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In the beginning, Episode 46, we
are back. 

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Courtney, how are you 
travelling? 

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I'm good, Liam. 
Yeah, another week. 

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Another week and yeah, I'll 
concede. 

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Let's start with a concession, a
hand up apology. 

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Soccer's not a contact sport. 
Yep. 

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If you missed If you missed last
week's episode. 

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No one agreed. 
With no one agreed, I have been 

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inundated with people, my wife 
as well. 

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Not just from people messaging 
me but my wife saying soccer is 

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not a contact. 
Sport. 

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Did anyone give you that? 
Basketball is more of a contact 

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sport. 
No, I didn't get any of that 

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but. 
I, I'm, I'm intrigued at the 

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moment, I'm getting absolutely 
spammed on the algorithm with 

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the Caitlin, Caitlin, Caitlin 
Clark, Sophie Cunningham. 

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Yep, Yep. 
Thank you for the last. 

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No, no, no. 
Just see across everything, but 

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that's an amazing story going on
here at the moment yeah and just

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the whole advertising behind it,
Nike and Gatorade and everyone, 

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yeah. 
Driving driving, big business 

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and realistically 2 athletes 
just taking over the league. 

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It's exciting it the growth of 
women's basketball is incredible

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in America. 
I don't have all the data on it,

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but anecdotally and watching on 
socials, it's very cool. 

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It's very cool. 
It's very cool storylines being 

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built over there. 
Yeah, let's, let's get to 

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running. 
Lee, what have you been like? 

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What have? 
You been asking, we're kicking 

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off. 
We normally talk about our 

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running weeks a bit later in the
pop, but I want to start today 

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by saying I love running. 
I just, I had a moment. 

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So I'm back now. 
I'm being very responsible, very

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mature, very sensible about my 
running approach at the moment. 

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Good to hear. 
And I'm about to blow that out 

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the water in a couple of days 
time, but we'll get to that. 

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I'm the old 10% build time and 
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week. 
I'm back up over 50 KSA week at 

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the moment. 
Nice. 

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And I had a moment last night. 
I was going for an easy, it went

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for about 16 1/2 KS just 
cruising for me, which is a sort

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of about 515 pace. 
And suddenly I just had that 

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realisation as I was rolling 
along going this was great, this

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feels great. 
I had that moment where because 

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leading up to that run, some of 
the runs, I was back down in 

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Adelaide and it was cold. 
Or you know how the other week I

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said I'm not an early morning 
runner anymore. 

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I've also realised I'm not a 
cold weather runner. 

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Well, I've become a real soft 
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You've become a gold coaster. 
I have become one of the softest

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fair weather runners you've ever
come across. 

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Now, now I can only run in, you 
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temperatures in the afternoon. 
That's the only time I can run. 

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You're a queen. 
We'll just call you a QLD. 

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I'm a Queensland runner now, but
I was, I'd been for some runs in

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Adelaide and I actually thought 
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I actually thought I'd got a 
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because it was really sore. 
And so I, I was going for some 

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runs in Adelaide and it was cold
and my hamstring felt tight and 

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I was only, I was going slow so 
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damage to it. 
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running around the coast because
we got back and the hamstring 

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soreness had gone away. 
So it wasn't a tear, it was just

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a bit of a strain and I was just
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back to where I was pre Kanani. 
Yeah, I'm back to where I was at

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the start of the year where my 
legs feel strong. 

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I've been doing the strength 
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the slow kilometres are paying 
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running well again. 
When you're saying I'm going out

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for an easy 16 Ki mean 16 K. 
It's not nothing, Yeah. 

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You're running. 
You're running. 

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I'm, I'm back running and it was
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feeling. 
So I want to say to anybody 

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who's out there listening to 
this, if you are battling, if 

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the running doesn't feel good 
right now, that feeling again, I

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think I've done this before, but
that feeling is just around the 

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corner. 
If you're patient, if you do 

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what you need to, that feeling 
running, the endorphin release 

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and there's no other exercise 
like it that that great runners 

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high is just around the corner 
for everybody. 

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And more and more people are 
finding that out. 

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I was actually, I'll leave that 
in a minute. 

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I was down in Sydney at a rebel 
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I was talking to a young fella. 
This weekend, what is it? 

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It is. 
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So as we're talking Saturday, it
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listening in on the the usual 
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But I was talking to a few of 
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a lot of them when you first 
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surf for the first time, first 
run and that that was their 

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comment. 
Three different people. 

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That was the comment of I never 
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But I've started running. 
I've been coming to the club. 

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I never felt running in it, but 
I'll get into that in a SEC. 

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I want to go back to you talked 
a little bit about a niggle, 

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right? 
Yeah. 

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I have had some complaints. 
Lame to be honest. 

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OK, not about just you, about me
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Here that we are. 
We're injured a lot, yeah. 

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I mean, the evidence is there. 
I'm not. 

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We can't. 
We can't argue. 

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So the, the the challenge has 
been put to us. 

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Sure. 
Just, you know, it's it's great.

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Everyone feels included. 
Sure, when we're injured. 

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Yeah, because everyone gets 
injured. 

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But it's time to just forget 
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We've got to get back to 
running. 

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Oh, yeah, Yeah, we've got to get
back to running. 

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No injuries, nothing good. 
We're going to be doing nothing 

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silly. 
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I'm about to I don't know if 
it's silly. 

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OK look, and that feedback is 
totally fair. 

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I I would say that we're both 
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I think we're both back running 
now you might not be back to the

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level you were at the start of 
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engine feels strong again. 
My legs feel strong again. 

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Yeah, just like awareness in the
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But didn't stop me. 
It it wasn't a red light injury.

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It was an injury that actually 
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about when I was in Adelaide, I 
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that I should just be resting 
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and staying, you know, not not 
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Yeah. 
And I'm I feel great. 

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Not not just knowing when it is 
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but it's just normal but normal 
day to day wear and tear. 

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We are, we are runners here and 
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The longer if if you're gonna 
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running. 
So it is whoever is, is is. 

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No, no. 
But we've been, we have been, 

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yeah, we've been consistently 
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It's 20. 25 has been the year of
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And that's changing now. 
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run when you're in Adelaide? 
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runs, 3, two or three runs. 
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I was running around the the 
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I had a little bit of the UNI 
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anybody that follows Jess 
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in the marathon, or Jess Stenson
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You'll see Jess put up a lot of 
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around the UNI loop I saw. 
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a loop. 
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look like just a loop of the 
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So yeah, for the outside of the 
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For those that don't know 
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great city. 
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really easy for idiots like me 
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But it's surrounded by 
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So you've got N SE and W 
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the city and within that is 
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So you can do a really simple, 
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run around the city of Adelaide.
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I do have one complaint about my
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Robbed by Strava. 
Absolutely robbed by Strava. 

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So I'm trying to build a little 
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I've told you, despite not 
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still have. 
I still would love to break at 

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40 for 10K. 
We've got that goal here. 

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So I'm trying to build in the 
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yesterday. 
You know, A16K run at about 

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5:10, 5-10 slower building that 
engine as well as these interval

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runs. 
Where I'm at the moment, I'm 

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running sort of 9/4 hundreds, 
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around 3:40, recovering in 
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those runs to rediscover that 
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But then I did a run in Adelaide
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little bit of a tempo run. 
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slowly and building some more 
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kilometres. 
Strava robbed me like I was 

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rolling along and. 
Robbed me? 

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How did I rob you? 
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how he didn't really need his 
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He could always run to feel, 
yes, I was running and I was 

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feeling like I'm like, this 
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But for whatever reason, the GPS
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connecting. 
It was actually not Strava's 

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fault. 
It was Garmin's fault, wasn't 

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connecting to the watch. 
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on my watch and it's telling me 
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And I'm again now as I've done 
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to know what I'm running. 
And I was thinking this is not 

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514 pace. 
And I pushed on and I ran about 

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4-5 KS and eventually the watch 
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like, well, I've just put in 
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pace. 
So you reckon it dropped out it 

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you were on the GPS? 
It dropped out in the run and 

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came? 
I've never seen that. 

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Never heard it. 
I'll show you my activity. 

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I'll bring this up and I'll show
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This is in Adelaide and and 
we'll try and get some of this 

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up on the camera, but basically 
you can see there there's a, a 

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straight line on my Strava. 
Yeah, I know. 

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OK, I'll lie. 
I have seen this happen in the 

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forest. 
That was not a straight were. 

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You running with your phone or 
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The watch I was running with my 
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Where? 
Where did you get that one? 

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So did this come from the watch 
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This. 
Has come from my watch OK, but 

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yeah so it robbed me of. 
I I I take that back, I have 

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seen it happen in the forest a 
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And in a world where if it 
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doesn't count, I feel robbed. 
I feel like I've been robbed. 

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You've gone quicker, you've 
straight lined it. 

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I'll just take it. 
Nobody. 

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Maybe someone else would just 
take it. 

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I ran further, I ran further, 
faster and it's giving me that 

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straight line anyway. 
You know, you know how much I 

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love talking about GPS and 
things dropping out of Starlink.

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Oh yes, you know, can get, you 
know when you really need to get

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online and get in line even did.
I talk about when I saw Starlink

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go through the sky. 
No, a Starlink satellite. 

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Have you ever seen a Starlink 
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Elon Musk Starlink go through 
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I've. 
Seen a satellite? 

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I don't know and I I haven't, I 
haven't got good enough eyes to 

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work out which one it is. 
Have I never told you this 

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story? 
No, I mean I know how quick a 

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satellite rolls across to the 
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Very quick, very quick satellite
story for you before we get back

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to GPSI was sitting down at my 
friend's house in Cabarita, this

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is months ago now, and sitting 
out the back and I didn't have 

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great eyesight either. 
And I said to my wife and my 

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mate, I'm like, I don't have 
great eyesight guys, but what is

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that? 
And I put it in the sky. 

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And the best way I can describe 
it is it looked like Santa and 

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his reindeers. 
It was a, a, like it looked like

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Santa had all the reindeers lit 
up because flying through the 

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sky was this straight line of 
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Like if you imagine a 
constellation of a straight line

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of 6 or 7 white lights all just 
flying across the sky and we had

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no idea what it was. 
I'd never seen anything like it 

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before. 
My friend whose house for out 

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said, oh, it must be birds. 
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illuminated in the night sky? 
And I went on the radio show the

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next day to talk about it and. 
All these people are called in. 

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It's Starling. 
It's Elon Musk Starling. 

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That's what it looks like in the
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When they come across, I mean, 
I've seen plenty of satellites 

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like fly across the sky. 
I can't I've ever seen the 

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Starlink ones, but with 
Starlink, I went out to try. 

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I got a like a mini Starlink and
I went out to try it on just 

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like a battery pack the other 
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the car or like a cigarette 
lighter. 

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I thought, I wonder if I can 
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Went to try it. 
Starlink was down. 

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Oh, so that was the first time 
I'd seen that. 

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And then they got me thinking 
the next step. 

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I thought, well, hang on, you're
starting to read about the 

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whole, you know, militaries are 
using Starling to, you know, do 

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certain things. 
Different countries are relying 

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on it. 
You know, I effectively with the

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speeds we get out West or even 
driving in the car with it up in

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the sunroof, you can drive along
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pinging like, you know, 200 to 
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Ridiculous. 
But what happens the day that'll

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they just shut it off? 
We're rooted. 

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Are they? 
Are they going to turn it off? 

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Well, they're not going to. 
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the day that technology, you 
know, they decide something 

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happens, they get hacked, or in 
this case the other morning, it 

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was just a software glitch. 
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hours. 
Now, if everyone's relying just 

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on that, it is going to become a
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What was that? 
What was that? 

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I think it was last year. 
What was that thing that shut 

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down every? 
It was the blue screen of death.

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Remember that? 
Do you remember? 

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I don't remember that it was the
bank. 

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Accounts all the time. 
What was the? 

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It's going to annoy me. 
It was called It's kind. 

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Of like when we've all got 
different phones, but it was 

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when was it? 
Optus had the big shutdown last 

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year. 
Yeah, I, I the reason I bring it

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up, Crowdstrike was the name of 
the company. 

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So this was the blue screen of 
death. 

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Some people might remember it 
happened last year. 

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We couldn't do the radio show. 
I was, it was literally, it 

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happened just before I was meant
to start the afternoon radio 

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show and all the monitors just 
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And to your point, the idea that
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technology controls everything 
and if something goes wrong, 

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it's massive. 
So yeah, anyway, GPS. 

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GPS back to. 
GPS, let's stay friendly with 

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him. 
So running wise, a good week. 

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I feel great. 
I'm I'm excited. 

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I am about to do a time of 
recording. 

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I'm two days out from doing not 
something silly because I'm 

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going to be measured about it. 
But I mentioned it last week on 

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the pod. 
David Rhodes, friend of the 

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podcast, who is training for 
Cosy 100. 100 kilometre at the 

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end of the year, he's not doing 
the mile. 

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He's not doing the mile, he's 
doing the 100 kilometre race at 

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Cosy. 
I think, and I might get these 

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details wrong, but the effect is
the same. 

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He competed in the Cosy Oskar 
last year, the 100K race and 

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could not finish at 97 KS. 
He was 3 kilometres from the 

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finish and had to pull. 
Out what happened, he was. 

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Called just the body shut down. 
He could not complete that. 

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Now that's. 
Mental, right? 

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That's mental first. 
That is just that is a kick that

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to to get through 97 kilometres 
of 100 kilometre race and be 

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unable to finish. 
So he's going back for 

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redemption this year. 
Actually. 

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I'd love if people are out 
there, if anyones got a 

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redemption story, whether you 
didn't hit a time we didn't 

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finish or something. 
I'd love to hear about your 

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running redemptions if you've 
got something coming up that 

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you're targeting or tackling 
because they're those are cool 

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stories. 
So I am going out with Rosie for

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a run in two days time from now 
when we're recording. 

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The trail run. 
And this is the 42 K trail run. 

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This is the run down in northern
NSW, Yeah, Yep. 

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So I'm, I'm really looking 
forward to it. 

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I'm excited. 
As I said, my body feels good. 

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I feel really strong. 
I'm gonna take it easy between 

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now and then to make sure the 
legs are fresh. 

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But you're just going out. 
You're well, you're slow. 

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It's. 
Not like we're going out to 

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break the. 
Rest talk about I reckon you 

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gotta you position it as we're 
going off on a bit of a running 

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adventure for the day. 
Exactly. 

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We're not going on a long run. 
No, it's not a, it's not a long 

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run. 
It's not even a run. 

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It's an adventure. 
I it's because. 

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If. 
Because if you go and run it, 

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that's when the problems occur. 
No. 

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So this is about a day out. 
Yeah, we're going to head off I.

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Just want to. 
I just want to make sure you 

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don't do anything silly. 
No, no, no, we are, we are going

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off at sparrows. 
I am in in my mind and I haven't

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spoken with Rosie about this, 
but in my mind this is going to 

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be, I don't know how long it's 
going to take necessarily, but 

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it's going to be an adventure. 
It's if anybody follows Courtney

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on is social. 
So those sort of off Bush beaten

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path things that you film, 
that's what I'm envisaging this 

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travel. 
Yeah. 

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And the good, the good thing is,
you know, if you see a waterfall

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or, you know, you can get up 
some rocks or whatever, that's 

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where you take your time and go 
up. 

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You just got to make sure you've
got enough food. 

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Yeah, that's that's a big one, 
food. 

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And I'm going to pack it out. 
Beer normally helps. 

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I literally, I kid you not. 
I kid you not. 

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He's just messaged me. 
Rhodes, he's just messaged me. 

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Hey, mate, I'm very excited. 
Just getting all my nutrition 

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sorted for the adventure. 
So there you go. 

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He's viewing it as an adventure,
which is great. 

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We're going to be taking that 
adventure mentality to it. 

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I'm going to be very envious 
then because I can't make it 

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Wednesday. 
Hey question, I know people are 

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going to. 
What was choosing to wear? 

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Yeah, good question. 
It's a one or two pairs of 

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Salomons. 
I'm wondering whether I wear 

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those, the ultra guides with the
hail damage base that we've 

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talked about before, which is 
super cushiony, don't have a 

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great foot feel in them, but 
really protective of your feet 

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and very comfortable, or whether
I wear the ones that I raised 

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Kunani in, which is that more 
hyper for the Genesis Genesis. 

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What do you think? 
If it was me, I'd be go, I'd 

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jump in the genesis. 
But that's just where I am at 

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the moment. 
But I. 

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Feel like that's more of a 
racing shoe? 

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It is a racing shoe. 
Like if you're just out for the 

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day, yeah, jogging and going 
slow, you know what the big 

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cushioning is probably going to 
be a. 

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Nice. 
That's probably what I'm feel 

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Good. 
That's what I'm going to go for 

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I think. 
I reckon I'm going to go with 

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comfort over performance. 
Comfort over performance, 

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talking about people riding in. 
We didn't get a very good 

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reaction. 
Hey, calling out the crowd a 

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little bit here last week when 
we asked what's everyone's 

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favourite runs. 
Yeah, can't talk about it. 

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Didn't get a lot of feedback on 
it. 

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OK, that's OK. 
But we did get some feedback and

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there's a few. 
I'm not calling, not calling 

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everyone out, but that's why I 
asked where you're running in 

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Adelaide because we did get, now
this is Stanton 199, we just 

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say. 
Stanton, 199. 998 When you're in

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Adelaide, head to the trails in 
my. 

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Law, my law. 
I know my law. 

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I've never run the trails up in 
my law. 

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But what did they? 
What did Stanton have to say 

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about the? 
Well, that's what she just said.

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Tell Liam to go up to. 
So this is, I think I've 

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actually run, well, not run, but
I think I actually went up this 

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way. 
There's a place called the 

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Heissen Trail, which is where 
anybody who's listening to this,

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who went to high school in 
Adelaide might have done a 

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school camp out there because 
it's one of those classic 

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camping. 
You know, when the at high 

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school, you get taken out on the
camp where you go, we're going 

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to camp for 2-3 nights and then 
you walk a bit during the day. 

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This is the, the Heissen Trail 
is, is sort of famous for that. 

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So yeah, there's a heap of heap 
of National Park out there to 

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run around the. 
Heysen Trail, it finishes at now

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it's going to be Saint Mary's 
Peak, but what's the what's the 

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area? 
I'm going to have to go and look

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it up and now you'll know as 
soon as it's lost. 

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No, no, this is like where the 
Heysen ends up going is. 

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Cape Jarvis. 
Flinders Rangers. 

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Flinders Oh, is that where it 
ends The other way I'm. 

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Pretty sure right? 
And Saint Mary's Peak. 

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I'll tell you if someone asked 
me, my, my best, my best feeling

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ever running. 
Yeah. 

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When was it? 
I can pinpoint it, pinpoint it 

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to the 200 metres. 
Wow. 

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And funny enough, you mentioned 
the Heisen Trail. 

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It wasn't on the Heisen Trail, 
but it was in the Flinders 

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Ranges. 
I went up to Mount Saint Mary's 

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Peak and there's a trail that 
came back down from Saint Mary's

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Peak to the, I don't know, the 
homestead or whatever's at the 

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bottom of Flinders Ranges. 
And it was just this bitter 

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trail that the, the sun was kind
of just rising at the right 

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time. 
It was enough of a wide enough 

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running trail. 
It was good under foot. 

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And it was just one of those 
where you're kind of like 

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agility wise, you're kind of 
like jumping off 1 rock down to 

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the next. 
But it was it just flow. 

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It was like a mountain bike. 
It was like riding a mountain 

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bike running. 
And I still to this day remember

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running it going this is this is
running. 

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That is still the best 200 
metres of my life running. 

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Now here's the I actually had a 
GoPro on at the time. 

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And this is this is going back a
while ago, before it was like 

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automatic stabilisation. 
And it was that morning I didn't

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have the stabilisation on. 
So all I've got is just a rummy 

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jump, which is probably great. 
You know what? 

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Because, you know, I remember it
in my head. 

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I was guess I remember it, 
forget the footage, I remember 

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it. 
But yeah, Flinders Rangers 

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running around there is. 
Magic I love that you have been 

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able to tell us a story about 
your favourite 200 metres of. 

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100 metres. 
It's a great climb, I think. 

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You know the sad thing, I've got
a feeling they've closed the 

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climb. 
OK. 

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Saint Mary's Peak. 
The that idea of now, as you 

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telling that story, I'm trying 
to trying to identify my best 

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ever or favoured or most 
memorable 200 metres of running 

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200 metres or just but even 
you're. 

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Just segment you're just best 
best. 

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Because if I, if I think about 
it, UTA, there was some, the UTA

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50s I've done, there's been some
really nice special moments. 

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The the thing that actually the 
moment memorable moments of 

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those races I can remember is 
the descent, which is 8 KS of 

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brutal downhill. 
I can just remember the speed 

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00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,240
that you were going down there 
and then I remember the horrible

448
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:17,200
feeling of going up the 
finishing the furthest steps at 

449
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,880
the end, but. 
There's nothing good about 

450
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,520
Kunani. 
That's not. 

451
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:22,520
You're not going to. 
That's my best. 

452
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:23,400
Ever. 
No, no, no, no. 

453
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:24,560
There's. 
Nothing in I'm going to say 

454
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,280
this, there's nothing in UTA 
where I'd go. 

455
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:31,960
That's my best ever 100 metres. 
Running one side got up that 

456
00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:35,400
sort of rock hopping section at 
Kanani earlier this year and 

457
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,200
then running before the stairs 
to the final summit. 

458
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:40,800
Yeah. 
So you're under the organ pipes.

459
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,280
Under the organ pipes that. 
Is that's a very nice. 

460
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,280
That was an amazing, I can 
remember the feeling of running 

461
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,040
along there too. 
The other one that actually 

462
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:53,120
jumps to mind. 
Funnily enough I think it might 

463
00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:55,960
have been the first time I ever 
ran in carbon plate shoes. 

464
00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:02,680
I reckon I had a pair of ASICS. 
What are ASICS carbon plates 

465
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,040
called? 
The one of meta speeds. 

466
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:05,680
Meta speeds. 
I reckon I had a pair of the 

467
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,160
first ever pair of ASICS meta 
speeds I owned. 

468
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:14,600
I was competing in a ASICS, had 
that Ecaden Relay, National 

469
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,520
International thing. 
I was running with a bunch of 

470
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,120
the Sydney crew. 
I was still living in Sydney and

471
00:22:20,120 --> 00:22:24,760
I had to go out and punch out my
section of the Ecaden, which was

472
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,080
a 5K section and I had these 
ASICS meta speeds. 

473
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,560
I'd never run in them before and
I wanted to obviously post a 

474
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,440
fast time. 
And so I went and set myself up 

475
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,240
at the probably the most 
elevated section on the loop of 

476
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:42,760
Centennial Park, and I ran. 
It gives you a little gradual 

477
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,440
downhill down to the Randwick 
Horse Gates. 

478
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,520
And so I ran down there and then
I ran out and I ran back up 

479
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:55,120
Anzac Parade and then ran back 
into the park and then kind of 

480
00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:56,880
found another little downhill 
section again. 

481
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,720
So I made it favourable for 
myself. 

482
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,080
The reason it's memorable is 
because I still remember running

483
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:09,960
and feeling fast. 
Yeah, and that's the only time 

484
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,640
I've ever run under 19 minutes 
for a 5K run. 

485
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:20,480
I ran an 1845, which is my PB, 
but I still recall the sensation

486
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:26,200
of and I don't know how much of 
it was the the shoes, how much 

487
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,400
of it was the training I was 
going at the moment, but I still

488
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:29,760
remember that's inside. 
That's the IT. 

489
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:30,440
All. 
Faster. 

490
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,760
It's just I've ever felt running
the. 

491
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,960
Best you've felt. 
Fastest I've ever felt running. 

492
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,240
I'll ask it now because I'll 
forget. 

493
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,600
So I was running around 
Centennial Park on last weekend.

494
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,560
Is there an etiquette of which 
way you need to run? 

495
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:48,600
Around there, isn't it? 
Is it? 

496
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,720
So when you're on the path 
running, because this is on a 

497
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,160
Sunday morning and it was 
Geekers, Yeah. 

498
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,800
Is there like a is it? 
Is it kind of like unsaid you 

499
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,480
just run anti clockwise around 
there? 

500
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:01,520
Which way did you? 
Run. 

501
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,000
Oh, sorry, Clockwise, Clockwise.
Did you run clockwise? 

502
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,720
I ran clockwise. 
And you were running on the 

503
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:11,000
inside white fence or the path 
the path you've made life hard 

504
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,720
for yourself there as in the the
the concrete path it. 

505
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,840
Was like, yeah, the main 
concrete. 

506
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,040
Yeah, but it's tough. 
No, but most people were going 

507
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,840
there because most people were 
going there. 

508
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,920
Because on a Sunday, not only do
you have the runners, you've 

509
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,320
also got the prams and you've 
also got the kids on bikes that 

510
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,880
can't ride on the road. 
That is a tough run. 

511
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,480
It was on the path. 
It was, it was mainly runners 

512
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,280
what I would do. 
Is jump inside of the white 

513
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,200
fence and run the the the dirt, 
the dirt, yeah, that that I find

514
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,080
is a better run I. 
Is it, is it, Is it like if you 

515
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,840
go there, like if anyone's 
listening and you're just not a 

516
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,080
Sydney side or if you happen to 
rock up to Centennial Park, is 

517
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,040
it like you should probably 
given you should run clockwise? 

518
00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:55,520
My attitude is that you run 
clockwise everywhere. 

519
00:24:55,960 --> 00:25:00,320
You don't around a track. 
Oh my gosh, you don't? 

520
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,160
Why don't they run clockwise? 
So as a runner, that was a 

521
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,280
question I asked was this is 
normal? 

522
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:08,480
Like do what? 
Did they say what? 

523
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,120
Did everyone say no? 
One really kind of gave me a 

524
00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:13,560
straight answer, but it seemed 
to be most people were running 

525
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,080
that way except the odd one who 
was causing chaos coming at us. 

526
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,280
I for me, for the years I lived 
in Sydney and ran in Sydney and 

527
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,320
ran Centennial. 
Oh, it's a right hand turn. 

528
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:24,960
Yeah, I'm doing right hand 
turns. 

529
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:25,320
OK. 
Yeah, well. 

530
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:29,400
I'll come back to that, but that
is Saint Mary's place. 

531
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:30,920
Oh, beautiful. 
Flinders Ranges. 

532
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,120
Yep, Yep. 
So coming down there is bloody 

533
00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:36,800
amazing. 
But I also remember when you 

534
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,840
were just touching on those 
organ pipes up the top of 

535
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,720
Kanani. 
Yeah, that's another section. 

536
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,160
And I ran up there one day with 
a group from Salomon and we're 

537
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,160
all just running along. 
There was more of a filming 

538
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,640
training run. 
Yeah, I had no idea it was 

539
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,560
snowing at the top of the time. 
So we went under the organ pipes

540
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,040
and started getting a little bit
of like ice on the path turned 

541
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,280
to go up that steep, the steep 
sex session, which was just iced

542
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,560
up the whole way. 
So it was a really interesting 

543
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:04,480
day. 
So great part. 

544
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,360
Of we should give a shout out to
Speaking of snow and ice, shout 

545
00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:11,440
out to all right, but a member 
of member of the in the 

546
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,040
beginning. 
Board podcast. 

547
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,160
Yes, Mr Kelso and Congrats. 
He's also just had a little 

548
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:17,600
girl. 
Oh wow. 

549
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:18,600
Yeah. 
Was that his first? 

550
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:23,280
Don't know, but he well, first, 
second, third, whatever the the 

551
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,400
new addition is. 
Congratulations Ryan. 

552
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,000
But what we saw? 
He sent me is besides besides 

553
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,480
seeing all the pics of the new 
arrival is Armadale copped snow,

554
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:40,520
a lot of snow. 
Oh, even even got onto Higgins 

555
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,040
storm chasers. 
What? 

556
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:43,880
That's a. 
That's a dump. 

557
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,240
That's a dumping. 
It's yeah. 

558
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,400
So New England. 
I'd, I'd been warned or been 

559
00:26:50,200 --> 00:27:02,240
heard through my brother in 
Oh. 

560
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,320
Really. 
Thanks, Andrew telling us. 

561
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,320
There we go. 
Top of Mount Barney so it even 

562
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,240
snowed in QLD. 
It snowed in Queensland. 

563
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:11,600
Love to hear it. 
What's? 

564
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,600
Barney, The thing is about one 
1300 metres. 

565
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,920
Just about. 
But Armadale, yeah, like Ryan 

566
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,760
that was. 
And the boys are out in their 

567
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,960
dickies having a run in the 
snow. 

568
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,480
So great to see. 
Hey, last week on the pod I 

569
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:35,040
wanted to bring this up because 
we share half baked ideas and 

570
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,200
quite often we we throw them out
into the ether. 

571
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,160
But if someone's going to take 
them. 

572
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,520
Someone stole them. 
Just a little shout out. 

573
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,160
That's all I ask. 
Just a little shout out just to 

574
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,680
say inspired as inspired. 
In fact, maybe that's what we 

575
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,160
need. 
We just need a It's just as 

576
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,200
inspired by In the Beginning 
podcast, OK. 

577
00:27:56,360 --> 00:28:00,280
I'm looking, I'm looking forward
to hearing this, Liam, if we 

578
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,520
could have trademarked it. 
LSKD. 

579
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:08,400
Right. 
LSKD Jason Daniels, You know 

580
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,040
what you've done. 
You've heard last week's podcast

581
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,400
and in the space of five days 
you've come up with the concept 

582
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,640
and with all the power and 
resources that you have, you've 

583
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,600
put together an event blatantly 
stolen from last week's podcast,

584
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,560
It's called Chase the Five. 
Now, I don't actually think that

585
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,600
they've stolen this podcast 
because I'm sure that they've 

586
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,080
had this in the works for a lot 
longer. 

587
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,520
I might think we were talking 
about it stolen from them. 

588
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:34,520
What was it? 
I have no idea. 

589
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,440
This is last week you and I 
talked about the idea of these 

590
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,480
events and the way they can work
and you were saying that it's 

591
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,200
kind of a start finish line type
concept, whereas I was much more

592
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:51,160
leaning into the idea of an 
arena type, the DJs events. 

593
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,920
So LSKD running for those that 
don't, that is the the offshoot 

594
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,240
of LSKD, the athletic wear 
brand. 

595
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,720
They've got a dedicated running 
department which I really like 

596
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,680
and I I think they do some 
really cool stuff. 

597
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,160
A post came out a couple of days
ago from LSD running. 

598
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,920
Something big is coming to 
Brisbane. 

599
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,640
This is Chase, the 5A track 
event built for crews, 

600
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,400
competitors and anyone chasing 
that fast 5K feeling. 

601
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,720
So it's very similar to AG one 
put on puts on a similar event 

602
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,440
in Sydney called Night of the 
PBS. 

603
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,960
But LSKD running chase, the five
run solo run with your crew. 

604
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,320
Just bring the energy, good 
vibes, loud support and a little

605
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,480
pressure on the clock. 
Every runner scores an exclusive

606
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,120
medal with the exclusive gear, 
plenty of prizes up for grabs. 

607
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:42,440
So that's an event that's coming
to Brisbane at a track arena, 

608
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,120
so. 
So will you explain to me the 

609
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,400
goal is you go along and run 
your best 5? 

610
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:51,720
Yep, a 5K run OK. 
Not your idea, it was, well it 

611
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,960
was last week, but hang on. 
This has been ripped off and I 

612
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,080
don't know if they ripped it off
from someone else, but Gold 

613
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,280
Coast Runco. 
So they did this at Runaway Bay 

614
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,720
last, I think they've done it 
for two years now in a row. 

615
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,120
Come along. 
They had five paste races to run

616
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,600
your PB at over 5K. 
But you? 

617
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,920
But what's the rule, Courtney? 
It's all about marketing. 

618
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,320
Who's marketing it the best What
does Gold Coast runco call their

619
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,080
night? 
What does Gold Coast Runco call 

620
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,840
when they have their event? 
Because this is what I'm. 

621
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:27,560
This is it comes back to chase 
the five AG one calls their 

622
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:32,240
event nine of the PBS, which. 
I don't remember any. 

623
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,920
I mean, there's. 
Nine of the PBS I I kind of like

624
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,880
because it's it's in the name. 
It's what are they? 

625
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,600
It's AG19 of the PBS. 
So they've, oh, they've got 

626
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,320
another one coming up too. 
They're doing another one in 

627
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,360
September in Sydney. 
Who's that AG one? 

628
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,160
They're having their nine of the
PBS. 

629
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,680
For any Sydney runners who 
listen to this, it's Sylvania 

630
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,560
Waters Athletics Track in the 
Sutherland Shire, a flat and 

631
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,800
fast 5K track event for runners 
of all abilities. 

632
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:00,880
Whether you're chasing a 
personal best, looking for a fun

633
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,120
Friday night hit out, or just 
want to soak in the electric 

634
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,160
atmosphere, this event the is 
for you. 

635
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,520
So theirs starts at 5:30 PM and 
concludes by 845 S. 

636
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,520
It's three hours, there's six 
races, one's a relay. 

637
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,560
But there's it's all about 
energy and and excitement and 

638
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,040
enthusiasm. 
I just get the sense that this 

639
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,160
LS KD-1 that's happening up in 
Brisbane will be with the 

640
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,800
resources and the branding that 
that brand has and does. 

641
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,360
I think it'll be an exciting 
event for any SE Queensland 

642
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,880
based listens. 
I'm, I am so annoyed, I can't 

643
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,160
remember the name of this, but I
know because my brother and 

644
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,040
there's a whole group of people 
wanting to go and and run on the

645
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,960
track and do their PBS. 
Yeah. 

646
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,480
So it's literally like you could
you go in the race where if you 

647
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,640
want to run a 15 minute race, 
you'll have a PESA. 

648
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,000
And if you wanted to run a 20 
minute, yes, 5K, there's a PESA.

649
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,800
Yeah, so definitely calling it 
out. 

650
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,640
It's not. 
Well, we said this last week, 

651
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,640
there's no new idea. 
It's just everyone is going to 

652
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,880
say it's the same as that Illy 
song I've brought up before. 

653
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,680
Yeah, there's no ideas. 
There's no new. 

654
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,080
I'm just going to put a new spin
on it and say I was first to do 

655
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,440
it. 
Nothing new under the sun, it's 

656
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,920
all about branding and who can 
make theirs the most memorable. 

657
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,560
So. 
But look again. 

658
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:18,000
I think we are going to see more
and more of these types of as 

659
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:23,280
much as the marathon is booming.
Yeah, it's not a pivot, but it's

660
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,560
also it's just another Ave for 
people to explore. 

661
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,560
They're running with these 
shorter events which create that

662
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,600
party like atmosphere. 
Yeah, well, that's a, that's a 

663
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,440
good Segway because you talk 
about unless you hear about it 

664
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,000
or unless you see it, you don't 
know about it. 

665
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,880
It's like that old fable, you 
know, tree falls in the forest. 

666
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,280
Exactly. 
You hear it unless you're there.

667
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,760
Yeah. 
On the weekend here in 

668
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:50,600
Queensland there was the Sunny 
Coast Half which your best mate 

669
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,080
Andy. 
Funny, you best mate, Andy 

670
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,880
began. 
Broke the Australian record. 

671
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,040
I no, I think he brought, I saw 
this. 

672
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:57,760
I think he broke the course 
record. 

673
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,760
I don't actually think because I
saw his time and I saw and 

674
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,240
again, it's all about branding 
and how it's represented, right.

675
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:11,760
But he actually his time. 
I'm I'm trying to look it up 

676
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,400
here. 
So another, so another huge 

677
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,640
event happening on this. 
I mean, we had Gold Coast 

678
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,240
Marathon, we got Sydney coming 
up. 

679
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,960
There's this running, running, 
running, but what I want to 

680
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,080
bring attention to always bring 
attention to the small ones as 

681
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:27,800
well on the same weekend. 
Get this, this the Rainbow Bay 

682
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,880
had or Rainbow Beach, what do 
they call it, Rainbow Beach or 

683
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,360
Rainbow Bay. 
Rainbow Beach also had a trail 

684
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,240
marathon on, so you could go to 
the sunny Coast and run along 

685
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,960
the Esplanade on the road or you
go just a bit, you know another,

686
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:44,760
what is it? 
Probably by the time you drive 

687
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,920
around to Rainbow Beach, it's 
another 75 K up and it was along

688
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,200
the sand up through the big 
Carlos sand below. 

689
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,560
I think it's called Tough, Tough
marathon, right? 

690
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,080
Probably a bit of soft sand in 
there, finish along the beach, 

691
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:04,000
go around Double Island Point. 
Amazing spectacle, amazing run. 

692
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,400
Now that was on the same weekend
as the Sunny Coast Half and both

693
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:13,600
races full. 
Yeah, if that it doesn't tell 

694
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,719
you something about running at 
the moment, nothing will. 

695
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,800
Like both races chock a block 
and I can't believe they put 

696
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,199
like, I wonder what happened 
there. 

697
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:24,480
Why would you put two of a very 
similar race in a similar 

698
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:25,880
destination? 
When I say a similar race, 

699
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,199
obviously one's trail or 1 sand 
trail and one's road, but still.

700
00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:33,960
I mean 2 pretty major running 
events in that area for the year

701
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,639
and they whack them on one on 
each day. 

702
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,639
It's I'm just, I'm thinking in 
real time about whether it's a, 

703
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:47,199
a great move or a terrible move 
or whether it's both because I 

704
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:50,760
guess the fact that they were 
both sold out shows that or the 

705
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,360
popularities, the audience is 
there to serve both 

706
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:57,920
consecutively. 
What did we lose by them being 

707
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,280
on the same weekend? 
Maybe a bit of spotlight, maybe 

708
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,560
a bit of shine. 
What did we we gain? 

709
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,280
I don't know. 
But probably it's the reason 

710
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,880
they probably wanted that date I
would guess is from a conditions

711
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,240
perspective because in that area
particularly the heat would be a

712
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:14,960
factor and if they can find this
weekend to make it conducive 

713
00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:17,080
just to go back. 
Just to I'm just looking at the 

714
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,880
trail, I'm not sure whether it 
did sell out the Trail 1. 

715
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,640
Oh, OK, but just to go back to 
the Suncon Coast man and he's 

716
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:27,680
and he broke the course record. 
He didn't break because he broke

717
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,520
Brett Robinson, his old mate 
Brett Robinson's course record. 

718
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:36,560
So he ran a 1/02/13 which is 
slower than what he ran at Gold 

719
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,360
Coast for the half and it's much
slower than Andy. 

720
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:44,320
Yeah, Brett's half marathon 
Australian record, which I think

721
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,000
is under an hour so, but he is 
running really, really. 

722
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,400
Well off training camp up there 
in, up in. 

723
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:52,400
Where were they? 
Cairns. 

724
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,520
He's running super well I think.
Is he running Sydney? 

725
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,920
Full, you'd know as much as. 
Brett Robinson definitely is, 

726
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,000
but I'm not sure if if Andy's 
running the full Mara. 

727
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,560
But hey all I'll say to this and
talk about taking credit for the

728
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:13,320
5K concept. 
Ever since Andy and I met he's, 

729
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:15,560
he's running well. 
Do you reckon? 

730
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,760
He's running real well. 
Your interview was a bit of a 

731
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,760
good. 
One, I am like the the lucky 

732
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,160
Buddha whose belly you rub. 
You know, those tourist 

733
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,520
destinations for runners. 
So if you see me out on a run 

734
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,480
one day, come up and rub my 
belly and you'll probably run a 

735
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,880
PB. 
Hey, while we're talking about 

736
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:32,960
events, let's just keep on that 
long. 

737
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,360
So I did have a few like people 
are loving that we get to call 

738
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,600
out one, the local events, Yeah.
And there's two that popped up 

739
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,440
this week, one that really has 
me interested. 

740
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,600
The first one, though, and it 
was run on the weekend. 

741
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,680
So I'm sorry, we, we, we missed 
this one. 

742
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,360
But it there was rumble in the 
jungle, which is down near 

743
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,960
coughs. 
So trail race coughs Best of 

744
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:59,760
coughs trails 50K30K218 on the 
Gold Coast next to your house. 

745
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,520
Oh, the border Bolt border. 
Bolt was on the weekend. 

746
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,920
So this literally runs past my. 
Back fence, Yep, goes up into 

747
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,760
the along the border trail. 
So this is a race that goes 

748
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,920
well. 
It's the NSW, Queensland border 

749
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,760
as it sounds, and you just run 
it, but it's got a lot of verd 

750
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,920
in it. 
That's not an easy run. 

751
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:22,400
I as some I go up there and and 
to get into that actual section,

752
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,240
there's some really nasty stairs
section. 

753
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:26,840
It's not a. 
It's. 

754
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,400
Yeah, it's, I wouldn't say it's 
the most runnable of trail runs.

755
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,360
There's a lot of walking uphill.
There's a lot going on, but the 

756
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,360
one I'm really excited about and
you'll love the this one because

757
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,400
it's come from the crew Kinani. 
We love the crew, Kinani. 

758
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,520
They've teased, I'm just going 
to say teased because I don't 

759
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,720
know the full details here yet, 
but it's called the diverged sky

760
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:51,520
runs and they're going to go 
over to the West Coast of 

761
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,560
Tasmania. 
So the Wild Coast and it looks 

762
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,600
like rigid, it looks like 3. 
So they've got a brand new three

763
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,200
day sky and trail running 
festival for runners ready to 

764
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,360
step just outside of their 
comfort zone. 

765
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,800
They're going to the to the 
ridges to the climbing. 

766
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:11,160
This one's going to be hectic. 
And I straight away said count 

767
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,600
me in. 
This is count me in. 

768
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,240
So there's not a lot of detail. 
We'll we'll as it kind of comes 

769
00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:19,440
to a fruition, we'll tell you 
more I. 

770
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:26,000
I think this is this is very 
indicative of you and I as 

771
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:32,800
runners and what appeals to us. 
Yeah, because we, I think we 

772
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,680
have a lot of fun with the elite
average dynamic that exists 

773
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,320
between you and I. 
You are an elite runner who has 

774
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,240
been to Olympic Games. 
This is your job. 

775
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:44,240
And you are still an elite at 
endurance athlete. 

776
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:49,400
I am probably more 
representative of our audience, 

777
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:50,960
the running community at the 
moment. 

778
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:56,280
Someone who enjoys running, 
someone who does it for fun, but

779
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,960
who still likes to try and get 
the better set of myself. 

780
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,760
An event like LSKDS, Chase the 
Five or Not at the PB. 

781
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,520
That appeals to you. 
That sip to me sounds really 

782
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,440
fun. 
That sounds really. 

783
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:10,640
And Yep, I like. 
I loved Konani earlier this 

784
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,840
year, but my eyes don't quite 
light up as much as yours does. 

785
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,920
With you want to, you want to. 
I get the sense that you want to

786
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,080
get a good run for. 
You might end up with you 

787
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,880
getting. 
Lost, yes, yeah, yes. 

788
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:31,640
A good run, I'll be really a 
good run for me is at some point

789
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,400
in that run, there's enough 
adrenaline going that I'm like, 

790
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:43,560
oh shit, that one scared me 
getting to somewhere or some 

791
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,200
point. 
I even saw there was a downhill.

792
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,600
Jen Davies sent it to me. 
There was a downhill the Golden 

793
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,200
Trail series in Europe on the 
weekend. 

794
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,720
It was just like a mud pit going
down this hill and I was looked 

795
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:56,080
at it and I went, oh, that looks
so much fun. 

796
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,520
This is. 
This so that's that's just where

797
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,720
you know, I suppose we're at 
now. 

798
00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:04,000
It's like the adventure of 
you're going to find that out on

799
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,440
Wednesday. 
You'll end up somewhere. 

800
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,120
I'm going to make sure you guys,
if you see something and you 

801
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,120
think, wow, what's up that track
or what's up that Creek, you've 

802
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,960
got to go up the Creek. 
You gotta figure out what's up 

803
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,080
I'm. 
Very much just. 

804
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,120
Watch out for the stick. 
Just watch out for the sticking 

805
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:19,880
nettle. 
No down in that area. 

806
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,680
I'm very much like, well, let's 
go stick to the path. 

807
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,880
This is the trail. 
We're running the trail. 

808
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:30,760
Let's stay on the trail. 
I I love the idea of ignoring 

809
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,440
budget, ignoring logistics, 
ignoring everything else. 

810
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:39,480
I would love to create Courtney 
Atkinson's Oh shit runs, oh shit

811
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,640
runs oh shit the oh shit. 
Series. 

812
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,720
There's been a few oh shit runs.
What a cool, what an awesome 

813
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:47,680
video idea. 
But in the beginning, In the 

814
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,880
beginning, oh SH runs. 
Oh shit. 

815
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,160
I reckon I've got enough video 
just sitting there that we could

816
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,520
just do it anyway, yeah. 
Like. 

817
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,120
From his from back dating but 
yeah talk about this one up on 

818
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:02,800
the side like West Coast is wild
when we used to race the Mark 

819
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,240
Webber challenge so the 
adventure racing the five days 

820
00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:05,720
can we get. 
Him. 

821
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,240
What are you still makes with 
Mark? 

822
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,080
Oh, jeez, You. 
You can't call people out on the

823
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,000
podcast. 
Yes, we can. 

824
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,000
We've got people locked away. 
No. 

825
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,320
That's the point. 
No, see, I think you go about it

826
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,000
the other way around. 
You call them out on the podcast

827
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,200
and then you put the pressure 
on. 

828
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,480
No, no, no. 
One day, One day when, yeah, 

829
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,480
when we were down racing his 
challenge, there was always five

830
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,560
days. 
But the thing was, I was naive 

831
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:31,960
enough in adventure at that 
time. 

832
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,040
I never, we never really looked 
on the map where we were that 

833
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,720
day. 
You kind of just looked at the 

834
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:40,400
map, but at at no time did I 
ever think I'm in this part of 

835
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,480
Tasmania, like relative right. 
Like if you knew you were at 

836
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,280
like Launceston, I knew I was at
Launceston, but sometimes you'd 

837
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,120
you'd go 250K that day. 
No idea which direction you're 

838
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,240
just looking at the map going. 
I'm following the you know, the 

839
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:54,000
the map. 
I'm going north, I'm going South

840
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,600
or wherever I remember the West 
Coast. 

841
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:01,200
So it was it was the days it 
would well, one, it'll always 

842
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,160
rain. 
I don't think I'd been on the 

843
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,040
West Coast racing in the his 
race where it hadn't been 

844
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,440
raining. 
It's always going to be muddy 

845
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,400
and shitty and just tough and 
everything else. 

846
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,400
But the videos that came up with
this race, I'm like, yeah, OK, 

847
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,960
this one has got my interest. 
Yeah, look, I've just jumped on 

848
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,200
and I'm having a look at some of
the videos they're producing for

849
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,360
it. 
And I I agree, it does look 

850
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:22,160
pretty cool. 
Yeah. 

851
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,760
Hey, I'm going to quickly. 
I'll go through my running 

852
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,840
before, yes. 
We go because, well, because 

853
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,880
you're always injured, so we 
never get to be running. 

854
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,960
Well, I'm not injured, I'm 
moving. 

855
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,280
Well, when I say well I'm back. 
I rent 70K this week. 

856
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,160
Wow, yeah, I know that was a bit
of a surprise to me too. 

857
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,200
I didn't plan to to get through 
that much. 

858
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:45,120
But what it mean doing each day 
is just going out and pretty 

859
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,480
much just running to feel going 
out in the mornings. 

860
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,200
I've done a lot of running up at
the spit where the reason I run,

861
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,520
and this is probably if anyone's
listening and they're coming 

862
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,600
back from, you know, either 
coming back from injury or 

863
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,000
they're just not sure how 
they're feeling. 

864
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,760
I always think it's a great idea
to park your car in an area that

865
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,480
then you can, you can do, you 
don't have to run loops close to

866
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,600
the car, but you can always get 
back to the car pretty quick. 

867
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,080
So if you think about it like an
umbrella. 

868
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,960
Yep. 
So you park in the on this stick

869
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,160
of the umbrella and you can run 
loops around. 

870
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,920
Yeah. 
But if something happened and 

871
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,400
you're like, oh, that doesn't 
feel great. 

872
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:22,880
I can walk back. 
OK. 

873
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:23,880
Or jog back. 
OK. 

874
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:25,520
So that's what I've been doing 
up there. 

875
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,680
Plus, it's a beautiful place to 
go for a run anyway. 

876
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,800
I've just started ticking over 
to an hour, an hour, an hour. 

877
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,040
And just before I knew it, I'm 
like, oh, we're moving along OK 

878
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,640
now. 
So I've gone through that 

879
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,200
process and I think I've got 
enough KS under the legs and 

880
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,400
enough kind of lifting at the 
same time. 

881
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,040
I've got the strength back and 
you know, things starting to 

882
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,480
feel. 
Great going. 

883
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:47,560
What are you running in at the 
moment? 

884
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,480
What shoes are you running in 
when you're doing those hours? 

885
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:54,200
Well, this is the news, Liam. 
I'm we are going to be able to 

886
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,240
talk about a range of shoes on 
this podcast. 

887
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,000
I'm I'm have made a a move. 
I'm going to still be racing 

888
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,760
obviously when it comes to trail
at the moment, you know, Solomon

889
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:07,520
is still my go to, but I think 
this is going to add a lot of 

890
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,880
value to our listeners. 
I'm going to be able to start 

891
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,960
talking about more of the road 
shoes I'm running in and get to 

892
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,520
trial more and more shoes 
because it's something that's 

893
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,080
interested me for a while and 
with all the different shoes 

894
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:23,160
coming on. 
So what I have had in the garage

895
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,240
for the last few weeks is a pair
of the new Vomeros. 

896
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:31,760
Oh, nice to run and I. 
So you've been running in them? 

897
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:36,760
I reckon I've run, probably, 
yeah, yes, I've run. 

898
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,640
OK, So when I'm saying I've run 
in them I've reckon I've done 

899
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,120
and I'd have to look at Strava 
but I reckon I've knocked out 

900
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:47,480
probably a good 200K. 
OK, so here, OK, so we got Rd 

901
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,840
shoe free agent Courtney. 
Courtney Atkinson's feet are 

902
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,000
officially free agents when it 
comes to road running. 

903
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,800
How do you how are you going to 
talk to people about these shoes

904
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,760
then? 
Because the when you get handed 

905
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,680
a pair of shoes, you can't 
review them. 

906
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,680
You actually need to spend time 
in them. 100. 

907
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,840
Percent is 200 K sufficient for 
you to give a review now on the 

908
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,960
Nike of America? 
I think 200 K is, I mean, you 

909
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,640
can't talk about, you know, how 
much longevity they're going to 

910
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,720
have in them, but 200K is 
definitely enough. 

911
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:14,680
So what do you want to say about
the? 

912
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,120
Night running merits. 
Love them. 

913
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:23,520
That's it, No. 
Courtney, you've just said 

914
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,560
you've just dropped this 
bombshell on us. 

915
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,880
And for the people that love a 
shoe chat, you've just told us 

916
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,400
how great this news is going to 
be, how this new development 

917
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,800
means you're going to be able to
talk about more shoes for the 

918
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,320
order of them. 
And that's the review you've 

919
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,440
given us. 
No, no. 

920
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,400
What, where, where, why I've, I 
suppose this one interests me 

921
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,880
because a lot we've I've talked 
in the last few weeks about how 

922
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,160
much rubber is stocked in a lot 
of these shoes. 

923
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,720
Now these the, the vomeros have 
a lot of rubber in them too. 

924
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,960
Yeah, but it's, it's got they've
like literally sandwiched the 

925
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,560
rubber in between. 
So they've got like they've two 

926
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,280
types of rubber, the Reactor and
the Zoom X foam. 

927
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,960
Let's try not to mention foams, 
because every brain you go to 

928
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,240
has got their you know what? 
Foam is. 

929
00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:10,400
It is. 
Foam's foam. 

930
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,520
But what I do like is let's talk
about it in the sense of you've 

931
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,240
got a soft and a heart of foams 
and they've sandwiched it, which

932
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:22,240
to me gives a little bit better 
stability in it versus just one 

933
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:25,280
soft foam that's collapsing. 
That's the feel. 

934
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,120
I, I don't know the science 
behind these. 

935
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,200
Oh, this is the feel I get out 
of these ones. 

936
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:34,760
The next thing that I've liked 
about them is I feel like for a 

937
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:39,760
high statue, they've had maybe 
the better feel of actually 

938
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,600
sitting in there and feeling my 
forefoot than what I've had 

939
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:48,280
previously in some of the other 
kind of, let's say, high stack 

940
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,600
rubber soft shoes I've got. 
So one of the things I've done 

941
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,120
when I've tried a few different 
pairs of shoes on lately, and a 

942
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,360
few of them has just been mates 
have given me their shoes. 

943
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:59,000
Hey, you have a try these when 
you sit and be after the run or 

944
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:04,120
whatever is I generally get, you
know, a footfall in on the 

945
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,240
shoes. 
These are pretty neutral in the 

946
00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:09,280
sense that I feel like I'm 
getting a straight run in them. 

947
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:10,840
That's good. 
I'm going to come back and give 

948
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,600
you more information on these. 
But at the moment that as far as

949
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,400
a jogger goes, and the other 
shoe that I've had been kind of 

950
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,160
playing around a little bit with
is a Adidas Boston 13. 

951
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,680
OK, yeah, 12:00 I've got the 
Boston Twelves. 

952
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,360
They're the ones with the carbon
rod as opposed to a plate. 

953
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,760
Correct. 
And then with the rod, I feel 

954
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,120
like I am getting a bit more 
moved, you know, and keep asking

955
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,880
for. 
I want some movement in my foot.

956
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,520
I wanna feel my foot when I'm 
coming back from some of the 

957
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,720
stuff that's been going on. 
Yeah, I feel like I'm getting 

958
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:41,920
that. 
But they're a lot harder shoe, 

959
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,400
right? 
The rubber in them is is a lot 

960
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,360
harder, a lot harder than some 
of the kind of like let's say 

961
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,040
those, well, any of the other 
rubber shoes, including the 

962
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:57,200
Solomons I've been running in, 
which are the ultra, ultra aero,

963
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,880
no aero glide on the road like a
lot of rubber. 

964
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,080
These are like going back to a 
nearly like a track. 

965
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,520
They nearly feel like a track 
spy, however you know they're 

966
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,040
two centimetres worth of rubber 
under. 

967
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,000
Them, it's interesting you 
mentioned those, the Boston 

968
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:20,160
Twelves and the feel because oh,
I have actually, I reckon early 

969
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,400
on in the year when I was 
running, feeling good with my 

970
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,200
running, I was running in those 
a lot. 

971
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,160
That's what I ran my PB in for 
the half last year. 

972
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:32,240
Really enjoyed running in them. 
And then when I came back from 

973
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:34,920
injury just recently and I 
started running in those again, 

974
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:39,080
I found my calves were really 
sore tight. 

975
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,280
Yeah. 
After a run in those shoes. 

976
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:48,280
I have been running a lot of my 
kilometres of light in the ASICS

977
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,040
Kayanos. 
Yeah, right. 

978
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:56,280
Just a really simple foam shoe. 
And so for like those slow runs 

979
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:02,560
I'm going for, I am in the the 
new ASICS Kayanos and I feel 

980
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,400
great. 
And there's a part of me in in 

981
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,680
my head, I'm telling myself this
is not only are your legs 

982
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:13,240
feeling good after these runs, 
it's also better that you're 

983
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:15,600
training in the shoe with less 
for you. 

984
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,920
That's giving you less back from
an energy return because then 

985
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,400
when you do put the specials on,
you'll actually get even more 

986
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,160
out of it because your legs will
be stronger because they've been

987
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:24,440
doing the work. 
This is what I'm telling this. 

988
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,240
Is what you're telling yourself.
This is what I'm telling myself,

989
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:29,360
but Speaking of SO. 
So the good news is if if 

990
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,840
anyone's got a this type of 
shoe, I'm like a kid in a candy 

991
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:37,480
store at the moment because I'm 
sitting here going, where do I 

992
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,040
go? 
What should I try? 

993
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,680
What should I try? 
Well, here's what. 

994
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:42,560
Where should I go? 
Here's. 

995
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,720
What I want you to do now from 
moving forward, you, you started

996
00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:47,440
like this. 
I want you to you started as you

997
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,320
mean to go on. 
You started by reviewing the 

998
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,080
Nike Vomero by saying I love 
them. 

999
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,040
Yeah, I've tried one pair and 
then I asked. 

1000
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,320
I've tried one pair of. 
Shoes, you said. 

1001
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,280
I love them, I asked you for 
more and then you gave us a huge

1002
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:01,920
review. 
So from now on, whenever you 

1003
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,880
talk about a new shoe, it must 
begin with a three word review. 

1004
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:07,200
Right. 
But you know. 

1005
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:08,680
I'll be three word. 
Reviews, you know, the 

1006
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,960
interesting thing. 
So I the Boston. 

1007
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,600
Yeah. 
It was this podcast that got me 

1008
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,840
to go and buy the book because 
it wasn't. 

1009
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:17,760
You'd run in them. 
Yeah. 

1010
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,360
But I've never heard I'd never 
heard of anyone who runs in them

1011
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:22,560
because other people are riding 
in. 

1012
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:23,560
They like the Boston. 
Yeah. 

1013
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,840
And I've never heard of like no 
one not liking running in them. 

1014
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,720
OK, so that intrigued me. 
There's a couple of our, let's 

1015
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:34,480
call them the dad brands, even 
Brooks. 

1016
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,960
Just say. 
It's an only Brooks. 

1017
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,320
There's a few other dad brands 
out there, New Balance, a few of

1018
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,240
them too that people have ridden
in over. 

1019
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:44,440
You know, they're kind of nearly
getting closer to a year that 

1020
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,800
we've been doing this and keep, 
you know, there's a, there's a 

1021
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:51,560
few shoes that consistently come
through that people like to jog 

1022
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,360
in. 
Let's call them joggers like 

1023
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,160
you. 
You're kind of easy runners. 

1024
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:56,480
Let's call them the easy 
runners. 

1025
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,400
I would say these S6 Kayanos are
easy runners, Yeah. 

1026
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:01,920
But yeah. 
Hey, quickly on staying with 

1027
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,560
shoes for a moment, Have you 
seen that they launched the 

1028
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,880
major ASICS, the for the Sydney 
Mara shoot? 

1029
00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:14,320
Have you seen it? 
No, ASICS are bringing out a 

1030
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:19,040
dedicated or a, what do you call
it, not a collab, but in the 

1031
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,360
same way that they've had the 
Tokyo and the Berlins signature,

1032
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,240
a signature shoot, that's the 
word I want. 

1033
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:29,440
They have launched the TCS 
Sydney Marathon ASICS Nova Blast

1034
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,160
5. 
Also, oh, you've got. 

1035
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:32,160
It and I've got it there for 
you. 

1036
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:36,200
What do you think? 
Initial thoughts, Yeah. 

1037
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,320
Oh well, it's bland it, I 
thought. 

1038
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,480
It was so I so, and here's the 
thing, why is it blue? 

1039
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,120
It's meant to reflect the 
colours of Sydney. 

1040
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,360
I actually really there. 
There's some details in it, the 

1041
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,200
back stripe. 
I'll show it to you again here 

1042
00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:56,160
with the IT almost feels like an
old school Dunlop volley 

1043
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,080
stylistically. 
It's got the date of the race on

1044
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:00,960
the brand as well. 
So that's the signature. 

1045
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,360
It's all like about the little. 
Details. 

1046
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,040
There are some really cool 
little details, but the colour 

1047
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:11,200
that scheme they're gone with of
the cream upper with the dark 

1048
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:16,080
cobalt blue, essentially soul. 
If you said Sydney, what colour,

1049
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,280
what colour palette would you 
think? 

1050
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,720
I mean, I do have a blue in 
mind. 

1051
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,360
I do have a blue. 
I just would have gone something

1052
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,840
a bit bolder and put almost the 
blue as the upper. 

1053
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,840
I just would have gone something
a bit, I don't know, something a

1054
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,160
little bit more dynamic. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1055
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,480
Oh well, I mean it's great that 
they like. 

1056
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,200
I love that there's a signature.
Shoe, 100%. 

1057
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,600
I love it. 
A lot of people come, they not 

1058
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,000
only can buy a T-shirt, you know
you can buy the shoe for 

1059
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,400
whatever event you're at and 
really buy into it, right? 

1060
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,400
And support the sponsors that 
support those events. 

1061
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,000
I would have almost even gone if
you're going with that dark 

1062
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,000
cobalt. 
I might have gone a lighter blue

1063
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:56,320
on top, like NSW is the Blues, 
like you know, from a rugby 

1064
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,280
league perspective, I would have
lent into the blue a little bit 

1065
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:00,400
more as well. 
See where you're going? 

1066
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,280
But that's just, it's not a this
is like a deep sea to me. 

1067
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,280
That's a charter fishing blue, 
yes. 

1068
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:13,040
It's not a NSW State of Origin 
representative blue, sky blue, 

1069
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,760
sky blue. 
OK, it's not a sky like I could 

1070
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,840
have understood sky blue. 
Look, the other way I would have

1071
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,520
actually gone is just, I was 
like, put the Opera House on the

1072
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,040
thing. 
Oh, that would cost some 

1073
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:23,920
dollars. 
Would it? 

1074
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:25,560
Don't they? 
Who owns that? 

1075
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,440
Don't Sydney own it? 
Will cost dollars. 

1076
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,880
Well, the Harbour Bridge cost to
go up if. 

1077
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,040
You want to put if you want to 
commercially put the Opera House

1078
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,120
in a photo that's attached to 
some type of brand or a van or 

1079
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,560
anything like that, dollars. 
OK. 

1080
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:44,240
If you want to put an event on 
at the Opera House, not in the 

1081
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:49,000
Opera House, at the Opera House 
for sure there dollars and I'm 

1082
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,720
talking, I'm not going to say, 
but it's dollars like dollars 

1083
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:55,600
with like lots of, lots of 
dollars on it. 

1084
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,280
Yeah. 
Let me let me try and pivot then

1085
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,400
let me try and find a low cost 
solution. 

1086
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,480
Just to add something a bit more
to it. 

1087
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,600
I love that the dates on it of 
the race. 

1088
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:09,360
What about if you had the course
map or the harbour outline or 

1089
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,680
some sort of further Insignia 
that? 

1090
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,880
See that that that starts to go 
down a route. 

1091
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:19,880
We start to, you know, we're 
just talking about the, the, 

1092
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,400
the, the shoe. 
I had something in my head now 

1093
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,880
and then when you picked up on 
the, the Harbour Bridge. 

1094
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,240
I've lost it, but that's OK. 
No, no. 

1095
00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:30,840
The reason I we raced. 
Oh, I've got it. 

1096
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,080
I remembered it very quickly. 
Quick story, you talk about the 

1097
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:37,640
cost of putting any Insignia on 
that sort of stuff using the 

1098
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:38,840
Harbour Bridge. 
It jumped to mind. 

1099
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,880
I was at a lunch the other week 
where there's a fella by the 

1100
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,280
name, I think it was Mick 
Collis. 

1101
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,240
Who? 
Hilarious. 

1102
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:49,560
Look him up. 
Mick Collis was the captain or 

1103
00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:52,840
or he's represented Australia in
the first ever Sudoku team. 

1104
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,720
He always had a dream of 
representing Australia. 

1105
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:57,800
Like you, Courtney, being an 
Australian representative wasn't

1106
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,880
good enough as an athlete. 
He's married to former 

1107
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,160
Australian water polo player, 
his best mates of Wallaby. 

1108
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:04,840
Like he's surrounded by all 
these people that have got to 

1109
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,200
wear the green and gold. 
He's got this, he's written a 

1110
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:08,840
book about it. 
He's got this incredible story. 

1111
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,160
I think there's a documentary 
about about how he started the 

1112
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,040
first ever Sudoku team. 
But one of the funny parts of 

1113
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,360
the story, it's all hilarious, 
but one of the really funny 

1114
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,960
parts was he designed. 
All he ever wanted to do was 

1115
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,320
represent in Australia. 
And so when he made this team, 

1116
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:25,880
he made up the uniform. 
I can see I'm looking at it. 

1117
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,840
Now there's a great line in the 
presentation that he does. 

1118
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,240
It it, it looks like it's 
exactly like one of the Olympic 

1119
00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:37,120
Blazers I've got up in. 
And he's what the the line he 

1120
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:41,560
delivers in his in his speech is
that people always ask me what's

1121
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:45,600
the process to getting the 
Australian coat of arms put on a

1122
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,600
uniform? 
And the answer is none. 

1123
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:51,880
I don't know. 
He never asked ask for. 

1124
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,560
Forgiveness got it made in Bali.
So good luck. 

1125
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,200
I just look I just when you just
wrote, I said you got to look 

1126
00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:59,760
him up. 
I looked him up and the first 

1127
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,000
thing I saw, because you were 
telling me about Sudoku, Sudoku,

1128
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:07,120
Sudoku, Sudoku, Sudoku 
pronunciation, pronunciation 

1129
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,720
shite. 
The first thing it says he's an 

1130
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:13,400
author, a writer and a rugby. 
And then it's a commentator. 

1131
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,080
Yeah, yeah, he's it's I thought,
I thought you were like selling 

1132
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:18,800
him He short. 
Now he actually played as 

1133
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:20,840
because it looks like an 
Australian rugby. 

1134
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:22,800
That's exactly the blazer he 
made up. 

1135
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,600
He he made up four different 
uniforms for this Sudoku team 

1136
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,800
and the and the funniest line as
he headed over to the World 

1137
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,840
Championships in India. 
As he turned to the captain of 

1138
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,480
the team and said, I'm a bit 
nervous. 

1139
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,000
And the captain said, why? 
He said, I've never done a 

1140
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:37,520
Sudoku before. 
It's a great story anyway. 

1141
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,040
Well, let's move back on. 
We'll go back on back to my 

1142
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,200
yeah, well, I'll finish off my 
running because I talked about 

1143
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:44,640
it. 
I got back up to 70K but then I 

1144
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:48,120
did get down on the weekend and 
luckily I did because I would 

1145
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:54,200
have ended up at probably 85 K 
down to Sydney for for Sunday. 

1146
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:59,560
It was last Sunday and Rebel 
Sport have been, I suppose 

1147
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,080
combining with their partners 
that also sponsors the city to 

1148
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,160
surf and doing a run club each 
week. 

1149
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,200
Great out of 98. 
So I was at the Sydney Swans 

1150
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,240
where you told me it's Moorpark,
which I now know. 

1151
00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:13,320
Yep, easy run across the 
Centennial. 

1152
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:17,120
I didn't realise I was so close.
What what great, great little 

1153
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,480
event there for the for the 
morning. 

1154
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,080
But what got me was how many of 
the runners, when I was chatting

1155
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:27,440
to them, this is their very 
first run for the city, like 

1156
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,800
this is their first race in the 
city to surf. 

1157
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,520
So completely new to running, 
haven't been running. 

1158
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,680
And then this was like the way 
this run club was set up is 

1159
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,480
that's your first port of call. 
If you don't have mates, if you 

1160
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,720
don't have a run club, come and 
join us and we'll run for the 8 

1161
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,680
weeks leading up to City to Surf
and get you there. 

1162
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,920
So great little initiative. 
I did get to run around 

1163
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:54,400
Centennial with a a splendid 
best, a Sergeant from one of the

1164
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,800
Navy, a Sergeant of one of the 
instructors of the Navy divers 

1165
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,800
out of Sydney. 
I might and I was like, if 

1166
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,240
there's anything I wouldn't have
could have done outside of let's

1167
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:08,120
say going through an endurance 
sport thing. 

1168
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:12,200
The next best thing was like 
somehow being involved in CERT, 

1169
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,480
police, special forces, armed 
forces, special forces, whatever

1170
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,480
it is, has always intrigued me. 
Even all like the spy stuff and 

1171
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,120
everything, but you've got to 
listen to some of his stories 

1172
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:27,680
around more so not about him and
his deployments, but more about 

1173
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,800
him now training the young guys.
Sure. 

1174
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,080
And the difference that's 
changed in 15 years between, you

1175
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,880
know, how they get treated now, 
what their fitness regime is 

1176
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,640
like. 
I want to go in there and find 

1177
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,840
out what they're doing because 
they were might be ahead of the 

1178
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,320
game. 
Nah, that's all technology these

1179
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:43,880
days. 
Technology. 

1180
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:45,200
It's all tech. 
You reckon they don't need to 

1181
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:45,560
be? 
Nah, that's. 

1182
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:47,440
All you just need to be able to 
push a button. 

1183
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,120
I bet you the, I bet you, I bet 
you the SAS and a few of those 

1184
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:52,600
boys have got something. 
Oh, hold on. 

1185
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:58,720
Yeah, don't put the SAS on me. 
The to take it back to running 

1186
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,120
and and City of Surf. 
I think it's going to be a 

1187
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:08,720
really I'm really interested to 
see the how how that race pans 

1188
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:12,120
out this year finish because not
so much to finish just because 

1189
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,680
this is the biggest fun run in 
the world. 

1190
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,320
I think 90,000 people take part 
in this, but it's also it's the 

1191
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,080
first city to surf post run. 
Boom. 

1192
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,960
Yeah, this is a, you know, we 
saw do. 

1193
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,040
You reckon it's more boom than 
last year? 

1194
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:28,720
Yeah. 
I don't think it's, I think it's

1195
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,800
gone on what you just said. 
You're at this Rebel Run Club 

1196
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,800
thing where all these people 
were going to run this thing for

1197
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,160
the first time. 
And that kind of and there's, 

1198
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:37,120
there's definitely people 
looking for tickets. 

1199
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:42,600
So I, I think I'm curious to 
see, I'll be fascinated to see 

1200
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:50,920
what the socials are, what the 
brand activations are just 

1201
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:53,880
because it's the Voltaran City 
Surf. 

1202
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,920
So you've got a new name where 
I've sponsored this year in 

1203
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,720
Voltaran. 
When you jump on the website, 

1204
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:03,600
world's largest fun run, iconic 
and achievable 14K Sydney's 

1205
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:08,160
biggest dance party, Bondi Beach
vibes, finish line bling this 

1206
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:12,480
even super like even the 
branding of the event seems to 

1207
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,520
be tighter and more punchy. 
So yeah, do you think? 

1208
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:18,800
Actually, I'll ask you in a 
minute one thing, if you are 

1209
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,000
running listening today or on 
Sunday and you are running City 

1210
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,680
to Surf tomorrow, Red Bull. 
Yep. 

1211
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,360
Partner of the event have down 
at Rose Bay. 

1212
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,240
We're calling it the flying 
Sprint. 

1213
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:34,680
So A1K Strava segment. 
You'll be you won't you won't 

1214
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,720
you won't miss it because when 
you get there, it will. 

1215
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,280
And now it starts at Jewel on 
the sea, which I don't know what

1216
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:44,640
that is, but so this is before 
heartbreak Hill at Rose Bay. 

1217
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,360
You'll see literally Red Bull 
bunting. 

1218
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:48,760
You'll see a Red Bull. 
They won't. 

1219
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:53,680
It won't be across the road, but
like a star area, it's bang on. 

1220
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,240
AKI made the seg. 
I've actually made the segment 

1221
01:00:56,240 --> 01:01:01,240
myself, so it's one point O 4K, 
but that just allows for people 

1222
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,400
like when you hit the mark, they
make sure you're in it. 

1223
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,320
Now here's the kicker, the best 
male. 

1224
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,400
So if you know, if you know any 
of these elite runners, the 

1225
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,960
fastest male and fastest female 
up for grabs. 

1226
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,320
If you're the quickest through 
that 1K segment, a trip to Japan

1227
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,880
to run in the Red Bull 400, 
which is up the ski jump. 

1228
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,720
I love this. 
We're going to challenge that 

1229
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,160
now because we said city to 
serve prize. 

1230
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,120
The winner gets 2 1/2 grand, 
right? 

1231
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:29,040
Yeah. 
First male, first female for 

1232
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,680
that 1K segment. 
Red Bull are putting up trip 

1233
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,720
trip to Japan to run at the Red 
Bull 400. 

1234
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,400
This is the next fights they. 
Will all accommodate. 

1235
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,920
This is the next evolution of 
running events. 

1236
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,800
So we you'll know when you're in
that anyone who's running it, 

1237
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:44,840
you'll know when you're in that 
zone. 

1238
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,440
The good thing is, go back in 
your Strava after it, have a 

1239
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,000
look at the segment you'll be 
able to compare your K split to,

1240
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,800
you know, the fastest elite 
runners, your mates and whatever

1241
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,240
else. 
What is Strava doing? 

1242
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:58,440
Aside from obviously the the 
segment being active, what else 

1243
01:01:58,440 --> 01:01:59,920
is Strava they're doing to get 
behind this? 

1244
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:03,600
Because the this is set lights 
off in my brain. 

1245
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,800
This is such a great idea. 
This is this is just being 

1246
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:11,720
driven more localised as far as 
like, you know, when you go 

1247
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,640
through the Expo to pick up 
your, your dockets and all that,

1248
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,200
you'll, that will Red Bull be 
there to be able to give you a 

1249
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,320
can and tell you what's going 
on. 

1250
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,960
But as far as Strava goes, no, I
mean, it's just a segment. 

1251
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,840
Because when you think about, 
when I think about. 

1252
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,360
So the Noosa Try has for those 
that never done Noosa Try, the 

1253
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:33,400
Noosa Try has Garmin Hill, which
is the one real climb that 

1254
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,520
exists on the bike. 
But they they take the timing 

1255
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:40,200
into, they actually have the 
timing set up within their race 

1256
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,200
results. 
So it's a part of that, but 

1257
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,640
that's the way Garman gets some 
branding within the race and 

1258
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:47,640
it's a part of the event 
overall. 

1259
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:51,120
What you're doing here with Red,
what Red Bull and you are doing 

1260
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,800
here with the City to Surf is 
finding a way to activate within

1261
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,600
the race itself utilising 
Strava. 

1262
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:03,760
I love it. 
I think it's such an or and this

1263
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,680
kind of comes back to, I think 
we had a conversation a few EPS 

1264
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:10,160
back talking about the idea of 
runner and Strava becoming one 

1265
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,080
and then thinking, OK, So what 
is the evolution of Strava going

1266
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,600
to be? 
I can see this concept Strava 

1267
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,720
going like if I'm Strava and 
seeing you guys doing this, I'm 

1268
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:23,160
thinking we need to be doing 
this at running events, at all 

1269
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:24,680
the big running events around 
the globe. 

1270
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:25,800
Yeah. 
Well, what we talked about, I'm 

1271
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,080
sure it probably is. 
I, I don't know off the top of 

1272
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:30,120
my head, a great. 
Idea. 

1273
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:33,160
It wouldn't be new, I'm sure 
there's Strava segments in other

1274
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:34,480
events. 
Yeah, but it's a really cool 

1275
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,080
one. 
The good one, the good, the good

1276
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:39,480
part of this one is, is you 
know, it all ties together I 

1277
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,200
suppose. 
So you, you know, you can go to 

1278
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,120
the Expo, find out about it, but
remember it. 

1279
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,240
But you don't have to do 
anything extra. 

1280
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,280
No, it will just be, It will 
just be when you go back through

1281
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,560
your result and look at how 
you're comparing it to your 

1282
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,040
mates. 
I'm sure everyone will compare 

1283
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,360
Heartbreak Hill. 
Yeah, everyone will compare. 

1284
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,240
You know what time they've run? 
Well, you can also how quickly 

1285
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,720
you run the flat at Rose Bay 
'cause that's about one of the 

1286
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,560
only flat spots in that race. 
It's a tricky race, Yeah, it's a

1287
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:04,520
tricky race. 
Finishes at. 

1288
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:07,320
Char Grill Charlie's. 
I believe I had that for dinner 

1289
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,680
on Saturday night. 
Jewel on the Bay, little it 

1290
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:10,880
begins. 
Jewel on the Bay. 

1291
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,800
Basically you run past the golf 
course on your right hand side 

1292
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,360
and then as you hit the shops 
there Char Grills was on your 

1293
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:17,880
right again and. 
Then you know the area I've. 

1294
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:19,720
Yeah, this is my old running 
haunt. 

1295
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,240
Yeah, and then you hit Char 
Grills and then you'll hit the 

1296
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,080
base of Heartbreak Hill. 
And then. 

1297
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,200
I love the idea actually, 
though, that anybody don't gas 

1298
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:29,880
yourself trying to nail the Red 
Bull station. 

1299
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:33,520
No, no, because if you are not 
ready to run and you gas 

1300
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,240
yourself, that next hill is 
misery. 

1301
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:37,360
You're gonna, you're gonna 
battle. 

1302
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:38,560
Yeah. 
So I'm looking forward to see if

1303
01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:42,360
any of the if any of the elites 
go well, we can win, but I 

1304
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:43,680
wouldn't mind winning this as 
well. 

1305
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,960
Dangling that trip to Japan, 
that is an incredible carrot. 

1306
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,640
But again, I am really next week
on the pod. 

1307
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:53,760
I'll be I'll come ready to 
debrief because I think this is 

1308
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:58,600
the first city to surf post run 
bubble, proper run bubble. 

1309
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,240
And as the biggest fun run in 
the world. 

1310
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:05,320
I'm, I'm really, really 
fascinated to see what the how 

1311
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:07,760
it plays out, how the biggest 
fun run in the world plays out 

1312
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:09,800
in the midst of the running 
boot. 

1313
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,440
There you go. 
Alright, good luck to anyone 

1314
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,520
having a run. 
And it's great to be running 

1315
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,160
injury free and to stay that 
way. 

1316
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:18,680
We'll see you next week. 
See you next week.