1 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:05,700 Welcome to the bringing the human Back To Human Resources, 2 00:00:05,700 --> 00:00:09,100 podcast, the podcast, all about the delicate balance between 3 00:00:09,100 --> 00:00:12,000 people and business. And quite literally reconnecting 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,800 the to my name is Tracy Ruben and I've spent nearly my entire 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,400 professional career in a jar, join me as I share stories, 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,400 opinions and words of advice with you each week. 7 00:00:26,500 --> 00:00:29,200 Hello everyone. Welcome back to the podcast. 8 00:00:29,300 --> 00:00:34,600 Happy Tuesday, we are getting closer and closer to the year 9 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,100 anniversary of this podcast and now it's all I can think about 10 00:00:38,100 --> 00:00:39,900 all. 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I hope to see you there. 39 00:02:11,100 --> 00:02:15,700 So I wanted to talk about certifications and I guess in 40 00:02:15,700 --> 00:02:21,100 general HR certifications because I've gotten a ton, a ton 41 00:02:21,100 --> 00:02:24,200 of questions about this through my DMs in. 42 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,500 Recent weeks, but especially in the last few days. 43 00:02:27,500 --> 00:02:31,100 Actually, I wonder if there's like, I don't know, another 44 00:02:31,100 --> 00:02:35,100 shift happening in the workforce but because you all tend to be 45 00:02:35,100 --> 00:02:39,300 part of those trends, like those the Ebbs and flows of the 46 00:02:39,300 --> 00:02:43,400 workforce, I always get questions, I kind of go along 47 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,500 with what the rest of the world is kind of experiencing at 48 00:02:47,500 --> 00:02:49,500 least. That's what I've noticed and the 49 00:02:49,500 --> 00:02:53,000 question that I get a lot or I have been getting a lot is 50 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:58,300 whether or not Certifications in h.r. are worth it, worth the 51 00:02:58,300 --> 00:03:03,700 money and if they will help you as an individual or on the 52 00:03:03,700 --> 00:03:06,900 individual basis. So I want to first break down 53 00:03:06,900 --> 00:03:12,100 that or I guess maybe for share that, I don't hold today. 54 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:17,700 At least, I don't hold any Sherm or P HR HR CI. 55 00:03:17,900 --> 00:03:21,300 Certifications, if you're not familiar with those 56 00:03:21,300 --> 00:03:24,200 abbreviations, they are basically providers. 57 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,100 Four different certifications. So, Sherm is the Society of 58 00:03:28,100 --> 00:03:33,500 Human Resources. HR CI is the HR certification 59 00:03:33,500 --> 00:03:37,600 Institute, they have, like, a ton of different learning 60 00:03:37,700 --> 00:03:39,500 courses and certification courses. 61 00:03:40,500 --> 00:03:45,100 And then PHR is kind of part of that, like, part of HR CI. 62 00:03:45,100 --> 00:03:50,700 So, you know, through HR CI, you can take different certification 63 00:03:50,700 --> 00:03:54,200 courses and different exams so like, aphr. 64 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,000 Associate professional in Human Resources. 65 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:02,400 PHR is professional in Human Resources, sphr. 66 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,700 I is senior professional and eight in human resources 67 00:04:05,700 --> 00:04:08,100 International. So there are all of these 68 00:04:08,100 --> 00:04:10,700 different types of certification options. 69 00:04:10,700 --> 00:04:13,400 They're all so different, like learning courses through HR CI, 70 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,800 which is really and Sherm has different resources as well 71 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,500 naturally. Because I mean they also have 72 00:04:20,500 --> 00:04:24,200 like a whole portal of content and documents. 73 00:04:24,300 --> 00:04:27,800 It's and things that can help you as an HR professional. 74 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:33,500 So, both platforms and organizations are definitely 75 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:38,900 built out and options if you want to pursue a certification 76 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:44,400 in h.r., in some area. So yeah, like I said, I don't 77 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,400 today I don't have any certifications and actually, I 78 00:04:48,408 --> 00:04:51,800 don't know that I will ever get a certification. 79 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,200 It's just not something that I today. 80 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,700 At least maybe in a few years, I'll feel differently but today, 81 00:04:57,700 --> 00:05:02,200 I don't feel it's necessary for my career, my trajectory or 82 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:07,000 anything like that, but I do have a master's degree and maybe 83 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,800 if I didn't have a master's degree, I'd feel differently. 84 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:11,700 I don't know. We're going to break this down. 85 00:05:11,700 --> 00:05:18,200 So I want to First say that I'm going to speak into different 86 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,900 like wavelengths. The first is for the person who 87 00:05:21,900 --> 00:05:26,300 doesn't have any HR experience or Amal HR experience, meaning 88 00:05:26,300 --> 00:05:30,700 like one to two years at most. And then I'm going to speak on 89 00:05:30,700 --> 00:05:34,100 the wavelength of someone like me who has more than eight years 90 00:05:34,100 --> 00:05:38,900 or more than five years of experience Hands-On HR specific 91 00:05:38,900 --> 00:05:42,300 experience. So, on the first wave length, 92 00:05:42,300 --> 00:05:48,800 for those of you who have little to no experience, certifications 93 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:55,700 might be more critical to your ability to Get into HR or 94 00:05:55,700 --> 00:05:59,600 critical to your ability to grow in HR and I say this because 95 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,700 there are certain certifications that give you experience or 96 00:06:03,900 --> 00:06:07,700 maybe it's not experience but give you knowledge into things 97 00:06:07,700 --> 00:06:12,600 that you would only otherwise get through experience. 98 00:06:13,100 --> 00:06:19,000 So certifications in my opinion, are really good for those who 99 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:24,300 don't have that Hands-On HR experience, or who need to To 100 00:06:24,308 --> 00:06:28,700 expand their HR experience. So for those of you who don't 101 00:06:28,700 --> 00:06:33,700 have more than a year or two in a jar or who are looking to 102 00:06:33,700 --> 00:06:37,200 transition into HR, I think that a certification could be really 103 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,900 worth it for you but there are pros and cons to becoming 104 00:06:40,900 --> 00:06:45,900 certified at any level. The first is actually I don't 105 00:06:45,900 --> 00:06:50,700 know that certifications are stronger than experience. 106 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,000 They actually, I think in h.r., they're not stronger than 107 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,600 expected. and so this is why I say, we'll talk about the other 108 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:02,000 wavelength, like if you already have experience but thinking 109 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,500 through those of you who don't have experience or have minimal 110 00:07:04,500 --> 00:07:09,900 experience, if the certification is no I don't want you to go 111 00:07:09,900 --> 00:07:13,600 into a certification course thinking it's going to get you a 112 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,500 job in h.r. or that it's going to give you all of the knowledge 113 00:07:17,500 --> 00:07:21,900 that you would otherwise receive from years of experience because 114 00:07:21,900 --> 00:07:26,100 it won't, it definitely will give you Exposure and a level of 115 00:07:26,100 --> 00:07:29,500 understanding that you don't currently possess which is 116 00:07:29,500 --> 00:07:32,300 worthwhile that is definitely worth something. 117 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,900 But I definitely encourage you to, you know, take a step back 118 00:07:35,900 --> 00:07:39,800 and remember that this is not going to replace years of 119 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,800 experience years of experienced. Me always Trump's what you can 120 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:48,000 learn in like a classroom or on a test or a certification course 121 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,700 because that Hands-On experiences to me the best way 122 00:07:51,700 --> 00:07:55,300 to learn. Anyway, let's Get Sherm. 123 00:07:55,300 --> 00:07:59,900 So Society of Human Resources, they offer different 124 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:05,200 certification courses, right? So the Nuance here about Sherm 125 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,100 is that they do require you to have a certain amount of 126 00:08:09,100 --> 00:08:13,000 experience to take their certifications or certain 127 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,000 certifications. Like I went onto their website 128 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,100 and I looked as if I have a bachelor's degree or am earning 129 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:24,100 a bachelor's degree and less than two years of HR experience. 130 00:08:24,300 --> 00:08:27,800 It's and they're like, sorry, you're not eligible but you 131 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,300 might be eligible or might be interested in these different 132 00:08:31,300 --> 00:08:33,700 specialty credentials that you can get. 133 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:38,700 So these specialty credential is actually to meet make a whole 134 00:08:38,700 --> 00:08:43,799 lot of sense for someone who is like trying to expand their 135 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:48,400 knowledge and demonstrate a certain skill set to break into 136 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,200 HR. I think it's a little you know, 137 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,800 uncool that they don't have a certification course for 138 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,100 someone. Looking who doesn't like 139 00:08:56,100 --> 00:08:59,700 currently have HR experience and will break down? 140 00:08:59,700 --> 00:09:06,200 Why H RH R CI does this? I think a little bit better, but 141 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,400 anyway, in Sharm, they have these specialty courses. 142 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,900 So like one of them that I'm looking at now is the California 143 00:09:12,900 --> 00:09:17,900 law HR specialty credential, and this is actually really cool. 144 00:09:18,100 --> 00:09:22,600 You can learn about the wage and hour laws privacy and security 145 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,900 laws. Workers compensation, leave of 146 00:09:25,900 --> 00:09:30,300 absence employee relations. And I have to say California is 147 00:09:30,300 --> 00:09:32,800 very litigious. So for someone who, you know, 148 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,000 maybe you're based in like Nevada and you're looking to 149 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:37,900 move to California, but you're not going to be able to get an 150 00:09:37,900 --> 00:09:40,500 HR job. If you don't have any California 151 00:09:40,500 --> 00:09:44,100 Employment experience, this could be a really great option. 152 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,500 I don't know the cost of it. Maybe if I click here and I see 153 00:09:48,500 --> 00:09:51,600 the cost because then I then I could tell you if it's going to. 154 00:09:51,608 --> 00:09:55,400 Whoa whoa. This was a real life. 155 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,100 Real time reaction. Oh my gosh. 156 00:10:00,900 --> 00:10:06,700 You guys sixteen hundred dollars for a member nineteen hundred 157 00:10:06,700 --> 00:10:11,200 dollars for a non-member. Don't take it, don't do that, 158 00:10:11,700 --> 00:10:15,000 don't waste your money. I'll give you a training course. 159 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:19,000 I'll give you training course. I will roll out training courses 160 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:23,100 that teach you and maybe you won't get the credential maybe 161 00:10:23,100 --> 00:10:27,200 one day, I can have a certified training course but that is 162 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,900 wildly out of control two thousand dollars. 163 00:10:31,700 --> 00:10:34,900 I want to take this so I could see if it's worth it. 164 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,200 If anyone from Sherm is listening to this, Please. 165 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,400 I would love to demo these courses and actually determine 166 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,300 if it's if the value is there. Whoa! 167 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:48,400 Wow! Okay. 168 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,600 Well, that was a real time reaction. 169 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,200 Holy smokes. Okay, I'm not editing that out, 170 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,300 like, I'm keeping that because that's a real reaction. 171 00:10:58,300 --> 00:11:03,600 Wow, I would never, I mean, maybe companies would pay for 172 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,900 you, but again you're not going to necessarily get hired if you 173 00:11:07,900 --> 00:11:10,300 don't. The HR experience and it's 174 00:11:10,300 --> 00:11:15,200 something that is a compliance driven roll, so like you would 175 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,700 be paying the two thousand dollars, no. 176 00:11:17,900 --> 00:11:22,300 Don't do that okey-dokey well, so there's that right? 177 00:11:22,300 --> 00:11:25,700 Like now you have some stuff to reflect on like two thousand 178 00:11:25,700 --> 00:11:28,100 dollars for a course. That's a credential course, is 179 00:11:28,100 --> 00:11:32,100 not even a certification course, there are courses, that are 180 00:11:32,500 --> 00:11:34,500 actually less expensive than that. 181 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,700 I would really someone's taken that. 182 00:11:36,700 --> 00:11:39,900 Please let me know if it's Reuven, its value proven it's 183 00:11:39,900 --> 00:11:45,000 worth anyway, I would like to kind of leave Sherm where it's 184 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,300 at so we could see some of the pitfalls, right? 185 00:11:47,300 --> 00:11:51,700 We could see some of the cons to the Sherm offerings. 186 00:11:51,900 --> 00:11:54,100 Like you have to have a certain amount of experience and its 187 00:11:54,100 --> 00:11:56,800 really freaking expensive. Okay. 188 00:11:57,900 --> 00:12:04,600 HRC I on the other hand does have like entry level. 189 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:06,700 Let's call it entry level certifications. 190 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,000 So when you go and you To see because you can go to all of 191 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,300 these websites and I will link them, obviously, in the show 192 00:12:12,300 --> 00:12:15,600 notes as I always do, you can go and you can figure out like, 193 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,400 which certification is right for you. 194 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:23,300 And so when I click to basically figure out like, you know, what, 195 00:12:23,300 --> 00:12:28,500 I would best fit with like, which certification is best for 196 00:12:28,500 --> 00:12:31,100 me. I again, did it based on no 197 00:12:31,100 --> 00:12:37,000 years of experience and this AP HR certification came out 198 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,700 associate Oil in Human Resources. 199 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:44,900 So it covers HR operations employee relations recruitment. 200 00:12:44,900 --> 00:12:49,200 Compensation benefits HR development, retention Health, 201 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,900 Safety and Security but most of it is covering HR Ops employee 202 00:12:52,900 --> 00:12:56,400 relations and recruitment. Which if you are, if you don't 203 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,100 have any experience, those are the three categories that are 204 00:12:59,100 --> 00:13:02,900 probably the most important to for your development. 205 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:08,100 So you are eligible without any experience which is amazing. 206 00:13:09,100 --> 00:13:12,600 The exam itself is 2 hours a little bit more than two hours 207 00:13:13,100 --> 00:13:20,700 and it it costs $300 to take the exam and be certified and $100 208 00:13:20,700 --> 00:13:25,300 to apply. Now, $400 is much more 209 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,900 reasonable than two thousand dollars. 210 00:13:28,900 --> 00:13:32,800 The things I could do with two thousand dollars my goodness 211 00:13:33,300 --> 00:13:38,300 $400, that's a little bit more reasonable, I think so. 212 00:13:38,500 --> 00:13:41,400 This is really cool. I mean I think they have, you 213 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,000 know, all of these different resources. 214 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:48,100 And actually if you are looking to be International, if you want 215 00:13:48,100 --> 00:13:51,900 to California specific certification, they have those 216 00:13:51,900 --> 00:13:57,200 certifications now to me as like from the outside, looking in, I 217 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:02,500 have always heard that HRC I certifications offer a bit more 218 00:14:02,700 --> 00:14:09,400 in some ways for the individual and that just like, In general 219 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,700 HRC I is a bit. It's a bit more renowned. 220 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:18,800 So if you have a pH, are it's more renowned than like a Sherm? 221 00:14:18,900 --> 00:14:22,600 I think it's like CP as one of the certifications. 222 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:23,600 Yes. Sherm. 223 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,500 SCP or CP. I mean, certainly there is a 224 00:14:27,500 --> 00:14:29,900 market out there for the Sherm certification. 225 00:14:30,500 --> 00:14:34,300 The shrooms CPU which is a certified professional exam 226 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:39,400 looks at like if you're in an HR or non hr-related, College 227 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,800 program, and the amount of years of experience that you have. 228 00:14:43,300 --> 00:14:46,100 You already know my opinion on this. 229 00:14:46,100 --> 00:14:50,100 If you've been here a while, I don't think that you need a 230 00:14:50,100 --> 00:14:55,000 degree to be an HR. I do think that you need 231 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:59,800 experience to be a more well-rounded HR professional. 232 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:04,800 So, these already, these requirements to me, same thing 233 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,500 steep. So if you are someone who Who 234 00:15:08,500 --> 00:15:12,600 doesn't have a bachelor's degree or doesn't have four years of 235 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,500 experience, you're not gonna be able to get certified by 236 00:15:14,500 --> 00:15:15,700 Schirmer. You're gonna have to pay two 237 00:15:15,700 --> 00:15:19,400 thousand dollars to take a class. 238 00:15:19,500 --> 00:15:23,800 I mean, come on. So what I would say is that 239 00:15:23,900 --> 00:15:28,600 Sherm certifications apply to someone probably like in a non 240 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,400 HR /. Like someone who sits on an HR 241 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,400 department, maybe it's like a recruiter Talent, acquisition. 242 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:42,600 Someone Who is has been an HR administrator or an intern for a 243 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,800 few years that I could see this certification, making a lot of 244 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:52,100 sense for you and giving you the all of the benefits that this 245 00:15:52,300 --> 00:16:00,700 offers, however, notice the fees non-members 400 or 475, 246 00:16:00,700 --> 00:16:03,800 depending on if you're taking advantage of the early bird, 247 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:08,300 special the early bird specials $400, this is not a diner. 248 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,000 I don't know what's going on here. 249 00:16:10,100 --> 00:16:12,500 All I can tell you is that there are certain people who will 250 00:16:12,500 --> 00:16:15,900 really benefit from Sherm and if you already have a Sherm 251 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:20,900 certification, that's great. Don't like any certification is 252 00:16:20,900 --> 00:16:24,000 going to do something positive, right? 253 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,900 It's going to boost confidence. It's going to make you feel more 254 00:16:27,900 --> 00:16:30,200 established. It might even earn you a greater 255 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,800 salary, a higher salary. But I'm really thinking about 256 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,800 this first wave length, of those of you who don't have experience 257 00:16:37,300 --> 00:16:40,200 the sherm, Is probably not going to be for you. 258 00:16:41,300 --> 00:16:47,100 The the HRC I certification process will be more for you. 259 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:53,100 Now, for those of you who have experienced or are in your 260 00:16:53,100 --> 00:16:59,100 careers already Sherm and HRC, I have options for you, the Sherm 261 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:06,900 SCP and CP certifications, and the HRC i ph r or p h RI or 262 00:17:06,900 --> 00:17:08,200 sphr. Just see. 263 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:09,800 Your professional in Human Resources. 264 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,800 Those certifications will be probably beneficial to you. 265 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,900 They are going to like, when I look at the professional and 266 00:17:17,900 --> 00:17:21,500 Human Resources, certification through HR CI. 267 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,500 It's focused on employee and Labor, Relations business 268 00:17:25,500 --> 00:17:29,300 management, Talent planning, total rewards, and Learning and 269 00:17:29,300 --> 00:17:31,000 Development. So that makes sense to me. 270 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,500 It's elevating your understanding and elevating your 271 00:17:33,500 --> 00:17:36,900 knowledge. And that course is just under 272 00:17:36,900 --> 00:17:40,500 $500. So, And that to me is totally 273 00:17:40,500 --> 00:17:46,000 like accessible if you want to be certified for Sherm, you 274 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,500 know, again it's around 400 to 500 dollars as well. 275 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:55,100 I think that the PHR is more. I think I said this already a 276 00:17:55,108 --> 00:17:59,400 little bit more well, like well-rounded but more renowned 277 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:03,200 in the HR world, then the Sherm certifications. 278 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,900 If you are an HR professional already, what I will say about 279 00:18:07,900 --> 00:18:11,900 the cause Of these exams is that if you are in h.r. already, you 280 00:18:11,900 --> 00:18:15,900 have an opportunity to ask your organization to pay for your 281 00:18:15,900 --> 00:18:19,000 professional development, so that you don't have to worry 282 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,000 about the cost of these certifications. 283 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,100 So, regardless of whether you have experience or not, 284 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:31,500 certifications learning opportunities, master's degrees 285 00:18:31,500 --> 00:18:37,100 bachelor's degrees, any advanced learning that you can do is 286 00:18:37,100 --> 00:18:41,300 always going to be. A good investment education in 287 00:18:41,300 --> 00:18:45,000 general is one of the best investments in my opinion that 288 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,800 you can make for yourself. So if you're someone that, you 289 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:53,700 know, is ready to learn more grow more, you want to just, you 290 00:18:53,700 --> 00:18:57,600 know, make your resume shine and enhance it. 291 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,700 A certification is going to do that. 292 00:18:59,700 --> 00:19:03,800 It definitely will do that. I just caution you. 293 00:19:03,900 --> 00:19:06,600 If you think that it's going to land you a job or if you think 294 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,400 it's going to give you the same amount of knowledge that 295 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,500 hands-on experience will because I don't think it will do that 296 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,400 but I definitely think it will make you more of an interesting 297 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,200 candidate. So if you are applying for a job 298 00:19:20,500 --> 00:19:24,700 whether they require a certification or not, you should 299 00:19:24,700 --> 00:19:27,600 be able to speak to the things that you've learned and how that 300 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:33,800 makes you a viable candidate. So I've talked a lot about some 301 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:38,100 of the cons to the certifications, but I want to 302 00:19:38,100 --> 00:19:43,000 talk about the pros and I think the pros are actually in many 303 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:48,400 ways, more of the like soft skills and innate like elements 304 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,100 of certification process. So I already talked about how 305 00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:53,800 education and my opinion is one of the best investments that you 306 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,800 can make in yourself. So if you value education in the 307 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,100 same way, get certified in something, take a class. 308 00:20:01,300 --> 00:20:04,900 Do something like no matter what you do, it's going to show that 309 00:20:04,900 --> 00:20:09,600 you are eager to learn and grow and one of the fun facts that I 310 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:14,400 have for you is that many, many colleges offer certificate 311 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:18,700 programs online for HR Cornell is actually one of them. 312 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,500 They have very many HR certificates. 313 00:20:22,500 --> 00:20:26,700 They have HR management certificates that really break 314 00:20:26,700 --> 00:20:31,000 down like even d e and i fostering a coaching culture, 315 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,100 all All of those things HR Essentials d e ni certificates. 316 00:20:35,100 --> 00:20:41,500 I mean, this to me if I were someone with no HR experience, I 317 00:20:41,500 --> 00:20:44,800 think I would take a knee Cornell course because they're 318 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:50,000 all online ahead of a different certificate, because I just 319 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,300 think that it's more. I mean, it looks to me like it's 320 00:20:53,300 --> 00:20:58,500 a little bit more of a value. Add for an individual who 321 00:20:58,500 --> 00:21:01,100 doesn't have experience. Like when I look at the 322 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,800 Essentials certificate program through Cornell. 323 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:07,800 It's really really well built out for someone who doesn't 324 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,000 necessarily have that hands-on experience. 325 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:14,600 What I will say is it looks like the cost of the programs at 326 00:21:14,608 --> 00:21:19,500 Cornell or fairly expensive. Like it looks like the range for 327 00:21:19,500 --> 00:21:23,600 certificates is between 12:00 and 10,000. 328 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,700 I'm sure that the advanced certificates are the ones that 329 00:21:26,708 --> 00:21:31,300 are the most expensive but I do think that this is just just 330 00:21:31,300 --> 00:21:34,100 like an example of what you can find out there. 331 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:39,100 Maybe there is a college near you where you can sit in on 332 00:21:39,100 --> 00:21:43,200 classes that are like HR classes unaccredited. 333 00:21:43,300 --> 00:21:47,100 So that you can as like a non matriculated student basically 334 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,100 where you can learn from the professor and kind of gain that 335 00:21:50,100 --> 00:21:54,500 experience and that knowledge, even if it's not Cornell, I 336 00:21:54,500 --> 00:21:59,300 mean, Cornell is what one of the more well-known colleges that 337 00:21:59,300 --> 00:22:03,000 offers these online certificate. It's but you know, I think it's 338 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,200 all about like return on investment and the value you're 339 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:11,900 getting to me the I would rather spend or I could see more value 340 00:22:11,900 --> 00:22:14,400 in spending five thousand dollars for the Cornell 341 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:18,300 certificates than two thousand dollars for a Sherm credential 342 00:22:18,300 --> 00:22:20,600 course. That's specific to one state. 343 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,000 I mean, the it's very clear that the Cornell certificates are 344 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,200 more valuable than the Sherm credential courses just on the 345 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,600 surface alone. Again, if you already have some 346 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,000 of these credentials and certificates that is totally 347 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,800 fine. You didn't waste anything 348 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,400 because again investing in your education is worth it. 349 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,700 No matter what. But I do think that there's 350 00:22:42,700 --> 00:22:46,700 this, like, under written rule that people need to have 351 00:22:46,700 --> 00:22:51,100 certifications or they need to have that, you know, CP in their 352 00:22:51,100 --> 00:22:54,100 title on LinkedIn. You don't don't feel any 353 00:22:54,100 --> 00:22:58,200 pressure that you need to spend money or have like that 354 00:22:58,500 --> 00:23:04,200 certificate in your profile. What is a better spend of your 355 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:09,100 time and money is to find a certificate or a certification 356 00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:14,700 program that really adds to your knowledge and experience and 357 00:23:14,700 --> 00:23:17,900 gives you exposure to things that you typically would only 358 00:23:17,900 --> 00:23:22,300 get through hands-on experience. So I never want someone to feel 359 00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:25,000 pressured by that. I get a lot of questions about 360 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,900 this and I say pretty much the same thing. 361 00:23:26,900 --> 00:23:30,700 Like you shouldn't feel pressured that you need to have 362 00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:35,100 a certain Education or be certified in something to land a 363 00:23:35,100 --> 00:23:37,900 job. But I do think that you should 364 00:23:37,900 --> 00:23:42,600 know, it makes you a stronger candidate if you have those 365 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,600 things without the HR experience, but I think like on 366 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,400 paper, if you're applying for an HR job and you have no HR 367 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,200 experience and then someone else is applying for an HR job and 368 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,300 they have experience it's probably not going to matter if 369 00:23:57,300 --> 00:24:01,500 you or both of you have the certification because the France 370 00:24:01,500 --> 00:24:07,500 is going to always Trump, the certification, at least, that's 371 00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:09,800 what I think. That's how I would see it. 372 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,600 But I know this is like this is a conundrum, right? 373 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,700 Because how do you get experience to have the 374 00:24:15,700 --> 00:24:18,600 experience? And that's where the internships 375 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,300 come in. That's where these courses come 376 00:24:21,300 --> 00:24:24,100 in. That's where like anything that 377 00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:27,900 you can do that shows that you've been involved beyond the 378 00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:32,900 classroom or in the classroom and it A different way, you 379 00:24:32,900 --> 00:24:36,100 know, maybe it's like joining Sherm on campus. 380 00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:39,600 That's a great example of potentially having more hands-on 381 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,600 experience or being a leader of an organization and like talking 382 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,900 through how you are able to lead teams. 383 00:24:46,900 --> 00:24:51,600 Those things actually, probably benefit you from an 384 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:56,500 experience-based perspective in the same way or in a way that 385 00:24:56,500 --> 00:25:01,700 you probably are not realizing. So I always I just I hope that 386 00:25:01,700 --> 00:25:04,300 no one feels pressured to get the certifications. 387 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:09,200 There is a certification for everyone but it's not a 388 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,700 requirement for everyone if that makes sense. 389 00:25:13,100 --> 00:25:17,500 I hope that helped in some way either to alleviate your stress 390 00:25:17,500 --> 00:25:22,200 about feeling like the need to be certified in something or 391 00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:28,500 that it like furthered your your decision to be certified or not 392 00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:33,100 to be certified because I mean I Not only stress this enough. 393 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,100 Any investment in your education is a good investment. 394 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,700 Just make sure you're investing in the place. 395 00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:42,200 That's going to give you the most return. 396 00:25:42,300 --> 00:25:44,800 That's all that's really the message right there. 397 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,900 Mike drop, right? Like that's the message. 398 00:25:46,900 --> 00:25:48,700 If you're going to spend the money, if you're going to spend 399 00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:51,600 the time, make sure it's where you're going to get the most 400 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,500 return. Now, coming back to this idea 401 00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:59,000 on, you know, creating a training course that is not two 402 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,800 thousand dollars. I Do that. 403 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:08,100 I want to know if you would if you would sign up for a training 404 00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:12,600 course from me, it for sure will not be two thousand dollars but 405 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,700 I do think there is an opportunity here for me to give 406 00:26:17,700 --> 00:26:22,800 you an opportunity to learn without having to like go out of 407 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,500 your way to spend all this money. 408 00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:28,700 I mean I get it. That part of the courses with 409 00:26:28,700 --> 00:26:34,300 Charmin HRC, I are that you get a A certificate and I might not 410 00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:38,200 be an accredited resource at least not today, I don't really 411 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,600 know that. I don't know how that works but 412 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,400 if I can at least provide you some knowledge beyond my 413 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,200 podcast, I would love to be able to do that. 414 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,300 So let me know what you think. This is a feels like a good 415 00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:54,400 idea. Feels like it's an opportunity 416 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:59,100 for me to give you more opportunities to learn and 417 00:26:59,100 --> 00:27:03,400 hopefully get a really strong Roi return on your investment. 418 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,800 Let me know. You can shoot me. 419 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,200 An e-mail podcast at HR Tracy.com or you can DM me on 420 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,200 Instagram, its easiest on there, honestly, it's where I will 421 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,900 definitely answer more quickly at any rate. 422 00:27:17,900 --> 00:27:21,300 I'm going to do a poll on this on Instagram, when this episode 423 00:27:21,300 --> 00:27:25,000 launches because this we could be onto something here people, 424 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:30,200 we could be on to something. Wow, what a time, what a wild 425 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,000 ride this I sewed, really, I feel like I got a little 426 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,300 passionate there about the lack of value in some of these 427 00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:40,500 things. But I also feel equally 428 00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:45,100 passionate about the value of education and the value of 429 00:27:45,100 --> 00:27:49,500 investing in your education. So again, if you have the 430 00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:53,800 certifications, then you've invested in yourself and there's 431 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,300 no loss there. If you're deciding on 432 00:27:56,300 --> 00:27:59,400 certifications to receive or whether it's the right thing or 433 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,700 not, just do your research. Go to those links in the show 434 00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:07,500 notes, figure out if you're eligible for a certification, if 435 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,900 it makes sense for you to be certified. 436 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:16,100 And if yes, or no, at least you have more information and maybe 437 00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:20,200 a college course, or an online course through a college, is a 438 00:28:20,208 --> 00:28:24,300 better fit for you at any rate. Keep going for it. 439 00:28:24,300 --> 00:28:27,900 If you want to make your break, your big break and HR, you will 440 00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:30,800 make it. You will get their people who 441 00:28:31,100 --> 00:28:34,900 Want to be an HR get into HR. It promise you that if there's 442 00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:36,200 anything. That's true. 443 00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:40,100 It's that. So, I hope you have a wonderful 444 00:28:40,100 --> 00:28:42,100 week ahead. Thank you for being here. 445 00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:44,400 Don't forget to rate, review And subscribe. 446 00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:47,900 Follow me on Instagram at HR. Tracy, and let me know what you 447 00:28:47,900 --> 00:28:51,300 think about this idea. For some training material, and 448 00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:54,500 a training course taught by Yours Truly, but see how it 449 00:28:54,508 --> 00:28:56,400 goes. Participate in the polls. 450 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,500 Do on Instagram, if you're listening on Tuesday and I will 451 00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:01,600 see you next Week. Week.