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When a sweet older couple were 
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sitting side by side in their 
armchairs, nothing seemed 

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suspicious about it at first. 
There were no signs of violence.

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There was no note left behind. 
This didn't look like a crime 

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scene, but trust me, this had 
been a cold blooded murder. 

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Carol and Stephen Baxter's 
killer had played the long game.

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They had planted seeds of 
manipulation just waiting for 

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the right moment. 
And when that moment finally 

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came, he set up a secret camera 
and recorded everything. 

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Hello and welcome to Outlaw 
Podcast. 

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I'm Ellen O'Neill, and in 
today's episode we're in Essex 

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in 2023, where Carol and Stephen
Baxter had been living out their

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later years together peacefully.
But unbeknownst to the couple, 

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someone had been quietly 
plotting against them, even 

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taking the steps required to put
them into an early grave. 

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And this manipulation and 
premeditation didn't just take 

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place over the few days or weeks
before their death. 

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It had been years in the making.
And as investigators began to 

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unravel what had happened, the 
list of possible suspects all 

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turned out to be much closer to 
home than anyone had expected. 

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Honestly, gang, researching this
case has shaken me to my core. 

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It's one of those that makes you
question like, how am I ever 

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going to be able to trust 
another human being ever again? 

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Because it's more than just what
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It's about how long it all went 
unnoticed and how few red flags 

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about the situation there 
actually were. 

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Carol and Steven were killed in 
slow motion. 

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Their deaths were the result of 
a series of building 

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manipulations. 
They never saw it coming. 

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And truthfully, I don't think 
many of us would have either. 

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And I just think that's what 
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It's something that could 
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us. 
It's about how easily and 

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quietly your trust can be used 
against you and how trusting the

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wrong people can actually be 
fatal. 

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It's the kind of case that 
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Like it completely changes the 
way that you look at things for 

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a little while afterwards. 
And I'm still in that phase. 

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So now, before we get too far 
in, I do just want to give my 

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usual disclaimer that I mean 
absolutely no harm or disrespect

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to anyone that we talk about in 
today's case. 

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Our episodes are made with the 
utmost care to honour those who 

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lost their lives and to respect 
the profound grief that they're 

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loved, loved ones and jaw. 
Given the nature of today's 

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episode, we'll be covering some 
very sensitive topics including 

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drug misuse, psychological 
abuse, coercive control, medical

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manipulation, cancer and 
references to suicide. 

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This episode is created with the
hope to raise awareness and 

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inspire change and further 
Victim Support, so viewer 

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discretion is advised. 
Now, before we dive into this 

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world of manipulation and 
deception, let's rewind because 

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at the sense of this nightmare 
were two innocent people, a man 

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and a woman, who simply fell in 
love and spent their whole lives

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by one another's side. 
Carol and Stephen Baxter were 

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both born around the early 1960s
and for most of their lives they

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had no idea who one another were
because they actually met kind 

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of later on in life. 
But they both still had very 

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similar upbringings and 
backgrounds. 

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They'd both been raised on 
London council estates with 

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difficult financial situations 
in both families and while they 

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struggled to get by, both of 
them would have said that they 

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had a pretty happy childhood. 
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but there were also no like 
bells and whistles, just a 

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normal upbringing and a loving 
family around them. 

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They both lived a few lives 
before they met one another, if 

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you get what I mean. 
Different jobs, different 

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partners, different locations, 
different living situations. 

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Carol even married and had two 
children with a previous 

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partner, but eventually she 
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lovely Steven and the two of 
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love. 
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decided to have two more 
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Ellie. 
And as the kids grew up, Carol 

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and Stephen did everything they 
could to give them a beautiful, 

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happy upbringing. 
They instilled important values 

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into them to work hard and be 
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They fueled their creativity and
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Stephen taught his son Harry to 
play the guitar and they would 

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serenade Carol and Ellie 
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And that was like the sweetest 
thing I think I've ever heard. 

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That's core memory kind of 
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By now, Stephen was working as 
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primary school teacher. 
He absolutely dotted on her and 

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she dotted on everyone. 
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like the sweetest Angel that you
could ever meet. 

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She would do everything she 
could, big or small, to show the

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people around her that she cared
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them. 
Think like little handwritten 

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notes and home cooked meals 
dropped off to sick relatives or

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neighbors. 
And her children were just her 

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whole entire life, both her 
biological ones and the ones 

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that she taught in the school. 
But in 2005, tragedy struck the 

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family. 
The beloved matriarch Carol, was

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in her early 50s when she was 
diagnosed with Hashimoto's 

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disease. 
Now this is a gnarly and 

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incurable autoimmune condition 
where the patient's immune 

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system begins attacking their 
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It can be really, really hard to
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extreme symptoms like fatigue, 
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problems, joint and muscle 
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It's a lot on so many levels. 
It can feel surrounding and 

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quite hopeless. 
For sufferers though, while it 

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is an incurable condition, it is
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They can do lifelong hormone 
replacement therapy in order to 

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manage the symptoms and try to 
bring the thyroid back to normal

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functioning. 
And that was offered to Carol 

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Baxter and it seemed to work for
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I mean, she wasn't well again by
any means, but she was managing 

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better than before as soon as 
she got onto this hormone 

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treatment. 
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that the family decided it might
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get away from all that hustle 
and bustle and make a nest for 

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themselves somewhere where life 
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They chose Mersey Island in 
Essex, which is genuinely a 

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little island that only just 
connects to the coast of 

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England. 
It is a charming place, known 

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for sailing and fishing, it's 
oyster industry especially. 

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It had those gorgeous like 
colourful little beach huts and 

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that classic relaxed, Beachy 
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A life there promised more 
space, more peace, and a slower,

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softer way of living. 
So Carol and Steven buy this big

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beautiful house out there. 5 
bedrooms, a huge garden filled 

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with fruit trees and vegetables 
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And they lived there happily for
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to renovate the property and 
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their needs. 
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stumble across what can only be 
described as $1,000,000 idea. 

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They realized as they were 
decorating the bathroom that 

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they just couldn't find any bath
mats to fit their curved shower.

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It seems like the only bath mats
on the market were square or 

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rectangular or even Oval. 
But none of that was going to 

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work. 
They had a curved shower and 

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they spotted this gap in the 
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If they need the curved shower 
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loads of other people out there 
needing that exact same thing. 

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So they made one for themselves 
and they soon began selling them

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to others, starting their own 
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This was around 2013 kind of 
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business was booming, guys. 
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out of their home, but as demand
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stock that they held and soon 
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They got themselves a warehouse 
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next step after that was hiring 
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online side of things. 
Carolyn Stephen were in their 

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50s and they hadn't grown up 
with the Internet and they 

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actually had no idea where to 
start when it came to setting up

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a website and an e-commerce 
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So they put out an ad for the 
job and into their lives walked 

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a computer whiz named Luke 
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He was in his late 20s. 
He had experience developing 

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websites. 
He even had a computer science 

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degree, and he really helped the
couple to level up their 

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business. 
He lived local as well, so it 

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was really quite ideal. 
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and really get to know Carol and
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He'd worked in this capacity for
a few local businesses and 

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charities, and they all all had 
glowing reviews of this man. 

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Mind you, Luke DeWitt was a bit 
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I'm sorry, that does sound mean,
and I hate to stereotype, but he

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was your typical computer geek. 
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He still lived at home with his 
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He didn't have a partner. 
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He spent practically all of his 
time either working or playing 

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video games, but actually 
someone like that seemed quite 

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ideal for the role. 
He was dedicated to the business

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since he really didn't have much
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that little island. 
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by his work on the website, and 
they were very grateful to have 

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found someone with such 
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In the areas where they fell 
short, they felt really lucky to

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have found Luke DeWitt. 
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increasingly successful. 
Their finances were building and

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building. 
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increased luxury. 
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Carol Baxter was very unwell and
her health was about to take a 

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sharp decline. 
By this point in the late 20 

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tens, Carol had been dealing 
with Hashimoto's disease for 

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over 10 years. 
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symptoms had gotten more 
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Her fatigue was now extreme and 
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She was often confused and 
forgetful, doing unexplainable 

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things like putting bleach in 
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the plants outside. 
She even almost burned the house

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down one time. 
It was becoming very concerning 

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and the Baxters continually 
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this was actually very serious 
for Carol and for those around 

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her, but not much more could 
really be done outside of the 

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hormone replacement therapy that
she was already on. 

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Carolyn, her family actually 
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in the UK was just continually 
dismissing her and not helping. 

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So they tried to go private. 
They paid to see hormone 

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specialists, brain specialists. 
She had scans out the wazoo, but

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none of it was helpful 
whatsoever. 

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Every conclusion that 
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that the hormone replacement 
therapy was her best and frankly

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only option to treat 
Hashimoto's. 

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By now, Carole's health had 
declined so much that she needed

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a lot of physical support. 
The couple's kids, Harry and 

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Ellie, had grown up and moved 
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They were starting lives and 
families of their own. 

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So I mean, as much as they tried
and wanted to be around to look 

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after their mom, they couldn't 
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And Stephen became a full time 
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At this stage, there was a real 
fear about what was coming. 

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Carol's condition would only 
continue to worsen and the 

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confusion, like I said, was 
manifesting in more and more 

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dangerous ways. 
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desperation to halt the decline 
and get some sort of solution. 

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But in February 2022, they came 
into contact with someone who 

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actually seemed like they might 
have the answers. 

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An e-mail had landed in their 
inbox from a Dr. Andrea Bowden. 

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She claimed to have experience 
with patients beating 

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Hashimoto's disease. 
Now she started her e-mail with 

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something along the lines of 
this isn't just another spam 

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e-mail. 
And she went on to say that she 

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was an endocrinologist based all
the way in sunny Florida, but 

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she had a lot of success with 
Hashimoto's patients there in 

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the UK. 
She asks Carol to document all 

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of her daily struggles and 
symptoms so that they can 

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discuss a treatment plan. 
Stephen helps as much as he can.

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He's emailing back and forth 
with Doctor Bowden and taking 

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lots of videos of Carol in her 
day-to-day struggle. 

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And Doctor Burden even 
introduces the couple to a whole

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network of people who are also 
struggling with Hashimoto's. 

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Because, I mean, it can be a 
very lonely, very isolating 

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condition to have. 
No one quite understands it like

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fellow patients. 
So they'd made this little 

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WhatsApp group chat where they 
could discuss symptoms and help 

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each other with tips and 
treatment and emotional support.

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Carol was added and she just 
felt this huge wave of relief to

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finally feel her and understood 
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affect middle-aged women. 
So not only did Carol finally 

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feel supported but she could 
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way more than just their 
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They all seem to have similar 
situations and complications. 

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They could discuss how it was 
affecting their children or 

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their marriages and it was just 
huge for Carol and they were 

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very grateful to have found 
Doctor Borden and this support 

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group. 
So Carol begins following these 

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very specific rules and 
instructions set by Doctor 

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Burden. 
It was about changing Carole 

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lifestyle and she was assured 
that if she followed the rules 

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to a tee, she would be well. 
These rules and instructions 

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were mainly holistic treatments 
like nutritional supplements, 

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herbal remedies, remedies, diet 
changes, lots of shakes and 

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smoothies and shots and gut 
health foods. 

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You know the vibe. 
Carol was instructed to take it 

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easy. 
That was like the biggest rule 

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from Doctor Bowden. 
That meant chill out on the 

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housework, go out less, do 
things less, and honestly, like 

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in general, do anything to avoid
spiking the stress hormone 

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cortisol. 
That that was really, really 

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important. 
That cortisol doesn't go out of 

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control. 
Now, spiking this hormone 

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doesn't just happen under like, 
severe stress. 

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It can happen multiple times in 
an hour. 

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It can happen when you're 
running late or when you get 

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some slightly bad news or if you
experience even a slightly tense

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conversation. 
Bowden's advice in general was 

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to, you know, limit interactions
with people as much as you can 

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to avoid any unexpected cortisol
spikes where possible. 

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This eventually meant that Carol
barely left the house and barely

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saw or spoke to her friends and 
family. 

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She also wasn't allowed to use 
her phone anymore because that 

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was bad too. 
Dr. Andrea Bowden seemingly ran 

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a tight ship when it came to 
treating her patients. 

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I have a snippet from an e-mail 
that was sent to the Baxter's 

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here. 
Bowden said keep away from the 

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cell. 
I cannot honestly tell you how 

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awful these machines are. 
You will be drawn in. 

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You will want to look at 
pictures or older messages if 

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something is bothering you. 
Eve, make sure the cell is put 

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away. 
We are not out of danger yet. 

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Enjoy the gym honey. 
Remember to go light, do not 

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push. 
I know how competitive you are. 

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No phones, absolutely no family.
The last bit about no family 

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isn't an exaggeration either. 
Carol had been instructed to 

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only see family members one at a
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week again to avoid spiking 
chemicals that would flood her 

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adrenal glands, whatever that 
means. 

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This was devastating for Carol, 
as it would be for so many 

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people. 
She loved seeing her family, and

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limiting contact felt like too 
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So she ran to the support group 
on WhatsApp to vent her 

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frustrations with this part of 
the treatment plan. 

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She said that stopping doing the
housework was simply impractical

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to a point where she'd had to 
start picking up certain tasks 

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again. 
She was essentially looking for 

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reassurance from the other women
that they were also struggling 

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to stick to such a strict plan. 
But reassurance is not what she 

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got. 
A lady named Cheryl Haring 

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essentially had a go at Carroll 
for not taking the plan 

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seriously enough, she said. 
You are completely ignoring the 

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rules. 
No washing, no dishwashing. 

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Don't even bother making excuses
for it, another lady named Linda

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Edwards wrote. 
My 1 little treasure of advice 

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for you is to listen to what 
Andrea says. 

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Whatever she says, just do. 
But despite sticking to the 

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strict rules as much as she 
could, Carol's symptoms only 

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continued to worsen and the main
symptoms were really affecting 

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her brain. 
Her brain fog and confusion 

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became so severe that she could 
barely function on her own. 

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She wasn't really allowed to be 
left alone for fears that she 

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could harm herself or do 
something dangerous. 

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Steven would send video after 
video to Bowden at her request 

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every time Carol did something 
odd due to her confusion. 

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In one of these videos, she had 
taken out some potato wedges 

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from the freezer and laid about 
5 or 6 of them on top of an iPad

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and then just left it on the 
side. 

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You know it's unexplainable but 
harmless. 

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You know, there were harmless 
moments like this, but scary 

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moments too, like leaving the 
stove on or pouring bleach into 

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the kettle that all the family 
drink from. 

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Carol truly required round the 
clock care and supervision. 

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Sadly, it was just really really
hard on everyone. 

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Then a few months into 2022, 
Carol starts experiencing awful,

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debilitating pain in her 
stomach. 

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She gets rushed to the hospital 
for an X-ray and in her colon 

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they found a 17 millimetre 
thumbtack pin. 

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A sharp fucking tack. 
Like from a cork board. 

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The only explanation that anyone
had for this, it was Carol's 

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confusion. 
Maybe she had swallowed a pin 

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thinking it was a sweet or 
something, or maybe there just 

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wasn't any thought behind it. 
Maybe she had just found it and 

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swallowed it when she was alone.
Carol herself insisted that she 

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had not swallowed A thumbtack 
pin, especially not of her own 

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volition, like she had no memory
of doing that. 

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But sadly, after everything that
she had done lately, Bleach in 

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the kettle, Potatoes on the 
iPad, no one believed her when 

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she said that she hadn't done it
and she had no memory of it 

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because it seemed that she did 
quite a lot of things and didn't

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have a memory of it anymore. 
Now, after this incident, 

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Carol's condition felt like it 
had reached a peak. 

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Her confusion had seemingly led 
to her seriously damaging her 

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own body. 
She was terrified. 

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And so she took to the WhatsApp 
group for support and connection

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once again. 
But this is where things start 

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to get weird. 
The Baxters decided that it 

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might be good for Carol to meet 
up with one of the women from 

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this Hashimoto support group 
because they could discuss like 

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the effects that their condition
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They could connect in their fear
and hopefully feel less alone in

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doing so. 
One of the women in this chat 

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agrees. 
She says that she lives about 3 

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hours away in Warwickshire and 
so they make plans for Steven 

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and Carol to drive all the way 
out there so that they can meet 

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in a luxury hotel to sit and 
chat over a cup of tea. 

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They agree on a date and the 
couple travel all the way there,

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but when they arrive, there's no
sign of the lady. 

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Carol and Steven waited and 
waited for her, but ultimately 

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she was a no show. 
They texted and called her 

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several times, but the radio 
silence was deafening. 

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This woman had ghosted poor 
Carol Baxter. 

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So Carol and Stephen drive a 
further 3 hours back home, 

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defeated, annoyed, and above 
all, just really deflated. 

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So much for not spiking Carol's 
cortisol. 

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This whole ordeal had been 
stressful and devastating. 

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A few days later, Carol receives
a message from an unknown 

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number. 
It's the husband of of the woman

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that she was supposed to meet. 
He told Carol that his wife was 

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dead. 
He said that she had suffered a 

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stroke due to complications from
Hashimoto's disease. 

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So while it hadn't killed her 
directly, a woman that Carol now

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considered a friend had died as 
a result of the very same 

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condition that they both shared.
This bid for connection had 

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actually ended 100 times worse 
than she could have ever 

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imagined. 
She wanted reassurance that they

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could handle this awful 
condition together, but what she

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got was quite the opposite. 
Shortly after receiving this 

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devastating news, an e-mail from
Dr. Andrea Boden landed in the 

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Baxter's inbox. 
It was addressing the same 

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topic, the tragic death of this 
lady, but the sentiment was much

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different. 
Doctor Boden didn't seem sad or 

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even shocked. 
In fact, she seemed pissed. 

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She said why do some ladies not 
listen, insinuating that this 

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woman had died because she just 
hadn't followed Dr. Borden's 

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instructions well enough. 
This was a less than comforting 

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reaction, and we can only 
imagine that it led to the 

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Baxter's knuckling down on the 
advice harder than ever before, 

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scaring them into obeying every 
rule. 

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Around this time, the couple's 
daughter Ellie is starting to 

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think twice about this American 
specialist doctor. 

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Not only was there's a really 
odd reaction to have to a 

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patient dying, but it was 
actually the cherry on top of a 

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few different red flags she'd 
been noticing. 

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Bowden had always been over 
familiar with the Baxters, shall

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we say. 
She would call Carol a whole 

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range of pet names in emails, 
which, by the way, would hit 

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their inbox sometimes upwards of
100 times a day. 100 emails a 

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day from one woman. 
Doctor Borden seemed quite 

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obsessed with Carol and her 
case, actually, to say that she 

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was all the way in the US and I 
don't believe they paid her a 

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single penny. 
She spent a lot of time on Carol

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for free. 
Why? 

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At first the Baxters were 
nothing but grateful for what 

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seemed like generous specialist 
support and advice, but now that

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a darker side seemed to be 
rearing its head, Carol's loved 

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ones began wondering what Doctor
Bodom really gets out of all of 

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this. 
Ellie tried to raise her 

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concerns directly with her mum, 
but Carol was strong willed and 

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she wanted to believe that she 
had found genuine support in a 

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selfless Dr. overseas. 
She didn't really want to hear 

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it. 
So Ellie brings it up to close 

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family friend, an employee of 
her parents, website designer 

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Luke DeWitt. 
He hasn't come into the story 

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much yet, but he has been there 
the whole entire time, helping 

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to care for Carol and being 
someone to lean on through all 

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of this scary mess over the 
years. 

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He worked part time for the 
couple's business for years and 

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years at this point, and he'd 
become so close to them that he 

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would even come around to see 
them on his days off. 

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It was almost like he saw them 
as his own aging and ailing 

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parents. 
He tried to help as often as he 

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could, and of course the Baxters
were open to any and all help 

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that they could get, even if 
Carol was having a pretty good 

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day. 
Luke might even still come over 

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just for a cup of tea and to 
keep her company, since part of 

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the advice was that she should 
barely leave the house or do 

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anything at all. 
So he'd seen first hand how she 

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had declined of the years, and 
he'd seen the introduction of 

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Doctor Bowden and how involved 
she had gotten with Carol. 

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And once Ellie raised her 
concerns with him, he seemed to 

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share the same sentiment. 
Ellie saw Luke do it like a 

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second older brother. 
He had been working with her 

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parents since she was a 
teenager, so she'd essentially 

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grown up with him in her life. 
And he'd done so much not just 

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for Carol and her parents, but 
for Ellie as well. 

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Because she had become a mother 
at a relatively young age and 

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she found herself strapped for 
cash at times, and Luke would 

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often lend her money and help 
her out of tricky situations. 

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Over the years. 
He had lent us something close 

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to 7 grand and he was in no rush
to get it back. 

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He wasn't badgering her for it. 
I mean, that's quite irrelevant 

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to the matter at hand, but I 
guess it just gives you an idea 

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of how close they all were. 
This man wasn't just an employee

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to the family, he was an 
honorary family member. 

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Carol and Stephen even referred 
to Luke as their adoptive son. 

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He was always round at their 
house helping out with the 

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housework. 
Since Carol was now unable, he 

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also took on a larger role 
within the company so that Carol

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could take a backseat and 
Stephen could be her carer. 

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Luke ended up essentially 
running the the majority of the 

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day-to-day of that business, and
he'd become a secondary carer to

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Carol. 
He was helping to prepare all 

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the various shakes and smoothies
and health supplements that 

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Doctor Boden would send over. 
He would help Carol to put her 

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slippers on. 
He would hold her up as she 

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walked down the stairs. 
His actions weren't just that of

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a carer, but of a loving, caring
son. 

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It actually came to a point 
where Carol and Stephen were 

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quite reliant on Luke. 
Stephen couldn't possibly run 

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the company and be a full time 
carer for his wife all on his 

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own. 
So Luke was handed over most of 

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the day-to-day runnings of the 
business and somehow he still 

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managed to be a part time carer 
for Carol. 

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Alongside all of that, he would 
work through the day and then 

457
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,160
pop over for hours in the 
evening. 

458
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,320
All in all, the Baxters were 
just so grateful for Luke in 

459
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,840
their lives. 
Ellie had become very close with

460
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,280
him. 
They were like brother and 

461
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,680
sister. 
She would confide all of her 

462
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,680
worries in him and he had 
supported her, you know, through

463
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,720
her pregnancy. 
But then tragedy struck. 

464
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,280
Luke one day in 2021, gathered 
Carol, Stephen and Ellie round 

465
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,760
at the house, telling them that 
he had devastating news. 

466
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,880
He had just been diagnosed with 
bone marrow cancer. 

467
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,840
They'd caught it early, but he 
would need to have regular chemo

468
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,400
appointments and it would be a 
tough recovery journey ahead. 

469
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,480
But All in all, he was just 
really glad to have the support 

470
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:44,120
of his chosen family around him.
Luke's own home life hadn't been

471
00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:46,400
the easiest. 
He'd lost his father very 

472
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,120
recently actually, to a long 
battle with cancer, which only 

473
00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:53,440
made him all the more terrified 
when he got his own diagnosis. 

474
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,160
The Baxters helped him to grieve
and process the loss of his 

475
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,640
father, just like any chosen 
family would. 

476
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,960
They felt like they owed Luke a 
lot for the way that he gave up 

477
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,040
so much of his free time to help
Carol, so they did the same for 

478
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,480
him when he needed it. 
They'd have him round and they 

479
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,400
would cook dinner for him often,
and they'd take him out for his 

480
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,440
birthday, and actually, he would
treat them in very similar ways.

481
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,280
On April 8th, 2023, it was 
around the time of Ellie's 

482
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,440
birthday, and Luke told her he 
wanted to treat her. 

483
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,320
He wanted to well not only treat
her, but her partner and her 

484
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,000
young son as well. 
He wanted to take them all out 

485
00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:33,360
for a birthday dinner for Ellie.
He would pay for everything. 

486
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:36,400
They just had to turn up and 
enjoy themselves. 

487
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,800
Carol and Stephen wouldn't be in
attendance because Carol really 

488
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,520
wasn't doing well at this stage 
and Stephen had to hang back and

489
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,080
care for her. 
But Ellie was so, so grateful 

490
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,640
for Luke wanting to do something
nice, not just for her, but for 

491
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,920
her little family. 
So that night they all went to 

492
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,880
Frankie and Benny's for dinner. 
They were having a great time 

493
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,080
until halfway through the meal, 
Ellie gets a call from her 

494
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,920
grandmother saying that she 
can't get a hold of Carol or 

495
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,600
Stephen. 
Ellie said that she actually 

496
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,480
hadn't been to see them that 
day, but when she had spoken 

497
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,920
with them earlier on in the 
week, they told her that they 

498
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,600
just wanted a quiet one this 
upcoming weekend. 

499
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,320
So actually, she wasn't shocked 
or really concerned that they 

500
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,280
hadn't answered their phone 
since they told people to 

501
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,360
essentially leave them alone for
the weekend. 

502
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,640
But when she came off the phone,
she told her partner and she 

503
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,560
told Luke about, you know, her 
grandma not being able to 

504
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,440
contact her parents. 
And they all seemed a bit 

505
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,200
concerned. 
So Luke suggested that maybe 

506
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,560
they should go and check in on 
them on their way home from 

507
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,960
dinner, but Ellie said no. 
She thought it was best to just 

508
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,200
not disturb them today if they 
did want a quiet one and instead

509
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,920
they could pop by tomorrow. 
They agreed on a middle ground. 

510
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,200
They would drive past Carolyn 
Stevens house on the way home 

511
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,760
just to check if everything 
seemed OK from the outside. 

512
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,360
And it did actually, the 
curtains were drawn, probably by

513
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,200
Steven, before he'd headed off 
to bed. 

514
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,080
So everyone just went home. 
They called it a night, but 

515
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,960
little did they know behind 
those drawn curtains an utter 

516
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,720
tragedy was unfolding. 
Now before we get into the most 

517
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,960
difficult part of this case, I 
want to take a moment to talk 

518
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,200
about a UK based charity called 
Hourglass who are dedicated to 

519
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,200
ending the abuse, harm and 
exploitation of older people. 

520
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,880
With more than 25 years of 
experience, Hourglass works to 

521
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,120
listen to, advise and support 
older adults and their families,

522
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,160
especially when vulnerability, 
dependency or control are 

523
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,640
involved. 
You will soon see how how this 

524
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,960
case demonstrates just how 
easily trust can be manipulated 

525
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,800
behind closed doors, and how 
exploitation doesn't always look

526
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,440
violent or obvious. 
Hourglass exists to protect 

527
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,520
older people, to raise 
awareness, and to make sure 

528
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,800
concerns are taken seriously 
before tragedy strikes. 

529
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,280
The charity's helpline is 
available 24/7 for anyone 

530
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,000
concerned about an older person,
and they have a free text number

531
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,680
as well. 
The link to their website is in 

532
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,840
the description below where you 
can access their services. 

533
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,840
Or if you're able, please 
consider donating to such a 

534
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,800
crucial cause. 
Elder abuse is often overlooked 

535
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,160
or it doesn't even pop into the 
minds of younger generations. 

536
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,760
But trust me, it is very 
prevalent and so many of us 

537
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,360
could become victims of such a 
thing one day. 

538
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,000
You can find the link to 
Hourglass as as well as our link

539
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,240
tree that we keep in the 
description of every single 

540
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,960
episode, where you can find a 
list of several important 

541
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,920
organizations, helplines, 
charities, should you need any 

542
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,320
level of help. 
You can count on that link tree 

543
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,160
being there every time. 
Now, back to the case. 

544
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,280
The day after Ellie's birthday 
meal was April 9th, 2023. 

545
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,120
She gets another call from her 
grandma who says she still can't

546
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:55,400
get a hold of Carolyn Steven and
she's worried and Ellie is as 

547
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,240
well now. 
So she hopped in the car with 

548
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,280
her husband and her young son 
and they drove to her parents 

549
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,920
house as quickly as they could. 
Immediately as they pulled up, 

550
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:09,200
Ellie got an awful gut feeling. 
The curtains were drawn exactly 

551
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,840
how they had been the night 
before. 

552
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,720
They hadn't been touched or 
moved and it was coming up on 

553
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,800
the middle of the day now and it
was unlike them to keep the 

554
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,760
curtains drawn when the sun was 
out. 

555
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,080
So Ellie gets out of the car and
she knocks on the front door. 

556
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,280
But there was no answer. 
She knocks and she knocks. 

557
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,280
She's calling for them through 
the door, but they don't come. 

558
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,080
She called Luke DeWitt to see if
he had seen or heard from them 

559
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,120
at all, but he didn't pick up 
the call. 

560
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,200
He was busy. 
So now Ellie is really panicking

561
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,240
and she's dealing with this 
situation essentially all on her

562
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,480
own. 
As time goes by, there are less 

563
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,720
and less reasonable explanations
for her parents. 

564
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,520
Radio silence. 
And like I said, she had that 

565
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,600
gut feeling. 
She just knew that something was

566
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,880
seriously wrong. 
And so she ran around the side 

567
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,880
of the the house to try and get 
a view through a different 

568
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,000
window, but nothing. 
So she keeps running around to 

569
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,080
the back of the house where her 
parents have this big 

570
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,120
Conservatory. 
It's all glass windows. 

571
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:09,160
And there she sees them. 
Carol and Stephen Baxter are 

572
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:15,280
sitting in their armchairs, side
by side, motionless, completely 

573
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,680
motionless, and not in a 
peaceful sleeping way. 

574
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:24,600
They are Grey mouths a gap. 
Ellie let's out a harrowing, 

575
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,000
guttural scream and it alerts 
her husband, who sprints around 

576
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,320
the back of the house to find 
her. 

577
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,200
She sees him and between Wales, 
she's screaming. 

578
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,840
They're dead. 
They're dead. 

579
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,640
In pure disbelief and trying to 
comfort his wife, Ellie's 

580
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,920
husband says that they're 
probably just sleeping, but she 

581
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,320
knows that they're not actually 
look at them, she yells to him. 

582
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,840
She knows that they're gone, but
she's still in desperate panic 

583
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,160
mode. 
She needs to get into the house 

584
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,560
to them, so she rushes to the 
lock box where they keep a spare

585
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,000
set of keys. 
She fumbles to unlock it, and 

586
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,920
when she gets it open, the key 
is gone. 

587
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,320
She can't make sense of what's 
happening. 

588
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,840
There are so many obstacles. 
She's confused, she's 

589
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,280
heartbroken, she's terrified 
this whole time. 

590
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,160
It feels like a sudden physical 
pain. 

591
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,280
She is literally immediately 
hurting. 

592
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,600
The desperation was so strong 
that she just had to try 

593
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,400
anything to get in there to her 
mom and dad. 

594
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,800
She ran into the garden and 
picked up the outdoor table and 

595
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,080
just hurled it towards the 
Conservatory windows trying to 

596
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,480
break the glass and it failed to
do any damage. 

597
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,920
So she begged for her husband to
try the same thing. 

598
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,640
They just needed to get in there
no matter what it took. 

599
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,520
This entire scene happens over 
the course of just a couple of 

600
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,720
minutes, and in that time, Ellie
gets out her phone and calls 999

601
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,680
between screams and sobs. 
She says that they just found 

602
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,600
her mom and dad motionless, 
locked inside of their house. 

603
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,720
The operator asks if they're 
breathing, and Ellie responds. 

604
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,000
They don't look like it. 
They're blue. 

605
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,480
I, I can't get to them, I can't 
open the door. 

606
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,520
Meanwhile, the commotion of 
these last few minutes had 

607
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,040
alerted A neighbor, who rushed 
around to them with a hammer in 

608
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,639
hand. 
Ellie's husband smashes their 

609
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:16,880
way into the Conservatory with 
it, and she runs straight over 

610
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,880
to her parents. 
They're cold and stiff. 

611
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,080
They've been dead for some time.
By now, practically the whole 

612
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,480
street of neighbors had gathered
around the house, aware that 

613
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,199
something awful had happened at 
the Baxter's residence. 

614
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:36,080
Among them was Luke de Witt. 
He only lived a couple of 

615
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,719
streets away, and once he 
realized which house all of this

616
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,440
commotion was coming from, he 
snapped into action. 

617
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,679
Coming to help his chosen 
family, he grabs the phone off 

618
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:48,560
of Ellie, who was hysterical and
struggling to speak properly 

619
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,920
with the operator. 
So Luke takes over the call and 

620
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:56,480
Oh my God, in the background you
can hear Ellie screaming out in 

621
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:59,600
anguish the whole entire time. 
And guys, I listened to the 

622
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,800
whole thing while I was 
researching this case, and it's 

623
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,560
not often that I do this, but I 
actually can't put you through 

624
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,080
hearing the whole thing. 
I've never heard anything so 

625
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:15,320
harrowing and just soul crushing
in all of my time covering true 

626
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,840
crime cases. 
It physically hurt me to hear 

627
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,840
Ellie in that much pain, so I 
can't even begin to imagine how 

628
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,680
much physical pain she must have
been in. 

629
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,400
With this realization. 
I am going to play you a short 

630
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,160
clip, but just know that the way
that she sounds in the 

631
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,960
background of this little 
snippet continued on for at 

632
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,960
least two whole minutes, 
unrelenting. 

633
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,560
Hi. 
I'm I'm Luke, I'm I'm afraid 

634
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,040
they're describing. 
I don't like. 

635
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,960
Are you with the patient now? 
They are there right? 

636
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,640
OK, you're saying there so just 
to confirm how many people are 

637
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,520
hurt? 
Sorry I can't hear you well as 

638
00:35:52,560 --> 00:36:03,960
many people require help just to
confirm to right so I need to 

639
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,000
come outside their daughter you 
can hear Yeah, that's absolutely

640
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,160
fun. 
So I'm organising help for you 

641
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,280
now. 
Just stay on the phone with me. 

642
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:16,560
So just to confirm. 
So yeah, I'm sorry I couldn't 

643
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,280
hear you inside. 
You can hear they're still 

644
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,240
specific this. 
Poor woman could not process 

645
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,080
what she was seeing. 
She couldn't even begin to 

646
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,320
metabolize the pain that she was
in. 

647
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,600
It's like she dissociated into a
state of pure terror and 

648
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,880
anguish. 
And all you want to do, hearing 

649
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,400
that in the background of that 
phone call is just fix it for 

650
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,920
her. 
Is is to help her, is to just 

651
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,680
hold her. 
It must have been so awful for 

652
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,760
those around her who loved her 
to feel simply incapable of 

653
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,040
helping or relieving her 
suffering in any way possible. 

654
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,200
It just broke my heart. 
It broke my heart completely. 

655
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,600
Moments later after that phone 
call, emergency services arrived

656
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,200
and confirmed that Stephen and 
Carol were deceased. 

657
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,800
As far as how they died, nothing
at all seemed suspicious. 

658
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,000
There were no signs of forced 
entry or a struggle. 

659
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,880
There were no visible injuries 
on either of them. 

660
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,640
I mean, they were both side by 
side in their armchairs. 

661
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,600
It looked like they had just 
peacefully fallen asleep next to

662
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,680
one another and just never woken
up. 

663
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,600
The only thing that seemed 
slightly off was that they had 

664
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:31,320
both died at the very same exact
time it seemed, which is 

665
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,440
unlikely I think we can all 
agree, unless it was the exact 

666
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,680
same thing that had caused both 
deaths at once. 

667
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:43,400
And right now the most likely 
cause was theorized to be carbon

668
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,040
monoxide poisoning. 
The silent killer. 

669
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,520
All it takes is a faulty gas 
pipe or a broken boiler for a 

670
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,040
household to have a carbon 
monoxide leak. 

671
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,880
It's known as the silent killer 
because it's odorless and it's 

672
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,200
very difficult to detect a 
carbon monoxide leak. 

673
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,760
There are very few symptoms of 
carbon monoxide poisoning once 

674
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,960
it starts happening to you. 
It's things like dizziness and 

675
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:11,200
headaches, feeling weak or 
confused, things that are often 

676
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,960
overlooked and missed since 
they're not loud and obvious 

677
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,160
like choking. 
You could even just put it down 

678
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,760
to like being a bit tired or off
it in a way. 

679
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,520
They hadn't fully confirmed yet 
whether or not it was carbon 

680
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,560
monoxide poisoning, but the 
police did officially tell the 

681
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,400
media that they didn't think 
that Carolyn Stevens deaths were

682
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,400
down to suspicious 
circumstances. 

683
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,880
At this point police were 
treating them as accidental. 

684
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,840
So now a carbon monoxide 
inspector was called in to do 

685
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,560
readings. 
The whole entire St. had to be 

686
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,520
evacuated just in case there was
a very serious leak. 

687
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,360
But it was very quickly 
concluded that everything was in

688
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,680
perfect working shape in that 
house. 

689
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:53,800
There was no evidence of ACO 
leak at all and this totally 

690
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,080
threw the police off. 
A carbon monoxide leak was like 

691
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:01,680
the only theory that they had. 
What else could it be if not the

692
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,360
silent killer? 
Since Carolyn Stevens bodies had

693
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,040
no visible signs that pointed to
any particular cause of death? 

694
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:13,320
There were so many, yet so few 
possibilities all at once. 

695
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,680
It was just so unlikely that the
two of them could have died 

696
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,720
simultaneously with absolutely 
no clues left behind. 

697
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:24,920
Police are thinking could this 
be some sort of suicide pact, A 

698
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,480
murder suicide even? 
But there were no packets of 

699
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,800
pills left out of the scene or 
anything like that. 

700
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,480
There was no note, so it seemed 
unlikely. 

701
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,480
And now detectives float the 
idea of third party involvement.

702
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,920
After all, the Baxter's were 
quite rich, They had a very 

703
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,520
successful business that turned 
over a lot of profit every year,

704
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,280
and maybe someone wanted a piece
of that. 

705
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,280
Their deaths being so sudden and
simultaneous was rather 

706
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,360
suspicious after all, Maybe a 
double murder could be the 

707
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,640
explanation. 
But all of these theories meant 

708
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,120
nothing before they could 
actually determine A cause of 

709
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,800
death, which would have to be 
done through autopsies and lots 

710
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,320
of tests. 
The family was informed that 

711
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,520
carbon monoxide wasn't to blame 
for the deaths after all, and 

712
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,400
detectives asked if they had any
idea of anything that could be 

713
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,240
the cause. 
And this is when they learn of 

714
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:21,240
Carol Baxter's severe brain fog 
and confusion that was gradually

715
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:23,360
becoming more and more dangerous
for her. 

716
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,920
They heard that she had poured 
bleach into her own kettle, that

717
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,360
she almost burnt the house down,
that they believe she actually 

718
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,920
swallowed a metal tack and it 
like got into her insides. 

719
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,160
She needed help getting it 
removed in the hospital. 

720
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,240
Things were getting really and 
truly dangerous. 

721
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,040
But above all else, they also 
heard that Carol would 

722
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:48,280
accidentally take her medication
multiple times a day, sometimes 

723
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,680
because she would forget that 
she had already taken it. 

724
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,520
Luke told them that several 
times he had found that Carol 

725
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,600
had almost overdosed herself on 
her own meds. 

726
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,800
He said that she would get 
confused and she would take the 

727
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,120
wrong ones at the wrong times. 
She would take the wrong 

728
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,600
amounts. 
And in fact, on the day that 

729
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,560
Ellie found her parents 
deceased, she can be heard on 

730
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,280
the police body Cam footage 
saying she's done something 

731
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,000
silly. 
I know she's done something 

732
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,280
silly. 
I've been trying to help her. 

733
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,040
So quickly, a secondary theory 
started to take shape. 

734
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:23,240
Maybe Carol had accidentally 
overdose just both herself and I

735
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:26,680
guess her husband too. 
Maybe she'd made them one of her

736
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:30,880
smoothie or shake concoctions 
and accidentally poisoned them 

737
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,520
both. 
So the police begin their 

738
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,320
investigation into these 
unexplained deaths while Stephen

739
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,880
and Carol's children, Harry and 
Ellie, along with their quote UN

740
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:46,000
quote adoptive son Luke, try to 
process this very sudden double 

741
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,160
loss. 
It was an incredibly heavy 

742
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:53,320
grief, one that Ellie had to 
power through in order to be a 

743
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,280
mother and to plan both of her 
parents funerals at the very 

744
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,240
same time. 
You can't even imagine, can you?

745
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:05,240
Like no one would ever expect to
lose both parents at the exact 

746
00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:07,600
same time. 
I know that she was an adult by 

747
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,600
now, but my God she was orphaned
so suddenly. 

748
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,480
But everyone was right there by 
her side supporting her through 

749
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,440
it, especially the close family 
friend Luke DeWitt. 

750
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,640
Of course he was equally as 
involved in their deaths as he 

751
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,280
was in their lives. 
But as they all begin to clear 

752
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,560
out the house, claiming family 
heirlooms and sorting through 

753
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,720
Carolyn Stevens belongings, 
something strange would appear. 

754
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,280
Something that threw this whole 
case into a completely new 

755
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,920
light. 
One day, Ellie was alone at the 

756
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,720
house, sifting through all of 
her parents official documents 

757
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:46,280
so that she could retroactively 
get their affairs in order. 

758
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:51,440
And as she opens their banking 
folders, a loose letter falls to

759
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,360
the ground. 
It's a typed up document, 

760
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,960
seemingly a will. 
It talked about what should 

761
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,360
happen in the event of both 
Carol and Stephen passing away. 

762
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,240
It outlined what they wanted to 
happen to the house, what they 

763
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:06,400
wanted to happen within their 
business. 

764
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,000
And this will seemed rather 
unofficial. 

765
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,400
To put it plainly, there was no 
handwritten signature on it. 

766
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,320
Also bearing in mind it had 
literally just fallen from some 

767
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,400
random folder, aren't Will and 
Testament type documents to be 

768
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,040
kept a bit more secure than 
that? 

769
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,920
I mean, Carol and Stephen did 
actually have formal official 

770
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,440
wills that had been drawn up and
stored by solicitor years prior 

771
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,080
to this. 
And those did have handwritten 

772
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,240
signatures. 
They were done with Carolyn 

773
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:36,600
Stephen in the room. 
But this loose document 

774
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,200
discovered by their daughter 
Ellie was quite different to 

775
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,560
what Carolyn Stephen had 
seemingly put into place years 

776
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,360
earlier, It read. 
Our daughter Ellie Baxter is to 

777
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,680
be the 100% shareholder and 
complete owner of their 

778
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,840
business, CAS Splash. 
There is no financial gain to 

779
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,120
this. 
Our dear friend Luke DeWitt is 

780
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,560
to be the director and person 
with significant control. 

781
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,920
All business making decisions 
are down to him apart from an 

782
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,480
agreed and respected wage. 
It went on to state that Ellie 

783
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,400
would one day get 5050 
directorship of the company with

784
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:18,200
Luke once she was of age, which 
in this document would be 30 

785
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,560
years old. 
At this stage, Ellie was in her 

786
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,960
early 20s, so she would have a 
while to wait before she could 

787
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,840
actually have much control over 
her own family's business. 

788
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,360
Mind you, she was a mother and 
she had a second child on the 

789
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,760
way, and what she's not capable 
enough to be a director of a 

790
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,080
business until her 30s? 
Ellie took this will to the 

791
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,280
authorities, but it was quickly 
determined to have no legal 

792
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,960
standing over the formal wills 
that Carolyn Stephen had signed 

793
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:49,000
off with their solicitors all 
the way back in September 2021. 

794
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:53,400
Prior to this tragedy in the 
official will, Carolyn Stephen 

795
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,920
had left all of their assets and
money to their children, and 

796
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,320
they designated all 
responsibility of the family 

797
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:04,320
business to Carol's sister and 
her husband, which is quite 

798
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,960
different to this piece of paper
that Ellie had just found laying

799
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,040
around in the house. 
The discovery of this makeshift 

800
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,760
will had, of course, immediately
piqued the interest of 

801
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,680
investigating officers. 
It wasn't legally binding, it 

802
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,800
wasn't signed, it had no witness
signatures. 

803
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,920
The solicitor in charge of the 
previous will had never been 

804
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:29,880
told about this one, and it only
spoke of two people, Ellie and 

805
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,240
Luke. 
Something was off. 

806
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,600
Ellie told police that there had
been arguments within her family

807
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,960
about the will in the past. 
In fact, this new document was 

808
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,800
pretty spot on in terms of the 
most recent conversations that 

809
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,960
she had had with her parents, 
according to her. 

810
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,360
But investigators were 
suspicious. 

811
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,560
It just seemed very convenient 
that a will would pop out of 

812
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,160
nowhere, you know? 
So investigators looked into the

813
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:00,200
finances of Kaz Splash, the Bath
Mac business and they discovered

814
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,760
that it was actually in debt of 
over over 60,000 lbs. 

815
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,960
It was failing and no one had 
actually been very aware of this

816
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,400
up until Carolyn Stevens deaths.
And in text from Carol's phone 

817
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,400
she had spoken about how she was
hesitant to leave the business 

818
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,720
operations to Ellie since she 
didn't consider her to be 

819
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:23,560
financially responsible. 
She was always borrowing money 

820
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,400
from people, and she didn't have
much involvement with the 

821
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,640
day-to-day runnings of CAS 
Splash anywhere. 

822
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,960
But now the new will leaves the 
whole business to just two 

823
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:38,560
people, Ellie Baxter and Luke 
DeWitt, these two best friends. 

824
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,400
If investigators weren't 
suspicious enough already with 

825
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,840
this alone, they were about to 
receive some news that made it 

826
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,360
all even worse. 
The results of Carolyn Stevens 

827
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,600
autopsies were in, and it 
confirmed these hadn't been 

828
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:58,040
accidental or natural deaths. 
Both of Ellie's parents had been

829
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,680
murdered. 
While Carol and Stevens bodies 

830
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,520
didn't initially lend any clues 
to their cause of death, their 

831
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,480
blood tests certainly did. 
Steven Baxter had died from a 

832
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,080
lethal dose of fentanyl in his 
system. 

833
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:17,640
Carol also had a lethal dose of 
fentanyl and a double fatal dose

834
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,920
of promethazine in her 
bloodstream. 

835
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,640
They had been poisoned. 
They had been drugged and 

836
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,760
overdosed. 
The original idea that Carol 

837
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,240
might have accidentally poisoned
them both seemed rather unlikely

838
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:34,280
now, because this was a huge, 
huge amount in their systems. 

839
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,280
It would have been one hell of 
an accident from her, and the 

840
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,000
idea that it could have been an 
intentional like suicide pact 

841
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,440
also didn't hold much weight. 
Now, mind you, there was no note

842
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:49,000
left behind and no indication in
the weeks before that this might

843
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,160
happen. 
Carol and Stephen were such 

844
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,440
loving parents that there's no 
way that they would just leave 

845
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,080
without warning or without 
saying goodbye. 

846
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,800
Besides, where would they have 
gotten a hold of that much 

847
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:05,120
fentanyl, accidentally or not? 
It's an extremely controlled 

848
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,600
Class A drug, at least here in 
the UK. 

849
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:11,000
It's not just floating around 
the way that like codeine or 

850
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,520
other prescription drugs are. 
Fentanyl records are tightly 

851
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,440
monitored. 
Pharmacies keep strict logs. 

852
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,320
You absolutely need a 
prescription or you're not going

853
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,200
anywhere near it. 
And then when it is prescribed, 

854
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,560
it'll most commonly come as like
a patch that you put on. 

855
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,800
It's used for severe cancer, 
pain or even end of life care, 

856
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,960
neither of which were things 
that Carol or Steven were 

857
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,360
experiencing. 
So now every other possibility 

858
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,160
other than third party 
involvement AKA murder was ruled

859
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,480
out. 
It was definitely a murder and 

860
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,520
now it was just a question of 
who could have done this to a 

861
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,480
sweet older couple. 
I mean, the why seemed pretty 

862
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,280
obvious. 
Carol and Stephen were 

863
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,680
millionaires thanks to their 
bathmat business. 

864
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,200
Yes, the business itself was 
found to be in recent debt, but 

865
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,920
would a killer have known that? 
Would they have cared as long as

866
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,800
they could get to the couple's 
personal finances, which were 

867
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,480
certainly fine. 
So police start looking into 

868
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,280
potential suspects and two 
people are sticking out like a 

869
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,080
sore thumb. 
The two people that would stand 

870
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,840
to gain from Carolyn Stevens 
deaths, given this unofficial 

871
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,760
will that just fallen from a 
folder. 

872
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,240
Family friend Luke DeWitt and 
the couple's own daughter, 

873
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,120
Ellie. 
The two of them were very, very 

874
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,520
close. 
Ellie had practically grown up 

875
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,640
knowing Luke. 
He was more than a family 

876
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,280
friend. 
He was family, just not 

877
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,200
biological. 
Police also knew that the two of

878
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,840
them had been hanging out the 
night before Carol and Stephen 

879
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,560
were found dead. 
They'd been out for Ellie's 

880
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,840
birthday meal, remember? 
It was all starting to paint a 

881
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:50,040
dark, dark picture. 
What if the two of them had come

882
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:54,440
together and planned the murder 
of Carol and Stephen so that 

883
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,760
they could take over the 
couple's finances and the 

884
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,360
business together? 
Police decided to go and arrest 

885
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,280
them both immediately at exactly
the same time, so if they were 

886
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,160
in cahoots, they wouldn't have 
time to warn the other or 

887
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,040
potentially destroy evidence. 
Police cars lined Ellie St. 

888
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,480
It's 7:00 AM and she's there 
tending to her child. 

889
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,200
She's heavily pregnant with her 
second when police storm into 

890
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:21,280
her house and tell that she is 
being arrested on suspicion of 

891
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,760
the murder of her own parents. 
She's handcuffed and taken to 

892
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,640
the station. 
Meanwhile, Luke DeWitt was out 

893
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,160
and about, and police do the 
exact same thing with him. 

894
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,200
He's cuffed and he's put into a 
car. 

895
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,080
And actually, he doesn't seem 
all that concerned, not in the 

896
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,680
way that Ellie does, anyway. 
He's actually quite friendly, 

897
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,520
curious, almost childlike. 
With the police officers. 

898
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,040
He asks them about the way that 
he's handcuffed. 

899
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,320
His wrists are crossed. 
And he says, does it always get 

900
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,560
put that way around? 
Because, you know, when you see 

901
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,040
it in TV shows, it's usually the
other way around. 

902
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,560
So they're explaining to him 
like a kid on an educational 

903
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,920
school trip, why he is 
handcuffed in a certain way. 

904
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,400
Mind you, he's accused of a 
double murder. 

905
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,240
Anyway, they get the two of them
to the station and they put them

906
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:10,280
into their own holding cells. 
Now they're in custody. 

907
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,400
Ellie soon overhears Luke's 
voice as he's speaking with the 

908
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,520
police, and now she knows that 
she's not alone here. 

909
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,000
Are they both being suspected 
right now? 

910
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,560
Neither of them knew what police
were theorizing, but she did 

911
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,200
speak to one of the officers 
about Luke. 

912
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,320
She said be nice to him. 
He's not this type of person. 

913
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:30,760
You've got to be gentle with 
him. 

914
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,720
She really cared for him. 
The two of them tried to talk 

915
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:37,480
through the walls of the holding
cells because they were 

916
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,920
confused. 
They couldn't make sense of why 

917
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,040
they were both there and why 
they were both being accused. 

918
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,760
Quickly, the officers snap at 
them not to speak to one 

919
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,200
another. 
They're under strict supervision

920
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,560
now. 
Both of them are in and out of 

921
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,320
intense interrogation and 
questioning sessions that 

922
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,520
spanned hours. 
Let me remind you, Ellie Baxter 

923
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,400
is heavily pregnant, just like 
she had been when she made the 

924
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,960
harrowing discovery of both of 
her parents dead bodies. 

925
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,680
This is a lot of stress for a 
pregnant woman to be under. 

926
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,920
She'd even suffered a bleed when
she first found her parents 

927
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,680
dead. 
So being accused of the murders 

928
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,680
was another layer of dangerous 
stress for a pregnant woman and 

929
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,360
her baby. 
Both Ellie and Luke's electronic

930
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,520
devices were seized and 
searched. 

931
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,640
Nothing of interest was found on
Ellie's phone. 

932
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,240
There were no suspicious texts 
or Google searches. 

933
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,200
In fact, everything that they 
did find on there aligned with 

934
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,120
what she had told the police so 
far. 

935
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,200
Luke's phone, however, couldn't 
be more different. 

936
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:41,120
They access his e-mail app, and 
they spot that he's not actually

937
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:45,400
logged into his own account. 
Instead, it's logged into a new 

938
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,440
key character that police hadn't
encountered yet. 

939
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,640
But we have. 
The e-mail that Luke was 

940
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:58,280
operating from was 
andrea.boden@doctor.com and now 

941
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,480
everything was about to unravel.
In fact, finding this e-mail 

942
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,560
account started to make a lot of
sense to the investigation team,

943
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,400
because the more they were 
getting to know Luke, the more 

944
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,280
suspicious he became when they'd
arrested him. 

945
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,600
By now, it was three months 
after the murders. 

946
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,360
He was taken back to the police 
station where his bag was 

947
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:20,240
searched, and this motherfucker 
was just carrying around 

948
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,880
fentanyl patches. 
He was in possession of the very

949
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,560
drug that had been used to 
overdose and poison Carol and 

950
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,040
Stephen Baxter. 
He tried to explain it away. 

951
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,040
He tried to tell the police that
they were actually his granddads

952
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,080
who had recently died. 
And of course, granddad wasn't 

953
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,280
going to be using these very 
addictive, strong, controlled 

954
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,680
substances anymore. 
So he claimed that he was taking

955
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,760
it all back to the pharmacy to 
be properly logged and disposed 

956
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,960
of. 
Of course, police don't believe 

957
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,440
a word he's saying. 
This is the equivalent of 

958
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,120
someone being caught for a 
stabbing and still having the 

959
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,600
knife in their bag three months 
later. 

960
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,520
In his further interrogations, 
they're grilling him now not 

961
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,800
only about the case at hand but 
about how these drugs are in his

962
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,160
possession. 
One of the officers says to him,

963
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,760
my understanding is that earlier
today, upon opening a white 

964
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:13,120
Tesco carrier bag containing 
medication, you, Luke said that 

965
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,600
is my bag, my granddad's stuff. 
He died a few weeks ago. 

966
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,600
I was meant to return them to 
the pharmacy. 

967
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,320
Did you say that? 
Luke turns to the officer and 

968
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:26,280
says, no, he did not say that. 
Mind you, this is a very 

969
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,360
officially recorded quote that 
has just been read to him word 

970
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,680
for word from, you know, camera 
recordings. 

971
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,400
But he's now going to try and 
correct the officer and say that

972
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,400
he never said that. 
Luke said no, no, no, it's, it's

973
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,960
not his granddad's meds. 
He said it was actually his 

974
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:45,520
dad's meds, his dad who died two
years ago. 

975
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,520
The rest of his story says the 
same, that he was taking them 

976
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,400
back to the pharmacy to be 
disposed of, but now that he had

977
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:56,480
switched who the meds belonged 
to, it seemed weird to wait two 

978
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,840
whole years to dispose of it. 
Now at this point, I think he 

979
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,800
clocked that he's seeming more 
and more suspicious because he 

980
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,920
starts stumbling over his words.
He seems nervous as this 

981
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,840
interrogation is happening at 
the station. 

982
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,880
Another team of officers has 
been sent out to search his home

983
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:17,600
and there they found mountains 
of various drugs, syringes, 

984
00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:20,680
capsules that had been split in 
half and emptied out. 

985
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,800
They found a pestle and mortar 
that had remnants of crushed up 

986
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,640
drugs in it, and when these 
remnants were tested it was 

987
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:33,040
fentanyl and promethazine. 
Next to all of this lay a pile 

988
00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:38,160
of metal thumbtacks, pins from a
cork board, exactly like the 

989
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,320
metal tack that Carol had been 
believed to have accidentally 

990
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,360
swallowed all by herself in her 
confusion. 

991
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,960
Well, now it's seeming like she 
hadn't just picked up a pin and 

992
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,280
swallowed it. 
Maybe she had been fed it in a 

993
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:55,800
capsule, one that had been split
open and emptied so that she 

994
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,680
would believe that she was 
actually just taking her 

995
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,440
required medication until the 
abdominal pain began. 

996
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,680
Had Luke actually done that to 
her? 

997
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:08,200
This man that had cared and 
helped this couple for years? 

998
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:12,640
Had he been plotting against 
them this whole entire time? 

999
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,520
Poisoning them, slipping them, 
different drugs and unedible 

1000
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:20,000
things? 
How long had he been trying to 

1001
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,960
kill them? 
But the meds weren't the only 

1002
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,080
suspicious thing found in Luke 
De Witt's home. 

1003
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:28,440
Investigating officers recovered
18 mobile phones. 

1004
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,720
It was burner phone City in 
there. 

1005
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,480
Plus 10 laptops. 
Like, first of all, who has that

1006
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,520
kind of money? 
Secondly, what one individual 

1007
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:43,200
could possibly need 10 laptops? 
Unless, of course, they were 

1008
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,680
trying to be way more than just 
one individual. 

1009
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,560
Each device was looked into and 
there was that much to go 

1010
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:53,200
through that it actually took 
the team five whole months. 

1011
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,920
And it very quickly became clear
that there were several more 

1012
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:01,040
characters at play in this 
twisted web of deceit. 

1013
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,400
Dr. Andrea Boden was, of course,
one of these characters. 

1014
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,600
Now, don't get me wrong, she was
actually a real person. 

1015
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,520
Dr. Andrea Boden does exist. 
She's a real experienced 

1016
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:15,880
endocrinologist from Florida. 
But the real Andrea had not been

1017
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,960
the one in communication with 
the Baxters. 

1018
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,840
She was not the one sending 
these emails and giving all 

1019
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,400
these bullshit rules and 
instructions to Carol. 

1020
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,200
The Baxter family had briefly 
been in touch with the real 

1021
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,600
doctor, but they didn't end up 
working together. 

1022
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,880
That was until a new e-mail 
popped up in their inbox 

1023
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,840
claiming to be Doctor Borden 
back to help them. 

1024
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:41,400
Of course, from that point, it 
was Luke DeWitt pretending to be

1025
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:45,680
her. 
He spent so much time and energy

1026
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,440
emailing back and forth with the
Baxters all day, every day. 

1027
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:53,240
Sometimes, like I said, upwards 
of 100 times in a day. 

1028
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:57,160
A lot of thought had gone into 
this horrific deceit. 

1029
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,680
He had emailed pretending to be 
the doctor, saying things like 

1030
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,960
I've sent Luke the instructions,
take a turmeric shot. 

1031
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:05,960
I'm sure Luke will help make 
this up for you. 

1032
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,080
You have to change the way that 
you live. 

1033
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:12,000
It's that simple. 
Follow the rules and you will be

1034
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,120
well. 
He was relentless in his 

1035
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,800
instructions and aggressive too.
According to Ellie, Luke was 

1036
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,800
referred to by their family as 
the mixologist because he would 

1037
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,840
prepare Carol's various shots 
and vitamin waters and shakes 

1038
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,880
and smoothies and pill pots with
all of her medication ready for 

1039
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,120
her. 
And it seems that somewhere 

1040
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:36,000
along the way he had begun 
poisoning Carol, giving her 

1041
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,720
different meds than what she 
needed, or incorrect doses 

1042
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,480
getting higher and higher 
without anyone noticing. 

1043
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,560
Sometimes he would make up his 
own pills at home to give to 

1044
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,240
her. 
He would crush things up in his 

1045
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,920
pestle and mortar and fill these
empty capsules with whatever 

1046
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:53,440
shit he wanted to feed her that 
day. 

1047
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:57,120
And no one ever clocked a thing,
because why would they? 

1048
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,800
This man acted like a loving 
member of the family. 

1049
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:04,840
He gave up so much of his free 
time and his energy to simply 

1050
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,080
care for Carol. 
Or at least that's what it 

1051
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,480
seemed. 
No one thought that he had 

1052
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,840
anything to gain from this. 
They thought that he was so 

1053
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:17,800
selfless, but the whole time he 
had been getting some sick kick 

1054
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:21,680
out of abusing and poisoning 
this sweet older lady. 

1055
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,160
Maybe he always knew that it was
leading to him killing her. 

1056
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,520
Or maybe he was just getting 
satisfaction from doing it 

1057
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:30,360
secretly. 
Simple as. 

1058
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,160
And what's even more chilling is
what the investigation team 

1059
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:38,160
heard in voice memos on his 
seized devices. 

1060
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:44,240
Luke was practicing voices, 
female high pitched voices, 

1061
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,080
because it wasn't just Dr. 
Andrea Bowden that he was 

1062
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:51,000
pretending to be. 
It was the whole network that 

1063
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,680
Carol had been immersed in for 
the last year of her life. 

1064
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:59,320
The whole WhatsApp chat of 
fellow Hashimoto's patients, the

1065
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,920
support group of women just like
Carol, that she thought she had 

1066
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,680
found comfort in all of them. 
Will Luke do it? 

1067
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:08,440
Hi. 
Carol, it's Jenny. 

1068
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:13,640
It's Cheryl's sister, yes. 
So so nice to finally speak to 

1069
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,320
you after all these messages 
we've been doing. 

1070
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,480
He had. 
Made several WhatsApp accounts 

1071
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:22,880
on his several devices, all with
the sole purpose of duping Carol

1072
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,840
and making her believe in this 
whole world that he had created.

1073
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,600
Let's not forget he literally 
killed one of the women off. 

1074
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,800
Remember Carol got so close to 
meeting up with one of them and 

1075
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:38,000
then she no showed only for her 
husband, who we now know is 

1076
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:42,480
fake, to say that she had died 
of a stroke due to complications

1077
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:46,080
from her Hashimoto's. 
It's so twisted on so many 

1078
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,880
levels. 
Why did he have Carol drive out 

1079
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,800
for three hours when he knew 
that no one would be there to 

1080
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,200
meet her? 
It's clearly entertainment for 

1081
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:58,800
him, at least in part. 
Maybe it was to scare Carol into

1082
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,720
following his rules as Doctor 
Bowden more closely. 

1083
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:06,040
After all, Bowden did send that 
very unprofessional e-mail after

1084
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,760
the apparent death of the 
support group woman saying why 

1085
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:12,680
do some ladies not listen? 
Detectives are just astounded by

1086
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:16,480
these discoveries. 
It's all so sinister and so 

1087
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,680
bleak. 
This had been a huge, huge 

1088
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:24,600
operation, all to deceive and 
kill an innocent woman and her 

1089
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,920
husband. 
Stephen's death on almost seems 

1090
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:28,720
like collateral damage at this 
point. 

1091
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,760
It's harrowing on so many 
levels. 

1092
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,600
And now that detectives have all
of this information about Luke, 

1093
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,680
they're going back to that 
unofficial will, which is 

1094
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,400
absolutely determined to be fake
at this point. 

1095
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,200
And they clock that. 
It says when Carol and Stephen 

1096
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,800
pass, Ellie is then to become 
the person of significant 

1097
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,960
control in the business but 
cannot remove Luke of his 

1098
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,120
directorship. 
He was trying to find a 

1099
01:01:55,200 --> 01:02:00,120
foolproof way to keep his claws 
in this business because it 

1100
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,640
actually turns out Carol and 
Steven wanted to get rid of him.

1101
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,600
Not long before their deaths, 
Ellies parents had told her to 

1102
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,080
go and gather all the passwords 
and all the information that 

1103
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,640
they needed for their account 
and their banks so that they 

1104
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:16,000
could change it all and fire 
Luke DeWitt. 

1105
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,360
They'd actually had a weird 
feeling about him, and I'm sure 

1106
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:21,960
a lot of you guys did too. 
As I've been telling this story,

1107
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:25,240
you might be wondering why the 
hell is he so close to them and 

1108
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:29,600
what does he stand to gain from 
so much free labor? 

1109
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,840
Well, Carolyn Steven had thought
the same thing. 

1110
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,960
To be honest, Luke was quite 
clingy and obsessive. 

1111
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:40,440
Bear in mind, he wasn't related 
to them at all, but he was all 

1112
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,360
over them, more than their own 
kids even were. 

1113
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:47,000
He had very little going on in 
his life outside of the CAS 

1114
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,360
Splash business and Carolyn 
Stephen themselves. 

1115
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:54,160
Stephen had actually emailed 
Doctor Borden on one occasion, 

1116
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,360
obviously believing that she was
a real person, speaking about 

1117
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:01,400
how sometimes Luke overstays his
welcome and they needed a break 

1118
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:05,040
from his constant presence. 
Of course, that e-mail went 

1119
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:08,960
right through to Luke Dewitt's 
phone and he learned, possibly 

1120
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,880
for the first time, that Carol 
and Stephen were getting sick of

1121
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,400
him and that they were going to 
try and distance from him. 

1122
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,360
Maybe this e-mail shocked Luke 
into action. 

1123
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,560
Maybe he felt like if he didn't 
kill them soon, while they were 

1124
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,640
on still quite good terms, then 
he might lose his chance to take

1125
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:28,920
over the family business. 
So police now have a clear idea 

1126
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,760
of what must have happened, at 
least when it comes to Carole 

1127
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,360
death. 
Luke was in charge of her meds, 

1128
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,560
her shakes, her smoothies, her 
supplements. 

1129
01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:41,000
He had several opportunities day
in day out to poison her. 

1130
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:45,280
But but what about Steven? 
He didn't need any concoctions 

1131
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,840
or smoothies, so how had Luke 
managed to administer a lethal 

1132
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:52,360
dose of fentanyl to Steven 
without him noticing? 

1133
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:56,040
While searching Luke's digital 
devices, detectives come across 

1134
01:03:56,040 --> 01:04:00,040
another e-mail account logged in
as Doctor Alan Mandel. 

1135
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:04,320
This account was created just 
one week before the murders and 

1136
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,800
it reveals e-mail communications
in those final few days. 

1137
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:12,000
Doctor Mandel emails Carol about
a liver cleanse, it read. 

1138
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,240
Dear Carol, thank you for 
signing up for my couples liver 

1139
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:18,120
recovery program. 
It's the number one liver 

1140
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:21,320
healing clean that you can do. 
Do it with your partner. 

1141
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,680
You are both on this journey 
together. 

1142
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,520
One thing that we haven't spoken
about yet is that even though 

1143
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:30,360
Stephen Baxter was relatively 
fit and healthy, he was having 

1144
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,960
some problems with his liver. 
Luke DeWitt would have known 

1145
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,400
that. 
He would have known exactly what

1146
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,840
pressure point to target in 
order to bend Stephen to his 

1147
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:44,000
whim in order to get him to take
some horrid taste in concoction 

1148
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:47,200
made by him. 
Doctor Mandel stresses just how 

1149
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:51,120
important it is to follow his 
strict instructions to a tee. 

1150
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:55,320
Do not deviate from the plan. 
The emails even state if there 

1151
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,920
are any problems with 
understanding how to administer 

1152
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,120
the concoction. 
Get a friend to help. 

1153
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,640
And, of course, who's the friend
that Stephen and Carol 

1154
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:06,160
constantly have around them, who
is already used to helping with 

1155
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,840
the medication already? 
Luke DeWitt. 

1156
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:11,160
The night before Carol and 
Stephen died. 

1157
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:15,560
An e-mail from Doctor Mandel 
pops up at about 10:51 PM about 

1158
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,480
the cleanse that they were about
to embark on, it reads. 

1159
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:20,800
It's hard, but it's for the 
best. 

1160
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:24,840
You may feel lightheaded. 
Nothing to worry about, he was 

1161
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:29,000
preparing them for the symptoms 
of overdose and near death that 

1162
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:32,800
they were about to experience. 
Maybe he hoped that if he warned

1163
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,800
them in an e-mail then this 
would keep them calm enough to 

1164
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:39,640
not call 999 or call for help 
when they started feeling weird.

1165
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:43,200
And it seemed that it worked. 
They thought that they were 

1166
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:47,160
being cleansed and instead they 
were being killed. 

1167
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,640
All of this evidence on Luke's 
devices was more than enough for

1168
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,680
police to officially charge him 
with the murders of Carol and 

1169
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,440
Stephen Baxter. 
And by now they had officially 

1170
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,800
dropped Ellie as a suspect. 
Which I just have to take a 

1171
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:03,280
second for Ellie now because 
what a fucking awful, awful 

1172
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:06,320
experience. 
Not only did she discover her 

1173
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:11,080
own parents dead at the same 
time so suddenly she lost her 

1174
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:15,680
two closest relatives. 
She was the one to find, to see 

1175
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,840
them them like that. 
But then to be accused, 

1176
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:22,720
arrested, suspicion mounting 
against you, not just with the 

1177
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:26,400
police, but with the entire town
that you fucking live in. 

1178
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,960
It began changing people's 
opinions of her. 

1179
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,920
All of her relationships were 
thrown into question while she 

1180
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,720
was being accused this whole 
entire time as well. 

1181
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:38,600
She is pregnant. 
My God, that poor woman. 

1182
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:42,880
Most of us couldn't even imagine
going through such a complex and

1183
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:46,880
intense trauma all at once. 
I really just hope that she's 

1184
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:50,880
doing well now and living as 
peacefully as she possibly can. 

1185
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,920
Now the answers and justice are 
here. 

1186
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:58,800
Luke Dewitt's trial began in 
February 2024 and this fucking 

1187
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:02,960
guy was pleading not guilty 
despite the mountains of 

1188
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:06,200
evidence within his devices. 
I mean, it's almost like DeWitt 

1189
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:09,040
is shot for dimwit. 
And the way that he tried to 

1190
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:12,280
defend himself was absolutely 
wild as well. 

1191
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:16,400
The defense claimed that the yes
Luke did create get these false 

1192
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:17,800
personas. 
I mean they couldn't really 

1193
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,080
argue it. 
They said that the only reason 

1194
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:24,520
he did this was because it was 
all part of the plan made with 

1195
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:28,640
Steven Baxter. 
In fact it was Stevens idea. 

1196
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:33,360
He was basically the killer. 
Luke claimed that Stephen knew 

1197
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,440
he needed a way to get Carol to 
be on board with taking 

1198
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,680
medicated concoctions and this 
was the plan. 

1199
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:42,640
Fake doctors, fake advice, and 
maybe if it comes from someone 

1200
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,240
with authority, maybe she'll 
actually follow the advice. 

1201
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:48,960
His defence also argued that 
there was no direct evidence to 

1202
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:52,680
show that Luke actually 
administered the fatal drugs to 

1203
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:54,880
the couple. 
So they essentially tried to say

1204
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:58,840
that Stephen had poisoned both 
himself and his wife. 

1205
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:04,080
The whole argument was sick and 
and so easily seen through as 

1206
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,600
well. 
Everyone knew Stevens character,

1207
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:11,200
he loved his wife to bits. 
This would never have been his 

1208
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,320
idea. 
But when the prosecution laid 

1209
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:17,040
their evidence out it was clear 
for the jury to see Luke had 

1210
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:21,720
deliberately infiltrated Carol 
and Stevens life and over time 

1211
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:25,399
he had isolated them both. 
The prosecution also presented 

1212
01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:29,600
something that is so 
unbelievably chilling even after

1213
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,840
all of these horrific details. 
This one is just next level. 

1214
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,319
And it happened on the day that 
he killed them. 

1215
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:40,359
On the 7th of April 2023, Luke 
arrived at Carolyn Stevens house

1216
01:08:40,359 --> 01:08:44,560
at about 10:20 AM. 
He entered possibly carrying the

1217
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,240
fentanyl and promethazine that 
he would soon kill them with. 

1218
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:49,279
Or maybe it was already there at
the house, we don't know. 

1219
01:08:49,399 --> 01:08:53,640
He prepared the fatal doses, 
most likely disguised in a drink

1220
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:58,000
or some sort of health shot. 
And then before he leaves, he 

1221
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:03,240
sets up two cameras, one on the 
kitchen island and the other 

1222
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:07,279
across the room, capturing the 
couple from different angles. 

1223
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:12,000
And from these positions he can 
leave the house but still watch 

1224
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:17,040
them as they slowly die. 
It's not enough for him to just 

1225
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,840
kill them, he needed to witness 
it too. 

1226
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,920
After consuming the drugs, both 
Carol and Stephen fell 

1227
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:27,240
unconscious. 
Now they slumped forward in a 

1228
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:31,319
very unnatural way, given that 
the cause of their death was 

1229
01:09:31,319 --> 01:09:33,399
unnatural. 
So Luke's watching this through 

1230
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:36,359
the cameras and he notices that,
well, this is going to look 

1231
01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:38,240
suspicious. 
As soon as people find these 

1232
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,000
bodies and they're slumped over 
like that, they're not going to 

1233
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,960
look like they peacefully died 
in their sleep or something. 

1234
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:50,760
So he saw this and actually 
returned to the house and staged

1235
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:54,760
Carol and Stevens dead bodies to
look like they had just been 

1236
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:56,480
sleeping peacefully in their 
chairs. 

1237
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:01,760
At 8:00 PM CCTV captures Luke as
he leaves the house one final 

1238
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,960
time. 
We know from data taken from 

1239
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,920
Carol's pacemaker, a device that
was connected to her heart, that

1240
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:13,040
she died somewhere between 11:00
AM and 2:00 PM on the 8th of 

1241
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:16,640
April. 
That will have been almost 24 

1242
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,560
hours after the lethal dose was 
given to her. 

1243
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,720
We can only imagine that Stephen
died around the same time, or 

1244
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:26,680
possibly even later, since he 
didn't have the double lethal 

1245
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,320
dose of Promethazine in his 
bloodstream like she did. 

1246
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:33,120
And now that Luke knew that they
were dead, he got straight to 

1247
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,080
business. 
He drafted up that fake will 

1248
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,600
just one day after he killed 
them. 

1249
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:42,600
He also grabbed Carol's iPad and
opened up her banking app in 

1250
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:47,080
order to transfer £6000 from her
account to his own. 

1251
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:49,360
As if police were never going to
clock that. 

1252
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:52,360
And then, Oh my God, as if all 
of this wasn't bad enough, he 

1253
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,920
then looks up holidays to Disney
World Orlando. 

1254
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,920
You fucking joking? 
The day that he killed an 

1255
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:02,960
innocent couple and drained 
their banks, he's already 

1256
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,560
thinking about how he's going to
splash the money that he has 

1257
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:07,920
robbed from them. 
By the end of the trial, there 

1258
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:12,120
was hardly any question in it. 
Luke DeWitt was found guilty of 

1259
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:15,600
the double murders and he was 
sentenced to life in prison with

1260
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:19,760
a minimum of 37 years. 
Although the initial motivation 

1261
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,280
was believed to be financial, it
was soon theorized that the main

1262
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:28,160
motivation was actually purely 
just a desire to control others,

1263
01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:31,560
and detectives believe that if 
Luke hadn't been caught, he 

1264
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:33,240
would have gone on to kill 
again. 

1265
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:37,120
Luke was someone who had picked 
on them in their most vulnerable

1266
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:41,440
time and medically abused them 
until they couldn't escape him 

1267
01:11:41,480 --> 01:11:44,080
any longer. 
It's just harrowing. 

1268
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:47,280
But I think that's why it's so 
important to keep discussing 

1269
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,520
cases like this, spreading 
awareness in hopes that it can 

1270
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:54,840
help others spot the signs if 
someone is inserting themselves 

1271
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:58,280
into others lives in a similar 
way, especially when it comes to

1272
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:01,600
medication and healthcare. 
Now, as we come to the end of 

1273
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:05,280
this episode, I want to take one
last moment to remember Carol 

1274
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,120
and Stephen Baxter. 
They seemed like such a 

1275
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:12,120
wonderful couple who loved each 
other and loved everyone around 

1276
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:15,080
them so deeply. 
From all of us here at Outlaw 

1277
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:19,240
Podcast, we send our sincere 
condolences to the loved ones of

1278
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:23,840
Carol and Steven, and that is 
all we have time for today. 

1279
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,880
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1280
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:28,920
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01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,640
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1289
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,520
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1290
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:55,200
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1291
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,800
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1292
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:00,960
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1295
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:09,800
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1296
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,520
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1297
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:14,680
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1298
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,600
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1299
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:18,280
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