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In the beginning episode 50, 
we're coming up on 12 month 

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anniversary. 
Coming up to a year. 

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Coming up to a year. 
Did you say we got there yet? 

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No, we're not there yet. 
It. 

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Could be blow up after this week
Liam. 

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We this is let's let's title 
this out. 

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Sydney Mara debrief post Sydney 
This is where we're at our first

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ever live show. 
Was a cracker. 

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Morning was. 
It just can we give and look, 

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I'm wearing a bit of merch for 
those that are watching the 

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video AG one. 
We can't thank you guys enough 

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for making the effort to get us 
down there. 

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Give us the opportunity not only
to be a part of your Sydney 

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Marathon plans, but to allow us 
to sit down with Andy Buchanan 

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for an hour. 
He's a good talker, isn't he? 

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I mean, you. 
OK, let's start with you first, 

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OK? 
You were on fire. 

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You were you the your your 
reaction to some of the your 

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quips were just quick. 
Good mate. 

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I mean, you carried me well, 
100% carried me that morning. 

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I'll take the compliment this 
would. 

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I would also say this is in the 
same way when you we go trail 

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running in Nerang and you carry 
me through there because you're 

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an elite athlete and that's your
background. 

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This is radio. 
This is what I've been doing for

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the last 13 years. 
So thank you. 

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No, no, you were amazing. 
Andy was also amazing. 

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He is a great chat. 
He want to hear more about I. 

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Want to hear more? 
And look, we have laid the 

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tracks so that Andy knows that 
next time he's up on the Gold 

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Coast, there's an open door 
policy to the podcast for him 

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because there's still so many. 
I mean, even after we stopped 

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recording that morning, we then 
kept talking to him and there 

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were so many more things that. 
We could do 3-1 hour episodes 

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are still not good there. 
Plus I need to take him running 

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on the Gold Coast and show him 
Narang. 

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You do. 
Still not happy with Gold Coast?

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Is he running? 
Reputation of Gold Coast running

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is in your hands for Andy 
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But yeah, there were still so 
many things. 

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And look, as we record this, we 
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World Championships, athletic 
World Championships happening in

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Japan. 
We're crossing everything for 

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him. 
We really are crossing 

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everything for him that this 
injury comes together and allows

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him to run at the World Jazz. 
And I mean, he gave us the 

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exclusive really to him, you 
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And when he first came up and 
told us before and the the 

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interview I saw with the 
podcast, I was like your. 

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Face went white. 
Because what he was explaining I

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I've just been through for the 
last year and then. 

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I'll, I'll talk. 
A little bit more when we talk 

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about running, but I had another
scare last week right before we 

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went down. 
I'd taken a few days off because

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everything's good, everything's 
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We're still rolling. 
But I did have a little bit of a

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scare. 
So I I know a little bit of what

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he's thinking, but on a whole 
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not going for the world champs 
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A whole different. 
Scenario it was look again, if 

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you haven't listened to it and 
if this is your first episode 

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for in the beginning, welcome. 
Go back and listen the last 

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weeks because what Andy gave us 
the stories, the Ellie Kipjoge 

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Portolo story I've been telling 
people like it was my own. 

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You know, he's he gave so much 
and again we are going to look 

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to have him on and another time 
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and to Erica and Clint as well. 
They were brilliant. 

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I've had some great feedback 
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hear more in in the space of 
what Erica started to go into. 

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Yes, yes. 
So women's nutrition is 

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definitely not our expertise. 
No, it's not. 

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But it's something we're going 
to, in the future want to cover 

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more on the show for those who 
are listening that are 

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interested in that area. 
Let's talk Sydney Marathon, the 

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TCS major, major number seven, 
the first one ever held in 

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Australia. 
I want to get did you watch it 

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Because you flew back, You flew 
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up. 
What did you did you get a 

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chance to watch much? 
Of it I went out running. 

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Myself. 
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out from a long run in the 
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home, watch the last half an 
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idea what was going on. 
So it was on 7 mate live, you 

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know, all the, all the usual 
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commentating and everything 
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What I will say, and I know 
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major had to be Sydney. 
It had to be. 

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I mean that finish line, just 
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when the triathlon was the first
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at the Opera House. 
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What internationals recognise as
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that is the fact and it can't be
anywhere else. 

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This is where I need to put my 
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I got it wrong. 
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months ago. 
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episodes and I half heartedly 
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should be the major marathon. 
Why isn't Gold Coast being 

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ambitious enough to push to be 
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Australia? 
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else. 
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Gold Coast is where you come to 
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To run in paradise, Gold Coast 
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to hit APB, if you're a runner 
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holiday is part of this. 
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tourism, I couldn't recommend 
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But if you want to run a major 
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Sydney. 
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we'll go back because I was I 
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and I'll I'll talk to you a bit 
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But on the Saturday you flew out
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Gold Coast. 
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I went down to the Expo and that
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been to a major event 
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they're big. 
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walking through IKEA. 
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The ASIC section alone at the 
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That was, that's the biggest, 
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as I've ever been in. 
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It was enormous. 
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It was my birthday. 
I got up early and put the shoes

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on. 
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wasn't getting in till sort of 
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So I had the whole morning. 
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I just started running and I the
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unofficial run club shake out 
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what that was like because 
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Big brand like New Balance. 
I wanted to see what that looked

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like and that didn't. 
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Well, you called me, I called 
you showed me like you Facetimed

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me video FaceTime me, showed me 
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It was a couple of 1000 people 
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different shoes, great vibes, 
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There was all the things you and
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people with boom boxes on their 
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Oh yeah. 
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Yeah. 
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
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handheld ones, and then this one
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blown backpack. 
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And now if I'm going to be 
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we're going to be honest about 
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We're not. 
I'm not going to sugar coat 

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things. 
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My flag on it was though, he was
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Like I ran with him for a bit. 
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run the next day. 
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He was running sub 420 pace with
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So with all the hype and 
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going this is fast. 
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who's planning on just getting 
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too fast for them, the like. 
And I get you're trying to build

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excitement. 
I'm, this is kind of quick 

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running, but I got down to the 
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because you ran over the Harbour
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And that's when I had the 
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be the major because I'm running
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And I was, and I ran past these 
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was saying one was clearly doing
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And the one who wasn't doing the
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and said, you, that's where 
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You're going to be out there in 
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over the Harbour Bridge. 
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I saw the Opera House. 
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Yeah, it just had to be. 
So anyway, you got down into the

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Rocks activations left front and
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Oh, my, it was a saturation 
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So well, go, go through, go 
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because I yeah, I mean, you're 
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but black sheep I saw had a run 
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They looked like they had 
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I don't know. 
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I mean. 
We we just, we just take 

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whatever but 35. 
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the marathon means that to some 
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20,000 plus out and about on 
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something. 
Doing something? 

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Unofficials it it the big do you
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from unofficials shakeout run 
with this 2000 plus Asian 

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running is strong. 
The Asian presence in that run 

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out in that shakeout run, it was
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And I, you know, we know we saw 
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Marathon, Chinese airlines 
sponsoring that and the presence

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of the Taiwanese run as we saw 
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well, so much so that they had 
a, a Chinese translator on the 

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finish line. 
That's the level of Asian 

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presence, the Chinese presence 
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Marathon. 
Looking around at the unofficial

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Run club shakeout, I was like, 
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community has turned out in 
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this. 
I wonder if that's normal each 

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week or whether. 
That's, I don't know what is 

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that people flying. 
In because we know that I mean, 

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the great thing is up, up in the
North, right, all through the 

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Asian countries, running is 
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Huge. 
You know, you go to Japan. 

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Running is life. 
It's school. 

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Every day your lives got run. 
I got down to once I got round 

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to the activation in the rocks 
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I then just started looking 
around and there was a Lululemon

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was having another activation 
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But then at one section down at 
Circular Quay, there there was 

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what at a rough guess would have
been a team of 150 runners just 

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from the Philippines, who all in
their in country kit, all in 

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their country kit, all doing a 
their own version of a shakeout,

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a stretch out. 
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know, the idea of 150 people 
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a plane together as a group for 
this event. 

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And again, it just it's another 
what reason why I kind of went 

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it had to be. 
Sydney that that's one day 

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something that we should unpack 
is really dive into Ju Japan 

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specifically, but Asian 
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running and. 
The running culture. 

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The culture. 
And and, you know, Ekinen relays

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running at school, you know, the
whole the marathon, like what 

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the marathon means up there to 
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And it's just a whole, you know,
we talk about a running boom 

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here in Australia. 
Running has been there in those 

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countries. 
You know, it's been there for 

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many. 
I mean, if you go to Japan, 

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there's running marathons, one 
of the biggest events. 

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They come out to watch Just like
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I know now this might be. 
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any names. 
I'm going to, I'm not going to 

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Beginning as a vlog, Netflix, 
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across the different cultures 
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What's that? 
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there's a race connected in 
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in Oregon in the United States. 
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running community trail in 
Europe. 

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There's all I'm saying is if 
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can picture this in their mind 
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He's pitching Courtney and I, 
he's. 

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He's pitching. 
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Talk about that idea. 
I have. 

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I made a trip to Japan now. 
It was pre COVID. 

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I think I've mentioned on the 
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a race which was up 3333. 
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Up to a I've watched that video,
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Japan that either one I thought 
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the temple. 
Who are the marathon monks? 

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Exactly. 
Another whole story. 

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It's about the monks up there. 
Go through this process and I'd 

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have to go back in my notes to 
see, but it's literally they run

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a marathon over. 
So it's for 1000 days. 

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but and then as once not. 
Every day. 

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Every day in the mountains and 
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Stealing Ned Brockman's idea. 
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like I think they would do it 
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they do it for 100 days, I 
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running 2 double it up. 
Let let me get the proper facts 

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on this and come back to you. 
But I've got a whole seven days 

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worth of content there that I 
never released. 

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You've already filmed. 
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the marathon among trails. 
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glaciers. 
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running culture in Japan. 
I actually caught up with Roy 

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Uweda, who's the best trail 
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Just was. 
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4th or 5th at CCC at ETMB, ran 
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He took me to his local trails 
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Courtney, what are you doing? 
You've already filmed my TV 

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show. 
There's no name for us to pitch 

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it. 
Anymore, if there's someone out 

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there, a good editor who wants 
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don't have the time to get 
through it. 

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But sure, yeah, we've got it all
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So maybe that's one for another 
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I this is and again, we're 
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this is what's next for this is 
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boom tree that's there to be 
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is it on Netflix? 
Sprint? 

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The the what's that run? 
What's the mini series called 

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about Sprint? 
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doco that's on YouTube. 
There's a lot of trail run, 

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there's a lot of stuff on 
YouTube. 

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I'm sure there's got to be 
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Stuff but from a not pop 
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accessible to everybody, 
digestible video content. 

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There's not a lot of great stuff
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Oh, there is no no. 
No, no, there's. 

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No, you know there's not you. 
You could not spend enough time 

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on YouTube. 
Hey, getting back. 

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Let's get back to Sydney. 
I don't know how we got there. 

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Let's get back to Sydney. 
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Sydney Marathon course and that 
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to Gold Coast. 
Yes. 

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So I did notice. 
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I know how they run and where 
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are guys were running around 
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215 runners. 

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I reckon the course was probably
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Anyone who disagrees or let us 
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guys that I knew were running, 
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minutes of your normal marathon 
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David, David Rhodes, Rosie who 
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for a sub three ran a three O 6,
three O 6. 

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So well, there you go. 
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about my Sunday morning as well.
To put a bow on Saturday, I 

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ended up running around through 
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the Opera House where the 5K run
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and then making my way back to 
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Centennial Park. 
Beautiful. 

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The vibe was unbelievable. 
Did you spot the goat at all? 

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Not on Saturday, the energy was 
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me off to bed that night because
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town. 
We had dinner and all the rest 

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of it and it was great, but it 
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excited for the marathon day. 
I wasn't running. 

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I got I didn't get huge pangs of
jealousy. 

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I did get the I did get a little
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you running. 
It would be cool to be out there

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about to finish a major. 
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Before you, before you get to 
Sunday, have you checked your 

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emails this morning? 
I know what you're talking 

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about. 
Let's stay with my birthday. 

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It's the. 30th of August because
we're going into Liam's birthday

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and for Full disclosure, I have 
Liam knew this as well. 

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I'd put an alarm on to make sure
I remembered this is Liam's 

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birthday and then Liam's of the 
FaceTime me that morning showing

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me this fun run or fun this that
was shake out. 

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I've got off the phone and then 
about 10 minutes later my alarm 

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goes off. 
I'll ring you back and go on, 

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Liam. 
Yeah, that was great. 

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I am bloody hopeless, but what I
have done, and I don't know if 

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this is great for the pod 
because you you've been our non 

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non premium member for Yeah, I 
have, but Liam is now he's got a

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year's worth of. 
Premium. 

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That's my gift to you, Liam. 
Thank you, Courtney. 

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This is very generous. 
Liam Flanian gifted. 

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Oh, Liam, I gifted it to myself,
according to the email. 

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But no, I have 12 months 
subscription to premium Strava. 

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I'm gonna get stuck in. 
Yeah, I'm gonna look. 

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I'm gonna use and abuse this for
the next 12 months and see what 

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value premium really. 
Gives you well you don't realise

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it has took it out of your 
expenses. 

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Oh, it's an expense. 
That's why it's from you. 

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Yeah, thank you. 
That's very generous And and I 

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am excited and and yeah the the 
vibe that I had out of Saturday,

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my birthday, going into the next
morning woke up packed up 

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because we were flying out that 
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So we're going to head straight 
from where we were 

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unintentionally. 
We kind of headed to Centennial 

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For those that don't know the 

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course you come into, you kind 
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down and then in and around the 
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towards Maroubra before coming 
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Pretty much got multiple aspect 
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Yeah, if a lot. 
It was a really strong 

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spectating course outside of the
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different corners and turns 
where you where you could see 

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your runners or you could see 
the lead pack. 

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We positioned ourselves at the 
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which we, I didn't think about, 
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And for if you've listened to 
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Coast Marathon Series, that's 
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So it was a really, in 
hindsight, a really interesting 

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spot to position ourselves 
because when they, when the lead

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men's pack came into the park, 
Elliot Kipchogo was in it. 

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By the time they finished the 
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Kipchogo had been dropped. 
So it was a fascinating just for

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me to go, oh, wow, this is where
the race started. 

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And look, that's where the GOAT 
dropped so. 

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Question because you obviously 
there was other people around 

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you. 
It was packed. 

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So when you when they ran in 
there, yes, everyone's cheering.

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Yep. 
When they ran out of there, Yep.

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Was there allowed to cheer for 
him being dropped then the front

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runners? 
The the, the crowd, the crowd 

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was cheered louder and harder 
for him. 

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But Eliot Kipchoge, when he ran 
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to 70 metres behind the front 
pack by that point, but. 

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There was a. 
Noticeable, but it was a lift. 

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And here's the other thing, 
which is why I like I, I don't 

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want to say I got emotional 
about it, but I did get the, the

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feeling in me was as high as it 
was all morning. 

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Eliot Kipchoge running out of 
Centennial Park. 

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Huge roar. 
Him smile from either ear he's 

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34K deep into a marathon thumbs 
big both arms outstretched 

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thumbs up to the crowd. 
It was amazing I've got the 

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video I'll get the I'll we'll 
get this you do your thing and 

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we'll get but him with two 
thumbs up as he's running huge 

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smile I I just got like I looked
around I'm like this is what's 

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great about running. 
This is what's great about this 

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sport. 
I also came up with a theory at 

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that point. 
And and again, Stefan Hassan, 

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same thing. 
Much different, much more 

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different. 
I saw her finish on TV, she is 

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amazing. 
The the women's winner, the 

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Dutch runner, African born her, 
that was more of a race because 

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obviously I can't remember the 
name of the woman that came 

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runner up, but by the time they 
exited the park there was only 

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two women in the lead pack. 
So she didn't have that. 

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She's not at Elliot Kipchoge's 
level, but it was much more of a

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race. 
But the way she finished, the 

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energy, the effort, all the 
enthusiasm, she is just somebody

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to get around. 
She was cooked at the end. 

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Hey, she ran herself. 
Absolutely fastest ever marathon

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on Australian soil by a female. 
Yep and the runner up ran the 

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fastest time as well. 
Prior to whatever it was. 

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First time all females ever gone
under 220 on Australian soil. 

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But so the vibes were great and 
but I've been thinking about it.

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I'm like why is this? 
Why is running different to 

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footy? 
Now I'm at footy every weekend. 

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The difference and I figured it 
out, the difference in footy 

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versus running. 
Even if you set yourself to try 

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and beat a mate in a race or 
even if you have a whatever, no 

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one's ever cheering against 
another runner if you go to a 

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footy game on the weekend. 
Oh, you mean now it's booing 

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them? 
You are, Well, it's not even not

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booing, but if you go to a game 
of footy on the weekend in any 

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team sport where it's head to 
head like that, not only do you 

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want your team to win, you want 
the opposition to lose. 

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That doesn't exist in running 
you don't like. 

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No one would have been out there
watching Kipchoge every like 

450
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people out there who want to 
Kipchoge to win the race or any 

451
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,480
of the other runners to win the 
race would have been cheering 

452
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:22,800
for their runner to win the 
race. 

453
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,040
They would not have been, I 
don't think. 

454
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,240
I like to think that their brain
wasn't going. 

455
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,560
I hope he doesn't win. 
All their brain is focused on 

456
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,560
their wanting their athlete to 
do well and similarly when their

457
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,400
mate runs past and let's say 
their mate is targeting at PB, 

458
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,320
nowhere in their brain does that
thought enter of. 

459
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,040
I think that's a from a very 
participation base. 

460
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,080
I reckon if you went to the 
World Championships trackmate in

461
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:53,920
Tokyo in in a few weeks time, 
that scenario is not the same. 

462
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,080
You still? 
Yeah. 

463
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,800
Maybe from the crowd. 
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking 

464
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,440
from within. 
Within the elite area. 

465
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,760
But when the competitors. 
Of course are a bit different. 

466
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,880
But I but for most team sports 
as a spectator, and I think 

467
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:12,240
that's why the energy around a 
marathon is so positive and so 

468
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,960
different to most other sporting
events, is because everybody 

469
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,720
wants the best for everybody. 
You're only really racing 

470
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,400
yourself in the clock. 
I did make a note, and the 

471
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:28,320
particular note I made at 2 
hours 11 on the T, so 2 hours 11

472
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,800
in the race. 
So at the clocks just ticked 

473
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,760
over 2 hours 11. 
You've seen the winners come 

474
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,640
across the line. 
The Opera House steps looked 

475
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,120
packed. 
It looked amazing. 

476
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,120
And I thought, wow, that's 
they've killed it. 

477
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,720
Yeah. 
Then they showed a drone shot 5 

478
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,560
minutes later of the Opera 
House. 

479
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,800
Yeah. 
Not as packed as what you 

480
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:49,360
believed. 
Oh. 

481
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,560
Really. 
No, interesting what I want to 

482
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,960
say. 
Running is still a participation

483
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,080
sport. 
Yes, You were out there, you're 

484
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:00,760
in the crowd. 
People were watching, family 

485
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:05,000
were watching, but there were 
30,000 people out there running.

486
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,480
Yeah. 
So yes, people, they're there to

487
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,480
watch, but people are there to 
run and I it it. 

488
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,720
That's what got me thinking 
right on that time. 

489
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,720
I looked and I was like, oh, 
what they've done it, They have.

490
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,480
It's jam packed in that. 
But it was the camera angle and 

491
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,080
when they went out a little bit 
and then then it got me 

492
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,280
thinking, well, is that just 
because the winners are finished

493
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,160
and everyone watching the crowd 
is still up in the city watching

494
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,440
their own friends, family and 
everyone else racing? 

495
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,520
I don't know, maybe that's 
that's the case that's spread 

496
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,280
out. 
But I just imagined world major 

497
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,720
finish line at the Opera House, 
the first runners come across. 

498
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,160
I thought it would be, you know,
fighting for room. 

499
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:48,000
Yeah, it wasn't not the case. 
OK, there was a crowd, but not 

500
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,200
as built out as I thought it 
would be, which is why I still 

501
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,400
say we talk about running a lot.
It is still first and foremost a

502
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,480
participation report, which is 
an absolutely great thing. 

503
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,480
Yeah, it's a great thing. 
Can I just do before I forget? 

504
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,680
Because I bumped, I met him, not
met him. 

505
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,000
I'd met him before, but I bumped
into him in the Oh, yes, instant

506
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,040
in your park is young. 
Young fellow by the name of 

507
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,080
Jack. 
Yeah. 

508
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,400
Jack wasn't who was not who you 
probably think of, but young 

509
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,800
fellow by the name of Jack. 
Jack Eagle. 

510
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,320
Shout out to Jack. 
I hope this is getting you to 

511
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,760
sleep. 
Is Dad Brian or Ryan's his name,

512
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,840
but we'll call him Brian. 
Brian has run UTA 50 and 100 a 

513
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,400
couple times. 
He's play fully with Brian Jack 

514
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,480
goes just like listening to In 
the Beginning podcast. 

515
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:30,960
That's what we that's what we do
to. 

516
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,720
So I just want to say to Jack, 
if you listen to this one big 

517
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:35,600
shout out, it was good to see 
you. 

518
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,000
Good night. 
And also can I do I give a shout

519
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,400
out to our man Rady, who set a 
Guinness World Record at the 

520
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,160
Sydney Mara for the fastest 
marathon ever, dressed as a 

521
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,200
surfer, carrying a board with 
him the whole way. 

522
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,360
He ran a 317 with a surfboard in
thongs. 

523
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:52,800
So he has beaten that record by 
I think almost an hour and a. 

524
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,080
Half. 
Was he wearing those special 

525
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,840
sandals? 
No, no, like the Archie Thongs, 

526
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,960
I think the Archie they. 
Didn't have the carbon play. 

527
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,600
No, no, no. 
This Highland ones we've talked 

528
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,720
about, No, You also ran into 
Kendall. 

529
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,080
Boyd I did run into Kendall This
is again let's get I'll I'll do 

530
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,600
some more shout outs of people I
bumped into Kendall I bumped 

531
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:15,040
into in the Expo on the Friday. 
It's great to see Kendall. 

532
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,600
I met his young fella Kendall 
was telling me all about his 

533
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,960
trail running through Thailand, 
how he got into the podcast. 

534
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,200
He was great. 
He. 

535
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,800
How did he get into the podcast?
Did I just put you on the spot? 

536
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,640
Remember, Hey, don't worry 
because I've got something he is

537
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,120
throwing you under the bus later
on, which I'm. 

538
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:34,800
Going to love get to that we'll.
Get to that. 

539
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,320
Before we and one more shout out
because I don't, I didn't get 

540
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,960
his name, but as I was exiting 
Centennial Park heading for the 

541
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,160
airport, going to get the Uber, 
I did get one fella. 

542
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:46,960
I don't know your name. 
I hope you're listening. 

543
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,840
You were, you were the bloke 
that shouted out Liam in the 

544
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,080
beginning and I was like good 
so. 

545
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,560
He he recognised it. 
Well, one of my mates was out 

546
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,080
there running and gave us a 
little bit of a spinners Brett 

547
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:04,480
Hennings in the beginning 
podcast. 

548
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,680
Shout out to you boys. 
Just about to hit 30 KS. 

549
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,240
I've been on the bus all 
morning. 

550
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,120
I've had that mindset for the 
last couple of months thanks to 

551
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:16,600
your podcast. 
So it doesn't matter how many of

552
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,240
these things you do, there's 
always something you can learn. 

553
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,560
So thanks boys, keep it up and 
I'll see how we're finishing 

554
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:23,920
this last one. 
OK, I was going to try to send 

555
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,960
it. 
So that I would have been, I 

556
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,040
would have been standing where 
Brett recorded. 

557
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,440
Right right there at the 30 
game. 

558
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,680
He ended up finishing three O 8.
So the story behind him is he's 

559
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,240
done a lot of my photography for
Red Bull. 

560
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,040
Oh. 
Great. 

561
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,400
Not an endurance athlete, not 
not getting into mid midlife and

562
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,200
he's found Ironman. 
He's found, right. 

563
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,280
And then all I see on his, we 
used to look all, see all the 

564
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,600
photos he'd take 'cause he's 
like, you know, shoots Toby 

565
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,960
Price out and think, yeah, done 
our running back in the day. 

566
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,880
So all the images, a lot of Red 
Bull stuff. 

567
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,680
And here he is now all he posts.
And then marathon, running, 

568
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,280
triathlon, everything else. 
I said, mate, always happy to 

569
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,520
grab the camera. 
Yeah, you can do the running for

570
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,000
us. 
Yeah. 308 fifties run for for 

571
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,000
someone newish to it, that's a 
great run so. 

572
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,720
Straight away I said you've got 
to be thinking about 3 hours 

573
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,560
now. 
Yeah, the other one that come 

574
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:19,440
up, this was sending by Tamara, 
3rd place in the men's, fourth 

575
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,440
place in the men's race, first 
Chinese across the line and I've

576
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,800
forgotten the the 4th 1 all wore
a Chinese carbon plate. 

577
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,040
They're back. 
From X step. 

578
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:33,600
X step. 
X step. 

579
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,200
So not the ones we've we've 
known, but they must be pumping 

580
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,640
some money in. 
But just like cars and the four 

581
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,760
wheel drives and the utes and 
everything else coming into 

582
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,640
Australia, they're going to take
over soon. 

583
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,120
Just bringing them up. 
They're going to take over soon.

584
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:47,960
They're he. 
They're coming. 

585
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,800
They're coming. 
They got marked. 

586
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,760
My words. 
Look again, as we always say 

587
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,680
about shoes, Find what works for
you. 

588
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,840
Don't, don't, don't fall. 
Follow along blindly. 

589
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,200
Find what works for you. 
Well, interesting. 

590
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,400
You know, there's one mix we 
talked about really early on 

591
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,600
that you tried, and my brother 
still runs in them. 

592
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,600
Yeah, still loves them. 
I've taken them off Timo. 

593
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:08,880
Oh. 
What? 

594
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,440
You can't buy them anymore. 
Yeah, this was like just this 

595
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,200
morning, we're talking about it.
You can't buy them anymore. 

596
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,280
So I I said, well, if you're 
looking for a Chinese shoe, 

597
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,440
probably go down to well, it's 
not Chinese, but like that Kip 

598
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,320
run from Decathlon, I reckon 
give it a shot at a premium 

599
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:23,480
price. 
But anyway, here's this. 

600
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,600
One quickly before we move, do 
you have any other thoughts on 

601
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,320
Sydney because I do have a a bit
of a summation that I want to 

602
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:29,280
make. 
Go for it. 

603
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:38,840
How will it go next year? 
I'm going to start off with the 

604
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,880
biggest in. 
We said it's saturated. 

605
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,160
The brands went all in. 
Brands. 

606
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,800
Brands went heavy. 
The biggest one, or the one I 

607
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,360
think that would have cost the 
most money was from ON. 

608
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,200
On. 
I I look I have no idea but I'm 

609
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,440
going to take a stab. 
It could have been a 600 to 

610
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:04,560
800,000 K exercise for. 
Them do you know what I and the 

611
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,360
what's the price of a pair of 
feet? 

612
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,880
I don't know, but I think it 
worked because my perception of 

613
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,520
honours changed. 
Really. 

614
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:12,640
Did you go down? 
You didn't. 

615
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,960
See that I saw I saw a bit of on
stuff around the place, but I'm 

616
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,320
starting to think and look, 
Clint was a part of it. 

617
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,200
Clint. 
Oh, he means who runs in on. 

618
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,920
Talking about it on these. 
I've always thought of them as I

619
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,360
don't know what I never took 
them. 

620
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,400
I don't want to say I never took
them seriously as a running 

621
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,120
trip, but it's certainly 
something I've never considered 

622
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,520
running in. 
Whereas I'd be open on, now I'd 

623
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,880
be able to give them. 
A marketing hit, The money spent

624
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,920
on being there. 
It's converted. 

625
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,600
One pair of feet. 
People running, yeah, you'd give

626
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,920
them a shot. 
Yeah, openly. 

627
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,080
And I think, and look, that's 
what I mean. 

628
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,840
I don't think we'll ever see the
marketing spend dip around the 

629
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,760
TCS Sydney Marathon now because 
it's a major now and I think 

630
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,520
whether it's on again next year 
or another brand that sees the 

631
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,080
opportunity or the value in 
converting runners, someone's 

632
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,360
going to spend the money. 
What I'm thinking more about is 

633
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,160
it's the first time it's a 
major. 

634
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,280
It was would have been a lot of 
I think you would have had a lot

635
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,840
of people who'd run the other 
six who will wanted to complete 

636
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,600
the set. 
You I don't think you're as 

637
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,400
likely to get the repeat 
business from those runners for 

638
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,000
next year. 
Further to that, Elliott 

639
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,080
Kipchogay probably not there 
next year. 

640
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,280
It was a perfect storm. 
It was a perfect storm. 

641
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,440
So how does Sydney, that's the 
and this is the responsibility 

642
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,440
the the organisers now have to 
deal with short of getting me to

643
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,440
host the finish line with my 
mate Pete Murray. 

644
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,560
What? 
How are they going to maintain 

645
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,480
or elevate that that race next? 
Year. 

646
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,000
Do you know who was the doing 
the finish line? 

647
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,720
Pete Murray? 
No, Pete. 

648
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,840
Was there, He was there. 
'Cause I saw him pull out, I saw

649
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,280
him on the TV, the TV grab a 
sneaky. 

650
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,560
Selfie with Elliot. 
That's probably not. 

651
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,480
I saw that. 
Probably not kosher. 

652
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:58,760
Hey. 
Yeah, Yeah, Pete. 

653
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,200
Yeah. 
Anyway, if you can, you can. 

654
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,880
Who else is doing it? 
Dave Colbert. 

655
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,160
Oh, yeah. 
But Dave's always there for the 

656
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,760
broadcast. 
Dave's, I mean, he was there on 

657
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,000
the line and he was there for, 
he was there on the line, so. 

658
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,320
On on the Gold Coast. 
So, yeah, So what you said 

659
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,760
around that, I think I was a 
perfect storm. 

660
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,600
It was it was the investment in 
it from the brands was I knew it

661
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,200
would be there, but it was 
larger than I expected. 

662
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,680
But with that perfect storm of 
first time Khichobe, everyone 

663
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:31,160
coming out, Hassan running, we 
don't know whether it's it's 

664
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,440
peak yet. 
We don't know whether it's not. 

665
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:34,880
I don't think it is. 
We don't know where it's sort of

666
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,960
go, but at some point just, you 
know, you can't just have 

667
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,560
exponential growth forever. 
So at some point that's going to

668
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,440
come back and flatten out a 
little bit. 

669
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,640
So at that point then, yeah, you
think, well, what happened? 

670
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,160
But you know, look, it's a major
now. 

671
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,040
It's going to continue. 
I'd be fascinated to see the 

672
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,400
breakdown of the demographic, 
the people that competed because

673
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,800
looking at it and seeing the way
Saifan Hassan engaged the 

674
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,160
running community in Sydney, you
wonder whether female runners is

675
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,240
the is the remains the bigger 
opportunity for the running 

676
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:13,240
community around Sydney? 
Because I think we know run 

677
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,880
clubs are, you know, it's a 
dating scene and all the rest of

678
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:17,800
it. 
But I look at what Saffan Hassan

679
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,920
did from a personality 
perspective and that is my big 

680
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,880
takeaways. 
How many people interacted with 

681
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,840
her or saw her at things or 
watched her at things or 

682
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,440
listened to her things and just 
can't stop raving about it? 

683
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,080
So from a mark ability 
perspective, if you can't get 

684
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,840
Ellie Kitroge back next year, or
even if you do, has the shine 

685
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,080
worn off because you've already 
had him out here last year, 

686
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,360
right? 
Perfect Storm we're talking 

687
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,040
about. 
Is there a lever to pull around 

688
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,000
Safaan Hassan or other high 
profile female athletes and 

689
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,080
making them the centrepiece of 
your major event? 

690
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,240
Where do you go? 
I don't know, I don't know. 

691
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:54,360
I mean, even in the next 5 to 10
years, where do you go? 

692
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,120
I mean, there's a bit like Usain
Bolt, right? 

693
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,960
Yeah. 
Once they get there. 

694
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,800
Well, they're the, they're the, 
they're the, they're the GOAT. 

695
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:07,640
Like, so where do you until that
that kind of, I suppose 

696
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,400
generation of people who are 
involved in running at the 

697
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,280
moment move on. 
Where do you go with what 

698
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,320
athlete that could come in and 
create that same impact? 

699
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:18,960
That would be my question. 
Yep. 

700
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,679
The question I got beyond that 
is if you took the GOAT. 

701
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,280
Yep. 
Oh, you had the chance to bring 

702
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:33,440
Jelly Roll in? 
I'd still bring back the goat. 

703
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,400
I'd try and do both. 
I'd still bring back the goat. 

704
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,280
I think he generates more 
excitement. 

705
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,760
Still, is that because the 
marathon is the runner's race 

706
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,639
and the people there are runners
like they want to be there, I 

707
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:48,400
think, especially with a major, 
right, I think. 

708
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,560
Even as I think in a marathon, 
Ellie Puchoga is a bigger 

709
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,480
celebrity than Jelly Roll could 
ever be. 

710
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,400
That's a big call. 
And that's that's my take. 

711
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:57,960
That's my take. 
I would. 

712
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,480
That would be a great actually, 
if we remember, I might even put

713
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,960
that up. 
OK, quickly, I just want to stay

714
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,880
on the female thing for a moment
because to to continue on that. 

715
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,440
Do you know who the first Aussie
male across the lawn was? 

716
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,840
I I do, but I don't know his 
name. 

717
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:16,760
Robinson came in second, didn't 
he? 

718
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:22,040
So he, yes. 
So my only point being I know 

719
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,240
Leanne Pampiani was the first 
female across, but I also saw 

720
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,480
the storyline, the narrative 
about Jess Stenson and Sinead 

721
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,720
Diver and the way and the. 
And Lisa Wightman. 

722
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:32,960
And Lisa Wightman and the 
carrying on of the storyline 

723
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,800
from the Olympics. 
So the female side of the major,

724
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,800
I think generated more narrative
and publicity and story than the

725
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,160
males did. 
Just to take anyway. 

726
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:46,840
Anything else on the City 
Marathon? 

727
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,960
I think we can leave. 
It there time to move on. 

728
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:55,200
Time to move on. 
One, it's a segue. 

729
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,280
OK, let's take it as a segue 
because we mentioned, you 

730
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:05,640
mentioned how big ASICS went. 
Yes, we talked a lot about being

731
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:09,480
the ASICS marathon. 
Will Nike actually own the 

732
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,320
event? 
Yep. 

733
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,280
Then we just talked about the 
biggest investment we probably 

734
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,720
felt like we saw or that that's 
from a socials LED point of view

735
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,400
I thought was on DO. 
You know who else? 

736
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,960
Oh, sorry, you keep going. 
Beyond not, I mean beyond still 

737
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,880
obviously every, everywhere 
because of the two athletes. 

738
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,080
It just got me thinking again, 
coming back because we saw this 

739
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,640
about Nike and their pivot 
around coming back to support 

740
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:42,400
athletes first and then actually
realising that going down the 

741
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:48,600
the route of trend and, and 
trying to follow they were lost.

742
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,720
They they've they've admitted we
got lost. 

743
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,480
We were trying to build bigger 
and now they've come back to 

744
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,560
athletes. 
I read this, which is really, I,

745
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,800
I think just hits this on the on
the head and I wanna know what 

746
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,200
you think. 
So why does this matter for for 

747
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:06,880
Nike and branding? 
So when Nike sold lifestyle, it 

748
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,240
sold trend. 
When Nike sold sport, it's sold 

749
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:14,240
identity. 
Trends fade. 

750
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:17,560
Identity lasts. 
Brands that drift too far from 

751
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,880
their core risk becoming 
ordinary. 

752
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,360
I like it, it's very nice. 
So that was that was that was 

753
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,760
design Rush Mag put it out, but 
it's actually come from Nike. 

754
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,680
The source is Nike have said 
that themselves. 

755
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,960
When Nike sold lifestyle, it's 
old trend. 

756
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,400
When Nike sold sport, it's old 
identity. 

757
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,520
Trends fade identity last. 
I like it. 

758
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,480
The other thing I would say 
about Nike is well is they're 

759
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,120
the they're the behemoth, 
they're the man Everest. 

760
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,640
They're the monster. 
They're the biggest thing in the

761
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:46,200
in the room. 
But then they've just admitted 

762
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,160
we've gone off the track. 
So there's actually no need for 

763
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,560
them to ever look over their 
shoulder. 

764
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,680
Yeah. 
Because if you're, if you're the

765
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,000
biggest and, and that's it's a 
naive way or a simplistic way of

766
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,600
looking at it, but if you're at 
in front, you can set the 

767
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,920
trends. 
You can now it's hard for you to

768
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,440
turn. 
It's like I always talk about 

769
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,480
this. 
I work for a radio station now 

770
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,760
when the radio station can't 
pivot like a podcast can, radio 

771
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,360
station's got, it's like turning
the Titanic versus turning a jet

772
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,000
ski. 
You, you're not that 

773
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,160
manoeuvrable with that's a 
disadvantage of working for a 

774
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,440
big company as opposed to being 
an independent. 

775
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,640
You don't have the 
manoeuvrability, but sometimes 

776
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,160
you don't, the moment you start 
to make a turn, all of a sudden 

777
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,640
it it can affect you for a very 
long time like that. 

778
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,600
So yeah, I like that. 
It sums up Nike. 

779
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,040
I didn't really notice Nike that
much across the marathon. 

780
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,920
I would say the other brand I 
noticed quite a bit was New 

781
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,480
Balance. 
I thought New Balance did a 

782
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,000
pretty nice job. 
And obviously where did they 

783
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:38,880
show up? 
Obviously I went to the 

784
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,280
Unofficial. 
They partnered with Unofficial 

785
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,520
and that's about buying 
audience. 

786
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,680
Essentially, they went and found
a run club in Unofficial with a 

787
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,960
big audience and bought it. 
They bought the audience, they 

788
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,400
did, they bought the audience, 
and as a result I saw a lot of 

789
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,840
New Balance because it was 
something I got involved in, so 

790
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,800
I saw a lot of it. 
Hey, you said you got a a goodie

791
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:56,640
bag. 
Yes. 

792
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:57,560
Do you want to know what was in 
it? 

793
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,920
Yeah, I do. 
So this was from that run. 

794
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,520
New Balance supplied. 
Yep. 

795
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:08,640
So within that you got some 
Blistex, some lip balm, some 

796
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,800
Epsom salts, magnesium salts for
your bath. 

797
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,000
Yeah, you got some protein 
gummies from Nature's Farm. 

798
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,200
Yep, you got some powdered hot 
chocolate. 

799
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:25,680
And that was about it, right? 
In a in a New Balance. 

800
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,640
In a New Balance bag. 
Now, having said that, the New 

801
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,040
Balance satchel bag, you know, 
it's like what? 

802
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:36,160
You get a lot of athletic events
slung over everyone's shoulder. 

803
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,360
Again, branding seemed like it 
was everywhere. 

804
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,880
Yeah, branding. 
But the activation down there, 

805
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,880
you got those food and there was
drinking it was it? 

806
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,080
It felt, I did think it felt 
almost like you'd run the event.

807
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,120
It did feel a little bit cut 
before the horse type stuff of 

808
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,280
like, oh, I feel like I've 
already run the marathon and 

809
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,160
this is the post event event or 
post race event. 

810
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,520
But no, again, well done to all 
the brands that activated. 

811
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,560
I thought that everything I saw.
Reflected the mood of the city 

812
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,920
and built on the mood of the 
city and the excitement about 

813
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,320
this race that happened on the 
Sunday. 

814
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,520
So Yep, it's fantastic. 
Hey, from a few weeks back, 

815
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,680
we'll keep on the shoe train 
here at the moment. 

816
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:16,680
So Adidas, Adidas were they had 
that thing to break the world, 

817
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,440
the challenge 100 to break the 
world record. 

818
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:20,720
They break the world record. 
Let's just say that. 

819
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,080
Yep. 
The shoe that came out Evo Prime

820
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,120
X, yes man, it's wild, and I 
love the fact they're using 

821
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,440
still Valtteri bought house as 
their main antagonist or 

822
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,720
protagonist in it all and he's I
think he's I saw him doing 

823
00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:38,000
something else there. 
Now they've just dropped off the

824
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:42,800
back of UT MB, a new aggrove. 
We've never been able to say 

825
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,440
I've never been able to say that
name the the terror, the trail 

826
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,680
shoot. 
What I love is it came out, you 

827
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,400
know, when they've got a new car
and they don't want to show the 

828
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,200
prototype of a car and it's got 
all the black. 

829
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,920
Yeah, literally, like camouflage
black triangles all over it. 

830
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,000
That was the shoe. 
That's actually it was like, 

831
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,320
that's clever. 
It was really, really clever, so

832
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,120
good on you for that one. 
But yeah, I just wanted to touch

833
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,320
on that because I know we. 
They broke the they broke the 

834
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:10,520
100 hundred record chasing 100. 
I still look, yeah, I have. 

835
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,000
It hasn't come up in my 
algorithm. 

836
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,480
No, so they they they haven't 
really made. 

837
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,720
I was way more impressed with 
the triangles on the shoe. 

838
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:18,960
The shoe. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

839
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,720
And talking about and then 
talking about Kendall. 

840
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:23,240
Lloyd Yes, my mate from the 
Expo. 

841
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,800
Look, we know you've got this 
target of trying to break 40, 

842
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,600
yes, for your 10K, which is a 
great target. 

843
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,000
I think I know when I might try 
and do it too. 

844
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:33,680
What? 
Was that? 

845
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,960
T100. 
On the Gold Coast, there's. 

846
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,680
A 10K race as part of the T100 
when it comes here in March, 

847
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,960
because I feel like I can't. 
You got to do it in a race. 

848
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,720
Flat, flat course, Flat course, 
Flat course. 

849
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:49,320
I can't just go out and do it on
the front, I need to do it in a 

850
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:50,360
race anyway. 
Keep. 

851
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,480
Away a little bit of 
encouragement from Kendall. 

852
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:59,440
OK we had what date was this? 
24th of August Australian race 

853
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,520
walking Junior championships 
were on Liam. 

854
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:06,440
I don't like this already. 
OK, in the men's Isaac B Croft, 

855
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,040
he's walked a 3855. 
No, he hasn't. 

856
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,280
He's run that. 
He's run that. 

857
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,080
Yeah, can't run it. 
You can't walk a 3850 the. 

858
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,120
Junior Australian champion Liam 
has done this walking. 

859
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,480
I think you need to move your 
target. 

860
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:31,400
Oh, what to what to what? 
I have had so many people tell 

861
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,680
me. 
Give you advice. 

862
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,760
Try and tell me how to break 40 
minutes. 

863
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,680
Where would you like a little 
bit more of that Yeah take. 

864
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,360
So Darren Wallace I see runs out
in Narang a little bit. 

865
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:45,840
He shared his 10K advice feeling
so he recently got his 10 KPB at

866
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,200
the GC30 with a 3951 well done 
dad. 

867
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,240
Then he ran the the GC Mara and 
got the same exactly the same 

868
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:54,960
time as Mara. 
So his strategy he said was 

869
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:59,000
spicy park runs with a mid rig 
threshold, a long run and a bit 

870
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,720
of MTV. 
I can sort that out with my 

871
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:02,600
clear bike. 
If you ever want to join in Liam

872
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:07,680
and a gym session, Parky was a 
warm up look. 

873
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,280
Over time it look well like what
we said, it's progression over 

874
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:11,960
time. 
He increased the 350 pace, 

875
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:18,200
eventually hitting the sub sub 
2030 for his park runs, using 

876
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,360
people around just to keep, you 
know, slowly getting better. 

877
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,240
Midweek he'd do a 15 minute warm
up 3 * 2 KS. 

878
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:29,960
So that's a solid, very solid 
session and no longer than 90 

879
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,960
minutes on his easy run. 
OK. 

880
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,920
He did the Wash Pool. 
Remember that run? 

881
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,000
We're talking about the Wash 
Pool Ultra which was down in 

882
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,440
Coffs Harbour as my local race a
few weeks back. 

883
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:47,120
So he's obviously putting in the
Keeler now, 50 years old, 89 KG,

884
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:51,080
always wears his shirts on, 
shirt on just to mention. 

885
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,320
And then the final, just to give
you a little bit more 

886
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,000
motivation, he forgot to mention
he did 1 high rocks last year 

887
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,200
and. 
He did a high rocks. 

888
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,640
Yeah, because he's a high hybrid
rock star. 

889
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:03,000
Yeah, hybrid rock star. 
That's almost That's at 

890
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,600
1,000,000 views by the way, that
reel of us, which is insane. 

891
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:08,240
Well, there's something in it, 
right? 

892
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:10,840
And we weren't talking about 
running exactly right, something

893
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,840
else. 
But anyway, he's, yeah, lost, 

894
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,080
lost your encouragement of how 
to do it. 

895
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,440
But there's been plenty of 
people trying to help you out, 

896
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,000
Liam. 
Well, I'll jump into it right 

897
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:23,200
then because I am still running.
Well, I'm feeling and I had 

898
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:24,560
another crack at Deke's 
quarters. 

899
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,360
Yep, for those improvements. 
Improvements. 

900
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:28,680
Oh good. 
Yep, improvements. 

901
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,240
My execution score in fact, from
my Garmin was 81%. 

902
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:38,600
It basically like it's so I've, 
I've got this as a workout set 

903
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,280
on my Garmin with the my speed 
ranges. 

904
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,120
And so the execution score at 
the end of your run determines 

905
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,320
how well you executed the 
workout. 

906
00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:51,360
I failed on I think on the 8th. 
I'm just bringing it up in front

907
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:57,720
of me while we talk about it. 
So my I was averaging 120 nines 

908
00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:03,200
one 30s on my 4 hundreds. 
I was keeping it sub 55 on my 

909
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:08,520
recoveries the two hundreds and 
then but on the 8th Rep I popped

910
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:10,840
I was cooked. 
So I didn't actually complete 

911
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,600
the app 8th Rep but next time I 
will. 

912
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:14,640
Complete the app, you'll 
complete it. 

913
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,320
So you, well, you, this is the 
thing, right? 

914
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,720
You're starting to get, you're 
starting to understand where the

915
00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:21,880
limit is on the time, and you'll
be able to adjust. 

916
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,880
Totally AM, and I'm also 
starting to understand the 

917
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,880
feeling I get during these 
sessions. 

918
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,520
So for context for people, first
time I did these D squatters. 

919
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:31,680
Now again to just backtrack and 
catch people up a little bit so 

920
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,160
they don't have to go back to 
when we first started talking 

921
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,720
about this. 
I had been doing the 400 metre 

922
00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:39,320
reps with 100 metre walks in 
between. 

923
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,400
You said fine, but here's a 
better set. 

924
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,480
You introduced me to the concept
of the D like the 4th Rep by the

925
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,760
4th Rep with the 400 into a 200 
float, I was tired like I was 

926
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:56,280
proper tied this Deke's effort 
just gone at the end of my 6th 

927
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,520
Rep I my legs were like felt 
lactic. 

928
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:04,960
I'm like this is this is tiring 
like I've hit at next level. 

929
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,280
So I still managed to get 
through the recovery on the 6th 

930
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:10,400
Rep or the float on the 6th Rep 
and through the 7th Rep 

931
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,000
maintaining speed, but by it was
literally almost like my 7th Rep

932
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,520
at that pace I was aiming for 
and then the float I was done. 

933
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,400
I was like, I know this is my 
last Rep. 

934
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:21,560
I'll try to start the 8th Rep, 
but really I don't have anything

935
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,080
left to give. 
So and then it was interesting 

936
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,320
though, 'cause I still have a, a
10 minute cooldown programmed 

937
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:32,320
into the workout, cooling down 
at that might like 520 pace sort

938
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,920
of thing. 
Feels like I'm stumbling, feels 

939
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,560
like I'm like, I feel like I'm 
almost running 630 pace. 

940
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:44,960
But it's amazing how quickly I 
got my breath back and adapted 

941
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,840
at 520 times move on and just 
and just then rolled out through

942
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,320
the 10 minutes. 
Think of think of the 

943
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,120
conversation you're going to 
have at the Gold Coast Marathon 

944
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:56,680
start line next year with Deke 
instead of going. 

945
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,280
I might, my calves are gone. 
I've been doing your session all

946
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,840
year. 
Would you believe that I did 

947
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,360
Deke's toothbrush technique this
morning as I was brushing my 

948
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,120
teeth at 3:30 this morning 
before I went into the radio 

949
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,240
show, I'm there and my calves 
going, Deke says. 

950
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:12,240
You've got to be able to hold it
on my leg in the morning and 

951
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:13,320
hold it on the other leg in the.
Evening. 

952
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,960
Hey, I'm packing that watch 
thing you're talking about 

953
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,600
because I've never in my life 
programme my watch to a session.

954
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,760
Really. 
So listeners will be have AI 

955
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,280
reckon a voice on this as well? 
I've never thought to programme 

956
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,640
my watch into the thing, but I 
was running, we were running 

957
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,800
fart like at the Spit on 
Tuesday. 

958
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,320
And Chloe, shout out. 
Chloe, I think she got, I was 

959
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,800
told she got ninth in the 
women's cross country Australian

960
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,560
championships just recently too.
So the first bit of the session 

961
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,320
I was running along next to her 
and it her and she said, oh 

962
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,000
don't worry, my watch is gonna 
keep beeping. 

963
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,240
Yeah. 
So she was set on a set time. 

964
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:55,960
The problem was I was on a cycle
about 7 seconds earlier because 

965
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,480
of the pause on my watch. 
So it threw me a bit and I said 

966
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,240
no let's run for with you. 
But it got me thinking. 

967
00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:03,840
I said, how quickly can you pump
one of these sessions in, Dear 

968
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:04,680
Wall? 
It's so easy, man. 

969
00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:07,640
It's so easy. 
Even when there was so we were 

970
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,000
doing the other the other run we
mentioned Monofal. 

971
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,400
Yeah, so there's a. 
Fair bit to that. 

972
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,200
Two 90s to four 60s, Four 30s 
like. 

973
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,400
So, well, it's sorry if. 
Someone hasn't done like I have 

974
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:20,760
never done this so explain to 
me. 

975
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,920
Do you want to know? 
OK, quick background on it. 

976
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:28,520
Do you know why I know how to do
this is because Reedy used to be

977
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,040
a garment ambassador and so and 
Reedy's obviously a friend, but 

978
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,840
I also follow him on his socials
and he used to, I think two 

979
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,240
years ago, three years ago, 
Reedy started up a run club on 

980
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:41,640
Instagram and was taking people 
through sessions and every 

981
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,120
session he would programme on 
his garment and he would show 

982
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,640
you how to do it. 
So it's literally paid by 

983
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,760
numbers instruction type stuff, 
which is why I know how to do it

984
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,120
now. 
It's very like it's literally, 

985
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,880
and I'll bring it up here. 
You go into if you're using 

986
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,040
Garmin, that's what I use. 
So you do it off your. 

987
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:02,000
Off the phone, you build it on 
your phone as a workout and then

988
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,240
you update your phone and it 
goes OK so and then it updates. 

989
00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:09,360
So straight away I thought you 
were there with your watch like 

990
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,440
trying to. 
You might be able to do it like 

991
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:12,640
that. 
I don't think you can. 

992
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,360
I think you need to build it in 
the Garmin app before you upload

993
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,280
it. 
But that's so quick and easy. 

994
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:23,640
And the thing for me, I've been 
guilty of interestingly, and 

995
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,600
again, all running is good 
running. 

996
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,040
I was guilty for a few years 
probably prior to moving up here

997
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:34,440
on the Gold Coast of just rinse 
and repeating 10 KS and Clint 

998
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,480
Kimmons last week talked about 
Junk Miles right and didn't say 

999
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,080
they were bad. 
Junk makes it sound like they're

1000
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:40,640
bad, but it's not. 
It's just. 

1001
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,240
But if you're training for 
something, it might be 

1002
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:47,080
inefficient. 
I was guilty for a long time of 

1003
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,560
just running. 
I was running pretty standard 

1004
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,240
10K like in with no particular 
goal or ambition. 

1005
00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:57,840
And and you know, in hindsight, 
the running I was doing was 

1006
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,240
never going to help me improve 
as a runner. 

1007
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:01,800
It was just running, but I loved
running. 

1008
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,800
So I was just doing running now 
for me. 

1009
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,200
And Andy talked about he never 
runs. 

1010
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,360
He runs to effort, right? 
He doesn't bad. 

1011
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,800
But if you're a certain level of
runner, imagine you can run to 

1012
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,240
effort. 
You know, Michael Shelley talked

1013
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:17,040
the same thing about running to 
effort, not running to time. 

1014
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,400
I'm not like that. 
I need a reminder. 

1015
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,920
I've got a rough idea of how I 
feel, but I need, you want to 

1016
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,680
keep a check. 
I need to keep a check on it. 

1017
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:30,600
And so by having these 
programmes, these sessions, when

1018
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:34,120
I'm doing them, it helps me run 
better, train better. 

1019
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:37,320
And that's probably a good way 
to use technology as a goal, 

1020
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:41,600
like until you, I think over 
time the goal would be to 

1021
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,960
understand, using the technology
to understand, to get that feel.

1022
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,520
And then hopefully eventually 
you don't need the watch because

1023
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,800
you know, you intuitively know 
the feel. 

1024
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,120
Well, that is the goal. 
That's so and I agree that is 

1025
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,920
the goal. 
By comparison, for example, the 

1026
00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:01,120
other run I've done this week, I
did the Dave Flay wildlife loop 

1027
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:02,880
around the boardwalk through 
Berlin, around the front. 

1028
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,040
I actually ran it because one of
the listeners in chat at Pete, 

1029
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,960
who's a listener of the podcast,
tagged me after one of my runs 

1030
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,520
on Strava and said, hey, we're 
coming up to the Gold Coast. 

1031
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,160
He and his wife sometime soon, 
school holidays, I think. 

1032
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,800
Would you be able to run the 
burly loop? 

1033
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,320
What to show me so we can see 
where it is? 

1034
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,480
So I went out and ran it the 
other day and I tagged him in. 

1035
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:23,560
I said. 
You're a good man. 

1036
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:24,880
There you go. 
Go for, run and it's. 

1037
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,800
It is one of the great loops. 
Now you're on, you know, you 

1038
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,960
know, now you're on premium. 
You can actually just draw the 

1039
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,080
loop. 
I've got to stay with my I've 

1040
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:37,080
got to stay with my people. 
But to that right, my garment at

1041
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,120
that point tells me and it gives
me daily suggestions based on 

1042
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,440
all the stuff. 
But it told me run slow for 40 

1043
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,640
minutes, no faster than 5 
fifteens or whatever. 

1044
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,520
But I just ran that to effort. 
I just put my I was in my non 

1045
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,920
carbon plate, carbon rod shoes. 
I was in my gel Cayanos and I 

1046
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,880
just ran that to effort. 
Now that's got some hills in it.

1047
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,320
It's got some downhills in it. 
It's got a bit of trails, got 

1048
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:58,800
some boardwalk. 
So there's all variety of 

1049
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,560
things. 
But I just ran that to effort. 

1050
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,360
Now interestingly as I came 
round the back Flat Rd section 

1051
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,720
of that I actually started to 
feel and came around the back of

1052
00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:10,360
the Tally Creek. 
I got quite tight in my calves. 

1053
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,720
So I really like almost to the 
point where pulled off running 

1054
00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:15,960
on my toes and it was a bit of 
heel striking. 

1055
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:21,240
So and again running to effort 
pulled back consequently took 

1056
00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:23,720
yesterday off. 
I went to Riggs recovery. 

1057
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:26,520
I did the hot and cold. 
I'm into the I'm I'm, I'm more 

1058
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,040
like non recovery now, Courtney.
He's been spending too much time

1059
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,880
over there at the Suns, 
watching, listening to the boys 

1060
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,200
about their recovery. 
So yeah, so thank you, everybody

1061
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,760
offering me 10K advice, feel 
free to keep sending it through.

1062
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,200
I'm filtering in the stuff I 
like. 

1063
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:40,320
I'm filtering out the stuff I 
don't. 

1064
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,840
One more on the 10K. 
So this Angus Crisp sent this 

1065
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,760
in. 
There's a guy advan anger. 

1066
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,040
Yeah, somewhere over in the 
Scandinavian countries, I 

1067
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:55,200
believe. 100K guy turns on 10K 
in 3137. 

1068
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,640
It's pretty impressive A. 100. 
Kilos, no 100K guy you can look 

1069
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,120
at you click on the link there 
and you can see him 100K guy has

1070
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:07,120
run 10K in 3137 in a fun run 
like it's not when I say a fun 

1071
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:11,400
run in a run like not around a 
track either, that is that's 

1072
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,680
Clydesdale impressive. 
Flag on the play. 

1073
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,280
For everybody out there 
listening to this, what's he's 6

1074
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,200
foot 4? 
I think that needs to be 

1075
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,480
stressed, right? 
Because in my head when I hear 

1076
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,880
100 kilos, I'm thinking someone 
my size of 100, right? 

1077
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,560
I'm 5/8. 
This bloke is 6/4. 

1078
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:35,400
So Yep, it's I'm not taking 
anything away from it, but he I 

1079
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,800
don't know if I'm actually happy
with him classifying as a 

1080
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,480
Clydesdale 'cause he is just 6 
foot 4 of. 

1081
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,440
He's just got a big. 
Frame. 

1082
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:46,280
He's just got a big frame, you 
know, like that's he just looks 

1083
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,880
like a big framed athlete. 
That's not AI. 

1084
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,040
Don't in fact, no ADVENT get 
stuffed. 

1085
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,960
I'm not happy about it. 
Edwin anger you. 

1086
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,320
I don't care. 
You don't you're not really 100K

1087
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:57,760
athlete. 
You're just a big unit. 

1088
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,320
Yeah, not happy about it. 
Hey, quickly, where where, where

1089
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:03,760
are you at? 
Have we, I can't remember. 

1090
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,920
We've hit a point now where I 
can't remember the things we've 

1091
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,920
talked about on podcast and off 
podcast. 

1092
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,280
Have we talked about we've? 
Probably seen each other a bit 

1093
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:11,800
more than usual in the past two 
weeks. 

1094
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,680
Have look, I said earlier on I 
had a little scare. 

1095
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:16,040
Here we go. 
Let's talk about it. 

1096
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,320
Let's. 
Start there because like we in 

1097
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,040
the down there in Sydney in the 
live podcast when Andy broke the

1098
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,480
news, he's had a femoral stress 
fracture very similar to what. 

1099
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,480
He said he didn't have a stress 
fracture yet. 

1100
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:29,240
Sorry, stress reaction. 
Yes, yeah, sorry. 

1101
00:54:29,240 --> 00:54:30,560
That's what comes before the 
fracture. 

1102
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:36,160
Very low grade stress reaction 
and mine was only a reaction 

1103
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:37,400
too. 
There was no fracture. 

1104
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,240
But I've been going through that
for a long time. 

1105
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,040
I'd been back. 
Let's in context, I've kind of 

1106
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:47,080
slowly got back from that injury
to the point where then I'd been

1107
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:51,560
able to put together 4 weeks at,
you know, probably an average of

1108
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,280
about 85 K each week. 
So I started at 70. 

1109
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,720
I think I hit 90 on the 4th 
week. 

1110
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:02,240
I then went to run the following
week, which would have been last

1111
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:08,000
week, sorry, two weeks ago and I
had that exact same feeling, 

1112
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:14,040
Andy explained of. 
I just feel like my abductor 

1113
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:18,000
just just there's a little 
strain or something not right, 

1114
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,320
right? 
It's the same thing I felt when 

1115
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,400
I initially had this problem. 
And because I'd never 

1116
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,840
experienced before, I never knew
what the feeling was. 

1117
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:30,520
Now I'm so acutely aware. 
I was like, Oh no, I look back 

1118
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,160
at, you know, and I thought, 
shit, if I overloaded this too 

1119
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,120
quick, what's going on? 
So what I did, I took three days

1120
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,520
off, OK, just stopped and was 
happy to stop. 

1121
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,880
And this is just before we went 
down to Sydney and then Andy 

1122
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,960
told us this news. 
So at that point I hadn't run in

1123
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,800
three days. 
I was going to give it the 

1124
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,360
Friday off as well, and then I 
came back on the Saturday and I 

1125
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,640
just went out here on the road 
around the home and then 6K, 

1126
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,480
very easy just to see what it 
was. 

1127
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,640
Now that what didn't feel great,
that 6K either, it was because a

1128
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,560
bit gummy. 
I'd run for four days and 

1129
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,320
whatever, but it seemed to have 
been OK and loosen out. 

1130
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,480
So then on the Sunday I went, 
OK, let's go out to the Bush, 

1131
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,560
out to the forest trails and 
see. 

1132
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,400
Let's just go by field and see 
how it goes. 

1133
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,160
I'll run with a few people, so 
my mind will be off it because 

1134
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:18,520
maybe I'm just overthinking 
this. 

1135
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,760
Have you do you? 
You're a cricketer, A bit of a 

1136
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,240
cricketer, yes. 
I'm going to drop a name here. 

1137
00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:26,960
Or international cricketer just 
quickly you representative 

1138
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,240
Vanuatu. 
Well, so you may have played him

1139
00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:33,480
before, do you know? 
Yeah, Johan, both Johan, both 

1140
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,760
absolutely South African, was 
also the captain coach of the 

1141
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,680
Adelaide Strikers. 
So he's BL. 

1142
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,440
He's now Big Bash coach of 
Brisbane. 

1143
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,400
Yep, he so he came out for a run
with us in the trails. 

1144
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:49,840
He's a weapon. 
He ultra dude, Yeah, but yeah. 

1145
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,160
What was your spinner? 
He's. 

1146
00:56:51,240 --> 00:56:52,480
Yeah, he's been. 
Because you know you're 

1147
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:53,720
cricketer. 
Yeah, I know you're Botha. 

1148
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,800
Did you play him when you when 
you represented? 

1149
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,760
When I represented Vanuatu I was
living over in the country and a

1150
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,200
touring Victorian club side came
for a tour. 

1151
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:03,720
I played one. 
Day you didn't play. 

1152
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,720
I did not play. 
South Africa at any stage. 

1153
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,560
No, at no point did I, my 
cricketing talents take me 

1154
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:13,680
anywhere beyond my school 11. 
So yeah, we went, I was out in 

1155
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,240
the Bush, I had around with even
my brother. 

1156
00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:17,080
And so it was good because 
we're, you know, you're just 

1157
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:18,520
talking and you get your mind 
off it. 

1158
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,360
I got through it. 
Everything seemed fine. 

1159
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,880
I then took Monday off again off
the back of that because I 

1160
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,280
thought, shit, I got through a 
long run, let's just take 

1161
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,440
another day off. 
And then Tuesday morning 

1162
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:33,040
Fartlett came along and I had 
the best feeling running I've 

1163
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,600
had in a year all. 
Right. 

1164
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,960
Doesn't like touch wood, doesn't
seem to, you know, nothing's the

1165
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:43,840
hip, thing's gone. 
It must have just been a 

1166
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,280
hopefully a false alarm, a 
little fandom who knows what. 

1167
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,200
Maybe I just overdid it, I'm not
sure. 

1168
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,160
But Tuesday, best feeling I've 
had in a year. 

1169
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,440
Ran on in the session, Felt 
great. 

1170
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,400
Did you have the flow? 
Had the flow the. 

1171
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:00,840
Flow. 
Did you have the flow at the 

1172
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:02,600
flow? 
Did you find Flow? 

1173
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,200
Down freedom. 
Freedom. 

1174
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:08,600
Is that even more wanky than 
flight? 

1175
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,000
It is, but I like it. 
I understand what you said. 

1176
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,120
Coming out with the big words, 
yes, I knocked along for 20 

1177
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,600
minute monitor, I think 
averaging about 3:30. 

1178
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:18,400
Through the. 
So yeah. 

1179
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,120
We're back, so you're back. 
I might still say back, but. 

1180
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,120
This is great, though there was 
a scare. 

1181
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,160
But it's good to for everyone to
hear the process because like, 

1182
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,040
I'm a lot more aware of it now. 
Yeah. 

1183
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,800
And the first thing I did was, 
OK, let's just de stress on 

1184
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:33,520
this. 
I've got through a good four 

1185
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,600
weeks. 
Yeah, take some time, come back,

1186
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:40,960
reassess and and Yep, look, to 
be really honest, if I took a 

1187
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,760
like a umbrella or like a 
helicopter view of that now, I 

1188
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,080
would just say probably like 4 
weeks. 

1189
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,240
I just needed a rest. 
Yeah, just body one of them. 

1190
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,800
And I and I took the rest and 
I've come back so I forget about

1191
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,800
injury or anything else. 
It's just purely a training. 

1192
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,040
So like now I'm gonna probably 
be more aware of that. 

1193
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,440
I might do three weeks again and
I might just take a week a bit 

1194
00:58:58,440 --> 00:58:58,960
easier. 
Yeah. 

1195
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,920
Yeah. 
Look, I think it's great for the

1196
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,560
podcast because there was a 
little hint there that we were 

1197
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,800
becoming the injury prone 
podcast. 

1198
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:07,280
Oh don't worry mate, I was 
shitting myself. 

1199
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:12,360
I like I I and and and not 
because of the podcast. 

1200
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:16,640
Not because of the podcast, one,
because of my mental health. 

1201
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,960
I was like, I cannot, I can't do
another long step on the 

1202
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,440
sidelines. 
I love running's awesome. 

1203
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,760
I love running. 
Yeah, especially like getting 

1204
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,480
out in the Bush and that just by
myself running. 

1205
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:28,920
So that was the first thing. 
The second thing was I've got a 

1206
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,720
few things coming up running 
that we'll get into later in the

1207
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:32,200
year. 
Yeah. 

1208
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,560
I just can't get injured again. 
I need to be. 

1209
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,160
Here to stay fit. 
That's where we are. 

1210
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,680
You know you, that whole idea of
taking a rest or having a break,

1211
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,480
I think last it must have been 
last week. 

1212
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:48,200
Interestingly, just a quick one 
going back a week, my my load's 

1213
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,200
been building really nicely. 
I've been, I sort of, I went 

1214
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,800
through a three week build of 
getting up, get up to a sort of 

1215
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:59,200
went from 45 KS to I think I got
up to just shy 60 KS and feeling

1216
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,640
great and getting the runs in 
and making it work. 

1217
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:06,560
And then I had a week where I I 
didn't, I had football. 

1218
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,440
I had two late night games of 
football. 

1219
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,680
Into the radio show the next 
morning, which meant I was 

1220
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,640
working on about 3 hours sleep 
both those nights. 

1221
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,000
Then we had some radio stuff 
going on in the afternoons, 

1222
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,360
which meant basically I for 
about a 4-5 day stretch I was 

1223
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:19,760
working on an average of four 
hours sleep. 

1224
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:20,840
A not yeah. 
Not good. 

1225
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:22,040
Not. 
Enough, right? 

1226
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:25,080
And I've watched enough 
influencers tell me how 

1227
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,440
important sleep is. 
It's, it is, it's important 

1228
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,720
because I went to try and go. 
I went for a run. 

1229
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,680
This is before we flew out to 
Sydney. 

1230
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:37,120
I just got through 5K like I 
said and it wasn't because it 

1231
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:38,200
was. 
Nothing was injured. 

1232
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:41,040
You just. 
I just, I was just, my body was 

1233
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,560
like, Nah. 
And I'd been running well and, 

1234
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,080
you know, I was running, you 
know, but I just couldn't. 

1235
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:50,200
I could only finish five KS and 
I ended up walking home and it 

1236
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,720
was just my body saying you're 
not sleeping enough. 

1237
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,600
That's when I got heaps of 
sleeping in and around the 

1238
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,760
podcast when we were in Sydney 
and I woke up on that Saturday 

1239
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,680
morning of my birthday and did 
21 KS like it was nothing 

1240
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,920
because I got some, got some 
recovery. 

1241
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:13,280
But yeah, the I am now the the 
injury stuff is I'm so hyper 

1242
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:17,240
aware of I the other day when I 
went to go for a run, I said to 

1243
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,440
Alana, I was at home and I was 
putting my shoes on. 

1244
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,680
I was kind of went, I don't know
if I really want to go for this 

1245
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,520
run. 
And she turned and she said, but

1246
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,640
you do a running podcast, so you
have to. 

1247
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,800
I was like, yeah, it's kind of 
true. 

1248
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,480
It's meant to be like, kind of 
true. 

1249
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,120
That's good motivation. 
Yeah, it was. 

1250
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,280
It's good motivation. 
Now what are we at? 

1251
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:35,800
Local race. 
Local race. 

1252
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,200
This will be when we're coming 
out on Saturday. 

1253
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:39,560
So this is more just a shout 
out. 

1254
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:45,160
Dave Want shared this with me 
down at so I run quite often 

1255
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,360
down from around the coral area 
and my beach runs easy run. 

1256
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:52,800
So down at locally at Cora on 
this Saturday, which I believe 

1257
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:57,480
is what's this Saturday? 
6th Yep. 7th. 

1258
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,880
They're doing a 10 by 10 
challenge, you know, so we'll 

1259
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,400
put it in the show now. 
No, that's on next. 

1260
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,400
That's on the 13th. 
Have I some thought You've got 

1261
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,280
you're awake, but this is good. 
You're giving people a heads up.

1262
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:07,600
Well. 
If you want to go and join. 

1263
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,880
It yeah, you can see how much. 
No, no, no, it's good. 

1264
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,000
The 10 by 10 challenge. 10 by 10
challenge. 

1265
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,040
So what starts at 5:00 AM? 
Yep. 

1266
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,240
And they're doing it for some, 
Schumann for some. 

1267
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:22,480
I don't know if there's a 
charitable element element, no, 

1268
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,160
just think it's event. 
They're just doing it for 

1269
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:25,280
themselves. 
Good on them. 

1270
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:29,040
That's what it should be and 
they're going to do so 10 

1271
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,440
kilometres every hour on the 
hour. 

1272
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,120
The 10 hours is a goal, so they 
go. 

1273
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,520
You can do it in teams, but 
there is also the solar element,

1274
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,760
so we'll put the link if you're 
interested in that. 

1275
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,760
We'll put the link in the show 
notes. 10 Could you do that? 

1276
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:49,240
I don't want to. 
I actually thought like in all 

1277
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:54,960
honesty, like it's AI love 
everyone's and you know, we love

1278
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,560
to hear about everyone's events.
We do with that often comes. 

1279
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,840
Do you want to come and do it? 
Nope, we got that on the 

1280
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:03,120
weekend. 
I've got to be better at just 

1281
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,320
saying no. 
We got that on the weekend from 

1282
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:08,960
the feller after the pod at 
Bondi, Icebergs dining room said

1283
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,440
You guys want to run a Bondi to 
Berry the 420K ride. 

1284
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:14,480
That's it. 
Oh, the ride. 

1285
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,360
Yeah, that's right. 
I was having this discussion 

1286
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,960
about riding the other day 
because I'm heading overseas and

1287
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,280
my mates who I'm heading over 
with, they're taking bikes with 

1288
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:28,480
them because triathletes want to
ride on the road and I'm like, I

1289
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:30,600
haven't ridden on the road so 
why would I want to go on 

1290
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,720
holidays to ride on the road? 
I don't even do that here at 

1291
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,640
home. 
I worked out I haven't ridden my

1292
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:39,920
road bike since pre COVID. 
Wow. 

1293
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:45,920
So Noosa try, just be aware if 
you ever ask me to ride my road 

1294
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:47,840
bike, I could be a danger to 
everyone involved. 

1295
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:49,960
So like obviously ride every 
week on my mountain bike. 

1296
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:51,800
But yeah, as far as Rd riding 
goes. 

1297
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:55,360
I know you don't like it when I 
tease things that aren't 

1298
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,280
organised and I am guilty of 
teasing things that we haven't 

1299
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:02,080
actually organised and then they
never come to fruition and 

1300
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:05,680
that's on me. 
This tease is going to happen 

1301
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:11,760
because we've already started. 
If you love your running, you'll

1302
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,840
want to hear this. 
If you love your writing, you'll

1303
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,320
want to hear this. 
And if you love your swimming, 

1304
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:22,760
you'll want to hear this. 
It starts next week. 

1305
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:25,880
Are you not going to tell me 
more now? 

1306
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:28,200
Something, well, I'll tell you 
what, here's what we'll do. 

1307
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:32,680
Make sure you're subscribed. 
If you're one of the people who 

1308
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:37,040
listens and isn't subscribed, 
subscribe because the trailer, 

1309
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:38,680
let's call it a trailer or a 
sizzle reel. 

1310
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,120
What's coming next? 
Our Rd. 

1311
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,360
Our Road to Gold Coast Marathon 
was so successful and so well 

1312
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,440
received that we're on the road 
to somewhere different this 

1313
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,480
time. 
So Wednesday apps are coming 

1314
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,040
back. 
Wednesday apps are are 

1315
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:52,840
returning. 
We'll tell you more.