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Are you alone? 
Come tonight. 

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Do you miss me tonight? 
Are you sorry? 

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All right. 
Hi, guys. 

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Welcome back to Significant 
Lovers. 

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A True love podcast, I have to 
say. 

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So first of all, I'm Mel. 
I'm Kel. 

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We're cousins. 
We're Cousins. 

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Best friends. 
Yep. 

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First cousins, too. 
First cousins. 

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What were you going to say? 
Related Oh, I was going to say, 

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I have to say like I was 
reflecting today. 

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This podcast I truly think has 
like changed my life. 

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Because when it comes to 
relationships, romantic 

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relationships, because it just 
really helps to see like the 

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long term and the bigger 
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And like one of my friends, she 
just went through a breakup and 

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she had broken up with somebody 
and she was feeling really 

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guilty about it. 
And you know, she was like, he 

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didn't do anything wrong. 
Like, you know, it'd be 

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different if you like cheated or
something. 

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And she was like, I just, I just
feel bad. 

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I I broke his heart. 
And I was like, you know, on the

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podcast, like, well, I didn't 
say on the podcast, but I said, 

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like you really, it's nice to 
feel bad. 

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But sometimes being broken up 
with can be the best thing that 

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ever happens to someone, because
then it makes them available and

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gives them the time to find 
somebody else. 

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And then my friend Tess, hi, 
Tess is like Love Guru over 

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here. 
But that's something I never 

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would have really. 
I think if it weren't for this 

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podcast, it's. 
True, I know. 

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I feel like we've learned a lot 
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And I also think that, I mean, 
we've had a lot of breakups on 

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this show, but it's been 
inspiring for me when we have 

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those couples that are together 
for a really long time, like 30 

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years, 40 years or something, to
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It's inspiring. 
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So it's fun. 
Headaches couple. 

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This is an episode that I had 
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I think Kelly's in the same 
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Like this is a couple that one 
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describe them would be 
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I don't know. 
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annoyed me, especially recently.
This is Bennifer, Jennifer Lopez

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and Ben Affleck. 
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very insincere about them. 
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I Maybe that's not the case. 
You know, it's time to give them

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a closer look. 
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together, which is what this 
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was so young that, like, I had 
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So it's interesting to look back
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couples so significant? 
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they together originally? 
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Four. 
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what was happening. 
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You think, I mean, I know we 
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having done this research, was 
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Challenged what you originally 
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I don't know about that, but 
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relationship I think is very 
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It it surprises me because it's 
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different timelines can be in 
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Like I'm in a I've been dating 
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still to me feels like very, 
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I would not bring up getting 
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like that. 
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that we cover it's like 5 months
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married or something. 
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just the the vast difference in 
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relationship is absurd and. 
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were together for 12 years, I 
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So everybody's on their own 
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just quickly thank our new 
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week, just from the past week. 
So I just wanted to say thanks 

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to Molly, Amy, Donna, Donnie and
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Thank you guys so much for 
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But yeah, Mel, if you had to 
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words, what would you say? 
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Whirlwind would be another one. 
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Happy Whirlwind Wednesday. 
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Overexposed whirlwind and I'm 
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spot. 
I would say sensationalized, OK,

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this relationship, it reminded 
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Ariana Grande and that it was a 
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very quickly and blew up very 
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advantage of the publicity to 
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opportunistic. 
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wonder if that was deliberate. 
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really were a publicity stunt. 
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their blueprint. 
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could could have said this 
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You know this is perfect. 
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to get a tattoo for APR 
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not going to last. 
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fact that someone can get a 
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new relationship. 
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How do people get away with that
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I feel like if I did something 
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she's crazy. 
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Know. 
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See, I feel like everybody from 
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whoa, yeah, what is going on 
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OK, who are? 
Jlo and Ben Affleck So Jennifer 

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Lynn Lopez She was born July 
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parents David in Guadalupe. 
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Her dad was a computer 
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stay at home mom when Jlo was 
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Tupperware salesperson. 
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Jen was pretty active. 
She played sports, she did dance

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and she did gymnastics. 
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one semester as a business major
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dropped out to pursue dance 
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parents disapproval. 
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first professional dance gig and
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Europe for a show called Golden 
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And then this LED her to other 
dance opportunities, dancing as 

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a background dancer for 
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series In Living Colour, which 
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she also began taking acting 
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tour as Janet Jackson's backup 
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to pursue acting full time. 
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work. 
She was on a show called South 

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Central and then a CBCBS show 
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cancelled and then she was on a 
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Malibu. 
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different films, small roles 
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She was in a film called Me 
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pretty well. 
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a decade long relationship with 
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school sweetheart named David 
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Hollywood. 
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like 1995. 
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Mm hmm. 
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long term dater. 
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years. 
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happened in their relationship, 
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you know, he's working as APA 
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big roles. 
Maybe there is a struggle there.

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People outgrow each other. 
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High school relationships 
usually don't last, 

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unfortunately. 
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big, big break when she was cast
in the biopic Selena about 

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Selena, the singer who had 
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And Jlo became the first Latina 
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for a role. 
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her. 
Robert Robert R Ebert considered

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this a star making performance, 
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Golden Globe nomination. 
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director, Gregory Nava, asked 
Warner Brothers to fund an 

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Oscars campaign for her. 
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would never nominate A Latina. 
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And around this time, Jlo also 
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She married a Cuban waiter named
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Miami at a restaurant owned by 
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And they did it for a little bit
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marriage was equally short. 
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later. 
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That's kind of. 
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I know it is crazy. 
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And then in the late 90s, Jlo 
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movies, but she found herself 
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performing on stage like she did
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that movie. 
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Jlo doesn't really sing and 
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like, well, why would she have a
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she went from like a dancer to 
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team and a lot of music 
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potential to be embraced by 
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fill that gap that was left in 
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after Selena had died, 
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associated with her. 
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be such a strong motivation by 
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sign her. 
Can she sing or not? 

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What the? 
Heck, there's a lot of rumors 

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that she uses different vocals 
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songs, like a Sean Meghan 
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she began recording her first 
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Medina pitched her to different 
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artists with immense cross 
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That's inspiring fighting. 
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her. 
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each other, but Sony ultimately 
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she's singing English. 
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of Sony, Tomi Mottola, wanted to
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Mariah Carey. 
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this? 
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history about a feud between 
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In the Mariah Carey and Eminem. 
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Yeah, yeah, I totally forgot 
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Yeah, it's our 76th episode. 
I know what. 

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They've. 
Done a lot. 

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Then in 1999, she released her 
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Love. 
It quickly became a number one 

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hit, and later that year she 
released her debut album on the 

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six, which is a reference to the
six subway line between the 

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Bronx and Manhattan. 
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the album was Sean Combs, AKA 
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I was getting confused because I
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Daddy or P Diddy? 
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that's the same person. 
Three men in one. 

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Yeah, and they dated in what has
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on and off relationship. 
They actually had been arrested 

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at one point for possession of a
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after fleeing the scene of a 
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2001. 
And then soon after, like months

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later, Jlo married her backup 
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Her Love Don't Cost a Thing 
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Oh my goodness. 
Which that seems like her MO. 

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She'll like she'll break up with
someone and, like, quickly get 

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married to somebody else. 
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How many times has she been 
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been engaged like, I don't even 
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A serial fiance. 
Yeah, a lot of proposals. 

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Wow. 
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like she's on the top of at at 
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In 2001, she was the first woman
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Wedding Planner and her 
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released during the same week 
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clothing line called Jlo by 
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She also opened up her own 
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Like, all that to say is I feel 
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product. 
I think of good marketing and 

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like a good team. 
She has incredible star power. 

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But I think at the end of the 
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because she is so well managed, 
but that, but she is also a huge

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trailblazer. 
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Latina global superstar in the 
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different ventures and has done 
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Music producer Danny Rooney 
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hung, hungriest artist I had 
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I think she is kind of like a 
workaholic. 

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I can sense that even from the 
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never been like that close to 
Jlo's career, like participating

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in it. 
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Yeah, like she was even like a 
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point. 
I think she does so much. 

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She does, Andrew Barker, a 
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Jennifer exhibits a plethora of 
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carefully cultivated image as an
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ludicrously expensive outfits, 
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titles I'm Real and Jenny from 
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True. 
She is both relatable to people,

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but completely like the least 
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And that's polarized insightful.
Yeah, but then, OK, so who's 

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Ben? 
Like Ben, He's our hometown hero

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from Massachusetts, right? 
He's Boston. 

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Boy. 
Exactly our Boston boy. 

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He actually was born in 
California, though Berkeley on 

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August 15th. 
Freaking. 

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Kidding me? 
But his family moved to Mass 

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when he was just three years 
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And he was raised in Falmouth, 
which is, if you guys don't 

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know, that's like on the Cape. 
We know it. 

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Yeah, His mom, Chris, was a 
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school teacher and his father, 
Timothy was an aspiring 

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playwright. 
But he was usually unemployed or

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he worked at different blue 
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He was a severe alcoholic and I 
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Ben growing up. 
He was very difficult to live 

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with, and this led to his 
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Ben was just 11 years old. 
After that, his dad was homeless

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for a while, and then when Ben 
was around 16, his dad got into 

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a rehab facility where he 
actually lived for 12 years, 

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getting sober. 
Wow, that's really tough. 

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But the Affleck family like they
were very friendly with like 

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different creative types. 
I think his mom knew a lot of 

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people from Harvard who were 
pretty successful creatively. 

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She was friends with the casting
director in Cambridge, which led

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to Ben and his little brother 
Casey acting in a lot of local 

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commercials. 
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in an educational PBS program 
called The Voyage of Mimi, which

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was something they played in 
schools and that films in 

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Gloucester, Mass, and then also 
in Mexico. 

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So his family moved to Mexico 
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In middle school. 
Then so Ben attended Cambridge 

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Bridge in Latin High School, 
where he acted in school plays, 

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and he became a close friend of 
Matt Damon who was there, who's 

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two years older than him. 
Oh my goodness. 

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Another Boston boy. 
Our Boston. 

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Boy, they actually, they were so
close that they shared a joint 

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bank account and they would save
up their money to go to New York

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together to audition for parts. 
Wow. 

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Then Matt went on to go to 
college at Harvard, and two 

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years later Ben studied at the 
University of Vermont, majoring 

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in Spanish. 
He went to UVM. 

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Well, just for a little bit. 
Apparently he only went there 

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because he had a high school 
girlfriend who was going to a 

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nearby school in Vermont. 
And he said that he had somewhat

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unrequited feelings for her. 
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semester he rang up her dorm and
a guy answered. 

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And so then he transferred very 
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LA, where he studied, studied 
Middle Eastern affairs, and then

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began directing student films. 
Interesting. 

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And then he dropped out a year 
and a half later to focus on 

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acting full time. 
And wait a second, at UVM he was

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studying Spanish. 
I know that was Spanish, but 

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wow. 
Yeah, I think an. 

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Interesting guy. 
He. 

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Made it seem like he only went 
to UVM just to chase this girl. 

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Wow, that's funny. 
But that tells you something 

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like, OK, so he seems like 
someone who kind of falls down 

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bad for people, you know? 
Yeah, he'll do anything. 

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Meanwhile, he kept auditioning 
for things. 

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He landed small roles and things
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the part as the high school 
bully in the 1993 film Dazed and

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Confused. 
Yes, you're so mean and scary in

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that movie, I've actually. 
Never seen it? 

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Mel, you have to. 
You really should. 

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Especially since you like weed. 
Oh, that's true. 

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You have to. 
See it? 

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He yeah, he's very memorable in 
that movie. 

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He's great. 
I love that movie. 

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Well, he must have been a 
convincing bully because after 

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that he played a bully in Kevin 
Smith's Mole Rats, which led him

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to becoming very close friends 
with Kevin Smith. 

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And he was then cast as the lead
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Chasing Amy, which was kind of 
seen as his breakthrough role. 

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Meanwhile, Matt and Ben and Matt
Damon began developing their 

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script for a little known film 
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Which? 
Matt had originally submitted as

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an assignment at Harvard and 
they finished the script in 1994

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and then they sold it to Castle 
Rock Entertainment. 

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However, there was some creative
differences with the studio, and

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then the production studio said 
that they could pitch it 

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somewhere else, but they needed 
to get their money back. 

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The boys had been paid $625,000,
so they needed to find a buyer 

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who was willing to match that 
price. 

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Kevin Smith, Ben's really good 
friend, ended up giving it to 

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the now disgraced Harvey 
Weinstein, who bought the script

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and began filming it with 
Miramax in 1997, starring both 

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Ben and Matt. 
Wow. 

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And it was a huge commercial 
success, obviously, and a huge 

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critical one. 
They both won the Oscar for Best

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Original screenplay, and Ben is 
still the youngest writer to 

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ever achieve that at just 25 
years old. 

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Oh. 
My gosh. 

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So he's also like at the top of 
his career. 

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After that, him and Matt went on
to form their own production 

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company with Warner Brothers 
called Pearl St. 

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Companies, and he just kept 
establishing himself as a 

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leading actor. 
Averaging about three to five 

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major movie releases a year, 
including roles like Shakespeare

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and Love Armageddon and Pearl 
Harbor. 

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It's. 
Crazy that they were high school

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friends. 
I mean, imagine doing all that 

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with my friend from high school.
Just like let's do this and you,

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I know exactly. 
Guys achieve such success. 

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It's crazy. 
I love their speech at the 

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Oscars too, 'cause they're like 
yacht, like, they're like in 

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their early 20s. 
Oh, you should watch it like 

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they're like, shocked. 
Like that they won an Oscar. 

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Wow. 
But yeah, so then Ben dated 

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Gwyneth Paltrow, who we've 
covered on the show before, for 

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about three years after they met
in Shakespeare in Love. 

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And I just, I would thought I 
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her because I think it might 
give you a sense of who he is, 

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she said to Howard Stern. 
I think my parents appreciated 

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how he's super intelligent and 
he's really, really talented and

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so funny. 
But he was not in a good place 

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in his life to have a 
girlfriend. 

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I think they were OK with the 
two of us not being together. 

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Oh, oh, someone's parents wanted
to be over. 

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Like that's a falling sign. 
So how did Ben and Jen come to 

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form Benefer? 
The two? 

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They had casually, casually 
crossed paths a different 

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industry events, including at 
the 98 Academy Awards and at the

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premiere of Ben's film 
Armageddon. 

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Back in the 90s however, they 
officially became acquainted on 

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the set of their ROM com Geely, 
which began filming in December 

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2001 and about first seeing Ben 
on the set. 

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Jennifer had said they did a 
read through of the whole thing 

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and I remember just walking in. 
I think he was outside smoking a

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cigarette and I saw him and we 
just talked for a minute and I 

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sat down and we did the read 
through. 

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I don't remember a whole bunch 
more about it but I remember 

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being on set with him every day 
and loving him. 

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But at this time Jlo was still 
married to her second husband 

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Chris Judd and later on there 
were rumours that something 

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maybe happened on set. 
But she denied this saying I'm a

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very faithful person. 
If somebody had told me Ben's 

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attracted to you, I would have 
said no. 

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I wasn't raised that way. 
Ben also denied that anything 

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went down, saying when I met her
we became really, really, really

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good friends, first of all 
three. 

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Really. 
Like, really. 

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Really. 
Yeah. 

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That's a little damning right 
there, that that kind of tells 

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me all I need to know. 
Really. 

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Really. 
Really. 

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Yeah, like, OK, you could have 
stopped at 2:00, but the third, 

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really, like, that's suggestive,
he says. 

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But at first, because she was 
married, there was no thought of

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a romantic relationship, so that
no thought. 

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I know exactly. 
So that created the opportunity 

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to get to know each other 
without any falseness that goes 

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on with courtship because you're
trying to make a good 

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impression, which honestly, you 
should try to make a good 

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impression with anybody. 
Like, even if it's not a 

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courtship, you should be 
behaving well when you first 

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meet someone, especially a Co 
worker. 

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I know. 
However, it does seem like he 

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had feelings for her because he 
also added with Jen, I thought 

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even though it can never happen,
it was nice for me to know I was

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capable of feeling that way. 
I would love somebody in a way 

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where what I really wanted was 
for them to be happy even more 

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than I wanted than what I wanted
what I wanted. 

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That was a new experience for 
me. 

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Loving somebody but not wait, 
what? 

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What is he saying? 
He's like saying that this is 

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the first time he realized he 
could love somebody without 

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receiving anything back. 
I think, OK, that's nice. 

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So then in March, Jen was named 
Show W Female Star of the Year. 

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And I guess at this time it was 
customary for people in the 

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industry like directors and 
producers to place trade ads in 

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industry magazines like The 
Hollywood Reporter, Variety, 

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stuff like that as kind of like 
a interoffice memo of 

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announcements. 
Whereas nowadays they would just

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post stuff to social media, but 
it was their way of like 

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communicating with people in the
industry. 

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I see. 
So anyways, in that month March,

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Ben spent $18,000 on ads and 
Variety in The Hollywood 

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Reporter to congratulate 
Jennifer. 

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And in the ad, he wrote, you 
have shown kindness, dedication,

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diligence, humility, 
graciousness of spirit, beauty 

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and courage, great empathy, 
astonishing talent, real poise 

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and true grace has nothing but 
an honor and a pleasure to work 

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with you. 
I only wish I were lucky enough 

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to be in all your movies. 
Oh my gosh. 

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Respect and Gratitude, Ben 
Affleck. 

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Whoa. 
And so this got people talking 

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like what That's. 
I mean, I know you're you have a

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lot of money, but $18,000 just 
to congratulate somebody? 

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Yeah, and all those crazy 
adjectives. 

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It was nice. 
And I know I love hearing 

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anything written by anybody. 
It's just. 

458
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,880
So people thought maybe that was
yeah, like, maybe that was his 

459
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,920
way to woo. 
Her seems like it. 

460
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,000
He later told Variety that the 
reason he placed the ad was to 

461
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,680
refute rumors that Jennifer had 
a reputation for being difficult

462
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,360
on set. 
Well, that's nice of him. 

463
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,520
I know. 
If, if that's the reason. 

464
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,480
Still super, super, super nice 
of him, yeah. 

465
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,720
I feel like, you know, if you 
were Jen's husband, you'd be 

466
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,240
like, who is this guy? 
Yeah, I don't want this at all. 

467
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,280
And like, you had to keep in 
mind, like Jen's husband. 

468
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,600
Wait, is this the, oh, this is 
our backup dancer. 

469
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,560
Like this kind of a power 
dynamic with that right now. 

470
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,120
Yeah, I would definitely. 
Feel threatened Interior. 

471
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,240
If I were Judd. 
You would feel what? 

472
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,680
Threatened. 
Yeah, yeah, he should. 

473
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,080
Because then in April it was 
reported that Jennifer was seen 

474
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,840
smiling and sitting close to Ben
at her restaurant in LA. 

475
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,400
And then in June, it's June 
2002. 

476
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,800
It's revealed that Jen had 
separated from Chris and that 

477
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,280
she had initiated the breakup 
and he was reportedly 

478
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,560
devastated. 
Oh man. 

479
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,160
And why? 
Reports said that they weren't 

480
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,560
ready to divorce. 
She filed for divorce a month 

481
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,080
later, after only ten months of 
marriage. 

482
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,040
Not a great track record. 
Like her first marriage was a 

483
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,240
year and then her second one was
ten months. 

484
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,560
I I wonder. 
What her parents think about 

485
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,520
that? 
I know I feel like it seems 

486
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,560
normal with celebrities, but I 
always think back to like the 

487
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,400
people that you grew up with in 
their family. 

488
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,120
Like what do they think about 
all this? 

489
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,840
I know exactly you'd I would be 
nervous. 

490
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,360
Like, OK, let's take a break 
from relationships for a while. 

491
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,320
Even though the couple's closest
friends and family were 

492
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,200
reportedly what so, even the 
couple's closest friends and 

493
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,440
family were reportedly shocked 
because apparently up until that

494
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,160
point they had seemed madly in 
love to everyone who knew them. 

495
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,080
But it all made sense a month 
later when the New York Post 

496
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,760
reported that Jennifer and Ben 
were openly coupled up at her 

497
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,600
32nd birthday party in New York 
City, saying that they had been 

498
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,600
affectionately, affectionately 
canoodling and that he gave her 

499
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,680
a very expensive diamond 
bracelet. 

500
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,360
Wow. 
Even just to get get somebody a 

501
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,040
diamond bracelet. 
Like a month out of datings. 

502
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,480
Wow. 
That's intense. 

503
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,720
That's intense. 
But like, yeah, it's like, OK, 

504
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,240
she's with him right away after 
her second divorce. 

505
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,480
I don't want to judge, but let's
slow it down. 

506
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:59,360
Yeah, let's slow it down. 
Jen's ex-husband Chris, his 

507
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:05,400
father, was pissed and against 
his son's wishes, he went to the

508
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,320
New York Daily saying she jumped
in with the worst person she 

509
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,960
could possibly be with and added
that Ben was actively pursuing 

510
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:20,160
Jen on the set of Julie, saying 
I thought Mr. Affleck would 

511
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,720
honor a married woman and not 
just go right into her trailer. 

512
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,320
So I don't know. 
They quickly became known as 

513
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,600
Bennifer, which was the first 
ever Hollywood nickname for a 

514
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,200
couple. 
You know, Now we have Bran, 

515
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:42,200
Jelena, Robson, Tomcat. 
Yeah, Kim Kimye. 

516
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,520
Oh yeah. 
Spidey. 

517
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,440
Oh yeah. 
What are the other like I? 

518
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,120
Don't know oh. 
Jelena, that was a big one, but 

519
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,960
Bennifer was the first ever time
that's ever happened. 

520
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,960
And later in 2021, Kevin Smith 
claimed that he was the one to 

521
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:03,400
originally come up with it when 
he had name dropped them. 

522
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,080
Apparently he called them 
benefit in an interview with the

523
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,200
New York Times, and then quickly
after that, the press just ran 

524
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,760
with it and kept calling them 
that. 

525
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,800
That's. 
Fun What would you and Charlie, 

526
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,840
what would your nickname be as a
couple? 

527
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,360
We we already say we're chelly. 
Oh, that. 

528
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:25,400
Oh yes, I love that Shelly. 
It feels like a third person, 

529
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,280
like another name or something. 
Shelly. 

530
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,400
Oh, Shelly. 
OK, I'm going to start calling 

531
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,960
you guys that. 
Do you and Zach have any 

532
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:35,960
nickname? 
Would you be? 

533
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:41,920
I don't know. 
Tough Mack no MEC. 

534
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,200
My name doesn't really ever go 
good with anybody's name. 

535
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:51,520
Milk. 
Milk Melch. 

536
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,160
Maybe you could do something 
with the last names too. 

537
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,880
Oh yeah, I don't know. 
I won't. 

538
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,680
I won't drop his last name on 
here. 

539
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,880
But but so anyways, Ben then in 
November of that year, appeared 

540
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,960
in the music video for Jenny 
from the Block, which shows him 

541
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,560
touching her butt. 
And then they're kissing on a 

542
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,480
yacht. 
And then there's like clips of 

543
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,200
like paparazzi taking photos of 
them while they're reading 

544
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,840
tabloids about themselves. 
Oh my goodness. 

545
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,520
I don't. 
I there's something about that I

546
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,400
don't love. 
I don't know what it is, but 

547
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,440
later. 
It's so self absorbed. 

548
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,160
It is and I think, I think they 
both are self absorbed. 

549
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,240
That's why I didn't really want 
to cover them. 

550
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,560
But we got. 
I feel like they get worse later

551
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,360
on in their life, but we'll get 
there. 

552
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,960
I have to say it was it was fun 
researching them though, that 

553
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,480
there's a lot there. 
So later in 2008, Ben told Fox 

554
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,520
News that his one regret in life
was filming that music video 

555
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,800
because him grabbing her ass 
made him look like an 

556
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,360
ungentleman. 
Petulant fool. 

557
00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:01,400
Yeah, you can see them. 
So then that's a month. 

558
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,800
I know I yeah, I don't. 
I don't get gentlemen vibes from

559
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,120
him. 
Me neither. 

560
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:15,040
I mean, he grabbed the ass. 
That same month, they also began

561
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,640
filming the comedy drama Jersey 
Girl together in Philly, which 

562
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,840
was directed by Kevin Smith. 
I feel like I'm name dropping 

563
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,640
him left and right and this. 
Liv Tyler was in that movie. 

564
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,960
Oh wow. 
Yep. 

565
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,720
I didn't realize that. 
You know, Speaking of since you 

566
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:36,480
said name dropping Kevin Smith, 
you know, I made it part of our 

567
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,200
drinking game, John Mayer making
appearances, but he really 

568
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,320
hasn't shown up recently. 
I feel like he was like so 

569
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,160
prevalent in our early episodes,
but not anymore. 

570
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:47,760
I know. 
Where's he been? 

571
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,280
I'm actually missing him. 
I actually went out of my way to

572
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,000
for last week's episode to 
search Noah Baumbach, Gregor 

573
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:02,440
Wick, John Mayer. 
And I did find a mention of him,

574
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,200
but it was honestly so 
irrelevant that it was like a 

575
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,720
stretch for me to mention it. 
So I didn't. 

576
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,920
But it's just like searched on 
here. 

577
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,800
He used to be in like every 
episode. 

578
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,880
I guess we've just broadened our
horizons. 

579
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:21,960
Maybe. 
I don't know. 

580
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:27,159
I know all there is one mirror 
article. 

581
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,560
Jennifer Lopez isn't married to 
John Mayer yet, but she will be.

582
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,960
They're. 
Just making a prediction. 

583
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,400
Hey, that'd be interesting. 
Yeah, I I could see it. 

584
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:47,960
Yeah, oh, I totally could. 
Anyway, anyway, so interestingly

585
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:52,440
for that film Jersey Girls, Ben 
was paid $10 million and Jen was

586
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,480
only paid 4 million, which I 
think is kind of crazy cause 

587
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,920
even though he had an Oscar for 
writing, I feel like she was 

588
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,360
still kind of the bigger star. 
And then that same month, OK, so

589
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,880
so much has happened. 
They begin filming a movie, they

590
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:10,360
had a music video together, and 
then Jen accompanied Ben to 

591
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,400
Boston to meet his family for 
the first time. 

592
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:20,440
And while there, Ben proposed. 
Oh my goodness. 

593
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,440
Like, she's meeting his family 
for the first. 

594
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,760
Wow, that's two months and they 
get engaged. 

595
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,600
It is. 
She's still married. 

596
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:29,640
Legally. 
She's still like. 

597
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:36,800
Calm down, people. 
He proposed with a $2.5 million 

598
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,200
engagement. 
What? 

599
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,480
I don't know. 
I guess that it could be a 

600
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,000
question for the audience, like 
how would you feel getting 

601
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,240
engaged to someone who was still
legally married? 

602
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,200
That's a good question. 
I'd be really nervous. 

603
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,920
Me too. 
I don't know. 

604
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,960
It's way too fast. 
Anyways, so about the proposal 

605
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,880
Jen gave Diane Sawyer all the 
juicy details and I have a clip.

606
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,480
For you, is Diane Sawyer creepy 
in it? 

607
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,920
Not really. 
OK, this is the video you sent 

608
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,440
me. 
You know, took me back to his 

609
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,760
house, his, the house he grew up
in. 

610
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,800
And it was really funny because 
I was like, you know, you know, 

611
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,880
I really want his family to like
me and everything. 

612
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,120
And I had met them and, you 
know, we're all getting to know 

613
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:27,920
each other. 
So I wasn't sure. 

614
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,000
I'm like, I don't know if they 
like me. 

615
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,440
He's like, you're crazy. 
I'm like, no, my family loves 

616
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:32,960
you. 
And I don't know, you know what 

617
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,880
I mean? 
And he's like, he's like, he's 

618
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,240
like, you're insane. 
So we go back and we're supposed

619
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:42,160
to just basically spend the 
weekend with his family. 

620
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:45,120
And then when we got there and 
we go to walk into the house, we

621
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,880
drive there. 
And he was like, a little 

622
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,400
nervous. 
But I didn't, I didn't know why.

623
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,920
And he kept calling and saying, 
you know, things like, you know,

624
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,120
like, you know how much I love 
you and you know, how much I 

625
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,680
want to spend my life with, you 
know, all this stuff. 

626
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,720
And I'm like, yeah, look, it was
a little bit too much during the

627
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:01,200
day. 
And I was just like, what is 

628
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,840
going on, you know? 
And then finally we get to the 

629
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,080
house and we walk in, oh, that 
was nothing. 

630
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,560
He kept saying how to the house.
It's going to be a mess. 

631
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,680
And they'll probably have pizza 
there for us. 

632
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,960
And I'm like, stop it already. 
It's fine. 

633
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,880
It's enough. 
What are you explaining? 

634
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,120
Like you don't have to explain 
those things to me. 

635
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,080
I grew up just like you did. 
It's fine, you know? 

636
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,240
So we walk up to the the house 
and I see like, little candles 

637
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:27,320
up the stairs. 
And I'm like, oh, look how cute.

638
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,120
His mom must have heard that I 
like candles or something from 

639
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,160
the tabloids, you know what I 
mean? 

640
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,560
So she put them up the stairs. 
And that's sweet. 

641
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:44,240
And he opens the door and it is 
just a blanket, a quilt of rose 

642
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:50,760
petals all over the whole entire
house and just everything was 

643
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:55,320
just so, so many candles and 
bosses with bouquets. 

644
00:37:55,320 --> 00:38:01,120
And and my song GLAAD was 
playing and I walk in and I'm 

645
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,320
just like overwhelmed, like I 
wasn't expecting and I was just 

646
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,160
like, Oh my God. 
And then I kept thinking I was 

647
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,400
like, how did he do this? 
Because we were in Philadelphia 

648
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,200
working. 
And I was like, who did this? 

649
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,200
And he was like my mom, help me 
do it. 

650
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,600
And I just start, Oh my God. 
I was like, Oh my God. 

651
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,520
And it was just the most it was 
the best day of my life. 

652
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:28,120
Did he know what you'd say? 
I'm sure, yeah. 

653
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,800
Well, it was funny because, you 
know, he had written this 

654
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,400
letter, which he says was really
too long. 

655
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,800
He didn't realize how long until
he started reading it and I was 

656
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,160
crying, you know, and he's 
reading it, reading it, telling 

657
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,120
me all the stuff that he wanted 
to tell me. 

658
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,600
As you know, I guess he proposed
at the end. 

659
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,240
He was, he just said, will you 
marry me? 

660
00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:53,320
And I was just like, and he, he 
had the ring out. 

661
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,240
But I didn't want to look at the
ring, 'cause I could tell it was

662
00:38:55,240 --> 00:38:58,120
pink. 
And I was just like, oh God, it 

663
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,160
can't be pink on top of it. 
I was just too much for me to 

664
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:02,920
handle. 
I was just like, Oh my God, I 

665
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,160
was like, can't. 
He was like, baby, look it. 

666
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,880
I was like, I can't, I can't, 
you know? 

667
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,280
And he was just like, look at 
it. 

668
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,760
And I looked at the ring and I 
was like, Oh my God, it was 

669
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,880
just, it's the most magnificent 
thing. 

670
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,360
And he was like, you haven't 
answered me. 

671
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,960
I was like. 
OK, what I wanted to say about 

672
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,280
that clip, I don't know what you
have to say. 

673
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,920
It seems very obvious publicity 
that she mentions her song. 

674
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,800
I'm glad being played during the
proposal. 

675
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,240
It's. 
I thought that was odd that he 

676
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:30,960
would play that for their 
engagement. 

677
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,040
That's. 
So self absorbed. 

678
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,240
You know. 
But what? 

679
00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:37,800
What else did you think about 
that? 

680
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,720
Well, it just seemed like a lot.
And she herself seemed 

681
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:48,840
overwhelmed and not entirely and
I mean, she seemed happy. 

682
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:53,760
She seems happy in that clip, 
but I think she could have felt 

683
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,400
a little too overwhelmed. 
I am. 

684
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,280
Maybe I'm just guessing here, 
but it just seemed like a lot. 

685
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,600
And her reaction, her way of 
telling it was kind of like she 

686
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,320
couldn't even look at the ring. 
Like, I don't know it it just, I

687
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,120
think it seemed like too much, 
too soon maybe. 

688
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,440
A lot. 
It is intense too, and I feel 

689
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,520
like if you've had two divorces 
with marriages that have been 

690
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:19,120
like a year or less, I feel like
you would be a little. 

691
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,400
Bit more careful not to like 
rush into another engagement 

692
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,800
after only a few months of 
knowing somebody. 

693
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,000
It's really romantic on his part
and it does sound really 

694
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,600
thoughtful and beautiful and how
he wrote pages like I think in a

695
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,160
different situation I would 
think, Oh my gosh, that's 

696
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,160
amazing. 
But I am also wondering like 

697
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:39,640
what is he going through his 
head like? 

698
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,480
You know she's not even legally 
divorced yet. 

699
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,000
Why is he washing into this? 
Like what is happening? 

700
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:48,120
I know. 
How do you even know each other 

701
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,480
well enough to write pages and 
pages? 

702
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:54,480
Yeah, I don't know. 
I guess you could I I guess I 

703
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,840
can kind of get it, but. 
Some people really dive right 

704
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:03,520
in, like All in all or nothing, 
but I feel like that usually 

705
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,800
burns out super quickly, that 
approach. 

706
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:11,520
Yeah, because you definitely 
have a lot of built up ideas 

707
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,880
about what this is and what it's
going to be. 

708
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:19,040
And it yeah, it's it's extra 
crushing when something that 

709
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,160
exciting and passionate doesn't 
turn out to be what you thought,

710
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,600
you know, it's I think it's 
better to enter like a little 

711
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,240
bit, a little bit flow. 
Like, it's nice to be excited, 

712
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:34,960
but don't be like that crazy. 
Oh my God. 

713
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,720
But OK like I said, November big
month. 

714
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:41,000
Like they start shooting a 
movie, they get engaged. 

715
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,480
She does this whole Diane Sawyer
interview. 

716
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,680
Remember, they had a music video
together and now she has an 

717
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,560
album drop. 
The same. 

718
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,080
Month. 
Like that's what they saw. 

719
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,680
Like Ariana Grande. 
Yeah, and like, like, I said, 

720
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,120
like, she's mentioned, like how 
her song, I'm Glad was playing. 

721
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:02,800
That's a song on her new album. 
That's all kind of makes you 

722
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,840
think. 
And this new album, it did drop 

723
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,240
at #1. 
So it's like, wow, is the hype 

724
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:09,840
about their relationship 
helping. 

725
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,000
Of course it is, you know? 
Yeah, definitely. 

726
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:17,160
And the album, no question. 
And the album includes a song 

727
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,120
called Dear Ben. 
That is so similar. 

728
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:21,880
Isn't. 
It Rihanna. 

729
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,600
What? 
I know, 'cause it's weird. 

730
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:29,240
Who knows if it was even really 
written when they were together.

731
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:31,880
Originally it was titled 
Perfect. 

732
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:35,560
It's a very sexy song. 
I'll read you something. 

733
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:40,240
Yeah, it's just changed the 
title exactly because other than

734
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:42,640
that, it's pretty generic, she 
says. 

735
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:47,480
I just can't control myself. 
I can't be with no one else. 

736
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,080
It seems I'm addicted to the way
you like to touch me. 

737
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,920
I don't think they can 
understand why I love you. 

738
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,880
At your command. 
From the words you speak so 

739
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,120
deep. 
Our bodies. 

740
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,120
Me. 
I have to have you. 

741
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,400
I love you. 
You're perfect and manifestation

742
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,480
of my dreams. 
You make my body feel about a 

743
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,520
million different things. 
Yeah, that could be about 

744
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,120
anybody. 
Exactly. 

745
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,400
Then it's Marge, and Ben was 
interviewed by Vanity Fair and 

746
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,320
he opened up about the 
relationship. 

747
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,800
He said. 
Jennifer is a really wonderful, 

748
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,000
fabulous woman, smart and 
interesting. 

749
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,080
Spending time with her makes me 
a better person and a happier 

750
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,600
person. 
She impresses me every day. 

751
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,680
It feels better to be. 
It feels better to be. 

752
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,520
It feels better to me to be with
her than without her. 

753
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,960
Yeah, no shit should if you're 
engaged. 

754
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,880
I would hope so. 
Yeah, he also added. 

755
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,520
Jenna and I want to get married 
for the reason everyone else 

756
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:50,920
does. 
We fell in love. 

757
00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:53,520
I'm in love. 
I want to have a family and 

758
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,920
she's the only person I've ever 
met who made me entertain the 

759
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:02,200
thought of doing that and about 
the public's obsession. 

760
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,200
He said he didn't really 
understand it, but added I think

761
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,280
it has to do with race and 
class. 

762
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,560
The fact that I'm white and 
she's Puerto Rican, that's 

763
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,600
what's underneath, although 
nobody says it because it's not 

764
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:15,360
politically correct. 
That's funny. 

765
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,200
I feel like that's changed so 
much now. 

766
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,120
I know. 
I feel like that definitely 

767
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:23,080
could be a big part of it. 
But I did think that that was a 

768
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,160
sweet thing in that clip when 
she said he was acting like he 

769
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,960
was embarrassed by his house or 
something. 

770
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,920
That would be messy. 
And she said, like, I grew up 

771
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,760
the same as you. 
I didn't think that was sweet. 

772
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,840
Yeah, I mean they they both grew
up with a school teacher, Mom, I

773
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:41,840
mean, and Ben. 
Ben, I guess his dad was like 

774
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,640
out of the picture, but I think 
his mom was very hands on and I 

775
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,720
feel like they actually have 
kind of similar upbringings. 

776
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,480
So that's that's nice. 
Yeah. 

777
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,800
Even though they both seem 
really indulgent in, Oh yeah, 

778
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,880
glitz and glamour and 
everything, it seems like they 

779
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:03,000
still appreciate that they both 
understand growing up, you know,

780
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,120
more working class and normal. 
So that's cool. 

781
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:09,560
That's so true. 
Yeah, they both do, I think have

782
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,080
a lot of pride for where they 
came from, which is sweet. 

783
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,720
That's true. 
They definitely do. 

784
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:20,200
He these days especially, is 
really Hemming it up with the 

785
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,440
Boston stuff. 
Yeah, it's so funny, 'cause it's

786
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,080
like, how often is he even in 
Massachusetts? 

787
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,680
He's like so heavy on Boston. 
But he lives in LA, Yeah. 

788
00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:33,440
What? 
He also addressed how the media 

789
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,000
betrays her as overly sexed. 
And given her past two 

790
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:42,040
marriages, they kind of, you 
know, I mean, I I'm, I'm doing 

791
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:43,960
it too. 
Like, OK, Like she needs to slow

792
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,160
it down. 
But he said Jen has had fewer 

793
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,520
boyfriends than the average high
school junior. 

794
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:55,040
Which, first of all, no, she 
hasn't The average, the average 

795
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,480
high school junior has had zero 
to 1. 

796
00:45:57,720 --> 00:46:02,720
Like maybe two, maybe 2. 
Even if the average junior has 

797
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,200
had a couple of relationships, 
they weren't like meaningful or.

798
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:12,120
Yeah, that's so different. 
Yeah, she's had marriages, 

799
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:17,280
marriages. 
I think she's more experienced 

800
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:21,080
than a 16 year old. 
Lisa juniors out of this. 

801
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,840
Yeah, she says. 
She's had a much simpler, more 

802
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,520
easily explainable, more clean 
romantic history than I have. 

803
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,440
She can tell the whole story in 
15 minutes, whereas I always 

804
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,320
preface the whole story with it 
was complicated. 

805
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,200
There's a kind of language 
that's used about her, the spicy

806
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:45,400
Latina, the temptatious diva. 
She's a deeply misunderstood 

807
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,080
woman in my opinion. 
Well, I like that he's sticking 

808
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,560
up for her. 
Me too. 

809
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,280
I think that's nice. 
I do think she is very 

810
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,600
monogamous. 
When she's in, she's all in, so.

811
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,040
That's good. 
But I don't necessarily think 

812
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,400
the same applies for him. 
I think I see what he's saying 

813
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,960
about it was complicated, like I
don't know how much of A 

814
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:11,200
committed partner he has. 
I don't think he's a good track 

815
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:16,760
record for that. 
So then the two began the press 

816
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:21,080
tour for their film Geely, which
included very flirty joint 

817
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,800
interviews where they mostly 
talked about their relationship 

818
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,720
more than the actual movie, and 
they gushed a lot about each 

819
00:47:27,720 --> 00:47:29,680
other. 
They had a lot of, like, banter,

820
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,280
especially about if they were 
going to raise their children as

821
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:37,600
Red Sox fans or Yankees fans, 
you know, given that rivalry. 

822
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,040
Jen also said that she was 
planning to take Ben's last name

823
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,280
and they did a very romantic 
joint interview on Dateline 

824
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,720
together that aired. 
However, hours later it was 

825
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:52,280
reported that Ben was seen 
partying at a Vancouver strip 

826
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,920
club with Christian Slater and 
Tara Reid after a day of 

827
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,280
shooting their film Paycheck 
together. 

828
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:00,760
Oh. 
My gosh. 

829
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,120
And Jennifer's spokesperson said
that she was aware that he was 

830
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,320
going to a strip club and that 
she had no problem with it. 

831
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,840
This recently came up with my 
boyfriend, 'cause he was going 

832
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,880
on a bachelor trip. 
He was like talking about before

833
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,360
on bachelor trips. 
They would like go to strip 

834
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,840
clubs and I was like, I am fine 
with him going, but I was like 

835
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,400
no lap dances, you cannot touch 
them whatsoever, yeah. 

836
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,880
I mean, I believe that she knew 
and was OK with it. 

837
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:30,240
Me too. 
But I don't know if she was OK 

838
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:34,640
with him going to a backroom 
with four of the dancers to a 

839
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:39,560
private booth. 
You just saved this piece of 

840
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:44,120
information. 
And then, according to 

841
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:49,520
witnesses, reportedly having a 
sexual encounter in performing 

842
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,960
sexual acts with one of the 
dancers. 

843
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,920
What? 
What about all the roses and the

844
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,600
candles? 
I know. 

845
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,400
And then the next day there are 
reports that Jennifer is seen 

846
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,240
without her engagement ring. 
Not good. 

847
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:12,480
Trouble in paradise. 
So then August, more trouble. 

848
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:16,360
There's film. 
Geely comes out and it is met 

849
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:21,720
with terrible reviews. 
Absolutely terrible. 

850
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,160
This is like a historically bad 
film. 

851
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:29,880
It received a 6% score on Rotten
Tomatoes and it was criticized 

852
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:34,000
for the clumsy plot, the 
disorganization, and the lack of

853
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,320
on screen chemistry between Ben 
and Jennifer. 

854
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:42,000
Crazy film critic Richard Roper 
said that the film was a 

855
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,680
disaster and declared it one of 
the worst films he had ever seen

856
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,160
in his whole life. 
Now I'm. 

857
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:49,480
Curious. 
I know. 

858
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,000
Me too. 
And to this day, it's actually 

859
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,680
considered one of the most 
embarrassing flops of all time. 

860
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:00,520
The film had a budget of $75 
million and it only grossed a 

861
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,280
little bit more than $3,000,000 
in its opening week opening at 

862
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,760
#8 at the box office. 
Just crazy because these two are

863
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,040
like the hottest couple in the 
second week. 

864
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,760
The studio decided it was a lost
cause and pulled all ads for the

865
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,000
movie. 
And then it broke the record for

866
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:22,880
the largest second week drop in 
history with the 81.9% reduction

867
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,280
in ticket sales. 
I don't know. 

868
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,920
I that pains me. 
I hate to hear flop stories like

869
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:31,720
that. 
Failure. 

870
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:37,360
Story and the third week, only 
73 theaters in the whole world 

871
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,760
were still showing the film, and
by the 4th week it was already 

872
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:45,080
withdrawn from theaters, which 
was like the fastest like run 

873
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,240
for a movie of that high of a 
budget. 

874
00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:50,040
Wow. 
Felt like a roller coaster. 

875
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,240
It's awful. 
It's like in the film cost. 

876
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:56,040
Sony Pictures $42 million that 
quarter. 

877
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:57,960
Wow. 
And lost revenue. 

878
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,040
This is such a roller coaster. 
They were up, up on such a high 

879
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:05,960
and then I know now we're down. 
Yeah, we're really down. 

880
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:13,720
Jen described this at the as the
lowest time in her whole life. 

881
00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:17,480
Oh my gosh, that they were both 
incredibly humiliated. 

882
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,760
OK, what? 
I know. 

883
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:24,240
That's not that low. 
I kind of feel like the flop was

884
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:28,480
a turning point for them as a 
couple and their public image 

885
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,680
because they were so overexposed
and I think people were starting

886
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,360
to get very annoyed with them. 
I can understand that. 

887
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,640
Yeah, and I think that affected 
their relationship. 

888
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:41,520
We said they're very self 
absorbed. 

889
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:45,720
I think if people stopped liking
them, they stopped liking 

890
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:49,000
themselves. 
Yeah, they might start looking 

891
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,920
at the other and thinking, you 
know, this isn't working. 

892
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,680
People don't like me with you 
exactly. 

893
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:56,840
Maybe I don't want to be with 
you anymore. 

894
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,880
They're not willing to risk it 
all for each other. 

895
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,920
And I honestly think that, like,
that is why they're together 

896
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,760
now. 
I mean, I haven't covered them 

897
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:10,720
in the future yet, but I feel 
like they're together to like, 

898
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:15,200
reignite their careers. 
I think so too. 

899
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,120
Or at least the feelings that 
they had back then when they 

900
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,160
were rising. 
Exactly. 

901
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,320
So in September, they had 
announced that they were 

902
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,400
postponing their wedding, which 
was supposed to take place that 

903
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,040
month. 
Uh oh, in Santa Barbara. 

904
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,040
Apparently, all 400 invited 
guests received a phone call 

905
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,720
four days before the wedding 
that they were they were 

906
00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:43,880
basically told not to show up. 
Four days before Wow. 

907
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,720
Yeah, I mean, that's like. 
They probably already had 

908
00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:49,640
hotels, would it? 
Yeah. 

909
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,800
I mean, I think there's a lot of
thing though. 

910
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,240
A lot of flights were booked. 
Yeah. 

911
00:52:55,520 --> 00:53:01,120
Yeah, I imagine cancelling a 
wedding is like, the biggest Oh 

912
00:53:01,240 --> 00:53:03,960
my God. 
It must be so stressful, but I 

913
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,960
think if anyone is thinking 
about cancelling their wedding, 

914
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,160
you should just do it because 
you don't want to get married. 

915
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:11,880
Just because I feel like that 
happens. 

916
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,760
People say no, but everybody's 
already coming. 

917
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,560
And all these plans, I don't 
have to do it. 

918
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,160
Don't do it. 
I know. 

919
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,080
I Oh my gosh, I imagine that's 
so tough. 

920
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,960
But yeah, I think it's worse to 
get divorced like only a few 

921
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,280
months later, and then to have 
had this memory of getting 

922
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,360
married. 
They released a statement to 

923
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,200
PEOPLE. 
They said due to the excessive 

924
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,960
media attention surrounding our 
wedding, we have decided to 

925
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,280
postpone the date. 
When we found ourselves 

926
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,440
seriously contemplating hiring 3
separate decoy brides at three 

927
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,560
different locations, we realized
that something was awry. 

928
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,840
We began to feel the spirit of 
what should have been the 

929
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,800
happiest days of our lives could
be compromised. 

930
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,440
We felt that we should have. 
What should We felt that what 

931
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,400
should have been a joyful and 
sacred day could be spoiled for 

932
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,440
us, our families and our 
friends? 

933
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,320
I don't know if this is cynical 
of me, but I don't believe that.

934
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,800
I don't believe it either, and a
lot of people didn't like. 

935
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:10,640
It's a good excuse, but I don't 
know. 

936
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,240
Cancel. 
It, yeah, I don't know. 

937
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:17,720
It's it reminds me of Megan and 
Harry when they were saying that

938
00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:20,720
the paparazzi were chasing us 
all over the city. 

939
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,080
Yeah. 
And then paparazzi were like, 

940
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,360
no, we weren't. 
And there was no evidence of 

941
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,360
that. 
And to me, it sounds like 

942
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,760
they're trying to make it sound 
like people are so obsessed with

943
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,200
them. 
That's the reason why they 

944
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:37,320
cancelled it. 
I know. 

945
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,200
So, like tabloids begin 
speculating why they cancelled. 

946
00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:44,080
Apparently there were rumors 
that the couple got an argument 

947
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:48,600
on that Monday before, which was
apparently two days after Ben 

948
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:53,200
had been seen at the at a casino
in California, where he 

949
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:57,120
reportedly spent the whole 
evening at a $10,000 minimum 

950
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:01,600
table playing poker minimum. 
So you're at the bet that 

951
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:02,720
existed. 
I know. 

952
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:04,640
Me neither. 
You're to bet a minimum of 

953
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,920
$10,000. 
Oh my gosh and. 

954
00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:10,960
Apparently he walked away empty 
handed and lost a lot of money, 

955
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,120
leading people to speculate that
he had a gambling problem. 

956
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,120
I. 
Know, I know. 

957
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,080
This is crazy. 
Maybe that was like his bachelor

958
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,200
party or something. 
But there were also rumors that 

959
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,560
Ben's mom had urged him to call 
off the wedding so that he won't

960
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,600
have to live under the constant 
media scrutiny. 

961
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,120
Weeks later, paparazzi snapped 
photos of Ben and Jennifer 

962
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,800
holding hands entering a Georgia
courthouse, which led people to 

963
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,600
think that maybe they were 
getting married after all. 

964
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:45,320
However, they reportedly were 
there for Ben to obtain a gun 

965
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:50,000
license to go hunting. 
How disappointing is that? 

966
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,200
You think you're going to get a 
marriage license with a man and 

967
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,920
then they go and get a gun 
license instead? 

968
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:02,000
Not as romantic as I thought. 
No. 

969
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,160
OK, this is getting a little 
crazy for me. 

970
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:11,440
Strip club poker, betting 
$10,000, getting a gun. 

971
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,240
What is happening? 
Yeah. 

972
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,040
What happened to the flowers? 
What happened to the letters? 

973
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,680
Like this is too much? 
And over the next few months 

974
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,240
there's a lot of confusion 
whether they're still together 

975
00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:27,440
or not. 
And then in January, there are 

976
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,360
rumors that Bennifer is over 
when Ben attends the Sundance in

977
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,920
European premieres of his film 
Paycheck Without Jennifer, and 

978
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,560
that she was seen partying in 
Miami with her ex, P Diddy 

979
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,040
without her engagement ring on. 
That's kind of crazy. 

980
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:47,440
I know and seems that rumors are
true because Jennifer's Rep 

981
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,080
confirms to people that they've 
broken up saying Jennifer Lopez 

982
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,560
has ended her engagement to Ben 
Affleck. 

983
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,800
At this difficult time, we ask 
that you respect her privacy. 

984
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:02,080
Wow, it seems telling that they 
did not release a joint 

985
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,400
statement. 
That's true. 

986
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:10,360
And it's very brief too. 
I am so struck by how similar 

987
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,480
this is to Ariana and Pete 
Davidson. 

988
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,880
I mean, it's not the exact same 
story, obviously, but even just 

989
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,160
like the unhinged behavior, 
it's. 

990
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,320
Yeah, wow. 
It seems like they were trying 

991
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,920
to copy them like it. 
It does seem deliberate. 

992
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,240
Sources close to the couple told
people that Ben wasn't ready to 

993
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,960
settle down and that Jennifer 
was unhappy about his partying 

994
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:37,400
ways and his wandering eye. 
Oh yeah, And that she was afraid

995
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,800
of walking down the aisle to yet
another divorce. 

996
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:42,120
Yeah. 
I. 

997
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,640
Probably. 
I mean, he doesn't seem very 

998
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,400
promising. 
He's not giving husband 

999
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,120
material. 
No, no. 

1000
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,840
Then in March, their film Jersey
Girl came out, which received 

1001
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,880
pretty negative reviews. 
And it was not a big commercial 

1002
00:57:55,880 --> 00:58:00,200
success, which was just a part 
of a series of very poorly 

1003
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:04,920
claimed, acclaimed movies for 
Ben in what was somewhat of a 

1004
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,720
downturn. 
So I feel like him dating Jlo 

1005
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:11,240
and all that overexposure led 
to, like, people not liking Ben.

1006
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,760
And then he has all these, like,
bad movies suddenly. 

1007
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,840
Yep, only six months later, 
after their breakup, Jennifer 

1008
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:24,680
Marries singer Marc Anthony. 
What, six months later? 

1009
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,120
Yes. 
Isn't this like 6 months? 

1010
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,960
Not just she starts dating again
six months later, or she gets 

1011
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:36,520
engaged six months later. 
She is fully married six months 

1012
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,640
later. 
That is insane. 

1013
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,600
Yeah, I don't even know how 
that, like, human being is 

1014
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,120
possible. 
And also you're so busy working 

1015
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:45,840
like how do you have the? 
Time. 

1016
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,360
It's like some celebrities act 
like the life expectancy is like

1017
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:53,760
still 40 or something. 
Chill out. 

1018
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,920
Take it slow, but I will say at 
least her and Marie Anthony were

1019
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,480
married for like a while. 
And. 

1020
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,920
And that's where I'm gonna leave
it. 

1021
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:08,400
I do plan to cover their 
relationship as it is now in the

1022
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:13,400
future, but I do want to cover 
their relationships in between 

1023
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,600
that before I get to that time 
for context. 

1024
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,920
So that's fun. 
Yeah. 

1025
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,360
So, and I do. 
I want to say that I plan to 

1026
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,760
make Part 2. 
That will be a free episode as 

1027
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,600
well, but it will come out some 
point in the future. 

1028
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,160
It's not the next episode. 
Nice. 

1029
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:33,680
That's going to be so cool to do
their relationships in between 

1030
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,560
And then Part 2. 
Wow. 

1031
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:40,080
Oh my gosh. 
Odds that they'll get back 

1032
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:45,840
together. 
I feel like at the time I would 

1033
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:52,400
have said low, oh like 10%. 
But they do get back together. 

1034
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,920
Wow. 
See, anything can happen. 

1035
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:57,520
I know. 
For real. 

1036
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,960
Oh my gosh. 
Well. 

1037
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,720
So this isn't going to be Part 2
isn't going to be next week, but

1038
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,160
do you want to tease next week's
episode? 

1039
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:13,400
Yeah, next week is about two 
musicians who were very famous 

1040
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:18,600
for collaborating together and 
they had a pretty shocking break

1041
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:22,160
up I think. 
And yeah. 

1042
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,480
All right. 
Two musicians, 2 musicians. 

1043
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,200
I. 
This is like 20 tens, twenty 

1044
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:31,520
10s. 
OK. 

1045
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,320
Same industry of music. 
OK, Like same genre. 

1046
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:38,240
Yeah. 
Oh yeah. 

1047
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:43,800
We'll be teasing it. 
You guys can share your guesses.

1048
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,200
And thanks, Mel. 
That was really fun. 

1049
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,120
Crazy. 
I thought that was going to be 

1050
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,880
like 2 hours. 
I can't believe it wasn't. 

1051
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,000
Thank you guys. 
Don't want to end it. 

1052
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,120
Yeah. 
Thank you guys so much and we'll

1053
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,960
get back together next week. 
Bye. 

1054
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:11,240
Is your heart filled with pain? 
Shall I come back again? 

1055
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:18,560
Ten meeting.