1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:08,520 Are you lonesome tonight? Do you miss me tonight? 2 00:00:09,040 --> 00:00:19,800 Are you sorry we. Hi guys, Welcome to Significant 3 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:21,720 Lovers. We're your hosts. 4 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,320 My name is Mel. And I'm Kel. 5 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,680 And I'm Caitlin and this is the podcast where each week we dive 6 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,920 into the high profile relationships of yesterday and 7 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,520 today, from antiquity to modern times, and figure out why they 8 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,800 worked or why they didn't, and what that means for all the rest 9 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,880 of us trying to navigate this crazy thing called love so. 10 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,520 True, and we're cousins. Yes, and Mel is leading the 11 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,520 episode today. Yes, today we'll. 12 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,320 Be covering Mel. Today we are talking about the 13 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:58,400 famous writer William Shakespeare, playwright from the 14 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,680 16th century, 17th century. Well, a little bit of both, 16th 15 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,360 and 17th. Yeah, he overlapped both. 16 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:11,280 And his wife, Anne Hathaway, not Hathaway. 17 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,160 Dad asked who we were covering, and I was like William 18 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:15,520 Shakespeare. And he's like, oh, William 19 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,640 Shakespeare and who? And I said Anne Hathaway. 20 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:19,560 And he thought I was like pulling a joke. 21 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,200 He's like, what? What? 22 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:27,680 What do you mean, Anne Hathaway? I remember learning that in 7th 23 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,920 grade and never forgetting it. That her name was Annie. 24 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,720 Yeah, Sam. So funny. 25 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,680 But you know, what's interesting is I don't know the actress Anne 26 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,280 Hathaway. I forget her husband's name but 27 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,280 the Internet like learned that she had the same name as William 28 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:48,520 Shakespeare a couple years ago and then pulled up images of her 29 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,040 husband and then compared it to portraits of William Shakespeare 30 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,560 and been like Oh my God they're the same. 31 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,400 This is so freaking. I've seen that too. 32 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,920 But he does kind of look like William Shakespeare. 33 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:06,280 The only thing is, which is crazy, is all the images or 34 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,840 paintings that we have of William Shakespeare today. 35 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,960 A lot of them were actually painted after he died. 36 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,800 And there are portraits of him from his lifetime that we 37 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,080 believe are him. But we there is no evidence that 38 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,160 he ever actually commissioned a painting. 39 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,720 And so a lot of the portraits we have of him could have been just 40 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,040 from people's imaginations or descriptions of him. 41 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,520 So in a way, we don't really know what he looked like. 42 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,760 Oh, interesting, that's kind of crazy. 43 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,800 I didn't realize that because I feel like if you see a statue of 44 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,320 him or picture, maybe just for me at least, I'm like, oh, 45 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:44,720 that's William Shakespeare. It's an iconic look to me and 46 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,640 it's crazy to think that that might not even be him or what he 47 00:02:47,640 --> 00:02:50,400 even looked like. Wow all. 48 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,360 Right, guys. So we're going to do our new 49 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:54,960 favorite segment. I guess it's not that new 50 00:02:54,960 --> 00:03:00,400 anymore, but I'm going to hit you with some, I think more easy 51 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,240 questions than we've been doing in the past. 52 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,800 So you guys should be able to get these pretty quickly. 53 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,600 It'll be about speed then. They all fit the theme of 54 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,920 today's episode, which is William Shakespeare. 55 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,960 OK, I'm excited. First question, name the actress 56 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,800 who we covered who was cheated on while starring in a 57 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,480 Shakespeare play. Bonus points if you can name the 58 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:27,480 play. Oh, oh, it was, it was Sienna 59 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:33,320 Miller and she was doing 12th night maybe. 60 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,360 No. OK, but I know it's Sienna 61 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,680 Miller 'cause it was supposed to be like her big thing. 62 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,400 Yep, it was Sienna Miller. What was it? 63 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:44,800 What story was it? Tempest. 64 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,880 It's as you like it. Oh, yeah. 65 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:50,520 It's a tough one. I know. 66 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,000 I wouldn't either. OK, I thought Cena Miller, but 67 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,680 it was too slow. OK, this one. 68 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,480 Here we go. This one's a little harder. 69 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,080 Name the couple who got together while filming a movie loosely 70 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,320 inspired by Shakespeare's play Romeo and Juliet. 71 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:10,600 Loosely inspired Oh oh, Rachel McAdams and Ryan Gosling. 72 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:15,440 No Robert Penson and Kristen Stewart. 73 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:22,760 Ding Ding, Ding, yeah. The movie is none other than the 74 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,880 classic film. New movie, it's that really 75 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:31,200 loosely inspired. Yes, they even talk about Romeo 76 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:36,040 and Juliet. I know, but it but it's wasn't 77 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:41,240 like it was her idea to do a loosely inspired version of 78 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:42,800 Romeo and. Who's Stephanie Meyer? 79 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:44,960 Yes. Whatever. 80 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,960 OK, OK. OK, every book is inspired by 81 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,840 classic literature. But it was based on her dream. 82 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:55,200 Yeah, but that was just one. Part. 83 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,440 That was the first. 1 chapter was from her. 84 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,520 OK, OK. Expanded it OK 11. 85 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,920 We are tied. We actually have 4 questions. 86 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:10,000 Four good, never before done. So there are two individuals who 87 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,280 we have covered in separate episodes on our podcast who both 88 00:05:14,280 --> 00:05:19,000 dated each other after starring in a romantic comedy inspired by 89 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,160 William Shakespeare. Who are they and what is the 90 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:23,640 movie? Wait, what? 91 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,600 I'm confused. OK, there's two individuals who 92 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,760 we covered on the podcast, but in separate relationships, not 93 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:33,800 together. We did not cover these two 94 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:38,720 people together, but these two people dated after meeting on a 95 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:43,480 film about William Shakespeare. OK, OK. 96 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,400 Loosely about him. It's not historically accurate, 97 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,880 but it's a film about William Shakespeare. 98 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,600 Oh, what? Gwyneth Paltrow and Ben Affleck. 99 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:54,800 Ding, Ding, Ding, that's correct. 100 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,680 I knew it was Gwyneth Paltrow, Biden. 101 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:01,600 The other reason was. Ben Affleck and Gwyneth Paltrow 102 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,840 dated off and on between 1997 and 2000 after meeting on the 103 00:06:05,840 --> 00:06:08,520 film Shakespeare in Love. Shakespeare covered. 104 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,680 We covered them both on the show, Gwyneth Paltrow with Brad 105 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,960 Pitt and Ben Affleck with Jennifer Lopez and Jennifer 106 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,080 Gardner. OK, Kate. 107 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,080 You sound so professional. Thank you. 108 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,760 OK, this is the final question and it I think it's pretty easy, 109 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,720 but which three women who we have covered on our show are 110 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,480 connected in a chain where one has portrayed another? 111 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,680 Who has portrayed another? Who is the real life inspiration 112 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,000 behind a Shakespeare play? Huh. 113 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,080 Wait, portrayed. OK betrayed. 114 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,840 Oh, portrayed So they're connected in a chain. 115 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,880 One woman. One woman portrayed. 116 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,200 Portrayed in film. Betrayed. 117 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:58,800 Portrayed with AP. With. 118 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:04,520 APP as in pill P as in. OK, Pillsbury, I really don't 119 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,680 like Betrayed. No, no, I thought. 120 00:07:06,840 --> 00:07:09,240 It was trade too, OK. P as in. 121 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,520 Someone cheated with someone who cheated with somebody. 122 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,320 OK, let me let me ask the question. 123 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:20,200 OK, let and let me let me say. Clinchy Lohan has betrayed 124 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,840 Elizabeth Taylor, who who betrayed Cleopatra. 125 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,920 Correct, Correct, Caitlin. Yeah. 126 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,080 I didn't understand the question. 127 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,280 I'm sure it sounds totally fine on. 128 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,520 I'm sure it sounds fine on the recording, but over the phone 129 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,880 sometimes you can't. Yeah, I thought she said 130 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,520 betrayed too. So I it took me a while to 131 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:45,680 figure it out. Also. 132 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,280 I did. Think about Elizabeth Taylor, 133 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:48,480 though. Just because I was like, oh, 134 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,080 Elizabeth Taylor, Debbie Reynolds, like, that's a 135 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:52,800 betrayal. But then that's what I was like. 136 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,800 Good person. Yeah, I was like, how does it 137 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:59,280 figure into the person who inspired William Shakespeare's? 138 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,560 Like they weren't alive at the same time? 139 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:02,600 I was like, what? Huh. 140 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:03,560 I don't know. So. 141 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:08,400 OK, Caitlin wins. Now we need someone to play 142 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,160 Lindsay Lohan in a film. And then we will. 143 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:12,480 That's definitely going to happen. 144 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,240 A chain of. Four different women. 145 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,040 It could happen. It could happen. 146 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,800 Oh, so I have a question for you guys, which we were talking 147 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:23,080 about in our group message. What counts as a biopic? 148 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,120 We were talking about this. Well, I don't think you saw it 149 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:26,920 yet. I think I. 150 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:31,800 Was just wondering like someone is a movie about or is a movie 151 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,600 about a real person a biopic? Like would Spencer be considered 152 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,679 a biopic or does it have to be like about their life? 153 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,440 Yeah, but I mean at the same time a. 154 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,680 Real person. Yeah, like Shakespeare in Love 155 00:08:44,680 --> 00:08:47,360 is not a biopic, even though it's like about. 156 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,760 It's a historical fiction fiction film, you know? 157 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,680 Yeah. So it's kind of making it up. 158 00:08:52,680 --> 00:08:57,480 But if it was a realistic portrayal about Shakespeare, 159 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,080 that's a biopic. But I guess a lot of biopics are 160 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:06,160 also making it up. Yeah, but if it's trying to be 161 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,960 really historical, even if they're making it up like 162 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:13,800 Napoleon by Ridley Scott, I would still say that's a biopic. 163 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,240 OK, I wasn't sure. All right, before we get into 164 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,360 the love story, we have some new patrons that we want to thank 165 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,520 and shout out. So I want to say thanks to 166 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:31,520 Alexis, Layla, Matthew, Diana, and that's it. 167 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,320 Thanks for joining me, Patreon. Thank you. 168 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:35,320 Thank you, Thank you. Thank. 169 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:40,640 You guys and everybody that signs up gets 2 full bonus 170 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:46,040 episodes a month and they are long really pretty much never 171 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:50,240 shorter than an hour. So you're getting hours more of 172 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,560 significant lovers for five. Bucks. 173 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,520 Yeah, you're getting your money's worth. 174 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,280 So, Mel, if you were to describe William Shakespeare and Anne 175 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,120 Hathaway in three words, what 3 words would you? 176 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:13,000 Use, I would say mysterious, private and I would say. 177 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:18,960 Distant even back then they were private. 178 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:24,640 Like no comment. Believe it or not, yes, because 179 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:29,880 William Shakespeare, to our knowledge, none of his work was 180 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:34,680 autobiographical or there's no way for us to know that, and so 181 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:39,040 he didn't really write about Anne Hathaway his wife at all, 182 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:43,680 besides potentially 1 sonnet, which I will get to in the 183 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:46,160 episode. But other than that, we don't 184 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,880 really get much personal work from Mr. William Shakespeare. 185 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,280 Interesting. Yeah, I guess that is private 186 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,400 then, 'cause some people are putting their personal life into 187 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,160 all their writing and even their fiction, so. 188 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:06,920 Yeah, and he he really leaves it up to us, to our own 189 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,880 interpretations of the work. OK, now let's get into the 190 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,920 episode. But I'm. 191 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,080 Excited. Me too, I'm a huge William 192 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,680 Shakespeare fan. You are. 193 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:25,040 Yeah, I read most of his works. I took a class about in college. 194 00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:28,640 Cool. Yeah, and I got to perform him 195 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,880 also. I'm like generally, I guess 196 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,480 because of school, same as you. Like, I took this class when I 197 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:41,200 started abroad in London, I took this history of London class and 198 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,680 it mostly focused on the 1600s. And so we were like talking 199 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:48,360 about Shakespeare's world. And I saw the. 200 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,240 They have like a reconstructed Globe theatre that I saw. 201 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,280 And it's cool. I haven't read as much as you, 202 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,560 Kate, but I am like interested in that time period. 203 00:11:56,560 --> 00:11:58,040 So I'm also excited. Yeah. 204 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:59,760 I. Love that time period, Loki. 205 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,080 I did. I read a lot of Shakespeare in 206 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,920 school, like I was a English major, just like Kelly. 207 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,160 But I'm by no means a Shakespeare expert. 208 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,320 And I felt a little intimidated by this episode because there's 209 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:17,520 just so much material out there that, like I said, we don't know 210 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,200 much about them. Their record keeping at that 211 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:25,240 time wasn't super great at all. So a lot of the evidence we have 212 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:29,040 of their lives is like birth certificates or like legal 213 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:34,520 documents, epitaphs on a grave, like very garse things to go off 214 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,480 of. It would be like if someone 215 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,280 centuries into the future right now is trying to personify you 216 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,800 from like 5 documents from your whole entire life and then piece 217 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,960 them together and to come up with who you were and what your 218 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,880 story is. Obviously, we have Shakespeare's 219 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,920 work, and even with that, everyone tries to put that 220 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:59,200 together to like come up with some theories about who he was 221 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,160 as a person in his thoughts and feelings. 222 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,920 But like I said, we don't even know that any of those were 223 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:09,120 autobiographical at all. So historians and scholars 224 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,080 throughout all of history have just been trying to kind of fill 225 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,800 in their own gaps. And a lot of times that is a 226 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:21,840 reflection of maybe their own biases or values that they're 227 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,840 bringing to his story. So with that, there's like not a 228 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:30,880 lot to say, but then also a lot at the same time because there's 229 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,440 just so many different theories about him and their marriage. 230 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,880 So this is not going to be totally comprehensive. 231 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,720 There's I'm sure a lot that I'm going to miss. 232 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,720 There's you could have like a whole podcast just about 233 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,880 Shakespeare in general, so. Oh, for. 234 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:45,640 Sure. Yeah, that's OK. 235 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,240 And I love that. I, I personally kind of like the 236 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,680 episodes. Well, OK, well, I love the 237 00:13:50,680 --> 00:13:53,120 episodes that are huge deep dives that are like 3 hours 238 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,720 long. I do, but I kind of like it when 239 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,520 there isn't that much because it is like really exciting every 240 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,960 time you find anything and it is fun to like read too far into 241 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,760 things. So no worries, yeah. 242 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,520 OK, but who is William Shakespeare? 243 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:16,280 His birthday is not known, but he was baptized in April 1564 in 244 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:21,320 Stratford upon Avon, which was a market town of roughly 2000 245 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,480 people. His father was named John 246 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,560 Shakespeare, who was a successful glove maker, and his 247 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,520 mother, Mary, was the descendant of a prominent and wealthy 248 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:36,040 family of land owners. Oh, what's funny is I think so 249 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:40,040 my school that I went to my college, we had Shakespeare Day 250 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:45,440 and I always thought it was his birthday that we held it on, but 251 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,520 I think it was his baptismal day, the April 15th. 252 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,280 So I didn't. I didn't even know that. 253 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:51,960 We didn't even know his actual birthday. 254 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,600 Well, that's actually his baptism day is April 23rd. 255 00:14:55,880 --> 00:15:00,480 Oh, April 23rd, Sorry. And spoiler alert, that is also 256 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:02,200 believed to be the day that he died. 257 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,000 So he might have died on his birthday, but we don't know if 258 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,240 he was really baptized on his actual birthday. 259 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,040 He probably wasn't, but yeah. It could have been. 260 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,560 Probably not, yeah. But he might have died on his 261 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,440 baptism day, which is interesting. 262 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:20,760 Wow, that. Reminds me of when John Adams 263 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,000 died on July 4th. Yeah. 264 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,440 Yeah, very cool. So did who? 265 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,960 Was it Thomas Jefferson, too? Yeah, they both. 266 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,560 Did weird. Anyway I. 267 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,520 Think it would be kind of cool to die on your birthday I. 268 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,040 Kind of suck. It's a tough birthday. 269 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,360 It's a tough birthday, but it feels very like, how would it be 270 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:47,240 a tough birthday? It just feels very full circle, 271 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:48,600 yeah. Yeah, it's OK. 272 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,480 I. Always thought you're older. 273 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,360 But what if you had like a plan for the day? 274 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:56,120 Like you had a big party later, but then you died before you 275 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,320 got. To it, you know, obviously if 276 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,960 you're like young that would suck and if you're like 99, it'd 277 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:04,760 be cool to die like on your 100th. 278 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,040 Birthday or something or? Even Yeah, your 99th birthday. 279 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,800 Any of those. Yeah, there's always a chance it 280 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,840 could happen. Knock on wood anyway. 281 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,720 Sorry, Mount. So before he was born, his 282 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,760 parents had two children named Joan and Margaret, but they 283 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,760 sadly died when they were infants before before he was 284 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,440 born. And then they had five more 285 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,240 children after William, This Shakespeare family, they were 286 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,920 relatively well off. And John Williams, his father, 287 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,920 his business was was thriving during Williams early childhood. 288 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,000 And he also served as the high bailiff of the City Council for 289 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,240 a term which in today's terms, is equivalent to being the 290 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,400 mayor. It's believed that William 291 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:50,360 attended grammar school and upper school in Stratford, where 292 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,160 he could have been taught how to read and write in both English 293 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:57,560 and Latin at the time. However, it is so interesting. 294 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:58,120 I know. Yeah. 295 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,280 It is widely believed that when William was about 10 to 12 years 296 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,280 old, his father financially fell upon hard times for being a 297 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,720 little corrupt and a little shady. 298 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,440 Oh no. He was accused of illegal 299 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:17,000 unlicensed wool trading on the black market. 300 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:21,839 I guess which was this was a business that was tightly 301 00:17:21,839 --> 00:17:24,960 regulated and reserved for only really the elite members of 302 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,000 society. And he also faced illegal 303 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,680 issues, legal issues for allegedly buying and selling 304 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,640 houses with excessively high interest rates. 305 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:40,280 OK, I I can't believe wool was once on the black market. 306 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,760 That's kind of hilarious. Yeah, so he ended up falling 307 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,240 into debt and retiring from public life altogether. 308 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,880 So the Shakespeare family was not doing too well when he was a 309 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,000 teenager. But yeah, as I mentioned, 310 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,360 there's not a lot known about William's life otherwise. 311 00:17:57,360 --> 00:18:00,600 Surprisingly, we have no diary entries or personal letters from 312 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,840 him, so we have to fill on our own gaps. 313 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:09,720 And yeah, we only can imagine who he was, and I'm guessing he 314 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,320 might have been a private person since he really doesn't reveal 315 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,680 that much about himself in his writing to our knowledge. 316 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,240 I'm guessing that his family's kind of fall from grace would 317 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,520 humble him a little bit or? Yeah. 318 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,200 He seems like he's an ambitious guy. 319 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:32,360 Yeah, a lot of his works are pastoral, about loving nature 320 00:18:32,360 --> 00:18:35,720 and the country, so that's probably the only thing I could 321 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:40,200 glean from his works is he prefers the country to the city, 322 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,360 but that's probably about it. Yeah. 323 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:47,520 And I even was wondering, our perception of writers and 324 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:53,960 artists is that they are driven by this creative force to create 325 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,680 stuff and put it out into the world, not necessarily for 326 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,440 financial benefit. And William obviously was so 327 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,880 talented and a genius in itself, and I'm sure was super 328 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,640 passionate about his work. But part of me did wonder, like, 329 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:12,960 how much of it also was just like a means of money making for 330 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,320 him, if this is like something he was good at. 331 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,240 So this was his career, you know, does that make sense? 332 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,760 Like, he, he did it for the money and to make a living. 333 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:26,720 So how do we even know if the stuff that he wrote even had 334 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,880 anything to do with his own personal feelings? 335 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,840 Or rather what he thought might make him the most money? 336 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,560 Like maybe he thought audiences were like this. 337 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,560 Again, this class I took was many, many years ago, but the 338 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:46,040 idea of him kind of writing for money's sake I think is correct 339 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:53,840 or very much a seemingly likely interpretation because there it 340 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,280 was a way to make money and a way to get recognition and a way 341 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:02,480 to have a job and have writing. These plays were the only ways 342 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,600 that basically he was able to make money. 343 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,440 And the more he turned out, the more he was paid. 344 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:13,080 So I think it is probably accurate to say that maybe he 345 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:17,520 was creative. But the amount of plays he wrote 346 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:22,320 and maybe what he wrote was influenced by the crowd, by the 347 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,520 people he was working for. I think we learned that like a 348 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:29,080 lot of his comedies, especially how they're written, it might 349 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:33,320 not be what Shakespeare himself thought was good, but what he 350 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:37,160 thought that people would enjoy. Yeah, exactly. 351 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,160 Funny. And I feel like by modern, the 352 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,760 modern equivalent to that could be someone like Nicholas Sparks, 353 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:48,880 who writes a lot of these hit romance novels, which are then 354 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,160 made into these big blockbuster movies. 355 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:52,920 And some of them I think are really good. 356 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:57,880 Some of them not so much, but they are very popular. 357 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,600 Or even someone like Barry Jenkins or something who 358 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,320 directed Moonlight. But then it's kind of like one 359 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:05,920 for me, one for them type of thing. 360 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:11,040 Like, oh, now I have to direct Lion King Mufasa movie to make 361 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:15,560 money, but I do wanna do these passion projects on the side. 362 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,920 So yeah, I think that was kind of. 363 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,240 The key for them. Yeah. 364 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,120 Sorry for like another anecdote, but it reminds me of of Scott 365 00:21:24,120 --> 00:21:27,400 Fitzgerald as well. I think his novels were truly 366 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,920 like his passion from his heart or whatever, but he wrote a ton. 367 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,160 I remember he wrote a ton of short stories and I think they 368 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,840 were kind of just like what people wanted like about rich 369 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:43,080 young people, like being silly in New York and stuff. 370 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,320 And you know, it was just, I think it was purely to pay the 371 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:47,880 bills, so. Yeah, I think. 372 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,040 So like they all do a good job. Like, especially Shakespeare, 373 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,720 like I think he put his best work forward probably. 374 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,480 But yeah, that's a good point. I think most of his comedies and 375 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,200 romances were the ones that were paying his bills more than the 376 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,600 other ones. Yeah, yeah, totally. 377 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,840 But I guess, like, before we get into Anne, that leads me to a 378 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,760 question that I asked our patrons is what critically 379 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,440 underrated relics of modern pop culture, you know, books, 380 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,960 movies, TV shows, do you think will gain greater recognition 381 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,200 and scholarly attention hundreds of years into the future? 382 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,120 And I just want to read some responses because I really liked 383 00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:30,360 it. And this is because a lot of 384 00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:33,320 Shakespeare's plays at the time were really popular. 385 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,840 But maybe not as critically well received, at least not in the 386 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,320 beginning. But now we study them in school. 387 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:45,720 They're some of the most notable pieces of literature of all 388 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,840 time. Like Shakespeare in itself is 389 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,200 synonymous with more than just his work. 390 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,200 Yes. Libby Jibby said, I think any 391 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,600 storytelling centering minorities in the US, the 392 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,800 content is also so few and far between compared to pop culture 393 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,840 centering white people. Andrea said oh wait, this is so 394 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,040 sweet. She said maybe your podcast. 395 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:15,200 It is an in depth collection of 100 plus famous couples stories, 396 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,280 getting to know them from start to finish. 397 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,280 To this day we've discussed all sorts of romantic stories such 398 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,680 as Shakespeare, King Henry the 8th, his six wives, and the 399 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:30,640 story of Eurydice and Orpheus. So your podcast is definitely in 400 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,240 the running. That is so sweet. 401 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,400 She also said she said also the before trilogy movies. 402 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,160 We don't know if the future will like our stereotypical ROM coms 403 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,880 so they may trash on them and and like uphold previous arts 404 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,680 that uphold more so their views. So maybe the before trilogy 405 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,720 because to them it may portray something more realistic to 406 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:56,160 everyday real life couples. I love those movies and they are 407 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,720 super underrated. And that was a part of your 408 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,120 question that I kind of forgot, Mel. 409 00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:02,520 Like I started thinking of some answers, but I was definitely 410 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,160 thinking of things that are critically acclaimed so or at 411 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,240 least like really popular so. I love dumped. 412 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,840 And of course, I hope Twilight, you know, ages in this way. 413 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:19,000 Yeah, Lola said. One of the things I love the 414 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,440 most about history is that we never know what is going to 415 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,680 become important once it gets buried in time. 416 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,400 This one guy, Ian Nasir, sells really bad copper in Mesopotamia 417 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,120 almost 4000 years ago and the angry customer complaints for in 418 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:33,200 in clay tablets are now in a museum. 419 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,520 Could my frustrated emails to Vodafone because of the bad 420 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,600 Internet one day elicit the same wonder? 421 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,360 Oh my gosh. Some of the first examples we've 422 00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:48,720 ever found of the written word in all of human history are just 423 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,840 a grocery list and a recipe for beer, most probably written by 424 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,800 women. 2IN Common was a very minor ruler of Egypt and quite 425 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,640 forgotten during his time, which is why nobody bothered raiding 426 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,920 his tomb, and that preservation made him legendary centuries 427 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,920 later. What if in the 54th century 428 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,200 everyone inexplicitly loves William McKinley and he inspires 429 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:19,760 fashion collections? Who is William? 430 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:24,240 McKinley, that's so funny, That's so funny. 431 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,280 Nobody bothered raiding his. Tomb. 432 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,680 That's hilarious. OK, A fast food vendor for 433 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,960 construction workers in Pompeii saw the lava coming come 434 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,360 quickly, so he ditched his stall and ran. 435 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:39,080 And today we know. We can now know they ate snails 436 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,160 and sardines and sometimes giraffe because the food is 437 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,400 still there. What if I'm giraffe? 438 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,560 I know. What if a meteor strikes and a 439 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,080 random avocado toast Instagram picture is the only thing that 440 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,480 survives from this civilization in 1000 years? 441 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,760 And we don't know which one it will be. 442 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:01,400 Hopefully it's a good photo. I know it's not like one for 443 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,880 like 2016 with like Snapchat filters on it or something. 444 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,080 They think like, oh. Those, those should be 445 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:08,640 remembered. I think that should be 446 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,400 remembered more than now, actually. 447 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,920 That was like such a weird specific thing all those filters 448 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,720 have you. Seen those videos where someone 449 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:24,520 is like I had a kid in 2016 and they show videos of them just 450 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,200 filming their kids really. Yeah. 451 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,600 So such a template of its time. I don't know what would be 452 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,240 remembered today, because I think also today there's just so 453 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:41,640 much compared to before, where there's very limited publishing, 454 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,160 very limited what's shown on stage. 455 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,040 There wasn't movies, there wasn't TV, there wasn't music. 456 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,800 And today, well, there was music, but there wasn't like, 457 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,880 streaming or recorded music. Recorded music, yeah. 458 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,800 But today, there's just so much that it's hard to say what could 459 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,400 even be remembered or what's going to be stored or what's 460 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:05,160 going to be, I know, preserved. I mean, I know we have. 461 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,840 Freaks me out. The archive of movies, you know, 462 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,600 they put it in a vault and stuff. 463 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,560 So there's those movies. I don't know how well protected 464 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,440 that is. The US government keeps it 465 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,480 contained, so I guess those movies will be remembered, but I 466 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,400 don't know, preserving them, yeah. 467 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,240 I know, I mean, they were just so bad at preserving stuff 468 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,080 during Shakespeare's time. Oh yeah. 469 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,040 It's so bad at it, I don't know why you think. 470 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,960 Even the 1920s and 1930s, they weren't preserving things as 471 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,320 well. Like all of the silent film. 472 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,880 Like most of the silent films weren't well preserved and we 473 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,920 don't have any record of them anymore. 474 00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:50,200 So we do have plenty of hunting films that we can watch, but 475 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,800 there was like thousands more that we'll never be able to see 476 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,680 because they just weren't preserved well. 477 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,240 It's almost like everybody was Type B or something. 478 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,640 Like it's crazy that like nobody was like, wait, let's save all 479 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,120 this stuff for the future. I know. 480 00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:07,080 They they probably felt like they had just as much stuff as 481 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:09,320 us and we thought some things were junk. 482 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,640 I read that even video games from like the 80s are becoming 483 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,320 lost to time. Like people haven't been 484 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,240 preserving. And you might think like, oh, 485 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,480 who cares? But I guess a lot of like old 486 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,960 video games haven't been preserved and some of them like 487 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,040 you just cannot find any more. It's like really dependent on 488 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,520 just like random individuals who still have them in their attic 489 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,760 or whatever, but people just throw stuff away. 490 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,600 Yeah. I mean, even like I was talking 491 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,040 in the Whoopi Goldberg and Ted Danson episode, you can't find 492 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,560 any episodes pretty much from the Arcino Hall TV show, from 493 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,320 Whoopi's TV show, the Whoopi Goldberg show. 494 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,120 And yeah, maybe those aren't Congress caliber worthy of 495 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,600 things preserved, but it's still nice that we have a record of 496 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,000 all these things. I saw that some lady, like had 497 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,640 just taken it upon herself. Yeah, tape all TVI forget what 498 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,200 decade it was, like maybe the 80s. 499 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,880 I know exactly what you're talking about it. 500 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,040 Yes. They didn't have tape recorders 501 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,440 in the 70s. Yeah, maybe the 90s. 502 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:13,280 But thanks to her they actually have like all these recorded TV 503 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,400 like commercials and stuff. But a lot of that stuff's just 504 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,680 been totally lost. I know. 505 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,520 Yeah, even VHS tapes, which this is a warning to people, 506 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:28,120 apparently they lose their quality every 10 to 25 years, 507 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,360 about 10 to 20% of their quality. 508 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,200 So they're in a way expiring if you have VHS. 509 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,360 Type. Oh my God. 510 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,000 VHS tapes, so it's very important for you to digitize 511 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,320 them now before you lose that footage forever. 512 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,280 Dang, we got to get up on our family videos and whatnot if we 513 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:50,680 haven't archived them yet. I know I've always worried, like 514 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,440 I would worry about this when I was younger, that someday our 515 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,000 plugs and the walls would change and then I wouldn't be able to 516 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:02,000 like, ever plug in my, I don't know, Nintendo DS, which now I 517 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,080 don't even care. But I used to worry about that. 518 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,560 Like what if someday I can't, like, you know, turn on my 519 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,280 computer? I know. 520 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,280 I think I've thought about that too. 521 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,120 Even like my Nook, my wicked old Nook, I was like, all those 522 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,720 books I have on it, Like, what if I lose that? 523 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,520 And now I don't care about the books that I have on it. 524 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:28,400 But it is still sad. Like, yeah, I, I don't even 525 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,720 think I'm even able to access the network on it anymore 'cause 526 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:36,200 I think Kuznook's pretty much dead in the water that Dang, 527 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,720 it's hard to even. I tried to boot it up recently 528 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:40,640 and it's just the. E. 529 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,000 Reader thing. But As for today, I mean, yeah, 530 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,480 I would hope like The Hunger Games movies or Twilight could 531 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,360 stand the test of time, but it's very hard to say. 532 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,160 Yeah, that's the thing. You just don't know. 533 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:00,240 But anyways that's that was. Yeah, long tangent. 534 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,320 Yes, but OK, who is Anne Hathaway? 535 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,520 She was born in 1556 in Shottery, England, though in her 536 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,600 father's will she is listed as Agnes, leading some to wonder if 537 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,400 Anne was even her real name or if those were just one and the 538 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,400 same. Oh weird, maybe Anne was a 539 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,560 nickname or something. Yeah, some people might think 540 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,480 that they were interchangeable names, kind of like Jack and 541 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,400 John. She was the daughter of a 542 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,480 farmer, and from an early age, her and her siblings would have 543 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,160 likely scared away the crows on the farm. 544 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,200 And she would have learned to milk the animals, prepared the 545 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,320 milk and looked after small animals such as chicken and 546 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,600 geese and ducks, along with doing all the household chores 547 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,320 that were expected of women women of that time. 548 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,880 It's believed that her mother died when she was around 10 549 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:53,120 years old and that her father most likely remarried and then 550 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:59,080 he passed away when Anne was 25, leaving her with 6 lbs thirteen 551 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,560 shillings and 4 pence, which is roughly today a little over 552 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:07,640 $6000 to be used as her dowry on the day of her marriage. 553 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:13,480 Wow I can't believe inflation. I know 6 lbs into like 6. 1000 I 554 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:18,200 know that's overwhelming that's something that I'm I hate about 555 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,400 thinking about the future too it's like is it going to be 556 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,720 normal to be like oh here's $1,000,000 to buy myself a pair 557 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,560 of jeans you know can we. Just stop with the inflation? 558 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,640 Or can we just move the decimal point? 559 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,320 Yeah, I do think. Everyone just agrees it means 560 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,000 the same thing, yeah. I think should like, let's move 561 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,200 it down. That might even help the economy 562 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,280 because people will feel like things are cheaper than they 563 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,040 are. Was Anne still living with her 564 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,280 stepmother or like after her dad died? 565 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,960 We don't know where she was living, people think. 566 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,680 Sad though, she's an orphan at 20. 567 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:57,200 Yeah, people think that. So Fast forward, I guess usually 568 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,200 during this time, weddings would take place at the bride's home, 569 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,680 but her and William didn't get married at her house, so it's 570 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,880 possible that she had moved out at some point. 571 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,880 Yeah, or like lost the house or something. 572 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,720 Yeah, it's crazy. But yeah, not much else is known 573 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,520 about her upbringing. It's assumed that she most 574 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,880 likely didn't attend school as girls didn't at that time 575 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,480 period, and that she had around seven siblings and was 576 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,160 presumably the oldest, but we don't know that for sure. 577 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:31,720 Wow, OK. But how did William and Anne 578 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,400 meet? We don't know. 579 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,160 But they did grow up a few miles down the road in nearby towns, 580 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,800 and it's assumed that their parents may have known each 581 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,800 other. But again, we don't know. 582 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,800 But they officially got married on what is believed to be 583 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:55,720 November 28th, 1582. At this time, William was just 584 00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:00,320 18 years old and Anne was 26. Oh. 585 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,720 My gosh. And there's there's a lot more 586 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,199 to say about this. I think it seems unusual to us 587 00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:13,480 that she was older, but it does make sense considering that her 588 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,400 mother died. Maybe she was taking care of her 589 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,880 siblings for a while. And it is interesting that she 590 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,000 did get married a year after her father died when she did have 591 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,760 that money for the dowry. So like what if her dad was like 592 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,719 holding on to the money and didn't give it to her until she 593 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,560 inherited it? Like, who knows? 594 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:40,719 What was going on? But wow, 18 and I know people 595 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,639 would say that's like problematic, but yeah, it's kind 596 00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:47,480 of cool. Well, you know what? 597 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:48,600 I. Know that she got with this 598 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,199 young guy what so. On the day of their wedding, she 599 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:54,639 was actually three months pregnant. 600 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,520 With his baby. Yup. 601 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,960 Do we know that? He's a teen dad. 602 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:06,840 Oh my gosh. This leads historians to believe 603 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,560 that the couple was pressured into marriage due to the social 604 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,920 stigma of having a baby out of wedlock. 605 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,160 Oh my God, probably low key. Oh my God. 606 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:19,880 Been into each other though, yeah. 607 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,960 Well, I'll get some more of that in the IT later, but there are 608 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,640 records from the day before their wedding that William 609 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:32,360 Shakespeare is listed as marrying to be married to a 610 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,640 woman named Anne Wheatley on a marriage license. 611 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,920 And some people believe this means that maybe he was involved 612 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,360 with two different aunts and almost married one one day until 613 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,600 finding about that Anne Hathaway was pregnant. 614 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,720 But I feel like that's a little far fetched. 615 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,400 I honestly think that it's more likely that they just 616 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,680 accidentally wrote the wrong last name, or maybe that that 617 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,080 maybe that was like her middle name or something. 618 00:35:56,240 --> 00:36:03,040 Maybe Wow, yeah, that would be that would be insane if he was 619 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,320 like going to marry someone and then found out who's someone he 620 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,680 slept with was pregnant. I mean, I I could see that 621 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:13,160 definitely being the case, but it just is wild that they're 622 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,800 both named Anne. I mean, Anne was a really 623 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,120 popular name, but yeah, that would be kind of crazy. 624 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,440 Maybe if the first names were different but that would just be 625 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,080 weird that like he's like oh wait sorry I'm going to marry 626 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,000 this different aunt instead. Or see Shelly had like 3 627 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,160 Harriet's. Yeah, it makes me think that, 628 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,680 like, if they were forced into marriage because she was 629 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:41,240 pregnant, that she must have had some male relative, obviously, 630 00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:44,400 like her dad's dead at this time, who would have been 631 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:49,920 pressuring the marriage. Because if she was without any 632 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,800 sort of relatives or relations, there would be less pressure for 633 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,000 her to get married. She'd probably just be single 634 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,120 and alone. Yeah, she had a dowry, but there 635 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,120 wouldn't be anybody to speak on her behalf to be like, hey, you 636 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:08,440 have to marry her. You took her dignity and honor 637 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,360 and whatnot, you know? That's so true, Caitlin. 638 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,000 That is very true. Yeah, maybe it was an aunt or 639 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,760 uncle or a stepmom or something. Some people do speculate if 640 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,160 Shakespeare's play A Midsummer Night's Dream could be loosely 641 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,160 based on his own life since it is one of his only plays that is 642 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,160 totally original, meaning it was not based on any existing 643 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,560 material or history. Of course, nothing can be 644 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,640 totally original, probably comes from somewhere, even if it's 645 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,640 just your own subconscious. But maybe that perhaps a young 646 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,800 teenage Shakespeare found himself entangled in a love 647 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,320 triangle. But we really have no evidence 648 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,520 of that. But yeah, six months after their 649 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,720 wedding, their first child, Susanna Shakespeare, was born. 650 00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:55,120 A nice alliteration name. And it's believed that maybe 651 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,840 during this time, William was working for his father's 652 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,720 business or as a teacher. While the couple lived with 653 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,320 William's parents on Henley St. in Stratford upon Ethan a year 654 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,240 later and became pregnant with twins Judith and Hamnet, who 655 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:16,080 were born in 19, not 19851585, that would have been a long 656 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,560 pregnancy. Hamnet is believed to be named 657 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,840 after a man named Hamnet Stradler, a Baker who was 658 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,760 friends with the couple, and Judith is named after his wife. 659 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,720 The next seven years or so are a bit of a mystery in 660 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:31,880 Shakespeare's life, often referred to as the Lost Years, 661 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,000 with there being little to no historical records from his life 662 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,280 during this time period, with the exception of a 1589 lawsuit 663 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,320 in which Shakespeare is named in legal documents with his parents 664 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,440 over a land dispute with a. Paper. 665 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,800 But do you know, like, what's up with him? 666 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,520 Is he writing plays yet? He could have been, or he could 667 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,680 have been writing poetry, but he's not in the theater scene 668 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,240 yet at this time. OK, there are some theories 669 00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:05,280 which lack any substantial evidence passed down throughout 670 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,800 years about why after this period. 671 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,520 Shakespeare then leaves his family and moves to London. 672 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,680 According to the original Shakespeare biographer, Nicholas 673 00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:20,200 Rowe, in the 18th century, Shakespeare fled to London to 674 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,680 escape prosecution for potentially deer poaching. 675 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,720 We don't know that. Deer, deer, deer. 676 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,640 Oh dear. Yeah. 677 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,600 Another theory is that he went off to London to mind the horses 678 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,240 for the theatre patrons to break into the theatre community. 679 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,360 Other people suggest that maybe he was a schoolmaster, but 680 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,200 again, we really don't know what he was up to. 681 00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:49,320 But we do know that he did move to London. 682 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,280 He left his wife and his kids London. 683 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,320 Crazy. Was about a two to three day 684 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,400 commute away from Stratford so he could go back and visit them 685 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,200 and I think he did every now and then around this time. 686 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,520 The theater was a major form of entertainment and business. 687 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:11,200 And it's believed that William set off to 1st become an actor. 688 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:17,040 Oh wow. So then in 1592, the first known 689 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,560 mention of Shakespeare being a part of the London theatre 690 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,160 community was after the production of his play Henry the 691 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,480 6th, when a fellow playwright, Robert Greene, criticized 692 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,680 Shakespeare as a playwright, calling him a shake scene, 693 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,400 saying that he was overstepping his bounds in the community due 694 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,600 to having no formal education in playwriting or acting. 695 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:43,240 And like I said, in general his work was very popular with 696 00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:46,080 audiences, but at this time was being criticized by his 697 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,200 contemporaries for not being very sophisticated. 698 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,840 It's so weird to think of a world where people don't think 699 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,920 Shakespeare is sophisticated. I'm sure there's some people 700 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,120 alive today who think that, but nowadays it's. 701 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,040 It's. It's hard for people to read. 702 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,760 It's like the most sophisticated thing ever. 703 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,280 You know, I know like even some stuff that I have to read in 704 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,800 this episode, I'm like, I don't know what this means. 705 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,760 I need to look up an analysis. I know this is bad, but when I 706 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,800 did take my Shakespeare class I did have a lot of the time to 707 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,760 have to do the translate version of it. 708 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,080 Because it is. It is hard to read Shakespeare. 709 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,800 I think everybody can agree with that. 710 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,480 But. It's like a lot of colloquial 711 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,400 things or like inside jokes that like we just wouldn't get to. 712 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:41,680 So you're kind of like, huh? Yeah. 713 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,640 What is that like? Why is that funny? 714 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,600 So it is kind of crazy to think that in the time people are like 715 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:53,080 this stupid, this is, this is toilet writing, this is like. 716 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,160 And now you can like Major. I know he's probably what did a 717 00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,960 commoner peasant write this? I know. 718 00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:02,880 So now it's just interesting, like I said, to think about how 719 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,000 things will age from our time period. 720 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,160 Like will people listen to this back and be like, why are they 721 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,800 talking so formally that? Scares me. 722 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,040 Not talking in acronyms or something. 723 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:16,280 Yeah. Like South Park be seen as high 724 00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,480 art. Yeah, so Well is spending a lot 725 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,720 of time in London rubbing elbows with the elite actors and 726 00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:26,960 writers, trying to make a name for himself. 727 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,880 But unfortunately, then the plague breaks out in London, 728 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,480 which happens a couple times throughout his life, and this 729 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,080 border forces all the theaters to close. 730 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,760 We even know what this is like in our time period. 731 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,800 It sucks. So you have to turn to other 732 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:46,320 means of making money. So in 1593 he published an 733 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,240 erotic poem, Venus and Adonis, which is believed to be his 734 00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:52,920 first published work. Oh, I've heard of that. 735 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,880 OK. An erotic poem. 736 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,800 Smut. What's the spice rating on it? 737 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,880 So he published that and basically I know he published 738 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:10,800 Venus and Adonis in 1593 and then The Rape of Looseries in 739 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,240 1594. Both were long form poems and 740 00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:16,960 they were rape. Yes, sorry. 741 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,080 That's what I heard. Yeah. 742 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:23,040 Sorry, sorry not to laugh but it was just dropped so casually. 743 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:25,360 Cut out the. Laughing. 744 00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:28,360 We're just uncommon, really. We're shocked, Yeah. 745 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,800 I know, unfortunately I haven't read it so I don't know. 746 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,600 Like in what context, sorry. Trigger warning, But it's worth 747 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:41,800 noting that these two poems were dedicated to a man named Henry 748 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,720 Risley, the third Earl of Southampton. 749 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,960 And the dedication reads, The love I dedicated to your 750 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,480 lordship is without end dot dot dot. 751 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:55,160 What I have done is yours. What I have done to do is yours 752 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,000 being part in all I have devoted yours. 753 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,760 So. Right away, this language makes 754 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,880 it seem like perhaps there is more than a friendship between 755 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:10,120 these two and perhaps maybe William Shakespeare was gay and 756 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,400 this has been debated throughout centuries since then. 757 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:18,440 The 2018 film All Is True, All Is True even actually depicted 758 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,360 Southampton and Shakespeare as being lovers because of this 759 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,520 dedication. But what do you think? 760 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,600 Well, it is also believed that during this time period, it 761 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,920 would have been socially expected for a dedication to 762 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,320 excessively praise nobles for political and financial reasons, 763 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,680 especially if they sponsored their work. 764 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,520 At this time, publishing was a very small scale industry and 765 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,120 written work wasn't really distributed the way it is now. 766 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,720 So to make money off of it, you had to also get that 767 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:50,440 sponsorship. Like you weren't just going to 768 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,240 make money off of writing a poem in itself. 769 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:58,560 So you had to kind of suck up to what whoever was paying for it 770 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,680 in order to maybe secure long term profit and like establish a 771 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,720 relationship with that person to keep making money from writing 772 00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:09,000 poetry. And especially with the plagues 773 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,640 going on, maybe Shakespeare was like just kind of really 774 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,880 boosting this guy's ego because it was a paycheck for him. 775 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,040 That was my first thought too. Like from what I know of 776 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:24,120 musicians and writers and such back then, it seems like nothing 777 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:28,480 really got made unless it was sponsored by somebody. 778 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:33,040 Even people like Beethoven and such would be sponsored by 779 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,760 someone. And and it also seems like these 780 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,600 Lords and aristocratic people would, you know, they're 781 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,440 basically would order their entertainment from someone. 782 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,840 Yeah. I want something to read like, 783 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,960 can you make something for me? Like, you know, so I mean, it's 784 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,520 possible, I guess, that he had a relationship with someone, but I 785 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,840 also thought it could be just that that's the guy that was 786 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,880 paying for it too. So yeah, they literally were 787 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,520 commissioning their own poetry for their personal pleasure. 788 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,280 Could be like, make me a TV show because I want to watch 789 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,280 something like. So I feel like whenever money is 790 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,360 involved, you kind of have to look at it differently and like 791 00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,160 question the motivation there. Maybe they did have a 792 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,400 relationship, but this is so early in Shakespeare's career 793 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,120 too, so I could see him wanting to kind of suck up to this guy 794 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,800 in order to bolster his reputation. 795 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,040 Yeah, it's something we'll never know, but there's definitely 796 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:31,400 multiple interpretations. I think both have ample evidence 797 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,800 to maybe suggest either because they both seem so right 798 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,600 depending on how you read it. But I think maybe you would 799 00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:43,080 learn more towards homosexuality in today's lens. 800 00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:48,080 But when you think of it in historical terms, the way he's 801 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:52,720 just praising a Lord or someone of noble birth definitely seems 802 00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:57,360 like the more realistic interpretation like nowadays. 803 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:03,800 I couldn't see a screenwriter who is heterosexual writing 804 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,160 something of this nature for like, the producer of their 805 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:12,200 film, you know, it definitely has a lot of gay vibes to it, 806 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:17,640 but that is our own lens. Yeah, 'cause today, like with 807 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,360 movies and stuff, with financers, they just add their 808 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,920 production company or their name to the head of it. 809 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,960 And this would be, I guess, like the same thing, like a 810 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:31,160 dedication. But because of how it is with 811 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,200 like nobles and it being really like a higher class, you would 812 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,760 have to like, suck up to them more so than just like a rich 813 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:43,560 person of today. The only other like homosexual 814 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,360 thing I've heard before of him is like Sauna 18 and like the 815 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,160 Shall I Compare thee to a summer's day is also dedicated 816 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,880 to a guy. But that could be like the same 817 00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:58,880 thing where somebody wanted a romance on it and he was like, 818 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,800 OK, I'll write it for you and then dedicate it to so and so. 819 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,800 Guess we'll never know, yeah? In 1594, Shakespeare became a 820 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:12,240 founding member of the Lord Chamberlain's Men, a company of 821 00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:15,280 actors referred to as a playing company back then. 822 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:19,240 This became a stable platform for him to showcase his work, 823 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,680 writing roughly one to two plays a year. 824 00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:27,480 In 1595 five he debuted some of his most notable works, Romeo 825 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,920 and Juliet and A Midsummer Night's Dream, which were quite 826 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,240 popular with audiences. Romeo and Juliet. 827 00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:37,400 Me too. That's like his I would say. 828 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,080 What would you guys say that's his most well known? 829 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:45,320 I think it's his most popular but so many people dog on it but 830 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,000 I love it. They're just being contrarian. 831 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,480 I mean literally. Romeo and Juliet is like 832 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:56,080 synonymous, like Romeo just is synonymous almost with like 833 00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,080 Prince Charming like it's just is romance. 834 00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,240 Yeah. And it's influenced so many 835 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:08,400 works that we know like what would be today without Room 836 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,680 Mutual yet. Wow, we're so lucky that they 837 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,880 survived. And I know the copies were made 838 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,800 and it still exists. Yeah. 839 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,040 At this time London had a population of around 200,000 840 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:25,400 people, of which 15,000 people would attend the local plays on 841 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,440 a weekly basis. So this was very popular and the 842 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,120 Lord Chamberlain's Men grew to become one of the most popular 843 00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:36,520 companies. In 1599 they began playing at 844 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,600 the outdoor Globe Theatre, which held 3000 people, sometimes 845 00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,920 playing six different plays a week, which I think got to be 846 00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,840 really hard on the actors. It was maybe not the best 847 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,680 working conditions or work life balance for them. 848 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,600 I can see. That at this time Anne remained 849 00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,800 in Stratford with the kids actually living with her in 850 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,280 laws, Shakespeare's parents, and it's believed that Shakespeare 851 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,760 would travel home. But we don't know if Anne ever 852 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,280 came to London to see any of the plays. 853 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,360 Hope so. I know we don't have any letters 854 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:16,080 between Anne and Shakespeare at this time, and many, many 855 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,240 scholars infer that she was probably illiterate, as most 856 00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:22,560 women were. If that's the if that's the 857 00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,680 case, William would have had to write letters to a neighbor or a 858 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:30,880 trusted friend, which would then be read to Anne, and perhaps 859 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,120 that person would then transcribe her response back to 860 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,760 Shakespeare. Yeah, because not only was she. 861 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,360 Sad. A woman, but she was She also 862 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,960 grew up as a farmer, and they definitely weren't receiving the 863 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,640 education they should have. Well, actually this writer named 864 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,440 Jermaine Greer who wrote a book called Shakespeare's Wife, she 865 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,440 kind of tries to give Anne a little bit more dignity. 866 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,680 And we don't know for sure, like I believe she probably couldn't 867 00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,440 read and write. But she claims that farmers at 868 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,120 this time period would have actually been of higher status 869 00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:07,840 than glove makers like Williams family. 870 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,240 Even though his family was pretty well off, they did 871 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,960 eventually have some financial hard times whereas farming was a 872 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:20,160 more like consistent income for people and plus like they own 873 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,920 land too so. I thought the dad was like the 874 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,240 mayor. Oh, Shakespeare's dad was, but 875 00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:28,240 then he had all those scandals and. 876 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,800 But he might have had to read and write. 877 00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,880 Oh yeah, yeah, he, he would have. 878 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:39,280 But basically just saying that like maybe Anne's family did 879 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,440 have the means. Like especially as a farmer, 880 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,560 there's like less to do in the winter. 881 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,120 Like maybe she could have at least learned how to read the 882 00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,280 Bible. Yeah. 883 00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,680 But we don't know for sure. It'd be sad if she couldn't. 884 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,920 Like, her husband is such a brilliant writer and I can't 885 00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,160 even imagine that his wife wouldn't be able to read. 886 00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:01,120 That's just, yeah, sad for me to consider. 887 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,680 Well, yeah, it is awesome. Author Jermaine Greer even 888 00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,280 speculated maybe William taught her to read and write a little 889 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,320 bit, but that's just. Yeah, maybe in those seven lost 890 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,840 years, yeah. Yeah, especially with the 891 00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,040 plague. You're inside all day, not doing 892 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,880 much. What else is there to do, you 893 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,080 know, I wonder. I'm just take care of the 894 00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,920 family. But I know you know. 895 00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,280 I'm trying to think back on those times when I used to be 896 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:33,920 illiterate like before I was 5. And like I do remember looking 897 00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,240 at words and thinking they just looked like squiggles on a piece 898 00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:40,760 of paper and like not being able to make out what they were at 899 00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,400 all. But I feel like, I mean I don't 900 00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,920 want to speak. I like even there's a lot of 901 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,080 adults who don't know how to read and write to this day. 902 00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:52,320 But I feel like you might pick up on a little bit overtime just 903 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,760 from seeing stuff, and someone might teach you how to at least 904 00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,960 write your name or something basically. 905 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,760 For sure, maybe not for a woman, but eventually. 906 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,880 I don't have any memories from being illiterate. 907 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,760 You don't? No, my first memory is reading 908 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:15,040 my friends name off of a wall so I was able to read and that's 909 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:20,960 the first memory I have and I, I cannot tell you how it was, do 910 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,800 not know well. I I do remember, I remember 911 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:28,240 pretending to write cursive in in like our playroom and I was 912 00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:32,480 just drawing like loops and loops and loops and loops, so. 913 00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:34,880 Yeah. Yeah I I'm the same as e-mail. 914 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,840 Like I remember thinking it was just squiggles as well. 915 00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,280 I remember like learning to be able to write my name, but it 916 00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,080 just, it was more just memorization. 917 00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,240 I didn't really know what the letters meant, but I feel like I 918 00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:50,280 could imagine, you know, she has like six siblings. 919 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:51,880 She probably we have some brothers. 920 00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,000 It's the winter. It's there's not much to do on 921 00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,240 the farm. Like maybe the brother is like, 922 00:53:57,240 --> 00:53:59,800 let me teach you how to write this word or something. 923 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,320 Like I don't know. Maybe she just knew minimal 924 00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,440 amount. Yeah, yeah, not enough to write 925 00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:08,040 a letter, but. Or who knows, maybe she was 926 00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,760 super illiterate and she wrote thousands of letters and just 927 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,360 none of them were preserved or something. 928 00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,680 And here we are. Hundreds of years later saying 929 00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,520 she was illiterate and then I had to read or write. 930 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,600 She actually wrote Shakespeare. Yeah. 931 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,480 I know there are some theories that Shakespeare didn't write 932 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,040 his own place, but I don't know if any of them helped hold any 933 00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,160 water. Well, I was going to bring this 934 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,240 up later, but I didn't know if Mel was going to. 935 00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,040 I feel like I've heard people over the years say like 936 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,720 Shakespeare maybe wasn't even a real person, but I feel like 937 00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:43,240 clearly from all this information you've shared, he 938 00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:47,760 was a real person. Yeah, we do know that for sure 939 00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,200 because there's at. Least A. 940 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,360 Baptism, he has a will, he has a grave. 941 00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,320 We know where he's buried. So he was a definitely a real 942 00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:56,960 person. But yeah, that would be so 943 00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,520 annoying if if you could read and write and then for years 944 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,560 people are debating whether you could or not. 945 00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,720 But they do say that women who could read and write during that 946 00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:08,200 time period most likely would have been able to write 947 00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,720 phonetically just based off sounding it out. 948 00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,400 So maybe they had a understanding of the alphabet, 949 00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,760 but you know, the English language is also really hard. 950 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,840 It doesn't always make sense. Yeah, in that time period they 951 00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,680 also had more letters than we. Do now, yeah, so. 952 00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:30,160 Many historians in Shakespeare, biographers for centuries after 953 00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:34,240 his death would often assume that Shakespeare had a disdain 954 00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:38,280 for his wife and was perhaps forced or manipulated into 955 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,720 matrimony because she was pregnant, which is why he left 956 00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:45,400 for London. This is just, again, like, kind 957 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,200 of filling in the gaps from the little bit of information. 958 00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,880 We know, like, we know she was pregnant when they got married. 959 00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,000 We know he went to London. And so then people are left to 960 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,680 like put that together and come up with the narrative, but we 961 00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,080 don't know if it's true. But in 2000, author Anthony 962 00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,600 Holden wrote in his William Shakespeare biography titled 963 00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:06,280 William Shakespeare, His Life and Work. 964 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:10,280 He said it is hard to believe that the ambitious young 965 00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,600 dreamers Shakespeare, already aware that there was a world 966 00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:17,680 elsewhere way beyond royal Workshire, was so enamored of a 967 00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,600 homely wench 8 years his senior as to want to marry her. 968 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,480 Or did the local farmer's 26 year old daughter, only a month 969 00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,840 after her father's death, out to catch herself a much younger 970 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:34,120 husband by seducing him? Homely, I know that she. 971 00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,400 Was homely. Yeah. 972 00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,520 So this is something that Jermaine Greer talks about in 973 00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,400 her book Shakespeare, His Wife, where she says that all of these 974 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:49,040 assumptions about Anne, really, they don't lack any evidence, 975 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,600 but they're rooted in misogyny. She talks about how commentators 976 00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,160 often describe her as being plain or homely because of the 977 00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,640 mere fact that she was older than her husband, which she says 978 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:04,080 people automatically make that assume that that makes her 979 00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:05,600 unattractive. Do we? 980 00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,320 Know what she looks like? Were there any photos or 981 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,560 pictures? There is a obviously. 982 00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,560 There is a painting of her, yeah, and I think she looks 983 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,600 fine. Yeah, I actually looked it up 984 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,880 earlier. I can't remember now, but yeah, 985 00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,400 she looked fine. In our perspective, I think 986 00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,280 everybody kind of looks weird from that time period because 987 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,440 they are posed very unnaturally and they have like the big, you 988 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,600 know, dramatic collars and everything and just, it's not 989 00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,360 like our fashion. But we don't know what she 990 00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:37,400 looked like in the flesh. I mean, compared to other 991 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:41,560 portraits of what they thought was really attractive during 992 00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,160 that time period, I think she looks in line with it. 993 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,240 Yeah, me too. I think she looks attractive 994 00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,480 for. That time period homely. 995 00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,920 Such a genius. I'm pretty sure in I'm not sure 996 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,080 about England probably, but I think in Ireland at least that 997 00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,200 they use the word homely to mean like homey. 998 00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,240 That'd be awful if someone called you that without you 999 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,800 knowing the context. You're so homely, but to us at 1000 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,560 least, it means. Kind of unattractive. 1001 00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:11,960 Attractive. Yeah. 1002 00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:13,600 Yeah, like. Unfortunate. 1003 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,320 Yeah. Maybe they just mean she's very 1004 00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,200 domestic. I don't know. 1005 00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:23,400 No, they meant, and this was a that was a 2000, a 2000 author 1006 00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:25,640 that wasn't from a long time ago. 1007 00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:29,840 This power dynamic, though of a mature older woman of higher 1008 00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,560 social status getting with a younger man is even something 1009 00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:37,920 that Shakespeare himself has romanticized in his plays on 1010 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,280 occasion. Author. 1011 00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,080 I've mentioned this author already. 1012 00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,480 Greer notes that in the play of the two gentlemen in Verona, the 1013 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,280 character of Sylvia is betrayed as being wiser and more mature 1014 00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,280 than the male character Valentine, as she teaches them 1015 00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,000 how to woo her. Which is also repeated in the 1016 00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,520 play As You Like It, with the character Rosalyn teaching the 1017 00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,920 boy Orlando how to love her. And meanwhile, in 12th Night, 1018 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,520 the young character of Cesario is sent to seduce a virtuous, 1019 00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:11,120 virtuous maid, the daughter of a count that died some 12 months 1020 00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:12,840 earlier. Interesting. 1021 00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:16,680 So all of that is to say is we have reason to believe that 1022 00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,960 Shakespeare wouldn't have been totally disgusted by this age 1023 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:25,160 dynamic or resent getting and pregnant or think that he was 1024 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:28,120 manipulated. I mean, like, obviously he had 1025 00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:32,320 to be like kind of into her to, you know, knock her up like. 1026 00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,400 Sleep with her. Yeah, it takes 2 to tango. 1027 00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:40,240 I just, I just think that like throughout all of history, there 1028 00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:44,440 have been guys who have been into older women that that's 1029 00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:48,040 just, yeah. Or they romanticize it like they 1030 00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,800 want to be with a more mature lady because she might be more 1031 00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:55,960 experienced and might be able to like show him the ropes. 1032 00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,440 Or I don't know, maybe she's just hot so. 1033 00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:03,800 I mean, Aaron Taylor Johnson, we've covered him and that was 1034 01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,560 his thing, you know? It's crazy that she's 26 and 1035 01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,880 she's being called this like old wench I know. 1036 01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:16,160 She's a cougar at 26. I know this author actually also 1037 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:20,280 like really did her research and figured out that the average age 1038 01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,160 for women getting married at this time is actually older than 1039 01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,760 we think. Like we think of it as being in 1040 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,560 the early teens sometimes in this time period. 1041 01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:32,360 And I think as time passed, it actually did become younger. 1042 01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,920 But during this time period in this specific town, it was 1043 01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:42,520 closer for women to be like 24, even maybe sometimes 26. 1044 01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:46,720 Like it wasn't uncommon for women to get married at 26, but 1045 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:50,440 it was uncommon for men to be 18 getting married. 1046 01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:54,600 Yeah. So then it definitely seems like 1047 01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:59,920 it was potentially the force of them having a baby on the way 1048 01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:01,760 then? Yes I think. 1049 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:06,640 I think him getting her pregnant did probably force them into 1050 01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,880 marriage. Wedlock Wednesday? 1051 01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:18,360 Yeah, be wedlock Wednesday. But on a Saturn note, in 1599 1052 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,520 their 11 year old son Hamnet died under unknown 1053 01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,560 circumstances. This was very common at this 1054 01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,000 time in England. One out of three children were 1055 01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,760 not expected to survive past 10 years old. 1056 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,320 Crazy. That's insane. 1057 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,760 It's a lot of people. So Shakespeare never outwardly 1058 01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,120 wrote about any events or people in his life, as I talked, as I 1059 01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,840 mentioned earlier. But of course historians and 1060 01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:47,480 scholars have tried to find connection, connections from the 1061 01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:52,600 loss of his son to his work. The most obvious would be his 1062 01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:57,840 play Hamlet as it sounds similar to the name Hamnet and there are 1063 01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:02,040 themes of grief and loss in the play and Shakespeare also began 1064 01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,400 writing the play the year that Hamnet died. 1065 01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,280 Yeah, definitely. Connection probably. 1066 01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:11,280 Yeah, there's a lot about, like, father and son and that play. 1067 01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:15,360 Writer Richard Wheeler also speculates that 12th Night might 1068 01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,320 be inspired by Hamnet, and that it's about a girl who believes 1069 01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,600 that her twin brother has died, only discovered that he hasn't. 1070 01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:25,760 And we know that Hamnet was a twin with a twin sister. 1071 01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,920 Sad. I know, and I know it's really 1072 01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:34,160 sad because there's a good chance that maybe Shakespeare 1073 01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,880 wasn't even home when his son died and that maybe Anne had to 1074 01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:41,160 find someone to write a letter to him and then he had to 1075 01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:44,680 travel. The two very sad. 1076 01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,880 And it's sad how common it was, too. 1077 01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:53,120 Shakespeare in the 16 Hundreds is still working as an actor and 1078 01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,640 a playwright in London, but throughout that whole decade, 1079 01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,920 the theater is repeatedly closing due to the bubonic 1080 01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:02,680 plague outbreak. Terrible. 1081 01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:08,560 I was going to say I feel like it's weird belief that Hamnett 1082 01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:12,160 died of the plague, but I don't think that's even confirmed. 1083 01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:16,440 I think it's just some weird myth that's been perpetrated and 1084 01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,160 people believe, but maybe it's not even accurate. 1085 01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:22,880 Yeah. I mean, I just think that kids 1086 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,840 died pretty often. I mean, even when you look back 1087 01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:29,000 on your own childhood and you think of like all the times that 1088 01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:34,400 you might have had strep throat or the chicken pox or whatnot, 1089 01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:38,560 like without modern medicine, a lot of those illnesses can be 1090 01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:42,320 pretty fatal. Yeah, I just read a book about 1091 01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:45,760 the plague, actually. I just really. 1092 01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:49,680 Yeah, about the plague. And the second wind of it was 1093 01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,600 called the children's plague because apparently it killed 1094 01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,720 more children than it killed adults. 1095 01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,000 So. So sad. 1096 01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,400 You know, yeah. And plus, like, at that age in 1097 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,880 your life, you're more vulnerable, too. 1098 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:09,160 So with theater being kind of unstable in 16 O 9, Shakespeare 1099 01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:14,720 at 45 published a collection of sonnets called the 154 Sonnets. 1100 01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:22,080 And Sonnet 145 is one of the only bodies of work by him that 1101 01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,720 people think references his wife Anne. 1102 01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,120 So I'm going to read it to you. Kind of crazy. 1103 01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:28,320 I know. Seriously. 1104 01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:30,760 What are all the other sonnets about? 1105 01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:34,440 I know I'll get to that, I'll get to that in a minute. 1106 01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:38,040 But this is OK. This is Sonnet 145. 1107 01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:44,000 So those lips that loves own handed make breath forth the 1108 01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:48,920 sound that said, I hate to me that languished for her sake. 1109 01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:53,080 But when she saw my woeful state, straight in her heart did 1110 01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:57,720 mercy come chiding that tongue that ever sweet was used in 1111 01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:02,800 giving gentle doom, And taught it thus a new to greet I hate 1112 01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:08,200 she altered with an end that followed it, as gentle day doth 1113 01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:12,440 follow night, who like a fiend from heaven to hell is flown 1114 01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,920 away. I hate from hate away she threw 1115 01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:21,080 and saved my life saying not you so beautiful. 1116 01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:22,760 Basically I don't know what it means. 1117 01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:26,200 I know. So the poem is basically saying, 1118 01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:30,120 like, he's looking at this lovely woman and she says, I 1119 01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:34,200 hate you or I hate something, and he's sad because he thinks 1120 01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:38,280 that she hates him. And she's like, oh, no, I was 1121 01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,280 just teasing you. I don't hate you. 1122 01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,400 It's like a very long way to say that. 1123 01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:47,800 He's, like, hanging on every word she says and kind of 1124 01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:50,880 yearning for her. And then when she realizes it, 1125 01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,800 she lets her guard down and says OK, like I like you too. 1126 01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,080 People think that the phrase hate away in that second to last 1127 01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:03,000 line, apparently in Elizabethan English, would have sounded like 1128 01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:07,600 Hathaway, and that the phrase and saved my life perhaps would 1129 01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:09,920 have sounded like Anne saved my life. 1130 01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:14,120 Okay. Which if it is about her, it 1131 01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,720 does further challenge this narrative that Anne might have 1132 01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:20,800 seduced him because it sounds like he's, you know, pining for 1133 01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,280 this person. And then when she realizes it, 1134 01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,560 she's like, okay, I'll give in to you. 1135 01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:31,640 Yeah, and maybe he thinks she hates him for being away so 1136 01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:36,480 often and just has fears about that. 1137 01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,120 Yeah. But also are these sonnets from 1138 01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:41,440 like his whole life? Like is it a collection? 1139 01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:42,960 It is a. Collection of things he's 1140 01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:44,760 written over a long time. Yes. 1141 01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:48,560 And so this particular sonnet is very different from all the 1142 01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:50,840 other sonnets that are in this collection. 1143 01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:55,600 It has a much simpler syntax and I think the lines are a little 1144 01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:58,320 bit longer. So people think that maybe 1145 01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,920 William had wrote it earlier in his life when he was younger. 1146 01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:07,560 So it doesn't really change. I I guess people might think 1147 01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:11,120 that maybe he loved her at a time but then moved to London 1148 01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:16,600 once his feelings faded for her. I mean, and it is, I do think it 1149 01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:19,560 could be likely that they didn't really have a romantic 1150 01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:22,680 relationship because he did choose to spend most of his time 1151 01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,840 away from her. So they didn't really spend that 1152 01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:29,040 much time together. Sad I know, but OK. 1153 01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:34,280 So more on the sonnets. About 60% of the sonnets are 1154 01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:38,840 addressed to and these are the like the 1st 2/3 of the sonnets 1155 01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:46,480 are addressed to a male figure labeled the Fair youth who. 1156 01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:49,560 These poems express a deep love for the Fair Youth and 1157 01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:53,040 admiration and sometimes frustration, and it's debated 1158 01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:56,240 whether this is a romantic or platonic love. 1159 01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:01,160 For example, in sonnet 17, the speaker urges the Fair Youth to 1160 01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:04,640 settle down and get married and have kids in a way that sort of 1161 01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,800 feels like a father advising his son, suggesting maybe a mentor 1162 01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:13,040 or mentee relationship. However, sonnet 18 definitely 1163 01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:16,800 seems more romantic. He says shall this is the famous 1164 01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:20,319 poem like we all know this one. Shall I compare thee to a 1165 01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:23,120 summer's day? Thou aren't more lovely and more 1166 01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:26,000 temperate. Rough winds do shake the darling 1167 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:30,319 buds of May, and summer's lease hath all too short a date. 1168 01:08:30,359 --> 01:08:33,600 And then it goes on to say that basically, like you are more 1169 01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:37,279 eternal than a summer's day because summer will pass, but 1170 01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:39,479 you will live on forever in this poem. 1171 01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:44,600 So who is this fair youth? And could it potentially mean 1172 01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:49,279 that William had a relationship with a younger guy? 1173 01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:54,479 The manuscript of the sonnets includes a dedication to a Mr. 1174 01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,560 WH who many think is interchangeable with the Fair 1175 01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:59,640 Youth. There are several theories about 1176 01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:02,840 who his identity is, including the possibility that the 1177 01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,960 initials could just be a red herring meant to create 1178 01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,160 speculation, but I'm going to walk through some of the 1179 01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,600 theories for you guys. Yeah. 1180 01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:14,720 One is potentially Shakespeare's nephew, which would support the 1181 01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:18,040 theory that this is just a platonic relationship. 1182 01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:22,960 I know his name was William Hart and he was the son of 1183 01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:27,319 Shakespeare's sister Joan. He was born four years after 1184 01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:31,160 Hamnett died and would have been William's only male heir at this 1185 01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:32,840 time. So it's theorized that perhaps 1186 01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:36,960 he wrote those sonnets to offer father son wisdom or advice to 1187 01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,520 the his nephew that he couldn't pass on to his son. 1188 01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,840 But there is evidence that Shakespeare did begin writing 1189 01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:46,080 these sonnets much earlier in his life, before his nephew was 1190 01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:48,920 even born. Like Sonnet 1:45 for example. 1191 01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:54,200 So it probably, I don't know. He also might not have been that 1192 01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:58,360 close to his nephew considering he lived in London, his nephew 1193 01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:03,200 lived in Stratford. Like maybe he had a fondness for 1194 01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:07,240 him and a love for him. But is it enough to write 126 on 1195 01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:08,920 it? We don't know. 1196 01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:11,840 Oh my gosh. Yeah. 1197 01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:17,240 Another theory is the gentleman that we mentioned earlier, Henry 1198 01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,800 Riseley, the third Earl of Southampton. 1199 01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:23,320 His initials are HW, so they are reversed. 1200 01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:27,360 And the real only you know theory for that is because of 1201 01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:32,760 the very excessively loving dedication earlier in 1202 01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:38,560 Shakespeare's career, but also actually the Earl of 1203 01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,040 Southampton. He seems to have very 1204 01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:45,200 androgynous, ladylike features based off of paintings that we 1205 01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:49,760 have of him, and that might connect to a description of the 1206 01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:53,960 Fair Youth and Sonnet 20 which describes him as having a 1207 01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:57,880 woman's face with nature's own hand painted. 1208 01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:01,560 Hast thou the master Mistress of my passion? 1209 01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:04,560 Definitely could be plausible. Yeah. 1210 01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,960 Kind of legitimate. It does one thing I was thinking 1211 01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,240 about that could be an interpretation, which probably 1212 01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:14,840 isn't right considering the one that you just said sounds way 1213 01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:17,280 more legitimate. But what if he was just like 1214 01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:21,480 writing to himself and referred to William H is like William 1215 01:11:21,480 --> 01:11:25,480 Hathaway or something? I don't know, something cheeky 1216 01:11:25,480 --> 01:11:26,960 like that. That would be. 1217 01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,600 Very. But it's definitely, Yeah. 1218 01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,240 He's like, I'm a fair youth. Like I'm writing to my younger 1219 01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,720 self or something. Like get married, have kids, I 1220 01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:36,720 don't know. Yeah. 1221 01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:44,120 Well, that actually connects to about Sonnet 20, that sonnet 1222 01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:49,200 says a man in Hugh all Hughes in his control. 1223 01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:52,200 And the word Hughes is italicized. 1224 01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:57,800 And in combination with that and the fact that the word will 1225 01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:01,480 throughout the sonnets is often capitalized to make it look like 1226 01:12:01,480 --> 01:12:06,480 it's a play on the name. Will LED 18th century writer 1227 01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:11,440 Thomas Tyrwitt to theorize that perhaps there could have been a 1228 01:12:11,440 --> 01:12:16,800 man named Will Hughes or Willie Hughes, who he guesses maybe was 1229 01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:20,280 a musician at this time period because there are themes of 1230 01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:23,120 music throughout the sonnets. Now, this is a huge stretch. 1231 01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,840 Like, this is like where you are kind of pulling at straws and 1232 01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:27,840 like, making our own fan theories. 1233 01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:33,600 And also you had to keep in mind that William's name is Will. 1234 01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,760 So like, if he plays on the name Will, that doesn't necessarily 1235 01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,160 mean that there is a will because that's his name. 1236 01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:42,400 There's no evidence to support this theory, of course. 1237 01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:47,200 Apparently there was a guy named Will Hughes who was a performer 1238 01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:50,000 who performed for the Earl of Essex at this time period. 1239 01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:53,320 But we don't know if he would have known William Shakespeare 1240 01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:55,520 at all. But this? 1241 01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:59,000 Coincidence. I know, but this theory later 1242 01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:03,440 inspired Oscar Wilde to write in 1889 a short story called The 1243 01:13:03,440 --> 01:13:08,360 Portrait of Mr. WH, in which he depicts a Willie Hughes as being 1244 01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:12,160 a seductive actor who works in Shakespeare's plays. 1245 01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:15,080 Oh my gosh, I didn't know that. Me neither. 1246 01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:19,240 Oh my gosh, I actually just read The Picture of Dorian Gray by 1247 01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:23,120 Oscar Wilde. I know I kind of like the idea 1248 01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:27,200 that like Oscar Wilde was intrigued by Shakespeare's love 1249 01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,680 life and like, it was he gang, you know? 1250 01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:32,800 Well, in Who's writing Shakespeare fan pics? 1251 01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,200 Literally. In Oscar Wilde, Well, not in 1252 01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:40,320 Oscar Wilde. In Dorian Gray, he falls in love 1253 01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:44,880 with an actress who performed Shakespeare. 1254 01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:48,760 Yeah, so he must have been a big fan. 1255 01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:55,000 Yeah, But about Sonnet 20, just, you know, going off of this, I 1256 01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,920 came across a paper titled Was Shakespeare Gay? 1257 01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:02,000 Sonnet 20 in the Politics of Pedagogy by the Professor 1258 01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:06,120 Charles Casey, and he argues that at this time gay identity 1259 01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:09,360 did not exist in society. That's not to say that people 1260 01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:12,600 weren't gay, but there wasn't language for it. 1261 01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:16,800 It wasn't something that there wasn't a culture of it. 1262 01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:20,480 Basically the only like word that was used to describe it 1263 01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:24,080 would have been sodomy. But even that kind of 1264 01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:28,800 encompassed more than just a homosexual sex. 1265 01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:33,440 But sodomy laws at this time, we're not often enforced, 1266 01:14:33,440 --> 01:14:37,320 leaving us to question whether people just didn't really engage 1267 01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:42,000 in homosexual relationships or behavior at all or if it was 1268 01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:45,840 just actually more socially acceptable than we even realized 1269 01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,360 about that time period. So it's just kind of interesting 1270 01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:50,640 that, like, we really don't know what. 1271 01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:52,880 Yeah, I don't know what it was like back then. 1272 01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:59,120 Like from what I've heard out to the lab before, a lot of like, 1273 01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:02,600 psychology was invented. Basically. 1274 01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:06,200 I feel like people saw sodomy is more like just something 1275 01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:09,240 somebody did, but it wasn't. Yeah, people didn't really. 1276 01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:12,600 I'm sure some people did maybe, but like, it wasn't really 1277 01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,720 accepted idea that it was like who people were or like that it 1278 01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:19,760 was out of their control or that their self. 1279 01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:23,480 It was more like you're just choosing to do this disgraceful 1280 01:15:23,480 --> 01:15:25,760 act or something and like cut it out. 1281 01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:29,400 But yeah, it was until later people started saying like this 1282 01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,000 is just like who somebody is and they can't control it. 1283 01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:35,440 Like they're they are just attracted to same sex or 1284 01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:36,200 whatever. So. 1285 01:15:36,360 --> 01:15:40,880 It could also be a case like I doubt no gay people lived during 1286 01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:44,560 that time period or act on it or didn't act on it, no. 1287 01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:48,520 So it could also be like there was a culture of it, it just 1288 01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:51,080 wasn't preserved to this day. Exactly. 1289 01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:53,360 Record of it. It's impossible for for us to 1290 01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:58,240 know what gay people at that time period, like what they 1291 01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:01,280 identified as or what they thought of themselves as or 1292 01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,680 like, even if they lacked the knowledge to say like I'm gay or 1293 01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:08,040 I'm attracted to men or the language to say that like we 1294 01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:11,640 can't step into their minds and like know for sure how much they 1295 01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,720 like understood about their own feelings and attraction for 1296 01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:15,760 people. So. 1297 01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:20,600 A lot of gay men at the time also and gay women went into the 1298 01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:25,440 church, so then they're also maybe was less of a culture 1299 01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:28,040 because of that. Yeah, we really have. 1300 01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:29,960 No way. Maybe he wrote them. 1301 01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:34,400 Maybe he wrote them for multiple lovely young men. 1302 01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:39,000 Yeah, they're like all the theories are convincing. 1303 01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,360 I. Know seriously? 1304 01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:44,840 Yeah. Another theory was William 1305 01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:47,360 Herbert, the third Earl of Pembroke. 1306 01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:51,200 He also had the same initials. He was also 16 years younger 1307 01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:53,920 than Shakespeare. He also rejected marriage 1308 01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:58,120 proposals up until he was 24, which 24 seems pretty young, but 1309 01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:02,200 that kind of fits with, you know, the poem that he had. 1310 01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:05,880 William wrote a sonnet, like advising the fair youth to get 1311 01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:12,520 married and have kids and settle down, so maybe that was directed 1312 01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:16,400 to him. And he also, yeah, he also had 1313 01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:20,080 an affair with a gentlewoman named Mary Faton, or Feet, in 1314 01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:24,240 who some believe is the inspiration for another subject 1315 01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:28,680 in the sonnets referred to as the Dark Lady, which William 1316 01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:32,080 writes about in sonnets 127 through 152. 1317 01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:33,400 So. Who had the affair? 1318 01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:35,200 Shakespeare or that William Hubert. 1319 01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:39,120 William. Herbert OK, I was like, we know 1320 01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:42,120 nothing about Shaker Shakespeare, but we do know he 1321 01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:44,760 had an affair with no like, whoa, what? 1322 01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:49,240 OK. So the dark lady, like I said, 1323 01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:53,920 is a subject of kind of like the second-half or or the last third 1324 01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:57,080 of the sonnets. She's described as having dark 1325 01:17:57,080 --> 01:18:00,800 features and unconventional beauty with whom the speaker has 1326 01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:04,600 a passionate but complex and somewhat toxic relationship 1327 01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,680 with. In sonnets 133 and 152, she's 1328 01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:12,600 depicted as being unfaithful, and in sonnet 147, he describes 1329 01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:16,240 her as being tormented by a love, by the love he has for 1330 01:18:16,240 --> 01:18:20,320 her, comparing it to a disease. The way that he describes this 1331 01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:25,760 love is a lot more dramatic than how love is described in sonnet 1332 01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:29,000 145, the one that we believe could be about Anne. 1333 01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:32,240 Which is another reason why people think that that sonnet in 1334 01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:36,320 particular is like an anomaly and that it was written much 1335 01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,840 earlier. Because it's really not, doesn't 1336 01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:43,040 fit with all those other ones, which are very like intense. 1337 01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:46,560 There's a lot of theories about who the Dark Lady is, and just 1338 01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:48,800 for time's sake, I'm not going to go into all of them. 1339 01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:50,560 That could be an episode in itself. 1340 01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:56,320 But it does lead us to question, you know, whether Shakespeare 1341 01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,720 was faithful in his relationship. 1342 01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:04,040 Does seem like there is, you know, some suggestion that maybe 1343 01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:07,600 he did have relationships with other people besides Anne. 1344 01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:12,000 But also, some could also argue that these aren't even real 1345 01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:15,760 people he's writing about in his poems, and perhaps they are just 1346 01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:20,400 figment of his imagination. I don't know what to think. 1347 01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:24,320 I know. So in terms of him being 1348 01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:29,640 unfaithful, the only kind of blind item about Shakespeare at 1349 01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:34,840 this time period is a diary entry kept by a man named John 1350 01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:38,120 Manningham, which references Shakespeare in a way that 1351 01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:40,560 suggests maybe he was a bit of a ladies man. 1352 01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:45,440 He writes about someone who he knows, basically a friend or his 1353 01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:47,400 roommate. I don't know, I forget who it 1354 01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:51,320 is, but this guy who he knows was at a performance of Richard 1355 01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:55,760 the 3rd and he overhears an actor named Richard Burbidge 1356 01:19:56,120 --> 01:20:00,360 planning a romantic rendezvous after the show with a fan, so a 1357 01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:03,000 woman. However, when Richard went to 1358 01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:05,760 meet the woman, she was apparently already with 1359 01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:10,960 Shakespeare, who later. Which is crazy because this like 1360 01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:14,360 diary entry is from Shakespeare's lifetime, like it 1361 01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:19,640 was written when he was alive. And Shakespeare then sent a 1362 01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:22,200 message to this guy named Richard, which I don't know if 1363 01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:26,440 that was like a written message or a verbal one, but he said 1364 01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:29,760 William the Conqueror was before Richard the Third. 1365 01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:33,040 Basically like playing on their names, Like, oh, like, you 1366 01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:35,080 snooze, you lose. Like William comes first. 1367 01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:38,440 Oh my God. I can't believe it. 1368 01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:45,480 Yeah, The only thing like it is someone wrote in their diary an 1369 01:20:45,480 --> 01:20:47,800 account that their friend told him. 1370 01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:51,440 So it's like it is very gossipy. It's kind of cute that he like 1371 01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:56,360 wrote this down and his but he heard it. 1372 01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:01,800 Like why would that guy feel the need to lie or make the story 1373 01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:04,360 up, you know? He could have exaggerated I 1374 01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:06,440 guess, but. Yeah, maybe he made-up the 1375 01:21:06,440 --> 01:21:08,800 William the Conqueror thing, but. 1376 01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:13,320 Yeah, but also, like, we don't know, like, that could have just 1377 01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:16,320 been a cheeky thing. Like, what if William was just, 1378 01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,880 like, talking to the lady after the play? 1379 01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:21,200 Like, we don't know that he like, went to bed with her, you 1380 01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:24,520 know? Went to bed. 1381 01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:28,200 You went to bed with her. Love that thing. 1382 01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:30,080 We. Should make that more of a 1383 01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:36,320 saying on significant level back from like When Harry Met Sally. 1384 01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:40,080 Take a drink every time someone goes to bed with another. 1385 01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:45,240 Person, but OK. Yeah, in 16, either in 1613 or 1386 01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:48,880 1614, Shakespeare retired and moved back to Stratford full 1387 01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,400 time. So he moved back with Anne and 1388 01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:54,800 his kids. He would return to visit London 1389 01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,680 during this time, and he did collaborate with the playwright 1390 01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:59,520 John Fletcher to write through place. 1391 01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:04,000 But he retired completely after a misfired cannon during a 1392 01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:07,160 rendition of Henry the Eighth caused the Globe Theatre to burn 1393 01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:08,920 down. Nobody was hurt and it was 1394 01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:10,960 rebuilt the following year. But that does a. 1395 01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:15,280 Good time to retire when the place you're working at burns 1396 01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:18,400 down. Shakespeare is like in his late 1397 01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:21,880 40s at that time period, actually early 50s. 1398 01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:26,680 And I do wonder if maybe his health was in decline, causing 1399 01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:33,440 him to retire because he then died in 1616 on April 23rd at 52 1400 01:22:33,440 --> 01:22:37,280 years old, potentially on his birthday or his baptism day. 1401 01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:41,160 Wow, what? The same year he retired. 1402 01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,400 Two years after retiring. 02 years. 1403 01:22:44,440 --> 01:22:46,440 OK wow. How long? 1404 01:22:46,440 --> 01:22:48,440 How old were? Years in retirement. 1405 01:22:48,440 --> 01:22:51,680 How old were his kids by the time he died? 1406 01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,680 Oh, I might need to do some math. 1407 01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:59,400 So this is 1616 daughter Susanna. 1408 01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:03,960 She's like in her 30s probably. Yeah, she's 33 and the other 1409 01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:06,280 daughter would have been like 30 or 31. 1410 01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:09,240 I wonder if they really knew their dad much. 1411 01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:14,280 I think they kind of did because his younger daughter Judith 1412 01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:17,440 ended up going on to have a son who she named Shakespeare. 1413 01:23:17,480 --> 01:23:20,000 I mean, I guess that was her last name, but I thought maybe 1414 01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:21,560 that was an homage to her father. 1415 01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:24,760 So was the baby's name Shakespeare? 1416 01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:27,200 And then whatever her new. Shakespeare. 1417 01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:28,160 Last. Name was. 1418 01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:31,240 Unfortunately, he died at seven months old. 1419 01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:35,880 Oh, no, actually he died at six months old, but he was born at 1420 01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:38,200 seven months after Shakespeare died. 1421 01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:41,800 So I thought that was probably like in tribute to your dad. 1422 01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:46,080 OK, so maybe either just from the times he went to Stratford 1423 01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:49,200 or maybe they exchanged letters and maybe they came to London. 1424 01:23:49,200 --> 01:23:52,920 Yeah, we, yeah. We don't know how Shakespeare 1425 01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:56,840 died, but a month prior he had signed his will, which would 1426 01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:59,000 make you believe that maybe he knew he was sick. 1427 01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:02,360 Although in his will he did right that he was in perfect 1428 01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:04,200 health, maybe in denial a little bit. 1429 01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:08,120 He had left the majority of his estate to his oldest daughter 1430 01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:11,240 Susanna, under the stipulation that it would be passed down to 1431 01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:14,280 her first born son. However, she only had one 1432 01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:17,120 daughter named Elizabeth who never got married or had 1433 01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:20,080 children. And meanwhile Shakespeare's 1434 01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:23,240 other daughter Judith married and had three sons. 1435 01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:26,280 One was named Shakespeare, who unfortunately died at six months 1436 01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:30,080 old, and she also had two more sons named Richard and Thomas, 1437 01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:33,880 but they but they died at ages 19 and 20, a month apart from 1438 01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:39,760 each other in 1639, meaning that Elizabeth Williams granddaughter 1439 01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:42,760 was the last living descendant of Shakespeare and Anne. 1440 01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:46,240 So their lineage did not continue after Elizabeth OH. 1441 01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:48,440 My God. Really. 1442 01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:52,400 So there's like no living descendants of Shakespeare. 1443 01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:55,360 No, none at all. Wow. 1444 01:24:56,760 --> 01:25:00,120 But there's like, people who are obviously related in some way, 1445 01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:06,920 like through his siblings or yeah, apparently Meghan Markle 1446 01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,960 is distantly related, related to William Shakespeare. 1447 01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:13,320 Wow. Very distantly, obviously. 1448 01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:16,560 That's crazy. Wow. 1449 01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:20,520 Like. 18th grand uncle or something? 1450 01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:26,960 But so his will is another reason why people really debate 1451 01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:30,880 how close him and Anne were as a married couple. 1452 01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:36,560 In his will, he left, like I said, the majority of his estate 1453 01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:41,200 to his daughter Susanna. And then he also left Anne. 1454 01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:45,600 He said that she was entitled to the second best bed with the 1455 01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:47,720 furniture. So people are like, yeah, 1456 01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:48,760 that's. It. 1457 01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:51,520 So we're like, what? The second best bed? 1458 01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,480 What does that mean? I don't think she just got that. 1459 01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:59,120 Apparently, and this is debated, a wife at that time by law was 1460 01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:03,400 automatically entitled to 1/3 of the inheritance or the estate. 1461 01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:07,440 So she would have also gotten 1/3 of everything he left 1462 01:26:07,440 --> 01:26:09,560 behind. But it is worth noting that he 1463 01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:12,040 said the second best state like the second best bet. 1464 01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:15,960 Like what does that even mean? To this day no one has any clue. 1465 01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:19,000 Some people think it's a Dis. Like I would definitely think 1466 01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:23,920 it's a Dis like second best for real and that maybe for real he 1467 01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:27,960 meant it to symbolize that Anne was second best to a different 1468 01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:31,440 lover. Although he didn't he didn't 1469 01:26:31,440 --> 01:26:34,560 specifically say that anyone else was entitled to the first 1470 01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:37,600 best bed. So other people argue that at 1471 01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:41,040 this time period, the second best bed would have been the 1472 01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:44,280 marriage bed as the first bed would have been reserved for 1473 01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:47,000 guests thinking that it's actually maybe a sweet and 1474 01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:52,560 significant declaration of love. Could maybe be also the National 1475 01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:55,720 Archives stays that beds and other pieces of household 1476 01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:59,440 furniture is for often the sole bequest to a wife and that 1477 01:26:59,440 --> 01:27:03,360 customarily the children would receive the best items and the 1478 01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:06,720 widow the second best. I don't know how we know that. 1479 01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:13,640 And I've also read that at this time period, furniture was a 1480 01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:16,000 significant asset. Like it wasn't just something 1481 01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:23,000 that you picked up at, you know, IKEA, like a bed is almost like 1482 01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:25,880 a car or something. Like it's a pretty big thing to 1483 01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:28,320 leave somebody. So even if it's the second best, 1484 01:27:28,480 --> 01:27:31,080 like in the furniture, like that's a, that's a significant 1485 01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:33,320 thing to give someone in your will. 1486 01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:36,400 It's not nothing. Yeah, I mean, as long as the 1487 01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:38,760 first best went to their kids. Yeah. 1488 01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:41,920 It's not too crazy. I'm sure it's the best for their 1489 01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:44,520 kids too. She probably would have just 1490 01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:47,160 continued living at the house anyway, right? 1491 01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:54,080 Yeah, so like if she did already sleep in the first best bed, 1492 01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:58,480 that would be so shitty if he kicked her out of her her bed. 1493 01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:03,080 So it's interesting to specify like, oh, I'm leaving you this 1494 01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:07,080 bed when presumably she probably would have continued sleeping in 1495 01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:09,800 their bed anyway. Yeah, I don't know. 1496 01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:13,360 I mean, you could debate it for ever. 1497 01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:15,560 Like we're never going to know what that meant. 1498 01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:19,320 I wish she was more clear. Is time travel ever going to 1499 01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:24,120 become? No, that'd be my first question 1500 01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:29,040 or first thing I do they. Say when time travel is 1501 01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:33,080 invented, we will only be able to travel to time periods in 1502 01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:36,800 which time travel already existed, which would explain why 1503 01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:41,120 no one from the future has showed up so far to tell us that 1504 01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:43,880 time travel exists. Dang it. 1505 01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:49,720 But anyway. So on his grave was an epitaph 1506 01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:54,400 to curse anyone who might consider digging up his body or 1507 01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:57,240 removing his remains from the sight. 1508 01:28:57,560 --> 01:29:02,320 He said, Good dear friend, for Jesus sake, for bear to dig the 1509 01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:05,840 dust enclosed here. Blessed be the man that spares 1510 01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:08,800 these stones, and cursed be that. 1511 01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:12,400 Cursed be he that moves my bones. 1512 01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:17,040 I want to put that on my graves. But people, pretty cool people 1513 01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:21,320 speculate if perhaps this is a sign that he didn't want to be 1514 01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:26,040 laid to rest with his wife Anne, by warning folks to not dig him 1515 01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:27,320 up. Never. 1516 01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:30,520 Which would mean that they can't be buried together like. 1517 01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:35,400 It wasn't like a family plot. Like usually a husband and wife 1518 01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:39,200 might share the same grave in the burial site, but he's saying 1519 01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:41,880 don't ever dig me back up. I want to be down here alone 1520 01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:43,720 basically. So that wait. 1521 01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:48,320 So like she wasn't then buried next to him or? 1522 01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:52,520 She was buried next to him, but not in the same plot, and she 1523 01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:55,560 had her own grave. Interesting. 1524 01:29:57,120 --> 01:30:00,520 It's funny how over and over again people are speculating 1525 01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:02,240 that he did not care for his wife. 1526 01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:05,640 I mean, maybe it's just true, but. 1527 01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,560 Yeah. I mean, there are betrayals of 1528 01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:12,840 them in media where they are like a lovely couple and it's 1529 01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:16,440 romanticized. I even just recently saw the 1530 01:30:16,440 --> 01:30:21,200 Broadway show and Juliet, which is completely, you know, made-up 1531 01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:24,200 if they literally sing like pop songs and that. 1532 01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:30,360 But they have the plays narrated by Anne Hathaway, actually. 1533 01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:33,600 And she's retelling the story of Romeo and Juliet, but through a 1534 01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:38,200 feminist lens. And William like, pops up and 1535 01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:42,120 they kind of like tease each other, but they're like a loving 1536 01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:46,480 husband and wife. But yeah, we we have no idea 1537 01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:49,760 what their relationship was like, but I would say the 1538 01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:56,760 majority of interpretations sway more negatively seems to be. 1539 01:30:57,080 --> 01:31:02,480 So then in 1623, Anne died for reasons also unknown to us. 1540 01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:05,520 And like I said, she was buried next to her husband in a 1541 01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:08,280 separate grave with an inscription on the grave that 1542 01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:11,800 reads Here lieth the body of Anne, wife of William 1543 01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:17,520 Shakespeare, who departed this life the 6th day of August 1623, 1544 01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:22,280 being the age of 67 years. Her son-in-law, John Hall, 1545 01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:25,920 Susanna's husband, also wrote an inscription we believe. 1546 01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:28,520 We don't know for sure he wrote it, but it's inferred that he 1547 01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:32,200 wrote it on behalf of Susanna, their daughter, which reads 1548 01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:35,280 Breast, O mother, milk and life, thou didst give. 1549 01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:39,480 Woe is me, for how great a boon shall I give stones. 1550 01:31:39,800 --> 01:31:44,200 How much rather would I pray that the good Angel should move 1551 01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:48,320 the stone so that, like Christ's body, thine image might come 1552 01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:51,520 forth? But my prayers are unveiling. 1553 01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:55,400 Come quickly, Christ, that my mother, though shut within this 1554 01:31:55,400 --> 01:31:58,080 tomb, may rise again and reach the stars. 1555 01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:00,320 Oh, cute. I know. 1556 01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:02,520 Must have really loved her. I know. 1557 01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:05,360 That's what I mean. Just the difference of these two 1558 01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:07,760 graves, like on William's grave, it's a curse. 1559 01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:10,680 Like don't dig me back up. It's very selfish. 1560 01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:15,000 There's really, there's no sign of like love on that grave at 1561 01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:18,200 all. But on Anne's grave, like it's a 1562 01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:22,720 true like, like it's grief from her daughter being like, I wish 1563 01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:26,200 that you would rise again, like Jesus, like I wish that you were 1564 01:32:26,200 --> 01:32:28,560 here. But like, it just shows up. 1565 01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:32,240 How much? Ann must have been a really good 1566 01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:34,640 mom. Yeah, Ann's daughter Susanna 1567 01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:44,640 didn't write one for her dad. No cursed thee, he wrote one for 1568 01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:48,160 himself. It had nothing to do with like 1569 01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:53,120 the loving husband of and the father of so and so it was. 1570 01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:57,960 Just don't dig me back up. Imagine if someone else wrote 1571 01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:02,000 the epitaph and it wasn't actually him and it was like, 1572 01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:09,160 don't you dare open up this like expelled as hell on earth. 1573 01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:14,240 Who was Shakespeare or something like the daughters, like don't 1574 01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:17,440 touch him or anything like, I don't know, like was. 1575 01:33:17,440 --> 01:33:20,200 He was he like, really famous at this time? 1576 01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:22,440 Like, was there actually a fear that people were going to try 1577 01:33:22,440 --> 01:33:26,040 to, like, dig up his body? Or was it just he didn't want to 1578 01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:29,080 be buried with his wife? He was pretty famous. 1579 01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:33,240 It's like not I feel like fame today is different. 1580 01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:35,200 Like, I don't know, people wouldn't really recognize him 1581 01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:38,200 like walking down the street, obviously, but people knew his 1582 01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:41,360 name and so maybe that could could have been a concern. 1583 01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:43,400 Yeah. I mean, also, like graves are 1584 01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:47,040 dug up all the time just because they're like moved to a 1585 01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,960 different location so that they can put more graves in a 1586 01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:53,120 cemetery or even build over the cemetery or something. 1587 01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:57,200 And a lot of people might see that as being disruptive to 1588 01:33:57,200 --> 01:33:59,720 their rest, you know, final rest, so. 1589 01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:02,960 Yeah. I could see if you picked out a 1590 01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:04,400 spot where you want to be buried. 1591 01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:06,600 You don't want that to eventually be moved. 1592 01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:10,600 So yeah, well, I guess, I guess that's the end of them as a 1593 01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:12,080 couple. Right it is. 1594 01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:16,400 It is the end that is an Hathaway and William 1595 01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:19,320 Shakespeare. Basically everything is left to 1596 01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:21,800 our imagination when it comes to this couple. 1597 01:34:23,320 --> 01:34:26,440 Yeah, because, I mean, it could have been really romantic, but 1598 01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:31,400 considering how many romances he wrote, I guess kind of like you 1599 01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:35,440 said, like Nicholas Sparks or something, it is kind of a shock 1600 01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:41,520 to hear that his relationship or love life wasn't as romantic it 1601 01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:42,920 seemed. It could have been. 1602 01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:45,120 We just don't know. But from, well, yeah. 1603 01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:49,080 All accounts it seems like not. I mean, yeah, Nicholas Sparks 1604 01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:51,840 also did get divorced, so he did. 1605 01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:58,520 But yeah, I mean, I will say that he did write that 1606 01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:04,200 dedication to Mr. WH. He never wrote any dedication to 1607 01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:08,160 his wife or his children. So we can infer that maybe they 1608 01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:13,040 weren't super close. It is crazy because his some of 1609 01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:16,800 his love stories have become like modern day tropes. 1610 01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:23,200 They're almost like fables, just like the fabric of our culture 1611 01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:25,920 in a way. And so he was so good at writing 1612 01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:28,120 them. But I guess sometimes being an 1613 01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:30,920 artist or writer doesn't necessarily mean that you in 1614 01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:34,760 real life are a good husband or lover. 1615 01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:38,360 So that's life, I guess, yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, a lot of 1616 01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:40,760 people then, like, really analyze his plays. 1617 01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:43,960 I wonder, like, these female characters that he wrote about, 1618 01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:48,960 like, are those characteristics that he desired in women things 1619 01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:53,720 that maybe are similar to his wife or contrary to his wife 1620 01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:56,200 because this is what he might prefer instead. 1621 01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:59,400 We really, you know, have no idea. 1622 01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:04,600 I wish that there was like something left behind from them 1623 01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:07,680 that could tell us more, but we don't have it. 1624 01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:12,000 You never know, maybe five years from now or something, 1625 01:36:12,480 --> 01:36:14,720 somewhere, they're going to be like we found William 1626 01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:17,600 Shakespeare's diary or something, or Anne Hathaway's 1627 01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:19,920 diary, and now we have all this information. 1628 01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:25,600 Yeah, and that would be awesome. Anne Hathaway's house, her 1629 01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:28,320 childhood home, which I don't even know if she really grew up 1630 01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:32,360 in this specific house, but the Hathaway family like relatives 1631 01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:36,080 of Anne Hathaway several years after she passed away. 1632 01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:38,720 I and I didn't write this down, so I'm really truly just 1633 01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:41,840 speaking from memory of coming across this in my research. 1634 01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:46,000 They realized that due to Shakespeare's legacy, there 1635 01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:51,800 might be some financial benefit to turning her childhood home 1636 01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:54,720 into a museum. And so you can go to it to this 1637 01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:59,320 day in Shottery, England, and visit her house. 1638 01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:02,520 I don't even I don't even think we know that she for sure grew 1639 01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:03,800 up in this house. Maybe she did. 1640 01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:08,000 But it's a tourist attraction. And I guess like the museum even 1641 01:37:08,440 --> 01:37:12,800 at times have kind of told the fabricated version of their love 1642 01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:16,400 story, like, oh, they would have been here on the lawn and, you 1643 01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:19,520 know, would have fallen in love in this spot. 1644 01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:22,680 He might have professed his love here, whatever. 1645 01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:25,640 And that they even would sell like souvenirs that were like 1646 01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:30,320 fake letters from when they were like their courtship or 1647 01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:32,760 whatever. And just like romantic items. 1648 01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:36,480 But it's just purely like a money making thing. 1649 01:37:36,480 --> 01:37:38,320 It's not really like historically. 1650 01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:43,240 Accurate or anything I kind of want to go. 1651 01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:44,240 Though I know. Yeah, me too. 1652 01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:50,920 I mean, at the very least it's a really old house. 1653 01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:53,960 Yeah. Gosh, I kind of wish this was a 1654 01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:55,880 Patreon episode. I'm worried that, like 1655 01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:59,560 Shakespeare experts are going to come across this and Fact Check 1656 01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:02,600 me about a lot of stuff. No, I mean, if from what you 1657 01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:04,800 say, there's not that much information about Shakespeare, 1658 01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:06,680 what can they even Fact Check you about, you know? 1659 01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:10,480 I guess I'm just worried that I got something wrong, but drop us 1660 01:38:10,480 --> 01:38:14,320 a comment. If so, yeah, I thought this was 1661 01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:16,160 so fascinating. Thank you. 1662 01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:19,000 Mel, thank you guys for. Listening. 1663 01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:21,920 Thank you. Yeah, I didn't really know much 1664 01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:25,880 about Shakespeare as a person beyond his works. 1665 01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:28,520 Yeah, me neither. I mean, we really don't even 1666 01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:32,800 know, so not. Very intellectually stimulating 1667 01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:36,880 conversation. Yeah. 1668 01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:40,360 Well, next week is going to be more modern. 1669 01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:43,240 We are talking about a couple that is still together. 1670 01:38:43,440 --> 01:38:47,640 One person in this relationship we have covered on the podcast 1671 01:38:47,640 --> 01:38:52,600 before in a prior relationship and the other person in this 1672 01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:59,400 relationship is in a movie that is nominated for Best Picture 1673 01:38:59,440 --> 01:39:05,480 this year in the year 2025. Hey, can you put it together, 1674 01:39:05,480 --> 01:39:08,120 people? Let us know. 1675 01:39:08,440 --> 01:39:09,520 Cool. Well, I'm pumped. 1676 01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:11,880 Me too. Thanks again, Mel. 1677 01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:14,600 Yes. All right, we'll get back 1678 01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:18,120 together next week. Get back together next week. 1679 01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:26,680 Here's your heartbeat with pain. Shall I come back again?