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lovers. We are your hosts Mel and Kel
and For joining us for episode 3, we're cousins, but we're
cousins, like, people should know that.
Yep, originally from Massachusetts, yet now, we live
in New York City. Yep.
That is true. We used to have a podcast called
another, by the Twilight. It was watched by light.
Yeah, obviously. And but if you don't, if you
don't like to, I don't think that will affect your enjoyment
of this new show. Which is totally different and
it's about couples. As you might be able to guess
relationships, love, heartbreak, cheating divorce, Seth
sometimes, sadly. Yeah, and yeah, we've always
really been huge, hopeless Romantics, which is why we
started this podcast and also just fascinated by other
people's love lives. So, I've been saying it's like a
true crime podcast. But true love is trying to like
finish here. I love that.
Yeah, true love true. Love podcasts.
So today I guess we're going to Goering into it.
Got so he's a big one. It's a big so we can't waste any
time. I might be long.
But today we're not swimming. Yeah.
Only have an hour. Yeah, maybe it won't be that
long. Um, I'm Kelli, I'm Kelly and I'm
hosting today, I guess you could say so males in the audience,
and it's my turn. I'm kind of nervous, so don't
hurt me. But today, we are doing John
Lennon and Yoko Ono. Hmm.
What three words would you use to describe this couple?
I think last time when you asked me for one word.
Yeah, I said intense. Yep.
I'm gonna stick by that say, intense, creative and hippie.
Mmm, I probably would have said, it's just crazy how hippie they
could be, though. I don't know.
There's so many more words I could use to describe them.
But yeah, I am a huge Beatles fan.
I'm kind of nervous. It's because what if people
listening, you know, there's a lot of bills fans out there.
What if there's some baby boomers listening, who know way
more than me, you know, and I forget things.
Um, but there's so much to say about John and Yoko that this
could be like ten hours long problem.
Yeah. So just gotta, you know, I feel
like someone could have their own podcast dedicated to death
that. Yeah, probably.
There's a lot to say, so bearing with me.
But yeah, I'm a huge Beatles fan.
It's Mel knows. Li like my second Obsession
after Twilight. Wow, say yeah, but you're not as
big of a John fan individually. I, I feel bad saying that
because spoiler, he was murdered.
Yeah, imagining it but he's not. Yeah, it's true.
He's not my favorite. Beatle and John and Yoko aren't
my favorite Beatles couple, but I felt compelled to do them.
Yeah, it just chose me. Yeah, I say you know I just felt
like a half a day. Do this, maybe someday.
We'll do the other ones but yeah.
Yeah do you I was wondering because I know your kind of a
Beatles fan. Yeah, I remember in high school
you said Golden Slumbers was your favorite song.
Is that still true? Mmm, I don't think so.
Mmm, I don't know what would you say it is?
Tough question. Yeah, it's tough.
I think I would say my favorite is probably oh, it's Let It Be.
And I know that's so basic but as beautiful as not.
So beautiful and when you're in a really bad place and then
it's, you know, it's like the Power of Now.
Yeah, let it be. Yeah.
And accept reality. Actually listen to me on the way
to like, get in the mood. That's really emotional.
Yeah. Head like chills.
And that song I just think it's like it's so simple but it is
the secret to peace. So, so good.
I think so. Beatles songs should be someone
at church. Oh, 100%.
Fortunately that's Paul's long. So not John but he has imagined
actually saw on a trash can on the way here.
The word. Imagine that's a sign.
I thought so yeah. John knew you were about to
cover him and said, I'm letting you know that I'm with you.
Oh my God, I miss you, I'm with you and I'm gonna be okay.
And you along the whole way. The episode.
I don't know if he would have been dead for a number of years.
So you can there's numerous people that he can really, you
know, look over at this point. Sometimes you today I would be
scared to meet John Lennon in her life.
Yes, he's intimidating to me. Yeah, yeah, probably.
Now my perception of them in yoga obviously that they are
hippie. I feel like that everybody Nose
up, but I always wondered if that little bit of that is a
facade. Like, obviously, they're super
rich. Yeah.
So it's like, how and I guess like a lot of that lifestyle was
kind of, the counterculture lifestyle was lived by people
who actually had wealth and privilege in order to live that
way. But I don't know, I always
thought a little bit bit. Might be a facade.
Yeah, I mean, you're not the only one to say that.
That and we'll get to it but just kind of questioning like is
them doing a bed-in for peace like this?
I really do anything. Yeah.
Like Is that them just being self-indulgent?
Did they donate a lot to charity?
Um I know that I didn't really do research.
I'm sure they did but I don't know about them as a couple or
like during the time John was alive.
I'm sure they did. But I know that you'll go has a
lot. Yeah, it's John died.
Anyway, I guess we should get in and get into it.
I want to learn everything. I really don't know much about
them though, besides their image.
So there's a lot. There's I didn't I was shocked
by some things. Okay.
Yeah I really didn't know a lot my sources.
I used a couple books for this, The Beatles, just to prove that
like I'm not making this up beetles by Stephen Turner The
Beatles get back by The Beatles. That's the movie but they also
have like my mom got me a book version of it.
Oh wow, cool. Looking at that the Beatles.
They all the same title he feels by Hunter Davies.
That's like the best Beatles. Look really wants to learn stuff
about them and then the last days of John Lennon by James
Patterson and which Caitlin my sister gave to Charlie for
Christmas, oh, that's so sweet. And I just read it.
That's so sweet. I think she even Charlie crazy.
I know. Okay, so wait, don't look a
little bit about their background for, oh God, start
with you ago, Yoko, Ono. Just born February 18th 1933 in
Tokyo. Her father was a wealthy banker
and a former classical pianist, mmm, legal background, I mean
Musical and her grandfather was actually in the yes, sudha Clan
a Japanese Samurai can group. I don't really know what that
means, but something important. Yeah.
Um, and her name translated to English means ocean child.
Yeah, so when she was little her dad moved to San Francisco for
work actually and she didn't meet him until she was two years
old oh cause she didn't move with her dad know.
So like he just went without okay, San Francisco.
And yeah she don't know how until she was two.
She had younger brother and she went to an elite school in
Tokyo. Hmm.
So I think she was kind of rich but during the world war to
fight Fire bombings in Japan. I think they lost their house
and her family had to carry all their belongings in a
wheelbarrow. Oh wow.
And her dad was in a concentration.
Camp beside gone. Oh my God.
But I think he got out of it and then the family moved to
Scarsdale New York, but she stayed in Japan and then she
went to Sarah Lawrence College in 1952 when she was 19 years
old. So, her whole family moved to
New York by her. She stayed.
Yeah. Okay.
Well, she a grown. Adult at that.
How long she stayed in Japan? Because then she went to New
York when she was 19. Yeah, there's only like a year
ago. Okay.
But I guess she was like at a boarding school.
So, but anyway, so yeah, she wanted to school when she was
19. But then in 1956, so I guess
that would have been four years later.
She married a Japanese composer named Toshi.
Ichiyama Toshi ichiyanagi! Oh wow!
I had I've no idea she was even married before.
I know, I didn't know either crazy.
So she's married to this guy and I guess when she was in school,
she studied poetry English literature, music composition,
she wrote songs. And then after college, they
lived in Manhattan just started doing experimental art like
hosting events in the experimental.
Art was like letting people walk on walk on the art on the ground
and like lighting it on fire. She's really into arson
performance art. Yeah, yeah, it's like
experimental stuff, but then in 1962, her and Toshi, got
divorced, I feel living apart for years.
She moved back home with her parents and she was suffering
from depression, and then she was put in a Japanese mental
institution. Wow, I don't know that me,
neither. I don't know any of this stuff.
I guess you came back. Back and then she married
Anthony coxe again. Yeah, American jazz musician.
Well, I didn't know she had two big reasons.
He did and in 1963, she gave birth to their daughter
kyoko-chan because I had no idea.
She's even had another child. I don't know.
Either, is that daughter still in the picture?
Kind of. Wow.
So John Lennon was a stepfather. Yeah, I didn't even know that I
know me neither. But apparently, her and
Anthony's relationships are to fall apart, but they stayed
together. Hope Brand New York, but they
stayed together and you'll go left most of the parenting to
Anthony. So she could pursue art, okay?
So that's probably why we don't really know much about her
daughter. Crazy.
So, that's where I leave off of her.
John Lennon. Um his father Fred Lynn in was
brought up in an orphanage. Oh wow his mother's name is
Julia. She wasn't an organ.
She's so they're in Liverpool is people probably know Fred was
working on ships as a waiter and he would go off for like months
at a time and no one knew where he was when John was born.
Oh, I'm sure that has Like some type of psychological impact on
John I would say. So apparently, John was born
during a heavy air raid in 1940 and he's named John Winston,
Lennon, Winston being Winston, Churchill and apparently Fred,
his dad was locked up in the Ellis Island, jail.
Oh my, some reason, and I don't know why, but he would like,
send letters of Julia, but no money.
He did come back to Liverpool for a little bit and was John
for a bit and then he went to New Zealand and he kind of
deserted them. Wow.
Yeah. So John didn't grow up with his
Dad and then his mom Julia. Which The Beatles have a song
called Julia about her. She got remarried.
And she wasn't really like I think she was young and wasn't
really able to raise John like, I don't really know what the
deal was, but he ended up living with his Aunt.
Mimi and Mimi, basically raised him.
Okay. And for a long time, John didn't
Even know that his mom was like five miles away.
He thought his mom was like really far away.
Oh my God. That's really sad.
You know, it is sad so he could have just seen his mom like
regularly, mmm. Wow.
Yeah. So, his Aunt Mimi was like
basically his mom and she was like a lot more strict, but she
seems like to care about raising him, you know, is that his?
So that's his mom's sister, I think so.
Yeah, mm-hmm. Like people didn't approve of
his dad, I don't know. I feel like he's kind of a bad
situation in a way, but as a teenager by then he had like
already met Paul and George and stuff.
Moves your music. But then he like reconnected
with his mom and they would like hang out all the time.
And apparently, she acted like a teenager kind of.
Okay. So it was a little upsetting to
me me because then he like resented her.
Yeah, he's acting like the real parent but sadly.
His Is Mom, Julia was hit by a car and died.
Oh that's sad like kind of just as they were getting
reconnected. Mmm, that's really sad.
And people said that after that like his classmates, I don't
know if people know this. Yeah, that it made him less
sensitive to people's feelings and more cruel with his humor
after that. Okay.
And that's kind of the vibe I get from John Lennon.
Like, I know he cares about world peace, and I think he does
have a soft side. It does seem like kind of me.
Yeah, I'm sure there's like Such a like psychology behind that
like something that he learned. Yeah.
They're all that pain that like he has to be like insensitive to
other people because he can't bear like the burden like other
people's suffering. Like I think he was a really
sarcastic person. Mmm.
Yeah, but it'd be like vulnerable.
Yeah, that's the vibe I get, but correct me if I'm wrong people.
And as everyone probably knows, he's in the Beatles.
Mmm. And he married Cynthia, Powell
in 1962, which I didn't put anything about them, really?
That could be another episode. I'm gonna think it's
interesting, like, yeah, long ago.
So famous, and he had another wife, like, what, what happened,
but not going to get into it. You could do you okon her.
There is not much known. Yeah, him and Cynthia had a son
named? Julian.
I love that name too. It's a good name boy and girl so
that's where I end with his backstory but so one thing that
would Julian he's kind of an absent father though, as well,
right. Yeah.
A little bit about. Okay.
Yup. But yeah, this is interesting
that his father was absent and then he was also an absent
father. This crazy how that happened?
Yeah. Like you would think that like
you would remember. Like I didn't like how it felt
not have my father but I don't know.
I haven't lived that experience. So I'm sure there's a science
behind that too. I know.
It's like I'm looking at my computer screen too much.
No way. Yeah.
Okay. All right, people, so John and
Yoko. Yep, they met I have no idea.
They met when John miyoko, they met, we were gonna call her
podcast the night they meant, which is now the name.
Did you see? I made it the name of our tier
on patreon. Oh wait, I did not see that.
Yeah, so if you guys who grabbed her Patron, five bucks a month,
you get bonus episodes. So every other week, you got a
new episode. So that's called the night, they
met and damn, in which a lot of people didn't really like that
name. No, I'm gonna go with it.
I thought it was good. It was fine.
But people, with so many people got bogged down by the night.
It's not about the night that you cover more than the night is
kind of after like the Lord here on song.
Yeah. But I also did keep accidentally
saying the night, we might also do whatever writing as well,
wasn't meant to be. Yeah, they met at an art show.
November 6, November. 1966 apparently John read a newspaper
article describing a black and white movie directed by a
Japanese avant-garde artist named Yoko Ono.
A member of the experimental Global artists Collective
fluxus, okay? The other day in Vermont, I saw
somebody wearing a shirt that said, John Lennon broke up.
Fluxes. Hmm, like how did that person?
Oh yeah. Why did they have a shirt?
That's such a of scared. The Beatles knowledge that he's
selling, no shirt. And look.
Why do they care to me? Right?
Oh I gotta make a point. Yeah I got it.
Yeah. Oh yeah I meant to say like one
big question. I think we're going to try to
answer today is did Yoko. Ono.
So-called break up as people always?
Yeah. They're trying to make a point
about the misogyny of that that she had her whole Career
Success. Yeah.
And then he came along and he broke up a no one.
Who cares about that? Because everyone thinks that his
thing was more important. Yeah, that makes so much sense.
I mean, he was like, probably most famous person on the
planet. I can see why people think that,
but she did, she didn't put her career on hold later on Mmm.
Yeah, so the Beetles are invited to the November 8th.
Ah, it's my birthday opening of Ono's unfinished.
Paintings and objects. So but it wasn't really my
birthday because they showed up a day early My accident.
No, I think I'm very busy and she was actually mad that they
showed up early. She was saying to somebody like
you can't have people here before I'm done because I wasn't
done setting it up. Yeah, I would be annoyed too.
Especially like the building apparently she had a black
sweater and black pants to match her long.
Black hair, parted down the middle.
So yeah, she was pissed that they were there but then she
chilled out when she saw John, okay?
And she said, later about meeting, she said he was shaved
and he was wearing Uma suit up to then.
Englishmen had all kind of looked weedy to me, that was the
first sexy one I met. Okay.
And John was actually seven years younger than her?
I didn't know that. I always thought she was younger
than him. She's older.
She's on her second husband already.
Oh, she was still married at this point.
Yeah, yep. Is he okay?
Yeah. I didn't know that.
You know, they're both married. On asked what the event was.
She shouldn't own but yeah. And apparently, she handed him a
card, and he opened it. And all it said, was breathe.
Oh, like that. Was a part of the event, I think
so. Okay, so yeah, I can see why I
said there could be. Yeah, like that is crazy but
that night this isn't that according to the last days of
John Lennon. Yeah.
And he wrote it kind of like a novel even though it is
nonfiction but you wrote like he went home to Cynthia his wife
but was thinking of yoga we can guess but It.
I don't know. So that was 1966.
I don't have anything about well.
They did meet again in another Art Gallery event, but I don't
know anything about 1967. I'm assuming they kept in touch,
but I couldn't find anything about 1967.
I wonder if the beetles in regularly like attended stuff
like this, like, they did like, like, why would John be showing
up, not even knowing what it's for, I don't know.
Yeah, maybe it was like a publicity thing.
Or like a, I think I didn't write down his name but I think
somebody like brought them and then I don't know.
Okay. So they're both still married,
mmm, February 1968, The Beatles visited rishikesh India.
And if you've heard of this but they got really into like
meditation stuff. They visited my hurry, she
Mahesh Yogi's ashram and they went kind of because their
manager Brian Epstein head recently died, and their group
was like, never really the same after that.
I will say that I think Brian Epstein's death had something to
do with their eventual breakup. Mmm they didn't really have like
a leader anymore and I think Paul kind of took over things
and then people resented him for that.
And yeah. So how did the manager die?
Baby overdose. Oh, that's sad.
Anyway, yeah, so they went to India and throw a bunch of other
people there to the musician. Donovan who I didn't really know
him until recently but Charlie likes him he's kind of like Jake
Bugg, ish Donovan was there and the actress Mia farrow's there.
Oh wow her sister Prudence was there and that's what this long
due Prudence of her. Oh and I'm crazy.
That is crazy is apparently she's like this is something to
a child go. But Prudence Pharaoh got like
Really into the meditation. When like not come out, I don't
know. She was just like secluded from
everybody else. That's what she was like to into
it to me. So like the song lyrics are
like, Dear Prudence. Won't you come out to play just
crazy? Yeah.
Let Mia Farrow was there. So while they were there, John
and Cynthia, his wife were often separated because of different
meditation, routines and Yoko would write to John On mmm, and
she would write things like, I am a cloud watch for me in the
sky. Apparently, John will get really
excited about her letters. That's odd.
An exchange contact information. When they met mmm like a couple
years ago, right, yeah. So I'm guessing this whole time,
they've been talking. Yeah, he told Cynthia he needed
space and he moved out of the Bungalow.
They've been sharing in India. That sucks.
And how long have they been married for?
I think they got married and okay, they got snowed in 62, so
this was 68. Okay, mmm, I feel bad for
Cynthia, um, on the flight from Delhi to London.
He confessed his indiscretions during their six-year marriage
and I don't think it was just, you know, go, but I'm not really
sure. Yeah.
And I don't even know if he did hook up with Yoko, I don't know
if you just meant like writing the her or I have no idea what
indiscretions means. But yeah.
Apparently, he's cheating on her and Cynthia, was shocked, and
John later said, the Dilemma made him feel suicidal.
Hmm. When I got back to England, he
sent Cynthia off to relax with friends and grease.
It kind of weird. Okay, you go, chill out.
I know. And I don't know about how that
works. I know he's like, oh, I've been
cheating on you. Why don't you go to green?
Yeah, come on. I've been cheating on.
You won't even agrees and I just keep getting.
Yeah. That literally.
This is really what happened actually.
Um, and Julian stayed with the housekeeper.
He called Yoko and told her to take a taxi.
Oh, are you serious? Yeah, I'm serious.
I know. It's not really like the most
feel. Good relationship.
I'm sorry guys. But um, and she still married
to. Yeah, she's still married and
has a daughter. And apparently, so she took a
taxi over and they stayed up all night making music and then they
made love that song. It's my God.
When someday return from Greece, she found John and Yoko in robe,
sitting cross-legged on the floor facing each other and John
said, oh hi that's awful. He was so he felt suicidal about
know her and then he enjoys music dear.
Yeah. And then he responds.
Oh, hi to me, that doesn't know. This isn't seem like a guy was
was I know over cheating on his wife.
It's horrible. Yes, John's done is not my
favorite. Sorry but it's true.
Cynthia was super upset obviously, but they like it
comes. I'll do a few weeks.
Okay. Then John sent her on holiday.
Again, why does she even going this time?
Italy? Usually, the guy if you want
such, he's the one who made away.
He doesn't send the wife away, I guess if someone was like, I
just paid for it like floods Hotel.
Here's a trip. You and your friends do it
early. I guess.
Maybe I would Would ya? I know I guess if someone's
gonna cheat on me they might as well pay for me to go on an
expensive trip. But I like and then while she
was gone, you'll go move into the house.
Oh my God, they've been her husband, Tony Cox and daughter
Kyoko, from that point on Johnnie Walker, pretty much
Inseparable. So, is Young and like file for
divorce and stuff. Yes, he has.
So just some Music things during this year, there's just some
like Yoko references and music like Happiness is a Warm Gun in
that song. He's like Mother Superior jumped
the gun and apparently he used to call Lyoko mother.
Oh my God. I know that's obviously like
tied to his weird childhood and his mother kind of abandoning
him. I need a fix could be about her
but uh, apparently at the the time he was dabbling in heroin
so it's pretty bad. Some Julia came out that your to
that's about his mother. But there's the line, ocean
child calls to me, which references yoga because her name
means motion. Child is interesting to the top,
like, tying yoga to his mom as well.
Yeah, it seems like, I don't know why he didn't feel this
with Cynthia, but he seemed to see Yoko is almost like they're
figuring. No, because she's Yeah, maybe
that's true. Yeah, maybe she seemed like, I
think that John really thought you'll go was like, on his level
maybe even higher than his level.
Like she was so experimental and creative.
Yeah, you're cute. He respected her.
Anyway here did Cynthia. Hmm.
Okay so as John and Yoko started living together and John and
Cynthia started getting divorced.
Paul wanted to show his support for Julian and Cynthia.
So he drove down to weigh bridge where they lived bringing a
single red rose. Oh, that's sweet.
It was at some point in that our ride, he started coming up with
the song. Hey, Jude originally, hey,
Julie. And then he Jewels?
No, I love Paul. That's so sweet.
And how old is Julian at this point?
A little boy? Yeah, I guess I think that like
he was born when around when they got married.
I think they kind of got married because She was pregnant that
kind of. Yeah.
So I guess he would have been 60.
That's what I know. Consider it, a Paul, John
believed, Hey, Jude was addressed to him, I guess.
Okay, encouraging him to be a co co because there's a line you
were made to go out and get her. Oh my God, the opposite.
So your son that you're not even like paying attention to later
in. 1987 Julian said Paul and I used to hang out quite a bit.
More than Dad and I did maybe Paul was in two kids a bit more.
At the time, we had a great friendship going and there seem
to be far more pictures of me and Paul playing together at
that age, the pictures of me and Dad.
Wow, that is crazy. That's a sweet appalling Isn't
it? I love farming gardening.
Okay this is about to join. Also said, this is sad to.
I never really wanted to know the truth about how dad was
there were some negative stuff talked about me.
Like when he said that, I'd come out of a whisky bottle on a
Saturday night, stuff like that, that's tough to deal with you
think, where's the love in that? It was very psychologically
damaging for years and damaging for years that affected me.
I used to think, how could he say that about his own bloody
son? Son, wait.
So he basically said, like, the only reason he was born as
because, like, they got drunk and like had sex, that's never
Bowl. I know, that's so sad.
Yeah, that's so like, how can you have any, how can you be so
little compassionate for your own son?
Like, even if that's true, like you would never say such a
thing. I know you would obviously love
your child so much. It's terrible.
I feel like John had a lot of issues.
Around this time, I think he did get better but not know, I'm not
excusing it but I'm just trying to explain.
Like it's hard to wrap your head around someone writing and
saying, all this stuff about peace and stuff.
Yeah, exactly sure. Yeah.
So did he ever realize? Then that Hey, Jude was about
his son and said of him, I think he did.
Okay. Apparently dudes, their most
successful beautiful song ever. So what is you were made to go
out and get it mean then if I'm not sure.
Yeah I mean it could have been about Yoko I don't know.
Hmm. Maybe it was about something I
don't know or maybe it was his own thing about Linda or
something. And he just turned on there.
Like I'd have no idea. Sometimes I feel like a song is
like a mosaic of like different things put together.
Yeah. Could have been anything.
So around this time, this is one.
John broke the Bands. Long-held pack forbidding wives
and girlfriends from recording sessions.
Apparently, George Harrison said she just moved in that's
annoying. And if you guys watched the get
back documentary, which came out this year, you can see, you'll
go is literally sitting while the recording.
Yeah, the album's Abbey Road and let it be.
She's just sitting right there. Like I couldn't believe I mean
some of Footage has been out forever but I just never saw it
but she's like right next to them.
Yeah, like why would she have to be there?
Yeah, and I feel like then the others can't really be as
creative because someone that they're not as close to is
there. And like yeah I feel this way
about like people when they like are in relationships really a
new relationship, sometimes they feel like they always have to
invite the other person and I just was kind of new.
Yeah, yeah. And luckily like my friends
really aren't like that but I know some people.
Whoo-hoo, like once they've gotten in relationships, like
their Partners. Always just then a plus one and
and sometimes I think it's fine but it can really just throw off
the entire Vibe. Yeah.
I mean they had been writing songs like just them.
Yeah. There's it's like a very
intimate relationship. I've never heard music with
people but I would assume it would be awkward to come up with
things in front of someone. You don't know that.
Well yeah, exactly. Or maybe you don't even Because
I kind of get the vibe that at least George didn't like Yoko.
Yeah. Well, it seems like she's coming
in and like, she's making it seem like she's a member.
Yeah, of the songwriting team. Yeah, I do think though.
I mean you would think you'll go would have a thought like I
probably shouldn't be here but I do blame John Moore for this
Dynamic. I mean it's him that wasn't
making a boundary. Yeah, exactly should have said
playing with the dogs, you know. I'm like, see you later.
Yeah. And like a part of me is like,
well, there's something kind of like sexist and annoying is like
no girls allowed, I know, but I understand it when it's such an
intimate personal. Yeah, it's of songwriting.
And if all the other members have up to this point respected
that, yeah, that is pretty shitty of John.
I know. I don't think it's because
they're women. I think it's just like, they
didn't want anyone else there. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. Oh boy.
So They when they were doing The White Album, there's this song
Revolution 9. I think it's like there were
song ever but it's very weird. It has John and Yoko like
screaming and moaning with samples and this is the song,
one of the songs but Charles Manson thought was a message to
him and like inspired the Manson Murders, which is pretty crazy.
And Paul was not happy about this song because cuz apparently
he'd been making sound collages at home since 1966 and he felt
like now John would seem like an innovator.
Yeah, he wasn't happy about it, nine times.
So it's still 1968, June 18th Yoko is actually pregnant.
But at this point, the public didn't know that John had left
Cynthia. Oh wow, I didn't know that me
neither, so they're not married. Okay, yeah, I think there's
still like processing divorce. Really John and Yoko attended a
film Premiere in London, wearing matching outfits.
And so this was like the first time.
Yeah, solemn. She's only 2 months pregnant,
though. So don't think people knew yeah.
And there were a lot of angry fans yelling racist.
Slurs that hurt. Oh, that's awful.
And the next morning the relationship was international
news. Why were they angry?
Just because she was Japanese. Or were they were?
I mean, obviously just seems like they're racist.
Yeah, I think they were mad. Because they liked on and
Cynthia. Yeah, felt like she was a home
wrecker. And then yeah, it was throwing
racism and into that's awful. And then John found himself in
the biggest Scandal since is Jesus comments?
Which if people don't know, he said the Beatles were bigger
than Jesus. Okay.
I can see that being controversial.
Yeah, I don't like that comment. I don't know.
I do think it is like, so provocative.
We have people who are really mad about it.
Like some people like You know, super Christian like burned.
Yeah, that's also just super arrogant.
I know obviously they were incredible, but yeah, to say
that is just and he's like, well, it's just a fact but like
on. So John and Yoko needed
somewhere to go, I guess because like, they're both married still
technically and, you know, Cynthia still like lived in that
house with Julian. So apparently, Ringo had a flat
in London and he had leased it to Paul and Then Jimi Hendrix,
interested. Wow.
But he evicted Hendrix because he damaged the walls during an
acid trip. Oh my God.
Not crazy. These people are crazy.
Yeah, so John Yoko need it. So he's pretty strict.
Yeah. I know damage to the property.
I moved into that apartment. Yeah.
So this is leading to the big controversy.
There is a cumbers. Yeah.
No, the biggest controversy was just him.
Oh, okay, together. Okay.
Yeah, it is leaving Cynthia ever.
Oh sorry. That was the biggest controversy
but then there's another kind of busy um in the late morning,
October 18th, 1968. So John was 28 and yoko's. 35.
Mmm. And you'll go six months
pregnant. They're in bed half naked
apparently. When there was a knock on the
door and it was a police officer.
And at the time they were freaking out because John
described their life at this apartment as a strange cocktail
of love sex and forgetfulness or Yoko called it a diet of
champagne caviar and heroin very bad.
Um we at the room or are they doing all those drugs together?
Yeah I think so. At the door was detective, a
detective Sergeant, I didn't get his name but he was the same one
who had busted Mick, Jagger Keith.
Richards and Donovan resulting how this this detective is just
like on a mission to arrest every musician.
He came in alongside two other detective constables and to K9
handlers and a policewoman and they found some can of this.
That's all they could find. That's not bottom, they were
they arrested them squad cars, brought them to police station,
John pleaded guilty and but charges against the, okay.
Do our jobs. Yeah, but sadly a month later.
She had a miscarriage. Oh, I know that's awful.
I was expecting this to be Shawn.
It's not Sean. I know it's so sad because I
feel like you could probably attribute that whole experience.
Yeah, exactly. I mean you can't know for sure?
Yeah. But like the stress of like
being arrested and then like being in prison overnight and
everything. No, very sad drunk.
Slept on the floor of her hospital room and they named the
baby. John Ono.
Lennon. The second They're sad.
So then that see month, November 1968, John and Yoko came out
with an album together called unfinished music.
Vol 12 virgins, what the fuck? That's what's up.
There are totally nude on the cover and I was like so
scandalous. So it was like sold in a paper
bag. Wow stores and at Newark
Airport, the shipment of albums was actually seized and didn't.
Bounced pornographic. Wow.
FBI opened a file and just - no way why if we're just being
nude? Yeah well because this time like
the 60s FBI was like spying so much on anybody that was like
countercultural. Yeah that's true.
That whole I saw that movie seberg that Kristen Stewart's
Jean seberg. She was like an actress and she
was like an advocate for the Black Panthers and the FBI.
Like you know, it was really afraid of the Black Panthers and
you know the whole social justice movement so they were
like tapping her phone. Yeah, I've been stalking her and
yeah. So they ended up doing that to
John Lennon to apparently George Harrison didn't really like
you'll go at least that's what I picked up from some research.
I'm sure it was more nuanced than just like, I don't like her
but he said to her Dylan meaning Bob, Dylan Dylan and a few
people said that you got a lousy name in New York and you give
off a bad Vibe. He said that's a hurry.
Yeah, it is kind of mean, and John said, I didn't hit him.
I don't know why. That is pretty mean.
It's one thing to not like your friends partner, but don't say
something right to their face. Right.
Crazy. You give off a pile of how, um,
kind of modern that sounds I know, you know, so, Now, we're
not in 1969. I got this from the get back
documentary. This is January 13th. 1969.
Mmm, everyone's everyone's at the studio.
Yeah, but Johnny ago haven't shown up yet.
They're like really late. I think everyone sitting around
waiting for John Yoko and they're talking about meeting
that they had over the weekend and this is all recorded, it's
all real. And Paul said, there's only like
two things like two answers. One is to fight it and fight her
and try to Get the Beatles back to for people without you o go
and sort of ask Yoko to sit down and sort of ask you o go to sit
down at the board meetings or else.
The other thing is just to realize she's there you know and
he's not going to sort of split with her just for our sakes and
then it's not even so much of an obstacle as long as we're trying
not to surmount it you know while we're still trying to get
over it, it's an obstacle but it isn't really it's not that bad,
you know, they can stay together, you know, it keeps
saying that but it shouldn't be We can't operate under these
conditions, boy. You know, we're coming out.
It's like we're striking. That's what it is.
It's like a strike because work conditions aren't right, but
it's not that bad, you know? And the director of the movie
Michael and Z Hogg said, but he knows that doesn't he?
And Paul said, John knows that sure but he's Michael said, does
he talk about it at all? And Paul said, no, but he's you
see. We've done a lot of beetles now,
we've had a lot of beetles So I think John's thing know,
obviously, if it came to a push between Yoko and the Beatles,
it's Yoko, you know, mmm. And then later Paul said, they
just want to be near each other. It's his decision that it's none
of our business to start interfering with that.
Even when it comes into our business, you still can't really
say much, except look, I don't like it, John.
And then he can say, well, screw you or I like it then.
Michael said, have you done that already?
And Paul said, well, I told him, I didn't like writing songs with
him and go go. Michael said, were you writing
together much more before she came around and Paul said, oh
yeah, for sure. And then Paul said it's going to
be such an incredible sort of comical thing like in 50 years
time. You know, they broke up because
you'll go sat on a, you know, or just something like that.
What well, you see, John kept bringing this girl on what it's
not as though. There's any sort of
earth-shattering splitting rows or anything?
Yeah, we said this was all recorded this whole
conversation. That's crazy, you know?
It's in that documentary. Yeah, that's that they actually
said it. That's crazy.
I mean, you know, and it's crazy that the footage was just like,
like, locked up for so long. This is making me think.
Yeah, now that Yoko broke broke up the band but John broke up
the band because he didn't care about it enough to like make
other people feel more comfortable if you watch the
documentary, it really does seem like John and care that much.
Yeah, I know he kept my coming in late and he just didn't seem
to be like, Bring as much material and Paul knows that to
obviously he's like, listen, it's not that bad.
Like if but we were to give him an ultimatum, he's gonna leave
the band. Yeah.
So so we just have to deal with it and he was like, really
nothing they can do. And then later that day, the
tape suddenly turned on. This is so weird.
There was like no video component but just audio and I'm
not how somebody got this audio but It's John Paul talking and
John said, um, I mean, I'm not going to lie, I would sacrifice
you all for her. This is how it is, you know.
And that's all it was though. She comes everywhere.
You know. And then Paul said.
So where's George? John said fuck knows our
George's. Oh, that's it.
But we're was good. Yeah.
They were not getting along really and at the same time, as
all this I think George was But you'll go but he also wanted
more recognition. Hmm as a solo artist and there
were also disputes over like management and Paul was actually
suing the rest of them. It's like kind of a long story
but they had both chose like different managers or something
and Paul didn't agree with the ones they were working with.
Wow. He could, like split up his like
to not work with that guy. Yeah.
You didn't. Like the only way to do that.
With BJ like Sue The Beatles. Okay, that seems like that could
have a better impact on them splitting up, it didn't he did
but it's not as like I don't know interesting as like because
of a relationship. Hmm.
It's very dramatic. So there were like a bunch of
things going on. So it's not like totally honest
to say, it was just Yoko but I think it was definitely in
contribute. Yeah, that seems like a huge
Factor. Yeah.
Like if they were all getting along totally.
Well, I don't know. I think Probably the management
thing going to be even happened. so, Then finally Yoko Ono and
her husband divorced. Wait, they're still together.
Zona, how are you not getting together?
What like, they're still technically okay but they were.
Yeah, they were separated. Yeah, it was okay.
February 2nd 1969 and became official.
What's in some so long? That's crazy.
Maybe he like, wouldn't be served or whatever.
Yeah, he refused. I'm no, no.
I don't think it takes a while. Mmm.
Like a month later. John and Yoko.
Got married. Okay.
They decided to get married suddenly.
This is kind of annoying to me, two days after Paul and Linda
got married. That is so annoying.
Did they go to found Linda's wedding?
They actually did not. Oh yeah, I'm fine.
We're invited though. Linda only, they just got
married like a registry. Really like a big deal.
Yeah. But I do think, what are the
odds? They got married and then two
days later they got suddenly decided to get married.
Yeah, that's it. Obviously copy it.
Now I know I think they were that's so like, I don't know
narcissistic almost. Hmm, I know.
So, John and Yoko tried to get married in France, but they were
turned back at the Southampton dog because I didn't bring
passwords no. Um, in the end they flew a
private plane to I can never say this right.
Gibraltar. Mmm on March 20th.
They got married there. They're on the ground for less
than half an hour. No less than an hour.
They're on the ground for less than an hour.
Then I took off for Amsterdam that was the day.
We got married, big, Flyers? Huh celebrity.
They're like under Fire for the. Yeah.
That's when they did their famous bed-in for peace.
Mmm. We're basically, they stayed in
bed from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. They shouldn't buy the whole day
and they did it for seven days. Oh my God.
And they just let like journalist.
Interview that entire time. And that's actually like
incredibly easy. Yeah.
I have like some footage from it.
I don't know what I would want to show.
That is like, very performative. I mean, if you want to like, I
feel like if people did that today, I think people did say
this though. Yeah, I was going to say, I feel
like if you did that today people be like, oh, they're just
so full. Yeah, they are.
I do think some people did say that, I don't think.
Ink necessarily the whole world was just like, it's amazing.
I thought this was funny though. Wait, I see if I can find it.
It's a pretty long video but oh wait, this might be it.
It's just been making signs and so squeaky the marker.
Wait, but they're walking around, they're not even staying
in the bed, you're getting ready for it.
Okay? Remember, I don't know what that
high-pitched sound is. Thought it was your become very
close. I've no like journals even
bothered to go. They did though because John
Lennon was insanely famous. Yeah.
But okay, I thought this is really funny.
Um, this journey was Gloria Emerson just like ripped them
off. I'm gonna play this.
The only reason, if I'm going to get on the front page, I might
as well get on the front page with the word peace, but you've
made yourself ridiculous to some people.
I don't care. If you're not good, if it saves
lives, you don't think you owe you.
Ha ha. Can't you give up something
else? There would be no.
Stop it. It doesn't.
It's not the sacrifice. You can't get that into your
head. Can he?
You've stated a half a dozen times their MV is irrelevant.
I agree. It was no sacrifice to get rid
of the NBA because it was embarrassed and kind of a
perilous. Did you make how did I don't
nobody dies in campaign for peace?
Can you understand that? No, I'm very big advertising
campaign for peace and self. Well, you think you ever taught?
Nice, middle-class gestures for peace, and intellectual
manifestos written by a lot of half-witted intellectuals, and
nobody reads them. That's the trouble with the
peace movement. Well, it just seems another
nether land. I mean, I can't think of anyone
who seems more remote for ugliness of what's Happening
than you, when I do. See, you getting up and a
Tuesday morning and thinking that see, what should we do
today and what war is going on, that's your imagination, you
know? Really only Zoe carry on.
You make, what did you make it feel?
That's it. I'm someone who admired you very
much. Well, I'm sorry.
You like the old mop tops? Dear.
And you thought it was, I was very satirical and witty and you
like Hard Day's Night love, but I've grown up, but you obviously
haven't have you. Yes.
Well, what have you grown up to now, 29?
Yes. Yes.
How was Greece? That's beautiful.
So they sang one of your songs, well, if you great song, sure,
but it's not all you can say about that.
The moratorium was saying that in America.
They're so serious about the protest.
Moment just then but they were so flipping that they were
singing a happy-go-lucky song, which happens to be one.
I wrote, and I'm glad they sang it and when I get there, I'll
sing it with them when I get in and that was a message from me
to America or to anywhere that I use my songwriting ability to
write a song that we could all sing together and I'm proud that
they sang it at the moratorium. I wouldn't have cared if they'd
signed we can do. We shall overcome but it just so
happens. They sang that and I'm proud of
it and I'll be glad To go there and sing with them - Jolly.
I will make it jealous. You know, we have to make a
jolly. I can't afford to be neurotic.
Maybe we might stop the war but enjoy.
Yes. It's because the thing is, when
you're happy, and when you're smiling, you don't want to kill
somebody, do you? You know, it's when you're very
serious, you start to think about violence and death and
killing. I mean, have you ever seen a
person a person killing somebody with a smile on his face?
And Being happy. No.
Killers are unhappy people and their violent, because they're
so unhappy. And so damn serious.
Steve Allen be boarded. Thank you, goodbye.
Well, I think that's what you wanted, but the last point was a
good point and she didn't want to respond to.
That was a good time to do the other part.
That's kind of cute. I do, like, I didn't have many
Clips, but I do think your crew seems very sweet.
Yeah, she seems so Optimistic and cute.
Yeah, but I do agree with the reporter.
I mean, like, let me really think about this.
I what would I bet in do? I guess it is kind of like an
advertisement. Yeah.
But I would think most people are good amount of people are
thinking to themselves. Like oh this is stupid.
I feel like you need almost like more specific advice to make
change. I don't know just saying like
piece. Yeah exactly what is that?
So big it's like you can afford to just lie in bed all day most
people. Yeah and like but like people
who have it's like maybe at a time like maybe when I was like
sick or something, I like lie in bed for like a week long or
something. Yeah, it's not making a
difference. Friends.
Like the only way to really protest is so like, actually
change somehow hurt the oppressor?
Yeah, that is causing it like to, I don't know.
I mean did they Inspire some change?
Maybe, I don't know. I mean, it could be just, it's
all so big. Like so many small to decisions,
maybe can lead to some people deciding.
Like, I'm going to move it to turn or something.
Yeah, I think so. Self-important about that's the
thing. It's like they're not aware.
We're of like, this is yeah, such a minor thing I do for the
most part. Agree with that reporter also I
love her voice. Yeah.
Heck I want to talk like she's so cool to me.
Like wow. I want to be that woman.
She looks like Anna Wintour something, she's so chill, she
seems so smart, but I mean it's, I can kinda see like, well, if
you're gonna be like a pop star, like, I guess it's better to say
that But then just like any random thing.
I don't know if you're going to have people's attention maybe
it's better to say that then whatever but it does come off a
little Annoying. Yeah.
So back to the story around this time.
John changed his name to John Ono Lennon.
Hmm. He removed his middle name
Winston. He loves Yoko.
Yeah. Oh yeah.
That's why I said intense describe my flick, the obsession
intense. Yeah.
Like they just were together all the time.
They are obsessed with each other.
He said about getting married. John said intellectually.
We didn't believe in getting married but one doesn't love.
Someone just intellectually for two people.
Marriage still has the edge over just living together.
Yeah, I agree with that, I like that.
Yeah, I mean it's so totally different to say like my wife or
my husband. Then I don't agree my roommate.
So kind of back to the discussion about Broke up the
Beatles and that's a maybe like you could see it more as their
relationship. Not just yo, Cobra, beautiful.
Yeah. But so earlier in the Beatles
career John had been like a major contributor to the group
singles. Mmm.
But around this time he really didn't he still wrote songs but
Paul's are to just dominate with like Hello.
Goodbye, Magical Mystery Tour, Lady Madonna.
Hey Jude get back, let it be All those ones were by Paul John's
were just I don't know little weirder little less popular
which whatever. But the British comedian Spike
Milligan said, and I 67, I knew John Lennon quite well.
He used to talk a lot about comedy.
He was a goon show, freak it all, which was a show at the
time. It all stopped.
When he married Yoko Ono, everything stopped, he never
asked for me again. That sound.
Yeah, I hate that too. When people just get in early
Change it. They use abandon all of their
old friends, and it seems like that's what John did.
And I don't think that's healthy, mmm.
It's not know. I know I hate when that happens
to it's so sad. So guys, if you're listening,
try to maintain your friendship relationship.
That's all I got to say. Yeah, that would be my bed in.
Yeah, Kelly's really good at that.
Oh well, I love. My friends.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
And I love you and your friends are forever.
So yeah. And you just you never want to
find yourself in a situation where like you depend completely
on one person. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, that's all I gotta say about that.
Yeah. And then in the book, The
Beatles by Hunter Davies which is kind of like the best Beatles
book, I'd say he wrote then Along Came Yoko at light at
last, he meaning? I found a kindred spirit if of a
very unusual kind John was immediately sparked into life.
He was away on a new plane realizing at once that Paul who
had been who had until then been his buddy, his soul mate was as
conventional as Cynthia together, John and Yoko
discovered, new and all-consuming aims.
The rest of the beetle, didn't matter anymore.
When Paul came up with an idea for say, a live TV show, John
wasn't really interested. Yeah, that does seem very
unhealthy everything Everything not just his friends, all his
passion, his music. Yeah.
Is like Falling by the wayside. It be.
So sad to be Cynthia's. I know it's sad if she ever find
love again. I think so.
But I don't know. Yeah, different episode.
Um, yeah, I love the relationship between John and
Paul, to, I find it really interesting and that makes me
sad if that's true that, like, at this time, he started to
think Paul was A basic course. Musically like, oh, I'm so
avant-garde and your yeah, all your Silly Love Songs but those
are the songs that are connecting with people.
I know. So I do think that there are an
awesome pair like Duo and yeah each other so much but I hate
like after the Beatles broke up, I feel like John started,
trash-talking Paul's music and stuff and that just breaks my
heart. I like One Direction it is it
and you know it's in my notes Here by guess.
I'll just get to it that. Like apparently if anyone's a 1D
fans I was talking about. So Shannon the other day that
apparently people kind of compared Zane's, fiancee Perrie
to go go and like that using lost interest and I mean they
didn't end up even sticking together.
Yeah like that. There's a similar situation that
is interesting. I wonder if that's really the
case. Shannon say that she thinks
Perry contributed to it. I think it's similar that it's
like, it's not Perry's fault. Yes, just the guy.
Got more into his personal life. Yeah, and I don't know.
Yeah, let me screw up. Yay, I don't know.
It is quite misogynistic that people and I just said it that
way. But yeah.
Act like it's yoga or act like it's Perry.
It's the it's the guy who chose to prioritize that instead
completely to the point of abandoning everything else.
That's interesting. I feel like it's become like a
Trope. Mmm, so the Beatles officially
broke. Up April, 10th 1970.
Hmm. I know during the Apollo 13.
Yeah, I guess so. Early 1971, John was reading.
Yoko's poetry book grapefruit which I haven't read by did see
in the book store the other day and uh, this is 21.
Poem is titled tuna fish sandwich piece and the words in
the poem say imagine. Thousand suns in the sky.
At the same time. Imagine clouds dripping and
apparently like that same day he wrote the song.
Imagine oh Cubs exotic. She inspired it.
Yeah they had imagined on the mind just seem like there's
something a little half-baked about their art so maybe I just
don't get it. But that sounds like the fact
that you think that Paul is basically that does feel kind of
basic. I know, I know, I don't know.
I mean imagine is a great song but yeah I do think you need all
the you know when you look back at history or whatever you need
every piece. Yeah.
So I mean rock music was still not that old.
So maybe it doesn't seem too complicated.
Just be like imagine. Yeah, but you know, you need
that stepping stone. That's true.
But yeah, I know I that's, I mean, this is why I'm sorry,
why? John isn't my favorite Well,
he's my least favorite Beatle because I don't like how he
would look down on things and I do I feel like I'm on a
self-important. Mmm.
Yeah. And not a lot of self-awareness
but imagine is a great song. Yeah.
A lot of his songs are great. No it's a great song but yeah
it's like it is at the end of the day.
Simple message. Yeah.
And so if you're going to be criticizing Paul's music, I know
like look at yourself. I mean that's a great song that
deep. Yeah, you know.
Yeah. Yeah.
Everyone's getting along. Yeah.
So revolutionary, you know. So August 1971, John Yoko moved
to New York and apparently John said, you could say I fell in
love with New York, on a street corner Yoko and I were forever
coming going to New York. We love it.
It's a center of our world. America is the Roman Empire in
New York is Rome itself. New York is at my speed.
New Yorkers are like me. They don't believe in wasting
time. Yeah.
Is interesting. And feel like he has become like
a New York icon. Yeah, it's interesting there so
hippie to but they're actually living in a city.
Yeah, yeah. No.
I mean, Paul was actually the farmer guy.
That's so interesting in Scotland.
Yeah. And look at animals and stuff
and they lived. I mean, you can be a hippie in
the city. Yeah, but yeah, they not this
point but they do eventually live at the Dakota, which is
right on Central Park and that's like it's really easy.
Yeah. So they had like doorman, they
liked the diverse atmosphere of New York and apparently their
interracial marriage didn't stand out as much as it did in
English. Yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah, apparently they said that people were a lot more like,
racist towards them England, but okay, this is crazy at this
time. 1971, they didn't This is so bad.
You didn't know where yoko's daughter was.
Are you serious? Yeah, wait.
Well they knew she was with the dad Anthony cock, but they don't
know where they are. Yeah.
They didn't know where they are. You looking for?
Yeah, they were okay, um, I mean, I don't know how hard I'm
really tired people. But like, apparently Cox
disappeared with the eight-year-old daughter.
Kyoko and he won custody of her after successfully claiming
that. Oh no wasn't unfit.
Mother do her to her drug use. And He her ex-husband changed
kilgore's name to Ruth Holman and he subsequently raised her
in an organization known as Church of the Living World or
the walk that doesn't look at called.
Yeah. And she didn't see her again
until 1998. Oh my God.
I know that's really sad. That's Matt.
That's like 20 years, right? She was a fully grown adult.
Yeah. She saw her daughter.
I know from 8 years old. Oh my God, this story is just
insane, that's crazy. You know, why would he do that?
The dad just like, because you got caught up in this church
guess so I don't know. He's, I mean until you get to
that point, I am kind of like, oh yeah, well sounds like it's
good that he got custody like sounds like she didn't mean
she's doing drugs like yeah they were in the walk.
Yeah. Okay it's like more going on.
On there. Yeah.
Which we turn a light on. Yeah.
Wait, let me get water. Hello break.
You're gonna make the flight back to the story.
Isn't this crazy so far? Yeah, this is crazy.
Okay, even the craziest part. So just to sum up like they're
both married, they get together, they got arrested.
Stay. Did they sleep in bed for a
whole week? They yeah, her daughter goes
missing. It's fucked up.
Cheers. Okay and it just keeps going.
Are you ready? Yeah, I'm ready.
Okay, so John's there in New York pajamas struggling to get a
visa to stay in the US and FBI was stocking them.
Their phones were tapped. I wrote whole story.
Oh I guess I just meant, there's a whole story to it but I'm not
going to get in. What do you think?
What is the FBI? Like think they're connected to?
I think that at this time the FBI just didn't like anyone
inspiring, you know, like visual or feminist Uprising that like a
violation of like the first amendment.
That's why I was so fucked up. Yeah look into it.
It's crazy. It's awful.
Um yeah so 1971 this is when their song happy Xmas Wars over
came out. Mmm.
Oh also like the Vietnam War. More like they didn't like
anybody inspiring, you know anti-war.
Yeah. Yeah.
But like that's so anti-American to be against anti-war way.
It was Maybe still is. I'm gonna um, what is this?
Okay, - I need to interview around 11:00.
All right, let's just, let's see what this is.
Who would like to ask a question of young firsthand, I saw.
Was that young lady right there? Would you wait until the boom
gets to eat, but would you mind standing well, I absolutely Like
what? Like, in general, I'm going to
like, like a lot of times people say, in, about demonstrations
and all and like, how, like everybody should rush out and go
to demonstrations and everything, and it's going to
help, but I don't know if it really helps and I want to know,
like what I can do. Like me just personally like to
help people in like get better and like help the peace thing
and how how people in general Health, you know how I can do
it. It was urgent that.
Did I think you know, we can all do it but if we can't solve our
own personal problems, we Of a silver, big problem.
All we have to do is convince one person and that's all you
have to do. And if everybody convinced one
person, the whole world is going to be convinced, you see, it's
that simple. People tend to think that
somebody will say them whether it's a president or a you know,
whoever your hero might be somebody's going to come out the
blue to save you. And there's only people can save
us, only us all deciding to do something about anything,
whatever it is, just even making that decision.
I want to do something is a star The person that you're really
responsible to people around, you like your parents, which is
the biggest, you know, problem. I thought it was don't live at
home and your yes, but I mean you don't have to live with them
but in other words, people around you, you know, if you can
start to convince people around you and if we all took care of
our friends around us, then the whole world would find, you
know, just want to show how they do.
Ya know I think you'll go so sweet.
It seems sweet, you know. It's a really sweet idea.
I know you know just a little at a time and then the whole rules
of be a good player. Yeah I know she warms my heart.
She's so beautiful too. So February 1973 things started
to go downhill for them. Oh, their apartment was robbed.
They had no security in their Bohemian, Loft and John Social
Circle in the village was not what it once.
Was, he felt taken advantage of Used by the yippies.
Oh God as he called them and the night Nixon won the election.
John Lennon. Just lost it.
Yeah, he got super drunk and high on cocaine and pills that
night and they went to a party and to everyone's shock in front
of everybody, he took another woman into another room, but
when I feel go and they just started like hooking up and
about this Yoko said. She didn't come on to him at
all. He just pulled her up and went
in the next room and they were groping.
And all that and we were all quiet and someone tried to cover
the noise. I playing a Bob, Dylan record.
Oh my God, my jaw is hanging open right now.
I had no idea here. I am thinking he's like this
incredibly devoted guys in her know and that at least, okay.
Like, you know, he's abandoning his entire life to be with her
but at least he Loves her. Then he does this.
That is so shitty. So annoying that it's like oh
because Nixon got elected yeah like control yours.
No. Cause you did not need to do
that. And that's so not going with
what they just said like starts with you, you know, like just be
good to everyone around. Yeah, exactly.
I'll raise yeah. Like oh, it's a form of protest.
I'm gonna cheat on my wife like Just show it to Nixon.
That's my point. You'll go.
It sounds like that was upsetting for her it was it was
so yeah people are playing Bob Dylan to cover up.
The noise Yoko said we did it anyway.
I know right? I don't know what they're doing
is they're having sex or what the hell is going on?
We heard it anyway, and everybody had their coats in the
Next Room where John and this girl are making out.
Oh my God. So I guess there's no but still
so nobody can go home. Yoko said it was very
embarrassing. That's terrible.
The fact that he would put her in that situation, he really
obviously doesn't respect her that much, it's insane.
It's insane, dude. And then we're gonna go get your
coat. I don't want a party John.
This is the cheating on his wife.
I wonder who that woman is. I don't know.
I didn't really look into it but it wasn't written.
Yeah, the next day, John was remorseful Yoko, said, you need
to figure out how she felt. But because remember they got
their apartment got robbed. Yeah, they got a call about an
apartment that was open in the Dakota on Central Park and even
though this was like a weird time for them, they decided to
go see it anyway and they liked that they had guards and
security. So they decided to move in.
So about the incident at the party.
I'll go said that situation really woke me up.
I thought, okay, we were so much in love with each other and
that's why we sacrifice everything.
My daughter, everything it Worth it if we were totally in love
with each other, but if he wants to make it with another girl or
something, what am I doing? So Yoko decided they needed time
apart and she said, I started to notice that he became a little
restless so I thought it's better to give him a rest in me
and rest. So she suggested that John goes
to LA It's kind of funny. What's up with the people?
Like I don't know, sending people, she suggested John goes
to LA, and apparently, he lit up.
And she knew that John wasn't good on his own.
Mmm, this is the crazy part. So she set him up with her
assistant Mae ping to be a 20 21, 22 year-old chinese-american
woman from Spanish Harlem Yoko said May paying was very
intelligent Didn't attractive woman and extremely efficient.
I thought they'd be okay. So she set up John and may to be
romantically involved together. That is so odd.
And and she was just fine with that like oh he's in.
She did it for you know if you love someone set them free.
Yeah. For him to come back.
Yeah I believe so well because it worked right?
It's just nuts. I mean who doesn't like I know
what if I got her pregnant? There's no there Mary?
I know. So summer in 1973 John and may
flew to La, is he doing this town is crazy and they were
there for a year and a half. Okay.
That's a long time, you know and John referred to this time of
his life as his lost weekend which I thought literally
because I had heard of it I thought was literally a lot.
Yeah so did Charlie my boyfriend who's like a huge Beetle Maniac?
He also thought it was literally Weekend?
No, it's a year and a half. Yeah.
A year and a half of depression debauchery, but also creativity
productivity and fun described it.
If you chose the word weekend to like really minimize that time
period. Because it's weird how like
that's not remembered in history.
I know so crazy. So, for the first time, John
Lennon was not defined as a Beatle nor the husband of Yoko
Ono. Hmm.
I mean, I still think it's fucked up but I guess I can kind
of see this time being important for him to like, figure out who
he is. Or what?
Yeah. But why does it need to be with
another woman? Like, I know, I know crazy.
So during this time he finished three solo albums and produced
two others for friends, And he became friends with Elton John
mmm and he also fell into a group called The Hollywood
vampires, which was a drinking Club Last Man Standing kind of
thing. And in the club was Bernie
taupin out in Spartan writing partner Islands, writing
partner, Keith Moon of the who Ringo was in it.
Nobody I know, and Micky dolenz of the monkeys so they're just A
drinking Club was owed. They literally were just
drinking yet. Because what they did you guys
drink okay? Again, it's like if this time he
was getting sober something and you know Changing, maybe he did,
but it's just sounds like he's yeah, up to debauchery.
I wonder if they wrote to each other and see it in contacts
during exam. Okay, they did.
So, I was about to say that, that may paying found the phone
calls from Yoko, becoming increasingly controlling MMA
said first, they were directives to keep our relationship quiet,
which is fine with me, then crisis mode, kicked into would
call in with instructions of what to say that she had thrown
out. John she'd call.
Every day to remind us of what to say, one drama after another
what to say to reporters. I guess so.
I mean I do think that she's a right to be controlling, its her
husband. Yeah.
And she, yes, a doctor situation.
I know it's an odd situation. Yeah, it's crazy.
Apparently. John and Yoko were in contact
every day. Okay.
My phone multiple times a day. This is stupid.
I don't know why you didn't Buzz.
So crazy. He just with me.
Me and poor may. I know why did she go along with
it? Your situation.
I don't she's so young to know, Harrison.
She's 22. Mm-hmm.
So I guess after a while you'll go, I mean, this is her idea but
after a while she was started to, you know, not be happy with
it anymore and she went to Paul McCartney.
Wow. And asked if you do her favor.
So Paul went to LA and told John Yokota Back as long as he made
an effort to court her. Mmm that's so sweet of Paul.
Again that to I have a quote from Paul he said no one ever no
one ever goes on about the time to John Hurt me when he called
my music, music people keep saying I hurt him but where I
think because of those doing things but where's the examples?
When did I do it? Nobody knows how much I helped.
John me and Linda went to California and talked him out of
his so called Lost weekend when he was full of drugs.
You told him to go back to Yoko and not long after he did.
I went all the way to LA to see that bastard, he never gave me
an inch, but he gave, but he took so many yards and feet.
Yeah, Paul also said, I have some juicy stuff I could tell
about John but I wouldn't not one yolk was alive or Cynthia.
Oh my God, John would Donald grab for the action?
See, the first thing in his head.
We admired him for that. That's yeah.
John really does seem to strike me as such a hypocrite like
these things that he accuses people have.
It's like you're one to talk and I love how Paul said, so-called
weekend year and a half. It is called the last year and a
half. I know it's like it is phony of
him to say that. Yeah, he won't be honest.
You know, what he's doing with his life and Like really his
love for Yoko. Seems like a facade.
Now that Paul has even go there and convince him to get back
with her. I know.
So John went back to New York but he was still with me.
Oh my God, he was staying with me.
Oh my God. I know and John felt like he was
publicly out of favor at the moment and then the other
Beatles had more solo hits. Paul had had three number-one
hits in the US by then I guess all the Beatles.
At the Plaza Hotel, to sign papers to end their lawsuit.
Um, but John, didn't show up and he said, I didn't sign it,
because my astrologer told me it wasn't the right date.
Oh my God, the group was annoyed, and George invited him
to a charity show. Oh my God.
That's so annoying. George is having a tough time at
that time, too? Because I really think this
could be a good episode. His wife Patti had left him for
his best friend. Eric Clapton.
Oh my God. I don't even know who's best
friends with a group best friend and so George, I really loved.
Eric Clapton like I almost feel like the way John feels about
yoga like, oh, there she is. Such an artist whatever.
Yeah, George felt. All right, that's terrible.
You know, so Paul met up with John and made of smooth things
over, I guess. I don't know what that means but
John and may then took Julian, who is now 11 to Florida and
went to Disney World? Okay.
I don't know why I put that in there, but I think I thought was
interesting. Like I can't really picture
someone that I know. I'm gonna guess.
It's sweet that he's doing something for Julian.
Yeah. So John start hanging out, David
Bowie. At this time.
Fun fact, there's always producer.
Tony Visconti later, married Mae ping.
Oh my God. I know everyone's okay, it's
that, Invisible String? Yeah, without Yoko setting up.
Yeah. May and John John and David
Bowie. Dave always produced, are ya,
Mae ping. They would have never found each
other. So it always almonds have.
He's all meant to be. That's very nice.
Yeah. Um, but okay, I guess seems
seems shady it seem like there's maybe over Laughs or something
because sometime in 1975 Yoko, became pregnant and Johnny Joker
back together, okay? So I don't really know like how
I'm sure some people out there. No, I'm sorry.
I don't have the information but I don't know like what happened
with him. Yeah, maybe she met Tony and but
seems worthy this arrangement with may like it was never
supposed to be long term. No.
Yeah, it seems like it was an arrangement and he overdid it.
Yeah. It's how I Receive it like it's
like the TV show the ultimatum. I don't know.
You haven't seen it but it's like they practice dating other
people in order to decide if they really want to be together
it seems like that's what Yoko was trying to set up.
Yeah. I think so but it wasn't really
working. No.
But now they're back together. Yoko's 42 at the time and since
she has had miscarriages in the past she was on bed, rest
Malthus time and John took care of her like, push her around in
a wheelchair and stuff. So, It's cute, he showed Yogo
his Los Angeles, diary that chronicled all the highs and
lows during their separation, that was interesting, and then
he burned it in the kitchen sink.
Okay. Very young creative.
Yeah, I mean, are you guys like that?
Yeah, I'm mad. He did all that, but I think
that is a nice symbolic gesture. Yeah, I think it's in the past
and shows transparency obviously.
Yeah, your see everything, that's true.
So then October 9th 1975 their son, Sean Taro, Lennon was born.
Sean. And he's like a musician today.
Beautiful, beautiful. 1977 both John and Yoko announced that
they will be putting their careers on, hold to concentrate
on raising their son. Sean, that's sweet.
So, they did, and then so I don't really have much
information, but then a couple years later, November 1980, they
John Yoko released an album together called Double Fantasy
and okay. Now we're like getting to the
end here. I know I'm getting like really
like scared and sad. It's scary.
So December 8th. 1980, John have busy day him and Yoko had a
photoshoot interview, and they were working on their song
walking on thin ice. So, this is actually the day.
I don't know if you've seen it before but Johnny, okay.
We took their really famous Rolling Stone cover which is
Yoko is lying there with clothes on and he was like yeah.
That's the same day. He's not crazy with the day he
died. Is my you serious?
Yes. Yeah.
It's the same doesn't day. They shot that that's crazy.
I know it's so weird. Not like, I know you were asked
me the other day about, like things that are, you know, seem
like things are connected the universe.
There's a lot of things on this day.
That is very weird. Yeah, they shot the iconic
Rolling Stone cover and you leave of its was a photographer.
She's very famous. It wasn't even printed yet that
no thing cover. Um and apparently, John loved
it. Like when they were taking it
and said, this is it, this is our relationship.
He loved the picture, then that same day, he was interviewed for
archeo radio, and the guy that interviewed him, Dave schoelen,
well, Yoko is there to. Maybe she was interviewed to,
I'm not sure, but he said the eye contact between John yolk.
Was amazing. No words, had to be spoken.
They would just look at each other with intense connection.
So during the interview, John reflected on how he'd recently,
turned 40 and was becoming middle-aged.
And he said, I hope I die before you go, because if you go died,
I wouldn't know how to survive. I couldn't carry on.
That's so crazy that he said that, I know, the day he died,
he said that it's not like oh my gosh and he said, I always
considered my work one piece, whether it be with the Beatles,
David Bowie, I'm John Yoko Ono. And I consider that my work
won't be finished until I'm dead and buried and I hope that's a
long long time. Oh my God I know that's really
does make me think. Like sometimes things are just
so weird how they connect. And like I really truly think
that like in real life like there's foreshadowing all the
time and I know weird to not think that there's like
something Greater going on. It's like, Joe.
It's like noon. A weird way.
I know, like, what are the odds that day you'd say, like, I hope
I die before you go go. Yeah.
See so after the interview, they stepped outside and John was
looking at photographs from a shoot, with a photographer named
Paul gorosh and that's when a fan Mark Chapman walked up and
see Fish, Lee asked him to sign a record.
And he wrote John Lennon 1980 on the record and the photographer
actually took a picture. Oh my God.
And it shows John with the fan, Mark Chapman and I guess John
sighs out. Okay.
And the fan Mark time I just like walked away and John turned
back to Gorge with like a puzzled look and then I think
they'd gotten car and left so that same fan, Mark Chapman.
He stayed outside all day, outside the building, John and
Yoko, went to the studio to work on their song.
And then they stopped at home to see Shawn before dinner at 10:45
p.m. they stepped out of the car outside of the Dakota.
And that's when that fan, Mark, Chapman shot him five times.
Oh my God, and apparently down the street at 135 Central Park
West James, Taylor heard the gunshots and he leaned his head
out of his window and said, I'm pretty sure that came from the
Dakota. Oh, my goodness.
Interesting. Mel's been into him lately.
So they were constantly like two cops, really close by and they
just pulled up in their patrol car and put John in the car.
And the officers asked if he was John Lennon and he nodded his
chest was soaked in blood. You just taken to Roosevelt
Hospital and Yoko is in the car. Just stunned and silent and he
arrived alive in the hospital but he died there.
And Yoko is swamp sobbing in the arm of a police officer.
Oh my God. I have literally chills right
now. I know it's crazy.
And what are the odds to that? Like that fan had been
photographed? I know to so weird like that
they could have the evidence. Yeah, I regretfully like I
actually don't know a lot about John Lennon's murder and like
why the fan? I'll tell you I have information
about it but apparently when they the doctors were working on
John, And they were playing like Beatles music over the sound
system, like All My Loving o sweet when John was declared
dead. Jaune, Tom, when John was
declared dead Yoko, said he can't be dead.
He was just alive. Apparently, she collapsed and
then banged her head repeatedly on the floor.
That's awful. It's so sad.
I guess on TV ABC was broadcasting.
The final minutes of a matchup between In the New England,
Patriots, Miami Dolphins. I'm just kind of right now but I
just thought it interesting and there's a less than a minute to
go on the clock but they interrupted the game to announce
an unspeakable tragedy confirm To Us by ABC news in New York
City, John Lennon outside of his apartment.
Building on the west side of New York City, the most famous,
perhaps of all the Beatles shot twice in the back, rest to rush
to Roosevelt Hospital Dead on Arrival.
Oh my God, I can't imagine what it was like to be watching that.
I know time. That would be insane.
And it's just Don't care. Like the end of the game was
playing. They're just like yeah, it
doesn't matter. Yeah.
So apparently like Mark Chapman after he shot.
He even give him attention. But, you know, it is.
You wonder like, why did he do that?
Um, I know about The Catcher in the Rye.
Yeah. The cops asked?
Do you realize what you just did and he said yeah, I just killed
myself. I am John Lennon.
Very creepy that is so creepy. I know.
So, apparently he was angry that John would we kind of said
earlier that? He would like preach love and
peace. Yeah and millions of dollars.
Chapman said, he told us to imagine no possessions and there
he was with millions of dollars and Yachts and farms and Country
Estates laughing at people, like me who had believed in the lies
and bought the records and built a big part of their lives around
the music. He also recalled having listened
to Lennon solo music in the weeks before the murder.
And he said, I would listen to this music and I would get angry
at him for saying, in the song God that he didn't believe in
God, that he just believed in him and you, Go and he didn't
believe in the beetles that this was another thing.
That angered me, even though this Becker had been done at
least 10 years previously, I just wanted to scream out loud
who does he think he is saying these things about God and
having in the Beatles saying that he doesn't believe in Jesus
and things like that. That point my mind was going
through a total Blackness of anger and rage.
So I brought the Lenin book home into this Catcher in the Rye
milieu where my mindset is Holden Caulfield and anti
phoniness. Because yeah, if you guys
haven't read Catcher in the Rye like Holden is.
So disturbed by phoniness in the world.
He hates phonies. Yeah.
Like - and I always thought like, oh, I mean, it's weird,
like JD Salinger how much I must suck that.
Like, I know, accidentally inspired this.
You know what I mean? Yeah, I'm tingling Beatles, like
The White Album unintentionally. Inspiring Charles Manson to
murder. Yeah, exactly.
I mean but honestly, as soon as I do, wonder if people would
have found a way anyway. Give that's just an excuse but
also I think of like Qatar in the right.
I've been so long since I read that but isn't the phoniness
kind of like like a Holden's entire personality.
Just A coping mechanism to deal with the fact that like he's
like in deep grief over the loss of his brother.
Yeah. Yeah I mean it's like total
misreading. I think it's like just insane
that that's the message you would.
Yeah exactly kill people. Yeah, not at all.
Oh what was the point of the book every day?
Yeah, this guy sounds like an idiot and crazy.
Yeah, he was obviously insane. So what so did he just ask for
an autograph to like, add like more?
I don't know. I mean, maybe he thought, maybe
he's said this. Like, I'm sorry, I don't have
the information, but maybe he thought.
Like he wanted to change his mind or something or like he was
a huge fan. But yeah, also wanted to Tell me
like it's just bizarre. That's so sad and I feel like my
heart is broken for yoga. I think of like I don't know
when you ever have a nightmare something and something terrible
happens and you like get a do-over by waking up and like
she like, I know, instant their entire life and change, it's so
sad. I mean, she was an artist and
musician to and stuff, but like I feel like John was her life in
a big way, like So much of her life was John.
Yeah, it's just insane and they have their little boy like and
he was so young, right? Yeah, he was apparently he woke
up to reporters outside his home.
He knew something had happened and Ringo called his ex-wife.
Cynthia to tell her what happened, oh my God, apparently
Mark Chapman had planned for months months to do it.
Like it was really premeditated and he also had planned to kill
Paul. Me Johnny, Carson.
Those are the Taylor. Jackie Kennedy, girl, Reagan and
a few others. Oh my God.
How does he thinks gonna do all? I know, I guess.
Like we do one big pot. You idiot.
You're just not giving advice but like how did he think
shooting him in front of people? He was gonna be able to then do
a bunch of other celebrity. Yeah, that's crazy.
It's just insane. They do say that because like,
you know, how he said I killed myself, did you say a lot of
people that do stuff like this? If they are like suicidal.
Mmm. Yeah.
Because obviously, you don't really care what happens to you
after that, it's fucked up, weird thing to how I said, James
Taylor like heard it and she apparently, the day before this
happened, Mark Chapman accosted James Taylor on the 72nd, Street
subway station, that's so we I know Taylor said the guy had
sort of pin me to the wall. Almost glistening with manacle
sweat, and talking, some freak, speak about who's going to do
and his stuff with how John was in.
Didn't I was going to get in touch with John Lennon.
That is crazy. You know, I know I mean we live
in New York City and I never see celebrities so rarely, so
someone, yeah. Sorry, wrong, you saw Shailene
Woodley, but that's crazy. You know that like days apart?
I think he was just like hanging out.
Mmm. Like doing nothing.
Just on the street. Waiting to see people.
Yeah, that makes sense. So yeah, it you know that's how
John Nichols wasn't intended. It's very sad.
Since then mean you don't, you'll go still makes music.
She still does a lot of things. I actually don't know anything
about like her love life. I didn't look into it.
I should have but well like we said, we have tunnel vision.
Yeah. It's couples just about them.
You know, we're not doing their whole all the relationships, but
She's she still has like the same philosophy of seem piece
thing. She's on Twitter now.
And in this year, June 18th, I just found this random tweet,
but I thought it was just kind of like Charming that she's like
this name because she tweeted change will happen.
Don't try to use World changer, head World.
Peace will instantly ran over us as we change our heads, and it
will be done. You don't even have to lift our
fingers. We just use our wits, which is
all we had. She's so sweet.
She is. And she she's done a lot of like
philanthropic work sheet from of topic work.
She funded the strawberry Field section in Central Park.
Oh wow. She founded the Imagine peace
Tower and Iceland which guess I'm going to see because I'm
fine, I'm going to Iceland Zoom. Yeah, it's like this these beams
of light that shines in the air but it's actually run on
geothermal power. So it's like eco-friendly and it
has Pete. Imagine piece written in like
everything. She's donated to many Charities,
like disaster relief in Japan and the Philippines.
And every other year, fifty thousand dollar, grant for
peace, she co-founded the group Artists Against fracking and yet
she continues to make music of yoga.
Oh no. Paul McCartney said.
I thought she was a cold woman. I think that's wrong.
She's just the opposite. I think she's just more
determined the most people to be herself.
That's really sweet. It seems like they are in
contact with each other. If I'm not me.
Yeah. I think they are.
They are they did have like a TIF I mean I don't know I feel
bad that I just had this very nice thing and then because two
years after that oh no. Oh publicly compared John Lennon
to Wolfgang? Amadeus Mozart.
And then she said Paul McCartney was more like his last talented
Bible. Antonio salieri.
And this infuriated Paul McCartney's wife Linda yeah
who's dying from France breast cancer all the time and when
Linda died McCartney did not invite.
Yo go to the memorial service. Yeah I mean it's fine.
It's sad it's always a little drama but I do think that I
think that Yoko and Ringo and Paul are like on good terms and
they do talk and stuff. Yeah.
And I know Paul's tried to have like a relationship with her and
there's like this whole story about how she at first said,
like I don't because he contacted her and said like I
would think John would want us to still be in each other's
lives. Yeah she said something like I
don't want your pity like you shouldn't call me just because
you feel like you should and then he's was like you're right.
Um but I would like to be in your life and so I think they
are. It sounds like Paul he's like oh
Is going out of his way to do things for John's.
Even still like know I love and he really cares about not just
dumb but like the people that like mad to John.
Hmm like his kids yeah. Like even like I've seen a cover
of like I'm seeing beautiful boys and getting all choked up.
Also I have to say I guess Yoko had kind of a difficult
relationship with Julian. Mmm, John's son with Cynthia but
their relationship has improved over the years.
I guess. Jillian was like disappointed
about her. Oh, her handling of Lenin's of
State because apparently he was left out of his father's will.
That's awful. You know, and I don't know how
that happened. Yeah, it's not have one or
something. I don't know how that happened,
but he battled Yogo in court for years.
Oh my God, I'm in 1996 for an unspecified amount which the
media reported was believed to be in the area of 20 million
pounds, which Julian has denied. So I don't know.
And he also said, Julian said, dad gave up music for a couple
of years to be with Sean. Why couldn't he do that with me?
Yeah, I'd imagine. That is so heartbreaking.
It's sad. I mean there's a lot that goes
into it though. I Obviously, John was younger
when he had Julian. I'm not giving making that an
excuse me. Like usually people.
Yeah. And he was still in the beetle.
Yeah. Exactly probably wasn't gonna do
that. It is really sad but obviously
he found probably a maturity later on had nothing to do with
Julian but that's heartbreaking and it's kind of not a good look
on Yoko. That like, why is she even
battling with Julie? I know like I feel like if I was
in her situation and be like this is John son.
I Him to be taken care of. And I would hope that John would
have wanted Julian to have no some money as well.
I don't know what her argument would.
Ya look into it? Maybe she felt like some of it
was hers or something because she did albums with him like I
do. As of a couple of years ago, I
don't know if she's still does, but maybe she does.
She still lived or lives in Dakota?
Oh, where he was shot outside. I had no idea but she said
something like that was our home.
Only John like she didn't want to leave it today.
It said that she's withdrawn from public life but she does
still make someone parents. Yeah, I think I've seen her.
She makes like dance music today.
Oh, She must be really old though.
Yeah, she's 89. Wow.
And, um, her son. Sean makes music today.
He's on a song with Lana Del Rey.
He looks a lot like, John that he does, and it's usually it's
just like him too. Yeah, I know makes me sad.
She's 89. You know, like how much time
looks really good for her age, she does she does.
So that's basically what I have. That's ano KO Z.
I feel like I learned so much me to it's correct.
It's so dramatic. Yeah, it's crazy.
It's so sad. Do you think if he was alive
today, they'd still be together? I, I do kind, I mean, I don't
know it's tough to say but the journey would have been like if
they would have just been together this whole entire time
with absolutely no more drama or whatever, but I don't know, I
can't really picture them both being like a live in the
Together in a way. I agree.
I mean, it's an unfair question for sure.
It's probably a little offensive.
Sorry. But I do think they really seem
like, I think they really did deeply loved each other.
I don't know what the weekend was last weekend.
I don't know. I I mean they were in contact
the whole time. Yes.
I don't I don't think John ever Stopped Loving Her.
Hmm. But it seemed like he had
issues. Yeah, yeah.
Very, very intense love for each other.
That's true. Do you think they were a love at
first sight upon meeting in that art gallery.
I kind of think they were. Yeah, they were.
Wow, your site. When you think about it, too.
It's like I mean this is why life I think is so magical like
this. You know, was that their manager
just arranged for them to go? Yes.
A little event. Yeah.
They didn't even know why they were going.
Yeah. It's like that's like fate.
You know, it's like something just brings you somewhere where
you're supposed to be at the exact right time for a memo.
The person that you're going to fall in love with, it's crazy.
It's interesting. Now when you listen to music you
can think about all this. Yeah.
Give you some perspective. Resin piece John mmm wasn't
three hours. One hour 52 right right I'm shy.
No just flew through. Oh my god.
Well when I record an episode and not the next one with the
one after that. Yeah.
Can I say what it is? I think that will still be three
hours, I'm excited. I hope not.
But so we have a fun one planned, for our next episode.
30. And Kelly is also in the
driver's seat for that. Yep.
Do you want it? Give a tease of what that one
will be. Oh gosh, I didn't I didn't think
of anything. Um, this is a relationship from
the 90s, And not a lot is known about it.
But everyone knows a song about it.
That might be different way too much a little obvious.
Okay, so I say, no, let's keep that.
I'm sure there's a few people who don't get it.
Yeah, probably. Yeah, I'm excited on peeps.
Listening. Huh.
Wow. My first episode lot
information. Yeah but it was so much fun.
I know I didn't know so much and I didn't know any of that
teaching stuff. No, I just crazy Diamond.
I still haven't been to the Central Park, like the Imagine
thing. Oh yeah.
I've been there once before. Is that near the Dakota think
it's okay. Mystics.
I've like been in that area but yeah, I'm do it.
I was also thinking as well until I go back to it, but the
idea of yoga still living in the building, all those years that
must have been really traumatic. Actually, just still walk
outside. I know where he died.
Yeah. Well I guess he didn't die there
where he was shot. Mmm, that'd be really scary.
I don't know how she got through that and maybe I guess, like,
just continuing to live there, like, desensitize is her to it
rather than like, if she were to leave and come back.
Yeah, true maybe. Hmm.
I remember because I studied abroad in London, my friend
Lisa. And I went to their apartment in
London and we stood outside of it and played happy Xmas War's
over outloud interested. And we went to Liverpool to,
hey, Lisa. If you're listening, it's funny
because I feel like I'm such a bigger Beatles fan now than I
was when I went to Liverpool. Yeah.
Like I didn't even know anything when I went there.
Yeah. I feel like you have become such
a bigger fan, the past few years.
I have, I wanted to like I remember being like, Oh, I wanna
get some books but I don't want to learn more.
And then I like finally did. Yeah, Charlie's would get into
them so that helps I don't love that Christmas song.
Happy Xmas. Oh really Yeah, you know, I
prefer it actually to Simply. Oh Paul's it makes me think of
like the shoe department being a man, know how creative you have
to be to come up with a new grid.
Oh, I know catches on, I wish you'd Sean, my brother and I
were actually saying this the other day, if you write a
Christmas You are set for life like it will play every single
year. It's not that easy.
No, because a lot of the hits have been around forever.
Yeah. New ones people make.
They just don't stick know, I would say the most recent one to
stick was is Kelly Clarkson's one that's like I don't even
know if I know that. Okay.
I can't think of Melody or the lyrics right now but I know she
has it. It's like a done Anna.
I don't know the song. You know what I mean?
Yeah Dad I don't know if I know it.
I think if you heard it you ain't no.
I always want Coldplay's Christmas lights to be bigger.
All I know it's too late. I mean it's not going to be like
popular now but I mean like it's not going to become a classic
nass. Yeah could be but I just wish it
was bigger. I feel like that's a really good
song. It's I love but it doesn't
really get played. Much fana.
Tell me, isn't that Ariana Grande so I don't know.
I wouldn't say that. That's it.
I don't know that one. It's like Justin Bieber has a
Christmas but again, I don't know.
But I do think that Kelly Clarkson was like Dad and I
know. Oh wait you he's like you're
here to die. Yeah.
Okay.
I think I know what. Yeah, oh yeah.
Such Bibles Paul and John their Christmas song.
Yeah. I wonder what it feels like to
be George and Ringo. It's, you know, you're never on
that lovely. I think Ringo was pretty chill
with it. I love ring.
I didn't really talk about him much in this episode but he's
just so funny. But I think George It was a
little disgruntled by it. Mmm, little bit.
So upon John's death to the Beatles.
Have any type of like coming together.
I'm assuming all three of them went to the funeral and
everything, I'm not sure to be honest.
Oh, but there is that famous footage of Paul reacting?
I'm saying is a drag, the yeah. But if you so like, if you guys
don't know, there's like all this controversy because it was
quoted the All said, it was a drag than John was murdered.
But if you actually watch the video, you can tell he's like
annoyed and like, being sarcastic.
Kind of. Yeah.
Exactly. And when people just find out
news like that, like they're in shock.
So he's just kind of being like, yeah, what do you think?
Like it's drag like yeah, I'm not sure.
I'm not I'm not total expert yet.
I'm not not there yet. Yeah, but I'm on my way, I would
like to get a degree and beetles knowledge.
Random facts. Well, there's like a workout
like museums. Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Oh yeah, that year that month blah blah blah blah.
Yeah no. I don't know why I find it.
So interesting. Well, thank you guys for
listening. It was a wild ride.
Thank you so much. Thank you God, for leading that
episode. That was a big one that took so
much research. So love you guys love.
You catch us next time. Bye, your heart.