Mac and it was stressful having Stevie around 1326 01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:18,720 all the time. I can imagine. 1327 01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:22,479 But, and even though they just had that really passionate make 1328 01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:26,279 out when they went on tour for Rumors, any warmth between them 1329 01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,760 pooled a lot. Stevie said that they hardly 1330 01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,840 spoke and said we would get on and off the same plane without 1331 01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,680 interacting at all. And even though she was seeing 1332 01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:39,080 Don Henley, and even though he was married to Jenny Boyd, 1333 01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,680 Stevie and Mick Fleetwood stuck up a relationship in the final 1334 01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:46,680 leg of the Rumors tour in New Zealand, Australia and Japan in 1335 01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:49,800 December 1977. And this has been described as 1336 01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:51,439 the craziest time of their lives. 1337 01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:55,120 Mick and Stevie sneaking away together, You know, there was a 1338 01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:59,479 lot of drugs and booths and hotels, and it was just really 1339 01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,920 wrong and exciting. I think Lindsay claimed that he 1340 01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:04,840 didn't feel betrayed by Mick Fleetwood. 1341 01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,600 He tried to play it cool when he was asked about it by The 1342 01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,399 Independent because the public found out about it somehow. 1343 01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:13,000 And he said that he'd been surprised that it hadn't 1344 01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:16,880 happened yet because Stevie had had several boyfriends in 1345 01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,399 between. And he said that a couple times. 1346 01:09:19,399 --> 01:09:22,560 Like, I think he was really bitter that Stevie moved on 1347 01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,520 before him and had multiple relationships. 1348 01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,399 OK. And then in 1978, John McPhee 1349 01:09:28,399 --> 01:09:32,200 got remarried to a woman named Julie Rubens and Fleetwood Mac 1350 01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:34,640 attended the wedding. And this is where the affair 1351 01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,319 between Stevie and Mick really blew up. 1352 01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:41,279 First of all, Stevie showed up wearing a white dress to the 1353 01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:46,040 wedding, which is a tonal fuck off when Stevie is usually. 1354 01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:49,359 Like wearing all black. I know, right? 1355 01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:54,160 The one. Time she wears white and so 1356 01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:57,800 Mick's. Wife was there and seeing Stevie 1357 01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:01,680 just made her breakdown and she pleaded with Stevie to think of 1358 01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:06,080 the children cause yeah her and Mick had kids and Stevie was 1359 01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,680 trying to defend herself and then people came to see what was 1360 01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,480 going on and then Stevie left. I'm confused. 1361 01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:12,440 Think of the. Children. 1362 01:10:12,440 --> 01:10:14,760 Because she's wearing white. No, just she was. 1363 01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:18,040 There, I guess and like that they, I, I guess they were just 1364 01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:22,000 acting brazenly open together. I don't, I don't know, I guess 1365 01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:26,920 her presence just really obsessed, upset, I don't know, 1366 01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,640 maybe just walking into. The Walking. 1367 01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:31,400 Into the reception. She's like the bride just 1368 01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:35,040 breaks, no? I think, I think what happened 1369 01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:37,760 was it wasn't that bright. It was Mick's wife. 1370 01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,520 Sorry, there's too many people. I think Stevie showed up. 1371 01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:45,560 Mick is there with his wife and his wife knows that something's 1372 01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,280 going on between them and she like walks away or something and 1373 01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:51,200 is crying. And then he was. 1374 01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:53,600 But I guess it it was taking a long time where I don't know, 1375 01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:56,080 they were trying to work it out. Like, I don't know, sorry, I 1376 01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,760 should have clarified that. But they were like still 1377 01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,800 technically together. OK, now I get it. 1378 01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:02,720 Now I get. It now I get it. 1379 01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,560 Sorry, I should have said that. And so there's probably not. 1380 01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,560 That many like, yes, the band is together all the time, but she's 1381 01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:12,040 probably not around Mick's wife that often. 1382 01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,880 So this is probably when like they're all together and things 1383 01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:17,640 are coming to a head. And then the fact that she wore 1384 01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,520 white doesn't really have anything to do with Mick's wife, 1385 01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:24,880 but she's probably like, and on top of this, don't respect other 1386 01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:26,760 women. The fact that you are wearing 1387 01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:30,080 white to a wedding. Yeah, I think. 1388 01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,000 And she just looked beautiful. Apparently, Stevie and people 1389 01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,320 were complimenting her. And I think it just really 1390 01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:38,960 pissed Mick's wife off a lot. Understandable. 1391 01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:40,440 Yeah. But now it's time. 1392 01:11:40,440 --> 01:11:44,400 For another album. Tusk. 1393 01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:48,080 So Lindsay wanted to do something different this time. 1394 01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:51,920 Punk rock was really coming up in the late 70s. 1395 01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,360 Folk, the kind of music that Lindsay I really loved before, 1396 01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:59,120 like Simon Garfunkel and such, wasn't really as in anymore. 1397 01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:00,800 It was more punk and more gothic. 1398 01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,560 Things like The Cure was coming out. 1399 01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,480 And so he wanted to really push the boundaries and do something 1400 01:12:05,480 --> 01:12:07,720 different, entirely different from Rumors. 1401 01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:09,920 And I got to say, before researching, I didn't really 1402 01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:13,360 listen to Tusk that much. I knew the song Tusk, but it's 1403 01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:15,240 so good. I I think it's like such an 1404 01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:17,880 influential album. I mean, when I listen to it, I 1405 01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:21,960 feel like it sounds like 2010's indie rock, like it sounds like 1406 01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:25,880 group love and like MGMT and Edward Sharpe and Magnetic 1407 01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:27,440 Zeros, you know, those type of bands. 1408 01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:30,720 Like, yeah, it's so cool. Are there any notable? 1409 01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:34,160 Songs on the album I would say. Tusk. 1410 01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:35,400 Do you know Tusk? No. 1411 01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:37,440 It's like, don't say that you love me. 1412 01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:40,640 It's like a crazy song. It kind of sounds like the 1413 01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:42,520 circus. Yeah. 1414 01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:46,400 I'd say the other hit is Sarah. If that's a Stevie song, it's 1415 01:12:46,440 --> 01:12:48,920 like Sarah. I don't know. 1416 01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:50,320 But it didn't have a ton of hits. 1417 01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:53,320 And that's that was a problem, which we'll get to later. 1418 01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,440 And this was a tough time too. Lindsay was actually diagnosed 1419 01:12:56,440 --> 01:12:59,560 with epilepsy. He was having seizures. 1420 01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:03,840 And I, I kind of coined this, but I think he was having rage 1421 01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:05,840 attacks. Like he was just having like a 1422 01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:09,880 lot of angry episodes. And I read that because, I don't 1423 01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:13,480 know, I feel like earlier in the story, it didn't seem like that 1424 01:13:13,480 --> 01:13:15,320 happened. And then this started happening 1425 01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:17,200 and I was like, that's weird. Like, what are the odds he 1426 01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:21,120 started having epileptic episodes and then also being 1427 01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,640 really angry. And I read that the medicine he 1428 01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:27,640 took, one side effect would be being like, quote, an angry 1429 01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:29,480 zombie. And I don't know if people still 1430 01:13:29,480 --> 01:13:31,120 take this medicine. It was the 70s. 1431 01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:33,880 But he would kind of like, have these weird rages of being 1432 01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:36,160 angry. And he also completely changed 1433 01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:38,760 his look during Tusk. He shaved his beard. 1434 01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:42,720 He cut his hair short, he started wearing eyeliner, so he 1435 01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,960 looked a lot more like gothic and also wearing more like 1436 01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:48,480 Blazers. You know, a lot less hippie, 1437 01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:51,160 more, more gearing up for the 80's. 1438 01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:55,320 The band spent 13 months making Tusk and they spent over 1439 01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:59,720 $1,000,000 on that time. And it is a great album. 1440 01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:03,600 But as I said, they didn't have as many hits and it's a lot less 1441 01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:05,720 cohesive. Like the songs definitely sound 1442 01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:09,360 like, oh, this is a Stevie song, this is a Christine song, this 1443 01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:12,800 is a Lindsay song. And so you can kind of tell even 1444 01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,280 in the music that they were less cohesive than before. 1445 01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:18,560 I looked up the album. I don't like that they abandoned 1446 01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:20,800 the two people on the album cover. 1447 01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,880 Look, I know. It was just odd that it was. 1448 01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,920 So important for rumors like, oh, we need two people I know 1449 01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:28,320 for it and. Then for the next. 1450 01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,960 Time, I'm like, actually, we're completely, yeah, the cover, the 1451 01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,160 cover. Has like a dog biting someone's 1452 01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:37,560 foot. It's totally different I. 1453 01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,240 Don't know, you know. I think sometimes artists like 1454 01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,080 have to move on a little bit to you have to. 1455 01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:44,920 Change. I mean I get. 1456 01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:48,720 It but if if it's been like your thing for multiple albums up to 1457 01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:52,880 that point, like just keep with it, you know, I guess, I think. 1458 01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:56,600 Lindsay was afraid of them becoming, like, a caricature of 1459 01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,840 themselves or something, like they needed to change. 1460 01:14:59,960 --> 01:15:01,920 Yeah. So Tusk was released October 1461 01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:06,240 1979, and they went on tour right after that. 1462 01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:08,280 And of course, tensions were high. 1463 01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:10,520 They're always increasing, and they're getting in order with 1464 01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,240 each other. This was really bad. 1465 01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:15,720 They did a show in Auckland, New Zealand, and Lindsay was drunk 1466 01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:18,840 on whiskey plus his epilepsy medicine. 1467 01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,560 And he, I guess, was super annoyed with Stevie. 1468 01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:24,360 And he pulled his jacket over his head and started mimicking 1469 01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:28,080 Stevie's shawl and, like, dancing around pretending to be 1470 01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,040 her. And then he lay on the ground 1471 01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:32,440 under her, playing guitar and grinning. 1472 01:15:32,440 --> 01:15:34,560 And he just stayed there for three songs. 1473 01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:38,760 And then at one point he reached out and kicked her. 1474 01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,920 That's really like. Laying down I. 1475 01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,480 Know kicked up? No, I think he got up. 1476 01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:50,240 And then kicked her and after the show Stevie was running 1477 01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:54,040 after him, but Christine beat her and Christine McPhee slapped 1478 01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,880 Lindsay on the face and yelled don't ever do something like 1479 01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:00,720 that to this band ever again. Apparently everybody was freaked 1480 01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,320 out in quotes. And Stevie. 1481 01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:07,320 Cried. It's a good thing he. 1482 01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:10,760 Really good at playing the guitar on his back. 1483 01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:12,040 That's true. That's true. 1484 01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:15,200 But I. Wonder if it was like his 1485 01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:19,840 medicine that was making him act out or yeah, flared with like 1486 01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:24,640 drugs as well or what? But one of the the. 1487 01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:28,200 Stevie Nicks book I read kind of drew that conclusion that he 1488 01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:30,640 shouldn't have been mixing alcohol with his medicine and 1489 01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:34,360 that it was like making him just lose all control basically. 1490 01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,160 And he claims that he doesn't remember doing that. 1491 01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:40,640 And I don't think it's on video, but he said that he wouldn't 1492 01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:42,640 doubt that he did that, but he didn't remember. 1493 01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,240 And he said you have to understand that this was someone 1494 01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,880 I met when I was 16. I was completely devastated when 1495 01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,520 she took off. And yet trying to rise above it 1496 01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:52,760 professionally, I produced hits for her. 1497 01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:55,560 I had to do a lot of things for her I really didn't want to do. 1498 01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:59,800 If I kicked her on stage, sorry, it just sounds ridiculous to 1499 01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:04,080 say, but if I kicked her on stage, that was something coming 1500 01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,080 through the veneer. There had been a lot of 1501 01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,200 darkness. Yeah, I bet he. 1502 01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:10,600 Did do it, but I don't think it was. 1503 01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:13,040 Yeah, I think. So intentional like I don't 1504 01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:15,400 think. If he was completely stone cold 1505 01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:19,360 so we're in the right frame of mind, he would do it. 1506 01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:23,440 It's still crazy though. I don't know how we know this 1507 01:17:23,440 --> 01:17:25,760 but I guess she shared it with the world. 1508 01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:29,040 In one of Stevie's Diaries from the Tusk tour. 1509 01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:31,200 She wrote one more time on the plane. 1510 01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:34,960 Lindsay is a usual asshole self. I'm coming to the conclusion 1511 01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:36,680 that Lindsay and I are at an end. 1512 01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:41,320 So sad to see good love go bad. It's crazy because I think she 1513 01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:46,120 is with Mick and still kind of Don Henley at this time or maybe 1514 01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:47,760 that's over. It just kind of failed out with 1515 01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:48,960 Don Henley. I don't think they had like an 1516 01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,400 official breakup. But it's crazy that she's like 1517 01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:55,680 just now saying like it's over, you know, But a good love go 1518 01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:58,200 bad. That's something that I was 1519 01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:01,040 thinking about and that I asked on the pole. 1520 01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:04,440 When love turns to hate, I asked our patrons. 1521 01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:07,000 It's so sad when this happens, you know, when people love each 1522 01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:11,520 other so much that they will iron little moons and stars on 1523 01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,840 their genes and then they hate each other. 1524 01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:19,160 And how does that happen? And I asked our listeners, I 1525 01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:22,520 know I asked, is there anyone you once dated or had feelings 1526 01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:26,960 for dot dot dot that you now hate slash dislike, can't stand? 1527 01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:32,080 And 69% of you guys said yes, The vast majority. 1528 01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:36,320 That's crazy. I know 21% said. 1529 01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,920 Sorta. I'm actually. 1530 01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:40,360 Actually not. Surprised. 1531 01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:41,800 Yeah. Really. 1532 01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:44,200 Yeah, I honestly was. Like, duh. 1533 01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:45,920 I don't know. I know. 1534 01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:47,680 Yeah, I thought that was. Like. 1535 01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:53,680 But then I can see why some people would have past 1536 01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:58,800 relationships that maybe were amicable or it was more 1537 01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:00,720 bittersweet. Well, hey, there's some people 1538 01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:02,160 that are. Like I'm friends with all my 1539 01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:04,000 exits, you know? I don't know people. 1540 01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,320 What do they say the opposite of love is? 1541 01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,480 Indifference. I mean, yes, if you love 1542 01:19:10,480 --> 01:19:12,840 someone, pretty easy to hate them. 1543 01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:16,040 Yep, I. Think we only have two comments 1544 01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:20,280 so far, but I might revisit this next week to, Melanie said. 1545 01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:24,240 At 35, I can see that any of my exes were just I'll suited for 1546 01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:26,400 each other. We're right for the right for 1547 01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:28,760 that time it grew apart. Even if there are qualities I 1548 01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:32,240 dislike, I feel like that's their deal to work out. 1549 01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:35,040 If you asked me when I was younger, the whole the vitriol 1550 01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:38,880 might have been there though. And Lauren said I would say at 1551 01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,680 this point where I'm in a happy relationship, I harbor almost no 1552 01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:44,400 feelings of hate towards exes. Do we want to see them again? 1553 01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:46,480 Absolutely not. Do I hate them? 1554 01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:50,680 Also no, some exes absolutely deserve to be hated, but I'm not 1555 01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:51,880 there. Yeah. 1556 01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:57,520 Yeah, I feel like hate. Is a lot of energy that once you 1557 01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:00,040 let go of it, like that's when you truly move on. 1558 01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:03,920 But yeah, I feel like why? Why do you think that happens? 1559 01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:09,320 What that those stages of. Grief where you're really angry 1560 01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:13,480 at the person, most likely if you were broken up with and you 1561 01:20:13,480 --> 01:20:16,480 had dreams of being with that person and you wanted the 1562 01:20:16,480 --> 01:20:19,240 relationship to workout. And they're the one that credits 1563 01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:22,040 short. You're angry with them, and that 1564 01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:26,000 will manifest as hate, you know? So yeah, you're gonna hate that 1565 01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:27,880 person. Yeah, I also. 1566 01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:31,480 Think it's kind of, as Caitlin is saying, an important step to 1567 01:20:31,480 --> 01:20:33,880 hate the person. I feel like there have been 1568 01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:35,920 people who I've really been down bad for. 1569 01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:39,240 And then you got to make that list of every single thing you 1570 01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:42,320 hate about that person. You got to really like retrain 1571 01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:46,000 your brain to dislike them so much that you lose that 1572 01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,440 attraction and fondness for them all together. 1573 01:20:48,440 --> 01:20:52,080 And I feel like that's when you start to heal because you're 1574 01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:54,480 like, wait a minute, I hate them. 1575 01:20:54,480 --> 01:20:57,360 Like, I don't even like them anymore, which is so sad. 1576 01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:00,160 You know, it really makes me think of, I've been afraid of 1577 01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:01,800 changing because I built my life around you. 1578 01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:05,120 Like, how sad to like abandoned that old part of yourself, that 1579 01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:07,560 love that person. But once you let go of that, 1580 01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:11,400 like, that's when you truly can move on, or once. 1581 01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:14,880 You get that, like even just starting that ingling of hate, 1582 01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:19,240 that's when you have to be like, OK, delete their contact number, 1583 01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:23,040 block them on all these things. So then you don't go down that 1584 01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:26,240 route of actually like once that hate kind of dissipates, you're 1585 01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:29,360 like, actually it wasn't that bad. 1586 01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:33,320 Maybe I do want to get back with them or something like that, you 1587 01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:35,480 know? Yeah, but in their case. 1588 01:21:35,480 --> 01:21:41,000 They never got that space. Yeah, they're on tour buses and 1589 01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:44,360 planes together, Just constantly together. 1590 01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:47,760 I mean, think about how tough it is to travel with people. 1591 01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:53,880 Imagine having to do that with my God who you hate. 1592 01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:58,560 And I do think in a. Way it's easier or like, safer, 1593 01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,320 more comfortable to dislike each other. 1594 01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:04,320 Because imagine if they were like, seriously like bleeding 1595 01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,480 hearts still loving each other and having to deal with this. 1596 01:22:07,480 --> 01:22:09,000 Like, that would be just so painful. 1597 01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:10,640 Like, I don't even know how they would survive that. 1598 01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:14,400 I feel like it's almost like protection to dislike each 1599 01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,320 other. Oh, definitely, yeah. 1600 01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,960 By the end of the Tusk. Tour they had squandered most of 1601 01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:21,400 their money and not made much of A profit. 1602 01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:24,840 Mick Fleetwood was fired as band manager, which I bet was a 1603 01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:29,520 difficult conversation, but Mick also told Mick also, so Lindsay, 1604 01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,760 we're not doing this weird shit again next time. 1605 01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:36,520 And Lindsay and Stevie fled to make their own solo albums. 1606 01:22:37,440 --> 01:22:38,080 Oh. Solo. 1607 01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:40,200 I thought you meant. Together it's going to be like, 1608 01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:45,960 no separate. Separate solo albums separately. 1609 01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:49,400 They fled metaphoric, metaphorically, they're still in 1610 01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:52,400 the band, but they're like, OK, we're going to do solo albums. 1611 01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:55,160 But is. Fleetwood and Stevie still 1612 01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:58,280 together? Or is this kind of like they 1613 01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:01,640 are? They are, but Stevie then also 1614 01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:04,160 starts seeing another guy called Paul Fishkin. 1615 01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:09,200 It's just young. Yeah, Stevie. 1616 01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:12,080 Definitely. Like monogamy probably isn't for 1617 01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:13,680 her. I don't know. 1618 01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:17,000 Yeah, I. Do think Lindsay seems much more 1619 01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,640 monogamous than her? Like he dates this Carol and 1620 01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:22,960 girl for like, so many like eight years or something. 1621 01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:25,640 And yeah, they're they just seem a little different in that way. 1622 01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:28,400 OK, I have a little bit more, but I do have to go to the 1623 01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:29,520 bathroom. Is that OK? 1624 01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:31,760 Go piss, girl. I'm gonna go get water. 1625 01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:37,800 Hi I'm looking at pictures of. Fleetwood Mac right now. 1626 01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:41,480 I like actually. Lindsay's look for the Tusk 1627 01:23:41,480 --> 01:23:44,280 time, I feel like. Mick. 1628 01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:48,080 Fleetwood is kind of scary looking, like there's a lot of 1629 01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,400 pictures where his eyes are all bulged. 1630 01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:53,920 He reminds me of. Like Rasputin? 1631 01:23:54,480 --> 01:23:56,200 Yes. Yeah. 1632 01:23:58,040 --> 01:23:59,640 Rasputin scares. Me. 1633 01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:06,760 He looks somewhat. Like him? 1634 01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:09,280 Hi. What are you laughing? 1635 01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:13,160 About Caitlin just said that. Mick Fleetwood reminds her of 1636 01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:15,240 Rasputin. I can kind of see that. 1637 01:24:15,480 --> 01:24:19,360 But OK, my next thing I was going to say is. 1638 01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:22,720 That. That you know, Lindsay has a 1639 01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:26,800 solo album called Law and Order and he has this song on it 1640 01:24:26,800 --> 01:24:30,680 called Trouble. And I randomly became obsessed 1641 01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:35,280 with this song and this is the song that made me think that 1642 01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:39,200 Lindsay is so hot and. Mick Fleetwood. 1643 01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:43,800 Actually looks pretty good in him too, but I don't think we 1644 01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:45,600 have time to watch it. This video. 1645 01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:49,440 Oh, sorry, he's in the video. I'm like, I'm not explaining 1646 01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:50,000 things. Well. 1647 01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:54,200 Mick Fleetwood is in the video as well. 1648 01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:59,680 And yeah, I can see the Rasputin comparison, but well, Mel. 1649 01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:06,640 Said that Matt Fleetwood scared her and then I said he looks 1650 01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:10,280 like Rasputin and she said Rasputin scares her. 1651 01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:12,480 So then we started laughing about it. 1652 01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:15,120 I think he's no, he scared. Me because? 1653 01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:17,400 Incarnated if you. Look at photos. 1654 01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:21,000 From when they're young, his eyes are like all bulged like he 1655 01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:21,920 looks. Like he's like. 1656 01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:25,440 Purposely trying to look creepy. How tall? 1657 01:25:25,440 --> 01:25:26,320 Is he too? He looks. 1658 01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:29,760 Like he's wicked tall, 7 feet tall, yeah. 1659 01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:32,880 Oh, he's 65. I guess it's almost as high as I 1660 01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,480 thought, but still. 65 is pretty tall. 1661 01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:37,480 Most most people are not taller than that. 1662 01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:41,240 So 6 foot 6 on Wikipedia. Oh wow. 1663 01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:45,680 OK, so yeah, as I said, Lindsay had this solo album. 1664 01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:50,720 I think it did pretty well, but it wasn't like a social reset or 1665 01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:52,960 anything. It didn't change the world. 1666 01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:58,000 But not long after his album, Stevie released solo album 1667 01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:00,840 Belladonna. This is the one with the song 1668 01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:05,440 Edge of 17, which is huge. Yeah, God. 1669 01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:07,600 Sorry, what? I just saw a Really. 1670 01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:09,080 Creepy. Photo of Mick Fleetwood. 1671 01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:11,120 Yeah, that was the one. I saw. 1672 01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,640 What is it called? I'll copy it. 1673 01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:20,560 And Oh my God. No, but I've watched interviews 1674 01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:22,360 with him. I think he's not bad looking. 1675 01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:24,080 I think he has a pretty good face. 1676 01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:26,240 He's really cool image. Just Google. 1677 01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:29,520 Images Name You'll see a couple really creepy photos of him. 1678 01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:31,080 He's just. A. 1679 01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:33,600 Goofball. He's just trying to be weird, 1680 01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:36,480 like the the wooden balls I told you about. 1681 01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:40,400 Yeah. So on her Belladonna solo album, 1682 01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:42,440 she worked with Tom Petty a little bit. 1683 01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:46,040 And she, in the interview, gushed about how great it was 1684 01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:48,800 working with him. And she compared it to working 1685 01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:51,280 with Lindsay and how she couldn't write lyrics with 1686 01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,120 Lindsay. And she said, Lindsay and I have 1687 01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:55,840 so much behind us that it would be difficult to sit down and get 1688 01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:58,640 into lyrics. As it is, he asks me, who's this 1689 01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:00,160 one about? What are you talking about on 1690 01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:01,600 this line? What does this mean? 1691 01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:04,720 And who could blame him? Although almost anybody would be 1692 01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:07,720 able to answer Lindsay's first two questions with you. 1693 01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:13,360 And you, apparently, she gave Lindsay a copy of Belladonna, 1694 01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:17,280 signed with, like, a message to him, but he left it propped 1695 01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:19,680 against the studio wall for, like, a month. 1696 01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:22,320 And then she ended up just taking it back and crossed out 1697 01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:24,520 the dedication and gave it to somebody else. 1698 01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:29,640 Oh my gosh, I know. Also, I feel bad for. 1699 01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:34,280 Whoever got it second. Couldn't she have gotten 1700 01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:36,200 another? Copy Why did she have to like 1701 01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:39,720 reuse the mincey 1 I feel like. Thanks. 1702 01:27:40,480 --> 01:27:44,880 I guess in 1981. The band got back together to 1703 01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:49,400 record their next album, Mirage in France, and of course, 1704 01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:52,200 everybody was raging arguments nearly every night. 1705 01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:55,680 And it might make you wonder, why did they do it? 1706 01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:58,080 I was just about, you know why? Why do they just? 1707 01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:01,920 Keep doing it. I think it is because they did 1708 01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:05,080 realize, like, this was huge. Like, this band was truly 1709 01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:06,760 awesome. Like, the music was amazing. 1710 01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:09,160 And also the money. I mean, I think it was just too 1711 01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:11,680 much to walk away from, like such success. 1712 01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:15,080 I think they all thought about quitting, but they also felt 1713 01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:17,400 like, you know, how can I quit Fleetwood Mac? 1714 01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:19,800 This is like the biggest band in the world right now. 1715 01:28:20,440 --> 01:28:22,560 So I think that's why they kept doing it. 1716 01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:25,840 But now that they're in the post MTV world, they have to start 1717 01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:30,680 making music videos. And in The Mirage album, there's 1718 01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:34,160 the song Gypsy. And Stevie was annoyed that for 1719 01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:37,200 the Gypsy video, she had to dance and be kissed and caressed 1720 01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:40,520 by Lindsay, even though she said seeing him with another woman 1721 01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:44,200 made her feel absolutely I'll she didn't want to be near him 1722 01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:46,000 either. And did they not just come up 1723 01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:47,280 with? Like a different idea for the 1724 01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:50,600 video I know right have. To that's what I don't, I don't 1725 01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:52,560 know. I don't know who's in charge of 1726 01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:56,480 these things, music videos, but that was the idea and I feel 1727 01:28:56,480 --> 01:28:59,240 like they really wanted to play it up like, oh, Lindsay and 1728 01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:02,720 Stevie, you know, I don't know why she had to when the album 1729 01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:05,120 came out. Interestingly, if the covers for 1730 01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:08,960 The Mirage Deluxe CDs, there are pictures of Lindsay kissing 1731 01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:12,760 Stevies bare shoulder. Even though I think he's he's 1732 01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:16,720 still with Carol Ann, I think that her and Mick Fleetwood kind 1733 01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:18,560 of fizzle out by now. It's kind of weird. 1734 01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:21,360 They didn't have like an official like breaking up date, 1735 01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:24,800 but it was just kind of a transient relationship. 1736 01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:29,280 Then they had The Mirage tour. Stevie and Lindsay once again 1737 01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:33,320 we're having tension on stage. At one point, Lindsay appeared 1738 01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:36,400 to intentionally bump into Stevie with his guitar. 1739 01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:40,240 And here you'll get to see a little bit of the tension. 1740 01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:42,920 So I sent you guys some clips to play. 1741 01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:45,640 This is them performing Go Your Own Way. 1742 01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:49,120 And I just, I know we can't convey this over audio, but I'll 1743 01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:53,800 just play the song so you guys can hear it from 2:23 to 2:45. 1744 01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:57,280 Them just staring at each other and the intensity of it. 1745 01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:11,800 Eye contact. In this clip, I know they're. 1746 01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:14,760 Like stinging to each other. I could not. 1747 01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:19,360 Date Lindsay Buckingham if this was his ad, I know. 1748 01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:21,560 It's Stevie Nicks. OK? 1749 01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:24,480 I don't see what you. See in Mick Fleetwood too. 1750 01:30:24,480 --> 01:30:27,720 I'm sorry. I'm not, no. 1751 01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:29,400 I'm attracted. To Lindsey Buckingham, I'm just 1752 01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:32,720 saying that, OK, maybe we need to watch the Trouble video, we 1753 01:30:32,720 --> 01:30:36,480 can watch it on our own. Time OK, yeah, he just. 1754 01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:40,800 OK in the video. It I think it's supposed to. 1755 01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:43,800 Be like cheesy. There's a line of guys playing 1756 01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:47,560 guitar and there's a line of guys playing drums and Mick is 1757 01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:50,760 in the front and the way he's playing, he just looks so 1758 01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:54,840 confident and like casual and cool and I just thought he 1759 01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:56,960 looked good. I don't think he looks bad or. 1760 01:30:56,960 --> 01:31:01,960 Anything. I just think Lindsey looked like 1761 01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:04,000 that. It's yeah. 1762 01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:06,560 No, he doesn't. He does have crazy eyes when 1763 01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:08,880 he's playing the drums. He looks like he's having the 1764 01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:13,800 best time ever and he's like his eyes are going crazy. 1765 01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:17,400 It's kind of nice. OK, so then I I have another 1766 01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:20,840 clip right now is them performing the chain. 1767 01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:25,720 So this is around 2:30 and this is them looking very intensely 1768 01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:28,360 at each other while they're angrily singing If you don't 1769 01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:30,280 love me now, you'll never love me again. 1770 01:31:50,960 --> 01:32:02,120 Oh my God. Oh my God. 1771 01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:06,160 This keeps showing. Christine, it's like she's like 1772 01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:08,760 in the middle of it all. I see what you mean though. 1773 01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:11,760 What you said earlier about like you're at a club every single 1774 01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:14,960 night, like the wind is blowing, this is there's a lot of 1775 01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:16,960 emotions. It's powerful. 1776 01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:19,880 The adrenaline, the music's pumping. 1777 01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:22,560 I know what. It could be so. 1778 01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:25,560 Charged. I also feel like, OK, I've never 1779 01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:30,880 seen Fleetwood Mac, sadly, our mom has seen them many times and 1780 01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:35,640 she was showing me her photo album and mom also, I got to say 1781 01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:40,360 our mom loves Stevie Nicks so much and she back in the day, 1782 01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:42,080 she went to San Francisco for work. 1783 01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:47,720 She went to Stevie and Lindsay's high school, went into the 1784 01:32:47,720 --> 01:32:52,000 library, found their yearbook and took pictures of it. 1785 01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:55,240 And she gave me, she was looking everywhere for these pictures, 1786 01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:58,960 but she gave me the negatives. So I'm going to get them scanned 1787 01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:03,120 again with my film guy in town. But she that was how obsessed 1788 01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:05,560 she was. So she, you know, her Twilight 1789 01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:07,240 is like Fleetwood Mac. She's obsessed. 1790 01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:11,120 So I know. Yeah. 1791 01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:12,800 She's seen them several times. I'm so jealous. 1792 01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:15,600 I never have. But I did see this band called 1793 01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:18,480 In the Valley Below. Do you know the song Peaches? 1794 01:33:18,480 --> 01:33:23,720 Like one of the words swimming on the beaches, reaching for the 1795 01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:27,400 sweetest, sweetest Peaches. OK. 1796 01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:29,760 They're like a super indie band, but it is a couple. 1797 01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:33,840 And I saw them in concert once and they had that vibe. 1798 01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:35,520 It seemed like they hated each other. 1799 01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:39,720 It was so weird because it was known that they were a couple, 1800 01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:44,000 but like, one of them would like, try to embrace the other 1801 01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:46,160 and then the other would like, shun them. 1802 01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:48,760 Like it was just so strange and it it was actually 1803 01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:52,040 uncomfortable. So I don't know, I feel like 1804 01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:55,040 that does happen. And I kind of can imagine how 1805 01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:57,200 that felt like. So, you know, even though all 1806 01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:02,640 this is going on out of nowhere, Stevie shocked the world by 1807 01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:06,320 marrying her best friends recent widow. 1808 01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:12,400 So tragically, her best friend Robin died after having a baby 1809 01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:13,280 boy. I know. 1810 01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:15,440 It's so sad. I know. 1811 01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:18,360 I think she had leukemia. Oh my God. 1812 01:34:18,480 --> 01:34:21,840 And Stevie was just completely distraught and so was her 1813 01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:25,360 friend's husband. And Stevie wanted to take care 1814 01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:29,840 of her friend's son, Matthew. And so her and her friend's 1815 01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:31,400 husband just decided to get married. 1816 01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:33,800 And they they got married just like out of nowhere. 1817 01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:36,360 But were they romantic? I think they. 1818 01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:41,520 Were but Stevie said that it got really strange like so the guy's 1819 01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:45,200 name, strangely, his name is Kim Anderson, which like what? 1820 01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:48,840 It's just funny because again, it's kind of like a feminine 1821 01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:51,880 name or like traditionally feminine, but it just it got 1822 01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:54,440 very strange. Like he would think that she was 1823 01:34:54,440 --> 01:34:55,920 ROM Robin. Like they had a lot of 1824 01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:59,320 similarities, I guess. And like it turned into like she 1825 01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:03,960 was replacing her and it just, it really was dark and they were 1826 01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:06,800 they were not ready to make this kind of decision, I don't think. 1827 01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:10,320 I wonder what. Even spurned on the decision to 1828 01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:12,720 even get married. I think she just, she was. 1829 01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:15,880 So grief stricken she would just like to lose her friend that 1830 01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:17,880 young. I mean Stevie was 34. 1831 01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:20,920 I'm guessing her friend was around the same age. 1832 01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:24,400 Then it quickly turned into a disaster actually, and it only 1833 01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:26,600 lasted 3 months and then they divorced. 1834 01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:30,120 Yeah, very. Painful, and Lindsay was 1835 01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:33,920 described as horrified when he found out, but all of her 1836 01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:36,120 friends and family were concerned and didn't think it 1837 01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:39,360 was a good idea. Meanwhile, in 1983, Lindsay had 1838 01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:43,640 the 50s esque song Holiday Rd. for a National Lampoon's 1839 01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:45,920 Vacation. And I feel like that's probably 1840 01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:48,560 his biggest hit. And I texted you guys like I 1841 01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:51,200 didn't realize that was him. And then we. 1842 01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:54,040 Got in like a. Not not argument, but Caitlin 1843 01:35:54,040 --> 01:35:56,240 such didn't know that song and I was like, yes, you do. 1844 01:35:58,040 --> 01:35:59,720 Yes, you do. Yes, you do. 1845 01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:01,560 I do. Now. 1846 01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:05,760 But like, I don't know, for some reason, just based on the title, 1847 01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:08,800 I didn't. And I also said like I. 1848 01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:12,960 Well, I also. Said it wasn't like the. 1849 01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:17,320 Quintessential 80s song for me, like you said, it's one of the 1850 01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:20,360 first songs you think of when you think of the 80s, but I 1851 01:36:20,360 --> 01:36:23,000 don't think it's one of them for mine, for me at least. 1852 01:36:23,080 --> 01:36:26,320 OK, maybe that's. Maybe that's dramatic, but I. 1853 01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:34,320 I It is a classic 80s. Song 1984 Lindsay split from his 1854 01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:38,600 long time girlfriend Carol Ann Harris and he released a song 1855 01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:42,400 called Go Insane which was thought to be about her, but 1856 01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:45,960 later in life Lindsay said it was about Stevie Nicks still on 1857 01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:49,080 his mind. Apparently the band finally 1858 01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:52,080 reassembled for the first time in four years. 1859 01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:55,920 So this is 1986 to create the album Tango in the Night. 1860 01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:59,080 This time they mostly recorded at Lindsay Buckingham's house 1861 01:36:59,120 --> 01:37:03,000 and he ran a tight ship. This time it ended at 11:00 PM. 1862 01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:05,400 No more crazy all nighters and things like that. 1863 01:37:05,440 --> 01:37:08,480 Stevie was actually having frequent nose bleeds and falls 1864 01:37:08,480 --> 01:37:14,120 and blackouts from her incessant cocaine usage and she went to a 1865 01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:17,000 doctor and was told that she could have a brain hemorrhage or 1866 01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:20,760 even die, could die soon if she doesn't cut down on cocaine. 1867 01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:24,160 So later that year, she attended the Betty Ford Center for 1868 01:37:24,160 --> 01:37:28,360 Cocaine Addiction and then she was prescribed Klonopin, which 1869 01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:33,200 launched an even more difficult drug addiction for her, which is 1870 01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:36,640 really hard. 1987 Tango in the Night was released. 1871 01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:39,920 It has this hit song, Little Lies. 1872 01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:42,440 I don't know if you know it. It's it's on the radio. 1873 01:37:42,440 --> 01:37:45,040 Definitely tell me lies. Tell me, sweet. 1874 01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:47,480 Little lies, yeah, tell. Me. 1875 01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:50,760 Tell me. Lies the song everywhere in Big 1876 01:37:50,760 --> 01:37:52,840 Love. Stevie was upset that she wasn't 1877 01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:56,720 represented as much on this album, but Lindsay said in in an 1878 01:37:56,720 --> 01:38:00,040 interview, if you say it took ten months to a year to make, 1879 01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:02,960 I'm not exaggerating. We only saw her all of two 1880 01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:08,960 weeks, so I guess she wasn't as much involved in Fleetwood Mac 1881 01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:11,680 at the time. In the song Big Love music 1882 01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:15,400 video, Lindsay is mostly the star and it shows him being 1883 01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:17,920 romantic with this woman throughout it, while the rest of 1884 01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:21,840 the band is just kind of dancing and making small appearances and 1885 01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:23,760 I just wondered how Stevie felt about that. 1886 01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:28,360 And shockingly, Lindsay ended up quitting Fleetwood Mac after 1887 01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:31,320 Tango in the Night because he felt used. 1888 01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:34,680 Mick and Stevie were on drugs. He said that they were both so 1889 01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:38,720 out of it and he was fed up with giving his solo work to it and 1890 01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:43,760 he didn't feel appreciated. So he left Fleetwood Mac. 1891 01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:46,920 But the rest of the band did not want him to go. 1892 01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:51,240 I mean, he was a super talented songwriter and amazing guitarist 1893 01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:52,280 and, you know, he's part of the band. 1894 01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:55,200 So they had a meeting at Christine Mcphee's house to try 1895 01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:59,120 to convince him to stay. And Mick Fleetwood, he has an 1896 01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:02,440 autobiography. And in it he described this 1897 01:39:02,440 --> 01:39:06,320 meeting as a showdown. Lindsay said he'd given 12 years 1898 01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:10,040 of his life to the band and he couldn't do it all anymore, 1899 01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:12,280 which upset the rest of the band. 1900 01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:17,360 They're like all do it all. You don't do everything and. 1901 01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:20,160 Then Stevie told. Lindsay, you've broken my 1902 01:39:20,160 --> 01:39:23,560 fucking heart on this. And I guess this really pissed 1903 01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:27,920 him off and he tried to leave, but then she stopped him from 1904 01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:31,120 leaving the room in the doorway and he pushed her aside and said 1905 01:39:31,400 --> 01:39:35,160 get out of my way bitch. And fucked a lot of you, I know. 1906 01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:38,320 And then Stevie, this is I think all according to Mick Fleetwood, 1907 01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:41,440 so take that what you will. I mean, I don't know if we can 1908 01:39:41,440 --> 01:39:44,680 believe everything he wrote. Stevie ran after him outside and 1909 01:39:44,680 --> 01:39:48,080 grabbed him and he slapped her and they basically had like a 1910 01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:52,040 real fight. I know I did not know about 1911 01:39:52,040 --> 01:39:55,280 this, but it is crazy because, you know, it seemed like Stevie 1912 01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:57,920 didn't want to see him anymore. She was so done with this. 1913 01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:00,960 She wanted space from him. And then he tries to quit the 1914 01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:03,880 band and she kind of loses it and is like, no, you can't quit 1915 01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:05,600 the band. Like, you know what's up with 1916 01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:07,120 that? It's interesting. 1917 01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:10,240 But he did end up leaving the band. 1918 01:40:10,280 --> 01:40:14,840 He did reunite with them during the promo for Tango in the Night 1919 01:40:15,120 --> 01:40:19,680 and then they had the Behind the Mask tour, which Kate mom 1920 01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:21,120 actually went to. I saw and. 1921 01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:24,000 Her photo album? Pictures from that mom. 1922 01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:27,920 Apparently mom brought a sign to the concert that said we miss 1923 01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:30,280 Lindsay. What? 1924 01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:32,200 Did it say I'm not? Crazy like we. 1925 01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:35,600 Miss Lindsay or something, because he wasn't in the band 1926 01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:38,360 anymore and they did replace him with two guys. 1927 01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:41,760 So that does show, I guess, how impactful he was. 1928 01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:44,400 But I mean, that's so dramatic and I do hate to see people 1929 01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:46,400 physically fighting. I didn't know that was going to 1930 01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:50,560 happen when I was researching this, but Lindsay did reunite 1931 01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:54,160 with them because Stevie actually, I think at the end of 1932 01:40:54,160 --> 01:40:56,920 the Behind the Mask tour, she decided to leave Fleetwood Mac 1933 01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:59,840 too. She quit the band in 1990 and he 1934 01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:03,080 came back to do her last shows of Fleetwood Mac. 1935 01:41:03,560 --> 01:41:07,040 And so this is Stevie's last shows, December 6th and December 1936 01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:11,200 7th, 1990, they performed Landslide together and I sent 1937 01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:14,320 this clip to you guys. You can see in the video that 1938 01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:18,120 before they perform the song, they kiss on the lip, which it's 1939 01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:21,640 really short, But and then Stevie says it's kind of hard to 1940 01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:24,520 hear because it's a super grainy video and audio. 1941 01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:27,120 But she says I dedicate this song to Buckingham Knicks 1942 01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:29,880 because I hope he will find it in his heart to spend some time 1943 01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:32,640 with me again and maybe make some more music. 1944 01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:37,160 And they perform and near the end, she sort of opens her arms 1945 01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:40,720 as if to hug him, but he just kind of like opens his arms 1946 01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:42,840 further. It's it's kind of awkward. 1947 01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:45,720 It's like, I don't know why it seemed like he was kind of 1948 01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:48,400 avoiding hugging her. But then after the song ends, 1949 01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:57,120 they walk out arm in arm and I would like to dedicate it to 1950 01:41:57,360 --> 01:42:03,160 Buckingham Dicks because I hope that maybe someday he will find 1951 01:42:03,160 --> 01:42:06,040 it in his car to. Spend some time with me again 1952 01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:11,120 and maybe do some more reason. The actual performance like 1953 01:42:11,120 --> 01:42:14,360 isn't. That maybe because it's hard to 1954 01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:16,480 see. It's not like as emotional. 1955 01:42:16,480 --> 01:42:19,120 I mean, the song itself is emotional, but they're not like 1956 01:42:19,480 --> 01:42:22,600 there's less eye contact then. Yeah, there is. 1957 01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:25,280 But the. Yeah, that kiss in the beginning 1958 01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:28,480 is kind of cheeky, but also I commented. 1959 01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:33,320 I could watch hundreds and hundreds of versions of the song 1960 01:42:33,320 --> 01:42:37,560 live or recorded, cocaine loaded or not, and every single version 1961 01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:41,520 is so unique and charged with hundreds of different emotions I 1962 01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:44,560 can't help but cries. Theirs is the king of love 1963 01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:48,600 stories, and no song portrays the sadness and death of it more 1964 01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:53,280 than Landslide. Well put. 1965 01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:56,680 Oh, I see it. Ephah O'Neill wedding music from 1966 01:42:56,680 --> 01:42:58,400 15 years. Ago from 15 years ago. 1967 01:42:59,440 --> 01:43:03,400 All the comments are from like. 1516 years ago, yes, someone 1968 01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:06,520 commented. 16 years ago. No, she was definitely wanting a 1969 01:43:06,520 --> 01:43:08,400 hug. He was having none of it. 1970 01:43:08,400 --> 01:43:11,240 I feel bad for both of them. I don't know, I just. 1971 01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:15,360 Think the world might end when these two just stop singing My 1972 01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:16,680 God. So. 1973 01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:19,040 Neither of them are in Fleetwood Mac anymore. 1974 01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:22,320 They went from literally physically fighting each other 1975 01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:28,960 to kissing on stage. So that's the end of Part 1 and 1976 01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:32,280 Part 2 will pick up in the 90s. Wow. 1977 01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:35,760 Thank you guys for listening. Thank you Cal for. 1978 01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:39,960 All that research, I'm hooked. I can't believe how much. 1979 01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:42,120 There is. I can't believe that they're 1980 01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:45,080 broken. Up and there's more for Part 2 I 1981 01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:47,200 feel like if. Somehow we got into it all. 1982 01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:49,000 We'd be here all night or something. 1983 01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:54,040 If this is only I know. I know I could have like, no, 1984 01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:56,160 never mind. I couldn't have we. 1985 01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:59,160 I feel like that's. What I like about our podcast is 1986 01:43:59,560 --> 01:44:04,520 we really do do deep dives into these couples and sometimes that 1987 01:44:04,640 --> 01:44:08,520 means you like have to split up the episode or else, you know, 1988 01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:10,680 you're worried people are going to be like, well, you left out 1989 01:44:10,680 --> 01:44:12,600 this. You left out that and like 1990 01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:14,400 sometimes. You do have to skip details. 1991 01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:16,680 But. Yeah, that's what that's what 1992 01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:18,920 the show's all about. Learning more, you know. 1993 01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:22,960 Getting deep into it, I think a lot of people know that you 1994 01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:26,240 know, dreams or go your own ways about them. 1995 01:44:26,240 --> 01:44:29,480 But yeah, there's a lot of stuff that I feel like isn't talked 1996 01:44:29,480 --> 01:44:31,680 about as much. So it was fun learning about it 1997 01:44:32,280 --> 01:44:34,640 and yeah, I guess, I guess no teaser. 1998 01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:36,840 I can't really be too mysterious about it. 1999 01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:40,080 Who? Are we talking about next? 2000 01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:43,360 Next week will be about. Two people in Fleetwood bag. 2001 01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:45,480 That will be. 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