In the beginning, episode 26 mate.
How are you travelling? Because I'm knackered.
It's funny when you, you know, we're talking obviously about
the cyclone in southeast Queensland here.
We've just, you know, come out of it the ex tropical cyclone,
as they're saying now. But anxiety.
Yeah. Is harder than running.
Yeah, the fatigue of a week filled with anxiety is better
than any 6070 K week I've run over the last couple of months.
If, if, if you're in southeast Queensland, you're probably sick
of Cyclone Alfred. And if you're outside of
tropical Queensland, you're probably you're outside of
southeast Queensland. Sorry, you're probably not
really aware of all of exactly how.
I wouldn't say devastating because it was a huge weather
pattern, but we were given so much notice by the local
government, the council, everything.
It felt like we were bracing for this for a week.
Well, we were, and tough luck if you don't want to hear about it
because you're about to. Yeah, Yeah, But I agree.
I mean, one thing for sure is you're never going to trust the
weather, bro, ever again. I mean, they were so certain
when it was going to hit, where it was going to hit, how it was
going to hit, and then it just went all into disarray.
As in and it started doing cycle.
It did. Circles out there one night and
doing U turns. Then when it hit, it didn't even
hit, it didn't cross the coast. Well, you know what I found
really interesting, more so with, I suppose the TV news is
in the case. Normally when you get, you know,
devastation cyclones, you see up north, it happens and then
pretty quickly it moves on. So then there's Sun and they can
get helicopters, drones and everything else up.
You noticed when you're watching TV, you saw no aerials in what
was going on for nearly four. Days.
That's an interesting. That that was my observation and
what made me think because it kept, you know, the winds were
continued to go. Yeah, they had nothing to show
except Crumban car park and some lady and some lady looked like
she was getting blown eye on the beach that was literally there
weather for two days. It's, it was, it's been a really
interesting experience for me do covering it on radio.
I've never covered anything like this before, a weather event
like this before on radio and podcasting is awesome, but it's
not immediate. And you and I and I really
learnt over the last week the value of radio in times like
tropical cyclones because it's the immediacy, right?
And So what we had Did you lose power here?
No, I was we we were lucky. Here go obviously live here on a
lake. Yeah, if you went across the
other side of the lake, they didn't have power.
OK, So Doctor Ben who lives, you know, across the other side, he
had power, but he was looking across the water to people
without power. Is that crazy?
So we had we lost power for two days to three days, two nights,
three days without power. Thankfully our next door
neighbour had a generator and he just hooked our fridge up so
we're able to keep food cool and frozen all the rest of it.
And we had a little camp stove cooker that we were using and
whatever, we were fine. Yeah, right.
But it was the IT was the loomingness.
It was the the weight, the bracing, It was the waiting.
It was all that, that, yeah, physically exhausts you.
And then on Sunday night, there was a warning for flooding for
where I live, for Crumbanel and Laura proper full blown red.
Yep. You know, evacuate or.
Get on the red. Action now and and again.
At that point, did you suddenly start to go whole?
Oh, yeah, I had, I had as bad a night's sleep as I've had for a
long time that night. So because, and I know in my
head, I know logically where we are if that floods, like if, if,
if we, if our house gets flooded, you're talking Noah's
Ark type stuff. Yeah.
Because every, yeah, we're we're basically just geographically
where we are for us to become flooded.
It is end of day stuff, but the fact that the suburb I lived in
had been given this warning and that my 8 year old 'cause she's
old enough to like, you know, read so she can read stuff.
She got really nervous and then I had to kind of walk her
outside and go look, that's the we'd have to have all the rain
to flood all of that. And it would have to come up all
that high and then on the front it would have to do.
And explaining it to her helped because it calmed me down a bit.
But it's still, I still went to bed that night with just an
incredible sense of, well, I can't allow myself to fall into
a deep sleep here because. Just in case.
Just in case, yeah. So to get back to what we
started is it's been fairly taxing the last week and then to
turn up to work on the radio and try and talk about it with
people. And, and again, you just every
time somebody called through on the show, he just got that sense
of uneasiness and and confusion. And I actually think the Gold
Coasters community has held itself together really well
throughout all this. I think you know the well we
were. That I think that going back a
lot of people are going to criticise how long we prepared
and over prepared, but that's what allowed it to be I, I think
quite a good outcome because if it went the other way it would
have been a disaster and then we would have been glad everyone.
Prepared and I and I thought about this on the weekend.
I thought that if there are those people that really want to
bang on about this was a bit of a storm in a tea cup, it was
over a hype that we had, you know, etcetera, etcetera.
That's fine. Just opt out of all
notifications. Yeah.
So next time one of these things happen, you won't know.
It'll be a nice surprise for you.
How many people do you reckon have radios that have batteries,
battery operated radios? Because I have had a lot of
people in you know, that have said literally I got caught out
because we did lose power. I had my phone and then I
suddenly realised I can't charge my phone as long as once that
battery goes I've that's my communication gone if.
You wanted to pick up either a battery operated radio, a
generator, anything like that on Facebook Marketplace.
This should be the week to do it 'cause I reckon there'll be
people looking to offload the ones that they purchased in a
panic. I.
The radio was an amazing comfort over the weekend.
It would like. We had it on 24/7 listening,
getting updates, and it was, yeah, I saw the real value of
what radio offers as opposed to other.
Forms of media. I was watching TV because we did
have power, but I was thinking the whole time looking at the
map that didn't have power across the Gold Coast, then
you're not getting the same information.
I'm watching SO and. Where?
Are you getting? It from, and we had the mayors
and the and the deputy mayors and Energex and everybody on the
show during this and all their advice was pointing saying go to
this website, you know, to find information.
And the response from a lot of people who caught up was I don't
have power. I can't visit a website.
So crazy shout out Bunnings. I had two two things happened in
the last five days around just locally here.
The first one was, you know, obviously stocking up on some
water. Last time I was out camping, I
busted my 20 litre drum, water drum.
So I thought I'll do the right thing, I'll get some water, I'll
go over. There was still a 20 litre water
drum left at Bunnings just across the road here in Mermaid
Waters. When I went to get this was like
literally the day we're battering down, not getting
ready to stay at home. And I was like, Gee, this is
crazy. Everyone's got their toilet
paper, their food and everything else and they've no one's got
the water drum. The second thing was when I was
all over yesterday, my, my lovely wife said to some of the
neighbours here, oh don't worry, Courtney will get his chainsaw
out and fix the trees out the front.
Now I haven't used my chainsaw in about four years.
Went to get the chainsaw filled up with petrol and then when I
went I got the air philtre out of it and it literally crumbled
in my hands. So it didn't work.
Yeah. So now I'm thinking, well she's
put me in it now. Went went over and a few other
things were wrong with it. Look, I need a new.
Chainsaw. You need lower the chainsaw.
Went over to Bunnings, there's a chainsaw of all things you would
think go a water container and a chainsaw.
Everyone's worried about their toilet paper, everything else.
Now see, I think there's levels to this and I think you're on
another level. So you reckon I'm prepping?
No, you're no, but you're you're a capable prepper.
So for people, because I again, it's a bit like running, you're
at the elite level, semi elite level.
I am at the every person level. So the every person like me, we
just prepped with bottles of water and tin food.
That was our level of prepping. The idea that we'd get out there
with a heavy machinery and remove trees is nonsense,
absolute nonsense. Courtney I got big bags, big
party bags of chips and I reckon that's, you know, that's that's
how we prep. That's how the average person
preps. Courtney, We don't go and buy
actual useful. Things good.
Good to know for next. Time.
So now look, all as I said, All in all, it was a Yep, torturous
week. Yeah, we, we are going to talk a
bit. We'll talk.
About the running later, we'll. Talk a bit about running weeks
but all I want to say just tease to it.
Did you run? Yes, OK, I did run now.
We'll talk about that later. Then great things that happened
that were stuck inside and I did have some power was Drive to
Survive. The F1 Netflix series dropped
latest series on Friday. The latest series dropped on
Friday. Do yourself a favour and watch
it now. No, no spoiler rule Max.
Verstappen wins the World Championship.
Well, you know what happens in that case, but I mean to see
behind the scenes like this, but why I want to call it out was
props to them. They were the originals.
So, so many sports. Now I've copied and I think it
was the 7th. I didn't realise how long
they've been doing it. Seven seasons.
They re really that series recreated sport for everyone.
Sports documentaries so it. Doesn't matter whether you're
you're running, you're NBA, basketball, whatever.
Everyone else is a copycat. Mm Hmm, that production company
who did the original drive to survive must be multi multi
multi multi millionaires by now because I know a lot of the the
other sports utilise that production company out of the UK
to then go on and make try to make their sports, you know,
follow suits. Some have been done well, some
have been done pretty average, right?
Have you watched? Have you watched Full Swing?
The G1. Didn't watch the G1, I think I
tried to watch a couple of once I tried to watch the tennis one
and didn't get through it. Tennis, I couldn't survive.
The NBA ones I can. Starting five and then there's
another one also on it Netflix called quarter of gold, which
follows the dream or the American basketball team the.
Running 1, the Sprint was great. Amazing.
So that transformed 'cause I think we've maybe touched on
that when we're talking about cow, cow.
I would not have known who was in the 200 metre final at the
Olympics. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, it makes sports. But let's just remember Drive to
Survive and F1 being the pinnacle of, you know, I suppose
luxury sport, whatever it is, money in sport, that of the
original is still here. F1 this weekend?
No. F1 today today.
And this weekend, as people listen.
I'm going to be in Melbourne. You'll be in Melbourne?
I would be. If you're listening to this on
Sunday, Saturday or Sunday. You'll be trackside.
Be trackside exciting first first race of the year.
Just quickly I want to talk more about the F1, but quickly would
how would how would a drive to survive series look around
marathoning or trail running? Could you do it?
Yes, I think it would. I think would.
I think it's got to have the end output of some type of like
really top end competition that seems to drive it.
But really, it's a storytelling. Yeah, process.
Could you could you do it? OK, well let me.
Interesting. Yeah.
No, I might. Let me change it, let me pivot
and and localise it in a way then could you, on a smaller
scale, do you think there's enough narrative?
Do you think there's enough story opportunity around
something like a Gold Coast Marathon or even to localise it
slightly more further? Because I think with Gold Coast
Marathon you're talking about the elites from overseas
competing. Could you do around the city to
surf? Could you do a miniaturised
version? Certainly not on the scale of
Drive for Survive. You could.
I mean, I think the one thing that work really works within
any of them. Now I'm thinking about, I'm
backtracking my original answer a little bit is you've got to
have the circus that goes with that sport.
So if you think about Sprint, why it works so well is like the
the Sprint is egotistic, actually loud, the personality
in it. If you take your average
distance runner, I'm not gonna this is a very generalised
statement, but you know, they're probably a lot more individual
withdrawn. Why is that?
Why do you think that is? You've been an Olympian, You
know what? What sports carry certain egos?
Why is it, do you think that the distance athletes seemingly
there is less bravado? But even if you think about, oh,
I'll answer your question, but even if you think about like the
Tour de French riders, there's a little bit of circus there
behind the scenes. And they, their series worked
really well as well. But the riders themself, it's
they're not overly. Shall we?
Are they like the sprinters, like the F1?
No, no, no. I would say more so than middle
distance or long distance runners, the.
Sport though, has the circus. It's what goes with the sport
and what at the moment you take some of those small sports, they
just don't have that circus that, you know, the events and
then what creates, you know, the hype around it.
That's more than the sport, however, you know, why couldn't
distance running have that? Maybe it's a different type of
proposition than like the end outcome being performance.
And we're talking about, you know, we talked about Jelly Roll
in the last week, Harry Styles, you know, is it the celebrity
type runners that create a series and not the elite
runners? The my my brain has raced off
while you were just giving that answer.
Not that I wasn't listening, but my brain has raced off in Do you
remember the Simon Pegg movie run Fat Boy?
No, it was an English movie about Simon Pegg's character who
essentially says I'm going to run the London Marathon, right?
That's the basic premise of it. But in my mind, I started racing
off my head going, could you do a, almost a, a, a mini version
of Drive to Survive, even about a local park run, if you found
the right characters and noise around it?
Or could you potentially create some sort of a fictionalised
story around? Of course you could Something
like that. I mean, you can make a story out
of anything. I mean, you Have you ever seen
Bo Miles? I think.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. On on YouTube, yeah.
I mean this. Is a bloke who picks up rubbish
and makes it into a doco. Yeah, like, I mean, he, I
actually the first time I saw him, he was eating baked beans
for 40 days or something. I mean, you can create a if you
can tell a story, you can create a story out of anything.
I just really think those, you know, if we're talking in the
big time now of like Netflix and that type of thing, it's really
you've got to have a circus of a sport.
People are interested in the glam and the glam, the glitter
and. Stay with me for a second.
Could we, could we put on a celebrity race, whether it be
AA10K or a 5K or a half marathon or whatever.
And you create that circus by going and getting those run
influencers who back themselves in the noisy ones, going and
getting those noisy ones to participate.
But then also going and getting and, and developing, almost
creating that rivalry between a couple of them.
But then also going and getting just some bigger names who might
not be really elite level runners or even runners at all.
But I'm just trying to think like, I remember Hamish Blake
did this amazing thing. Hamish and Andy did this amazing
thing on their radio show years ago.
Katie Holmes ran the New York Marathon and the next day, I
think Hamish said I could run faster than that, I could beat
her time. And he was not a runner at the
time. And then so the next day they
set it up and Hamish tried to go and beat Katie Holmes's marathon
time running around Albert Park in Melbourne.
Did you beat her? I think you did, yeah.
But that idea of if you went and got those characters and brought
them into the running world with some sort of a DACO celebrity
race challenge thing. Oh.
I I think there's something in this that definitely in, you
know, you mentioned city to surf or somewhere a little bit of a,
you know, a race. But yeah, I'm, I'm not sure.
But what I do know, what I do know, there is possibility.
I mean, more and more people are coming across running.
There has to be some interesting content out there of what's
behind the scenes. OK.
Yep. What about White Lotus?
You across this one. This is the new season.
I've watched the 1st 2. I haven't.
I haven't watched any of this latest season though, but I know
it's in Thailand. It is.
It is in Thailand. It's a it's a nice spot, but the
reason I bring it up is they with this the whole White Lotus
kind of hotel thing and being in these amazing locations, this
one's particularly at a Wellness camp, there's some kind of trend
out there all like stuff I'm seeing around, you know,
Wellness being the next big tourism status symbol.
So not just, you know, that's where you go to do it, but it's
like that's where the high Flyers are going up.
You know, I don't know what in the past you would have seen as
like the goal or what's the perfect holiday.
Maybe it was ski holidays. Maybe it was, you know, going to
no. Fields, yeah.
I'd also say boats like yacht like being boats, yachts or
whatever. Wellness.
Wellness places being the new status.
There's quite a few around us here on the on southeast in this
Gold Coast, SE, Queensland, Northern Rivers corner.
Yeah, I know. There's one up in Grumman called
Eden, not far from where I am in the.
Back of the Valley. Yeah, there's a bunch down in
Byron obviously as well. Look it you know it, it is
perfectly on pace with everything else we see.
Non alcoholic beers, non alcoholic spirits, non
alcoholic. The non alcoholic boom within
the beer one and spirits industry is bigger than it has
ever been. The creation of run club.
There would be more run clubs than have ever existed before in
history of the world from a a products market.
I imagine that health and well being market is more saturated
than it has ever been, so it only makes sense that the
tourism industry embraces this as well.
And I high disposable income people.
We we think obviously run clubs are booming and runnings are,
you know, and it is, yeah. Do you still think just general
Wellness people out there just wanting to be healthy going and
you know, I don't know what else, what do you do for your
health going and seeing certain? Professionals.
No, no, no. I mean, we, we, we just run let.
Me ask you this question, Cordy. What else do you think people do
for their health aside from running?
Well, I'm, I'm, my mind kind of went to 60 minutes.
I'm, I mean, you know when you see someone on 60 minutes
telling them, hey, how they're going to live.
Yeah, 60 years. There's that bloke who's trying
to live forever. Yeah, maybe that's the guy I'm
thinking of. Like, you know, they're doing,
they're underneath infrared beds.
And that's when I think Wellness in that term.
Wellness, yeah, that's where my mind goes.
Like ice bath being probably entry point that is.
Yes, OK, here we. Go.
That's pure entry point hot and. Cold ice hot and cold plunges.
Saunas that feels like you're you're gateway drug.
What's a what's a few places on the Gold Coast there's like so.
You got rigs recovery? Yeah.
Is it CP3 or no? There's another gym that R3 or
something. Like that I went to soak, I went
to soak one day with my wife and oh man, it's nice to sit in a
pool. But you can do that as a resort
too. I mean, like I understand the
whole recovery centre thing that that now is accessible.
What is done is it's made it accessible to everyone.
So you hear about when you're talking about starting five and
you're seeing all the basketballers with their own
masseuse, ice bath and everything, They're all, yeah,
all at their home. That's what elite athletes get
to do. Now everyone gets to have a bit
of a slice of that if you want to go to one of these centres
where I was going. So like if you think about ice
bath being the entry point infrared, then they've got these
new, you know, saunas that you press different colours and
buttons and then I'm sure it scales up into.
Peptide I was going to say the next step up would be the IV
drip places, the fluid replacement places, which I I
and I have friends who've gone to these places and in my head
and I'd like to investigate it because I'm genuinely curious
about it I'm not don't know if I'm keen to ever try one, but
I'm. Curious an IV.
What? But the places where you go,
essentially a lot of people seem to go there either because they
are athletes or because they're hungover and and they've had a
Bender of a weekend they need to replenish themselves.
When, when we used to, I used to write when we were up in Japan
racing because obviously in summer there it's excruciatingly
hot. The first thing we'd do was
literally get off the course, get to the medical tent and say
dehydrated like I need and get the drip because.
Put drip in but I. Mean it was the best sailing
just. It's just, it's just water.
Yeah. See, I don't think that's
getting these play all these places put into you.
Yeah, well, just getting hydrated as quick as possible
for recovery because you've just done such hard race.
Now that's illegal. Now you can't have a drip.
Why? Why have they made it illegal
'cause I remember. The bladder I.
Remember the Brisbane Lions got in trouble for doing this cause
at one point the Lions back in Simon Black and Michael Lawson,
the dominant years and Akron and everybody they had them sitting
on the bench with their IV drips.
Well, I. Mean that's that's full on but
it but for recovery it makes sense if you're playing in a hot
conditions and then you want to recover for the next day like as
quick as possible. You want like just like you want
fluids in your body ASAP. It's the same same theory.
The reason I would suggest I don't know the background of
this someone probably will know, but I'm assuming it's got to do
with needles. So any type of injection, self
administered or not has to be notified.
You you have to know if you're in that, you know, at Olympic
level sport or in those sports, they get drug tested.
Any from my understanding, I've been out of it for a few, you
know, a few years now. But any needle that you inject
needs to be notified. Can we so if if if that's wrong
someone who's someone will someone is still getting drug
tested. Every week stop down a little
bit on drug testing. Yep.
In your career? Yep.
How was it? It was normal.
What is that experience? It was completely normal.
So pretty much since I was pretty much since I was a
teenager, yeah. We would have to fill in an hour
each day. You had to put into a a digital
system an hour each day where drug tester could find you and
you had to be, you have to be in that location.
If you're not in that location when they come knocking, it's a
break. It's a strike.
Three strikes. How did you manage that?
Well, different sports, it's easier or harder in different
sports. And look, if you were
travelling, you could have some travel days in there.
Like if you like legitimate purposes, sure, but day to day
it was more challenging. Well, the way I went about it
was I'm gonna be at home after dinner 90% of the time.
That's when I knew I'd be at home.
If you were a swimmer and you know you're going to be at the
swimming pool every morning at from 5:00 to 7:00, it becomes a
bit easier, right? Because you're going to be there
every morning between 5:00 to 7:00.
And if you got up and got sick, it's a game of chance, right?
If you remember to change the time, you probably could.
If you if you don't, the likelihood.
Of them turning up at. That hour is pretty unlucky, but
that's the reason there's three strikes now.
In some periods of times those three strikes have been utilised
for probably sinister purposes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But may I? Did you ever get a strike?
I no, I don't think I did. Never had a strike.
Yeah, but I do recall.
So you asked, what was it like? Yeah, I would have two people
turn up at my front door, ring the doorbell and when you heard
it at 7:30, you're like, oh, no, especially when you've had a big
day and you're dehydrated because you, they could be here
with you till 9:00 PM at night because you've got to pee.
So the first thing you do, I'd sit at my where you walk in and
see my kitchen table on the white kitchen bench.
I'd get blood drawn. Once that was drawn, the nurse
was able to leave. They'd go home, send it off in,
you know, it was a little ice packed bag.
It'd go off to the lab and then the other guy would wait to see
me pee. And and now how did that work?
So literally the toilet to your left there?
Yep, I'd have to keep the door open.
I'd turn to the side. Yep, let him have a look at the
old fella. You had to.
Hunt, you don't have a choice. He needs to see fluid, right?
Literally. Literally leaving the head.
He needs to see. He needs to see the the exit.
He needs to see 'cause there's been obviously in certain
instances people with like bags and different, you know, some
are using someone else's urine and all that.
But that that's, I mean, that's as true and as honest as I can
give it. And that would happen.
I could go six months and no one would turn up to that door.
And you can kind of obviously it was, I always say it was
targeted in a certain way. Like I would be like pre season
before I'd go overseas. Generally I knew I'd get one or
two knocks. Yep, Just making sure that in
our offseason we weren't probably doing anything to.
And was that, would that have been across the board or because
you were one of the better athletes at the pointy end, you
could expect it more consistently?
Yeah, I think in Australia here at least, I mean I can't speak
for around the rest of the globe, but in Australia, I do
believe it was always targeted at you're more the top.
Performers the top. Performers who were gonna go,
and I don't know where, that's because of protect, like nearly
protecting Australia in a way. Also probably protecting the
sport of the sport. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So making you know, and they're making sure and you're testing
the ones who are actually going off to compete overseas because
that's. The reality if if a if a if a
battler in any sport. That's a feeling I don't know.
No, I really don't know, but I. Think it's a feeling probably
shared amongst the common public.
We see it's rules for some. We see it's very easy to punish
harshly someone at the lower level of a sport because it's
not seen as much of A casualty. And I don't mean this harshly, I
just mean this in the reality. Whereas if the number one in any
sport in the world, the top performer get it's done, that is
a tonne, it's that is a black mark on the entire sport.
Yeah, like, I think if you talk to someone like if, you know, we
ever got the talk to say Grant Hackett or someone like that in
his eight day, he was getting down at Miami pool at that set,
5:00 to 7:00 AM period. MMM.
Yeah. The the the testers would turn
up to swim pools all the time because then they could get also
not they'd get like, you know? 5 for one yeah, yeah, yeah, you
know it's. Like a, it was like a bargain.
They didn't, you know, the, the agency probably didn't have to
pay them, you know, triple time. They were just knocking,
knocking them out. And it's always easier in the
morning as well, you know, around fluids.
And then the second period you'd get done with, if you performed
well at a race generally, at at least in triathlon, in that like
kind of World Cup world championship style level, the
top three would generally just be automatically sent to the
room. And then they'd maybe take like
two or three others randomly from the next 10 or 20.
Yeah. Was it the same people like did
you get to know the testers? 100% I, I mean, I should know
his name, but I recall he came down from Mount Tambourine.
And the reason I remember Mount Tambourine was his bag that had
all of the vials and everything in it.
And the can't really explain how it was like there were these
foam containers and everything is marked and ticked off.
So when you open the containers, there's a seal on it.
You break the seal and there's a process you go through to make
sure everything's, you know, in the right order.
When you seal it back up, you put your name and you know, it's
all this stuff. But he always had red dirt on
his bag because up at tambourine you've got that real nutrient
red dirt. And I reckon he must have kept
the stuff down under his house or something and always would
have red dirt on it. And I was like, mate, I
remember. From Tambo and I, and I
apologise if there's people running along listening to this
going. Liam move on.
There's other things to talk about, but I'm fascinated by
this because this is not something I'll ever have to
experience. What's the vibe like between you
both or between the three of you?
Like is that is it a hey, Courtney, how are you?
How you going? Yeah, come on in.
Come on in, guys. Well, I mean you.
I suppose it depends on who you are.
I mean, I was always relatively nice, offer a drink and
whatever, but there's been times they've sat, I've watched TV for
like a few hours with the drug testers next to me, like in as a
family and, you know, my wife would sit there too and.
And you're just watching a show or a movie?
Yeah, more than you. You just go on with your with
your night or whatever you're doing, and the reality is once
they cite you and inform you you're being tested, yeah, they
can't let you out of their sight.
Also, even if you said like. I I've just got to go upstairs
to check. No, he, he, he will come walk up
with me to the the wardrobe. It's like a tagger in AFL.
Once he's once they've tagged you.
So if you're at a race and after the race, you know, and
triathlon's a unique sport, I suppose because you're out there
in the more like cycling where you can move around or if you
want to warm down, which you often do after a race, you you
could run, but you'd have to run within eyesight of the tester
watching you. And if you run off, I mean,
effectively that's. Guilty, right?
He's not gonna catch her, is it? Well, he's not gonna catch her.
But it's also you're guilty, right?
So you'd warm down just 100 metre stretch or if you're on a
bike in, you know, circles or whatever it was.
But yeah, man. Well just sit down and watch TV
with you. This.
Was 15 years. I probably went through, I
reckon 3 different main, main, main person in that time and
yeah, we got to know them. And so you, they walk in in one
one hand, you're like, you just want it.
Yeah, but. They're doing their job right,
right? They're doing their job.
This is so fascinating. And I mean, yeah, it's.
I mean, Lisa would've worked through this.
Lisa would be more than me. Lisa.
Used to joke about the fact that she can't remember like she got
over not paying privately when she was 14 because that's when
she made the Olympic team and that was the end of it.
You know, from a testing perspective, she was tested so
regularly ever since so but it, no, it's, it's fascinating.
I don't even know how we got here.
I literally got oh, we're talking about Wellness and IV
and all the rest of it anyway. Well.
Yeah. That's, that's, that's, that's
as honest as I can be about drug testing.
It is nothing private about it, put it that way.
Great chat, love that, enjoy it. Now do I need to defend myself
to the Brooks lovers out there? You do, you do.
You're getting called out hard and I'm coming, I'm coming.
Well, I'm getting called out too, Liam, because I was, I was
also having a bit of a dig at we're not a dig at Brooks.
We just didn't see this coming. But I now understand why Brooks
is the number 3 rated shoe on strap, why they're a lovers of
Brooks, and not just because I like the Bran Brooks.
They we're getting people defending Brooks like they're
going to battle, like they're in Braveheart and they're running
off on the field to battle. I did not see this coming.
I did not see this level of a because I thought people who who
wore Brooks were too old and wouldn't be able to work social
media or listen to podcasts. I'm doubling down.
I was even running, I was down at the spit running this morning
and I saw one of the guys with like a really high stacked
Brooks on. And yeah, so now it's a little
bit like, you know, when you buy a new car and you didn't think
anyone drives that brand, You've seen them everywhere.
I'm seeing Brooks everywhere now but this high.
So this hyper and GTS too. So this is right.
We've been talking about the ghost a little bit and that's
what we're being copping a Flack on because people love their
ghosts. Yes, I actually I'll take that
back. Brooks lovers.
Brooks lovers love their ghosts. Yeah, but this hyper and GS
twos, they're like their race shoe yes, and I've had a few so
not just one more than a like a bit of a a few writing about
this one as being their race shoe that they love too.
So. I I look love it if you want.
I still think they're boring shoes.
Yeah. And I'm and I'm staying.
I'm staying on that. I'm with you.
I don't, I don't think anyone's sending.
I don't think Brooks is going to be sending us a pair of Brooks
to try anytime soon, however. However, if you think about it,
that is the best thing they could do, Liam.
Be boring. No, send you a pair of shoes to
try and change your mind. I mean, that's the only thing
that's going to change your. Mind you.
Want to challenge me? Send them my way, Brooksy.
Look, yeah, look, I can't love every shoe.
I can't. There's too many shoes.
There's too many shoes to love. There's too many shoes to try.
There's. Too many shoes to try.
There's too many shoes to love. I don't.
Want Zacconi so and I got I got checked on the pronunciation.
How's it meant to be pronounced? Sock Unni.
Sokoni. Sok, UH, Sokuni.
Sokuni. Oh, Sokoni.
I don't know if that's right either, but that we did get
corrected. I've always said Saucony.
I'm just saying Saucony. Maybe it's an Aussie slang of
saying so where's? Saucony from If it's from Japan,
I'll start saying Saucony. I don't know, I'm going to guess
it's an American. Shake again Anyway, people I've
I've never run in Saucony's either, so I can't I.
Haven't. Like I said to you, I raced, I I
had a deal like a race. I was paid to race for them for
a year. Brooks.
He never came coming though. Never never got a knock on the
door from Brooks, but there's a few I'm just thinking about the
one who I have race for. So, and this when I say race for
like being paid, pretty much paid or yeah, pretty much paid.
First one ever was Reebok. Cool.
So Brad Bevan, I was managed by the same, yeah, the Croc.
In the early days I was managed by the same company who managed
the Croc. So I got on.
I got a little bit of a handball on that one as a junior.
Not really in running shoes these days much, are they?
Not really, they sort. Of pivoted towards CrossFit in a
very big. One, but I think really early
days you had Nike and Reebok with a big two.
That's it, yeah. Absolutely so.
And Reebok. The Reeboks I had originally.
All I can remember with my early shoes, and this is going back to
my more teenage days, they always were like a fluro orange
or fluro pink. So you never could just say I
just want black or I just want white.
That will always fluro. So that was Reebok.
I think the next mob I went into was Zulconi.
Then I ran in Nike for a a long, long time and I wasn't paid by
Nike. I'll be completely upfront, but
I was getting given Nike and I that's probably why when I talk
about now about shoes, I I do have this like they supported me
for a long time through a period where I wasn't being necessarily
being paid by shoes, but I'm wearing Nikes and still to this
day, a lot of the different brands, like if I was to go off
and run a, you know, grab a shoe, if it wasn't a Solomon,
yeah, next pick at this stage, I would probably go and grab a
Nike. I've just jumped onto Reebok's
running shoe page. Yeah.
And it's very interesting because they don't really look
like they're competing much in the running shoe market, but
they do have this thing called a Floatzig, which seemingly it
almost looks like a the on style of shoe that's.
Kind of is a running shoe because they've got, I mean,
they've got a lot of vintage. Yeah.
I was looking at a vintage pair of Reebok.
The other day that's. I'm going to turn it from a
distance. Yeah.
Oh, OK. Yeah.
So it's that kind of waffle sole.
Yeah, it kind of it kind of like the way it would the sole would
split with with actually. Models almost like a vertebrae
on a back on the spine is the way it would peel off the road.
But yeah, I don't know. How that would go these days.
But yeah, so then Reebok, Nike and then I went through a long
period, obviously the New Balance Japan, that was the the
main thing and then Solomon. So I have run in a fair well a
reasonable range of. Shoes.
You've run into heap of shoes. And of course, what were the
things with the weird? Oh, Newton in there.
Newton. I didn't even think of that.
That was when Newton first came to Australia.
So that was off off the back of New Balance.
Like I didn't even remember that the.
Courtney Shoe Museum's going to open one of these days.
I can't wait to explore the. But yeah, so Brooks.
Yeah, OK. Hey, love you, Brooks.
I'm happy to have a conversation.
If you're hey, if you're a Brooks runner and you see me run
past, you can flip me the bird. That's fine.
That's OK. That's OK.
I'm on board with it. New York Marathon?
OH this is wild. So they got 200,000 applicants,
which means only two to 3% of the people who wanted to run
actually got accepted. Are you across the running
standards? Are you across the quality
times? No.
Give, give. I've gotta give us a lay down.
So I've got a mate, Ben who is qualified.
He's in, he's going, he'll be racing there this year.
He. Lucky guy or well get tell me
how it. Works well.
He's he's in the 45 to 49 age group and he ran a 251 at Gold
Coast last year. His qualifying time for his age
group for New York was a 310 for the 45 to 40 nines.
He's well and truly qualified. He's he's in there comfortably.
So these when you so let me understand when you apply, yes,
your time matters. You submit a qualifying time.
And then do they have like a bit of a random draw?
Yeah, and then it's it's a case of so I think, and this is
probably the case with Boston as well and these other marathons
where it's hard to get in, they do take, they want it to be the
best. You know, it's not a meritocr.
Oh, sorry. It's not a everybody gets a
turn, not participation medals. It's a meritocracy.
You're there on merit. So I'm just, I'm actually, Ben's
told me the qualifying time for his age group was a 310.
It's actually faster than that. It's a 305 for the 45 to 49 age
group. It's a solid.
That's a qualifying marathon on you'd be.
Would you be in that one? Are you 4044?
No. I'd be in that one.
So you'd be in that one. For my age group in 40 to 44 my
qualifying time is a 258 so and then the fastest.
Well, you're on track. You need to you need to bring a
few 2 minutes. Down the fastest 18 to 34 is the
fastest qualifying age bracket, and that is a 253.
So essentially if you want to be in New York and you're under the
age of 50, you need you need to be running a three sub three
hour marathon. And I'm going to say with all of
those three times you just gave me, you need to be a marathoner.
Yeah, in the in the sense of you're all in on running a time.
Now you can get there. You can get there via a
fundraising manner. So there is other ways into it,
but if you want to enter and win a spot on merit, it's time
based. Now just to I.
Haven't done my homework on this but I'm sure if you continue to
enter year after year after year you.
Probably increase your chances yeah, just quickly the other
I'll just give you some of the the women's times as well
because they are slightly different to the men's. 45 to 49
is a 338, OK, so it's a significant adjustment 40 to 44
is a 3/26 marathon, 35 to 39 is a 3/15 marathon and 18 to 34 for
women is a 3/13 marathon. So.
If you're a solid marathon runner for as a female you can
you your chances are a lot high. Interestingly enough, if you're
at 80 plus male, your qualifying time is you're going to run a
sub five hour marathon. You're going to run a 455 what
at the age of over 80. And if you're over 80 as a
female, you got to break 635. So you're going to run under 6
1/2 hours. Oh, there you go.
New York. Have you got Asper?
Have you run? You said you run a what?
Major, do you? Run.
You run London? I've run London, that's it.
And I don't think I've actually ever run Sydney.
Look, I'm a I'm a box checker runner.
I'd love to run all the majors. I'd love to tick them all off
inch. Does that drive you for the
time? Is that like part of when you're
thinking, oh, I've got a goal time?
I haven't thought about breaking 3 hours because I want to
qualify for these other marathons.
Sub three hours in my head is very much a mark that I just
want to get under that mark. It's just a mark.
Interestingly though, and I I'm annoyed at myself that it's I've
just remembered this. I saw a, a, an Instagram post
during the week with a, an experienced trainer, an athlete
talking about the idea of the, the value and the importance of
a marathon being diminished by this running boom.
And the idea that you see all these people signing up for
multiple events throughout a 12 month calendar window.
They sign up for, you know, they might run three different
marathons, they might run five other events and their, their
year becomes listed. And the his take on this was
that if you are setting yourself the target to run a marathon,
part of it is about the pursuit of that event and the pursuit of
that singular moment. That one thing that you are
training for and that you are identifying and you are spending
your six months leading up to. And you talked about the elites
and that's they might race twice a year.
And the idea that because of popularity and running boom and
all the rest of that, it's diminishing the achievement of a
marathon because everyone can kind of just not everyone, but a
lot of people just go out there and get through it.
And does that make it any worth less?
While we've we've talked about this, do you run a marathon or
do you just make a marathon? Yeah, that's that's I do think
there's two sides to this because there's there's a lot of
runners in that in not just marathons, in all of the runs
that are in there for the completely different reason to
try and run a time. Sure, You know, their goal is to
make a marathon. And there's nothing like I've
got nothing wrong. I've got nothing wrong with that
at all to be applauded. But I do hear you, though,
around because I saw this in triathlon.
I'd. I'd been around long enough in
triathlons to see this happen with Iron Man, because Iron Man,
when I began was this pinnacle of like, if you could race an
Iron Man. Yeah, that was like there was a
there was a train. You started at spring distance,
you went to Olympic distance, you might crack 1/2 and then you
go to Iron Man. Now you just find people.
Just go. I'm just ticking a night, man.
I'm gonna do an Iron Man. I'm.
Just ticking an Iron Man, you walk into the off.
You work in an office block in Sydney, Melbourne.
Wherever you walk into the office you used to walk in and
go. I did an Iron Man the the whole
I guarantee of half the office would turn around now.
I did an Iron Man. Wow, half of the finance
department over there didn't Iron Man this year.
So what's the new Iron Man then? What's the?
New marathon the new marathon became this this idea of how far
can you run 100K trail run or 100 and then the mile the miler,
sorry, 160 K the longer you could go it nearly like was that
was more merit and I've we've talked about this I've
challenged before around so. What happens next?
Because we can't just keep going further.
High rocks? I don't know, I don't know.
I think it probably. Is no, but I think it is.
It's like what? And again, I've got, there's
nothing wrong with this. I mean, we sit here, talk, find,
trying to find things to talk about each week.
You've got to find something if you're driven to do running or
if you're driven to do events by like wanting to be able to talk
about what you're doing. You'll find something new you
need. To find something new or need to
find up the ante each time, right?
If you're not driven by time. And then what you'll, I reckon
you find is where you find those like whether it's the 10K,
whether it's a, a certain triathlon, whether it's a, you
know, time trial on a, on a push bike and someone's just trying
to improve. Their goal is trying to improve
first. My goal is trying to do as much
as I possibly can experience. But what it's worth, I also want
to do an Iron Man just to take it off so I can see it with the
finance guys. What, what, what, what I mean,
what side of the fence are we talking about?
Anyone listening? Like what side of the fence do
you you sit on? Do you?
Are you driven to do what you're doing by trying to improve your
time? Or are you driven by?
I'm a. Foot in both camps.
More events, Longer events. I'm a foot in both camps because
I like, I'm really looking forward to this twelve week
block challenge of, of getting myself and having a crack at a
sub through a marathon. I've done a marathon.
I know what it's like to finish one.
I know what it's like to struggle through one.
Yeah, because I have, but I always and so I still want to go
back because I want to challenge myself time wise.
But then, for example, when we go down to Konani for the
Salomon Golden Trail race, I'm not trying to win this thing.
I'm I've never done it before. I am running that for the
experience. That's a new experience.
I'm running that for the experience.
Same thing when I take on an Iron Man and I will and I'd like
to do in the next couple of years.
I'm not racing it for a time, although I will train with a
time in mind. I'm racing that for the
experience and if there becomes an opportunity to race it in a
destination I'd like. To do that as well and.
That's an added bonus. So I'm very much a pushing
myself for PB at all times, but saying yes to experiences as
well, yeah. Well, I'm, I'm firmly about
experiences. Yeah.
And interestingly, the distance doesn't really affect me at all
in the sense of if the experience was right and it took
and it was a multi day event, yeah, I'd be all in.
If the experience was right and it's a like a unique 5K event,
I'm I, I would want to do it. So for me it's, well, at this
stage at least. Yeah, it's all about like,
what's new and. And that's because you've spent
20 years plus chasing PBS and trying to be and time focused
and. Time and I'm I'm not I'm I'm
sitting here going I don't think that's the right way to be I've
reached a point where that is that for me yeah, but I still
firmly sit on the idea of like I'd want to be improving times
race yeah I want to race I would want to race if I had you know
if I was 100% could just eat sleep and and run.
That was one of our great tangents by the way, we really
raced off away on. Some stuff and we probably
needed it today. We're a bit light on after the
what's been going on this week. Yeah, it's but yeah, it's.
But yeah, we've done well not to be talking about cyclones and
weather patterns and tropical lows.
Yeah, well, what about your run? Like we're talking about
cyclones and running, yeah. Let's talk about run weeks.
Did you run? I ran once.
Once. Sorry, a lie.
I ran. I ran twice.
I think for last week. If you're talking about total
kilometres run, I think I ran about 2425 KS.
So I think I got a couple of runs in before the weather
really turned and it became what it was.
I did 112K run on the Saturday which was one of the heavy days.
OK, Saturday. Sunday.
Yep. I ran.
I ran 2 KS to meet Whippet and we ran a 4K at 4K back.
We ran 4 KS into the teeth of the wind along the Ocean way and
we ran 4 KS back. The 4K is into the teeth of the
wind. We were running 5 minute pace.
The 4K is running back with the wind as a tailwind without
changing our effort at all. Was 430 pace, so 30 seconds.
32nd win per K. She was amazing.
Should have went for APB but. That's what my brother in law
and I was saying were like today's the day go start at
Berlinga and run down to Krumman and get yourself a a sub 18
minute 5. Ki saw, I saw Jordo who's part
of Gold Coast Run Co, but he also does the Journeyman podcast
with Tim Vincent and that on they went out to try and do a
1K. Oh, they did.
PB and they go. It was in his PEI, think he ran
245 back with the wind. That's not his PB though, so he
can run quicker. But they were having a bit of
fun with the idea of, you know, going.
Did you see anyone else running at that?
Lots, really. Lots.
I was, and the irony was, you know, I'd been on radio
encouraging people not to go out and do stuff.
That was my next question. And then?
Very much was I'm going to go out and do stuff, but it was
funny because we turned around as we as we turned around to go
home, we got to a point on the ocean way and both of us kind of
went that tree wasn't there on the way out.
One of the trees had come down across the ocean way as we were
running. So there's probably reason
enough not to be out in the. Bed but I I thought about that
around the idea. When you're running.
Yeah, around, did you? Get out in the bed.
I did get out in the bed, but I thought about this idea of like,
should I be going out and running?
Like I'm comfortable to run in some pretty heavy stuff like the
rain and the wind doesn't bother me.
Trees bother me, sure. Probably don't want one of them
falling on you, but I was in that dilemma of like should I do
the right thing and stay at home?
But I really want to run first day.
So it would have been Friday, I think.
Well, the first day there was like the winds and the rain was
told to stay inside. I got on my treadmill, I was
doing some K reps on this on the treadmill and then it started to
go haywire. Like the elevation was like
going up to 25 and then down. And I think what was happening
was this. My sweat was getting in behind
the control panel anyway, right? Me just being silly, ripped it
up to try and look at what was going on.
And of course, yeah, ripped all the cables out.
Sure. Of course you have.
First aid, no tremble for the rest of the rest of the week.
So then I got OK, perfect. I can't get out yet.
Running. I'm gonna get on.
I'm gonna get my bike out and get on the ergo.
So I did 2 days of really good strength ergo work on the bike.
Haven't ridden a bike like I said for the mountain bike,
haven't ridden on an ergo for God knows, can't even remember.
Yeah, I've I've done myself. I don't feel real handy running
at the moment. What do you what have you done?
I've aggravated my hip flexors. Let's say that I don't.
Think there's anything majorly wrong?
But Oh no. Another good piece of It's not
advice, but it's like what I just did.
That is so silly. It's like we always say.
Don't. Why is it silly?
Well. Don't do anything new or what
your body's not used to. Right.
Start slow. I went back and I thought, you
know, I was used to just like we talk about training Diaries and
all that. I've got like certain ergo
sessions that I'm used to doing. So the first day I was doing
some 3 minute reps just to to break it up in small chain ring,
but in a decent enough gear and I thought well that will warm me
up. I'm not going too hard.
The next day I got in there to do it.
I did descending gears in like a strength effort workout where I
went 10 minutes in big chain ring Top Gear and then 9 minutes
in the second gear down. So a little bit harder, 8
minutes in the next gear down till I'm literally in, you know,
5313 or whatever just grinding. OK.
I didn't pull up great from it. Right.
No. And then just to top that off
the next day, so the, the we don't have the wind hit like the
cyclone hit or went close enough to the coast and crossed over
Morden Bay or whatever, Then the next night was the night where
the, you know, we're getting the flood.
Watch Yeah, the Flood. Watch and the the wind really
came in strong and that no, this was this was Saturday night.
The wind was coming in really strong.
So Sunday morning I went to the window out the back here and it
was blowing a Gale. And I thought, yeah, probably
not the time to run. But Doctor Ben and my brother
said, no, we're going. I did run along the beach.
I was out there for two hours. The best spot, running down to
the beach, all the corridors, you know, where the wind funnels
through the through the streets was a nightmare.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Once we got on the beach, it
was. It's fine it.
Was actually quite fine, you know, and at that stage the
danger had kind of. Yeah.
And the other thing, the other thing that I, the reason I did
go for kind of one other run during it all was and the thing
that I, I think I did 6 1/2 K or something like that.
I I couldn't help, I couldn't stop looking up at the power
lines. Yeah.
And I said, what are you doing? Like really, what are you doing?
What are you doing? And so since then off the back
of the weekend on the Monday just gone, I had a really,
really nice 15K run, which I throw in kind of some 2K efforts
trying to run at that required sub three hour marathon pace
just to just to change the run up and stop it being a Monday
and five minute K pace run sort of thing.
But would you like because I've started a list, Courtney OK,
I've started a list in this mind, do not eat before running
list, right? These are things that you should
not. Eat these are things that and
this is me, OK, This is I'm not telling anybody what to eat or
drink or consume during after. Learn by experience.
Before running this is my. I'm going to update this as I go
as I add things to it. OK, this is my do not eat before
running list and there's only three things on at the moment,
but I'm going to continue to add, first of all, just me,
Macca's sausage name with muffins.
There's a spice in that, in the sausage.
You go sausage and egg. Oh yeah, what do you go?
Oh bacon and oh. Get.
Out I don't want. Well, maybe I've learnt from
experienced sausage. Yeah.
Oh, you're the BAE. I can't remember the last time I
had a bacon. Bacon and egg for.
Sure, jump in the comments people.
Bacon, egg be sausage. And egg.
No, no cheer, You think every day.
Oh wow OK no I'm a sausage and egg guy.
I had one before I run a while back and I can have a distinct
memory of the IT repeating on me about 3 KS into this.
I can understand that that's. Some I do not.
Probably sausage in general. There you go.
If you had a like, you know you fried up a.
You know, even though the Nippers BBQ.
Yep, Yep, sure. The next thing on the list is
the. This is from the night before.
OK so this like stays in the gut for 2012 hours or something?
The Zambrero burrito? Really.
Yeah, no, I can handle. Burritos.
It's on my list. See, And this is the thing.
This is why it's my. Did you get like, it was a spicy
pork? You got to get more, you know,
we need more information like just, OK.
I got I got a chicken burrito. Yep, with all the a few tremont
not jalapenos. So none of there was none of
that spice stuff in there. I do go the Chipotle sauce, but
that's it. And Nah, it's off.
It's off the off the menu. They were big like I'm I'm fine
with burritos, but they're always, they're a solid.
Pair. Like if you actually because
this is like the not the small one like a regular.
Size A regular size. Yeah, it's, but it's on.
Line. You get it from Taco Bell, where
G by G or wherever, they're all like it's got A.
There's a lot in it, good weight.
So that's on my list. And the latest item that's added
OK as a result of this most recent run is the Humble Apple.
An apple. OK, Yeah.
Just a It's an apple acidic. It's the.
Fibre. It's the fibre combined with
water. It's a it's, it's a runner's
colonic for me. I wouldn't have.
I wouldn't have put the other two.
I understand then the apple. No race race is like if I if I
combine, it's like remember, remember at high school when
your chemistry teacher do that thing where they made the the
flask like bubble over like a volcano?
Yeah, you take water apple and me running around, it's a recipe
for a poo jogger incident. So apples are on my list.
They're out. Can't eat them before runs.
Bananas still there. Bananas are fine.
The overnight oats everything aren't that great.
But I've those three things are officially on my do not eat
before running list. Yeah, there you go.
Well, there you go. I'm just trying to as you go,
you're. Trying to think of stuff.
I'm trying to think what wouldn't I eat before I'm I
thought my guts is pretty good on most things I do.
When you mentioned the burrito, that's where I went with this.
Like the the hotter, like something that you feel like a
pesto. Oh yeah.
Like if I had something like if I had a pesto pasta and then
went to try to run, I would feel that come up.
So it's not the food itself. I'd feel it's whatever the spice
or whatever the. Yeah, you know the acidity
level. Whatever the extra ingredient is
there, that's strong. See, I'm also not a coffee
drinker before running. Oh really?
Yeah, that's coffee races through me too.
And now everyone like I'm gonna, I'm gonna put 95% of people out
there are gonna go you, Liam, It's the magic pill.
Really. If you need to go to the toilet
before you go, running a consistent morning coffee does
the job. But how long?
Like I need a time frame. Well, I need I'm like the bomb
here. I don't want a week's later.
I want I want information. Straight information.
Well, that's a question we can ask, but I'm I'm talking that
coffee goes in within 20 minutes. 20 minutes.
Even quicker, but I think. You needed the coffee when the
testers used to turn up at your door.
You shouldn't have been drinking coffee.
Well, I don't need to give them a stool sample mate.
We're not talking about. I don't think they'd really be
appreciating in this. Can you imagine get that back
to? Them it would have happened for
sure. Can you imagine, you know when
you're when you're really busted and you're you know where?
I'm going with this. Hey, let's.
Not like the drug to just sit there on it.
Anyway, that was my that's my week.
That's my list of things I can't eat before running.
So you're you're, you're running.
So your hip. I'm a bit concerned about your
hip flexors though. I'm.
I'm a little bit concerned because what I was down at the
spit talk about the spit running this morning.
We did some fart like usual Tuesday fart like down there and
there were some trees. We went to do what was
obsession, 30 minutes of one minute on one minute float or
jog or whatever, trees down over the path, all over the place.
We're dodging, which is fine. And then suddenly there was a
road or like it said, Rd closed, but we're actually on the trail.
Yeah, We went straight past the sign and then realised about 400
metres later there was like a, a lake, yeah, of water there.
So we just ran back and forth. But yeah, I wasn't, I was not
comfortable. Like I'm not injured, but I
wasn't comfortable at all. And I'm just hoping it even
before we're sitting here. And I was like, oh, nearly
cramped in the in the hamstring. OK.
But it's just so, like we said, I did something at an intensity
that I'm not used to and haven't done for a long time.
Of course the response was gonna be you're gonna get sore, you're
gonna hurt yourself, whatever it is.
Yeah, yeah. Now it's on the run sheet.
But I can't believe you're bringing this back because I
thought we'd we'd killed this off.
We had killed it off, but the WTF mentions I I some came
across my emails. Some people were saying came
across my email. I said well let's run through
them quick. The first one is this is from
Teeton Valley in the US. It's literally a ski jump race.
So it's a time ski jump race. They're being pulled by horses.
Ski jaw. It's what it's called.
Is it called ski Ski jaw? The Teeton Valley Ski jaw
you're. Telling me you're not a fan of
this but I I I like. This one?
Oh, you do like this? No, no, I like this one.
I love this one we'll talk about and he is getting like the
horses on it and he's getting flung over those jumps like no
tomorrow. We'll share them on the
Instagram Stories, but that, yeah, that one always.
But you can see they've got a it's kind of like water skiing
in a sense. You know how and if you if you
have a slalom water ski, you've got to go round the poles as you
in slam skiing. But what you notice if you watch
this video is he's actually collecting rings along the way.
It's almost a cross between slalom skiing and Mario.
There's. Something.
Yeah, there's a lot going on, as you did.
You see Benny Hennett's. Oh yeah, with with his kids
playing in the storm waters. Literally on a 4 by 4.
Yeah, so they're getting pulled. This, this reminded me of that.
He's getting pulled and he's full.
I'd love to do this. I'd love to have a crack at it.
I'm on board. The second one, now this gets
into these world records that I'm like what is going on?
So the world record for making a peanut butter sandwich is a
fella young guy doing it, but it's a piss take of someone lady
beating him. So he's literally doing
Obviously there must be rules to making the quickest sandwich you
can make by buttering it and doing all that.
She's got the peanut butter in her mouth, drops it off a
sandwich. Wax it together.
I mean, but this this Ryan Kelso shared this I that makes you I
sick. But I'm like, what do you need
to what needs to be going on in your life to go?
I am going to make a world record out of this making a
peanut butter sandwich. I'm going to jump ahead too,
because when you talk about why the hell world records are being
made, Yeah, we've got the world marathon record in a wind
turbine. Now you and I disagree on this
because you actually like this. I think this is so dumb.
I think this is so dumb, right? I think in a marathon around the
observation deck of a wind turbine, right, the time's, the
time's not that impressive. It's 4 hours and 21 minutes and
you like you could do that on the ground.
Yeah, but you weren't impressed by Nike putting up their runners
in the London Eye. What's the difference?
That's a promo video. That's something cool.
That's a marketing. This is boring.
I am not that much of A. This is just a typical case of
making up. Crap, I do have a question.
For the sake of doing it, did he?
Did this person go? Was it the whole way around?
One way? I I.
Didn't go that much in depth, I just.
Saw because what I would say is if he is not, if he's changed
direction, that's cheating. If you're committing to running
it in a winter OK, and you're going around one way, fine do.
You do you reckon they like if it's smooth and it'd be shaken?
Easy as all hell. Yeah, so Michael Richards shared
that one. But off the back I'd seen
earlier in the week when we weren't ever going to bring
these up again. Yeah, a guy was doing a world
record marathon around a bloody roundabout.
I know we're giving, we're giving fuel to the fire here,
but they this, this should be outlawed.
I'm going to set the world record for a marathon in a phone
box. Choking up and choking up and
down and. It's never been done before.
You know what I mean? Off the back of you know, you
see on the shows the work treadmills.
Yeah. Marathon in a Zoom meeting.
World record. Do you have to be in a zoom
meeting the whole time? Got to be in a meeting the whole
time, so you can't really be. That's a long meeting for me.
We're. Just we're just, we're talking
absolute crap at the moment, but the one, the one that is good is
good is a sport and it's called Taser ball.
How's this playing soccer with an oversized ball?
It kind of reminds me more of a video game, but they've got
Taser, they've got proper Tasers on them.
They're tasering each other as they're tasing soccer, no?
You ever been electrocute? I've.
Had I've had like a, you know, a little ZAP, like a little ZAP,
but I wouldn't say I've been electrocuted where I've.
Biggest job I've ever had was when I touched an electric fence
but OK. Yeah.
I mean similar to that I've been, you know, is that.
But no this this looks. I don't ever want to get
tasered, Liam. This looks terrifying but also
really good fun. I I don't I would want the Taser
lowered like I wouldn't want the bots.
You talk about anxiety, anxiety going into sport.
Can you imagine walking out to play a sport like whatever sport
it is and knowing everyone, including yourself, has got a
Taser on you and you're going to get.
Have you seen there's another video similar to this where it's
people playing soccer, futsal, indoor soccer, and they're all
wearing a almost an ankle bracelet type thing around their
thighs. So it's like a a strap around
their thigh which is connected to a electric shock.
And there's people just sitting on a bench on the sidelines
zapping people at random. It's one of the funniest movie.
It's one of the funniest clips on YouTube.
OK. So now you now you've actually
brought this whole segment to a point, right?
What? Then would be interesting we're
talking about world records or whatever in running, yeah,
everyone with a zapping dog collar on or something.
Running and the crowd have control.
No, a, a track race, a track race with zappable, no.
And the the crowd can control. So if you're winning by too far,
they just start giving giving you a crack so you can't run as
quick and leaving the the and evening it out with electricity.
Do you know what my idea was just then?
My idea was that it was you have everyone has the collars on and
the ZAP kicks in after a certain time.
So it's like. God, so it's the time thing you
want to do a PB? If you want to run a PB,
otherwise you're going to get zapped.
I anyone can do it that that can be self self managed.
But you know what? I've realised what we're doing,
you and I, right now. We've got nothing to talk about.
We. Are designing Squid Games.
We are designing Squid Games, so let's move on before we keep
designing other TV shows that already exist.
So talk. About Ryan Kelso sent one of
them and he also asked us we'd he'd love to hear from both of
us about our top three spills. Now I don't have 3, but I'm
going to just what's your top have you?
Can you recall falling running? Because a lot of people would
have went through this at some point.
Can you what's your worst fall I've had, I've had haven't had a
lot of really intense falls. I've had a couple of trips here
and there running trails just, you know, classic clipping of
the toe sort of stuff down onto your hands.
Grazers there 1 memorable one that does come to mind though.
I was running around Palm Beach near my joint not that long ago
after rain hit and absentmindedly I've just, it was
like like a bike rider taking a corner and I've just I've
planted my left foot as I'm trying to take a left turn, but
I've planted it straight onto a slicks bit of the footpath.
Full down, skin off knee, shin, thigh, shoulder.
It was. It was a speedy.
Slide. No, no.
And it but it was that real up and down.
There's nothing worse running urban.
When you you do something, trip over the gutter or even worse,
you, you know, you're jaywalking, running across
jaywalking and then something happens when it rains.
I don't like my suburb obviously down Mermaid Way and they've got
all the old tiled driveways. Oh yeah, You run from people who
are listening will definitely be across this one and you're
running and you're literally trying to pick up the pace or
whatever. You're on the good concrete and
then you go to that next surface.
It's like ice, the ice skate for three metres and then you're
back on the next surface and then the next surface and then.
But even the painted lines on roads when it's wet, like I
avoid them because I find them slickers maybe.
What's your biggest film? I mean, you probably had some
decent ones off a bike, didn't you?
Oh. Yeah, but let's keep it to
running. Running probably my probably the
worst, the one that's hurt the worst running was that one when
we began the podcast and we, I was injured already and then I
tripped on a rock going down the little chute in the ring and it
was just such a small little like caught the tow and just the
way they, well, when I say a shoot, it was a single track
that went downhill and it just had roots and rocks.
And I just literally, you know, you know, you see those cartoons
or you see those where someone falls and then they just, you
just keep going down. It was like that.
It's like I was just ragged across the rocks.
I'm just trying to think of some other ones where I've had some,
I mean, just fallen on rocks and trail running in general.
I've had spills. But yeah, that would, that's the
one I can remember that really. Why do you want us to bring up
with times we've hurt ourselves, Ryan?
I don't like that. That's all right, right.
Sammy way, friend of the show, he's sent us through a message.
You said, you know, I really enjoyed the last step, gents.
By the way, to everybody who sent the messages in about
bingeing the the EPS keep on sending them through.
I'm loving hearing about these people that have discovered the
show jump back to the start and listening all the way through.
It's great to hear. Sammy says enjoy the last EP
gents. Keep it going.
Particularly like the branded shoe chat.
Really funny and on point. He's updated his running goal so
Sam sent in his running goals. Previously he said I wanted to
get to 4 minute case for 10K working on a sustainable heart
rate. But seven weeks into that his
knee has started to play up and he's gone and got some medical
advice. He's now gone and seen a few
different professionals including a surgeon and got
scans. Prognosis.
Great to hear. Yeah, he's handling it the right
way. Prognosis.
Both sides of his knee have lateral meniscus tears.
Chronic degeneration likely from user playing footy causing him
pain, but it's not bad enough to warrant surgery.
But this actually puts him in a predicament because yeah, puts
him in a predicament. Sorry, that running
aggressively, being on hill stairs or a pace would then
require anti inflammatories. So he's only.
So basically he's got knees that are hurting if he's doing too
much running. He's only 39 and he wanted to
ask but he feels like it's a pretty off way to run.
If you're having to take anti inflammatories every time you
want to go for a run, you'd like to hear our points of view on it
and Courtney if you are willing to share a few video.
Taking any pain meds for long periods of time when you were
obviously running professionally, or even
afterwards. Yeah, yeah.
So I already got back to Sam directly because this one like
pain. So the first answer of direct to
me was have I ever had long term pain meds?
No, no, you've never. Had to take anything to
maintain. They each to their own on how
they manage things. And I have known people who, you
know, in, in not major pain medication, like just Nurofen or
something and they'd pop in Nurofen like it's, you know,
that's how they continue to be able to manage in sport For me,
no, I've never been able to do that because if it was that long
to be able to manage it for me, in that case, there's a bigger
problem. Look, this sounds like it is a
larger problem. So my advice that I should write
back to Sam was simple, like at some point, you know, and it's
not for me to tell him what to do or not to do either, but
he's. Gone and see medical.
Professional 100% but if it was me in this same situation, I
want to still be able to run. So I'd manage it by doing the
running I can do. And there might be a case that I
just. You'll have to avoid hills.
Yeah. You'll you may have to.
You know, for me, running is enough of a, you know, helps me
enough and I still want to be able to do it that and look,
there may come a time when you can't run and that would be then
a different decision. But at least for the moment, I'd
run what I can run without the pain.
Avoid the runs that will aggravate.
I would avoid the runs that can't because long term pain
management. Just a run doesn't sound for,
you know, for me, I wouldn't be inclined to want to be doing
that. But it's not a good situation,
right? No, no, it's, it's, it's
interesting. I know.
Obviously I know. What do you reckon?
What? Would you, would you be
interesting? I had an interesting moment
probably 2 1/2 years ago, not long after I moved up the Gold
Coast, where I was getting quite acute pain on the inside lower
section of my left knee. And I went and saw Kyle Weiss at
the Gold Coast physio. And I ended up then going and
seeing Liam at the other clinic as well.
And basically Kyle was saying that the IT had to do with my
leg strength and, and, and not having enough strength and it
was causing, that's what was causing the pulling and the
aching on the knee. Now there was a period for about
6 months there where it was really painful to run that that
thing would warm up and eventually I would stop noticing
it during a run. But then there were times where
it wouldn't warm up and I would feel the entire run.
And I was in a similar situation to Sam where I started taking
some anti inflammatories and putting some.
What's the gel called? Oh, there's.
A one of the anti inflammatory gels on it, I was because it was
really bothering me. And I think interestingly, I
injured my calf not long afterwards.
And you know, I don't know the bio mechanics at all, but maybe
they were related, I don't know. But as a result of injuring my
calf, it basically forced me to deload.
I had to stop running and then I had to focus on strength
training around that sort of stuff.
And since that injury, I've prioritised my strength training
around my legs as much as I possibly can.
I'm not as diligent as I should be, but I'm much more diligent
than I have ever been. That knee injury, I can still
occasionally feel. I can occasionally feel.
It's not, I wouldn't say it's an injury where it's I ever go ow,
but it's awareness. I have awareness of that spot on
my knee. Even as I sit here right now, I
can kind of twist it a bit and go, Yep, that's where there's
awareness there. But that injury since then,
since that de loading period and strengthening focus has never
been a problem. Yeah.
I mean, if, if, if it's a strength based issue or
something that's fixable. I mean, in Sam's case here, it's
actually the doctors have told him it's, it's, it's chronic and
you know, it's, it's an injury that isn't going to heal by
doing stuff. So that's a different situation.
And like like I said, if it was me, I just want to be able to do
what I can do to keep running. So then getting sorry you asked
me the question, what would I do if I was in Sam's position?
Hard to say. Hypothetically, I'd like to
think I'd keep running because I love running, but I probably
wouldn't. I'd probably go and try and find
another cardio based exercise that I could do that isn't
causing me causing the pain. I don't know what I know.
It's not the, it's not the answers you want to hear when
you love running, is it? No, or I'd go and get really
good at golf. Like take a cart and get really
good at golf. Although twisting of your knees
probably not great for golf. We've asked this before, what
What is your? What's your next like?
What's your out sport like? Obviously at the moment running
is the main thing you do. Take running away What?
What's the sport? You you participate your golf.
When the season's right for me, I plan on getting very good at
golfer as best as I I plan on exploring what my ceiling is as
a golfer. Right, might have to come.
And I mean, I'm, I'm not a big fan of golf, but if you're
playing golf, yeah, yeah, see, I think golf with mates.
Oh yeah, it's probably a bit of a different scenario.
Yeah, I probably don't have the required etiquette to play with
people other than my mates, really.
But yeah, golf's great fun. I was devastated.
I was meant to play in the WPGA, the Women's Australian
Championship pro and before sanctuary cod, before cycling.
Alfred turned up and ruined it for everybody.
Yeah, love golf. Great sport.
The one that, well, the sport I don't do now that I would go
back is surfing. That's the other one I I looked
at. What did you OK?
If people haven't seen the swells that came through before
Alfred hit, I think you're down to watch any of it.
No, I mean I saw the clips of. Course, yeah, I mean, it's going
down and watching that live. Akira was, that was, that's
where. I love the idea of being able to
surf that. I don't know if I've got the the
ticket for it, though. To ever jump out in those
conditions, no matter how confident I was, yeah, that was
terrifying. That's where I'd go back.
That's the one thing that. I would go back to doing that.
I did as a kid, I suppose. But then at the same time I
wouldn't be able to leave the bike stuff.
Yeah, so like, but the sport that I don't get.
Time. To do, I suppose, is what I'm
saying. And if running was completely
taken out, gone, it would be. You'd be back.
I'd be back surfing. Yeah.
Alright, Alright.
Well, hey, look. You might have thought we didn't
have much to talk about that. As always, we get to this .01
thing. By the way, we did have a
suggestion come through and apologies for not having your
name on hand. Someone suggested that we start
a running group which goes for the duration of each episode.
OK in in what way? Like in that like that's.
Kind of you. You run for the.
Oh, you run. For the and and we balance,
yeah. Now my only issue there is like
that's not a running. Group you kind of unless you do
it on Strava only. I was like, you wouldn't want to
run alongside someone and listen at the same time, but you could
do a Strava run group where it's like in the beginning we can
look at, yeah, creating a Strava run group.
How long? 'S today gone for for about.
An hour 15? Yes, you're doing an hour. 15
run. Yep.
Well everyone enjoy your runs. We've been out.
Running now now that now that, you know, that's bugging off
yeah, for those in the Southeast, hopefully if
everyone's like not too bad, you know, some people would have
definitely got affected. So now we're thinking of you.
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