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The youngest killers in Irish 
history were actually so young 

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that they went to their own 
murder trial holding their 

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mummy's hand. 
But when you hear the crimes 

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that they were convicted of, 
you'll understand why their 

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identities have to be protected 
for the rest of their lives. 

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Outlaw. 
Hello and welcome to Outlaw 

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podcast. 
I'm Eleanor Neil and today we're

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serving you up a true crime case
from the vault. 

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This episode was originally 
posted to my YouTube channel 

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years ago before we existed as 
Outlaw podcast, but I think it's

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time we add it to the Outlaw 
catalog. 

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So now I will hand back to me 
from the past to take it away 

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with today's vault case and 
quickly before we jump into the 

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case, I do just want to give my 
usual disclaimer that I mean 

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absolutely no disrespect to 
anyone that I talk about in this

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video. 
This video is for educational 

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purposes and everything that I'm
about to say is just information

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that I have found on the 
Internet and I'm piling into one

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video. 
There's a few content warnings 

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as always with these videos. 
So if any of the following 

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themes that I'm about to say are
things that you don't think you 

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can watch right now, I 
completely understand. 

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They are very heavy topics and 
you need to look after yourself.

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So click out of this video if 
you can't watch. 

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I'll probably find you again at 
some other point, I'm sure. 

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I mean, please do come back. 
I want to see you again. 

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But the themes for this video 
are as follows. 

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Sexual assault, manipulation, 
bullying, and poor mental health

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like declining mental health or 
mental illness. 

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So if any of that is something 
that you don't think you can 

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watch, like I said, click out. 
No hard feelings. 

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But with all of that being said,
let's just jump into the case. 

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Anastasia Creasial was a 14 year
old girl originally born in 

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Russia on February 18th, 2004. 
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think she was around one or two 
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put her up for adoption and that
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adoptive parents, Geraldine and 
Patrick Creasial. 

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Geraldine was an English woman 
and Patrick was a French man, 

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and the two of them were so 
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couldn't have one themselves, 
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adopt. 
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they were over the moon. 
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moved to Ireland, specifically 
County Kildare, where she was 

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now raised for the rest of her 
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And while her adoptive parents, 
Geraldine and Patrick, didn't 

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have any links to Russia 
themselves, they wanted to make 

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sure that Anna always felt in 
touch with her roots all her 

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life, like as she was growing 
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They tried really hard to keep 
her Russian culture and her 

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heritage very much a part of her
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Like they kept her name 
Anastasia. 

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I think Anastasia is actually a 
Greek name, but it's very 

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popular in Russia as well. 
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They didn't rename her. 
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proud of her roots and where she
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They were never going to hide 
the fact that she was adopted. 

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They were never going to hide 
the fact that, you know, she was

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from Russia and she had Russian 
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They wanted her to know all that
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it. 
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very happy go lucky kid. 
She loved to perform, sing, 

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dance, act. 
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shows for her family and stuff. 
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mother who said she spent hours 
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music and practicing her moves. 
Anna even started a YouTube 

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channel as a child where she 
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random videos of her just being 
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She would dance in the videos, 
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someone more just like vlogs 
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She would just, she liked 
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YouTube videos. 
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were on. 
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entertain. 
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overarching thing of all of 
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She loved to perform, she loved 
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She loved to make people laugh 
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But as she grew a bit older, 
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less happy, go lucky and a lot 
more just problem after problem.

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This girl had such a hard time 
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She suffered with quite a few 
physical illnesses over the 

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years. 
I don't really know all of them 

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to be able to name to you, but I
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things that she suffered with. 
At one point she developed a 

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tumor behind her right ear that 
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hearing. 
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that ear. 
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surgery to remove this tumor and
she was left with a massive 

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scar. 
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actually from eye surgery 
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eyesight. 
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actually linked the tumor behind
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saying that the tumor might have
caused it. 

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her eyes to correct her 
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And that was what the scar was 
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So she was struggling with a few
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overall, she was a happy child 
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But when she was about 11 years 
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primary school and head on to 
secondary school, which is big 

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school. 
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she was going to go in big 
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In fact, they were so concerned 
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Anna's mother to say that they 
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actually be a target for bullies
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She was already picked on a 
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although I wouldn't say it was 
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I don't know, I wasn't there. 
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was just more like teasing in 
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always tall for her age and tall
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When she was 14 years old, she 
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And to put that into 
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foot four. 
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foot. 
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girl was Anna. 
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time she was 14. 
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she was at 11 when she was 
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height. 
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girls. 
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her height because it made her 
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It made her stand out from 
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didn't like standing out. 
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self-confidence, probably from 
the the teasing and being picked

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on and stuff. 
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socializing. 
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and so she didn't make friends 
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She, I don't know, she really 
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honest. 
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she looked like she lacked 
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They can like smell the fear and
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then they pick on them ones. 
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Anna was so desperate for 
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she struggled socially and with 
making friends. 

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And her teachers worried that 
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friend or a friend group could 
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advantage of maybe by other kids
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teachers concerns became a 
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Anna really struggled to make 
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She really didn't have that 
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She was left out of a lot of 
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But the saddest part is was that
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really nice girl. 
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She was so kind, she was 
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She wanted the best for 
everyone, but she just lacked 

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social skills. 
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but no one was ever going to 
find that out because she 

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couldn't talk to people long 
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her. 
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Anna was bullied relentlessly. 
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it was just more teasing and 
picking on her every now and 

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again. 
All the kids kind of did it to 

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each other in primary school, 
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Anna was a target. 
They would pick on her for a lot

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of different things. 
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Her social skills were another. 
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adopted because she knew she was
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Everyone knew she was adopted 
and they always used to tell her

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that she had fake parents, which
is just awful. 

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But a lot of the bullying that 
was directed towards Anna was 

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actually online through like 
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She also experienced a lot of 
hate comments on YouTube and I 

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don't think they were from the 
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They might have been, who knows.
You can make like an anonymous 

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YouTube account but she used to 
get a lot of negative comments 

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on her YouTube videos. 
She was just a kid having fun 

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and there'd be like angry adults
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is so stupid mirror. 
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worse and worse and worse 
overtime until they were 

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eventually like death threats in
her YouTube comments, people 

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saying that she should be 
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It was awful. 
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Maybe she wasn't even that old 
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She was like 12, getting death 
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A lot of the comments would 
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well, which is just disgusting. 
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men online and there's men 
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That's not what I meant. 
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her. 
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13 years old at this point, she 
was volunteering at a Halloween 

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event. 
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party at the local community 
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She was just helping out to be a
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This was supposed to be a really
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Anna was really, really excited 
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She loved doing things like 
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She loved helping people out. 
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out to be one of the most 
traumatizing nights of her 

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entire life. 
Anna was working when she was 

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approached by 4 much older boys.
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and like I said, she was 13 at 
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So immediately she was 
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And these boys could tell that 
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it. 
They were like laughing and 

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joking with each other. 
One of them even turned to Anna 

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and said, you're going to have 
sex with me, Anna, and grabbed 

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her bum. 
This is a 13 year old girl, 

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right? 
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This is a much older teenage boy
and she is terrified in this 

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moment. 
She's just been sexually 

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assaulted by this man. 
Actually, I said, man, I don't 

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know how old they are. 
They probably were boys, but 

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still, Anna was just absolutely 
traumatized. 

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She ran home from that Halloween
party crying and she went to her

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mother, and her mother said that
she just couldn't console her 

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daughter at all. 
She just had to hold her while 

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she sobbed, which is just 
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As soon as I read that, as soon 
as I read her mother's quote 

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about how all she could do was 
just hold her daughter as she 

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sobbed, like my heart just 
breaks for her. 

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She was 13. 
To have your innocence broken in

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such a way at 13 when you're so 
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shy, like, I just want to give 
her a big hug. 

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Her parents helped her report 
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And the police ended up finding 
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They went to his house and they 
gave him a caution, but that's 

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as far as that went. 
And this incident was a pretty 

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big blow to Anna's already very 
fragile mental health. 

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That's one thing I haven't 
mentioned yet is that Anna was 

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really struggling mentally in 
her teenage years. 

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She was very depressed a lot of 
the time and on occasion she 

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even found herself self harming 
to to deal with these feelings. 

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And as soon as her parents found
out about this, they tried to 

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help her in every way that they 
could. 

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They got her into the mental 
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therapist. 
They want a her to be happy. 

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It took Anna a little while to 
come round to these counseling 

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sessions. 
I mean, she was such a shy girl 

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that going in and speaking to a 
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for her. 
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She was a very brave girl. 
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worker noted on Anna's file that
they were really concerned about

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her inability to make friends. 
They could see how much that was

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having an effect on Anna. 
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affected by her lack of friends.
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friends were her cousins. 
She didn't have any friends in 

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school, or well, I mean, she had
certain people that she would 

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talk to, but no one that she 
could actually call a friend. 

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Her father said that when he 
would go and pick Anna up from 

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school, he would see all these 
other groups of girls walking 

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out of school, talking, joking, 
laughing together. 

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And then there would be Anna 
walking alone with her earphones

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and just looking down at the 
ground. 

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She wasn't talking to anyone. 
Her father said that he thought 

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the other kids just didn't 
understand stand Anna. 

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They thought that she was a 
weirdo. 

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That's a genuine quote. 
They they called her that and 

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that's not me calling her that. 
But she wasn't she had a heart 

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of gold. 
She was just such a nice, lovely

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person. 
She loved to perform, she loved 

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to entertain. 
She was cool. 

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She was a cool girl. 
But none of them could see that 

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because they never even gave her
a chance. 

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She was misunderstood. 
She wasn't weird. 

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She just struggled to socialize 
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chance really. 
On May 14th, 2018, Anna Creation

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had school as normal. 
However, in the afternoon she 

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actually had a counseling 
session, one of these therapy 

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sessions that her mom set her 
up. 

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And so she was gonna have to 
leave school early. 

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She was gonna go to school for 
her first few lessons, then 

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leave, go to the counseling 
session. 

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So for that reason, she needed a
note from her mother to be able 

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to like show it to the teacher 
and be like, let me leave. 

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So her mum wrote her a note. 
She gave her a kiss goodbye and 

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then her mum went off to work. 
Anna got herself ready for 

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school, walked to school as 
normal and did her lessons. 

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She went to that counseling 
session, everything was good, 

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everything was normal. 
She came back home, she made 

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herself a little bit of food and
as her food was cooking, she 

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just gave her mum a ring. 
Her mum actually didn't answer 

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at the time because she was in a
meeting. 

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She just texted Anna just saying
like in a meeting, give you a 

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call back later. 
So anyway, Anna had made her 

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food and she just took it up to 
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And that's just kind of what she
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She just kind of took herself up
off to a room and did her own 

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thing, you know. 
But just before 5:00 PM that 

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evening, there was a knock at 
Anna's door. 

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And her father went and opened 
it. 

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And there there was a young boy 
around Anna's age, and he was 

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asking for Anna. 
Her father asked this boy's 

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name, and he gave him it. 
And so he called up to Anna. 

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And he was like, Anna so and 
so's here. 

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And she was like, what? 
She came down to the door and 

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she was very surprised to see 
this boy here because she didn't

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really know him. 
I think she knew of him. 

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They were acquaintances, but he 
had absolutely no reason to be 

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knocking on her door. 
They were not this close at all.

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So she was really confused and 
kind of weirded out. 

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But she went over to the boy 
anyway and she spoke to him, 

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asked him what he was there for.
Her father remembered the two of

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them kind of whispering a little
bit back and forth, and he kind 

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of took the hint that he wasn't 
wanted there and that the kids 

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didn't want him to hear what 
they were saying. 

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So he just left the room, left 
them to chat for a little while.

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After a few minutes, Anna walked
into the room where her father 

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was. 
And she was like, oh, I'm just 

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gonna go out for a few minutes. 
I'm just gonna run up and grab a

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jumper, and then I'm leaving. 
So she did. 

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She went and grabbed this black 
hoodie. 

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It was like her favorite hoodie.
It had all these, like, white 

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prints on it. 
I'm sure there's a picture of it

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somewhere. 
She grabbed it, put it on and 

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then went out of the door with 
this boy. 

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And then a few seconds later, 
her father realized, oh crap, I 

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didn't actually ask her where 
she was going. 

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So he ran back to the front 
door, swung it open, but by the 

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time he got there, Anna was 
already too far down the road 

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for him to be able to shout to 
her and ask. 

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So for that reason, he didn't 
bother shouting over to her. 

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He was like, oh, she'll probably
be back in a bit anyway. 

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But when he did look out of the 
door, he saw Anna and this boy 

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walking in the direction of a 
park named Saint Catherine's 

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Park. 
However, they weren't actually 

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like walking together. 
Weirdly enough, they were 

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walking. 
It seemed the boy was quite far 

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in front of Anna and they 
weren't talking, so kind of 

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weird. 
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Anna left the house, her mother 
Geraldine finished work and so 

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she grabbed her phone and 
returned the call from Anna from

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earlier. 
But when she did it went 

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straight to Anna's voicemail, 
which wasn't like her. 

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She was normally very good at 
keeping her phone charged and 

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answering the thing, but she 
wasn't too concerned to be 

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honest because she was literally
on the train home. 

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She knew that she was about to 
see Anna in like 10 minutes, so 

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she didn't bother call in again 
or anything. 

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When Geraldine did arrive home, 
she walked into the house and 

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saw her husband Patrick, and she
was like oh, where's Anna? 

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And he was like, oh, she went 
out with some boy. 

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Some boy came and called for her
and they went out to the park. 

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And as soon as Geraldine heard 
this, it immediately worried 

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her. 
Now for a lot of parents, it 

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wouldn't worry them to hear that
their kid has gone out to the 

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park with a friend, very normal 
kind of stuff. 

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But not for Anna. 
Remember, she didn't have 

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friends. 
She didn't go to the park with 

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friends. 
It's very sad. 

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But she didn't. 
And so to her mother, this was 

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actually a red flag. 
She was actually concerned about

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who this friend was and why they
were going to the park because 

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no one ever called for Anna. 
They were very worried about 

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what this boy's motives were 
with their daughter. 

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Geraldine was just very, very 
concerned and she wondered what 

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was best for her daughter. 
And so at 5:30 PM, she text Anna

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saying home now. 
She waited a few minutes, but 

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she got no response and so she 
decided to text again. 

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This time she said answer me now
or I'm calling the police. 

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But again there was no response.
Patrick mentioned to Geraldine 

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that he'd seen the kids walking 
in the direction of Saint 

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Catherine's Park, and so 
Geraldine wasted absolutely no 

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time. 
She put on a coat and she went 

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out to that park. 
She was running around it 

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looking for her daughter, but 
Anna just wasn't there. 

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So instead, she decided to go 
back to the house, jump in her 

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car, and then just drive around 
the streets of that town looking

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for her anywhere. 
But again, there was no look. 

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No one could find Anna. 
She still wasn't returning 

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anyone's texts or calls. 
And at this point, her parents 

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were desperate. 
All they had to go off here 

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really was that she was walking 
in the direction of Saint 

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Catherine's Park. 
But they checked there and she 

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wasn't there. 
So the only other thing that 

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they really have to go off is 
that she was with this boy. 

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But they don't even know the 
boy. 

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Luckily he did tell Anna's 
father his first name when he 

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knocked on the door. 
He was like oh I'm so and so can

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Anna come out. 
So they knew his first name. 

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All they needed to do now was 
find out his last name and then 

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they'd be able to find out more 
information on this boy. 

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So the two of them went to 
Facebook and they started typing

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in this boy's name. 
Eventually they found him. 

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So now they had this boy's full 
name but they couldn't find his 

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parents linked to his Facebook 
or anything. 

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They couldn't find any 
information about him. 

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So they start calling up all of 
their their parent friends. 

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So like other adults that had 
kids that went to Anna's school,

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they were ringing around 
everyone they knew and they were

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like, do you know this guy? 
Do you know his parents? 

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And everyone was like, no, I've 
never heard of that kid, sorry. 

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As time was going by, it was 
getting later and later and 

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obviously darker as well. 
And so they were all the more 

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concerned about Anna, who was 
now out there in the dark 

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somewhere. 
She really wasn't the type to be

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out after dark. 
She was a very sensible girl. 

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She would always update her 
parents, always text them back, 

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call them, let them know where 
she was. 

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And she hadn't done any of those
things today. 

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And by now it was 9:00 PM. 
She'd almost been out with this 

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boy for four hours and not once 
texted her parents. 

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Her parents knew that something 
was seriously wrong. 

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This was not like their 
daughter. 

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Their daughter would not be 
acting like this unless she was 

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actually in trouble. 
So with that, Geraldine and 

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Patrick walked down to the 
police station and reported 

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their daughter as missing. 
And because of her previous 

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mental health struggles, 
suicidal thoughts, herself 

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harming and stuff, her 
disappearance was taken very 

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seriously. 
Although it didn't seem like it 

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was relevant to the case really,
it didn't seem like Anna had 

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gone out to take her own life 
that day, very much seemed like 

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she'd just gone out to the park 
with a friend. 

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But still, it was always a 
possibility and it was always a 

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concern. 
And so everyone got on Anna 

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Creagles disappearance case 
ASAP. 

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The police knew that their 
biggest lead to be able to find 

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Anna Creagial was that boy that 
she'd left the house with. 

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And luckily for them, her 
parents had done some digging 

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and found his full name. 
So they had this boy's name. 

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They managed to look him up on 
the database and they found his 

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address. 
And so police went down to his 

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house for legal reasons. 
In this case, this boy is known 

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as Boy B. 
And so for the rest of this 

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video, we're going to be calling
him Boy B or B. 

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He was also thirteen years old 
at the time of this case, which 

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is actually a year younger than 
Anna. 

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But anyway, police arrived at 
his house and they explained to 

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his parents why they were there,
that a 14 year old girl had gone

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missing and their son was the 
last person to have seen her. 

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So he was a very big part of 
this investigation now. 

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So police sat him down in his 
own living room and they asked 

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him a bunch of questions about 
Anna, about what you'd been 

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doing earlier that day. 
And he just said he didn't know 

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anything. 
He literally said he had no idea

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where she was. 
He said that he'd gone to the 

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park with Anna that evening for 
less than an hour. 

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They weren't even there for a 
full hour. 

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And he decided to leave at about
5:40 PM. 

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That he had homework to do at 
home. 

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So he ran home and did his 
homework and he actually left 

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Anna in the park. 
He said that she didn't set off 

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home. 
He like she was still sat on the

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park bench as he left. 
So after that, he said he had 

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absolutely no idea what Anna did
or where she went if she met up 

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with anyone else. 
And that was all Boy B could 

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really tell the police about 
that night. 

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And with that, they really 
didn't have much to go off in 

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this investigation. 
They had no idea how or where 

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they were going to find Anna 
Krishel next morning, so it had 

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almost been 24 hours since Anna 
had last been seen, but she 

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still hadn't contacted anyone. 
She hadn't turned up home, she 

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hadn't returned any texts or 
calls or anything. 

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So police put together a search 
team who all went out manually 

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looking for Anna, alongside a 
lot of her friends and family as

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well. 
They were all jumping in their 

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cars and going to all the places
that Anna frequently went to see

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if she was at any of them. 
They had a bunch of her family 

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members back at home, calling 
everyone she knew, friends, 

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00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,240
family, literally anyone. 
People from from school, 

456
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,000
teachers, anyone but none of 
them knew anything. 

457
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,280
None of them had seen her. 
She hadn't been in contact with 

458
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:24,680
anyone. 
She hadn't gone to anyone's 

459
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,600
house. 
It was literally like she 

460
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,200
disappeared off the face of the 
earth. 

461
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,560
So on this second day of the 
investigation, the detectives 

462
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,440
decided it would be useful to go
back and interview Boy B once 

463
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,440
again, because the first time 
they felt they didn't quite get 

464
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,440
everything from him. 
He was very nervous, which I 

465
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,000
suppose most kids would be. 
If police are knocking on your 

466
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,360
door and questioning you in your
living room, I think suspicious 

467
00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:51,000
or not, I think most kids would 
be nervous, so it might take a 

468
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,560
couple of questionings to get 
them to open up and talk a lot 

469
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,240
more freely about it. 
So the police went down a second

470
00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,200
time and you know what? 
It worked because he told him a 

471
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,080
lot more than he did the first 
time. 

472
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,960
This time he actually told them 
the reason why he was even going

473
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,680
to meet Anna in the 1st place 
that night. 

474
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,840
The reason he went and called 
for her and took her to the 

475
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,800
park. 
He said that the reason he did 

476
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:16,280
it was on behalf of his friend, 
who is known in this case as Boy

477
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:22,480
A Boy B said that Anna Krejl had
a huge crush on Boy A, but A 

478
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,560
didn't quite feel the same way. 
In fact, he was quite weirded 

479
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,160
out by the crush. 
It made him feel a bit 

480
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,000
uncomfortable. 
So on this particular day, Boy B

481
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,320
went over to Anna Krejl's home 
to get her and bring her to the 

482
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,720
park to meet with Boy A so that 
he could let her down gently. 

483
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,960
He said Boy B told the police 
that as soon as he brought Anna 

484
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,360
to where Boy A was waiting for 
her in the park, he decided to 

485
00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:46,600
just leave the two of them to 
get on with it. 

486
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,400
Like B just went, did his 
homework and left Anna and boy 

487
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,760
ear to talk through with this. 
So again, his story is kind of 

488
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,840
the same thing in that he left 
pretty much straightaway and 

489
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,520
didn't see anything. 
He didn't see how Anna left the 

490
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,400
park that night. 
He didn't know what happened to 

491
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,680
her after that. 
So police decided to use kind of

492
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,560
a different tactic here to get a
little bit more information out 

493
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,720
of Boy B. 
They decided to take him down to

494
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,360
the park and make him walk the 
route that he'd walked with 

495
00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:15,120
Anna. 
So they started this route and 

496
00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:17,920
he walks them into the park. 
He walks them over to to this 

497
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:22,000
bench where he was sat with her 
and I think some like tracks, 

498
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,840
like bike tracks or something 
where they stood for a little 

499
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,840
while and then he was out and 
then and then I left. 

500
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,880
So it wasn't very helpful. 
Unfortunately, there were no 

501
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,920
security cameras in these 
particular areas of the park 

502
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,000
where they'd, like stopped and 
talked and sat on a bench and 

503
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,560
stuff like that. 
So there was no way of 

504
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:44,400
confirming what he was saying. 
So like I said, kind of useless.

505
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,240
So yeah, the walk in the park 
was kind of uneventful. 

506
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,960
But police did now know that 
they had another boy involved. 

507
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,640
There was another suspect. 
Well, I say suspect at this 

508
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,320
point, they were just people of 
interest. 

509
00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:59,640
They genuinely seemed just like 
Anna's friends who were the last

510
00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:02,000
to see her on the day that she 
went missing. 

511
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,920
They weren't necessarily 
suspicious of these boys, but 

512
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,960
yeah, they had this second boy 
now. 

513
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,800
They managed to find out his 
name, his address, and they went

514
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,320
down and spoke to him too. 
But again, he said the same 

515
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:13,880
thing, that he didn't know what 
happened to Anna. 

516
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,240
He kind of said the same story 
as Boy B. 

517
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,880
He said that he was going to 
meet up with Anna to let her 

518
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,760
down gently. 
Boy B brought her over and he 

519
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,720
sat and spoke with Anna. 
He said for no more than 5 

520
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,040
minutes. 
He basically said his piece that

521
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,720
he wasn't interested and that he
wasn't looking for A 

522
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,880
relationship with her. 
And he just said that Anna 

523
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,160
looked very annoyed and she 
barely said anything. 

524
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,880
She was giving him like, one 
word answers. 

525
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,960
She wasn't talking to him. 
And then she just got up and 

526
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:41,880
stormed off. 
Yeah, he said that she took the 

527
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,400
news pretty hard and she didn't 
want to talk to him after that. 

528
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,360
And he didn't actually see which
direction she left the park, 

529
00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:51,560
which was frustrating because 
they didn't know if she'd tried 

530
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,120
to go straight home or if she'd 
gone on a walk after that or 

531
00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:56,040
something. 
They didn't know where she'd 

532
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,720
gone once she left the park. 
So once again, no new leads and 

533
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,600
police were looking at this case
thinking, well, we need we need 

534
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,360
to do something. 
And so they decided to take both

535
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:09,200
boys now back to the park a 
second time so that they can get

536
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,960
both of them to do the route. 
But on this second walk, they 

537
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,560
noticed that boy B, who had 
already done this walk once, by 

538
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,760
the way, he started taking a 
different route. 

539
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,760
What? 
How have you changed your answer

540
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,520
since yesterday? 
And there was also one section 

541
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,960
of this walk where one of the 
police officers looked at the 

542
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,680
two boys and saw them both 
exchanging a look with each 

543
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,000
other. 
Don't really know how to 

544
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,720
describe this look because, 
well, I wasn't there clearly. 

545
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,440
Basically, they were just trying
to communicate with each other 

546
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,920
through their eyes through this 
look. 

547
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,520
And immediately, as soon as the 
police officers saw this, they 

548
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,480
were suspicious. 
And that was all the police 

549
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,360
needed to see because now they 
were viewing these boys as 

550
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,880
potential suspects. 
They were no longer people of 

551
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,960
interest. 
They were now looking very 

552
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,840
suspicious and so they decided 
to take them back to the police 

553
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,760
station for questioning. 
But in the meantime, a missing 

554
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,440
person's public appeal was set 
up for Anna Creation. 

555
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,600
They were making these posters, 
putting her all over the news 

556
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,720
and the leads started to pour 
in. 

557
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,960
This was actually quite a high 
profile case in the area at the 

558
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,840
time. 
People were calling in with 

559
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,440
potential sightings of her, 
saying that they'd seen her at a

560
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,840
sewage plant or saying that 
they'd seen her in the airport. 

561
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,000
Police followed up on every 
single one of these potential 

562
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,200
sightings, but all of them were 
explained away. 

563
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,600
None of them were Anna Creation.
But anyway, now the boys were 

564
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,760
back at the police station and 
they were now being questioned 

565
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,280
in a formal setting as suspects.
Just want to remind you, these 

566
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:43,360
are 213 year old boys, 1313 
children, and it was in these 

567
00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:46,160
interviews where things just 
started to get more and more 

568
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,280
suspicious by the 2nd. 
So one of the first questions 

569
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,840
that both the boys were asked in
their separate questionings was 

570
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,240
how would you describe your 
relationship with the other boy?

571
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,840
Boy B said that he only really 
knew Boy A through school and 

572
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,240
that they were just 
acquaintances. 

573
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,560
They were just kind of in each 
other's class, whereas Boy A 

574
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,120
told the police that Boy B was 
his best friend. 

575
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,880
So one of you is lying. 
And it was there at the police 

576
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,280
station as well, where one 
particular officer noticed 

577
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,440
something about Boy Air. 
He was limping, and he kept 

578
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,800
holding his arm as if he was, 
like, in pain. 

579
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,280
So the detectives asked him if 
he was OK, like, why? 

580
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,120
Why are you limping? 
Why is your arm in pain? 

581
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:24,760
And he said, no, no, no, I'm 
fine. 

582
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,040
I was just jumped the other 
night by some older boys. 

583
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,360
In fact he claimed that he was 
jumped on the night of Anna's 

584
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:35,120
disappearance in that park, 
Saint Catherine's Park. 

585
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:38,080
And as soon as the police heard 
this, they were very intrigued 

586
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,760
for a number of reasons. 
First of all, if there were two 

587
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,480
lads in Saint Catherine's Park 
that were clearly very violent 

588
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,680
to be jumping a 13 year old boy,
could they also have had 

589
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,480
something to do with Anna's 
disappearance? 

590
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,240
So police were interested to 
find these two lads that had 

591
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,480
jumped by A so they got to work 
on that separately to try and 

592
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,080
identify these people. 
But also, they were intrigued 

593
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,000
for another reason, because what
if he was lying? 

594
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,920
What if Boyer was lying? 
What if he got these injuries 

595
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,840
another way that he obviously 
didn't want police to know 

596
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,960
about? 
And so he made-up this, this 

597
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,040
story about being jumped. 
I don't know. 

598
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,600
There was a lot to unpack here. 
And so police got to work. 

599
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,160
So they questioned him kind of 
separately about this incident, 

600
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,600
about him being jumped. 
And he said that he didn't know 

601
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,000
the boys that did it. 
He had no idea who they were. 

602
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,960
He didn't know their names. 
But he did manage to overpower 

603
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,120
them at one point. 
And he was really proud of this,

604
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:34,360
actually. 
He managed to overpower these 

605
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:36,400
older lads. 
By the way, sorry to keep saying

606
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,360
this throughout the video. 
He was 13, Boy A is 13. 

607
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,160
And he says he's overpowered 
these nearly grown men and got 

608
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,600
them to the ground and started 
kicking him in the head. 

609
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,600
Kicking him in the head. 
So police are listening to this 

610
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,520
story, and they're just kind of 
like, really? 

611
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,240
Are you sure? 
They just didn't really believe 

612
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,400
it. 
I mean, at first they did. 

613
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,000
When he was like, I've been 
jumped by two people in a park, 

614
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,200
they were like, oh, God, like, 
let's sort this. 

615
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:03,760
But then as soon as he was like,
yeah. 

616
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,080
And then I kicked him in the 
head and I got him on the 

617
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,640
ground. 
Police were like, regardless, 

618
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,040
the police did bring in an 
artist to create like an E fit 

619
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,640
sketch with boy Air of his 
attackers. 

620
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,600
This sketch was released to the 
public. 

621
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,760
It was also compared against the
CCTV that they had of the park. 

622
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,640
Well, what little CCTV they 
actually had. 

623
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,480
I think they had CCTV from maybe
one or two entrances, but it 

624
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,320
didn't have like cameras 
throughout the park. 

625
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,320
But no one on the CCTV footage 
that they saw entering or 

626
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,240
leaving the park matched the 
descriptions. 

627
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,640
No one, literally no one 
recognized these E fit sketch, 

628
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,720
which was a bit bit weird. 
So clearly this wasn't going to 

629
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,520
help them solve this case. 
And so instead they actually 

630
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,080
decided to seize boy ears shoes 
that he was wearing on the night

631
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,760
that he was jumped because, you 
know, if he kicked him in the 

632
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,800
head like he said, then there's 
probably some evidence on those 

633
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,040
shoes. 
If the men that jumped him had 

634
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,480
committed violent crimes before,
like jumping people, I suppose 

635
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,760
then their DNA would be on the 
database. 

636
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,400
And then if they took boy ears 
shoe that probably had their DNA

637
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,560
on it from when he kicked them 
and they, you know, took that 

638
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,080
sample and put it in the 
database, they'd get a match to 

639
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,160
whoever it was. 
So they did that, they took the 

640
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,200
shoes, they tested them and they
actually didn't find anyone. 

641
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:26,280
Police also decided to seize Boy
A's clothes and boy B's clothes 

642
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,760
actually, even though both of 
their mums had already washed 

643
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,520
the clothes that they'd worn on 
that day. 

644
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,640
All of these things, the shoes, 
the clothes, everything was all 

645
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,280
sent off to the lab for testing.
And it was going to take a few 

646
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,000
days to get some results back on
that. 

647
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,000
And so in the meantime, the 
searches for Anna Kregel 

648
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,840
continued. 
By now it was day three of 

649
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,880
Anna's disappearance, and still 
with no contact from her, she 

650
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,840
hadn't returned anyone's texts 
or calls. 

651
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,040
People were now starting to 
worry that maybe they weren't 

652
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,200
going to find her a lie. 
Maybe now they should be looking

653
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,600
for a body rather than for 
living, breathing Anna Kregel. 

654
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:04,080
And so they started to look in 
fields and bodies of water in 

655
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,880
wooded areas. 
But then on March 17th, 2018, 

656
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,960
police came across an abandoned 
farmhouse in one of the fields 

657
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,680
that they were searching. 
It was called Glenwood House. 

658
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,840
It was an old 17th century 
farmhouse that had been long 

659
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,360
since abandoned. 
I mean, the roof was caving in, 

660
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,920
the windows were boarded up. 
It was all fire damaged. 

661
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,400
No one had lived there for 
hundreds of years. 

662
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,840
But that didn't mean that it 
wasn't still in use because it 

663
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,600
very much was an unofficial use.
Actually, it was still 

664
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,400
technically abandoned, but the 
local teenagers used it as like 

665
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:40,080
a bit of a party party place. 
Just realized how uncool that 

666
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,280
makes me sound. 
But yeah, it was kind of like 

667
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,520
the place around town for like 
underage drinking, drugs, sex, 

668
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,720
away from the watchful eye of 
your parents. 

669
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,120
You know, there was a lot of 
shit that went down in this 

670
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,480
house. 
The once beautifully decorated 

671
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:58,120
farmhouse was now just covered 
in graffiti, empty glass drinks 

672
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,560
bottles all on the ground, 
condom wrappers on the ground. 

673
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,080
It was just minging. 
It was a horrible, horrible 

674
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,520
building to be in. 
To be honest. 

675
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:07,280
Police were actually quite 
familiar with Glenwood House, 

676
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,560
obviously, because it was like a
teenage party hotspot. 

677
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,800
Then police were getting called 
out there quite often. 

678
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,440
They knew what went down in this
house and they knew it wasn't 

679
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,280
good. 
And when they went in to search 

680
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,720
this house on March 17th, it 
looked the same inside as it 

681
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,680
always had been. 
There were still all bottles 

682
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,680
everywhere, condom wrappers. 
Although it was kind of hard to 

683
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,800
see anything in Glenwood House 
to be honest, because like I 

684
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,880
said, all the windows were 
boarded up, so there was no 

685
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,640
light coming in at all. 
So it was really, really dark in

686
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,960
there, even in the middle of the
day, which was going to make the

687
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,320
search quite hard. 
So they started making their way

688
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,720
from room to room inside this 
farmhouse, and they can't find 

689
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,680
anything. 
They're looking for literally 

690
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,320
anything, even a sign that Anna 
had even been there. 

691
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,520
But there's nothing in none of 
these rooms. 

692
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,840
And then the officers made their
way up to one of the upstairs 

693
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,920
rooms, which is known in this 
case as room 1. 

694
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,560
As they entered room one, it was
just as dark as the rest of the 

695
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,600
Manor, to be honest. 
But there was something 

696
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,560
different about this room. 
There was a strong smell of 

697
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:10,480
blood in the air. 
One officer walked forward into 

698
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,560
that room and he had a quick 
look around, although it was 

699
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,440
very dark, and he noticed 
something laying on the ground, 

700
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,360
kind of more towards the window.
So he walked towards it and as 

701
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,760
he did he started to make out 
what this thing on the floor was

702
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,280
and he said that it was either a
mannequin or something terrible.

703
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,920
He called the rest of the team 
up to the room with him, where 

704
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,400
they all came in and shone their
torches. 

705
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,600
And that was when they 
discovered the body of 14 year 

706
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,800
old Anna. 
She was found almost completely 

707
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,200
naked. 
She was only wearing her socks, 

708
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,040
and she was absolutely covered 
in dried blood. 

709
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,720
The officers could tell just by 
looking at her that Anna Krejel 

710
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,400
had been subjected to a 
horrific, brutal attack. 

711
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,960
At first, police actually 
thought there was like a piece 

712
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,680
of material draped over Anna's 
face, but on a closer look, they

713
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,240
realized that it was actually 
just her hair that was all 

714
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,920
matted with dried blood in it. 
She had blue tape around her 

715
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,920
neck when her body was found. 
And actually, three of her 

716
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,840
fingers were found like pushed 
underneath it as if she was 

717
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,960
trying to get herself free from 
it. 

718
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,520
Most of the injuries that she 
had sustained were to her head 

719
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,040
and her neck and kind of her 
chest as well. 

720
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,560
They were later identified in 
her autopsy to be blunt force 

721
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,239
trauma wounds. 
So it was confirmed that Anna 

722
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,199
was beaten very, very severely 
and with some kind of heavy 

723
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:32,960
weapon as well. 
And police actually found said 

724
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,679
murder weapon in that room. 
In fact, they found two. 

725
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,320
There were two weapons used on 
her. 

726
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,560
There was a big like a metre 
long stick with two nails in 

727
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,520
either end, which just sounds 
like a torture method to be 

728
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,639
honest. 
And then there was a concrete 

729
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:50,239
block that was used. 
Both of them had blood all over 

730
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,120
them. 
The concrete block even had like

731
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,199
chunks of flesh and hair on it. 
The floor around where Anna's 

732
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:58,320
body was laid was just covered 
in blood. 

733
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,200
I think the blood was even still
wet. 

734
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,360
There was that much of it that 
it just hadn't even evaporated. 

735
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,280
It hadn't even dried out. 
And her clothes, like I said, 

736
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,000
because she was found naked, her
clothes were found literally 

737
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,560
just thrown all over the room. 
Anna also had what looked to be 

738
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,360
a lot of self-defense wounds all
over her arms, all over her 

739
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,640
hands. 
She was really fighting for her 

740
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,360
life. 
And actually, she was wearing 

741
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,400
false nails at the time of her 
disappearance. 

742
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,720
And when her body was found, 
almost all of them had like 

743
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:30,680
popped off, suggesting that she 
had fought so hard for her life 

744
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,960
that they'd literally flown off 
during this struggle. 

745
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:38,240
This crime scene really was one 
of the worst the Irish police 

746
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:42,240
had seen in years. 
There was so much blood, so many

747
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:44,640
injuries, and she was so young 
as well. 

748
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,960
For her body to just be found in
some random upstairs room of an 

749
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,680
abandoned mansion, it was just 
so sad. 

750
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,200
So there seemed to be two 
particular parts of Room 1 where

751
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,920
the incident took place. 
It looked like it had kind of 

752
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,200
moved halfway through, the first
of which was pretty much as soon

753
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,000
as you went to the door, there 
was a big pool of blood right in

754
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,360
the entryway. 
And then there was another one 

755
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,360
over where Anna's body was 
eventually found by the window. 

756
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,000
It was suggested that Anna's 
attacker probably started 

757
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,080
attacking her as soon as she 
entered Room 1, but eventually 

758
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,480
moved her over to the window 
where there was a little bit 

759
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,160
more light, where it was coming 
in through the cracks in the 

760
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,000
balls on the windows so that 
they could see what they were 

761
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,440
doing to her as they were 
attacking her. 

762
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,680
And it was there where Anna 
Kregel was murdered. 

763
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,160
And her body was just left in 
this abandoned house for days 

764
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,040
until police eventually found 
her. 

765
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,120
So her body was taken for an 
autopsy where she was found to 

766
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:43,240
have over 50 separate injuries. 
Her eye socket was fractured. 

767
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:47,040
She had extensive hemorrhaging 
to the soft tissue in her neck. 

768
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,960
Her jaw was fractured, Her 
cheekbone was fractured. 

769
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,680
She had a huge laceration to a 
cheek, among many other things. 

770
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,480
There were so many injuries to 
this girl that I could barely 

771
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:57,920
sit here and read them all to 
you. 

772
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,760
But something else that was 
discovered during this autopsy 

773
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,440
was that Anna had been sexually 
assaulted as part of this 

774
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,480
ordeal. 
I mean, police had already 

775
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,880
theorized that she had because 
she was found naked, but to get 

776
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,440
this confirmation still, it just
felt awful that this 14 year old

777
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,280
girl had been through hell and 
back. 

778
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,920
But as they were investigating 
this sexual assault element to 

779
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,320
the crime, they realized that it
wasn't quite as clean cut as 

780
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,800
like yes she was raped or no she
wasn't. 

781
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,480
There had been signs of an 
attempted penetration. 

782
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,120
So they actually had no idea to 
what extent Anna had actually 

783
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,280
been sexually assaulted. 
There was no way of knowing from

784
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,520
looking at her body because 
there weren't any clues there 

785
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,840
really. 
Her autopsy was able to place 

786
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:47,160
Anna Krishel's time of death 
around 45 minutes after she left

787
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,200
the house. 
So she leaves the house with 

788
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,520
this boy that she don't really 
know, her boy B, and then 45 

789
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,600
minutes later she is murdered 
and sexually assaulted. 

790
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,640
But that also means that she 
probably never even read those 

791
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,360
text messages that her mother 
was sending her, telling her to 

792
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:03,720
come home and all that kind of 
stuff. 

793
00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:07,960
She was probably in the middle 
of her ordeal as her mother was 

794
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,560
texting us. 
So now the Irish police are left

795
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,240
to deal with probably the worst 
murder they'd had in recent 

796
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:16,360
years. 
And the two prime suspects for 

797
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,600
this case were 213 year old 
boys, two children. 

798
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,080
This was unlike any other case 
they'd ever dealt with, to be 

799
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,920
honest. 
Of course, following the 

800
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,400
discovery of Anna's body inside 
the abandoned building, police 

801
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,960
wanted to arrest those two boys 
ASAP because, well, I mean, it 

802
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,840
doesn't take a genius to figure 
out that if they were the last 

803
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,040
people to see Anna and then 20 
minutes later she's brutally 

804
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,240
murdered, they've probably got 
something to do with it. 

805
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:45,280
But because the boys were so 
young, it wasn't as 

806
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,160
straightforward as like, go into
their house, handcuffing them, 

807
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,920
arresting them. 
They couldn't do it like that. 

808
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,440
It had to be done differently. 
They had to follow a certain 

809
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,080
protocol and like, make a whole 
plan in order to arrest these 

810
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,520
boys. 
They had to notify the parents 

811
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,400
24 hours before, which is kind 
of mad. 

812
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,280
Like imagine getting a call 
being like, in 24 hours your 

813
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,600
child will be arrested. 
I think I'd have a heart attack.

814
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,960
So they went to arrest the boys 
in plain clothes. 

815
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,960
They were in, well, not even an 
unmarked police car. 

816
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,400
They couldn't be in the normal 
police car, obviously, but they 

817
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,360
couldn't even be in their 
unmarked police cars because 

818
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,720
everyone in town kind of already
knew that they were the unmarked

819
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:22,280
police cars. 
Imagine that, by the way, 

820
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,640
imagine a police force buying 
these cars to be unmarked police

821
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,720
cars so they can go undetected. 
But everyone in the town already

822
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:31,920
knows that they're the unmarked 
police cars, so they know it's 

823
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,240
the police anyway. 
I don't know. 

824
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:35,040
I don't know how that's supposed
to even work. 

825
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,040
But anyway, because everyone 
knew that the unmarked police 

826
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,840
cars were still the police, they
actually had to rent cars for 

827
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,080
the day to go and arrest these 
boys so that no one would 

828
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,720
identify the car outside their 
house. 

829
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,280
It was a whole the whole 
operation. 

830
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,120
But finally now both of the boys
were arrested and sent to 

831
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,000
different police stations for 
questioning. 

832
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,880
And when they were there, they 
took all kinds of DNA swabs, 

833
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,880
samples. 
They had to take all these DNA 

834
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,680
tests and. 
So that they could test that 

835
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,120
against the evidence that was 
found at the scene. 

836
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,920
Of course, the police had 
collected pretty much everything

837
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,120
that they could from that 
abandoned house that they 

838
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,240
thought was of use. 
They collected all of Anna's 

839
00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:14,480
clothing, those two murder 
weapons, obviously. 

840
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,240
But one thing I actually didn't 
tell you earlier is that Anna's 

841
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:20,800
T-shirt, when they found it on 
the floor, because all of her 

842
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,060
clothes were just thrown around 
this room, When they found her 

843
00:40:24,060 --> 00:40:27,480
T-shirt, it had a big semen 
stain on it. 

844
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,160
Of course, Anna wasn't just 
walking around like that, that 

845
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,040
stain and had come from her 
attacker. 

846
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,800
So that was quite a huge piece 
of evidence that they had of the

847
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,760
attacker that they knew they 
could match to one day. 

848
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,360
They just had to find the 
suspect. 

849
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,520
So they sent Boy A and Boy B's 
DNA samples off with all of 

850
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,240
these pieces of evidence and 
they were all going to get 

851
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:49,480
tested against each other. 
But like we always say, it would

852
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,280
take a few days to get those 
results back. 

853
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,840
So in the meantime, the boys 
were at different police 

854
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,600
stations and they were being 
questioned. 

855
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,200
So let's talk about that, shall 
we? 

856
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,440
Let's start with Boy B and his 
interview, because his is 

857
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,240
probably the most eventful. 
Boy B told the police about this

858
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:07,560
particular conversation that 
he'd had with Boy A about a 

859
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,560
month before this incident even 
happened, where Boy A approached

860
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,360
B and said, hey, want to kill 
someone. 

861
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:18,960
Boy B told the police that he 
said no, to which A said, well, 

862
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,680
why not? 
And B said, well, who do you 

863
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,800
even want to kill anywhere? 
To which A turned around and 

864
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,560
said so put yourself in Boy B's 
shoes for just a second. 

865
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,040
Your best friend has turned 
around to you and said they want

866
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,040
to murder a random girl from 
school. 

867
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,120
Do you want to know how he 
reacted? 

868
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:37,720
Do you want to know what he said
to his friend? 

869
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:41,400
He turned to boy Air and said in
your dreams. 

870
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,600
In In Your Dreams, he said in 
your dreams in reference to 

871
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,680
murdering someone in whose 
dreams? 

872
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,600
Who dreams about that? 
To be honest, Boy B said that he

873
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,360
didn't think A was being serious
with this at all. 

874
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,360
And so he just kind of left the 
conversation there. 

875
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,760
He didn't keep it going. 
They never revisited it. 

876
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,560
That was kind of the only thing 
he said. 

877
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,480
So anyway, Boy B's interview 
with the police continues. 

878
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,040
And at one point they actually 
turned to him and said, plain 

879
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,000
and simply, we know you're 
lying. 

880
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,120
They didn't know what he was 
lying about, though. 

881
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,480
That was the frustrating thing. 
They didn't know how involved he

882
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,560
was in this case. 
They just could tell that he 

883
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,080
wasn't telling them the truth or
the whole truth at least. 

884
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,720
But police were very patient 
with him. 

885
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:23,400
Actually, they were very gentle 
because they could tell that he 

886
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,320
was very nervous. 
He was a 13 year old boy being 

887
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,200
questioned in a murder 
investigation. 

888
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,080
So like he was, he was very shy.
And the police were so 

889
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,120
accommodating with this kid. 
Like they let him take breaks 

890
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,960
whenever he needed them. 
Whenever he was getting 

891
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,840
overwhelmed, he could go out for
a breather. 

892
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,280
One of the officers even walked 
to the shop and bought him a 

893
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,040
Ribena at one point. 
But even though they were so 

894
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,920
nice to him, that didn't change 
the fact that they knew he was 

895
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,040
was lying. 
They knew that he was involved 

896
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,040
and they were just waiting for 
him to confess it. 

897
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,840
And I think at this point as 
well, Boy B was kind of feeling 

898
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,520
the same way. 
He kind of knew the jig was a 

899
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,920
little after hours and hours of 
interrogation with his mother by

900
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:02,240
his side. 
By the way, because of his age, 

901
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:04,440
he had to have a parent with him
at all times. 

902
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,800
He actually said to one of the 
officers, do you mind if my mom 

903
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,720
leaves the room for a second? 
He wanted to tell them something

904
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,240
without her being there. 
The officers actually said to 

905
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:16,240
Boy B that they couldn't do 
that. 

906
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,640
Like, I mean, it was literally 
against the law to interview 

907
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,760
someone, a child suspect without
a parent present. 

908
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,600
They couldn't do that. 
They couldn't accommodate that. 

909
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,320
And so police actually never 
found out what he wanted to tell

910
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,360
them privately. 
So. 

911
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,440
And it was on maybe day two of 
these interviews. 

912
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,720
Oh, by the way, because the boys
were so young, I don't think 

913
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:40,320
they could put them in a cell. 
But obviously they needed to 

914
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,600
hold them at the police station.
So they actually brought beds 

915
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,400
for them and their mothers into 
the offices. 

916
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,160
And they, like, slept in A, in a
police station office, not a 

917
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,960
cell, an office overnight. 
So it was day two of these 

918
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,560
interviews and the officers 
presented Boy B with some 

919
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,240
damning evidence. 
And that was some of the 

920
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:03,760
forensic tests had actually come
back earlier than expected. 

921
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,720
It was actually the test on Boy 
A's boots. 

922
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:09,600
Do you remember his boots were 
sent off because he got jumped 

923
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,040
and they wanted to find out who 
jumped him. 

924
00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:15,520
Well, actually those boots 
proved very useful in Anna's 

925
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:18,000
investigation. 
They actually couldn't find any 

926
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,640
evidence on those boots relating
to his attackers. 

927
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,240
You know, the guys that jumped 
in, they couldn't find any DNA 

928
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:27,560
from any man on those boots 
actually for that matter. 

929
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,880
But the DNA that they did find 
on those boots was all Anna 

930
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,280
creations blood. 
So police told boy B that they'd

931
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,320
found this blood on his friends 
shoes. 

932
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,400
And the way that boy B reacted 
right, He turned to the police 

933
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,040
and he went, are you joking? 
Obviously the police were like, 

934
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,760
well, no, with with the police, 
we don't joke. 

935
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,480
They said to him it wasn't a 
joking matter and that they were

936
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,240
very serious and he looked pale 
as a ghost. 

937
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,200
As soon as they told him this, 
like this affected him, he asked

938
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,280
if he could go out for a 
breather actually, because he 

939
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,160
thought he was going to be sick.
So he went and stood outside for

940
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,600
a while and then he came back in
and he very much denied that he 

941
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:10,160
had anything to do with anything
that Boy A had done to Anna. 

942
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,840
Boy B said he had no idea how 
Anna's blood had got on Boy A's 

943
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,040
shoes. 
He had no idea that Boy Ear had 

944
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,560
even attacked Anna. 
But as the interview was going 

945
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:23,920
on, police started to see Boy 
B's cover story wearing away, 

946
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,600
and they started to see little 
glimmers of the truth, things 

947
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,520
that he'd been hiding the whole 
time. 

948
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,560
But then on the 4th day of the 
interrogation, so this was going

949
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,200
on for a long, long time. 
On the 4th day, there was one 

950
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,880
hell of a bombshell. 
Boy B walked straight into the 

951
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,880
police station on that morning 
and said to one of the officers,

952
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,120
What I told you yesterday was a 
lie. 

953
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:47,960
And he proceeded to tell them 
that he hadn't walked to Saint 

954
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,400
Catherine's Park with Anna 
Kregel that night. 

955
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,440
They didn't go to the park at 
all, actually. 

956
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,520
They went straight to Glenwood 
House to go and meet Boy Air, 

957
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,360
something that Boy B had 
conveniently left out of his 

958
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,880
story the whole time. 
And Boy Air, both of them had 

959
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,160
lied about where they'd been. 
But now Boy B was finally 

960
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,760
starting to tell the truth. 
So he told the police that he 

961
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,240
took Anna straight to Glenwood 
House where they met Boy Air and

962
00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:14,800
literally within minutes of them
getting there, Boy Air launched 

963
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,680
himself at Anna Creasial and 
began attacking her. 

964
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:21,880
He supposedly flipped Anna in 
some sort of like martial arts 

965
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,440
move and then he started pulling
her clothes off. 

966
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,920
He was hitting her. 
Boy B said that Anna was 

967
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:31,040
screaming and crying at this 
point, but Boy A kept trying to 

968
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,960
stifle the screams by putting 
his hand over her mouth this 

969
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,120
whole time. 
Boy B said that he was just 

970
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,160
standing there watching this 
happening and he was just kind 

971
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,760
of paralyzed with fear. 
He was frozen still and he 

972
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,320
couldn't move to save Anna. 
He couldn't even and run away 

973
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,000
the whole time he just stood and
watched his best friend 

974
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,040
assaulting this girl and he did 
absolutely nothing to save her. 

975
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,160
He didn't even say anything to 
his friend. 

976
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,920
And it was at this point during 
the attack, well during boy B's 

977
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,600
account of the attack. 
We don't know if this is true 

978
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:04,440
honestly, but according to boy 
B, the next thing that happened,

979
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:09,520
Boy A and Anna both turn their 
heads to look at him who is 

980
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,680
still standing in the doorway 
watching this happen. 

981
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,640
And he said that as soon as the 
two of them looked at him, that 

982
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,560
like filled him with even more 
fear and he just ran. 

983
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,240
He said he ran out of Glenwood 
House and as he did, he could 

984
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:24,720
hear Anna still screaming 
inside. 

985
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,960
And then all of a sudden, the 
screams became muffled again. 

986
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:32,080
It was as if Boy A had put his 
hand over her mouth once again. 

987
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,200
Boy B said that that was all he 
could tell police once again, 

988
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,600
because after that he just ran 
straight home. 

989
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,680
He was so scared that he didn't 
even tell anyone anything. 

990
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,640
Boy B insisted to the police 
that he had no idea that that 

991
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,840
Boy A was going to murder Anna. 
He didn't think he was being 

992
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,520
serious. 
He didn't know what Boy A's plan

993
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,200
was, but he definitely didn't 
think it was murder. 

994
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,480
But I would just like to call 
his bluff there for a second. 

995
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,000
He literally told the police at 
the start of this interview four

996
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,040
days ago that he had had a 
conversation with his friend 

997
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,440
where Boy A had specifically 
said that he wants to murder 

998
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,440
Anna Creation. 
So I don't know how Boy B can 

999
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,480
even say this. 
He obviously knew what Boy A 

1000
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:18,240
wanted with Anna on that day. 
He knew what he was luring Anna 

1001
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:21,160
into when Boy B knocked on her 
door that day. 

1002
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,720
He knew exactly what was going 
to happen to her, and he did it 

1003
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:27,080
anyway. 
So now that Boy B was finally 

1004
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,040
talking a little bit more openly
about this case, police felt 

1005
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,080
like they could probably squeeze
a bit more information out of 

1006
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,960
him. 
And so they decided to print off

1007
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,240
all the crime scene photos and 
present them to him and just see

1008
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:41,720
what his reaction was, see what 
he said about them. 

1009
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:44,720
And he was actually very 
startled to see one of the 

1010
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:47,200
pictures of Anna's body when she
was found. 

1011
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,000
And she had that tape on her 
neck because he said he 

1012
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,680
recognized that tape. 
Boy B said that it was his 

1013
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:57,120
father's tip that he'd actually 
borrowed from the garage that 

1014
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,800
same week and lent it to Boy Air
so that Boy Air could fix one of

1015
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,840
his toys at home. 
So Boy Air was in possession of 

1016
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,640
that tape when it ended up 
around Anna Kregel's neck. 

1017
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,240
Meanwhile, of course, at the 
same time that this is going on,

1018
00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:14,760
Boy B's questioning, Boy A is 
also being questioned at a 

1019
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,360
different police station. 
And he has no idea that Boy B 

1020
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,800
has started to tell the truth. 
And so Boy A is very much still 

1021
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,000
sticking with the original story
that they met Anna in the park 

1022
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,640
and he let her down gently and 
then, and then he went home to 

1023
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,360
do his homework or something. 
Obviously the police knew that 

1024
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,600
it was all crap. 
They knew that he was lying to 

1025
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,880
them because they'd already got 
the forensic evidence of his 

1026
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,360
boots back that had the blood 
all over them. 

1027
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,680
But the evidence was actually 
even more damning than that, 

1028
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:43,240
like even more than just having 
blood on your shoes. 

1029
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,320
They got a blood analyst in to 
actually look at the blood 

1030
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,240
pattern on the shoes. 
And they could tell from that 

1031
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:53,680
that boy A was the one 
inflicting the injuries on Anna 

1032
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,360
because of the way that the 
blood had splashed on him. 

1033
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,240
So it was just even worse. 
He couldn't even say that he was

1034
00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:02,600
just there and he just got blood
on him because the shoes proved 

1035
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,960
that he was the one beating her.
And the police told him this, 

1036
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:07,600
Yes. 
The police presented him with 

1037
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,120
this information as soon as they
got those tests back from the 

1038
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,040
lab. 
They were like, look, her blood 

1039
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,880
is on your shoes. 
We know that you did this. 

1040
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,320
And he was just like, no, I 
didn't. 

1041
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,960
No, I didn't. 
I don't know how we can deny it 

1042
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,680
when it's in front of him 
literally in black and white. 

1043
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:24,240
But he did. 
Somehow police could just tell 

1044
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:27,440
that they weren't going to get 
anywhere with Boy A in his 

1045
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,120
questioning. 
He was not backing down. 

1046
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,720
Boy B back down pretty quickly, 
I'm not gonna lie, but boy air 

1047
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,920
not going anywhere. 
Police knew that they needed to 

1048
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,480
get some evidence some other way
and so they decided to go and 

1049
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,760
search both of the boys homes to
see if they can find any any 

1050
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,920
clues in there. 
To be honest, I'm actually quite

1051
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,400
surprised that they didn't do 
this earlier on. 

1052
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,920
It might have taken them a while
to get like search warrants and 

1053
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,000
stuff, but as soon as they did 
this, it was like case closed 

1054
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,640
because they found so much in 
those boys rooms. 

1055
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,360
So in Boye's bedroom, he had 
this closet and right at the 

1056
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,680
back of this closet was a 
backpack that has since come to 

1057
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,320
be known in this case as the 
murder kit. 

1058
00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:07,240
So you can imagine what was 
inside. 

1059
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:10,120
There was a homemade Halloween 
mask in there. 

1060
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,360
There were shin pads, knee pads 
and some gloves. 

1061
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,480
All of these items were seized 
and sent for forensic testing. 

1062
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,120
But you know, take a few days to
get the results back. 

1063
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,880
They seized both of the boys 
phones and they didn't really 

1064
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,920
find anything at all on boy 
bees. 

1065
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,880
But boy is God was that a 
different story. 

1066
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:32,480
So they found that he had quite 
an interest in like dark scary 

1067
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,240
things, which like look at me 
and you sat here talking about 

1068
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:40,000
true crime. 
Like obviously being into dark 

1069
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,840
things and horror things is not 
an indicator that you are a 

1070
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,000
murderer and the police knew 
that. 

1071
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,360
But it did kind of tell them a 
lot about Boyers character 

1072
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,400
because a lot of his search 
results were about a lot of deep

1073
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,560
dark things like torture 
methods, like the 15 most 

1074
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,600
gruesome torture methods in 
history, which I've watched 

1075
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,520
those kind of videos before. 
I'm not going to lie, I'm very 

1076
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,880
interested in that. 
But he was watching a lot of 

1077
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,120
these. 
He was also very into creepy 

1078
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,280
pastors and reading about those,
especially Jeff the killer. 

1079
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,800
Jeff the killer was his favorite
little history lesson for you 

1080
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,680
here. 
Jeff the killer is one of the 

1081
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:17,120
most like notorious creepy 
pastors. 

1082
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:18,960
It's like a classic 0. 
And if you don't know what a 

1083
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,400
creepy pastor is, let me do even
more explanation. 

1084
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:26,520
A creepy pastor is basically 
like a fictional Horror Story on

1085
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,200
the Internet. 
It's like an urban legend, like 

1086
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:30,960
a horror legend. 
They're not real. 

1087
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,680
They're not real stories. 
Think Slender Man Slender Man 

1088
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,600
was a creepypasta, probably the 
most famous creepypasta. 

1089
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,520
It's not real, but it's a Horror
Story, an urban legend that 

1090
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,200
people talk about as if it is 
real. 

1091
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,400
But yeah, like I said, Boy A was
particularly fascinated with 

1092
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,320
Jeff the Killer. 
And if you're not versed on 

1093
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,280
your, on your Jeff the Killer 
law, then I'll tell you a little

1094
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,600
bit more about him. 
So Jeff the Killer starts out in

1095
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,080
this story is just a normal boy.
He's like a 13 year old boy, 

1096
00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,000
which by the way a side note 
probably why boy a connected 

1097
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,360
with this story so much. 
He could probably relate to Jeff

1098
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,360
the killer. 
So Jeff was a normal boy but 

1099
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:10,120
then he started getting bullied 
by these three boys who threw 

1100
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,680
lighter fluid on him and set him
on fire. 

1101
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,200
Remember, this isn't real. 
Just just in case you get upset,

1102
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,320
it's not real. 
He was left with a really 

1103
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,360
disfigured face. 
Like don't Google it's the 

1104
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,760
pictures that they're obviously 
fake, but the pictures are 

1105
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,520
creepy as Hellfire. 
And from that point on, his like

1106
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,120
disfigurement actually turned 
him mad. 

1107
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,120
He went, he went insane. 
All of a sudden he got this like

1108
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:36,880
taste for murder. 
He wanted to murder those school

1109
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,880
bullies that did that to him. 
He wanted to get revenge. 

1110
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,680
And so he did. 
He went and murdered all three 

1111
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,760
of them. 
But he wasn't done there because

1112
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,760
now he killed three people. 
Like I said, he got a taste for 

1113
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,640
it. 
And so he didn't stop there. 

1114
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:53,480
Jeff then went home and murdered
his parents. 

1115
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,720
He murdered his older brother, I
think. 

1116
00:53:55,720 --> 00:53:59,160
And as the legend goes, Jeff, 
the killer is supposedly still 

1117
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,200
out there taking new victims 
every single day. 

1118
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,920
But obviously it's not real, so 
don't worry. 

1119
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:10,200
Tangent aside, that was the 
story that Boy A was, I don't 

1120
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:12,160
know, some sources said obsessed
with. 

1121
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,000
I don't think he was obsessed 
with it. 

1122
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,960
I think he read up on it a few 
times and I think I have also 

1123
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,920
read up on it a few times. 
So that alone doesn't determine 

1124
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,960
whether he's a killer or not. 
Obviously reading about and 

1125
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:28,000
being into like dark and morbid 
stuff is not a red flag in 

1126
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,440
itself, I don't think. 
But the red flag certainly did 

1127
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,880
start popping up the further 
they looked into Boyer's phone. 

1128
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,480
I think Boy A had been searching
a lot of things on the Internet 

1129
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,040
and then deleted eating said 
search history, which is why it 

1130
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,800
took them a while to find this 
kind of stuff. 

1131
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,440
They found all the all the 
surface level like creepypasta 

1132
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,400
stuff. 
And then they found what I'm 

1133
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,560
about to tell you in the 
archives of his deleted 

1134
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,920
searches. 
Police found that boy A had been

1135
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,880
searching for abandoned 
buildings in their area, one of 

1136
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:03,280
which that came up was Glenwood 
House and he'd clicked on it and

1137
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,760
he'd been reading about it. 
That was the only thing that 

1138
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,840
police found on his phone that 
directly linked to Anna Krishel 

1139
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,480
and her murder obviously being 
the location that her body was 

1140
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,160
found. 
But they found a whole load more

1141
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,040
stuff on his phone, even if it 
didn't directly link to her. 

1142
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,240
And to be honest, it actually 
gets worse from here. 

1143
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:23,720
Much much worse. 10 * 1,000,000 
times worse. 

1144
00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:27,960
This 13 year old boy had been 
searching for all kinds of 

1145
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:32,040
illegal pornography, like 
torture porn, different kind of 

1146
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,520
rape porn, beastiality, horse 
porn. 

1147
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:40,400
Specifically he was even looking
up child porn, which he is 13, 

1148
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,680
so he has a child himself. 
Some of the news sources that I 

1149
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,560
read said that the children were
younger than him, but other 

1150
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,960
sources said that they were 
girls around the same age as 

1151
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,560
him. 
So I don't know. 

1152
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,960
That is what it is. 
I know I've reiterated this 

1153
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,960
probably about a million times 
in this case, and you're 

1154
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,800
probably sick of hearing me say 
it, but let me remind you, this 

1155
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:05,200
boy was 1313 years old looking 
for torch upon and bestiality. 

1156
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,720
I don't even think I knew what 
those things were at 13. 

1157
00:56:07,720 --> 00:56:12,040
So all of that is what was found
in boy is bedroom, his phone, 

1158
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,040
the murder kit, all of that kind
of stuff. 

1159
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:18,360
But with Boy B's house, the 
searchers weren't quite as 

1160
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,800
fruitful. 
There was one thing they found 

1161
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,280
in Boy Bees house that was 
somewhat interesting. 

1162
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,000
It was a list of a load of boys 
names and his name was on it and

1163
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,200
so was Boy Ears. 
And it seemed that this was a 

1164
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:35,280
list for a satanic club. 
And I say that very lightly 

1165
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,080
because remember they were 13 
year old boys and like, I don't 

1166
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:39,640
think it was actually anything 
serious. 

1167
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,720
I think they were just being 
like rebellious little kids that

1168
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:45,080
were like, oh, Satan. 
But on this piece of paper with 

1169
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,440
all the members names, it also 
had a bunch of rules that this 

1170
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,840
satanic club went by. 
And these rules were don't talk 

1171
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,720
about the club act normal like 
nothing happened. 

1172
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,200
That's an exact quote, by the 
way. 

1173
00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:00,680
I don't no talking about Jesus 
or God, only Satan. 

1174
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,360
But yeah, like I said, police 
didn't really think too much 

1175
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:04,640
into this. 
They didn't think it was 

1176
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,960
anything serious or like 
actually satanic. 

1177
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,520
They thought it was just a bunch
of school kids that were just 

1178
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:13,120
like, I don't know, they learnt 
what Satan was and now they want

1179
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,760
to be rebellious. 
So right now, police have a lot 

1180
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,800
of evidence against these two 
boys. 

1181
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,160
Actually, that's a lie. 
They have a lot against Boy A, 

1182
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,800
but actually nothing against Boy
B. 

1183
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,320
They don't have any physical 
evidence to say that Boy B was 

1184
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:28,800
involved in Anna Kregel's 
murder. 

1185
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,760
We'll talk a lot more about that
later on, but I think it's just 

1186
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,800
important to keep in mind 
there's no evidence against Boy 

1187
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,920
B right now. 
The only evidence that they have

1188
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,560
against him actually is his own 
words, the things that he has 

1189
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,080
said in his interviews, but 
there's no physical connections 

1190
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,440
there at all. 
Police felt like they needed 

1191
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,440
that little bit more evidence 
before they could charge these 

1192
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,440
boys and take them to trial. 
But luckily for the police, all 

1193
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,680
the results from the forensic 
test were coming in now. 

1194
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:57,640
The 1st result that they got 
back was of boy is Murder kit. 

1195
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,520
The backpack with the Halloween 
mask, the shin pads, knee pads, 

1196
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,360
river pads, all the pads and 
every single thing in that bag. 

1197
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,160
The inside of the bag, the 
inside of the Halloween mask, 

1198
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:11,200
the gloves, the shin pads, knee 
pads, all of it had Anna 

1199
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:15,120
Kriegel's blood on them and her 
T-shirt that had the semen stain

1200
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:16,600
on it. 
What do you know? 

1201
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:20,120
That semen stain came back as a 
match to Boy Air. 

1202
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,480
And with that, police finally 
had all the evidence they needed

1203
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:27,680
to charge Boy Air and Boy B with
the murder of Anna Kriegel. 

1204
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,800
They were actually the youngest 
people in the history of the 

1205
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,720
Republic of Ireland to ever be 
charged with murder. 

1206
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,720
And because the boys were so 
young, a lot of adaptations were

1207
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,960
made to the trial process, just 
like they were to the arresting 

1208
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,000
process. 
So one of the adaptations that 

1209
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:48,040
was made was that the boys were 
allowed their parents next to 

1210
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:49,520
them. 
They were allowed to sit next to

1211
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,240
their parents and for a lot of 
it, they were actually holding 

1212
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,160
their mother's hands. 
I think that really hammers in 

1213
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,320
how young these boys were, that 
they were sitting at their own 

1214
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,880
murder trial holding mummy's 
hand. 

1215
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,000
And for a lot of the trial, 
whenever people would look over 

1216
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,040
at certain points, they'd be 
like resting their head on their

1217
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,000
mum's shoulder as if they 
weren't at their own murder 

1218
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,600
trial. 
Everyone just said it was so 

1219
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:16,080
bizarre to see children so young
in these circumstances. 

1220
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,480
The judges in the trials weren't
allowed to wear their wigs or 

1221
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,280
their robes. 
You know, the usual judge get up

1222
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:26,000
because they feared that it 
would intimidate the boys, the 

1223
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,560
murderers, the the kids that are
charged with murder. 

1224
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:32,120
The boys would have to be snook 
in through the back entrance or 

1225
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:36,160
the side entrance of every 
courthouse they went into just 

1226
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,880
to avoid like media obviously 
because they were trying to 

1227
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,960
protect these boys identities. 
But actually a lot of the media 

1228
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:46,720
were banned from being there. 
Only the reliable sources were 

1229
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,720
allowed in. 
And I don't know who that is. 

1230
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,480
I don't know. 
I don't know which ones they 

1231
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,200
they allowed and which ones they
were like no, you lied. 

1232
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:58,120
But anyway, the trial began and 
it started with both of the boys

1233
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,080
pleading not guilty to all of 
the charges against them. 

1234
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:04,760
So it was up to the prosecution 
to try and prove that they were 

1235
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,480
guilty. 
And although it looked like a 

1236
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,920
very straightforward case when 
it came to boy A, AKA the boy 

1237
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:15,160
with the murder kit and all of 
the illegal porn search history.

1238
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,520
But when it came to Boy B. 
It wasn't quite so 

1239
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,680
straightforward because remember
I said there was no physical 

1240
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,080
evidence connecting him to the 
crime. 

1241
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,240
There was no blood on his 
clothing. 

1242
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,120
He didn't leave a semen sample 
on a T-shirt. 

1243
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,800
All of that was Boy A. 
So how could they prove that Boy

1244
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:36,080
B was there and more 
importantly, that he was 

1245
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:40,360
involved in Anna's murder? 
The only reason that police knew

1246
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,920
that Boy B was even there on 
that day was because of his own 

1247
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:48,720
admissions, because of what Boy 
B had told them openly in 

1248
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:52,960
interviews, which this comes 
with a little bit of a moral 

1249
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,280
dilemma because of the age of 
this child. 

1250
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,280
He was 13. 
He didn't have a lawyer present.

1251
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,680
He only had his parents who 
obviously were not knowledgeable

1252
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,080
on the law and and what their 
son can and can't say. 

1253
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:08,840
And so a lot of people think 
that Boy B didn't really have a 

1254
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,600
fair chance here. 
I mean, legally everything was 

1255
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:14,640
sound. 
It wasn't like the police did 

1256
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,600
anything wrong. 
They didn't question him 

1257
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,400
illegally without A lawyer 
there. 

1258
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,520
It was completely optional. 
I think. 

1259
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:24,280
So Like, yeah, they were allowed
to use the interviews in the 

1260
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,960
trial, but a lot of people felt 
really weird about it. 

1261
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,680
Like a lot of people felt like 
they shouldn't be able to use 

1262
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,600
those interviews in the trial 
with such a lack of physical 

1263
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,360
evidence. 
People actually felt really 

1264
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,840
weird that Boy B had even been 
charged with murder at all 

1265
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,920
because there was no evidence to
say that he murdered anyone. 

1266
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,040
I mean, obviously there were his
own admissions and the things 

1267
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:47,240
that he'd said in his interview.
So maybe does that not more 

1268
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,920
sound like an accessory to 
murder or something like that? 

1269
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,080
Like, I don't know why he got 
the full murder charge and was 

1270
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,320
put on trial for murder when 
there's actually no physical 

1271
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,560
evidence to tie him that. 
But anyway, back to the actual 

1272
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,160
trial. 
So on one of the first days that

1273
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,760
everyone was in court, there was
quite the bombshell piece of 

1274
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,680
evidence dropped in the mix and 
no one was expecting this. 

1275
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:13,320
Boy A had confessed he'd been 
given a psychiatrist to work 

1276
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,880
with in the run up to the trial 
just so that they could assess 

1277
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:17,440
his mental health and stuff like
that. 

1278
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:21,080
Turned out that he confessed the
whole thing to this psychiatrist

1279
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:25,360
in detail from start to end, the
whole murder. 

1280
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:29,760
Boy A said that he started by 
choking an accretial and then he

1281
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,560
saw that big piece of wood with 
two nails in it and he thought 

1282
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,760
perfect. 
So he grabbed it and started 

1283
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,560
beating her with it. 
He ended up dropping that weapon

1284
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,800
for some reason and instead 
picked up the concrete block, 

1285
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,760
the second weapon, and started 
beating her over the head with 

1286
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:47,920
that. 
That was the weapon that he 

1287
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,960
eventually used to murder Anna 
Kregel. 

1288
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:55,480
Boy A denied all of the sexual 
assault claims against him, all 

1289
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,600
of his sexual assault charges. 
However, remember the autopsy 

1290
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,640
said that penetration was 
attempted. 

1291
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:05,000
So pathologists do believe that 
he was trying to rape Anna 

1292
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,760
Kregel that day, but something 
got in the way. 

1293
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:11,320
And so he decided not to 
actually rape her, but instead 

1294
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:16,400
to masturbate over her body and 
then ejaculate onto her T-shirt.

1295
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,560
And then he just left. 
He left Anna Kregel's dead body 

1296
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:24,640
in this abandoned building for 
days and just went about his 

1297
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,720
life as if nothing had just 
happened. 

1298
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:31,680
So what was Boy A gonna do now? 
Because they had so much 

1299
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,640
physical evidence against him, 
the semen sample, the blood, all

1300
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:35,840
that. 
So do you want to know what his 

1301
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:37,320
team did? 
Do you want to know what his 

1302
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,000
team did? 
They actually tried to argue 

1303
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:44,400
that the semen on Anna's T-shirt
was from consensual intimacy. 

1304
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,520
So they're trying to say that 
the two of them had, you know, 

1305
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,920
perfectly fine consensual sex, 
everything was good, everything 

1306
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,720
was happy and rosy. 
And then Boy A, just out of 

1307
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:55,080
nowhere, just turn around and 
murdered her. 

1308
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,680
But I mean, look at how her body
was found. 

1309
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:01,240
Anna was literally trying to 
free herself from the duct tape 

1310
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,080
around her neck. 
It certainly doesn't look 

1311
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,240
consensual. 
Also, I just thought I'd take 

1312
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:09,880
this opportunity to remind you 
that Boy A told the police right

1313
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:11,960
at the start of this 
investigation that he wasn't 

1314
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:15,080
attracted to or interested in 
Anna Krishel. 

1315
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,560
His original cover story was 
that he was meeting her in the 

1316
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,360
park that day to let her down 
gently because he wasn't 

1317
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,760
interested. 
So how could this meeting have 

1318
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:26,520
gone from leave me alone, I'm 
not interested in you to hang on

1319
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:29,280
a minute, let's go have 
consensual sex in that abandoned

1320
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,360
building. 
Personally, I'm not buying that.

1321
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,720
So eventually after a 7 week 
trial, the jury went to 

1322
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:37,280
deliberate. 
But before they did, Boy B's 

1323
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:40,320
lawyer actually stopped them. 
And he was like, wait, let me, 

1324
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:41,840
let me, let me just do a little 
speech. 

1325
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:46,040
He urged the jury to be open 
minded when it came to Boy B's 

1326
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,480
verdict. 
The lawyer reminded them that 

1327
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,560
the manslaughter verdict was 
still on the table. 

1328
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,960
Yes, Boy B was charged with 
murder, but they didn't have to 

1329
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,360
find him guilty or not guilty. 
They could go for the 

1330
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:59,360
alternative, which was 
manslaughter. 

1331
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,480
If they believed the lack of 
physical evidence to be enough 

1332
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,720
of an issue, then it would only 
make sense to go for the 

1333
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,240
manslaughter plea. 
And before he let the jury go, 

1334
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:11,320
the lawyer said one last thing 
and that was that witnessing a 

1335
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:14,600
murder is not equal to 
committing a murder. 

1336
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,280
And then the jury went off and 
deliberated. 

1337
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,240
But it seemed that the jury felt
that both boys were just as bad 

1338
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:23,400
as each other because when they 
returned, they found both Boy A 

1339
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:27,200
and Boy B guilty of the murder 
of Anna Krejel. 

1340
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:31,320
Boy A was also found guilty of 
aggravated sexual assault and 

1341
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,840
for that he was actually put on 
the sex offenders register. 

1342
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,800
And when this verdict was read 
out in the court that both boys 

1343
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:41,400
were guilty, Boy A started 
crying and Boy B just put his 

1344
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,240
head in his hands. 
Boy B's father, on the other 

1345
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:48,600
hand, was not taking making it 
quite so quietly, shall we say. 

1346
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:52,440
He jumped up out of his seat in 
that courtroom and started 

1347
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:56,480
screaming at everyone saying you
bunch of scumbags, you bunch of 

1348
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:58,920
pricks. 
As his son was led out of the 

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01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:03,000
courtroom, now a convicted 
murderer, Boy B's father stood 

1350
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:05,640
there and did a slow, sarcastic 
clap. 

1351
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:09,440
He sarcastically commended the 
judge and the jury for their 

1352
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,920
excellent work on sentencing an 
innocent boy. 

1353
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,200
Well, that was what his father 
said. 

1354
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,200
He said he was an innocent boy. 
So the jury explained to the 

1355
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,800
court their reasoning for 
finding Boy B guilty of murder 

1356
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,920
rather than going for the 
alternative manslaughter plea. 

1357
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:29,240
And they said that he was the 
key factor in the successful 

1358
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:33,160
completion of this murder. 
Without Boy B's part in all of 

1359
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:36,640
this, without him going to 
Anna's house, literally calling 

1360
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:40,160
for her, and then taking her to 
this abandoned building to Boy 

1361
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,360
A, she wouldn't have been 
murdered. 

1362
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:45,920
And so the jury felt that that 
was a good enough reason to also

1363
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,880
charge him with the murder 
because if he wasn't there, it 

1364
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,840
wouldn't have happened. 
Boy A was sentenced to life in 

1365
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,640
prison with a review after 12 
years, which will happen when he

1366
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:58,400
is 26. 
I think Boy B was sentenced to 

1367
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,960
15 years in prison with a 
minimum of eight. 

1368
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,920
So the earliest that he can get 
out is when he's 23. 

1369
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,960
Right now, I think both of the 
boys are 17, which means 

1370
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:11,760
actually that they're almost 18,
which means they'll be leaving 

1371
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,440
the youth detention centers soon
enough and going to the big 

1372
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:18,960
scary world of adult prisons. 
Even though both boys identities

1373
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,920
have always been kept anonymous 
and they always will be, 

1374
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,440
actually their identities are 
protected forever. 

1375
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:28,480
But Despite that, we know very 
basic things about their 

1376
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:32,520
childhood and neither of them 
actually had any red flags in 

1377
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,520
their childhood. 
There was number abuse, no 

1378
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:38,400
mental illness, no bullying, no 
trauma that we know of. 

1379
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,520
I mean, they were very normal 
boys from Nice, loving, middle 

1380
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:45,280
class families. 
They had a great childhood. 

1381
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,800
There was absolutely nothing 
that could have indicated that 

1382
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:50,240
they were going to turn out like
this. 

1383
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,960
But yeah, like I said, their 
identities are going to be 

1384
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,600
protected for the rest of their 
lives, just like Thompson and 

1385
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,520
Venables. 
If you've heard of the James 

1386
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,520
Bulger case, I actually did a 
video on it if you're 

1387
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:01,200
interested. 
It's quite an old video, so it's

1388
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:04,800
maybe not that good now, but 
James Bulger was a toddler who 

1389
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,680
was murdered by two young boys. 
They were very young at the 

1390
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,280
time. 
And it's a very similar case to 

1391
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,000
this actually. 
Now those killers, Thompson and 

1392
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,479
Venables, are older, they're out
of prison with their new 

1393
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,640
protected identities, and 
they're both just living a 

1394
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:24,120
normal life walking amongst us, 
these two child murderers. 

1395
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,760
That's actually probably a lie 
though, because Venables is a 

1396
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,080
repeat offender. 
He's always in prison for like 

1397
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,359
child porn and stuff these days.
So who knows? 

1398
01:08:32,359 --> 01:08:34,120
He's probably actually not 
amongst us. 

1399
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,840
But Thompson, I've actually read
somewhere, I can't remember 

1400
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:39,399
where I read this so maybe don't
quote me on it, but I've read 

1401
01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:43,000
that he's married with kids and 
his wife actually knows who he 

1402
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:46,000
is, which is scary. 
And it's scary to think that 

1403
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:50,279
these two boys might be walking 
amongst us in like 10 years 

1404
01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:52,080
time. 
Less than following the boys 

1405
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:55,439
sentencing, Geraldine and 
Patrick Kriegel released a 

1406
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:58,279
victim statement. 
They said life without Anna is 

1407
01:08:58,279 --> 01:09:01,399
no longer a life, nor is it even
an existence. 

1408
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:04,439
It is a misery that we must 
endure for the rest of our 

1409
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,680
lives. 
They also read out a paragraph 

1410
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:10,040
that Anna had written when she 
was about 11 or 12, just before 

1411
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:13,200
she went up to secondary school,
and it was talking about all her

1412
01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:15,479
hopes and dreams for the future,
It read. 

1413
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,800
My hope is to go to Parish 
University, just like my dad. 

1414
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:22,200
I would like to get married too.
Not sure if I want any babies, 

1415
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,520
Well, not yet anyway. 
I hope that I have a good life. 

1416
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,240
I hope that everyone I meet will
be nice. 

1417
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:31,319
And that last sentence is the 
most heartbreaking thing I've 

1418
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,640
ever read in my research of a 
case ever. 

1419
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:38,800
That girl was so innocent and so
full of love. 

1420
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,960
All she ever wanted to do was be
someone's friend. 

1421
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,479
She just seemed like such an 
incredible little girl. 

1422
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:47,600
And it's such a such a 
heartbreaking case is this one. 

1423
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,040
And that is all for this 
episode. 

1424
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:52,640
Thank you so much for tuning in 
to Outlaw Podcast. 

1425
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:56,560
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1426
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:58,040
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