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Welcome to the Bringing the Human Back to Human Resources
podcast. I'm Tracy Chernoff, and I've
spent my entire professional career in HR.
Each week, we'll explore the delicate balance between people
and business with the aim to reconnect the two and create
meaningful outcomes. Listen in as I share my own
experiences, challenge the status quo, and chat with guests
from various industries about our mission to bring the human
back to human resources. Hello, everyone.
Welcome back to the podcast. Thank you so much for being here
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And I have been looking forward to recording this episode
because I think when I first spoke with Scott, who you will
be introduced to in just a moment, I left the conversation
feeling really inspired and like my mindset actually had been
shifted, whereas the kids say it altered my brain chemistry.
And so with that, let me introduce you to Scott Shickler.
Oh, by the way. I don't know if anyone's
watching. I am in a new space here.
I'm always in a new space around these parts.
I. Am in a podcast studio at a
local library. Those exist.
So if you want to start a podcast or something, I mean,
this is it's free. Some people charge hundreds of
dollars for podcast studios, but I'm here for free.
Get a library card everybody. OK, anyway, let me introduce you
to Scott Schickler, noted as one of the world's leading experts
on mindset based empowerment. Scott Schickler is a sought
after speaker, thought leader and expert on mindset based
education. Scott is a renowned education
entrepreneur and his life and work embody the essence of
empowerment, innovation and transformative leadership,
making him not just a figure of inspiration, but a cattle for
positive change in the millions of lives of young people and
educators worldwide. Scott has authored and
co-authored 8 books including The Seven Mindsets to Live Your
Ultimate Life. His expertise and insights have
garnered widespread recognition, and he has been featured in
prominent media outlets including CNNABC and NBC News.
The New York Times and the Wall Street Journal are also outlets
that you can find Scott in. And Scott and cofounder Jeff
Waller started 7 Mindsets in 2009, and the company began
partnering with schools to implement its pre-K to 12
mindset based learning curriculum.
And serving as CEO from 2009 to 2022, Scott witnessed 7 Mindsets
expand its reach and inspire millions of students and
educators to live lives of passion, purpose, and joy.
Scott returned to the role of CEO in July of 2024 to lead the
organization into its next phase of growth.
Scott, I'm so excited that you're here.
We finally get to talk about mindset.
Yeah, Tracy, I tell you what, my mother is going to love that
introduction. It's going to make her so proud.
She should be proud, she should be proud and you should be proud
too. And every guest, almost every
guest is like, Oh my gosh, I can't believe that bio like I
did all those things or like, why did you read all that?
And I think it's so important to, to allow someone to tell you
all of the things that you did because sometimes it's really
hard to remember all of the accomplishments that we've had.
And so I'm really honored that you are on my podcast and that
you're you're bringing your wisdom and your insights here.
And maybe the, the 1st place to start is understanding how
important mindset and mindsets is to you.
Where does all of this come from?
Where's the inspiration from? It it, that's a great question.
It's kind of like why do mindsets matter, right?
And I I've had the privilege of doing some very interesting
interviews over a 15 year period.
I've, I've interviewed a bunch of billionaires, Olympic
athletes, celebrities, high achievers, and all aspects of,
of work and, and entrepreneurship.
And one of my favorite interviews was with Oprah
Winfrey. And Oprah, you know, a lot of
people know that she launched an Academy for girls in South
Africa. And she has basically over the
last 2025 years, put thousands of girls through the Oprah
Winfrey Academy. And so I had an A chance to
interview her and I asked her, I said, what's the most important
lesson? What's the most important thing
that that for you to teach these young women?
And without missing a beat, she looked at me and she said
mindset. And I, I said mindset.
And she said, yeah, mindset. And I said, you know, over
everything. And she said, yeah, mindset's
over everything. And, and I thought about that.
And I, I happen to have a book with me, the seven mindsets.
And, and, and I said, I said, you know, Oprah, I don't think
it's generic mindset. Because we did this research.
We studied the happiest, most successful people in the world
to find out what they have in common.
And it turns out it's how they think and in particular their
mindsets. And I said, we identified 7
mindsets and she said 7 mindsets.
All right. And she takes the book and she's
looking at it and she opens up and she's looking at this what
the seven mindsets, she's reading them out loud and, and
she says 7 mindsets. Now I'm having like this out of
body experience. OK, I'm, I'm right there with
Oprah. I'm talking to her and and in my
head I'm imagining Oprah back in the day talking to her audience
and she's like 7 mindsets and you get a mindset, you get a
mindset you. Right.
All this is in my head and, and, and I said Oprah, not everyone
we studied had all 7, but you do.
I said, I've got quotes from you connected to every one of these
7 mindsets. And, and so I give her the book
and she's like, I'm in this book.
I said, yeah, you're in the book.
Just show me. I want to see my name in the
book, so I I turn to page 49. I show it to her.
She looks at it. It's a chapter on passion.
First she reads her quote aloud, which is like, OK.
Amazing you. Know special and she's nodding
her head and then as you know, she points to me and she points
to to to the quote and she says now that's a smart woman.
Right, so she's not wrong. You know, so, so Tracy, I, I
tell you this because Oprah says mindsets over everything.
Our research proves it's mindsets over everything.
And just two days ago, Kirby Smart, who's the head football
coach of the University of Georgia and a two time national
champion, he's got a young team this year.
And and so those, those of your listeners who might be working
with young teens in whatever field they're in, the reporter
said, what's the most important thing you need to do to prepare
your young team for success? And without missing a beat, he
said it's all about mindset. He didn't say it's about
training or speed or or physical development or skill sets.
He said it's about mindset and that's really it.
Your mindsets matter. They determine the quality of
your life at home, at school and in the workplace.
This is exactly why I was so excited to talk to you because
there's so much energy that you have for what I agree is so
important. This idea of mindset and how
mindset is, to me, I see it as like the the, the key to
unlocking the door to whatever is behind that door for people,
for us. And first of all, I think it's
really cool that you met Oprah Winfrey.
Was she as cool in person as like she seemed she would be?
Yeah, I had. I had dinner with her.
And a. Small group of people, so I had
three hours with Oprah. And.
Oprah does not waste a word. Everything she says, there's
like pearls of wisdom. I don't know how she does it.
And obviously she has perfected a craft of curating important
content and sharing it and spreading it.
And that part's very inspirational to me.
But yes, it was, it was impressive.
And. And I need it.
Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm an interviewer.
I'm a researcher. I'm an educator.
I like to disseminate information to others.
So I brought with me by my pen and I'm, I'm like looking, I'm
at a dinner table. I'm like, where am I going to
write? Where am I going to?
I didn't bring a notebook, but the, the menu was on a paper
cardboard thing. And so I, I flip over the menu
and it's blank. Thank goodness and everything.
You know, I'm asking her questions some other people ask
her. I'm like writing down forever
and ever and ever. And towards the end of the
night, she's about to give an answer and she says, Scott, Are
you ready? Because she can tell I'm like
soaking up. Everything she said, yeah.
Wow, that's amazing. I mean, I asked you that
question, A, of course, because I wanted to know the answer.
And also, B, because I think it's it's possible that
listeners don't really know who Oprah is.
I mean, based on the age demographics, a lot are, you
know, I'm 33. Many of us grew up with her on
our TV screens. I think like part of, and I'm
going to connect the dots here, but part of what I think is
really important in knowing Oprah is like understanding that
her comments around mindsets makes so much sense because she
has lived through so much trauma and has built herself up from
nothing to something so unbelievable and brilliant and
great. That it really is so profound to
hear her not only like validate that.
It's like, oh, she must have this ability to like really
shift her mindset and to really like allow her mind to, to be
open to all these potential possibilities or, or new
opportunities, whatever it might be, right that she is.
She has that level of self-awareness.
She's not saying, oh, all these, you know, all these things that
I money that I have or money, you know, the, the opportunity
that I had to be on TV because that opportunity was not just
handed to her. It's, it's everything that she
has today, starting from everything she didn't have in
the beginning and how she created this life for herself
through her mindset. So it's really, really profound
for me to hear you say what she said.
I didn't, obviously I didn't know what she was going to say.
And that was the first question of probably 37 questions over 3
hours. So that was probably the first
question and it kind of blew me away because I, I didn't know
what she was going to say, right?
But. I've I've studied thousands of
people, interviewed hundreds of people, deconstructed 200 of the
most renowned books on the subject of happiness and
success, and my team of researchers were not the first
people to research happiness and success.
And so we folded. In other research projects,
Doctor Martin Seligman out of the University of Pennsylvania
conducted a $50 million study on global happiness and also
determined that it's that it's mindsets.
One of my favorite interviews was with Sir Richard Branson.
And maybe maybe some of your business audience knows that
name. He's the the billionaire founder
behind all the companies with the Virgin name, Virgin
Atlantic. In recent news, Virgin Galactic
right taking people to to space. To space, yeah.
So I I've interviewed a lot of people who own their own planes.
He was the only person I interviewed who owned his own
airline. And he came to the interview and
and what I remember about it is actually the last question.
And the last question was I said, if you could live your
life over again, is there anything you would do
differently? And he, he thought about it and
he said, yeah, two things. First, I would start my first
business at an earlier age now and I said I thought you started
your first company at the age of 9.
Like how much earlier can? You correct.
He said, yeah, very good, like you've done your homework and I
and I and I said, yeah, OK, all those wasted years, right?
Right. Now that was like a joke for me
for a really, really long time until it dawned on me what he
meant by that. And I'm going to give you his
second answer, which was equally as profound, but it, it only
recently dawned on me that what he was really saying is it takes
a while to discover your potential.
It takes a while to learn the things that you're capable of.
And now as an adult that he realizes what he's capable of,
He simply wished he would start sooner.
And that had an impact on me because once we did, once we
researched and determined it was mindsets that matter and in
particular, 7 mindsets, what I did with that information was we
said, let's see if we can bring the sophisticated adult content
because that's who we research. We're adults.
Right. But then by the way, we also
researched teenagers, 200,000 teenagers, and we found out that
they had the exact opposite mindsets, the exact opposite of
the seven, what we call counter mindsets.
And that's an easy way, by the way, for me to tell your adult
listeners that these kids grow up to be adults who also have
counter mindsets. And so that's why we started
teaching the seven mindsets to young people.
But let me tell you his second answer, because the second
answer, he said, if I could live my life over again, I would
dream bigger. And it, it actually bothered me
at first when he said it because I'm talking to a guy who owns
400 companies. He's one of the wealthiest
people in the world. He he owns his own private
island. He scores off the charts on
happiness tests. He's, you know, he's a mega
philanthropist. Like he makes a difference.
He cares and you know, if you've ever seen him, he's got flowing
blonde hair. I mean, like, you know, this guy
wants to dream bigger, right? And by the way, he showed up not
only flying his own airline, Virgin Air, but he he has his
own limousine company, Virgin Limo.
And he gets out of the studio, interviewed him in Manhattan.
He gets out of the limo and he's got blue jeans AT shirt and he's
barefoot. He's walking like without a care
in the world on the streets of Manhattan.
And I'm, I'm a former New Yorker and like, we don't want our skin
touching anything. And this guy, I'm thinking, what
did he did he invent super skin or something?
But he says he would dream bigger.
And, you know, I made my notes and we uncovered a lot of people
we interviewed that said something similar.
We actually named the very first mindset based on what he said.
We call it the everything is possible mindset, this idea of
dreaming bigger. And the easiest way I've learned
to explain this or help people understand this is if you want
to do this or if your listeners want to do this, raise your left
or your right hand as high as you can, staying seated.
And now if they're if they're driving, keep both hands, you
know, keep. Your hand.
I'll do. It I'll do.
It but raise your left or right hand as high as you can.
Right. OK, now without standing up, can
you get your hand one inch higher?
Why? Is that?
Why is that? Why was I just able to do that?
Yes, exactly right. So everybody, almost everybody I
ask and I and I sometimes I speak to thousands of people at
a time. And so it's really cool to have
my vantage point and watch thousands of people do the same
thing. They all put their hand up, they
all laugh and I, and I asked him, think about what you just
did. I asked you to raise your hand
as high as you could the first time.
And then I said, can you get your hand one inch, one inch
higher? They're like, yes, got as high
as I can plus one right +2. Here's why.
There's a couple of reasons and it's actually it's
scientifically backed and it's a reason why it it limits
potential in personal and professional lives.
See our brain, the primary function of our brain is to keep
us alive. The brain doesn't like
discomfort. The, the, the brain doesn't like
to stretch. The brain thinks backwards
better than it thinks forwards. And we want to protect ourselves
so we don't stretch, We don't get out of our comfort zone.
But what Branson and others and even every one of your listeners
can think about things that they accomplished in their life that
they didn't maybe at one point think was possible, but then
they did it. What Branson and others have
learned, the highest achievers have learned, is that when you
get that feeling, you can repeat that feeling.
You can make that a habit. You can change from the negative
limiting thoughts and beliefs, the counter mindsets.
You can literally flip your switch by simply practicing this
concept of 1 inch two inches higher.
So I would encourage all your listeners, any personal goals,
any department goals, any business goals, any dreams they
have, whatever they are. Just see if you can raise it
just the equivalent of a of an inch, whatever that means.
Because a couple of things happen physically when we do
stretch ourselves. It's kind of like getting those
little butterfly feelings in your stomach.
You know, the butterfly feelings is a good thing.
That's like, I'm not sure I can do it or not.
You know, maybe I can, maybe I can't.
But those feelings is actually an indication that your brain
has released legal drugs in your system.
You literally will feel better and almost if I asked the
question if I could wave a magic wand, what is it you want for
your life? What is it you want for the
people in your lives, people in your company?
People want to be happy, they want to be successful, they want
to be filled with joy, have good relationships.
Those feelings come when you stretch yourself.
SO1 Stretching literally makes you live longer, feel better.
But statistically speaking, people who stretch just a tiny
little bit achieve more in their life no matter what it is.
And, and it's often just like this little tiny thing, you
know, sometimes people say this 1%, this 1°, how could it make a
difference? Well, over time, it compounds
and expands and that's what we picked up.
And so that mindset is so important for people.
It really can set an individual and an organization apart from
from the competition. That's an amazing story.
And you know, what I was thinking about too, is the way
that we translate this impact of our mindset into everyday life,
including our professional lives.
And I do have a question for you as a, as a business leader, of
course. But before I even ask that
question, I think the listeners hopefully are allowing all of
this to really resonate with them that we are the gatekeepers
to our own success or our own, you know, stagnants, right.
And it's like when I think back to those two stories that you
shared with very prominent figures, you know, there's
there's an element here where, you know, sometimes I would
imagine people with counter mindsets or this, you know,
negative approach to things, a negative approach to thinking
potentially might say, oh, well, you know, they got lucky.
They're lucky that they're in those situations.
But really, we all we can translate this to our own lives.
I mean, maybe we're not going to be the next, you know, Virgin
Atlantic. Owner.
Maybe not, however. It doesn't mean that we can't
be, and it's just a matter of like what?
How do we allow ourselves to get to that next level?
Well, sure not. And then not everyone wants
those things at that level, right?
Not everyone wants to be a global change maker, right?
Yeah, a lot of. Pressure, but, but everyone.
Everyone wants to achieve their version of success, whatever
that is, right? For some people, it's some level
of financial freedom to be able to take trips, to be able to buy
some things they like, to be able to give and do things for
others. I actually think a better way of
defining success is by by replacing the word success with
significance. People want to know that their
lives matter when they go to work, they're making a
difference. They're seen they they are.
They get to transcend themselves with their time and make an
impact for others. And all of us have that
potential. All of us have that ability.
And all of us can improve our levels of joy and fulfillment
and passion and we can improve our relationships.
But our brains come factory loaded with with like software
that's that doesn't work for our living to our potential, right.
And so this is everybody, all right?
This is Richard Branson, this is Oprah Winfrey, this is whoever
follows Olympic athletes. This is Simone Biles.
Every adult and every kid for the for that matter, wake up
every day and have somewhere between 30 to 50,000 automatic
negative thoughts that go through our heads every single
day. Everyone we're bombarded with
these thoughts. We, we call them, we take the
the acronym of automatic negative thoughts and I call
them ants. You got ants in your brain, you
didn't know it, but we but you do.
And So what the highest achievers do 'cause they have
the same thoughts, what they've learned how to do is identify
those thoughts, find the patterns of when they show up
more frequently and do something about them, flip the switch from
negative to positive and as we like to think of it, from the
counter mindsets to the seven mindsets.
And so it's not like Oprah and Branson are walking around just
like pure living. No, they go through the same
things. It's just they've learned
techniques. And that's why we wrote the book
The Seven Mindsets Live Your Ultimate Life.
That's why we've developed programs, that's why we've made
it part of our company culture. And that's why I'm here actually
trying to share it with others because it is at our fingertips,
but we literally have to reset the factory installed, you know,
mindset operating system that that comes with this body that
we have. The MOS, the mindset operating
system, that's awesome. Well, this is the perfect
opportunity for me to ask you a question as, as a leader
yourself, You know, I, I know your, your background and, and
some of the things that you do with your company.
But you know, in your bio, I read that you were the CEO from
2009 to 2022. And then there was a little
break there and you came back in 2024.
So maybe you can walk us through what, what happened there, why
you came back and, and how you, you know, take this concept and
you apply it into your own business with your own team.
Yeah, I'm glad you picked up on that.
The little, the, the little break.
So I, I've been very fortunate over my life.
I'm an entrepreneur. I'm often described as an
education entrepreneur. I, I have software companies and
other businesses. I've, I've started many
businesses. I bought and sold over 20
different companies, but the most important work in my life
has been around the seven mindsets.
And we, we, as I mentioned, we took the seven mindsets, we
developed them for programs. And so we're in about 48 states.
We have taught the seven mindsets to over 5 million
students from preschool to 12th grade.
We are changing lives when it comes to mindset based education
and, and I brought on some partners.
Not a lot of people in their life get a chance to kind of
take some chips off the table. And I had an opportunity to kind
of take some chips off the table and, and at A, at a younger age,
I had a chance to kind of go into semi retirement.
And I, and I loved it. I got to spend time with my two
adult sons and my wife of 34 years And I I had a a an
incredible 18 month sabbatical. Sabbatical, right?
And, and I stayed on the board and I'm and I stayed connected
to my team that I love and the work that we do.
And then about a year ago, my board called me and, and they
said, Hey, would you take a look at the company culture and just
see how things are going? And, and I, I said, sure, but
you know why? And they said, well, you know,
you were running the business. You had five, you had five years
of no employee turnover. And, and I said, I said, by the
way, I don't call them employees.
And they said, what do you mean? I said, I call them empower
ease. And they're like, Oh yeah.
But we thought that was like kitschy or cute or we, I
remember, yeah, we asked you about that and you said, Oh
yeah, Disney, they call their employee, they have different
names and you just want to have a different name.
And I said, yeah, but it wasn't just to be cute.
It, it, it was to empower them. It was to elevate their minds
and to give them agency and authority to have impact.
And, and I said, I, I hadn't really thought of that, but why
do you bring it up? And they said, well, when you
laugh, there's been a lot of turnover.
There's been a lot of, you know, C level turnover.
And, and so I looked at it and what had happened was the
culture of the company had shifted away from a mindset
based culture and in particular A7 mindset based culture.
Now we were still doing that work, we just weren't practicing
it anymore. And it was the first time I
could look at it so clearly to see, wow, this is this is night
and day. And I and I thought, one, I love
this company, I love the people and I love the work.
And I said, one, I want to restore the culture.
And you know what? That's on me for not ensuring
that that culture survived beyond me.
I didn't even think I'd have to say don't move away from it, but
but I realized I did. So I wanted to come back and I
did. And and the culture is
incredible again and the and the the team is amazing and the
empower see, when the empowered become the empower ease, then
the problems of the world slowly start to fade away that you can
accomplish amazing things. But then I realized the
opportunity that we have because the seven mindsets come from the
adult business world. It comes from all these people
we studied. And it shouldn't just be for the
students. It should.
We should be bringing the mindsets into homes.
We should be bringing the mindsets into other companies,
into other organizations, to teams.
It should move from the classroom to the living room to
the break room to the boardroom. And what I love about what I
love about your podcast and your message is it is so closely
aligned. I want to redefine human
resources into human success. In fact, Tracy, I'm going to
rename our department from HR to Human Success.
I love it because. That's really what it's about.
And so I came back not only to restore our own company culture,
but to develop programs to help others bring this type of
culture into their organization so we can help people achieve
more in their, in their roles. People don't want to just come
to work for a paycheck. They want to come to work.
They want to matter. They, they, they want to feel
significant, they want to be inspired.
And they can do that. But frankly, it's not skill
sets. It's, it's not traditional
values and culture. Those things are important.
But, you know, 75% of workers, according to Gallup, say they're
actually interested in personal and professional growth.
Wow. And the challenges that people
have at home, they can't be turned off by simply going to
work. You know, there there's that
streaming TV show, I think it's called Severance.
I don't know if you or anyone's ever seen.
Yeah, I don't watch it, but yes, I know where you're going.
I think I know where you're going.
The concept is like in the future, somebody develops a
device, you, you go to work, you get on the elevator and and it
zaps you and your home mind, your, your, all your personal
stuff stays. Could you imagine?
Have a work mind, right? And then at the end of the day,
you get back in the elevator and it zaps you again and you leave
your work life and it doesn't come home.
But that's not the reality, no. And people are dealing with
chronic stress and loneliness and uncertainty and so many
personal and professional challenges that really what the
seven mindsets offers is a is a common language that can be
spoken everywhere and can help people because you can't really
turn 1 off, 1 on and one off. We need to be able to help
people flip the switch. And so that's why it's a long
answer, but that's why I'm back and I'm super excited to help
people make a difference. It's so amazing.
And I first of all, I think you totally are on to something with
renaming HR to HS and FROM resources to human success.
I love that. I mean, this is we even think
about like where HR used to be, it was like personnel
department, you know, it, there was there was not even a
resource to be found. It was just like you're managing
data that has to do with people. And now it's like HR people
operations. It's like, oh, we're providing
resources or we're operating within this framework, but human
success is unlocking. Absolutely.
The door, yeah. And think about that.
Think about that mindset shift. If your goal is human success,
you're not just going to focus on professional development and
skill sets. And how do I have my say like?
Succession, those things are. Important, but it's going to be
how do I help the humans be their best?
Yeah, deal with these negative thoughts and, and, and, and.
So that's all very possible. And I wanna give your listeners
a gift if that's okay. Please, I've been waiting for
this. Give them the gift.
The gift that keeps on giving. Yeah.
All right, so everybody's heard of the IQ, right?
Your measures intelligence and people have, some people have
even heard of EQ measures, your emotional intelligence.
There is no research that shows that those things really impact
a person's quality of life and their level of success.
We all know people with high IQ that are smart, that are
socially inept. OK, so so we've been working on
something, a secret project called the MQ Mindset Quotient.
And if you think mindsets over everything, MOEMQ is really the
determining factor of whether or not someone you know how how
aligned their mindsets are to the seven.
Like if you'd like to know how close your mindset is to
Oprah's, to Richard Branson, to Simone Biles, to Bill Murray, to
Simon Sinek to I can go on and on and on, right?
If you want to know that your listeners can go to meet like M
EE, TM, q.com, meetmq.com, and they click a little button that
says get started. And I'm going to give them a
special code so they don't have to worry about pain or anything.
And let's make the special code human.
OK, love it, human. Classic.
So they don't have to worry about cases.
You know, uppercase, lowercase, just type in human and then
they'll be connected to the MQ and they can take a quick
counter mindset test. 7 questions to see if you have any
negative counter mindsets. Spoiler alert, everybody does,
including me. We all have them, so don't
worry. But you can.
Take a 70 question MQ and it'll tell you your strongest
mindsets. It'll also tell you your
opportunities for growth. But once we develop that, Tracy,
I didn't want to stop there. So we created my MQ, which
everyone will have access to, which serves as your daily
mindset coach. There's a 7 mindsets master
class. They can watch little short
videos and learn the mindsets there.
There's a mood check every day so you can learn to measure and
and see how you're feeling. There's a gratitude bank
account. What are you grateful for?
Each day there's a little activity you can do.
And since there's seven days in a week, every day is a different
mindset theme. And my favorite part is we have
a 24/7 My MQ coach that learns an individual's mindsets, goals,
aspirations, and it will coach you.
You can ask it questions and it will coach you to help you grow
and expand your mindset. So that's my gift to your
listeners. It's in beta.
So your group will be amongst
the first to listen and check it out and hopefully they'll share
some feedback and we can change the world together.
Wouldn't that be fun? Yes, it would be so much fun.
Thank you so much for that gift. I can't wait to claim my own
gifts. And because I'm curious, I'm
curious where I fall and seven minds, that's for sure.
Everyone, please, please, please take Scott up on that free gift.
That's amazing. Scott, thank you so much.
I really, I was not disappointed.
I have been hyping myself up for this interview with you and I
was so excited to finally record.
And I really, I am just so mind blown at all of the ways in
which you approach life and business.
And I think what you're doing is amazing and you should continue
on with much success. So thank you so much for joining
the podcast. I, we all really appreciate it.
I. Most certainly do.
Thank you, Tracy. Really.
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