1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:04,320 At a party in 2019, a group of friends gathered around to play 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:08,080 a game of Truth or Dare. It started off innocent enough, 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,000 but as the questions started getting deeper and more 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:15,200 intrusive, some very dark secrets were spilled in this 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:23,080 game Today we're going to be talking about the Truth or Dare 6 00:00:23,080 --> 00:00:25,120 killer. Now before we get into it, I do 7 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,320 just want to give my usual disclaimer that I mean 8 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,200 absolutely no disrespect to anyone that I talk about in this 9 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,119 case. This case is for educational 10 00:00:32,119 --> 00:00:35,680 purposes and everything that I'm about to say is just information 11 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,280 that I have found on the Internet and I'm compiling into 12 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,280 one video. Just a couple of content 13 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:41,920 warnings before we get into this one. 14 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,800 We will be discussing themes of depression and anxiety, so if 15 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:47,680 that is something you feel like you don't want to watch right 16 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:49,840 now, I completely understand. Click out of the video. 17 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,640 I'll see when some other time hopefully please come back. 18 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,720 All that being said, let's get into the case. 19 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:59,720 So today's case takes place in 2018 in Haresham in Lancashire, 20 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,320 which is in the northwest of England and that is where 18 21 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,000 year old Tianan Downton lived. He was born on September 19, 22 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,160 2000 and raised in Lancashire by his mother and his stepfather. 23 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,640 His biological father hadn't been in the picture since Tianan 24 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,720 was very, very young. In fact, all he'd ever known was 25 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,600 his stepfather Chris, because Chris came into his life when he 26 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,200 he was very young. So TNN had grown up with Chris 27 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,200 as a father figure for well over a decade. 28 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,400 Like that was his dad, even though it was technically his 29 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,560 stepdad that was his dad. And he grew really close to 30 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,640 well, to Chris and all of his side of the family. 31 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,400 Chris's mother Mary was like his grandmother, you know, it was a 32 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,240 really nice integration of the families, it seemed. 33 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,440 It wasn't like they were pretending to be anything they 34 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,200 weren't. They still called each other 35 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,920 like stepdad and, you know, step, whatever. 36 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,200 They weren't pretending to be blood, but they were a family 37 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,440 unit now, and it was good. Everything seemed good. 38 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:00,560 But Tianan's life wouldn't be quite as smooth sailing as his 39 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,000 family had hoped. Because when he was 12 years 40 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,360 old, he started to struggle with his mental health. 41 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,160 It started off with just like a little bit of social anxiety. 42 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,360 He started withdrawing from social situations. 43 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,480 He didn't want to talk to people and stuff like that. 44 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,080 He just found a lot of things overwhelming, he couldn't talk 45 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,160 to like strangers or cashiers and stuff like that. 46 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:27,000 And very quickly this became quite debilitating for TNN. 47 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,040 He stopped seeing friends as much, he stopped doing the 48 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,720 things that he enjoyed, and before long he was even 49 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,360 struggling to go to school. But of course, school is a 50 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,440 requirement and he wasn't going in a lot of the time because of 51 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,600 his anxiety, so they needed to find out another way for him to 52 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,000 be able to get his education. TNN was eventually switched to 53 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,240 home schooling, which is not a common thing over here at all in 54 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,240 the UK. Like I actually don't know 55 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,920 anyone that was homeschooled. I know it's a thing elsewhere, 56 00:02:54,920 --> 00:02:56,760 but it's really not a thing over here. 57 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,480 I mean, kids are only homeschooled in the UK under 58 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,760 very specific circumstances like Tianan's. 59 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,000 If he cannot physically get into school, then he has to be 60 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,320 homeschooled. It's quite a big deal because 61 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:12,080 this is, this is a last resort for kids in the UK Pretty much 62 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,400 it's one of the last resort options because homeschooling, 63 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,800 especially when you're struggling with depression and 64 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,600 anxiety, being locked up in your house all day every day is only 65 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,520 going to make that worse. And everyone kind of knew that 66 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,160 they didn't really want TNN to do homeschooling, but that was 67 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,000 the only option really. And at this point in his life, 68 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,000 he wasn't just suffering with the anxiety anymore. 69 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,480 He now had depression alongside that. 70 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,400 It was made worse by his anxiety not letting him go out and see 71 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,360 his friends and do the things that he loved. 72 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,920 He then grew depressed as well as anxious and this made things 73 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,600 10 times worse. He was very hopeless and even at 74 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,880 times suicide idol and in fact it got so bad that he eventually 75 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,440 went to the doctors and got given some kind of psychiatric 76 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,320 health. He was referred to CAMS I 77 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,040 believe, which is the children and adult mental health services 78 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,240 here in the UK. It's on the NHS, it's free and 79 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,120 it's rubbish. It's really not that good. 80 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,400 I'm not saying that there aren't good therapists in the CAMS 81 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,600 mental health services, but more often than not, the experiences 82 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:21,360 that young people have with CAMS therapist is a -1 or one that is 83 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,400 not useful at the very least. I've read all sorts of 84 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,600 heartbreaking stories online about, you know, people sharing 85 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,880 their own experiences with Cams, and I've had my own terrible 86 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,800 experiences with them. I hated them for years. 87 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,880 Things as serious as people attempting suicide and then 88 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,680 their therapist saying that they're just a sensitive person. 89 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,000 Like I said, I don't doubt that there are good therapists within 90 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,160 the Cam services, but more often than not, children are left 91 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,840 feeling children and adolescents are left feeling either 92 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:54,040 disappointed or even worse than when they initially went in for 93 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,040 that therapy. So we can imagine that they 94 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,040 probably weren't that much help for TNN Danton. 95 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,680 And over the years, he really didn't make much progress. 96 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,720 So I think that is evidence that his therapy wasn't doing much. 97 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,280 And this went on for a few years with nothing changing. 98 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:12,440 TNN is still in the house all day every day, depressed and 99 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,520 anxious, and he's not making much progress. 100 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,080 However, after a few years of this, he finally built up the 101 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,560 courage to try and get himself back in the education system 102 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,880 again. He knew that when he became an 103 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,720 adult, he would be at a disadvantage compared to a lot 104 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,680 of his peers who will have all got their GCSE's in school. 105 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,440 They finished their schooling, they got their qualifications, 106 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:37,240 but TNN didn't and he didn't want to be behind everyone else 107 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,640 in life. Now he was about 16 years old, 108 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,640 he wanted to go to college. Now was the time that people 109 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,160 would be leaving school and going to college and he thought 110 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,400 that's the perfect time for me to jump back in. 111 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:51,800 The only problem is I don't think TNN got his GCSE's and you 112 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,720 need GCSE's to go to college, or at least you need GCSE's to go 113 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,680 to all the colleges that his friends were going to be going 114 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,400 to. However, there is a separate 115 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,320 type of college here in the UK called a further education 116 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,280 college that he would be able to go to. 117 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:09,000 A further education college doesn't require GCSE's on entry. 118 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,440 It's literally for anyone of any age pretty much that just wants 119 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,880 to give themselves some more employability. 120 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,160 They want to go and do a course that will look good on their CV 121 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:20,360 so that they can go and get a job. 122 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,200 It's not like he's doing like A levels or or anything like that. 123 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,920 He's just doing a course to put on his CV to make him look 124 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,400 better in jobs, you know? So he started at this further 125 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,640 education college named Kendall College and he was there for a 126 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,400 little while, but not for very long because he very quickly 127 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,800 dropped out. I couldn't find out exactly why 128 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,520 he left at first. First I assumed it was probably 129 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,640 because his anxiety got bad again and he couldn't be in 130 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,880 college. But then I learned that he 131 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,160 actually left Kendall College and joined a new one. 132 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,560 It wasn't like he was dropping out because he couldn't be in 133 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,000 college. It was like he didn't like 134 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,240 Kendall College so he went to a new one. 135 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,200 This time he went to Lancaster and Morecambe College, which is 136 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,120 another further education college. 137 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,560 But again, he wasn't there very long and he dropped out of there 138 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,480 too. So I don't know what was going 139 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,440 on here. I really couldn't find much 140 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,120 information about the this point in his life. 141 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,440 I do know that he was still struggling with his mental 142 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,880 health issues so that is likely quite a big factor in this I 143 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,120 suppose. But at this point in his life, 144 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,000 so now TNN's like an older teenager, 1617, he will have 145 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:28,600 been about 17 actually, and he is starting to act up and 146 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,640 misbehave and be in general just quite a bad kid. 147 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,840 It actually got so bad that I think he was kicked out of his 148 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,240 house by his mum or maybe he left or something like that. 149 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,520 Either way, they got in an argument and they didn't want to 150 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,760 live together anymore. So now he was 17 years old out 151 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,600 on the streets with nowhere to go. 152 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,760 But luckily for him, his step grandmother saved him. 94 year 153 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:56,160 old Mary Gregory was Tianan's stepfather's mother. 154 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,640 So his step grandmother and she didn't live too far away. 155 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:03,560 And she opened her doors to him and said, look, you can come and 156 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,160 stay with me for a while while you finish your education. 157 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,120 She got him a key cut for her house. 158 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:09,800 He was treated like an adult there. 159 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,600 He was treated more like A room rather than a child that's being 160 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,560 cared for and he loved this. After a while of living at 161 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,040 Mary's, I think Tianan and his mother made-up, but he didn't 162 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:24,360 move back home fully. He he kind of spent part time at 163 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,760 both houses. It was like he had two houses 164 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,320 and he could just pick which one he wanted to sleep at every 165 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,320 night. But this living situation didn't 166 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,280 last very long because just one year later, when Tianan was 18, 167 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:39,240 his step grandmother passed away, leaving him homeless once 168 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,919 again or leaving him to go back to his mother's house. 169 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:45,800 And Mary Gregory's death in itself was incredibly tragic. 170 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:47,640 So I'm going to tell you about that now. 171 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,840 It was on May 28th, 2018, and in the middle of the night, 172 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:56,280 residents of Levens Dr. were awoken to blood curdling screams 173 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,120 coming from outside. And when they all jumped up from 174 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,120 their beds and ran to their windows, they all saw one house 175 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,760 on that street engulfed in flames. 176 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,080 It was Mary Gregory's house. Her neighbors rang for the fire 177 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,960 brigade as quickly as they possibly could, knowing that she 178 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,480 was a vulnerable 94 year old woman that lived in that house 179 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,520 mostly by herself. They knew that she was inside 180 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,320 that house and she wouldn't be able to help herself out. 181 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,840 She needed help immediately. When firemen arrived, they 182 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,600 managed to kick the door down, and literally as soon as they 183 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,520 walked through the door, Mary was there, laying unconscious 184 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,040 underneath a table in the Conservatory. 185 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,480 It seemed as though she'd been trying to escape from from the 186 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:38,400 house. She was literally just feet away 187 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,320 from the door. She was almost there, but she 188 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,760 couldn't get past this table. It looked like she'd been trying 189 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,920 to crawl under it or something. It seemed that the smoke and all 190 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,280 the fumes had gotten to Mary before she could actually reach 191 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,440 the door, and so she'd passed out and she was in a really, 192 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,440 really bad way. The firefighters could already 193 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,200 tell literally just from looking at her. 194 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,000 As soon as they got in the house, they knew she needed help 195 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,480 now. This was life or death for Mary 196 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,840 Gregory, and so these firefighters pulled her out of 197 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,560 the building as quickly as they possibly could and got her 198 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:11,160 transported to the hospital. For the next three days, Mary 199 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,280 was hooked up to all kinds of machines in the hospital that 200 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:17,360 were monitoring her progress, but she really wasn't getting 201 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,760 any better. And then on June 1st, 2018, 202 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,400 after three days in the hospital, Mary Gregory's heart 203 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,640 stopped. There was nothing more that they 204 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,400 could do for her. And so she was pronounced dead 205 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,760 at 94 years old. Fire investigators were brought 206 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,160 into Mary Gregory's home to try and find out how this fire even 207 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,440 started in the 1st place, and they concluded that it was more 208 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,120 than likely an accident caused by Mary herself. 209 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,040 Mary was quite a big smoker, and it seemed that this fire could 210 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,520 have been started by a cigarette. 211 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,560 And she also had dementia. So a lot of the time she would 212 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:55,640 light a cigarette and forget she'd even lit it or she would 213 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,560 wouldn't put it out properly when she was done. 214 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,720 And they thought that maybe that was how this started. 215 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,800 Mary's family were absolutely heartbroken of her very tragic, 216 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,840 very sudden death. However, it did bring them all 217 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,080 together. Tianan went back to live with 218 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:14,040 his mum and his stepdad full time, which things still weren't 219 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,680 perfect, but they they were OK. You know, the family were back 220 00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:19,960 together again. They still argued, they still 221 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,640 fought quite a bit, but they got on with it. 222 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,400 But as the years went by, Tianan's mental health only got 223 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,680 worse and worse and worse. He wasn't getting any any decent 224 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:31,680 help. And so just being stuck in the 225 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:34,280 house all day every day was making it worse. 226 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,120 Now he was about 20 years old, and he was transferred to the 227 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:41,200 adult Mental Health services. He was no longer with CAMS. 228 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,120 He was matched up with a new counselor. 229 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,760 And it was in one particular therapy session with this 230 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,800 counselor that TNN said something quite concerning, but 231 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:51,720 caught this therapist quite off guard. 232 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:56,040 He told his therapist that one of his friends could send him to 233 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,360 prison with what he knew about Tianan. 234 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,720 So the therapist was quite confused, and they pushed for 235 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:06,200 Tianan to elaborate, to kind of explain what he meant by that. 236 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,360 And that was when Tianan proceeded to tell a story about 237 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:13,200 a party that he went to a year prior in 2019. 238 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,840 And it was at this party where Tianan got into a game of truth 239 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,920 or dare with a group of other teenagers. 240 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,640 And when it landed on TNN, he chose truth. 241 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,440 So one of the other kids had to ask him a question and he had to 242 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,520 tell the truth just in case you don't know what truth or dare 243 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,280 is, that's how it works. So 1 of Tianan friends turned to 244 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,840 him and asked him what his darkest secret was and he 245 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,680 thought on it for a second and then he turned to his friends 246 00:12:36,680 --> 00:12:40,200 and he said that his darkest secret, something that no one 247 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,240 knows about him, was that he'd killed someone. 248 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,480 The group were quiet for a second but then ultimately said 249 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,440 Nah I don't believe you, you're making this up. 250 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,720 And so Tianan said that he had to convince his friends that he 251 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,560 was telling the truth by telling them the whole story from start 252 00:12:55,560 --> 00:12:58,160 to finish. We'll get back to that story in 253 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,800 just a second because right now, Tianan is telling his therapist 254 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,640 that this party happened. And through this therapy 255 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,320 session, as he's trying to tell the therapist this party story, 256 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,320 he's he's telling it in riddles. He's being very cryptic with it. 257 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,080 I've told it in a much more clearer way to make it make 258 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,040 sense. But the therapist was so 259 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,200 confused listening to all of this, he couldn't piece together 260 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,000 everything that Tianan was trying to say. 261 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,520 So for clarification, the therapist said to Tianan, I'm 262 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,560 not really clear what you're saying, but I think think you're 263 00:13:26,560 --> 00:13:28,200 telling me you've killed someone. 264 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,160 And Tianan turned to him and mouthed, yes, following this 265 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,840 very concerning admission. OK, put yourself in this 266 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:40,480 therapist's shoes for a second. Your 20 year old client sat 267 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,680 opposite you, has just told you that they've committed murder 268 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,200 and that people know they've committed murder. 269 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,880 They told a lot of people at a party that they committed 270 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:50,240 murder. So what do you think this 271 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,080 therapist does with this information? 272 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,080 Do they call the police? Do they tell Tianan's parents? 273 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,720 Do they inform social services? None of the above, actually. 274 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,000 They just left it. What? 275 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,640 What do you mean? Surely there has to be something 276 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,400 more to that. There has to be. 277 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:09,600 Because I cannot believe that any, any therapist would hear 278 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,680 that from someone that is clearly mentally ill. 279 00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:15,360 And they'd just be like, OK, well, we'll see how it unfolds, 280 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:16,920 I suppose. What? 281 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,520 So yeah, the therapist didn't tell anyone. 282 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,040 TNN didn't tell anyone else. And so for the next week or two, 283 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,960 things just continued as if he'd never made that admission. 284 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,520 I can't believe it. But then Tianan's next 285 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,040 counseling session rolled around the week after. 286 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,640 And at this particular session, his stepfather Chris brought him 287 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,240 along. I think Tianan planned that 288 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,720 specifically, and you'll see why in a second, because in this 289 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,320 therapy session, Tianan was ready to go into more detail 290 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,680 about the admissions that he'd made last week. 291 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,680 He was about to tell his therapist and his stepfather 292 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,600 Chris about the time that he committed murder. 293 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,280 Tianan Danton turned to his therapist and his stepfather, 294 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,840 and he told them both that the death of his grandmother in that 295 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,880 house fire a year prior hadn't actually been that tragic or 296 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,640 unexpected to him because he was the one that started the fire. 297 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:12,360 He said that for some time before her death, he had been 298 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,640 growing a hatred towards his grandmother Mary. 299 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,840 They would argue quite a lot. She would always get on at him 300 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:22,640 for disrespecting her and her house, which is valid, you know, 301 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,120 she was a very tidy, clean house, proud woman. 302 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,000 And Tianan would come in her house and treat it with the most 303 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:31,760 disrespect. He would leave his mess 304 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,200 everywhere, he'd invite friends in, he'd break things, he'd eat 305 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,520 all the food, you know, he was just, he was a terror. 306 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,880 And this would cause a lot of arguments and Mary would try and 307 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:45,600 stick up for herself, but this would only make Tianan angry. 308 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,640 Bear in mind this is his 94 year old grandmother's house and he's 309 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,560 just bringing all his mates in. He's trashed in the place like, 310 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,680 and she's just got to wake up every day and tidy up after him. 311 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,240 So yeah, like I said, it caused a lot of arguments that only got 312 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,080 worse and worse over time until the last argument, that very 313 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:08,080 last argument before she died, it actually took place on the 314 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,560 day of the fire. In this last particular 315 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,240 argument, like I said, it was the worst one yet. 316 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:18,000 Mary told TNN that she despised him and that she was annoyed by 317 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,600 his presence. And I think that this set 318 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,240 something off inside Tianan Danton. 319 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,640 This was the switch that flipped in his brain. 320 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,720 He'd had enough of his grandmother, Mary Gregory. 321 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,760 He wanted her out of his life, and he had a plan on how he was 322 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,760 going to do that in the early hours of May 28th, 2018. 323 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,360 Tianan was actually 17 at the time. 324 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,360 He set off from his mother's house in the middle of the night 325 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,520 and walked all the way to his grandmother Mary's, using his 326 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,720 own key to her house because remember, he had access. 327 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,760 He left himself in and he started putting his plan in 328 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,680 place. Right now, Mary was asleep 329 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,040 upstairs in bed. She was sound asleep. 330 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:03,600 She didn't wake up once throughout this whole thing, and 331 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,160 Tianan took his time. He wanted to guarantee that 332 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,319 there was number way that his grandmother could make it out of 333 00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:15,359 that house alive, and so he put as many obstacles in her way as 334 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,680 he possibly could before he lit that fire. 335 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,920 He started by dismantling both of the smoke alarms. 336 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:23,920 Both of upstairs and downstairs in her house so that they 337 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,480 wouldn't detect the smoke, they wouldn't make a noise, they 338 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,560 wouldn't alert for help. He also disconnected her 339 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,560 telephone so that she wouldn't be able to call for help. 340 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,040 She wouldn't be able to call, you know, the fire brigade on 341 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,320 999. And he also pushed a table up 342 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,360 against the door in the Conservatory so that she 343 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:43,000 wouldn't be able to get to the door and leave. 344 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,680 And it worked because Mary was found just feet away from that 345 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:51,240 door laying under the table. That was the one obstacle that 346 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,480 that stopped her from getting out of that house alive. 347 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,440 Once TNN was done prepping the scene, dismantling everything, 348 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,120 making sure that there was number way she could get out, he 349 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:04,400 was ready to set the fire. There's conflicting reports on 350 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,200 where he started this fire, although I believe it was 351 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,880 downstairs in the living room, it wasn't in the bedroom where 352 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,400 Mary was. He lit a cigarette and then 353 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,800 threw it on the curtains and waited for it to catch fire. 354 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,760 And he stood there and watched as these flames grew up. 355 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:21,960 The curtains they started past, passing onto the other 356 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,040 furniture, and then he knew that he had to get out himself. 357 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:29,000 As the house filled up with smoke, Tianan turned and left. 358 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,880 He locked the door behind him, locking his 94 year old 359 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,680 grandmother inside. He then walked back home and 360 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,760 went to bed as if nothing happened. 361 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,560 He went on to say that he felt powerful at his grandmother's 362 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,280 funeral, knowing something that no one else in that room knew. 363 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:51,000 He knew why she'd really died. And that was how Tianan Danton 364 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,800 did his own grandmother and got away with it for years. 365 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,560 He would have probably gotten away with this forever had he 366 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:02,880 not wanted to brag about it at a party or in a therapy session. 367 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,880 If he'd have kept his mouth shut about this, how scary that he 368 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,240 could have actually gotten away with this forever. 369 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,880 No one would have ever known what kind of person he was. 370 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,800 Who knows what he could have gone on to do after that. 371 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:20,640 But yeah, in 2019, it was the first time he ever told anyone 372 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,920 about this. It was at that party in a game 373 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,520 of truth or dare. That was the first time he'd 374 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,280 ever admitted this to anyone. But all those friends thought he 375 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,040 was joking. They thought it was just some 376 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,000 dark, twisted joke that he was trying to tell. 377 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,720 And he's saying to them, like, no, guys, I'm. 378 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,240 I'm serious. Like, this actually happened. 379 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,720 So they start asking him questions, and they're like, 380 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,800 well, if you tell him the truth, then why did you do it? 381 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,240 Why would you kill him? Your own grandma? 382 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,240 But Tianan had an answer. He said that the reason he did 383 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,880 it was because his grandmother was really suffering with her 384 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,440 dementia at this point, and he didn't want her to suffer any 385 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,240 longer. He was making out like it was a 386 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,120 mercy killing, like he was doing her a favour. 387 00:19:56,120 --> 00:19:59,040 So these kids are still listening to him at this party 388 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,200 and they still don't believe him. 389 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,800 They still think he's lying or joking, but there's not much of 390 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,520 a joke there anymore. He's being very serious about 391 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,240 this. He's been very matter of fact. 392 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:10,760 And they're all starting to get a bit like. 393 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,840 So now this dark, twisted joke, well, what the kids thought was 394 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,320 a dark twisted joke, it was starting to get really serious 395 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,640 and really uncomfortable. I mean, everyone still thought 396 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,200 it was a joke. They just thought it, it was an 397 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,320 awkward joke and that TNN was taking it too far. 398 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,000 They didn't think that he was telling the truth still. 399 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,360 And so when they left that party that night, none of those other 400 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:37,880 teenagers ever told anyone. Not their parents, not the 401 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,120 police, probably not even any other kids. 402 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:42,560 And if they did tell any other kids than those kids didn't tell 403 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,240 anyone. But finally now Tianan Danton 404 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,440 had told two people that weren't going to let him get away with 405 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,120 this like his friends had, his therapist and his stepfather, 406 00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:54,040 Chris. Which I think this just shows 407 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:58,720 how twisted Tianan Danton really is, that he waited for a time 408 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:03,360 when his stepfather, the the son of his murder victim, was going 409 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:06,720 to be there so that he could tell him in person how he 410 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,600 murdered his mother. The therapist quickly called the 411 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,320 police, who later came out and arrested Tianan Downton at his 412 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,920 home that evening. They took him back to the police 413 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,760 station while a bunch of them searched his home, and they 414 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,920 seized anything that could possibly be of interest. 415 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,760 I mean, most of the things were like electronics, computers, 416 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,560 phones. They wanted to see what he'd 417 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,160 been searching and who he'd been talking to, what he'd been 418 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:30,920 saying. They were particularly 419 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,800 interested to look at Tianan search history over the past 420 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,680 couple of years. And let me tell you, it did not 421 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,480 disappoint. In June of 2018. 422 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,800 So literally less than a month after Mary Gregory's death, TNN 423 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,760 was Googling things like murderer filled with despair, I 424 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:52,000 want to cause evil urge to kill again, and I think I'm turning 425 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,080 into a serial killer. Please help. 426 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,320 So police confronted him with these searches in his 427 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,480 questioning. And they were like, explain 428 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,240 this. If you're not a murderer, 429 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,400 explain why you're Googling things like this. 430 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,840 And he was like, oh, well, that's just, you know, I've got 431 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,040 a big interest in true crime. It's just true crime, which like 432 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,720 me and me and you, my search history does not look anything 433 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:15,960 like that. I don't know about you, 434 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,600 especially that last one. It was the I'm turning into a 435 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,080 serial killer. Please help. 436 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,880 Like, come on. It's just so on the nose. 437 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,080 You can't write that. The fact that you said please 438 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,360 help. But that wasn't all that police 439 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:29,920 found on TNN's laptop and his phone and stuff. 440 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,880 They also found some typed up documents about how he wanted to 441 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,760 stalk and attack women. And they also found what seemed 442 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,880 to be a kill list, like a list of a bunch of names, and there 443 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,640 were quite a lot of names on there as well. 444 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,360 And that paired with his search history, police were just glad 445 00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:49,160 to have caught him when they did. 446 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,720 One of the big pieces of evidence that helped to prove 447 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,160 Tianan Danton's guilt in this case was actually something that 448 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,120 he left at the scene of the crime on the night that he 449 00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:01,640 committed this murder. Right before he made his way to 450 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,600 Mary's house that night, he'd actually stopped off at a petrol 451 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,560 station to buy himself some snacks. 452 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,800 He got himself some Tunnocks tea, cakes and a can of Coke. 453 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,760 And they have proof of this on CCTV, they've got proof of him 454 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,360 walking into the store, picking these things up, buying them and 455 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:18,680 then walking to Mary's. And when police looked back at 456 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,280 those crime scene pictures from 2019, what do you know? 457 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,560 There was a pack of tunics, tea cakes and a can of cook in those 458 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,440 crime scene pictures. So this was just proof that 459 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,440 Tianan Danton had been in Mary Gregory's house on the night of 460 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,680 the fire. He'd been there when this fire 461 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,080 was started. So that proved his his 462 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,080 confession. And with that, Tianan Danton was 463 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,080 charged with the murder of his own grandmother. 464 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,600 And his trial was set to start in November of 2021. 465 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,720 So this is actually really recent, and his team decided to 466 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,560 come at this from quite an interesting angle. 467 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:59,280 TNN denied all involvement in his grandmother's murder, and he 468 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,760 maintained his innocence. He said that her death was just 469 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,880 an accident, just a tragic house fire. 470 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,600 And he said that his two confessions, you know, in the 471 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,560 truth or dare game and the confession to his therapist, he 472 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,320 said that they were both just big misunderstandings. 473 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,440 He literally stood up there in court and said that he was just 474 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,960 attention seeking. He was just making up lies 475 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,120 because he wanted attention, because he wanted friends. 476 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,200 He even said that the group of kids that he was playing the 477 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,280 truth or dare game, they were the edgy kids, and he wanted to 478 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,880 impress them. So that was why he made this 479 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,480 really dark, twisted joke about his grandmother's death. 480 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,880 But it was all a big misunderstanding, he said. 481 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,800 But realistically, no matter how much denying and lying Tian and 482 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,280 Danton did, everyone saw through it, and everyone knew that he 483 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,680 was responsible for the murder. In fact, everyone could see just 484 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,800 how cold and calculated he really was with it as well. 485 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,160 Dismantling her smoke alarms, disconnecting her telephone, 486 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,160 pushing the table in front of the door so she can't get out. 487 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:02,280 These are all very calculated steps. 488 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:07,040 Because he did not want his grandmother to survive that 489 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,000 night. He'd sat at home and planned all 490 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,640 of this before he went and committed it, and it's clear how 491 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,080 well he planned it too. He wanted to make sure that Mary 492 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,800 Gregory died that night. But why? 493 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,320 But all because of an argument that they'd had earlier that 494 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,200 day. He was going to murder his 94 495 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,240 year old step grandmother over an argument over an argument 496 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,840 about the cleanliness of the house. 497 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,000 So before the trial actually started, psychiatrists were 498 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,280 brought in to assess TNN and now that the trial was here, they 499 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,120 were presenting all of their information. 500 00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:43,600 And the first psychiatrist that saw him actually said that he 501 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,800 suspected TNN of having some kind of autism. 502 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,400 I say some kind of autism because that was never 503 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,680 elaborated on. It was never diagnosed. 504 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:56,240 He literally just said that he suspected that TNN might have 505 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,160 undiagnosed autism to some degree, and that was all he 506 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,800 said. And then he never diagnosed him 507 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,040 or never even like referred him for a diagnosis. 508 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,760 I think it was more just kind of a note on file so that he could 509 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,480 get the right tests for that or the right assessment for that. 510 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,920 But the psychiatrist wasn't the person to do it. 511 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,080 So I actually don't think that has been done. 512 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,360 But what the psychiatrist was actually there for was to assess 513 00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:22,400 TNN's mental health or potential mental illnesses that could have 514 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,920 caused him to to do this. But really there wasn't anything 515 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,720 major to note. I mean, the psychiatrist agreed 516 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,880 that TNN was suffering with depression and anxiety, quite 517 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,880 severe depression and anxiety. But neither of those are excuses 518 00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:39,880 or triggers to commit murder. The reason he committed this 519 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,880 murder wasn't down to his mental health, it was down to him. 520 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,040 It was down to Tianan Danton being a bad person and wanting 521 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,800 to murder someone over over an argument. 522 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,880 But it wasn't just anyone as well, which makes it even worse. 523 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,320 It's your family. It's a 94 year old vulnerable 524 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,600 woman that has opened her doors to you and, and you know, given 525 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,120 you a bed so that you weren't sleeping on the streets. 526 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,640 And this is how he repaired her. The psychiatrist said in court 527 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,720 that he believed that Tianan Downton was 100% responsible for 528 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,680 what he did. There was no mental illness 529 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,880 influence there at all. At the end of his trial, Tianan 530 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,600 Downton was found guilty of the murder of Mary Gregory and he 531 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,920 was sentenced to life in prison with a minimum of 15 years. 532 00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:25,280 And that is where he is right now. 533 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,760 He's aged 21 and he's in prison and he will be for the rest of 534 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,240 his life, hopefully. I think those things that police 535 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,240 found on his laptop were especially terrifying. 536 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,800 Imagine if this had never come to light. 537 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,440 Imagine we'd probably still be hearing about Tian and Danton in 538 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,840 a few years time, just for a different murder.