Are you lonesome tonight? Do you miss me tonight?
Are you sorry we drifted apart? Does your man?
All right, all right. Happy 2024, everybody.
Happy Whirlwind Wednesday. Happy Wedlock Wednesday.
Happy 2024. Wow.
That you all are having a great year so far and that it's filled
with very exciting things to come and you had a wonderful
holiday season. A new Year for significant
lovers? This is a special episode
because we're looking back on the past year, the significant
couples in pop culture who broke up, who got together, what other
exciting news there were. And I hope that this episode, it
will be, first of all, I hope that we can do this every year,
but it'll be like one of those, you know, pop music mash ups,
kind of like when you listen to it or whatever, 10 years from
now, it will bring you back into this time period.
It's a time capsule for 2023. I hope so.
We'll live on. I know it'll be kind of cool if
anybody listens to this way in the future and they can revisit
2023 and. Some of these couples are people
who had been suggested, so we're going to just dip our toes in
and touch on them a little bit. And who knows, maybe after you
guys listen, reach out and tell us who you want us to talk about
and learn more about. Yeah, in the new year.
We could do a whole episode on some of these people.
This is also our 66th episode. Wow.
Do you? Know what that means?
We can do another March Madness right soon.
Oh wait, what number? Technically.
Even if it's 66, you're right, because there have been some
two-part. Episodes.
And then, like, special episodes.
So we'd have to figure out how many couples there are.
We need 32, yeah. How do we know when it?
I guess it's going to keep track.
We're going to have to do the math.
How? Do we know when it's ready?
Never mind. Yeah, yeah, I am drinking.
I'm just going to pour my drink real quick.
I'm also having wine because this is a This is a New Year's
celebratory episode. And the way we split it up, I
covered breakups, Kelly covered new relationships in 2023.
So I feel like we should just go back and forth.
Yes. And touch on the ones on the
list. Also some pregnancy.
Yes, and marriages. Oh yeah, Love and marriage.
What should we do first? Give us.
What do you guys think? Give.
Us a new couple. Just a new couple.
Yeah, hit us. What's fun?
What's on your list? All right, all right.
Well, I gotta say, you know, you can't talk about 2023 without
talking about Taylor Swift. Oh yeah, Taylor.
Taylor. Person of the Year, Time
magazine. And it's true, I think.
I mean, this year was crazy for Taylor Swift.
You just couldn't escape it. She somehow got bigger and
bigger. I know.
It's like it's too big. And I not that I think it's
undeserved. Like, I know why people love
her. I love her, but I worry about
her. I feel like it's not good for
her to be this famous. I hope that she's OK with
someday kind of chilling out and retreating a bit, yeah.
But I bring her up because she had two new relationships this
year that were very high profile.
First Matt Healey, Matt Healey, and then Travis Kelsey, the
football player. And I asked on our Patreon what
people thought about romance in 2023.
I said, what do you guys think of this past year as far as new
relationships, slashed marriages, slashed breakups in
the news? Did anything particularly
interest you, warm your heart or drive you crazy?
And Muna commented I'll admit so no one else feels guilt to do
so. I'm obsessed with Travis, Kelsey
and Taylor Swift. There I said it.
And then Layla said I second this.
And then Sierra said I started out as a hater, but they've
really grown on me and I love it.
Heart Face. I think it is cute because
spoiler on the top of my breakup list is her and Joe Alwyn.
Oh my God, this was that was this year too.
That's crazy. My relationship before that's
true. Yeah, they might have broken up
before, but we didn't find out about it until January.
That's. True and but her and Joe were so
private. And now when dating Travis, I
like that she is free to just be public with her relationship.
Her and Travis have been spotted kissing and holding hands and
she goes to all his games. It does feel like he's on her
level because he's very extroverted and he also likes to
be in the spotlight. So it's good that they both
neither of them are feel pressured by the attention.
Yeah, it is weird to me. I'm not saying there's a
conspiracy per Southeast, but it is just weird to me that she was
with Maddie Healey and people hated him and were freaking out
and like, yeah, writing letters to Taylor Swift about how
disappointed they were in her because Matt Healey had said
some offensive things. But then so quickly, people have
totally just forgotten about it and love her and Travis Kelsey
and there's T-shirts about it and everything and it's just odd
to me. Well, I also heard a conspiracy.
Not that I think that they're not really dating, but you know,
one of the first times she went to his games was at MetLife
Stadium to see the Chiefs play The Jets.
So when you Google Taylor Swift Jets, the first thing that comes
up is no longer all of her carbon emissions from her
private, you know, PJS that she's always taking all around
the. World.
I did hear that rumor that it was for SCO.
Mrs. Search Engine Optimization. I don't know.
It's just one of those mysteries of the world.
But they do seem cute. He is her 13th boyfriend and 13
is her lucky number. And I I saw this.
Yeah, I know. Isn't it that?
Now that makes me think it's fake.
But also, we don't know how many boyfriends she's actually had.
That's true. Is that just people?
Say that's what people say. That's what people say.
It's like, like they're not counting Martin Johnson in
there. Yeah, so who knows?
But also, I liked this thing I saw on TikTok that was like,
it's full circle because Taylor Swift, she has the song 15 with
the lyric and your life, you'll do things greater than dating
the boy on the football team. And now she's achieved all these
things, amazing things. And she's like the biggest
celebrity in the world, literally time person of the
year. And her life obviously isn't
defined dating the boy on the football team.
And if anything, it's like there's this joke too, of people
saying, oh, she put Travis Kelsey on the map, but he was a
huge football star beforehand. But it's nice that she has
achieved like, all the success, you know, first in a way.
It's cute, It's cute. It is really all American.
Like I know. It makes me her on.
It makes her boyfriend understand so.
Perfect after this Maddie Healy, when she did seem wicked into
him. So I'm just confused and also I
feel like it really increased football viewership this year
because also people have been really hating on football the
last couple of years. Oh my gosh.
The whole Colin Kaepernick thing and player safety.
And then last year you're making your.
I know. No, I think they're I think
they're real couple because last year a player nearly died on
live TV during the game and people were like oh God,
football is way too dangerous. So I mean the NFL kind of needs
people to get back on their side.
So Taylor Swift is in the audience like the NFL was going
crazy with that. But I still believe that they're
a real couple. It's kind of cute.
Like he he publicly said he went to her concert and tried to make
a friendship bracelet with his phone number on it, but he
wasn't allowed backstage. And then she heard about that
and then her people got in touch with him and then they went on a
date. But I was nervous in the
beginning that it was too overexposed.
But that would be way too much pressure.
Yeah. Imagine dating someone for the
first few months of your relationship and the whole world
that's watching and like obsessing over it, dressing up
as you guys for Halloween. That's crazy, but I guess he's
not intimidated by it. I hope for good reasons like
wholesome reasons, but see what happens.
Yeah, I wish them well. I I've heard rumors that they
could get engaged soon. Wow.
It's just crazy. This has been a wild year.
It's just the fact that it started out with her and Joel
Win and then Magdalene and this. Just what the heck?
Well, I was so nervous for her. I was so sad, like thinking
about her, seeing all these love songs that were written about
Joe on stage at the era's tour, like, oh gosh, it's got to be so
hard going through a breakup. But she really did bounce back,
and she did. I think it's a It is a nice
lesson that like, you can go through a bad breakup with
someone that you really loved, but you can find love again.
You can. You can watch it begin again.
Do you want to share a breakup from this year?
Yeah, I would say so. I kind of did like superlatives
with my breakup. So the biggest relationship
scandal, we kind of touched on this a little bit a couple
episodes ago would be in July it was reported that Ariana Grande
and her husband of two years, Dalton Gomez, split up and it
was then soon reported that she started dating her Wicked Co
star Ethan Slater. Ethan is most famous for playing
SpongeBob SquarePants on Broadway.
Yeah, I had them in my new couples list.
Oh my God. These.
Overlap, I know. What were you gonna say?
So around this time, Ethan filed for divorce from his wife of
four years, who had given birth just eleven months prior.
They welcomed their first child together and his wife then told
Page 6. And now I don't know if she was
contacted about it, like what the question they asked her was
because the comment that she gave was Ariana.
Is the story really not a girl's girl?
My family is just collateral damage.
And other reports said that the ex-wife was contacting every
publication. But you know what?
Even if she was, who cares? I mean, she got left by her
husband after, you know, still being postpartum for a hot pop
star that, like, every guy seems to break up with her girlfriend
over. So yeah, I'd be pretty pissed
too. I wouldn't care about saying
whatever I wanted, especially if people were contacting me.
Why would you? Mellie wrote in my notes that I
feel like you would be into Ethan Slater.
What's? Why?
Because I think historically you like redheads and you also
really like SpongeBob. OK, yes, but I don't like, I
mean, no judgement, nothing against this type of guy.
But I'm not into like, musical theater guys.
OK. OK.
All right. No, like I'm sure there would be
exceptions I I just I think. Also, I mean, I know you're
taking it, but I was just like, I can see it.
Well, I obviously wouldn't like any man that would leave his
wife. No, no, no.
This like this. Is me totally like separating
him from everything? Yeah, that is really upsetting.
But I love SpongeBob. You're right.
What do you think? Somebody has the urge to leave
their spouse. How much does that matter?
What do they do? Do you have to give in to your
feelings? You know what I mean?
Oh, I know is. There a world where he could
have just even though he wants to be with her so bad and it
feels like so right. You just go no and you just I I
know. We've yeah, we've talked about
this before because if someone cheats, obviously the argument
is why do you cheat? Just leave them.
But then also. When?
Someone leaves their partner, they're villainized because
maybe they didn't do it in the right way or it's just like like
in this situation, it's like, well, she had just given birth,
like he's leaving her for Ariana Grande.
I don't know. I think some men are just like,
it does seem like Ariana. She obviously is so attractive
to men. Like every single guy I know
thinks she's so hot and does seem like she just doesn't give
a fuck like that. Like she's not a girl's girl.
She I like it, I see it, I want it, I got it.
She doesn't care. But The thing is, it also
doesn't seem like it lasts for the people that she gets with
too. I hate to say that.
Like, are her and Ethan going to be together forever?
If so, I'm happy for them. That would be great and that
would make it worth it. But if it's just like a fling
dude, that is really his fault. Yeah, I think in the case of
Ethan or other people that have left their spouse, I think you
need to or if you're like tempted to leave yourselves.
I feel like you need to be super honest and really look in
yourself and really think like, why are you doing this?
Like, did you, are you putting in what you should in your
relationship? Like, is it partly losing its
luster because you're not putting effort into it?
Because I think you you do not need to still do that.
Like you need to still be cute with your partner and stuff, and
like, are you just chasing a feeling of excitement or is
there seriously incompatibilities that will
never be fixed? Like, I don't know, I think it
depends, but. So I think sometimes.
People are just like chasing a distraction.
Yeah, I mean, we've talked about this on the podcast too, which I
think is one reason why this really struck a nerve with
people is like, I hate the way a man will view a woman
differently after she's given birth and now that she's a mom.
Like, obviously her personality is different and she might not
be the same woman that you fell in love with, but you have to
adapt and grow together as a couple.
And that's kind of the vow that you made.
I think It's obviously Elvis. The marriage is.
Yeah, exactly. Obviously, if the marriage is
over, it's over. Like, I'm not saying I judge
people for getting divorced. Like sometimes that's what you
need to do. But I personally like this is
just how I feel when you get married.
If you really think that that's for life and you made a
commitment to each other that isn't much more serious breakup
other like, then it Otherwise be If you weren't married and if
you really were so confident at that time to make that decision,
I think you have to put in some effort before calling it quits
completely. Like these divorces where one
person is totally blindsided. I know because it's like, OK, it
seems like the person just like, woke up one day and decided
like, Yep, that's it. And leaving them for someone
else too. I don't know.
So I I feel really bad for his ex-wife.
I just can't imagine how much insecurity that would inspire.
You know him leaving her for Ariana Grande like, Oh my.
God. At least they're being not super
public about it. Yeah, that's true.
That's true. Maybe she's learned a little bit
in that regard. But jeez, when Wicked comes out,
that's something to watch, huh? The press.
The press on that wish is going to be.
Juicy. Yeah.
Who does he even play? What?
Oz? I've never actually seen the
musical. I don't know the.
I have seen the musical, but I don't remember it so well.
I don't know. Damn.
All right. Well, who's another new couple
that you have? Well, how about we do a
pregnancy? Oh, yes.
This I was saying to Mel that this episode is kind of like
that page that's always in People magazine where it says
breaking up first day marriage, You know, yeah, just a round up
with everything going on. But I don't think we've talked
about this on the podcast yet. But we have to It's that Robert
Pattinson and Suki Waterhouse, his girlfriend, are expecting a
baby. And you know what?
They were probably expecting the baby when we had recorded that
episode. I know.
And I wanted to read a an e-mail from a listener we got from Cena
and it says about this. It says hi Kellen, Mel.
I just wanted to say how much I love your podcast.
Oh thanks. You're both so funny, inspiring
and such a joy to listen to. I started listening to you guys
around November 2021 with another Bite of Twilight, one of
the best podcasts ever. That was our previous podcast.
Thank you. I wanted to share some news if
you haven't already heard, but maybe you already have.
I don't know. If you're still interested in
Robin, Kristen news dot dot dot. Of course I know.
Hang on. I know, right?
What? Like as if we're not anymore.
Till I die. Till I die my whole life.
I hope everybody knows that we're still super invested, you
know? Oh yeah, yeah 'cause yeah, we
used. Some people might not know, but
we used to host a Twilight podcast and Rob and Kristen were
our inspiration for this whole Dang show.
So yeah. I will never not care about
that. OK then, Zena continues.
But it's 2023 and they're still making headlines together.
I'm sure you guys already know, but if you don't, Suki is
pregnant Eek, which is super exciting.
I want to know if you guys have any feelings about that.
Loli know I do. Also, did you hear that
Katherine Hardwick was recently on Josh Horowitz's podcast?
She mentioned that she crashed Rob's birthday party and she saw
Kristen there while she was retelling the story.
Apparently, Kristen also crashed Rob's most.
Recent birthday party which is crazy.
Maybe I'm being very delusional and overly hopeful, but I think
of that as a very major Robson update.
I know Kristen and Rob are both happy in their own
relationships, although it's sometimes nice to reminisce and
wonder what if. Ha ha.
I hope this e-mail finds you well and don't sound like a
crazy Twilight fan lol. Just felt like as previous host
of the best Twilight podcast out there.
Oh, thank you. You might have some good
thoughts on this from Zenna. And then and then next e-mail,
she actually said about the Rob and Kristen interaction.
I know this is kind of a tangent from the Rob and Suki news, but
said she said that apparently she rang the doorbell and asked
Rob if it was OK for her to come in.
And he said of course that's why I heard, I heard from the
podcast with Catherine. But OMG, my heart was fluttering
when I heard that. Like what else happened?
Did they talk afterwards? Wait, Kristen rang the doorbell
and asked. Is it if I come in?
Yeah. Who?
How did she even have the idea of who did she even go with?
I know I'm. So curious.
They must really be in the same circle that it's not weird for
her to be there. I know.
I wonder how Sookie felt about it.
Did you see that video where Taylor Lautner was like, oh, it
was really hard because me and Rob were never close.
No, I didn't. He would not.
I have to watch the full interview.
But he went on the Call Her Daddy podcast and he was like,
yeah, he was like, it's just like, it was really hard because
me and Rob are such different people and we were never close.
Yeah, we. Could kind of like it was kind
of awk that we could tell. I I want to listen to that more,
to care what he heard, but we could tell they.
Did not hang out? No way.
No, never have not hung out since.
Yeah, I think Rob is really not that close with that many
people. I've said that many times.
Yeah. But about, Yeah, yeah, about him
and Suki, though I well, it. I mean, it must really be over
with him and Kristen. In a way, and it.
Just kind of like the nail, Yeah, it should be This is the
Nail in the goblin. I really don't think that
they're getting back together, and this is something we've
known, but it's kind of like Santa Claus.
Like it? Takes you a while.
We still believe, but yeah. Yeah, every now and then you
feel that little, you know, hint of magic, and you hope that by.
Maybe when they're like 80 years old.
Yeah. No, I shouldn't even say that.
I know, but I really am happy for him and Suki.
And she was performing at a concert in November and she had
the visible baby bump. And she said, oh, I'm extra
sparkly today to hide what's going on here, but I don't think
I'm doing a good job. And she just, she just looks
like she was glowing. She looks so beautiful and like
seeing her perform with a pregnant belly.
I can't. Believe.
It it just looked you like the epitome of love.
And I saw today that there are headlines that she's wearing a
ring on that finger. Again.
OK, I've had some wine. I'm fangirling right now.
I just can't believe Robert Pattinson.
What is going to have a baby? Got somebody pregnant.
It's just it's just crazy. Oh my God, Can you imagine being
pregnant with his child? I am jealous like.
I am. But that that child would be so
beautiful. So insanely, you know whoever
this kid is is going to be the next Napoo baby model or actor
or something. Like I just know it.
Oh. And they're going to be
beautiful, those eyes. Oh my God, I wonder what their.
Name is going to be I know something Pattinson.
Oh my God. Yeah, there's going to be like a
next generation Pattinson. I wonder how Gustin feels.
Let's make guesses on if it's a boy or a girl.
Yeah, and the weight, I don't think we'd ever find out, but
actually I'm. You know what I originally
thought, girl, But I'm. I'm going with boy.
I guess I feel, girl. I feel yeah.
Have you seen those videos that are from gender reveal parties
that are like, I'm your Mama and I think you're going to be a
boy? No, I haven't.
Oh yeah, it's like, and then what?
Emily. And then they like reveal it at
the end. I don't think.
I don't think Rob and Suki would have a gender.
Reveal party? No, I think.
I think they won't reveal the name for a really long time.
I think no one will even know the gender of that kid for.
But I was, I was going to say that Kristen saying like, is it
OK if I come in? To me, that does show that there
is still a little bit of awkwardness.
Yeah. Which I like because that shows
me that it that it mattered, you know?
I know. I like that too.
It wasn't casual. It wasn't just like, Oh yeah, I
walked in. It was like, it was weird.
And that's good. Can I?
I feel like he's not the kind that would say no, though.
No, no, no. I do think it's polite if you
show up anywhere unannounced. Yeah, maybe say something, but
it's true. I've never shown up to like a
party unannounced. I don't think an EX2 that is
pretty that is pretty bold. What about, like, in college, a
party that just a random party? Yeah, yeah.
That's true. But a birthday party.
But he probably had a lot of people there.
What's with Robin, his birthday party?
He's like, don't get. It he has one every single year,
like and they're not even big ages, like when you're 30, when
you're 35, when you're 40, Yeah, no, he.
Does like 34. Yeah, every.
And it's a big birthday and all the celebrities go, it's like,
how could you have this possibly every single year because
everybody else has a birthday too.
And like, are people going to birthday parties every single
weekend in Hollywood? Well, I remember when we did the
Robin Kristen episode and that was like the most granular
detailed because Part 2, you know, we did like every single
day they were seen together, they went, they did go to so
many birthday parties. Yeah, they did.
And they broke up over his birthday party.
Like people don't know that. Like people think they broke up
because of the cheating. They got back together.
And then supposedly she threw him a birthday party or a
birthday celebration and he chose not to go.
He didn't show up. So.
Like for the people in Hollywood, the famous, It's kind
of like how back in history balls were all the rage and
everyone went to balls. They just have birthday parties
like 3 * a week. Yeah, all the time.
Oh yeah, I'm going to Beyoncé's birthday.
Oh yeah, I'm going on so and so's birthday.
Yeah, that's true. Because, like, also they
probably have so many acquaintances that they're
really bad at, like capping it off here in New York.
I only have, like, I could count all my friends on my hands.
So I'm not going to be throwing a party.
But I guess if I knew so many people and knew so many people
wanted to come. Yeah, I mean they go to birthday
parties for like 18 year olds. It's weird.
So weird. Oh, you would also think that
Rob is so private that he wouldn't be the kind of guy that
would want to have a big. I know.
Birthday party and have the attention on him every single
year. That's another one of the
world's mysteries. Yeah.
Robert Banzon in general is such a mystery.
I know I'll never really fully understand that guy.
Crazy someone will get to call him their.
I know. I feel like he's been wanting to
be a dad for a long time, so. Yeah, he used to say.
He always wanted to be a young dad.
He's so goofy. I feel like he'd be really fun.
Yeah, happy for for all of you. Congrats.
So, OK, so my next celebrity breakup.
This is a sad one. I so in my superlative, I said
saddest breakup. I gave that honor to Hugh
Jackman and his wife, Deborah Lee Jackman.
They were married for 27 years and they released a statement a
couple months ago that said we have been blessed to share
almost 3 decades together as husband and wife in a wonderful,
loving marriage. Don't they always say that our
journey now is shifting and we have decided to separate to
pursue our individual growth? Our family has been and always
will be our highest priority. We undertake this next chapter
with gratitude, love and kindness.
We greatly appreciate your understanding and respecting our
privacy as our family navigates this transition in all our
lives. I just find it so sad when
people are married for that long.
That is so sad. That breaks my heart.
I know because you're because they're.
I looked at like videos, like they or their Instagrams like
they seemed so happy up until then.
Of course, everyone's always showing the highlight reels, but
it's like your life is so intertwined. 27 years.
That's how old I am. They had been married for as
long as I've been alive. I'm going to start.
Crying. Also, I don't know how to say
this, but I feel like a lot of people were kind of shocked that
they had been together in the 1st place, because Hugh
obviously is regarded as the sexiest man alive, whatever, and
she's not. She doesn't look like, I don't
like you guys, know what I'm saying?
She's a beautiful woman, I think, but she's just kind of
more like she looks her age. She is a little bit older than
him too. Like she has grayish hair.
Is this who your mom said? Like you should cover them?
It's so wonderful he's been with her.
Yeah, I think so, actually, yeah.
But the implication was kind of like because she's not as
attractive as him. Yeah, yeah, she has.
She's has just like a more natural look than some of those
guys than the women that they traditionally would date, I
would say. I know.
But unfortunately, we're like, so used to male celebrities
always dating extremely perfect eye candy.
Younger. Like 20 years younger.
Yeah, yeah. So that's who I had for SAD.
What about you? Let's let's lighten the mood.
OK, new couple. New couple.
New couple This feels like this started a long time ago, but
it's still 2023. Gotta gotta mention them.
Timothy Chalamet and Kylie Jenner.
People hated this couple. They were, really.
Upset about it, I know. I feel like myself included.
I was like, what? Yeah.
But actually, when I saw the video, and I'm sorry guys, I'm
sorry if you're listening, I know you're not.
I know it's invasive, but when I saw the video of you guys making
out at a concert, I didn't think that's cute.
No. And I started to ship it a
little bit I. Think Kylie is actually my
favorite of the Kardashians? Really.
She's just like, she just is who she is, You know, if you ever
watch interviews of her, I feel like she's not trying to be that
serious the way some of the other ones are.
Yeah, you. Pointed out to me that she is a
single mother and that's really sweet of him to be totally cool
with that because we all know that there are some guys that
wouldn't be and he is a pretty young man still and that's nice.
Yeah, I think they looked really cute.
And at the US Open too. Yeah.
They they looked beautiful together.
I think they're both really great looking and they're young
and I know I'm cool with it. I feel like the reason why
people thought it was weird is kind of like mistaking them for
characters, you know, like thinking, yeah, he speaks
French, whatever. But thinking that he literally
is like his character in Call Me By Your Name and oh, he was in
Little Women, like, oh, he's this, I don't know, indie
literature guy. And then she's this, like,
popular girl, even though that doesn't even exist outside of
high school. Like that's not a thing.
But even if that was the case, an unlikely pair is really.
Yeah, people. I mean, we usually love that.
So I don't like in TV shows and movies.
So I don't know why in real life everybody was like, what the
heck. Because I think that people,
yeah, people do see him as a serious actor.
Like, you know, was he nominated for an Oscar?
Yes, for calling me by your name.
You know, his name is always brought up for Oscar nominated
films. He's very highbrow in that sense
and people regard the Kardashians in general as very
trashy. And you know, having all this
plastic surgery, they look down on them, but they probably have
a lot more in common than we think.
So we don't know them. Yeah, I think they look good
together. Yeah.
I looked them up because I thought you'd bring them up, and
I read that in August it was reported that they actually
don't spend that much time together because they're both
very busy, but that they talk a lot, apparently, according to
the tablets. Man.
We always hear that I know did seem like it did seem like she
was at the Wonka premiere and she was at SNL when he hosted.
She was there. That's good.
In the audience? Yeah, wow.
I saw these fans were really upset because they had been
waiting in line to get the standby tickets and then they
were told last minute that the seats were given up to the
Kardashians. That's kind of what you get,
like if you are like waiting standby at anything though,
that's why it's called standby. That is upsetting.
I know. All right.
How about so breakup? Yeah.
So another superlative I had was for least shocking breakup.
So the most shocking breakup? Taylor Swift and Joe Alwyn.
Because I feel like that was. It was shocking.
That was breaking news. But looking back in hindsight,
it wasn't that shocking. I feel like there was little
signs that, you know, I think people did.
Think they were going to get married, so I.
Think so. But when you listen to Midnight,
it's the album. Like a granted is just an album.
There are like I feel like hints that maybe wasn't working out,
but I. Still think it does deserve the
title as most shocking? Yeah, I think so, too.
Least shocking. I put.
I didn't even know they had broken up.
But when I just read it right before recording this episode,
not surprised Kellyanne Conway and her husband George Conway.
Kellyanne Conway is famous for being Donald Trump's advisor or
not advisor aide. Well, I don't know if the same
thing during his presidency. And also was his campaign
manager for a while and her and her husband were married for
over 20 years. But during Trump's presidency,
her husband George was very vocal about disagreeing with
Trump's policies and just hated him so much.
And on multiple occasions, him and Kellyanne would get in spats
on Twitter publicly. And I think they also get in
spats over because their daughter Claudia started get
gaining attention on Twitter and Instagram.
Around this time, he also would fight over their daughter online
as well. What the heck?
Because she was, like, a little wild.
And he would tweet. She would tweet something
disparaging about Biden. And then George would retweet
it. And I say something about Trump
back. And it's like, Trump was her
boss. So yeah, I didn't like, how do
you then go home and, like, sleep in the same bed?
Like what? Still live on closed doors?
Like do not fight online, but so they decided to go their
separate ways. But it does seem like they're
still pretty amicable. In July, someone tweeted at
George criticizing him for supporting the Supreme Court's
ruling on affirmative action. And Kellyanne actually came to
his defense and said he earned his way or something like that.
And she said he got Twitter famous for attacking his wife.
She said this. She said he got Twitter famous
for attacking his wife and her boss.
But he's earned respect for making his way, relying on merit
and hard work. It's kind of funny, she came to
his defense, but also nice of her for the bus.
But yeah, that isn't surprising. That's what surprising is.
That they didn't get divorced beforehand.
I I can't wrap my head around that.
Fighting with your spouse on Twitter?
That's. Nuts to me, yeah.
And then I feel like Kellyanne would be asked about that and
she would be like, that is a private matter.
It's like you're making it everybody's business.
I know. Wow.
Do you think that's the reason they're splitting up?
I don't know why they wouldn't have broken up before.
I mean, I think it would be really hard if you were married
to someone and they were working for someone who you really were
like. I cannot support this at all.
I feel like there was probably already a loss of respect in
some way if you're going to fight each other on Twitter.
Yeah, I feel like there's probably you're at the point of
no return, but it is unfortunate for the kids.
They had young kids in school that's making it a mockery for
them. True.
Sad. Light in the mood again.
Who's another new couple or happy couple?
Oh yeah. Should I do a pregnancy?
Should I do a new couple? Oh, well, actually Maggie
Licious commented on our Patreon and said I was surprised that
Ashanti got back with Nellie and then said and she is having his
baby, which I don't know that much about that, but that is
crazy. I just feel like kind of a
throwback to the early 2000s that, yeah, I'm looking it up
right now, rekindling your romance.
Like they first got together in 2003.
Wow. On and off since 2003.
That is crazy. 20 years. Ago.
Wow, that's that's nice that. I mean, it sounds a little
dramatic, but after 20 years, I feel like that probably is the
guy that should be the father of her kid.
So that's interesting. That's.
Sweet that they found their way back to each other.
Yeah. Messiest celebrity breakup.
Do you know who I'm going to say?
No. This is a couple that people
were asking us to do and maybe we'll do it next year.
If you guys want to hear it. This was Joe Jonas and Sophie
Turner. Oh, yes.
This one was messy, 'cause it seemed like, first of all,
people were shocked when they broke up.
Like all these Jonas Brothers have their wives, that's their
thing. Now they're all happy married
with kids. Yeah.
And they seemed really in love. But it was reported that they
were breaking up, and it was really confusing because a
couple of days after the reports came out, he then posted this
black and white photo where his wedding ring is, like, really
prominent. He want, he wants us to look at
his hand and then like the next day he announces that they're
getting divorced. And the tabloid The Tabloids,
are reporting that Joe has been raising the kids by himself for
the past couple months while she's back in England.
And people are thinking that he's manipulating the press to
make it seem like she's an absent mother in order to garner
support, like sympathy from folks.
But then a couple days later, she filed A lawsuit against him,
claiming that he was refusing to hand over their passports and
was illegally keeping the children from returning to
England. So in a way, a more dramatic
thing that you could say is like kind of accusing him of
kidnapping in a way. Super, super messy.
But it seems like they did resolve it and now we're fine.
And you know, we haven't had any drama since then, but really,
yeah, not great. I think soon after that some
other celebrity thing happened though and really took the
attention off of them, so. And what was that?
I forget. Maybe it was a tailor.
It was something, yeah, probably was Taylor, but Taylor Swift was
then like out with Sophie, I know.
Like paparazzi shots, I think. That is weird though.
Like when did you ever even meet her?
They hung out together like they would do double dates with like
Joe Alwyn and like Sophie Turner and oh really Joe Jonas?
I mean, she Taylor dated Joe Jonas though back in the day,
so. OK, I guess they were really
friends. I didn't know that.
I thought that she just called her up because she was a famous
woman going through a breakup and she was like.
No. Hey, come hang out with me.
Taylor literally has so many friends.
Do you think you can ever have too many?
It's like, how could you really be close with that many people?
I do think you can have too many friends.
I do. Just seems like she's like, so
close. We got Blake Lively, we got
Selena Gomez, we got Suki Waterhouse, we got Gigi Hadid,
We got Sophie Turner, We got the Heim sisters, we got Lord, we
got Like and then. Abigail's still in.
The. Background, yeah.
Yeah, Abigail, like, how many go to girls can you have?
I mean, it's good that she's like, super popular.
Lena Dunham. Is she still her friend?
Yeah. I don't know.
Yeah, so many people. It's like endless.
It's crazy. It's crazy.
But yeah, I would say, I mean then.
Recently Sophia has been rumoured to be dating the
British aristocrat perjuring Pearson.
I never heard of him. But then a couple days ago, she
was photographed by paparazzi kissing who Who appears to be
like maybe a female friend, maybe more than a friend.
So I saw that. I'm not sure, like who knows how
long of a kiss it was. You know, pictures can be
misleading, but interesting. What's going on?
I know, I feel like public opinion, like the stories
initially tried to villainize Sophie, but the whole break that
made Joe seem like an ass, Yeah, yeah.
I wasn't buying that. We have two other pregnancies I
wanted to mention. Lot of babies.
Babies, babies, babies. Halle Bailey, who recently
played Ariel in Little Mermaid, is expecting a baby with rapper
DDG. So we're happy for them.
I feel like there's actually not as much to say about.
I know expecting is that. And then Sierra, as you reminded
me, is also expecting the singer Sierra with Russell Wilson, who
you taught me is the quarterback for the Broncos.
They're having a baby. Used to be the Seahawks.
We can all look out for that. All wait.
Excitedly. Yeah, Kelly.
Like when someone's pregnant, she loves to look at their
Instagram, see the belly growl. I do too.
It's it is exciting. And but then, once the baby's
born, Kelly loses interest. Yes, I do.
There have been many models and like mother Instagram accounts
that I've followed while she's pregnant and then once she has
the baby, I unfollow. I'm sorry.
I love that. I love, Oh my God, when Ashley
Graham was pregnant with twins. Oh yeah, those babies full term.
She was so pregnant. Yes.
Yeah, I do. I do love watching the baby
grow. And when they do the, like,
monthly updates, like the baby is the size of a avocado, it's
so cute. It's fun to see.
It's the miracle of life. It.
Is it is miracle of life? Continuation of the human
species. It's exciting.
I do like babies too, but I don't know when it's somebody I
don't know. I don't know if I want to follow
the those. Pictures Yeah, that's where it
feels like it's too much. But the pregnancy?
It's exciting. But I actually haven't done that
in a while, so. I wonder if Suki like if she'll
start posting. Pregnancy.
She should. I would love that, I know.
Do you have any more breakups for us?
Not really a breakup. I guess you could see this as
sad, but I put for most enduring romance, I put Jimmy Carter and
Rosalynn Carter. They were married for 77 years
and Rosalynn recently passed away at age 96 years old.
And yeah, I know 77. That's crazy cause with the
years for like, you know, like how there's a gear for each
anniversary gift that stops at 60.
So they went 17 years past that, like that you?
Didn't know that so. Yeah, 'cause most people don't
make it that far. Yeah, I know.
My, I have a new boyfriend. He we were talking about this.
He's like, gosh, I probably won't make it to 77 years
married. It's like, well, you're 32, so
mathematically probably not possible.
But what is their secret? I know, So Guess got this.
So I didn't know anything about them, but they both came from a
small town called Plains, Georgia, where there were just
600 people. And Jimmy's mother, Lillian was
a nurse who delivered babies and she actually delivered Rosalynn.
Is it Rosalynn or Rosalynn? I think it's Rosalynn actually.
She delivered her in 1927 and a few days later she brought her
then three-year old son Jimmy over to meet the newborn baby.
So they met. Yeah, Jimmy was three years old
and Rosalynn was an infant, just days old.
And they grew up in the same town.
And while they were growing up, Roslyn was a close friend of
Jimmy's little sister. And then Fast forward to when
they're older. She was 17 and he was 20 and
they went out on their first date and they just fell in love
immediately and they got married a year later.
Oh my gosh. Isn't that so sweet?
And yeah, they were married for 77 years.
And Jimmy, he's been in Hospice for a year.
I can't believe he's, to be honest, still alive.
Like, I I don't know if that's bad to say, but like, literally,
usually when you hear someone's in Hospice, you think like
they're about to. But he doesn't look well, he
looks very old. But at her funeral in November,
he was draped in a blanket that had her face.
On it. Oh my gosh, I can imagine.
I know what happens to everybody.
But losing someone after that long together?
Just. I know, I'm not sure just by the
look of him. I don't want to assume, but
like, it seems like he might not even be able to understand it.
You know, I did see some people debating like if that he should
have even been brought there because like he was
photographed. It was a kind of jarring how
sick he looked. But it's sad, but it's a happy
story because we all are going to die.
And like, it's the best case scenario to be married to
someone for that long and to share that life together, all
those memories together from when she was an infant to 96
years old. Like that's the best case
scenario. They're just babies.
Literally babies and say what an adventure like he being the
president of the United States and I would love to cover them.
I hope that we don't uncover like you know, who cheated.
I know. I'm afraid of that.
I don't know much about him. I really don't.
I know I just went on Wikipedia as we were talking and
apparently he's the longest lived president in U.S. history.
Why is he 90? He must be 99, right?
Wow. Wow.
But I don't know a lot about him.
I really don't. I know.
Me neither. Hmm.
Yeah, maybe we should do an episode about them.
You know, I kind of hate that I spoiled like the cutest parts.
No, there's more. There's more to the story.
I have a list of weddings from this year.
I love it. I love weddings.
I just read them off. I don't have a lot of, like
information or details or anything about them, but, you
know, this is our scrapbook of the year or yearbook 2023.
So this is what happened from a couple episodes ago.
Our star of that episode, Jack Antonoff, the musician and music
producer, married the actress Margaret Quali this year.
They got married in New Jersey in August.
And that wedding was attended by a lot of famous people that
we've talked about before. Taylor Swift, Channing Tatum and
Zoe Kravitz were there. Cara Delavigne and Lana Del Rey.
There were huge crowds of people just because of Taylor Swift,
which is embarrassing of her fans.
Yeah, that. I don't know.
I don't know how that Jack would and Margaret would feel about
that. But yeah, kind of takes away
from their wedding. Yeah, but I'm happy for them.
Good job. And then this this just got
married. OK, this is really old school,
but I just thought it was interesting.
Frankie Valli married Jackie Jacobs.
Now he's really old. He's 89 after two decades of
dating and his song Can't Take My Eyes Off.
You play It in the background of their wedding.
That's. Funny, that's just such a
wedding song. Like, it's just, I know
everybody plays. That, Yeah.
It's so funny at his wedding when he's 89, he.
Didn't sing it live. I know.
I guess if he's 89, maybe he's. Maybe he couldn't.
A woman named Jackie Jacobs. It was his.
Fourth marriage. OK.
Well, congratulations. Yeah, good fourth marriage.
That's crazy. But I guess they were dating for
two decades so. OK, so they were serious about
each other. Yeah.
She's not just in it for the. Money.
Also, who got married? Naomi Watts and Billy Crudup.
Feel like we've. Oh, you mentioned them here.
Even I did not even know that they were together.
I didn't know that either. Congratulations.
Beanie Feldstein got married. I didn't know this to Bonnie
Chance Roberts. They were married in the Hudson
Valley. Congratulations.
It's like, this is like the newspaper.
Yeah. Announcements.
I feel like the big wedding. She's not even.
She is famous, but like Sophie Ritchie.
Yes. And Elliot Grange.
Yeah, that wedding looked gorgeous.
It was in the French Riviera. Yeah.
So classy and elegant. Yes, that wedding was just
somehow it just got a lot of publicity in me rounds and it
was so beautiful and inspiring. Most beautiful wedding of
20/23/2023. Also who got married?
Kate Bosworth and Justin Long. I don't really know what Kate
Bosworth is famous for. She's an actress.
She was in 21 Superman Returns when a date with Tad Hamilton.
OK, yeah. And then Justin Long, I always
think still of the I'm a Mac, I'm APC commercials.
Yeah, I think about when you did Drew Barrymore.
Yes, he did. For a while.
But they got married. I don't even know how they met.
You know what? Like we didn't.
We don't know. We could do an episode about
them if you guys want it. But I know this is like we're
dipping our toes. In Yeah, we don't know.
But they were married at the Rockaway Hotel in Queens.
So that's very nice. Congratulations Simone Biles got
married to. Yes.
She married Jonathan Owens. Who?
NFL player on the Green Bay Packers.
I'm reading. Yes, two athletes married
wedlock Sia. You know, singer Sia also got
married to a man named Dan Bernard.
I'm reading that he's a producer slash set director, so he's in
the film industry. But it was a very small wedding,
only six people in Italy. And that's just so sick because
she's so private, you know, she covers her.
Face. I didn't even hear about that.
Just insanely private lady little Abigail Breslin got
married. Remember her?
Oh yes, I forgot that she got married.
And she married. Well, you know what I got to
look up? What?
This guy who this guy's known for?
Little Abigail from the sunshine, Yes, my sister's
keeper. She got.
Married to Ira Konyanski. Who is he?
He's an investor. I think.
You know, he's just like a normal business guy.
OK? I think Nice.
He's not an actor. He's not a singer or anything
like that. Yeah, I'd be like Breslin.
I feel like we just, we grew up with her, you know?
We knew her. She hasn't been in the spotlight
as much recently, but. Yeah.
Happy for you. Oh, Oh yeah.
And then Vanessa Hudgens got married.
Just Oh yeah, it just happened. Right.
Yeah, yeah. Vanessa Friend.
Like friend of the pod. We love her.
So adorable. She looks gorgeous.
Star of three episodes. And again, she's a testament you
can go through a breakup with someone, date them for many
years for 10. Years.
Happy. Yeah, 10 years and then before
you know it, you can be happy and find love again.
So. Yes, one of our listeners
messaged us. I'm trying to find it right now
because I want to give them credit.
I'm not going to find it, somebody messaged.
I'm so sorry. Someone messaged us and pointed
out that Ashley Tisdale was not invited.
Oh yes, I saw that too. Actually, someone meant tagged
us on TikTok and told us that too.
I don't know if she wasn't invited or she wasn't a
bridesmaid. She wasn't a bride set.
Like, was she there? I don't.
I don't know for sure. But you know what if she wasn't?
I get it. Yeah.
We've been this message. This whole time.
Yeah, maybe, Vanessa's realizing.
Like, sometimes you got to be, you know, really think about who
your friends are. Yeah, I'm pretty sure, and I'm
going to trust you. I'm pretty sure the listener
that message just said wasn't there.
I did notice that any of you guys noticed that?
I mean, it's probably no big deal.
It's so hard with weddings. But Vanessa was a bridesmaid in
Sarah Hyland. You know Sarah Hyland from
Modern Family to her wedding from Wells Adams from The
Bachelor. And Vanessa didn't have Sarah
Hyland as a bridesmaid. Isn't that always awkward?
You know, that dilemma. Super awkward.
That's a whole discussion we could have.
Oh my God. I know, I do think if someone
made me a bridesmaid in their wedding, unless I really was
confused, like why did you pick me?
I would probably make them a bridesmaid.
And if I was still, if it was like not soon after and like we
were still close. You just kind of have to.
I mean, yeah, maybe if a ton of time went by and things changed,
it's fine. But.
He's a he's a good friend. I would say this guy is like his
friend now. OK.
But my dad has a friend named Barry, and my dad was actually
the best man in this guy's wedding.
And my dad is like, to this day, it's my biggest regret I didn't
even invite him to my wedding. Why didn't even invite him?
I don't know. But guess get this, my dad It
might have been after they had already been married.
My dad learned that my mom actually dated this guy for the
last two months. Yes.
No, your life could be went on. I know he didn't invite him.
He didn't even invite him. My dad's like, we just weren't
really talking that much. But he's like I I it's one of my
biggest regrets because I was the best man in his wedding.
Like, not even a regular groomsman, the best man.
And this guy, I have met him. Oh really?
The families like have gotten together for both down the Cape
or something at the same time. Wow.
And they do keep in touch. But they had grown apart by the
time my dad was getting married. Which is why they didn't really
connect the dots that like, my mom actually had also dated.
Mary. I know, crazy, but she dated a
lot of people, so. What do you guys think
listeners, about your wedding party, your maybe your real
wedding party? You're hypothetical.
Whatever people that you're inviting, are you inviting
people that? You've hung out with recently or
you Are you thinking about like the people who have been in your
life for a long time, even if you haven't?
I know you know, seen them as much.
Recently I don't. So I think that's what my dad
did. He he based it off of who he had
been in contact with at that point.
But I think with your bridal party, you got to go with like,
you got to go with the O GS who like have stood the test of
time. You don't want those people who
could potentially be temporary friends, take, you know, I mean,
maybe they might be a lifelong friend.
But you just don't know yet. You just don't know.
No, I'm curious. My high school friends, like,
really have like, there have been times when we were a little
bit less close when we were in college.
But like, years later, I'm really realizing, like, wow,
those are like my truest friends.
Like they've been here all along, so.
Me too. If any of them are listening.
I love you guys. And Brittany, of course, that's
a college friend. But OK, I have one more
marriage, I put. Well, no, I actually have two
more. One of these is just so random,
but I included it just because I didn't know this is still a
thing that Prince Ludwig of Bavaria and Sophie Evikin got
married and I didn't know that there was still a Prince of
Bavaria, like, part of Germany. So I didn't either.
I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.
I mean, I I would love to learn more about it.
I really, I'm so interested in that.
But I didn't know that was still a thing, so that was
interesting. I also read that Sophie lost
consciousness during the wedding or something.
So. What?
I hope she's OK. I don't know anything more about
that. But that happened this year.
And then my last thing. This ties into significant
lovers, too. We've talked about him.
Buzz Aldrin, the astronaut. Oh yeah, Married Doctor Anka.
Anka Far. It was his fourth marriage, and
he's 93 years old. It was on his 93rd birthday.
Yeah, that would not fly in our family if our grandpa got
married. Oh, that's so true.
Our moms. Would have been hiring a lawyer.
Yeah, I know. That's such a good point.
Like I feel like that has to be stressful for the film.
Not that like you should be like after your parents inheritance
and stuff, but it's a thought. I can understand being like, who
is this woman? What's happening?
What the? Hell yeah.
What is going on? Wow.
I mean because like at that point it's like why are you
getting married? I know.
It's not like you're going to be sharing your like to me, it's
like it's sometimes marriage is a practical reason I guess maybe
to have a spouse in the ICU. You can't have a girlfriend or a
boyfriend or a non married partner in there, so maybe
that's fine. I guess it is sweet, but part of
me does wonder what is up with getting married for the 4th time
when you're 93? Yeah, like what does that even
mean anymore? I don't know.
I know. Maybe he's a romantic, I don't
know. I know we wish them the best.
We know that he is a ladies man. A party year.
Yeah, he likes to have fun. So congratulations.
I didn't make any notes, but like predictions, this is sad.
But couples that might break up is that bad.
I didn't think about this. I know If you have anything top
of mind, let me think. I don't think that as much as I
said that I thought they were cute.
I don't think that Timothy Chalamet and Kylie Jenner will
stand the test of time. Yeah, I'm not sure if they're
going to get married. I.
Do want the best for them? Yeah, I don't just think that
Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez will make it, but I don't know.
I think they have too much pride to break up anytime soon.
I think they're going to still keep trying, but.
I don't think they're going to be like Jimmy and Roslyn Carter,
though. Like numb.
I mean, they're not fooling me. Yeah, Who else?
Who? Would be like a curveball, An
absolute curveball. What about like?
Would you need a break up? Yeah, like no one sees it
coming. What about, like Kate and
William? I have.
I mean, I hope they make. It but that would be that would
be very dramatic. That would be the definition of
curveball. That would be huge press.
I hope not. Oh my gosh, Charles and Camilla.
I would lose it. Oh my God.
Yeah. No.
No, no, there. There's no way they're breaking
up. I said this in the episode but.
They're in it for the. Long.
Even if they hated each other, I think they would stay together.
Yeah, because they don't, they would not want that press.
Yeah. Who do you guys tell us?
Who do you think might break up next year?
Yeah, tell us that. 'D be funny if we did like a
giveaway. OK, make your predictions if
you're right. Yeah.
What would we give out that would?
Be so kind of on that. I know.
It's like what? Is wrong.
We could do +1 Who do you think's going to get married if
you're right? Oh, get a prize.
Maybe we could do a new couple. Who's gonna get together?
Yeah, two people. They are not together yet, but
if you predict that they will get together, and if you're the
first person to tell us, well, I'll I honestly, for real if you
tell us who you think this new couple is.
You can only submit one guest, though.
If you get it right and they end up getting together in the new
year, we'll give you what I'm trying to think of something.
We could give them what's like a romantic gift.
We'll send you, like, a really nice box of chocolates.
And stickers. And a car.
And a love letter. Yeah, we'll send you a Valentine
from us to you. Yeah, we'll send like a really
extravagant Valentine if someone predicts a couple that will get
together. I just want to say one thing.
Yeah, I'm just throwing this out into the world.
And I know I'm like the only person, but you know, I'm
obsessed with Lana Delray. And she had that, like, weird.
This also happened this year. It was reported that she was
engaged to this guy, everyone and Kurt, But then it seemed to
not be true. And nobody really knows what was
going on with that. But I just want to know.
I want to know if anybody else in the world follows him on
Instagram, because I do. And does anyone else watch his
stories? Because I do and I.
Swear. The beach he's always on, I
swear, looks like her beach in front of her house.
Does anyone? I just want to know, does
anybody else think that? I feel like I'm totally alone in
the world, but I think that they still hang out.
But I just want to know if anybody else thinks that.
So I'm just putting out my case and let me know.
What you think? I I think no one is ever really
alone in anything. Someone else has thought it too.
I hoped I tried Googling it and. There's so many.
Didn't find anything. I got to tell you, I work with
so many Lana Del Rey fans. Like we talk about Lana Del Rey
all the time. I wish that you were at lunch at
my job because she's like the talk of every conversation.
Me too. No, this I feel really creepy
about, but I I'm pretty sure it looks very similar to like where
she lives, and I shouldn't even know that, but I do, and I just
want to know if anybody knows what's going on.
And that's my big mystery of 2023.
Maybe she's listening, Lana. Let us know.
Lana, we love you. I'm sorry if I'm creepy, but I
just. I just love you and I.
Want to know when you know? You know well that that is 2023
in a Wow, So what a crazy year. What a whirlwind.
Seriously. Oh my God.
For me looks way different than it did when I went into it.
So many chapters. It was a good year.
That's cool. But we hope that 2024 for you
guys is filled with love and happiness and growth and just
like everything that you all deserve.
And thank you so much for listening.
Thank you so much. Next week on our Patreon bonus
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Did they or didn't they type episode?
Secret episode. Yes, one that we have heard
might be divisive might be. Very divisive.
You either believe that they were together or they weren't
and never been confirmed, But we lay out evidence of why people
think that they might have been together.
We do not say one way or another, but it's going to be
fun. It's like a two hour episode I
think. And we bring in an expert.
Yeah. To Hell's this?
Yes. And we love you guys.
Thank you for listening. And we'll get back together.
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Shall I come back again? 10 Medium.