1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,840 19 year old Sade Robinson left her apartment for a first date 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:08,360 on April 1st, 2024 and after a few hours with this man, she 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:13,080 would never be seen alive again. Days later, unsuspecting 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:17,360 Milwaukee citizens began discovering severed human body 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:22,400 parts across public parks and on the shores of Lake MI Not only 6 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:28,120 had Shardaire met such a brutal end, but her body was scattered 7 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,480 around town like some sort of sick scavenger hunt. 8 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:35,840 And with that, police were on their own hunt for her killer 9 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,800 outlaw. Hello and welcome to Outlaw 10 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,280 podcast. I'm Ellen O'Neill, and in 11 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:50,000 today's episode, we're in Milwaukee, WI in 2024, where a 12 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:54,680 whole severed human leg has just been discovered by a member of 13 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:58,400 the public, A horrifying discovery regardless of the 14 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,800 context. And right now, police had 15 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,160 absolutely none. They weren't yet aware that a 16 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,760 young woman had disappeared the night before. 17 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:11,240 They weren't yet aware that this severed leg would lead them to a 18 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:16,880 man so depraved, so twisted that he had set up a thrill kill and 19 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:21,440 Paul Sharda had walked into a trap she didn't even know had 20 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,760 been set long in advance. Now, before we get into this 21 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,640 case, I just want to give my usual disclaimer that I mean 22 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,600 absolutely no harm or disrespect to anyone that we talk about in 23 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,600 today's case. Our episodes are made with the 24 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:39,080 utmost care to honour those who lost their lives and respect the 25 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,680 profound grief that their loved ones endure. 26 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,600 Given the nature of today's episode, we'll be covering some 27 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,760 very sensitive topics including sexual assault, torture, 28 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,320 mutilation, domestic violence and murder. 29 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,360 This episode is created with the hope to raise awareness, inspire 30 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,480 change and further Victim Support. 31 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:03,200 Viewer discretion is advised. It was May 10th, 2004 in 32 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,040 Vicksburg, Ms. when parents Sheena and Carlos welcomed their 33 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,800 beautiful baby girl charder Carlina Robinson. 34 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,280 Before her second birthday. Her parents split up and her 35 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,400 mother moved herself and Sharday out to Milwaukee, WI to live 36 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,560 with her parents. And Sharday loved living with 37 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,880 grandma and granddad. But soon a whole new family unit 38 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,320 would form. A stepdad would enter the 39 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,000 picture and eventually 1/2 sister too. 40 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,680 Shade's early childhood might sound a little bit rocky on 41 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,000 paper. Parents split moving states, new 42 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,560 father figure. But it all happened when she was 43 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,960 so young that all she would really remember as she grew 44 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:49,960 older was the secure family unit that she had by the age of five. 45 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,440 She adored her stepdad and her new baby sister Adriana. 46 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,640 She loved being a big sis and her biological father was still 47 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,240 as involved in her life as he possibly could be from states 48 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,600 away. He still adored her and he still 49 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:09,560 wanted to be in her life. Sade was so surrounded by love 50 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,160 and by people that cared for her enormously. 51 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,720 She was a very happy child and from a young age she had such a 52 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:21,040 little personality. She was social, fun, outgoing, 53 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,920 active and adventurous. She joined Girl Scouts, she did 54 00:03:24,920 --> 00:03:28,760 dance classes, she played soccer, she loved performing 55 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,320 too. A girl of many interests and 56 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,040 many talents. But as she grew up, Sade began 57 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:39,000 having a hard time in school. So she moved to Florida to live 58 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,640 with her dad for a while, and she attended a new school out 59 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,600 there, but she ultimately went back to finish high school in 60 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,440 Milwaukee. We read that she'd really 61 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,600 struggled with her mental health and depression in her teen 62 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,560 years, which I'm sure many of us can relate to and know how 63 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,080 horrendous it is to go through such inner turmoil growing up 64 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,920 when you're still trying to make sense of life. 65 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:05,600 But Sade made it out the other side with fabulous grades and 66 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,320 her sparkling personality still intact. 67 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,440 She was even able to graduate a semester early. 68 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,840 She was so bright, she worked so hard, and she was destined for 69 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,079 great things. But there had been some people 70 00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:21,040 along the way who had tried to break her. 71 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,840 And since moving back to Milwaukee, Sade had actually 72 00:04:24,840 --> 00:04:29,720 been the victim of stalking and sexual assault by a friend that 73 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,080 she had trusted. After such a traumatic incident, 74 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,480 her guard was up all the time. Now, obviously it was hard to 75 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,120 trust people. She was wary of everyone. 76 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,880 And so she became extremely independent. 77 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,080 By the age of 19. She rented her own apartment. 78 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,520 She worked two-part time jobs in order to pay her bills, one at a 79 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:54,240 pizza place as a cashier and another at a members only club 80 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:58,360 as wait staff. Sharda was a hustler and a very 81 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,280 reliable worker. She never missed a shift, she 82 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:03,840 never turned up late, and if she was even running 5 minutes 83 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:07,240 behind, she would send a text to let her boss know she was so 84 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,520 responsible. And she was doing all of this 85 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,920 while studying a degree in Criminal justice. 86 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,600 She was amazing. By March 2019, she was only a 87 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,640 month away from finishing that course. 88 00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:21,960 In fact, her graduation was planned to be on her 20th 89 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:26,360 birthday, a very clear end to the chapter of her teenage years 90 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,280 and a fresh start into adulthood. 91 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,360 Sade was thinking long and hard about what she wanted to do 92 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,000 after graduation. There were a few career paths 93 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,520 that she was weighing up, one of which was joining the US Air 94 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,160 Force. Her own family was full of 95 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,680 veterans. Her grandfather was now retired 96 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,720 from the US Navy. Her uncle was also retired from 97 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,200 the Army. It was in the family, she had 98 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,960 grown up hearing all these stories and so it seems that she 99 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:56,320 was leaning mostly towards that. But in the meantime she studied 100 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,280 her ass off and she spent her free time hanging out with her 101 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:01,320 loved ones. According to her friends and 102 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:06,960 family, Sade was so kind, so generous and just the absolute 103 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,080 definition of a social butterfly. 104 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,440 She loved to chat to anyone and everyone. 105 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,720 She would talk to strangers, she would make friends wherever she 106 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,280 went, she would first time her mom and update her on her life 107 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:23,600 and fill her in on her plans. And on the 31st of March 2019, 108 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,760 Shardaire had some very specific plans. 109 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,520 She was prepping for a first date the next day with a guy 110 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:34,880 that she had met out and about. It seems no one knows for sure 111 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,440 just where or when Sade met this man. 112 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,840 It's mostly suspected that they met at the bar that this guy 113 00:06:40,840 --> 00:06:42,960 worked at. But the fact of the matter is 114 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,320 Sade was excited to see him. She had told practically 115 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,400 everyone that she crossed paths with that she was going on a 116 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,920 date. Her Co workers, her mom, her 117 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,200 friends, even the maintenance guy who worked in her apartment 118 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,240 complex. Of course we mentioned Sade is a 119 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,440 very chatty girl. That is just the kind of person 120 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,480 she is, but she was also a very savvy girl. 121 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,320 She was very big on safety. She always let everyone know 122 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,040 where she was. She shared her location with her 123 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,280 closest friends and family on the Life 360 app, which is a lot 124 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,400 more than just a location sharing app. 125 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,320 It can notify someone when your phone arrives and leaves each 126 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,520 new location, basically compiling a log for those that 127 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:29,680 you trust to share it with. And unfortunately, this becomes 128 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,960 really important in Shade's case. 129 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,760 On the day that she disappeared, it was the 1st of April 2024. 130 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,840 Shade was getting ready in her apartment around 4:00 PM when 131 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,960 she sent her date a text. Where are we meeting? 132 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,080 I can do five. He suggested a place downtown. 133 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:49,360 It was like a German brewery that does those giant signs of 134 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,480 beer. And he texts her saying, are you 135 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,080 hungry? I'm gonna need to stop by 136 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,840 Twisted Fishermen to pick up my W2 from last year and we could 137 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,640 eat there first. Twisted Fishermen is like a 138 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,680 seafood grill restaurant and bar that faces out onto the water. 139 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,680 The guy that she's going on a date with used to work there and 140 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,160 obviously needs to pick something up. 141 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,840 He asked her if she would rather eat there or at the brewery and 142 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,920 Sharda said let's eat it Twisted. 143 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,360 I'm feeling seafood. And by 5:30 PM that night on 144 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,320 April the first, they are sitting together at the bar 145 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,960 ordering food. The date seemed to go well 146 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,680 enough that by 6:24 PM they decided to head to the next 147 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,160 spot. They didn't end up going to that 148 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,640 brewery in the end, but instead a bar that was much closer 149 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,320 called Jukes on the Water. This was another place that her 150 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,960 date had previously worked at. What a coincidence. 151 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,720 But was it really a coincidence? Because actually, Sharda was 152 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,720 only 19 years old. In America, of course, you can't 153 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,320 be served alcohol under the age of 21. 154 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:54,280 So it seems that that this man was pulling some strings with 155 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:59,200 his former Co workers to get his underage date some alcohol. 156 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,280 It's even worse when you eventually learn that the guy 157 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:07,040 that was taking her On this date was 33 years old dating a 19 158 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,920 year old who can't legally be served alcohol in a bar. 159 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,280 So that's the kind of guy we're dealing with here. 160 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:16,720 Suspected man child. But they head to this next bar, 161 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,280 and it's from this point, based on CCTV footage of the date 162 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,080 alone, that the vibe between them seems to change. 163 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,680 This guy looks like he's almost ignoring Sade in favor of 164 00:09:27,680 --> 00:09:29,120 speaking to the couple next to him. 165 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,640 She's just sat there off to the side by herself. 166 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,440 And mind you, this is a social, outgoing woman. 167 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,600 It's sad to see her be ignored like this. 168 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,800 Around 9:00 PM, they're ready to leave the bar. 169 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,680 They pay the tab and they hop into Sade's car, heading back to 170 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:50,680 her date's house, the last place that she would ever be seen 171 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,200 alive. The morning after her date, 172 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,080 Shade was scheduled to work a shift at the pizza restaurant. 173 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,800 Now, I told you she was famously a reliable worker. 174 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:02,840 Her boss has praised her for being such a great employee, so 175 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,200 commutative. She never skipped shifts. 176 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,600 She would book her time off well in advance. 177 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,760 And like I said, even if she was running 5 minutes late, she 178 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,320 would communicate, she would text, she would let people know. 179 00:10:14,680 --> 00:10:19,000 So when Shade didn't show up to work at all, call on April 2nd 180 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,320 with no text, no call, her coworkers immediately worried 181 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,960 because this was so unlike her. They texted her to see if she 182 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,080 was okay, but it looked like the messages weren't even going 183 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:31,840 through. They weren't even delivering. 184 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,680 So was Shardes phone shut off again? 185 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,640 This was weird for her. This is the same girl who has 186 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,440 her live location shared with her closest people. 187 00:10:41,560 --> 00:10:43,800 She's not just going to shut her phone off for no reason. 188 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,040 Her boss at the pizza place actually knew where Sade lived 189 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,760 and they were friends enough that she was like right OK I'm 190 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,240 just going to go round to her house and check on her and see 191 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,800 if she's OK. So she jumped in her car and 192 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,280 drove to Sade's apartment, but when she knocked and called for 193 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:02,840 her, Sade didn't respond. No one came to the door and her 194 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:07,200 car was missing, so the boss contacted Sharda's friends and 195 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,120 family, who were all immediately concerned. 196 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,880 Hearing this, they also know that this is so out of character 197 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,840 for her, so they rush to check her recent locations on Life 198 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,880 360, and they were horrified by what they saw. 199 00:11:21,560 --> 00:11:24,640 The logs of Sharda's location through the night paint a 200 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:29,000 picture not of a successful first date, but of something 201 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,160 much more sinister. She had gone back to her dad's 202 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,600 house after the bar. She drove the two of them there, 203 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,760 and they were actually caught on a neighbour's security camera as 204 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,280 they entered his house. Sharde remained there, or at 205 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,680 least her phone remained there, until 12:45 AM. 206 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,080 Bear in mind, as I'm telling you, these locations, it's not 207 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,280 necessarily her, it's her phone. By 1:00 AM, the tracker was 208 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:56,720 heading towards downtown Milwaukee and by 115 she seemed 209 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,520 to have reached the area that her apartment was in. 210 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:01,600 But she didn't turn into to the parking lot. 211 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,960 She didn't actually stop or slow down. 212 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,240 She didn't go home. The tracker just keeps driving 213 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,360 past her apartment building, getting further and further out, 214 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,320 heading northbound. By 1:33 AM, her location seems 215 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,720 to settle at Pleasant Valley Park for about half an hour. 216 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:21,560 And this is what really scared her family because what 19 year 217 00:12:21,560 --> 00:12:25,400 old girl is going out to a park alone in the dead of night and 218 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,920 staying there for half an hour? But it's not even that, it's 219 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:29,640 everything that comes next as well. 220 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,760 The location begins to move again. 221 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:36,080 For 10 minutes it travels West, and it settles once again in 222 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:40,920 another park right on the river. It keeps doing this, traveling 223 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:45,080 from park to park and lingering in each one through the early 224 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,800 hours of the morning. From 3:00 to 4:30 AM. 225 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:53,440 Her location is in Warnerman Park for an hour and a half. 226 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,200 Like obviously that can't be Sade. 227 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,840 No 19 year old girl is park hopping all alone in the middle 228 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,760 of the night. Her phone battery died at 4:40 229 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,320 AM while it was still on the move further northbound. 230 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:09,600 So at this stage her family have no idea where Sade or where her 231 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,320 phone had ended up. But one thing was clear, 232 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:17,000 something was wrong, and they needed to find her fast. 9:00 PM 233 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,760 on the day after her first date, Shade Robinson had been reported 234 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,960 missing to the police. And actually, they'd already 235 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,440 begun making headway in her case without even knowing what they 236 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,240 were trying to solve. Yet they had been receiving 237 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:34,920 calls and clues and reports. It would all soon link back to 238 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,840 Shade Robinson. Earlier that morning at 7:29 AM, 239 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,600 two women were walking along the sidewalk together when they 240 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,040 watched as a man who had been parked outside of what seemed to 241 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:50,400 be an abandoned building got out of the car, lit it on fire and 242 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,040 fled the scene. So the women are like what the 243 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:54,640 hell? They immediately go into a bit 244 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,760 of a panic. One of them starts like waving 245 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,040 her arms trying to draw anyones attention that's around warning 246 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:01,880 people that this car might explode. 247 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:06,040 Genuinely what a bizarre and scary thing to witness because 248 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:09,200 why the hell would someone do that and then walk away so 249 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,040 casually as well. This man that just got out of 250 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,920 the car was unfazed. The women called the police and 251 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,280 reported what they had just witnessed and they were at the 252 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,680 scene by 8:15 AM. But by this point the car had 253 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:23,440 pretty much burnt out completely. 254 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,920 The women described the suspect that they had seen as a tall 255 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,960 white man wearing a tan backpack and a grey hoodie. 256 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:34,680 A local CCTV camera caught an image of this man that backs up 257 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,720 this description. Police ran checks on the car's 258 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,520 plates and discovered that it belonged to a 19 year old girl 259 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,400 named Sharda Robinson. At this stage though, that 260 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,560 didn't raise any alarm bells Because police weren't familiar 261 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,440 with Sharda, she hadn't been reported missing yet. 262 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,960 So they gathered this information and they take it 263 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,120 back to the station while the car is hauled off, I think to be 264 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,880 kept in evidence while the case was investigated. 265 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:04,560 Later that afternoon, him a second lead in Sharda's case, 266 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,720 though again, it's before she's reported missing, so it's not 267 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:12,600 linked to her just yet. But a gruesome discovery had 268 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:17,920 been made just after 5:30 PM. Two men had been out walking in 269 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:22,560 the rain in Monument Park when they saw what appeared to be a 270 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:27,560 whole human leg laying by the shores of Lake MI. 271 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,160 They walked down the S curve from Sheridan. 272 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,920 They started walking S just for fun, you know, rough day on the 273 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,440 beach and they're walking that wax. 274 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,600 Yeah. Leg right there said that it was 275 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,480 up about approximately where the end of that stick that, you 276 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,560 know, branches that bushes so that they sawed up. 277 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:45,840 So it's like up on the hill kind of. 278 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:46,760 Yeah. OK. 279 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,600 So said that he, him and his buddy who's in my squad right 280 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,400 now, walked out, called us, and then when he came back, it was 281 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,160 about, I don't know, maybe 7 feet, 7 feet east side of rock. 282 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,280 I moved it just for evidence purposes. 283 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,520 OK, so that's been swept away. Yeah. 284 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,600 OK. And I've documented it well on 285 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,680 body Cam with different angles of where it was. 286 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:07,760 And what's your name again, bud? Evan. 287 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,440 Evan. OK Evan, how long were you out 288 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,520 here? About probably an hour. 289 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:13,920 An hour? Yeah. 290 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:19,640 OK. Used to come this way. 291 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:20,680 Yeah. Yeah. 292 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,120 The first time I see anything here. 293 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,680 Yeah, the first time you seen anything like this? 294 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,520 Yeah, OK. Pretty quickly, it was 295 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,200 determined that this leg belonged to a young black woman 296 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:37,960 of about 5 feet in height. And importantly, the leg hadn't 297 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,880 begun decomposition. This was very recent. 298 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:46,800 Police were now trying to identify a dead woman from her 299 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,240 leg. Later that night in comes a 300 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:54,360 report of a missing young black woman of about 5 feet in height. 301 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,200 Police could already see where this was going and so the very 302 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,320 next day they gained entry to shade Robinsons apartment. 303 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,359 But nothing was out of the ordinary in there. 304 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,760 There was no sign of a struggle, no clues to her whereabouts, She 305 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:11,400 hadn't left a note or anything. There was nothing to be learnt 306 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,280 from her apartment. Her loved ones had told the 307 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,440 police everything that they possibly could about Shardaire's 308 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,240 last day. You know, especially the first 309 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,119 day because it was becoming increasingly clear that they 310 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,240 needed to hunt him down and ask him some questions. 311 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,320 I don't know if her friends and family knew his name or not, but 312 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,400 they certainly had all of her locations from that night. 313 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,880 You know, they'd seen that she'd been at Twisted Fishermen and at 314 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,760 Dukes on the Water. So police could go down to those 315 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,560 places and speak to the staff and grab the CCTV footage. 316 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,160 They'd be able to identify and track down Sharda's date pretty 317 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,280 easily. Meanwhile, they had requested 318 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,120 her phone logs from her network provider that would give them 319 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:56,280 access to her text and call activity from earlier in the day 320 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,480 on her date. It because she'd been texting 321 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,720 her date as she was getting ready, planning where they were 322 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,760 going to meet and what time. And now the police had his phone 323 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:11,040 number, they could trace it to a man named Maxwell Anderson. 324 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:16,080 He was 33 years old, 14 years older than the 19 year old girl 325 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,280 he took out on a date. Maxwell Anderson was a 326 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,320 bartender. Again, it's believed that they 327 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,640 met at his place of work before they eventually planned and went 328 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,160 On this date. And the thing about Maxwell 329 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,240 Anderson is the police were very aware of him and they weren't 330 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,640 exactly shocked to see him linked to a violent case like 331 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,160 this one. Maxwell was born into a wealthy 332 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:42,720 family on the 26th of May 1990. He lived his whole life in 333 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,800 Wisconsin in a gorgeous big home. 334 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,440 His dad was quite frankly rolling in it because he owned 335 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,160 two different insurance companies. 336 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:55,520 And so Maxwell grew up never wanting for anything. 337 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,880 In fact, people that knew him said that he grew up bratty and 338 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:03,360 entitled, never having been told no everything, always going his 339 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:07,320 way. In 2014, Max was 24 years old 340 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,280 when he got into an argument with a female family member. 341 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,600 We're not exactly sure what relation she was to him, but we 342 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,760 do know that in this confrontation, he pushed the 343 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,520 woman. Not only that, but he was 344 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,880 smashing things up around her. He smashed up her kitchen. 345 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,840 He smashed up her phone. The poor woman had to call the 346 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,880 police on him and when they arrived, Max even said to the 347 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,600 police officers, what are you going to do, shoot me? 348 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,720 And then he actually tried to make a run for it. 349 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,080 He fled and jumped into the woman's car and only returned 350 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:40,760 home after he had crashed it. And he was of course arrested 351 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,440 for all of this. And then a year later, in 2015, 352 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,000 he was arrested once again for getting violent and threatening 353 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:52,000 at another family function. When a relative suggested that 354 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,720 Max should get a mental health check because his behaviour was 355 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:59,200 so bad and something had to be wrong, he got so offended and so 356 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:04,400 mad that he smashed a glass over the head of this family member. 357 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,720 He punched a wall. And then when a family member 358 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,880 tried to call the police to come and defuse the situation, he 359 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,720 grabbed the phone out of their hand. 360 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:17,560 This is a violent and angry man who can't control his emotions. 361 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,400 He just keeps racking up charges for domestic violence and 362 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:25,840 disorderly conduct. And then in 2019, he was 29 363 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,400 years old and in trouble with the police again. 364 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,120 A stranger had witnessed Maxwell being aggressive with a woman in 365 00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:34,520 public, possibly a girlfriend at the time. 366 00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:38,000 It made the stranger so uncomfortable and worried for 367 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,880 the woman that they stepped in and said something to Max and he 368 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:46,000 just went mental. He punched this guy over and 369 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,560 over again. He dragged him down to the floor 370 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,840 and got on top of him, still punching him like this was a 371 00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:56,240 properly violent assault. For this incident, Max got a 372 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,880 year of probation, 25 hours of community service, and he was 373 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:04,640 ordered to pay $7000 in restitution to the victim for 374 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,760 medical bills and for lost wages. 375 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,240 Now that is a lot of money. The fact that this guy needed 376 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,040 that much hospital treatment afterwards and he couldn't work 377 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,040 tells you just how awful that assault was. 378 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,600 Maxwell Anderson is clearly very, very dangerous. 379 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,080 He will attack strangers. He will attack loved ones. 380 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:28,200 He seems at risk of attacking absolutely anyone that upsets 381 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,560 him or challenges him in any way, and now they are connecting 382 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:37,040 this violent man with the case of missing and tragically at 383 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,160 this point, presumed dead 19 year old Sade Robinson. 384 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,880 On the 4th of April, just three days after the date, police 385 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,160 arrested Maxwell Anderson a few blocks from his home as he was 386 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:50,560 waiting at a red light. When he was taken in for 387 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,320 questioning, he was clearly trying not to give much away, 388 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,440 but the evidence had mounted high enough that he didn't 389 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,160 really need to talk. The police knew it was him by 390 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,400 now. The human leg that had been 391 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,080 discovered by Lake MI had been taken to a lab where it was 392 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,720 identified to be Sharda Robinson's. 393 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,960 They could also confirm at this point that the leg had been 394 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,440 severed using a sharp instrument, essentially 395 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,160 confirming that she was dismembered by whoever had 396 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:24,240 killed her, ruling out any possibilities of her leg having 397 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,760 been torn off by anything in nature. 398 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,080 You know what I mean? This had been an intentional act 399 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,560 by another human being. The burnt car that had been 400 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,320 confirmed to be Shardes, the car that she had driven to Maxwell 401 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,080 Anderson's house, the last place that she had been seen alive, 402 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,160 revealed her clothes. The same outfit that she had 403 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,160 worn on the date was burnt to a crisp in the back of that car. 404 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:53,080 The car that Maxwell Anderson had driven out to a random St. 405 00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:56,080 and set on fire to destroy evidence. 406 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,120 Not only did the CCTV footage of the incident look exactly like 407 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:04,120 him, but the grey hoodie that he was wearing that day was found 408 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:07,800 in his car when he was arrested. The police obtained a search 409 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,160 warrant for Max's home, which seemed rather unassuming 410 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,080 actually, until they got to the basement. 411 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,120 As they went down the stairs leading to it, they spotted 412 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:23,080 blood on the walls. And inside that basement was 413 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:27,240 some sort of horror sex tortured dungeon. 414 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,840 And not like in a BDSM50 Shades kind of where this was literally 415 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,320 like something out of a horror movie. 416 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,560 There was a bed and a bunch of sex gear like hoists and 417 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,240 handcuffs, and there was a a curtain around the bed. 418 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,440 But then there were a mass of weapons, anything and everything 419 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,120 that you could think of. An axe, firearms, power tools. 420 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,080 He even had a wall with 51 knives on it. 421 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,240 That's insane. There were also a few empty gas 422 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,640 cans laying around, which were obviously the ones that he had 423 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,280 used to torch Shade's stuff and possibly even her car. 424 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,280 More blood was also found in Max's bedroom and in his 425 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,400 bathroom. But here's where things get 426 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,920 stranger. When the DNA testing of that 427 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,480 blood comes back, it wasn't Sharda's. 428 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,280 It was someone else's. It wasn't Max's either. 429 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,600 So did this mean that there were other victims? 430 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:26,440 But with Max in custody, more developments would come and more 431 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,800 parts of Sharda would be discovered. 432 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,320 On the 6th of April, her other foot was found in a park close 433 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,560 to where her car had been set on fire, along with other lumps of 434 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,920 flesh that were confirmed to be hers. 435 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,400 Now, we don't know if this was intentional, like her body 436 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,720 really had been cut into shreds by her attacker, or if the 437 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:52,400 scattering of her flesh and tissue was the work of animals. 438 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,720 Either way, it's absolutely horrific. 439 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,280 Around this time, Maxwell Anderson was officially charged 440 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,000 with first degree intentional homicide, mutilation of a 441 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:08,120 corpse, and arson, and Sade Robinson was officially declared 442 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,440 dead. Over the coming weeks and 443 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,520 months, her remains continued to surface. 444 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,760 Parts of her were found scattered in the parks that her 445 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,760 Life 360 app had logged her location on. 446 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,040 On the night that she disappeared, her torso washed up 447 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,400 on one of the shores, almost whole, but missing one of her 448 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,920 breasts that had clearly been severed by her killer. 449 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,560 At this point, it's clear that there was an element of 450 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,640 enjoyment to the dismembering. It could have been argued up 451 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,520 until this point that her killer had dismembered her body simply 452 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,960 for ease of disposing it. But to intentionally cut off one 453 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,000 of her breasts? That would make no difference to 454 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,240 how he got rid of the torso. He just wanted to do that. 455 00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:56,760 He just had the desire to cut off one of her breasts. 456 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,840 Over a month after her death, on the 18th of May, 1 of Sharda's 457 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,880 arms even washed up one state over in Illinois. 458 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,840 As they slowly recovered these pieces of hair, they sent them 459 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,360 off for a post mortem. But since most of her remains 460 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:15,080 had been thrown into the water and washed up on the Shaws, 461 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,840 carrying out any kind of detailed post or getting any 462 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,280 kind of detailed answers was kind of impossible. 463 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,240 When a body is found in water, especially if it's been there 464 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,920 for a long time, a lot of the soft tissue may be destroyed. 465 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,760 Any physical evidence like fingerprints or DNA are 466 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,080 obviously washed away. Being in water also speeds up 467 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,480 the rate of decomposition, so especially those pieces that 468 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,800 were discovered weeks and months into the investigation will be 469 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,680 almost impossible to get any information from. 470 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,880 Nevertheless, the examiner was able to make some conclusions. 471 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,680 She couldn't pinpoint Sharda's exact cause of death, but she 472 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,520 could at the very least tell that she had been stabbed. 473 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,600 It's unclear whether that is the cause of death or just one of 474 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,440 the awful things that happened to Sharda Robinson as part of 475 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,200 the attack on her. Honestly now that we know that 476 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,480 this guy has a whole entire torch and dungeon under his 477 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,480 house, it horrifies me to think what he could have done to 478 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:19,040 Sharda for the fun of it just because he was sick and twisted. 479 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:22,800 Another thing to note though, and this is just so horrific, 480 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,000 Shardes head has never been found. 481 00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:30,280 Still to this day Maxwell has never offered up where it is, no 482 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,520 matter how much Shardes family beg him. 483 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,240 So unfortunately they've never had the closure of having all of 484 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,800 her back to be able to lay her to rest. 485 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,560 Her mum Sheena has written letters to Sharda's killer in 486 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,280 jail just begging him to give over the location, give over any 487 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,520 information so that she can bury all of her baby. 488 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,920 She's also begged his family to try to speak to him and try to 489 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,120 get through to him and convince him to give over this 490 00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:00,440 information. But still, he's never said a 491 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,800 word. At this stage, Maxwell was being 492 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,120 held without bail, waiting for his court date, and he was 493 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:09,200 pleading not guilty. He wasn't prepared to go down 494 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,440 for his crimes without traumatizing Sharda's family 495 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,160 through a trial. But while he waited for his 496 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,960 trial, as soon as the police had done their investigation in his 497 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:23,360 home, Max's family sold his house two months after the 498 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:26,440 murder, before the case has even gone to trial. 499 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,640 Maybe they wanted it gone and filled by someone else so that 500 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,600 it couldn't keep being checked for evidence and worsening their 501 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,440 son's case. Who knows, maybe it was 502 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,600 sinister. Or maybe it was to get the money 503 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,040 to pay for his legal fees, which mind you, would be quite 504 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,040 expensive because Maxwell was going to be working with an 505 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,880 infamous lawyer known for getting people off who are 506 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,000 clearly guilty of murder. This lawyer has managed to get 507 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,440 his clients found not guilty even when they have literally 508 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,360 confessed to the crime. And even in cases where evidence 509 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,480 is just overwhelming. And then in the case where they 510 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,760 might still be found guilty, he manages to get them as little 511 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,680 time behind bars as possible. We covered the Slender Man 512 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,560 stabbing case a while ago. That was 2 teenage girls, one of 513 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,640 them named Morgan Geyser, who was ultimately represented by 514 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,160 the same lawyer. She and her friend had murdered 515 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,480 their other friend because Slender Man had told them to do 516 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,160 it. Morgan Geyser, while I think she 517 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,400 was still found guilty, she never got sent to prison or 518 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,560 anything, or juvie. She was a child. 519 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,240 Instead, she was sent to a psychiatric facility and she 520 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,720 only spent, I want to say six years there. 521 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,720 So Maxwell was enlisting the help of that exact same lawyer. 522 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,080 Clearly at this point he still has a level of confidence that 523 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,960 he might be able to get off lightly or completely. 524 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,160 But soon a witness testimony would appear that threw the 525 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,560 whole case into a new light and absolutely screwed Maxwell's 526 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,520 chances of being seen as anything other than a depraved 527 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:07,680 evil psycho killer that could well have turned into a serial 528 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,120 killer. A confidential informant had 529 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,600 brought themselves forward to the police because they believed 530 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,840 that they had some very disturbing yet very crucial 531 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,440 information about Max and about this case. 532 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,800 This person was one of Maxwell's friends that he had known for a 533 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,560 few years, someone that he trusted, someone that he spoke 534 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,200 quite freely around and clearly felt that he could voice some of 535 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:34,400 his darkest desires in front of. This informant told the police 536 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,840 that on the 5th of March 2024, that's a month before Sharda's 537 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,240 murder, he had gone over to Max's house to hang out and that 538 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,320 was when he first became aware of the existence distance of 539 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,360 that torture dungeon in his basement. 540 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,720 Max took him down there to show him around and he was clearly 541 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,080 very proud of everything that he had set up. 542 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,200 I think at first he was kind of implying that its purpose was 543 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,960 just for sex, but if that was the case, then why was the whole 544 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,040 entire room covered in plastic tarp? 545 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:06,920 Literally the whole entire thing. 546 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:11,360 Not just the floors, but the walls, the ceiling, even lining 547 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,240 the sink. He wasn't taking any chances. 548 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,680 And that was when Max was actually honest with the friend 549 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,560 about what this was all for. He just point blank told him 550 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,280 that he had lined everything up down here because he is going to 551 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,080 kill someone. He wanted to commit a thrill 552 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,280 kill. He wanted to know what it would 553 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,240 be like to murder someone, to take someone's life and to try 554 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,880 to get away with it. He had been thinking about this 555 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,200 for some time, and not only that, he'd already chosen his 556 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:45,440 victim, this young woman that he'd met about a month ago, Sade 557 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,200 Robinson. His plan was to ask her on a 558 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,400 date. He'd even anticipated that he 559 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,920 might have to ask her a few times, thinking that Shade might 560 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,680 initially say no to him. He told the friend that he would 561 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,400 ask again and again and again until she agreed. 562 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,760 He said that when she eventually said yes, he would take her out. 563 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,680 They would have a few drinks, then he would bring her back to 564 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,560 his place where he planned to murder her. 565 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,560 His plan at this stage was to pull out one of his firearms 566 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,440 while they were still upstairs, probably in the living room, and 567 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,280 scare her, threaten her into doing whatever he demanded. 568 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,520 He would tell her to walk down to the basement where he then 569 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:28,000 planned to shoot her dead and chop up her body and scatter it 570 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,440 all over the city. This is what he told his friend. 571 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,840 According to that informant, Max was really matter of fact about 572 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,880 the whole thing. There was no emotion attached at 573 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,360 any point. And actually, let's just take it 574 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,280 back a second because I told you that his plan was to threaten 575 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,160 her with a gun and get her to walk down into the basement 576 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,800 herself. She would have seen everything 577 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,160 that he had set up and laid out. She will have seen the Dexter 578 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,240 level dungeon down there, covered in plastic tarp and 579 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,640 tools and weapons all around. She will have known immediately 580 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,120 what kind of fate awaited her in her next moments. 581 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,520 She will have been so scared. It's harrowing to think about 582 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:13,040 what might have been going on in her head in those final moments. 583 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,840 I can't imagine you'd have ever felt a feel like it in your 584 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,480 life. Now, we do have to talk about 585 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,960 this informant, by the way, because I genuinely can't 586 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,160 believe that this man never went to the police after experiencing 587 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,160 everything Max had just told and shown him. 588 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,720 What do you mean? You're standing in another man's 589 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,400 basement that is covered in plastic tarp lining the entire 590 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,280 room. There are power tools laid out, 591 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,840 saws, knives, guns. He's saying that he has a plan 592 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,240 to kill that he is clearly putting into action right in 593 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,960 front of you, and you don't go to the police immediately. 594 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,400 A murderer could have been literally stopped in his tracks 595 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,640 before he committed it. A death could have been 596 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,400 prevented, a life could have been saved. 597 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,800 But this man, this informant, just stood around and did 598 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:07,360 nothing, only to eventually come to the police anonymously with 599 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,440 his tail between his legs when he learned that Max had actually 600 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,280 gone through with his plan. It's just so incredibly 601 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,199 frustrating and heartbreaking to know that the outcome of this 602 00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:20,880 case could have been different. It never needed to become a 603 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,920 case. For a whole year after Sharday's 604 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,120 death, different vigils and protests and celebrations of her 605 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,239 life took place. Local residents had decorated 606 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,639 their driveways with the colour pink to honour her. 607 00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,800 There were even plans to have a memorial made for Sharday there 608 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,719 in Milwaukee, but this was ultimately scrapped when the 609 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,320 supervisors pulling it all together received an onslaught 610 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:49,120 of abusive and racist emails. And Shardes own friends and 611 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,760 family had been receiving this kind of senseless abuse this 612 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,520 whole entire time. It's literally just pure evil at 613 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,280 that point. As if this family hasn't gone 614 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,560 through enough without facing this on top of grieving their 615 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,480 loved one and finding out all of these awful awful things that 616 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,600 happened to her. And now they're having their 617 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,120 plans ruined when they're just trying to honor their lost loved 618 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,960 one. The way that Sharda's family 619 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,440 were treated in the aftermath of her case is truly devastating. 620 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,320 But they never let that stop them from being vocal about her 621 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,640 case and the changes that need to be made now that the memorial 622 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,160 wouldn't go ahead. Sade's mother, Sheena, was 623 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,520 looking for other ways to immortalize her daughter and let 624 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:34,360 her legacy and her memory live on, changing the lives of others 625 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,720 as it did. And so she set up a foundation 626 00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:41,280 named Sade's Voice. It's a nonprofit organization 627 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,640 dedicated to providing support to the families of missing Black 628 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,560 women and girls, starting with Wisconsin. 629 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:52,280 Sade's Voice aims to build a whole world where every person, 630 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,880 regardless of race or background, receives the right 631 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,600 amount of attention and care to their case. 632 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,720 It's so important to us here at Outlaw to use this platform to 633 00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:05,480 highlight the nonprofit organizations that families of 634 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,240 victims have set up to honor their loved ones legacy. 635 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,800 It's such an inspiring display of strength and it impresses me 636 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,840 immensely every single time. I think it's such an incredible 637 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,200 thing to do. And so the link to Sharda's 638 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,600 Voice Foundation will be below in the description. 639 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,560 Please do take a look and learn about what they do and if you 640 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,080 have the means, a donation to their cause would go a long way 641 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,440 for the safety of black girls in Wisconsin. 642 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,560 Now back to the case. Maxwell Anderson's murder trial 643 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:38,040 began on the 28th of May 2025 and up until this point he had 644 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,640 refused to cooperate with investigators and actually that 645 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:42,960 wasn't about to change at this point. 646 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,920 I don't know why I said it like it was going to change. 647 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,560 He refuses to give away any kind of motive, explanation or 648 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:54,040 reasoning for why he did what he did to Sharda, which is the 649 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,160 worst part of it all. It one thing to not give 650 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,080 information to investigators so they're struggling to solve the 651 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,440 case, but it's a whole other level of evil to deny a grieving 652 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,600 family any kind of closure or answers. 653 00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:10,560 During the trial, it was revealed that Max had actually 654 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,440 taken photos of Sade on his phone back at his house while 655 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,000 she was either unconscious or even dead. 656 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,200 It's not entirely clear what the context is, but what is clear is 657 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,320 that Sade was not an active participant in what was 658 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,120 happening to her in these photos. 659 00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:35,080 In one of them, Max has his hand on her right breast, and in the 660 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:40,440 very next photo, he is holding her breast in his hand after he 661 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,400 had cut it off of her body. He had tried deleting these 662 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,000 images, but no images ever truly deleted forever. 663 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,240 Obviously, investigators were able to recover them. 664 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:56,040 And with all of this grotesque evidence piled high, it wasn't 665 00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,640 looking good for Maxwell, especially because a majority 666 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,960 female jury had been chosen for this trial for the case of an 667 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,640 innocent young woman who had simply been living her life 668 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,400 going on a date, something most young women do. 669 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,440 This is a jury that could relate to Shade. 670 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,600 They could see her as their friend, as their daughter, as 671 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,960 their sister or even as themselves. 672 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,640 There was also a female judge on this trial as well, and 673 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,200 statistically women feel more confident handing guilty 674 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,280 verdicts to male perpetrators of sexually motivated crimes 675 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,080 against women. So it really wasn't looking good 676 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,520 for Maxwell. His defence. 677 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,760 Like I said, give no motive. No reason as to why he killed 678 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,880 Shardaer other than insisting that he actually just didn't do 679 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,760 it. Instead they complain about the 680 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,680 Police Department spending too much money investigating the 681 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,000 case. She's just bullshit and also 682 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,440 like so irrelevant to anything right now. 683 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,280 Who cares how much it costs to get to this point? 684 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,040 The fact is that we're here and the evidence against you has 685 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,960 been found. Throughout the trial, more 686 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,840 evidence was brought up, like some grainy CCTV footage that 687 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,200 showed a tall figure dumping something in the park, believed 688 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,520 to be footage of Maxwell disposing of Sharda's body 689 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,960 parts. Let's not forget they were also 690 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,600 going to get those women up as witnesses to tell the court how 691 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,600 they had seen Maxwell hop out of Sharda's car, light it on fire 692 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,360 in broad daylight and walk away as if it was nothing. 693 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,960 And then of course, there was the DNA evidence, including a 694 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,200 new piece which was Maxwell's grey hoodie from the night of 695 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,720 the murder that had been found bundled up in his neighbour's 696 00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:41,040 bin. It was covered in Sharda's blood 697 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,600 and his own DNA. Look, there's no getting away 698 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,880 with murder here. It took the jury all of 40 699 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,360 minutes to deliberate and return with a guilty verdict. 700 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:56,080 Maxwell Anderson would pay in time for what he did to Sharder. 701 00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:59,760 When he's read the verdict, he actually, for the first time in 702 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,640 this whole case, looks like he's experiencing emotion. 703 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,200 He looks as if he's going to cry. 704 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,480 And then you remember it's only because it's over himself. 705 00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:10,800 He never cared about anyone but himself. 706 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:15,120 Sade's family gave really strong emotional statements. 707 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,720 Both her younger sister Adriana and her mother were pleading for 708 00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:21,800 Max to be given the maximum sentence. 709 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,880 And it's truly heartbreaking what her family went through 710 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,640 learning all of that information. 711 00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:29,720 Of what this man did to Sharday and what she went through in 712 00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:33,000 those final moments. And thank God for that guilty 713 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,800 verdict because I, like everyone else, really believed that they 714 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,760 stopped a serial killer in the making. 715 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,720 And you know what? We might actually have evidence 716 00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:44,840 that he was heading in that direction because during all of 717 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,360 this, another girl had gotten in touch with journalists saying 718 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,360 that Maxwell Anderson had taken her out for a date and taken her 719 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,680 back to his house, just like he had with Sharday. 720 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,520 And he tried to make her go down to the basement with him. 721 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,720 So I got a little bit of a shorter and he was like, do you 722 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:02,480 want to see the basement? And I was like, no, I'm. 723 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,400 OK, he's like it's. Creepy down there. 724 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,800 And I was like, no, that's OK. The woman also said that he had 725 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,840 dug a really large hole in his backyard, and actually, it was 726 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,640 still there at the time that he was caught for Sharda's murder. 727 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:21,160 So who knows what or who that hole was intended to be for. 728 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,400 Maxwell Anderson had a terrifying pattern in his 729 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,280 behavior. It should have never gotten to a 730 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,280 point where he killed even one woman. 731 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,120 But I actually want to cast your minds back to when police 732 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:35,120 searched his home and they found blood in his bedroom and in his 733 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,080 bathroom. That wasn't his. 734 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,880 That wasn't chardiers, it was never actually identified at 735 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,560 all. And that is absolutely 736 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,600 horrifying to think about that there could have been other 737 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,400 victims prior to Sharda that we are completely unaware of, and 738 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,560 that clearly if that is the case, those victims will not 739 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:57,640 have seen any kind of justice. It's all so bleak, but at least 740 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,280 Maxwell Anderson would be off the streets and out of society 741 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,320 forever more because the judge sentenced him to life in prison 742 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,160 without parole. Lock him up. 743 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,760 Throw away the fucking key. Sharda Mae Robinson was 19 years 744 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:16,520 old, 19, and already she had achieved so much more than he 745 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,760 had at the age of 33 when they met. 746 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,640 For a start, she had graduated early, she had a degree, she was 747 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,840 an exemplary employee, a precious daughter, a beautiful 748 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,800 friend. She was bright, she was bubbly. 749 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,480 She made everyone around her so happy. 750 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,400 She was going to prosper and do amazing things in her life, but 751 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,520 instead Maxwell Anderson murdered her in the most evil 752 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,560 way possible. Outside the pizza shop that 753 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:48,240 Sharda worked at, a mural of her was painted to commemorate her 754 00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:51,960 and to remember her. It's such a beautiful painting. 755 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,920 She has a Halo and she's up in the clouds finally resting. 756 00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:00,160 There is an epidemic right now of men murdering girls. 757 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,640 We are literally living through a femicide emergency. 758 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,440 Until men are able to treat this with the same fear and 759 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,400 seriousness that women do, I don't think we'll be able to 760 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,560 break out of it. We know that both in America and 761 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,520 here in Britain, we have active politicians and men in 762 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,920 governmental power with heinous allegations and guilty charges 763 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,200 against them for violence towards women. 764 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,600 How on earth are we going to be able to implement public safety 765 00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,560 for women and girls when they're not even safe with the men who 766 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,000 control our governments, the ones who make the policies and 767 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,080 uphold the laws? We are told so often to 768 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,560 prioritize our own safety, to wear different clothes, to not 769 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,600 go to certain places at certain times because you never know who 770 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,120 could be lurking there and what they might want to do to you. 771 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,360 But the fact of the matter is, no matter how women try to 772 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,120 prepare and arm themselves, if a man wants to kill her, he's 773 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,720 going to kill her. The issue needs to be dealt with 774 00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,920 at the root with the men, not with the women who fall victim 775 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,640 time and time and time again. What you see in the news and in 776 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,080 content like this is only the tip of the iceberg of this 777 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,040 epidemic. So many women are being killed 778 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,560 every week at the hands of men, and it is all of our 779 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,120 responsibility to scream and shout and get something done 780 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,800 about it. We need to see change that's 781 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,080 changing our governments and policies, changes in the media 782 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,840 from institutions, changes from us on an individual level. 783 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,080 I think men especially need to recognize the sexism and 784 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,800 misogyny that underlies each of these crimes. 785 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,400 And of course, it doesn't start with murder or abuse, does it? 786 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:42,640 It starts with small sexist comments and dodgy patterns 787 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,000 around women. Call out your mates, correct 788 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,880 them, confront them on their bad behaviour. 789 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,120 All of us have a part to play in ending the femicide emergency 790 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,000 that we are currently facing. Now, as we come to the end of 791 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,200 this episode, I want to take one last moment to remember Sade 792 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,880 Carlina Robinson. For the beautiful girl that she 793 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,400 was, inside and out. For her love of novels, cooking 794 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,320 for her loved ones, her dream to join the forces and to protect 795 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,720 others. For how independent she made 796 00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:16,600 herself at such a young age, for how much of an incredible woman 797 00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:20,080 she was becoming, and most importantly, for how many young 798 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:24,160 woman's lives she saved and changed in her work. 799 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,280 From all of us here at Outlaw, we send our sincere condolences 800 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,520 to the loved ones of Shade Robinson and that is all we have 801 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,080 for this episode. Thank you so much once again for 802 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,160 tuning in to Outlaw podcast. If you're watching this episode 803 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:39,840 on YouTube, don't forget to subscribe. 804 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,680 Leave us a like, leave us a comment. 805 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,920 I love reading the conversation that happens with every single 806 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,000 one of these episodes. I love how respectful and 807 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,680 thoughtful all of you are. I can't appreciate you enough. 808 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,840 This audience means the world to me. 809 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,920 If you're listening to this episode on a podcast platform, 810 00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,400 please rate as five stars. Again, leave us a comment. 811 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,720 I've been checking the comment sections on the podcast 812 00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:04,560 platforms. But all of that being said, I'll 813 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,640 see you in the next episode. Bye.