The youngest killers in Irish history were actually so young
that they went to their own murder trial holding their
mummy's hand. But when you hear the crimes
that they were convicted of, you'll understand why their
identities have to be protected for the rest of their lives.
Outlaw. Hello and welcome to Outlaw
podcast. I'm Eleanor Neil and today we're
serving you up a true crime case from the vault.
This episode was originally posted to my YouTube channel
years ago before we existed as Outlaw podcast, but I think it's
time we add it to the Outlaw catalog.
So now I will hand back to me from the past to take it away
with today's vault case and quickly before we jump into the
case, I do just want to give my usual disclaimer that I mean
absolutely no disrespect to anyone that I talk about in this
video. This video is for educational
purposes and everything that I'm about to say is just information
that I have found on the Internet and I'm piling into one
video. There's a few content warnings
as always with these videos. So if any of the following
themes that I'm about to say are things that you don't think you
can watch right now, I completely understand.
They are very heavy topics and you need to look after yourself.
So click out of this video if you can't watch.
I'll probably find you again at some other point, I'm sure.
I mean, please do come back. I want to see you again.
But the themes for this video are as follows.
Sexual assault, manipulation, bullying, and poor mental health
like declining mental health or mental illness.
So if any of that is something that you don't think you can
watch, like I said, click out. No hard feelings.
But with all of that being said, let's just jump into the case.
Anastasia Creasial was a 14 year old girl originally born in
Russia on February 18th, 2004. Not long after Anna was born, I
think she was around one or two years old, her mother actually
put her up for adoption and that was when she was found by her
adoptive parents, Geraldine and Patrick Creasial.
Geraldine was an English woman and Patrick was a French man,
and the two of them were so desperate for a child, but they
couldn't have one themselves, and so they really wanted to
adopt. And as soon as they found Anna,
they were over the moon. After adopting Anna, the family
moved to Ireland, specifically County Kildare, where she was
now raised for the rest of her life.
And while her adoptive parents, Geraldine and Patrick, didn't
have any links to Russia themselves, they wanted to make
sure that Anna always felt in touch with her roots all her
life, like as she was growing up.
They tried really hard to keep her Russian culture and her
heritage very much a part of her identity.
Like they kept her name Anastasia.
I think Anastasia is actually a Greek name, but it's very
popular in Russia as well. And so they kept that name.
They didn't rename her. They wanted Anna to be very
proud of her roots and where she came from when she was older.
They were never going to hide the fact that she was adopted.
They were never going to hide the fact that, you know, she was
from Russia and she had Russian parents.
They wanted her to know all that about herself and be proud of
it. But anyway, Anna herself was a
very happy go lucky kid. She loved to perform, sing,
dance, act. She loved to like put on little
shows for her family and stuff. I have a quote here from her
mother who said she spent hours in our front room listening to
music and practicing her moves. Anna even started a YouTube
channel as a child where she would upload just loads of
random videos of her just being a kid.
She would dance in the videos, some videos she'd do makeup,
someone more just like vlogs about her day.
She would just, she liked YouTube and she wanted to
YouTube videos. She didn't really care what they
were on. I think she just loved to
entertain. I think that was kind of the
overarching thing of all of this.
She loved to perform, she loved to entertain.
She loved to make people laugh and smile.
But as she grew a bit older, Anastasia seemed to become a lot
less happy, go lucky and a lot more just problem after problem.
This girl had such a hard time in her life.
She suffered with quite a few physical illnesses over the
years. I don't really know all of them
to be able to name to you, but I do know a few of the different
things that she suffered with. At one point she developed a
tumor behind her right ear that actually blocked a lot of her
hearing. She was almost fully deaf in
that ear. She had to have like a six hour
surgery to remove this tumor and she was left with a massive
scar. Oh, wait, no, the scar was
actually from eye surgery because she had really bad
eyesight. Some of the sources I read
actually linked the tumor behind her ear and her bad eyesight,
saying that the tumor might have caused it.
But yeah, after that, she actually had to have surgery on
her eyes to correct her eyesight.
And that was what the scar was from.
She had quite a big one, I think, on the back of her head.
So she was struggling with a few different physical issues, but
overall, she was a happy child nevertheless.
But when she was about 11 years old, Anna was due to finish
primary school and head on to secondary school, which is big
school. It's where all the big kids are.
And her teacher teachers were a little bit concerned about how
she was going to go in big school.
In fact, they were so concerned that one of them made a call to
Anna's mother to say that they were worried that Anna might
actually be a target for bullies in secondary school.
She was already picked on a little bit in primary school,
although I wouldn't say it was like bullying to be fair.
I don't know, I wasn't there. But like the sources say that it
was just more like teasing in primary school because Anna was
always tall for her age and tall for a girl in general.
When she was 14 years old, she was 5 foot 8.
And to put that into perspective, I'm 22 and I'm 5
foot four. My sister's 30 and she's like 5
foot. So I mean she was a very tall
girl was Anna. I say she was 5 foot 8 by the
time she was 14. I don't actually know how tall
she was at 11 when she was getting picked on for her
height. Probably taller than the other
girls. Anyway, Anna really didn't like
her height because it made her different.
It made her stand out from everyone else and she really
didn't like standing out. She didn't have a lot of
self-confidence, probably from the the teasing and being picked
on and stuff. She had a very hard time
socializing. She was quite socially awkward
and so she didn't make friends very well.
She, I don't know, she really struggled in school to be
honest. She just looked vulnerable, like
she looked like she lacked confidence.
And you know what kids are like in school as well.
They can like smell the fear and the anxiety and other kids and
then they pick on them ones. But there was also the fact that
Anna was so desperate for friendship because like I said,
she struggled socially and with making friends.
And she wanted friends so bad, she really did.
But she didn't know how to do it.
And her teachers worried that this desperation for like a best
friend or a friend group could lead her to being taken
advantage of maybe by other kids in big school.
And when Anna eventually went up to secondary school, her
teachers concerns became a reality.
Anna really struggled to make friends.
She really didn't have that many.
She was left out of a lot of things by the other kids.
But the saddest part is was that Anna was a genuinely really,
really nice girl. She was harmless.
She was so kind, she was generous.
She wanted the best for everyone, but she just lacked
social skills. So she was a wonderful person,
but no one was ever going to find that out because she
couldn't talk to people long enough for them to get to know
her. But in this secondary school,
Anna was bullied relentlessly. In primary school, like I said,
it was just more teasing and picking on her every now and
again. All the kids kind of did it to
each other in primary school, but now in secondary school,
Anna was a target. They would pick on her for a lot
of different things. Her height was a big thing.
Her social skills were another. But also the fact that she was
adopted because she knew she was adopted.
Everyone knew she was adopted and they always used to tell her
that she had fake parents, which is just awful.
But a lot of the bullying that was directed towards Anna was
actually online through like social media cyber bullying.
She also experienced a lot of hate comments on YouTube and I
don't think they were from the kids in school.
They might have been, who knows. You can make like an anonymous
YouTube account but she used to get a lot of negative comments
on her YouTube videos. She was just a kid having fun
and there'd be like angry adults in the comment section like this
is so stupid mirror. But the comments would just get
worse and worse and worse overtime until they were
eventually like death threats in her YouTube comments, people
saying that she should be executed, stuff like that.
It was awful. This is a 1314 year old girl.
Maybe she wasn't even that old at this point.
She was like 12, getting death threats online.
A lot of the comments would actually be sexual in nature as
well, which is just disgusting. This girl is 13 and there's like
men online and there's men online.
That's not what I meant. There's men online commenting on
her. And then in 2017, when Anna was
13 years old at this point, she was volunteering at a Halloween
event. It was like a kids Halloween
party at the local community centre.
She was just helping out to be a good sport.
This was supposed to be a really good night.
Anna was really, really excited about volunteering.
She loved doing things like this.
She loved helping people out. But this night actually turned
out to be one of the most traumatizing nights of her
entire life. Anna was working when she was
approached by 4 much older boys. They were like older teenagers
and like I said, she was 13 at this point in time.
So immediately she was intimidated right from the girl.
And these boys could tell that she was scared as well.
And I think they enjoyed it. I think they were feeding off
it. They were like laughing and
joking with each other. One of them even turned to Anna
and said, you're going to have sex with me, Anna, and grabbed
her bum. This is a 13 year old girl,
right? And this has just happened.
This is a much older teenage boy and she is terrified in this
moment. She's just been sexually
assaulted by this man. Actually, I said, man, I don't
know how old they are. They probably were boys, but
still, Anna was just absolutely traumatized.
She ran home from that Halloween party crying and she went to her
mother, and her mother said that she just couldn't console her
daughter at all. She just had to hold her while
she sobbed, which is just heartbreaking.
As soon as I read that, as soon as I read her mother's quote
about how all she could do was just hold her daughter as she
sobbed, like my heart just breaks for her.
She was 13. To have your innocence broken in
such a way at 13 when you're so naive and so vulnerable and so
shy, like, I just want to give her a big hug.
Her parents helped her report this incident to the police.
And the police ended up finding out who the boy was.
They went to his house and they gave him a caution, but that's
as far as that went. And this incident was a pretty
big blow to Anna's already very fragile mental health.
That's one thing I haven't mentioned yet is that Anna was
really struggling mentally in her teenage years.
She was very depressed a lot of the time and on occasion she
even found herself self harming to to deal with these feelings.
And as soon as her parents found out about this, they tried to
help her in every way that they could.
They got her into the mental health services, got her a
therapist. They want a her to be happy.
It took Anna a little while to come round to these counseling
sessions. I mean, she was such a shy girl
that going in and speaking to a stranger wasn't going to be easy
for her. But eventually she did it.
She was a very brave girl. And this mental health support
worker noted on Anna's file that they were really concerned about
her inability to make friends. They could see how much that was
having an effect on Anna. Her happiness her whole life was
affected by her lack of friends. In fact, Anna Krejal's only
friends were her cousins. She didn't have any friends in
school, or well, I mean, she had certain people that she would
talk to, but no one that she could actually call a friend.
Her father said that when he would go and pick Anna up from
school, he would see all these other groups of girls walking
out of school, talking, joking, laughing together.
And then there would be Anna walking alone with her earphones
and just looking down at the ground.
She wasn't talking to anyone. Her father said that he thought
the other kids just didn't understand stand Anna.
They thought that she was a weirdo.
That's a genuine quote. They they called her that and
that's not me calling her that. But she wasn't she had a heart
of gold. She was just such a nice, lovely
person. She loved to perform, she loved
to entertain. She was cool.
She was a cool girl. But none of them could see that
because they never even gave her a chance.
She was misunderstood. She wasn't weird.
She just struggled to socialize and none of the kids gave her a
chance really. On May 14th, 2018, Anna Creation
had school as normal. However, in the afternoon she
actually had a counseling session, one of these therapy
sessions that her mom set her up.
And so she was gonna have to leave school early.
She was gonna go to school for her first few lessons, then
leave, go to the counseling session.
So for that reason, she needed a note from her mother to be able
to like show it to the teacher and be like, let me leave.
So her mum wrote her a note. She gave her a kiss goodbye and
then her mum went off to work. Anna got herself ready for
school, walked to school as normal and did her lessons.
She went to that counseling session, everything was good,
everything was normal. She came back home, she made
herself a little bit of food and as her food was cooking, she
just gave her mum a ring. Her mum actually didn't answer
at the time because she was in a meeting.
She just texted Anna just saying like in a meeting, give you a
call back later. So anyway, Anna had made her
food and she just took it up to a room to eat it.
And that's just kind of what she did every night.
She just kind of took herself up off to a room and did her own
thing, you know. But just before 5:00 PM that
evening, there was a knock at Anna's door.
And her father went and opened it.
And there there was a young boy around Anna's age, and he was
asking for Anna. Her father asked this boy's
name, and he gave him it. And so he called up to Anna.
And he was like, Anna so and so's here.
And she was like, what? She came down to the door and
she was very surprised to see this boy here because she didn't
really know him. I think she knew of him.
They were acquaintances, but he had absolutely no reason to be
knocking on her door. They were not this close at all.
So she was really confused and kind of weirded out.
But she went over to the boy anyway and she spoke to him,
asked him what he was there for. Her father remembered the two of
them kind of whispering a little bit back and forth, and he kind
of took the hint that he wasn't wanted there and that the kids
didn't want him to hear what they were saying.
So he just left the room, left them to chat for a little while.
After a few minutes, Anna walked into the room where her father
was. And she was like, oh, I'm just
gonna go out for a few minutes. I'm just gonna run up and grab a
jumper, and then I'm leaving. So she did.
She went and grabbed this black hoodie.
It was like her favorite hoodie. It had all these, like, white
prints on it. I'm sure there's a picture of it
somewhere. She grabbed it, put it on and
then went out of the door with this boy.
And then a few seconds later, her father realized, oh crap, I
didn't actually ask her where she was going.
So he ran back to the front door, swung it open, but by the
time he got there, Anna was already too far down the road
for him to be able to shout to her and ask.
So for that reason, he didn't bother shouting over to her.
He was like, oh, she'll probably be back in a bit anyway.
But when he did look out of the door, he saw Anna and this boy
walking in the direction of a park named Saint Catherine's
Park. However, they weren't actually
like walking together. Weirdly enough, they were
walking. It seemed the boy was quite far
in front of Anna and they weren't talking, so kind of
weird. But about 1520 minutes after
Anna left the house, her mother Geraldine finished work and so
she grabbed her phone and returned the call from Anna from
earlier. But when she did it went
straight to Anna's voicemail, which wasn't like her.
She was normally very good at keeping her phone charged and
answering the thing, but she wasn't too concerned to be
honest because she was literally on the train home.
She knew that she was about to see Anna in like 10 minutes, so
she didn't bother call in again or anything.
When Geraldine did arrive home, she walked into the house and
saw her husband Patrick, and she was like oh, where's Anna?
And he was like, oh, she went out with some boy.
Some boy came and called for her and they went out to the park.
And as soon as Geraldine heard this, it immediately worried
her. Now for a lot of parents, it
wouldn't worry them to hear that their kid has gone out to the
park with a friend, very normal kind of stuff.
But not for Anna. Remember, she didn't have
friends. She didn't go to the park with
friends. It's very sad.
But she didn't. And so to her mother, this was
actually a red flag. She was actually concerned about
who this friend was and why they were going to the park because
no one ever called for Anna. They were very worried about
what this boy's motives were with their daughter.
Geraldine was just very, very concerned and she wondered what
was best for her daughter. And so at 5:30 PM, she text Anna
saying home now. She waited a few minutes, but
she got no response and so she decided to text again.
This time she said answer me now or I'm calling the police.
But again there was no response. Patrick mentioned to Geraldine
that he'd seen the kids walking in the direction of Saint
Catherine's Park, and so Geraldine wasted absolutely no
time. She put on a coat and she went
out to that park. She was running around it
looking for her daughter, but Anna just wasn't there.
So instead, she decided to go back to the house, jump in her
car, and then just drive around the streets of that town looking
for her anywhere. But again, there was no look.
No one could find Anna. She still wasn't returning
anyone's texts or calls. And at this point, her parents
were desperate. All they had to go off here
really was that she was walking in the direction of Saint
Catherine's Park. But they checked there and she
wasn't there. So the only other thing that
they really have to go off is that she was with this boy.
But they don't even know the boy.
Luckily he did tell Anna's father his first name when he
knocked on the door. He was like oh I'm so and so can
Anna come out. So they knew his first name.
All they needed to do now was find out his last name and then
they'd be able to find out more information on this boy.
So the two of them went to Facebook and they started typing
in this boy's name. Eventually they found him.
So now they had this boy's full name but they couldn't find his
parents linked to his Facebook or anything.
They couldn't find any information about him.
So they start calling up all of their their parent friends.
So like other adults that had kids that went to Anna's school,
they were ringing around everyone they knew and they were
like, do you know this guy? Do you know his parents?
And everyone was like, no, I've never heard of that kid, sorry.
As time was going by, it was getting later and later and
obviously darker as well. And so they were all the more
concerned about Anna, who was now out there in the dark
somewhere. She really wasn't the type to be
out after dark. She was a very sensible girl.
She would always update her parents, always text them back,
call them, let them know where she was.
And she hadn't done any of those things today.
And by now it was 9:00 PM. She'd almost been out with this
boy for four hours and not once texted her parents.
Her parents knew that something was seriously wrong.
This was not like their daughter.
Their daughter would not be acting like this unless she was
actually in trouble. So with that, Geraldine and
Patrick walked down to the police station and reported
their daughter as missing. And because of her previous
mental health struggles, suicidal thoughts, herself
harming and stuff, her disappearance was taken very
seriously. Although it didn't seem like it
was relevant to the case really, it didn't seem like Anna had
gone out to take her own life that day, very much seemed like
she'd just gone out to the park with a friend.
But still, it was always a possibility and it was always a
concern. And so everyone got on Anna
Creagles disappearance case ASAP.
The police knew that their biggest lead to be able to find
Anna Creagial was that boy that she'd left the house with.
And luckily for them, her parents had done some digging
and found his full name. So they had this boy's name.
They managed to look him up on the database and they found his
address. And so police went down to his
house for legal reasons. In this case, this boy is known
as Boy B. And so for the rest of this
video, we're going to be calling him Boy B or B.
He was also thirteen years old at the time of this case, which
is actually a year younger than Anna.
But anyway, police arrived at his house and they explained to
his parents why they were there, that a 14 year old girl had gone
missing and their son was the last person to have seen her.
So he was a very big part of this investigation now.
So police sat him down in his own living room and they asked
him a bunch of questions about Anna, about what you'd been
doing earlier that day. And he just said he didn't know
anything. He literally said he had no idea
where she was. He said that he'd gone to the
park with Anna that evening for less than an hour.
They weren't even there for a full hour.
And he decided to leave at about 5:40 PM.
That he had homework to do at home.
So he ran home and did his homework and he actually left
Anna in the park. He said that she didn't set off
home. He like she was still sat on the
park bench as he left. So after that, he said he had
absolutely no idea what Anna did or where she went if she met up
with anyone else. And that was all Boy B could
really tell the police about that night.
And with that, they really didn't have much to go off in
this investigation. They had no idea how or where
they were going to find Anna Krishel next morning, so it had
almost been 24 hours since Anna had last been seen, but she
still hadn't contacted anyone. She hadn't turned up home, she
hadn't returned any texts or calls or anything.
So police put together a search team who all went out manually
looking for Anna, alongside a lot of her friends and family as
well. They were all jumping in their
cars and going to all the places that Anna frequently went to see
if she was at any of them. They had a bunch of her family
members back at home, calling everyone she knew, friends,
family, literally anyone. People from from school,
teachers, anyone but none of them knew anything.
None of them had seen her. She hadn't been in contact with
anyone. She hadn't gone to anyone's
house. It was literally like she
disappeared off the face of the earth.
So on this second day of the investigation, the detectives
decided it would be useful to go back and interview Boy B once
again, because the first time they felt they didn't quite get
everything from him. He was very nervous, which I
suppose most kids would be. If police are knocking on your
door and questioning you in your living room, I think suspicious
or not, I think most kids would be nervous, so it might take a
couple of questionings to get them to open up and talk a lot
more freely about it. So the police went down a second
time and you know what? It worked because he told him a
lot more than he did the first time.
This time he actually told them the reason why he was even going
to meet Anna in the 1st place that night.
The reason he went and called for her and took her to the
park. He said that the reason he did
it was on behalf of his friend, who is known in this case as Boy
A Boy B said that Anna Krejl had a huge crush on Boy A, but A
didn't quite feel the same way. In fact, he was quite weirded
out by the crush. It made him feel a bit
uncomfortable. So on this particular day, Boy B
went over to Anna Krejl's home to get her and bring her to the
park to meet with Boy A so that he could let her down gently.
He said Boy B told the police that as soon as he brought Anna
to where Boy A was waiting for her in the park, he decided to
just leave the two of them to get on with it.
Like B just went, did his homework and left Anna and boy
ear to talk through with this. So again, his story is kind of
the same thing in that he left pretty much straightaway and
didn't see anything. He didn't see how Anna left the
park that night. He didn't know what happened to
her after that. So police decided to use kind of
a different tactic here to get a little bit more information out
of Boy B. They decided to take him down to
the park and make him walk the route that he'd walked with
Anna. So they started this route and
he walks them into the park. He walks them over to to this
bench where he was sat with her and I think some like tracks,
like bike tracks or something where they stood for a little
while and then he was out and then and then I left.
So it wasn't very helpful. Unfortunately, there were no
security cameras in these particular areas of the park
where they'd, like stopped and talked and sat on a bench and
stuff like that. So there was no way of
confirming what he was saying. So like I said, kind of useless.
So yeah, the walk in the park was kind of uneventful.
But police did now know that they had another boy involved.
There was another suspect. Well, I say suspect at this
point, they were just people of interest.
They genuinely seemed just like Anna's friends who were the last
to see her on the day that she went missing.
They weren't necessarily suspicious of these boys, but
yeah, they had this second boy now.
They managed to find out his name, his address, and they went
down and spoke to him too. But again, he said the same
thing, that he didn't know what happened to Anna.
He kind of said the same story as Boy B.
He said that he was going to meet up with Anna to let her
down gently. Boy B brought her over and he
sat and spoke with Anna. He said for no more than 5
minutes. He basically said his piece that
he wasn't interested and that he wasn't looking for A
relationship with her. And he just said that Anna
looked very annoyed and she barely said anything.
She was giving him like, one word answers.
She wasn't talking to him. And then she just got up and
stormed off. Yeah, he said that she took the
news pretty hard and she didn't want to talk to him after that.
And he didn't actually see which direction she left the park,
which was frustrating because they didn't know if she'd tried
to go straight home or if she'd gone on a walk after that or
something. They didn't know where she'd
gone once she left the park. So once again, no new leads and
police were looking at this case thinking, well, we need we need
to do something. And so they decided to take both
boys now back to the park a second time so that they can get
both of them to do the route. But on this second walk, they
noticed that boy B, who had already done this walk once, by
the way, he started taking a different route.
What? How have you changed your answer
since yesterday? And there was also one section
of this walk where one of the police officers looked at the
two boys and saw them both exchanging a look with each
other. Don't really know how to
describe this look because, well, I wasn't there clearly.
Basically, they were just trying to communicate with each other
through their eyes through this look.
And immediately, as soon as the police officers saw this, they
were suspicious. And that was all the police
needed to see because now they were viewing these boys as
potential suspects. They were no longer people of
interest. They were now looking very
suspicious and so they decided to take them back to the police
station for questioning. But in the meantime, a missing
person's public appeal was set up for Anna Creation.
They were making these posters, putting her all over the news
and the leads started to pour in.
This was actually quite a high profile case in the area at the
time. People were calling in with
potential sightings of her, saying that they'd seen her at a
sewage plant or saying that they'd seen her in the airport.
Police followed up on every single one of these potential
sightings, but all of them were explained away.
None of them were Anna Creation. But anyway, now the boys were
back at the police station and they were now being questioned
in a formal setting as suspects. Just want to remind you, these
are 213 year old boys, 1313 children, and it was in these
interviews where things just started to get more and more
suspicious by the 2nd. So one of the first questions
that both the boys were asked in their separate questionings was
how would you describe your relationship with the other boy?
Boy B said that he only really knew Boy A through school and
that they were just acquaintances.
They were just kind of in each other's class, whereas Boy A
told the police that Boy B was his best friend.
So one of you is lying. And it was there at the police
station as well, where one particular officer noticed
something about Boy Air. He was limping, and he kept
holding his arm as if he was, like, in pain.
So the detectives asked him if he was OK, like, why?
Why are you limping? Why is your arm in pain?
And he said, no, no, no, I'm fine.
I was just jumped the other night by some older boys.
In fact he claimed that he was jumped on the night of Anna's
disappearance in that park, Saint Catherine's Park.
And as soon as the police heard this, they were very intrigued
for a number of reasons. First of all, if there were two
lads in Saint Catherine's Park that were clearly very violent
to be jumping a 13 year old boy, could they also have had
something to do with Anna's disappearance?
So police were interested to find these two lads that had
jumped by A so they got to work on that separately to try and
identify these people. But also, they were intrigued
for another reason, because what if he was lying?
What if Boyer was lying? What if he got these injuries
another way that he obviously didn't want police to know
about? And so he made-up this, this
story about being jumped. I don't know.
There was a lot to unpack here. And so police got to work.
So they questioned him kind of separately about this incident,
about him being jumped. And he said that he didn't know
the boys that did it. He had no idea who they were.
He didn't know their names. But he did manage to overpower
them at one point. And he was really proud of this,
actually. He managed to overpower these
older lads. By the way, sorry to keep saying
this throughout the video. He was 13, Boy A is 13.
And he says he's overpowered these nearly grown men and got
them to the ground and started kicking him in the head.
Kicking him in the head. So police are listening to this
story, and they're just kind of like, really?
Are you sure? They just didn't really believe
it. I mean, at first they did.
When he was like, I've been jumped by two people in a park,
they were like, oh, God, like, let's sort this.
But then as soon as he was like, yeah.
And then I kicked him in the head and I got him on the
ground. Police were like, regardless,
the police did bring in an artist to create like an E fit
sketch with boy Air of his attackers.
This sketch was released to the public.
It was also compared against the CCTV that they had of the park.
Well, what little CCTV they actually had.
I think they had CCTV from maybe one or two entrances, but it
didn't have like cameras throughout the park.
But no one on the CCTV footage that they saw entering or
leaving the park matched the descriptions.
No one, literally no one recognized these E fit sketch,
which was a bit bit weird. So clearly this wasn't going to
help them solve this case. And so instead they actually
decided to seize boy ears shoes that he was wearing on the night
that he was jumped because, you know, if he kicked him in the
head like he said, then there's probably some evidence on those
shoes. If the men that jumped him had
committed violent crimes before, like jumping people, I suppose
then their DNA would be on the database.
And then if they took boy ears shoe that probably had their DNA
on it from when he kicked them and they, you know, took that
sample and put it in the database, they'd get a match to
whoever it was. So they did that, they took the
shoes, they tested them and they actually didn't find anyone.
Police also decided to seize Boy A's clothes and boy B's clothes
actually, even though both of their mums had already washed
the clothes that they'd worn on that day.
All of these things, the shoes, the clothes, everything was all
sent off to the lab for testing. And it was going to take a few
days to get some results back on that.
And so in the meantime, the searches for Anna Kregel
continued. By now it was day three of
Anna's disappearance, and still with no contact from her, she
hadn't returned anyone's texts or calls.
People were now starting to worry that maybe they weren't
going to find her a lie. Maybe now they should be looking
for a body rather than for living, breathing Anna Kregel.
And so they started to look in fields and bodies of water in
wooded areas. But then on March 17th, 2018,
police came across an abandoned farmhouse in one of the fields
that they were searching. It was called Glenwood House.
It was an old 17th century farmhouse that had been long
since abandoned. I mean, the roof was caving in,
the windows were boarded up. It was all fire damaged.
No one had lived there for hundreds of years.
But that didn't mean that it wasn't still in use because it
very much was an unofficial use. Actually, it was still
technically abandoned, but the local teenagers used it as like
a bit of a party party place. Just realized how uncool that
makes me sound. But yeah, it was kind of like
the place around town for like underage drinking, drugs, sex,
away from the watchful eye of your parents.
You know, there was a lot of shit that went down in this
house. The once beautifully decorated
farmhouse was now just covered in graffiti, empty glass drinks
bottles all on the ground, condom wrappers on the ground.
It was just minging. It was a horrible, horrible
building to be in. To be honest.
Police were actually quite familiar with Glenwood House,
obviously, because it was like a teenage party hotspot.
Then police were getting called out there quite often.
They knew what went down in this house and they knew it wasn't
good. And when they went in to search
this house on March 17th, it looked the same inside as it
always had been. There were still all bottles
everywhere, condom wrappers. Although it was kind of hard to
see anything in Glenwood House to be honest, because like I
said, all the windows were boarded up, so there was no
light coming in at all. So it was really, really dark in
there, even in the middle of the day, which was going to make the
search quite hard. So they started making their way
from room to room inside this farmhouse, and they can't find
anything. They're looking for literally
anything, even a sign that Anna had even been there.
But there's nothing in none of these rooms.
And then the officers made their way up to one of the upstairs
rooms, which is known in this case as room 1.
As they entered room one, it was just as dark as the rest of the
Manor, to be honest. But there was something
different about this room. There was a strong smell of
blood in the air. One officer walked forward into
that room and he had a quick look around, although it was
very dark, and he noticed something laying on the ground,
kind of more towards the window. So he walked towards it and as
he did he started to make out what this thing on the floor was
and he said that it was either a mannequin or something terrible.
He called the rest of the team up to the room with him, where
they all came in and shone their torches.
And that was when they discovered the body of 14 year
old Anna. She was found almost completely
naked. She was only wearing her socks,
and she was absolutely covered in dried blood.
The officers could tell just by looking at her that Anna Krejel
had been subjected to a horrific, brutal attack.
At first, police actually thought there was like a piece
of material draped over Anna's face, but on a closer look, they
realized that it was actually just her hair that was all
matted with dried blood in it. She had blue tape around her
neck when her body was found. And actually, three of her
fingers were found like pushed underneath it as if she was
trying to get herself free from it.
Most of the injuries that she had sustained were to her head
and her neck and kind of her chest as well.
They were later identified in her autopsy to be blunt force
trauma wounds. So it was confirmed that Anna
was beaten very, very severely and with some kind of heavy
weapon as well. And police actually found said
murder weapon in that room. In fact, they found two.
There were two weapons used on her.
There was a big like a metre long stick with two nails in
either end, which just sounds like a torture method to be
honest. And then there was a concrete
block that was used. Both of them had blood all over
them. The concrete block even had like
chunks of flesh and hair on it. The floor around where Anna's
body was laid was just covered in blood.
I think the blood was even still wet.
There was that much of it that it just hadn't even evaporated.
It hadn't even dried out. And her clothes, like I said,
because she was found naked, her clothes were found literally
just thrown all over the room. Anna also had what looked to be
a lot of self-defense wounds all over her arms, all over her
hands. She was really fighting for her
life. And actually, she was wearing
false nails at the time of her disappearance.
And when her body was found, almost all of them had like
popped off, suggesting that she had fought so hard for her life
that they'd literally flown off during this struggle.
This crime scene really was one of the worst the Irish police
had seen in years. There was so much blood, so many
injuries, and she was so young as well.
For her body to just be found in some random upstairs room of an
abandoned mansion, it was just so sad.
So there seemed to be two particular parts of Room 1 where
the incident took place. It looked like it had kind of
moved halfway through, the first of which was pretty much as soon
as you went to the door, there was a big pool of blood right in
the entryway. And then there was another one
over where Anna's body was eventually found by the window.
It was suggested that Anna's attacker probably started
attacking her as soon as she entered Room 1, but eventually
moved her over to the window where there was a little bit
more light, where it was coming in through the cracks in the
balls on the windows so that they could see what they were
doing to her as they were attacking her.
And it was there where Anna Kregel was murdered.
And her body was just left in this abandoned house for days
until police eventually found her.
So her body was taken for an autopsy where she was found to
have over 50 separate injuries. Her eye socket was fractured.
She had extensive hemorrhaging to the soft tissue in her neck.
Her jaw was fractured, Her cheekbone was fractured.
She had a huge laceration to a cheek, among many other things.
There were so many injuries to this girl that I could barely
sit here and read them all to you.
But something else that was discovered during this autopsy
was that Anna had been sexually assaulted as part of this
ordeal. I mean, police had already
theorized that she had because she was found naked, but to get
this confirmation still, it just felt awful that this 14 year old
girl had been through hell and back.
But as they were investigating this sexual assault element to
the crime, they realized that it wasn't quite as clean cut as
like yes she was raped or no she wasn't.
There had been signs of an attempted penetration.
So they actually had no idea to what extent Anna had actually
been sexually assaulted. There was no way of knowing from
looking at her body because there weren't any clues there
really. Her autopsy was able to place
Anna Krishel's time of death around 45 minutes after she left
the house. So she leaves the house with
this boy that she don't really know, her boy B, and then 45
minutes later she is murdered and sexually assaulted.
But that also means that she probably never even read those
text messages that her mother was sending her, telling her to
come home and all that kind of stuff.
She was probably in the middle of her ordeal as her mother was
texting us. So now the Irish police are left
to deal with probably the worst murder they'd had in recent
years. And the two prime suspects for
this case were 213 year old boys, two children.
This was unlike any other case they'd ever dealt with, to be
honest. Of course, following the
discovery of Anna's body inside the abandoned building, police
wanted to arrest those two boys ASAP because, well, I mean, it
doesn't take a genius to figure out that if they were the last
people to see Anna and then 20 minutes later she's brutally
murdered, they've probably got something to do with it.
But because the boys were so young, it wasn't as
straightforward as like, go into their house, handcuffing them,
arresting them. They couldn't do it like that.
It had to be done differently. They had to follow a certain
protocol and like, make a whole plan in order to arrest these
boys. They had to notify the parents
24 hours before, which is kind of mad.
Like imagine getting a call being like, in 24 hours your
child will be arrested. I think I'd have a heart attack.
So they went to arrest the boys in plain clothes.
They were in, well, not even an unmarked police car.
They couldn't be in the normal police car, obviously, but they
couldn't even be in their unmarked police cars because
everyone in town kind of already knew that they were the unmarked
police cars. Imagine that, by the way,
imagine a police force buying these cars to be unmarked police
cars so they can go undetected. But everyone in the town already
knows that they're the unmarked police cars, so they know it's
the police anyway. I don't know.
I don't know how that's supposed to even work.
But anyway, because everyone knew that the unmarked police
cars were still the police, they actually had to rent cars for
the day to go and arrest these boys so that no one would
identify the car outside their house.
It was a whole the whole operation.
But finally now both of the boys were arrested and sent to
different police stations for questioning.
And when they were there, they took all kinds of DNA swabs,
samples. They had to take all these DNA
tests and. So that they could test that
against the evidence that was found at the scene.
Of course, the police had collected pretty much everything
that they could from that abandoned house that they
thought was of use. They collected all of Anna's
clothing, those two murder weapons, obviously.
But one thing I actually didn't tell you earlier is that Anna's
T-shirt, when they found it on the floor, because all of her
clothes were just thrown around this room, When they found her
T-shirt, it had a big semen stain on it.
Of course, Anna wasn't just walking around like that, that
stain and had come from her attacker.
So that was quite a huge piece of evidence that they had of the
attacker that they knew they could match to one day.
They just had to find the suspect.
So they sent Boy A and Boy B's DNA samples off with all of
these pieces of evidence and they were all going to get
tested against each other. But like we always say, it would
take a few days to get those results back.
So in the meantime, the boys were at different police
stations and they were being questioned.
So let's talk about that, shall we?
Let's start with Boy B and his interview, because his is
probably the most eventful. Boy B told the police about this
particular conversation that he'd had with Boy A about a
month before this incident even happened, where Boy A approached
B and said, hey, want to kill someone.
Boy B told the police that he said no, to which A said, well,
why not? And B said, well, who do you
even want to kill anywhere? To which A turned around and
said so put yourself in Boy B's shoes for just a second.
Your best friend has turned around to you and said they want
to murder a random girl from school.
Do you want to know how he reacted?
Do you want to know what he said to his friend?
He turned to boy Air and said in your dreams.
In In Your Dreams, he said in your dreams in reference to
murdering someone in whose dreams?
Who dreams about that? To be honest, Boy B said that he
didn't think A was being serious with this at all.
And so he just kind of left the conversation there.
He didn't keep it going. They never revisited it.
That was kind of the only thing he said.
So anyway, Boy B's interview with the police continues.
And at one point they actually turned to him and said, plain
and simply, we know you're lying.
They didn't know what he was lying about, though.
That was the frustrating thing. They didn't know how involved he
was in this case. They just could tell that he
wasn't telling them the truth or the whole truth at least.
But police were very patient with him.
Actually, they were very gentle because they could tell that he
was very nervous. He was a 13 year old boy being
questioned in a murder investigation.
So like he was, he was very shy. And the police were so
accommodating with this kid. Like they let him take breaks
whenever he needed them. Whenever he was getting
overwhelmed, he could go out for a breather.
One of the officers even walked to the shop and bought him a
Ribena at one point. But even though they were so
nice to him, that didn't change the fact that they knew he was
was lying. They knew that he was involved
and they were just waiting for him to confess it.
And I think at this point as well, Boy B was kind of feeling
the same way. He kind of knew the jig was a
little after hours and hours of interrogation with his mother by
his side. By the way, because of his age,
he had to have a parent with him at all times.
He actually said to one of the officers, do you mind if my mom
leaves the room for a second? He wanted to tell them something
without her being there. The officers actually said to
Boy B that they couldn't do that.
Like, I mean, it was literally against the law to interview
someone, a child suspect without a parent present.
They couldn't do that. They couldn't accommodate that.
And so police actually never found out what he wanted to tell
them privately. So.
And it was on maybe day two of these interviews.
Oh, by the way, because the boys were so young, I don't think
they could put them in a cell. But obviously they needed to
hold them at the police station. So they actually brought beds
for them and their mothers into the offices.
And they, like, slept in A, in a police station office, not a
cell, an office overnight. So it was day two of these
interviews and the officers presented Boy B with some
damning evidence. And that was some of the
forensic tests had actually come back earlier than expected.
It was actually the test on Boy A's boots.
Do you remember his boots were sent off because he got jumped
and they wanted to find out who jumped him.
Well, actually those boots proved very useful in Anna's
investigation. They actually couldn't find any
evidence on those boots relating to his attackers.
You know, the guys that jumped in, they couldn't find any DNA
from any man on those boots actually for that matter.
But the DNA that they did find on those boots was all Anna
creations blood. So police told boy B that they'd
found this blood on his friends shoes.
And the way that boy B reacted right, He turned to the police
and he went, are you joking? Obviously the police were like,
well, no, with with the police, we don't joke.
They said to him it wasn't a joking matter and that they were
very serious and he looked pale as a ghost.
As soon as they told him this, like this affected him, he asked
if he could go out for a breather actually, because he
thought he was going to be sick. So he went and stood outside for
a while and then he came back in and he very much denied that he
had anything to do with anything that Boy A had done to Anna.
Boy B said he had no idea how Anna's blood had got on Boy A's
shoes. He had no idea that Boy Ear had
even attacked Anna. But as the interview was going
on, police started to see Boy B's cover story wearing away,
and they started to see little glimmers of the truth, things
that he'd been hiding the whole time.
But then on the 4th day of the interrogation, so this was going
on for a long, long time. On the 4th day, there was one
hell of a bombshell. Boy B walked straight into the
police station on that morning and said to one of the officers,
What I told you yesterday was a lie.
And he proceeded to tell them that he hadn't walked to Saint
Catherine's Park with Anna Kregel that night.
They didn't go to the park at all, actually.
They went straight to Glenwood House to go and meet Boy Air,
something that Boy B had conveniently left out of his
story the whole time. And Boy Air, both of them had
lied about where they'd been. But now Boy B was finally
starting to tell the truth. So he told the police that he
took Anna straight to Glenwood House where they met Boy Air and
literally within minutes of them getting there, Boy Air launched
himself at Anna Creasial and began attacking her.
He supposedly flipped Anna in some sort of like martial arts
move and then he started pulling her clothes off.
He was hitting her. Boy B said that Anna was
screaming and crying at this point, but Boy A kept trying to
stifle the screams by putting his hand over her mouth this
whole time. Boy B said that he was just
standing there watching this happening and he was just kind
of paralyzed with fear. He was frozen still and he
couldn't move to save Anna. He couldn't even and run away
the whole time he just stood and watched his best friend
assaulting this girl and he did absolutely nothing to save her.
He didn't even say anything to his friend.
And it was at this point during the attack, well during boy B's
account of the attack. We don't know if this is true
honestly, but according to boy B, the next thing that happened,
Boy A and Anna both turn their heads to look at him who is
still standing in the doorway watching this happen.
And he said that as soon as the two of them looked at him, that
like filled him with even more fear and he just ran.
He said he ran out of Glenwood House and as he did, he could
hear Anna still screaming inside.
And then all of a sudden, the screams became muffled again.
It was as if Boy A had put his hand over her mouth once again.
Boy B said that that was all he could tell police once again,
because after that he just ran straight home.
He was so scared that he didn't even tell anyone anything.
Boy B insisted to the police that he had no idea that that
Boy A was going to murder Anna. He didn't think he was being
serious. He didn't know what Boy A's plan
was, but he definitely didn't think it was murder.
But I would just like to call his bluff there for a second.
He literally told the police at the start of this interview four
days ago that he had had a conversation with his friend
where Boy A had specifically said that he wants to murder
Anna Creation. So I don't know how Boy B can
even say this. He obviously knew what Boy A
wanted with Anna on that day. He knew what he was luring Anna
into when Boy B knocked on her door that day.
He knew exactly what was going to happen to her, and he did it
anyway. So now that Boy B was finally
talking a little bit more openly about this case, police felt
like they could probably squeeze a bit more information out of
him. And so they decided to print off
all the crime scene photos and present them to him and just see
what his reaction was, see what he said about them.
And he was actually very startled to see one of the
pictures of Anna's body when she was found.
And she had that tape on her neck because he said he
recognized that tape. Boy B said that it was his
father's tip that he'd actually borrowed from the garage that
same week and lent it to Boy Air so that Boy Air could fix one of
his toys at home. So Boy Air was in possession of
that tape when it ended up around Anna Kregel's neck.
Meanwhile, of course, at the same time that this is going on,
Boy B's questioning, Boy A is also being questioned at a
different police station. And he has no idea that Boy B
has started to tell the truth. And so Boy A is very much still
sticking with the original story that they met Anna in the park
and he let her down gently and then, and then he went home to
do his homework or something. Obviously the police knew that
it was all crap. They knew that he was lying to
them because they'd already got the forensic evidence of his
boots back that had the blood all over them.
But the evidence was actually even more damning than that,
like even more than just having blood on your shoes.
They got a blood analyst in to actually look at the blood
pattern on the shoes. And they could tell from that
that boy A was the one inflicting the injuries on Anna
because of the way that the blood had splashed on him.
So it was just even worse. He couldn't even say that he was
just there and he just got blood on him because the shoes proved
that he was the one beating her. And the police told him this,
Yes. The police presented him with
this information as soon as they got those tests back from the
lab. They were like, look, her blood
is on your shoes. We know that you did this.
And he was just like, no, I didn't.
No, I didn't. I don't know how we can deny it
when it's in front of him literally in black and white.
But he did. Somehow police could just tell
that they weren't going to get anywhere with Boy A in his
questioning. He was not backing down.
Boy B back down pretty quickly, I'm not gonna lie, but boy air
not going anywhere. Police knew that they needed to
get some evidence some other way and so they decided to go and
search both of the boys homes to see if they can find any any
clues in there. To be honest, I'm actually quite
surprised that they didn't do this earlier on.
It might have taken them a while to get like search warrants and
stuff, but as soon as they did this, it was like case closed
because they found so much in those boys rooms.
So in Boye's bedroom, he had this closet and right at the
back of this closet was a backpack that has since come to
be known in this case as the murder kit.
So you can imagine what was inside.
There was a homemade Halloween mask in there.
There were shin pads, knee pads and some gloves.
All of these items were seized and sent for forensic testing.
But you know, take a few days to get the results back.
They seized both of the boys phones and they didn't really
find anything at all on boy bees.
But boy is God was that a different story.
So they found that he had quite an interest in like dark scary
things, which like look at me and you sat here talking about
true crime. Like obviously being into dark
things and horror things is not an indicator that you are a
murderer and the police knew that.
But it did kind of tell them a lot about Boyers character
because a lot of his search results were about a lot of deep
dark things like torture methods, like the 15 most
gruesome torture methods in history, which I've watched
those kind of videos before. I'm not going to lie, I'm very
interested in that. But he was watching a lot of
these. He was also very into creepy
pastors and reading about those, especially Jeff the killer.
Jeff the killer was his favorite little history lesson for you
here. Jeff the killer is one of the
most like notorious creepy pastors.
It's like a classic 0. And if you don't know what a
creepy pastor is, let me do even more explanation.
A creepy pastor is basically like a fictional Horror Story on
the Internet. It's like an urban legend, like
a horror legend. They're not real.
They're not real stories. Think Slender Man Slender Man
was a creepypasta, probably the most famous creepypasta.
It's not real, but it's a Horror Story, an urban legend that
people talk about as if it is real.
But yeah, like I said, Boy A was particularly fascinated with
Jeff the Killer. And if you're not versed on
your, on your Jeff the Killer law, then I'll tell you a little
bit more about him. So Jeff the Killer starts out in
this story is just a normal boy. He's like a 13 year old boy,
which by the way a side note probably why boy a connected
with this story so much. He could probably relate to Jeff
the killer. So Jeff was a normal boy but
then he started getting bullied by these three boys who threw
lighter fluid on him and set him on fire.
Remember, this isn't real. Just just in case you get upset,
it's not real. He was left with a really
disfigured face. Like don't Google it's the
pictures that they're obviously fake, but the pictures are
creepy as Hellfire. And from that point on, his like
disfigurement actually turned him mad.
He went, he went insane. All of a sudden he got this like
taste for murder. He wanted to murder those school
bullies that did that to him. He wanted to get revenge.
And so he did. He went and murdered all three
of them. But he wasn't done there because
now he killed three people. Like I said, he got a taste for
it. And so he didn't stop there.
Jeff then went home and murdered his parents.
He murdered his older brother, I think.
And as the legend goes, Jeff, the killer is supposedly still
out there taking new victims every single day.
But obviously it's not real, so don't worry.
Tangent aside, that was the story that Boy A was, I don't
know, some sources said obsessed with.
I don't think he was obsessed with it.
I think he read up on it a few times and I think I have also
read up on it a few times. So that alone doesn't determine
whether he's a killer or not. Obviously reading about and
being into like dark and morbid stuff is not a red flag in
itself, I don't think. But the red flag certainly did
start popping up the further they looked into Boyer's phone.
I think Boy A had been searching a lot of things on the Internet
and then deleted eating said search history, which is why it
took them a while to find this kind of stuff.
They found all the all the surface level like creepypasta
stuff. And then they found what I'm
about to tell you in the archives of his deleted
searches. Police found that boy A had been
searching for abandoned buildings in their area, one of
which that came up was Glenwood House and he'd clicked on it and
he'd been reading about it. That was the only thing that
police found on his phone that directly linked to Anna Krishel
and her murder obviously being the location that her body was
found. But they found a whole load more
stuff on his phone, even if it didn't directly link to her.
And to be honest, it actually gets worse from here.
Much much worse. 10 * 1,000,000 times worse.
This 13 year old boy had been searching for all kinds of
illegal pornography, like torture porn, different kind of
rape porn, beastiality, horse porn.
Specifically he was even looking up child porn, which he is 13,
so he has a child himself. Some of the news sources that I
read said that the children were younger than him, but other
sources said that they were girls around the same age as
him. So I don't know.
That is what it is. I know I've reiterated this
probably about a million times in this case, and you're
probably sick of hearing me say it, but let me remind you, this
boy was 1313 years old looking for torch upon and bestiality.
I don't even think I knew what those things were at 13.
So all of that is what was found in boy is bedroom, his phone,
the murder kit, all of that kind of stuff.
But with Boy B's house, the searchers weren't quite as
fruitful. There was one thing they found
in Boy Bees house that was somewhat interesting.
It was a list of a load of boys names and his name was on it and
so was Boy Ears. And it seemed that this was a
list for a satanic club. And I say that very lightly
because remember they were 13 year old boys and like, I don't
think it was actually anything serious.
I think they were just being like rebellious little kids that
were like, oh, Satan. But on this piece of paper with
all the members names, it also had a bunch of rules that this
satanic club went by. And these rules were don't talk
about the club act normal like nothing happened.
That's an exact quote, by the way.
I don't no talking about Jesus or God, only Satan.
But yeah, like I said, police didn't really think too much
into this. They didn't think it was
anything serious or like actually satanic.
They thought it was just a bunch of school kids that were just
like, I don't know, they learnt what Satan was and now they want
to be rebellious. So right now, police have a lot
of evidence against these two boys.
Actually, that's a lie. They have a lot against Boy A,
but actually nothing against Boy B.
They don't have any physical evidence to say that Boy B was
involved in Anna Kregel's murder.
We'll talk a lot more about that later on, but I think it's just
important to keep in mind there's no evidence against Boy
B right now. The only evidence that they have
against him actually is his own words, the things that he has
said in his interviews, but there's no physical connections
there at all. Police felt like they needed
that little bit more evidence before they could charge these
boys and take them to trial. But luckily for the police, all
the results from the forensic test were coming in now.
The 1st result that they got back was of boy is Murder kit.
The backpack with the Halloween mask, the shin pads, knee pads,
river pads, all the pads and every single thing in that bag.
The inside of the bag, the inside of the Halloween mask,
the gloves, the shin pads, knee pads, all of it had Anna
Kriegel's blood on them and her T-shirt that had the semen stain
on it. What do you know?
That semen stain came back as a match to Boy Air.
And with that, police finally had all the evidence they needed
to charge Boy Air and Boy B with the murder of Anna Kriegel.
They were actually the youngest people in the history of the
Republic of Ireland to ever be charged with murder.
And because the boys were so young, a lot of adaptations were
made to the trial process, just like they were to the arresting
process. So one of the adaptations that
was made was that the boys were allowed their parents next to
them. They were allowed to sit next to
their parents and for a lot of it, they were actually holding
their mother's hands. I think that really hammers in
how young these boys were, that they were sitting at their own
murder trial holding mummy's hand.
And for a lot of the trial, whenever people would look over
at certain points, they'd be like resting their head on their
mum's shoulder as if they weren't at their own murder
trial. Everyone just said it was so
bizarre to see children so young in these circumstances.
The judges in the trials weren't allowed to wear their wigs or
their robes. You know, the usual judge get up
because they feared that it would intimidate the boys, the
murderers, the the kids that are charged with murder.
The boys would have to be snook in through the back entrance or
the side entrance of every courthouse they went into just
to avoid like media obviously because they were trying to
protect these boys identities. But actually a lot of the media
were banned from being there. Only the reliable sources were
allowed in. And I don't know who that is.
I don't know. I don't know which ones they
they allowed and which ones they were like no, you lied.
But anyway, the trial began and it started with both of the boys
pleading not guilty to all of the charges against them.
So it was up to the prosecution to try and prove that they were
guilty. And although it looked like a
very straightforward case when it came to boy A, AKA the boy
with the murder kit and all of the illegal porn search history.
But when it came to Boy B. It wasn't quite so
straightforward because remember I said there was no physical
evidence connecting him to the crime.
There was no blood on his clothing.
He didn't leave a semen sample on a T-shirt.
All of that was Boy A. So how could they prove that Boy
B was there and more importantly, that he was
involved in Anna's murder? The only reason that police knew
that Boy B was even there on that day was because of his own
admissions, because of what Boy B had told them openly in
interviews, which this comes with a little bit of a moral
dilemma because of the age of this child.
He was 13. He didn't have a lawyer present.
He only had his parents who obviously were not knowledgeable
on the law and and what their son can and can't say.
And so a lot of people think that Boy B didn't really have a
fair chance here. I mean, legally everything was
sound. It wasn't like the police did
anything wrong. They didn't question him
illegally without A lawyer there.
It was completely optional. I think.
So Like, yeah, they were allowed to use the interviews in the
trial, but a lot of people felt really weird about it.
Like a lot of people felt like they shouldn't be able to use
those interviews in the trial with such a lack of physical
evidence. People actually felt really
weird that Boy B had even been charged with murder at all
because there was no evidence to say that he murdered anyone.
I mean, obviously there were his own admissions and the things
that he'd said in his interview. So maybe does that not more
sound like an accessory to murder or something like that?
Like, I don't know why he got the full murder charge and was
put on trial for murder when there's actually no physical
evidence to tie him that. But anyway, back to the actual
trial. So on one of the first days that
everyone was in court, there was quite the bombshell piece of
evidence dropped in the mix and no one was expecting this.
Boy A had confessed he'd been given a psychiatrist to work
with in the run up to the trial just so that they could assess
his mental health and stuff like that.
Turned out that he confessed the whole thing to this psychiatrist
in detail from start to end, the whole murder.
Boy A said that he started by choking an accretial and then he
saw that big piece of wood with two nails in it and he thought
perfect. So he grabbed it and started
beating her with it. He ended up dropping that weapon
for some reason and instead picked up the concrete block,
the second weapon, and started beating her over the head with
that. That was the weapon that he
eventually used to murder Anna Kregel.
Boy A denied all of the sexual assault claims against him, all
of his sexual assault charges. However, remember the autopsy
said that penetration was attempted.
So pathologists do believe that he was trying to rape Anna
Kregel that day, but something got in the way.
And so he decided not to actually rape her, but instead
to masturbate over her body and then ejaculate onto her T-shirt.
And then he just left. He left Anna Kregel's dead body
in this abandoned building for days and just went about his
life as if nothing had just happened.
So what was Boy A gonna do now? Because they had so much
physical evidence against him, the semen sample, the blood, all
that. So do you want to know what his
team did? Do you want to know what his
team did? They actually tried to argue
that the semen on Anna's T-shirt was from consensual intimacy.
So they're trying to say that the two of them had, you know,
perfectly fine consensual sex, everything was good, everything
was happy and rosy. And then Boy A, just out of
nowhere, just turn around and murdered her.
But I mean, look at how her body was found.
Anna was literally trying to free herself from the duct tape
around her neck. It certainly doesn't look
consensual. Also, I just thought I'd take
this opportunity to remind you that Boy A told the police right
at the start of this investigation that he wasn't
attracted to or interested in Anna Krishel.
His original cover story was that he was meeting her in the
park that day to let her down gently because he wasn't
interested. So how could this meeting have
gone from leave me alone, I'm not interested in you to hang on
a minute, let's go have consensual sex in that abandoned
building. Personally, I'm not buying that.
So eventually after a 7 week trial, the jury went to
deliberate. But before they did, Boy B's
lawyer actually stopped them. And he was like, wait, let me,
let me, let me just do a little speech.
He urged the jury to be open minded when it came to Boy B's
verdict. The lawyer reminded them that
the manslaughter verdict was still on the table.
Yes, Boy B was charged with murder, but they didn't have to
find him guilty or not guilty. They could go for the
alternative, which was manslaughter.
If they believed the lack of physical evidence to be enough
of an issue, then it would only make sense to go for the
manslaughter plea. And before he let the jury go,
the lawyer said one last thing and that was that witnessing a
murder is not equal to committing a murder.
And then the jury went off and deliberated.
But it seemed that the jury felt that both boys were just as bad
as each other because when they returned, they found both Boy A
and Boy B guilty of the murder of Anna Krejel.
Boy A was also found guilty of aggravated sexual assault and
for that he was actually put on the sex offenders register.
And when this verdict was read out in the court that both boys
were guilty, Boy A started crying and Boy B just put his
head in his hands. Boy B's father, on the other
hand, was not taking making it quite so quietly, shall we say.
He jumped up out of his seat in that courtroom and started
screaming at everyone saying you bunch of scumbags, you bunch of
pricks. As his son was led out of the
courtroom, now a convicted murderer, Boy B's father stood
there and did a slow, sarcastic clap.
He sarcastically commended the judge and the jury for their
excellent work on sentencing an innocent boy.
Well, that was what his father said.
He said he was an innocent boy. So the jury explained to the
court their reasoning for finding Boy B guilty of murder
rather than going for the alternative manslaughter plea.
And they said that he was the key factor in the successful
completion of this murder. Without Boy B's part in all of
this, without him going to Anna's house, literally calling
for her, and then taking her to this abandoned building to Boy
A, she wouldn't have been murdered.
And so the jury felt that that was a good enough reason to also
charge him with the murder because if he wasn't there, it
wouldn't have happened. Boy A was sentenced to life in
prison with a review after 12 years, which will happen when he
is 26. I think Boy B was sentenced to
15 years in prison with a minimum of eight.
So the earliest that he can get out is when he's 23.
Right now, I think both of the boys are 17, which means
actually that they're almost 18, which means they'll be leaving
the youth detention centers soon enough and going to the big
scary world of adult prisons. Even though both boys identities
have always been kept anonymous and they always will be,
actually their identities are protected forever.
But Despite that, we know very basic things about their
childhood and neither of them actually had any red flags in
their childhood. There was number abuse, no
mental illness, no bullying, no trauma that we know of.
I mean, they were very normal boys from Nice, loving, middle
class families. They had a great childhood.
There was absolutely nothing that could have indicated that
they were going to turn out like this.
But yeah, like I said, their identities are going to be
protected for the rest of their lives, just like Thompson and
Venables. If you've heard of the James
Bulger case, I actually did a video on it if you're
interested. It's quite an old video, so it's
maybe not that good now, but James Bulger was a toddler who
was murdered by two young boys. They were very young at the
time. And it's a very similar case to
this actually. Now those killers, Thompson and
Venables, are older, they're out of prison with their new
protected identities, and they're both just living a
normal life walking amongst us, these two child murderers.
That's actually probably a lie though, because Venables is a
repeat offender. He's always in prison for like
child porn and stuff these days. So who knows?
He's probably actually not amongst us.
But Thompson, I've actually read somewhere, I can't remember
where I read this so maybe don't quote me on it, but I've read
that he's married with kids and his wife actually knows who he
is, which is scary. And it's scary to think that
these two boys might be walking amongst us in like 10 years
time. Less than following the boys
sentencing, Geraldine and Patrick Kriegel released a
victim statement. They said life without Anna is
no longer a life, nor is it even an existence.
It is a misery that we must endure for the rest of our
lives. They also read out a paragraph
that Anna had written when she was about 11 or 12, just before
she went up to secondary school, and it was talking about all her
hopes and dreams for the future, It read.
My hope is to go to Parish University, just like my dad.
I would like to get married too. Not sure if I want any babies,
Well, not yet anyway. I hope that I have a good life.
I hope that everyone I meet will be nice.
And that last sentence is the most heartbreaking thing I've
ever read in my research of a case ever.
That girl was so innocent and so full of love.
All she ever wanted to do was be someone's friend.
She just seemed like such an incredible little girl.
And it's such a such a heartbreaking case is this one.
And that is all for this episode.
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