1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:04,320 Catalina Gutierrez, a 21 year old influencer from Argentina, 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:09,560 had no idea that she had a target on her back as she lived 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,200 her final days on this earth. She met with her friends, hung 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,880 out with her family, studied as an architect. 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,680 All the while her time was running out. 6 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,320 It wouldn't be long before somebody would betray her trust 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:27,000 in the worst way possible. In a matter of hours, people 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,480 began noticing her absence. Not just her family or her 9 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,400 friends, but her thousands of followers as well. 10 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,000 Everyone panicking, wondering what could have happened to her. 11 00:00:37,480 --> 00:00:40,840 By the end of the night, an abandoned car would be found, 12 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:46,280 and inside it, a horrifying scene that blew this case wide 13 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,800 open. Outlaw. 14 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,680 Hello and welcome to Outlaw Podcast. 15 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,600 I'm Ellen O'Neill and in today's episode, we're in Cordoba, 16 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:03,400 Argentina in 2024, where a manhunt has just begun after an 17 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,120 architecture student vanished into thin air. 18 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,160 But Catalina Gutierrez was not your ordinary student. 19 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:14,360 She actually had over 100,000 followers across her social 20 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:18,200 media pages at the time. And given her online presence 21 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,840 and the amount of people following her every move, well, 22 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:26,320 it was only adding to the fear. Had an obsessed follower with 23 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,880 ulterior motives stalked her down? 24 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,160 Had a jealous ex seen her happy in her new relationship and 25 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,240 wanted her all to himself? Or did the person responsible 26 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,040 for her disappearance sit somewhere in the middle of the 27 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,080 two? Now, before we begin, I just 28 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,680 want to give my usual disclaimer that I mean absolutely no harm 29 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,000 or disrespect to anyone that we talk about in today's case. 30 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:55,080 Our episodes are made with the utmost care to honor those who 31 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,040 lost their lives and respect the profound grief that their loved 32 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,680 ones enjoy. Given the nature of today's 33 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:05,600 episode, we'll be covering some very sensitive topics including 34 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:10,400 assault, stalking, murder, arson, discussion of taking ones 35 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,000 own life and gender based violence. 36 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,960 This episode is created with the hope to raise awareness to 37 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,000 inspire change and further Victim Support. 38 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,880 Viewer discretion is advised. Now it's time to dive into 39 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,120 today's case, The story of a very normal girl with quite an 40 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:32,120 extraordinary life that would end far too soon. 41 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,680 But she's so much more than the true crime case that now 42 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,200 surrounds her. So let me introduce you to the 43 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,800 beautiful, intelligent Catalina Gutierrez. 44 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,920 Catalina Gutierrez was born on February 7th, 2003 in Argentina. 45 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,800 She was the second daughter to parents Eleanora and Marcella. 46 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,640 And she had an older sister named Lucia who was like a built 47 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:58,640 in best friend for life. They were a very close, very 48 00:02:58,640 --> 00:03:01,800 happy family. They had a family dog that they 49 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,000 named Kitty, and maybe I'm picking up on a joke where there 50 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,480 isn't one, but the concept of a dog being called Kitty is really 51 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,440 funny to me. I love names like that. 52 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,400 I had a friend in school who named her tiny little hamster 53 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,840 Elephant, so it just tickled me when I first read about the dog 54 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,760 named Kitty. But my God did Catalina adore 55 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,800 this puppy. A girl and her first pet is like 56 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,960 one of the purest bonds that I think could ever exist. 57 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,240 And Catalina was an incredibly loving girl. 58 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,920 She cared for everyone and everything. 59 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:36,880 So flipping much and we're skipping ahead slightly here, 60 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,480 but eventually, when Kitty the dog passed away much later in 61 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,680 Catalina's life, she honored their bond and their time 62 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:48,600 together with a beautiful simple line work tattoo, which was just 63 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,360 gorgeous. The Gutierrez household was a 64 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,880 very musical one. Kata's dad played the guitar and 65 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,640 she'd always sing along with him since she was tiny. 66 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:02,000 She had a beautiful voice and she just loved to perform for 67 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,400 people. As she got older, Catalina 68 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,600 picked up a guitar herself. Her dad taught her to play, and 69 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,240 she began performing her own acoustic sets in bars and 70 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,680 restaurants. She was booked and busy. 71 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,920 She was just one those people who made things happen for 72 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:21,399 herself, even from a teenager. She had drive, she was hard 73 00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:25,160 working, she was ambitious. She knew that she was destined 74 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,200 for big things. She was very much inspired by 75 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,840 her father, who was a very successful, very well respected 76 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:34,360 architect. Since she was a little girl, she 77 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,920 wanted to be just like him. She would sit there next to him 78 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,880 for hours and hours, just sketching out buildings 79 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,400 alongside him as he worked. And eventually, when the time 80 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,400 came for her to go off to university, she would follow in 81 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,120 his footsteps, studying architecture at the age of 18. 82 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:55,520 She enrolled at the University of Cordoba in 2021 for a really 83 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,240 quite intense course in architecture. 84 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,080 It was a lot of late nights in the library, a lot of 85 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,320 dedication. But this is kind of what 86 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,520 Catalina was built for. You know, both her mum and dad 87 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,440 were grafters and she wanted to make them proud. 88 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,720 I mean, she already was making them proud purely down to the 89 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,600 fact that she was growing up to be a brilliant human being. 90 00:05:16,840 --> 00:05:21,760 Catalina was kind, respectful, confident, loving, reliable. 91 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,320 She really was everything that you would hope for your daughter 92 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,520 to grow up and be. She maintained her passion for 93 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,000 music throughout uni and of course when TikTok became a 94 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,480 thing later on in her life, she would post her singing videos on 95 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,040 there where she gained a pretty solid audience. 96 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,560 We're talking over 100K followers on Instagram. 97 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,360 I don't think she ever really intended on gaining that many 98 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,520 followers. They just kind of found her. 99 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,720 But people tuned in to watch her live her life and share her 100 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,960 passions, her music, the architecture that she would 101 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,320 visit and document just because they really liked her. 102 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,160 Catalina ended up getting a few different brand deals, she would 103 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,360 get things gifted from local companies and this was really 104 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,040 exciting because she'd managed to make her her passions and her 105 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,800 posting a little part time income to support her through 106 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,280 uni, literally just by posting what made her happy. 107 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,360 During this time, Catalina had been dating a boy from her 108 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,960 hometown, but their relationship ended towards the end of 2022, 109 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,120 when she would have been about 19 years old. 110 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,800 I mean, at that age, you're changing so much in such a short 111 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,200 space of time that relationships do tend to take a hit. 112 00:06:32,280 --> 00:06:35,920 You outgrow one another and instead you require someone 113 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,920 who's more suited for the past that you're heading down. 114 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,320 I mean, you don't require anyone, but you know what I 115 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,240 mean? If you want a partner, it's got 116 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,800 to be a bit more reliant to the newer version of you. 117 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,120 So then halfway through 2023, Kata would have been 20 years 118 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,840 old now when a new man entered her life. 119 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:57,160 Well, he wasn't exactly new. His name was Ezekiel Garcia, 120 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,600 known as Zaza. They'd met in uni and they'd 121 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:05,240 been friends this whole time, but Zaza had a huge crush on 122 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,920 Catalina practically from the moment that they met. 123 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,440 It was like a slow burn, yearning crush. 124 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,040 He was besotted by Miss Gutierrez, but obviously this 125 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,080 whole entire time she'd had a boyfriend. 126 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,560 But once that was no longer the case, Ezekiel shot his shot, 127 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,600 shooted his shot. They dated casually for a while 128 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:29,120 and by March 2024 Catalina was 21 years old and the two of them 129 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,360 were in a committed relationship. 130 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:36,720 Catalina had also gained this solid trio friend group there at 131 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,400 uni. It was Kata and a girl named 132 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,520 Ornella and a boy named Nestor and they were all on the same 133 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,280 architecture course so it was quite perfect. 134 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,640 They had so much in common, they totally understood each other. 135 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,080 They would help one another study, and then they would all 136 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,480 go out in the evenings to let off some steam. 137 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,160 Katta was originally the shy one in the group, but that didn't 138 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,160 last very long. She came out of her shell very 139 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,440 quickly with them. Or Nella was seemingly like the 140 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,520 mom of the group, she would offer rides to the others when 141 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,480 they needed it. And Nestor, I guess you could 142 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,840 say he was kind of like the glue, both for their little trio 143 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,840 but also the connector to their wider circle. 144 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,240 He was a social butterfly, he knew so many people and he was 145 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,520 always introducing his friends to one another. 146 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,320 Catalina was just so happy with this little life that she was 147 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,360 building for herself. Everything was going so well, 148 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,200 her studies, her social media, her relationships with her 149 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,080 friends and her boyfriend. She was just as close to her 150 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,120 family as she'd always been since she still lived at home 151 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,760 through university. It was all quite perfect. 152 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,400 But obviously things didn't stay so perfect for Catalina, 153 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,240 otherwise we wouldn't be here today telling her story. 154 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,920 And tragically, little did she know, her time on earth was 155 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,560 running out. In Argentina, they have an 156 00:08:58,560 --> 00:09:02,360 annual celebration called Dia del Amigo Day of Friends. 157 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,760 Friends Day. It's exactly what you'd imagine, 158 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,800 a day to celebrate your friendships. 159 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,400 It's on July 20th. But in 2024, Catalina and her 160 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,440 friends decided to celebrate early on July 17th. 161 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,920 So she spent the first half of the day just chilling out. 162 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,280 She didn't have much work or studying to do. 163 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,800 And so she really took advantage of that rare opportunity for 164 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,760 rest, knowing that the hangout out later was probably going to 165 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,680 take it out of there. So Catalina and the group had 166 00:09:28,680 --> 00:09:31,360 planned to go bowling that night at the local shopping mall. 167 00:09:31,560 --> 00:09:34,840 It was going to be her, Nestor and three other friends that 168 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,120 were part of her slightly wider circle. 169 00:09:37,560 --> 00:09:41,600 Around 9:00 PM, she asks her mom if she could borrow her car, and 170 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,000 off she goes. No one had any reason to think 171 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,720 that this might be the last time that Catalina Gutierrez was ever 172 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:53,360 seen or heard from. Only two hours later, just after 173 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,200 11:00 PM that night, Catalinas mum Eleanora gets a call from 174 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,160 Catas boyfriend Ezekiel. He says, look, I'm worried. 175 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,280 I've been calling Catalina for about an hour and she's not 176 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,720 answering. The last time that he had heard 177 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,320 from her was at 9:22 PM, when she'd sent him a voice note 178 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:12,640 basically just letting him know that she was about to go and 179 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,800 meet her friends. You know, just the usual update. 180 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,200 She even told him that she was going to be leaving her car near 181 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,920 his apartment to avoid the insane parking charges at the 182 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,000 mall. But since then, she'd gone radio 183 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,200 silent. And the fact that her boyfriend 184 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,920 picked up on how odd this was within just two hours is really 185 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,600 quite impressive. That is a man who knows his 186 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,600 partner. He knows her patterns. 187 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:39,960 He knows it's odd for her to not be in touch, or maybe he got a 188 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,960 bad feeling about something. Even though it had only been an 189 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:44,960 hour and a half since anyone had heard from her. 190 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,000 Everyone was starting to worry now because she wasn't picking 191 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,280 up her phone to anyone. Not her boyfriend, not her mum, 192 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,360 not her sister Lucia. And it was ringing. 193 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,680 It wasn't switched off, it wasn't out of battery like it 194 00:10:56,680 --> 00:10:58,880 was ringing all the way through to voicemail. 195 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,880 She just wasn't picking it up. So her family immediately get 196 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,840 Lucia to trace Catalina using her phones GPS location. 197 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,440 Luckily it was switched on, but it revealed that she wasn't 198 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,880 actually at the mall as per her plan. 199 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:17,200 For the last 35 minutes, Catalina had seemingly just been 200 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:21,280 at someones house and Lucia recognized the address as that 201 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,280 of Katta's best friend, Nestor. Obviously this was a huge 202 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,200 relief. She was with someone that she 203 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,680 trusted, in a safe place that she'd been many times before. 204 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,160 I mean, it was weird that she wasn't picking up her phone, but 205 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,520 maybe they were all watching a movie or something. 206 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,200 Maybe she'd left her phone in a different room in order to ease 207 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,320 their minds. Eleanora pulled up Nestor's 208 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,480 contact and began writing a text to him asking if Catalina was 209 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,440 there and if she was OK. But halfway through writing this 210 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,040 text, she thought it was just easy, easier to just call him 211 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,800 and get immediate answers. He picked up and Eleanora began 212 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,840 asking about Kata, but Nestor actually said that she wasn't 213 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,480 there. In fact, he had no idea where 214 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,280 she was. He said that they yeah, they 215 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,120 were meant to meet up at the bowling alley, but Catalina had 216 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,840 been a no show. She ghosted the rest of the 217 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,840 friend group and never turned up to the plans. 218 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,240 He reassured Eleonora that he was just as confused and 219 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,200 concerned about the situation. He'd been trying to get a hold 220 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:20,000 of her too, texting her for an hour prior when she failed to 221 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,640 turn up saying what's up girl? And after no reply to that, he 222 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,200 sent another text saying we're not doing anything. 223 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,760 As it approached 10:00 PM, an hour after their planned meeting 224 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:32,400 time, Nestor ended up texting another one of their friends 225 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,720 that they were supposed to meet saying dude it's cancelled. 226 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,120 I think too many people are upset. 227 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,320 To which the friend said, oh really? 228 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,160 But we were going to get together dude. 229 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,960 While Dia del Amigo wasn't exactly a public holiday, it was 230 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,720 still very widely celebrated, and the fact that everyone had 231 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,880 made plans and they'd fallen through last minute left a lot 232 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:56,040 of people disappointed, including Nestor himself. 10 233 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,400 minutes later, he sent another text to one of the groups 234 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,240 saying, I'm leaving, man. Katta stood me up. 235 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,520 And then he sent a voice note to another friend saying, hey, 236 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,440 dude, I'm really pissed off. I don't know what's up. 237 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,920 Like, no, she just didn't answer me. 238 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,440 So whatever, I'm used to it by now. 239 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,520 And then just after 10:00 PM, he calls Katta herself. 240 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,280 She doesn't pick up. And so he leaves her a voicemail 241 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:22,760 saying, hey, what's up, Katta? I just wanted to let you know 242 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:24,520 I'm home. I don't know what's going on 243 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,280 with you. I told the guy guys, it was 244 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,200 cancelled, you weren't coming anymore. 245 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,680 I'm not even going to show. I'm angry. 246 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:36,040 All this time, Catalina's phone GPS was still right by Nestor's 247 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,240 house. He said that this didn't make 248 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,800 any sense and he just couldn't explain it, considering he 249 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,400 hadn't seen her at all that night. 250 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,800 She hadn't come to pick him up or to come visit him, so maybe 251 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,480 it was some sort of glitch. Lucy had told him to just go 252 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,120 outside and check for her anyway. 253 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,640 Maybe she was parked up in her car outside, scared or upset 254 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,240 that she'd pissed off all her friends. 255 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:59,680 So Nestor goes outside and he says that he can't see Catalina 256 00:13:59,680 --> 00:14:03,240 or her car anywhere. He just couldn't explain why or 257 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,320 how her location was showing up at his house, but by now it 258 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:11,480 hadn't moved for over an hour. Nestor really wasn't much help 259 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,520 for the family and now that it was getting late, everyone was 260 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,320 getting desperate to know that Katta was safe. 261 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,720 Her sister called up another one of the friends that she was 262 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,440 supposed to meet up with for bowling that night, a girl named 263 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:26,760 Augustina, and everything she said matched up with Nestor that 264 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,520 Catalina had no showed for the plans. 265 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:32,480 None of them had seen or heard from her since the plans were 266 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,720 supposed to begin. It really was like a full 267 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,040 ghosting. None of them had any level of 268 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,840 info that the others didn't have, and by now it was reaching 269 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,760 midnight and everyone was worried sick. 270 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,680 Even though it had only been two hours since she'd last been 271 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,240 heard from. The circumstances under which 272 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,280 she had vanished were just not right. 273 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,200 There just didn't seem to be many reasonable explanations for 274 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,240 this. If not, one of her friends was 275 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,880 with her, if her phone was unaccounted for. 276 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:03,400 And actually by now texts had stopped delivering through to 277 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:07,000 her phone, so it had either died or been switched off. 278 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,880 And actually it seemed to be the latter, because at 11:46 PM, all 279 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,520 of a sudden text went through and her location updated. 280 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,000 It had been switched back on. Now it showed a totally 281 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,600 different address, one that no one was familiar with. 282 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,160 It was an area of town that Catalina didn't know very well. 283 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,600 She never really had any reason to go over there, so why would 284 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,400 she possibly be there right now, all alone at midnight? 285 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,760 Everything was getting weirder and scarier, so Catalina's 286 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,440 family wasted no time getting straight down to the police 287 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,120 station and reporting her as a missing person. 288 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,040 While they were there filling out the report, Catalina's phone 289 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:49,000 location updated once again, and now it was in a totally 290 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,680 different neighborhood, even further away from the previous 291 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,400 locations. So, I mean, luckily they were at 292 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,080 the police station now, so officers were immediately 293 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,760 dispatched to that exact location to check it out. 294 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,360 When they arrived, they found something. 295 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,320 Catalina's mum's car was parked right there, right where the 296 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,880 location said it would be, but it seemed empty and they 297 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,920 couldn't see Catalina around it. It was parked in an odd location 298 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:18,360 as well, like just off the road. And as they approached, things 299 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,880 got even weirder. A peek into the inside showed 300 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,400 clear signs of burning in the interior. 301 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,440 Someone had seemingly tried to set this car on fire, and after 302 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:33,760 that things went from weird and concerning to absolutely 303 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:37,080 devastating. A look in the back seat revealed 304 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,760 what looked to be a person laying across the seats, 305 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,880 completely motionless and also partially burned. 306 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,240 Police broke into the car as quickly as they could, and they 307 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,880 pulled the person out to see if CPR could be performed, but it 308 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,640 was too late. They'd been dead for a little 309 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,600 while. No amount of effort could bring 310 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,840 them back. And although police couldn't 311 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:03,520 confirm anything right now, in this moment, they were pretty 312 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,800 sure they knew exactly what they had just found. 313 00:17:05,839 --> 00:17:08,760 Back at the station, Eleanora was asked about what her 314 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,040 daughter was wearing that night and what she usually carried 315 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,520 with her. So her mom talked about her 316 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,560 black patent leather wallet that she would hold all of her bank 317 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:21,280 cards and her ID, and she said that her daughter had an iPhone 318 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,720 15 Pro with a pink Apple case. She always carried a geek bar 319 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,000 vape. She was wearing high top vans 320 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,760 when she left that day. All of these description points 321 00:17:32,120 --> 00:17:35,080 tragically lined up with the woman that they had just pulled 322 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,920 from the car, deceased and burned. 323 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,680 Right now they had no idea what had happened to her, but they 324 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,840 could officially confirm that this was Catalina Gutierrez, a 325 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:50,120 21 year old woman with big dreams and such a promising life 326 00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:52,960 ahead of her. She was dearly loved by everyone 327 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,920 that knew her. Gone far too soon. 328 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:59,240 Now before we continue with Catalina's story, I just want to 329 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,720 take a moment to talk about something that is sadly very, 330 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:06,200 very relevant to this case. In Argentina, there is a growing 331 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:10,200 movement called NI Una Menos, which translates to Not One 332 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,600 Woman Less. It began in 2015 after a series 333 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,560 of high profile femicides shocked the country, and it 334 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,040 quickly grew into a nationwide movement, one that was calling 335 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,600 for stronger protections for women and greater accountability 336 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,480 when it comes to gender based violence. 337 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,880 NI Una Menos has organized huge demonstrations across Argentina 338 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,920 and Latin America, raising awareness about the reality that 339 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:37,160 many women still face violence just for wanting independence, 340 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,560 OR for ending relationships, or for simply just living life on 341 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,040 their own terms. Catalina's story is of course 342 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,240 very deeply personal to her family and her friends and the 343 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,760 people that loved her, but it also sits within a much bigger 344 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,480 conversation about what's happening across Argentina about 345 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,880 violence against women. It's why movements like NI Una 346 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,400 Menos continue to push for change. 347 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,880 And since NI Una Menos is a movement and not strictly a 348 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,400 charity, they direct any forms of donation through the Global 349 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,600 Fund for Women, which we have linked down below in the 350 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,000 description of this episode. If you have the means, please do 351 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,520 consider donating to fund such a crucial cause. 352 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:22,480 Women are dying at the hands of men every day all over the world 353 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,360 and we need to be making as much noise about it as possible for 354 00:19:26,360 --> 00:19:30,480 our own safe and for that of our sisters, our mothers, aunties, 355 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,280 friends. Alongside the link to the Global 356 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,560 Fund for Women in the description, you'll also find 357 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,280 our link tree that has all of our usual links to help lines, 358 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,880 organizations and charities. So if you need any form of help, 359 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,000 hopefully you can find it in our link tree. 360 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,800 Or if you're looking to support some really incredible causes, 361 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,080 then you can find a directory right there. 362 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:55,000 And now let's pick back up where we left off in this case. 363 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,040 Catalina's family have just been informed only hours after they 364 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:03,160 last saw her that she has been found dead and burned in the 365 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,640 back of their own family car. And now it was time for police 366 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,240 to catch a killer. The case was very quickly 367 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,720 determined to be a homicide. I mean, what reasonable 368 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,160 explanation could there be for Catalina to be found burned in 369 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,920 the back seat of her own car? Someone else had clearly done 370 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,320 this to her. Forensic officers were called 371 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,760 out to the crime scene to analyse the burned car. 372 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:30,560 Mind you, it wasn't that burned. Clearly someone had tried to 373 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,000 have the whole thing engulfed in flames because there were traces 374 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:38,480 of alcohol all over the seats. They tried to put flammable fuel 375 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,720 in there. Whoever had lit the flame had 376 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,760 also tried their best to make the whole thing flammable enough 377 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,360 to destroy all of the evidence, including Catalina's body 378 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:49,960 inside. But the flames had seemingly 379 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,920 died out before they could cause too much damage. 380 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,640 Damage probably due to the fact that the windows of the car had 381 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,520 been left closed. Flames need oxygen to grow and 382 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,440 just to maintain, so that was probably what killed the fire 383 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,640 off. Despite the extra fuel that was 384 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,280 poured all over the seats, the only thing that really burned in 385 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,760 there was a blanket. I believe it was wrapped around 386 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,200 Catalina or maybe just used to cover her up. 387 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,720 And this is what had given her burns to her neck and her arms, 388 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,120 though it was determined that she was already dead when this 389 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:22,920 happened. As this search of the crime 390 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,720 scene continued, all of Catalina's loved ones had 391 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,880 gathered at the police station. Her family were of course 392 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,080 already there, but now they were joined by Catters boyfriend 393 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,240 Ezekiel and a few of her friends, including Nestor and 394 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,520 Augustina, who was supposed to be bowling with her that night. 395 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:43,120 Everyone was in pure disbelief, and it was showing up 396 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:47,440 differently in each person. Some were quieter, probably not 397 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:51,360 speechless and unable to process what they were going through. 398 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:56,400 Others were angry and loud, already feeling the sudden, very 399 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,040 unfair loss of such a huge part of their lives. 400 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,200 Especially Nestor, who had actually been angry at Catalina 401 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,000 just hours prior to this, believing that she had just 402 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,960 abandoned them and ghosted on plans. 403 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,160 Now he was learning that her silence was actually because she 404 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,840 had been murdered. He couldn't contain his anguish. 405 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,720 He was clutching his head, throwing himself against the 406 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,640 walls, screaming. Who was it? 407 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,520 It can't be. Who could do this to Katta? 408 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,760 Nestor and Catalina had always had a very, very close 409 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,640 relationship. It was honestly more of a 410 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,760 brother sister type bond than just a friendship. 411 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,560 He spent so much of his time with her then it must have felt 412 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,800 like losing a part of himself. He was trying to process the 413 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:44,520 unimaginable, but actually, as Catalina's loved ones watched 414 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,280 him carrying on and putting on this scene, they started to 415 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,800 wonder how authentic it actually was. 416 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,760 They'd never had much of a reason to doubt Nestor's 417 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,480 intentions with Catalina, because he seemed like quite a 418 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,240 respectful young man. He was friendly, he was familiar 419 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,840 to her parents, he visited her house often, he played with her 420 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,000 dog Kitty when she was still with them. 421 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,880 Her mum and dad would invite him round for dinner a lot, knowing 422 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,480 that he didn't have family in the area since he'd moved out 423 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,160 there for uni. He had this brother sister 424 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,680 dynamic with Catalina, and her parents treated it as such too. 425 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,240 They treated him like an honorary son, inviting him to 426 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,680 family get togethers and barbecues. 427 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,440 But while he and Catalina had indeed been very, very close, 428 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,320 their friendship wasn't exactly healthy. 429 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,800 Katta's own boyfriend, Ezekiel, had always had a funny feeling 430 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,520 about Nestor. He always spoke about Catalina 431 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,720 like she was his whole entire world, and he would occasionally 432 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,720 get jealous of her relationship with Ezekiel. 433 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,760 And hey, maybe that could be explained away as like an 434 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,800 awkward little crush that Nestor never wanted to tell anyone 435 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,120 about. But Ezekiel wasn't the only one 436 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,680 who had spotted some red flags. Cater's sister Lucia was well 437 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,520 aware of some occasions where Nestor had been quite possessive 438 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:06,480 and toxic with her sister. And it turns out Catalina hadn't 439 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,440 been the only female friend to experience this side of him. 440 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,600 Nestor seemingly had a pattern. The other girl in their trio 441 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,240 friend group Remember Ornella. She had been through all of this 442 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,840 with Nestor before he became almost like a controlling 443 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,160 boyfriend. Despite their relationship only 444 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,280 ever being platonic. Nothing was ever romantically 445 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,880 charged, but he would want to know where she was at all times. 446 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,240 He would want to be with her at all times. 447 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:37,680 He was smothering. If she missed a call from him or 448 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,520 took too long to respond to a text, he would fly off the 449 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,560 handle or start guilt tripping her. 450 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,840 It got to a point where he would was even tracking her location 451 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,480 when she didn't respond so that he could bring it up to her and 452 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,560 be like well you were just sat in class or you were just at 453 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,040 home. Insinuating that she has no 454 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,480 excuse to not be in constant contact with him, as if she 455 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,400 doesn't have her own life. On one occasion, Ornella had 456 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,880 left her phone at home and she was in class using her laptop to 457 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,560 respond to him instead. Clearly, he determined that she 458 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,240 was taking too long to text back and so he texted her having a go 459 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,360 and she explained to him that she didn't have her phone on her 460 00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:18,240 at first that day. She had actually since gone home 461 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,080 to collect it, but for the first half of the day she genuinely 462 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,600 didn't have her phone on her and that's why she was being slow to 463 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,160 respond. Well, Nestor immediately sent 464 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,040 her a screenshot of her phone's location, which obviously now 465 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,600 was with her in class, but it hadn't been along with a voice 466 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,600 note that was almost 2 minutes long just berating her. 467 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,840 He said don't lie to me if I see you in class with your cell 468 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,920 phone. I asked someone who's there with 469 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,000 you and they said yes, you're in the classroom with your cell 470 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,440 phone. Like is he the fucking police? 471 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,920 All of this for what? She doesn't owe him a text back, 472 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,640 especially when she's busy in class, but he felt really 473 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:01,240 entitled to the women around him and their time and their energy. 474 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,120 Eventually on, Ella's friends began clocking onto this toxic 475 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:07,680 friendship that she was in and they told her to get out. 476 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,240 Just because it wasn't her boyfriend didn't mean that this 477 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,720 wasn't becoming an abusive dynamic. 478 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,280 Friends can be possessive and abusive too, so by the time of 479 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,000 Catalina's murder and the night at the bowling alley, Ornella 480 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,200 was pretty distanced from the group, hence why she wasn't a 481 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,560 part of the bowling plans. But it wasn't just Ornella and 482 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,560 Catalina that he had treated this way. 483 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,600 There was a third young woman named Luna that he had seemingly 484 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,200 had the exact same dynamic with. And what's interesting about 485 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,960 these possessive friendships is that they truly were never 486 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,960 anything more than just that. Possessive friendships. 487 00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:48,800 Who knows, maybe Nestor did have unspoken crushes on these women, 488 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,240 but he never really made that known or obvious if it was the 489 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,000 case. He really was just an 490 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,240 overbearing friend, but he never approved of any of the men that 491 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,640 these female friends would date. No man was ever good enough for 492 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,960 them. He would even put the girls down 493 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,560 for their choices in men and in dating, telling them that they 494 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:13,040 just go for players or losers. So I mean, that could well have 495 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,960 been some romantic jealousy in that I think above anything 496 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,880 else, he really didn't see himself as worthy of the women 497 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,440 in his life. They were all too good for him. 498 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,400 So he tried to bring them down a peg, bring them down to his 499 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,920 level, insulting their life choices, their dating choices, 500 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,600 and keeping them close so that they couldn't be independent or 501 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,720 shine too bright. When he had first met Catalina, 502 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,040 he told one of his friends that he felt inferior to her, saying 503 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,640 look at all the followers she has, I'm nowhere near that. 504 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,040 Soon after they formed a friendship, Nestor's possessive 505 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,520 tendencies latched on to Catalina as a new target. 506 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,920 Now if she didn't respond quick enough, she would receive call 507 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,840 after call from him. There was 1 occasion on an 508 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,920 architecture trip where another student had asked Catalina if 509 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,680 they could sit next to one another on the bus, but she had 510 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,040 to politely turn them down, saying that Nestor had told her 511 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,720 if she didn't sit with him he would get angry. 512 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,640 So now after speaking with Catalina's loved ones and 513 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,560 hearing all of their less than positive opinions of her best 514 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:23,080 friend Nestor, he had officially become their number one suspect 515 00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:26,160 in her murder. Nestor Soto had been questioned 516 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,720 by the police at the very beginning of this case, 517 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,560 obviously, since he was supposed to be the last person to see 518 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,440 her. And you know, the fact that her 519 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,280 phone's GPS was pinging at his house for the first hour that 520 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,240 she was gone. And he told police exactly what 521 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,360 he had told Cater's mum, that she never showed up at his house 522 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,920 to pick him up. And he eventually made his own 523 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,160 way to the mall bowling alley. But when she still didn't show 524 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,360 up there, he just ended up going home on his own. 525 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,760 But now they had pulled him in for a secondary questioning. 526 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,160 Now that he was a suspect and his story was changing, it's 527 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,160 like he couldn't remember the exact details of what he told 528 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,960 them the first time. So they asked him how he had 529 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,880 gotten home from the mall when he decided to give up on the 530 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,640 bowling plans and he said a taxi, but he couldn't give them 531 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,200 the exact company. He couldn't remember if it was 532 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,440 Uber or Cabathai or something else. 533 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,800 He also couldn't give investigators a time that he had 534 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,120 arrived back home barely even like a rough estimate. 535 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,320 It became clear that his version of events just wasn't adding up, 536 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,280 and there were a lot of little moments like this where holes 537 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,240 began to appear in his story. The more he spoke, the less 538 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,760 reliable he seemed, and clearly Nestor knew that too. 539 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,440 He was getting nervous and quiet. 540 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,880 There were times where he would fall silent, clearly, I guess 541 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,920 trying to think of answers to the questions that they were 542 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,160 were asking him. And then under that pressure, 543 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,760 Nestor suddenly broke down. He looked at investigators and 544 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,760 admitted what had happened. I killed her. 545 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,600 I ruined Catalina's life. I ruined my life. 546 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,920 I ruined the lives of our families. 547 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,000 And I am very sorry. He went on to say that Catalina 548 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,200 had been the love of his life. Mind you, he had never expressed 549 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,440 any romantic feelings towards her whatsoever. 550 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,480 Nobody had any knowledge that he felt this way. 551 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,440 And I mean we we kind of could have guessed. 552 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,200 Katta's boyfriend felt a weird vibe from him and that level of 553 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,640 possession that he had over her really hinted to much more going 554 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,840 on beneath the surface than just a brother sister type 555 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,760 friendship. Obviously these feelings had 556 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,960 never been reciprocated by Catalina. 557 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,680 She was in a happy relationship with no romantic interest in 558 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,120 Nestor and he probably knew that full well, hence why he never 559 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,800 said anything or made a move. But maybe it had all gotten too 560 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:53,200 much for him, pretending to just be friends, unable to have the 561 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,520 one thing that he wanted more than anything. 562 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,440 He could tell that she was never going to leave Ezekiel for him, 563 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,680 so maybe he was thinking if he can't have her, no one can. 564 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,720 So now Nestor Soto's suspect questioning had turned into an 565 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,000 official confession and halfway through he told the police that 566 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,560 he would like to go and find Catalina's father, Marcelo. 567 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,120 When officers asked why, he said that her father should be the 568 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,520 one to kill him for what he had done to his daughter. 569 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,840 Not only is that batshit insane, but how incredibly misogynistic. 570 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,400 As if Catalina was a possession of Marcelo's that Nestor had 571 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,800 destroyed not a whole entire human being with her own life 572 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,760 that he so evilly stole. Why should this be dealt with 573 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,720 man to man rather than in a courthouse? 574 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,000 Would he be saying that same thing if he'd killed a son of 575 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,600 Marcelo's? Or is it because he only views 576 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,840 women as the extension of a man? Of course the at least didn't 577 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,880 let him go and find Marcello. Instead they made Nestor sit 578 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,640 there and run them through his version of events. 579 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,720 Now just a pre warning. This is a load of bullshit 580 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,120 actually. Even when he is trying to tell 581 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,920 the truth, Nestor Soto is never actually telling the full truth. 582 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,280 He told investigators that Catalina had arrived at his 583 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,920 house in what was meant to be a brief stop by just to pick him 584 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,600 up, and together they would drive to the bowling alley. 585 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,080 But before they could set off to the mall, Nestor said that the 586 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,560 two of them got into an argument. 587 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,600 He said that she was tense and cold. 588 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,000 I told her I was going to change my clothes and she said come on 589 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,840 asshole. On top of not inviting me, now I 590 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,560 have to wait. We don't really know what is 591 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,920 meant by not inviting me. Mind you, this only comes from 592 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,640 Nestor's version of events and we believe most of it is 593 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,280 horseshit, so it probably was never even said. 594 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,000 But if it was true, maybe Catalina hadn't been involved in 595 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,880 these bowling plans from the very start. 596 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,160 Who knows. Nestor told the investigators. 597 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,920 I answered her rudely and told her to leave. 598 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,760 That's when she got angry and said, Nesty, you can be such an 599 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,720 idiot and slapped me. He said that when Catalina 600 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,400 slapped him, he hit her back, to which she said, you idiot, you 601 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,240 hit me really hard. And from that point, a physical 602 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,400 fight apparently broke out. Nestor said that Catalina fell 603 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,360 backwards towards the kitchen and they both tumbled into the 604 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,800 washing machine. They were both on the floor 605 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,240 fighting. And he said that Catalina 606 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,800 squeezed my Adam's apple and I passed out. 607 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,000 Now, this is where things get weird because Nestor explained 608 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,240 to investigators that he and Catalina apparently had this 609 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,080 little game that they would play where she would grab his neck 610 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,120 and squeeze it. In fact, they would do it to 611 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,280 each other relatively often. What kind of game is that? 612 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,280 If that's true, that would be so incredibly bizarre. 613 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,320 But chances are he's lying through his teeth, isn't he? 614 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,920 He said that after he woke up from being passed out, I grabbed 615 00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:04,000 her hands, pulled them free from his neck and put her in a rear 616 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,360 naked chokehold. Now, this is a move that is 617 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,600 often done in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu or MMA. 618 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,440 It's quite brutal and it's meant to make the person pass out from 619 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,560 restricting the blood flow to their brain. 620 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,400 It's essentially A headlock with way more intensity and danger. 621 00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:24,600 It's also known as the lion killer, and Nestor even had the 622 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,120 cheek to tell investigators that Catalina herself had taught him 623 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,400 how to do it, which is not believed to be true at all. 624 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,239 But this is what he said that he did to her. 625 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,880 He continued to the investigators saying that after 626 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,080 he put her in this chokehold, it hit me when I let go, the first 627 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,760 thing I did was listen to see if she was still alive and I saw 628 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,280 that she wasn't. He added that he only realized 629 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,560 that she was dead when he tried to move her and she didn't 630 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,639 scream or make any noise. Nestor told investigators that 631 00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:59,840 he was just caught up in the heat of the moment of this 632 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,480 fight. The confrontation had spiraled 633 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,840 out of control and in that chaos and panic and he had killed her. 634 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,040 But then there he was, standing in his kitchen with the dead 635 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,080 body of the girl that he called his best friend, his sister. 636 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,800 He's now a murderer, and he knew that he had to start covering up 637 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,720 what he had just done. He said that he immediately 638 00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:26,040 changed his clothes because he was nervous and hot and sweaty. 639 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,120 And then he proceeded to move Catalina's body into the back 640 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,640 seat of her own car so that he could figure out where to take 641 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,680 her, where to dispose of her as if she wasn't a human being. 642 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,040 He drove the car out to where it was eventually found. 643 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,640 He doused the whole thing in alcohol. 644 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,960 And then he set it alight, hoping that he could incinerate 645 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,920 all the evidence of what he had just done, although, as we know, 646 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,880 that failed. He told the officers that after 647 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,000 he set the car on fire, he thought about taking his own 648 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,440 life. In fact, he said, I wanted to 649 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,960 kill myself. I didn't have the guts and while 650 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,160 I can maybe believe that part to be true, the 1st 75% of that 651 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,560 story seems like half truths and cover ups. 652 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,920 So in the trial section of this episode, we'll break down what 653 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,920 investigators actually believe happened that night when 654 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,240 Catalina arrived at his house. But as far as Nestor goes, just 655 00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:24,160 20 minutes into this questioning, police had heard 656 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,640 enough. He was placed in handcuffs and 657 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:30,040 taken into custody. So a date was set for Nestor 658 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,760 Sotos murder trial. And in the meantime, he was 659 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,440 being held in a prison ward without any form of bail being 660 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,880 set. During this time, he very 661 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,160 quickly became a target for the other inmates. 662 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,520 They taunted him and implied that they would attack him if 663 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,440 they could figure out which cell he was in. 664 00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:50,160 He reported this to the prison staff and was quickly shifted to 665 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,360 another ward with lower risk inmates. 666 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,440 All of this before he's even put on trial. 667 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,560 The proceedings would eventually begin on February 27th, 2025. 668 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,360 Nestor had been required to undergo a psychiatric evaluation 669 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,920 that revealed absolutely no underlying mental illness or 670 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,880 issues that could have led to the heinous acts that he 671 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,280 committed. He was deemed mentally sane, 672 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,080 fully aware of his actions, and completely fit to stand trial. 673 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,280 The prosecution even mentioned as part of their argument that 674 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,560 Nestor had grown up in a very happy, stable, loving 675 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,960 environment. There were very few pressure 676 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,880 points in his life that could have had such negative effects 677 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,840 on him. They did say, however, that a 678 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,880 narcissistic stance could be attributed to his personality. 679 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,960 Now, this is not to be confused with narcissistic personality 680 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,120 disorder. It was just kind of a trait that 681 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,440 they acknowledged in him. He was narcissistic just as a 682 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,320 person, and this would of course shape how he interacted with 683 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,520 others. Everything in his world revolved 684 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,640 around him, which I think gives even more context to his 685 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,760 possessiveness. When his various female friends 686 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,640 weren't answering his texts, he'd fly off the handle because 687 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,160 to him, he is the center of the universe. 688 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,360 He can't comprehend the fact that other people have whole 689 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,600 entire lives outside of him. Detectives believe believe that 690 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,480 by July 17th, the night of the murder, Nestors feelings for 691 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,440 Catalina, along with his entitlement and frustration over 692 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,160 not being able to have her, had all reached a climax. 693 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,760 So now let's discuss the version of events that the prosecution 694 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,360 presented to the court. They couldn't say for sure that 695 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,600 this is exactly what happened, but based on all of the evidence 696 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,480 that they have, it aligns much closer than the story that 697 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,480 Nestor had given them. At 9:35 PM, Catalina arrived at 698 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,120 Nestor's house in her mum's car. They believe a conversation may 699 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,480 have transpired between the two of them outside, with Nestor 700 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,320 somehow asking Catalina to come back into the house with him. 701 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,080 Maybe he told her that he wasn't fully ready yet. 702 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,280 It's believed that it only took 10 minutes or less for an 703 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,120 argument to break out between the two. 704 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,600 I mean, whether it was reciprocal or not, we don't 705 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,520 know. Was it actually an argument with 706 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,200 two sides, or was it Nestor going off at Catalina? 707 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,120 Of course, we can't possibly know what the topic of the 708 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,800 conflict was either, although it has been theorized that Nestor 709 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,960 could have told her how he truly felt about her and she rejected 710 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,360 him very quickly. The conflict went from verbal to 711 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:27,680 physical, and Nestor struck Catalina at least four times in 712 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,720 the head and the abdomen, it's believed just with his own 713 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:33,440 fists. One of the blows to her head had 714 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,160 immediately left her with a massive black eye, along with 715 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,920 several other bruises all over her temple, her cheek, her jaw. 716 00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:45,280 He hadn't just struck her a few times, he had violently beaten 717 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,440 her once. She was defenseless. 718 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:53,200 He tightly bound her hands with three meters of Gray tape so 719 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:54,600 that she couldn't get away from him. 720 00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:58,480 It's unclear if she had been rendered unconscious at this 721 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,200 point. I mean, hopefully she was. 722 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,920 Hopefully she wasn't aware of what was happening as Nestor 723 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,880 climbed on top of her and proceeded to strangle her to 724 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,640 death with a ligature. Her autopsy had revealed that 725 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,800 she had been strangled with something almost 3 centimeters 726 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,200 wide, which of course goes against Nestor's initial 727 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,600 confession where he said that he performed this lion killer 728 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,600 chokehold that he insisted that Catalina herself had taught him 729 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,680 to do. All of this evidence, like from 730 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:33,160 the autopsy and stuff, was very significant, improving Nestor's 731 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,760 version of events to be lies. The way that he had described 732 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,360 it, you know it like if he was being honest, then it could 733 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,880 actually have been a spur of the moment killing. 734 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,000 But now that the evidence proved that a ligature had been used, a 735 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,640 weapon essentially, that immediately shows us that a lot 736 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,640 more thought and time had gone into this murder. 737 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,520 He had at least a good few seconds where he was looking 738 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,440 around for something to strangle her with. 739 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,360 At least a good few seconds to come to his senses and realize 740 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,160 what he was doing to the woman that he called his best friend. 741 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,000 In fact, never mind finding a weapon to strangle her with, he 742 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,280 had had a similar brief break in the attack when he stopped to 743 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,560 find the tape to tie her up. There were so many opportunities 744 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,800 for him to stop himself, opportunities that he simply 745 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,920 didn't take. Because in that moment, he 746 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,520 wanted Catalina dead. He couldn't have her, and he 747 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,920 knew that. And if he couldn't be with her, 748 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:38,760 then she couldn't even be alive. This was a deliberate and fatal 749 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,480 expression of control and violence. 750 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,680 After he had committed the murder, Nestor proceeded to send 751 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,560 a bunch of texts and voice notes to their mutual friends about 752 00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:52,040 how Catalina had ghosted him and never shown up to their plans. 753 00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:55,880 He knew that he now had to play the part of a concerned friend 754 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,920 and give himself an alibi. And I think the most twisted 755 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,320 part of all of that is that as part of this concerned friend 756 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,920 role, he was angry at Catalina, knowing full well that he had 757 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,160 just murdered her. He was leaving her texts, her 758 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:12,960 voice notes being like, where are you? 759 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,160 Why did you stand us up? During the trial, Catalina's 760 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,240 mum, Eleanora took the stand to explain her family's dynamic 761 00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:23,680 with Nestor, and she told the court just how much they all 762 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,120 trusted him, especially her daughter. 763 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,920 To the point where on the night that Katta was found dead, Nasta 764 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:34,480 turned up at the police station seeking comfort from her family. 765 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,400 At first this didn't seem off since they treated him like I 766 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,000 said, like an honorary family member, but now they knew for 767 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,160 sure that he had killed her. It made them sick to their 768 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,480 stomachs that they had reassured him and hugged him the whole 769 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,640 entire night. He had even confided in Eleonora 770 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,760 that night. I'm getting really nervous 771 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,320 because the police are asking me so many questions. 772 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,760 Like there is a special place in hell for someone who can kill a 773 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,320 woman and then go to her mother to comfort and reassure him in 774 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,720 the aftermath. But actually, Eleanora had a bad 775 00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:14,520 feeling about him from that exact point. 776 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,720 She pulled her other daughter Lucia aside and told her. 777 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,040 I'm going to say something that might be wrong. 778 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:25,760 I suspect Nestor and Lucia was actually shocked at this and she 779 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,280 replied. No, Mum, how can you suspect 780 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,200 your friend you'll regret what you're saying for the rest of 781 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,360 your life? Like, I can't even stress to you 782 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,320 how unlikely Nestor's involvement seemed to everyone, 783 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,280 even to Kata's own family, but Eleanora just knew. 784 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,480 She just had a feeling. Mother's instinct, isn't it? 785 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,640 During his trial, several other witnesses took the stand to tell 786 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,400 different stories of moments where Nestor had gotten 787 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,880 frustrated or violent. Ex girlfriends and former 788 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,240 friends told of his domineering, possessive nature. 789 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,680 One girl even took the stand telling a story of a time that 790 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,000 she'd been at camp with Nestor and he had tried to force 791 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,720 himself onto her. It all clearly paints a very 792 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,400 dark picture of this man's patterns and how he views women. 793 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:18,160 Nestor had an obsessive need for control, and when paired with 794 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:23,080 his narcissistic tendencies and fragile emotional state, it had 795 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,640 created a dangerous personality. And when he felt like he was 796 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,880 being rejected, he decided to kill. 797 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,400 Nestor was convicted of aggravated homicide involving 798 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,440 gender based violence. This is what Argentina's legal 799 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,720 system recognizes as femicide, and for this he was sentenced to 800 00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:44,760 life imprisonment, the harshest penalty in Argentine law. 801 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,280 Catalinas murder wasn't an isolated act of violence. 802 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,720 It was the culmination of jealousy, psychological 803 00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:56,560 domination, and deliberate actions to conceal the crime. 804 00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,840 It was gender based violence. It was femicide. 805 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,280 The reason that this is important and likely why Nestor 806 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,760 lied about this being a spur of the moment argument, you know, 807 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:11,520 gone out of hand, is because in Argentina a homicide can get you 808 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,720 a long prison sentence but not the maximum penalty of life in 809 00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:18,080 prison. However, when the crime does 810 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,560 involve violence against a woman because of her gender or 811 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,960 including any other aggravating factors such as control, 812 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:29,000 jealousy, or attempts to conceal the ACT, it can be classed as 813 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,480 femicide and this This is where the killer can get life 814 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,480 imprisonment. In Catalinas case, prosecutors 815 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,480 successfully showed the pattern of psychological control and 816 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,000 possessiveness that characterized Nestors 817 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,760 relationship with her as well as with other women. 818 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,960 I arguing that his actions reflected A broader context of 819 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,720 gender based violence and the justice system must take that 820 00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:55,520 seriously. Catalina's story is just one 821 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,400 part of a deeply disturbing reality. 822 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,880 Violence against women and girls is not rare, it's an epidemic. 823 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:07,440 We cover so many of these cases because around the world, 10s of 824 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,960 thousands of women are intentionally killed every year, 825 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,720 and this is usually by the people closest to them. 826 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:19,520 Globally and an estimated 50,000 plus women and girls were killed 827 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,640 by intimate partners or family members in 2023 alone. 828 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,880 And in Argentina, femicides continue at extremely concerning 829 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,320 rates. A woman is killed because of her 830 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:37,760 gender roughly every 35 hours. Catalina case should remind us 831 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,160 that the most dangerous place for many women is not the 832 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,840 streets or around strangers, but in the very homes and 833 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,760 relationships where they should feel safest. 834 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,320 In order for this to change, we need to keep talking about these 835 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,800 cases, raising awareness and fighting for systemic change. 836 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,280 Talk to your brothers, talk to your sons, your friends, 837 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,080 especially if you're a man. We need allies since woman's 838 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,800 voices are far too often dismissed or spoken over. 839 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:11,320 Too often is inherent misogyny fobbed off as just banter or 840 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,520 boys being boys. But it's literally killing 841 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,720 women, killing your friends, your sisters, your mums. 842 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:22,880 We need collective action to prevent more lives from being 843 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,160 taken so unfairly. So as we come to the end of this 844 00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,720 episode, I want to take one last moment to remember Catalina 845 00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:33,680 Gutierrez for the beautiful girl that she was. 846 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:38,040 So full of love for her family, her friends, animals. 847 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,600 She was well on her way to not only live an incredible life as 848 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,720 a talented architect, but to touch so many lives through her 849 00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:49,480 relatable social media posting that had already attracted so 850 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,840 many young women who found comfort in Catalina. 851 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,000 She was so kind, showering her friends with compliments and 852 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,400 gifts and joy. She was someone who always put 853 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,440 others first. From all of us here at Outlaw 854 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,600 Podcast, we send our sincere condolences to the loved ones of 855 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:12,080 Catalina Gutierrez and that is all we have for today's case. 856 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,840 Thank you so much for tuning in to this episode of Outlaw 857 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,880 Podcast. If you're watching on YouTube, 858 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,000 please subscribe and please make sure you got the notification 859 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,720 bell switched on, by the way, because I know the uploads have 860 00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:28,120 been quite sporadic lately, I am about to embark on my first few 861 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,160 live podcast shows. So it's been a little bit hectic 862 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,440 in Team Outlaw lately. 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Make sure you're following us on 874 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,080 your podcast platform so that again, you don't miss our 875 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,320 episodes. And with all of that being said, 876 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,160 I will see you in the next episode. 877 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:11,760 Bye.