1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,960 OK, hear me out. You know that feeling when you 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,760 finally get home after a long day or if you work from home 3 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,880 like me, you close your office door for the night and you just 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,760 breathe and you exhale. Everyone breathe. 5 00:00:12,040 --> 00:00:15,840 That's what your space should feel like, like a sanctuary, a 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,280 place where you can truly unwind, let go of the stress and 7 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,800 just be. This is advice I'm giving to 8 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,960 myself because I've been taking on a lot at work. 9 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:29,640 And at the end of the day, if your bed is not the most 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,080 inviting, relaxing, luxurious part of your home, we need to 11 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:34,240 talk. Like, what are you doing? 12 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,120 So here's the thing. 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And I hate Pilling. 33 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,320 All of my sweaters are Pilling and I just can't stand it. 34 00:01:41,320 --> 00:01:43,920 And then you end up having to do all this extra work to de pill. 35 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,480 But the good news, as I said, is that Cozy Earth's materials mean 36 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,720 that there's no Pilling ever and it's guaranteed for 10 years. 37 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,560 Let's also talk about their bamboo pajamas because if you're 38 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,440 still sleeping in that old stretched out T-shirt, it is 39 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,680 time time for an upgrade. These are lightweight but cozy, 40 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,720 designed to help you fall asleep faster and stay asleep longer. 41 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,080 Types of pajamas. It's the kind of comfort that 42 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:06,640 makes you want to lounge all day. 43 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,440 And by the way, I don't know if my mom is going to hear this, 44 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,520 but this is what I'm going to get her for Mother's Day. 45 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,240 Mother's Day is coming up. And I always, this is terrible, 46 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,920 but I always end up being like, Oh my gosh, that's Mother's Day. 47 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:23,080 But now luckily I have a heads up and I'm reminding myself and 48 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:24,240 you that Mother's Day is coming up. 49 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:29,280 So by your mother, your spouse, your, I don't know, dog mom, 50 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,920 something amazing like these bamboo pajamas or the sheet set 51 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,840 to really make their Mother's Day special. 52 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,640 As a matter of fact, I'm going to ask my husband to get me the 53 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:42,480 bamboo pajamas because I am sleeping in that old stretched 54 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,800 out T-shirt and it is time for an upgrade. 55 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,400 So here's the thing. 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Because it is so helpful for 73 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:44,840 them to know that my discussion with you about having this most 74 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,880 fabulous 5 to 9 after your nine to five impacted you in some 75 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:50,880 way. And by the way, like I said, the 76 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,640 first thing that I'm buying not only for my mother, but also for 77 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:59,160 the other mothers in my life are those cozy, fabulous bamboo 78 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,280 pajamas. So let's prioritize sleep, 79 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:03,760 prioritize. You sleep better with cozy 80 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,360 earth. Welcome to the Bringing the 81 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,360 human back to human Resources podcast. 82 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,520 I'm Tracy Chernoff, and I've spent my entire professional 83 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,480 career in HR. Each week, we'll explore the 84 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,720 delicate balance between people and business with the aim to 85 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,240 reconnect the two and create meaningful outcomes. 86 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,720 Listen in as I share my own experiences, challenge the 87 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,280 status quo, and chat with guests from various industries about 88 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:29,320 our mission to bring the human back to human resources. 89 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,560 Hi everyone, welcome back to the Bringing the Human Back to Human 90 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,400 Resources podcast. Thank you so much for being here 91 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,320 for another week. Don't forget to rate, review, 92 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,080 and subscribe wherever you're catching this episode. 93 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,840 And if you're watching on YouTube or Spotify, leave a 94 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:44,920 comment, give a thumbs up, share in general, whether you're 95 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,280 listening or watching, share this episode with a friend. 96 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,360 Share the podcast with a friend. A couple of housekeeping items 97 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,760 here. One, the podcast is officially 98 00:04:54,840 --> 00:04:59,640 five years old, which is insane. The very first episode came out, 99 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,120 I think it was November 2nd and 2020. 100 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:09,000 So that is wild considering it's now been five years, which is 101 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,720 kind of unbelievable. Like I always say that, you 102 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,640 know, whether you're doing something or not, the time is 103 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,280 going to pass. This is what ultimately led me 104 00:05:18,280 --> 00:05:20,360 to getting my masters because I was like, you know what? 105 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,760 I can only go part time because I, I, I'm not willing to take on 106 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,560 more student loans. I have to be able to work and 107 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,600 pay for school as I go. And so I went part time and I 108 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,440 remember friends. Oh my gosh, there's so many deer 109 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,880 in the back. Sorry. 110 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,560 Oh, it looks like a little baby, but maybe an adolescent deer 111 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,640 because they no longer have spots. 112 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:45,920 Anyway, sorry nature. So when I was going for my 113 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,120 master's, I remember I had friends who were like part time. 114 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,160 Wouldn't you rather just do full time and get it over with? 115 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,960 And I was like, yeah, of course, but I can't afford to do that. 116 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,800 I need to, you know, work. And also I didn't really want a 117 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,360 gap in my work. I kind of just wanted to do 118 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,440 both. And I was like, the time is 119 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,960 going to pass anyway. So whether I do it part time or 120 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,920 do it full time, like at the end, the outcome is the same. 121 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:10,760 I have a degree, I have another degree, right? 122 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,600 So that tends to be one of the mottos that I live by is that 123 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,040 you can either choose to do something with the time that is 124 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,640 passing either way, or you choose to do nothing and that's 125 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,360 OK. Like some people don't want to 126 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:25,160 do much more with their time and that is totally fine. 127 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,400 But if you are looking to continue your education or take 128 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,160 on a new hobby, the time is going to pass anyway. 129 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,680 So do it. Even if it's once a month, just 130 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,320 do it anyway. So I digress that that is my 131 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,880 outlook on the last five years is that wow, I got married, I 132 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:49,120 have kids, I've switched jobs, all while still recording this 133 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,360 podcast. And so I just wanted to thank 134 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,960 you for being here. Whether you are new here or 135 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:55,720 whether you've been here since day one. 136 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,920 I appreciate that you are one of the listeners of my show. 137 00:07:01,840 --> 00:07:05,000 And the second housekeeping item is that this is actually going 138 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,600 to be the last episode of 2025. I know, crazy. 139 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,240 If you've been here at least for the last year, you know that I 140 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:16,880 generally take the last couple of weeks of December off and the 141 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,800 first week of January off. But of course there will be 142 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,200 episodes starting. Let me check my production 143 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,560 schedule that our first episode of 2026 will launch on January 144 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,560 6th. So still so much to look forward 145 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,640 to. I think that's awesome. 146 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,680 Oh yeah, I have January 6th duplicated now. 147 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,240 Yeah, no, January 6th we have an episode. 148 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,880 How exciting. Actually, it's going to be a 149 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,160 Policy Pulse episode. It's going to be the first one 150 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,160 of 2026. So we're going to kick off the 151 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:51,440 new year with what 2026 might have in store for us. 152 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,400 And I'm realizing now, based on what I'm recording, I have to 153 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,360 start watching Hallmark movies. I need to I need to get myself 154 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:04,120 into the winter mood and the holiday spirit Wild. 155 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,320 It's amazing how time flies. So anyway, take my motto as you 156 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,080 will and thank you for being here through all of 2025 and 157 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,480 beyond 2025 if you've been here even longer. 158 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:19,840 So this week I wanted to kind of use this solo episode almost as 159 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:24,920 like a like a catch up and a catch all some topics that are 160 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:29,040 are well, one topic in particular is like really top of 161 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:34,799 mind for me right now because at work, my team and I have noticed 162 00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:40,159 like an increase and an influx in very obviously AI generated 163 00:08:40,159 --> 00:08:46,040 resumes and applications. And I thought it would be 164 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:50,000 helpful to talk about on the episode or on the podcast this 165 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,720 week because it's kind of like a cautionary tale and a word to 166 00:08:53,720 --> 00:09:00,000 the wise for all of you who maybe are using AI to create 167 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:04,720 your resumes or paying for a program to apply to jobs for 168 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,440 you. So let's let's take the resume 169 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,440 piece first. I think it's very obvious when 170 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,720 someone uses AI to generate their resume. 171 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:18,280 It's not like very specific. Usually there aren't any 172 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:21,800 statistics, you know, or data points, I should say. 173 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:28,240 Metrics generally, it kind of just reads as like any other 174 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,640 resume that might come through for a particular job. 175 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:38,280 And certainly it tends to fall flat in terms of having like 176 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,000 personality. Whereas when someone creates 177 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,080 their own resume or they hire someone like me to help them 178 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,120 write a resume, there's more of a personal touch and you can 179 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:54,120 kind of feel the, the person's individuality and also their 180 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,480 passions and what they focus on what they want out of a job. 181 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,280 And of course, it's very easy for anyone to take their resume, 182 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,120 take a job description that they see online and say, dear Chachi 183 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:11,440 PT or Claude or Gemini, please match my resume to this job 184 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,280 description, right? Because of course, candidates 185 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:19,520 know that AI is often used in hiring and so when there's a a 186 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,600 higher percentage of a resume matching a job description, 187 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,400 maybe that increases their chances of getting an interview 188 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,240 that, you know, totally intrinsic, right? 189 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:34,920 However, I think the cautionary tale here is that, you know, 190 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,520 there is a person hopefully on the other end of the hiring 191 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:44,680 process who is looking at your resume and you know, is 192 00:10:44,680 --> 00:10:46,680 potentially thinking, what is this? 193 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:48,480 Like, what am I getting from this person? 194 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:53,080 And even if the job description and the resume might match it, 195 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:58,200 it doesn't necessarily mean that that candidate is moving on to 196 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,720 the next phase of the recruiting process just simply because it's 197 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,600 so obvious that they, you know, have maybe generated their 198 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,640 resume completely or solely through AI. 199 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:15,880 So that's the first thing. The second is that when let's 200 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:20,600 say someone effectively, you know, uses AI to generate their 201 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:25,400 resume and they get an interview, that that resume 202 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,480 being generated by AI does not necessarily mean that you've 203 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,680 actually done the things on the resume that it says that you've 204 00:11:32,680 --> 00:11:35,280 done. And so you go into an interview 205 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:41,280 and the hiring team asks questions about how you've LED 206 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:46,320 projects, what you've done specifically to, you know, kind 207 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,240 of execute or achieve on the things that that your resume 208 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,840 says that you have accomplished. And you don't necessarily have 209 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,800 an answer. That's not great. 210 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:01,080 And frankly, the way I kind of look at the world is that you 211 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,400 get 1 reputation. You don't get really a redo on 212 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,480 your reputation. Like we can think of celebrities 213 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,880 and all these people, sure, who maybe get like a second chance 214 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:14,720 at building up their names or, you know, revitalizing their 215 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,640 reputations. But it's much harder for for us 216 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:21,360 normies out here like once and industries are really small. 217 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:27,160 So once you've made a name for yourself that you don't actually 218 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:31,120 have the experience and you, you like falsified your resume or 219 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:35,960 you, you embellished on your resume so much that you didn't 220 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,400 actually pass an interview round, like that's not great. 221 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,360 It doesn't look good. And hiring teams generally 222 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,400 remember that because it doesn't happen that often. 223 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,040 It's happening a little bit more often now, I think, but it 224 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,280 doesn't happen often enough where it's like, oh, just 225 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,000 another, you know, another person where I'm experiencing 226 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:56,920 this. No, it's like, oh, this person 227 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:01,000 named so and so obviously over embellished their resume. 228 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:06,240 It's just not a good idea. And then I have to ask, what 229 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,640 happens if you get the job and you don't actually have the 230 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,960 capabilities or the skills to execute on the things that your 231 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:21,200 resume has overly embellished as a, as something that you can 232 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:22,680 effectively do? Like then what? 233 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,600 Then thinking about your reputation again, that's even 234 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,960 worse because then, you know, you've made a name for yourself 235 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:33,120 with more than just the hiring team and you're not going to 236 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,160 succeed. Like you're like most people in 237 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:36,800 that circumstance are going to fail. 238 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:41,080 And it's just, you know, and then the question is, well, they 239 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:42,840 said that they had all this experience. 240 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,600 They their resume showed they've done these things. 241 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,920 But when you get to the job and you can't actually execute or 242 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,520 achieve on the things that you, you know, allegedly had achieved 243 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:59,400 before, that's problematic. So seeing this recently made me 244 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:03,760 want to share with all of you that I would highly encourage 245 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,720 you to stay away from, you know, solely using AI to generate, 246 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:11,600 generate your resumes. Now, certainly if you have your 247 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,600 resume and you've created it or you've worked with someone like 248 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:19,720 me to create your resume, you can always say, hey, dear AI 249 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:25,560 generative AI tool, how does my resume match up with this 250 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,880 particular job description? What would make it stronger? 251 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:32,560 What makes it weak? And in those cases, the, you 252 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:37,120 know, ChatGPT or whatever tool will say, oh, you know, this is 253 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:38,640 either a good match or not a great match. 254 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:43,640 And here's where you can, you know, elevate your resume and 255 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,880 assuming that you actually have that experience, then that it 256 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:52,160 gives good feedback on that. But I would really, really, 257 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:56,520 really stay away from saying, dear, dear AI tool, please 258 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,240 create a resume for me that matches the this job 259 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:00,920 description. It's just a bad idea. 260 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,840 And like I said, I think it's very obvious when that happens. 261 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,440 And you know, the other thing on this topic that I've thought 262 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:15,480 about is that a colleague of mine had was, was conducting an 263 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,240 interview for someone and this person, you know, it's a video 264 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,400 interview. This person had the camera like 265 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,840 you can't say if you're watching, you can see, but 266 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,800 basically like starting at their chin. 267 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,960 And so there wasn't like a full kind of like frame in the video. 268 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,600 And my colleague said that it was pretty obvious that this 269 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:44,080 candidate was using AI to support answering, support them 270 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,040 and answering questions that my colleague would ask. 271 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:52,200 And he said that he noticed this or like could tell that that's 272 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,400 what was happening because he would ask a very specific 273 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,840 question. And I guess, you know, maybe at 274 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,000 some level this candidate was using their phone to, you know, 275 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,680 use dictation and get the question in from my colleague. 276 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,960 And then they would just kind of rattle off what Traci PT or 277 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,520 whatever tool they were using kind of wrote out for them. 278 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:18,760 And he said that the questions that he asked or the answers 279 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:24,440 that the candidate shared often did not even match the questions 280 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,080 that he asked. And so again, like from a 281 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,920 reputation standpoint, what are you doing? 282 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:34,320 Like that's just, you know, I understand that and I know that 283 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,720 it's a very, very challenging job market. 284 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:41,640 And this I think is what is kind of creating some of the pressure 285 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:49,320 for people to resort to like completely relying on AI, you 286 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,200 know, to get interviews, to get jobs. 287 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,000 But that's just really bad like that. 288 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,240 That's something that you really don't come back from and it does 289 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,800 tarnish your reputation. You never know who could be your 290 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,520 next boss or hiring manager. Like you just never know. 291 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,400 So just think about your reputation first before anything 292 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,359 else. And yeah, so anyway, my 293 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,640 colleague said that it was like super obvious and it was just a 294 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,680 really, really bad interview, even though the candidate was 295 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:25,359 obviously very smart and and successful, at least based on 296 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,800 what their resume, you know, the story of their resume told. 297 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:35,640 And I, I wonder like if this reliance on AI comes from like 298 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:43,760 a, a lack of confidence or maybe like a a lack of maybe self 299 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,080 esteem. I don't know if it's probably 300 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:51,240 confidence, but I think about if someone feels so inclined to 301 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,640 fully use AI when they're, especially when they're 302 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,560 interviewing, like in the interview, it really it's either 303 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:02,320 there's a lack of confidence or they actually have 0 experience 304 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,000 and everything is a lie. The resume is a lie, their 305 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,800 experience is a lie that, you know, I don't know, I, I would 306 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:13,360 like to think that that's not the case, but that certainly is 307 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:15,040 kind of the read that I'm getting. 308 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,680 And the other thing is, again, like knowing that the job market 309 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,000 is really tough. Maybe it's like a desperation 310 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,000 thing, like I need to do anything that I can to get this 311 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,760 job. But all I can say is that the, 312 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:32,200 the more prepared you are for an interview, the better it's going 313 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,760 to go. AI is not going to land you the 314 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,720 job, but AI can help you to prepare for the interview. 315 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:43,480 And I work with a lot of clients on their resumes and interview 316 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:48,840 prep skills and, and courses. And so when I work with clients 317 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:55,120 on getting prepared for interviews, like there's no harm 318 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:58,480 in saying, OK, like, you know, this is I give people a workbook 319 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,400 when I work with them. But I also say like, you know, 320 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,720 leverage AI. You can say like, hey, ask me 321 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,720 some interview questions and then I'll answer them. 322 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,040 And then you can type in your answer and AI will tell you, 323 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,640 well, this is how you can make that answer stronger. 324 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,920 Like it's all about how we use these tools. 325 00:19:16,120 --> 00:19:19,440 I think it's not this like all or nothing approach. 326 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,440 And I think I've said that before on the podcast that I 327 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:29,000 don't see AI as this replacement theory tool or something that 328 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:35,160 can like fully basically replace like what a human can do. 329 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,000 Whereas like, you know, I don't know, I grew up like practicing 330 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:42,280 interviews with like my parents, you know, and like friends. 331 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,080 And I just don't think that AI can necessarily replace that 332 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,280 entirely. But AI can certainly strengthen 333 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,520 our competency and help us think about things that maybe we 334 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,800 otherwise didn't think about. And so when I think about it's 335 00:19:55,800 --> 00:20:01,560 the how we use the tool kind of concept instead of seeing this 336 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,560 like black and white, OK, I have to use AI to generate my resume. 337 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,120 I have to use AI to apply to jobs. 338 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:09,400 I have to use AI to to interview successfully. 339 00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:13,640 You can instead say I need to use AI to ensure that I'm most 340 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:18,320 prepared or that I have all of the that I'm thinking about all 341 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:23,800 of the ways that I can, you know, effectively communicate my 342 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,600 experience. And there's so many great ways 343 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,320 to use AI. But again, this all or nothing 344 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:34,200 thing does not work. And then finally, my other 345 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:39,520 thought on AI is that in the last like couple of weeks, we've 346 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:44,720 noticed my colleagues and I have noticed that we're getting like 347 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:50,080 a ton of emails where people are basically sending an e-mail to 348 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,440 like the recruiting team to my team saying, hey, I saw this job 349 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,240 posted and like, I'm interested in applying and here's my 350 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,080 resume. And it's from like a company, 351 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:05,640 first of all, I would say pretty confidently that people are not 352 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,400 going to be clicking or opening attachments, clicking links or 353 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,240 opening attachments from unknown senders. 354 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:16,200 So this is red flag number one. But red flag number 2 is that 355 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,440 it's these we've researched these companies and they're 356 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,680 companies that people pay to have apply to jobs for them. 357 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:30,960 So to give you context here, if someone is looking for like a 358 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:35,960 sales job, right, they can pay the a particular company to take 359 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:40,160 their resume and apply to jobs that match basically any job 360 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:44,080 that matches their preferences, remote, hybrid, in person, 361 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:48,720 certain salary, certain job titles, certain locations. 362 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:54,720 And then those companies will just like, you know, spam apply 363 00:21:54,720 --> 00:22:00,160 all of those openings and like, maybe it works for some people, 364 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:06,120 but I couldn't imagine if someone has paid this a 365 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:10,880 particular company and then they get a job interview and they 366 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,280 actually have no idea what job it is they've applied for. 367 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,440 They have to then go and look for the job description and they 368 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,120 have to do all this research. And it's just like a very, it's 369 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:25,080 kind of like a, a bizarre concept to me, but maybe it 370 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,400 works in that, you know, statistically, the more jobs 371 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,440 that you apply to, maybe, you know, you're more likely to get 372 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,240 more interviews. But a lot of people will make 373 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,520 the argument, like a lot of thought leaders in the 374 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,400 recruiting space will make the argument that you have to be 375 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:43,520 really precise about the jobs that you apply to, not just, you 376 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:48,440 know, kind of this spray and pray approach. 377 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,840 And that you have to like really be specific about industry and 378 00:22:52,840 --> 00:23:00,360 job and in the the all the insurance and outs that the job 379 00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:02,760 requires within the job description. 380 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,760 So I will say that those companies that are just like 381 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,000 sending resumes to people's emails, like that's just not 382 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,840 going to work. I don't know anyone. 383 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,320 Yeah, no, I don't know anyone who is seeing an applicant come 384 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,560 through over e-mail from an unknown, from a company, not 385 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:21,920 from the person's personal e-mail. 386 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,640 That's a little bit different, but from a company and then is 387 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,160 like, Oh yeah, let me open this unknown senders attachment. 388 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,320 It just doesn't happen. Doesn't make any sense, but 389 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,120 certainly an applicant. I have seen applicants get 390 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:39,360 through the door by sending emails from their own e-mail 391 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:42,160 address where they're like, hey, I love your company. 392 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,000 I've been looking out for jobs. I see this job. 393 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,240 I think I'd be a great fit. That's different, but to come 394 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,680 from a company like your, your resume is just not going to 395 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,560 look, get looked at. I don't know, at least not from 396 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,160 anyone that I know. And I know a handful of people 397 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,760 who make hiring decisions and I just don't think it's effective. 398 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,960 And frankly, you might get caught up in the spam filter 399 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,600 anyway. So that it's like, what are you 400 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,640 paying for? Why are you paying this company 401 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:10,080 or whatever companies to have this like spray and pray 402 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,240 approach to your career? Like at some level you have to 403 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,160 be involved. So I don't know, maybe I have 404 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,280 like a little bit of an old school mentality on that. 405 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,800 I don't know. I know the job market's tough. 406 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:28,400 I know that it tends to land people in this like situation or 407 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,440 predicament where they're like, I'm just going to do anything 408 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,080 that I can. And I totally can understand 409 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,400 that. I also think that, you know, if 410 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,000 you are without a job, like paying these companies money 411 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,880 that you otherwise are not earning on a regular basis is 412 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,040 probably a waste. And it would be better for you 413 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,920 to work with like a headhunter or a recruiter or someone in 414 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:54,800 your network and pay them to help you get a job rather than 415 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,640 paying these companies that actually probably do not care 416 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,720 about you that much. So that's my, I don't know if 417 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,160 it's a hot take, but that's my take. 418 00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:07,800 I'm curious if any of you have used these companies before or 419 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,360 if you've, you know, been successful in having AI like 420 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,160 generate your resumes or apply for you to different jobs. 421 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,840 I'm very curious. So if you can e-mail me or 422 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:23,440 comment on this podcast episode, I would really appreciate it 423 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,600 because then I'll, I'll have a little bit of a greater insight 424 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,800 into what is kind of going on around town, so to speak, and 425 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,960 what people are doing and why. So my e-mail is 426 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,320 contact@hrtracy.com and you can you can send me your thoughts 427 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,440 there. And of course, I can always keep 428 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:46,400 you anonymous as I've kept many, not guests, but many listener 429 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:51,640 comments anonymous in the past. So those are my thoughts for the 430 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,600 last episode of 2025. I think when we go into 2026, of 431 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,160 course, we're going to continue to see a lot of discussion 432 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,920 around AI that is like 1000% without a doubt, we're going to 433 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,960 continue to talk about it. And I also think it'll be very 434 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,720 interesting to see how the landscape evolves, whether it's 435 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,520 workplaces, whether it's the government regulation, It'll be 436 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,640 interesting to see. And certainly I think that, you 437 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,640 know, the job market hopefully will get better. 438 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:25,680 But I do think certainly it will be even more competitive because 439 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:32,160 of AI, because, you know, maybe there are some jobs that have 440 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:37,640 reduced in quantity as a result of companies streamlining a 441 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,040 little bit of their operations, whatever that might be. 442 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,400 Again, I don't believe in the replacement theory concept, but 443 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,920 I do think that the competitiveness in the job 444 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,440 market will continue to increase. 445 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:53,080 And frankly, this is where I think working with someone who 446 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,280 can help you craft a really strong resume, really strong 447 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:02,520 cover letter, whatever it is is that you might use Will be all 448 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:06,040 the more worthwhile. And so that is also a humble 449 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,560 plug that I do work with clients on their resumes, on their 450 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,840 interview skills, on their cover letters, on their BIOS, 451 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,160 especially executive BIOS. So if that's something that 452 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,840 you'd ever like to work with me on, you can always reach out 453 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,120 contact at hrtracy.com and we can work together. 454 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,960 And that's kind of everything for 2025. 455 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,480 I really appreciate you being here for the whole year and 456 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,200 beyond, if you've been here again for more than just a year. 457 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:37,640 And I look forward to catching up in 2026 and seeing all of the 458 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,040 things that kind of come down the line. 459 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,640 And by the way, we have some unbelievable guests lined up for 460 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,920 2026. I've had already some amazing 461 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,720 conversations that I think are really going to take the podcast 462 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,800 to the next level. So stay tuned for that. 463 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,040 Yeah. So have a wonderful end of year, 464 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,400 have a very happy holiday season, whatever holiday you 465 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,080 might celebrate, if any, and happy new year as well. 466 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,720 See you in 2026. May it be a fabulous year ahead. 467 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,080 Thank you so much. Bye. 468 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,560 Hey, just before you go, don't forget to subscribe to the show 469 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,440 so that you are the first to hear when an episode drops each 470 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,920 week and maybe leave a five star review and a comment about how 471 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,680 much you loved this episode. Plus, if you have someone in 472 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,160 mind who really enjoyed this episode, make sure you share it 473 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,160 with them. 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