1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,320 In the beginning at 24. Have you heard of Jelly Roll? 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:04,920 Do you know Jelly Roll? You're in radio. 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:06,840 He's a singer, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 4 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,920 Rapper now does country. But who's got the tattoos all 5 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,000 over his face? Bloody cool. 6 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:13,960 What's the song? What's his big? 7 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,920 I'm thinking of Teddy Swims Teddy. 8 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,360 Swims is that he looks similar though. 9 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:20,480 Similar. Yeah, right. 10 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,920 I think Sinner Sinner boy might have been his first single mate. 11 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:25,720 You're the radio guy. You should be telling me this. 12 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,480 Unless. Anyway, unless ACDC covers him, 13 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,840 I'm not he's. On fire, right? 14 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,840 We we see him everywhere. We know we, you know, we're no 15 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,840 longer the runners who are the geeks in the forest. 16 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,960 No way. When I see this, I know we've, 17 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:45,480 we're, we've made it. And have a listen to Jelly Roll, 18 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:48,840 y'all. It's been a long time since I 19 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,040 came back and just had a straight look at y'all to talk 20 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:52,960 to y'all moment. We were training for our second 21 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:54,920 five KA little bit over a year ago. 22 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,400 I was I literally struggled to walk down my hill to the 23 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,000 mailbox, Y'all. I mean, it was, it was really 24 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:00,600 bad. And I had let myself get to a 25 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,000 point of just being absolutely disgusted with myself. 26 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,160 I was just sick and tired of it. And I was like, man, I'm gonna 27 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,280 figure this out. And about the time I was trying 28 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,240 to find something to motivate me, I seen that Burt and Tom 29 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,680 Segura had teased doing a 5K by May, 5K by May. 30 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,000 And I knew right then that if there was ever a place that I 31 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,080 was gonna feel safe trying to do 1st 5K, it was going to be at 32 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:21,640 the Two Bears 5K. And I was lucky along the path 33 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,280 that I had guys like Ian Laurios, like Gary Brecker, like 34 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,200 Cam Haynes push me and try to help me get across this finish 35 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,640 line for the first time. And I thought I would like to 36 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,240 provide that similar opportunity for people going into this 5K. 37 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,160 So we're going to start our own thing. 38 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,120 I know it's been a lot of talking, but it's what all this 39 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,040 is about is this right here? We're going to start our own 40 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:40,640 thing. We have partnered with Strava. 41 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,040 It's a free app on your phone. And we're going to start a 42 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:44,840 Facebook group. It's going to be called Jelly 43 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,120 Roll Losers Run Club. I want to join. 44 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,680 I want to join. I want to join the Jelly Roll 45 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,400 Losers Run Club. He talked about two bears big 46 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,360 podcast. You know, so these guys are all 47 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,640 in. Yeah, Ronnie is it's here. 48 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,200 It's been here, but it's really here. 49 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,920 It's been here and I think this is I love this. 50 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,800 I love this so much. We've talked about it across 51 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:13,600 every yet we've done that. If it's good, bad or otherwise, 52 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,960 if it's bringing people to running, let's let's give it the 53 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,880 benefit of the doubt, right. I don't love him calling it the 54 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,360 losers run club because inherently I kind of go. 55 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,400 It's not these aren't you're not losers. 56 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,760 You're not that's that's I think you start. 57 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,720 Off on owning it, right? Yeah, I'm I'm fine with him 58 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,880 calling it whatever he wants to if he's he's what, what he is 59 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,920 going to do. And the I suppose these public 60 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:41,440 figures, let's call them getting involved now, it's just going to 61 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,800 it's just going to create more, more hype, more availability for 62 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,120 people to just feel comfortable running right. 63 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:54,040 And that's the key. When you see this kind of, you 64 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,840 know, person, I suppose, or like celebrity out there doing this, 65 00:02:56,920 --> 00:02:58,320 it's going to make it really accessible. 66 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,240 This is. Clearly a guy who is not coming 67 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,400 from a running background, who as he said, he was disgusted in 68 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:10,200 himself and he's overweight and he's now I think and I look, I'm 69 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,240 not going to try and speak to what that is like because I've 70 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:16,200 never been in that situation. I, for the most part have always 71 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,920 been pretty healthy and pretty active. 72 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,040 And at my most unhealthy and most inactive, I was probably 73 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:25,760 still fitter than the average person. 74 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,800 But so I'm not going to try and understand what it is like to 75 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:35,080 come like not come back, but try and motivate yourself when you 76 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:38,480 get to at that stage that Jelly Roll has got to with his fitness 77 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:39,400 and health. Start. 78 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,840 It's yeah, I don't I the mental fortitude it must actually take 79 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,280 to look yourself in the mirror and have that conversation. 80 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:47,880 At that point. I don't understand. 81 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:52,080 So I'm not going to try to, but I can only admire and commend it 82 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,760 because it must be really hard, really, really difficult. 83 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:02,600 I won't share her name, but I had a conversation with somebody 84 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,000 as I was heading out for a trail run on Sunday at Narang. 85 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,920 I was about to start. She was just finishing and she 86 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,600 stopped me and she said I I've literally just finished 87 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:14,680 listening to. She's listening. 88 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,680 Yeah, she's been listening since the start. 89 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:24,160 And we had about a 10 minute conversation and she spoke about 90 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,560 how much she was a she was enjoying the podcast and I, and 91 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,800 then she started telling me about how she was not one of 92 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,520 these athletes at school. She wasn't a runner at school. 93 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,480 She didn't really have an athletic background. 94 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,200 And she's come to running really late. 95 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,760 She just finished listening to last week's episode where you 96 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,120 went through some of that Strava data and the average pace and 97 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,400 all that sort of stuff. And, and we talked about the 98 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,600 idea of slow runners. And she said, that's me. 99 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,120 That's, that's who I am. I'm coming to this running world 100 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,520 light SH. I'm slower than the average time 101 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:05,280 is on Strava. She explained how she's does she 102 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:08,480 does some stuff up in the trails now for with various challenges. 103 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,760 Again, I'm trying to respect her privacy, but I'm not giving away 104 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:15,040 too much about her identity. But she talked about but the the 105 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:20,120 joy that I saw on her face as she explained she's come to 106 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:25,120 running late and she's loving the beginner process like 107 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,200 talking about she doesn't have an aerobic base. 108 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,680 She's building that now. She doesn't have a history of 109 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,960 athletic stuff to draw on. She's building all that now and 110 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,440 going through all these things. So when you and I can, you know, 111 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,240 sometimes casually talk about, you know, us, you know, the 112 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,640 average running pace or you're 430 times and all the rest of 113 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,920 that, that's. She said she loves seeing what 114 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,000 that top end looks like. But for her, that's. 115 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,440 Yeah, that's IOI stuff almost. That's, you know, completely 116 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,800 incomprehensible, But when you look at someone like Jelly 117 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:03,760 rolling to bring it back to this losers run club, I love again. 118 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,000 I can't understand it because it's at the other end of the 119 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,400 scale from where I am, but I love that you've now got this 120 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:14,240 person who is going to open up the world of running even more. 121 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,000 Even more. I think this is going to create 122 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:22,000 problems for five for fun runs and park runs and to another 123 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,840 extent, marathons and half marathons, because the entries 124 00:06:24,840 --> 00:06:29,600 are going to go nuts. Yes, if he targets a marathon or 125 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:34,640 a half marathon or a 10K race in the near future, the entries for 126 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:39,240 these things will go bananas. Yep, which is amazing. 127 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:40,760 It's only going to continue to grow. 128 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:45,240 Now what I will say just quickly, if you're at the pointy 129 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:49,800 end of running, don't get frustrated, don't I? 130 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,920 I'd hate to see it, you know, the I'd hate to see the worm 131 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:59,040 turn and your elites start to, you know, because sometimes when 132 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:03,400 you've got a thing and it's your thing and the, and the 133 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:04,960 community's not massive around there. 134 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:06,280 I get, I get where you're going, do. 135 00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:08,560 You know what I mean? I think there's a I'm going to 136 00:07:08,840 --> 00:07:11,080 talk pretty openly. I think there's a big 137 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:12,720 difference. You know, we talked a lot about 138 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,000 influences on here. There's a big difference where 139 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:21,480 between having someone who's like he's successful in his, in 140 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,640 his own area. He's he's a musician, He's got a 141 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,120 massive following. I think when we looked at the 142 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,240 YouTube, you know, he's got 4 million people following on 143 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:34,440 YouTube. He's coming to running with pure 144 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,880 intentions because he just, he's found it and he loves running. 145 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,280 Yes. That's very, very different to, 146 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:44,080 I think what a lot of the elites get upset about when it's 147 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:49,160 someone who is just I'm going to make running my thing, create 148 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,360 content on running because I want to be famous or I want to 149 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,960 be a celebrity in running. You see the difference? 150 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:57,720 Absolutely. You've nailed it. 151 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,320 So I think be, let's be very, very clear and that's why I've 152 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,040 just shared that and I'm so excited about. 153 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:04,320 It you've nailed it. I I. 154 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,200 Anyone who's successful in their own area and has gone through, 155 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,240 you know, I'm assuming to get to where he is in music, he's had 156 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,160 to face all those challenges in gaol. 157 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:14,600 For a quite a. Long stint, yeah. 158 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,200 And he's of, you know, he's of a talented voice, talented 159 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,400 musician, all these things. He's succeeded at the highest 160 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:24,480 level and now he's coming to join and and be part and it'll 161 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,840 be a fruitful, you know, combination in sport. 162 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:28,040 He's. Walked through the running door 163 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,160 and said yeah this looks. Fun that's very, very different 164 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,400 to someone walking into running going I see this this is 165 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,320 trending. I'm I'm going to now take on 166 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,880 board this. Hey last week I was in the gym 167 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,120 but oh this is bigger now so I'm going to jump over here and do 168 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:43,039 this. Yeah, and. 169 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:44,520 That's what elites have a problem. 170 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,040 With, you can't trust that if something else pops up that 171 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:49,880 becomes interesting, I might not leave. 172 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,200 One step further also, then giving professional advice as if 173 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:55,840 you'd been doing it for 30 years. 174 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:57,960 Jelly roll isn't coming and going. 175 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,840 Hey, I'm going to tell you how to run a sub three hour 176 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,600 marathon, right? He's just asked everyone, anyone 177 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,000 who wants to try and make 5 pay for the first time. 178 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,920 Yeah, come and join us. I I don't know how to do it, but 179 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:10,280 I'm going to try. I'm going to get down to the 180 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,200 letterbox and make it. But now I'm going to be there 181 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,440 struggling with. That's very, very, very 182 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:15,640 different. Scenario that so. 183 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,920 That's why I'll always get behind and I'm excited about 184 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,440 this type of thing that's so good, but also I'll always be 185 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,720 critical of someone coming in with wrong information. 186 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,480 Boom. A lot We're we're we're off to a 187 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,600 good start here today. We're off to a really good start 188 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:29,280 here. Let's keep going. 189 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,880 Let's keep going. OK, let's let's have a listen to 190 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:33,640 something else. And I only show you a small part 191 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,720 of this and I want your opinion on on these says about you. 192 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:39,960 Please don't get mad at me. New Balance. 193 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,080 Your idea of a temple run is a brisk walk and the only type of 194 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:44,760 running you do is errands. ASICS. 195 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,720 You've been running since before Strava was invented. 196 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,440 And you think a super shoe is a sneaker with little Cape on the 197 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:50,560 back. Brooks, this is straight up. 198 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,840 All right, This is good. So it's what what running shoes 199 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,920 say about say about you. We talked a little bit about 200 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,400 like if you turn up to a run club, you know, you look at what 201 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:00,840 shoes they're running. I reckon you can tell. 202 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,760 So I'm going to throw a few brands at you. 203 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,560 OK, go. And then I want you to think 204 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:06,360 what that says. Let's start with the big one, 205 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:10,160 Nike. So as you do this, I'm going to 206 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:14,080 close my eyes and imagine somebody at a running group in a 207 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:15,120 pair of Nikes. All right. 208 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,400 Are you just going to give me the brand or a specific type of 209 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:18,520 shoe? Within that, no, no, I'm just 210 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,160 going to give you just brands. I've got a few brands to throw 211 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,400 at you and I just. I want you to come back. 212 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,280 Yeah, we're, we're playing a game. 213 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:26,680 We're joking. We're joking. 214 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:27,520 I'm having. Some fun. 215 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:28,960 So don't cancel, don't cancel us. 216 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:35,160 OK? Go brand Nike somebody that is 217 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:44,840 relatively new to running and has always been a Nike athlete 218 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,480 likes to look good when they're training. 219 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,800 That's my take on Nike shoe wearers. 220 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:57,600 OK, OK, that's my take. Zuccone alternative like the bit 221 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:03,040 of a deep cut on on the what they run in I I see see 222 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,560 Zirconi's is almost the hipster shoe of the running world. 223 00:11:05,560 --> 00:11:06,960 Do you know what I mean? I. 224 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,280 Don't know, I've never seen a Zirconi. 225 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,840 That's right, because they're alternative and their hips are 226 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,400 in their underground. Yeah, yeah. 227 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:18,800 I did see one, I think in 1998. I did run in Zirconi for about a 228 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,760 year I think. Did you way way back? 229 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,880 Actually, my friend who I met on the trail, who's the new to 230 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,760 running, building her aerobic base, she was running in 231 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:26,760 Zirconi. Oh, right, yeah. 232 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,920 There you go, you've seen one in the wild. 233 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,680 There you go. OK on on running. 234 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,680 They're the cloud ones, yeah. The the the. 235 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,360 Roger Federer's. Crossfitters who want to take up 236 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,320 run. Crossfitters Now you mustn't 237 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:45,920 have looked it on enough. I I. 238 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,600 Don't know much about them. It's like to me, it's like the 239 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,440 Prada of running. Usually. 240 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:56,160 Oh, OK, so I don't know enough. About the Prada high heels, it's 241 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,200 like the Prada of of running shoes. 242 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,160 OK, good like that. You've got to be if I see, if I 243 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:01,880 see on, I'm like thinking you're coined up. 244 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:03,880 Oh, OK. Expensive. 245 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,120 OK, very expensive. Swiss Salomon. 246 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:09,800 Trails. Trail runner? 247 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:10,840 Yep. ASICS. 248 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,920 Serious runner like or or Dedicated runner. 249 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:18,960 Not serious runner necessarily. I don't want to think. 250 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,280 I don't want you to assume. Don't look at you if you're in a 251 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:24,360 pair of ASICS and assume you are really, really good at running. 252 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,160 But if you run in ASICS, my inclination is that you do a 253 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:30,560 lot. You love your running. 254 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:32,800 Your running is your exercise of choice. 255 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,200 OK, that's what I go with. ASICS, yeah, I always think of, 256 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,360 yeah, ASICS is like, it's a bit like the Footlocker when we said 257 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,320 like ASICS is the one that kind of just says always seem to be 258 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:49,600 around running from day dot. Do you, Because you remember I 259 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,760 floated the idea a couple of weeks ago about doing a mystery 260 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,000 shop and going into a a store and actually having a 261 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,960 conversation. I do with the staff and I wanted 262 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,880 you to record it. I didn't record it. 263 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:02,120 It was a bit. Well, give it to us now. 264 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:03,040 Do you want it? Yeah. 265 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:04,320 Well, let's keep doing the rest of these shoes. 266 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:05,480 No, no, no. Give it to us now. 267 00:13:05,560 --> 00:13:08,840 Well, it's interesting you message message mention ASICS. 268 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,720 Yeah, let's do it now. I went into a rebel sport. 269 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:13,960 OK. I won't tell you which one. 270 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,600 And I walked in and I was perusing the walls of the 271 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,160 running shoes. Young fella came up, says hey 272 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,040 mate, get off your hand. I said yeah, mate, I'm just 273 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,080 looking to get into some running. 274 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,000 I want to do some more running. And I just want to get a sense 275 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:36,640 of what shoe I should be using. So no, I tried to limit how 276 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,480 much. I told him as much as possible. 277 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,560 I will take my hat off to this young man. 278 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,760 He did all the right, all the not all the right things, but 279 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:51,800 everything I would want a sales assistant to do when helping 280 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,480 somebody who's just said I'm trying to get into running 281 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,520 right. He said OK, how far are you 282 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,640 going to run? I said alright mate, it could be 283 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,760 anything from couple of K to 1/2 marathon. 284 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,000 Is that OK? How often you going to run? 285 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,000 I'm like trying to figure that out a little bit too. 286 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,440 Might be two, three times a week. 287 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,440 Is that OK? You're mainly going to be 288 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,160 running on the road, do you think, on grass, on what are you 289 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,840 going to be running on? He was asking all the right 290 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,280 questions and I was, again, trying to keep it kind of 291 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,920 general and vague. And he said OK. 292 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:27,200 And then he said, look, went straight to the ASICS, though, 293 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,240 because that's what was in front of us at the time. 294 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:36,920 He said this is if you're doing sort of general running, this is 295 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:42,160 a great everyday trainer. He pointed at the gel cumulus or 296 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:46,760 the ASICS Cumulus, which is kind of the lot of foam in it really 297 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,080 a bit like a hocker boat type version that ASICS have a real 298 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:56,560 soft, big, big soft shoe. So this is a a really good all 299 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,840 rounder running shoe. And I said, oh, OK. 300 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:03,880 And he said, alternatively, if you wanted something a bit more 301 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,440 running specific, he showed me the Nova Blast and the 302 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,480 Dynablast. And he said, and he said, like I 303 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,360 said, and what's the main difference between, he said, oh, 304 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,920 look, it's a price point thing. The Nova Blast is slightly more 305 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:17,840 expensive, The Dynablast is slightly cheaper. 306 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,440 But they're both going to be able to get you through the, you 307 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,680 know, varying types of running. So I didn't try and upsell, 308 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,040 yeah. No, no, no, did not try and 309 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,240 upsell me, which I thought was great as well and showed me, you 310 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,720 know, interestingly showed ME3 shoes of the one brand. 311 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:37,080 So I didn't actually, but he said, and then if you want, you 312 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,960 can have a like there's the Nikes and there's the and so 313 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,800 it's interesting. He did focus in on the ASICS, 314 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:47,520 but this was the key point at the end of it, he said, but 315 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:52,200 mate, the best way is to try a bunch on and see what feels 316 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:52,680 good. Wow. 317 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,760 And I was and I walked away and I just went, mate, you've been 318 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,920 either listening to the podcast or they are training you really 319 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:04,360 well because that is exactly the experience that anybody going in 320 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,800 to buy a pair of shoes because they're about to get into 321 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,000 running should be having. Not getting forced into buying 322 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,480 the high end stuff, not getting forced into buying something 323 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,160 with carbons, not getting talked a whole lot of rubbish. 324 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,200 Just try them on just. Try them on and you. 325 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,080 Bet he gave you a good guide he. Gave me a great guide. 326 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,360 Yep, and if I ever need to buy some shoes I'll probably go back 327 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:23,920 to him. Yeah. 328 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,920 I wonder in those shops, not just Rebel, but any of those 329 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:31,600 types of kind of shoe shops that have a big range of shoes, if 330 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,760 they're getting kickbacks on certain brands like. 331 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:35,600 I'm sure they're. I'm sure they would be the. 332 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:40,120 Sales assistant's gonna have a a bias depending on margins and a 333 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,080 whole range of things, probably Commission and yeah. 334 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,280 Well, the assets shoes were far more prominently displayed than 335 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,320 some of the other brands in that in that particular 1. 336 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,120 So I don't know. But what I will say is I'm going 337 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,320 to do it again. Yep, I'm going to go do some 338 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,760 other shops because I would like to try and record the 339 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,200 experience, although I don't know how legal that is recording 340 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:58,680 someone without their knowledge or concerns. 341 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,760 Probably. I might take mental notes. 342 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,240 Yeah, it's getting anyway. Well, I mean, there's plenty of 343 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,359 people who record people these days, but we're not like that. 344 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,440 So yeah, just let's let's just give the information you get. 345 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:11,680 OK, back to you. Sorry. 346 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:12,880 Great. No, no, no, no. 347 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,440 I was interested in that and that's really good to hear that 348 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,520 someone's giving. Yeah, not over. 349 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,119 I love the fact they're not trying to upsell you too because 350 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,240 you don't need to go for the top of the range. 351 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:24,200 Absolutely not. Brooks. 352 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:30,520 Safety running shoe. Dad shoe. 353 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:31,520 Dad shoe. Yeah. 354 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,880 It feels like it feels like the sort of shoe that you would be 355 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,680 running in if you've had problems with your feet. 356 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,760 I did find out you know last week were they are American 357 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,720 brand OK owned by Warren Buffett's parent company. 358 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,880 So it's a part of the can't. Remember this investment mob 359 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:47,480 call? Yeah. 360 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,440 Don't mean they own a it's going to annoy me. 361 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,920 Hundreds of companies obviously bought it sometime, but yeah, 362 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,040 they're Berkshire. Hathaway. 363 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,800 Yep, they're American brand from Day Dots so that makes sense. 364 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,120 Why probably. What's the name? 365 00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:01,840 Have you heard that name? What do you call when you wear 366 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,840 sneakers with jeans? Sneaking. 367 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:06,480 Sneaking. Yeah, Jerry Seinfeld. 368 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,760 Yeah, I mean Brooks are the probably the. #1 Cobra. 369 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,840 Where the case of. Sneaking brand of choice. 370 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,400 OK. And then finally one mix. 371 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,640 The Chinese carbon shoe. Yeah, what do you? 372 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,760 Think it's a new Frontier, that's for sure. 373 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,040 I've got, I ran in them. I've run in them since we last 374 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:24,040 spoke. I'll give you the review a bit 375 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,360 later on, but yeah, New Frontier go for. 376 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:29,120 It we're not, we're not going to give an opinion on that one 377 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:30,920 just. Oh, no, I look, I'll give you a 378 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,160 full review later on, but I think if that's your true, true 379 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,560 of choice, it's kind of, I don't know. 380 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:40,240 It'd be kind of like I'm trying to think of a, a fashion 381 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,880 comparison, you know, like it'd be like if somebody walked in 382 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,720 these days wearing like flared colourful jeans. 383 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,400 You'd be like, whoa, it's a brave choice. 384 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,400 Good luck to you. When when a grade first told me 385 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:56,360 about like told me them like I I'm around it now, Yeah, but 386 00:18:56,360 --> 00:18:59,240 when he first said I was like, Jesus, that's gonna be. 387 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,000 Hey, I'll give you my that's. Going to be that's going to be 388 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,800 ordinary. OK, now let's keep on the shoe 389 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,000 stuff. This is an article, but that 390 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,240 I've got information. I thought it was really 391 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,120 interesting. Do you know your foot strike? 392 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,520 No. Oh, is hold on is foot strike 393 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,120 cadence or is that something? Different, no, no. 394 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:18,160 So foot strike, I'd say you've got a four foot strike, a mid 395 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,480 foot strike or a heel strike I think. 396 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,720 Do you know how you run? Sort of. 397 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,200 I'd, I'd probably have to double check, but I'm fairly certain 398 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:32,640 I'm a mid to four foot striker because when I had calf injuries 399 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,520 previously and I went and saw a physio and they were checking my 400 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,680 cadence and my foot strike basically that's when I got told 401 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,520 you need to do a lot of calf strength training because of the 402 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,960 way you strike your feet, because you put a lot of 403 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,520 pressure through your calves because of the way you run. 404 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,880 OK, very generalised, yeah, like mid, mid, mid foot strike and 405 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,040 not too toe Y, but midfoot strikes like well, majorly the 406 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,320 faster. No, well, the faster runners 407 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,480 like to move, move faster and that's a very generous, I'm I'd 408 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,760 say a mid, quite mid. But there's a study done. 409 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,720 This was I found this ontherun.com or Run outside 410 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:14,160 online and it was published in the Frontiers in Sports and 411 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,720 Active Living journal. Irrelevant, but there is some 412 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:21,720 background data. It was 710 runners from various 413 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,720 backgrounds. After asking each runner if they 414 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:28,480 were a heel striker, non heel striker or front foot striker or 415 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:33,480 they didn't know, the researchers then explained they 416 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,040 then look, sorry. They then looked at their 417 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,800 running gate. So they worked out what they 418 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,840 did, they asked them what they are, they worked out what they 419 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,520 did to correlate it. And the results were very clear 420 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:46,080 that the runners who didn't know their foot strike pattern or 421 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,320 their running gate pattern were the greatest likely had the 422 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,280 greatest likelihood of sustaining injuries. 423 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:54,880 So. There's a correlation between 424 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:59,560 not knowing how you run and getting injured, being injured, 425 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:02,200 Yeah. So the awareness of how you run. 426 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,120 Now, where I'm going with this is we've talked about shoes at 427 00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:08,640 the moment and having shoes that we can, you know, you feel a 428 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,080 little bit of ground contact versus shoes are just becoming 429 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,840 like when you call them boats before, but more rubber, bigger 430 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,920 and you're just losing complete ground contact. 431 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,120 So what they were saying is there is some correlation there 432 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:25,440 between if you've got so much rubber and you, you start to not 433 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,440 be able to feel what's happening on the ground. 434 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:33,240 You know, longer term is this short term gain of, you know, 435 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,200 having all of this, you know, cushioning comfort and 436 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,960 everything else, is it actually going to be long term pain for a 437 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,080 lot of people? Because you're not, you know, I, 438 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,160 I, and this is me now talking, I'm, I'm just guessing like 439 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,040 you're not using, you're not being able to understand or use 440 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,920 those stabilising muscles in the feet. 441 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,960 Your feet are, your foot isn't actually working as hard. 442 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:58,600 It's not doing all those natural things that it was meant to do 443 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:03,600 running. Have you and can we just say 444 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:08,000 Courtney and I are going to disappear down the barefoot 445 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,240 running path? We're not going to become 446 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,320 disciples of the bare feet, if that's where you think this 447 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,200 might end up. But have you watched on Netflix 448 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,040 starting five, the basketball series? 449 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:23,200 It's a basketball doco last year that follows LeBron James, Jason 450 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:29,200 Tatum, Anthony Edwards, Jimmy Butler through their NBA season. 451 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:30,920 And there's obviously one more, which is why it's called 452 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,320 starting five. Just can't remember who it is. 453 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,640 But Jimmy Butler, there's a point in there and you talk 454 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:39,160 about your foot and the feeling of your your foot feel in shoes 455 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,360 when you're running. There's a bit in one of the 456 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:45,280 episodes where he talks about how important his feet are, his 457 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,200 and his trainer. And he then the sheer amount of 458 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,040 using the spaces. Spaces. 459 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,080 Well, that's LeBron actually. That's it. 460 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,920 But they talk about the sheer amount of focus that they put on 461 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:59,680 their feet and the, and having their feet working as they 462 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:04,720 should and having just how for them as basketball players, how 463 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,760 important their feet are to make sure that they are activating 464 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,680 and working the way they should. And hearing you then talk about 465 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:16,480 that running, slightly different use of the foot compared to 466 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,160 basketball players because there's a lot more lateral 467 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,720 movement and jumping and all the rest of that. 468 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,560 But I can only imagine that actually having your feet 469 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,760 activating in the correct way when you're running is is 470 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,840 enormous. And and to again we This Is Us 471 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,800 thinking and. Allows us here talking out loud, 472 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,280 yeah. Rather than any science, what we 473 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,200 always said, check with your doctor, check with your medical 474 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,520 profession. If you got a podiatrist, check 475 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,400 with him too. But I know I put a lot of 476 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,560 thought and time and consideration into my legs. 477 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,840 Yes, with strength training because of running, but I don't 478 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,840 pay much attention to my feet if any. 479 00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:56,120 So that's really interesting to know that the people that aren't 480 00:23:56,120 --> 00:23:59,080 aware of how they fit hit the ground when they run are more 481 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:03,160 likely to suffer an injury. Yes, it's, I think it's got to 482 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,440 do with the awareness of landing and then using that like I said, 483 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,000 using those stabilising that. So I'm in a bit of a dilemma at 484 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,040 the moment because I've always been someone who likes quite a a 485 00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:17,400 low, you like foot feel. Yeah, I like to feel myself 486 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,480 hitting the ground. I like to be able to activate 487 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,160 and I feel my feet feel. My planters make sure, you know, 488 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,440 I like that feel, but I also love the feel of putting on 489 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,640 those. You know, like at the moment we 490 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,880 both have just been trying those Salomon Ultra Glide 3 Trail 491 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,440 shoes. Super comfy shoe. 492 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,320 They are. There's so much rubber in, like 493 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,520 it's nearly to the point where I'm so comfortable in them, my 494 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,520 foot's not working anymore. Which? 495 00:24:42,360 --> 00:24:46,840 Is great for a long, easy run, but I just wonder over time 496 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,640 whether that's going to also. And it's not just that shoe like 497 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,240 this is a lot of the shoes coming out across all the brands 498 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,320 now. They're so soft and so rubbery. 499 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,200 You're just losing complete ground feel and I just don't 500 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,160 know what the happy medium is. Just to go back to my friend, my 501 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,280 unnamed friend who I met on the trails the other way, because it 502 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,880 was running in Zorkone. She used to run in Hawkers and I 503 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,520 don't think she it was because of the foot fill stuff, but she 504 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,120 said she because they were just, it was just too much fun for her 505 00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:18,600 to run around in and now she's got the Sorconis on the trails 506 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,120 and she really likes them. Well, I took I took away the the 507 00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:26,120 Ultra Glide threes and ran in various all the new range of 508 00:25:26,120 --> 00:25:28,120 shoes, generation of shoes last week. 509 00:25:28,120 --> 00:25:29,840 And so I was away for 10 days or so. 510 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,160 This morning I went back out in those Thundercross, which are 511 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,640 like a lot more like the Centroid 5 that you've worn a 512 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,160 lot harder, got a bit of trail feel, and I just wanted to go 513 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:40,240 out and run in something different. 514 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,520 Talking about the things I have hanging around here. 515 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,560 Also Liam. What's that? 516 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,760 Are you toe? Separators, I ordered some off 517 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,680 Timo or somewhere one time and I think it may use them. 518 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,400 No, Well, I actually think I ordered them after watching that 519 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,240 starting five talk about marketing material and I did. 520 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,640 I sat around with them to, you know, toe separators on and then 521 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,600 they've sat in that drawer. But do you use them? 522 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,960 Not anymore. OK, but I did try them for a 523 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,240 bit. So that's the they haven't, they 524 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,320 haven't stuck. With me, the the, the look after 525 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,800 your feet, people, your feet are your feet are important. 526 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,920 Now, I don't know what you do, look after them, but look at, 527 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,480 you know what is a great feeling if no one's ever done this 528 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,640 before, If you're sitting out there and just roll your foot 529 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,440 over the top of a golf ball, you just put some golf ball and I, 530 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,040 you probably know what it means. I don't know what it does but it 531 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,760 feels amazing. Well, it's just a massage for 532 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,360 your foot. Oh, this is loosening up all 533 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:38,000 those muscle suppliant Michael Shelley was always massive 534 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,400 advocate of that rolling out his feet. 535 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,960 Never never got a lot of they never got a lot of massage, but 536 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,920 used to do, you know, some specific stuff. 537 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,760 Now let's move on. Let's move on because that 538 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,280 that's a bit, you know, up in the air. 539 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,280 All that stuff We're just talking out loud. 540 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,400 I want to make cross country great again. 541 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,720 I saw this. I saw the English cross country 542 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,480 champs. If you have a look at that reel 543 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,360 I've got on the on the notes here, the start of the English 544 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:08,280 cross country champs on the weekend and it looks like about 545 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:13,160 2000 people in one race on grass all just running off into the 546 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,440 mud. This is is it? 547 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,480 What is this this? All in it's. 548 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,440 In black and white. It's in black and white so it 549 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,800 looks like it's in an old video, but that's this the most recent 550 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,320 English national cross country champs. 551 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,400 Anyone can enter, it's all in winner take all. 552 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,640 It's just a mass start. It got me thinking because the 553 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,240 one thing I love doing as a kid was running cross country when I 554 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,760 was cross. Country was one of the great if 555 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,360 you've got kids out there, I don't. 556 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,040 Kids got to be kids. Kids got to want to do things 557 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,480 making me do cross country. Cross country's such a great 558 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,600 event as a kid. He's running around paddocks and 559 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,480 parks and and it's. Not like you thought, you know, 560 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,840 when you're an adult, we've talked about how running, how 561 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,960 hard running can be to get started. 562 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,080 But when you're a kid, running is just part of life. 563 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,800 You're around the playground, whatever, putting into a bit of 564 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,080 a, you know, fun and competitive environment outdoors. 565 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,760 What a what a place to be. We don't run cross country 566 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,320 enough as adults. That's what I'm saying. 567 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,880 I'm not against trail. I mean, we're all in on trail. 568 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,160 Yeah, I'm just saying I, I, I want to make cross country great 569 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:16,560 again. How? 570 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,120 Far OK, so just for people out there listening and going, what 571 00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:21,840 would cross country look like in the Olympics? 572 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,920 I love the idea of building a bespoke course and hey, look, if 573 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,760 Brisbane 2032 Cindy Hook, if you're listening, you got a 574 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,360 couple of race consultants right here. 575 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:37,040 How far is the distance? 12K12K12 kilometres 12 K so. 576 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,640 You're taking a little bit out of that 10K. 577 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:44,240 Mask So you're taking the the 10,000 metres because I assume 578 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,960 in my head you go, well, it's probably the best 10,000 metre 579 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,400 runners in the world and some of the best half marathon runners 580 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,440 in the world. 5 KS, 5 KS in the world and you're putting them 581 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,040 over. The the problem with the the 582 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,120 only problem with this when talking out the Olympic thing 583 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,320 here, I think one thing going for it is you can, you don't 584 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,400 have to increase the number of runners going to the Olympics 585 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,360 because they can double. You're not extra qualifying 586 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,640 people. But someone's going to call me 587 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,040 out because the problem is athletics is in the second week 588 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,360 of the Olympics, so it's going to be in the marathons on the 589 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,720 last day. So it's going to be very hard to 590 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,280 back up. It's very, it's going to be very 591 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,000 hard to get someone to do a cross country in the first week 592 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,240 and then back up for them. Life is about choices. 593 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,920 Life is about choice. How many races did Michael 594 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,000 Phelps win swim in when he was at Olympic Games? 595 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,840 Yeah. Running's a bit different to 596 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,360 swimming. Backing up recovery wise, here 597 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:35,680 we go. We've. 598 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:36,680 Had to call out. Swimmers. 599 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:37,840 Oh, we've had to call out swimmers. 600 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:38,960 I'm just saying there's no gravity. 601 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,760 There's no gravity involved in swimming. 602 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,920 Oh, did you think I was saying running running's better? 603 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,480 Says Michael Phelps. A myth? 604 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,040 No, no, no. Oh man, I'm no, you just can't. 605 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,880 I love. Backup like swimmers can back up 606 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,640 because there's no obviously the the muscle of course getting 607 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,480 hammered. By the on with you, I think 608 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,600 cross country is elite and if you want to try and organise a 609 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,360 cross country race I'm I'm there. 610 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,600 I'll share this start though, because this I've looked at it, 611 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,400 it doesn't I I want to. Be the. 612 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:11,680 Have you seen the? I think it's the the a friend of 613 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,720 mine, Luke O'Shea shout out Luke amazing photographer, great 614 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,320 marketing brain used to work for two times you has taken some 615 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,000 photos. I think, I don't want to say 616 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,120 it's the African cross country championships, but he has taken 617 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,400 photos at a cross country event in Africa and it looks 618 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,040 unbelievable. The cross country starts, 619 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,240 They're similar to this. The racing is just you're 620 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,800 talking about some of the great distance athletes of the world. 621 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,480 Yes, and they are. It just looks like such an 622 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,560 amazing. Race down, down South still like 623 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,960 in, you know, more Victoria and that have a good club cross 624 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,360 country system going where they, you know, some of the elite 625 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:45,720 runners will get out on weekends. 626 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,360 And the whole idea I suppose around cross country too, is 627 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,880 that you're not, yeah, it's not a timed event, so you're not on 628 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,400 show each weekend, you know, and you can use it as a great 629 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,200 training session, like a race specific training session. 630 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,920 It's on softer ground so it's not knocking your legs around as 631 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,720 much. I really, you know, something in 632 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,040 Queensland. I don't, well I don't see it. 633 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,120 I don't have visibility on it that we do enough, but I'd 634 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,240 really love to see, you know, especially with run clubs and 635 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,040 this type of thing, Booty, I think, I think cross country can 636 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,120 be a real fun way and you don't have to be a 12K cross country 637 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,200 be a real fun way to get people involved. 638 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,480 You don't have to shut down roads. 639 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,000 You can do it in parks, you can do it in forests, whatever it 640 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,080 is. That's a no. 641 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,600 That's a really great idea. If you're a run club out there 642 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,040 listening to this, a bit of a sit down, have a bit of a 643 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,440 brainstorm with some people in the club and see if you can't 644 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,360 find a way to introduce a cross country run into your your 645 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:39,800 schedule. Even if it's once a month, it's 646 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,680 a great idea. It's a great idea. 647 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,480 Last week we were talking about I was sharing all that Strava 648 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,280 information and I was sharing the average pace of a Strava 649 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,280 running being when I say 622 minutes per kilometre. 650 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,480 I have more data. You've been. 651 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,880 Get ready. People, because I'm bringing the 652 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,520 data we've got. Crowdsourcing here and we love 653 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,720 it when that's it this has. Come from a name that is 654 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,040 familiar to people on the podcast. 655 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:06,840 This has come from the great Eddie Gordon. 656 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,680 It's about the average marathon times. 657 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,640 Now we know marathons are booming. 658 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:19,800 What do you think the average marathon race time is as of last 659 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:27,120 year? I'm going to say 420. 660 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:35,600 That is such a bang on guess it makes me think you've seen this. 661 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,880 I haven't seen it. You withheld this from me. 662 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,600 I didn't. As of 2024, the global average 663 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,040 marathon finish time for recreational runners is 664 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,080 approximately 4 hours and 25 minutes. 665 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,320 Really this represents a slight improvement from the 2018 666 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,720 average, which was 4 hours and 29 minutes. 667 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,440 Breaking it down by gender, men the average finish time is 668 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,200 around 4 hours and 14 minutes. Women, the average finish time 669 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,000 is around 4 hours and 41 minutes. 670 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:05,520 It goes on to explain some of the data about, you know, age of 671 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,920 runners, training, regional participation, etcetera. 672 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,400 But it's important to note that this these statistics focus on 673 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,240 recreational runners and excludes elite athletes. 674 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,080 So that is not taking into account you're a late. 675 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,760 Field, yeah, but most if I took a marathon I'd I'd only consider 676 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,480 probably the 1st 20 people surely yeah. 677 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:28,720 So I don't think it's taking out too. 678 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,600 Many no, it's not taking out acute, but it is taking out 679 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,840 probably some of those outliers times the the fast outliers. 680 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,760 Right now, the reason I said that because I was thinking I 681 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:37,400 knew it would. Be Yeah. 682 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,320 What made you? Guess that well after last week 683 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,800 I knew it would be where probably slower. 684 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,360 No, no. But I just thought when I've 685 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,720 watched, when I've gone down to watch the Gold Coast Marathon, 686 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,280 for example, and I'm my friends, I suppose a lot of people I'm 687 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,520 watching are trying to break that three hour mark, give or 688 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,200 take. But if you watch the bulk of 689 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,600 where people are coming through, it's a long. 690 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,800 It's in that that the. Bulk of the field, when I see 691 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,800 the thick field coming through are definitely more towards that 692 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,639 4 hour mark. And then obviously, you know, 693 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:10,840 you've got a whole range of people participating, you've got 694 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,080 the walkers at the back. And I just knew that would skew 695 00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:17,480 towards it. In saying that, like 4-4 I I 696 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,199 took a stab, but 420 that's actually. 697 00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,040 Pretty damn good. 425 ain't no joke. 698 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,880 I should have worked this out in advance, but four hours? 699 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,960 What's that? As a per K pace, you wouldn't 700 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,159 have a clue, would you? Idea. 701 00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:32,159 What was it, 4 hours, 25 minutes? 702 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:34,840 I wonder if it's 6 minutes 22 seconds. 703 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,280 What was the average Strava pace? 704 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:43,440 6/22 Talk amongst yourself. Now here you go. 705 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,920 To run a marathon in four hours and 25 minutes, you need to 706 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,159 average a pace of 541 per K. That's good running for a 707 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:53,159 marathon that is, and that's the average pace of last year 708 00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:56,080 marathon finishes. So shout out to everybody 709 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:02,040 running marathons, but also, again, anybody that's running 710 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,480 that, we salute you. Yeah, that's good running. 711 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,000 But yeah, a little bit of data for you. 712 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,320 You're normally the one bringing the data. 713 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,720 Yeah, that's that's super interesting. 714 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,440 Speak on that. Speaking of data. 715 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:19,080 I did. We had Dylan Bradshaw dropped a 716 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,800 note or dropped a message in our Spotify comments. 717 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,600 Yep. So please, if you're on Spotify, 718 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,480 if you if you don't want to comment, you don't have to 719 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,360 comment, but give us a rating and and a like, if you can't 720 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,200 help, it helps. Yeah, it helps build us up. 721 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,040 But a few people wrote this back to us saying, and I'm not 722 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,200 advocating this mate, but they will fan in my journal. 723 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,320 Oh yeah, and they want to see more of the journals. 724 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,800 Oh yeah, and I'm shutting that down. 725 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,400 What do you mean? Well, I've given you the last 726 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,680 journal. I think this is the last one 727 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,760 before. So I've given you, we'll do it 728 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,080 for one more week. We'll give random page. 729 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:56,200 This is my 2008 journal. So this is Beijing Olympic 730 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,040 years. OK. 731 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:02,240 So, and just for context, where were you at in your career in 28 732 00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:05,440 two, 1008? So I would say the year before 733 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,200 the Olympics, I raised in Beijing at the test event and 734 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,720 came in second to qualify for the Olympics. 735 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:17,600 So you'd arguably probably say I was, you know, a pretty decent 736 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,560 chance you're a medal, you're a medal chance, if not win, right? 737 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,920 So you're a medal chance going into the Olympic year 100% and 738 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,440 you have very considerately handed me your two. 1008. 739 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,720 Dollar for the Olympic year, I'm going to jump to a page and then 740 00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:36,120 for from a context, the triathlon race happened on 741 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,680 August 18th. Monday, the 18th of August is 742 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,320 when the triathlon race happened in Beijing. 743 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,880 OK, let's jump to let's jump to May 18th. 744 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,440 So what are you? June, July. 745 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:49,760 Oh, you're three months out here. 746 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,640 Yeah, that weekend, the weekend of the 17th and the 18th of May, 747 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,360 Saturday, 17th AM. Ride 3 hours, 40 minutes. 748 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,640 Oh, sorry. Ride 340 hours. 749 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,400 Tom. What's Tom from? 750 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,200 800 climb. Would that be Tom Owen? 751 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,000 So that's a mountain here on the Gold Coast. 280 watts at a heart 752 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,360 rate of 130. Yep. 753 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:20,200 Flat tempo, 18 minutes, 311 watts at a heart rate of 135. 754 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,880 You're riding at 91 Revs per minute RPM I assume, and then 755 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,120 the back of Tomlin. Sixteen, 43139 watts at a heart 756 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,480 rate of 141. You've said strong, controlled 757 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,920 resting. So decipher that it would have 758 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,240 been. So we've done a 100K loop in 759 00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:43,640 three hours 40 and with three effort like 3 tempo efforts 760 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,960 within it, two of them uphill and one on the flat. 761 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,880 So I remember what was the uphill if it were about 329 762 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:50,400 watts. Yep. 763 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:56,200 Then you've said strong, controlled and then bonkers, 764 00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,360 bonkers and a BLT on way home. Probably a bonk, I reckon. 765 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:01,000 Oh. Bonk. 766 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,040 And then you've had a BLT on the way home, apparently. 767 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,600 Would that be a bacon, lettuce and tomato sandwich? 768 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:06,600 Is that what you've had on the way home? 769 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,160 Could. Quite possibly be Lt. 770 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,800 And then in the afternoon you've said swim 2 1/2 K and then 771 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,680 you've written a note saying very tired, need rest. 772 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,760 Sunday was a rest day. You did I rest. 773 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,320 You did, you said Sunday. Stretching. 774 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,400 Rest day stretching. So you've obviously caught me on 775 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,120 a day that I've. You've actually rest. 776 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,640 I just want to find a run session that I can share with 777 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,120 people because that's what people like hearing about here. 778 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,000 Geez, you take some detailed notes as I flick through all 779 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,160 this. All right, here's a run. 780 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,320 Here's a run session. This was on Tuesday the 20th, so 781 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,160 we're still about 3 months out from the triathlon here. 7:00 AM 782 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:47,240 Run 140 hours. What? 783 00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:50,120 It can't be 40 hours? Oh, run 1.4 hours. 784 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,320 Would that be right? Yeah, probably. 785 00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:55,640 You could run for an hour. 40 I mean, you're a long run only. 786 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,440 Path. I guess this is on a Tuesday 787 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,600 morning Flats. So you're running on flats, you 788 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,800 said 3 by 20 minutes. A2. 789 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:04,960 Yep. So that would be, you know what, 790 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,080 that's probably like the old way we would say zone. 791 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,160 Two. OK, so you've run it 3. 792 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,120 It would be aerobic 2, so no it wouldn't. 793 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,960 It wouldn't. It wouldn't be zone 2. 794 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,800 It would be like just sub threshold. 795 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,960 So you've run 3 by 20 minutes A2 and then 10 minutes A1. 796 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,560 Yeah. So that would be, I think I'd 797 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,160 probably got paces down there. I'm gonna guess I was probably 798 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:29,320 like doing a 20 minute at 310 to 320 minutes per kilometre and 799 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,560 then backing off. To you haven't said your pace, 800 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,760 but you've written as a note, good controlled pace. 801 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,080 Last 20 minutes started to fatigue OK, and then you've had 802 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,080 an ice bath and then you've had a swim in the afternoon. 803 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,920 Yeah. So 320 minute efforts within a 804 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,080 run and tapping through at A1 would mean like no proper 805 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:48,920 recovery. I mean this is relentless. 806 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,000 I'm flicking through this is this is the notes in here are 807 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,880 relentless. Can I ask why you seem to be 808 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,720 drawing what appears to be either Elmo or Oscar the Grouch 809 00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:01,080 on some of these pages? Really. 810 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,560 Yeah. There's a drawing of it looks 811 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:03,440 like a. It is. 812 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:04,920 It's Elmo. You've written Elmo underneath 813 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,480 one of them. Why are you drawing Elmo on 814 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,600 these pages? No one ever said athletes the 815 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:10,680 same. No, we don't. 816 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,480 This is why there's a lot of problems after your. 817 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,720 Well, I mean, look. But the telling point? 818 00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:16,960 Here's a serious question, though. 819 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,040 You look at that, you keep saying how detailed it is and I, 820 00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:20,480 I haven't looked at these for years. 821 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:27,560 Sure, you can probably see why athletes like when you don't 822 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:31,240 have anything to do. Spiral, spiral. 823 00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:34,200 Oh yeah, there is. Like it's making me think now. 824 00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:37,280 Like I can't recall doing this, but you can see. 825 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,240 There is a bloke teetering on the edge in these pages. 826 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,320 This is there, it is. It is intense data. 827 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,080 I'll take a photo of one page that doesn't have any. 828 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,040 See, in 2008 I was married already. 829 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,320 So you're not going to find anything from like last week you 830 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,800 had. A couple of rest days in Cran 831 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,160 Cove here too. OK, but the telling point here 832 00:40:55,160 --> 00:41:01,080 is on the 14th of August, you've flown to Singapore. 833 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,000 You spent two days in transit on the 14th and 15th of August. 834 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,360 Now bear in mind the race day was on the 18th of August. 835 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,240 Yep. Tell us about how that race went 836 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,080 in in 2008. Well, it was good. 837 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,000 Oh, race good. Just didn't get to plan. 838 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,520 I didn't didn't get in the top three, didn't get on the podium 839 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:19,640 at the Olympics. Where'd you finish? 840 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,160 It's a good question, Liam, you. Can't even remember where you 841 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,000 finished at the Olympics? Your memory is. 842 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:26,720 I can. Do you know why I can't? 843 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,040 I think I'm only going to say 8th or 11th. 844 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,400 OK, 8th or 11th? 8th. 845 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:32,280 Or 11th? I don't. 846 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,080 I don't have any. Problem. 847 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,120 It doesn't matter. The point was I didn't win, no. 848 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,440 And the point was I didn't get a medal and that and that was the 849 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,320 goal to go there. So anything less than that 850 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,480 really. And so what's the matter? 851 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,520 Do you remember how you processed that? 852 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,840 Yeah, like before the race we talked a lot. 853 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,400 I did everything right going up to that Games I raced actually 854 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,240 on the day I raced well, the time improved slightly from the 855 00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:56,800 year before. The whole field just moved. 856 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,440 There was a step up in the level on that day and that's often 857 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,280 happens at the Olympics as well. What I can tell you, which is 858 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,280 probably more and more of an interesting story, is how maybe 859 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,920 some of the behind the scenes that you wouldn't realise going 860 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,600 to the Olympics. So for Beijing Olympics, I was 861 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,000 at home. We raced in the second week, I 862 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,600 think the third, last day of the Olympics, 4th, 4th or 3rd last 863 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,840 day of the Olympics. I spent, you know, everyone 864 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,040 would think, oh you made the Olympic Games, you know, this 865 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,200 will be what an amazing experience. 866 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,520 I spent the first week and 1/2 of the Olympics here in the room 867 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,000 behind you at home watching the Olympics on TV. 868 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,720 You weren't even there. I wasn't even there. 869 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,680 Yeah. I was still back here training 870 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,800 at home just like any other day, didn't go to the opening 871 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,560 ceremony. And this wasn't just me, this 872 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:49,120 was the whole the whole team. We flew out two or three days 873 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:54,120 before the race via Singapore so we could have a night's sleep. 874 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,680 So we had the best rest possible. 875 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,800 It was the one time I can recall that the Australian team flying 876 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:06,080 this business for London Olympics, I was lucky because I 877 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,760 was, I was on board with Qantas by that time, so I was, I was 878 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,800 getting looked after. But for Beijing, we we rarely 879 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,360 got flown in business, but for that one we did. 880 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,560 So we did everything possible to get there in the right shape. 881 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,680 But when we arrived at Olympics, we dropped into the village, got 882 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,040 our uniforms, we shipped an hour out of the village into the 883 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,400 country where we're going to race. 884 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,600 It did actually feel like any other race I would have went to 885 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,600 around the world. Did you? 886 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,800 What did you so well? The reason I say the date 887 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,640 matters and your your how you mentally process the result. 888 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:45,680 The reason I ask is because after the 15th of August, where 889 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,760 you write in this diary, fly to Beijing, that's it. 890 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,560 Oh, the diary finishes. You don't make another note in 891 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:54,760 this entire diary. That's it. 892 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,880 So basically it's like Olympics happens and then you stop 893 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:00,720 writing and. That's it. 894 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:02,840 Yeah. Did you? 895 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,920 That's probably how I processed. It What did you train like? 896 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,400 Yeah, yeah. When did you get back into 897 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:08,360 training? Because I raced. 898 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,840 I remember racing the Noosa triathlon off the Beijing 899 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,560 Olympics. Still, I always talk. 900 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,880 I've told that story about ice baths before you. 901 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,280 Why do you think you're abandoned the. 902 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,720 Dark. I reckon it was just, I mean, 903 00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:22,400 when you're in a four year cycle, when the Olympics is your 904 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:27,800 life and then it's over, there's certain things that you know, 905 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,640 how particular you are at probably Diaries, eating, 906 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,040 training, whatever else. You just after four years want 907 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,400 to get away from it. You just need a break. 908 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,720 And I'd say that's a mental break for me of not needing to 909 00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:43,440 worry about like how structured I needed to be. 910 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,320 I probably at that point didn't have a plan after that in the 911 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,400 sense of I trained, I went to race, but it wouldn't have been 912 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,200 a structured plan. So, you know, we've talked a lot 913 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,680 about periodization over years leading up to an Olympics. 914 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,880 You, you four years of periodization, qualification 915 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,120 races and all of that. Or probably the last thing once 916 00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:02,520 that all was over. Yeah. 917 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,120 And I think that would have been the same result if I would have 918 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,800 won a race. If you'd won, yeah. 919 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,400 The same result. Would have been you did come 920 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,240 11th kind of those games and for what it's worth, you did win 921 00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:14,200 noose of that year. I did win noose of that year, 922 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:15,960 yeah, Yeah. And I did an ice bath before 923 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:20,680 noose, but I ice bath every day during winter before Beijing. 924 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,280 Yeah, but so there's that's great. 925 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,240 So that's, I think that was probably the last. 926 00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:27,400 I think after that we probably went to digital training Peaks 927 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,480 and whole Rangers. I do want you to try and figure 928 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,840 out and remember why you drew Elmo so much. 929 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,600 I'm going to talk about Elmo if we get time later on. 930 00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:40,200 Is there a story? Elmo has popped up in my notes 931 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,880 this week and I'm going to get your thoughts. 932 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,320 Where are we up to? We, we are, I mean, God, we've 933 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:46,720 got. So how long we've been rolling 934 00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:49,400 here at the moment? If someone's running long this 935 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:50,760 week, maybe this is our long run. 936 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,040 Week go, let's keep going, all right? 937 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,800 OK, where we up to? Oh, we've got too much to talk 938 00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,920 about. Why don't we talk? 939 00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:03,280 Can we talk about the big running story of the moment if 940 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,360 you're if you're following on in the running news is that the 941 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,640 Sydney 2024 So Sydney is a major this year for the first time it 942 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,240 is qualified. It is officially one of the 943 00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:18,920 major marathons of the world and they have banned or the the 944 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,240 winner of last year's marathon. So Stephen Millard shared this 945 00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:25,720 with me directly. That's how I found it. 946 00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:29,200 Brimham keep keep Courier. Yep, keep Courier, give or take. 947 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:34,200 Apologies if I'm saying his name incorrectly, but he has failed 948 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:35,800 an out of competition drugs test. 949 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:37,840 So essentially he's tested positive. 950 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:42,160 So he is suspended. It's a big, big story or a big 951 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,680 new though I suppose the the second part of that news is that 952 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:49,280 he's now adding there's 123 banned Kenyan athletes. 953 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,480 Oh, I hadn't seen that, Pete. I hadn't seen that at edition. 954 00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,920 And what was it was APO. What do you what do you think 955 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:03,120 when you say that? I think you surprised. 956 00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:08,360 No disappointed. Oh, I think you. 957 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,200 Oh, man, now I'm out of now I'm out of racing at that elite 958 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,080 level. I'm here nor there. 959 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:19,360 I mean, to a degree, it's to be expected, isn't it? 960 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,160 Yeah, it's sport. I mean, it's not just running. 961 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,600 Yeah, We've seen over time and time and time again, you know, 962 00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,600 whether it's cycling, running, insurance, sports, there's 963 00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,720 obviously certain things that you can take that are illegal 964 00:47:31,720 --> 00:47:34,440 that that help you. And when money's involved, I 965 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,560 think you're going to find people like it's, but that's to 966 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,760 A, to a degree, it's going to be human nature that some people 967 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,760 are going to try and cheat the system when money's involved. 968 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,360 But this doesn't sound like it doesn't sound like it's 969 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,560 necessarily like that's 123 Kenyans that have banned, which 970 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,240 would suggest that there is a programme happening well. 971 00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,880 Yeah, he might even go as far as calling that systematic. 972 00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:57,600 You would? Yep. 973 00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,960 That's that's that's not a fluke. 974 00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:03,640 That's a pattern. Yeah. 123 banned Kenyan 975 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,520 athletes. What I will say is the only the 976 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:10,160 the shame of all this is not, let's not get into the drug like 977 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,240 the drug debate because yeah, even I don't understand it well 978 00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:15,600 enough. But what the shame is, is that 979 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:20,080 then it taints every performance. 980 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,320 That's. Right, that's the problem with 981 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:23,400 all this. It doesn't matter. 982 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,400 There's always going to be a question and and if it if 983 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,240 there's the one out there, that one lot outlier out there like 984 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:34,320 there is in everything, the immediate response is to then 985 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,360 question it. Yeah, it's a bit like when I 986 00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:37,760 made. It's a bit like and and, and, 987 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,360 and it went through cycling, right? 988 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,760 So when you go through a like, it happens a lot in that sport. 989 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,760 It's going to take time to recover. 990 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,640 So I think it to be honest in running if I didn't get sent 991 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,000 that I wouldn't have. You wouldn't have known about 992 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,520 it. Probably not. 993 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:54,520 Fair enough. It depends. 994 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,440 The people I'm running with now, we're running for different 995 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,320 reasons and trying to break world records. 996 00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,880 Interesting you mentioned the people you're run with now. 997 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,440 Yep, because I bumped into one of them. 998 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,000 OK, on a run, who did you bump into? 999 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,480 During Do you want to get to our run weeks? 1000 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:08,880 Yeah. You, you. 1001 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,280 Why didn't you jump into it, Doctor? 1002 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,600 Ben Doctor Ben part of your run group. 1003 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:18,520 Ben Moulders Yep, shout out to Ben because I was what was I in 1004 00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,560 the middle of? I was think I was in the middle 1005 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:26,680 of doing, I'd done a like a sort of a, an easy 10 and then I was 1006 00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,320 trying to put in some 1K efforts trying to get where were you get 1007 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,160 out at Chugen. Oh, OK. 1008 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:32,600 Oh, down at. Chugen yeah, yeah. 1009 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,920 And And as I was running on my warm up, headphones were in. 1010 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,480 I wasn't really paying that much attention, but I saw someone 1011 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,280 point and shout Liam and I thought, no worries, keep going. 1012 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,240 And as I turned around doing these 1K efforts, suddenly I got 1013 00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:52,720 the end of one of the efforts. And this Angel in a very loud 1014 00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:57,200 shirt appeared and handed me a Red Bull, really, and an energy 1015 00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,640 gel and said, you look like you'd need these. 1016 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,400 And it was Doctor Ben. Yeah, yeah. 1017 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,960 He was a Red Bull. And his wife were, I think they 1018 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,160 were just looking at a few apartments and, you know, 1019 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:12,200 contemplating maybe a move one day and they were down the South 1020 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:13,880 end of the coast. And he popped off and gave me a 1021 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,440 Red Bull. It was an absolute lifesaver. 1022 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,280 I wonder where he I wonder where he got a Red Bull. 1023 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,200 He kept him in his. Car well, like yeah, I mean I've 1024 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,280 given him yeah when we finished running as most people who run 1025 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,000 with me, they they get a few Red Bulls in the car on, you know. 1026 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,400 Here and there. But yeah, he, no, he stopped 1027 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:29,600 off. We had a nice little chat. 1028 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,120 It was great to see him. Well, now you know who I'm 1029 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:33,680 talking about all the time as well. 1030 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,840 Yeah, and he, I said you're looking great. 1031 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,480 And he said I'm, he said he was, he's losing some weight at the 1032 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,640 moment because he's on a diet, because he let himself go a bit. 1033 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,480 But he said it was funny because he's, he looks great. 1034 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,680 But he said I'm not eating right to be running. 1035 00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,080 Well, I'm not eating enough to be, you know, out running. 1036 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,720 Like I want he hasn't got the fuel on he. 1037 00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,200 Doesn't have the fuel on board, which was that interesting. 1038 00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,840 I was like, it's really interesting that he's a good 1039 00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,480 runner, but who's losing weight from because of health reasons. 1040 00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,760 But as a result of losing weight, he's eating a certain 1041 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,880 way, which means he's not actually fueled up to run like. 1042 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,040 How how he would normally? Feel like he would not want to, 1043 00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,920 yeah. Ben, Ben's deep, deep in our, 1044 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,080 you know, in the run group challenge, the marathon 1045 00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,720 challenge, there's a group of six including my brother and a 1046 00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:20,920 few others. Few other doctors have a few 1047 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,720 people there and they're all, put it this way, the mates. 1048 00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:28,120 Mates are more competitive than trying to win races. 1049 00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,400 Absolutely all Beating your mates matters more, yeah. 1050 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,000 And he's there in the thick of it at the moment, getting ready 1051 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,960 for Gold Coast. I want to hear about your 1052 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,480 Mauritius running so I'm going to quickly just give you 2 more 1053 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:42,840 bits from my week. I I had a double Mona Fartlett 1054 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,560 fail. I got caught up. 1055 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,160 I fell into the old trap of seeing somebody run something on 1056 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,880 Strava. Shout out to Ned, Ned and Gus 1057 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,760 they did a session on Strava. They called it their double Mona 1058 00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,200 Fartlett session. Double Mona. 1059 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,480 So you went through it twice? They went through it twice. 1060 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,520 I failed, that was silly of me. I got caught up, I tried to do 1061 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,920 it, it was a mistake anyway, learnt my lesson. 1062 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,720 So to to all those people out there, if you see some of your 1063 00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:15,440 mates run something on Strava, don't just do it blindly, right? 1064 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,720 Run to your level. We say this all the time anyway. 1065 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,520 The web's not a good place to go looking for your inspiration. 1066 00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,200 Do you want the review? I want the review because I, I, 1067 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,920 I do have, I did. I haven't been online a lot. 1068 00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:32,200 Sure for travelling, but I did get a few people go to me. 1069 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,000 We watched Liam's review on Instagram. 1070 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,200 Oh yes, and they have questions. Did you actually like them or 1071 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:39,240 not? And you didn't? 1072 00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:41,080 You didn't. I wanted to save. 1073 00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,000 It give us a. Conclusion Well, I wanted to 1074 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,800 save it for the podcast. OK, right. 1075 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,080 I did put up if you're not following in the beginning 1076 00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,440 podcast on Instagram, go and jump on board. 1077 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,840 I did give something a review on there, but I wanted to save it 1078 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,120 for the podcast. So because this is what it's all 1079 00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,000 about. You gave me these shoes last 1080 00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,240 week. They're the Chinese carbon 1081 00:52:59,240 --> 00:53:04,160 plates that cost 115 bucks. And this was the question is, is 1082 00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,920 can something like these compete against the big boy carbon 1083 00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,320 plates at the price point that they are and are they worth 1084 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:16,600 people looking into? I went out and did AI think I 1085 00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:21,560 ended up doing about 1314 K in these. 1086 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:28,400 Fast fast running in before. I did 6 KS at 350, pace 350. 5 1087 00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,920 which is moving. For me, which is moving right 1088 00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:35,160 that is that's that's quick going for me yes, these are 1089 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:40,520 really fun to run in These are really bouncy really you've 1090 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,440 you've there is no question about whether or not there's a 1091 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,360 carbon plate in these These are bouncy. 1092 00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:52,800 They are responsive and at 115 bucks value for money. 1093 00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,440 Value for money. That's the conclusion. 1094 00:53:55,520 --> 00:54:00,040 That is my conclusion that $115.00 cheaper than any other 1095 00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,680 carbon show on the market substantially value for money, 1096 00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:05,920 but. There's a but. 1097 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:10,320 There is a but, and I talked about this something as I lift 1098 00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,160 the soul up to you and I talked a bit about this on the 1099 00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,160 Instagram, but you're not getting much out of these long 1100 00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,520 term. Like if you are looking for it. 1101 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,280 I honestly, if you think if you want to go out, if you've done 1102 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,680 the training, you put in the hard yards, but for whatever 1103 00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,600 reason you can't, you don't want to justify. 1104 00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,200 You don't think you can justify going out and buying a pair of 1105 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,000 alpha flies or better speeds or whatever it is. 1106 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:35,000 You can have a plate of choice. Grab these, go grab them, but 1107 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,560 know that they might not survive, maybe more than a 1108 00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,160 couple of race hit outs. But I suppose the top of the 1109 00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,800 range real expensive shoes are designed either to last more 1110 00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:49,160 than a few race hit. Outs, aren't they? 1111 00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,440 No, I don't really know because I haven't really raced those 1112 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,400 either. Yeah, well, me neither, But no, 1113 00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,200 from my like understanding a lot of the rubber, you know, you 1114 00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,760 don't want to run the rubber dry and then a pair of really good 1115 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,520 race shoes, right. So and then there's those few 1116 00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,600 isn't the Adidas one like A1A1 shoe racer? 1117 00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:08,440 Yeah, the the top end one. Yeah, and they like so the more 1118 00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,680 expensive they are sometimes they're like because of the 1119 00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,440 rubber being used. They are A1 racer. 1120 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,880 So depending on what you want to use them for, but I mean, if 1121 00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,680 you're going through a lot of running shoes, I suppose the 1122 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:26,000 only the benefit I probably can see is if you don't want to keep 1123 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,160 buying very expensive shoes and you go through a lot of them as 1124 00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,960 a training option, yeah, maybe that's where they could be used. 1125 00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,000 What I will say is that you chose the worst. 1126 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,400 Colour. Yeah, I did that on. 1127 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:38,440 Purchase. Yeah, I know. 1128 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,000 I can tell. They're horrible design of a 1129 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,320 shoe stylistically. But you know, I like you, Liam. 1130 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,240 But when I went to buy them on on Timo, I think it was Timo I 1131 00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:50,440 bought them off. You chose the worst colour. 1132 00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,320 They were last year's colour model, so they were cheaper. 1133 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,480 You're going to run in them though. 2025, I'm going to have 1134 00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,640 a run in them because I'm real. I'm just purely interested. 1135 00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,240 I did walk down the hall in them and the first thing I said was 1136 00:56:01,240 --> 00:56:03,840 they are springy, they are super, they are really. 1137 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,560 You get a lot of return from them. 1138 00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:12,720 Yeah, I look, I think, yeah. I mean, if you just to jump back 1139 00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:14,600 in the episode a little bit, we talked a bit about the average 1140 00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,360 marathon time. Yes, Right. 1141 00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:19,440 If you're running 425, you don't need a carbon plate shoe. 1142 00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,240 You don't if you want to get one for fun. 1143 00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,680 Go for it, say you don't need them, but if you reckon if 1144 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,360 you're running, they've still got to help you. 1145 00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,840 Well, I don't know what these do to your feet after a marathon. 1146 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,440 I don't know what state your foot would be in after. 1147 00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,680 I did 14K's and my feet felt fine. 1148 00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:39,680 Yeah, but I'm also somewhat used to running in a carbon plate 1149 00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,360 shoe. But I like if you were going to 1150 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,720 do a marathon and you jump new, I don't know what this would do 1151 00:56:45,720 --> 00:56:47,200 to your feet and your calves and everything. 1152 00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:47,720 I. Wonder what? 1153 00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,360 Yeah, I wonder what the data is on the carbon plates around, you 1154 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,040 know, if different, different parts that return at different 1155 00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:54,640 paces. Yeah, I don't know. 1156 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,080 But I mean at some pace, I would suggest that if there's a 1157 00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,640 benefit and it's a stiff issue, even if you're running 5 minute 1158 00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,560 K pace and you're gonna feel better and up, you know, it's 1159 00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,120 still of a benefit to run in them. 1160 00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,120 I would say if you're a heel striker there's no point getting 1161 00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,680 these either. I don't see what the carbon 1162 00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,480 plate for you does if you're landing on the back of your 1163 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,360 foot. This feels very much like a 1164 00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,520 kangaroo's. They're definitely they they 1165 00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:21,480 these have down when I walked down the hall, at least they 1166 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:25,160 were 4 foot spring, yeah. Yeah, yeah. 1167 00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,920 If you're a four foot striker like you and I are, then yeah. 1168 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,480 I want to, I want to try, I want to try a lot more when this 1169 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,520 weekend in, I want to try a lot more Rd shoes. 1170 00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,160 I want to understand these better and be able to talk from 1171 00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,040 not so much experience in them, but just from feel. 1172 00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,400 Yeah. Yeah, these are these feel fun 1173 00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,560 to run in. Look, if I was running a 10K 1174 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,520 race tomorrow, I'd happily race in because. 1175 00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,560 You could argue anyway with, you know, take brands out of it 1176 00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:51,960 right now. You could have, you know, 10 1177 00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,080 shoes in front of you. In the end, it's like you said, 1178 00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,560 go into the store, try them, and what feels good is going to be 1179 00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,720 right for you. Yeah, probably can't try these 1180 00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:03,520 ones in store. But the point is different shoes 1181 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,280 are going to work for different people regardless. 1182 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,320 There's probably 10 brands out there that have got carbon 1183 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,360 plates in them, not all of them. There is going to be no one 1184 00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:14,320 answer for each runner. No, but look, if you got 150, a 1185 00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:19,000 $115.00 to to throw out or throw, throw at a pair of these 1186 00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,040 shoes, go for it. And if you think you want to 1187 00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,080 have a crack at a race too, go for it. 1188 00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:25,240 Yeah. Anyway, I look forward to 1189 00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:26,640 getting your thoughts on them. Yep. 1190 00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,640 But to all those people going, well, did he like the shoe or 1191 00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:30,640 not? Yeah, I did. 1192 00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:32,760 That's it. Shush. 1193 00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:37,320 The conclusion was. Yes, I like these shoes. 1194 00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,960 I like these shoes, will I buy them the next time? 1195 00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,360 Would you buy the? Shoes. 1196 00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,960 Would I buy them the next time I need a pair? 1197 00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:46,080 No. No. 1198 00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,640 Why? Do you did you, is it still 1199 00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,320 Matt? Here's my here's a really 1200 00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,160 upfront question, OK, because I can answer this. 1201 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,520 Sure would do you trust is this a brand thing? 1202 00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:02,800 If that shoe? Yes, if that shoe had Zirconi on 1203 00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,720 it. Would it change my opinion? 1204 00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:05,680 Would it change your opinion on it? 1205 00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:06,880 Absolutely. Yeah, me too. 1206 00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,280 Yep, 100%. Unfortunately, in this world, I 1207 00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:11,520 trust brand. Brand matters. 1208 00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,040 Brand matters. It's exactly like when we talk 1209 00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,760 about why do you pick the run group you pick, or why do you 1210 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,480 pick the run coach you pick because people have recommended 1211 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,880 it to you and people you trust that have recommended it to you. 1212 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,000 It's the same thing, but. Brand matters. 1213 00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,120 It's not for me. The brand's not about like I 1214 00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,720 feel like I'm running in in a Chinese pair of shoes. 1215 00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,240 The brand matters for me for quality. 1216 00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:31,920 Like I want. I want to be able to trust that, 1217 00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,480 you know, the rubber's not going to break apart. 1218 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,960 They've done the research. It's not going to hurt me. 1219 00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,720 All of those things feels one thing, but yeah, for some reason 1220 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,280 and I still will trust. That's what I mean. 1221 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,520 I don't know if these are going to how long these are going to 1222 00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:49,240 last because I had never heard of one mix until you gave these 1223 00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:50,560 to me a week ago. Exactly. 1224 00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:54,080 OK, So brand does matter. That's that's part of it. 1225 00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,880 So my where have I? Well, you've been in Mauritius. 1226 00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,600 Been in Mauritius so going back to what what I got up to over 1227 01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,920 there. I'll tell you one thing, I 1228 01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,320 didn't bring you back a fridge magnet. 1229 01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,640 Oh, not a very, not a not a very good friend, mate. 1230 01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:09,760 Sorry. I brought back no presents. 1231 01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,480 I had dinner of time. Yes, you did. 1232 01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:12,560 There's always time. Did not. 1233 01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:19,400 There's always time. No, I did forget and I just 1234 01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,040 remembered it then. One thing I can tell you about 1235 01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:28,280 Mauritius is hot, hot. It is hot like you think running 1236 01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:33,600 here in Queensland's been bad. It I the only time I can recall 1237 01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:38,720 being as hot as I was last week is in Thailand racing and doing 1238 01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,880 things around Thailand. Like it's the kind of hot that 1239 01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:45,480 when you're sticky hot that when you're sitting at breakfast, the 1240 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,000 back of your legs are sweating. Heavy, sticky. 1241 01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,480 You just sweat. You walk outside and you sweat. 1242 01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:55,000 So my running week, I still threw 94K last week, even with 1243 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,000 the travel and everything else. Yeah, yeah. 1244 01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,080 So I still got through a bit, but it was it, it hurt. 1245 01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,120 It's been a real challenge to run over there. 1246 01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,760 OK, So what I did get up to, but well, I found out a little bit 1247 01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,720 bit more of why I ended up in Mauritius. 1248 01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,080 Red Bull are preparing to run an event over there. 1249 01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:15,040 It's called Red Bull triple Thrill and it's a, it's a little 1250 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,920 bit of a spin, I suppose on a triathlon or, or an off road 1251 01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,920 triathlon. So it starts with a downhill 1252 01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:23,040 mountain bike. So Mauritius just built a new 1253 01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:26,120 downhill mountain bike park. Cool downhill mountain bike. 1254 01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:29,320 So Rachel Atherton was there. She's the, you know, multiple 1255 01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,760 world champion in downhill mountain bike for women. 1256 01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:36,080 Like really impressive to watch. Also like really cool to meet 1257 01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:39,320 her and and hang out. She pretty much on the first 1258 01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:40,760 day. So we were there checking out 1259 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:44,560 the course for a bill Mauritius and giving advice on the course. 1260 01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:48,880 But also we're filming a teaser. So the main job we were doing 1261 01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,160 day to day is we had a film crew, a production crew around 1262 01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,320 us. Yeah, we're doing all this. 1263 01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:57,160 So so she's like, hasn't seen this black run and we're 1264 01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,960 standing down the halfway down and she's just bombing it 1265 01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:02,400 unseen. I'm like, you know, I can ride a 1266 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:06,160 mountain bike, but I can't ride a mountain bike. 1267 01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,840 You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I can see why. 1268 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,320 You know, there's always that eliteness and you just see how 1269 01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,120 how far that goes above. So she downhill mountain bike to 1270 01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,920 begin with then they've just chosen a trail run now. 1271 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,760 I was just told it's 22K. OK. 1272 01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,680 I wanted to see it. So it's up in a hunting reserve 1273 01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:30,080 right in. Well, it's pretty hilly. 1274 01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:31,720 I think they let. The hunters know you'd be 1275 01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,200 running through well. This is the story, right? 1276 01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:40,240 So for four months of the year, and when I say hunting, it's 1277 01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:41,720 deer hunting. OK. 1278 01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:45,960 So they, if you can imagine, like, you know, tall fences to 1279 01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,680 keep deers in. So all the kind of areas have 1280 01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:50,680 got these big deer fences around it. 1281 01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:55,440 And four months of the year they open up the park to cull. 1282 01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,000 Yeah, the deers population management stuff. 1283 01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,880 And the rest of the year they they breed them, let them run 1284 01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,200 free. And it's pretty much African 1285 01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:04,960 jungle. Sure. 1286 01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:08,280 So no lines. There are monkeys and there's 1287 01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,480 lots of deers. OK, I got dropped one day. 1288 01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,600 So I said I want to, I want to be able to run the course 1289 01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,800 without the film crew. I just want to get in there and 1290 01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:16,120 feel what it's like to run the course. 1291 01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:19,800 So I can give you a proper, you know, I can give you some advice 1292 01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,560 on what I think it needs to be. How did I get to the course that 1293 01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,080 day? I went to the the safari tours. 1294 01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,680 They dropped me off at the Safari tour and with just the 1295 01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:33,440 public and there's quads, 4 quads lined up in some can Am's 1296 01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:37,520 and the guy's like I'll just give you a lift up to the gate 1297 01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:41,120 where we don't go past. So I've got on the back of a 1298 01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:42,520 quad, everyone else has got helmets on. 1299 01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:44,200 I said do I need a helmet? Nah, no you'll be right mate. 1300 01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,920 Jump on going up with this crew up on the quads. 1301 01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:52,200 He's handed me a key and said that gate there will get you to 1302 01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:55,120 where you need to go running. Jeez. 1303 01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,680 Drop the key back at reception when you're finished. 1304 01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,000 So I it was Was it a loop? It wasn't out and. 1305 01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,480 Back it was out and back so I had to run 7K out to the start 1306 01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,640 which is at the back end of the mountain bike park because all 1307 01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,040 of these properties are locked by keys and gates and barbed 1308 01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:15,000 wire to keep I'm assuming to keep hunters out and you know 1309 01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:19,080 whatever else keep the deer in. I had to run out to it and then 1310 01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,800 run back. So the day turned into a 30K run 1311 01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:25,800 fee. What cause of the tour though? 1312 01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,240 I didn't start till 12 in the middle of the day. 1313 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:34,360 I'm carrying, I'm carrying in my I'm carrying a Red Bull, my 1314 01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:38,480 flask with a philtre on it and a banana. 1315 01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:41,560 I was out there for three hours mate. 1316 01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:46,120 It was one of the hardest runs I've done, one of the most 1317 01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:47,760 enjoyable runs I've done. Can I imagine I was in the 1318 01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,640 middle of? It's an unbelievable. 1319 01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:54,200 I mean the middle of Africa, like an African island by myself 1320 01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:57,320 in a like deers running around and I'm just thinking, wow, 1321 01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:58,920 well, the place is running takes you hey. 1322 01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,040 That's so cool. Yeah, but it sounds horrible. 1323 01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,640 And all I could think was I'm hoping my philtre works because 1324 01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:08,040 every time I got to the dirtiest Creek I'm just filling up like 1325 01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:09,560 getting as much water in as I could. 1326 01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,880 So I was, I would have chugged, I reckon, about 3 litres of 1327 01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:14,760 water through that philtre. How did you feel? 1328 01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,960 Like no, my stomach was good. So I can advocate for the 1329 01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:22,440 philtres that the Solomon use OK, on, you know, if you have 1330 01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,280 out running in the forest, I guess one of the things I'd 1331 01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:27,160 probably use most trail running, especially up here in Queensland 1332 01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,680 where we have a lot of access to water, you're often going across 1333 01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,360 creeks and other things. So I don't have to carry in 1334 01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,400 litres and litres of water. It is take of, you know, a 500 1335 01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,880 mil flask that you put in your running vest in it has a screw 1336 01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:43,000 top like a philtre screw in. I think it's meant to be 99.9% 1337 01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:46,960 effective against. That's whatever so far. 1338 01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:48,320 Touch wood. I've never had a problem with 1339 01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:48,800 it. Yeah. 1340 01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,160 I might have to invest in one of those because I think that yeah, 1341 01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:53,800 I often I was running around Nerang the other week and just 1342 01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:56,640 with a non philtre one of those things. 1343 01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:58,560 Yeah, once you drink it, it's done well. 1344 01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,960 Nerang's a hard one because you cross that little Creek down the 1345 01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,680 bottom and I'm always like, do I bother carrying it for that one 1346 01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,080 Creek? But if it's a really hot day, I 1347 01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:09,240 do, I take the filtering. So the finish of that event, 1348 01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:14,280 yes, is a kite surf. Now, is this event meant to be 1349 01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:16,520 done by the? Is it a team event or an 1350 01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:18,800 individual event? You can do it individually, but 1351 01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:20,320 it's going to be few and far between. 1352 01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:24,640 I can't quite surf so I couldn't do the event right, but it's 1353 01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,920 more so a team event where you'll get a downhill mountain 1354 01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:30,080 bike a a trail runner and then to finish off with a quiet 1355 01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:31,080 event. Now there's a bit of a problem. 1356 01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:34,240 Brazil event you did in Rio. It is a little bit like, yeah, 1357 01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,480 that was Giants of Rio finished on the on the sand. 1358 01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:40,560 However, the the issue is there's no win that day. 1359 01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:43,680 The events on in August when the trade winds are blowing, but 1360 01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:47,200 there's a lot of butts. There's a lot of butts in this. 1361 01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:50,440 But the young guy from Red Bull, Luca who I met is an absolute 1362 01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,520 legend. So he's the only Mauritian 1363 01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,400 athlete, Red Bull athlete, because I suppose kite surfing 1364 01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,080 is a bit of a national sport. There obviously being Coral 1365 01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:00,760 Island with the winds and all of that. 1366 01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,760 Super cool dude and there's been built around him obviously in 1367 01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:06,720 his sport so. What? 1368 01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,360 But the caveat is the caveat. Is the run's way too. 1369 01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:11,080 Hard. Oh, really? 1370 01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,280 Well, you think that a downhill mountain bike takes you 6 1371 01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:16,400 minutes? Oh, and that run if the. 1372 01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:18,680 Run's gonna be two, two hours at least. 1373 01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:22,000 It's a hard run and and it it gets cooler that time of year, 1374 01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,560 but it's still gonna be hot. And then they race out of this. 1375 01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:26,000 So do you. Was that your feedback? 1376 01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,800 My feedback was we, we, we need to be able to reduce the run of 1377 01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:34,240 it yeah, I didn't even run the whole run in that 30K the first 1378 01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:35,480 day. By the time I got out and back, 1379 01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,520 I ran back on the road because I was I was absolutely rude. 1380 01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:39,960 The. Idea You get back to the office 1381 01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:41,120 and I'm like, So what do you think? 1382 01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:44,760 You're like, that's too hard. Yeah, even even for even for 1383 01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:47,920 this event, it was too hard. But yeah, man, it was amazing. 1384 01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,120 We were busy because then we were out filming with a crew. 1385 01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:54,440 We had safari vehicles going. Like, it was definitely a unique 1386 01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:58,840 experience, but we worked like behind the scenes. 1387 01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,200 People think, oh, he's on a holiday all the time. 1388 01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:04,640 No, I was, I was. I was Breakfast out and about 1389 01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:09,200 filming out on the heat all day, back to bed, jet lagged, get 1390 01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:10,280 back home. So cool. 1391 01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,520 Yeah, that's awesome. Oh mate, that sounds like you 1392 01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,120 had an amazing time over there, but it's easy nevertheless. 1393 01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:18,120 So I've been running, but yeah, missed a few days this week 1394 01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:19,600 trying to get back with travel at the moment. 1395 01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:20,800 You're still getting new cars in. 1396 01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:21,760 Yeah. You'll be OK. 1397 01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:22,800 Yeah. Yeah, he'll be OK. 1398 01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:24,479 A quick shout out to Jack Rayner, too. 1399 01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:29,319 Yes, new new Aussie indoor 5000 record. 1400 01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:31,960 We're running good. We're the Australians, we've got 1401 01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:35,200 the running. Running is deep right now, as 1402 01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:38,359 well as the recreational level, but at the elite level too, 1403 01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:40,600 we've got some. Our elites are doing their 1404 01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:41,800 thing. There's a lot going on. 1405 01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:45,279 It's Jack Rainer Jelly Roll. That's at two different ends of 1406 01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:47,479 the spectrum and both equally important. 1407 01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:50,279 Courtney, that's what we're saying now you've got we haven't 1408 01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:51,439 done. What? 1409 01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:52,720 What the fuck? Well, we. 1410 01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,800 Haven't done the WTF events for a while but I think it's time to 1411 01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:59,600 win the segment officially because I think I've found the 1412 01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,240 winner OK. Forever. 1413 01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:02,160 What have you? What have you got? 1414 01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,479 This I can't even remember where it came across. 1415 01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:11,920 But talk about AY and B, what's the point? 1416 01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:18,240 Shristi Dhamendra Shristi Dhamendra Sharma is her full 1417 01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:20,520 name. In fact, she's broken the world 1418 01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:27,040 record for the fastest limbo skating under poles. 1419 01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:28,479 See, there's a bit in that isn't. 1420 01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,640 There, if I was to describe this to you, she's basically in a 1421 01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:38,120 Cathy Freeman style race suit. She's taking a speed, and this 1422 01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:40,439 is not ice skating by the way, though this is roller skating 1423 01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:42,840 she's taking. She looks like an ice skater, a 1424 01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,960 speed skater at the Olympics. Traditional rollerblade. 1425 01:09:45,319 --> 01:09:48,040 Roller skate traditionally roller skates the fours, not 1426 01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:51,240 rollerblades. She looks to be on like a car 1427 01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:54,000 race track. She looks like she's on AV8 1428 01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:59,000 Supercar straight and she's taken a big old long run up 1429 01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,880 where she goes as flat as she can and then when she approaches 1430 01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:05,960 these limbo poles, which could be no more than maybe. 1431 01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:08,560 A foot. Oh, she's on the ground. 1432 01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:15,400 She's basically touching pavement the whole way as she 1433 01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:17,760 skates. Oh, she didn't need to go that 1434 01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,760 low, though. Oh, but mate, it's she's so 1435 01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:24,320 she's. Her chin is on. 1436 01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:27,840 Her chin is skimming the ground. Yeah, and she she's basically 1437 01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:29,560 doing the splits on the roller skates. 1438 01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:34,520 She's managed to get her entire body no higher than the height 1439 01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:39,520 of the roller skates themselves, and she rolls for probably 100 1440 01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:43,520 odd metres. I'm not sure if I like this one. 1441 01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:47,960 Do you know why? Because it's a, it's a little 1442 01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:51,200 bit like all these runs people are doing and you know, across 1443 01:10:51,240 --> 01:10:55,600 America or Australia, wherever they're running, Like where do 1444 01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,520 you draw the line of what's different and what's. 1445 01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:01,240 Not hold on, I've been saying this to you since you started 1446 01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,120 this segment. I'm saying we don't need a bloke 1447 01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,560 cooking an omelette or a cake while he runs a marathon. 1448 01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:07,560 We don't need a person juggling chainsaws. 1449 01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:12,160 All of these events are stupid. Like it's a it's a world record, 1450 01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:14,320 but she could just change the height of someone can just come 1451 01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:16,560 along and I'm going to do it at a different height and cracked a 1452 01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,320 new world record. You know what it's like people 1453 01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:20,680 catching M&M's in their mouths. What? 1454 01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:22,520 What's the point? She looks. 1455 01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:25,280 There is no point. She is dressed to impress and it 1456 01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,720 is impressive she can. Actually have an Austin Powers 1457 01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:28,720 full. Shin to the ground. 1458 01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:32,040 But yeah, I think unless we have something really. 1459 01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,160 So you still send them to us, You've got something. 1460 01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:36,760 But we've we've had to up the level on this because it started 1461 01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:38,960 getting out of hand. Yeah, yeah, running a marathon 1462 01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:40,440 backwards ain't going to cut it anymore. 1463 01:11:41,480 --> 01:11:44,480 Do we get some? We got some message from New 1464 01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:46,360 Zealand. Yeah, we did. 1465 01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:49,880 Josh Joshua from New Zealand has been he's been catching up on 1466 01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:51,600 the podcast, he said. Hi lads, been listening to the 1467 01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:55,760 podcast up to episode 13 and. Oh no, this is WTF. 1468 01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,280 This is another WTF. Well, this is the last one this. 1469 01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:00,480 Is the last one, but this one's kind of. 1470 01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:04,000 It's like there's been people running the Tarawera Myla in 1471 01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,480 gumboots. See why? 1472 01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:08,360 Why do that to yourself? Why do that to yourself? 1473 01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:09,600 More impressive than Crocs though. 1474 01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:14,600 Mate, Can you imagine running like Crocs still have speed, 1475 01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:15,840 they're still like cushioning, you know. 1476 01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:19,520 And that that is to me, just trying to create this is to do 1477 01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:24,200 it in gumboots. But why was it? 1478 01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:25,640 Was it? Was it Cliffie Young who turned 1479 01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:27,160 up in gumboots? To the start line. 1480 01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:28,440 That's the. It's the falsehood. 1481 01:12:28,440 --> 01:12:30,240 Of the falsehood. He didn't actually run the race 1482 01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:32,120 in gumboots. He turned up in gumboots and 1483 01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:33,360 then someone gave him a pair of runners. 1484 01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:34,520 Oh, I agree. Why? 1485 01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:36,760 But just why Josh? Thanks for listening though, 1486 01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:37,800 Josh, Do you know what I will say? 1487 01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,640 I'm loving there are a lot of people coming to the podcast now 1488 01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:44,200 who are listening from air point, Yes. 1489 01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,080 And then they're starting it in the beginning. 1490 01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:48,200 They're starting in the beginning, at the beginning, at 1491 01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:49,800 the beginning and they're rolling through. 1492 01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:52,320 And then it's funny because I did get a couple of messages of 1493 01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:55,560 people saying I found you guys late. 1494 01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,200 I've jumped on from the beginning and now I've caught up 1495 01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,200 and now I'm disappointed that I don't have a backlog to work 1496 01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,320 through, which is really nice. It's it's nice nice to be 1497 01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:06,680 hearing that people have come through and gone through the 1498 01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:07,720 whole journey with us. We. 1499 01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:10,840 Appreciate all every, everyone's feedback too good, good and good 1500 01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:12,640 and bad. We want to make it better. 1501 01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:14,800 So we appreciate you want to hear us talking about hey, I 1502 01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:16,920 don't want to leave everyone hanging on Elmo because I did 1503 01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:17,680 mention Elmo. So do. 1504 01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:19,760 You want to talk about it now? Yeah, let's let's talk about. 1505 01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:20,920 Finish. Well, how long have we been 1506 01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:22,160 going? Probably don't want to finish on 1507 01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:22,720 Elmo. Yeah. 1508 01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,080 What are we up to? We've been going a while today. 1509 01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:26,720 If you're running, I reckon we're up around. 1510 01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:28,360 You've probably been running for an hour 20. 1511 01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:29,760 OK. Yeah. 1512 01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,440 All right, let's finish. We're going, we're going. 1513 01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:33,960 We've got more to get. To but we will we'll obviously 1514 01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:35,160 be better it's. Not just Elmo. 1515 01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:37,120 So I've got a few things that have come on. 1516 01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,480 Remember I was talking with ASICS here in Australia. 1517 01:13:39,480 --> 01:13:43,240 Did the I I was calling them out on the IP for the clouds. 1518 01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:45,200 Yes, yes, yes. And they ran. 1519 01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:46,800 They went and did the marathon in the hot air balloon. 1520 01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:49,400 Hot air balloon running on clouds was the for the Nimbus. 1521 01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:51,840 So I'm seeing, I'm seeing a pattern. 1522 01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:56,200 Nike just took all their runners up in the London Eye on 1523 01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:56,840 treadmills. Yeah. 1524 01:13:57,440 --> 01:13:58,880 God. And then when I mean, they're 1525 01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:02,240 runners, like the key runners, they're main athletes. 1526 01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:06,640 The London Eye's going round and they've got they're they're 1527 01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,120 feeling them doing on treadmills in the London Eye. 1528 01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,520 I wonder whether they saw the hot air balloon. 1529 01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:13,560 I think it is trying to one up things. 1530 01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:18,160 Now so well here's what I'll say this video because it's in 1531 01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:22,760 Ingebritton the the Norwegian fella there's a few Pharaohs in 1532 01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:26,040 it. This looks sick. 1533 01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:30,120 This video looks. The video looks sick, but the 1534 01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:31,840 idea is no different to the hot air. 1535 01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,160 Balloon well, but no but. Every air balloon's more 1536 01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,240 impressive, actually. No, no way. 1537 01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:40,280 Why this looks better? Why this looks better? 1538 01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:42,040 You're up in a hot air balloon. It's kind of. 1539 01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:45,840 I think it's tacky, the hot air I. 1540 01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:49,120 Don't think it's, I don't think it's tacky, but I don't think it 1541 01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:53,400 had the impact that ASICS. Well, for me, it didn't impact 1542 01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:54,800 me the way I think. ASICS probably. 1543 01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,320 I'm, I'm, I'm guessing there's the runners that have impacted. 1544 01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:58,080 You. No, no, no. 1545 01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,760 If you just had randoms in there doing if you just had some 1546 01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:04,640 randoms in the eye running on treadmills, I won't say random. 1547 01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,240 It's like just run as you don't Maybe, maybe not the best in the 1548 01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:08,480 world. That's a big. 1549 01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:12,800 Measure, maybe, but the orange aesthetic, the running at night, 1550 01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:16,800 the way the carriages in the London Eye lit up, the fact that 1551 01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:21,160 they've lit up all of the screens in and around on the 1552 01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:25,120 riverbank of the Thames there, it's an iconic location and it 1553 01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:28,360 looks OK. So you this one, you go Nike of 1554 01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:29,640 nail. Nike of nailed it. 1555 01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:33,440 Shout out Nike. Now this one is on running OK 1556 01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:36,880 Have a listen to their latest campaign Clouds Your Clouds. 1557 01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:44,480 Hey friends. Hard. 1558 01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:49,800 Wins Alma. I'm gonna make soft for that 1559 01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:52,800 win. Feel any good for that win? 1560 01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:55,240 Ready for fun? Is that a win? 1561 01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:58,040 Don't be so hard on yourself. Yeah. 1562 01:15:58,160 --> 01:15:59,720 What do you guys? Think. 1563 01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:13,120 Running is fun with Elmo. I. 1564 01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:18,960 This is weird. I can see how this idea came 1565 01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,440 about in a boardroom. I can see how they land. 1566 01:16:21,440 --> 01:16:25,960 I can totally see how they got to where they did, but it 1567 01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:27,600 doesn't work for me. It doesn't work. 1568 01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:29,040 It doesn't. How do you think they got? 1569 01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:33,200 There oh because all right, I what Elmo's saying in there 1570 01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:36,480 about running is for everyone. Don't be so hard on yourself. 1571 01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:39,120 They're going down there, but also I love the messaging 1572 01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:42,080 they're like they want to be the every person shoe they want to 1573 01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,840 be accessible. It's about the softness of the 1574 01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:49,160 shoe, but it's also about the softness of of you as a person 1575 01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:51,960 and being OK with running. However, you I can see how they 1576 01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:56,000 go and then they go, Oh, we need what's almost a retro type of 1577 01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,320 character that'll appeal to that middle aged people these days. 1578 01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:00,440 Oh, who did everyone grow up with? 1579 01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:01,720 Elmo? Oh, yeah. 1580 01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:02,760 Cool. Elmo's soft. 1581 01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,560 Like our shoes are soft. I can see how they get there. 1582 01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,320 I can see how you get there. Doesn't work. 1583 01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:13,280 Nah, doesn't work. No, no, no, no, no. 1584 01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:15,600 Didn't work. No, didn't work. 1585 01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:18,440 Nice try, though. I'd my the I'm my the F. 1586 01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:22,840 Can you remember what was the? Was it Don Draper? 1587 01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,880 Who was the advertising? Marketing Don Don Draper in Mad 1588 01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,080 Men. Mad Men Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1589 01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:30,720 This, when I, when I saw this, I that's, that's what I kind of 1590 01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:34,480 thought about like a bad, bad agency pitch. 1591 01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:39,280 It this is an agency pitch and I would say that there's been at 1592 01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:42,680 least six or seven people involved in this pitch and 1593 01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,080 that's why it's confusing. And probably because it's 6 or 1594 01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:48,200 $7,000,000. There's not one clear thought in 1595 01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:51,160 this pitch. Yeah, which is where we're by 1596 01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:53,040 comparison. Comparison with Nike. 1597 01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:56,240 Yeah, Nike have just gone. Let's just get our best runners 1598 01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:59,720 running in in an awesome spot and make it look sick. 1599 01:17:59,960 --> 01:18:02,600 The athletes work, so it does work. 1600 01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:04,800 Because I reckon that's why you liked Nike. 1601 01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:08,080 I really like with marketing brain on. 1602 01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:11,960 I'm thinking the reason the Nike one works is because yes, it's 1603 01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:15,080 an idea, but but it's got the runners to follow through with 1604 01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:15,560 it. That's. 1605 01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,360 What so? But I only recognising the 1606 01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,560 Britson and Mo Farah in that video I didn't recognise. 1607 01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:20,920 That, but that's all you need to recognise. 1608 01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:23,040 But it's also it's a marquee runners. 1609 01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:26,400 Yeah, but then there's also it the runners aren't. 1610 01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:29,960 I would say the location and the lighting of it is the more 1611 01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:34,160 aesthetically appealing. Honestly, the runners that that 1612 01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:37,680 play a bigger part in OK anyway. OK, a quick one. 1613 01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:40,080 Hawker on this same thing. Yeah, Hawker. 1614 01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:44,520 The third space, they called it the corner store and it's pretty 1615 01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:47,000 much going. It's actually like a corner deli 1616 01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:48,480 store, like a deli the way they've made it. 1617 01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:50,800 So like it's all made cool somewhere. 1618 01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,840 Obviously in America out the back, you've got the treadmills 1619 01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:55,240 to try the shoes and everything else. 1620 01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:56,800 So they've had a go, They've had a go at it. 1621 01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:58,800 It's you. Know we're going to see more and 1622 01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:01,000 more of this. We are and I'm just now starting 1623 01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,240 to wonder like, you know, at what point is it? 1624 01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:08,440 What, what at what point does something that's on trend then 1625 01:19:08,440 --> 01:19:11,640 start to become cringe? That's that's my call on it. 1626 01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:13,480 I'm like. Well, it's, it's all about 1627 01:19:13,480 --> 01:19:15,240 execution. And this, we're seeing this a 1628 01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:17,880 little bit with the way that these different brands are 1629 01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:20,320 executing their run campaigns. It's all about execution. 1630 01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:22,280 The idea is a sound one. The idea is a good one. 1631 01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:26,400 The third space is a smart notion, as long as you can 1632 01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:28,560 execute it well. Yeah, and that's, and we'll 1633 01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,840 finish on this one because this is what I wanted to have a chat 1634 01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:33,280 about. I had it here for a few weeks 1635 01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:37,280 around if you like, if you scroll Instagram at the moment 1636 01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:40,320 with running content, have you noticed a pattern? 1637 01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:44,240 Probably more it is in both like the moving image, like the video 1638 01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:46,640 content. But if you notice the stills 1639 01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:50,400 that kind of washed out, like there's a, you know, lowest 1640 01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:53,680 shutter speeds, everything looks the same. 1641 01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:58,240 Trends are trends. Every run brand at the moment is 1642 01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:02,320 doing the same thing. It's just the photographers of 1643 01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:04,520 run brands or even the photographers who aren't for 1644 01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:06,240 like photographing for run brands. 1645 01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,440 They're all trying to follow this same style and same trend. 1646 01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:11,880 And I get it. This is what Instagram and 1647 01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:14,400 social media does. It brings it. 1648 01:20:14,440 --> 01:20:20,120 Everyone becomes a sheep. What what I'm waiting for is the 1649 01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:25,840 brand to break out of this like. I'm way too cool trend. 1650 01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:30,760 Everything I'm doing has to be, you know. 1651 01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:34,160 Why does it have to be a brand? Why can't it be an individual? 1652 01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:35,920 Well, it could be an individual and I'm sure there are. 1653 01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:38,440 There's obviously gonna be outliers and individuals out 1654 01:20:38,440 --> 01:20:40,680 there. I'm not seeing a lot of it if I 1655 01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:45,640 scroll through especially the in beginning, the in beginning 1656 01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:48,120 Instagram we got because that's very run focus. 1657 01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:50,040 So like when you, the algorithm is. 1658 01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:52,000 Just Oh yeah, what it feeds you when you're in the. 1659 01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,040 Speaking, that's running, yeah, like on my other account, on my 1660 01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:56,840 personal account, I'm getting expensive, most of my motocross 1661 01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:58,040 and a whole range of stuff on there. 1662 01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:00,360 I don't see much running on that account. 1663 01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:03,160 When I go in, it's literally just run, run, run, run. 1664 01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:05,760 And to me it I, it's very hard to differentiate. 1665 01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:07,280 That's what I'm saying. Interesting. 1666 01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:12,440 Do you know what I I because what are we 4 weeks out from 1667 01:21:12,440 --> 01:21:14,960 Kinani? Yes, Salomon, Golden Trail, 1668 01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:18,120 Kanani race down in Tassie, yes, which I'm really excited about. 1669 01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:20,320 I'm genuinely I'm starting to get quite excited about. 1670 01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:23,120 That so we're going to do a podcast, yes, down there. 1671 01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:25,240 What I want after the race is you. 1672 01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:29,280 We're going down there and can't wait to podcast. 1673 01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:32,000 I'm really excited about getting to experience seeing because I 1674 01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,240 don't think I've ever done a Salomon Trail race before. 1675 01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:36,280 You wouldn't have. So I'm really looking forward to 1676 01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:39,280 seeing how they run their events, being able to talk about 1677 01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:40,640 it with you and some of the other competitors. 1678 01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:42,440 I'm looking forward to the whole the whole experience. 1679 01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:45,600 But going back to what you're talking about with the way run 1680 01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:50,520 branding or is being presented on Instagram, I've never done 1681 01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:55,440 what you do, which is filming and and editing up sort of run 1682 01:21:55,440 --> 01:21:57,040 stuff. But I want to do it for 1683 01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:59,680 settlement. I want to set myself up so that 1684 01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:05,880 I can film my race experience and then share it after after 1685 01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:07,800 the fact because obviously going to share it on with you on the 1686 01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:10,120 podcast, but I also want to be able to share it visually. 1687 01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:13,800 So I've got to talk to you about this away from the microphones. 1688 01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:16,640 Get get some get some cameras. Well, not, but not even 1689 01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:19,000 whatever. I just like as simplistically as 1690 01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:23,240 possible because I think the other thing is often, yeah, for 1691 01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:27,760 me, simple is good and simple is authentic, manageable and simple 1692 01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:29,280 is authentic. I think if I get caught up with 1693 01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:32,200 too many things, I'll I won't do it, Yeah. 1694 01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:35,800 But if I can keep it simple, that will be the best way for me 1695 01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:40,360 to convey my experience. We can, we can sort that out, 1696 01:22:40,440 --> 01:22:41,640 but. I'll talk about that later. 1697 01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:43,640 Four weeks we next week let's talk about that. 1698 01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:46,920 Let's talk about how we're going for training and what the 1699 01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:48,840 courses. Like I'm excited because. 1700 01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:50,720 You know what? I still really haven't looked at 1701 01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:52,760 the course. That's probably something we 1702 01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:53,440 should do. Yeah. 1703 01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:57,080 And if you and if you come back and if you give it a review like 1704 01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:00,240 you gave the one in Mauritius of that's too hard, how do you 1705 01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:02,600 think I'm going to go? The well, the one thing I do 1706 01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:03,720 know, it's not going to be that hot. 1707 01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:05,600 Yeah, it's true. It is, Tazzy. 1708 01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:06,520 I'm excited. All right. 1709 01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:11,000 Hey, so good. Look, we're 24 EPS in. 1710 01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:12,920 I'm still loving talking running. 1711 01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:15,200 I'm not going to get sick. This is amazing. 1712 01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:16,920 I'm having so much fun talking about this. 1713 01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:20,560 It the more and more people I keep meeting and interacting 1714 01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:22,240 with the tell me they're listening to this. 1715 01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:24,400 This is great, Courtney. I hope you're still enjoying it, 1716 01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:26,240 mate. Oh, absolutely, because it's a 1717 01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:28,920 lot of fun. And for those of you interested, 1718 01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:31,240 we're only 18 weeks out from the Golden Marathon. 1719 01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:35,960 It's coming up quick, mate. It is coming up. 1720 01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:39,560 Quick, we better get our ducks in a row and have some news 1721 01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:40,320 soon. Yeah. 1722 01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:41,880 All right. See you next week. 1723 01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:42,480 See you next week.