1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,800 Are you alone? Come tonight. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:16,520 Do you miss me tonight? Are you sorry we rested apart? 3 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,240 Does your man all right? Hello everybody. 4 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,560 Welcome to significant lovers. Welcome back. 5 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:31,040 This is a true love podcast. Yes, the opposite of true crime. 6 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:38,160 We are investigating the love lives and dating history of 7 00:00:38,160 --> 00:00:40,360 people in history and pop culture. 8 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,440 And we are two cousins. My name is Mel and I'm Kel. 9 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:51,200 Yeah, Kel is leading today's episode and she's going to teach 10 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,440 us all about what couple are we talking today, Kel? 11 00:00:55,040 --> 00:01:00,120 We are talking about the one and only Lena Dunham and Jack 12 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,879 Antonoff and Mel. I don't want to freak you out, 13 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:12,520 but I think I may be the voice of my generation, or at least a 14 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:18,240 voice of a generation. Yes, Lena Dunham. 15 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,160 She's so controversial. Some people hate her. 16 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,880 I know, so don't hate us. Don't hate us. 17 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:32,080 Honestly, what? We are sympathetic to Lena 18 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:36,520 Dunham. I love Lena Dunham, and if 19 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:41,120 anyone doesn't know who she or Jack are, Lena Dunham is a 20 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,760 writer, director, and sometimes actor. 21 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:49,800 She created the HBO show Girls, which was on In The 20 Tens. 22 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,080 Such a great show. It's my favorite show of all 23 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:54,960 time. It's always some other things 24 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,440 like the show camping and she had a movie called Sharp Stick 25 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,960 like last year. I never saw it, but I do want to 26 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,360 see it. And then Jack Antonoff, he was 27 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,280 in the band fun. You guys probably know that 28 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,479 band. We are young some nights, you 29 00:02:09,479 --> 00:02:12,320 know. And then he was in and still is 30 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:16,200 in the band, I guess, but it's kind of just him, bleachers. 31 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,040 And he's also a famous music producer working with people 32 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,960 like Taylor Swift. Gotta mention her every episode. 33 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,840 Lana Del Rey, Lord, Lord, we're going to talk about her later. 34 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,160 Saint Vincent Claro, lots of people. 35 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,720 So they're both, I would say, very talented people. 36 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,400 I'm so excited to learn about this couple. 37 00:02:38,920 --> 00:02:40,560 I had a lot of fun researching this. 38 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:45,040 I felt like I was on I love the 20 Tens or something. 39 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,240 Do you remember the show? I love the 80s or I love the 40 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,360 90s. Yeah, just also because we're in 41 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,440 the middle of Ariana Grande and Pete Davidson, I just feel like, 42 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,120 so immersed in this specific time. 43 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,000 Like 2014, 2015. I don't know. 44 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,800 I was a huge, huge, huge fan of girls and I made so many people 45 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,000 watch it. Literally, because I had it on 46 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,640 DVD, I would just put it on and would always tell people you can 47 00:03:13,640 --> 00:03:16,080 watch season one in five hours, just do it. 48 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:17,960 You can watch it in five hours, which is true. 49 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,320 So I'm excited to talk about them. 50 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,880 But yeah, they are, they are. She is quite controversial. 51 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:31,560 People love to hate Lena Dunham. They do, and I can understand. 52 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,280 But I almost feel like, never mind. 53 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:35,600 I was going to say that. I just feel like. 54 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,680 Say, I don't know how I feel like the reason why people don't 55 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:45,960 like her is partially because of like headlines of things that 56 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,760 people haven't really looked that too far into. 57 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:54,480 And she says a lot of things that are taken out of context or 58 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,760 like are obviously a joke. But then people take it very 59 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,960 seriously and a lot of it like to is her artistic style with 60 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,080 her show how she's like. I think I might be the voice of 61 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,560 my generation, or a voice of a generation. 62 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,480 Her character on Girls is supposed to be annoying and 63 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:17,120 real, but people people are a little bit too critical of her 64 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,240 because of her characters, I think. 65 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:23,040 So narcissism, and I think that she does put a lot of herself 66 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,640 into girls, but she isn't Hannah Horvath. 67 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,520 Literally. I mean, yeah, And and even if 68 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,480 that is her, it comes from a place of self-awareness and that 69 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,680 everybody. Has really annoying qualities 70 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,880 about them. Lena is fascinating because on 71 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,640 the one hand she seems so self aware and then other times not 72 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:49,440 at all. And I I I feel like Lena Dunham 73 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,680 has also come to represent like white feminism in general, and 74 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,240 so that's obviously why people are annoyed by her. 75 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,960 But I hate to say this, but I think also part of the reason 76 00:04:59,960 --> 00:05:02,680 why people don't like her is. Kind of what I was talking about 77 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,160 with Lizzo a couple episodes back is that because she defies 78 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:10,600 beauty standards to people are a lot more willing to get annoyed 79 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,760 by her for the things that she says. 80 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,000 Taylor Swift is like a white feminist, but because she's 81 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,480 beautiful and everything and they're good friends, people 82 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,040 aren't going to get as annoyed by her. 83 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,720 So, and to anyone who doesn't know, I mean, I think what you 84 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,320 mean by white feminist is not just someone who's literally 85 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,960 white and a feminist, but like somebody that their feminism 86 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,280 only really applies to white women, right? 87 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,240 Yes, yeah. Yeah, I know. 88 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,680 I I do think that I don't understand why Lena became like 89 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:45,320 the face of that. I agree that her show probably 90 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:50,160 should have had more people of color, but I don't know why she 91 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,360 was targeted as like, the only showrunner that did that. 92 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,640 Because there's still TV shows today that are pretty much all 93 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,240 white people. And definitely in 2012, there 94 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,320 were so many shows that were the main characters were white 95 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:03,720 people. So I just don't really get why 96 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:09,040 she was the scapegoat for like all racism in TV, you know? 97 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,560 And like that one guy was a young woman and a little 98 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,320 overweight. And I think a lot of people were 99 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,480 jealous of her success because she was literally 24 when she 100 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,160 wrote and directed that show. And I I do think Lena, even 101 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:24,000 though I do really like her, I do think that she tries to 102 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:29,200 please people. And that's where she kind of 103 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:30,680 puts her foot in her mouth sometimes. 104 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:36,840 Like she she's trying so hard to please people and be like really 105 00:06:36,840 --> 00:06:39,160 progressive and woke. And then she seems like a 106 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:40,960 hypocrite when she's not, You know what I mean? 107 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,640 Yeah, exactly. And that's why I feel like she 108 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,360 gets a lot of hate. But again, like what you were 109 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:49,280 saying, with her being so young and a showrunner, it's just a 110 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:54,440 shame because there's so few women directors, women producers 111 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,280 in Hollywood that it makes me sad when the. 112 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:02,040 Criticism and expectations on them is so much more significant 113 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,320 because they're held to a different standard. 114 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,080 We can't just celebrate that this young woman is in charge of 115 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,240 her show. Like, we're going to give her 116 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,840 criticism that, like you said, so many other people are guilty 117 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,520 of, too. But like, all of it is coming 118 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,440 down a lot harder on her. Yeah. 119 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,240 And I mean, she was approached to make a show that was based on 120 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,680 her short films she had made, which were like based on her own 121 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:28,680 life. So it was very like 122 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,800 autobiographical. So that's what she was. 123 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,240 That's how she got the job to make a show, like about her 124 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,000 experiences. So that's how the show turned 125 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:40,800 out. You know what I mean? 126 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:41,920 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. 127 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,320 She's writing from her own experience, which is obviously 128 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,840 limited to that. To put simply, Lena Dunham is 129 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:53,080 very controversial, but she did have a romance with Jack 130 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:58,600 Antonoff that I think is nice for a time, but very, very 131 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:03,200 interesting and the ending is a bit mysterious so. 132 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,280 I love the song You Are In Love by Taylor Swift and she said she 133 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,880 wrote that inspired by Lena Dunham and Jack Antonoff's 134 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:12,240 relationship. I know. 135 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,520 I saw that. We should all just go listen to 136 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,960 that after. OK, Well, should I get into 137 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:19,760 this? Yeah. 138 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:25,640 OK. 3 words I would use to describe Jack and Lena are 139 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:37,400 neurotic, caring, sweet and sad. It was making me a bit sad. 140 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,600 I think it's a fun episode, but it it's a bit sad too. 141 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,960 OK, so backstories, Who are they? 142 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,080 Jack Antonoff. I'm going to start with him 143 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:51,880 because he's older. He was born March 31st, 1984 to 144 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:56,800 a Jewish family in Bergenfield, NJ, just north of New York City. 145 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:02,800 He grew up in New Milford and Woodcliff Lake, NJ, so I guess 146 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,040 they moved around a couple times. 147 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,400 He is very proud of New Jersey. Oh yeah, take a drink. 148 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,400 I still need to make that graphic thing. 149 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,080 He didn't move around as much as some other people, though. 150 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,760 He is very proud of New Jersey. He's written a lot about it and 151 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:22,240 his music, and Bruce Springsteen was always a huge inspiration of 152 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:23,480 his. But in high school, he actually 153 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,400 commuted to school in Manhattan. Jack was the middle kid, He had 154 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,320 two sisters. His older sister Rachel Antonoff 155 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,920 is now a fashion designer, and her clothes are actually really 156 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,760 cool. I went on her website and wanted 157 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,680 to buy them, but they're like $300.00. 158 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,320 Oh, wow. They're talented family. 159 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,560 Yeah, very talented family. And really tragically, his 160 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:48,200 younger sister Sarah actually died of brain cancer when she 161 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,160 was 13 years old. That's awful. 162 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:53,760 I didn't know that. I didn't either, actually. 163 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,800 And it was when Jack was a senior in high school. 164 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:58,920 And. My gosh, yeah. 165 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,840 I think that this is the defining moment in Jack's life 166 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:08,160 that he always goes back to. And yeah, he said that 167 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,720 everything in his career has been the reaction to that. 168 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,120 Losing her All the anything in his lyrics about sadness, I 169 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:18,240 think is about losing Sarah and I feel so bad for their family. 170 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,760 That's terrible. So young. 171 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,160 So young. I I mean, I just can't imagine 172 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,120 being in high school. And that happens. 173 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,440 I know it's not supposed to. No. 174 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:34,080 No it's not. I saw a video of he was giving a 175 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:39,400 tour of him and Lena's apartment and he had a big picture of her, 176 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,720 like right in the center of the room above the mantle. 177 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,120 I guess so. Yeah, they're sweet. 178 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:49,520 But around I I don't know if it was right after this or around 179 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,920 the same time. Jack was in a lot of bands in 180 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,480 high school. He was super into music. 181 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,720 He plays a lot of instruments, guitar, drums, piano, bass, 182 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,640 mandolin. He's definitely very smart when 183 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,680 it comes to music. I watched this video of him 184 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:07,520 producing song one of Lana's songs and I didn't understand 185 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,840 anything he was saying. So he's very knowledgeable about 186 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,880 that. But he was first in the band 187 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,520 outline when he was in high school and they actually did all 188 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,560 right. They toured, they played in 189 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:22,160 Florida and Texas and they drove around in Jack's parents 190 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,000 minivan. And from 2001 to 2002, he 191 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,960 actually dated Scarlett Johansson. 192 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,480 I didn't know that. Yes, they went to the same high 193 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,040 school. What? 194 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:33,520 They were high school sweetheart. 195 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:35,480 I guess so. Oh my. 196 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,920 God, isn't that crazy? Wow. 197 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,720 We have to cover them, you know. I don't know how much 198 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,400 information there is about them, but. 199 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,440 Probably not. That's crazy. 200 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,240 What are the odds that they would both become famous? 201 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,000 I know. Well, I think they went to like 202 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,360 a performing arts school. Yeah, you know. 203 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,680 So pretty high, but still wow, this will come up later. 204 00:11:55,680 --> 00:11:59,920 But you know, Lena gets a lot of criticism for her looks and 205 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,440 being overweight when she's on Girls, and I just think it's 206 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,520 crazy that he's, His ex is Scarlett Johansson. 207 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,080 Yeah. One of the most conventionally 208 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:12,400 attractive. Yeah. 209 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,200 Women in the whole world. Yes. 210 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,720 Regarded as the most one of the most traditionally beautiful. 211 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:22,440 Yeah, crazy. And then in 2002, him and his 212 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,800 friends formed a new band called Steel Train. 213 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:29,760 And OK, this is random, but this is the band that Evan Winiker 214 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:34,400 was in, which is the guy that Lana was rumoured to be engaged 215 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,920 to. But I don't know if that's even 216 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,920 true anymore, or what the deal is with that, or if she even 217 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,120 really knows him. But well, she definitely knows 218 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:48,040 him. But I think he's still Jack and 219 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,960 Evan are still friends to this day, so that's nice. 220 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,680 Steel Train was popular in the jam band circuit. 221 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:56,240 They had a record deal, but I guess things fizzled out. 222 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:01,840 And then in 2008, Nate Roos and Andrew Dost, who were formerly 223 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,480 in another band. They asked Jack Antonoff to join 224 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,840 them in the band Fun and they already all knew each other from 225 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,440 touring and just seeing each other in other bands. 226 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:18,400 Tonight we are young, fun with a period. 227 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,280 No explanation, Mark, Right. No, it's a period. 228 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,520 So weird. I don't know if this makes me 229 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:31,120 old fashioned or something, but I don't really like it when 230 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,200 bands have punctuation symbols or yeah, punctuation or 231 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:36,760 lowercase. I don't know. 232 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,600 You know what? I feel you like pink. 233 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:42,120 How pink is like pink with the exclamation mark instead of an 234 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:43,920 eye. Like just Nah. 235 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,440 Yeah, it makes it weird in print. 236 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,480 Yeah, it doesn't always work. I know. 237 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:58,400 Anyway, Fun was very successful, but they only had two albums, 238 00:13:58,680 --> 00:14:02,200 Aim and Ignite and then some nights in 2012 which had a lot 239 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,560 of hits. Like we said, we are young, some 240 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:08,480 nights carry on. Yeah, they were huge and they 241 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,800 could have been like on top of the world, but I don't really 242 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:15,040 know what happened to them. They went on a hiatus and never 243 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:19,800 came back. People go on a reunion tour, 244 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,480 maybe. Jack is too big. 245 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,920 Yeah, Jack is. He really doesn't need fun 246 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,400 anymore. No, he wasn't even that famous 247 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,720 in fun. Yeah 'cause Nate was the lead 248 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,600 singer. Yeah, he was the guy from Fun. 249 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,080 Yeah. And actually, when him and Lena 250 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,320 first start dating, that's what the articles are like. 251 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,560 They're like Lena Dunham dating the guy from fun. 252 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,920 Yeah. Interestingly, Nate Ruse went on 253 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,880 to date Jack's sister Rachel, older sister Rachel for several 254 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,400 years, but they broke up, so I don't know if that could have 255 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,640 influenced the band to. Oh, maybe. 256 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,360 Well, that's a dynamic that we haven't really explored before 257 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,080 when people date their friend's sibling. 258 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,880 True, I know that. Can make things messy. 259 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,440 I mean, people don't really know what happened with them, but 260 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:13,280 everyone speculates that there was a little bad blood between 261 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:17,320 Nate and Jack, so I don't know what happened and. 262 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,160 Interesting. This is random too, but just 263 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:21,480 shows that everything is connected. 264 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,320 Now Nate is married to Charlotte Ronson, Samantha Ronson's 265 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:29,400 sister. Who we covered Yes. 266 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,600 In the Lindsay Lohan and Samantha Ronson episode. 267 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,880 And Charlotte Ronson is also a fashion designer. 268 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,680 So oh. My God, I guess that guy just 269 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,840 likes fashion designers. Really specific. 270 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,360 Yeah, wait, that is weird. It happened twice, yeah. 271 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:50,880 So yeah, fun ended. Some people speculate that Jack 272 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:55,120 was never all in for fun, that he was initially 60% steel 273 00:15:55,120 --> 00:16:02,280 train, 40% fun, then it became 60% fun, 40% bleachers, and Nate 274 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,440 wanted him to be 100. But that's just fan speculation. 275 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,520 He seems like a workaholic. Oh yeah, he he definitely does. 276 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,760 I can't even believe how much stuff he does. 277 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,040 Yeah, he has his hands in everything. 278 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,000 Yeah, 'cause he he's on the one hand working on his own music. 279 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,800 Then he's also like, Oh yeah, I'm working on the Taylor album, 280 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:25,240 working on the Claro album. They're working with everybody. 281 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,160 I know everybody. It's getting crazy. 282 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:29,760 Yeah. So then he's been doing 283 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,160 bleachers as well, which I really like. 284 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,080 And he's said that it's very inspired by suburban youth and 285 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:42,000 John Hughes movies. Oh, it's been said that Jack is 286 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:46,520 a germaphobe. And despite living in New York 287 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,360 City for a very long time, he hasn't rode the subway since 288 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:55,040 2001 because of the germs. So he drives everywhere in New 289 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,920 York, and he covers his hand with his sleeves to open doors. 290 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,560 So he's he's like a real hardcore germaphobe. 291 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,599 Yeah, it almost sounds like to the point where it could be 292 00:17:04,599 --> 00:17:10,000 annoying. Yeah, he seems very polite, but 293 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,400 also I would think someone being, I don't know why. 294 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,480 Imagine someone that's a germaphobe is kind of uptight, 295 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,240 but he also. He also is apparently a reckless 296 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,119 driver and had horrible grades in high school. 297 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,920 It's kind of hard to read. He lived at home until he was 28 298 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,160 due to touring with bands, so he was never really home anyway. 299 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:36,000 And he seems simultaneously very optimistic, but also kind of 300 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,480 down about the world to saying things like fuck that, you know, 301 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:41,760 hate that about the world, you know? 302 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,760 I feel like he always says stuff like that, but he's very loyal, 303 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:46,760 caring. He seems like a very patient 304 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:51,800 person, and Lorde has described him as one of the weirdest 305 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,160 people she's ever met. And that he dresses like a 306 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:59,880 scumbag. OK, I copied you with the quotes 307 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,000 from other people. All right? 308 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:07,960 Now, Lena Dunham. Oh my goodness was born May 309 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:12,560 13th, 1986. She was born in New York City, 310 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,360 so not not that far from Jack Ingnoff. 311 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:20,440 Her father, Carol Dunham is a painter and her mother, Laurie 312 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:24,880 Simmons is a photographer. So this was a very, very 313 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,600 artistic household. She has younger sibling Cyrus. 314 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,120 Her father is Protestant, mother, Jewish, and she grew up 315 00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:35,400 feeling culturally Jewish and later in life connected more to 316 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,000 Judaism. So her and Jack have that in 317 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,600 common. Lena has said that she was 318 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,080 bullied as a kid, things like kids pushing her down and would 319 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,240 count how long it took for her to stand up. 320 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,240 She said that she felt very much like a loser. 321 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:54,600 And in 7th grade she transferred schools to, I think she went to 322 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,360 a kind of a hippie, I don't know, experimental type of 323 00:18:58,360 --> 00:19:00,760 school before this. And then she transferred to 324 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,400 Saint Anne's School in Brooklyn, and that's where she met Jemima 325 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,760 Kirk, who plays Jessa on girls, and that's where they became 326 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,840 friends. I think she's so cool. 327 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:17,520 Lena was diagnosed with OCD as a child and continued to take a 328 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:23,600 low dose of Klonopin until 2018. And she has also, her whole life 329 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,040 suffered from endometriosis, which will be a big part of this 330 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,480 story. So I think a lot of the stuff in 331 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,360 Girls about Hannah having OCD, with the repetition and 332 00:19:33,360 --> 00:19:36,320 everything, I think that's from Lena's real life. 333 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,920 If you guys saw that. She briefly attended the New 334 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,880 School University in New York, and then she transferred to 335 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,080 Oberlin College in Ohio, which is where the girls went on the 336 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,680 show Girls and she studied creative writing in college. 337 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,200 She produced several short films which were on YouTube, and I 338 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,360 don't know if they're still there, but actually watched one 339 00:19:56,360 --> 00:19:59,760 of them back in the day and I liked it. 340 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:05,640 She launched a web series in 2007 called Tight Shots. 341 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,040 On the website nerve.com and then after graduating she 342 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,840 returned to her parents house in New York and she continued to 343 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,440 try to make films while she was babysitting and she wrote for 344 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,000 the Onion in the AV Club. That would be interesting to 345 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,920 find her articles from that. Oh, I know. 346 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:24,320 I wonder if they're still out there. 347 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,320 She then wrote, directed and starred in a film called 348 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:32,200 Creative Nonfiction in 2009, and that was actually shown at South 349 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,280 by Southwest. And then her and a friend 350 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:40,360 created a web series called Delusional Downtown Divas, also 351 00:20:40,360 --> 00:20:43,920 in 2009. Then she wrote, directed and 352 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:49,080 starred in another DIY film, Tiny Furniture, which stars 353 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,680 Jemima Kirk, AKA Jessa from Girls. 354 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,040 This was also at South by Southwest, and this is kind of 355 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,160 the film that made her successful because then it was 356 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:03,160 picked up by IFC Films and it received a wider theatrical 357 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,720 release, probably like in New York. 358 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:10,280 And Judd Apatow, the director and producer, saw the film and 359 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,480 approached Lena about developing ATV show for cable channel HBO. 360 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,080 So that's how it happened. That's so impressive. 361 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,240 You know what I was thinking of as you're talking about Lena 362 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,000 Dunham? I thought a lot of the people 363 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,480 who I know who are very critical of Lena Dunham. 364 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,760 Especially because I went to a school, a school called Emerson 365 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,760 College, which is really liberal. 366 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,720 It's performing arts school people. 367 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,840 They're very, yeah, film school people there are very outspoken, 368 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,920 but a lot of the people who hate Lena Dunham are people who 369 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,680 ironically are very similar to her. 370 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,280 I almost feel like it comes from a sense of self hatred because 371 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,440 people, it's like they're critical of her because. 372 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,240 They're annoyed by the parts about themselves that remind 373 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,560 them of Lena Dunham or something like, I don't know, no, I can 374 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,520 totally. See that different from her? 375 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,920 And I think sometimes we get jealous of people that are so 376 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,560 outspoken and just doing whatever the heck we they want 377 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,480 because we feel like, wait a second, I I'm not allowed to do 378 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:13,880 that. Really. 379 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,920 I feel like I'm not allowed or I wouldn't do that. 380 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,440 How can you do that? So I don't know. 381 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,120 I do think a lot of people were probably jealous of her success. 382 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,720 Again, like women being held to such a high standard of 383 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,400 perfectionism. Yeah. 384 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,400 And like, because she's outspoken and she cares about 385 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,800 some causes and she's vocal about them. 386 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,080 But obviously, as her blind spots, people just want to 387 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:47,480 villainize her completely rather than accept that people are not 388 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,720 perfect. According to her book, Not That 389 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,080 Kind of girl. It seems like Lena had a couple 390 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,000 of boyfriends before Jack. A few casual counters too, 391 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,400 although she didn't lose her virginity until sophomore year 392 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,080 of college. Sorry Lena, I hope that's not 393 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:09,680 weird, but you said it. That's a respectable age. 394 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,440 Yeah. I mean, wait, never mind. 395 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,200 Well, I don't want to say any age is not respectable, but it's 396 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,440 a normal. I think that's the average age. 397 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,760 I feel like in most TV shows and such, they act like everybody 398 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,680 has sex in high school and that always kind of bothered me. 399 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:27,840 I remember. I remember. 400 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:32,640 Do as much I know I was going to say, I remember being upset on 401 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:37,880 Degrassi when the last virgin on the show had sex, 'cause I was 402 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,760 like, I don't know what the heck, everybody had sex. 403 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,000 That's honestly, that's pretty unrealistic. 404 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,040 It's normal not to don't if you're a teenager listening, 405 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,880 don't. Don't feel bad. 406 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,200 But I think that that storyline on Girls were Shoshanna. 407 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,360 She almost sleeps with a guy and then she tells him that she's a 408 00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:58,240 virgin and then he doesn't want to anymore. 409 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,960 That pretty much happened in real life to Lena. 410 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,920 It's in her book. Oh wow. 411 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,600 Yeah, a lot. A lot of the show is from her 412 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,240 life, it seems. But yeah, she had been dating 413 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,600 someone. I don't know who, but then it 414 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,920 ended. And then then Jack and Lena met 415 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,400 April 2012. They were set up on a blind 416 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,280 date. Well, as much of A blind date as 417 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,800 it could be, because I think they're pretty famous already, 418 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:33,080 but set up by either Jack's sister Rachel Antonov, or his 419 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,840 friend, the comedian Mike Birbiglia. 420 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:40,160 I read both. So I don't know who actually 421 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,600 said maybe they both did, maybe they both were like, you should 422 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,880 go out. But apparently Lena was 40 423 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,840 minutes late. I know. 424 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,800 And Jack, despite this, Jack told The New Yorker. 425 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,120 I told Lena everything about my whole life, because when you 426 00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:58,960 really like someone, you want them to know everything about 427 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,400 you. I guess it was a good date. 428 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,840 Yeah. I don't think it's good to tell 429 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,680 someone everything about your first date. 430 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,760 You have to leave them wanting more, I know, and I I my next 431 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,080 bullet point in my notes was that I do think that both of 432 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,600 them seem like they are somewhat obsessive and nervous people, 433 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:21,720 and also both very sentimental and nostalgic and romantic. 434 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,600 So. That's cute. 435 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,760 But also, I can imagine that that makes things too much 436 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,160 sometimes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 437 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,880 Even though their first date was April 2012, it wasn't reported 438 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:37,800 to the public until September. And as I said, there were 439 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,800 articles saying Lena Dunham is dating the guy from fun and I 440 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,080 guess she asked to use some fun songs and girls. 441 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,760 It's weird to call it fun songs, some fun songs. 442 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,240 December 2012 Jacquelina were seen kissing passionately 443 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,320 outside Kings Rd. Cafe in LA, and at this point 444 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:03,280 she already had her short hair and overalls and he was in his 445 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,080 classic huge black glasses that he always wears. 446 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,000 It's kind of like Tim Burton in that way. 447 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,400 In 2013. Oh my God, Lena Dunham. 448 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,400 January 2013, Lena adopted a rescue mutt named Lambie, who 449 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:23,720 became her and Jack's dog. Oh yeah. 450 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,360 Kevin, does this ring a bell to you? 451 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,040 Yes, my brother. I told him we were doing this 452 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,840 episode and he goes, oh, I don't like her. 453 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,600 Didn't she get rid of her dog? Yes, not yet in the story. 454 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:38,480 But they do get rid of they re home, Lamby. 455 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,600 Oh no, they don't kick him on the street or anything, but but 456 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,640 Jack and Lena were obsessed with Lambie. 457 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,880 They made an Instagram account for him and they just they were 458 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,800 talking non-stop about this dog. They were absolutely obsessed. 459 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:59,400 So that's why it seems so shocking later on when Lambie is 460 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,280 no longer living with them. But we're not. 461 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,080 We're not there yet. That will happen. 462 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,560 But spoiler what? That's. 463 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,200 Bad, I know, I know. But I think. 464 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,280 I think when you learn more about it, like it kind of makes 465 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,120 sense. At least I think it does. 466 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,520 But Lena was seen wearing a ring on her ring finger and asked if 467 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,000 she was engaged. Don't they do that? 468 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,880 F this is becoming such a trend. Why? 469 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:28,600 She must have done that for a bit. 470 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,240 It's so attention seagame. I could see her doing that, but 471 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,920 she said I am not engaged. I don't want to get married 472 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,200 until all gay people can get married that that will come up 473 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:46,600 again later, she went on Howard Stern, and apparently beforehand 474 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,560 on his show, Howard had said that he didn't like girls and 475 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,240 that the little fat chick looked like Jonah Hill and was a camera 476 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,920 hog. Oh my God. 477 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,520 But I know. But then later, after he watched 478 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,440 more episodes with his wife, he changed his mind and admitted 479 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,440 that he was addicted to the show and that he felt bad and wanted 480 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,920 to apologize to her. Oh, that's sweet. 481 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,160 I know. So then Lena called into his 482 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,880 show. This was actually just after she 483 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,320 won some Golden Globes for girls, and they seemed to get 484 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,480 along pretty well. And then at one point, she said 485 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,600 to him, like, you know, I'm not that fat. 486 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,960 And he said, you're not obese or anything. 487 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,160 Oh my. God, I know. 488 00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:35,640 Oh, people are so mean to her about her weight. 489 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,840 I know. Ridiculous. 490 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,320 That's again. Another reason, though, why I 491 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,160 think that people want to hate her is because she's overweight. 492 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:48,760 Yeah, but even though that was really horrible, what he said, I 493 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,680 appreciate that. He said he was wrong and 494 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,160 apologized. That is nice. 495 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,560 Howard Stern also asked her about how she felt about the 496 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:01,000 fact that Jack Antonoff used to date Scarlett Johansson and she 497 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,560 said it doesn't give me that much anxiety. 498 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,680 I feel good. I feel OK. 499 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,080 When somebody makes you feel special, I don't think you're 500 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,760 that concerned about things like that. 501 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,080 That's so true, yeah. If it's a healthy relationship, 502 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,720 then you wouldn't feel insecure about it. 503 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:21,440 Yeah, Fun won several awards at the Grammys that February, and 504 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:26,080 then that's kind of like the last of fun and fun is over. 505 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:32,520 Yeah, and then Lena participated in the We Think Alone project by 506 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,360 Miranda July, where she wrote a love letter to Jack. 507 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,440 And I won't read the whole thing because we're going to have a 508 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,360 lot of writing by her, but this is at the end of the letter she 509 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,680 wrote. I felt I could spend 4 days on a 510 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,560 beach with you and it wouldn't be enough time to hear all the 511 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,000 stories you have to tell. I literally want to know 512 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,360 everything you have ever seen and what you felt like while you 513 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,720 were seeing it. And I will be so much better my 514 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,360 whole life for knowing those things. 515 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,240 I love you, Lena. Oh, that is love. 516 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,520 Yeah, she really loves him. It's really sweet. 517 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,640 In the LA Times, Jack was asked about the controversy around 518 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,800 girls. They were kind of talking about 519 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,080 earlier, And he said, I try to stay out of it. 520 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,880 There's no one stronger than Lena. 521 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,120 That's nice. And then in this other article, 522 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,920 even though she had just said that, you know, everything was 523 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,720 fine about the Scarlett Johansson thing, she said that 524 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,000 she felt like she was hallucinating when she learned 525 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,880 that Jack used to date Scarlett Johansson. 526 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,640 I can see that, yeah. Now we're in 2014, Lena and Jack 527 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,720 moved into a place in Brooklyn Heights together after 528 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,640 previously living in Lena's apartment. 529 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,520 Apparently it took a year to close the deal for some reason. 530 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,560 Wait, so had they only been dating for a few months before 531 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,040 moving in together? It seems kind of like it. 532 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,480 I mean, they first met. They've been dating for a bit 533 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,400 now because now it's 2014 and their first date was 2012. 534 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,200 But it hasn't been two years yet. 535 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:05,800 It's been like a year and a half. 536 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,000 Does seem like they moved in really quickly. 537 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,880 Not as quickly as Pete and Ariana Grande, but yeah, because 538 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,760 I actually couldn't figure out when he moved in with her. 539 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:20,320 But it might have been pretty much right away because I think 540 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:25,040 he was kind of between places, you know, touring. 541 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,560 I don't. Know that's New York City for 542 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,240 you. Yeah, exactly. 543 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,640 Even for the rich and famous. Yeah. 544 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:37,480 Or economical. Yes, there was a Rolling Stone 545 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,760 video called inside Jack Antonoff's Brooklyn apartment 546 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:46,120 and he he just takes you around the place and you can see on the 547 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,680 wall this sign. It's not a neon sign. 548 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,560 It's like a light bulb sign. Do you know what I mean? 549 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,000 It was like old fashioned light bulbs. 550 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,200 Anyway, it says J Heart L OH. Cute. 551 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,440 Yeah, it's really cute. And they have a lot of pictures 552 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,800 of Lambie everywhere. Like art paintings of Lambie. 553 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,720 What is going to happen, Lambie? I know it sounds like they're 554 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,640 really creative together. It sounds cool, like while he's 555 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,200 making music, she's writing and there's doodles everywhere, and 556 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,880 it just seems like a very cozy life they have. 557 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,520 Going on March 2014, Lina directed his music video. 558 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,120 I want to get better for Bleachers. 559 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:32,360 I want to get better. I remember that November 2014, 560 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,760 her book Not That Kind of Girl is published, which I mentioned 561 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,880 earlier, and she wrote about Jack in it. 562 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,480 And I'm going to read a little passage. 563 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:48,280 OK, this is page 76 for anybody else following along. 564 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,040 If you can, turn your attention to page 76. 565 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:57,000 All right Kelly, So this this chapter was kind of all about 566 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:02,080 her different boyfriends. And then it says and then he 567 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:07,480 appeared gap toothed, sculpey faced, glasses like a cartoon so 568 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,840 earnest I was suspicious and so witty I was scared. 569 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,480 I saw him standing there, yellow cardigan and hunched shoulders 570 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,560 and thought, look, there's my friend. 571 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,080 The next months were lesson and opening up, letting go, being 572 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,440 kind and brave. I have written all sorts of 573 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,440 paragraphs recounting those months together. 574 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,560 First kiss, first Mr. Softy. First time I noticed that he 575 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,920 won't touch a doorknob without covering his hand with his 576 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,480 sweatshirt. I've written sentences about how 577 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,800 the first time we made love, I felt like dropping my keys on 578 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,280 the table after a long trip and after wearing his sneakers as we 579 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,480 ran across the park toward my house, which would someday be 580 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,080 our house. About the way he gathered me up 581 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,920 after a long, terrible day and put me to bed about the fact 582 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,360 that he is my family now. I wrote it down, found the words 583 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,200 that evoked the exact feeling of the edge of the park at 11:00 PM 584 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,400 on a hot Tuesday night with the man I was starting to love. 585 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,080 But surveying those words, I realized they are mine. 586 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,480 They he is mine to protect. There's so much I've shared and 587 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,639 so much that's been crushed by the sharing. 588 00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:12,199 I never mourned it because it never mattered. 589 00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:14,920 I don't know what that part means. 590 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,239 Yeah, I don't get that Mourned. What? 591 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,920 So much I've shared and so much that's been crushed by the 592 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,600 sharing. I never warned it. 593 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,800 Oh, maybe she's talking about, like, her past relationships. 594 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,679 Oh, OK, that she's Because I guess she, even though she wrote 595 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,040 that about him and she does mention him throughout the book, 596 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,000 she doesn't talk about him as much as she talks about other 597 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,840 things. Yeah, so maybe that's what she's 598 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,280 saying, that writing about things in her past made them, 599 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,679 like, less important somehow. I don't know. 600 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,199 Anyway, I thought that that was just a really nice description 601 00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:01,120 insight into their relationship. He does seem like he's a safe 602 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,240 haven for her and it just clicks like it all makes sense. 603 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:12,160 Yeah, there were rumours again about an engagement, but Jack 604 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,880 told ABC News. But they wouldn't be getting 605 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,120 married till it's legal for everyone. 606 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,000 That's what I personally believe, he said. 607 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,880 To me it seems odd to get married, especially when someone 608 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,000 else can't, and I always believed, especially in my 609 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,720 state, that it should be a country thing. 610 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,280 Celebrities were always saying that back then and I well, I do 611 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:38,280 think it is good to take a stand and like you know. 612 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,720 It should be equal for everybody. 613 00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:44,040 I almost wonder if, like, it's kind of a cop out for people 614 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,920 too, if they're in a relationship but they're not 615 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,560 really ready to be like, well, I'm, I'm not going to get 616 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,200 married until it's legal for everyone. 617 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,480 Oh yeah. But also like, in the back of 618 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,080 their mind, they're like, but I don't really want to get married 619 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,080 anyway. Yeah, I think that this was 620 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:04,400 important to them, but they did not really think because they 621 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,160 had decided this, they were kind of able to push it off and not 622 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,080 think about it. And this will come up once it is 623 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,040 legalized, which is actually coming up very soon in the in 624 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:18,240 the story that they actually realized that they hadn't 625 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,400 strongly thought about it. Yeah, that's so true. 626 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:27,720 You know, so then it's 2015 and Jack talked to the Times. 627 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:33,400 I don't know what times, but the Times about Lena and said we've 628 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,920 been together for over 2 years, which for me is a long time, and 629 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,800 I still want to know everything about her. 630 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,680 That's what falling in love is. You're wrapped up in a mystery 631 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,840 novel, lost in an exciting world. 632 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,480 When I get home from the studio, Lena's the first person to hear 633 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,240 anything and I can tell if something's good or not by her 634 00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:52,840 reaction. We both work so much chip away 635 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,200 to things for so long, but it's not like we get oversensitive. 636 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,560 We're not 19. We can take criticism. 637 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,280 I love criticism from her, so it sounds like he really loves her. 638 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,240 They're in their 20s still at this point. 639 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:11,200 By the time it's their birthdays this year, he is 31 and she's 640 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,680 29. OK. 641 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,640 Yeah. So you know, a lot older, late 642 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:23,600 20s, early 30s, June 2015, gay marriage becomes legally 643 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:29,640 recognized in the US and Lena tweeted excitedly about this. 644 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,160 Oh, she's very active on Twitter by the way, which is where like 645 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,560 half of her faux pas and foot and mouths happen. 646 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,320 But Lena was very excited and then she tweeted at Jack and 647 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:47,760 said get on it yo dot dot dot. And he didn't reply. 648 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:53,640 Oh my gosh, that's embarrassing, do you think? 649 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:58,960 He replied privately, hopefully. But gosh, don't leave. 650 00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:02,840 Like, if I did that, like, I wouldn't want to be left hanging 651 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,160 there. Oh no, that's so awkward. 652 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,600 I remember this actually. There were lots of news articles 653 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,200 wondering if they would get married now like they said they 654 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,800 would. And around this time, July, A 655 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,440 month later, like July 2015 till 2017. 656 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,400 This is when Lorde starts recording her album Melodrama 657 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:30,440 with Jack Hinton off primarily at his and Lena's home studio at 658 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,600 him and Lena's house. And Lorde actually lived there 659 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,880 with them for a time. Oh wow. 660 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:36,840 I know. I didn't know that. 661 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:38,680 It's like she was adopted by them. 662 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:46,120 She could have been July. That same July, 2015, Lena wrote 663 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,880 an article for The New Yorker about marriage and her 664 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,960 perspective on it and how it had changed throughout her life. 665 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,960 I don't know how quickly she wrote this, but she talked about 666 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:02,240 meeting Jack and falling for him, and then his beliefs in 667 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:07,200 equality for LGBTQ citizens and why that was the reason she fell 668 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,080 in love with him, and she said I watched him struggle with the 669 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,640 decision of whether or not perform at straight couples 670 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,160 wedding weddings. He discussed the matter at 671 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,240 length with queer friends, concerned that it might be a 672 00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:20,840 form of betrayal. Ultimately he was given their 673 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,880 blessing, though he seemed fairly tortured about it. 674 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,040 Anyhow, the struggle was real and raw for Jack, and so somehow 675 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,400 it became understood between us that we wouldn't even consider 676 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,200 marrying, marrying until every American had the same right. 677 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,760 And I said it probably whenever I had the chance. 678 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,800 With the grandiosity and intimidations of sacrifice you 679 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,760 can hear from certain lesser vegans. 680 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,800 But sometimes in a moment of deep gratitude, I would mutter 681 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,120 these words to Jack unbidden, marry me. 682 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,560 They became a kind of code, a way of giving millions of other 683 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,640 kinds of loving thanks. And then she talks about how 684 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,800 then, when the court, Supreme Court ruled gay marriage legal, 685 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,440 she said soon after, another kind of text started to trickle 686 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,440 in. Now you can get married. 687 00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:09,320 Hello bride to be so. Sounds like she wants it a lot. 688 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:11,920 Tea. I don't know. 689 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,000 Yeah. So as I said, she's 29 now. 690 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,480 He's 31. She went on Ellen and talked 691 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,560 about this again and said the day gay, gay marriage became 692 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,640 legal across this country, we were thrilled. 693 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,280 We were celebrating. And then suddenly the text 694 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,800 started coming in from our friends, from our mothers, from 695 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,920 our exercise instructors. We kind of looked at each other. 696 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,200 We were like, oh God, what have we done? 697 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,640 We're not going to suddenly just get engaged because it became 698 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,600 legal. We better wait for a moment 699 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,080 where we feel excited about this. 700 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,840 And I'm excited to marry him at some point, but it felt like a 701 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,960 lot of pressure to just go for it that day. 702 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,920 And then she said we own a dog together, we own a home 703 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,200 together, but the marriage thing is a big deal. 704 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,040 Yeah, That's why I feel like when celebrities respond that 705 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,760 way, it's an altruistic way to just not answer the question. 706 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,880 They're afraid. Of their own sake. 707 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,080 So they're just like using it as a cop out. 708 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,680 Just say I don't want to answer, Yeah, I know they don't have 709 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,360 that. They don't have that cop out 710 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,840 anymore. What do people usually say when 711 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,720 they are trying to avoid the question? 712 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,160 Yeah, nowadays. Let's see. 713 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,360 Are you going to get married Any. 714 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,280 Oh, they probably say, you know, I don't care about the piece of 715 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,400 paper. Oh yeah. 716 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:40,360 Yeah, What does Zac Efron say? It's serving me for now, serving 717 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,160 me for now. I don't know about tomorrow, the 718 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,640 next day, but right now it is serving me. 719 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,520 I wish I had been. I wish I had been doing this all 720 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,880 along. But I would love to compile just 721 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:57,800 like the iconic quotes from I know people we've covered like 722 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:03,720 that. So OK, now we're in 2016. 723 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:09,440 There's the Grammys bleachers, Taylor Swift. 724 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,200 Jack's working with her. Lena's hanging out with her all 725 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,360 the time. That's what's going on right 726 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,360 now. But also, Lena has been 727 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,960 hospitalized a couple times. She's had a few surgeries for 728 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,080 her endometriosis. It seems like she's really 729 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,720 suffering with that. She had a ruptured ovarian cyst. 730 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,560 April Jack gives Lena an anniversary ring for four years 731 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,200 together. Oh, so it's been 4 years. 732 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,720 I feel like if you were really wanting. 733 00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:41,600 To get engaged and someone gives you an anniversary ring, it's 734 00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:45,640 like, OK, I wonder if she was disappointed. 735 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,280 Yeah, you're like what? Does this. 736 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,600 Whoa, I heard that. It's like, what does? 737 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:57,760 Oh my God. Hands of the city, It's fitting 738 00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,800 because they lived in New York. They lived in Brooklyn. 739 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,440 That's true. September 2016 is the final day 740 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,360 of filming Girls, and I think it was hard for Lena. 741 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,880 She said that it was part of her identity and that she was kind 742 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,560 of lost after. And then November, Hillary 743 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,720 Clinton lost the presidential election, and Lena was very 744 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:22,800 involved in that campaign and seemed devastated. 745 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:28,000 By that. And then continued to experience 746 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,160 a lot of pain and issues from her endometriosis. 747 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,720 It seems like she was in the hospital a lot and just 748 00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:36,480 generally having a lot of bad days. 749 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,280 Yeah. Endometriosis is sometimes I 750 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,040 think I have it, but it just seems so awful because it's like 751 00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,760 there's no relief, doesn't even matter what time of the month it 752 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,760 is. Have you ever talked to a doctor 753 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:51,920 about it? How do they like? 754 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,200 How do? They it's very The thing is 755 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,720 that. It's so hard to diagnose because 756 00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:00,000 for the most part I think you can only officially be diagnosed 757 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,200 is if you have surgery and like they see the scar tissue and 758 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,040 stuff. So, like, just to get a 759 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,200 diagnosis I think is really adds like a lot of validation, but 760 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,600 it's really hard. Yeah, I mean, surgery is always 761 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:20,240 serious. So then February 2017, at age 762 00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:24,640 31, Lena had a hysterectomy. Wow, I know. 763 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,560 And about this, she said. I've been battling endometriosis 764 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,640 for a decade and this will be my 9th surgical procedure. 765 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,160 No doctor has ever confirmed this for me, meaning like that 766 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,040 she has to do this. But they've told me I have a 767 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,800 slightly higher chance of miscarriage. 768 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,120 Their goal is for preserve my fertility. 769 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,480 That is what they consider to be their job, and I laugh and 770 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,400 smile. But I know that the blank space, 771 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,920 the blank hole is an empty womb captured on screen is all I'll 772 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,560 ever see. And she said that the pain had 773 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,040 become unbearable and that she'd tried everything she said. 774 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,160 I go to pelvic floor therapy, massage therapy, pain therapy, 775 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:07,640 color therapy, acupuncture, yoga, and a brief yet horrifying 776 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,720 foray into vaginal massage from a stranger. 777 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,320 Oh my God, I know. I didn't know that. 778 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,840 I didn't know they offered that. I know it's really sad though, 779 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,120 because she has repeatedly said that she wants to be a mother 780 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,680 and experience pregnancy. Yeah, that is very extreme. 781 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,800 I read when that when she got her hysterectomy, I read 782 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,520 articles that said that doesn't actually help with 783 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,240 endometriosis, that you can still experience pain after. 784 00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:36,200 But I haven't looked into it, so I don't, yeah, I mean, you've 785 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:37,880 got something I don't know enough about. 786 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,520 I think that it didn't end all the pain because part of it is 787 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:47,840 that you have the tissue outside of your uterus and everything, 788 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:52,280 but I think I think it did help a bit and she actually, after 789 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,400 that had her left ovary removed too, which I didn't know that 790 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,840 that was left. It's really serious though, 791 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,640 because doing the surgery caused her to go through the early 792 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,160 stages of menopause just in her. Early 30s, Yeah. 793 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:09,720 Which is also a huge hormonal change. 794 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,600 Yeah. So she's like in Perimenopause, 795 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:19,400 already in her 30s. Then June 2017, people started 796 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,920 to notice how odd it was that Lena and Jack hadn't posted any 797 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:27,760 pictures of Lambie, their dog, in a while because they used to 798 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,880 be obsessed. And then Lena posted on her 799 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,440 Instagram, telling the world that after four years of 800 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,160 challenging behavior and aggression, she had given Lambie 801 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,320 to a new owner, Danny Shea, who is more educated in Lambie 802 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,680 specific trauma and can better handle him. 803 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,520 What type of dog was Lamby? He was like he was a pretty 804 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,520 small dog, it seems. Oh, maybe it was a mix. 805 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,520 People were really tearing her apart for this. 806 00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,680 But I don't know. I think that she kind of did 807 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,840 what she had to do because there's a lot of stories of 808 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,800 Lamby biting people. Oh yeah, and not if. 809 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:11,080 They live in the city, yeah. Yeah, and it wasn't even just 810 00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,320 her. Like, even back in 2013. 811 00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:15,040 So this is way before this happened. 812 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,040 She had tweeted something about Lambie, like biting her butt or 813 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,960 something. And Jack's sister Rachel and 814 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,640 Lina's, two of Lina's friends on Twitter said that Lambie also 815 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,400 bit them. And it's kind of weird because 816 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,040 Lina seemed to be, like, laughing it off, but they 817 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:35,680 actually seemed annoyed by it. Yeah, I would be annoyed too, if 818 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:40,320 someone's dog bit me and the person wasn't that sorry about 819 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:41,880 it. I know I. 820 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,640 I hate the idea of anyone giving their dog away because the dog 821 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,240 doesn't know and it's you're their family. 822 00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:51,640 But it seems like in this situation they're probably doing 823 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,880 what was best for Lamby and I bet it was really hard for them. 824 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,080 But it's better that the dog is in a home where they're getting 825 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:04,320 properly trained and they're probably not in the city 826 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,680 anymore. And so the dog isn't around 827 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,800 people as much and is not put in situations where God forbid it. 828 00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,000 He might attack somebody and then have to get put down, yeah. 829 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,840 I mean, I I think it's clear that they loved Lambie. 830 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,480 I don't really get why people freaked out about this so much 831 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:25,240 because I've known some people that had to give up their dogs, 832 00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:28,720 and I don't think they're like evil people for it. 833 00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:30,840 They just. And I bet it was a heartbreaking 834 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,440 decision that they had to make. Yeah, it it seemed like it was. 835 00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,120 But then it got really dramatic because the shelter that she got 836 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,880 Lambie from claimed that he had no issues. 837 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:45,040 But I feel I don't trust that because they're just trying to 838 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,240 defend their shelter. And you know, it's kind of like 839 00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:52,280 a when a business gets a bad review and then they're gangs to 840 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,360 respond. Just seem like, yeah. 841 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,360 And like you said, it seems like there's evidence that Lambie did 842 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,600 bite people. Yeah, I mean, also, unless she 843 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,120 was, I mean, she's so TMI as we said, and she shares so much 844 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,480 about her life and unless she orchestrated this or she caused 845 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,280 this, I don't know. But she had even posted pictures 846 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,640 of herself bleeding from Lambie biting her. 847 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,960 Where the anger might be coming from is some celebrities 848 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,920 seemingly do get dogs and then get rid of them really quickly 849 00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:23,320 as if they're accessories, which I think when you adopt A pet, 850 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,960 that should be for life and you should go into it thinking that 851 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,200 you're going to be. The caretaker for life. 852 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,800 But yeah, in this situation, it probably was in Lambie's best 853 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,000 interest not to be put in situations where he might have 854 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:39,520 to get put down for behavioral issues, yeah. 855 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:44,080 That's probably better to, like, not be in a New York City 856 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,200 apartment. Yeah. 857 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,440 And I don't know, I mean, it seems like she she claims she 858 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,920 was super dedicated to him and she has had other pets since 859 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,320 then too. But she probably is busy also 860 00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:02,680 and is maybe just not the right person to, you know, take on a 861 00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,600 dog that has a lot of needs. And I I do think a lot of pets 862 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,640 do have issues from a shelter. It's not saying that there's 863 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,000 anything wrong with the shelter, but I think it is just traumatic 864 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,880 to be placed in one in the first place. 865 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,760 Yeah. And then definitely, I mean, I 866 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,680 even think like my cat lived in a shelter and I feel like he had 867 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,920 some issues. I wouldn't blame anybody. 868 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,160 And it's just it is what it is. She did have two new poodles at 869 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,440 this time, Susan and Karen, I think. 870 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:31,640 She has. I think that makes it a little 871 00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:32,880 bit. I do think that makes it a 872 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,800 little bit worse that she had. Poodles that She got two, Yeah. 873 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:41,640 Then she got two dogs that are like, more designer Y I know. 874 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,920 Anyway, so that's the Lambie drama. 875 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,600 It's another time Nina Dunham got herself in trouble on the 876 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,240 Internet. But how come Jack's not in 877 00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:53,720 trouble for that? I know exactly, right? 878 00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:56,240 Wasn't it Jack's dog too? Yeah. 879 00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:58,200 See, everyone's so much harder on her. 880 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,120 I know. What about Jack Antonoff? 881 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,800 What the heck? I also hate this idea. 882 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,320 I've seen this a little bit lately with Jack marrying 883 00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,680 Margaret quality where people are like, oh wow, Jack really 884 00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,320 upgraded. Like people want to act like 885 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,680 Jack. Yeah, like people want to act 886 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,520 like Jack was a victim in this relationship, that he was like 887 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:24,560 tied down by Lena Dunham. That's so terrible. 888 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,400 I know. So then, November 2019, Lena 889 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,400 wrote on Twitter that she thought Jack was proposing that 890 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:38,200 that turned out not to be true. OK, Lena, put your phone away. 891 00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,360 This is a little too much, too much. 892 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,400 Oh gosh, I'm cringing. Well wait till you hear this, 893 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,120 she said. I thought Jack was furtively 894 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,200 planning a proposal to me with his sister, and he just admitted 895 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,080 I actually caught him shit talking shit about me. 896 00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,440 Now I literally can't sleep because I'm laughing too hard 897 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,880 and I'm also keeping him awake 5.5 years, no rock. 898 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,760 And you know what? It's real nice. 899 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:08,480 Lena. Why are you? 900 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,240 Telling this us this, I think it's so. 901 00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,600 I think it's a bad sign when people are that open about their 902 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,640 relationship. I know because I don't know. 903 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,800 But are are they sitting in bed and she's tweeting about him? 904 00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,800 I don't know. I'm imagining, imagining it, 905 00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,400 that he's still in the other room. 906 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:32,960 Oh my gosh, imagine. Then he goes on Twitter and he's 907 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,920 like, Lena, What the fuck? I know. 908 00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,280 Why did he do that? Because it seems like he's 909 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,640 definitely not trying to propose. 910 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,560 I know there's one more tweet, she said. 911 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:49,600 They were huddled and I heard him say Lena and Finger, so it 912 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,120 obviously seemed like an engagement. 913 00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:55,320 Ring talk. But she was actually shitting on 914 00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,560 her. Yeah. 915 00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:01,520 What could that be? Finger. 916 00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:03,400 Finger. Yeah. 917 00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,520 Why didn't she tell? Did she hurt her finger or 918 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:06,560 something? What happened? 919 00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,760 That could be anything that I really, I do think that people 920 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,120 were talking about engagements. I don't know. 921 00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,200 Like even though a finger is involved in that, it's not like 922 00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:22,840 a word that it's not necessarily a keyword in the ritual of a 923 00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,120 proposal. Someone might say like ring 924 00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,920 size. Exactly. 925 00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:30,840 Or hand like. How does it look on her hand but 926 00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,200 finger? I don't know. 927 00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,320 I don't think, yeah. Oh, Lena. 928 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:39,760 Oh, Lena. And then I feel so bad for her 929 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:46,000 because only a couple months after this Twitter exchange, 930 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:50,480 January 2018 news comes out that Jack and Lena have broken up 931 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:55,760 after almost six years together. Wow, yeah. 932 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,080 So her tweeting that, it's almost like, is she so 933 00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,720 comfortable with him that she's confident that they will get 934 00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:04,040 engaged? Or is it eating at her that he's 935 00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,040 not proposing yet and so she's acting out? 936 00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:09,440 I know it kind of seems like both. 937 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:13,440 It is weird that she said 5.5 years no rock. 938 00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,320 And you know what? It's real nice. 939 00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,720 That seems a bit. Salty seems like salty, but 940 00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:22,200 she's trying to convince herself otherwise. 941 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:28,800 I know. Oh, it's very cringe worthy. 942 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,800 It's very cringe worthy. Both of their reps confirmed it 943 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:37,320 and Lena's said that the break was amicable. 944 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:44,200 Imagine having a Rep. I know it would be nice, yeah, 945 00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,760 who knows if this is true? But an insider told Us Weekly. 946 00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,880 As the years went on, it just wasn't a match. 947 00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:54,800 She has been through so much and she's still trying to figure out 948 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,440 the best steps forward for herself and her career. 949 00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,280 Doing it on her own is the best thing for her now. 950 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,440 Navigating her career forward, making good decisions. 951 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:12,800 OK, I I believe the first part, but I don't think I I don't buy 952 00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,680 the the breakup had anything to do with her. 953 00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,200 Career. No. 954 00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,160 Me neither. I don't think he was holding her 955 00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:20,840 back career wise. And she was. 956 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,480 The busiest she had ever been when they were newly dating. 957 00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:26,840 Yeah, and which is when you need to. 958 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,680 Almost put the most effort into the relationship because you're 959 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,560 getting to know each other. I think she had a lot more free 960 00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,320 time at this point. I mean, she had, she did have 961 00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,160 projects, she was staying busy. She had the Lenny Letter, which 962 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,720 was this newsletter she was doing with Jenny Connor and they 963 00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:46,320 were trying to do all these things like published books. 964 00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:49,360 I think she had a podcast and she she wasn't doing nothing, 965 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:53,080 but I don't think it would be as busy as running a show. 966 00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:58,480 You know, on her podcast that I don't know if it's still going 967 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,040 because they haven't published any episodes in a year, but the 968 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,400 C word it's called, I listened to a couple episodes of it and 969 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,200 she mentioned that she didn't say which breakup, but I feel 970 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,880 like I could guess which one. She said that she got so many 971 00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:17,120 texts from people after the news came up saying just wanted to 972 00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:22,400 say hi, people wanting to know what happened, but like just 973 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,920 coming out of the woodwork. So I thought that was 974 00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,280 interesting. But she also said that it kind 975 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,120 of hurt her because she felt like a lot of people that knew 976 00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,280 her were more interested in her now that she was sad and that 977 00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:37,200 this was happening than before. You know what I mean? 978 00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:41,120 Like all her acquaintances and people she worked with were. 979 00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,120 I mean, it comes from a good place. 980 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,280 I think they want to help. Her a good place. 981 00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,320 I think she's better than the alternative, that they don't 982 00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,200 care about you now that you're no longer with Jack Antonoff. 983 00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,440 That's true. I feel like I got what she was 984 00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,120 saying, though, that they weren't really there for her 985 00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,040 other times. And then when this happened, 986 00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:03,320 they. I can think she just thought 987 00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:04,840 that some people wanted the gossip. 988 00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:08,480 Oh yeah, you know, that makes sense. 989 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,880 I think she does have some friends that care about her to 990 00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,040 the cut, she said. I feel like the cut was a big 991 00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,960 outlet for them, she said. Our relationship probably lasted 992 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,440 longer than it should have. He's a very loyal person, so he 993 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,160 was not going to bail when the going got tough. 994 00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,920 He literally held my hand when I got an enema on New Year's Eve 995 00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,320 while his family celebrated. But when you're sick, so much 996 00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,920 energy goes into making sure the other person is well that you're 997 00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,920 not even noticing. Maybe our schedules aren't 998 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,160 compatible. Maybe we want different things 999 00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:41,880 out of our lives. Maybe we have different 1000 00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,200 attitudes about what family means. 1001 00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,840 Maybe these essential questions that people have to ask 1002 00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,000 themselves all the time are not being asked because we just want 1003 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,560 to make sure that I don't pass out at the grocery store. 1004 00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,120 Yeah, they're in survival mode. Yeah. 1005 00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,920 Yeah. I I don't know. 1006 00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,440 To me, it does seem like he ended it. 1007 00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:07,040 Yeah, I'm getting that too. A source said that he was seeing 1008 00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,280 someone else shortly after. This. 1009 00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:15,080 That's got to be painful, Yeah. And the crazy thing is that this 1010 00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,320 wasn't Us Weekly. I mean, OK, I don't know if we 1011 00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,480 can even trust them. First of all, I've never really 1012 00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,040 trusted them that much. But there was statement that 1013 00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,960 said the relationship is done and he has moved on. 1014 00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,160 But then if you look at the Google cache version of the 1015 00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:33,520 story, like in the back end, because somebody, someone 1016 00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,440 notices I didn't, I didn't discover this. 1017 00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,240 No, no, I didn't discover this. Somebody else discovered this 1018 00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,760 that if you look at the CAGED version it says it's done and is 1019 00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,640 moved on with in seeing someone else who is a musician. 1020 00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:51,240 This was Us Weekly, yeah. But they removed Lord. 1021 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:56,160 And yeah, a lot of people do wonder about Jack's relationship 1022 00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:00,960 with Lord the singer and if anything was there or if there 1023 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,840 was overlap. And I remember you talked to me 1024 00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,120 about this once and I was like, no, I don't think so. 1025 00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,280 But I had not honestly looked too much into it, Mel. 1026 00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:15,480 So then I did and it is interesting. 1027 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,480 OK, so I'll just, I'll tell you some things. 1028 00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,680 So as we said that Lord was like living in their house for a 1029 00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:26,880 while and they were obviously very close making her record. 1030 00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:31,440 And I did watch a clip of them performing at Outside Lands 1031 00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,640 Music Festival and they did seem really cozy. 1032 00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:35,920 They were like sitting super close together and Lord kind of 1033 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:40,720 like squeezed his knee. Person on Twitter named Hillary 1034 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:47,520 made a 39 page PowerPoint you can still view to prove that 1035 00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,160 something happened between Lord and Jack and I. 1036 00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,760 Love when people do this. I know honestly, a lot of the 1037 00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,280 evidence. I don't know. 1038 00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:58,040 It wasn't really convincing me that much, but there were some 1039 00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,400 things. Like Lorde has said, we were 1040 01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,640 obsessed with each other and that they Facetimed every day. 1041 01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:08,480 And Lorde wrote a huge paragraph for him on his birthday. 1042 01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,240 And then they were also seen in Auckland, New Zealand, where 1043 01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,920 she's from walking down the street and she was like hugging 1044 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,440 her arms around him. Oh yeah, that's intimate. 1045 01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,920 Yeah, very intimate and apparently. 1046 01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,960 Lena unfollowed Lorde and deleted her previous tweets 1047 01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,480 about Lorde that had all been really positive. 1048 01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:35,480 Yes, that is the most damning. I know that proves it. 1049 01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:36,440 I. Think so. 1050 01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:42,520 But it's odd for me because really quickly after all of 1051 01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:46,400 this, he started dating somebody else named Carlotta Cole, a 1052 01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:50,280 model. So I'm like, what if he I wonder 1053 01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,560 if he cheated with Lorde? I don't know. 1054 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:59,320 But then he dated this Carlotta girl really soon after I I don't 1055 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:03,000 have the month, but literally like maybe right around this 1056 01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:09,120 time him and Lord cheated but he didn't leave Lena for Lord. 1057 01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:13,480 Maybe. I feel like something may be 1058 01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:14,880 bad. Yeah. 1059 01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:19,360 I know, and I don't know if something happened between them. 1060 01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,200 It I don't think lasted because then he's dating. 1061 01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:26,320 This Carlotta girl. But it is interesting because if 1062 01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,680 something did happen, Jack did still work with her on her third 1063 01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:33,600 album. So I don't really get how that 1064 01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:36,200 works. But also, no offense Lord, I've 1065 01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,720 always been a big fan of yours. But that third album was not the 1066 01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:42,000 best, so maybe their relationship wasn't as good 1067 01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,520 anymore. Yeah, maybe you just gave her 1068 01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:49,280 the scraps. Yeah, actually some people have 1069 01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:54,080 said that yeah, it does. It does seem not as strong. 1070 01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:59,720 Yeah, one of the songs sounds so much like one of Lana's songs on 1071 01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:03,280 chemtrails, and everyone has pointed that out, so maybe he 1072 01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:09,160 kind of phoned it in that time. Lena was actually asked about 1073 01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:15,240 these rumors with the cut and. She answered. 1074 01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,320 I mean, when does Lena never not answer a question? 1075 01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,960 I know, she said. I don't think anything happened 1076 01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,080 between them. I can never know someone else's 1077 01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,120 life. I have never spoken to Ella. 1078 01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,720 That's her real name about it. We haven't. 1079 01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,640 Yeah. We haven't talked since Jack and 1080 01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,240 I broke up. It was awful and I couldn't do 1081 01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,040 anything about it except trust what he was saying to me was 1082 01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,800 true. Oh my God. 1083 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:43,560 She just told us a lot without. I know telling us first of all 1084 01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:47,400 she called Lord by her first name to me that's like that's 1085 01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,280 kind of, I don't know what do you think about that that's how. 1086 01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,880 She, yeah. And also that she does know her 1087 01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:57,240 pretty well. But to say I don't think 1088 01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:00,000 anything happened and to say would she say that like I 1089 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,360 trusted what? Yeah, she said. 1090 01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:06,120 I couldn't do anything about it except trust that what he was 1091 01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,080 saying to me was true. Yeah, to me. 1092 01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,680 That tells me she had her suspicions. 1093 01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:15,200 Yeah, because. But maybe she didn't like proof. 1094 01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,480 Yeah, And, she says. I don't know what happens in 1095 01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,840 anyone else's life. Yeah, it seems like something 1096 01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,480 that she's really had to reconcile with. 1097 01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:27,640 Like, did did something happen? And she's letting go of the need 1098 01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,840 to have control over it by just accepting that. 1099 01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,000 She'll never really know, but she just has to accept. 1100 01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,880 And it is crazy that we haven't talked since we broke up. 1101 01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:39,920 I think that's weird because I. Think the word basically lived 1102 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,600 with her? Yeah, and that she deleted the 1103 01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:45,720 tweets. Even if something didn't happen, 1104 01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:50,640 she clearly had her suspicions and was uncomfortable, and it's 1105 01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,960 unfortunate that Jack put her in the situation to be 1106 01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:57,080 uncomfortable. I know he shouldn't. 1107 01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:00,400 Honestly, he should not be Facetiming Lord every single 1108 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:01,800 day. If he's in a relationship, 1109 01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,120 especially if he's dating someone who has health issues 1110 01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,040 going on, then they're going to be even more nervous. 1111 01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,720 Someone who just had a hysterectomy like, oh, am I not 1112 01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:14,200 attractive enough anymore? And Lord's way younger. 1113 01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:21,880 Yeah, so that's tough. I feel like in this relationship 1114 01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,960 he was probably giving most of his time to so many other women 1115 01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:26,560 that he's collaborating with. I know. 1116 01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:31,400 I don't really get why he always collaborates with women, yeah. 1117 01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,680 I don't get creepy vibes from him, but it's it's just odd. 1118 01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,240 I don't know. Yeah, 'cause he's also so close 1119 01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:39,760 with all the women that he collaborates, yeah. 1120 01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:45,200 They all act like I have a special bond with Jack, yeah. 1121 01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,960 Whereas usually I feel like other music producers, they're 1122 01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,880 just like, yeah, we had a great time in the studio. 1123 01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,840 He really did a great job. Like, I don't know. 1124 01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,200 I feel like Ed Sheeran. He collaborates with a lot of 1125 01:04:56,200 --> 01:05:01,640 different musicians, male or female, and it's not as intense. 1126 01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,600 Yeah, they don't act like they're soul mates because they 1127 01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,320 made a record together, but I feel like everyone Jack works 1128 01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,680 with, it's like that. It's like we were up day and 1129 01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,120 night together. Us at the piano. 1130 01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,200 Like we poured our hearts out to each other, Yeah. 1131 01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:24,240 What is up with that? Lena talked also to The Cut 1132 01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:28,480 about Jack's new relationship with the model Carlotta Cole and 1133 01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,000 said. I thought I was kind of proving 1134 01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,160 weird girls can have love too, and now he's dating somebody who 1135 01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,040 looks regular and normal and like girls are supposed to look. 1136 01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:41,120 That is painful. But oddly, Lena follows this 1137 01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:45,760 Carlotta lady on Instagram and it seems like they actually 1138 01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:49,600 worked together more recently, so way after all this happened. 1139 01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:52,680 But I think Carlotta is a photographer too, and it seems 1140 01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:56,240 like she did some work for Lena's movie Sharp Stick and 1141 01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:57,960 that she even tagged Lena and stuff. 1142 01:05:57,960 --> 01:05:59,600 So. Interesting. 1143 01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:03,240 Maybe they bonded after Carlotta and Jack broke up. 1144 01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:04,880 I don't know why. Yeah, I thought that would be 1145 01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:08,360 pretty bonding to become friends with someone who also dated your 1146 01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:09,800 ex after the fact. It's. 1147 01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:14,040 Kind of always been my dream to talk to a girl that dated 1148 01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:17,160 someone that I did. This never happened. 1149 01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,200 Yeah, and like, share notes and be like me too. 1150 01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:24,200 Oh my God, that that really could create a beautiful 1151 01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:24,920 friendship. It. 1152 01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,760 Could it could. Also, sadly for Lena, around 1153 01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:33,200 this time of her breakup with Jack, her and her longtime 1154 01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:37,200 creative partner Jenny Connor also went their separate ways. 1155 01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:42,680 They had made girls together, and they had a production 1156 01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:45,480 company together, and Lenny lettered their newsletter. 1157 01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:49,520 They did. They dissolved both of them, and 1158 01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:51,600 I don't know, it seems like they stopped being friends. 1159 01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:52,960 I don't. Know. 1160 01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,840 And Lena seems really distraught about this. 1161 01:06:56,680 --> 01:07:00,800 Wake up too, and wrote about it and said maybe my illness made 1162 01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:04,200 me impossible to be close to. Maybe my fame made me impossible 1163 01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,800 to be close to. I'll work that stuff out in the 1164 01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:08,480 future. But I was not operating in 1165 01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,840 healthy relationships to the people closest to me. 1166 01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:14,240 Now she doesn't have to absorb whatever bullshit I tweet that 1167 01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,120 day. Whatever I do doesn't have to 1168 01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:19,720 now be hers, which I'm sure I'd imagine if I were her it would 1169 01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:22,400 be a relief. And then she said, yeah, I'm not 1170 01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,800 for everybody. You know what that's reminded me 1171 01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:26,720 of? Liability by Lauren. 1172 01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,720 That song really is Lena's anthem, though. 1173 01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,400 She really is. She is not for everybody, and 1174 01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:38,520 that's a tough pill to swallow. Yeah, I remember, Lena tweeted 1175 01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:41,800 one time something about I can't listen to any of my favorite 1176 01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:45,000 breakup songs because my ex-boyfriend produced all of 1177 01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:50,680 them. Oh yeah, that will be tough. 1178 01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:56,880 She wrote a lot of essays about. This breakup I I found four of 1179 01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:00,400 them. She wrote A lot about it. 1180 01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,560 That's a healthy way to channel your energy. 1181 01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,640 Better than tweeting about it, too, because you really have to. 1182 01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:10,080 Yeah, Thought into what you're saying. 1183 01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,000 Yes, she definitely tweeted, too. 1184 01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:19,399 She's just talking about this left and right like crazy. 1185 01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,760 It is sad though. I I feel bad for her at this 1186 01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:24,479 point. Like I can tell she's really, 1187 01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,080 really struggling and really heartbroken. 1188 01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:31,240 She talks about the end of the relationship, realizing that 1189 01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:36,240 it's over and she said the finality nearly killed me and I 1190 01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:38,800 remember muttering. But what if we still want on 1191 01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:42,520 Went on dates, He laughed sadly. Whatever you want. 1192 01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,800 I know. And the rest of the essay, she 1193 01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:50,040 goes on, talking about getting used to being alone again. 1194 01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:54,840 And then this is crazy. August 2018, months after the 1195 01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:58,120 relationship has ended because he broke up in January, Lena 1196 01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:03,840 tweeted a picture of a list of baby names she had made with 1197 01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:08,520 Jack in 2015. Lena, I know, OK? 1198 01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:12,359 Like now you're kind of showing us why you guys broke up. 1199 01:09:12,359 --> 01:09:16,680 Because seems like you have. Poor impulse control she does. 1200 01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:20,399 Oh, Lena, she said. Hey at Jack Antonoff I just 1201 01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:25,840 found, she tweeted at Lena. I just found a potential baby 1202 01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:29,000 name list we made in 2015. I could definitely keep this 1203 01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,600 private, but then the world wouldn't know that you suggested 1204 01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,080 Carrot over and over. dot, dot. dot. 1205 01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:36,000 Love you. Exclamation mark, Exclamation 1206 01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,399 mark, Exclamation mark. Do you want to hear? 1207 01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:41,960 That's kind of yeah. But wait, that's really unhinged 1208 01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:43,479 of her. I'm sorry. 1209 01:09:44,200 --> 01:09:47,040 He might be newly dating somebody else now, right? 1210 01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:49,680 Yeah. Is he dating that model at this 1211 01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,319 point? Yes, yeah, he's in a 1212 01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:55,040 relationship and it's like you're trying to prove to the 1213 01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:58,520 world we were so serious about each other that we were even 1214 01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:00,720 talking about having a baby together. 1215 01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,120 Yeah, OK. Yeah. 1216 01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:06,440 I want to hear the names though. OK, the list is. 1217 01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:10,760 Oz. OZ OK Kelly. 1218 01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:15,920 Oh your name. I know Thank you not NA OK 1219 01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:18,400 Carrot. Carrot. 1220 01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:24,480 Ricky Lee. Jackie. 1221 01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:26,720 Eddie. Joy. 1222 01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:30,720 Sara Lee. Zavi. 1223 01:10:31,480 --> 01:10:35,800 Tony with an eye. Camilla Loretta. 1224 01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:42,880 RA, Shogo and Claire. Oh, see, But here, here's the 1225 01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:44,920 other thing. Now she's taking away his 1226 01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:51,320 opportunity to ever use any of these names because his future 1227 01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,840 wife would be like, wasn't that the name you were talking about 1228 01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,960 with your ex-girlfriend? I know, Lena. 1229 01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:59,640 That is so weird. And did he respond? 1230 01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:06,320 Oh my gosh, so. I hope you're not listening, 1231 01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,800 Lena. I really am rooting for you. 1232 01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,960 After the list went out, she called Jack a few times and he 1233 01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:16,400 didn't pick up right away. I wonder if she's blocked 1234 01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:18,400 because why? Also she have. 1235 01:11:18,440 --> 01:11:20,960 To Well, then he did get back to her. 1236 01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,640 He was in the studio I guess, and then he, I think, I don't 1237 01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,160 know if it was a text or a phone call, but he said no, it's 1238 01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:28,040 funny. Oh OK. 1239 01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:30,840 But still that sounds. That's chill of him. 1240 01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:33,480 It is chill, but it kind of sounds like he's just being 1241 01:11:33,480 --> 01:11:36,280 like, yeah, yeah, not even putting any energy into it. 1242 01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:37,880 Like, don't freak out. Like, it's funny. 1243 01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:40,480 It's almost a worse it's, I know, different to it. 1244 01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:43,840 Oh God and. She said I think this was to the 1245 01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,440 cut. She is telling this whole story, 1246 01:11:46,440 --> 01:11:48,720 she said. He knows that being the 1247 01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,920 hysterical ex-girlfriend is kind of like the weirdest, funniest 1248 01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,720 public performance. But she admits that it hurts, 1249 01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:55,760 too. You know what? 1250 01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,560 In a way I relate to her, though, 'cause don't we all do 1251 01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:01,280 those things where we're like, that was too much of me. 1252 01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:03,600 Like, why am I making the situation worse? 1253 01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,440 I mean, I don't think I'd ever do that, but I've definitely 1254 01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:11,600 acted like a fool and I've been like, Jesus, why are my emotions 1255 01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:13,000 getting the better of me right now? 1256 01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:17,160 I know, I like. That's why it's so hard to read 1257 01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:19,120 about all this in a way 'cause you can, kind of. 1258 01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,160 Relate to the urge to do things like that. 1259 01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:28,240 But I know, especially when her whole persona is TMI and pushing 1260 01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:31,320 the envelope, that it's like it's kind of in character for 1261 01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:36,120 her to do, but it's too far. She also told E that she'll 1262 01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:40,400 always wear the ring. He gave her the anniversary ring 1263 01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:44,440 because love doesn't have to be defined the way we in Western 1264 01:12:44,440 --> 01:12:47,320 culture define it as beginnings and ends. 1265 01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,560 Oh, that's sweet. I mean, it is like she's holding 1266 01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:55,040 on to a part of her past. I mean, that reminds me of our 1267 01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,720 Carly Simon and James Taylor episode. 1268 01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:01,280 When Carly was like, I found peace when I accepted that I 1269 01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:05,160 could still love somebody even after the relationship was over. 1270 01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:09,040 It doesn't have to end. Yeah, that can really help 1271 01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:12,040 because sometimes the hardest thing is feeling like you have 1272 01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:15,080 to let go of that love and like you don't want to. 1273 01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,120 Or you don't feel ready yet and it's OK to still love somebody 1274 01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:23,560 and not do anything about it. Yeah, November 2018. 1275 01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:28,640 She was interviewed for the cut again and said I texted Jack 1276 01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:31,560 last week and said this isn't capital letters. 1277 01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:35,400 How does it feel to have dated someone everybody hates? 1278 01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:39,880 And he wrote back the only they only hate you because they love 1279 01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:41,480 you so much. True story. 1280 01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:46,600 Which is like what a sweetie. What a liar and a sweetie does 1281 01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:48,360 seem like she wants to get back together. 1282 01:13:48,440 --> 01:13:52,920 Yeah, and she said that Jack used to tell her you're a 1283 01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:54,880 provocateur and you don't even know it. 1284 01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,200 You have to look at the fact that when you say things, you're 1285 01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,760 not just trying to please. Sometimes you're actively trying 1286 01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,640 to displease people. And he forced me to look at the 1287 01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,800 side of myself that had the desire to poke the sleeping 1288 01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:09,040 bear. I feel bad for her because it 1289 01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:10,960 just, it seems like she's going through a tough time. 1290 01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:14,320 She's also talking about how she's struggling seeing. 1291 01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:18,360 People around her that are pregnant and having babies and 1292 01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:21,880 yeah then I'm not sure when in 2018. 1293 01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:26,400 But at some point in 2018 she attended rehab for her addiction 1294 01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:30,560 to anti anxiety medication, specifically Klonopin. 1295 01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:35,720 And she said I was to put it lightly, misusing benzos even 1296 01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:39,200 though it was all doctor prescribed it stopped being. 1297 01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:42,560 I take one when I fly to I take one when I'm awake. 1298 01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:46,240 So. It seems like she did get help 1299 01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:48,400 though, and she's been sober to this day. 1300 01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:51,920 That's good. Yes, yes. 1301 01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:56,600 She continued to write a lot about Jack, though 20/19. 1302 01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:01,200 She wrote for Domino magazine, which is like a home magazine 1303 01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:06,600 about buying a house with him. And she wrote about how she 1304 01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,840 decorated the place without him and. 1305 01:15:09,440 --> 01:15:12,040 He hated it. Which she shouldn't have done 1306 01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:18,720 that, I know, and it seems like it really hurt her for some 1307 01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:19,760 reason. I don't know. 1308 01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,000 I do think she's a little unreasonable, like you should. 1309 01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:26,760 Again, that reminds me of Carly and James because of the pool. 1310 01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:33,080 And then in 2019, she wrote about heartbreak again, this 1311 01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:35,880 time for the Guardian. And it was an article about 1312 01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:38,960 British Love Island. But she also talked about Jack 1313 01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,480 in it. Let me see at the I mean, I 1314 01:15:41,480 --> 01:15:44,000 don't know if I'll read the whole thing, but I just thought 1315 01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,920 it was sad at the end, she said. I hope I meet someone who is OK 1316 01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:51,640 with an infertile, chubby, controlling fantasist who has 1317 01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:53,760 made a lot of mistakes but can't stop trying. 1318 01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,120 I hope I can show my children what it means to love. 1319 01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:58,520 With intention, without losing oneself. 1320 01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:02,080 I hope the villa is always full of smiling faces, hopeful 1321 01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,320 hearts, tearful losses and ecstatic gains. 1322 01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:07,480 I hope we can keep cracking on into the future forever. 1323 01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:12,240 I hope that Summer never ends. So it seems like she was hopeful 1324 01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,520 that she would meet somebody again. 1325 01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:18,800 Yeah, it does seem like she is a hopeless romantic. 1326 01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,880 She is. It definitely seems like we've 1327 01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:23,920 seen this in some other relationships that Jack never 1328 01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:27,720 really talked as much about. Lena, it's not that he didn't. 1329 01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:29,880 He was avoidant about it or anything. 1330 01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,480 Like I saw him mention her in some interviews, but I mean, 1331 01:16:32,480 --> 01:16:34,920 he's not like her. Like he's not going to write a 1332 01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:39,960 whole essay about the first time they made love or whatever, but 1333 01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:43,320 do you think he's written about her and his music since the 1334 01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:47,280 breakup? A lot of Jack's earlier Happy 1335 01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:50,120 Love songs by Bleachers. I'd say both. 1336 01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:54,160 The first two albums I think we can infer about Lena. 1337 01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:59,320 He even has a song on his second album called Let's Get Married, 1338 01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:02,200 which is very sweet and I think it's about her. 1339 01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:06,160 But then on his 2021 album Take the Sadness out of Saturday 1340 01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:09,680 Night, which is after their breakup, he has a song called 1341 01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:14,120 Don't Go Dark, which seems like it could be about Lena, and it's 1342 01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:18,480 quite negative. The lyrics are what are you 1343 01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:21,520 going to ride for no one at all? Hey, are you going to cry on 1344 01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:23,360 demand just to get your number called? 1345 01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:25,720 Oh, baby, I know gone. I know gone. 1346 01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:27,880 I know out of this world. Because I've slept in my bed 1347 01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:30,480 alone next to my girl. So what do you want? 1348 01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:33,120 Just don't go dark on me. And then he says. 1349 01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:36,520 Then you cry on my shoulder like little child. 1350 01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:38,920 Do what you want. Just don't go dark on me. 1351 01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:41,600 And you're waiting to be saved. But ain't nobody coming. 1352 01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:44,400 It's the same party. Trick your dream until you're 1353 01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:46,200 running. Do what you want. 1354 01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:50,920 Just don't go dark on me. And at one point he says, I 1355 01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,080 dream A Little Dream she's not out of it. 1356 01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:56,440 Then I watch her take another pill, take another pic, then 1357 01:17:56,440 --> 01:17:58,760 flip another switch. You've just been waiting your 1358 01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:01,920 whole life to find someone who can stand in your storm. 1359 01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:03,960 I stood there and something was missing. 1360 01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:06,320 I still see you, honey, babe. But it ain't me that you'll be 1361 01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:09,960 kissing. So I think that's clearly about 1362 01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:11,560 her. And it just sounds like someone 1363 01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:14,680 that has a lot of troubles. And he's basically saying, like, 1364 01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:16,880 I can't be part of this anymore, yeah. 1365 01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:20,880 I feel like he had moved on and he has. 1366 01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,280 He is married now to the actress Margaret Quali. 1367 01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:28,440 And I think it's so interesting because she was in Once Upon a 1368 01:18:28,440 --> 01:18:31,840 Time in Hollywood and so was Lena. 1369 01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:38,360 Yeah, they're both in the cult, the Manson cult, so they know 1370 01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:41,720 each other. So weird, I know. 1371 01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:45,040 But Lena has moved on too. She. 1372 01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:49,960 Got married. She met the English Peruvian 1373 01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:55,360 musician Louise Felber in January 2221, and then seven 1374 01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:59,200 months later they got married. Oh, that's good. 1375 01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,400 Yeah. And she seems seven months later 1376 01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:02,840 after meeting. Yeah. 1377 01:19:03,480 --> 01:19:04,840 Oh wow. That's quick, I know. 1378 01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,760 She really wanted to get married, you know. 1379 01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:13,920 You know, by the way, the what's, what's that song? 1380 01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:17,760 Margaret. Yeah, Margaret, that's about 1381 01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:21,720 Margaret quality. It is so interesting, all these 1382 01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:27,760 other characters like Taylor Swift and Lana, because Lana 1383 01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:31,080 seems very to be very good friends with Jack and Margaret 1384 01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:34,080 Quali. And then I know Taylor Swift was 1385 01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:36,840 friends with both of them. I don't know if she's still 1386 01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,760 friends with Lena. I think she is still friends 1387 01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:43,320 with Lena, but it does seem like she spends a lot of time with 1388 01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:45,120 Jack. And if I was Lena, that would be 1389 01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:48,160 hard for me. Yeah, me too. 1390 01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:51,480 I feel like if I go through a really bad breakup with someone, 1391 01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:55,000 I don't really. Not that I want to put friends 1392 01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:58,480 in a position where they have to choose between you, but it can 1393 01:19:58,480 --> 01:20:02,600 be a little too painful to hear about the friend from the other 1394 01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:06,000 person until yeah, witness them get to spend time with someone 1395 01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:09,000 that you miss a lot. I think it would be really hard, 1396 01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:12,440 but yeah, she has a lot of connections to him still, so I 1397 01:20:12,440 --> 01:20:14,120 don't. Know chances that they'll get 1398 01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:17,960 back together? Zero. 1399 01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:22,360 Yeah, honestly, the baby name tweet was the nail in the 1400 01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:23,760 coffin. I know. 1401 01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:27,000 That and I feel bad because it seems like she was embarrassed 1402 01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,280 that she did that. I know who gets. 1403 01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:33,680 Custody of you probably. Jack. 1404 01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:37,080 I think I'll still say Lena I I would like to hang out with her. 1405 01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:42,080 I think she'd be funny. But yeah, Jack does. 1406 01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:45,560 I do feel bad for her, but yeah, I can. 1407 01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:51,240 I can picture her being someone who is hard to be around 1408 01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:55,240 sometimes, like, she said. But it does seem like she has a 1409 01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:58,480 self-awareness about that. And but I do love people who are 1410 01:20:58,480 --> 01:21:01,080 just authentically themselves. Me too. 1411 01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:02,440 I don't know, I think. She would. 1412 01:21:02,440 --> 01:21:03,360 Lovely. Annoying. 1413 01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:06,200 Yeah, I expect. I don't know. 1414 01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:10,840 I didn't come out of this loving Jack Antonoff. 1415 01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:14,160 I thought I would get to know him more and like him more, but 1416 01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:16,040 I don't know. Kind of, really. 1417 01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:18,760 I don't feel like I yeah, I don't feel like I got to know 1418 01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:22,000 him as much through this other than he seems a little bit 1419 01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:25,040 passive. Yeah, he does seem passive. 1420 01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:27,960 It seems like maybe he would have wanted the relationship to 1421 01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:32,360 end sooner but was just going on with it and that's basically 1422 01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:35,600 what she said. Well, I wish them both the best. 1423 01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,000 Me too. I'm happy that they both have 1424 01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:45,600 found partners and yes and moved on and well, I guess we we 1425 01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,520 already said what next week's episode is. 1426 01:21:49,480 --> 01:21:53,600 Next week on the Patreon, we're picking up where we left off 1427 01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:57,440 with Ariana Grande and Pete Davidson and our last episode. 1428 01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:00,600 It's so weird that this was such a short relationship that 1429 01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,840 there's way too much to say that we couldn't even fit it all in 1430 01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,480 one episode. So in our last episode, we only 1431 01:22:06,480 --> 01:22:10,960 covered the first two months of their relationship, and in the 1432 01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:15,000 next episode we will cover the next two months of their 1433 01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:20,800 relationship, the final two months, and anything after the 1434 01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:22,840 fact. I can't wait. 1435 01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:27,280 OK. Well, thank you guys so much for 1436 01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:30,800 listening. And we'll get back together next 1437 01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:32,640 week. Back together next week. 1438 01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:47,520 Is your heart filled with pain? Shall I come back again? 1439 01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:50,200 10 Medium.