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Episode 36 in the Beginning 
podcast Courtney Arkanson How 

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are you I'm. 
Good, Liam, I'm good. 

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It's been a big week. 
Back down and back down. 

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Hey, I was back down in Sydney. 
Yeah. 

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You thought we had bad weather 
up here in QLD? 

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For the last few weeks, about 
the weather, it was. 

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Shocking. 
I went down. 

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I actually got out for a little 
trot on Coogee. 

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Yeah, it was so windy. 
You know when you're running and

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someone ankle taps you? 
You didn't fall over. 

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And I did fall over, but I 
actually a few times my one of 

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my legs kind of like clipped 
over onto the other leg just 

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because of the wind. 
Spare thought for my dad and my 

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brother who just through bad 
timing, have spent the last 

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couple of days down at 
Bonneville Golf Course just near

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Coffs Harbour, just South of 
Coffs Harbour. 

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OK, now Bonneville Golf Course, 
for anybody out there who knows,

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is one of Australia's nicest 
courses and consequently one of 

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Australia's more expensive 
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You have to stay on the resort 
out there and it's not cheap to 

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play on there. 
They got nine holes in before 

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essentially the place turned 
into a swimming pool and so much

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so that everybody else cleared 
out of the resort and my dad and

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my brother were basically stuck 
there hanging out in Coffs 

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Harbour at pubs because I 
couldn't play any golf. 

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Well, that's not too bad, but I 
suppose that's what you get when

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you go and play golf, right? 
Now we got, we got some running 

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stuff to get to. 
We have. 

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I just want to, I've got a 
little surprise for you. 

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You've been gifting me things 
left front and centre. 

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OK, this isn't actually a 
tangible thing I can give you 

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yet, but it's it's what I'd call
giving you some hope. 

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I have sent out a couple of, 
I've reached out to some people,

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right? 
And what I'll tell you now is 

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that we and the podcast are 
currently on a list, on a list. 

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We're on a list. 
On the cutting cutting book. 

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No, we are. 
Well, we're in. 

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We're in a queue of sorts. 
OK. 

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We are currently in a queue. 
A hopeful queue. 

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Not a guaranteed queue, but a 
hopeful queue for an interview 

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with a very, very big name 
that's coming to town in a 

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couple of months time. 
Do you want? 

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Do you want anything more? 
Well, I'll just assume you're 

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not gonna tell. 
Me. 

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Well, I can, I can. 
I mean are. 

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You gonna name drop it there? 
I think we should leave it there

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'cause you can't name drop, OK. 
I'll leave it there. 

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We'll probably learnt learnt 
from this. 

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Don't name drop unless we got. 
We'll leave it there. 

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We'll leave it there. 
That is the how's, how's that 

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start? 
Not with a big story, but with a

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big tease. 
But this podcast is on a short 

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list, a hopeful list for a very 
significant interview. 

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Yep, and we'll leave it. 
There talk about significant Roy

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games. 
Royd. 

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Olympics. 
The enhanced games players. 

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It's not the ROYD Olympics. 
Howdy. 

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James Magnuson, what you you're 
across this. 

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This is in your news, in your 
wheelhouse. 

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So if you haven't now, if if 
you're running along or whatever

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in your car and you can't Google
things at the moment, when you 

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get a chance, jump on Google and
Google James Magnuson Enhanced 

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games. 
He's huge at the moment. 

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He's enormous. 
So I think, and, and I might be 

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paraphrasing, I might get some 
of the details wrong here, but 

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James Magnuson, when he was 
swimming at the Olympic Games, 

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was weighing in at 95 kilos. 
So he's a big guy, right, But a 

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powerful sprinter. 
I think he said that during his 

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peptide period where he was 
taking all this to get ready for

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the enhanced Games, he got up to
115. 

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Yeah. 
Wow. 

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That's heavy for a swimmer, 
right? 

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Peptide coupled with some 
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Testosterone. 
There you go. 

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Testosterone and peptide 
cocktails. 

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Every, every, everything that 
you as an Olympian would never 

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have been allowed to you. 
Would never touch. 

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I see him even try and pull. 
He's pulling Cam Mcevoy's name 

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in here saying you should do 
this. 

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Like that's a big slack. 
I don't like that at all. 

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Why do you like that? 
Hey, each of their own if he 

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wants to play this game, that's 
fine, but don't don't be saying 

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other names around this space. 
You know, that's for everyone to

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make their own decision because 
as soon as you get, as soon as 

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you're talking about drugs and 
then talking about athletes and 

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just, you know, even the, the, 
you know, the correlation 

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between that, you know, I'm not 
a big fan of that at all. 

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What I am, what is funny 'cause 
like I saw peptides, I was like,

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because obviously this is about 
not testing. 

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If you go back to that, all the 
AFL saga of you know, how long 

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ago would have that been 6? 
Years. 

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The ASADA stuff, that would have
been intense. 

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Yeah. 
No, I think the the Sharks, the 

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Cronulla Sharks got wrapped up 
in the ASADA stuff in 2013. 

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Oh. 
That long ago now. 2013. 14 not 

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new, but the whole around that 
is is there was no testing for 

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it. 
They just got caught out like 

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they just got with the they got 
caught with their pants down. 

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So it's kind of funny in a way. 
I think you know the test 

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Australians one thing, but the 
peptide side of it is and it's 

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not gonna probably get picked up
to in in I'm not across drug 

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testing at the moment and how 
far they can go. 

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But like, it's one of those, 
yeah, one of those topics where 

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you're kind of like. 
Jeez, quick back story this The 

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reason I remember the year is 
'cause I started in radio as a 

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producer in 2013 and I remember 
the day that it sort of broke. 

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The news broke that the Sharks 
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I was working on a sports show 
in Sydney and I remember my boss

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then going, well, what are you 
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And I was like, I don't know, 
like I was, I was literally just

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learning how to be a radio 
producer and this story broke 

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early 2013 and the boss going So
what are you doing about it on 

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the show? 
And I was like, I don't, I don't

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know what I meant to do. 
Thankfully, I was working with 

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an incredible broadcaster and 
come to Danganine, who people 

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would know potentially from his 
voice on Fox Sports and Triple M

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awesome commentator and very 
smart radio guy. 

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And he's like, don't worry, I'm 
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headquarters live. 
I'll, I'll, you just have the 

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line set up in the studio. 
I'll take care of everything 

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else. 
I'll. 

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Say oh, how times change though.
Did I see you down with the 

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Queensland Origin team? 
Oh. 

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Yeah, I've learnt the games. 
I was out making a nuisance of 

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myself. 
Any. 

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Any. 
Any good grabs I should have got

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the audio? 
Well, I, well, we'll get back to

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the enhanced games in a SEC if 
we're gonna go down. 

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Yeah, No, listen, I, I explored 
and I'll get, we'll get this up 

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on the Instagram page. 
What's your pillow policy at 

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night? 
Courtney Atkinson. 

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Pill pillow, pillow policy. 
I wanted, I want to invest in a 

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new pillow right now. 
Oh, here we go. 

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See I've got we've got a bed 
full of I reckon there's 

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probably 6 to 8 pillows on their
beds too many and none of them 

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are and there's no conformity 
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Some are probably 12 years old, 
some are, some are way too big. 

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Some will probably bought at 
Kmart for 12 bucks and then 

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there could be a few good ones 
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And then I see these the ads, 
you know, it's 120 bucks or 

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whatever it is for these pillows
if you sleep on your side a 

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little bit about oh. 
Yes, yes. 

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So your head slots. 
In there and I have all good 

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intentions just to I should just
jump on Amazon or and I should 

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go down to Myers and just buy 
one do. 

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You go the memory foam or do you
like the the down well? 

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No, this is my problem. 
I just got you. 

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Don't know you're a mixed. 
Bag of all sorts depending on 

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the night. 
So pillow policy in my house is 

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a very stringent thing. 
My wife needs the firm pillow 

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behind the head, then needs the 
softer pillows, the cuddle 

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pillow. 
Anyway, because I'm not a 

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serious journalist, I took these
questions into Queensland State 

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of Origin camp and when I prep 
to do those fun videos in camp 

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with the guys, I'd never really 
know what's going to work. 

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Like 12 months ago when I went 
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Origin, I have a list of silly 
questions I'm going to ask and 

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it's sort of it emerges once I 
start asking them, oh, this is 

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working. 
Like last year it was the I 

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asked questions about 'cause 
around State of Origin, there's 

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always questions about 
eligibility or who's eligible to

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play for Queensland, who's 
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And I thought it would be fun to
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eligibility, but everybody 
knows, oh, I'm eligible for 

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Queensland. 
Yeah, but where were you 

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conceived? 
Now let's just say anybody out 

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there doesn't understand. 
I'm asking where their parents 

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conceived them right now. 
Some of the Queensland players 

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last year didn't know what 
conceived meant, so the joy of 

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getting to our Xavier Coates of 
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Where were you conceived? 
And he looked at your blank. 

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And he looked at me and said 
Port Moresby Hospital because he

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was born in PNG in Port Moresby.
And I said no, no, that's where 

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you were born. 
Where were you conceived? 

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And he said Port Moresby. 
And I had to explain to Xavier 

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that conceived means anyway, so 
that was fine, my follow. 

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So anyway, that's what I did 
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This idea I had this year, I had
a bunch of other. 

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Questions Which was the main 
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What? 
What was the one that the? 

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Hook was the pillow policy, 
right Because you when you go 

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into camp as a kid, it's like 
you sometimes you take your 

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pillow. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

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So I said to them, asked all the
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would be most likely to have 
brought their pillow to camp. 

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Now, no one brought their pillow
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But what I unearthed with Tom 
Dearden, the North Queensland 

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Cowboys half, was he is a three 
pillow operator. 

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He rolls 3 pillows. 
He goes one behind the head, one

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between the knees, one to 
cuddle. 

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So he's got a three pillow set 
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So if he cops a hotel room with 
two pillows, he's going looking.

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Well, and I said to Pat 
Carrigan, I'm like, that should 

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be his new nickname in the 
Queensland team, his pillows, 

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because if he's rolling 3 
pillows. 

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But then Pat explained that he 
wouldn't mind giving one of 

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those pregnancy pillows a try, 
one of the long body ones. 

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And then I asked Dally Cherry 
Evans if he ever tried one 

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because Dally's got three kids 
and he said, oh, his wife had 

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one of those. 
I'm like, did you ever give it a

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try? 
And Dally said, yeah, he said it

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wasn't, wasn't for me. 
But the point is, we're standing

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in Origin camp, everyone's 
asking serious questions about 

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the pride of playing for 
Queensland, and I'm there asking

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them about their pillow poles. 
Yep, it was a lot of fun. 

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So who do you go for in origin? 
Because you're like a, you're a 

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pizza. 
I'm a, I'm a swing voter. 

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I'm a swing voter. 
No, I I started doing these very

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silly videos all the way back in
2018 with NSW when I was working

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down there on the show with MG 
got to know some of those Blues 

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players really well and felt 
compelled to support them. 

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There's none of those players 
left in this NSW Blues team. 

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Now I've started to get to know 
some of these Queensland players

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a bit. 
You're on the Queensland bat, I 

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think I'm. 
Certainly more of that side of 

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the. 
Fire. 

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We can continue then, Liam. 
Yes. 

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Now back to the Enhanced Games. 
So James Magnuson got real 

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swole. 
Really, really heavy. 

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I've actually interviewed the 
the creator of the Enhanced 

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Games, Doctor Aaron D'souza is 
his name. 

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He's an Aussie, but he works 
over in London and, and I'll 

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tell you what, when you speak to
him about the concept, it's 

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really interesting. 
It's like I can see why he came 

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I can see why he's pushed head 

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money into it because it is 
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limits of human capabilities. 
Do you think it's like, I mean, 

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it's, it's obviously happening. 
I didn't realise there was an 

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event on where this other guy 
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me. 
Yeah, Greek swimmer, Christian 

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Golomive. 
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out on the Halosport podcast a 
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were going to pay me $1,000,000 
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I'd do it. 
That was enough to then to 

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dangle the $1,000,000 carrot to 
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$1,000,000. 
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of last year and then these 
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broken the record. 
Taking his money by. 

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Point O2 of a second now he's 
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peptides and all the other 
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he's also competing in the band 
swimsuit. 

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That's that's the other part of 
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banned swimsuit. 
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Has he broken just? 
50 metre world record. 

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I think it's Caesar, Caesar 
Chella or Caesar Chella. 

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Done under legal, legal 
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He's with all of this help. 
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He's just beat it so. 
That that, that doesn't talk 

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really great for this whole 
process. 

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would absolutely smash it, even 
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Well, and this is the thing, 
Christian, it's not like 

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suddenly Christian Golomev, 
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record is a long time retired 
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I think he competed at the, he 
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European Championships in last 
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Yeah, 'cause I was expecting to 
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I just saw this before. 
What did he break it? 

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What was the time he did? 
He he swam a 20.0 as 20.89. 

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The previous record was 20.91. 
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see 90s. 
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where the the concept of the 
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little bit is that when people 
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people, there's something new 
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whoa, this has never been done 
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It's illegal, it's X rated, it's
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I think that what they're hoping
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massive shock, you know, But the
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I'm just going to call it. 
It is one big flop. 

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Yeah, I think I am with a 
massive flop. 

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I think it's now it's go, it's 
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seconds, that's a massive jump 
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kind of like, yeah, you know, 
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I'm with you. 
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the more I'm just going, oh, 
yeah, you kind of. 

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When I saw the picture of James,
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Like, this is interesting. 
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the actual performances, it's 
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So back to running. 
Yeah, let's go back to running. 

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Yeah. 
On the weekend, lots and lots of

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that's going on. 
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Bronte at the Gold Coast 30. 
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because next Wednesday we'll 
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She was cruising. 
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she's a not only running well, 
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marathon series yes, podcast 
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Yes, I'll give you more of an 
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Bob, but awesome event. 
I really love that event. 

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I think it's AI love seeing the 
video you put together. 

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I also just think 30 KS are 
really fun distance for people 

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to run like it's a really for 
all the reasons we spoke about 

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with Bronte and Beneter in the 
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I think it's a great distance. 
Yeah, the idea of doing half 

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trail, half Rd, it's great. 
Is that's an event better like 

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in a sense of it's something 
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You don't it's you don't have to
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So I think it's actually a 
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I know Benita was talking about,
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leading up to the marathon, she 
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where you can watch your pace 
and you know, get into that real

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Rd kind of point of view. 
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before it, I like this sense 
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It leaves a little bit to the 
imagination. 

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I was down there watching some 
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have a bit of a, a race against 
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And that's the thing you don't 
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So you know, you can take a bit 
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still be foxing at the. 
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And it's also just a nice way to
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Yeah, If you're all you've done 
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beaches or whatever, yeah. 
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spot where there was a big bog 
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thinking everyone's gonna have 
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and I don't reckon one person 
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That just went straight to the 
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So it's very, very 
disappointing. 

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The other thing that happened 
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what I was engrossed in, was UTA
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in the Blue Mountains. 
Now I've done the 50 a couple of

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times. 
You've raced it once. 

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I've run the 22. 
I've placed in the 22 a few 

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times here. 
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I love this event and it it 
makes me I want to go again next

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year. 
Like I've I've run the 50 twice,

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but watching all a lot of people
I know compete in the various 

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distances, it made me want to be
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I was really, I was quite 
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racing because it's such a great
event. 

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It's such a great. 
Course. 

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Yep, it's. 
Brutal. 

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It's hard, but I yeah, it's 
fantastic. 

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Do you get more envious that 
you're not at that trail event 

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or you'd be more envious that 
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all your mates are? 
I think I'd be more envious 

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about the trail. 
I think I'd I'd the marathon is 

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kind of you could run out and 
like if you really wanted to 

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experience 42 K, you could go 
out and run it tomorrow. 

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But I don't think you could go 
and replicate what UTA gives 

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you. 
Because if you went out and did 

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those trails by yourself, Yep, 
you get it all. 

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But you never have those moments
of the aid stations and the 

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fellow runners that this the the
vibe on a trail, I think is very

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different to the vibe you get in
the mainstream marathon sort of 

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stuff. 
It's popular. 

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One thing I did here, like 
obviously great conditions down 

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there on the weekend, like 
amazing conditions for running. 

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So they've had a few bad years 
of weather. 

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They were queues. 
Have you ever, have you 

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experienced this when you've 
raced this? 

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I've I had someone tell me they 
waited nearly three hours just 

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to start descending or ascending
one of the the latter sections, 

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Yeah. 
So this is I yeah, I said lots 

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of friends were doing various 
distances. 

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I actually a mate of mine was 
attempt it was running the 100K 

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race and they award belt buckles
based on the time you finish and

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he missed his time. 
I think he missed his sub 

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fourteen time by a couple of 
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actually came out and said due 
to the hour long hold UPS at 

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this section of the course, they
were adjusting the belt buckle 

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delivery times, right? 
And yeah, that is something that

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I think that all these courses, 
UTA in particular is going to 

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have to navigate as these things
become more and more popular. 

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Is, you know, we spoke to old 
mate from the Gold Coast 

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Marathon last on the episode 
just gone on Wednesday about 

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they have an algorithm, they 
have a guy sitting over at a 

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computer in Germany wherever it 
was managing the course flow. 

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Of yeah, well, Ron, yeah, Ron 
McDonald said that 100%. 

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So what makes you think is, you 
know, why isn't that a factor in

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these types of trail runs? 
Because it's it it, it hasn't 

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just happened this year, but 
this year sounds like it was. 

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It was, yeah. 
I think someone sent me a photo 

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of it and described it as, you 
know how there's been those 

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famous photos of people lined up
at the summit of Everest? 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
They described as that looks 

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like people waiting for Everest.
Well, we talked about that, how 

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they've got about that. 
Now you've got to go and prove 

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yourself somewhere else before 
you get to run in the big show, 

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which I would never want to see 
because I think trails about 

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everyone getting out there and 
having a go. 

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But it sounds like, hey, not our
problem. 

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But I would. 
I would hate to be the event 

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organisers this week. 
Can I read you a bit of a 

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message that Yep. 
So a friend of mine, Ben ran the

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benefits, ran the Mila, the 160,
ran the 100 mile. 

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And I think this is the first 
time they've offered the Mila at

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UTA. 
I'm pretty sure it's the first 

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time they've ever offered the 
100 mile race. 

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Yep. 
And Ben took it on. 

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Now I'm part of this is Ben's 
part of the running group that 

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I'm involved with down in Sydney
when I can be down there. 

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And one of another one of the 
runners in the dark crew, Tim 

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who did coast to coast in New 
Zealand was gonna pace Ben for 

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some of it and he was gonna pace
Ben through the night section. 

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So through that when they're 
running at 1:00 AM today. 

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They allow that for the 
hundreds, the mile as yes. 

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So and Tim sent out a message 
saying, Hey, can someone, hey, 

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anybody with stories to tell 
anything, anyone who want to 

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send voice notes, send them 
through and I'll play them to 

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Ben through the night. 
And so I sent him some stuff, 

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but I asked Ben, I said, mate, 
can you, would you mind sending 

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me your thoughts on that race 
and how it was? 

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And so I just want to read you a
little bit of what he sent me. 

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He said that was without 
question the hardest thing I've 

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ever done. 
I honestly can't fathom how 

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you'd train for something like 
that without stepping back from 

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full time work and temporarily 
handing over most of your 

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physical responsibilities as a 
dad. 

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So that's the one he's like. 
That's just 'cause he ended up 

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hobbling over the line with a 
knee bandaged up. 

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He was in all sorts. 
Said physically I felt the 

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fittest I've ever been Thanks to
a running programme from his Who

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He had running coaching and a 
specific strength training 

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programme. 
The 1st 50 KS through the Gross 

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Valley was breathtaking. 
Starting in pitch black was 

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surreal. 
Running into the darkness with 

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just your headlamp and your 
thoughts as oddly thrilling it 

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went on, describes more of the 
course. 

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But then he said, where's this 
next line? 

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He says about he got, he was 
getting gentle shoves along the 

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way. 
And then he came into the 

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checkpoint at 90, at the 90K 
mark. 

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And he said the first face he 
saw was someone else from the 

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running group. 
And the, the, the spirits just 

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lifted. 
And the other idea of he's like,

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I've just spent 90 KS basically 
running by myself. 

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And the feeling of walking into 
the checkpoint and seeing people

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in there was. 
Just him. 

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Amazing. 
Scary. 

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Yep. 
So yeah, it it was an amazing 

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read. 
I got quite emotional reading 

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what he went through, but I was 
like, this is a. 

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Long way. 
So how long did he? 

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End up taking, I don't I don't 
even know what his time was. 

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I think the fact that he said he
said he wouldn't have, he said 

447
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,400
he absolutely would have DNF Ed 
without the support. 

448
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,200
Oh, but there's no way he 
finishes that race without his 

449
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,640
support grew without the paces. 
His partner paced him for the 

450
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,120
final section of it as well. 
You. 

451
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,360
Feel some accountability. 
If everyone's trying to help you

452
00:21:12,360 --> 00:21:14,720
too, you kind of just don't want
to, you know, that's always the 

453
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,160
case. 
You know, like with a coach or 

454
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,920
whatever it is, you don't want 
to, you know, pull the RIP cord 

455
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,080
too early. 
But yeah, so shout out to Ben 

456
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,560
for for getting that done. 
It was an amazing and to see the

457
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:24,640
updates and everything, it was 
well. 

458
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,280
Congrats to everyone who you 
know completing all these long 

459
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,320
long races at the moment. 
Both UTA Gold Coast 30 was a 

460
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,360
great lead up for Gold Coast 
Marathon and what are you going 

461
00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:34,920
on? 
Yeah. 

462
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,320
Now we've got some, we've got 
lots of messages coming through 

463
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:38,960
and I think the big talking 
point. 

464
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,120
Yeah, we have. 
And I haven't been able to get 

465
00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:45,760
to all of them, so we will try 
to always reply to everyone. 

466
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,480
There's a few people that have 
sent specific marathon prep 

467
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,360
questions, which we'll hit in 
the next episode with Benita and

468
00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:55,240
Bronte. 
So if you have sent in specific 

469
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,480
questions about training for the
marathons or marathon related 

470
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:58,960
questions, we are going to hit 
those. 

471
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,200
We want to make sure Benita's 
around to answer that stuff 

472
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,360
specifically these Saturday apps
and more. 

473
00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:07,440
Me and just talking rubbish. 
William Googe, Can we get to 

474
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,000
him? 
We can get to him. 

475
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,240
Ben, Ben Tennant has has hit us 
with a couple of questions. 

476
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,640
He's got a question about shoes,
which we'll get to in a SEC. 

477
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,960
But this is the big story if 
you're following the world of 

478
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,760
running at the morning at the 
moment, William Googe is this 

479
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:26,160
English fella who officially now
well or unofficially holds the 

480
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,760
record for the fastest run 
across Australia. 

481
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,600
MMM, so. 
Adam Oh, I've got the quick 

482
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,200
breakdown, Angus, Chris added on
the run across Australia 4 days 

483
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:41,240
quicker than the previous record
and he asked actually is this a 

484
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,040
new thing? 
And now you know how many people

485
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:49,520
are going to keep doing this. 
Well, I think, well, let's let's

486
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,760
talk to backtrack before we 
answer that question. 

487
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,280
Do you? 
Because there's there's 

488
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,160
questions about the the run. 
There's people. 

489
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,360
Oh, really? 
There's yeah, yeah, there's, so 

490
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,760
there is, there are people 
questioning and there have been 

491
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,240
people questioning whether or 
not he because of the data. 

492
00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:11,960
It's the data, right. 
So basically the there's been 

493
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,360
people looking at his heart 
rate, people looking at this GPS

494
00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:19,200
location, people analysing all 
this stuff and saying it doesn't

495
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,560
match up. 
It doesn't, this doesn't 

496
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,400
actually match up with what he's
doing. 

497
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,560
People saying his heart rate 
didn't make sense based on the 

498
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,200
elevation that he was running. 
People analysing his per K 

499
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,120
speed. 
Some people suggesting he might 

500
00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:35,240
have been. 
I can't remember the phrase for 

501
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,000
it, but they are essentially 
handing his watch to someone 

502
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,840
else to run. 
Sounds like people have got too 

503
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:43,320
much time on their hands, yeah? 
I, I, I believe it. 

504
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,040
I believe that he ran it. 
I believe that he ran the whole 

505
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:47,000
thing. 
I believe that he set the 

506
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,280
record. 
I think the old Occam's Razor, 

507
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,080
which is that the most likely 
answer is the, the most probable

508
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,440
answer is probably the true one.
I think there's maybe his watch 

509
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,040
or the GPS was just a bit off, 
but I believe that he's broken 

510
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,000
the record. 
But it's a question of why he 

511
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,200
did it, which I think is the 
more interesting one. 

512
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,840
Yeah, You know, you know, we've 
been at, what, nearly six months

513
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,920
or so at this. 
And if this, if we were talking 

514
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,280
about this when we started 
talking on this podcast, I would

515
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,160
have had a lot more opinions on 
it. 

516
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,040
And you know, what I've come to 
is, you know what? 

517
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:22,840
Good on him. 
Yeah. 

518
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,520
As simple as that. 
Yeah, I, I agree. 

519
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,360
I this is happening it, it's not
just about the run across 

520
00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:33,880
Australia now, you know, 
everyone's making up feats to do

521
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:39,360
left, right, centre. 
And the reality is it doesn't 

522
00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:43,000
matter how much effort you put 
into like you just got to take 

523
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,360
it on face value. 
Yeah, the fact he's beaten the 

524
00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:50,680
old previous record by four days
makes me start to think, OK, 

525
00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:52,920
four days is a long time, long 
time. 

526
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,920
I like the fact and I'm looking 
at it more on a novelty value 

527
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:02,000
because I still will always say 
the reason they're going out to 

528
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:07,080
do this type of let's say, self 
fulfilling. 

529
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,840
Look, I'm making up my own thing
to. 

530
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,600
Go and do. 
My own challenge is again, for 

531
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,960
their own benefits, so it 
doesn't matter how you know, 

532
00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:18,720
often they're done for good 
causes and everything else but 

533
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,760
the. 
Which they almost always are. 

534
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,680
Always are. 
The big ones are almost always 

535
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,160
have a benevolent money raising 
charitable cause behind. 

536
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:33,320
The end outcome is though, the 
individual makes something out 

537
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:37,080
of it for themselves and then 
goes on to then corporatize, 

538
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,240
monetize that. 
To me, there's no getting around

539
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:45,320
that as the end goal. 
So what I like about William is 

540
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:45,920
William. 
Yeah. 

541
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,680
Williams like the did you see 
the cigarette and the beer? 

542
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,520
So you talk about theatre and I 
don't know that's real or not, 

543
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,360
but the the ciggy and the beer 
each night. 

544
00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:56,880
To me when you when you first 
showed me that that they keep 

545
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,440
sitting there doing that, I 
laughed. 

546
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,880
I thought, this is great you 
bought into him. 

547
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,480
I I actually at that point went 
to the you like I'm, I'm bought 

548
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,920
in a little bit because this is 
something different. 

549
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,280
And it's actually nearly quite 
piss taking because if you were 

550
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,720
at the if you were an elite 
athlete and you were taking. 

551
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,280
Yourself, two seats. 
If you're trying to go to the 

552
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,760
Olympics, I can guarantee you as
a runner, you ain't smoke. 

553
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:21,080
Yeah, like, come on. 
So I, I and I'm, I agree with 

554
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:21,840
you. 
I'm, I'm with you. 

555
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,160
Good on you. 
I think should be the first face

556
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,800
value response to anybody who 
goes and sets out there whether 

557
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,280
they achieve it or not. 
Good on you. 

558
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:34,720
Yeah, right to what you said 
then about the the charitable 

559
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,920
cause or and I know that Ned 
when he went out to do his we 

560
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,280
are mobilised raised over 
$2,000,000 for this charity. 

561
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,200
Awesome. 
Which is amazing. 

562
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,520
But that's not why Ned did it. 
That's not why he set out to do 

563
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,200
that. 
He set out because he wanted to 

564
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,440
test himself. 
He set it out for selfish 

565
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,240
reasons, really. 
There was a benevolent, selfless

566
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,840
thing that that occurred as a 
result, but he set it out to do 

567
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,400
it for his own reasons. 
Now, William, I think you could 

568
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:01,680
argue is the same thing. 
Yep. 

569
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,080
He's raised money for, I believe
he lost his mum to cancer, so 

570
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,240
he's raising money for that. 
But that's not why he did it. 

571
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,720
He set out because he wanted to 
do challenge himself. 

572
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,680
So it's an inherently selfish 
mission that they're all these 

573
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,200
and same as those two Lambros 
brothers who go to raise money 

574
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,680
for cancer on their runs, 
they're not doing it for 

575
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:25,560
selfless reasons. 
It's an inherently selfish thing

576
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,000
that everybody embarked. 
When they go to do these things,

577
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,640
they want to challenge 
themselves, they want to test 

578
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,400
themselves. 
They are doing it for themselves

579
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,040
and they are aware and I would 
think it would be naive to 

580
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,440
suggest otherwise that they that
they won't. 

581
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,880
There won't be something waiting
for them at the end of this. 

582
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,240
Yeah, OK. 
Do you know what I mean? 

583
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,720
Yeah, I I mean. 
And that's not to take away from

584
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,280
any of the fundraising. 
Both things can be true. 

585
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:49,800
True. 
At the same time, both things 

586
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,440
can be true, right? 
He looked like he was doing it 

587
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:53,600
easy. 
He did. 

588
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,640
He looked, he looked like a good
like I really like the way he 

589
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,400
runs. 
He he just looked like he was 

590
00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:59,600
cruiser. 
He looked the whole time. 

591
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:04,600
So like when you've seen this 
style of, you know, I think 

592
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,040
there's someone was telling me 
there's a guy running a length 

593
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,200
of South length of Africa at the
moment as well or something. 

594
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,360
And they always look ragged and 
and I wonder if that's part of 

595
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,920
so like, just let's talk about 
the theatre for a moment. 

596
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,720
Let's just pivot the theatre of 
doing this. 

597
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,000
It's to create attention as 
well. 

598
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,840
So you're doing like, let's take
the feed of it and the great 

599
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,200
running feeds out of the moment.
Just look at the theatre of the 

600
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,920
marketing of it. 
So he's taken the approach. 

601
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,240
I look easy. 
I'm doing it on beers and 

602
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,080
siggies. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

603
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,400
And this is this is this is me. 
Then you get, you know, other 

604
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,760
one other, you know, people that
have seen doing around the 

605
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,840
world. 
Like literally I've grown a 

606
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,840
freaking run forest. 
Run beer that I've been because.

607
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,360
I've been going for so long I 
haven't shaved and I've been 

608
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,080
doing it off baked beans. 
And you know, everyone's got 

609
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,320
their niche of how they present 
themselves in a marketing sense 

610
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,920
of then do it. 
I'm not sure which one works 

611
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,920
best. 
Like it's bloody super hard. 

612
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,920
Or in this case it's, you know, 
I did it as a piece of cake and 

613
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,200
I'm having a Ziggy doing it. 
But that's interesting. 

614
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,480
Do you know the name Sean Bell? 
Have you heard of Sean Bell? 

615
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,920
No. 
Well then this is interesting 

616
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,200
because we're here talking about
guys running across Australia 

617
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,200
and everything else. 
Sean, from my understanding, ran

618
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,000
the circumference, broke the 
record for running the 

619
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,240
circumference of Australia. 
OK, so forget running around the

620
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,720
edge, yes? 
So forget running the straight 

621
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,320
line, he's gone one step further
and gone around the thing. 

622
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,560
And a mate of mine went and saw 
him the other day. 

623
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,600
He was. 
He's now gone and telling his 

624
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,640
story in the corporate speaking 
world. 

625
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,560
OK. 
So making a buck out of doing 

626
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:36,680
that. 
Something at the end. 

627
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,040
So I don't even know where I 
want to go with this, Liam, but 

628
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,000
it comes back. 
I'm going to come bring it back 

629
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,200
to that conversation of you've 
got one style of let's say 

630
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,960
insurance runners out there at 
the moment doing this style of 

631
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:54,000
fee and off the back of that, 
just like someone who went and 

632
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,640
did a record up Everest or 
whatever else. 

633
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,240
Coming back, getting on the 
corporate speaking circuit, 

634
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,080
making a good money good buck 
out of doing that verse again. 

635
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,440
Our top athletes who choose the 
rate of I am trying to be the 

636
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,400
best, fastest runner in the 
world, win the Olympic Games. 

637
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:19,200
And by doing that, I struggle to
have the time to be able to do 

638
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,240
all these other things that 
actually create an income for 

639
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,080
me. 
It's a really interesting fork 

640
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:29,120
in the road that you play where 
11 scenario is actually bringing

641
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,800
the people at the top of that 
game are bringing in probably 

642
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,400
I'm, I'm assuming like bringing 
in some really good money. 

643
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,640
And then, and not to say some of
our top athletes aren't either, 

644
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,320
but the general factor of of 
there's a lot of athletes there 

645
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,360
who are very close to the top 
and are struggling to make a 

646
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:50,560
buck. 22 points I want to make 
here or two little tangents I 

647
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,080
want to go off on. 
I'll get back to the concept of 

648
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,880
the gig economy in a second. 
Yep. 

649
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,160
Have you heard of the idea or 
the question sort of in business

650
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,040
management, the idea of where 
does value flow? 

651
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,560
So if you, if you were to sit 
back and have a look at what you

652
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:09,200
might do next in your life, Yep.
Or in your professional world, 

653
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,960
the idea of sometimes you can 
sit back and go, OK, so where 

654
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,640
does the value flow? 
Where is value flowing in my 

655
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,200
business in, in the world of 
running or in the world of 

656
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,800
athletics right now? 
You could argue that value is 

657
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,960
flowing to these influences, 
whether that's deserve it or 

658
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,600
not, that's where value's 
flowing. 

659
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,240
Now, if you're an Olympian or 
you're if someone who's going 

660
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:36,000
down that path where value is 
not flowing down there, that's 

661
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,920
OK. 
You can still, but you can't get

662
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,400
frustrated or angry because the 
market has decided that we're 

663
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,720
going to send value down here. 
This is what is valuable. 

664
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,480
This is what is important. 
This is where we're going to 

665
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,280
direct our money. 
And you can't, you can't then 

666
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,240
pursue the Olympic path or that 
non value based path and get 

667
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,200
angry about it because you can 
see it. 

668
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,480
And you've got a choice. 
You've got a choice to make. 

669
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,000
Go and do that as. 
Well, it might not be what we 

670
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,000
all want. 
It might not be our oh, but 

671
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,200
that's not where it should flow.
Maybe, but it's where it is 

672
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,400
flowing. 
So if you choose to try and 

673
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,680
fight against the tide, that's 
fine, but you've made that 

674
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,440
decision. 
When majority talks, so in a way

675
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,960
that's what if you're out 
corporate speaking or whatever 

676
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,920
it is, sure the audience is 
wanting to hear that and that 

677
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,440
seems to be more valuable. 
That's where the value is 

678
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,280
trying. 
Here, here's a second point 

679
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,520
around. 
What's interesting then is you 

680
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,440
actually would appear the nature
of going out and doing like a, a

681
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:35,560
self discovery challenge should 
be in one sense, the most purest

682
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,480
way you're going out to do that.
And it's actually, it's actually

683
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,960
flipped. 
You'd nearly say now, you know, 

684
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:45,960
sacrificing everything and 
having, you know, very little. 

685
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,920
That's like the self sacrifice 
that's trying to become a what 

686
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,920
maybe in the past was seen as 
like the the the highest level 

687
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,400
you could get to. 
It would be like if suddenly in 

688
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,640
in the surfing world, and I know
we've went on surfing a little 

689
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,000
bit less than purpose, but if 
suddenly free surfers, suddenly 

690
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,440
that's where value started 
flowing. 

691
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,560
Well, it did. 
It did at at one point, and it 

692
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,280
probably still does to a degree.
Yeah, exactly. 

693
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,880
So it's like suddenly the WSL 
was no longer the profitable 

694
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,760
area for these surfers to exist.
Suddenly all the money was going

695
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,120
off into the free surfers. 
And why would you pursue the 

696
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,760
tour when you can make more 
money? 

697
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,240
You know, the other part about 
that I wanted to explore with 

698
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,880
these people that are 
essentially going out and 

699
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,320
whether they're elite athletes 
or not, they're having a crack 

700
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,600
at this sort of stuff is the, 
and I wonder whether you agree, 

701
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,520
but it's the idea of the gig 
economy, right? 

702
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,040
The world is changing. 
The 9:00 to 5:00 is not what it 

703
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,200
once was. 
And some would say it's never 

704
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,720
going to get back to that again.
The horse has bolted. 

705
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,000
Now everybody's got a side 
hustle, a second job, works from

706
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,240
home three days a week, all that
sort of stuff. 

707
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:53,040
In a way, these runners, William
Ned, the Lambros brothers, 

708
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,360
anybody who's going off and 
setting these challenges for 

709
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,480
themselves is kind of embracing 
the gig economy because they're 

710
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,640
saying, well, instead of going 
to uni or instead of going to 

711
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,520
TAFE, or instead of doing a 
course and instead of working my

712
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,040
way up a corporate letter, I'm 
going to go out and run the 

713
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:08,920
length of a continent or I'm 
going to go out and set this 

714
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,679
challenge for myself. 
And that's going to be my 10,000

715
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:14,040
hours. 
That's going to be my 

716
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,600
qualification to get into this 
gig economy world. 

717
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,159
And here's my CV. 
It's not a piece of paper that I

718
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,360
hang on the wall that says I did
4 years of study. 

719
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,760
It is. 
Follow us on Instagram. 

720
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,800
It is stories that I can tell 
and it now has a dollar value in

721
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:31,679
the market. 
Yep. 

722
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,400
Well, you know, you know what 
the good thing is, Well, there's

723
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,400
something for everyone out 
there. 

724
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,320
You know, you can, you can 
choose your own path. 

725
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,199
I would say for every one of 
those, we probably just, you 

726
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,719
just mentioned there'd be a lot 
of people trying to do that as 

727
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,239
well that we don't hear about as
right. 

728
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,800
Absolutely the cream or the ones
who are the best at marketing 

729
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,360
themselves will come to the top 
as well. 

730
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,199
So I'm sure there's a lot of 
others out there. 

731
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:57,640
But look, let's leave it there. 
Yeah, that like. 

732
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,840
I enjoyed. 
That chat there is a place, you 

733
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,240
know there's all different ways 
and that's what the world is 

734
00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:05,320
opening up to now. 
There's not one way to go about 

735
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,680
things and runnings running 
means a lot of things to a lot 

736
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,120
of different. 
People, there's a lot more jobs 

737
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,960
in running than they're used to.
That's true. 

738
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,400
That's true. 
There's a lot more money in 

739
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,840
running than there ever has 
been, yeah. 

740
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:16,720
Now it's all about quirky 
running. 

741
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:22,640
I forgot who sent this to me, 
but this is a have you ever seen

742
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,880
this running? 
And we sent it in basketball. 

743
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,400
Two different running shoes, two
different brands of running 

744
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,920
shoes. 
So we've got an ASICS meta speed

745
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,080
sky and an Adidas Boston 10. 
And did they win the race? 

746
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:40,480
So it was a Kenyan got second at
the Geneva half marathon in one 

747
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:41,680
O 5. 
So he's run one O 4. 

748
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:44,640
Him or her Brian. 
Brian. 

749
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:49,840
So him Brian Kiptrim. 
Yep, he has run a 6517 in two 

750
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:50,760
different shoes. 
Yeah. 

751
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:52,760
What do you reckon? 
What did? 

752
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,680
Did you see the explanation? 
No, he made he packed the wrong 

753
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,080
shoes. 
Oh, this wasn't a talent. 

754
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,080
Let's be I was about to go right
in depth into how maybe he had a

755
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,920
short, you know, a shorter leg 
than the other or he rolled, 

756
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,840
rolled differently. 
Maybe he did, but the 

757
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,400
explanation that's given on the 
post is that a mistake was made 

758
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,480
when packing his bag where he 
accidentally took his right 

759
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,560
training pair and his left 
competition pair that. 

760
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,920
Would be a bit embarrassing if 
he was actually sponsored by 

761
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,920
ASICS. 
Yeah, and then he had a pair. 

762
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,280
Of well, the IT would it says to
him that he's he races for 

763
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,280
ASICS. 
Oh, he does. 

764
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,720
But he can. 
He trains in in Adidas. 

765
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,760
Oh, this is a conversation we 
can have. 

766
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,960
Those who are sponsored, how 
many, how many runners out there

767
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,200
do you reckon are sponsored? 
And then you know. 

768
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,440
Compete in a in their sponsored 
shoe and and train in something 

769
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,600
else. 
I mean, and with the breadth of 

770
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,400
shoes that's coming into the 
market and and the differences 

771
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,400
in so much of ranges, yeah. 
Like how many out there would be

772
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,520
doing that? 
That's a question. 

773
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,880
What about answer No, but it'd 
be a hypothetical question for 

774
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,040
you more than me because I think
the reality. 

775
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,360
Is don't throw me on the. 
Boss Well, no, but how likely 

776
00:36:58,360 --> 00:36:59,960
would it be? 
How important is the dollar 

777
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:02,440
versus the performance? 
You're a professional athlete. 

778
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,880
Like if someone said to you, hey
Courtney, can you ride this 

779
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,760
bike? 
We'll pay you $100,000. 

780
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,480
But the reality is you were 
faster on. 

781
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:12,920
I don't know the different bike 
brands. 

782
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,920
I actually wouldn't be able to 
answer the dollar value, but 

783
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,680
there is a there is a threshold.
There's a threshold. 

784
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:20,920
There's a threshold where you'd 
go. 

785
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,520
I like, I would be like, I'm not
wearing them. 

786
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,400
You you're not going to pay me 
to wear them because they're not

787
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,320
up to scratch and they're going 
to affect performance. 

788
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,840
I'm not sure exactly if you had 
kind of two mid range ones where

789
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,440
that threshold would be. 
Bikes is a great one though, 

790
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,400
because bikes like bike frames 
are very individual. 

791
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,160
Think of a pro cyclist in a 
world tour team. 

792
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,480
They don't have any been signed,
just like you've been signed a 

793
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,640
Red Bull, Bora Hansgrove. 
Yeah. 

794
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:49,920
And you have to ride 
specialised. 

795
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,280
And you've, when you were a 
young kid, you know, you had a, 

796
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,840
you know, these things happened.
You had a specialised bike that 

797
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,240
just didn't work for you. 
You've always had this mental 

798
00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:00,160
block around A-frame and then 
you've just got to ride it. 

799
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,080
Tough stuff. 
Yeah, running shoes could be the

800
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,840
dollar threshold is the thing. 
But I wonder if if anyone else 

801
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,400
knows anyone who runs because 
what? 

802
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:13,000
The way that article, when I saw
it, I was thinking maybe left 

803
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,960
like a left leg difference to a 
right leg difference or even the

804
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,800
way the foot rolls or something 
and they've actually found 

805
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,160
running into different shoes is 
optimal to perform better. 

806
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,800
Maybe, but this was just a 
packing mistake. 

807
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,680
Yeah, few, few loose ends to tie
again before we get into some 

808
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,600
more listener stuff. 
We were talking about Strava 

809
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,680
last week and I was explaining 
to you about, you know, Pro and 

810
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,360
the ticks. 
Yes, yes, they must have been 

811
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,240
listening. 
We've must have Strava 

812
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:45,520
listening. 
They've changed this week. 

813
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,480
Can you see my one? 
Yeah, they've changed. 

814
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,760
Look how now they've actually 
gone beyond just showing a 

815
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,480
little the double arrows or 
something. 

816
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,840
It's now saying pro. 
I'm not. 

817
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,600
I'm not sure how I feel about. 
This so does that mean you are a

818
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:00,680
pro or you've got premium 
they're. 

819
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,760
No, that's they're, they're 
considering I'm still competing 

820
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,560
like a professional athlete. 
Let's not get hung up on me. 

821
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,520
Let's not get hung up on me for 
the moment. 

822
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,280
But what that means is they're 
calling out. 

823
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,040
It's no longer just a little 
logo to do this. 

824
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,800
They're actually calling out. 
Hey, are you a subscriber? 

825
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,120
Are you a premium subscriber? 
Are you a pro? 

826
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,800
I'm wondering and if someone can
let us know, are you seeing in 

827
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:31,120
your feed that someone else is a
is a premium member? 

828
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,800
OK. 
Verse do do you understand where

829
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,360
I'm going with this? 
Yeah, so I'm going to quickly go

830
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:38,680
into my feed. 
Who have I got here? 

831
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,560
Brett Robertson, pro Kai wild 
pros are just coming at the top.

832
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,280
Glenn Jacobs, who's head of 
Build World Trail Lanes World 

833
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,240
Trail, Nothing. 
OK. 

834
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:54,320
Alex Hunt one Alex Hunt won 
coast to coast this year. 

835
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,880
Think he deserves to be he's not
a pro, he's not a pro. 

836
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,560
He just OK Alex send in to 
Strava and give himself on as a.

837
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:01,840
Pro. 
Please, no. 

838
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,600
So they're not shouting out, but
yeah, they've done that. 

839
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,320
Really made it evident. 
Mm Hmm. 

840
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:07,560
So they're listening. 
Nice. 

841
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:08,800
That's my point. 
All right. 

842
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,160
Thank you, Strava. 
Feel free to throw me a free 

843
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,760
premium account if you want. 
I still don't have it hopefully.

844
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,000
When your birthday's coming. 
Yeah, it's not far away, yeah. 

845
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,320
So let's get into some of the 
listener stuff. 

846
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:22,800
There's been some interesting 
ones this week. 

847
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,240
So Gordon Moffett over in he's 
one of our UK listeners. 

848
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:29,440
Shout out Gordy. 
Agrees with what I was talking 

849
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,400
about, about, you know, walk 
running. 

850
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,960
Yeah, Yeah, as I'm getting back 
into running and and recovery 

851
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,960
and all those things. 
A great thing, as you know, he's

852
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,600
in the UK. 
Yep, he's a couch. 

853
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,840
Ah, so in the UK we talk about 
park run a lot. 

854
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,880
They go one step further, 
they've got a free 5K. 

855
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,400
So what do they call it? 
It's a free 5K programme, 

856
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,000
essentially a 12 week run walk 
programme for those in the 

857
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,960
country. 
So I don't know if this is tied 

858
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,320
into into park run as well, but 
that's a great initiative. 

859
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:02,680
Do we have that here in 
Australia? 

860
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,960
If we don't, we should, I think.
You can do, I think it's pretty 

861
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,120
easy. 
I think I've had friends do the 

862
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,880
couch to 5K programme. 
I think it's just an online 

863
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,120
thing. 
But that's someone online have 

864
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,160
created up. 
I'm thinking our government 

865
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:14,840
because this is a government 
programme. 

866
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,720
That'll be an amazing 
initiative. 

867
00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:21,040
Why don't they spend money on 
instead of getting Matt Hauser 

868
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,720
to tell us how to turn left and 
right? 

869
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,200
I think a better investment 
would be into a couch to couch 

870
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:28,720
to 5K programme, whatever it is 
I. 

871
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:31,320
Agree, and you've got the you've
got the infrastructure built in 

872
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,040
in with your park run already. 
That's an easy thing that the 

873
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,160
state federal government should 
be looking to. 

874
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,520
Partner with So He's Saying I 
love that 12 weeks ago started a

875
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,800
Couch 5K programme here in 
Scotland. 

876
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,120
Some of the groups finished 
their first 5K looking at times 

877
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,840
between 29 minutes to 42 
minutes. 

878
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:49,720
And now they're all he's got 
them all listening to the pod. 

879
00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:52,720
So thanks, Gordon Gordy. 
Spreading the international 

880
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:54,000
love. 
Absolutely. 

881
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,200
So thanks for that. 
And then he sent us a picture of

882
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,600
them, some of his mob as well, 
out and about. 

883
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,280
Well, to Gordy and his crew, 
thank you for getting on board 

884
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,200
and getting behind the podcast. 
If for those of you getting into

885
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,800
that Couch to 5K programme, well
done because I reckon that 

886
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,320
again, there's still that 
percentage of the population 

887
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,400
which here the idea of running 
5K's and think that's too hard. 

888
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,920
And I reckon the catch to 5K 
programme, especially when it's 

889
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,280
supported by the government like
that is an awesome initiative. 

890
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,040
So well done to everybody who's 
jumping into it. 

891
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:31,280
We got an anonymous message. 
Yes, Hello friends. 

892
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,800
Well, I heard about this podcast
when the GC Marathon promoted 

893
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,800
you in an email. 
So well done the GC Marathon 

894
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,520
sharing the love. 
This meant I had around 28 

895
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,400
weeks, sorry, 28 episodes to 
catch up on. 

896
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,840
He's a police officer or he or 
she, we don't know. 

897
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,880
And he travels 50 minutes to 
work. 

898
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,440
So he's been religiously 
listening to the podcast daily. 

899
00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:51,000
He says. 
To say I'm invested in the 

900
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,040
podcast and you're running 
journeys and advice is an 

901
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,400
understatement. 
He finished at 34 and he finds 

902
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,160
himself at a loss. 
So, well, I'm glad that we've 

903
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,280
been managed to deliver another 
one for you. 

904
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,840
He's patiently waiting for the 
next episode to talk about plans

905
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,040
for the marathon. 
Where I'm at with my training 

906
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,040
and the advice that Courtney and
Benita are giving. 

907
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,240
And he's really finding all the 
advice that Courtney, you, 

908
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:16,160
Benita and all the other experts
we're having. 

909
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,240
I'm very insightful. 
Thank you for taking the time to

910
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:20,280
do the podcast. 
He can't wait for the next 

911
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,280
episode. 
He uses the runner app and he 

912
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:27,160
loves it. 24 KS this weekend. 
Well done and you peace out. 

913
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,120
Keep up the good work. 
If you sue this message, please 

914
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,920
have me as a non. 
Oh, I think that means if you 

915
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,640
read this message, please have 
me on as a non. 

916
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,320
Which we've done, so we know 
that. 

917
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:37,720
Thank you. 
Thank you for the message. 

918
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:39,840
Good feedback. 
You know what, always good to 

919
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,840
know a police. 
Officer, what's that? 

920
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,760
Always good to know a police. 
Officer. 

921
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,720
Yeah, but not if I don't know 
his name. 

922
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:47,760
Can you tell me his name off? 
Here I can tell you. 

923
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,040
OK, tell me his name off here. 
Just just when you think about, 

924
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,520
like I always say, it's good to 
have a doctor. 

925
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,840
Yeah, it's a few doctors, you 
know, like, what are the things 

926
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,680
in life that you're gonna face? 
That's good to have some good 

927
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,600
connections. 
True, it's a good point. 

928
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,000
I'm more police officers 
listening in. 

929
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,040
If I ever get in trouble, the 
better. 

930
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,320
So from police officers to Tom 
Boswell, who is in your area? 

931
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,280
Tommy Boswell, the sports editor
for the Goldie Bulletin. 

932
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:19,120
Yep, loving the surf chats lad. 
He's in the surf and on the on 

933
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,960
the ticketing talk. 
Oh, so this? 

934
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,160
Is so this is off the bat. 
We talked about the idea of 

935
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,120
ticketed for the Olympics 
Snapper V Burley, the dilemma 

936
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:28,520
you talked about last week. 
Yeah, so. 

937
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,720
So he's got some info on the 
last Olympics, the Paris 

938
00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:33,680
Olympics, where they surfed in 
Tahiti. 

939
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,800
It was ticketed. 
The locals weren't allowed to 

940
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,760
drive to their boat. 
They weren't allowed to drive 

941
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,720
the boats into the Channel as 
instructions from the local 

942
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:46,480
government, so only official 
boats and photographers could go

943
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,680
out into their home break. 
OK, because that was the idea we

944
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,760
talked about whether you could 
ticket the surfing if it was 

945
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,640
held at Snapper or Berlin next 
year. 

946
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,480
Yep. 
And if people couldn't just walk

947
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,520
down onto the beach. 
And and he's literally saying 

948
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,120
people had to buy a ticket to 
enter the fan zone where the 

949
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,640
road ends before they got out to
the Tahitian. 

950
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,240
Very anti surfing. 
Yep, very, very they. 

951
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:11,120
Had to watch it on so the locals
had to watch it on the big 

952
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,880
screen. 
Love your workloads. 

953
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,120
Thank you TomTom Gold Coast 
Bullets and thanks for the 

954
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,720
support in the pod and also Lucy
who just in a pod and said she's

955
00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:21,680
listening to the latest episode 
where I threatened to stop the 

956
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,160
podcast because it was getting 
out of hand. 

957
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,960
She said don't stop the podcast 
from really enjoying it would be

958
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,120
sad if it's. 
Stopped Lucy. 

959
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,040
We're not stopping. 
We're not stopping, we're only 

960
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,280
going from strength to strength.
Now I have some audio for you, 

961
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:41,320
Courtney. 
So are they still in? 

962
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:57,320
That that's probably enough. 
Just to be clear, I'm OK, That 

963
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,920
is audio of me. 
I recorded it as I was lying 

964
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,360
down on the table at Gold Coast 
Physio in Pearly I. 

965
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,840
Was worried you were down at 
Mermaid Beach on the highway 

966
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,760
somewhere at a special special 
massage. 

967
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,760
I was. 
I was face down on the table at 

968
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,880
Gold Coast Physio with Trent 
shoving needles into my calves 

969
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:22,960
because my calves suck. 
They're still this. 

970
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,080
Is no good. 
This is, and I'll talk with 

971
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,960
Benita in the next EP about this
from the marathon perspective, 

972
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,800
but basically where I'm at is 
everything was kind of going 

973
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,600
well. 
I ran for an hour last weekend 

974
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:39,640
SO12K felt fine. 
Sunday, nothing felt fine. 

975
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,240
Was meant to go out and run for 
40 minutes on Monday. 

976
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:48,200
Slow half an hour and I was 
like, this is hurting, my calf 

977
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,600
is hurting again. 
I stopped and then I had an 

978
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:57,200
appointment with Trent on the 
day after I went any shoved 

979
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:02,280
needles in my legs, which I I he
had to he had to towel the table

980
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,840
like I just he laughed because 
as soon as he even not with the 

981
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,960
needle, but just touched the 
back of my leg, I just break out

982
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,040
into a sweat because I know the 
needles are coming and I hate 

983
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,720
needles and the psychology of it
in my mind is Oh my God, Oh my 

984
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:16,240
God, Oh my God. 
So I was just a damp sweat as 

985
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:17,280
you. 
Don't watch him put them in. 

986
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,720
Though no, I don't watch him, 
but the knowledge that they're 

987
00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:21,400
going into the back of my calves
is what killed me. 

988
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,040
Anyway. 
Needles went in. 

989
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,240
Helpful. 
I had kind of heavy legs for the

990
00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:30,440
rest of the afternoon. 
I was meant to try and run 

991
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:35,040
another hour the day after I got
a kilometre in and. 

992
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,760
Oh, so you're you're this is 
really gone. 

993
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,520
This is in trouble, so I am back
to cross training for now. 

994
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:50,280
Benita and I are talking. 
Yeah, it's what are we 6 tweaks 

995
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,560
out from Goldie. 
Yeah, that's not good at all. 

996
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,680
No. 
How you, how you feeling? 

997
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:57,200
Oh. 
My look, you know Alana, my wife

998
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,080
said to me you should channel 
Courtney. 

999
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,400
Courtney seems to be dealing 
with, not me, how to run really 

1000
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:02,880
well. 
I am running it. 

1001
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,480
Yeah, no, I said to Alana, I'm 
like Courtney be back running 

1002
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,000
before I am. 
Yes, really frustrated, really, 

1003
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:14,240
really frustrated. 
I'm having difficulty in 

1004
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:20,160
reconciling the fact that at 
this stage I might not be able 

1005
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,000
to even do the marathon I'm 
going to. 

1006
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:23,880
The goal is to get to the start 
line. 

1007
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,120
Now that's the goal. 
I'm fine with just jogging 

1008
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,800
through it, but I really want to
be able to get there. 

1009
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,640
But the leg, the body's just not
happy with me at the moment. 

1010
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:37,640
So it's it's A to be. 
I didn't want to say that, but 

1011
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,840
like, we're now in that fight, 
we. 

1012
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,200
Are we are in, we are in, we are
serious threat of having to 

1013
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:44,400
withdraw from this whole bloody 
thing. 

1014
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,760
You know, the thing someone said
to this who listens to the 

1015
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,040
podcast the other day said to 
me, you know it, it doesn't 

1016
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:54,520
matter in the end. 
No, regardless, because other 

1017
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,840
people are going to be going 
through the same thing and have 

1018
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,200
to handle the same thing. 
We've got Bronie. 

1019
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,760
She's she's a Bronie. 
She's a golden. 

1020
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,640
Yeah, she's the golden egg at 
the moment, right. 

1021
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,440
But The thing is, we're still 
going over. 

1022
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,280
We're talking about of things 
that people need to know about 

1023
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,320
the marathon. 
Hey, look, if you're going out 

1024
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,800
there to run a 240, we may have 
not given you too much 

1025
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,040
information that's going to help
you. 

1026
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,640
But for majority of people who 
are out there doing their first 

1027
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,320
marathon, we've got all the 
information coming in. 

1028
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,160
And from anyone I've spoken to, 
they've been, you know, they're 

1029
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:27,600
really happy with that 
information. 

1030
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:32,480
Yeah, look, from a personal 
perspective I am. 

1031
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,080
I'm annoyed, but I keep having 
those, that message of what 

1032
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,640
Benita said a couple of EPS 
back, the idea that not every 

1033
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,480
race and not every prep, if you 
run for long enough, you'll have

1034
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,280
your day. 
It's not every race and it's not

1035
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,920
every prep. 
This just ain't going to be my 

1036
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,280
race and it's not going to be my
prep and that's OK. 

1037
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,360
I'm still learning. 
I know I've learnt more about 

1038
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,400
running training marathon than 
I've ever known before in the 

1039
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,560
lead up to this and I'm probably
not. 

1040
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,280
I might not be able to run the 
race, but never. 

1041
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,800
Have you gone through? 
Have you had this before? 

1042
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,520
In the sense of have you stopped
running before? 

1043
00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:06,880
That's what. 
I'm saying I've had problems 

1044
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,600
with my like 2 years ago so I 
ran the golden marathon last 

1045
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,880
year and the year prior to that 
I had to pull out of the 

1046
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,960
marathon for the same thing. 
Calf problem. 

1047
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:23,160
And the lessons are probably 
around because I was thinking, 

1048
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:27,920
because I remember having a very
similar feeling about just like,

1049
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,880
I'll be honest with you, I've 
thought maybe I just need to 

1050
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,600
take a break from running like 
as in and not just like a short 

1051
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:33,800
break. 
Maybe I just need to go do 

1052
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,880
something else that well. 
That's where I was leading. 

1053
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,720
Maybe I need to go do something 
like as in I was looking at 

1054
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,480
like, you know, my kids are 
doing surfing lessons at the 

1055
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:42,560
moment. 
I'm like, man, I just need to go

1056
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,640
surfing for a while. 
Maybe I just need to go play 

1057
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,320
golf for a while. 
Maybe I need to do something 

1058
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,000
else. 
The the difficulty for me is 

1059
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:55,080
that I know running is the 
exercise that makes my brain 

1060
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,640
happiest. 
Yeah, there's, there's also the 

1061
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:01,920
challenge when yes, it can also 
be good to go away and have a 

1062
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,080
break completely. 
But the strength challenge is 

1063
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:06,640
still going to exist when you 
come back. 

1064
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:07,520
Yeah. 
Exactly. 

1065
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,640
So there's one one part of 
letting it heal and, and getting

1066
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:15,480
over it in that way, but there's
a fine line around. 

1067
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,560
Well, then if I leave it too 
long, I'm going to come back and

1068
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,680
then I'm going to be exposed to 
other issues, which may, you 

1069
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,880
know, like, well, we talked 
about knees, you know, 

1070
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,840
hamstring, whatever. 
So yeah, I don't know. 

1071
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:27,600
I don't know. 
I don't know what advice to give

1072
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,960
you on this. 
No, and look on my I'm OK. 

1073
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,480
It's it's frustrating, it's 
disappointing. 

1074
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,480
I'm I'm a little I've been 
disheartened, but I'm actually 

1075
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:42,200
I'm OK with it because I know 
that it's not my passion for 

1076
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,000
running hasn't dulled my 
frustration with my own personal

1077
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,240
running. 
Yes is high, but my passion for 

1078
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:52,520
and my enjoyment of running, the
running boom talking running 

1079
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,760
with you, everything around 
running is still there. 

1080
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,160
So I know that means that, yeah,
go for a Circa, have a hit, a 

1081
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,120
golf, but I'll probably want to 
come back to running. 

1082
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,720
And come back to chasing the 
marathon again or is, is this 

1083
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:07,840
kind of maybe opened you up to a
little bit more of like you said

1084
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,600
this morning in UTA, you kind of
miss that, are you? 

1085
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,360
So the direct question is, would
you be more interested in coming

1086
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,680
back to chase interesting kind 
of different things or ACE? 

1087
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:23,120
Or no, no, the the sub three 
that that that fire hadn't gone 

1088
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:23,600
out. 
There you go. 

1089
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,560
Every no, that fire hasn't gone 
out. 

1090
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,520
It might. 
Take us a while, but we'll we'll

1091
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,360
both be there. 
That fire is still burning 

1092
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,480
bright. 
I will become part of the sub 

1093
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,640
three club. 
It's just not going to happen at

1094
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,840
Gold Coast Marathon this year. 
OK, what about you mate? 

1095
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,040
I've got a question for you, 
Liam, because your livelihood is

1096
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,000
talking. 
Yeah, you talk a lot. 

1097
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,840
Like if I think about like I've 
been listening, you know, you're

1098
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,480
on the right. 
Like today as we're sitting 

1099
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,880
here, you've probably what, 
you're probably good into your 

1100
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,240
5th hour today of using that for
talking. 

1101
00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:00,160
So I was in Sydney earlier, but 
my last, let's say actually my 

1102
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,440
last three days, I was in Sydney
Monday, Tuesday, yesterday, 

1103
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:08,240
Wednesday, I was speaking to a 
lot of people on Zoom. 

1104
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,440
I have been talking for three 
days straight and I'm exhausted.

1105
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,840
I'm absolutely exhausted. 
How the hell do you just keep? 

1106
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,200
How do you have a strategy? 
We're not all running now, but 

1107
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,280
this is my my other livelihood. 
How the hell do you just keep 

1108
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,720
being able to talk to people? 
Well, if my calf muscles were as

1109
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:32,440
strong as my vocal cords I'd be,
I'd have the I'd be running sub 

1110
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:38,440
two hours and 30 minutes. 
Ask questions of other people. 

1111
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,240
Take the burden off yourself. 
No, no, no. 

1112
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:41,760
It's, it's not the actual 
talking. 

1113
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,000
I'm just physically. 
Oh. 

1114
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,040
Physically. 
Exhausted by exhausted by 

1115
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,560
talking like I'm like you said, 
vocal cords. 

1116
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,560
Is it a trainable? 
Is it a trainable thing? 

1117
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,280
Like I'm hoping this doesn't 
become a like a habit this week.

1118
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:55,080
There. 
So what? 

1119
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:59,080
Hold on, is your throat hurting 
or are you mentally tired? 

1120
00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:01,320
Both. 
Both. 

1121
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,960
I love the talking to people. 
Yeah, I'm just mentally fatigued

1122
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,480
from. 
Oh yeah, having no, I get that. 

1123
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,760
All the time and, and my voice 
and all I wanted to do, which I 

1124
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,520
did this morning, yeah, is just 
go out in the Bush for an hour 

1125
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,080
and a half on my own and not 
have to worry about it. 

1126
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:18,840
So no, it's mentally fatiguing, 
but just. 

1127
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,040
But over time, does it train or 
do you actually have more 

1128
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,440
problems with it? 
Nah, it's probably a muscle I've

1129
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:30,360
never really had. 
I've never, I've never found got

1130
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,640
found my job fatiguing in the 
doing sense. 

1131
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,520
The planning can become 
fatiguing, the hours can become 

1132
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,240
fatiguing, but the doing I've 
never found tiring with radio 

1133
00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:45,800
because a because I love doing 
it and also because I I've been 

1134
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,760
like this since I was a kid. 
Like I've liked the idea of 

1135
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:53,400
talking and presenting and and 
giving uneducated opinions. 

1136
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,480
I've been I've been doing it 
since I was a kid, mate. 

1137
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,640
Yeah. 
So no, I, I, I, I understand 

1138
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,640
what the mental fatigue is real.
The mental like, yeah, at the 

1139
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,440
end of a footy game, at the end 
of a big exciting footy game 

1140
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:10,160
that I've been commentating, I 
can sometimes fall in a heap. 

1141
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,920
Yeah. 
Because it's just a it's like it

1142
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,640
stops and your brain stops 
firing and you suddenly go, oh, 

1143
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:22,840
that was tiring. 
Here's one I I am way more 

1144
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,360
fatigued after a full day of 
doing that than I would be if I 

1145
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,800
did a full day adventure race. 
Yeah. 

1146
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,320
Easy. 
Yeah, my mental fatigue is. 

1147
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,760
But that but it comes back to, 
right, because everybody like, 

1148
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,240
it's a bit like the marathon 
talk, right? 

1149
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:39,240
Everybody is different. 
Everybody's physical makeup is 

1150
00:55:39,240 --> 00:55:40,760
different. 
Everybody what people, you know,

1151
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,200
strengths and weakness, all that
sort of stuff. 

1152
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,080
And it's not a wine. 
It was an honest question. 

1153
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:45,040
No. 
Do you have? 

1154
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,240
Strategies around this because 
it's been it's been a full on a 

1155
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,960
full on three days and I was 
stoked to get out in the Bush 

1156
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,240
today. 
I was out there for an hour and 

1157
00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:54,760
a half this morning on the 
mountain bike. 

1158
00:55:55,600 --> 00:56:00,560
Had to it it. 
We've had a few sunny days but 

1159
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:04,000
every single time I've got back 
riding in the last few weeks is 

1160
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,240
being wet. 
There's that much water on the 

1161
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:08,160
ground up. 
I see a lot, I've gone through a

1162
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,480
pair of brake pads just in those
two weeks, just getting, just 

1163
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:15,720
grind, just absolutely grinding 
in the, you know, the clay and 

1164
00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:17,320
the gravel. 
How's the body feeling? 

1165
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:23,280
Well, here's I sent a session. 
I should be showing people this,

1166
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,200
shouldn't I? 
What I've been doing, I've been 

1167
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:26,680
keeping everything private a 
little bit. 

1168
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,480
I talk about it. 
I feel like, you know, when you 

1169
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,480
talk about Strava, I don't share
it with people on Strava. 

1170
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:34,880
I should share it. 
I should share it. 

1171
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,280
I have been running. 
I sent this, I sent what I did 

1172
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:41,480
yesterday to Doctor Ben and he 
said damn, too quick, way too 

1173
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,280
quick. 
So what I'm up to at the moment,

1174
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:49,000
I'm did a 35 minute run. 
I was down at down along Karawa 

1175
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,280
and I'm up to 3 minutes of 
running and then walking for 30 

1176
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,400
seconds. 
I am feeling fantastic. 

1177
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,800
Right. 
Eight weeks of freshness. 

1178
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:04,200
You don't, you don't know. 
I, I know I'm now I'm getting so

1179
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,840
excited and you're, you're, 
you're in the other side like I 

1180
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,400
was a few weeks back. 
But no, you don't know. 

1181
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,360
You're like, it's amazing what a
brake can do and how fresh you 

1182
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,800
can feel And then suddenly how 
bouncy you can be running. 

1183
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,280
That's the phase. 
I mean, because I'm only running

1184
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,560
every, you know, every other 
day, every other day. 

1185
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,400
And I'm still like, that was the
longest run I've done. 

1186
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,080
So it was what I'd do, 7 1/2 K. 
So I'm up to there. 

1187
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:27,360
We're building, I'm still 
moving, I'm riding. 

1188
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,720
That's exciting though. 
So that's exciting. 

1189
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,440
I would say I'm back. 
Would you consider that a run? 

1190
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:35,160
Absolutely. 
Should I share that? 

1191
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:36,840
Sure, absolutely. 
I think you should. 

1192
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:42,440
Can I ask you this then? 
The freshness, the attitude, the

1193
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,640
Jack in the Box mentality. 
Have you started to look at a 

1194
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,560
marathon yet? 
I have, but I'm not going to 

1195
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:52,760
tell you because I'm not. 
I'm not at the stage of being 

1196
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,560
able to commit, but I am looking
at 1:00. 

1197
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,240
But here's a hint, it's not 
going to be a fast 1. 

1198
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:02,720
So I've gone away from You'd 
have what I wanted. 

1199
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,200
To do on Gold Coast, because 
I've always said. 

1200
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,040
If I'm going to do it, I'm going
to do a PB. 

1201
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:07,720
So I still want to. 
I'm still going to. 

1202
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,880
That's still on the cards. 
Just like you, I still want to 

1203
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:11,240
get to the marathon and the 
quick one. 

1204
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,680
But Gold Coast is a long way. 
Again, it's 12 months away, but 

1205
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,680
yeah, I'm looking at what might,
may not be a fast marathon, but 

1206
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,200
it's a marathon I'd like to do. 
Southern Hemisphere. 

1207
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,800
Southern Hemisphere. 
I'm not going to tell you. 

1208
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:25,920
So stop guessing, comrades. 
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 

1209
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:26,920
no, no, no. 
No. 

1210
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:28,480
OK, so I can rule that one out. 
I don't. 

1211
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,120
So you will to travel that to. 
Travel that far. 

1212
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,560
Will you have to get on a plane?
I would have to get on a plane, 

1213
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:36,400
so here we go. 
It's not Noosa. 

1214
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,120
There are a few other things 
like, yeah, no, it's not Noosa. 

1215
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,640
No, it's definitely not Noosa. 
OK. 

1216
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:43,960
We're going to do Gold Coast 12 
months I'm. 

1217
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:45,760
Just I'm just checking things 
out. 

1218
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,800
Anyway, I'm a Jack in the box. 
Things are happening. 

1219
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,360
Talking about a race I do want 
to do. 

1220
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,720
So we were we were going to 
spook local races. 

1221
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,440
This ain't so local. 
OK, But this is a race I want to

1222
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:57,400
do. 
I can't believe I missed it. 

1223
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:58,720
I wouldn't have been able to run
it this year. 

1224
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,120
Anyway. 
That race that I hurt you at the

1225
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,360
Sullivan Golden Trail down in 
Tassie. 

1226
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,800
Yeah. 
As part of that series, there's 

1227
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,640
a race on the Great Wall of 
China. 

1228
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,640
Now these books, freaking 
amazing. 

1229
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,520
Not only do they use the Great 
Wall, so they're running, they 

1230
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,280
go into sections of the Great 
Wall and then go off into some 

1231
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,360
good trial. 
Chinese. 

1232
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,160
Have you been to the Great Wall?
I have been to the Great Wall 

1233
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,200
when around when we did some 
dinners out there around the 

1234
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,160
Olympic campaign. 
Oh cool, Beijing, you just go 

1235
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:32,040
out there as a tourist. 
Went as a tourist with family in

1236
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,640
2012. 
Yep with mum and dad and my 

1237
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,560
brother and. 
And yeah, got to experience some

1238
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,960
of it and yeah, that would be 
incredible. 

1239
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,600
So this is 24K, so it's not like
you got to go and run, you know,

1240
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:47,160
50K100K shorter race, but. 
Brutal though, those stairs on 

1241
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,360
that the. 
Videos I've seen of it, I was 

1242
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:53,920
like, how did I miss this? 
So next year that is one that 

1243
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:54,880
you know. 
Putting it on the list. 

1244
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:59,080
Well, well, it depends, but like
you talk about races, I want to 

1245
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,560
do and like interesting things, 
that is. 

1246
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,960
That's cool way to the top put. 
It on the Great Wall. 

1247
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,120
All right, very nice. 
All right. 

1248
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:07,840
Well, there we go. 
We're back. 

1249
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,800
One of us is running a bit, the 
other one's not running at all, 

1250
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,680
which is not what you want for a
running pay. 

1251
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,960
If you haven't, you're listening
to this and you haven't listened

1252
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,560
to the last Wednesday's episode 
we had Ryan MacDonald on. 

1253
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,000
So anyone running Gold Coast 
Marathon go back and have a 

1254
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:23,920
listen. 
Really interesting. 

1255
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:25,600
Yeah. 
All about the course and 

1256
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,800
changes, you know, and and the 
reasoning, giving you a bit of 

1257
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,480
information about why decisions 
are made. 

1258
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,880
Yeah, well, we can all guess, 
but we've got some hard truths. 

1259
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,360
I haven't got to like letting 
you over know about that episode

1260
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:38,600
too much, but go back and have a
listen. 

1261
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:40,720
Alright, until then, we'll see 
you next week.