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Hi, I'm Pete Walmsley and 
welcome back to The Foilers 

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Podcast, a show where we dive 
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In today's episode we talked to 
Adam Strongchak from 

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Stokefoiling. 
Now this is a follow up 

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interview having chatted to 
Hamish from Stokefoiling back in

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August last year. 
A lot has happened since then 

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and Adam joined me to talk 
through their latest product, 

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the Foil Boost Ultra. 
There are some great foil 

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assistant E foil products out 
there, so I was keen to know 

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where the Foil Boost Ultra fits 
into the mix. 

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Importantly, this is not a 
sponsored interview, I'm simply 

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keen to discover and share the 
latest information on new 

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products so you can determine if
they're right for you. 

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As you discover in the episode, 
the Stoke Foil Boost Ultra 

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extends the product range of 
stoke foiling into hybrid 

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foiling, with the ability to 
switch between Foil Assist mode 

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for a booster power or to engage
in a full E foil mode. 

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Let's jump into the episode to 
learn more about stoke foiling 

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and this new product. 
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Welcome to the Fallers podcast, 
Adam. 

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Great to have you on. 
Thank you, Pete. 

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I appreciate that. 
Hi, guys. 

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Can you tell us a little bit 
about your background and your 

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role at Stoke Falling? 
Absolutely, Pete. 

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So my original background is 
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So I was a professional 
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into windsurfing when I was 
around 7 years old because of my

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parents. 
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kite boarding, wakeboarding, 
then foiling, falling behind the

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boat, falling behind the kite, 
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wing falling, prawn falling, now
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recently even power winging. 
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back in the day in Sardinia for 
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So I was in merit in the water 
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from from a very, very long 
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And I came on board with Stoke 
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haunted by, by Hamish through, 
you know, a couple of mutual 

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friends and, and now we are 
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Stoke. 
Fantastic. 

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Hamish was on the Foiling 
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In fact, he was my very first 
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So welcome. 
Welcome back to to you guys. 

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We are stoked that stoked to be 
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You guys brought out a new 
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called the Stokefoil Boost 
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So can you give us an overview 
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Ultra and what inspired its 
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Where did that? 
Where did the idea come from? 

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Yes. 
So the Stokefoil Boost Ultra 

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like you said it's a brand new 
product in our line up and it 

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was brought to market because 
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So this is designed mainly for 
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When we released our first stock
for Boost as a purely as an 

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assist product, we realized 
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maybe 8 months into into the the
whole stock for boosting that 

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you know people actually want to
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powered. 
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worked really well for assisting
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additional power source like you
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for wind falling bumps down 
winding waves often for that but

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slightly under powered to be 
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the lineup and catch that wave 
against that was solely the 

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reason of releasing the Ultra as
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particular application. 
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What were the the kind of the 
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innovations that you focused on 
more power essentially a longer 

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lasting or? 
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thing for us was to have more 
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the whole unit. 
So we have a brand new custom 

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built motor. 
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high-powered battery. 
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architecture as well. 
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that we introduced to to the 
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Our original remote did really 
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paddling, but was slightly too 
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And majority of people that want
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on small short boards. 
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We still have mounts where you 
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winging handles or paddles, but 
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It's really ergonomic, has a 
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really bright LCD screen. 
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It's interesting you talk about 
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what I've heard, has been an 
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products on the market. 
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stuck on. 
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the back on's a bit of a concern
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and the can be pretty dangerous 
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So it's interesting that you're 
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because I think that, you know, 
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the industry up until now. 
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Because majority of the we 
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quite, quite a lot as well. 
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the market, they are done by a 
third party like a skateboarding

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remote that's pretty much 
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We were designing ours, but 
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mechanism because you mentioned,
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and the probe being on have kind
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So when you pull on the trigger 
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then it compresses. 
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you use it 100,000, you know, 
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on the springs. 
So the springs tend to break and

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we redesigned that as well. 
So our new remote actually works

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on the compression kind of 
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It compresses the spring when 
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it comes back to its natural 
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So you have kind of less rain on
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But that's just one little bit 
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We've done so much with this 
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It's incredible. 
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And that's fantastic because, 
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important part of it and the 
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of things. 
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sort of engineering challenges 
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new remote, new engine, battery,
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engineering challenges like I 
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So this this question is more to
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I actually asked him to write me
a couple cheat notes and so I'll

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read off of them. 
I know what they are, but Hamish

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put it in a really nice way. 
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actually designing that remote 
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to actually make it super 
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used for all falling 
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and falling, but that it doesn't
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prone falling. 
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designing that very brand new 
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sourcing all the parts and motor

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to, to achieve that thrust and 
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of mindset in mind where the 
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free. 
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from Japan, from other parts of 
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happen. 
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know, technology, the battery 
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quickly. 
So we are able to sort the best 

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battery cells that are on the 
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that we can pack into that small
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And what makes the Ultra 
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devices, what do you see is 
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competitive differentials out 
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There are a few. 
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the ease of use and ease of 
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So if you look, you know at 
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products, they're all good, but 
it takes time to to mount them 

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on, on your existing setup. 
Our goal was to be able to set 

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everything up within, you know, 
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I don't know Pete about you, but
when I go forwarding even 4 

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screws for a mask, it's too much
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It drives me crazy. 
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20 minutes setting up a motor, 
that's another really big 

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challenge. 
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super simple where you know, it 
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it. 
If you want to change the height

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of the motor on your mask, you 
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You don't have to go back to 
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too low, you can do it and you 
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And then when conditions change,
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that you can take it off really,
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So I don't know, let's say 
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foiling at 10 knots. 
You need the motor to help you 

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up. 
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change. 
You got 1520 knots. 

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Obviously you don't want that 
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mouth. 
It's unnecessary to have it to 

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both out to your car and you 
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original setup. 
So that'd be one of them. 

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Another is just one package 
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need to purchase any additional 
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So there's no need of choosing 
picking, everything is pretty 

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much ready to go straight from 
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systems out there, a lot of 
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well, buy a second mast and have
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So they've got that system ready
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that extra bit of gear. 
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understand, just goes on your 
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You put it on the mast, you can 
choose your height, you can move

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that around and take it off. 
Yeah, that's absolutely correct.

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You know, all the systems that 
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on your existing setups. 
But the benefit of Stoke is that

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the ease of mounting it is 
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Anything else that's that's out 
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ball, that's it. 
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this here where I live on 
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people that write competitive 
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have a dedicated set up for 
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You know, they keep it assembled
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Whereas with ours you just you 
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car and set it up right on the 
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So, yeah, some advantages and 

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just that, as you say, the ease 
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Can you talk us through the 
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How does the ultra help riders 
and what are the best 

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disciplines do you think in 
situations for a? 

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Yeah, yeah, Pete, we we already 
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already. 
So we designed this for hybrid 

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following. 
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majority of people, as we spoke 
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use it on prone for setups. 
So this was built for prone 

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following in mind for that, you 
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application. 
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shines. 
It shines on on on small setups 

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with you know, the changes to 
the remote that additional power

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you can use really low volume 
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There's plenty of thrust to get 
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still be used like the original 
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So it can be still used, you 
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It can be used for stand up 
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It can be used for downwinding 
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sports falling application. 
You can use the Ultra as well. 

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And is there a sort of a skill 
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beginners or intermediate or 
advanced, where does it fit in 

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in the in the mix there? 
Yeah, this is a fantastic 

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question because it can be used 
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because as we know, foiling is 
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introduce additional things to 
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falling like a wave or wind or 
wing or anything like that, it 

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becomes really, really 
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So Ultra really does a good job 
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So you live on a lake, you don't
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Well, you can E fall that if you
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foil behaves how, because 
everything is, you know, on the 

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in the trigger. 
It's kind of like riding a dirt 

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bike where you just squeeze the 
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experienced rider. 

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for the discipline of your 
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out there. 
So it helps on extending that 

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foiling timing. 
But there's a lot of people that

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riders they just fall in love 
with hybrid falling. 

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They don't do, they don't want 
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just like that. 
The ease. 

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If someone has, I don't know, 
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if they want to lunch break 
during work, they want to puddle

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out. 
Well, they're going to catch 2 

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waves. 
You go with the ultra in that 45

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minutes you can catch, you know,
1020 waves. 

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So it's, I would say it's for 
both. 

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It's it depends where you are. 
It can help you with whatever 

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kind of goal you got. 
Yeah. 

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And look, I suppose there's, 
there's some people that, you 

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know, particularly maybe older 
people or people with shoulder 

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problems, they want to, don't 
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trying to catch their waves. 
They can just pull the trigger. 

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They can get up and get going. 
I suppose that's a that's a real

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advantage for lots of people. 
Yeah, that's, that's absolutely 

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right. 
People with, you know, minor 

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injuries, like you said, you 
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it is a little bit older and 
they don't they don't have the 

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dynamics of, you know, being 
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board so quickly. 
And they can, they can use that 

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as a tool to help them, you 
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falling, which is, you know, one
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in my opinion. 
Yeah, it's fantastic. 

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One of the questions I think 
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on their mind with really any 
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we're out there, once we're up, 
if it's prone falling or 

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downwinding, we're we're wanting
to pump along and the foil 

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assists, no matter what system 
it is out there at the moment, 

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adds weight to the system. 
How does the how does your 

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system behave? 
What does it feel like in terms 

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of of of actually pumping along 
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Works really well, but but like 
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mind that you're adding weight 
to the board. 

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So obviously the dynamics of 
pumping, the dynamics of your 

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ride, they will change because 
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slightly over 5 kilos onto your 
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though, with both models. 
The the cool thing about this is

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if you are in that level where 
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pump, you can move that entire 
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really quickly. 
And like we said before, you 

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don't have to purchase anything 
else. 

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You can move it up or down 
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parts to it. 
So if you are a good pumper and 

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you want to connect waves by 
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motor, you can do so by moving 
the the unit you know up closer 

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to your board where you have 
more clearance in terms of the 

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swing weight. 
Our unit is quite long so we get

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a lot of questions, you know how
that behaves on the mask. 

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You actually don't really feel a
difference when you compare it 

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to other competitive products 
out there because the battery 

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much weighs almost the same as 
the motor so that the 

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counterbalances itself. 
So it feels feels like it's not 

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there. 
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heavier, so it is there. 
But in terms of the swing, swing

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weight, you don't really, you 
don't really seal it. 

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And how did you find that 
balance because obviously you 

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know, a bigger battery, more 
powerful motor, things get 

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bigger and obviously you can 
make it bigger and bigger, but 

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you've got to find that that 
happy medium. 

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And how did you go about that 
process? 

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We're aiming for that, you know,
about that 5K mark, you know, 

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looking at, at other things on 
the market and looking at our 

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boost and knowing already, you 
know, how the boost behaves with

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our, you know, let's say the XR 
battery. 

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We kind of felt that this is 
this is like almost the top 

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limit where we want to go. 
And, and that gives you a little

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bit of sacrifice in terms of the
battery capacity, but that's the

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trade off. 
If you want to keep the weight 

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down, but you want to keep the, 
you know, the power up, you're 

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going to have to cut from 
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So especially with with the way 
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battery, placing it at the front
of the unit. 

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So we wanted to go, you know, as
light as possible, but also not 

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sacrificing the thrust and 
having that, you know, minimum 

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like 25 to 30 minutes of 
constant equal use within the 

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unit. 
Because when you're going to use

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this, let's say for a hybrid 
folding application that 25 

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minutes to half an hour full 
thrust will give, you know, it 

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should give you about an hour to
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you're not going to be using 
that motor all the time. 

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So all the factors kind of 
played in the play the role day 

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and. 
What about I? 

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I was listening to a YouTube 
video this morning and someone 

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obviously right into four 
assists got 7 batteries and and 

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they'll go through all these 
batteries and I haven't heard of

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seven before, but obviously very
keen on getting out there. 

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Can you buy extra batteries so 
you you can plug in on or is 

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that a not available? 
It's not available at this 

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stage. 
However, we are releasing the 

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extra, we call them HP batteries
for that particular unit for the

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for the Stockfall boost Ultra. 
And yes, that was the goal from 

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the very beginning that, you 
know, spare batteries are going 

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to be available because like you
said, people do who want them. 

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Because for a lot of people that
you know, that half an hour 

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fully for it's not enough. 
They want more. 

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And obviously for beginners, 
because when you are, you know, 

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starting out, you will use that 
battery a lot more. 

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You know, when your skill level 
grows, you learn how to conserve

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that power and you learn how to 
write it for longer and longer 

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and longer. 
You know, also for commercial 

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applications like schools for 
instance, you do need that, you 

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know, additional battery. 
So they will be available for 

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for sale very, very shortly. 
And how long does it? 

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I hate to charge the the current
battery if you want to go and 

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then go out again. 
Yep, that's correct. 

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It is long and not long. 
So it takes about two hours to 

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charge the battery. 
With our previous unit we did 

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release our you know like a fast
charger that charge cuts the 

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time in half and we are going to
probably do the same thing for 

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the Ultra. 
But coming back to your 

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questions, two hours on average 
to fully charge the charge the 

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battery? 
Because it's quite a large 

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battery, I suppose, and that's 
part of it. 

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Yes, that's right. 
That's right. 

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If you've got your existing 
system, how modular is it? 

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Can you can you buy the new 
Ultra and use the original 

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remote control and or can you 
buy the new remote control 

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separate? 
Yeah, that's a fantastic 

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question. 
So in terms of receivers and 

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remote, they're completely 
interchangeable between two 

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product lines. 
So they are interchangeable 

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between the boost and the Ultra 
remote and receiver. 

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So let's say you have your 
existing stock for boot, you 

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would like to upgrade to a 
Series 2 because you like the 

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design or you want the 
modularity of your of the 

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receiver. 
You can absolutely do that and 

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you can buy it as an accessory 
on our website, no problem. 

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In terms of batteries, 
unfortunately Ultra was built on

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a completely different voltage 
architecture, on higher voltage 

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architecture. 
So batteries are not 

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interchangeable, even though 
they look very, very similar. 

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We haven't really changed much 
in terms, you know how the 

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battery mounts to the system. 
The blade connectors are the 

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same, the blade guards are the 
same. 

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The Ultra battery almost looks 
the same as our extra battery. 

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We're actually using the same 
nose stones. 

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They have slightly different 
graphics, but the guts, the 

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inside of the battery are very, 
very different. 

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So you can't you can't use the 
Ultra battery on your stockfall 

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boost on the regular stockfall 
boost, and the same the other 

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way around. 
Yeah. 

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So some, some people may choose 
to buy the Ultra and then the 

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original Stoke 4 boost. 
So when the Ultra runs out or 

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they've got a different sort of 
session where they don't need 

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that power and that size of 
battery. 

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But depending on the 
circumstance, I imagine 

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potentially I could swap it out 
and what and have 1 remote 

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potentially between the two. 
Could that? 

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Yes, actually that's exactly how
I used it personally or for 

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demos. 
I have you know one series 2 

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remote and I have series 2 
receiver both on ultra and the 

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stock for boost. 
That way. 

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All I need to do is just pair 
the remote between the unit 1 

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unit to the other. 
I don't have to take the entire,

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you know setup plus that series 
2 remote is just so much better.

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So I just like to use that one. 
We still feel that the stock for

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boost like you just said, it has
its displace for a different 

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application for a different kind
of sort of use case scenario. 

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We already spoke about the way 
if you are a download folder and

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you know a way, it is critical 
for your performance and you 

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actually don't need that much 
power. 

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You don't need the power of 
Ultra to do that. 

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And Ultra and the regular stock 
for a boost is the way to go. 

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It's lighter, it has a smaller 
battery. 

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It's built for that, where the 
Ultra it's built for hybrid 

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foiling. 
Yeah, these foil assist products

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are certainly taking off. 
We're in Perth, WA where I am. 

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We've got all these boats going,
big launches and ferries going 

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out to an island called Rottnest
Island. 

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It's not unusual now to see up 
to four people on foil assist 

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products sitting on the back of 
a ferry. 

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Yeah, it's like we're running 
out of room on that one. 

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You're going to have to get on 
the next one kind of thing. 

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It's really, really taking off, 
particularly in winter, where in

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WA here we don't have as much 
wind. 

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Summer not a question whether 
whether the windiest state in. 

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In Australia in terms of wind in
summer, but in winter you know 

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it's it dies right down. 
So everyone's getting them out 

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and getting out there. 
That's, that's exactly right. 

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And I remember about a year ago 
I had a e-mail inquiry from US 

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and the guy was asking can the 
stock for booth be used for 

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tanker falling? 
And I'm like, you know, I do 

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every single falling kind of 
discipline there is. 

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I'm like, what is tanker falling
like? 

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I've never heard of that. 
And he apparently lives in 

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Texas, somewhere close to Corpus
Christi, where it's, it's, it's 

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a Gulf of Mexico. 
So they don't really get waves 

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and they get bumps. 
They just cruise behind big 

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tankers. 
So that's exactly what they're 

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doing is exactly what you said, 
that it's happening in Perth. 

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They just basically chase the 
tankers and chase the, you know,

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the wakes of the tanker. 
Really cool, really dangerous, 

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but it seems like fun. 
Yeah. 

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And I think they can go a long 
way as long as they pretty well 

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want riding those tankers. 
I mean, most people in Perthy, 

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they're riding for 2/3 case. 
But I think those tankers can go

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as long as you like, as far as 
you wanna go away from your 

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original destination. 
You gotta get home, obviously. 

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That's the thing. 
And that was that was the 

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question that the guy was asking
actually, you know, let's say, 

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you know, I'm really far 
offshore. 

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Can I E foil it back? 
Can I E foil it back? 

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Because majority of the time, 
you know, I'll be on foil. 

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I'm not gonna be using a lot of 
battery. 

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I'm gonna use it just to get on 
that way. 

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But I might, I might be, you 
know, a couple nautical miles 

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offshore. 
Can I, can I etho it back? 

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Doesn't have enough power to 
actually get me on a small 

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board, get me up and etho me 
back to shore. 

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So yeah, this is really 
interesting. 

452
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,960
I've never tried that one. 
Now I did a little bit of wake 

453
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,680
thieving on lakes with just 
pamphor setups, but I've never 

454
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,040
done it behind a tanker. 
I should go to Brisbane to the 

455
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,760
harbor and try it out. 
Yeah, I've never tried it. 

456
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,360
I've spoken about my kind of 
journey pump foiling and and 

457
00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:11,640
that's, that's, that's been 
pretty difficult. 

458
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,560
And I must admit the foil foil 
assist products that are 

459
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,000
incredibly tempting when you try
the journey of of throwing these

460
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,280
little boards and jumping on 
them. 

461
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,960
Yes, it has. 
Has there been? 

462
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,600
I remember when I spoke to 
Hamish, he talked about some of 

463
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,640
these foiling yachts using your 
assist product. 

464
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,520
What's? 
Yeah, What's been happening with

465
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:33,640
that? 
How's that evolved? 

466
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,600
This is, this evolves quite a 
bit. 

467
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,760
It's it's a really interesting 
thing because I think we are 

468
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,160
the, you know, the world's 
fairest that actually power up 

469
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,120
foil boats. 
They're not big boats. 

470
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,200
So we're not talking about, you 
know, the Super yachts on foils 

471
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,240
and then putting a stock on it 
and getting them on foil. 

472
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,240
Obviously that's not going to 
work, but we're talking about 

473
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,680
foiling dinghies. 
So we are in the partnership 

474
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,320
with Wasp and Skida and that's 
actually with the original stock

475
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,920
for boosters Ultra. 
The the original stock for Booth

476
00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,960
has plenty of power. 
Those both are really efficient 

477
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,840
and they got, you know, bigger 
kind of square meterage of of 

478
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,880
the sale. 
So they create that apparent 

479
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,040
with really, really quickly. 
So that little boost are those 

480
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,080
really marginal conditions when 
they can't get up on foil now 

481
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,880
they can't. 
So they can practice, they can 

482
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,560
race in conditions that, you 
know, you wouldn't be able to do

483
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,520
that before. 
So this is growing. 

484
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,600
We got more interest from other 
falling brands, I mean falling 

485
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,760
brands in the world that would 
like to use that as well. 

486
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,640
We just opened up a conversation
with the switch boats. 

487
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,560
So this is growing and this is 
really interesting. 

488
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,080
I've never thought that you know
a foil assist will kind of find 

489
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,000
its place in in yachting almost 
right? 

490
00:23:36,120 --> 00:23:38,760
Yeah, yeah. 
That whole falling and yachting 

491
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,640
and boats is, is getting pretty 
interesting as well because it's

492
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,160
just such an efficient way for 
them to get up and going, I 

493
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,480
think from what I understand. 
And that's where kind of foiling

494
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,400
started. 
It started in the yachting kind 

495
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,520
of area and then he moved into 
recreational kind of surfing and

496
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,640
and windfoiling and so forth. 
Yeah. 

497
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,680
That's exactly right. 
And what we found really 

498
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,360
interesting that a lot of people
that are into foiling dinghies, 

499
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:00,960
they actually are windfoilers as
well. 

500
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,680
So that kind of really cool 
complement complementary product

501
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,800
for them because they can put it
on their on their falling dinghy

502
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,280
if they want to or if they want 
to go, you know, wink foiling, 

503
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,560
they can put it on their wink 
foil set up. 

504
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,200
So it's really exciting to to to
see that. 

505
00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:17,800
That actually prompted a 
thought, another question in 

506
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,400
terms of putting it on different
things that it made me think 

507
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,280
about travel. 
What's the system like in terms 

508
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,600
of travel and people are wanting
to go to different places around

509
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,160
the world with their full assist
products? 

510
00:24:28,360 --> 00:24:31,200
Yes, fantastic question. 
And we don't have the solution 

511
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,840
out yet for the Ultra. 
Unfortunately with the Ultra and

512
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,800
you know the the air travel 
regulations you're not able to 

513
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,280
travel with the Ultra, the 
battery is simply too big. 

514
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,560
We know that you know, 
competitive products they, they 

515
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,200
have split back and that works 
really well for them. 

516
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,360
With our current design, the 
split battery is it's not 

517
00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:53,200
possible to, I mean everything 
is possible, but with the, with 

518
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,960
the current battery placement, 
it's really challenging to do 

519
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,480
something like that for the 
Ultra because of the power. 

520
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,760
We can't really sacrifice the 
battery capacity because it 

521
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,280
diminishes the sense of having 
that unit. 

522
00:25:04,360 --> 00:25:07,080
If you can only afford that for 
5 minutes, well, that doesn't 

523
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,160
really do what it's supposed to 
be doing. 

524
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,960
We are working on alternative 
solutions, which I'm not going 

525
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,400
to share with you guys just yet,
but we are working on the travel

526
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,240
solutions for the Ultra as well.
So this is coming, how quickly? 

527
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:20,200
Not sure, but it's coming. 
If you want to travel, I would 

528
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,040
recommend getting into the 
Stockfall booth rather than the 

529
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,760
Ultra because we have the travel
battery for that particular 

530
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,600
unit. 
But with that said, if you are a

531
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,640
prone foiler, that's not a 
solution for you, not enough 

532
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,480
power if you want to do hybrid 
foiling and the travel battery, 

533
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,040
if you're on a small board for 
the original Stockfall booth, 

534
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,400
it's not going to give you much.
So more for stand up paddlers, 

535
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,560
downwinding and windfall. 
So the the big change in 

536
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,480
application as we kind of I 
suppose we've covered a bit is 

537
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,080
this is this is a prone falling 
system and the other one wasn't 

538
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,720
wasn't really powerful in that 
way to do that. 

539
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,480
It was an assist system, but 
this can be used prone, falling 

540
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,560
with a smaller board, etcetera. 
That's exactly right, but you 

541
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,760
can think of it, both units kind
of do the same thing, but 

542
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,920
they're targeted or they're 
tailored for a different 

543
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,800
application. 
So you can't probe foil on a 

544
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,920
stoke fold boost, the normal 
one, the regular one, it just 

545
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,120
has less power, so you have to 
have more technique. 

546
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,640
Hybrid falling is not going to 
be possible, but it will help 

547
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,520
you getting into the waves, like
really fat waves, really small 

548
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,360
waves. 
It will help you get on them. 

549
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,720
If you are really good, you 
might be able to do a little bit

550
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,440
of hybrid foiling with that, 
whereas Ultra you'll be able to 

551
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,760
do it for a really long time. 
But if you want to use it as an 

552
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,280
assist product kind of like the 
stock for boost for you, like 

553
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,240
your wink falling for stand up 
paddling for them, you can. 

554
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,680
It does a really good job, but 
it is a slightly overkill. 

555
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,920
It's overkill in terms of power 
and then in terms of thrust and 

556
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,720
even in terms of weight. 
So they both kind of do the same

557
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,400
thing, but slightly different. 
And what about, I mean, one of 

558
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,640
the one of the things people, 
people seem to be kind of 

559
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,480
worried about, but it's, I don't
know how front of mind it is, 

560
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,880
but safety's something that I 
suppose comes to mind for me. 

561
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,920
And I have seen some, some 
incidences where people have 

562
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,600
slipped off the back of, of 
boards, their knees have gone 

563
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,520
into the prop and things like 
that. 

564
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,360
What are your, what are your 
sort of safety mechanisms? 

565
00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:10,960
What are your thoughts on on the
safety of the product itself? 

566
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,000
Yeah. 
So let's start off maybe like 

567
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,280
this stockfall boost and 
stockfall boost booth Ultra. 

568
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,280
They're not safety devices. 
Floating is dangerous when 

569
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,520
you're going out there. 
You you're assuming that risk. 

570
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,040
We all accept that it's part of 
part of the game. 

571
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,480
That's why that makes it so 
exciting. 

572
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,520
But with that said, we've done 
everything we possibly can to 

573
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,240
make it, you know, as safe as 
possible. 

574
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,280
So we have safe mechanisms built
into golf units a fairly 

575
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,480
similar. 
So first of all, with the 

576
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,920
remote, both Series 1 and Series
2, you have the throttle locking

577
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,680
mechanisms. 
When you engage the trigger 

578
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,400
once, you won't make the prop 
spin right away. 

579
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,160
Remote will give you a vibration
and got haptics built into them 

580
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,720
and that means you know the 
connection is established, you 

581
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,560
know it's ready to go. 
Be careful. 

582
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,280
Second time you pull the 
trigger, the prop actually 

583
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,720
engages. 
Now, when you release release 

584
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:04,200
that trigger both remote prop 
stops immediately immediately. 

585
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,000
There's pretty much no lag there
when you fall off. 

586
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:09,280
And that's actually the 
technology here actually works 

587
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,040
in our advantage. 
When you fall off and your 

588
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,680
trigger is still engaged, water 
does not conduct Bluetooth. 

589
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,720
So when you lose the connection,
that prop will stop right away. 

590
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,040
Those are those are the the 
safety mechanism. 

591
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,600
But still again, it's not 
exactly. 

592
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,120
Safe, sure, you have to. 
You have to be careful. 

593
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,960
Like riding a motorbike, you 
know, these things are fun, but 

594
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,720
you still have to be careful. 
They've got an element of 

595
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,360
danger. 
And as you said, I mean, it's 

596
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:36,280
the thrill, the challenge and a 
bit of danger that that makes it

597
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,000
exciting in many that's. 
Exactly right. 

598
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,000
One more thing, and I know that 
actually pertains to to all foil

599
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,680
assist units, no matter if it's 
a stoke or a competitive 

600
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,000
product, the way where we 
actually place the motor 

601
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,080
majority of the time actually 
provides a little bit of safety 

602
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,760
because the motor is not, you 
know, the props are not all the 

603
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,360
way down by the foil. 
So and you are most likely to 

604
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,040
hit the foil if something goes 
wrong, that motor is actually 

605
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,840
closer to the board, you know, 
and as long as you're riding it,

606
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,360
this is really counterintuitive.
It's the same with dirt bikes. 

607
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,280
As long as you're riding fast, 
you're usually safe. 

608
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,160
You know, when you're falling 
fast, when you're falling off, 

609
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,800
you're falling off the board 
quite far. 

610
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,160
The majority of those incidents 
actually happen in in really, 

611
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,120
you know, slow speeds or you're 
carrying your equipment to the 

612
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,680
water, off the water. 
That's sort of. 

613
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:26,040
Yeah, yeah, I heard it one where
someone was removing a system 

614
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,520
and it got caught on the mast. 
They were just at home in their 

615
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,600
garage and it finally came off, 
slipped off, and he stabbed 

616
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,240
himself in the leg. 
Straight to hospital, multiple 

617
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,920
stitches. 
And that was just at home taking

618
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,160
the thing off the mast. 
That's exactly right. 

619
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,960
And you know, we touched the 
briefly on that safety mechanism

620
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,520
of the trigger and we have an 
option of actually shutting it 

621
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,720
off because with with hybrid 
folding, you kind of want to 

622
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,280
have access to that thrust right
away, you know, riding away all 

623
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,360
of a sudden you're off the way. 
If you're dipping the motor pot 

624
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,880
into the water, you want to be 
able to go straight away. 

625
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,000
So you can actually shut that 
off in the remote settings, in 

626
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,280
the controller settings. 
And a lot of people do that. 

627
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,480
I have a shut off. 
If you are a beginner or 

628
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,400
intermediate folder not there 
just yet and you're really 

629
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,160
concerned about the safety, you 
can turn it back on. 

630
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,840
It's turned on from the factory.
Sure, sure. 

631
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,760
So the options there and people 
can make their informed choice 

632
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,000
really. 
That's exactly right. 

633
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,720
Where do you see the foil assist
products heading in the next few

634
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,160
years? 
What are the areas of evolution?

635
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,600
Without giving too much away, 
where do you do you see this 

636
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,720
becoming increasingly popular at
different uses? 

637
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,040
Where? 
What's your kind of thinking on 

638
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,440
this? 
I kind of see all that. 

639
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,280
So I see increased uses. 
So we we spoke about you know 

640
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,440
falling boats, you know, one 
year ago this was something 

641
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,080
completely no one was doing it 
and hybrid falling like we spoke

642
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,960
about it took off completely. 
I can see it here locally. 

643
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,480
You see it all over the world. 
You know more and more people 

644
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,000
doing that. 
Before no one was really doing 

645
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,400
that. 
You either had a Etho or you had

646
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,760
an assist product and you used 
one or the other. 

647
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,440
And now kind of all kind of 
blends together where it's 

648
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,520
almost de foiling, but it's not 
de foiling. 

649
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,760
So it's you have the motor, but 
then it's all about riding not 

650
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,080
on the motor. 
So it's all kind of, you know, 

651
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,720
fusing together, which is which 
is really, really cool. 

652
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,480
And obviously where it's heading
now it's heading for more power.

653
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,920
People always want more power. 
It's heading for extended ride 

654
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,320
times. 
So you know, the battery 

655
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,600
technology is changing rapidly. 
So we get bigger and bigger 

656
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,440
batteries, not necessarily 
bigger in terms of of size, but 

657
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,160
but the capacity of the battery 
that you can pack in the really 

658
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:27,960
small package. 
You know, everything is becoming

659
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,120
lighter. 
Other companies and, you know, 

660
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,920
other innovators are thinking 
about different ways of mounting

661
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,480
the batteries in different 
places. 

662
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,160
We can see, you know, evolution 
of waste batteries to take the 

663
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,480
take the weight off off the 
board. 

664
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,320
And there's so many different 
directions where it's all going.

665
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,680
And I think at the end, the 
market will dictate where it's 

666
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,920
going. 
People want to see what people 

667
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,720
want to ride. 
But it's funny, it's like with 

668
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,720
cars, it's like with bikes. 
And I can see it really clearly,

669
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,960
you know, talking to people 
pretty much every day about 

670
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,440
this. 
Everyone wants the longest 

671
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,680
lasting and the most powerful, 
even though majority of riders 

672
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,480
don't really need that. 
But it doesn't matter, they want

673
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,360
it. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

674
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:07,920
I suppose it. 
And it comes down to a skill 

675
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,480
thing. 
If you're, if you're a beginner,

676
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,160
then you probably need all the 
power in the world to get up, 

677
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,200
get used to foiling. 
But as you get better, you you, 

678
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,840
once you're up, you're pumping 
away and catching waves or swell

679
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,120
or whatever, and you don't need 
it as much. 

680
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,360
That's, that's exactly right. 
And you know, once you get 

681
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,640
better, then it becomes a trade 
off between power and weight. 

682
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,960
So, you know, and duration and 
weight. 

683
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,600
So you're getting better. 
You're like, oh wow, now I can 

684
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,000
really start to feel that 
additional weight. 

685
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,080
So maybe I should go for 
something lighter. 

686
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,400
But when it's lighter, then it 
means it's going to be, you 

687
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,120
know, either less powerful, it's
going to last a little bit less.

688
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,160
And then you start to, you know,
play with that, with that kind 

689
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,000
of equation. 
Another question and it's, it's 

690
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,400
sort of a strategy question in a
way is a lot of companies have 

691
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,480
team riders and influencers and 
things like that. 

692
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,160
And that's sort of part of I 
think bringing some of these 

693
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,880
products to the market. 
What what are your approaches to

694
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,640
that and what are what's your 
thinking about that? 

695
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,520
Yeah, so. 
We are developing the sale do 

696
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:10,040
aim for, you know, team riders 
because brand ambassadors is 

697
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,360
basically that's what grows the 
market because if someone wants 

698
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,720
to talk to me, obviously I am, 
you know, associated with the 

699
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:16,720
brand. 
So I'm not going to be is 

700
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,000
trustworthy, right? 
So having people that are, you 

701
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,520
know, actively promoting our 
product by just using it and 

702
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,360
having fun with it, that's the 
best way to go using the stock. 

703
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,960
It's it's a lot of fun and we 
want, you know, a lot of people 

704
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,840
to to use it and to promote 
this. 

705
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,120
And we have an agreement in 
place. 

706
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,160
If you want to become a team 
writer, if you're listening to 

707
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,720
this, please reach out to me. 
And we do have an agreement in 

708
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,640
place and we can definitely help
you out. 

709
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:40,960
Fantastic. 
Yeah. 

710
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,720
And where can people have a look
at or you know, and or purchase 

711
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,600
the stock for Boost Ultra? 
Where is it A available around 

712
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:48,480
the world? 
Yeah. 

713
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:53,360
So we still have slightly above 
70 resellers across the globe. 

714
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,600
They all can be found on our 
website. 

715
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,560
We have like a little find us 
tab, you can click that and 

716
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,320
there's a cool looking map of 
the world where you can click on

717
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,200
it and it's going to show you, 
you know, where our resellers 

718
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,120
are. 
And we have schools that are, 

719
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,440
you know, actively using the 
product to to teach people 

720
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,360
usually wink foiling at this 
stage. 

721
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,880
And so if you want to try it, 
well, first of all, you can get 

722
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,480
in touch with me if you want to 
or go on their website, check 

723
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,600
out your closest reseller, you 
know, e-mail them, give them a 

724
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,159
call. 
A lot of them have demo units 

725
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,480
and you can go and test it out. 
Fantastic. 

726
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,000
Yeah. 
I think, you know, it's one of 

727
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,920
those things people do 
definitely want to have a look 

728
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,440
at and maybe a bit of a demo in 
the mix, yeah. 

729
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,520
If you are, if you are in 
anywhere in like NSW so 

730
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,520
Queensland, you can reach out to
me directly. 

731
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,159
I'm happy to provide a demo for 
you. 

732
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,600
Fantastic. 
Well, that's, that's good for 

733
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:38,719
the local market. 
Yeah. 

734
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:42,440
Any questions that or anything 
we haven't covered that you you 

735
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,840
you'd like to cover? 
It seems that that we we covered

736
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,159
the majority of it. 
But on the questions that you've

737
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:51,400
sent to me previously before we 
sat down, you also were talking 

738
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,400
about you see us and entering 
like the proper ETHO market. 

739
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,640
Yeah. 
And I still feel even though we 

740
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,520
touched upon that it's all kind 
of merging together, I still 

741
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,440
think there's two different kind
of sports. 

742
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,360
So you got E foiling very 
different target market, very 

743
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,160
different people kind of want 
that and you got the foil assist

744
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,480
product in parentheses because 
they become less and less of an 

745
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,440
assist product, they become the 
discipline of their own. 

746
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,440
And as of today, we think that, 
you know, we really want to be, 

747
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,960
you know, the number one in that
foil assist market, in that 

748
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,240
market where it's not 
necessarily an E4, it's more 

749
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:26,840
geared towards people that are 
already doing something with 

750
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,720
other disciplines. 
And we want to kind of be a 

751
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:33,880
gateway to people to start doing
the other foiling disciplines 

752
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,640
because there's so much 
spoiling, like there's so many 

753
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,320
different disciplines and 
they're all awesome. 

754
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,160
And we want people to foil more.
That's basically what we want to

755
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,400
do. 
We want people to foil more. 

756
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,400
Yeah, I remember Hamish talking 
about that. 

757
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,920
He that's what sort of drove it.
You know, he's a he's an 

758
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,000
engineer and he's when you, when
you can't find a solution, you 

759
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,600
you make the solution. 
I think that's what drove his 

760
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,080
innovation in the first place. 
That's exactly right. 

761
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:57,880
And it seems like you know, 
everything is going that 

762
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,080
direction anyway. 
So we are on that you kind of 

763
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,920
electric side of it. 
But if you look at, you know, 

764
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,600
falling brands, midline boards, 
more efficient boards more 

765
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,560
efficient falls more efficient 
than wings for wings falling it 

766
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:10,880
it's all going into this 
direction where you know, no 

767
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,120
matter what conditions you got, 
you'll find something that you 

768
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,200
can do on the water. 
And the perfect example is is 

769
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:18,440
me. 
Actually, I used to I used to 

770
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,520
love wake boarding. 
I live 15 minutes away from a 

771
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,440
whiteboard. 
I used to buy a season pass 

772
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,640
every year before, like even to 
up to two years ago. 

773
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,200
Do it anymore because I don't 
have time for it. 

774
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,560
Because I can always go for you.
I can always go for you. 

775
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,880
Everyday, yeah, we, we had a we 
well, we wake different ones 

776
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,640
over the years, but 14 years, 
yeah. 

777
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,840
And I went from, I went from 
windsurfing to wakeboarding, 

778
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,800
potentially stop windsurfing. 
We got into wake boarding and we

779
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,600
did it for 14 years and that 
boat's long gone and I haven't 

780
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,080
been back to it since. 
Right. 

781
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,080
Even though, you know, the 
feeling of the wake of wake 

782
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,240
boarding is slightly different, 
it has its place to like, you 

783
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:57,520
know, the typical board sports, 
which I don't even know if you 

784
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,120
can call falling a board sport 
because you're not technically 

785
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,480
on the board, right? 
Yeah. 

786
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,240
But I mean, there's so much 
going on. 

787
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:05,920
There's so many changes going on
and there's so much more to 

788
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,760
learn that like, you just don't 
have time. 

789
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,240
Yeah, I, you know, a lot of a 
lot of people falling. 

790
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,520
The most often I think are the 
the fortunate. 

791
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,360
They're out and now they can be 
out in all conditions with these

792
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,720
foil assists. 
No, no wind in the morning. 

793
00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:22,440
Let's say you're out in the 
fall, assists in the afternoon. 

794
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,800
You're you're out wind falling 
or or downwinding or whatever. 

795
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,240
Even tides, right, you're not 
tide dependent anymore. 

796
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:30,560
So you got you got you know 
places where you know you can 

797
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:35,040
only foil certain tides right 
high low depend on depend on the

798
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,480
location, but all of a sudden 
here it's like, well, if the 

799
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,320
tide is too high, then why it's 
too fat? 

800
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,560
Well, checking the foil assist 
product on your on your mouth 

801
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,520
and now if you go and you can 
catch and you don't need a 

802
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,960
friend with a jet ski in the 
boat, you don't need anything. 

803
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,920
Yeah, it's good for us, maybe 
not so good for our families at 

804
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:50,920
times. 
They're probably thinking, you 

805
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,920
know, where where is he? 
Where is she? 

806
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,720
Out in the water having a good 
time. 

807
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:55,840
That's. 
Exactly right. 

808
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,400
That's exactly right. 
I want to ask you a few quick 

809
00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:59,720
fire questions. 
Yep. 

810
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:03,000
So here we go. 
Describe foiling in one word. 

811
00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:05,240
Freedom. 
Freedom What's? 

812
00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:07,800
What's the most rewarding thing 
about foiling for you? 

813
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,720
Constant progression. 
Constant, constant progression. 

814
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:14,240
No matter how good you think you
are, there's always more and. 

815
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,400
What's your favorite place to 
foil? 

816
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,000
I read that question before and 
I don't have an answer to that 

817
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,400
because it's so dependable on 
the discipline, on the way you 

818
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,760
feel that day, on waves, on so 
many. 

819
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,440
That's what you want to do. 
Yeah, yeah. 

820
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,680
And what's the best advice 
you've ever received about 

821
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,760
foiling? 
That's also a really good 

822
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,200
question. 
I started falling really, really

823
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,000
long time ago. 
So that I would say the best 

824
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,280
advice would be that you need to
really feel the foil. 

825
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,560
So feel the foil. 
Don't think, don't think in 

826
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,960
conservative ways of you feeling
the board. 

827
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,760
Feel the foil because this is 
what you're riding. 

828
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:57,320
OK, good one. 
What's been your worst crash 

829
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,000
moment that you can recall? 
I think wing falling has usually

830
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,360
the biggest crash that I've ever
had because you tend to ride big

831
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,120
waves if possible, and as we 
know you can't stack dive the 

832
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:12,040
entire windfall set up. 
So I don't have one particular 

833
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,600
crash. 
I never actually got seriously 

834
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,120
injured, foiling, minor 
injuries, nothing that kept me 

835
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,000
off the water. 
But you know, coping like a 8 

836
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,800
foot swell on your head while 
being connected to to your wing 

837
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,640
and to your wing foil board. 
And those are not fun, no. 

838
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:30,840
No, yeah, our last one. 
What's the next big falling 

839
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,760
adventure or challenge for you 
on the horizon? 

840
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,560
There are two. 
So first of all, I already 

841
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,240
started that power winging. 
I want to because I want to be 

842
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:40,000
able to ride spoils on 
everything. 

843
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,000
So I just started power power 
winging and still a long, long 

844
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,160
journey ahead. 
But I would like to participate 

845
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,520
in the M2O but on on the SAP. 
So that's not going to happen 

846
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,040
this year. 
I'm not good enough yet, getting

847
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,920
there slowly. 
So hopefully in the next year 

848
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,760
I'll go and join the M2O. 
I understand power wingings. 

849
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,640
It's the first year I think 
power wingings in the partly 

850
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:03,600
driven by Cynthia Sinbad Brown, 
who I spoke to recently, who is 

851
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,200
going to go in the competition 
this year. 

852
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,320
From what I understand. 
I think she's out in the water 

853
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,920
all day every day, to be honest.
And yeah, so that'll be 

854
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,200
interesting. 
One, I think there'll be a lot 

855
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,000
of power wingers. 
Going into that as the years go 

856
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,360
by, yeah. 
I'm not sure if I'm gonna do it 

857
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,480
on the power wing or just normal
stand up paddling and depending 

858
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,080
on how good I'm gonna get on the
power wing, right? 

859
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,320
Yeah. 
Sure. 

860
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,120
Really interesting thing because
we're talking about power wings,

861
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:29,800
a lot of guys that are into this
stock for boost, our original 

862
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,800
model, they're actually putting 
them and powering at the same 

863
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,040
time. 
So that's a really interesting 

864
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,160
thing. 
I haven't thought that's gonna 

865
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,560
be possible, but apparently it 
works really well. 

866
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,120
Because I think one of the 
challenges for many for the 

867
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,960
power wing is you don't get that
pump to get up on the foil like 

868
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,720
you do with wing foiling. 
And I think when people are 

869
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:51,040
bringing out new power wing, 
some of the focus that people 

870
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,040
talk about is this has got the 
grunt to get you up out of the 

871
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:55,840
water. 
But so I can, I can see why that

872
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,400
might be the case. 
Because once you're up, you're 

873
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,800
on the power wing, you can have 
the system quite high on the 

874
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,720
mast. 
You're not feeling it so much. 

875
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,600
Exactly. 
That's, that's what I think it 

876
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,160
is. 
And also the feedback from 

877
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,360
people that, you know, use it, 
use the marginal wind 

878
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,800
conditions. 
They'll use stoke to go upwind a

879
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,120
little bit or to help them 
create that apparent wind to 

880
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,120
keep the power wing flying, and 
then use the power wing to go 

881
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,560
upwind and then downwind. 
And yeah, so it's really 

882
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,120
interesting. 
I haven't tried it myself yet, 

883
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,880
so that's the next thing I'm 
gonna try to do as well. 

884
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,960
Yeah, cool. 
I wonder, just thinking aloud, 

885
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,080
one of the challenges we have 
with with dock starting and 

886
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,760
foiling is some of these boards.
So like, I don't know, 10 liters

887
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,880
or less. 
And so if you fall off in a 

888
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,400
channel and you often have to 
swim next to your board, it's 

889
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:42,120
not it's not big enough to to 
actually be able to lie on and 

890
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,120
swim the the the stoke foil 
boost could, you know, be 

891
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,160
attached somehow to the bottom 
of it. 

892
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,120
I don't know. 
And and then you can initiate it

893
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,000
just to get out of the way in in
a hurry. 

894
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,560
Yeah, for pump foiling actually.
Quite a lot of people that are 

895
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,600
getting the Stoke foil boost 
ultra for pump foiling for a 

896
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,520
variety of reasons. 
One will be that the second it's

897
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,080
like if you don't have a dock, 
you can't really do it from 

898
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:05,560
shore. 
You can do it now from the 

899
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,040
middle of the lake And you know,
so you basically slip out to the

900
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,240
middle of the lake where it's 
deep enough and then use that to

901
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:12,880
just get up and then pump. 
And, you know, and the ultra is 

902
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,080
powerful enough if your 
technique is good enough that 

903
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,760
you are able to if you can 
establish the connection because

904
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,840
we talked about the fact that, 
you know, the Bluetooth doesn't 

905
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,240
really work through the water. 
But if you're able to get that 

906
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:25,720
10 litre board, you know, 
slightly off of the surface so 

907
00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:27,480
you can catch the connection, 
you know, you can use it for 

908
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,000
pump foiling as well. 
Yeah, I love this overlap. 

909
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,880
I even. 
Saw the other day someone throw 

910
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,880
their dock foil board, they got 
going pumping and then they 

911
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,920
threw out their power wing on 
this tiny board, 10 litres and 

912
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,080
they were going along with a 
power wing on a little dock star

913
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,400
board. 
So this whole combination of 

914
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,360
stuff is getting, people are 
getting so creative, you know? 

915
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,080
We're talking about pump 
foiling. 

916
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:51,520
I saw a couple of reels where 
they using that really small 10 

917
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,120
litre board or 15 litre board 
and then grabbing a wing from 

918
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,240
their friend on the boat and 
then, you know, winging a little

919
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:58,080
bit like. 
Falling. 

920
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,200
It's just. 
Such as such an outlet for 

921
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,440
creative creativity. 
It's it's amazing. 

922
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,120
Yeah. 
It's yeah. 

923
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,640
And. 
Everyone's, I think we're all, 

924
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,160
we're all stoked about where 
it's going. 

925
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,800
It's, it's an exciting time. 
I think we're pretty fortunate 

926
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,520
to be able to be at this time 
where this sport is, is taking 

927
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,160
off. 
It's like we're on the at the 

928
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,320
forefront of the. 
Entire like it's a it's a water 

929
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,280
sports revolution. 
Really, if you think about this,

930
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,800
it just opens up so much more 
than, you know, regular boating,

931
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,680
yachting, kiting, whatever you 
want to call that was before. 

932
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,440
It's like, and we are at the 
forefront. 

933
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,440
We're all trying new things, you
know, learning new things, 

934
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,280
learning from others. 
And that also creates that sense

935
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,080
of community, which, you know, 
it's, it's really hard to find 

936
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,000
nowadays with all the 
technology, you know, like we 

937
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,560
kind of tend to be more and more
distant from people. 

938
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,840
And this brings us all together 
and the same time. 

939
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,080
Yeah, it's amazing. 
It's a beautiful time to be 

940
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,240
alive. 
It's fantastic. 

941
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:50,360
And look one of the. 
That was interesting. 

942
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,280
When I was talking to Cynthia, 
she was saying with the power 

943
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,800
wing now when they do down 
windows, if someone comes off 

944
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,560
foil or falls down, if you're 
just doing a down window with a 

945
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:58,680
paddle, that's it. 
They're lost. 

946
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,480
They're not gonna catch you and 
you gotta keep going. 

947
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,240
But now they, they head up wing 
with the power wing and they 

948
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:06,000
wait for them to get up. 
And you know, and the foil 

949
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,160
assist systems have got the same
sort of capacity. 

950
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,120
You know, someone comes off 
foil, you can just wait for them

951
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,120
to get going again. 
And, and you can, you can do 

952
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,800
things as a group. 
You can stay together. 

953
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,040
You've got a lot of control over
that, which is fantastic. 

954
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:19,760
That's exactly right. 
And another. 

955
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,400
Amazing thing coming back to the
you know, the the motorized 

956
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,200
stuff, it's again opens up, 
let's say down winning to a 

957
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,640
really a lot bigger, wider 
audience down winning with the 

958
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,160
paddle. 
It's extremely hard, like it's 

959
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,120
so hard. 
And I feel like it's only for 

960
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,160
the chosen few. 
You know, you got to live at the

961
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,000
right place, you know, be 
relatively fit. 

962
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,040
You got to have the technique, 
have the grip, which not all 

963
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,080
everyone has and have the 
mobility. 

964
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:45,800
You have a lot of different 
things going on for you to 

965
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,040
actually get into that. 
But now with with, you know, our

966
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,560
product or competitive product, 
all of a sudden, you know, 

967
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,960
people that would never think 
about going down winning, they 

968
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,480
can and then it's possible they 
can do it. 

969
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,360
Just absolutely amazing. 
It's an exciting time. 

970
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,600
It's been fantastic chatting to 
you. 

971
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,840
Thank you for coming on the 
Fallers podcast and great to 

972
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,840
hear about the the new product 
and I wish you guys really, 

973
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,880
really well with it and keen to 
hear as you continue to evolve 

974
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:12,800
in this fantastic industry we're
in. 

975
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,560
Thank you very much for the 
invitation. 

976
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,400
We're honoured to be a part of 
of Fallers, you know, and doing 

977
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,440
this with you. 
So again, thank you very much 

978
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:20,760
Pete. 
I appreciate that.