Last week I shared that I've been thinking a lot about how we
talk about mental health in the workplace and how being a mom of
twins while running this podcast really opened my eyes.
I shared with you that I hit a wall trying to juggle the
demands of motherhood, working, keeping up with recordings, and
maintaining that work life balance that I am literally
always preaching about. And between the responsibilities
of being a working mom and my pack days, my.
Focus was just super. Scattered my sleep, frankly
wasn't really great, and I really just felt like I was
getting by. And that experience led me to
discover this concept of mental. Wealth which I shared.
Has completely shifted. How I think about workplace
Wellness and instead of just managing mental health
reactively mental. Wealth is about proactively.
Investing in your mental resilience.
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draw. From when work gets challenging,
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Welcome to the Bringing the Human Back to Human Resources
podcast. I'm Tracy Chernoff, and I've
spent my entire professional career in HR.
Each week, we'll explore the delicate balance between people
and business with the aim to reconnect the two and create
meaningful outcomes. Listen in as I share my own
experiences, challenge the status quo, and chat with guests
from various industries about our mission to bring the human
back to human resources. Hi everyone, welcome back to the
Bringing the human back to human Resources podcast.
Thank you so much for being here for another week.
And what you're listening to this when it's already 2025 and
we are recording in 2024, which means that we are total time
travellers, which is so exciting.
I will say I'm going to just preface by saying I do have a
cold. And so if everyone's thinking
why does Tracy sound so weird, it's because I do.
So just bear with me, but luckily, I won't be the only one
speaking to you today, and we have the pleasure of having
Anthony Savellas on as a guest. I'm going to tell you a bit more
about Anthony and then we're going to jump right into some
amazing information and content for this week's episode.
So, without further ado, let me tell you a little bit about
Anthony. After successfully navigating
the vibrant fields of fashion design, systems engineering,
cloud engineering, cloud training, and team coaching,
Anthony Cevallos found his true vocation igniting the spark of
inspiration and others. As a public speaker and
leadership coach with a focus on spreading the potent messages of
happiness and empowerment, his mission is to illuminate paths
of personal and professional fulfillment for others.
Global engagements have seen him gracing stages at many
conferences around the world. Such appearances are
complemented by participation in countless community meetups
where he has imparted his knowledge and insights.
Furthering an understanding of leadership, happiness, and
empowerment. Anthony guides individuals to
prioritize their happiness in every aspect of their lives.
By offering straightforward, impactful strategies.
Through keynote speeches, coaching, and workshops, he
empowers people to unlock their full potential.
This is not just his career, it's his mission to help make
the world a more inspired and joyful place.
So, Anthony, welcome to the podcast.
Thank you so much for being here.
Thank you so much for having me, Tracy.
I'm so excited to be here. Of course.
Oh my gosh, likewise. And you really do put a smile on
my face, which I know is a big part of your mission, as I've
just read. But before we talk all about
happiness, even though it's inevitable because of what you
do, why don't you kick us off by telling us a bit more about your
career transformation and journey?
Because what I read in the bio showcases a lot of skills and
backgrounds that you possess. Yeah, so happiness wasn't
necessarily. When I talk about happiness, I
talk about the what they call eudemonic happiness, which is
the inner happiness, not the happiness where you give
somebody an ice cream cone and then half an hour later they're,
you know, distraught again. So doing with that in mind,
looking back into my career journey, I actually started off
as a fashion designer and I was a fashion designer for a good
chunk of a decade. And what happened was the
industry imploded here in Canada and I was left to, I was left
for broke to feed my family and I didn't know what to do.
So I had some friends in tech that told me how much money they
were making. So naturally I was like, well,
this might be a great way to feed my family.
So so I jumped into tech. I became a systems administrator
for approximately 9 years. I jumped into cloud engineering
and then DevOps engineering and then eventually a cloud trainer.
And when I became a cloud trainer, I, I ended up wanting
to jump back into the people side of things.
And that's when I discovered coaching and I started to be a
team coach. But during my team coaching,
something very interesting happened.
And that is a leader had asked me, Anthony, how is it that
you're always so happy? What is your secret?
And I didn't know what to tell him.
I, I really didn't have an answer.
So I started to reflect on what is my recipe for happiness, so
to speak. And I started to look at how,
how I could even think about something like that.
And if I could come up with a recipe for happiness, how could
I share that with others so that way they can experience exactly
what I'm experiencing every single day that I go into work,
'cause I, I'm, I'm always, I always look at the positive
side. I always look at, you know, how
can we make things better at work?
And I think you can agree, Tracy, that when we show up
happier at work, other people take on that same mindset.
They take on that same emotion, that behavior.
Definitely. Yeah.
So when when I started to do that, I started to develop areas
where I found that people were focusing on that really drove
and fostered happiness. And this is where I came up with
my own framework, which is what I call the happiness blueprint.
Because naturally, you know, the same thing that makes me happy
doesn't necessarily make other people happy.
So each person has their own framework, their own recipe for
happiness that they can follow in order to foster more
happiness not just in their home life, but in their work life as
well. Yeah, that's amazing.
I mean, one of the thoughts that I had, even though I already
knew this background, your background, when I it just
dawned on me that you've made a business out of something that
really comes naturally to you, which is something we all should
hopefully be able to do one day. You know, it's like, I think
about how I started this podcast.
It's like, yeah, like this is what I do everyday.
And for you, you're like you, you really figured out how to
help people tap into the skills that they have and tap into a
way of thinking that can enable them, can empower them, can
empower the teams that work for them.
I mean, it's, it's pretty cool. I don't know why I didn't think
about that before. I'm like, you made a whole
business. Yeah, out of your being
yourself. And that's amazing.
There's actually a story behind that tracing.
So when I decided to become a keynote speaker, something had
happened. And that was a few months before
that my mother had passed away. And so I spent a lot of time
reflecting on the learnings that she left me because naturally we
want to share the learnings from, you know, the people that
we love the most to to others. And what I found was what was
hidden underneath was my purpose.
And that was spreading that happiness, that positivity and
gratitude. So when I was growing up, my
father was very abusive. And how I was able to navigate
that was my mother gave me these tools to navigate that chaotic
time. And so every day, she was
telling me like a mantra, Anthony, you got to be happy
about what it is that you do. You got to be grateful for what
you have that others do not. And you have to be positive in
the face of adversity. And you can get through this.
And she didn't really know about the abuse, but these tools
helped me navigate these chaotic times through my career changes,
through tough times when I was broke, and even through
navigating corporate culture, as we all know, is pretty chaotic.
So when I when I learned about these tools, when I unveiled
these tools, I realized that this is my mother's legacy and
that I needed to share these tools with others and give them
a way for them to action it. And that's where the Happiness
Blueprint just made so much sense.
Yeah, thank you for sharing so openly what you're, what you
experienced as you were growing up and also what inspired you to
really dig deep and figure out what you know, emboldens you and
keeps you going every day. And you know, I, I hope in some
ways that there isn't relatability to your story, but
I know realistically there probably is.
And someone out there listening is going to feel represented by
you sharing your experiences and hopefully will feel your your,
your mom's essence coming through and that you have to be
positive and you have to, you know, keep going and keep keep
looking forward and ahead. And that's amazing.
And when I think about even kind of relating this to the
corporate culture side of things, as you mentioned, there
is there can be a lot of chaos and chaos is extremely
unsettling, like extremely. And whether it's in our personal
lives or in our professional, when there is that sense or
feeling of being unsettled there it all it does is breed more
unsatisfied or dissatisfaction, more toxicity, more concern,
more culture issues. And so it, it behooves us, as
my, my mom likes to say, it behooves us to make company
cultures and corporate cultures much more positive and much less
chaotic, or at least if they are chaotic, enabling people to
really be able to navigate that chaos.
So I guess with that, when, when we think about your blueprint to
kind of navigate it a little bit, what are, where do you
start with it? Like what does the happiness
blueprint look like for someone who begins using it?
Yeah. So over time, I have found that
there are 6 elements that allow people to foster more happiness
in in what it is that they do. And those six elements are
inspiration, mindset, empowerment, alliance, care and
transformation. So in inspiration, we're looking
at goals. What are we doing towards
building and challenging ourselves towards those goals?
And when we achieve them, are we taking the time to celebrate
them so that way we can get motivation to create more goals,
right? The next one is mindset, and
we're talking about positive communication.
We're talking about embracing change.
So no longer are we looking at things like, oh, well, that's
the way that we've always done it.
Well, I'm sure you've heard that a couple of times.
Too many to count. Yeah.
So, so embracing that change and then empowerment, we're looking
at creating a learning mindset. We're looking at empowering
others by understanding our own strengths, what we're good at
and why we're not doubling down on it because we can't be good
at everything. So why not double down on our
strengths and leave the rest to, to others something that they're
good at or maybe build new strengths, right Alliance, we're
talking about relationships. So I, I firmly believe that this
is a, a huge part of happiness. There's been so many studies,
latest study from Harvard, It was a the longest running study
on happiness is that the quality of your relationships matter.
And who doesn't love a work bestie, right?
You get to work and you're like, Hey, you'll never guess what
happened over the weekend, right?
You have that work bestie where you, you, you love to chat with
them. And over time, it doesn't just
become a a personal relationship.
It becomes both a personal and work relationship because we
spend a third of our time at work.
Why the heck are we going to show up to just do work?
And for those of you listening, I'm doing that in air quotes.
We just want to show up to just do work.
Sure, we want to do our work. We want to be fulfilled, but the
same time we want to do it with people that we enjoy doing it
with. Right.
OK, moving on into care. So care, we're talking about
the, the all time buzzword, psychological safety, right?
We want to feel safe enough to, to talk about the things that
matter, to be empathetic with others or, you know, there's
times where people show up with that toxic positivity.
Oh, don't worry about it, Tracy. There's, there's a brighter side
to this. No, people need to be empathetic
and, and take into consideration other people's feelings, right?
And, and this way, it opens up the space to not only people
voicing their opinions, but it opens up the space for
innovation. Because now we can fail and we
can fail with with grace, right? And finally, transformation is
all about measuring and iterating.
So we all love to measure things that, you know, where we can do
better. And this actually ties into
feedback. So instead of expecting
feedback, you should always solicit feedback to say, what am
I? What did I do good?
What can I work on and do better on and then iterate on it.
And so putting this all together, you see where you're
concentrating on where your focus is.
And although focus may be bigger in one area and smaller in in
others, it doesn't mean that you're, you know, you're, you're
doing bad. It just means that your focus is
somewhere else. So now you can see where are my
gaps. So if I'm not building
relationships at work, maybe alliance is something that I
need to look into. Or if I'm using negative phrases
like, you know, oh, well, if so and so gets gets hit by a bus,
I'm sure you've heard that a few times.
Yeah. So taking out that negative
mindset can now bring us space for more positive mindset.
So once you start noticing the gaps, that's where you can start
taking action or creating action steps to improve, to bring more
happiness and bring more you demonic happiness and feel
fulfilled that you're actually doing good and you want to show
up to work and Mondays are no longer mundane.
Yeah, yeah, this is a great point.
I first of all, I love that there are different ways to look
at this and you kind of talked about it in the sense that if
you've noticed a gap in your own experience at work that that can
help you. Obviously, you know, you meaning
generally that can help someone that can help one, to basically
figure out where they need to spend more time and focus and
energy and attention. And two, that the two of the the
I guess words that start stood out to me were alliance and
care. Alliance to me is probably the
the biggest thing that I put emphasis on every day is this,
you know, sense of needing to build trusting relationships in
the workplace, especially because it's those trusting
relationships that help someone navigate.
Difficult situations. It helps them navigate their
careers, it helps them grow, it helps them develop, change,
whatever it might be. And I think one of the things
that continues to be a thread throughout all of my episodes is
this emphasis on building really strong trusting relationships.
Because someone could have a lot of relationships in the
workplace, they might not all be trusting.
So I always like to say trusting relationships, you don't want to
have empty ones. So I love that Alliance is one
of those key monikers and care, you know, you said it, it's a
buzzword or a buzz phrase, psychological safety.
It's true. But I love, love, love that you
brought it back to innovation because and that feeling of
being able to make mistakes because this, this, I feel like
this is probably going to be my theme for 2025 because I've been
talking about it a lot. I know you heard it here first.
I, I, I recently did a presentation for a women's
networking group and I talked about how building a culture of
innovation inspires and fosters deeper employee engagement and
drives business results without you even having to think about
it. Because at the end of the day,
and it's very, very much on the nose with what you've said and
what you've shared from your happiness blueprint, that when
people feel safe enough to make mistakes and even fail, that's
where progress happens. That's where innovation pulls
through. And you know, it's funny because
I often, I don't know if, if you feel this way, you probably
think about this way more than I do.
I sometimes I'm like if someone asked me for an example on from
when I failed at something, it would be kind of hard for me to
find something. Not because I've never failed,
because obviously everyone fails at something, but because I
because I've never like really spent a ton of time thinking
about my failures. And when I really like confront
that within myself, I'm like, I kind of feel like that's because
I don't allow myself to fail, but actually failing is a really
important part of success, right?
Actually, I know it's. If you don't mind, Tracy, I want
to take this moment to focus on that just for one second.
Now, there's an exercise that I love to do with others and that
is to write out a failure resume.
So going through all of your, your jobs, your past history and
writing down the failures that you had in those jobs.
And when you start sharing those as a team, you see how
ridiculous it is because everyone has failed, right?
So when you do that, even with yourself, then you can start to
see the positive side. You can start to see, what did I
learn from that? Oh my God, that's how I got to
this area. That's how I got to this place.
Hmm, I'm gonna have to do this. I, I, I'm gonna write my failure
resume and maybe by the time this is out, I'll be able to
post it on Instagram or something like here.
All the times I failed, you know, it's, it's so important
like let's be like even more on the nose about this.
Like the one of the things that sticks out to me in terms of
like failure or like fear of failure is that people have an
incredible sense of of self, right.
Like this is I've just shared that I I almost don't allow
myself to go there because of my pride.
That's basically what I've just said.
So if I right, yeah, ego. So if we all like take a, a part
our, you know, bring inflate our egos just a little bit, we
actually will probably manage to drive our careers forward even
faster. You know, there's, there's so
much in that. Like when I think about the
beauty that comes with finding through these alliances, through
these trusted relationships, an opportunity to hear feedback to,
to make changes to our, you know, the way that we work or
the way that we act or the way that we do things.
It's in those moments where it might not, we might not realize
it, but there's some semblance of failure.
And that's OK. That's not inherently a bad
thing. It just means that through that
feedback, we haven't this opportunity to make huge changes
or differences in the ways that we work.
And, and I, I often think about like playing sports in high
school, for example, or just like growing up and I'm, I was a
catcher in softball pretty much my whole life.
And I, whenever I think about failure, I know, fun fact,
right? Whenever I think think about
failure, I actually like I it's hard, as I've shared, it's hard
for me to figure out or find something from a professional
experience, but my mind always goes to my batting average.
And my sophomore year of high school, it was miserable,
Miserable I. Mean Tracy, you also have to
look at it as when you accept the things that you know you
failed at or you know you you didn't do so well at, that
actually allows you to show up more authentically.
True. When you can do that, when
everyone on your team can do that, it becomes so beautiful
because now everyone's just showing up as they are.
No one's hiding. Anything.
Totally. Where were you when I was on a
sophomore in high school? It took me, it took me a whole
season to realize nobody actually cares what you're like.
Just do, you know, just just do what you're just apply your
skills and don't worry about what everyone thinks and just do
it. And you know, like, I don't
know, it's funny because as like I've been reflecting on like
growing up a lot recently and it's like you grow up and you
think that everyone is watching you and judging you and thinking
about all the every single thing that you're doing.
But actually you are your own worst critic and failure is
totally OK. Exactly.
Am I off base with that? Am I right?
Yeah. No, no, you're absolutely right.
And well, I mean, we also have to look at it as you know, if if
you didn't fail, then you wouldn't learn and you wouldn't
grow. Totally and.
When you don't grow, you die. Yeah, that's true.
Like every other plant or living thing.
Exactly, Exactly. Yeah, yeah.
It's a really. Good point.
Cares about what you know, what award you won that day, or or
even if you did win an award and everyone's clapping for you that
one day, the next day no one cares.
That's right, nobody cares. I don't know if you watched
Schitt's Creek when I mean it actually is a Canadian show
right? So you probably didn't.
I'm in my like 3rd or 4th rewatch at this point and this
phrase of like nobody cares takes me back.
This is very nuanced. Takes me back to the episode of
where David Rose is getting his license because he let it expire
and he's so freaked out and Alexis is sitting in the
passenger seat and she's like David, nobody cares.
And he's like, what do you mean everybody cares?
And she's like David nobody cares.
And it pans to the you know, he kicks her out of the car and it
pans to the scene where he's on the road test and the the
driving instructor in the passenger seat is a DJ and would
much rather be doing that because he was on his phone the
whole time. And David passed his Rd. test
and he realized nobody actually cares.
And so like, I realized this is like a little bit facetious, but
it's something that like, as we grow and as we like swallow our
pride, we find more humility. We learn from one another.
We, you know, practice some additional empathy in the
workplace. Like, you know, this is where
these are the learning moments where we realize, like everyone
is very concerned with themselves and all we can do is
our best and support those around us to do their best.
You know, that's another shit's key Greek reference for us.
So another thing I wanted to point out, Tracy, is that the
Happiness Blueprint doesn't just work at work.
It actually works at home too, like in.
Your oh I love. That, yeah.
So when you think about things like inspiration, well, how do
you get inspired? I mean, when you set a goal for
yourself, you know, whatever the case may be here, you know,
January 1st coming up, chances are somebody's going to want to
lose weight. I want to lose 10 lbs.
And you get inspired, you get sparked, you're like, yeah, I'm
going to do this. Now, a lot of times people fall
off, and that's OK. But with a lot of our goals that
are very important to us, it drives us, right?
So, you know, using the Happiness Blueprint in a
personal capacity can really bring forth a lot of happiness.
I love that. And you know what, it's
probably, I mean, I'm going out on a limb here and you can
totally correct me if you think I'm wrong, but it's probably
more important in some ways to get this, you know, down to a
science in some ways personally before thinking about the
professional. Because otherwise it's probably
a little bit inauthentic, right? If we're, you know, focusing on
all of these things like building trusting relationships,
finding inspiration, practicing empathy, if we're not going to
do those things at home and or for ourselves or with the right.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I love that.
I love something that can be applied full circle 360 without
regard to whether you're at home or at work.
And some cases home is work. Like for most of us, or at least
you and I, I think home is work. And you know, it's, it's nice to
know that, you know, people can kind of take this as blueprint.
I was thinking of another word, but actually blueprint is the
perfect word, which is why it is called the happiness blueprint.
And they can take it in and apply it to their lives.
So I'm curious, I know we, we are just about a time here, but
I'm curious how you have learned from your own blueprint.
Like have you found throughout your life or throughout your
experience as a professional where you kind of had to fill
some gaps or you you noticed that you were kind of moving
away from one of those mantras? Yeah, So people always ask me,
they're like, Anthony, how many times do you go through the
happiness blueprint and rate yourself?
And for me, I rate myself once 1/4.
So I look at, you know, what am I doing with regards to like
feedback? I don't solicit feedback enough,
right? Ever since I started my
business, I, I focused less on inspiration.
And there came a point where I'm like, why do I feel so black?
It's because I had no goals. I had nothing to motivate me,
right? Where I really shine was
relationships. And I've always shine in that
element because relationships mean so much to me, right?
But yeah, I, I do it every quarter just to check on myself,
to see how I'm doing, where I can work on what are the gaps
and, you know, to, to, to make me a happier person.
Because if I'm happier, then I show up happier.
I show up happier for my family. I show up happier for my
friends. Even when I'm up on stage, I
show up happier. Yeah, that's amazing.
So, so yeah, it's, it's, it's something that I love to do
regularly. And you know, now that I've
understood how it branches off on a personal level, I've also
launched a program for leaders. So that way they can do it too,
because naturally the if you're a leader in a, in a company and
you have, you know, you support however many teams you support,
they're looking at you to be the model.
What can I get away with? And if you're not showing up as
you, as your most happiest self, as your most engaged and
fulfilled self, then chances are your team won't be doing the
same thing. Totally.
It's really so true. There's a there is a lot of
observation that happens when a team is observing their, you
know, is looking at their leader there, you know, you kind of are
in a fishbowl and they're have, it's like, sorry, not sorry.
But if you didn't know that when signing up for the job, you know
it now. Everyone's watching every like
just like we said before, nobody cares.
Actually, when you become a leader, everybody cares and you
kind of have to model all of the things that you want to see that
you need to see that you want your team to care about.
All of you know, that's that's kind of the stencil for
everything is that person in that role.
So that's a great point and I love to hear that you're helping
leaders specifically. I think leadership training and
coaching in general tends to be not always like a first, a first
thing for companies sometimes to look at, you know?
Yeah, exactly. So maybe sometimes we gotta
start at the leadership level, you know, and then let it all
trickle down. But Anthony, thank you so much
for bringing some happiness and joy to the podcast this week.
I totally knew this was going to be an amazing conversation, as I
really believe it was. And I'd love for you to have a
moment here to share with the listeners where they can connect
with you, get more information on the Happiness Blueprint for
themselves, or even work with you potentially.
And everything will be in the show notes too.
Yes. So for those of you who don't
know, I live on LinkedIn, so you can always reach me on LinkedIn.
I'm always looking at my DMS if you want to connect with me.
If you have any questions about inner happiness and how to
foster more of it, feel free to reach out.
You can also reach me on Instagram at Smiling Bow Tie or
you can go old school and reach out to me on my website at
smilingbowtie.com. And there you can also find
information on the Happiness Blueprint, how you can define
your happiness blueprint. I have a link there where you
can download a a Canva template and you can evaluate yourself.
And this way you can find your gaps so that you can take
action. I love that.
Yeah, and you can also find my coaching there as well for if
you're a a leader in tech tech specifically just because I
worked in the tech industry for 20 years.
So I understand the challenges that tech leaders have.
I have a coaching program for you.
So if you're looking to foster more engagement and fulfillment
in your role, I know a lot of leaders don't get enough
training and attention that they need in order to best find what
is their leadership style. I'm here for you.
I got you, I got your back. There you go.
Yes.
And for those of you who are looking for a more
organizational approach, I also come in, do workshops, I also do
keynotes and it can start off as a keynote, go into a workshop,
maybe some coaching afterwards. It's I look at it as a holistic
view of how we want to foster more engagement in our
workplace. It doesn't just stop at keynote
speaking. It doesn't just stop at
coaching, but it's it's like a whole gamut of different things
that can be for different organizations.
Amazing, amazing stuff. I think what you're doing is
fabulous and I'm excited to continue to see all the amazing
things that you do. And as I mentioned, all of those
links and everywhere for the listeners to connect with you
will be in the show notes. Anthony, thank you so much for
joining the podcast. I really appreciate it.
Thank you, Tracy. I appreciate you.
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